[01:35] <awag> hi, i just installed 7.10
[01:36] <awag> and the search for files button from the main menu seems to be missing
[01:39] <jjesse> awag: its been replaced by strigi
[01:39] <jjesse> complete desktop search
[01:40] <awag> oh
[01:40] <awag> ok, thanks
[02:11] <DaSkreech> ping anyone on gutsy
[02:13] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: yes?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> are you using conversation ?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Blast
[02:14] <DaSkreech>  Konversation
[02:20] <DaSkreech> try /list ftp and tell me what the results look like
[02:20] <Tm_T> Konversation? uh, I'm irssi user
[02:21] <Tm_T> hum, but I'll try
[02:21] <Tm_T>  ##pureftpd
[02:21] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:22] <Tm_T> no other hits this far
[02:22] <Tm_T> why?
[02:22] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: No It's a gutsy konversation bug I'm hunting down
[02:22] <Tm_T> and?
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Oh that's from Konversation ?
[02:23] <Tm_T> I'm in gutsy and started Konversation, yes
[02:23] <Tm_T>  #twftp
[02:23] <DaSkreech> hmm
[02:23] <DaSkreech> I get all chans twice
[02:24] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:24] <Tm_T> I dont
[02:24] <DaSkreech> ok must be something bone headed I did then
[02:24] <DaSkreech> 3.5.8?
[02:24] <Tm_T> sure
[02:24] <Tm_T> there other choices? ;-P
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Oh 3.5.8 is default now for gutsy? :)
[02:27] <DaSkreech> I was testing it from before so I didn't notice the switch over I guess
[02:45] <jjesse> DaSkreech: did you get your bug tested? i'm running gutsy and konverstation
[02:56] <DaSkreech> jjesse: try /list ftp
[02:57] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[02:57] <jjesse> DaSkreech: what am i supposed to get?
[02:58] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i get a list of channels filtered by ftp
[02:58] <jjesse> [263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[03:01] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I got all the channs listed twice
[03:01] <jjesse> wow just crashed out
[03:01] <jjesse> disconnected me from from freenode
[03:01] <jjesse> [263]  LIST Server load is temporarily too heavy. Please wait a while and try again.
[03:02] <jjesse> DaSkreech: getting server load is heavy
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah freenode apparently gets noticed by some ass backward developers in some freak movement
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> anyone here
[03:10] <jjesse> define "here"
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> I updated openoffice today and the kde splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: here in this channel :-)
[03:11] <jjesse> interseting haven't tried myself
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: so try ut
[03:11] <jeroenvrp> it
[03:11] <jjesse> nixternal: have you taken any .net classes besides apsn.net?
[03:12] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: don't want to restart my session :)
[03:12] <jeroenvrp> why should you
[03:12] <jjesse> oh for open office
[03:13] <jjesse> i can confirm that bug
[03:13] <jjesse> back to ubuntu brown :(
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: yep
[03:13] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: you fil ethe bug i'll confirm it :)
[03:13] <jjesse> and target it for gutsy ?
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: ok
[03:13] <jeroenvrp> 1 moment
[03:15] <DaSkreech> And put it as blocking :-)
[03:22] <jeroenvrp> 'openoffice.org-kde' is a binary package. This bug has been assigned to its source package 'openoffice.org' instead.
[03:22] <jeroenvrp> weird
[03:23] <jjesse> garg why can't i just install ssh server and run it on my opensuse box :(
[03:24] <DaSkreech> yast -i ssh ?
[03:25] <DaSkreech> !search troll
[03:25] <ubotu> Found: nl-troll, nl-troll in een internetomgeving
[03:25] <jjesse> apparently there is a firewall i wasn't aware of?
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> jjesse: Bug #153132
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153132 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  I updated openoffice today and the OOo splash screen is back to the ubuntu one, instead of the blue kubuntu one" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153132
[03:25] <Hobbsee> we're *not* rebuilding openoffice.
[03:26] <bddebian> heh
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> for gutsy
[03:26] <DaSkreech> can You swap the texture? :)
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> I'm not asking for that
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> The Kubuntu splash screen is gone as of today
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> all the work for that and now a few days for release it is gone
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: have you found the problem as to why it's not there?
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: no
[03:28] <jjesse> jeroenvrp: confirmed
[03:28] <Hobbsee> can you?
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> I just updated, just like jjesse
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> just after the updated
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: btw, alsa is a pain to update - likes regressing, etc.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and we dont really have sound experts
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> and openoffice.org-kde is still there
[03:28] <jjesse> Hobbsee: this is a regression
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> I eveb reinstalled it., no l;uck
[03:28] <jjesse> both problems open office and alsa
[03:29] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i realise that
[03:29] <jjesse> i guess i just want the best and if i knew how to fix i would try
[03:30] <Hobbsee> of which?  alsa or ooo?
[03:31] <jjesse> open office
[03:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: check the diff between the old and new versions, etc.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> jeroenvrp: ubuntu goes by source packages, not binaries, btw.
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ok
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: crimsum ?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: well, yes, when he's here, but he's terribly busy
[03:34] <DaSkreech> I know
[03:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: and he's also not paid to work on ubuntu, so it's probably not reasonable to make him fix *everyone's* sound
[03:34] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hm, that sucks
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jjesse: please try to track that down.  just saying "it's a regression" wont get it fixed.
