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awaghi, i just installed 7.1001:35
awagand the search for files button from the main menu seems to be missing01:36
jjesseawag: its been replaced by strigi01:39
jjessecomplete desktop search01:39
awagok, thanks01:40
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DaSkreechping anyone on gutsy02:11
Tm_TDaSkreech: yes?02:13
DaSkreechare you using conversation ?02:14
DaSkreech Konversation02:14
DaSkreechtry /list ftp and tell me what the results look like02:20
Tm_TKonversation? uh, I'm irssi user02:20
Tm_Thum, but I'll try02:21
Tm_T ##pureftpd02:21
Tm_Tno other hits this far02:22
DaSkreechTm_T: No It's a gutsy konversation bug I'm hunting down02:22
DaSkreechOh that's from Konversation ?02:23
Tm_TI'm in gutsy and started Konversation, yes02:23
Tm_T #twftp02:23
DaSkreechI get all chans twice02:23
Tm_TI dont02:24
DaSkreechok must be something bone headed I did then02:24
Tm_Tthere other choices? ;-P02:24
DaSkreechOh 3.5.8 is default now for gutsy? :)02:26
DaSkreechI was testing it from before so I didn't notice the switch over I guess02:27
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jjesseDaSkreech: did you get your bug tested? i'm running gutsy and konverstation02:45
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DaSkreechjjesse: try /list ftp02:56
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jjessehello Hobbsee02:57
jjesseDaSkreech: what am i supposed to get?02:57
jjesseDaSkreech: i get a list of channels filtered by ftp02:58
jjesse[263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.02:58
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DaSkreechjjesse: I got all the channs listed twice03:01
jjessewow just crashed out03:01
jjessedisconnected me from from freenode03:01
jjesse[263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.03:01
jjesseDaSkreech: getting server load is heavy03:02
DaSkreechYeah freenode apparently gets noticed by some ass backward developers in some freak movement03:02
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jeroenvrpanyone here03:10
jjessedefine "here"03:10
jeroenvrpI updated openoffice today and the kde splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one03:11
jeroenvrpjjesse: here in this channel :-)03:11
jjesseinterseting haven't tried myself03:11
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jeroenvrpjjesse: so try ut03:11
jjessenixternal: have you taken any .net classes besides apsn.net?03:11
jjessejeroenvrp: don't want to restart my session :)03:12
jeroenvrpwhy should you03:12
jjesseoh for open office03:12
jjessei can confirm that bug03:13
jjesseback to ubuntu brown :(03:13
jeroenvrpjjesse: yep03:13
jjessejeroenvrp: you fil ethe bug i'll confirm it :)03:13
jjesseand target it for gutsy ?03:13
jeroenvrpjjesse: ok03:13
jeroenvrp1 moment03:13
DaSkreechAnd put it as blocking :-)03:15
jeroenvrp'openoffice.org-kde' is a binary package. This bug has been assigned to its source package 'openoffice.org' instead.03:22
jjessegarg why can't i just install ssh server and run it on my opensuse box :(03:23
DaSkreechyast -i ssh ?03:24
DaSkreech!search troll03:25
ubotuFound: nl-troll, nl-troll in een internetomgeving03:25
jjesseapparently there is a firewall i wasn't aware of?03:25
jeroenvrpjjesse: Bug #15313203:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 153132 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  I updated openoffice today and the OOo splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15313203:25
Hobbseewe're *not* rebuilding openoffice.03:25
jeroenvrpHobbsee: ?03:26
Hobbseefor gutsy03:26
DaSkreechcan You swap the texture? :)03:26
jeroenvrpI'm not asking for that03:26
jeroenvrpThe Kubuntu splash screen is gone as of today03:26
jeroenvrpall the work for that and now a few days for release it is gone03:27
Hobbseejeroenvrp: have you found the problem as to why it's not there?03:28
jeroenvrpHobbsee: no03:28
jjessejeroenvrp: confirmed03:28
Hobbseecan you?03:28
jeroenvrpI just updated, just like jjesse03:28
jeroenvrpjust after the updated03:28
Hobbseejjesse: btw, alsa is a pain to update - likes regressing, etc.03:28
Hobbseejjesse: and we dont really have sound experts03:28
jeroenvrpand openoffice.org-kde is still there03:28
jjesseHobbsee: this is a regression03:28
jeroenvrpI eveb reinstalled it., no l;uck03:28
jjesseboth problems open office and alsa03:28
Hobbseejjesse: i realise that03:29
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jjessei guess i just want the best and if i knew how to fix i would try03:29
Hobbseeof which?  alsa or ooo?03:30
jjesseopen office03:31
Hobbseejjesse: check the diff between the old and new versions, etc.03:31
Hobbseejeroenvrp: ubuntu goes by source packages, not binaries, btw.03:32
jeroenvrpHobbsee: ok03:32
DaSkreechHobbsee: crimsum ?03:33
HobbseeDaSkreech: well, yes, when he's here, but he's terribly busy03:33
DaSkreechI know03:34
HobbseeDaSkreech: and he's also not paid to work on ubuntu, so it's probably not reasonable to make him fix *everyone's* sound03:34
Hobbseehm, that sucks03:34
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Hobbseejjesse: please try to track that down.  just saying "it's a regression" wont get it fixed.03:38
jjessewich one? the open office or the alsa one?03:38
Hobbseewe're not touching alsa03:38
Hobbseealsa is a bitch, and what works for some will break for others, etc, etc, etc.03:38
