[01:25] <Zambezi> Mark7: Working better now?
[01:26] <Mark7> Yeah
[01:26] <Zambezi> gnomefreak: works fine for me. At least is better than the repos in Feisty.
[01:26] <Zambezi> Mark7: Wasn't that hard after all right? ;-)
[01:26] <Mark7> I just hope I never need to contact the service provider
[01:26] <Mark7> I had to sign up with one in Czech
[01:30] <Mark7> WHat's the complete irc address for ubuntu?
[01:30] <U`> irc.ubuntu.com i guess
[01:31] <Mark7> Tried that
[01:31] <U`> doesn't work ?
[01:31] <Mark7> I wish someone I knew would log into their IM account so I could see if it worked
[01:31] <h3lloWorld> .org or dot net?
[01:33] <U`> type /links   you can get the address ...
[01:34] <Mark7> The main page says it's a .com
[01:35] <U`> sorry i ddn't understand your question but what i tried to tell you ..that im connectin here usin irc.ubuntu.com
[01:36] <Mark7> Do you know how to connect via Gajim?
[01:36] <U`> nah sorry
[01:39] <Mark7> Maybe I have to sign out of here first
[02:12] <HelloMeow> I have a problem.
[02:12] <HelloMeow> My computer seems to crash at random intervals whenever I idle.
[02:13] <HelloMeow> Also, programs themselves slowdown to the point of not working, and I have to pkill them.
[02:13] <HelloMeow> Just now, Amarok would not start working and so I had to restart my computer.
[02:14] <HelloMeow> The toolbars on my desktop aren't even there anymore, the only reason I am on xchat is because I have it set to start up as soon as the computer boots.
[02:15] <HelloMeow> It is getting really annoying to have to restart my computer every other day, is there anything you guys know that might be giving me all of these difficulties using xubuntu?
[02:16] <Lawliet> Sorry, this is HelloMeow.
[02:16] <Lawliet> Do any of you guys have any information that can help me/A
[02:35] <DARKGuy> hey guys, is there a reason why everytime I put a CD/DVD in my drive, a directory with the CD/DVD's label is created instead of being mounted in /media/cdrom (or /media/cdrom0) but instead in /media/MYCDLABEL - is there a way to revert it to the original behaviour?
[02:58] <uriahheep> hey
[02:59] <uriahheep> does the xubuntu desktop cd use squashfs-lzma?
[03:54] <The-Kernel> is there a program that I can use the utilizes digital cameras?
[04:06] <magic_ninja> The-Kernel: gphoto2
[04:07] <magic_ninja> The-Kernel: http://www.gphoto.org/
[04:11] <The-Kernel> omg
[04:11] <The-Kernel> I did mv * .JPG to Pictures/
[04:11] <The-Kernel> and my entire /home/user/ dir disappeared!
[04:11] <The-Kernel> but it's back now
[09:37] <nessmuk> i'm just installing Xubuntu 7.04 on a Pll and wondering if the update manager will update to 7.10 when it goes gold?
[09:38] <nessmuk> or does one need to use the cd of 7.10 to upgrade?
[09:46] <d1n0> interesting question
[09:46] <d1n0> i would think so
[09:46] <d1n0> but lets here with the pros
[10:52] <Pixilarion> I have a small but rather annoying problem: under Edgy I created launchers for a few scripts I use a lot and placed them in a panel. Yesterday I upgraded to Gutsy and for some reason do open in the terminal, like they should, but they don't get executed: I'm only placed inside the directory of the script
[10:52] <Pixilarion> anyone got a clue what I'm doing wrong?
[10:53] <Pixilarion> actually I did not distupgrade, but did a clean install of Gutsy
[11:47] <aptanet> what file does xubuntu use for the autostart applets on the panel?
[11:50] <aptanet> I've started getting an extra icon in the panel for nm-applet each time I restart
[11:58] <Pixilarion> aptanet: you can configure what is started at startup trough the "autostarted applications"
[11:58] <Pixilarion> somewhere in your systempreferences
[11:59] <Pixilarion> Network Manager is one of them
[12:05] <aptanet> I can, and have done, but for some reason it needs fixing
[12:05] <aptanet> network manager wasn't originally there so I added it manually
[12:06] <aptanet> now I have 4 applets running on the panel, and if I reboot I'll have 5
[12:08] <aptanet> the only entry I've found in a file so far is /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop
[12:08] <aptanet> that is still there now I've deleted it in the autostart applications
[12:08] <aptanet> and it has the line OnlyShowIn=GNOME;
[12:12] <TheSheep> aptanet: remove ~/.cache/sessions
[12:13] <aptanet> aha, found a ubuntu bug report now I've searched on the file and path I've found
[12:16] <aptanet> TheSheep: solves the immediate problem, but not the long term issue
[12:16] <aptanet> but thanks anyway, useful location to know, I've not needed to look at that before :)
[12:17] <TheSheep> aptanet: I know that nm-applet was added to gutsy recently, are you running gutsy?