[03:38] <jjesse> wich one? the open office or the alsa one?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ooo
[03:38] <Hobbsee> we're not touching alsa
[03:38] <Hobbsee> alsa is a bitch, and what works for some will break for others, etc, etc, etc.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and get to it quickly - we dont want to have to delay the release.
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: ok I found the reason about the OOo splash screen
[03:40] <jjesse> what happened?
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> in /usr/lib/openoffice/program
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> you have a intro.bmp, thats the blue one
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> and you have openintro_ubuntu.bmp, the brown one
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> the latter one is used
[03:41] <jjesse> hmm update the bug then?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> please do
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Still sounds like a recompile
[03:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, well.
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> so overwriting the brown with the blue fixes it
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> I will do
[03:41] <DaSkreech> unless you do some creative rename on the Install cd :)
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah what jeroenvrp just said
[03:44] <jeroenvrp> done
[03:47] <nixternal> jjesse: I have taken a few .NET classes, asp.net, c#, vb.net, j#.net..the list goes on..and the one thing I remember from all of them, they are horrible :)
[03:49] <jjesse> just curious, i'm doing a very brief overview of .net and don't know anything about it
[03:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: They need some OO assembly that would be leet
[03:51] <nixternal> eww
[03:52] <nixternal> assembly sucks, I don't ever want to look at it again in my life
[03:52] <DaSkreech> OO assembly man. It would rock
[03:52] <ScottK> I guess it's been a while since I booted Edgy.  250MB of updates.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> What the hell is wrong with this thing
[03:53] <jjesse> wow that's a lot of updates
[03:53] <jjesse> OPenOffice?
[03:55] <ScottK> And a new kernel and a bunch of other stuff too.
[04:32] <jjesse> its official i'm going to sydney to teach the class, schedule is booked
[04:33] <jjesse> nowi just have too book the flight and hotel
[04:33] <Hobbsee> woot!
[04:33] <Hobbsee> when?
[04:34] <jjesse> 12 nov thru 15 november
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:37] <Hobbsee> (too near my exams :()
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger_t
[05:34] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, I am having some issues with kde4-beta3
[05:34] <CPrgmSwR2> ksmserver: error while loading shared libraries: libkpty.so: cannot open shared object file: No
[05:42] <CPrgmSwR2> where can I get libkpty.so
[05:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping ?
[05:53] <stdin> !find libkpty.so
[05:53] <ubotu> Package/file libkpty.so does not exist in feisty
[05:54] <Hobbsee> i'd guess it should be in kde4lbis
[05:54] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: I install kde4libs and its not on my system
[05:54] <Hobbsee> the operative word there is "should"
[05:54] <CPrgmSwR2> sorry
[05:54] <stdin> kdelibs5-dev
[05:56] <CPrgmSwR2> i am installing that now
[06:01] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: that did the trick
[06:02] <Jucato> all hail stdin's unfathomable knowledge
[06:02] <stdin> dpkg -S libkpty.so
[06:02] <stdin> it's easy when you know how :)
[06:03] <stdin> I think installing kde4base-dev and kdebase-workspace *should* grab everything you need
[06:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a way to install the latest 8.40 drivers of fglrx?
[06:20] <stdin> unless it's in the repos the only way is to manually install it
[06:21] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: out of couriousity why isn't gutsy making use of the latest drivers?
[06:21] <stdin> I don't know
[06:21] <stdin> I don't use nvidia or ati so I'm not too bothered ;)
[06:22] <CPrgmSwR2> The main source of my issue is that kde4 is unsuable without the latest fglrx drivers
[06:22] <stdin> maybe poke around in #ubuntu-devel and ask them
[06:22] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[07:17] <yuriy> ooh this looks interesting http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's getting great press
[07:22] <yuriy> i was just catching up on planetkde and saw that
[07:22] <yuriy> would be great to have a cross-distro package manager gui
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Wasn't that what Smart was ?
[07:25] <yuriy> i thought smart is/was a whole package management system, though i may be wrong cause i never researched it at all
[07:26] <yuriy> hmm reading the FAQ and it doesn't sound so good anymore
[07:27] <DaSkreech> a\packagekit ?
[07:32] <yuriy> DaSkreech: yeah. well there are some things in there that sound really neat but a couple that are not so good
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Like?
[07:32] <yuriy> for instance: PackageKit does not have the fine-grained API to do everything. For instance, synaptic should still use libapt as can do much more than can be provided by PK.
[07:32] <yuriy> seems to almost defeat the point
[07:32] <yuriy> though is probably inevitable
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Well yeah it would be complicated beyond reason if it absorbed the complexity of everything
[07:34] <yuriy> also expects silent installation of everything, which wouldn't work for nonfree things like flash, but that can probably be changed if need be
[07:35] <yuriy> but stuff like not locking the database all the time and fast user switching sounds really nice
[07:38] <DaSkreech> When doesn't it lock the database?
[07:40] <yuriy> well if i understand this correctly you can have the UI up but as long as you're not actually installing packages you'd be able to install them with, say, aptitude without getting an error
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah that's something I never got with adept
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Can't it do apt-cache search without locking anything?
