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demortesjoebobjoe: Hi... need something?01:18
IanLiuHow do I switch desktops flipping that 3D Cube?01:18
joebobjoeberyl right?01:18
demortesjoebobjoe: Gutsy has Compiz preinstalled01:19
joebobjoeoh01:19
joebobjoehow do you use it01:19
demortesIanLiu: As far as I know, you can either hold down cntrl+alt+ and an arrow key01:19
IanLiuhmm01:19
demortesor hold down cntrl+alt and click and drag your mouse, should put all desktops on a cube01:19
nickruddemortes: you could add -v to the first line, then sudo invoke-rc.d hal , that will echo all the lines as they are executed, you can get an idea of where it's failing01:19
nickruddemortes: first line of /etc/init.d/hal that is01:20
demortesnickrud: Add -v to init.d itself?01:20
IanLiuctrl + alt + drag didnt work01:20
IanLiu=p01:20
nickruddemortes: see last line :)01:20
demortesnickrud: Ah01:20
demortesnickrud: Heh01:20
pawallsAny chance the nfs-utils regression (nosharecache ordeal) is going to be corrected before gutsy releases?01:20
joebobjoedemortes: how do i use compiz01:21
demortesjoebobjoe: If it's not that, then I don't know.01:21
demortesjoebobjoe: I was going off of expierence with beryl, what to try, nothing guaranteed01:21
demortesnickrud: I'm in /etc/init.d/hal and the first line is the #/bin/sh or whatever01:22
demortesadd it to THAT line?01:22
mc44IanLiu: you need to enable the cube01:22
gnomefreaki think he meant first uncommented line01:22
demortesgnomefreak: Which is a path line01:22
nickruddemortes: yes01:23
gnomefreakdemortes: im not looking at it right now but -v is for verbose so adding that would print out more info01:23
gnomefreakbut im assuming its the first line weather a path or not01:23
demortesnickrud: Yes one what, the #! line?01:23
fryguyhow do I change my mouse cursor?01:23
TixerI tried what you said about changing the group and user ID with CHOWN, and now I get a different error01:24
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Tixer"Could not parse XSLT file"01:24
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demortesOdly enough, I manually start it, it starts01:24
nickruddemortes: yes, add it after the /bin/sh , -v will cause it to be 'verbose'01:25
TixerWhat's an XSLT file, and why do I want it parsed?01:25
demortesNevermind, it's verbose, but still fails to load01:25
nickruddemortes: you'll have to read thru the output, see where it fails01:25
demortesnickrud: That's where I'm gonna get confused... it seems to go through it all, it actualy tries to LAUNCH hald01:26
nickruddemortes: yes, that's what it does01:26
demortesnickrud: How do I scroll up in a tty?01:26
nickruddemortes: shift page-up01:26
TixerWhat's an XSLT file, and why do I want it parsed?01:27
demortesnickrud: Try again, not working01:27
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IanLiuAnd how can I enable cube?01:27
nickruddemortes: should, but it's not here either. try sudo invoke-rc.d hal | less, you can page through that01:28
macogwhahah my dev of OSS teacher is explaining IRC and how it can be confusing with the multi-threaded conversations01:28
demortesnickrud: Just says starting, and no errors01:30
nickrudTixer: http://www.w3schools.com/xsl/xsl_intro.asp01:30
demortesnickrud: Hold on, let me recreate the errors01:30
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nickrudmacogw: and you're multitasking here and there ;001:30
nickrudIanLiu: system-prefs-advanced desktop settings, look for the cube01:31
macogwnickrud: i do this in every class :P01:31
demortesnickrud: Says "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"01:31
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nickruddemortes: ok, that means that somewhere in there, a command came back with an error, which should be visible in the output01:32
demortesnickrud: With -v? It returns nothing.01:32
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macogwnickrud: he's pointing out that sometimes you'll go "hey $person, do you know $thing?" and someone else will reply instead and that it's acceptable01:33
kevinOhello anyone having update problems with audacious01:33
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macogwi think it's amusing to hear someone describe irc01:34
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nickruddemortes: no output at all? It should echo every line01:34
demortesnickrud: Hold on01:34
garuhi everyone01:34
mrjmacogw, multiplayer notepad?01:34
jackuesshi you guys01:34
jackuessi have somewhat of a sittuation01:34
kevinOim getting this error while trying to apply the updates: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/audacious plugins_1.3.5-3ubuntu3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so', which is also in package audacious-plugins-extra01:34
jackuessim trying to upgrade to gutsy01:34
jackuessbut the upgrade-manager froze up on me01:35
macogwmrj: what?01:35
nomasteryodakevinO, just sudo aptitude remove audacious-plugins-extra01:35
nomasteryodathen restart the update01:35
nickruddemortes: I gotta in like 10 min01:35
kevinOok ill do that01:35
nickruddemortes: *go01:35
macogwmrj: he's describing irc01:35
nomasteryodaworked fine for me just now01:35
demortesnickrud: Well, I'm no further than what I was.01:35
IanLiuCould someone manage to make sound works?01:35
macogwand /msg and ping and all that01:36
TixerCan someone help me with setting up Icecast?01:36
mrjheh01:36
unaffiliateTixer : I wish i could01:36
demortesnickrud: It echos everything, however it all looks normal. The last line is esac01:36
unaffiliate:P~~~~~~~~`~`01:36
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nomasteryodaTixer, i'm sure someone will help01:36
peepsalotoh man, 3 days i'm so stoked01:36
kevinOnomasteryoda: it says its going to remove 361 mb of programs01:36
nomasteryodaif you remove one program?01:37
nomasteryodahang on01:37
kevinOyeah01:37
jackuessevery thing seems pretty fucked up, is there any chance to solve it without having to re-install01:37
cafuegoWhat are you trying to remove? libc6?01:37
nickruddemortes: then I'm not sure what else to suggest, I've usually been able to track down issues with that01:37
nomasteryodaand you tried this on console? "sudo aptitude remove audacious-plugins-extra"01:37
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kevinOnomasteryoda:  http://pastebin.com/m7cd09cd301:38
nomasteryodak01:38
demortesnickrud: Wish I could copy and paste to a pastebin01:38
kevinOdemortes why cant you01:38
demorteskevinO: I'm in a text only mode, no mouse, etc01:39
nickruddemortes: install pastebinit , it will paste from a console01:39
kevinOoh crappy01:39
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cafuegoplus, gpm works fine in a console.01:39
nomasteryodakevinO, try sudo apt-get remove audacious-plugins-extra and then lets see what it says01:39
garuhi everyone01:39
nickrudeven coexists with X nicely now01:39
demortesnickrud: How do I use it? cmd >> pastebinit?01:40
garuis there any other release after the beta one?01:41
nickruddemortes: cmd | pastebinit01:41
demortesnickrud: It says it's missing args01:41
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nomasteryodakevinO, any luck?01:42
nickruddemortes: there's a man page, (I really hate saying that, but I gotta go, end of work day meeting)01:42
cafuegopastebinit --help01:42
nickruddemortes: there's much smarter people hanging around right now, restate your problem :)01:42
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gnomefreaknickrud: still on the install file failure?01:42
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demortescafuego: I'm typing sudo dpkg --configure hal | pastebinit and it gives me the output of pastebinit -help01:45
cafuegothen i suggest you're not using pastebinit correctly and should read that help.01:45
demortescafuego: I AM! It says to pass -i or pipe the text01:45
cafuegoSo dpkg isn't writing to stdout?01:46
demortescafuego: I see it on my screen without the pipe01:46
cafuegodemortes: redirect dpkg outto file, the pastbinit the file.01:46
cafuegodemortes: If it's stderr and not stdout, that won't matter.01:46
demortescafuego: It must be on stderr01:47
kevinOnomasteryoda: http://pastebin.com/m5eea3ba6 sorry bout that talking to mom on the phone01:47
demortescafuego: Cause it didn't redirect to a file either01:47
cafuegoOk.01:47
cafuego sudo dpkg --configure hal 2>&1 | pastebinit01:47
nomasteryodakevinO, np01:47
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nomasteryodabe glad you still have one to talk to //// =D01:48
kevinO:)01:48
demortescafuego: Did it, and now it gives me nothing, not even a prompt01:48
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cafuegodemortes: Still pasting , probably01:49
Kewlbis there a bug with kbuntu and the knetworkmanager or whatever the program was01:49
Kewlbwanted to see how the K desktop + Compiz was gonna look and work -- replaced my stable ubuntu (fiesty) install with Kbuntu 7.10 and no network01:49
Kewlbno matter what I do I can not get my wirelesscard up01:50
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demortescafuego: It's only like 3 pages of text, lots of whitespace, would it take this long?01:50
cafuegodemortes: if the pastebin is down, yes.01:50
frank23Kewlb: if you right-click knetworkmanager what do you see?01:50
demortescafuego: I give up.01:50
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Kewlblet me move this laptop over to that one01:50
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demortescafuego: I'll reinstalled Feisty, at least that worked partially01:50
cafuegodemortes: When run without pastebinit, does dpkg require user input?01:50
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demortescafuego: No01:51
demortescafuego: Says problem with post installation script for hal01:51
frank23Kewlb: I had problems whit knetworkmanager. turned out i just wasn't using it right01:51
demortescafuego: The verbose says nothing.01:51
cafuegoHmm. Well, you can use strace and see what it's doing.01:51
Kewlbok next to it now01:51
Kewlblet me see01:51
Kewlbgonna reboot just to bring it back up01:51
demortescafuego: In a text only mode... I can't even see that much text :P01:52
Kewlbits an Intel PROset Wireless in a Dell Inspiron laptop01:52
cafuegoWhy wouldn't you be able to use strace on a console?01:52
demortescafuego: Lots of text, and I'm stupid :P01:52
demortescafuego: I did strace sudo dpkg --configure hal01:53
demortescafuego: Nothing obvious01:53
cafuegoIf there is lots of output, it's doing stuff01:53
Kewlball I want is a good desktop (K) + Compiz and a good term emulator like SecureCRT for windows and i'd be set ;)01:53
cafuegodemortes: Yes, I see. I meant, strace connect to the pastebinit script.01:53
demortescafuego: Ah, it errors out, connection timed out01:53
frank23Kewlb: not sure if compiz works great on kubuntu.01:54
demortescafuego: The pastebin script...01:54
cafuegoOk, that's okay (not good, but normal) then.01:54
cafuegodemortes: Just redirect stdrr to file, then use lynx to pastebin01:54
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demortescafuego: I spent about 4 hours fixing computers that don't NEED to be fixed.... so, I think I'm done for the day01:54
demortescafuego: I wouldn't even know how to do that01:54
Kewlbok, I have the network config tool up01:54
Kewlblists my eth0 and eth1 interfaces (eth0 disabled its wired)01:55
frank23Kewlb: you mean in kde system settings or knetworkmanager on the taskbar?01:55
KewlbI go to config interface on eth1, set it up for manual and set it as 192.168.2.110/24 as ip 192.168.2.255 broad, 192.168.2.1 as gateway01:55
cafuego sudo dpkg --configure hal 2>&1 > file.txt01:55
Kewlbsetup my WEP key (128bit, hex)01:55
cafuegolynx http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org01:56
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cafuegoMove cursor to the text field, hit ctrl-e ctrl-e, load file.txt, save, submit.01:56
