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[01:03] <Coringao> kiko-zzz, ola colega ..blz?
[01:09] <Coringao> kiko-zzz, cprov  ola colegas..blz.. estou precisando de uma ajuda sua no Launchpad, pode me ajudar?
[01:15] <Coringao> cprov, ola
[01:17] <cprov> Coringao: sure, what's your doubt ?
[01:17] <Coringao> cprov, fiz uma besteira no launchpad .. tava fazendo um modo de colocar o programa IUG (Instalador Ubuntu Games) no Launchpad
[01:18] <Coringao> cprov, e acabei adicionando outro launchpad do Ubuntu Games 
[01:18] <Coringao> cprov, agora esta mostrando dois 
[01:18] <Coringao> cprov, tem como excluir um
[01:18] <Coringao> ?
[01:19] <cprov> Coringao: sorry, but conversation in this channel has to be in English. I don't mind to help you in pt_BR in pvt.
[01:19] <Coringao> cprov, ops!! sorry
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #153107 in launchpad "hwdb interface does not provide a means to retrieve hardware submissions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153107
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #153112 in malone "Subscribed bug does not show in personal bug listing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153112
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[05:32] <KeithWeisshar> i'm getting an error message when i try to reset my password
[05:32] <KeithWeisshar> on launchpad.net
[05:32] <mpt> KeithWeisshar, what does the error say?
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[05:34] <KeithWeisshar> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. Weve recorded what happened, and well fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. 
[05:34] <KeithWeisshar> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. If it doesnt, and this is blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list (requires subscription). Include the error ID OOPS-654E182 in your message. 
[05:34] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/654E182
[05:34] <KeithWeisshar> i'm unable to log in with the new password that i just set to
[05:35] <KeithWeisshar> it's a timeout error
[05:35] <lifeless> win 20
[05:37] <KeithWeisshar> is there any launchpad.net admin online?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> unlikely, they're in the UK for the most part, or brazil
[05:39] <KeithWeisshar> why is the shipping to usa from shop.canonical.com so high
[05:39] <KeithWeisshar> even for regular mail
[05:39] <KeithWeisshar> the shipping is almost $10 for a $1.38 pen
[05:41] <KeithWeisshar> i forgot my launchpad.net passwore
[05:41] <KeithWeisshar> when i try to reset the password i get a timeout error that says Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. Weve recorded what happened, and well fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. 
[05:41] <KeithWeisshar> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. If it doesnt, and this is blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list (requires subscription). Include the error ID OOPS-654E182 in your message. 
[05:41] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/654E182
[05:42] <KeithWeisshar> ID OOPS-654E182
[05:42] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/654E182
[05:42] <KeithWeisshar> ID OOPS-654E182
[05:42] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/654E182
[05:44] <KeithWeisshar> can you fix the launchpad password
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[05:46] <KeithWeisshar> is there a lp admin on irc
[05:46] <Hobbsee> you asked that 8 minutes ago.  i dobut the answer has changed.
[05:48] <KeithWeisshar> does freenode accept connections from uk
[05:49] <jml> yes
[05:49] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu is located in uk too
[05:50] <Hobbsee> not quite sure that's accurate
[05:50] <Hobbsee> but the data centre is in the UK, yes
[05:54] <lifeless> KeithWeisshar: hi. A developer, not admin, needs to look at the error report.
[05:55] <lifeless> KeithWeisshar: if its still not working, as you say its not, please follow the instructions in the error report (contact the launchpad-users mailing list)
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[07:58] <lifeless> any volunteers to run the review meeting ?
[07:58] <lifeless> thumper-office: ^ spiv ^ BjornT ^
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=== spiv looks at thumper ;)
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[08:04] <jml> I'll do it. where's the agenda?
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[08:05] <jamesh> hi
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[08:05] <jml> = Meeting begins =
[08:05] <jml> == Roll call ==
[08:05] <thumper> here
[08:05] <jml> here
[08:05] <spiv> here
[08:05] <jamesh> here
[08:06] <lifeless> poolie is ringing me
[08:06] <lifeless> if you need me sms
[08:06] <jml> BjornT: ?
[08:06] <BjornT> me
[08:06] <jml> == Next meeting ==
[08:07] <jml> DST is sweeping its way across the southern hemisphere.
[08:07] <jml> But I don't think we need to change the time for next week
[08:07] <thumper> +1
[08:07] <thumper> perhaps after all hands...