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Hobbseejjesse: and get to it quickly - we dont want to have to delay the release.03:39
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jeroenvrpHobbsee: ok I found the reason about the OOo splash screen03:40
jjessewhat happened?03:40
jeroenvrpin /usr/lib/openoffice/program03:40
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jeroenvrpyou have a intro.bmp, thats the blue one03:40
jeroenvrpand you have openintro_ubuntu.bmp, the brown one03:41
jeroenvrpthe latter one is used03:41
jjessehmm update the bug then?03:41
Hobbseeplease do03:41
DaSkreechStill sounds like a recompile03:41
HobbseeDaSkreech: yeah, well.03:41
jeroenvrpso overwriting the brown with the blue fixes it03:41
jeroenvrpI will do03:41
DaSkreechunless you do some creative rename on the Install cd :)03:41
DaSkreechYeah what jeroenvrp just said03:42
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nixternaljjesse: I have taken a few .NET classes, asp.net, c#, vb.net, j#.net..the list goes on..and the one thing I remember from all of them, they are horrible :)03:47
jjessejust curious, i'm doing a very brief overview of .net and don't know anything about it03:49
DaSkreechnixternal: They need some OO assembly that would be leet03:49
nixternalassembly sucks, I don't ever want to look at it again in my life03:52
DaSkreechOO assembly man. It would rock03:52
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ScottKI guess it's been a while since I booted Edgy.  250MB of updates.03:52
DaSkreechWhat the hell is wrong with this thing03:53
jjessewow that's a lot of updates03:53
ScottKAnd a new kernel and a bunch of other stuff too.03:55
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jjesseits official i'm going to sydney to teach the class, schedule is booked04:32
jjessenowi just have too book the flight and hotel04:33
jjesse12 nov thru 15 november04:34
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Hobbsee(too near my exams :()04:37
DaSkreechHi hunger_t04:37
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CPrgmSwR2Hi, I am having some issues with kde4-beta305:34
CPrgmSwR2ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libkpty.so: cannot open shared object file: No05:34
CPrgmSwR2where can I get libkpty.so05:42
DaSkreechnixternal: ping ?05:43
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stdin!find libkpty.so05:53
ubotuPackage/file libkpty.so does not exist in feisty05:53
Hobbseei'd guess it should be in kde4lbis05:54
CPrgmSwR2Hobbsee: I install kde4libs and its not on my system05:54
Hobbseethe operative word there is "should"05:54
CPrgmSwR2i am installing that now05:56
CPrgmSwR2stdin: that did the trick06:01
Jucatoall hail stdin's unfathomable knowledge06:02
stdindpkg -S libkpty.so06:02
stdinit's easy when you know how :)06:02
stdinI think installing kde4base-dev and kdebase-workspace *should* grab everything you need06:03
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CPrgmSwR2Is there a way to install the latest 8.40 drivers of fglrx?06:18
stdinunless it's in the repos the only way is to manually install it06:20
CPrgmSwR2stdin: out of couriousity why isn't gutsy making use of the latest drivers?06:21
stdinI don't know06:21
stdinI don't use nvidia or ati so I'm not too bothered ;)06:21
CPrgmSwR2The main source of my issue is that kde4 is unsuable without the latest fglrx drivers06:22
stdinmaybe poke around in #ubuntu-devel and ask them06:22
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yuriyooh this looks interesting http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page07:17
DaSkreechYeah it's getting great press07:21
yuriyi was just catching up on planetkde and saw that07:22
yuriywould be great to have a cross-distro package manager gui07:22
DaSkreechWasn't that what Smart was ?07:23
yuriyi thought smart is/was a whole package management system, though i may be wrong cause i never researched it at all07:25
yuriyhmm reading the FAQ and it doesn't sound so good anymore07:26
DaSkreecha\packagekit ?07:27
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yuriyDaSkreech: yeah. well there are some things in there that sound really neat but a couple that are not so good07:32
yuriyfor instance: PackageKit does not have the fine-grained API to do everything. For instance, synaptic should still use libapt as can do much more than can be provided by PK.07:32
yuriyseems to almost defeat the point07:32
yuriythough is probably inevitable07:32
DaSkreechWell yeah it would be complicated beyond reason if it absorbed the complexity of everything07:33
yuriyalso expects silent installation of everything, which wouldn't work for nonfree things like flash, but that can probably be changed if need be07:34
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yuriybut stuff like not locking the database all the time and fast user switching sounds really nice07:35
DaSkreechWhen doesn't it lock the database?07:38
yuriywell if i understand this correctly you can have the UI up but as long as you're not actually installing packages you'd be able to install them with, say, aptitude without getting an error07:40
DaSkreechYeah that's something I never got with adept07:41
DaSkreechCan't it do apt-cache search without locking anything?07:41
yuriyhmmm... does synaptic do that?07:42
yuriyyes it locks it07:43
yuriyk, 'nuff reading, gnight07:43