[12:17] <aptanet> no, I've been holding off until release
[12:18] <aptanet> I'm usually quite happy to test out, but not really having the time at the moment, so sticking to final releases
[12:18] <aptanet> ironic really since I'm debugging at the moment!
[12:27] <TheSheep> aptanet: make sure you disable the 'save session' checkbox when logging out
[12:29] <aptanet> yes, I was just reading up on a bit and thinking that. I usually enable it by default, but will try a reboot without and then again with
[12:29] <aptanet> I've just killed all but one instance
[12:30] <aptanet> I think I'm going to amend the nm-applet.desktop file to OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;
[12:30] <aptanet> then kill the remaining applet and reboot
[12:31] <aptanet> I may have got to xubuntu in an odd way, although I don't think it is related
[12:32] <malawi13>  salut a tous
[12:33] <aptanet> hmm, just found another copy of that file in ~/.config/autostart/
[12:33] <aptanet> my grep didn't find that - didn't search . direcotries I guess - doh!
[12:43] <aptanet> aha, the one off ~/ is the one I created and is disabled - as is the tray.py.desktop that was wicd that I played with
[12:43] <aptanet> it is beginning to make sense
[12:45] <totalwormface> hehe
[12:46] <aptanet> now I've amended the ShowOnlyIn line the nm-applet configured in the /etc shows up in Autostarted applications, which it wasn't before
[12:47] <Pixilarion> ok, since everybody is getting up: anyone got a solution to my problem with the launchers for scripts?
[12:47] <aptanet> time for a reboot now, fingers crossed
[12:48] <Pixilarion> good luck ;)
[01:42] <aptanet> phew, I think I'm in control of nm-applet now!
[02:10] <mikubuntu> help.  just downloaded adobe flash player to my desktop as a tar.gz file.  can someone please walk me thru the unpackaging process?  i have a terminal open and ready if someone can help.... :)
[02:17] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: install it from the repository instead
[02:18] <soweto76> TheSheep, In what repository is that found?
[02:24] <TheSheep> !info falshplugin-nonfree
[02:24] <ubotu> Package falshplugin-nonfree does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:24] <TheSheep> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[02:24] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[02:25] <soweto76> TheSheep, Thanks.
[02:27] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: so where do i look for it, in the synaptic package mgr?
[02:28] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: did i read some where that gutsy upgrade will be including gnash by default?
[02:34] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: no idea, mine has flash player
[02:39] <Pixilarion> mine too
[02:39] <Pixilarion> mikubuntu: if you really want to install with your downloaded version, just let me know
[02:39] <Pixilarion> I walk you through :)
[02:48] <Pixilarion> weird, the soudn quality in Skype 1.3 is better than in 1.4
[02:54] <junkeR> hey, when I login into 7.10 Xubuntu, the screen goes to an orange color for a few seconds... anyway to stop it from doing that?
[03:13] <Keitherz> is xubuntu almost the same with ubuntu
[03:13] <Keitherz> is only the Xfce interface is the difference
[03:14] <vsouzajunior> Hi, Keitherz! I've just installed and using Xubuntu. It's lighter than Ubuntu
[03:14] <Keitherz> ok how is it
[03:14] <Keitherz> whats your memory
[03:14] <vsouzajunior> 256MB
[03:15] <Keitherz> my problem is i only have 256
[03:15] <vsouzajunior> It's running quite well
[03:15] <Keitherz> i want ubuntu well its the same package right
[03:16] <vsouzajunior> it's better to install a lightweight system, like xubuntu and afterwards install what you need
[03:16] <vsouzajunior> to install more stuff you can use synaptic
[03:17] <junkeR> hey, when I login into 7.10 Xubuntu, the screen goes to an orange color for a few seconds... anyway to stop it from doing that?
[03:17] <Keitherz> whats that
[03:18] <vsouzajunior> Synaptic is a package manager
[03:18] <vsouzajunior> It has a list of the programs available on the repositories
[03:19] <Keitherz> darn i want compiz-fuzion
[03:19] <Keitherz> ill just wait 3 days
[03:19] <Keitherz> so i dont need to upgrade
[03:20] <Keitherz> ill wait for gusty gibbon
[03:20] <Keitherz> wait
[03:20] <Keitherz> is gusty is out of beta and release officially do you still need to upgrade it
[03:21] <vsouzajunior> I don't know.