[08:07] <jml> Excellent. It is decided.
[08:07] <spiv> Yeah.
[08:08] <jml> == Action items ==
[08:08] <jml> Nothing listed in previous minutes
[08:08] <jml> I wasn't at the meeting though.
[08:08] <jml> Anything worth mentioning?
[08:08] <thumper> wasn't there an email from SteveA somewhere?
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[08:08] <jml> Oh right.
[08:09] <jml> that was a view / tal thing.
[08:09] <thumper> properties for no-arg funcs
[08:09] <jml> I'll look after the meeting to confirm that it was added to the relevant wiki checklist
[08:09] <thumper> +1
[08:09] <spiv> About using properties rather than no-arg functions on view classes, iirc.
[08:09] <jml> ACTION: jml confirm above.
[08:09] <thumper> I'm for adding it to the checklist
[08:09] <jml> Moving along!
[08:09] <jml> Queue status
[08:09] <spiv> Me too.
[08:09] <jml> *ahem*
[08:10] <jml> == Queue status ==
[08:10] <thumper> the script seems somewhat behind
[08:10] <thumper> the two oldest are mine and were both finished a number of hours ago
[08:10] <jml> The needs review queue is big, red and out of date
[08:10] <thumper> I have one other still in progress
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[08:11] <thumper> :)
[08:11] <jml> I count 30+ on the wiki page.
[08:11] <jml> Anyone here have any overdue branches?
[08:11] <spiv> I do.
[08:11] <jml> spiv: oh really? ;)
[08:11] <spiv> But you'd know that, as one of them is for you ;)
[08:12] <thumper> I have only one red and I'm working on it 
[08:12] <spiv> And the other is a branch that's returned from needs-reply.  They should both be done today.
[08:12] <jml> jamesh, BjornT: how are your reviews going?
[08:12] <jml> I've just bounced the last one of mine.
[08:13] <BjornT> jml: quite good, non are overdue (almost cleared my queue yesterday)
[08:13] <jml> sweet
[08:13] <jamesh> jml: okay.  I've also got to mentor-review a few of jtv's ones
[08:14] <jml> that segues neatly into the next item
[08:14] <jml> == Proposal: needs-mentoring ==
[08:14] <jml> I get the feeling that this agenda wasn't updated last week.
[08:14] <jml> Has this been resolved at all? The thread seemed long, inconclusive and slightly bike-sheddy.
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[08:15] <BjornT> that's right, and no progress has been made since the last meeting.
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[08:16] <jml> ok. Probably the thing to do is to get Barry to make a decision and we can go with that.
[08:17] <jml> (Barry is review team lead, right?)
[08:17] <spiv> I agree.  Pretty much all the interesting points I can think of have already been discussed, so it just needs someone to make a decision.
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[08:17] <jml> excellent.
[08:18] <jml> == Mentoring update ==
[08:18] <jml> everyone here except me is a mentor -- how's it going?
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[08:18] <BjornT> i'm not a mentor
[08:19] <jml> oops.
[08:19] <spiv> Busy all of a sudden :)
[08:19] <jml> spiv: haha
[08:20] <jml> I have nothing else to say.
[08:20] <spiv> Nothing much for me to remark on though, it seems to be going smoothly enough.
[08:21] <jml> Oh, I see there were actions from the last meeting, but none of them concern anyone present.
[08:21] <jml> spiv: good to hear :)
[08:21] <jml> Please take a look at them now so you know how to deal with our next segment.
[08:21] <jml> == Any other business? ==
[08:21] <thumper> nope
[08:22] <jml> excellent
[08:22] <jml> 5
[08:22] <jml> 4
[08:22] <jml> 3
[08:22] <jml> 2
[08:22] <jml> 1
[08:22] <jml> = Meeting ends =
[08:22] <thumper> jml: thanks, and don't forget the minutes :)
[08:22] <jml> Thank you all for coming
[08:22] <jml> thumper: I shan't
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[08:24] <lifeless> thanks jml 
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[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153189 in launchpad "Visiting +retry-url does not retry build" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153189
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[08:32] <carlos> morning
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[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153199 in malone "No indication of quality of service for addressing/closing a project's bug reports" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153199
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[10:09] <baijum> Hi
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[10:10] <baijum> Is it possible to disable Launchpad Janitor ?