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mhbRiddell: which server admin should we ask again? Also, won't he still require your consent as the de facto website maintainer?08:18
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doc__hi there09:49
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doc__toscalix: :P10:51
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rohanwhat package does kubuntu use to display OSD when i control volume using volume keys on keyboard ? because atm in gutsy the OSD is not working11:09
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_StefanS_rohan: kmilo should display a form of osd11:23
_StefanS_rohan: maybe you can get xosd to work donno11:23
rohanbut shouldn't kmilo work out of box11:24
rohanit used to work on a fresh install11:24
rohanit just suddenly stopped workng11:24
rohani hope i don't need to reinstall kubuntu just for this small glitch :(11:25
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 Beta out | test 3.5.8! | test final candidates https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Kubuntu
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Tonio_hi there12:46
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_StefanS_hey Tonio_12:52
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Tonio_yop _StefanS_ ;)12:54
Tonio_how are you ?12:54
_StefanS_any news ? :)12:54
_StefanS_fine thanks12:54
_StefanS_and you?12:54
_StefanS_I'm doing a bit of paid work today... we gotta live.12:54
Tonio_fine, at work for 27 hours in a row, but that's fine12:54
_StefanS_holy cow12:55
_StefanS_where are you working?12:55
Tonio__StefanS_: yeah that sometimes happens while at the end of a project12:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: werent you a sysadm?12:55
Tonio__StefanS_: a linux specialized company in paris12:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: ah yep I remember now12:55
Tonio__StefanS_: atm I'm doing a desktop distro based on kubuntu for a client12:56
Tonio_with active directory integration and SSO over kerberos12:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: localized in french I imagine12:56
Tonio_pretty fun :)12:56
_StefanS_sounds really interesting12:56
_StefanS_I wish I had a similar project..12:56
Tonio__StefanS_: yep, french for the moment, but the copany is hudge, and will probably go english soon12:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: It wouldn't happen to be steria you're working for?12:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: I was an employee there for a few years, in the danish part12:57
Tonio__StefanS_: nope12:58
Tonio__StefanS_: my company's called linagora12:58
_StefanS_ah ok, I know theyre big in france12:58
_StefanS_oh, dont know it12:58
Tonio__StefanS_: the copany that did the french parliament migration to ubuntu12:58
_StefanS_yes I think you mentioned that before12:58
_StefanS_are they happy with it?12:58
Tonio__StefanS_: well I've been engaged because of this so ... :)12:58
Tonio__StefanS_: hard to say12:59
Tonio_lots of things have gone wrong with the distro on that point12:59
Tonio_but that's more because of certain choices done by the parliament IT than the distro itself12:59
Tonio_I didn't have that much feedback12:59
Tonio_but of course lots of people probably complained since they just didn't want to change01:00
Tonio_that's the problem when people are forced to change01:00
_StefanS_yep I had that in mind too01:00
Tonio_they don't react the same way than people who did their own decision, and are ready to pay the price to succeed, and make consistent efforts to learn01:00
_StefanS_always hard.01:00
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_StefanS_thats true.. management are also pretty bad generally in the state/goverment sectors01:01
Tonio_lett's say their problem are more politics than technical :)01:01
Tonio_that explains hehe :)01:01
Tonio_damn I have to prepare for thursday openweel speech01:03
_StefanS_good luck01:03
Tonio_I didn't prepare anything and I'll probably spend the all tomorrow sleeping01:03
Tonio_I don't even know what to talk about :)01:03
_StefanS_you can sleep when you get old.01:03
Tonio__StefanS_: yeah, but you get old quicker when you don't sleep ;)01:04
Tonio__StefanS_: that's the trick :)01:04
_StefanS_thats true hehe01:04
_StefanS_I'm completely borked also01:04
_StefanS_I'm up 2 times during the night giving food to our boy01:04
Tonio__StefanS_: me too, and since I still have a few things to do, I'll probably stop the discussion there, sorry !01:04
Tonio_we'll have more time tomorrow once I'm a human again01:05
Tonio__StefanS_: I have a project for you and me, coding, you might like :)01:05
Tonio__StefanS_: 2 projects in fact01:05
_StefanS_oh my, sounds good.01:05
Tonio__StefanS_: but better discuss this tomorrow01:05
_StefanS_yep have a good sleep01:05
Tonio__StefanS_: well I have a 2h30 ride to go home hehe :)01:06
Tonio__StefanS_: and I'll not leave before at least 3 hours :/01:06
_StefanS_dont fall asleep behind the wheel01:06
Tonio_that'll be a nice 32 consecutive hours01:06
Tonio__StefanS_: an consider lots of people believe that all the french are working 35 hours a week.......01:07
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll go by train01:07
_StefanS_oh you can sleep a bit there01:07
_StefanS_and when you wake up your laptop is stolen, together with your underwear.01:07
Tonio__StefanS_: hum that never happened to me, neither to any personn I know01:08