Kewlbclick ok then apply01:56
izm99alt+shift+tab doesn't work on the compiz switcher.  and I can't seem to assign it.01:56
demortescafuego: I don't think it'd help you01:56
KewlbI click the apply button and it says the default gateway ip address is invalid01:56
demortescafuego: It's not putting the verbose output into it01:57
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dwezelGutsy is amazing!  Really amazed at the jump from fiesty01:58
demortesdwezel: Tease01:58
frank23Kewlb: not sure what to do01:58
nomasteryodadwezel, it was more work than we know01:58
nomasteryodabut very good it is01:58
frank23Kewlb: what do you mean by 192.168.2.255 broad?01:59
Kewlbin a /24 based on 2 as the last network portion of the octet the broadcast of the final octet will be 25501:59
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Kewlbie 192.168.2.255 is the broadcast for network 192.168.2.0/2402:00
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frank23Kewlb: well you know more about this that me ;)   i don't really know what a subnet mask is02:00
GreevousI've been having lots of problems with Compiz in gutsy; are these guaranteed to be fixed by Thursday's release?02:01
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frank23Greevous: not that much will change between now and release02:01
demortesfrank23: I hope so, cause I wont be able to upgrade at this rate, I'm about to take a shotgun to my computer02:01
Kewlbhow can you help if you do not know basic networking?02:02
frank23demortes: or have a little patience and wait till things stabilize with gutsy02:02
dwezelreally?  I have been using Compiz with everything turned on and so far 0 problems02:02
demortesKewlb: Basic networking is not subnet masks02:02
Kewlboh yes it is02:02
Greevousfrank23: how would I find out if and when Compiz intends to fix these?02:02
demortesKewlb: Oh no it isn't, DHCP, and home use applications are basic networking02:03
avatar__Hello, I've been having some installation issues with gusty that I was hoping to get some advice on02:03
demortesKewlb: Subnet masks are more for business application.02:03
demortesKewlb: You know, thousands of computers02:03
Kewlbdoesn't have to be02:03
dwezelhaven't tried yet, but curious... can Compiz be turned on in when running Ubuntu as a guest OS under vmware?02:04
dwezelubuntu = Gutsy02:05
Kewlbmaybe that is the reason the program is broken02:05
Kewlba programmer who lacks the very basic understanding of how IP actually works02:05
dwezelI guess more to the point.... does Gutsy see the Vmware svga as an accelerated graphi9cs adapter?02:05
basculeno02:06
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unaffiliateTake care guyz02:07
unaffiliate:)02:07
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OneLazyRussianwoohoo finally fixed my install02:08
OneLazyRussian:)02:08
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borovy3488gnomefreak: are you still here?02:08
gnomefreakborovy3488: not long02:08
gnomefreakim trying to get away whats up?02:08
borovy3488gnomefreak: ok, I got an error during the upgrade02:09
gnomefreakborovy3488: and it is?02:09
borovy3488gnomefreak: Setting up tzdata (2007f-3ubuntu1) ...02:09
borovy3488dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):02:09
borovy3488 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1002:09
Kewlbheck02:09
borovy3488Errors were encountered while processing:02:09
borovy3488 tzdata02:09
borovy3488E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)02:09
Kewlbthe default Kbuntu network tool does not even support WPA-PSK / TKIP02:09
gnomefreakborovy3488: pastebin please02:10
dwezelHow do you disable a keyboard shortcut?02:10
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borovy3488gnomefreak: you want the whole thing in the pastebin02:10
gnomefreakborovy3488: dont know what the error is02:10
gnomefreaktry sudo dpkg --configure -a02:10
borovy3488ok02:10
gnomefreaki have to go02:10
gnomefreaknight02:10
dwezelHmmm the keyboard shortcuts is broke... pressing space doesnt clear the shortcut.02:11
borovy3488gnomefreak: still gave the same error02:11
borovy3488dang. can anyone else help me with an upgrade error on tzdata?02:11
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dwezelok nm... damn I can't follow instructions very well02:13
brianskiis it just me or does booting without usplash not work in RC?02:13
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Kewlbok02:14
Kewlbfigured it out02:14
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Kewlbthe "routes" page should really be for actual ip routes and not defining a default gateway since that is already in the network adapter page.02:14
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jerbeari've just done a fresh install of gutsy, and i have a luks drive that i want to add to the system (already encrypted and ready). what's the best way to do this?02:19
defishguyEvening everyone.  Does anyone know if someone has been successful in getting the ipod touch syncing yet?02:20
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lee_hello02:20
nomasteryodahowdy lee_ ... glad to see you made it back02:21
lee_lol, well not sure for how long Iam testig a theory02:21
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cafuegodefishguy: I'm pretty sure the gtkpod guys have something in svn that can handle 'em02:21
lee_I have been having issues with the 64 bit ATI drivers how ever the 32 end works ok.02:22
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cafuegolee_: Yes, that's a longstanding quality issue with the closed ati drivers,.02:22
defishguyI'll have to check out today's build.  I haven't had any luck thus far.  Damn thing looks like a camera card to Gutsy.02:22
lee_lol yeah, well any how I have an radeon x 300, I had fiesty fawn so waht I did was laoded the drivers to fiesty, then upgraded to gutsy, next thing I new I had ati running smoothly02:23
lee_so Iam going to try the same thing in Kunbuntu02:24
lee_only in the 64 bit02:24
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lee_my guess is that the 64 bit end is messed up02:24
lee_Ian not sure how ati set it up though02:25
lee_and I am not sure waht not shutiing dow the PC has to do with up grading and having the drivers work fine02:25
lee_I tired it solo with out the up grade, they didnt function02:26
lee_So some where along the lines somethings arye02:26
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lee_So far I had done it 5 sucessfull times doing it that way02:26
caravenaHello, problem with mi lapto. I upgrade of feisty to Gutsy, and not work fine the keyboard.  Howto detect the package with problem?02:26
lee_in 32 bit mode02:26
cafuegolee_: At a guess, ati (th company) set it up "badly" ;-)02:27
lee_yeah..I recently found out I have a 256 meg video card02:27
lee_but the strange thing is that the drivers taht the PC down loads form the sight just lock it up02:28
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cafuegoyeah, they suck. AMD are working on making that better, but that'll take a while I guess.02:28
lee_iam guessing it takes a screwy idea to work screwy drivers lol02:29
cafuegoAt least these days they soemtimes work, back when I bought my 64 bit box the ATI driver didn't even compile on 64bit. So I got an nvidia card. (which works fine, with no problems ever)02:29
boselectacaravena: do you have a funny keyboard?02:30
caravenaI have the laptop02:30
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dmbhai02:30
lee_iam thinking aobut going with nvida, but you any idea at the cost of 256 meg card with DVI out02:30
caravenaboselecta: I have the laptop02:30
boselectayes but is it with a US layout or something funny? what are the symptoms?02:30
cafuegolee_: The older ones are dirt cheap02:31
boselectafor all i know it's an arabic keyboard.02:31
lee_I have a dell dimision 515002:31
nomasteryodaabout $1502:31
lee_and it has a PICe x1602:31
nomasteryodahmm, well then about #3502:31
caravenaboselecta: My language is spanish latin and my keyboard configuration correct.02:31
lee_lol02:32
boselectawhat are the symptoms of your keyboard problem?02:32
caravenaThe problem is not work in minutes...02:32
cafuegoThing is, the nvidia drivers are so much better then the ati ones, a 2 year old 128mb nvidia card will probably perform better ;-)02:32
lee_hmm I didnt try the built in  vga lol02:32
boselectaare you using the laptop right now?02:32
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lee_eh any one know waht dell built in vg runs at, iam guessing probably 8 megs top02:33
lee_or any way to tell?02:34
lee_well I have resatrt lol..02:34
cafuego7200GS from AUD5502:34
lee_sees ya l laters02:34
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lee_maybe02:34
boselectacaravena: i'm trying to understand the problem you're having. can you type anything at all? is your computer frozen?02:35
cafuegoActually, from AUD4502:35
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boselectacaravena: is this it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/15263302:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152633 in hal "[gutsy]  laptop keyboard hangs after (un)plug ac adapter, regression" [Undecided,New] 02:37
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WorkingOnWiseHi all. Are the repos down?02:37
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boselectanot as of about an hour ago02:38
boselectai installed lincity02:38
WorkingOnWiseI just tried to reload and everything failed.02:39
avatar__So what should I try if the installer doesn't find any hard drives?  Dapper is on there now and works fine02:39
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WorkingOnWiseavatar_ It foinds no drives, or partitions?02:40
avatar__no drives02:41
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WorkingOnWisereal wierd. Did you reboot and try a 2nd time?02:42
avatar__yeah I've tried a bunch of times02:42
WorkingOnWiseIs this the first time you have tried Gutsy?02:42
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izm99does anyone have any suggestions as to why i can't set alt+shift+tab to Previous Window on the Application Switcher in Compiz?02:43
avatar__no I had the same problem with the beta on both the alternative installer and the live cd02:43
avatar__the live cd boots and runs fine, but it also can't see the drives (like nothing under /dev/disk)02:43
lontraanyone else having issues with X freezing in gutsy?  i have an intel 945 and sometimes (every 4 or 5 logouts) X will just freeze and start flashing.  i am curious if this is the new intel driver.  what's more interesting is that this doesn't happen on this lappy in debian02:44
WorkingOnWisethats StranGe! Look for a bug in launchpad. maybe post one if it isn't there.02:44
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avatar__sigh, yeah thats what I was figuring.02:44
avatar__I suspect that this being a 7-8 year old pc is really where the problem comes from02:44
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caravenaboselecta: I reboot, idem problem02:45
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WorkingOnWiseMust be your mix of hardware is escaping the installer. Oh my, that is old... Have you tried any other Distros with the 2.6.22 kernel?02:45
caravenaOk. Synopsis of problem: I start gnome, open firefox, xchat, pidgin, azureus, etc and work fine.02:46
avatar__no thats probably a good idea though02:46
caravenaboselecta: In minutes mi keyboard not work. Work fine mouse and button of mouse, and FN + N the keyboard02:46
caravenaLetter "abcd...ABCD...123...!" not work.02:47
WorkingOnWiseavatar__ It may be a kernel issue. Try puppy linux 3.01 Small download, good hardware detection, and a 2.6.22 kernel.02:47
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WorkingOnWisethat would tell you if it is an Ubuntu thing or kkernel thing.02:48