[07:42] <yuriy> hmmm... does synaptic do that?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:43] <yuriy> yes it locks it
[07:43] <yuriy> k, 'nuff reading, gnight
[07:44] <DaSkreech> night
[08:18] <mhb> Riddell: which server admin should we ask again? Also, won't he still require your consent as the de facto website maintainer?
[09:49] <doc__> hi there
[10:51] <doc__> toscalix: :P
[10:53] <toscalix> hi
[11:09] <rohan> what package does kubuntu use to display OSD when i control volume using volume keys on keyboard ? because atm in gutsy the OSD is not working
[11:23] <_StefanS_> rohan: kmilo should display a form of osd
[11:23] <_StefanS_> rohan: maybe you can get xosd to work donno
[11:24] <rohan> but shouldn't kmilo work out of box
[11:24] <rohan> it used to work on a fresh install
[11:24] <rohan> it just suddenly stopped workng
[11:25] <rohan> i hope i don't need to reinstall kubuntu just for this small glitch :(
[12:46] <Tonio_> hi there
[12:52] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[12:54] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> how are you ?
[12:54] <_StefanS_> any news ? :)
[12:54] <_StefanS_> fine thanks
[12:54] <_StefanS_> and you?
[12:54] <_StefanS_> I'm doing a bit of paid work today... we gotta live.
[12:54] <Tonio_> fine, at work for 27 hours in a row, but that's fine
[12:55] <_StefanS_> holy cow
[12:55] <_StefanS_> where are you working?
[12:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah that sometimes happens while at the end of a project
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: werent you a sysadm?
[12:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: a linux specialized company in paris
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah yep I remember now
[12:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: atm I'm doing a desktop distro based on kubuntu for a client
[12:56] <Tonio_> with active directory integration and SSO over kerberos
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: localized in french I imagine
[12:56] <Tonio_> pretty fun :)
[12:56] <_StefanS_> sounds really interesting
[12:56] <_StefanS_> I wish I had a similar project..
[12:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, french for the moment, but the copany is hudge, and will probably go english soon
[12:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: It wouldn't happen to be steria you're working for?
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I was an employee there for a few years, in the danish part
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my company's called linagora
[12:58] <_StefanS_> ah ok, I know theyre big in france
[12:58] <_StefanS_> oh, dont know it
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the copany that did the french parliament migration to ubuntu
[12:58] <_StefanS_> yes I think you mentioned that before
[12:58] <_StefanS_> are they happy with it?
[12:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I've been engaged because of this so ... :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hard to say
[12:59] <Tonio_> lots of things have gone wrong with the distro on that point
[12:59] <Tonio_> but that's more because of certain choices done by the parliament IT than the distro itself
[12:59] <Tonio_> I didn't have that much feedback
[01:00] <Tonio_> but of course lots of people probably complained since they just didn't want to change
[01:00] <Tonio_> that's the problem when people are forced to change
[01:00] <_StefanS_> yep I had that in mind too
[01:00] <Tonio_> they don't react the same way than people who did their own decision, and are ready to pay the price to succeed, and make consistent efforts to learn
[01:00] <_StefanS_> always hard.
[01:01] <_StefanS_> thats true.. management are also pretty bad generally in the state/goverment sectors
[01:01] <Tonio_> lett's say their problem are more politics than technical :)
[01:01] <Tonio_> that explains hehe :)
[01:02] <_StefanS_> yups
[01:03] <Tonio_> damn I have to prepare for thursday openweel speech
[01:03] <_StefanS_> good luck
[01:03] <Tonio_> I didn't prepare anything and I'll probably spend the all tomorrow sleeping
[01:03] <Tonio_> I don't even know what to talk about :)
[01:03] <_StefanS_> you can sleep when you get old.
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah, but you get old quicker when you don't sleep ;)
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's the trick :)
[01:04] <_StefanS_> thats true hehe
[01:04] <_StefanS_> I'm completely borked also
[01:04] <_StefanS_> I'm up 2 times during the night giving food to our boy
[01:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: me too, and since I still have a few things to do, I'll probably stop the discussion there, sorry !
[01:05] <Tonio_> we'll have more time tomorrow once I'm a human again
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have a project for you and me, coding, you might like :)
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 projects in fact
[01:05] <_StefanS_> oh my, sounds good.
[01:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but better discuss this tomorrow
[01:05] <_StefanS_> yep have a good sleep
[01:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I have a 2h30 ride to go home hehe :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and I'll not leave before at least 3 hours :/
[01:06] <_StefanS_> dont fall asleep behind the wheel
[01:06] <Tonio_> that'll be a nice 32 consecutive hours
[01:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: an consider lots of people believe that all the french are working 35 hours a week.......
[01:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll go by train
[01:07] <_StefanS_> yep
[01:07] <_StefanS_> oh you can sleep a bit there
[01:07] <_StefanS_> and when you wake up your laptop is stolen, together with your underwear.
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum that never happened to me, neither to any personn I know
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: too many people in the train probably
[01:08] <_StefanS_> hehe just kidding you
[01:08] <Tonio_> bye
[01:08] <_StefanS_> bye
[01:17] <_StefanS_> anyone know how performance is of virtualbox compared vmware workstation 6?