Tonio__StefanS_: too many people in the train probably01:08
_StefanS_hehe just kidding you01:08
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_StefanS_anyone know how performance is of virtualbox compared vmware workstation 6?01:17
RiddellI've never had much luck with either01:24
mhbmuch ado about packagekit these days01:38
Riddellmhb: I'm unclear why the guy making the qt library is wrapping libpackagekit rather than just talking to dbus directly01:39
mhbI am unclear why we are using dbus (IPC) to achieve a "facade" design pattern01:40
mhbor is that01:41
mhbwe cannot agree on a single (object-oriented) programming language, so we have to use IPC?01:42
mhbI don't want to argue, please, if someone knows the reason, let me know01:44
mhbsee yah, I have to go to school now01:44
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davmor2Riddell: ping01:54
Riddellmhb: well quite, everyone agrees on dbus and it gives complete abstraction so it's tends to be chosen01:54
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Riddellhi davmor201:54
Riddellit's as much political as a technical choice I'm sure01:55
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davmor2Riddell: the .py script is working on live and I'm in the process of installing :)01:55
Riddellplus you get to break API and ABI and nobody much cares01:55
Riddelldavmor2: so you boot up live and it sets the right DPI?01:55
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davmor2Riddell: It is viewable and usable so I think it has been forced rather than what we had at the pie factory :)01:57
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Riddelldavmor2: exceppent02:16
Riddelldavmor2: excellent rather02:16
sahin_hHmmm. KDE 3.5.8 in Gutsy?02:23
Jucatofor a few days now. and KDE 3.5.8 is officially out02:23
sahin_hI'm just installing RC on one of my desktop machine from the alternate CD...02:24
sahin_h... and I realized the name of the packages contains
Jucatoah didn't realize 3.5.8 made it to the RC release... thought only after02:24
sahin_hI took 3.5.8 won't be in Gutsy. What a nice surprise.02:25
Jucatoall thanks to Riddell's incredible powers :)02:25
Tm_TI thought it was me02:25
Jucatonah, you have incredible op powers. along w/ stdin02:26
JucatoI have incredible, annoying poking powers, enough to poke a core-devel to change Konqi's long standing annoying shortcut :)02:27
gnomefreakkubuntu-devels incredible powers02:27
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JucatoI poked dfaure the other day about Ctrl+Home in Konqi :)02:28
Jucatoyou too? heh :)02:28
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Jucatohehe maybe I got lucky since it was a kde core-dev :)02:29
=== Jucato can't imagine poking an ubuntu core-dev..
sahin_hKubuntu developers have Chuck Norris like abilities: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ ;-)02:29
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Riddellanyone having problems with https in konqueror? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/15244903:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Incomplete] 03:28
Jucatohm.. worksforme. gutsy right?03:30
stdinRiddell: well I just visited the bug URL with konqueror and all is fine03:30
RiddellI think the bug reporter is just confused03:31
Jucatostdin: your favorite "troll" is at it in #kde now that he's practically banned in *buntu channels :)03:32
stdinyeah, I was just reading it03:32
stdinI wonder if we can convince sho_ to kick him :>03:33
Hobbseestdin: which?  xp_killer?03:33
Hobbseestdin: can probably convince a staffer more easily03:33
stdinaka "wii"03:33
Jucatostdin: well #kde is a bit more lenient than *buntu channels. but I gave sho a heads up about him already03:33
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Jucatoif he doesn't get kicked for trolling, he'll get kicked for insisting on asking about kubuntu in #kde :)03:34
stdinJucato: yeah, I know, it's just out of spite :p03:34
Jucatoalthough Hobbsee's entrance into the channel is a bit too late right? :)03:35
HobbseeJucato: nah.  i wouldnt bother kickbanning him from there03:35
ScottKRiddell: no https trouble here on the current Gutsy packages.03:35
emonkeyI can confirm this bug03:43
emonkeyjust tested03:43
emonkeytry to click on several links in launchpad and sometimes there will be no secured icon in konqueror03:44
emonkeyand the adressline has his normal http color03:44
emonkeythe bug appears not en every click in my case but it appears03:45
Riddellyes, I agree in paypal03:46
Riddellit says it's not using SSL, even though it is03:46
nixternalI knew this is where you would attack03:50
Jucatoaw.. it's gone? or the bot's lagging? :)03:50
nixternalbot is lagging03:50
Jucatoit's the only place I can attack :)03:50
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!03:50
nixternalthere you go03:50
Riddellnixternal: I take it the updated winfoss didn't happen?03:51
nixternaldude, my distributed address book I did for my project...well the teacher wants it printed out in landscape...man that is a lot of paper03:51
Jucatoteachers.... they always  make sane/sensible requirements/demands. :)03:51
nixternalRiddell: shoot, I have been swamped...can I do something for it today, or is it to late?03:51
Riddellnixternal: naw, it's too late, it's not very important though03:52
nixternalsorry about that :(03:52
nixternalas soon as I finish these 2 projects I am working on, which should be the next day or so, I shouldn't be as swamped anymore03:52