[10:10] <mwhudson> baijum: it is disabled
[10:10] <mwhudson> the recent run was a mistake
[10:10] <baijum> mwhudson, ok, thanks !
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[10:22] <soren> Did the details portlet get removed from edge.lp.net/~whoever/+participation get removed today or have I just not noticed it before?
[10:23] <soren> er...
[10:23] <soren> Bah, you know what I mean :)
[10:23] <Fujitsu> soren: You mean the person details?
[10:23] <soren> Yup
[10:24] <Fujitsu> I'm sure it was there a few days ago. It looks empty now, I guess 'cause it's all green.
[10:24] <mpt> soren, it was removed in the past day
[10:24] <soren> mpt: Mkay..
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[10:29] <soren> I've heard rumors that there is a way to fetch the contents of a portlet on launchpad without having to fetch the entire page.. Could someone fill me in on this?
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[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153230 in soyuz "/~person/+packages times out even for people without any uploads" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153230
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[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153250 in malone "Disable bug expirations for a project" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153250
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #153251 in launchpad "Please add foaf:nick to team RDF" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153251
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[01:08] <stu2> intellectronica: How did structural subscription discussions go with Mark?
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[01:09] <intellectronica> stub: why here?
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[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #153258 in launchpad "Delete Google search results concerning your name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153258
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[01:43] <mwhudson> now _that's_ a wtf type bug
[01:44] <mwhudson> report
[01:44] <Ng> hehe, yeah
[01:44] <Ng> I put my name on a website and now the web can see it!
[01:44] <Ng> I recommend having a name that's absurdly popular :)
[01:46] <mwhudson> heh
[01:47] <mwhudson> the suggested solution is also quality
[01:47] <mwhudson> oh, hm
[01:47] <mwhudson> i misread that bit
[01:54] <ddaa> well
[01:55] <ddaa> it's true that launchpad is a very effective googlebomb
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[01:55] <ddaa> I believe the real problem is the multiple hosts
[01:56] <ddaa> people get one google hit for launchpad.net, one for bugs.launcphad.net, one for answers.launchpad.net, one for code.launchpad.net, one for translations.launchpad.net, and one for blueprints.launchpad.net
[01:56] <ddaa> if they only got one hit, they probably would not mind that much
[01:56] <ddaa> See: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=Felix+Heinonen
[01:57] <ddaa> The whole first page of google results is the person's page in various facets
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[01:58] <ddaa> it was discussed at length before, and no real conclusion came out
[01:58] <ddaa> in my personal opinion (that does not represent the official position of canonical, launchpad, or any affiliate ;)
[01:58] <ddaa> we should just back out from the "multiple hostnames" scheme
[01:59] <kiko> !
[02:08] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get LP admin to change owner of a team if the owner had removed himself from team (also been gone for months) change owner to me(as im the only admin for the team atm) so i can make a few other admins
[02:09] <kiko> gnomefreak, which team is it?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[02:09] <gnomefreak> kiko: also https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozilla-bugs
[02:10] <gnomefreak> same situation
[02:14] <kiko> gnomefreak, done.
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[02:16] <gnomefreak> ty
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[02:44] <kiko> LaserJock, siretart: ping
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hiya kiko 
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[02:53] <kiko> I'm back :)
[02:53] <Hobbsee> what, already?
[02:54] <kiko> yeah, it was only 2 days
[03:00] <siretart> kiko: pong
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[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153299 in launchpad "please provide printable view or PDF export for Answers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153299
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[03:36] <kiko> wow, PDF export!
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[03:38] <intellectronica> we could just export as latex and let the users process it :)
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[03:54] <evarlast> 0nice
[03:54] <evarlast> LaTeX <3
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[04:06] <ddaa> LaTeX is sooo last-century
[04:07] <ddaa> Maybe export to ReST, or some ML that can be converted to LaTeX.
[04:08] <mwhudson> <Socks> What should rt do with HTML mail?
[04:08] <mwhudson> <doop> Send a reply in DVI
[04:09] <mwhudson> hm, that wasn't quite as appropriate as i remembered :)
[04:09] <mwhudson> still a good quote...
[04:09] <Spads> ddaa: reST needs a way to generate PDFs without going via LaTeX
[04:09] <Spads> ddaa: it'd be nice if it could generate scribus files or something
[04:10] <ddaa> Spads: I can only concur with that. The beauty of using an intermediate code such as ReST is that we can make it Someone Else's Problem.