[01:24] <Riddell> I've never had much luck with either
[01:38] <mhb> much ado about packagekit these days
[01:39] <Riddell> mhb: I'm unclear why the guy making the qt library is wrapping libpackagekit rather than just talking to dbus directly
[01:40] <mhb> I am unclear why we are using dbus (IPC) to achieve a "facade" design pattern
[01:41] <mhb> or is that
[01:42] <mhb> we cannot agree on a single (object-oriented) programming language, so we have to use IPC?
[01:44] <mhb> I don't want to argue, please, if someone knows the reason, let me know
[01:44] <mhb> see yah, I have to go to school now
[01:54] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[01:54] <Riddell> mhb: well quite, everyone agrees on dbus and it gives complete abstraction so it's tends to be chosen
[01:54] <Riddell> hi davmor2
[01:55] <Riddell> it's as much political as a technical choice I'm sure
[01:55] <davmor2> Riddell: the .py script is working on live and I'm in the process of installing :)
[01:55] <Riddell> plus you get to break API and ABI and nobody much cares
[01:55] <Riddell> davmor2: so you boot up live and it sets the right DPI?
[01:57] <davmor2> Riddell: It is viewable and usable so I think it has been forced rather than what we had at the pie factory :)
[02:16] <Riddell> davmor2: exceppent
[02:16] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent rather
[02:23] <sahin_h> Hmmm. KDE 3.5.8 in Gutsy?
[02:23] <Jucato> yes
[02:23] <Jucato> for a few days now. and KDE 3.5.8 is officially out
[02:24] <sahin_h> I'm just installing RC on one of my desktop machine from the alternate CD...
[02:24] <sahin_h> ... and I realized the name of the packages contains 3.5.8.
[02:24] <Jucato> ah didn't realize 3.5.8 made it to the RC release... thought only after
[02:25] <sahin_h> I took 3.5.8 won't be in Gutsy. What a nice surprise.
[02:25] <Jucato> all thanks to Riddell's incredible powers :)
[02:25] <Tm_T> I thought it was me
[02:26] <Jucato> nah, you have incredible op powers. along w/ stdin
[02:26] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:27] <Jucato> I have incredible, annoying poking powers, enough to poke a core-devel to change Konqi's long standing annoying shortcut :)
[02:27] <Tm_T> ?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> kubuntu-devels incredible powers
[02:28] <Jucato> I poked dfaure the other day about Ctrl+Home in Konqi :)
[02:28] <Jucato> you too? heh :)
[02:28] <Jucato> :P
[02:29] <Jucato> hehe maybe I got lucky since it was a kde core-dev :)
[02:29] <sahin_h> Kubuntu developers have Chuck Norris like abilities: http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/ ;-)
[03:28] <Riddell> anyone having problems with https in konqueror? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/152449
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[03:30] <Jucato> hm.. worksforme. gutsy right?
[03:30] <stdin> Riddell: well I just visited the bug URL with konqueror and all is fine
[03:31] <Riddell> I think the bug reporter is just confused
[03:32] <Jucato> stdin: your favorite "troll" is at it in #kde now that he's practically banned in *buntu channels :)
[03:32] <stdin> yeah, I was just reading it
[03:33] <stdin> I wonder if we can convince sho_ to kick him :>
[03:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: which?  xp_killer?
[03:33] <Jucato> yep
[03:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: can probably convince a staffer more easily
[03:33] <stdin> aka "wii"
[03:33] <Jucato> stdin: well #kde is a bit more lenient than *buntu channels. but I gave sho a heads up about him already
[03:34] <Jucato> if he doesn't get kicked for trolling, he'll get kicked for insisting on asking about kubuntu in #kde :)
[03:34] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, I know, it's just out of spite :p
[03:34] <Jucato> hahahah
[03:35] <Jucato> although Hobbsee's entrance into the channel is a bit too late right? :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nah.  i wouldnt bother kickbanning him from there
[03:35] <ScottK> Riddell: no https trouble here on the current Gutsy packages.
[03:35] <Jucato> hahah
[03:43] <emonkey> I can confirm this bug
[03:43] <emonkey> just tested
[03:44] <emonkey> try to click on several links in launchpad and sometimes there will be no secured icon in konqueror
[03:44] <emonkey> and the adressline has his normal http color
[03:45] <emonkey> the bug appears not en every click in my case but it appears
[03:46] <Riddell> yes, I agree in paypal
[03:46] <Riddell> it says it's not using SSL, even though it is
[03:50] <Jucato> !visternal
[03:50] <nixternal> I knew this is where you would attack
[03:50] <Jucato> aw.. it's gone? or the bot's lagging? :)
[03:50] <nixternal> bot is lagging
[03:50] <Jucato> it's the only place I can attack :)
[03:50] <nixternal> haha
[03:50] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:50] <nixternal> there you go
[03:51] <Riddell> nixternal: I take it the updated winfoss didn't happen?
[03:51] <nixternal> dude, my distributed address book I did for my project...well the teacher wants it printed out in landscape...man that is a lot of paper
[03:51] <Jucato> teachers.... they always  make sane/sensible requirements/demands. :)
[03:51] <nixternal> Riddell: shoot, I have been swamped...can I do something for it today, or is it to late?