nixternalmy c++ project has been a killer learning vectors correctly03:53
Jucatothat would coincide w/ the release date..nothing to be swamped w/ :)03:53
Jucatoooooh! vector< int > foo; ?03:53
Riddellnixternal: just in time to write up our release page :)03:53
nixternalI wish it was that easy...but yes something similar03:53
nixternalyou know it :)03:53
nixternallucky me, I can work on that tomorrow afternoon and in class tomorrow night03:54
nixternalalthough, I am guessing it will only need a couple of hours, so maybe just tomorrow afternoon03:54
nixternalalrighty, time to go learn absolutely nothing..back in a bit :)03:55
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RiddellJucato: can you go to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/TechnicalUsers and click report bug?03:59
Jucatoit goes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs04:00
stdinahh, but no lock symbol or highlighted address bar04:00
Jucatoah yes04:00
JucatoView -> Security also says not secured with SSL04:01
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Jucatoso if you click a link to an https page, it doesn't use SSL?04:01
Jucatoonly if you either enter the URL manually or open it from an app like Konvi04:02
stdinhitting refresh shows the right info tho04:02
stdinJucato: in the report he says that the connection is encrypted, but konqueror just dosen't show that it is04:03
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freeflyingRiddell: arounds?04:23
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Riddellfreeflying: hi04:38
freeflyingRiddell: can I upload commercial application to archive? they have grant permision to us04:47
freeflyingRiddell: I'll mail you more details later04:48
Hobbseenot to gutsy...04:48
Riddellfreeflying: if it's free to copy on all ubuntu mirrors it can go in multiverse04:48
Riddellbut too late for gutsy indeed04:48
freeflyingRiddell: I see04:48
freeflyingRiddell: www.evermoresw.com  a office suite04:49
freeflyingbeds time, see you all04:49
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Riddellhi amachu05:15
amachuRiddell:  am trying to learn packaging ubuntu05:15
amachuany thing to be packaged in Kubuntu05:16
amachuRiddell: i missed "Hi"05:16
Riddellthere's a tag for that05:17
Riddellneeds-packaging I think05:17
Riddellyou can browse for that tag in launchpad05:17
Riddellanyone running feisty?  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-358/ feisty main05:19
nixternalamachu: http://tinyurl.com/2mbskn  <- those are the applications in which someone has requested it to be packaged05:21
Riddellamachu: but also you can just browse kde-apps.org for interesting stuff05:23
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amachuthank you05:26
Riddellamachu: let us know if you need any help05:27
nixternalhas anyone seen the new Office 2007? The teach is using it right now, and whoever did their HID on that for Microsoft, needs to be hung05:27
amachui will...05:28
nixternallets just pray that person who created it, doesn't jump ship and come to Linux :)05:28
amachuand a problem in ugradation05:28
amachui have postgres installed05:28
Riddellnixternal: I doubt she will.  what's wrong with it?05:28
amachuwhich is not allowing me to upgrade through adept05:28
nixternalit makes absolutely no sense...they totally changed what people have been used to for the past 10 or so years into this mess05:29
nixternalit is loaded with a bunch of tiny icons that make absolutely no sense05:29
nixternalI do not like OO.o, but I can honestly say from a usability standpoint, OO.o > Office 200705:29
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RiddellI think it's impressive of them to try something innovative for once05:30
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nixternalRiddell: true on that, but the only thing they innovated was the look from what I can "see"05:31
nixternalthere has to be an option to change it back to the "classic theme" or something05:31
Riddellthere is05:32
nixternalfor office?05:33
nixternalit looks good though...I have to give them that05:33
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smarterI'd like to know if this dpkg/adept bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/102753 with a fix and this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/152396 (without a fix but more serious) could be fixed for Gutsy06:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed] 06:08
Riddellbug 15239606:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy]  adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15239606:10
Riddellsmarter: I'm afraid not, gutsy is closed, 152396 is subject to string freeze which happened ages ago06:10
smarterRiddell: and for 102753 ?06:11
Riddellsmarter: could be a stable release update if someone wants it06:12
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smarterRiddell: Okay, so I'll have to wait06:13
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=== mhb doesn't like political decisions ... using IPC instead of design patterns is a "brillant" example of how software gets bloated
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ugamhb: unless there's a good reason to isolate the processes from each other, right06:39
Riddellmhb: it does have practical benefits too, e.g. no terminal nonsense06:40
mhbuga: I'm not against a client/server model in itself, of course, that has upsides and downsides06:41