[03:22] <Keitherz> do you have xp installed there
[03:23] <vsouzajunior> yes. in another partition
[03:24] <Keitherz> how to dual boot
[03:24] <Keitherz> do you use GRUB
[03:25] <Keitherz> does the install cd have grub
[03:26] <vsouzajunior> I installed xubuntu from the alternate install cd. by using it you can manage the partitions. I uses Grub
[03:26] <vsouzajunior> yes. the intall cd installs and configures Grub
[03:27] <vsouzajunior> Sorry, I've got to quit.
[03:27] <Keitherz> bye
[03:27] <vsouzajunior> bye
[03:43] <Pixilarion> junkeR: I have that problem too, don't know why it happens
[04:01] <Jester45> has gusty been released?
[04:01] <nanonyme> not yet
[04:01] <nanonyme> !gutsy
[04:01] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[04:01] <Jester45> why is there so much gnome in it
[04:02] <nanonyme> there is?
[04:02] <nanonyme> i hadn't noticed
[04:02] <Jester45> i tried it out and cant stand it i would go for feisty but its gonna be old soon and thats not good for desktops
[04:02] <Jester45> so imight go debian but i never really liked how much your had to config it
[04:03] <nanonyme> hardy is probably going to be something extremely nice
[04:03] <Jester45> so right now im using win2k so i can get my games
[04:03] <nanonyme> heh
[04:04] <nanonyme> tried wine?
[04:04] <nanonyme> that is, the current versions of it
[04:04] <Jester45> i might
[04:04] <Jester45> depends on if CnC renegade and Knight online works
[04:05] <nanonyme> http://appdb.winehq.org/ ;)
[04:05] <Jester45> yea i know im in class right now
[04:06] <Jester45> i trued wine before on a game but it didnt work so good
[04:06] <Jester45> its really slow copying files
[04:07] <nanonyme> renegade is marked as silver and knight online as garbage
[04:07] <nanonyme> so i guess you have little luck there
[04:07] <Jester45> is this for any version or just ubuntu/debian
[04:07] <nanonyme> any version
[04:07] <nanonyme> the only choice really is windows
[04:07] <Jester45> humm
[04:08] <Jester45> knight online is so fun
[04:08] <Jester45> garbage is no installable right
[04:08] <nanonyme> erm, actually people have set "installs, doesn't run"
[04:08] <Jester45> o
[04:09] <nanonyme> apparently it fails the install
[04:09] <nanonyme> erm
[04:09] <nanonyme> update i mean
[04:09] <Jester45> man my ping time so long... im going though 4 ssh server
[04:09] <Jester45> o
[04:09] <Jester45> well you have to use that on the game
[04:10] <nanonyme> i wonder why no bug report hasn't been done
[04:10] <nanonyme> there's obviously a bug in wine considering knight online
[04:11] <Jester45> those are my 2 normal games i couldnt live without
[04:11] <garotasapo> Hi. xfce4-panel is taking 99% of CPU. I tried removing everything from it but it keeps glitching. xubuntu is up to date. does somebody have any clue to fix it?
[04:15] <Jester45> you could search for a bug
[04:15] <Jester45> !bugs
[04:15] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:15] <garotasapo> I'd better search for a fix heheh :P
[04:15] <Jester45> have you tried kkilling it and restarting it
[04:15] <garotasapo> yes. no success
[04:15] <Jester45> well if the bug is fixed it will show how to fix it
[04:15] <garotasapo> I was just kidding.
[04:15] <Jester45> or if it has been put in the repo will should say fixed,released or something
[04:38] <mikubuntu> Pixilarion: thanks, sorry i was away from the computer, i think the package was ihnstalled through synaptic; maybe i can take you up on your offer in the future? :)
[04:40] <Pixilarion> mikubuntu: no problem
[04:40] <Pixilarion> if you open firefox and type "about:plugins"
[04:40] <Pixilarion> flash should be listed there
[06:27] <mikubuntu> anybody know why my cursor sometimes goes black?
[06:37] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: I think that some applications can force a mouse cursor when it is over them, and the default X cursro is black...
[06:41] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: i notice that sometimes when the cursor is black, some addons don't operate properly, like 'back to top' in firefox.
[09:14] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) alnokta: try du -sk -- * | sort -n
[09:14] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) szyszeja: I've found a thread about similar problems on ubuntu forums
[09:15] (alnokta/#xubuntu) TheSheep, yes works, thanks
[09:15] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) szyszeja: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5651.html
[09:15] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) alnokta: you must have a file with name starting from -
[09:15] (TheSheep/#xubuntu) s/from/with
[09:16] <TheSheep> szyszeja: you can try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:16] <TheSheep> szyszeja: and try various options
[09:17] <alnokta> TheSheep, so adding -- escapes it?