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[04:13] <siretart> ddaa: sssh, it is still popular in academics ;)
[04:13] <ddaa> siretart: I used to be a core dev of http://www.texmacs.org
[04:15] <siretart> uh, impressive :)
[04:16] <ddaa> I mean, I know a lot about LaTeX prevalence in academia, since this project is (among other thing) a competitor of LaTeX.
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[04:20] <ddaa> In some fields, journals and book editors will require articles to be LaTeX documents using some custom stylesheet.
[04:20] <ddaa> Other fields are married to MS/Word.
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[04:23] <ddaa> Also, scientists find a (pervert IMO) pleasure mastering TeX/LaTeX arcana. So I do not expect those niches are going to migrate away from LaTeX, ever.
[04:23] <siretart> indeed
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[04:24] <ddaa> By the time people get into decision-making positions they have a thorough Stockholm syndrom with LaTeX.
[04:26] <Spads> it's basically sendmail all over again
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[04:34] <ddaa> Do not get me wrong. LaTeX was revolutionary, 30 years ago.
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[04:36] <ddaa> But even Leslie Lamport said that the future should be LaTeX-like structured documents with TeX-grade rendering in a WYSIWYG fashion.
[04:37] <ddaa> The current situation is largely a consequence of MS/Word dominance, causing stagnation in word-processing technology.
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[05:09] <evarlast> You all are crazy. LaTeX is just wonderful.
[05:10] <evarlast> As an end user, I'd rather write LaTeX markup than wrestle with MS Word or Open Office Writer. I tend to loose those wrestling matches and win with LaTeX
[05:10] <ddaa> Agreed.
[05:10] <ddaa> The MS/Word-like editing paradigm sucks big time. 
[05:11] <ddaa> The LaTeX-like structured document paradigm is vastly superior.
[05:11] <ddaa> They just both suck in different ways.
[05:11] <mwhudson> nevertheless latex still sucks
[05:11] <mwhudson> maybe just not as much :)
[05:11] <intellectronica> latex is great. anything else i know is a compromise on quality
[05:12] <ddaa> TeX's design dates from a time where computers were a lot smaller and a lot more expensive than they are today.
[05:12] <ddaa> intellectronica: give TeXmacs a shot.
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[05:12] <ddaa> Today, we can do structured AND beautiful AND WYSIWYG.
[05:13] <intellectronica> ah yes, i remember giving it a try a few years ago and it was pretty good. these days i don't tend to produce many printable documents anyway
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i'm going to love the day when launchpad gives me automatic debdiffs between releases, wiki-style.
[05:21] <evarlast> I just don't see how LaTeX "sucks". It is what it is. It is an SGML for document publication. Its NOT a WYSIWYG editor and it isn't supposed to me.
[05:22] <ddaa> evarlast: the only think that can RELIABLY parse LaTeX documents is TeX.
[05:22] <ddaa> it's not a markup language
[05:22] <mwhudson> evarlast: have you looked at the source to xypic?
[05:22] <ddaa> it's not structured, it just gives the _illusion_ of structure, and people who know TeX love to break the abstraction.
[05:23] <ddaa> I know that first-hand from working on a project which critically needs good latex import and export filters. And that's a horrible problem.
[05:24] <ddaa> It allows, even invite, people to mix logical and physical markup.
[05:24] <ddaa> oops, I ranted again.
[05:25] <evarlast> ddaa: I like rants. It is cool. I'd argue that it IS a markup language. It may not be deterministic.
[05:25] <ddaa> In short, LaTeX is NOT a document format. It's a programming language.
[05:25] <evarlast> ah!  I hate physical markup in ANY system.
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[05:27] <ddaa> evarlast: okay, then we agree. LaTeX sucks as a markup language because it cannot be reliably parsed, and it's tied to TeX which, by design, cannot be made WYSIWYG.
[05:27] <ddaa> The notion that it's not possible to be both WYSIWYG and structured is incorrect. But the way LaTeX sucks at WYSIWYG and the way conventional word processors suck at structured cause this notion to survive.
[05:27] <evarlast> as long as we still agree that LaTeX is pretty awesome ;)
[05:28] <ddaa> It's legacy. Document writing needs to move into the 21st century.