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: naw, it's too late, it's not very important though
[03:52] <nixternal> sorry about that :(
[03:52] <nixternal> as soon as I finish these 2 projects I am working on, which should be the next day or so, I shouldn't be as swamped anymore
[03:53] <nixternal> my c++ project has been a killer learning vectors correctly
[03:53] <Jucato> that would coincide w/ the release date..nothing to be swamped w/ :)
[03:53] <Jucato> ooooh! vector< int > foo; ?
[03:53] <Riddell> nixternal: just in time to write up our release page :)
[03:53] <nixternal> I wish it was that easy...but yes something similar
[03:53] <nixternal> you know it :)
[03:54] <nixternal> lucky me, I can work on that tomorrow afternoon and in class tomorrow night
[03:54] <nixternal> although, I am guessing it will only need a couple of hours, so maybe just tomorrow afternoon
[03:55] <nixternal> alrighty, time to go learn absolutely nothing..back in a bit :)
[03:55] <Jucato> byers
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya
[03:59] <Riddell> Jucato: can you go to http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/TechnicalUsers and click report bug?
[04:00] <Jucato> it goes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[04:00] <stdin> ahh, but no lock symbol or highlighted address bar
[04:00] <Jucato> ah yes
[04:01] <Jucato> View -> Security also says not secured with SSL
[04:01] <Jucato> so if you click a link to an https page, it doesn't use SSL?
[04:02] <Jucato> only if you either enter the URL manually or open it from an app like Konvi
[04:02] <stdin> hitting refresh shows the right info tho
[04:03] <stdin> Jucato: in the report he says that the connection is encrypted, but konqueror just dosen't show that it is
[04:23] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds?
[04:38] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: can I upload commercial application to archive? they have grant permision to us
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: I'll mail you more details later
[04:48] <Hobbsee> not to gutsy...
[04:48] <Riddell> freeflying: if it's free to copy on all ubuntu mirrors it can go in multiverse
[04:48] <Riddell> but too late for gutsy indeed
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: I see
[04:49] <freeflying> Riddell: www.evermoresw.com  a office suite
[04:49] <freeflying> beds time, see you all
[05:14] <amachu> hi
[05:15] <Riddell> hi amachu
[05:15] <amachu> Riddell:  am trying to learn packaging ubuntu
[05:16] <amachu> any thing to be packaged in Kubuntu
[05:16] <amachu> Riddell: i missed "Hi"
[05:16] <amachu> :-)
[05:17] <Riddell> there's a tag for that
[05:17] <Riddell> needs-packaging I think
[05:17] <Riddell> you can browse for that tag in launchpad
[05:19] <Riddell> anyone running feisty?  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-358/ feisty main
[05:21] <nixternal> amachu: http://tinyurl.com/2mbskn  <- those are the applications in which someone has requested it to be packaged
[05:22] <amachu> ok
[05:23] <Riddell> amachu: but also you can just browse kde-apps.org for interesting stuff
[05:24] <amachu> sure
[05:26] <amachu> thank you
[05:27] <Riddell> amachu: let us know if you need any help
[05:27] <nixternal> has anyone seen the new Office 2007? The teach is using it right now, and whoever did their HID on that for Microsoft, needs to be hung
[05:28] <amachu> sure...
[05:28] <amachu> i will...
[05:28] <nixternal> lets just pray that person who created it, doesn't jump ship and come to Linux :)
[05:28] <amachu> and a problem in ugradation
[05:28] <amachu> i have postgres installed
[05:28] <Riddell> nixternal: I doubt she will.  what's wrong with it?
[05:28] <amachu> which is not allowing me to upgrade through adept
[05:29] <nixternal> it makes absolutely no sense...they totally changed what people have been used to for the past 10 or so years into this mess
[05:29] <nixternal> it is loaded with a bunch of tiny icons that make absolutely no sense
[05:29] <nixternal> I do not like OO.o, but I can honestly say from a usability standpoint, OO.o > Office 2007
[05:30] <Riddell> I think it's impressive of them to try something innovative for once
[05:31] <nixternal> Riddell: true on that, but the only thing they innovated was the look from what I can "see"
[05:31] <nixternal> there has to be an option to change it back to the "classic theme" or something
[05:32] <Riddell> there is
[05:33] <nixternal> for office?
[05:33] <nixternal> it looks good though...I have to give them that
[06:06] <smarter> Hi
[06:08] <smarter> I'd like to know if this dpkg/adept bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/102753 with a fix and this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/152396 (without a fix but more serious) could be fixed for Gutsy
[06:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102753 in adept "adept does not display utf-8 text correctly" [Low,Confirmed] 
[06:10] <Riddell> bug 152396
[06:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy]  adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152396
[06:10] <Riddell> smarter: I'm afraid not, gutsy is closed, 152396 is subject to string freeze which happened ages ago
[06:11] <smarter> Riddell: and for 102753 ?
[06:12] <Riddell> smarter: could be a stable release update if someone wants it
[06:13] <smarter> Riddell: Okay, so I'll have to wait
[06:39] <uga> mhb: unless there's a good reason to isolate the processes from each other, right
[06:40] <Riddell> mhb: it does have practical benefits too, e.g. no terminal nonsense
[06:41] <mhb> uga: I'm not against a client/server model in itself, of course, that has upsides and downsides
[06:41] <uga> Riddell: is this about kcm by any chance?
[06:41] <uga> I missed the origin of the conversation
[06:42] <mhb> uga: I was talking about "much ado about packagekit"
[06:43] <uga> oh ok
[06:43] <mhb> uga: that is the new and fresh application that will use D-Bus and client server model.
