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| JohnFlux | Hey all | 03:55 |
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| JohnFlux | to any developers.. could you include a package with the header files etc? | 03:56 |
| JohnFlux | it's currently impossible to write a program that queries upstart etc | 03:56 |
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| === Topic for #upstart: Upstart 0.3.9 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2007-October/000468.html | ||
| === Topic (#upstart): set by Keybuk at Thu Oct 11 23:46:59 2007 | ||
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| soren | JohnFlux: Huh? How do you figure that? | 08:52 |
| JohnFlux | soren: ah hey! | 09:03 |
| JohnFlux | soren: I have ubuntu | 09:04 |
| JohnFlux | soren: If I look at what packages there are, there's no libupstart of libupstart-dev etc | 09:04 |
| soren | JohnFlux: Why do you need them? | 09:05 |
| JohnFlux | soren: if I look at the files that come with it just "upstart" there's no libraries nor header files | 09:05 |
| JohnFlux | soren: so that I can make a gui for upstart | 09:05 |
| soren | JohnFlux: Er.. | 09:05 |
| soren | JohnFlux: You don't need header files or libraries to do anything like that. | 09:06 |
| JohnFlux | soren: in particular, I want to be able to get a list of running services, for example | 09:06 |
| soren | status | 09:06 |
| JohnFlux | I'd much prefer a library to trying to parse the output of programs :/ | 09:07 |
| soren | Sorry, I meant "initctl list". | 09:07 |
| === JohnFlux nods | ||
| JohnFlux | soren: so how about? a libupstart ? :) | 09:09 |
| soren | There's no such thing. You can try convincing Keybuk that it'd be useful and you might get lucky :) | 09:10 |
| JohnFlux | he's comes in here right? | 09:10 |
| JohnFlux | I'll give that a shot thanks | 09:10 |
| soren | Yeah, he'll be around in an hour or so, I'd guess. | 09:10 |
| JohnFlux | btw I'm the maintainer of the kde "task manager" type thinig | 09:10 |
| JohnFlux | thing | 09:11 |
| JohnFlux | just looking to use upstart info to improve the info of what's shown | 09:11 |
| Jc2k | JohnFlux: i think libupstart is about to be killed off | 10:06 |
| Jc2k | see the mailing list post that the topic refers to | 10:06 |
| Jc2k | "libupstart goes away, which nobody else is using anyway." | 10:06 |
| Jc2k | instead there will be dbus aplenty | 10:09 |
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| === Keybuk amuses at the upcoming feature list for Bazaar | ||
| Keybuk | "Pack-based repositories" | 01:42 |
| Keybuk | THE RAPTORS ARE COMING! | 01:42 |
| === soren wonders if Ubuntu 13.04 will be the rowdy raptor release. | ||
| Keybuk | ravenous raptor | 01:47 |
| soren | Good one. | 01:48 |
| Keybuk | I need a brain-to-tomboy sync plugin | 01:50 |
| Keybuk | so when I think of neat code changes in bed, I don't need to have to try and remember them in the morning | 01:51 |
| soren | Any reasonable person would suggest some sort of intermediate storage like a piece of paper, but I haven't managed to implement that either. | 01:53 |
| soren | Althought it is a bit alarming to imagine how many good ideas have just vanished because I haven't bothered to write them down before falling asleep. | 01:53 |
| Keybuk | aye | 01:54 |
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| JohnFlux | Jc2k: nobody is using it because it's impossible to use | 02:44 |
| JohnFlux | Jc2k: it's not actually shipped | 02:44 |
| JohnFlux | Jc2k: I've been wanting to use it for ages | 02:44 |
| JohnFlux | Jc2k: I asked on the mailing list about it like 6 months ago | 02:44 |
| JohnFlux | Jc2k: it will be a shame if it's just killed off | 02:45 |
| Jc2k | why? isnt libupstart mostly about ipc? which will be handled via dbus, and thus *easily* accessible? | 02:46 |
| Keybuk | it's entirely about IPC | 02:49 |
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| Jc2k | so therefore JohnFlux has nothing to fear by libupstart death, in fact has much to gain from it. | 02:50 |
| Keybuk | he won't have to rewrite his front-end with every minor release, for a start ;) | 02:51 |