ugaRiddell: is this about kcm by any chance?06:41
ugaI missed the origin of the conversation06:41
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mhbuga: I was talking about "much ado about packagekit"06:42
ugaoh ok06:43
mhbuga: that is the new and fresh application that will use D-Bus and client server model.06:43
mhband everyone should hop on.06:43
Riddellsimilar arguments could also apply to policykit I'm sure06:43
ugamhb: the advantages of IPC imho are mostly about toolkit-independance and security by isolating gui and need-to-be-stable terminal apps06:43
mhblibraries are also toolkit-independent06:44
mhbat least the sane ones06:44
ugalol, yeah, sane ones ;)06:44
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mhbof course, that's my problem with solid and phonon and the others - they are great, but the code has to be Qt-dependent06:45
mhbso no chance to use them in my python apps with both GTK/Qt frontends06:46
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Riddellmhb: don't see why not, if it's only a qt-core dependency, we depend on plenty of stuff that uses glib06:46
ugaheh, I was about to say what Riddell just said06:47
nosrednaekimare they Qt dependant? I mean... the interface probably doesn't have to be qt to use the Qt backends.06:47
mhbRiddell: I don't think anyone from ubuntu-devel would let me do that06:48
mhbRiddell: they would flip out if r-m-gtk was Qt-dependent06:48
Lureany kde4 user around? Jucato?06:48
mhbbesides, why would I design a common core for both Qt and Gtk frontends that doesn't use neither of those libraries and then throw Qt in?06:49
Riddellmhb: there's no logical reason why, QtCore is only a couple of megs06:49
LureRiddell: is kde4-devel right place to ask questions why plasma consumes 100% cpu?06:49
RiddellLure: yes06:50
nosrednaekimLure: a little..06:50
Riddellmhb: QtCore != Qt any more than glib == gtk06:50
Lurenosrednaekim: does plasma use lot's (100% together with xorg) cpu at your system?06:50
mhbby the way, how many apps do we have that are glib dependent?06:50
nosrednaekimLure i'm only on beta2, and no.06:51
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ugauga@dpcuga:~/Development/KDE4/KDE$ ldd /usr/local/kde4/bin/konsole |grep -i glib06:52
uga        libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b07fd313000)06:52
ugamhb: LOTS =)06:52
mhbuga: thanks06:52
Riddellmhb: qt 4 is glib dependent :)06:53
mhbhmm, what for? Compatibility reasons?06:53
Riddellmainloop integration06:53
mhbah, yes06:53
Riddelldon't know if anything actually uses it mind06:53
mhbor some qdbus06:54
mhbwell, who knows06:54
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mhbmy argument stands - packagekit is like a fork with which they want to eat the soup and the main course ... yet spoon lies on the table06:56
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mhbso you're right, the fork is not a bad solution for the main course06:56
mhbbut it is not designed for eating soup (unifying package managers)06:57
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mhbwell, we'll see.06:59
mhbI hope there won't be a Ubuntu push trying to make us switch to packagekit...07:00
RiddellI'm more curious about why if it's using dbus there's a libpackagekit, and why that gets used for the qt bindings rather than a libqtpackagekit07:00
mhbif there would be a 1.0.0 release and it would be proven(!) that it works as fast as adept/apt-get on slow machines, I'm for it.07:00
Riddellmhb: why not?07:00
mhbRiddell: because I still have the feeling that the design will make it slower than apt/adept ... which I would prefer to avoid.07:01
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mhbRiddell: libpackagekit? I wonder how that would work... thanks for the tip!07:02
ugasomething is freezing my box now and then :/07:02
mhbRiddell: I have sent the request to the sysadmins, but it seems they are very slow.07:03
mhbnobody responded to my request yet.07:03
Riddellmhb: they'll be busy this week with release preparations, I think we should assume it won't happen by thursday07:03
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mhbRiddell: I thought that. Well, if it won't take a month, no problem :o)07:03
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Riddellnixternal: I take it you havn't got dot access yet?07:06
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mhboh, one more thing I noted today - I don't use Vista (or Windows) myself, but they seem to have a fluid and stutter-less transition when sleeping or shutting down ... I think we could do a similar thing07:15
nosrednaekimmhb: you mean no black screens and flashes of text?07:16
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coreymon77nothing about vista is good07:16
mhbnosrednaekim: I mean a quick dim to black07:16
coreymon77why are we trying to copy it07:16
mhbcoreymon77: well I cannot say that, I don't know it at all :o)07:17
nosrednaekimthere ARE some good things about vista.07:17
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mhbusers would get the impression that all goes well, which is a good thing07:17
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coreymon77so, gutsy in 2 days?07:18
mhbusually, when my screen shuts down, the windows all lose their handle bars and I see a black screen with a kwin-less app on top for a few second07:18
mhbthat's not what it should be like :o)07:18