avatar__okay I'll download that give it a shot02:48
caravenaboselecta: I now use openbox02:48
WorkingOnWiselemme know how it goes. I am ready to recommend Gutsy to everyone with a mose.02:48
caravena:- (02:49
WorkingOnWisecaravena: in Gnome, right?02:49
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caravenaWorkingOnWise: Yes, in Gnome.02:50
caravenaNow I testing OpenBox...02:51
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WorkingOnWisedo you have SCIM set to change keyboard accessability or something like that?02:51
lee_well well well, my theory for the 32 bit is right02:51
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caravenaWorkingOnWise: Oummm not.02:52
WorkingOnWiselee_: what theory is that?02:52
caravenaI not configure SCIM02:52
caravenaDefault02:52
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avatar__WorkingOnWise: bittorrent for puppylinux anywhere?02:53
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WorkingOnWiseavatar__ not that I know of. It's only 99MB, so I didn't bother.02:53
WorkingOnWisewith a torrent that is.02:54
avatar__okay, thanks02:54
AJ--ei guys how can i fix this >>>W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>02:54
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Angelushi i wanted to know if this is a known bug, or if it is a bug at all: i booted into the RC release of kubuntu gutsy, when i pressed "start or install kubuntu" the kernel loaded, the monitor turned off, it turned on back after 5mins with a blank screen crashed. its on amd64 arch02:56
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caravenaWorkingOnWise: Howto delete/purge information of my home of SCIM?02:56
WorkingOnWisecaravena: I'm out of ideas then. initialy it is fine, then acts up after some time?02:56
WorkingOnWisecaravena: I would do a complete remove in Synaptics02:57
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alpinei am trying to have skype launch upon startup. i added it to the startup list under Sessions, but it is not working. I used command line: skype. using 7.1002:57
caravena"initialy it is fine, then acts up after some time?" Yes! not reproducible.02:57
alpineskype is still not launching on startup02:58
WorkingOnWiseAngelus: did you try the "no apic" kernel option on boot?02:58
Angelusno02:58
Angelushow do i do it?02:58
WorkingOnWiseAngelus: when you see the boot screen, there are instructions at the bottem for what key to press to pass options to the kernel. try "-no apic" without the quotes. My last laptop did the same thing. Once Ubuntu was installed it was fine.03:00
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WorkingOnWisecaravena: does it do it even if you don't log in?03:00
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alpinecould anyone please help with the startup question?03:00
AJ--alpine set start up at ur sessions03:01
Angelus"-no apic" or "no apic" ?03:01
alpineAJ: i already did. it is still not working03:01
alpineAJ: I used command: skype03:01
WorkingOnWiseAngelus: um..it's been a while. Try both. the one that gets you to the desktop is the right one :)03:01
AJ--try to launch ur skype using the terminal03:02
pbxI've kinda-sorta got power management working with my crap-ass old Dell Inspiron 4000. When I hit Fn-Suspend, it does a seemingly orderly suspend and shutdown. When I reboot, it restores, or at least I see my former session onscreen for a second... then it shuts down again. This is repeatable. Is this an achievable goal? Either sleep or hibernate would be fine...03:02
alpineAJ: How do i lanuch skype from the terminal?03:02
AJ--type skype03:02
alpineit's launching through the terminal03:03
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alpineAJ: does that mean that skype is the command line?03:03
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AJ--ok press now press alt+f203:04
Marsly1Is there A "live cd" iso, of gutsy I can d/l?03:04
AJ--then type skype03:04
alpinetype skype where?03:04
alpinein the terminal?03:04
AJ--wen u press alt+f2 run application box will appear03:04
alpineok. i type skype. then what?03:05
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AJ--click run03:05
alpineok, it's running.03:05
AJ--how did u add skype on ur start up03:06
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alpinesystem--pref-sessions-add03:06
dmbwhat is going to happen to people with ati cards that don't work with aiglx?03:06
dmbwill it default to xgl?03:06
AJ--ok on the command box type skype03:06
alpinei did...03:07
AJ--thats it03:07
jerbeari have an nvidia card (using restricted driver) i think an update killed desktop effects... it will no longer enable... what's up?03:07
|neon|ok     i am bit lost here since installing gutsy my ff freezes everytime i go to yahoo games, now java is installed and about:plugins show it to be enable, opera works ok with yahoo games,  i installed swiftfox and yahoo games work ok also now  snce swiftfox and ff are kind of the same why      ff is not working what am i missing03:07
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alpineit does not launch upon startup...03:07
AJ--thats the only thing i did to start skype on start up03:07
alpinethat is why i am here.03:07
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caravenaalpine: Problem idem with openbok03:08
AJ--thats all i can help bro.. im a newbie also03:08
caravena*openbox03:08
alpinecravena: what do you mean?03:08
caravenaalpine: keyboard work fine minutes in Gnome and OpenBox.03:09
jerbearanyone have problems with nvidia and desktop effects?03:09
alpinecaravena: what does that have to do with skype not launching upon startup?03:09
caravenaNot03:10
caravenaI use XGL with Compiz...03:10
caravenaOummm03:10
pbxHm, why am I not shocked that there are not a lot of Dell Inspiron 4000 users.03:10
caravenaProblem with XGL?03:10
alpinecaravena: i do not understand you?03:10
caravenaMy video card is Ati 200m03:10
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jerbeari assume so... when i run compiz, it says xgl is not present03:11
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dylixhello03:11
caravenaalpine: I no use skype03:11
caravena* not03:11
dylixmy bootscreen doesnt work in gusty03:11
dylixdoesnt show a thing til xorg starts03:11
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dylixif i take out splash and quiet i get the console03:12
dylixive tried adding vga=xxx03:12
markelhascan some one help me to config dwl-650M rev 2?03:12
dylixbut no worky :(03:12
markelhasi've isntalled the ndis and load the windows driver but onli link led is active and can't list the pci card03:12
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jerbeardesktop effects and nvidia? anyone?03:13
dylixyes03:14
dylixi use em03:14
dylixworks flawlessly03:14
jerbearfor some reason, mine has stopped working... it WAS working03:15
caravenaI delete xgl and reconfigure xserver-xorg with driver ati (I now use driver privative)03:15
caravenaReboot xserver now...03:15
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AlienXI'm getting the following error when installing the new nvidia drivers: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-new_100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.9_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 203:16
AlienXanyone have any suggestions?03:16
AlienXi looked on the forum without much luck so I figured here might be a better place. Cheers03:17
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ShpookHello everyone03:18
underwatercowDoes anyone know if any changes of occurred, or are going to occur to the beta before it releases?03:18
underwatercowhave*03:18
Hobbseeby now?  nothing, or almost nothing03:18
HobbseeAlienX: look higher for the error.03:18
ShpookI guess I should check to see if a bug has been filed, but is anyone having problems with kernel freezing while using Firefox and scrolling with the scroll wheel03:19
Shpook?03:19
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underwatercowI downloaded the beta and there were like, 400 updates... should that be expected from the final release?03:19
AlienXHobbsee, i was using the gui to install the app and that's all I got from the output03:19
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bur[n] erunderwatercow: yep03:19
underwatercowbur[n] er: thanks03:20
zengenI'm trying to compile easytag with mp4 support, but it keeps asking for libmp4v2.  I have libmp4v2 and libmp4v2-dev installed.  Is it referring to some other package I need?03:20
bur[n] erunderwatercow:  http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml03:20
zengenI was also just told that libmp4 is broken in feisty.  Is it still broken in gutsy?03:20
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dsmith__how are upgrades doing from 7.04 to 7.10?03:20
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pbxdsmith__, golden here03:21
Hobbseezengen: doesnt exist in gutsy.03:21
VadiHi. I'm installing Gutsy right now, but it got stuck on "Scanning the mirror"... can I have it skip this step?03:21
VadiIt's been on it for 15 mins now, doing nothing.03:21
dsmith__pbx: how old is your os?03:21
ShpookI'm enjoying Gutsy so far, only one small minor issure03:21
Hobbseezengen: doesnt exist in any ubuntu release03:21
HobbseeVadi: yeah, you should be able to03:21
Shpookissue*03:21
VadiHow?03:21
pbxdsmith__, what do you mean?03:21
dsmith__when did you install it?03:21
zengenhobbsee: Is it from medibuntu?03:21
dsmith__upgrade from Fiesty?03:21
Hobbseezengen: i have no idea.  i dont use medibuntu03:21
Shpookdsmith: was that addressed to me?03:22
Hobbseelook it up.03:22
pbxdsmith__, are you talking about 7.10? it's not like I installed it on a particular date and stopped. i safe-upgrade every day or two.03:22
AlienXHobbsee, http://pastebin.ca/738138 is the full output from apt03:22
pbxdsmith__, no breakage so far :)03:22
dsmith__hmmmm ok, wel I do that as well..03:22
zengenhobbsee: Okay, thank you.  I'll just get rid of the ones I have and get the source to see if that works.03:22
VadiHobbsee: how can I kick it to continue?03:22
dsmith__last time I went from 6.10 to 7.04 it broke03:22
ShpookSo, has anyone had any problems with the kernel freezing up?03:23
pbxdsmith__, i did install the warn-me-about -bugs-in-stuff-i'm-about-to-install package and that has stopped me from doing an update once or twice.03:23
VadiIt just says "configuring apt" and then "scanning the mirror...". For whatever reason.03:23
pbxdsmith__, i am pretty low maintenance. basically i just keep installing stuff until wifi works :)03:23
stdinzengen: gutsy has libmtp6 in the repos anyway03:23
dsmith__ok03:23
pbxdsmith__, also, i'm using wmii, not Gnome, so I'm not exercising what most people think of at Ubuntu proper03:23
ShpookIt seems like it only freezes up while I'm using firefox, and mostly when I'm using the scroll wheel03:23
dsmith__I just rolled my g/f to fiesty03:23
pbxsounds naughty03:24
dsmith__im kde03:24
VadiOh, actually, nevermind. It just woke up and continued.03:24
dsmith__:P03:24
dsmith__lol03:24
dsmith__pbx: thx for the help03:24
pbxFWIW i found 6.04 not great, 6.10 great, 7.04 not great, 7.10 pretty great so far. in terms of not having to mess with things to have a usable system.03:25
bur[n] er7.04 was not great but 6.10 was? very odd03:25
ShpookI looked through the logs, but didn't see anything. Although, I don't know my way around yet. What log files would I check to see what is causing the system to hang?03:25
caravenaArght!!! Arght!!! problem with driver fglrx : -\03:25
dsmith__7.04 better then 6.10 in my opinion03:25
pbxbur[n] er, i admit i didn't spend a lot of time troubleshooting, i just kept going down the upgrade path.  the OS was fine but some critical HW bits (video or wifi, don't remember which) didn't work right03:26
bur[n] erodd indeed03:26
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bur[n] eras long as 7.10 rocks the casbah, i think we're fine03:26