[05:29] <jtv> Forsooth, thou art on crack!
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[05:29] <ddaa> There's nobody named Forsooth in this channel.
[05:29] <jtv> Sigh.  Trust me to get the guy who doesn't know his classical English.  :-)
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[06:19] <Odd_Bloke> Although this is _so_ one hour ago, I use LyX for the majority of my LaTeX needs. :)
[06:25] <LaserJock> kiko: pong
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[08:19] <bigjools> lamont: hi
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[08:53] <lamont> bigjools: howdy
[08:53] <bigjools> hey lamont - your chroot fix suggestion worked like a charm, thanks!
[08:54] <bigjools> lamont: would you be able to make me new chroots with that change for all our active distroarchseries?
[08:56] <lamont> all as in _ALL_?
[08:56] <lamont> and yes, i can do that
[08:57] <bigjools> yes - we're ditching the pocketchroot concept in favour of one chroot per d-a-s
[08:57] <bigjools> and the slave scanner will tell it which pockets it can use, as we talked about yesterday
[08:57] <lamont> ah, and LP will just force sources.list to what it should be>?
[08:58] <bigjools> yup
[08:58] <lamont> cool.  because, for instance, -security probably shouldn't be using -updates
[08:58] <bigjools> yeah, it doesn't in the new code :)
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[08:58] <lamont> woot!
[08:59] <lamont> so... give me one collection of tarballs on chinstrap, and I'll give you a replacement set.
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[08:59] <lamont> oh...
[08:59] <lamont> hrm.
[08:59] <lamont> does the overrides append to sources.list, or force it completely?
[08:59] <bigjools> see here for the deps we're using:
[08:59] <bigjools> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-October/002486.html
[09:00] <bigjools> it forces it completely
[09:01] <lamont> ok.  needed feature: there must be a way to add a non-LP archive to sources.list for bootstrapping purposes.  for bonus points, it should be painfully obvious that such a thing has happened.
[09:01] <lamont> maybe a -bootstrap pocket, which then gets the results, and can be forced for the actual build... anyway, we'll need to hammer that bit of things out.
[09:01] <bigjools> that could be arranged
[09:01] <bigjools> yeah
[09:02] <bigjools> cprov: can you grab all the active release pocketchroots for lamont and put them on chinstrap please?
[09:03] <cprov> bigjools: gutsy or all supported atm ?
[09:03] <lamont> for example, if you look in sources.list.{mult,un}iverse on several of the gutsy chroots right now, you'll find that they also look at sanae/~lamont/bootstrap (which is how we got mlton and icedtea-java7 into gutsy *verse), and that the hppa chroot fully looks at sanae/~lamont/gutsy-stage0 (bootstrapping hppa into LP)
[09:03] <bigjools> cprov: we'll need all active d-a-s when this code goes live
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[09:05] <bigjools> this is going to be a lot of chroots, but look on the bright side, it's a lot LESS in the end :)
[09:05] <bigjools> or fewer, I should say
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[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #153395 in malone "E-mail interface refuses tags with "-" in their name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153395
[09:40] <bigjools> lamont: cprov has put the chroots on chinstrap for you
[09:40] <bigjools> chinstrap:~cprov/current_chroots/*
[09:40] <bigjools> thanks very much for helping
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[09:53] <thumper> morning
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[10:13] <evarlast> can I get lauchpad cloak?
[10:14] <Odd_Bloke> "ircname  : fuk" .
[10:14] <kiko> !
[10:14] <evarlast> I can change that if need be.
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[10:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #153406 in launchpad "feeds template doctype is incorrect" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153406
[10:31] <jtv> mpt: I guess that's my cue to go to bed.  Have a good one!
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[10:34] <ScottK> Would someone please explain to me what this information is supposed to mean? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/pyspf/+packaging
[10:36] <kiko> ScottK, that Ubuntu pyspf is packaged from upstream PySPF?
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #153407 in launchpad "feeds template needs info about date a bug was made private" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153407
[10:36] <ScottK> kiko: We get it in Ubuntu from Debian.
[10:36] <ScottK> There is an uptsream eventually, but not directly.
[10:36] <kiko> ScottK, which in turn gets its code from upstream pyspf
[10:36] <ScottK> Right.
[10:37] <kiko> it doesn't matter if it's direct or not
[10:37] <ScottK> But that doesn't actually point to anything.