nosrednaekimyeah...me too.07:19
coreymon77mhb: is this for standy/hibernate07:19
mhbcoreymon77: you mean in Vista? Yes, I have seen the computer hibernate like that ... otherwise, I don't know what the shutdown screen looks like07:19
coreymon77mhb: no, i mean are we talking about going into hibernate mode on kubuntu07:20
mhbcoreymon77: no, I was talking about shutdown, but sleep mode could make use of it too07:20
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coreymon77so it just looks better when it shuts down?07:21
mhbshutdown -> fade to Kubuntu usplash logo, if some app requires attention, then hide this animation07:21
mhbhibernate/sleep -> fade to black07:21
coreymon77so look better07:21
coreymon77thats all07:21
mhbyes, just the looks07:21
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manchicke1Wuddup corey?07:22
coreymon77vistas the perfect example07:22
manchicke1coreymon77: Looks aren't everything, but boy do they help.07:22
mhbcoreymon77: of course not :o) KDE is great, that's why I'm using it :o) I am just thinking of ways to make it even better.07:22
nosrednaekimmanchicke1: got your lappy back?07:22
coreymon77i know07:22
coreymon77vistas the perfect example of how looks arent everything07:22
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manchicke1nosrednaekim: No. :'(07:24
nosrednaekimrather bad service, no?07:24
manchicke1No, it's par for the course for warranty service.07:25
manchicke1System76 sends warranty repairs back to the manufacturer, just like everybody else.07:25
nosrednaekimah... ok.. I thought they fixed it themselves07:25
manchicke1That's a notoriously slow process.07:25
nosrednaekimnever mind :)07:25
manchicke1Naw, they don't have the equipment.07:25
manchicke1Manufacturing laptops is a very expensive thing to do.07:26
nosrednaekimI didn't think they manufactured them, but I thought they would at least have the capabilities to replace a bulb.07:27
nosrednaekimbut that would probably void THEIR warranty...07:27
manchicke1It's not the bulb.07:27
manchicke1It's the inverter switch.07:27
nosrednaekimoh! lol..yeah... much bigger problem :)07:28
manchicke1During manufacturing they put the wire for the inverter switch too close to the hinge, and just over a short period of time the hinge wore away that wire.07:28
Riddellkwwii: did you do the openoffice splash screen?  that goes against all our branding guidelines07:28
manchicke1So it's a manufacturing defect for sure.07:28
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kwwiiRiddell: thanks for bringing that to my attention08:20
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davmor2Riddell: ping08:25
davmor2actually anyone does Kubuntu does it come with easy codec installation?08:27
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mhbdavmor2: you mean on-demand? Sadly, it doesn't,08:28
nosrednaekimdavmor2: there is a meta-package08:28
mhbdavmor2: I wanted this in Kaffeine but the developers had other priorities (KDE4).08:28
mhbdavmor2: I will try to implement this once there is a Kaffeine port.08:29
mhbKDE4 port.08:29
nosrednaekimperfect place for packagekit wouldn't you say ? ;008:29
Riddellonly amarok for mp308:29
davmor2right is there anyway to change the warning that amarok gives so it is more informative?08:29
davmor2Riddell: no it doesn't08:30
Riddellmm, it should08:30
nosrednaekimdavmor2: yeah... its just a bash script.08:30
mhbnosrednaekim: no, the issue is Kaffeine not able to find out what codecs are needed.08:30
davmor2you just get a warning08:30
nosrednaekimmhb: ah ;)08:30
davmor2on my install today I tried amarok for listening to club.977 which is an mp3 radio station list in shoutcast would play said something along the lines of couldn't play no backend installed08:32
Riddellmaybe it doesn't work for streams08:33
Riddellgot a local mp3 to play in amarok?08:33
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davmor2Riddell: your patch worked for live cd, normal desktop and not for the login screen08:33
Riddellyes, to be expected, same as gnome08:34
davmor2just to let you know :)08:34
Riddellthanks, I'm quite pleased I managed to fix that without having a system to test on :)08:34
Nightrosethere is a known xine problem - sometimes you have to try to play streams more than once to get it to play08:34
Nightroseif that is the problem you are running into...08:35
davmor2right guys screenshot of error is here www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/error.png  I hope anyway let me know if it isn't first time I've used Konqueror for ftp :)08:39
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claydohdavmor2: as Nightrose mentioned, try playing the stream again. I get that error on occaision when trying streams08:51
claydohscreeshot is fine :)08:51
davmor2claydoh:  That's is I didn't get the screenshot first time round08:51
claydohrather screenshot08:51
davmor2oh and I have tried the stream before I switched the machine back on so that'll be four times08:51
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davmor2If I now install xine-plugins or whatever the extra's package is called and xine-ffmpeg it play's first time08:51
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_StefanS_mhb: shutdowndlg.cpp|.h08:57
mhb_StefanS_: thanks08:57
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mhb_StefanS_: one more question ... is it possible to trigger the dim by a dcop call or such?09:22