pbxSeems great to me.03:26
pbxIt's fun installing 50-200MB of updates every day too :)03:27
markelhascan some one help me to config dlink dwl-650M rev 3.0?03:27
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ShpookAnyone? Even just this one answer will help.03:27
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markelhascan some one help me to config dlink dwl-650M rev 3.0?03:28
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bur[n] ermarkelhas: check the wiki?  help.ubuntu.com/community03:29
dsmith__pbx: lol03:30
Hobbsee!wifi | markelhas03:30
ubotumarkelhas: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs03:30
markelhasbur[n] er, i've done that and yesterday i've managed to config ir right after trying many tips. i've reboot my laptop and now can put it to work again :(03:30
bur[n] ermarkelhas: it use ndiswrapper?03:31
markelhasbur[n] er, yes03:31
bur[n] eryou modprobe it?03:31
pbx!wmii03:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wmii - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:31
pbxshame03:31
bur[n] er"sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" from a term will do03:31
markelhasbur[n] er, with the pci card plugin?03:31
bur[n] eruhh... i don't know what you mean by that...03:32
bur[n] erfor the record, i've never used ndiswrapper.  (my hardware doesn't blow nutz in terms of open drivers)03:32
markelhasbur[n] er, should the card connected in the pci bay?03:32
markelhas:(03:32
bur[n] eruhh... is it a pci card?03:33
bur[n] eryou had it working once right?  i'd say it's installed physically corrent if you had it working once03:33
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markelhasbur[n] er, how can i recover it?03:33
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mottiis there any fix for the random freezes?  i just installed gutsy RC and every so often at least 5 or six times in the past 5 hours it has frozen i wait and it doesnt resume03:34
bur[n] ermarkelhas: you modprobe ndiswrapper like i was saying?  you follow the same directions you used before to get it working?03:34
bur[n] eri'd start there03:35
bur[n] ermotti: using compiz?  maybe it's a video card problem and you could use metacity03:35
markelhasbur[n] er, i've done that so many times that right now i don't now what to do anymore.03:35
bur[n] ermarkelhas: that sucks, i'd find a good resource and bookmark it.  or take notes next time03:36
mottiwell using the compiz-tray-icon i disable it but it still froze03:36
AJ--can i install emerald in gutsy03:36
bur[n] erAJ--: yep03:36
markelhasbur[n] er, the problem is note on the notes. i've done the same steps but this time it doesn't work:(03:36
bur[n] erbummer03:36
bur[n] erif you had it working once, there's hope though03:37
markelhaswhell maybe tomorow i'll some one that can help me03:37
markelhassee u03:37
mottithe keyboard freezes tottaly the capslock and numlock lights dont change, I am using a nvidia 730003:39
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AJ--bur[n] er: i tried to install emerald but it wont install03:40
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bur[n] erAJ--: odd.. it works here03:41
bur[n] erthere is no emerald-themes anymore03:41
bur[n] eronly emerald03:41
AJ--yeah.. and i cant install emerald themes03:42
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_neon_can ne1 tell me the difference between swiftfox and swiftweasel if any thx03:44
erichj_neon_, swiftfox isn't being developed anymore, AFAIK. weasel is just the rebranded version for debian03:45
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_neon_erichj: kew lthx,03:47
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sdrevI just did a fresh install of gutsy...is there any reason I don't have an /etc/resolv.conf? I'm not able to connect to the internet (wired or wireless) and I remember from the last time I tried linus (about a year ago) that resolv.conf was kinda important03:51
sdrevlinux*03:51
lee_erg every one in here lol03:51
lee_eh how do i get permissions  or force the sytem to run a script?03:52
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szfsdrev, IIRC resolv.conf is created *when you connect to your ISP*03:54
pwuertzlee_: sudo gives you root permissions03:54
szfso is the hardware, cabling in good working order?03:55
pwuertzlee_: running scripts at specific times is done by cron03:55
sdrevszf: yes, it works fine in XP, same machine03:56
lee_oh duh03:56
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lee_sorry getting a headaache...not thinking erg lol03:56
pwuertzsometimes I had to unplug/plug my network kable on order to get networking using dhcp working03:57
pwuertznetwork manager sometimes "hangs"03:57
szfwhat kind of hardware?03:57
lee_bash: /media/disk/ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run: Permission denied03:57
szf/sbin/ifconfig eth0 sez...03:58
lee_ok wehen i load it from windows an the use it works only after i transfered did it not work03:58
lee_brb loading windows03:58
pwuertzlee_: that does not mean you don't have the permission to run that file... maybe its just the +x flag thats missing03:58
szf/sbin/iwconfig _th0 sez...03:58
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lee_how do I fix that then?03:59
sdrevthis will take a minute....I'm on a different comp and that comp isn't connected to the internet, so I'll have to type it all out03:59
szfwhere the underscore == a, assuming Atheros-based wifi03:59
lee_ah currently using a 64 bit system03:59
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lee_and using fiesty03:59
pwuertzlee_: the problem with non-unix file systems is that the permissions will screw up... whn using FAT, NTFS or CIFS you can't distinguish between +x or -x files04:00
cafuegolee_: sudo sh  /media/disk/ati-driver-installer-8.40.4-x86.x86_64.run04:00
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lee_ok04:00
pwuertzlee_: if its a bash script... which seems to be the case for most .run files04:00
lee_weird it didnt say anything but rather just sat there04:01
sdrevlink encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:45:19:5D:B004:01
sdrevUP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:104:01
sdrevRX packets:59 errors:0 dropped:5861 overruns:0 frame:004:01
sdrevTX packets:0 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:004:01
sdrevcollisions:0 txqueuelen:100004:01
sdrevRX bytes:4650 (4.5 KB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)04:01
sdrevInterrupt:11 Base address:0xd80004:01
lee_erll I guess my theory is corect 64 bit drivers are scewd04:02
lee_not just form the download at ati but from her as ell04:02
pwuertzlee_: why aren't you using the drivers from the repository?04:02
lee_I havnt tried it yet..I cant access the restrcited card to activate it..no Icon for it any hwre04:03
pwuertz!ati04:03
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto04:03
pwuertzha.. I've been waiting for this a long time ^^04:03
lee_waht?04:03
pwuertzusing a ! command04:04
lee_well iam not on gutsy yet can some one access my sytem or tell me how to access the restriced drivers04:04
lee_I tried everything04:05
szfsdrev, is this cable? dsl? other?04:05
sdrevszf cable04:05
pwuertzlee_: the manual includes instructions for any ubuntu version from breezy to gutsy04:06
szftry ->man 5 interfaces04:06
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szfthat should give helpful assist on tools04:07
KonamAm I getting some blurry icons in the menus?04:07
Konamexcuse me04:07
KonamAm I the only one getting some blurry icons in the menus?*04:08
pwuertzthink so04:08
_neon_are the trevinos repos up?04:09
pwuertzgrr... gnome-appearance-properties taking 100% cpu again04:09
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_neon_pwuertz: how are u measuring cpu usage?04:10
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pwuertz_neon_: by this tiny monitor applet I added to the gnome panel.... or by using the "top" command line tool04:11
_neon_pwuertz: i'm using kubuntu04:12
_neon_can i installed the ubuntu desktop in addition to kubuntu?04:12
pwuertz_neon_: I think so... but kde also has some nice tools for this job04:13
pwuertzi think its called ksysguard04:13
_neon_pwuertz: i'll try that thx04:13
pwuertzor this windows task-manager like thingie04:13
pwuertzI think it will appear when you hit Ctrl+Alt+Del04:13
pwuertzdo not hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, this will kill your Xserver ^^04:14
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caravenaOk masters, my history is "Driver privative ATI + Video card 200m (X300)" is very bad in Gutsy RC : -(. Now with driver ati (free) my keyboard work fine.04:15
pwuertz_neon_: if you want a permanent monitor.. you could add an applet to your kicker-bar... just right-click and add applets... there must be some kind of monitoring applet in the list04:15
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Clinton__what is the sed command for converting all references of feisty to gutsy in sources.list ?04:16
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pwuertzClinton__: "update-manager -cd"04:16
Clinton__k04:16
PirateHeadTwo issues: 1) when can we dist-upgrade to Hairy Hardon, and 2) is there anybody in here who can help me debug sound issues?04:17
Clinton__clinton@clinton-desktop:~$ sudo update-manager -cd04:17
Clinton__Password:04:17
Clinton__sudo: update-manager: command not found04:17
pwuertzif you are actually asking how to upgrade from feisty to gutsy ^^04:17
Clinton__I should mention I'm running Kubuntu 7.04, so perhaps I do'nt have the update-manager?04:17
pwuertzhm.... thats correct04:18
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Clinton__sudo sed -e 's/\sfeisty/ gutsy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list04:19
Arc|Angelhello sorry to bother everyone but i have a problem with gutsy04:19
Clinton__that's what I was looking for....04:19
Clinton__I hope Gutsy has AMD64 support for flash04:19
pwuertzI know some people telling you to replace feisty -> gutsy when upgrading the dist... but I think update-manager is doing some other things too....04:20
Arc|Angeli was in the middle of an upgrade on a spare laptop and now it wont connect to the network through the wireless or the ethernet04:20
Clinton__pwuertz: but if update-manager doesn't even exist on my system, then what?04:20
XsteelWolfis gutsy finalise yet or is it better to wait for the official release date?04:20
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Clinton__XsteelWolf: this Thursday04:20
pwuertzClinton__: did you upgrade a previous kubuntu version?04:21
Clinton__pwuertz: naw, I installed this the other day forgetting about the new version04:21
XsteelWolfyea,but are things finalise yet?04:21
XsteelWolfor is it better to wait till thursday for them to optimise it and fix some bugs etc04:21
Clinton__XsteelWolf: I sure hope so04:21
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pwuertzClinton__: when ubuntu+1 becomes the current version "your update-manager" should inform you about a dist-upgrade04:22
Clinton__AMD64 FLASH IS SUPPORTED!  WOOHOO!  (that is so worth the caps for me, and maybe the kick too)04:22
Clinton__pwuertz: adept sucks as an update manager04:22
ubuntuok onle last time04:22
Arc|Angeli have a bug - tried to use beta so i can test my wireless at school (we use LEAP) and not it wont connect to the network, wireless or ethernet, and wont see any usb drives i plug in04:22
Clinton__pwuertz: CLI is far better any day04:22
Clinton__Arc|Angel: this is after reboot?04:23
ubuntuI have fiesty and iam reloading..its me lee04:23
Arc|Angelyes04:23
Arc|Angelafter reboot04:23
ubuntunow using fiesty the repository should not break my system right?04:23
pwuertzgnash isn't that good... you might get basic flash support... but besides some broken-looking youtube videos.. it doesnt do any good04:23