[06:43] <mhb> and everyone should hop on.
[06:43] <Riddell> similar arguments could also apply to policykit I'm sure
[06:43] <uga> mhb: the advantages of IPC imho are mostly about toolkit-independance and security by isolating gui and need-to-be-stable terminal apps
[06:44] <mhb> libraries are also toolkit-independent
[06:44] <mhb> at least the sane ones
[06:44] <uga> lol, yeah, sane ones ;)
[06:45] <mhb> of course, that's my problem with solid and phonon and the others - they are great, but the code has to be Qt-dependent
[06:46] <mhb> so no chance to use them in my python apps with both GTK/Qt frontends
[06:46] <Riddell> mhb: don't see why not, if it's only a qt-core dependency, we depend on plenty of stuff that uses glib
[06:47] <uga> heh, I was about to say what Riddell just said
[06:47] <nosrednaekim> are they Qt dependant? I mean... the interface probably doesn't have to be qt to use the Qt backends.
[06:48] <mhb> Riddell: I don't think anyone from ubuntu-devel would let me do that
[06:48] <mhb> Riddell: they would flip out if r-m-gtk was Qt-dependent
[06:48] <Lure> any kde4 user around? Jucato?
[06:48] <mhb> restricted-manager
[06:49] <mhb> besides, why would I design a common core for both Qt and Gtk frontends that doesn't use neither of those libraries and then throw Qt in?
[06:49] <Riddell> mhb: there's no logical reason why, QtCore is only a couple of megs
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: is kde4-devel right place to ask questions why plasma consumes 100% cpu?
[06:50] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[06:50] <nosrednaekim> Lure: a little..
[06:50] <Riddell> mhb: QtCore != Qt any more than glib == gtk
[06:50] <Lure> nosrednaekim: does plasma use lot's (100% together with xorg) cpu at your system?
[06:50] <mhb> by the way, how many apps do we have that are glib dependent?
[06:51] <nosrednaekim> Lure i'm only on beta2, and no.
[06:52] <uga> mhb:
[06:52] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~/Development/KDE4/KDE$ ldd /usr/local/kde4/bin/konsole |grep -i glib
[06:52] <uga>         libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b07fd313000)
[06:52] <uga> =)
[06:52] <uga> mhb: LOTS =)
[06:52] <mhb> uga: thanks
[06:53] <Riddell> mhb: qt 4 is glib dependent :)
[06:53] <mhb> hmm, what for? Compatibility reasons?
[06:53] <Riddell> mainloop integration
[06:53] <mhb> ah, yes
[06:53] <Riddell> don't know if anything actually uses it mind
[06:54] <mhb> dbus?
[06:54] <mhb> or some qdbus
[06:54] <mhb> well, who knows
[06:56] <mhb> my argument stands - packagekit is like a fork with which they want to eat the soup and the main course ... yet spoon lies on the table
[06:56] <mhb> so you're right, the fork is not a bad solution for the main course
[06:57] <mhb> but it is not designed for eating soup (unifying package managers)
[06:59] <mhb> well, we'll see.
[07:00] <mhb> I hope there won't be a Ubuntu push trying to make us switch to packagekit...
[07:00] <Riddell> I'm more curious about why if it's using dbus there's a libpackagekit, and why that gets used for the qt bindings rather than a libqtpackagekit
[07:00] <mhb> if there would be a 1.0.0 release and it would be proven(!) that it works as fast as adept/apt-get on slow machines, I'm for it.
[07:00] <Riddell> mhb: why not?
[07:01] <mhb> Riddell: because I still have the feeling that the design will make it slower than apt/adept ... which I would prefer to avoid.
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: libpackagekit? I wonder how that would work... thanks for the tip!
[07:02] <uga> something is freezing my box now and then :/
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: I have sent the request to the sysadmins, but it seems they are very slow.
[07:03] <mhb> nobody responded to my request yet.
[07:03] <Riddell> mhb: they'll be busy this week with release preparations, I think we should assume it won't happen by thursday
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: I thought that. Well, if it won't take a month, no problem :o)
[07:06] <Riddell> nixternal: I take it you havn't got dot access yet?
[07:15] <mhb> oh, one more thing I noted today - I don't use Vista (or Windows) myself, but they seem to have a fluid and stutter-less transition when sleeping or shutting down ... I think we could do a similar thing
[07:16] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you mean no black screens and flashes of text?
[07:16] <coreymon77> nothing about vista is good
[07:16] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I mean a quick dim to black
[07:16] <coreymon77> why are we trying to copy it
[07:17] <mhb> coreymon77: well I cannot say that, I don't know it at all :o)
[07:17] <nosrednaekim> there ARE some good things about vista.
[07:17] <coreymon77> ***GASP!!!***
[07:17] <mhb> users would get the impression that all goes well, which is a good thing
[07:18] <coreymon77> so, gutsy in 2 days?
[07:18] <mhb> usually, when my screen shuts down, the windows all lose their handle bars and I see a black screen with a kwin-less app on top for a few second
[07:18] <mhb> s
[07:18] <mhb> that's not what it should be like :o)
[07:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah...me too.