mhb_StefanS_: just the dim, not the Shutdown dialog09:23
_StefanS_mhb: uhm dcop is not available for the dim09:24
mhband using a --parameter perhaps? Or how did you test it?09:25
_StefanS_mhb: recompiled, installed debs, logout, login again :)09:25
_StefanS_mhb: I do have a testproject lying around if I remember correctly09:25
mhb_StefanS_: don't worry09:31
_StefanS_I can assist you if needed09:32
_StefanS_i did use quite some time to get it right09:32
_StefanS_still the patch is ugly though :)09:32
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hungerHow is gutsy comming along?09:56
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drsatyrihello gutsy fans10:39
drsatyrianyone out there listening for anything about wpa, rtl8187 and intermittent hangups?10:39
nosrednaekimdrsatyri: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support10:40
drsatyrioh my bad.10:40
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davmor3Riddell: ping11:10
mhbgood night folks11:14
ScottKgood night mhb.11:16
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davmor3Riddell: when you get this.  OEM install on live gets screwed on my laptop.  Everything is fine until the reboot onto first time user.  At which point the Welcome and Choose Langu are the only things you can see :(11:19
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Riddelldavmor3: what else is there to see?11:30
Riddelldavmor3: there's something weird with the background drawing I know, but it shouldn't affect functionality11:30
davmor3Yes but not at 3 inche lettering11:31
Riddelloh right, that'll need your intel driver beastie to be fixed properly11:31
davmor3in the mean while I'll try kub alt oem :)11:32
davmor3oh and 64 oem see if the oem bug is still there :)11:33
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Riddelldavmor3: hang on11:41
Riddelllooks like we're getting new CD images11:42
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LureRiddell: software-properties-kde says:11:43
Lureusr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet11:43
Lure  warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)11:43
davmor3no we are just doing first phase testing with these cds and then I think the plan is that the day before we do a general test of all the cd's11:43
RiddellLure: always has11:43
LureRiddell: yes? didn;t adept use it for manage repositories?11:43
Riddelldavmor3: you'll have to explain this phase thing to me, I havn't worked out quite what it is11:44
RiddellLure: adept uses software-properties-kde yes11:44
LureRiddell: I collegue of mine just did feisty->gutsy upgrade and does not have software-properties installed11:45
LureRiddell: he get old manage repo dialog...11:45
RiddellLure: did he have it installed before?11:45
LureRiddell: yes, as he was suprised with new (old, pre-feisty) dialog11:45
davmor3Riddell: first phase we check out what bugs are still about ie the kubuntu oem dcop error (i think).  then the day before release we just test the there are no show stoppers and that everything installs :)11:46
LureRiddell: actually, he does not have kubuntu-desktop installed anymore...11:46
LureRiddell: will check how he did the upgrade11:46
davmor3rather than keep downloading and retesting over and over and not actually getting to check whether things are fixed11:46
Riddelldavmor3: dcop error should be gone anyway (in its place is the background drawing problem though)11:47
LureRiddell: he did upgrade with dist-upgrade, as update-manager --version-upgrade did not exist (wrong option)11:47
davmor3yes I'll check it out shortly on 64bit :)11:47
RiddellLure: not very good at reading instructions your friend :)11:48
LureRiddell: he claims that prescribed procedure did not work11:48
LureRiddell: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" returned invalid option11:49
RiddellLure: sounds like he was already on gutsy11:49
Riddellit's --dist-upgrade-devel in gutsy11:49
LureRiddell: he was on feisty + kde 3.5.711:49
Riddellhmm, output of adept_manager --help would be interesting11:49
LureRiddell: too late, as he is already at gutsy now...11:50
LureAny feisty user here?11:50
RiddellI don't think there's any feisty users left11:52
LureRiddell: ;-)11:52
davmor3Lure: whats up11:53
Luredavmor3: can you run adept-manager --help on feitsy and past output somewhere?11:54
davmor3not right now but I can in about 10 minutes.11:55
davmor3Lure: is this before or after any updates?11:55
Luredavmor3: I do not think it has to be fully up-to-date11:55
Luredavmor3: no hurry11:56
davmor3np will post once it is done :)11:56
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Riddelldavmor3: new alternates up 20071016.212:04
davmor3what's new in it?12:05
Riddelldavmor3: fix for bug 15244912:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15244912:07
Riddellso please test https (specificly links to https from http)12:07
Riddellpaypal is a good test12:08
davmor3oh only a minor bug then :)  Gmail12:08
davmor3don't have a paypal account so will do gmail12:08
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ScottKRiddell: Is the fix for 152449 in the new kdelibs (3.5.8-0ubuntu2)?  I can't replicate the bug with that installed.12:32
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RiddellScottK: yes, see above12:37
Riddellnew desktop CDs up12:37
emonkeyyes, looks like the bug is fixed here12:41

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