Clinton__Arc|Angel: Ubuntu has been known to drop support for various wireless gadgets, including my pcmcia wifi card I had for my laptop.  It worked up to 2006.4 and then support was non-existant until 2006.10.  You may be having some simliar issues04:24
Arc|Angelnot just that though04:24
Clinton__pwuertz: I know, gnash sucks, but the package flashplugin-nonfree is now available04:24
Arc|Angelethernet04:24
Arc|Angelno usb device will load04:24
ubuntugreat04:24
pwuertzClinton__: but it isn't 64bit04:24
sdrevArc|Angel: what kind of laptop do you have?04:25
Clinton__pwuertz: I don't need 64bit optimization in my browser04:25
pwuertzClinton__: flashplugin-nonfree is the 32bit plugin from adobe04:25
Arc|Angelibm thinkpad t4004:25
Arc|Angelfiesty was rocking on the same laptop04:25
Clinton__Arc|Angel: ha, you're lucky there - whatever doesn't work will have three dozen FAQ's and howto's in the next week04:25
ubuntuI have a 64 bit system, I expect it to be used04:25
ubuntunot halfed downd to 32 bit04:26
Arc|Angelmy problem now is that it is dead and has my email on it04:26
pwuertzbut you just wohoo'ed "AMD64 FLASH IS SUPPORTED".... which is only true for gnash... and gnash still is quite useless04:26
Arc|Angelin evolution04:26
Clinton__ubuntu: good for you, but not everything is supported under 64 bit in Ubuntu, if you truly want complete 64 bit, pure, then switch to Gentoo04:26
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XsteelWolfGentoo is really too complex04:26
Clinton__pwuertz: having the package available is my idea of support04:26
ubuntuIam out of roms04:26
pwuertzoh04:26
XsteelWolfanyone using intel 4965agn wireless card here?04:26
Clinton__XsteelWolf: I hear you there, that's what I'm switching back from04:26
ubuntuwhere is this gentoo at?04:27
Clinton__www.gentoo.org04:27
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XsteelWolfdon't forget to take a look at my site: www.ientoo.com :D04:27
Clinton__gentoo is: Wonderfully customizable, horribly manage-able04:27
ubuntuok..ill go there whn my systems done04:27
pwuertzgentoo isn't that complex... but I moved away from gentoo because they tend to break the system over and over04:27
Clinton__how new to linux are you?  are you willing to work in pure command line for a couple of days?04:27
sdrevany reason network manager would insist my wireless network needs a password when I've set the network to not have any encryption?04:28
XsteelWolfanyone using intel 4965agn wireless card here?04:28
Arc|Angelany idea how to get my emails off since no usb device will be seen now and no networking ability04:28
ubuntuIam so flusterd am aobut to go baack to windows04:28
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Clinton__Arc|Angel: yes, use gmail or another web-mail04:28
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Arc|Angelya except not network04:28
Clinton__Arc|Angel: oops.. burn to CD then04:28
Arc|Angelcant get it up to gmail04:28
Arc|Angeldur04:28
Arc|Angelnever thought of a cd burn04:28
Clinton__Arc|Angel: or boot up using a boot cd and copy them off04:28
Arc|Angel<-- shakes head like a dumb....04:29
Clinton__it's alright :)04:29
Arc|Angeli tried the boot cd did not work04:29
Clinton__you might need to try different boot options04:29
Arc|Angeli have had a bad day, son had surgery today04:29
Arc|Angelhead is not in the game so to speak04:29
Clinton__my computer only boots with the options:   noapic irqpoll acpi=force04:29
AlienXI was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with an issue. nvidia-glx-new doesn't seem to want to install and the output is over at http://pastebin.ca/73813804:29
TheRepackerI just tried the new Mandriva 2008 Live Gnome, pretty blue desktop04:29
ubotuMandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=200804:29
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rustArc|Angel: hope he is doing ok04:30
TheRepackerIt only took it 7 mins to lockup04:30
Arc|Angelya had a good bit of oral surgery04:30
Arc|Angelbut he is doing well04:30
nomasteryodawtH is that... ubotu comments on mandriva too?04:30
nomasteryodaLOL04:30
Arc|Angelgiving me flak again so he is doing well04:30
rust:P04:31
pwuertzAlienX: moving from nvidia-glx to nvndia-glx-new is a little bit difficult if you are relying on the package manager to do the job for you04:31
TheRepackerMandriva was blue and it locked up in 7 mins04:31
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Clinton__wow, kopete really craps out as an IRC chat application.04:32
rustanybody know when the ati closed driver is going to be released04:32
ubuntucan gento be ran from a one gig card?04:32
rust?04:32
ubuntutaht is set up04:32
Clinton__I would *NOT* recommend that04:32
pwuertzAlienX: if you want to avoid any trouble you should set your X driver back to "nv"... then uninstall "nvidia-glx".... reboot.... then install "nvidia-glx-new"04:32
AlienXpwuertz, i did an upgrade from feisty to see how it worked (which, I have to admit is significantly better than previous versions). I can't seem to remove nvidia-glx using apt because it doesn't look to be installed.04:32
Arc|Angeli am SOOOOO close to a house of no winders i see the light04:32
Clinton__no winders?04:33
nomasteryodaArc|Angel, cool04:33
AlienXpwuertz, that's currently what I'm doing, using the open source drivers and tried to uninstall nvidia-glx but no joy.04:33
nomasteryodathat would be a Dark House04:33
Arc|Angelwe will have to keep ONE dang machine windows04:33
nomasteryodano, just put winders into a virtualbox04:33
Arc|Angelbecause i can not (YET) export my quickbooks and import the same data to linux yet04:33
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Arc|Angeli thought about that04:33
Arc|Angellike VMWare04:33
AlienXpwuertz, rc  nvidia-glx                                 1:100.14.12      is what dpkg is saying04:34
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Clinton__oh, winders = windows04:34
Arc|Angelya04:34
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pwuertzAlienX: hm.. looks messed up04:34
AlienXpwuertz, yeah, absolutely.04:34
joebobjoehey guys04:34
TheRepackerAlienX: if you have a Series 7 or 6 nvidia card, do not load the nvidia-glx-new, it is broken is tou also have a multi-core CPU04:34
nomasteryodaArc|Angel, ya vmware server & player work  well....04:34
joebobjoeim trying to install a graphics driver and it needs to quit xserver, how do i completely turn it off?04:34
Arc|Angeli do high level tech support and this guy called in saying he needed help with Winders made by Microscope04:34
AlienXTheRepacker, I have a 7900GT on a C2D 2.13GHz machine04:34
Arc|Angelso it sorta stuck with me04:34
XsteelWolfwhy is gutsy only supported for 8 months while 6.06 is supported till 2011?04:34
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pwuertzAlienX: maybe you should revert to a working state.... by using the restricted driver manager04:35
Clinton__Arc|Angel: I'm sorry, but high level techies should not have to deal with windows04:35
Arc|AngelI AGREE04:35
cafuegoAlienX: Hmm, time for an upgrade, methinks.04:35
joebobjoehey guys, im new04:35
Arc|Angelooooo do WE agree04:35
rust!lts04:35
ubotuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.04:35
nomasteryodaArc|Angel, sudo init 3 will get you down to no X04:35
rust!lts | XsteelWolf04:35
ubotuXsteelWolf: please see above04:35
RB2I just had the strangest experience... I rebooted my machine (running 7.10) after some updates and my Compiz theme changed.04:35
Arc|Angelme and another guy have converted nearly half the department into fulltime linux users04:35
joebobjoeim trying to install a graphics driver and it needs to quit xserver, how do i completely turn it off?04:35
pwuertzAlienX: maybe the restricted driver manager fixes the broken links when enabling the nvidia driver again04:35
Clinton__Arc|Angel: good04:35
AlienXpwuertz, yeah, i tried all that. Even trying to install nvidia-glx, it throws the same error.04:35
AlienXcafuego, i hope you're joking...04:35
pwuertzAlienX: then force it04:36
cafuegoHmm, maybe .. ;-)04:36
TheRepackerAlienX, 100.14.19 has a regressive bug that causes lockup and freezes, That is what just happen to me with the Mandriva Live04:36
XsteelWolfyea but why is only that version longterm support?04:36
joebobjoehow do you turn off xserber04:36
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joebobjoeserver*04:36
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AlienXpwuertz, i'll force it and go from there.04:36
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Clinton__joebobjoe: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop04:36
rustXsteelWolf: the idea is that they release an LTS and spend all their time on bug fixes.04:36
cafuegojoebobjoe: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop04:36
rustXsteelWolf: get it real stable.04:36
pwuertzAlienX: k.. good luck!04:36
AlienXTheRepacker, thanks for the info! I appreciate it04:36
joebobjoethanks guys04:36
AlienXpwuertz, cheers m804:36
RB2Has anyone else experienced this?04:37
XsteelWolfhardware compatibility issue wise?04:37
pwuertzbye all04:37
rustXsteelWolf: then the other releases add new features.  Like compiz :)04:37
XsteelWolfhave to install manually?04:37
ericrostI'm in a bit of a pickle. i have vmware installed, but not configured with current modules, and the headers for my running kernel are no longer in the repos (since I'm running an nvidia card, i can only run with 2.6.22-12 but can only get headers for -14)04:37
Clinton__ericrost: dill or plain?04:37
TheRepackerI have tried to make people aware about the prob, load the 9639 driver you will have no probs04:37
rustXsteelWolf: don't understand04:37
ericrostClinton__: ?04:37
Clinton__ericrost: dill pickle or plain pickle?04:37
ericrostahh, dill pickle04:37
_neon_ok my sys shows running at 100% on all 4 cores wtf over04:38
ericrostany suggestions04:38
XsteelWolflike im having trouble with nvidia and intel wireless card on ubuntu 7.0404:38
AlienXTheRepacker, i was thinking about simply loading the binary driver off the nvidia website and be done with it :)04:38
rustXsteelWolf: can't help you there, I'm on ati and wired on both compus04:39
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Clinton__ericrost: no idea here, sorry04:39
rustXsteelWolf: but I've seen plenty on the subject in the forums.04:39
ericrostI have a vm I need to get to on a remote host to install openssh-server onto that I was only getting to a shell in through vmware server console... I suppose I can just do it through another host....04:39
ericrostbut this is the machine I normally have available to me04:40
dasialaanybody here try to update to 7.10 with one of the new dell laptops with feisty preinstalled?04:40
XsteelWolfwhere can i see a list of bugs fixes,and driver compatibility being issued for gutsy?04:40
ericrostand I'd like to have vmware server on it... hopefully the restricted modules will get on here for -1404:40
TheRepackeryou still have a problem, use ENVY to unload what ever driver you have then re-install the kernels to over write the changes made by the nvidia install then you can do a clean install, with that 7 series card stay away from 100.14.XX04:40
Arc|Angelyou can change the port used for SSH right04:40
Arc|Angelman my head is not in the game04:41
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Clinton__Arc|Angel: yes, you can change the port.04:41
rustXsteelWolf: good question. bugs->https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs04:41
Arc|Angelman i need to relax and get my head in the game - I want my terabyte server NOW... lol04:42
rustXsteelWolf: haven't got an idea on driver compatibility.04:42
vowhoops i just reformatted my windows partition04:42
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voah well04:42
rustXsteelWolf: don't reccomend ATI X1300 if that helps :'(04:42
Clinton__vo: bye bye porn?04:42