[09:17] <TheSheep> szyszeja: also , you can try pressing alt+ctrl+gray + when in X
[09:18] <TheSheep> alnokta: yes, -- means "no more options, only file names follow"
[09:19] <alnokta> ah good
[09:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: but many script writers forget about that, so having a file with name starting with - is asking for trouble
[09:19] <TheSheep> alnokta: especially if it's "-delete"
[09:21] <alnokta> ah
[09:21] <alnokta> i will remember that
[09:21] <alnokta> so it works with another commands as well?
[09:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: programs can't really say whether the name comes from a * or you typed it
[09:22] <TheSheep> alnokta: all they get is the string
[09:22] <alnokta> poor things :P
[09:23] <TheSheep> one of the more annoying gotchas
[09:26] <rici> http://www.xkcd.com/327/
[09:27] <TheSheep> rici: old. also, ot
[09:28] <rici> oops, wrong window.
[09:28] <rici> sorry
[09:29] <TheSheep> :)
[09:29] <rici> it was on topic where it was supposed to go, honest. :)
[09:29] <alnokta> it is good . thanks :)
[10:34] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: how do you use at?
[10:35] <R[a] ndom> man at?
[10:35] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: many questions are still open :)
[10:35] <R[a] ndom> such as?
[10:36] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: would that be correct:   sudo at -c poweroff 12:00   ?
[10:36] <R[a] ndom> never used at myself, but it looks like it
[10:37] <R[a] ndom> unknown jobid
[10:37] <hyper__ch>        at [-V]  [-q queue]  [-f file]  [-mldbv]  TIME
[10:37] <hyper__ch>        at -c job [job...] 
[10:37] <hyper__ch> that's the synopsis
[10:37] <R[a] ndom> yeah I have the man page open
[10:38] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: that's one man page that doesn't help much
[10:38] <R[a] ndom> oh do you only have those 2 lines?
[10:38] <R[a] ndom> mine is a couple pages..
[10:38] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: I have it all
[10:38] <R[a] ndom> it helps, we just havent figured it out yet.
[10:38] <eim> Hello folks, is there any way (yaboot args) to install xubuntu Feisty on PowerPC without the gui (just via ncurses installer)? Thanks.
[10:38] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: but its still not much help
[10:38] <R[a] ndom> im sure theres something we missed
[10:38] <R[a] ndom> its about critical reading :P
[10:39] <hyper__ch> a full example of how to add a job would be good
[10:39] <R[a] ndom> yeah I prefer them to have examples
[10:41] <R[a] ndom> its also impossible to google for help
[10:42] <hyper__ch> I guess I got it
[10:43] <R[a] ndom> yeah?
[10:43] <R[a] ndom> all I figured out is that your -c is the wrong option
[10:43] <R[a] ndom> heh
[10:43] <R[a] ndom> I can enter at, and then have it ask me for the commands
[10:44] <R[a] ndom> but I cant figure a way to do it in one line
[10:44] <hyper__ch> I created a file:  poweroff
[10:44] <hyper__ch> with the content poweroff
[10:44] <hyper__ch> and then I did
[10:44] <hyper__ch> sudo at -f poweroff 12:00
[10:44] <hyper__ch> that worked
[10:44] <R[a] ndom> ah yeah, i thought of that approach too
[10:45] <hyper__ch> but there must be a way to enter the command from the cli
[10:45] <R[a] ndom> but there must be a way to do it on one line :)
[10:45] <hyper__ch> and not through a file
[10:45] <hyper__ch> ;)
[10:45] <R[a] ndom> ah well
[10:48] <hyper__ch>   at and batch read commands from standard input or a specified file
[10:48] <hyper__ch> but how to read it from standard input
[10:51] <pequatre> hi
[10:52] <pequatre> anyone knows how to remove network-manager without removing the whole xubuntu system ? an "aptitude remove network-manager" says that xubuntu-desktop needs to be removed as well...
[10:52] <pequatre> btw i'm on gutsy
[10:56] <zoredache> removing xubuntu-desktop won't remove the entire system
[10:56] <zoredache> it is just a 'task' package.  It is just there to make sure everything gets installed, and upgraded correctly
[10:57] <pequatre> zoredache, i wouldn't be so sure...are you ?