[10:37] <ScottK> And it can't be removed.
[10:37] <kiko> why would you remove it?
[10:37] <ScottK> Because it doesn't point to anything meaninful.
[10:37] <kiko> ScottK, it actually does. it includes the homepage to the upstream project
[10:38] <kiko> and if the upstream project had a code repo or a bug tracker
[10:38] <ScottK> Where?  I don't see any links on that page?
[10:38] <kiko> it would also allow further functionality
[10:38] <kiko> do you mean https://edge.launchpad.net/pyspf?
[10:38] <kiko> I think you're just confused by the poor UI in +packaging
[10:38] <ScottK> No.  That's not the upstream.
[10:39] <kiko> ScottK, really?
[10:39] <ScottK> I'm one of the upstream maintainers (in addition to an Ubuntu dev) and I"ve never seen that before.
[10:39] <kiko> how interesting
[10:39] <ScottK> Upstream is on Sourceforge
[10:39] <kiko> so that may be an honest mistake then.
[10:39] <kiko> what's the URL?
[10:39] <ajmitch> registered by Registry Administrators
[10:39] <kiko> (to the project)?
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[10:40] <ScottK> kiko: It's part of this project: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pymilter/
[10:41] <kiko> ScottK, okay, I'll fix it up.
[10:42] <ScottK> kiko: How is it that random incorrect data like this gets filled in?
[10:43] <ScottK> An "Assume all projects use Launchpad" model doesn't seem likely to have a very high accuracy.
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[10:45] <kiko> ScottK, it gets filled in when people notice unlinked packages, and it gets fixed when people complain. that's actually a pretty effective process.
[10:45] <kiko> for most packages the information is correct
[10:46] <kiko> and given that you've complained for this instance, we're improving accuracy as we speak :)
[10:46] <ScottK> I'd have preferred just to be able to remove the wrong information.
[10:46] <ScottK> That would have sucked up a lot less of my time and still been an improvement.
[10:46] <kiko> ScottK, that's a known bug. blame salgado for not fixing it for 1.1.10! :)
[10:46] <kiko> (I had scheduled it)
[10:46] <ScottK> OK.  Is it in 1.1.11?
[10:47] <kiko> seriously 1.1.10 was tricky because of ubuntu and shipit 
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[10:47] <salgado> what's the bug/spec?
[10:47] <ScottK> In other news, I'm still seeing launchpad janitor closing bugs.  I thought it was stopped?
[10:48] <kiko> salgado, deleting packaging?
[10:48] <kiko> ScottK, it was a crontab typo, fixed again, will be reverted.
[10:48] <ScottK> OK.  When is the reversion planned to happen?
[10:50] <ScottK> kiko: I also just noticed that the description/home page on https://edge.launchpad.net/pyspf come from an old (Dapper/Edgy) package description.  That's probably part of the error source.
[10:52] <kiko> ScottK, hmmm. but the ubuntu package has always come from pymilter?
[10:53] <ScottK> No.  The homepage for the project used to be the one listed, but since Feisty it's been pymilter
[10:53] <ScottK> The package has always come from Debian or Pymilter though.
[10:53] <kiko> okay
[10:54] <kiko> so for dapper and edgy it used to be pyspf (standalone) and from Feisty onwards it's packaged from pymilter. is that correct?
[10:55] <ScottK> Yes.
[10:55] <ScottK> Sort of
[10:56] <ScottK> It's a separate package within the pymilter project on sourceforge
[10:57] <kiko> ScottK, all in a single upstream SVN (or CVS) repository?
[10:58] <ScottK> Yes (cvs).  Pymilter itself is also in Gutsy, FYI.
[10:58] <kiko> gotcha.
[10:59] <kiko> this is interesting and useful; I have a discussion to raise with mark now.
[11:02] <ScottK> OK.  Well good luck.
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[11:14] <lamont> cprov-afk: I wonder if we could populate all the unbuilt gutsy packages into gutsy-proposed. :-)
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[11:15] <cprov-afk> lamont: it's not possible, it will require new uploads.
[11:15] <lamont> ah, ok.
[11:16] <lamont> spoilsport
[11:16] <lamont> :-)
[11:16] <lamont> it wasn't a completely serious idea, of course.
[11:16] <lamont> anyway, afk
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #153417 in soyuz "PoolFileOverwriteError on publishing vlc and pkgsel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/153417
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