XsteelWolfheh04:42
voClinton__ aw crap, you reminded me. time to pull out the forensic tools to recover the porn04:43
vvdhello, i have a save.cfg file in my home, still tracker doesnt find it when searching for "save.cfg"04:43
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Clinton__heh04:43
XsteelWolfis there a list of hardware drivers new added for gutsy?04:43
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vvdis that the new cool desktop search? :)04:43
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vvdor am i searching wrong?04:46
fryguyhrmm, my fonts in firefox look far different/worse now than they did on the initial install, any ideas on what could cause something like that?04:46
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vvdvvd@miqu:~$ tracker-files -s Text|grep save.cfg04:47
vvdvvd@miqu:~$ file save.cfg04:47
vvdsave.cfg: ASCII text04:47
vvdhmhm04:48
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vvdany idea anyone?04:48
vvdits so quiet, why is that?04:48
dylixyou are scaring us04:49
dylix:)04:49
jimmacdonaldHi everyone,. after last nights update I cannot get to a desktop. I can boot, get a login screen, but when I login my screen goes black and then back to the password screen.04:49
jimmacdonaldI am running Gutsy Kubuntu on a laptop with an invidia card.04:49
jimmacdonaldI have access to a console login and have networking through a wifi adapter.04:50
vodifference between #ubuntu and #gentoo - #ubuntu is quiet because people are actually off doing productive things while #gentoo people are chatting up IRC while waiting for stuff to compile04:50
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vvddylix: ah04:52
vvdvo :o04:52
rustjimmacdonald: can you select session then use safemode gnome?04:52
dylixvo; roflcoptor04:52
dylixthat is fucking hilarious04:53
dylixhahahaha04:53
dylixgood material04:53
jimmacdonaldI have kde gnome and failsafe04:53
XsteelWolfi can sudo apt-get install upgrade to upgrade from RC to official release on this thursday yea?04:53
rustjimmacdonald: try failsafe then04:54
jimmacdonalddidn't work04:54
rustjimmacdonald: did you try KDE :)04:54
jimmacdonaldthat's the default04:55
jimmacdonaldall three options give me the same thing... it appears to be a driver issue.04:55
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dylixstupid ass xp/vs/mac04:56
rustjimmacdonald: odd because you already have X up.04:56
dylixcommericials04:56
dylixlol04:56
jimmacdonaldlast time I had this it was related to the Nvidia driver.04:56
rustjimmacdonald: couldn't help then.  I'm inflicted with ATI04:57
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Clinton__sure seem to be a lot of illnesses in here for a virus free distribution04:58
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Jordan_UClinton__, Virus free doesn't mean Bug free :)04:59
Clinton__you got that right04:59
Arc|Angelnight all - thanks again04:59
Jordan_UClinton__, What problem are you having?04:59
Clinton__Jordan_U: this upgrade is taking too long04:59
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Clinton__Jordan_U: not really a problem, I'm just impatient05:00
Clinton__:)05:00
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Clinton__Ya know, nvidia-glx-new is a bad name for a package, it won't always be new05:02
jimmacdonaldClinton and we are talking about beta software.05:02
kingrayrayhas anybody used mdf2iso before?05:02
ClintonCorporatigr... can't be corporatist05:02
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PirateHeadTwo questions: 1) when can we dist-upgrade to Hairy Hardon, and 2) is there anybody in here who can help me debug sound issues?05:03
AlienXTheRepacker, thanks for the help. I got nvidia going but now i have to troubleshoot some issues with ccsm05:03
Clinton__Clinton__: hello!  12 years on IRC and I have never seen anyone else use Clinton before05:03
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Clinton__bur[n] er: you don't have to be my fan, it's alright05:04
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jimmacdonaldIs there anyone on who can help me?05:07
MtJBif i update the beta of gutsy, will i have the same system as the final release, or do i need to download the final when it's soup?05:07
rustMtJB: you can upgrade to the final when "it's soup"05:08
TheRepackerupdated beta will be full Gutsy05:08
rustMtJB: just like you get your daily updates anyway05:08
MtJBthanks, rust05:08
rustMtJB:np05:08
MtJBokie doke05:08
prakritiI've noticed a bunch of packages released today05:08
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prakritiAre there changelogs?05:09
orionrHas anyone here been aable to get a brother 420cn printer to work with 7.10?05:09
jimmacdonaldanyone?05:10
jimmacdonaldI'm dying over here....05:10
Clinton__I'll try - but no promises05:10
orionrjimmacdonald: whats up?05:10
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jimmacdonaldHi everyone,. after last nights update I cannot get to a desktop. I can boot, get a login screen, but when I login my screen goes black and then back to the password screen. I am running Gutsy Kubuntu on a laptop with an invidia card.05:10
jimmacdonaldI have access to a console login and have networking through a wifi adapter.05:10
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jimmacdonaldsorry for the cut and paste.05:11
orionrjimmacdonald: sounds like a video driver problem05:11
Jordan_Ujimmacdonald, Can you start a failsafe gnome session?05:11
orionryea thast what it sounds like to me too Jordan_U05:11
TheRepackerwhat driver and what nvidia card05:11
jimmacdonaldI can't run KDE, failsafe or Gnome.05:11
Jordan_Ujimmacdonald, Doesn't sound like a driver problem :)05:11
Clinton__jimmacdonald: are you logging in with KDM?05:11
orionrjimmacdonald: try reconfiguring your nvidia card05:11
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orionrdpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg05:12
rayb0thow well does mdf2iso work? anybody used it?05:12
lontraanyone else having issues with X freezing in gutsy?  i have an intel 945 and sometimes (every 4 or 5 logouts) X will just freeze and start flashing.  i am curious if this is the new intel driver.  what's more interesting is that this doesn't happen on this lappy in debian05:12
Kr4t05I'm planning on upgrading from Kubuntu Fiesty to Gutsy, but I have Compiz-Fusion installed via Amaranth's repositories, should I remove these packages beforehand, or will the upgrade process handle this?05:12
rustKr4t05: remove them first05:12
Clinton__Kr4t05: you should remove them05:12
Kr4t05rust: Thanks05:12
rustKr4t05: the upgrade should remove the repo.05:13
rustKr4t05:np05:13
orionrlontra: i kinda have X getting supper slow and then i have to restart it some times i think it would be becaues i have an ATI card and im running fglx on top of x because of the ati card05:13
XsteelWolfi can sudo apt-get install upgrade to upgrade from RC to official release on this thursday yea?05:13
Clinton__XsteelWolf: you could do it now, but it's kind of slow. it'll be even slower on thursday05:13
orionrXsteelWolf: yea but you could upgrade now if you want05:14
orionrXsteelWolf: just do it tonight before you go to sleep05:14
XsteelWolfare you guys using gnome or kde05:14
Clinton__KDE05:14
rayb0tif you use autoupdates, won't we just have the release automatically?05:14
XsteelWolfjust want to see a poll :D05:14
rayb0tgnome here05:14
TheRepackergnome05:14
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orionrgnome05:15
vvdxfce05:15
Clinton__TWM05:15
taggiegnome05:15
rayb0tlol twm05:15
vvd:L05:15
orionrwhats twm?05:15
taggiexfce on my old slow boxes05:15
orionrtaggie: do you use them as production machines? what do you need a desktop for?05:16
jimmacdonaldwell that certainly improved my kdm login but still has the same symptoms. how can I tell from a console what video driver I am using?05:16
rustXsteelWolf: gnome05:16
taggieuse what as production machines? gnome xfce or old boxes?05:16
XsteelWolfwhy gnome towards kde,other than personal perferences?05:16
Clinton__jimmacdonald: if your KDM is starting up then it is likely not a video issue, since KDM relies on the video05:16
orionrjimmacdonald: lspci | grep video05:16
Clinton__XsteelWolf: more configurable and doesn't treat me like an idiot05:16
rayb0tkde's interface is something i've never personally been comfortable with05:17
rayb0ttoo many buttons05:17
rayb0tand i vastly prefer GTK205:17
rustXsteelWolf: Use more apps from gnome.  And the desktop integrates better in my work for me.05:17
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Clinton__rust: I don't care for the preference of gnome or kde apps, I just use whichever better :)05:18
jimmacdonaldseems lspci |grep video didn't produce anything05:18
orionrjimmacdonald: it should05:18
rustClinton__: me too and I rate more gnome apps than kde :)05:18
jimmacdonaldbut it didn't.05:18
orionrjimmacdonald: perhaps try lspci | grep nvidia05:18
rustClinton__: so i use gnome05:18
rayb0ti'm far too particular about the aesthetics of my desktop, so i just use gtk2 across the board05:18
XsteelWolfkde doesn't have much more apps?05:18
orionrjimmacdonald: the grep just shows the line of output like a search of what was search for05:19
rayb0tXsteelWolf: it has plenty of apps, just as many if not more.. some of us just prefer the gnome ones :)05:19
XsteelWolfgnome if im not wrong, comes with os fingerprinting tools yea?05:19
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orionrif you do lspci it will display all the hardware you have05:19
rustorionr: lspci will show him what hardware he has not which drivers are loaded05:19
joebobjoehey guys, im trying to save a config file, but it wont let me because i dont have permission05:19
rayb0tif you are trying to see what drivers are loaded you may want to look at the output of lsmod05:19
joebobjoehow do i save it05:19
rayb0tjoebobjoe: try using sudo when you go to edit the file05:20
prakritiAre there fixes for i915 cards and XGL in this latest set of updates?05:20
orionrrust: well the he should have the right drivers loaded i just told him to do reconfigure xserver-xorg05:20
rayb0tie sudo gedit /path/to/file05:20
jimmacdonaldlspci |grep nVidia shows 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVidia Coperoration NV34M [GeForce FX G05200 64m]  (rev a1)05:20
orionrrust: idk what he wants to find out with that05:20
joebobjoethanks05:20
rustorionr: sorry must have missed a part of the conversation there.05:20
jimmacdonaldI know how to use grep. I was just reporting what I got.05:20
rustslaps his own wrists05:21
orionrjimmacdonald: i would recommend removing the old nvidia drivers completely apt-get remove and then apt-get clean and then reinstalling the new nvidia drivers05:21
jimmacdonaldso how do I tell what nvidia packages are installed?05:21
orionrjimmacdonald: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new05:21
Clinton__jimmacdonald: dpkg -l | grep nvidia05:22
TheRepackerjimmacdonald: I think the spec calls for 128M video ram for CCSM05:22
joebobjoei am trying to open a file by sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf.failsafe05:22
joebobjoebut it opens a blank file, wtf?05:22
Jordan_U!gksudo | joebob777as705:22
ubotujoebob777as7: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  - See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info05:22
Jordan_Ujoebob777as7, Capital "X"05:22
joebobjoeok thanks05:23
Jordan_Ujoebob777as7, Why are you changing the failsafe xorg.conf though?05:23
Jordan_Ujoebob777as7, That should really be kept as is05:23
jimmacdonaldreboot after the remove?05:24
Jordan_Ujoebobjoe, , Why are you changing the failsafe xorg.conf though?05:25
Jordan_Ujoebobjoe,That should really be kept as is05:25
Clinton__jimmacdonald:   ctrl-alt-backspace to kill any X sessions you have, then you won't have to reboot05:25
joebobjoei am trying to change the x server config file05:25