[10:58] <zoredache> if you want to keep xubuntu-desktop, but remove the network-manager package, I believe you could also use build-equivs
[10:58] <zoredache> well lets say it this way.  I am 99% sure that xubuntu-desktop is a task package on feisty
[10:58] <pequatre> well i'm on gutsy
[10:58] <zoredache> I am less certain about gutsy because I haven't actually used it,  but I am still pretty sure
[10:58] <zoredache> in the 90-95% range
[10:59] <pequatre> well im must be in the 5% range then :)
[10:59] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: echo "poweroff" | at 12:00   --> thats how to do it
[10:59] <R[a] ndom> haha
[10:59] <zoredache> it would be easy enough to test... simply do an apt-get source on the package, and look at what is in there
[10:59] <R[a] ndom> I thought of that, but didnt even think it was worth trying
[10:59] <R[a] ndom> that makes sense though
[11:00] <zoredache> I best it is just a control file and a few docs
[11:00] <zoredache> I bet*
[11:00] <pequatre> zoredache, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40730/ ("enlever"  means to remove)
[11:00] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: now we know
[11:01] <pequatre> well it seems i'm stuck with nm. i'll try and prevent it from loading.
[11:02] <zoredache> what do you get, if you just do an 'apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop'?
[11:02] <pequatre> zoredache, what i've pasted
[11:03] <pequatre> maybe i should try and use apt-get instead of aptitude ?
[11:03] <hyper__ch> pequatre: remove those packages and then add them again.. that shouldn't be a problem
[11:03] <zoredache> ah... Unfortunatly I can't read most of of the messages
[11:03] <pequatre> hyper__ch, there are 250 MB of packages
[11:03] <zoredache> I believe aptitude would do the autoremove thing for you automatically, apt-get doesn't?  I am not entirely sure
[11:03] <hyper__ch> pequatre: where's the problem?
[11:04] <pequatre> zoredache, yes aptitude says (translated) "those packages are not usefull anymore and thus will be removed"
[11:04] <pequatre> hyper__ch, well that would remove xubuntu from my pc !
[11:05] <hyper__ch> pequatre: thats why I say to make a copy of those packages to reinstall them again
[11:05] <zoredache> hyper__ch: pequatre> anyone knows how to remove network-manager without removing the whole xubuntu system ? an "aptitude remove network-manager" says that xubuntu-desktop needs to be removed as well...
[11:05] <zoredache> hrm...
[11:06] <hyper__ch> zoredache: obviously network-manager is part of the xubuntu-desktop package... but you can re-install the singel packages agan
[11:06] <zoredache> there is a way to mark the packages so aptitude doesn't think there where installed automatically...  If you did that on everything, then it shouldn't try and get rid of them...
[11:06] <pequatre> ok. i think i'll just remove nm from the lists of applications that start automatically. the app itself will remain on my hdd but oh well
[11:08] <pequatre> on another topic: do you guys use gutsy and if so, does the "network monitor applet" works ? mine won't be added to the bar also i chose to "add it to the taskbar"...bug ?
[11:09] <hyper__ch> I don't
[11:10] <pequatre> k. i suppose it's a bug. most other applets work (the system load monitor won't work either)
[11:13] <pequatre> k. thx for the support. cheers
[11:13] <hyper__ch> gutsy is still rc - you update everyday?
[11:13] <pequatre> hyper__ch, maybe i should ?
 how can make a user which could play in their home directory only?
[11:14] <alnokta> and cannot browse the rest of the hd
[11:14] <hyper__ch> pequatre: I'd recommend so
[11:14] <hyper__ch> alnokta: local user access or remote one?
[11:14] <pequatre> hyper__ch, ok i'll try that.
[11:15] <alnokta> hyper__ch, i created a user and they logged through ssh
[11:15] <hyper__ch> alnokta: ah, that's simple
[11:15] <alnokta> hyper__ch, how?
[11:16] <hyper__ch> alnokta: ssh or sftp?
[11:16] <alnokta> hyper__ch, ssh
[11:16] <hyper__ch> alnokta: google for restricted shell
[11:17] <hyper__ch> alnokta: or you could try that... but I haven't checked that with pure shell access:  http://www.howtoforge.com/mysecureshell_sftp_debian_etch
[11:18] <hyper__ch> pequatre: how many updates?
[11:18] <pequatre> hyper__ch, 19
[11:18] <hyper__ch> only?
[11:18] <pequatre> using "update-manager -d"
[11:19] <hyper__ch> pequatre: sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[11:19] <pequatre> hyper__ch, i mean right now i'm updating agian
[11:19] <hyper__ch> that's how I do it ;)
[11:19] <pequatre> that's the same using the update-manager right ?
[11:20] <hyper__ch> not sure... been a long time since I used a gui to install/update anything
[11:20] <pequatre> hyper__ch, when i upgraded to gusty yeah there was more like 400MB of packets
[11:21] <hyper__ch> i'll do a clean install on the 18th... it's time again to do that
[11:21] <hyper__ch> but first I'll check how gutsy handles my encrypted drives
[11:32] <archoniam> Ello.
[11:33] <totalwormface> HELLO ARCHONIAM
[11:33] <archoniam> Caps wont go off?