[07:19] <coreymon77> mhb: is this for standy/hibernate
[07:19] <mhb> coreymon77: you mean in Vista? Yes, I have seen the computer hibernate like that ... otherwise, I don't know what the shutdown screen looks like
[07:20] <coreymon77> mhb: no, i mean are we talking about going into hibernate mode on kubuntu
[07:20] <mhb> coreymon77: no, I was talking about shutdown, but sleep mode could make use of it too
[07:20] <coreymon77> oh
[07:21] <coreymon77> so it just looks better when it shuts down?
[07:21] <mhb> shutdown -> fade to Kubuntu usplash logo, if some app requires attention, then hide this animation
[07:21] <mhb> hibernate/sleep -> fade to black
[07:21] <coreymon77> so look better
[07:21] <coreymon77> thats all
[07:21] <mhb> yes, just the looks
[07:22] <coreymon77> looks arent everything
[07:22] <manchicke1> Wuddup corey?
[07:22] <coreymon77> vistas the perfect example
[07:22] <manchicke1> coreymon77: Looks aren't everything, but boy do they help.
[07:22] <nosrednaekim> indeed
[07:22] <mhb> coreymon77: of course not :o) KDE is great, that's why I'm using it :o) I am just thinking of ways to make it even better.
[07:22] <nosrednaekim> manchicke1: got your lappy back?
[07:22] <coreymon77> i know
[07:22] <coreymon77> vistas the perfect example of how looks arent everything
[07:24] <manchicke1> nosrednaekim: No. :'(
[07:24] <nosrednaekim> rather bad service, no?
[07:25] <manchicke1> No, it's par for the course for warranty service.
[07:25] <manchicke1> System76 sends warranty repairs back to the manufacturer, just like everybody else.
[07:25] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok.. I thought they fixed it themselves
[07:25] <manchicke1> That's a notoriously slow process.
[07:25] <nosrednaekim> never mind :)
[07:25] <manchicke1> Naw, they don't have the equipment.
[07:26] <manchicke1> Manufacturing laptops is a very expensive thing to do.
[07:26] <nosrednaekim> Indeed.
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> I didn't think they manufactured them, but I thought they would at least have the capabilities to replace a bulb.
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> *backlight
[07:27] <nosrednaekim> but that would probably void THEIR warranty...
[07:27] <manchicke1> It's not the bulb.
[07:27] <manchicke1> It's the inverter switch.
[07:28] <nosrednaekim> oh! lol..yeah... much bigger problem :)
[07:28] <manchicke1> During manufacturing they put the wire for the inverter switch too close to the hinge, and just over a short period of time the hinge wore away that wire.
[07:28] <Riddell> kwwii: did you do the openoffice splash screen?  that goes against all our branding guidelines
[07:28] <manchicke1> So it's a manufacturing defect for sure.
[08:20] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for bringing that to my attention
[08:25] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[08:27] <davmor2> actually anyone does Kubuntu does it come with easy codec installation?
[08:28] <mhb> davmor2: you mean on-demand? Sadly, it doesn't,
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> davmor2: there is a meta-package
[08:28] <mhb> davmor2: I wanted this in Kaffeine but the developers had other priorities (KDE4).
[08:29] <mhb> davmor2: I will try to implement this once there is a Kaffeine port.
[08:29] <mhb> KDE4 port.
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> perfect place for packagekit wouldn't you say ? ;0
[08:29] <Riddell> only amarok for mp3
[08:29] <davmor2> right is there anyway to change the warning that amarok gives so it is more informative?
[08:30] <davmor2> Riddell: no it doesn't
[08:30] <Riddell> mm, it should
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> davmor2: yeah... its just a bash script.
[08:30] <mhb> nosrednaekim: no, the issue is Kaffeine not able to find out what codecs are needed.
[08:30] <davmor2> you just get a warning
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> mhb: ah ;)
[08:32] <davmor2> on my install today I tried amarok for listening to club.977 which is an mp3 radio station list in shoutcast would play said something along the lines of couldn't play no backend installed
[08:33] <Riddell> maybe it doesn't work for streams
[08:33] <Riddell> got a local mp3 to play in amarok?
[08:33] <davmor2> Riddell: your patch worked for live cd, normal desktop and not for the login screen
[08:34] <Riddell> yes, to be expected, same as gnome
[08:34] <davmor2> just to let you know :)
[08:34] <Riddell> thanks, I'm quite pleased I managed to fix that without having a system to test on :)
[08:34] <Riddell> "fix"
[08:34] <Nightrose> there is a known xine problem - sometimes you have to try to play streams more than once to get it to play
[08:35] <Nightrose> if that is the problem you are running into...
[08:39] <davmor2> right guys screenshot of error is here www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/error.png  I hope anyway let me know if it isn't first time I've used Konqueror for ftp :)
[08:51] <claydoh> davmor2: as Nightrose mentioned, try playing the stream again. I get that error on occaision when trying streams
[08:51] <claydoh> screeshot is fine :)
[08:51] <davmor2> claydoh:  That's is I didn't get the screenshot first time round
[08:51] <claydoh> rather screenshot
[08:51] <davmor2> oh and I have tried the stream before I switched the machine back on so that'll be four times
[08:51] <claydoh> hmmm
[08:51] <davmor2> If I now install xine-plugins or whatever the extra's package is called and xine-ffmpeg it play's first time
[08:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: shutdowndlg.cpp|.h
[08:57] <mhb> _StefanS_: thanks
[09:22] <mhb> _StefanS_: one more question ... is it possible to trigger the dim by a dcop call or such?