joebobjoeand in the nvidia readme05:25
joebobjoeit said to check to logfile05:25
joebobjoefor the config file05:25
joebobjoeand thats what the log file said it was05:26
orionrjimmacdonald: or better yet /etc/init.d/gdm restart05:26
joebobjoeso ill use it what the heck05:26
jimmacdonaldClinton__: remember that I am at a console login.05:26
Clinton__jimmacdonald: that's right, use orionr's suggestion05:26
jimmacdonaldafter I remove I should just be able to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and that should detect and reinstall correct?05:27
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orionrno05:27
orionrjimmacdonald: just do apt-get isnatll nvidia-glx-new05:27
orionrthen i think x should restart automattiacly05:27
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orionrif not run /etc/init.d/gdm restart05:27
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Clinton__orionr: nope, it didn't restart at all, I just did it and never lost my session05:28
Clinton__I'm kind of surprised by that too05:28
zaatardo you guys think it's a bad idea to install gutsy final release candidate on a production server?05:28
orionrClinton__: you had an active desktop running that was logged in though05:28
rayb0tzaatar: yes.05:28
Clinton__orionr: yes, but a restart should still kill the active desktop session05:29
orionrHas anyone here gotten a brother printer to work in 7.10?05:29
zaatarrayb0t, as opposed to a final release? how different do they get?05:29
orionrClinton__: yea i know what your saying idk its odd05:29
Clinton__zaatar: wait for official release05:29
rayb0tyea, theres still a few bugs to work out im sure05:29
rayb0tlike my sound doesnt seem to work right05:29
rayb0thehe05:29
zaatari thought a final RC was basicaly a final release05:29
rayb0t"basically05:29
rayb0t"05:29
Clinton__zaatar: typically yes, but there's always post-release bugs to be found and fixed05:29
orionrdo you guys think there will be more updates in the following days up to when it is finally released?05:29
Clinton__zaatar: would you want your production server to have these bugs?05:30
rayb0torionr: definitely05:30
Clinton__orionr: absolutely yes05:30
rayb0tfor a production server i'd probably use an LTS release to be perfectly honest05:30
orionrlike probably 500 mbs?05:30
Clinton__orionr: no clue there05:30
Clinton__maybe, maybe not, depends on how broken some things are05:30
orionri agree deff go with LTS for a server05:30
jimmacdonaldok. updating now.05:30
orionrjimmacdonald: ware u using a terminal version of IRC?05:31
jimmacdonaldno I'm on a different computer.05:31
orionrk05:31
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orionrjust wondering05:31
Clinton__orionr: BitchX is a good terminal version05:31
orionrhow old are all of you guys. Just wondering05:32
orionrClinton: i just gaim05:32
Clinton__gaim is good too05:32
Clinton__30yo05:32
rust2605:32
orionr1905:32
gunashekarIage survey 4405:32
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Clinton__ya know, I spent hours arranging the coral and sand in my saltwater tank, only to see one of my damsels pushing the sand all over the place.. little fucker05:33
orionrare you guys in someone kind of technology career or just tried out ubuntu as to somethihng better then windows?05:33
Clinton__oops wrong window :)05:33
jimmacdonaldorionr: why did you ask?05:33
rustlmao05:33
Clinton__orionr: I graduated with a major in Computer Science, minor in Math from Central Michigan U.05:33
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jimmacdonaldage survey: 3705:33
gunashekarcareer survey pet breeder05:33
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orionrim just wondering about what age most of the users are05:34
rayb0t2105:34
Clinton__I now code java websites and in house apps for a living :)  I love my job05:34
orionrYea im computer engineering its kicking my ass right now.05:34
jimmacdonaldand I am almost embarrassed to say this... I am a Unix sysadmin.... I just don't do linux for a living.05:34
rayb0tim gonna be taking some computer forensics courses shortly05:34
rustcareer survey: computers, currently @ work05:34
rayb0tshould be interesting05:34
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zaatarClinton__, where do you live?05:35
orionrjimmacdonald: did you know what grep did lol?05:35
jimmacdonaldummm yes. :)05:35
orionrCLinton__: like smart house apps to control lighting and tv's?05:35
Clinton__orionr: not even close.  We maintain sales DB's for several very large companies.  I won't name them but their names can be found on cereal boxes and candy bars and chips05:36
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rayb0tgeneral mills and frito-lay!! hooah05:36
jimmacdonaldorionr I know how to use grep better than I do find.05:36
TheRepacker59yrs grad 1981 first C & IS Queens U in Kingston On05:36
Clinton__hehe, that's two05:36
rayb0ti own05:36
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rustI was born in 1981 :)05:37
rust(im gonna regret saying that in 30 years im sure)05:37
TheRepackerI still have some punch cards you can look at05:37
Clinton__I mostly do the backend stuff - improving effiency (in java that's tough) and looking for general problems.  I've got a co-worker who's great at the design layout of stuff.. although he likes bouncy stuff way too much05:37
WorkingOnWiseAny ord on hen the repos ill be back up?05:38
Kr4t05I do believe this is the first time I've use the GUI-based upgrade tool.05:38
rayb0t4205:38
WorkingOnWiseord=word05:38
Clinton__rust: I have a 15yo sister with some hot ass friends that I feel guilty for looking at whenever I visit Mom05:38
Kr4t05Every previous release, I either used apt-get or just downloaded the disc image and did a clean install.05:38
Clinton__kids nowadays!  too damn young and look like they're in college05:38
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker: I have an 8inch floppy and a copy of windows 3.1 still shrinkwrapped.05:38
rustClinton__: lol05:38
Kr4t05Clinton__: It happens. :/05:38
jimmacdonaldViagra~!05:39
Kr4t05My younger sister turns 13 in December.05:39
rayb0tthis is getting dangerously offtopic05:39
rayb0tlol05:39
Clinton__heh.. viagra.. I read the funniest commercial application to that in a book called Bangkok 805:39
TheRepackerI remeber buying an 8 inch drive (128K) for $60005:39
Kr4t05And, she hangs with the "looks-older-than-they-should" crowd.05:39
Clinton__rayb0t: yea, we're all OT.. shame on us05:39
rayb0t:D05:40
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker:  yes but can you convert dec to binary to octal and back again?05:40
orionrwhats OT?05:40
rayb0torionr: offtopic05:40
rayb0t:p05:40
Clinton__off topic05:40
rayb0tor omni-tek if you play anarchy online.05:40
orionrjimmacdonald: i can05:40
TheRepackerand 4K mem chips (1 bit, so you needed 8)  at $24 a chip05:40
jimmacdonaldorionr: using calc doesn't count05:40
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orionrjimmacdonald: i dont need a calc to do it05:40
rustI need a calc anything pas 10!05:41
jimmacdonaldok video reinstall didn't fix it... same symptoms.05:41
rustohh I just remembered something, make that 11 ;)05:41
TheRepackerfond memories of a Dec PDP 8/2005:41
Clinton__jimmacdonald:  I'm telling you it isn't video05:41
orionryou just divide by the base you and to get and you just order the remainder in reverse and keeep dividing the number untill you get to 005:41
jimmacdonaldClinton__: ok then what is it?05:41
orionrjimmacdonald: is your video working?05:41
WorkingOnWiseSo are the repos down, or is my system fubar?05:42
jimmacdonaldI can see a login screen.05:42
orionrjimmacdolad: when you log it what does it do again?05:42
rustjimmacdonald: what's in your session rc files05:42
Clinton__jimmacdonald: your xdm/gdm/kdm whatever starts up fine, right?   Therefore there is something else wrong.. try running startkde logged in as you05:42
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jimmacdonaldorionr: I login the screen goes black and it kicks me back out to kdm.05:43
rustjimmacdonald: you aren't running xgl are you?05:43
jimmacdonaldxgl?05:43
Clinton__heh, that's a no05:43
rustI guess so.05:43
rustdpkg -l | grep xgl05:44
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rustjimmacdonald: just in case you installed it in a moment of madness :)05:44
orionrglx05:45
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jimmacdonaldrust: nothing returned.05:45
rustjimmacdonald: then it's not that05:45
orionrjimmacdonald: idk you could try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop but i wouldnt recommend it that would give you gnome and might work05:45
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rustjimmacdonald:/etc/X11/Xsession.d whats in there?05:45
Clinton__apt-get?  use aptitude05:46
jimmacdonaldI have gnome installed already and it doesn't work either05:46
Clinton__then when he is done with the package he can uninstall it and all it pulled in with aptitude remove05:46
gunashekarubotu: what is the offtopic channel ?05:46
jimmacdonaldrust: several files which one are you looking for?05:46
rustjimmacdonald: something that runs something that is borking your login05:47
orionrjimmacdonald: did it work before you upgraded?05:47
rustonce you log in these files are executed in order.05:47
rustor "sourced"05:47
Clinton__look in your ~/.kde/Autostart directory05:47
orionrjimmacdonlad: was it ever working even after you upgraded?05:47
rustClinton__: can't be .kde because it fails on gnome and kde05:48
rusthas to be X05:48
rustno,?05:48
Clinton__I'm hesitant to say it is X, since gdm/kdm is starting05:48
Clinton__but yes, something is runnig to crash it afterwards05:49
jimmacdonaldok.05:49
orionrperhaps just reinstall the root directory with a live cd the '/' dir05:49
roubenxsession-errors?05:49
jimmacdonald20x11-common_process_args05:49
jimmacdonald30x11-common_xresources05:49
jimmacdonald40guidance_displayconfig_restore05:49
jimmacdonald55gnome-session_gnomerc05:49
jimmacdonald60seahorse05:49
jimmacdonald80ubuntu-xmodmap05:49
jimmacdonald90gpg-agent05:49
jimmacdonald90x11-common_ssh-agent05:49
jimmacdonald99x11-common_start05:49
orionrpastebin lol05:49
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jimmacdonaldorionr: yes it worked prior to the upgrade05:49
orionri guess it doesnt matter05:49
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seanixhi guys :)05:49
orionrdid it work after the upgrade?05:49
jimmacdonaldorionr I am on a different computer.05:50
rust!seahorse05:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seahorse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:50
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Clinton__jimmacdonald: try creating a new user and loggin in as that user05:50
seanixanyone know how to fix the loooooong names in the menus?05:50
rustforgive my ignorance but wtf is seahorse05:50
Clinton__rust: a marine invertabrate05:50
orionrjimmacdonald: i understand that im asking if when you upgraded to 7.10 did the video work for a little bit and then stoped working or did it just start doing this kick you out thing?05:50
rustClinton__: :)  maybe I should have been more specific05:51
ksivajii think i can upgrade for feisy to gutsy now what is your opinion shall i do it ?05:51
jimmacdonaldorionr: it did not initially happen after I upgraded to 7.10. it just happened after last nights upgrades.05:51
rustClinton__: just a minute, is it really an invertebrate?05:51
Clinton__rust: heh, well I am having a saltwater discussion with someone else right now :)05:51
Clinton__rust: pretty sure, yes05:51
seanixlol05:51
Clinton__rust: they're difficult to keep in captivity too05:51
rustClinton__: well i never.  Wouldn't want to keep them in captivity.05:52
orionrjimmacdonald: so some upgrade broke it hrm i bet that it will probably get fixed in a few days05:52