[11:33] <totalwormface> IT WONT
[11:33] <totalwormface> STORY OF MY LIFE
[11:33] <archoniam> egh
[11:34] <archoniam> hate that,well if ur up to it restart your compy
[11:34] <archoniam> that fixes it most my time
[11:34] <totalwormface> MOST OF THE TIME YES
[11:34] <totalwormface> BUT THIS IS A CURSE
[11:35] <archoniam> wow, you need a quick reformat
[11:35] <totalwormface> nah :P
[11:35] <archoniam> lol
[11:35] <archoniam> did it finally go off?
[11:36] <totalwormface> no, i'm just boing drunk
[11:36] <totalwormface> boing!
[11:36] <hyper__ch> !shout | totalwormface
[11:36] <ubotu> totalwormface: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[11:36] <archoniam> lol
[11:36] <archoniam> ah good old ubotu
[11:37] <archoniam> been a little while since ive used ubuntu but i wanted to try the new 7.10 RC
[11:38] <alnokta> hyper__ch, is there a file listing user permissions?
[11:39] <hyper__ch> alnokta: what do you mean?
[11:39] <archoniam> Like the sudoers file, alnokta? Or maybe the /etc/shadow or some like that?
[11:40] <alnokta> i mean, what the utility of users edit
[11:40] <alnokta> what files it edits
[11:40] <hyper__ch> alnokta:  /etc/passwd
[11:40] <archoniam> ah yep /etc/passwd
[11:40] <alnokta> ah thanks
[11:41] <hyper__ch> alnokta: np
[11:41] <archoniam> woo, it worked! i got VBox running and i got windows and linux dual booted... without really dual-booting linux and windows...
[11:42] <archoniam> so now what? lol
[11:42] <hyper__ch> archoniam: not quite... no 3d support in VMs
[11:42] <archoniam> ew *bleargh*
[11:43] <archoniam> well im just a lousy little hacker so no real damage
[11:44] <hyper__ch> I'm no hacker at all
[11:44] <archoniam> dont need 3d much just pivot stickfigure animator, etc.
[11:44] <archoniam> heh, i haxed my ipod to use podzilla2
[11:44] <archoniam> as main os in it (myehehe)
[11:44] <hyper__ch> hacked? or firmware replacement?
[11:45] <archoniam> haxed. appleos is still on it but yno you cant access it
[11:45] <hyper__ch> ok..  I have no ipdo
[11:45] <hyper__ch> ipod
[11:45] <archoniam> that sucks
[11:45] <hyper__ch> why?
[11:46] <archoniam> i need my ipod for music self-stability tho you might not be a music person
[11:46] <hyper__ch> my two Technics SL-1210 MK2 tell differently
[11:47] <archoniam> hehe... wait wats dat again? lol
[11:47] <hyper__ch> tools that make you feel the musc ;)
[11:47] <archoniam> ahh
[11:47] <archoniam> so what do you think 7.10 is gonna be for its official release
[11:48] <archoniam> be like*
[11:48] <hyper__ch> no clue
[11:48] <hyper__ch> I'll see in a few days
[11:49] <archoniam> well i have the RC and its kool, got a few nice anis added, restricted drivers notification, its kool
[11:49] <hyper__ch> good
[11:49] <hyper__ch> I'll do a clean install... it's time again
[11:50] <archoniam> agh it would be easier if you just upgraded
[11:50] <archoniam> Ello Wyrd. What's your question? if you have one?
[11:51] <hyper__ch> archoniam: why would that be easier?
[11:51] <archoniam> um well you wouldn't have to backup all your files and stuff hyper__ch
[11:51] <archoniam> And if you use kubuntu they have it easy
[11:51] <hyper__ch> archoniam: I already have a incremental snapshot-style backup every 6h
[11:52] <archoniam> =O wtf is that?
[11:52] <hyper__ch> archoniam: why not? don't you do regulare backups?
[11:52] <archoniam> i dunno how to =P
[11:53] <hyper__ch> archoniam: there are multiple way.... I use rsync and hardlinks
[11:53] <archoniam> And what's the easiest way then?
[11:53] <archoniam> lol, well that just gave me a reason to come into the chatroom XD
[11:54] <archoniam> well, ima google it first =D
[11:54] <hyper__ch> depends...
[11:55] <hyper__ch> archoniam: http://www.howtoforge.com/rsync_incremental_snapshot_backups
[11:55] <hyper__ch> archoniam: just skip the ssh part if you don't backup to a remote location as I do
[11:55] <archoniam> alright then
[11:55] <archoniam> thanks
[11:56] <hyper__ch> and backup to another harddisk or - if possible - to another computer
[11:56] <hyper__ch> best would be to another, remote computer ;)
[11:57] <hyper__ch> and if you don't use mysql, you can also skip that ;)
[11:58] <archoniam> Question, hyper__ch: I don't have a file server. How am i going to do this?