| JohnFlux | actually that does sound good | 02:52 |
| Keybuk | JohnFlux: libupstart has never been a stable API | 02:52 |
| Keybuk | initctl uses it, but that's it | 02:52 |
| JohnFlux | how far along is it btw? | 02:53 |
| JohnFlux | the dcop thing | 02:53 |
| Keybuk | ? | 02:53 |
| Keybuk | how far along is what? | 02:54 |
| Jc2k | s/dcop/dbus/ | 02:54 |
| JohnFlux | right hehe | 02:54 |
| JohnFlux | Does it offer a dbus service at the moment? | 02:54 |
| Jc2k | Keybuk: how long till 0.5 basically | 02:54 |
| Keybuk | no | 02:54 |
| Keybuk | far along = not even started | 02:54 |
| JohnFlux | heh | 02:54 |
| JohnFlux | fair enough | 02:54 |
| JohnFlux | do any other distros use upstart btw? | 02:55 |
| JohnFlux | or just ubuntu? | 02:55 |
| Keybuk | just ubuntu at the moment | 02:56 |
| Keybuk | I've made a few commits to Upstart in the last few days | 04:53 |
| Keybuk | and lots to libnih :p | 04:53 |
| Keybuk | so I'm at least starting on the roadmap to 0.5 | 04:53 |
| Jc2k | \o/ | 04:54 |
| Jc2k | oh | 04:54 |
| Jc2k | questionage | 04:54 |
| Jc2k | can upstart be forced to run as a slave of "old" init? | 04:55 |
| === Jc2k is thinking of a less 'controversial' migration path and can't spell | ||
| soren | Having two init implementations running side by side is hardly less controversial than what Ubuntu currently does? | 04:56 |
| Jc2k | if something depended on upstart and upstart could be installed without ripping the heart out of your distrothen it would be a lot more viable | 04:59 |
| Jc2k | *shrugs* | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | the problem with being a slave is that it isn't init | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | so doesn't get afforded init's special privileges | 05:01 |
| Jc2k | bleh | 05:01 |
| === Jc2k kicks unix | ||
| soren | Jc2k: You should know that UNIX kicks harder. :) | 05:01 |
| Jc2k | :) | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | you could write an upstart parser for inittab :) | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | then it could just be a drop-in replacement for sysvinit | 05:02 |
| Keybuk | on trunk, that should be quite easy | 05:02 |
| Jc2k | interesting | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | inittab would be a ConfSource, register jobs with useful names like "inittab/$id", etc. | 05:05 |
| Keybuk | certainly upstart supports a superset of inittab's features | 05:05 |
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| === Topic for #upstart: Upstart 0.3.9 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2007-October/000468.html | ||
| === Topic (#upstart): set by Keybuk at Thu Oct 11 23:46:59 2007 | ||
| ion_ | :-) | 09:32 |
| Keybuk | now, of course, I have to work around the ways I was attempting to work around the lack of something I've now implemented | 09:47 |
| Keybuk | yay, ok init builds again | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | now for the tests | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | ==13312== Address 0x1C is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | that would be bad, then | 11:09 |
| === Keybuk is having strange valgrind bugs | ||
| Keybuk | ==32728== Invalid write of size 4 | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== at 0x8093F89: nih_list_cut (list.c:202) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x809405D: nih_list_destroy (list.c:246) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x8092C09: nih_free (alloc.c:330) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x8092C34: nih_free (alloc.c:336) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x808D243: parse_job (parse_job.c:278) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x805DF5B: test_stanza_start (test_parse_job.c:2185) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== by 0x8087030: main (test_parse_job.c:7303) | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | ==32728== Address 0xBEEFA174 is just below the stack ptr. To suppress, use: --workaround-gcc296-bugs=yes | 12:23 |
| Keybuk | oh I see | 12:41 |
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