[09:23] <mhb> _StefanS_: just the dim, not the Shutdown dialog
[09:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: uhm dcop is not available for the dim
[09:25] <mhb> and using a --parameter perhaps? Or how did you test it?
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: recompiled, installed debs, logout, login again :)
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: I do have a testproject lying around if I remember correctly
[09:31] <mhb> _StefanS_: don't worry
[09:32] <_StefanS_> I can assist you if needed
[09:32] <_StefanS_> i did use quite some time to get it right
[09:32] <_StefanS_> still the patch is ugly though :)
[09:56] <hunger> How is gutsy comming along?
[10:39] <drsatyri> hello gutsy fans
[10:39] <drsatyri> anyone out there listening for anything about wpa, rtl8187 and intermittent hangups?
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> drsatyri: #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support
[10:40] <drsatyri> oh my bad.
[10:40] <drsatyri> thx
[11:10] <davmor3> Riddell: ping
[11:14] <mhb> good night folks
[11:16] <ScottK> good night mhb.
[11:19] <davmor3> Riddell: when you get this.  OEM install on live gets screwed on my laptop.  Everything is fine until the reboot onto first time user.  At which point the Welcome and Choose Langu are the only things you can see :(
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor3: what else is there to see?
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor3: there's something weird with the background drawing I know, but it shouldn't affect functionality
[11:31] <davmor3> Yes but not at 3 inche lettering
[11:31] <Riddell> oh right, that'll need your intel driver beastie to be fixed properly
[11:31] <davmor3> yes
[11:32] <davmor3> in the mean while I'll try kub alt oem :)
[11:33] <davmor3> oh and 64 oem see if the oem bug is still there :)
[11:41] <Riddell> davmor3: hang on
[11:42] <Riddell> looks like we're getting new CD images
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: software-properties-kde says:
[11:43] <Lure> usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[11:43] <Lure>   warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[11:43] <davmor3> no we are just doing first phase testing with these cds and then I think the plan is that the day before we do a general test of all the cd's
[11:43] <Riddell> Lure: always has
[11:43] <Lure> Riddell: yes? didn;t adept use it for manage repositories?
[11:44] <Riddell> davmor3: you'll have to explain this phase thing to me, I havn't worked out quite what it is
[11:44] <Riddell> Lure: adept uses software-properties-kde yes
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: I collegue of mine just did feisty->gutsy upgrade and does not have software-properties installed
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: he get old manage repo dialog...
[11:45] <Riddell> Lure: did he have it installed before?
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: yes, as he was suprised with new (old, pre-feisty) dialog
[11:46] <davmor3> Riddell: first phase we check out what bugs are still about ie the kubuntu oem dcop error (i think).  then the day before release we just test the there are no show stoppers and that everything installs :)
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: actually, he does not have kubuntu-desktop installed anymore...
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: will check how he did the upgrade
[11:46] <davmor3> rather than keep downloading and retesting over and over and not actually getting to check whether things are fixed
[11:47] <Riddell> davmor3: dcop error should be gone anyway (in its place is the background drawing problem though)
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: he did upgrade with dist-upgrade, as update-manager --version-upgrade did not exist (wrong option)
[11:47] <davmor3> yes I'll check it out shortly on 64bit :)
[11:48] <Riddell> Lure: not very good at reading instructions your friend :)
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: he claims that prescribed procedure did not work
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" returned invalid option
[11:49] <Riddell> Lure: sounds like he was already on gutsy
[11:49] <Riddell> it's --dist-upgrade-devel in gutsy
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: he was on feisty + kde 3.5.7
[11:49] <Riddell> hmm, output of adept_manager --help would be interesting
[11:50] <Lure> Riddell: too late, as he is already at gutsy now...
[11:50] <Lure> Any feisty user here?
[11:52] <Riddell> I don't think there's any feisty users left
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[11:53] <davmor3> Lure: whats up
[11:54] <Lure> davmor3: can you run adept-manager --help on feitsy and past output somewhere?
[11:55] <davmor3> not right now but I can in about 10 minutes.
[11:55] <davmor3> Lure: is this before or after any updates?
[11:55] <Lure> davmor3: I do not think it has to be fully up-to-date
[11:56] <Lure> davmor3: no hurry
[11:56] <davmor3> np will post once it is done :)
[12:04] <Riddell> davmor3: new alternates up 20071016.2
[12:05] <davmor3> what's new in it?
[12:07] <Riddell> davmor3: fix for bug 152449
[12:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152449 in kdebase "HTTPS not working with Konqueror 3.5.8" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/152449
[12:07] <Riddell> so please test https (specificly links to https from http)
[12:08] <Riddell> paypal is a good test
[12:08] <davmor3> oh only a minor bug then :)  Gmail
[12:08] <davmor3> don't have a paypal account so will do gmail
[12:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the fix for 152449 in the new kdelibs (3.5.8-0ubuntu2)?  I can't replicate the bug with that installed.
[12:37] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, see above
[12:37] <Riddell> new desktop CDs up
[12:41] <emonkey> yes, looks like the bug is fixed here