[11:58] <hyper__ch> archoniam: well, where do you want to make backups to?
[11:58] <archoniam> uhh, lol, i can never be sure
[11:59] <hyper__ch> in that case the whole script is useless...
[11:59] <archoniam> will all the files i need ta back up fit in a 4GB flash drive?
[12:00] <hyper__ch> depends on what you want to backup ;)
[12:00] <hyper__ch> if you try to backup 12gb files you have a problem
[12:00] <hyper__ch> and is the flash drive fat32?
[12:00] <archoniam> I'm not sure, let me fdisk it
[12:01] <archoniam> W95 FAT32. Yep. But, i'll format it to linux or sum if i need to =D
[12:02] <hyper__ch> well, the hardlinking does not work on fat32... this means no incremental backups
[12:02] <hyper__ch> however you still can use rsync to do backups once in a while
[12:02] <archoniam> and what are incremental backups?
[12:03] <hyper__ch> incremental means only altered files will be newly transferred
[12:03] <hyper__ch> and with hardlinks you can have snapshots
[12:03] <hyper__ch> meaning at any given backup point you ahve a full backup of that time
[12:03] <hyper__ch> and I do that every 6h back for 90 days
[12:03] <R[a] ndom> 6 hours?
[12:03] <R[a] ndom> wow
[12:03] <hyper__ch> yeah
[12:04] <archoniam> okay kool. Can i set it up with some kinda GUI?
[12:04] <R[a] ndom> you ever get stuff from 72 hours ago?
[12:04] <R[a] ndom> when 66 hours ago wouldn't do?
[12:04] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: ???
[12:04] <archoniam> hold on lemme format to linux.
[12:04] <hyper__ch> archoniam: let be to fat32
[12:04] <R[a] ndom> just seems pretty often to be running incremental backups and saving all of them
[12:05] <R[a] ndom> not that I'm saying you shouldnt. was just curious if you used it. heh
[12:05] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: was not too bad when I was writing my master thesis
[12:05] <hyper__ch> R[a] ndom: so I had tons of backups
[12:05] <wyrd> i used subverion for my diss
[12:05] <archoniam> no i think i want an incremental snapshot so i need to format to linux-type?
[12:06] <hyper__ch> iieks... diss.. what sane person would do that ;)
[12:06] <wyrd> on a mirrored array, with periodical backups to the uni filerver
[12:06] <wyrd> *fileserver
[12:06] <hyper__ch> archoniam: do you actually know how much space you need for backups?
[12:06] <hyper__ch> wyrd: what was the diss about?
[12:06] <archoniam> Not rly, i just need to back up a max of 1gb of files
[12:07] <hyper__ch> wyrd: the love life of windows virii?
[12:07] <wyrd> hyper__ch, mapping networks with snmp
[12:07] <hyper__ch> archoniam: don't you wanna first see how it works before formatting your stick?
[12:07] <wyrd> was a pain in the arse
[12:08] <archoniam> well, uh i think i need a quick and easy hard drive attach not my flash drive.i use it for my knoppix saves ^^
[12:08] <hyper__ch> wyrd: sounds like it
[12:09] <hyper__ch> archoniam: you can rsync also locally... so before you format your stick it's not bad to actually check how it works ;)
[12:09] <hyper__ch> wyrd: what ws the page count?
[12:09] <wyrd> can't remember
[12:09] <wyrd> not many :P
[12:10] <wyrd> ~100
[12:10] <hyper__ch> wyrd: heheh... well, I liked writing 20-25p pages on interesting topics but the 80p for my master thesis was too much
[12:10] <hyper__ch> I just think 20-25p is a nice size
[12:11] <wyrd> sorry, not 100
[12:11] <wyrd> 38 :(
[12:11] <hyper__ch> wyrd: wow... that's cool...
[12:11] <wyrd> just dug out my copy
[12:11] <wyrd> it's a piece of crap
[12:12] <hyper__ch> wyrd: the diss of Einstein was 18 pages if I remmeber correctly
[12:12] <hyper__ch> wyrd: it was accepted?
[12:12] <wyrd> it's a miracle i passed my course with a 2.1
[12:12] <archoniam> hyper__ch what do you mean by check how it works?
[12:12] <wyrd> yeah, was accepted
[12:12] <hyper__ch> archoniam: what the actual mechanisms are behind my script
[12:12] <archoniam> and also could i get it .gz'd and sent off through my network to some remote little thing?
[12:12] <hyper__ch> wyrd: congrats ;)
[12:13] <wyrd> i wrote it in latex, like a hardcore geek :D
[12:13] <wyrd> looks nice
[12:13] <archoniam> hyper__ch: lol, uh what is ur script
[12:13] <hyper__ch> archoniam: gzipping would defy the purpose o fmy script
[12:13] <wyrd> the program part dosn't work too well
[12:13] <hyper__ch> archoniam: http://www.howtoforge.com/rsync_incremental_snapshot_backups
[12:13] <blahblahx> what window managers can i replace xfwm with?
[12:13] <blahblahx> with full support of course
[12:13] <archoniam> you made that tutorial?
[12:13] <hyper__ch> archoniam: yes
[12:13] <wyrd> hyper__ch, what did you do?
[12:13] <archoniam> whoa thanks
[12:13] <hyper__ch> wyrd: what did I do?
[12:14] <wyrd> yes
[12:14] <hyper__ch> wyrd: in what context?
[12:15] <wyrd> for assorted thesis and dissertations
[12:15] <hyper__ch> wyrd: only master thesis: The implementation of the UN-Convention on Elimination of any Discrimination Against Women in Switzerland
[12:16] <wyrd> history or politics?
[12:16] <hyper__ch> wyrd: law
[12:16] <wyrd> cool
[12:16] <hyper__ch> wyrd: but most of it was a socologistic approach to it...
[12:16] <archoniam> okay, kool, so i can get my backups on my flashdrive using that?
[12:17] <hyper__ch> archoniam: yes you can... but you will have to alter quite  a few parts :) actually make yours a lot simpler
[12:17] <hyper__ch> archoniam: thats why I said you first try to understand it
[12:17] <blahblahx> so what can i replace xfwm with? fully supported of course
[12:18] <archoniam> ...wait a minute, lol i just thought out a shell script
[12:18] <blahblahx> ?
[12:18] <hyper__ch> archoniam: :) you can forget about the ssh part in my script... yo can forget about the mysql part
[12:18] <hyper__ch> archoniam: and probably use an include list and not exclude list
[12:19] <archoniam> but i hate shell scripts. HATE THEM TRULY. i like normal executable textfiles so you don't have to go through the 'auth and sh script.sh' path
[12:19] <hyper__ch> shell scripts are great
[12:19] <blahblahx> im trying to be patient but no one is answering me
[12:19] <archoniam> so why can't i use them on my computer most of the time?
[12:19] <hyper__ch> and "normal exectutable textfiles" sounds like a contradiction to me
[12:19] <hyper__ch> a textfile normally shouldn't be executable ;=
[12:19] <archoniam> Um, im not sure blahblah. Hyper? Little help?
[12:20] <wyrd> archoniam, i don't think anyone knows
[12:20] <hyper__ch> never used another wm
[12:20] <wyrd> i think most people in here are happy with xfwm
[12:20] <blahblahx> well i need to replace it
[12:20] <archoniam> same. Im not sure, have you googled it blahblahx?
[12:20] <blahblahx> yeah i googled it, no real results
[12:20] <hyper__ch> so, I'm off to bed
[12:20] <hyper__ch> cya
[12:21] <archoniam> cya
[12:21] <wyrd> night
[12:21] <hyper__ch> and archoniam try first to understand the workings of the script... then you can alter it easily
[12:21] <archoniam> lemme check
[12:22] <archoniam> okay hyper
[12:23] <archoniam> nothing. Uh, i'm not sure blahblah.
[12:23] <archoniam> i think the xfwm is the only wm for xfce's use
[12:23] <blahblahx> yeah but you can change it
[12:24] <archoniam> why is the wm needing a change so bad?
[12:27] <archoniam> sorry bout that, just switchin to pidgin
[12:28] <blahblahx> im doing a custom distro
[12:43] <Matts> I'm looking for a Linux distro that is designed for installing on a USBstick and especially designed to be secure by default, so encrypted and designed to rdp using a VPN
[12:43] <wyrd> you might want to have a look at puppy linux or damn small linux
[12:44] <wyrd> they're both cool for usb sticks
[12:44] <wyrd> not sure about security though
[12:45] <Matts> yeah indeed, I know them, slax is kewl too... but I need the security
[12:45] <Matts> I want to be able to connect to home like that
[12:46] <wyrd> encrypted filesystems can be a pain to set up
[12:46] <wyrd> i suspect the gentoo wiki has a article on it
[12:47] <wyrd> http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_dmcrypt
[12:48] <wyrd> you may have to combine a distro with your own work to get wwhat you want
[12:49] <Matts> yep true
[12:49] <Matts> I saw I nice dualboot with windows and a usbstick to boot the laptop with Linux and otherwise with Windows :)
[12:49] <Matts> nice for the airport
[12:50] <Matts> ok, sleep now :) thanks !