ksivajiis there any risk in upgrading  now05:52
orionrjimmacdonald: is this your main computer?05:52
Clinton__ksivaji: there is always a risk05:52
jimmacdonaldorionr: no it's my laptop.05:52
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rustClinton__: I can barely take care of myself, I don't think im ready for seahorses yet :p05:52
gregoroviushi05:52
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gregoroviusI've been having completely random lockups since last kernel05:52
orionrjimmacdonald: ah that sucks i was going to say you could run vncserver on it to get a desktop if you really needed a desktop05:52
rustksivaji: only way to get the answer to that is suck it and see05:53
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gregorovius2.6.22-14... I can't see anything in dmesg, syslog, etc05:53
gregoroviusanybody having similar issues?05:53
ksivaji!language05:53
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.05:53
Clinton__rust: that sounds like a college line to me05:53
Les_Caesars(7.10 Gusty RC) Desktop effects aren't working for me. glxgears works just fine. What might I need to do to get desktop effects to work/05:53
orionrjimmacdonald: you know what you could do is download the drivers from the nvidia website and i bet that would fix it for you.05:53
rustClinton__: college line?05:54
nickrudLes_Caesars: you sure you don't have gldesktop there? how'd you install gutsy?05:54
seanixanyone managed to install virutalbox?05:54
orionrjimmacdonald: i had a problem like what you had an upgrade broke X for me. It didnt do a kick me out sorta deal but it wouldnt let X start. But i used the drivers off the nvidia site and built those from source and it worked fine05:54
jimmacdonaldI think at this point I agree with Clinton that it's not a video problem esp since I reloaded them and it didn't correct. and I get KDM to start just fine and I can't run gnome or kde or failsafe.05:54
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Les_Caesarsnickrud: Fresh install. Wiped the whole HD. And There isn't even anything that begins with a G in preferences05:54
rustClinton__:  jock humour?05:55
Clinton__rust: something like that yea05:55
orionrdoes anyone have any ideas of what else it could be then?05:55
gregoroviusif the kernel hangs without printing any error messages, can it be a kernel error? or a hardware problem is the only possibility?05:55
rustClinton__: ok, im from the uk, you lost me for a minute there.05:55
Clinton__jimmacdonald: have you tried creating a new user and logging in as that user?05:55
rustClinton__: I have no idea where i got it from.05:55
nickrudLes_Caesars: hrm. ok, try    alt-f2  compiz --replace && emerald --replace05:55
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Clinton__rust: heh.. you might have heard it in a movie05:55
orionrjimmacdonald: what you could do and waht i would probably do if i were u is just burn the live cd and just reinstall / and keep my /home dir and it would probably fix the problem05:55
Clinton__rust: you're up late too aren't ya?05:55
jimmacdonaldClinton__: please forgive my linux ignorance but what is the easiest way to do that from a console?05:56
rustClinton__: Thinking about it im sure it's in an advert (commercial) in the 80's05:56
Les_Caesarsnickrud: Fail.05:56
rustClinton__: yea, working.05:56
Clinton__rust: ah OK05:56
rustClinton__: I work 6pm till 6am05:56
orionrrust: you are at work right now?05:56
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Clinton__jimmacdonald: adduser05:56
rustorionr: yep. quiet night05:56
nickrudLes_Caesars: ok, install xserver-xgl and logout, login and try the replace again05:56
Les_Caesarsok05:56
orionrrust: what do you do?05:57
nickrudLes_Caesars: before you log out, run   glxinfo | grep direct    in a terminal , just to be sure05:57
rustorionr: I work for a large IVR provider05:57
Les_Caesarsnickrud: might do the trick. It -wasn't- already installed. Let's see what it'll do05:57
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silent**** I love ubuntu05:57
orionrvoxeo?05:58
rustIVR= those anoying phone systems you call and a computer answers.05:58
Les_Caesarsnickrud: Direct rendering: Yes05:58
nickrudok, good :)05:58
orionri know05:58
orionrwhat it is05:58
rustwow05:58
orionrdo you work for voxeo?05:58
Lokanetrahas anyone come across the icedtea plugin problem for firefox?  i've tried searching for the problem but i haven't come-up with any solutions05:58
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rustnot many people do.  but saying that I don't get out much working here!05:58
jimmacdonaldhow do I get back to kdm from a console05:59
Les_Caesarsthanks btw nickrud: I think this'll do the trick05:59
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Clinton__jimmacdonald: /etc/init.d/kdm start05:59
nickrudLes_Caesars: Worked For Me05:59
rustorionr: I get to stay up all night fixing stuff when it breaks.05:59
orionrrust: does stuff break a lot?05:59
rustorionr: like you wouldn't believe.05:59
orionrrust: are they running windows?06:00
gunashekarstuff  is not stuff unless it stuffs06:00
jimmacdonaldnew user does the same thing.06:00
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rustorionr: we have a mix mostly windows and linux06:00
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MrKeunerhi, virtualbox-ose upgrade fails06:00
Clinton__jimmacdonald: wow.. I'm lost then, you might want to backup your home dir and do a fresh install06:00
dylixhttp://plutonic.mine.nu/pictures.aspx?albummode=Page&albumpath=%2falbums%2f2007%2f09_september%2fIMG_3343.JPG06:00
orionrrust: is it possible for me to set one of those system up with just a computer or would i need special hardware?06:01
rustorionr: you could set something basic up with a modem. but you would be limited to answering 1 caller at a time06:01
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benkillinHow do I print out to a PDF06:01
benkillinlike a spooler but to pdf format06:01
benkillinIve got 7.10 beta06:02
rustorionr: software is the killer though.06:02
roubenbenkillin: i thought 7.10 comes with a PDF generator spool preconfigured, no?06:02
rustorionr: as far as im aware there is no complete solution, it's all a mash of different applications.06:02
benkillinwell I try printing to it from PDF (cups/pdf) and it doesnt work06:03
benkillinit doesnt give me a dialogue to point to a location to put the pdf06:03
rustorionr: and most of our stuff is written inhouse06:03
benkillinand I dont see a pdf generated anywhere06:03
benkillinfrom firefox06:03
benkillinim trying to print a webpage to pdf06:03
Clinton__benkillin: use openoffice06:03
benkillinhow is openoffice gonna open a webpage?06:03
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Clinton__save the webpage and open it with openoffice, it might not render the same however06:04
benkillinhow come I cant print pdfs from firefox?06:04
orionrrust: can i get a copy of your software just kidding lol06:04
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rustorionr: lol.06:05
lee986321eh not sure what happend but i keyed in update-manager -d and well its upgrading to the newer version....it saaid new version 7.10 availiable..06:05
roubenbenkillin: try enabling "save to file" or something... not quite sure. quite honestly I've never tried that feature... hmm, lemme try on my office box over ssh :)06:05
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orionrrust: could it be done with like a 56K modem card?06:05
roubenman this is gonna be slow....06:05
rustorionr: I would say "I could but I would have to kill you"06:05
Hydrogenbenkillin: print to file and then run ps2pdf over the file.. thats a bit of a long ways around thouhg06:05
Hydrogenbenkillin: I remember not being able to find the file I printed to either :)06:05
rustorionr: but to be honest you would probably do it yourself after a week :)06:05
rustorionr: yea06:05
benkillinhow do I print to file?06:05
Hydrogenits an option in most print dialogs06:06
orionrlol06:06
Hydrogentheres a checkbox that says print to file06:06
roubenbenkillin: there's an option in the print dialog, print to file, or save to file06:06
Hydrogenand allows you to give a path06:06
rustorionr: most just use DTMF and voice recognition06:06
Hydrogenit prints as a postscript document06:06
Aishikoxine vs. gstreamer is there a major difference?06:06
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Les_Caesarsnickrud: ok. About to try it. Cross your fingers06:06
Hydrogenso you need to run ps2pdf over the document06:06
orionrthats pretty cool stuff06:06
HydrogenAishiko: the apps that use them06:06
rustorionr: and pre-recorded prompts. but we have tts as well06:06
lee986321dristribution upgarde means final release right?06:06
rustorionr: It can be.06:07
benkillinok, so I do print to file and I save it as <filename>.pdf and it works just as PDF? I dont have to run a converter program on it?06:07
rustorionr: you in the uk?06:07
orionrok im gonig to bed06:07
lee986321no06:07
Clinton__night orionr06:07
orionrno South carlina06:07
orionrwhy are you in the UK?06:07
jimmacdonaldorionr seems there are a lot of people in #ubuntu and #kubuntu having the same problem as me.06:07
lee986321in washington state06:07
rustorionr: what the hell am i on about it's 5 in the morning!06:07
AishikoHydrogen: ahh so no differnce if an app can use either, then I take it06:07
rustnobody is from the uk here.06:07
Clinton__orionr: he's in the UK cuz just maybe he lives there...06:07
rustlol06:08
Hydrogenbenkillin: no, if you print to file it prints as a postscript document06:08
Hydrogenbenkillin: you then need to run ps2pdf on that document06:08
rustorionr: yea I live in the uk/06:08
benkillinok cool06:08
rustorionr: working night shifts this week06:08
Hydrogenbenkillin: there is a way to print directly to pdf but I don't know where the pdf's go :)06:08
lee986321what problem is that?06:08
benkillinok now how do I make gnome minimize all my windows using the windowskey + d key combo like in icewm?06:08
rustjimmacdonald: I assume nobody else has a solution yet06:09
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jimmacdonaldnot that I have found that fixes it yet....06:09
jimmacdonaldstill looking.06:09
gunashekartry this , it is open source06:09
gunashekarhttp://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-04-2006/html/jw-0410-html.zip06:09
Clinton__gunashekar: no, I will not try it06:09
gunashekarok06:10
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rustjimmacdonald: which directions have they covered yet?06:10
gunashekarsomeone wanted html to pdf06:10
gunashekarso suggested06:10
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caesar_nickrud: Fail. It works. but it doesn't work.06:11
jimmacdonalddist-upgrade, I reloaded drivers, no one has suggested reloading x but that doesn't suprise me. it might be  an xorg.conf issue.... perhaps I will rename that and reconfig.06:11
roubenbenkillin: check your home directory for a folder called PDF06:11
nickrudcaesar_: which means ?..06:11
roubenbenkillin: your PDF file should be there06:11
rustIm sure that nobody from AMD is in here but just in case, could you please, please, please for the love of god, release the damn driver.06:11
caesar_nickrud: it says "direct rendering: No" now, and "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect"06:11
benkillinoh06:11
roubenbenkillin: that's how CUPS/PDF works06:11
benkillinnice06:11
benkillinits there06:11
caesar_nickrud: I dunno. It works in the software sense, but it doesn't use my video card any more!06:11
nickrudcaesar_: yup, that's expected. Don't ask me why, but that's right. try the   compiz --replace && emerald --replace06:11
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rustjimmacdonald: I would be surprised.  When you get a bad X config it usually bombs out before login06:12
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rustjimmacdonald: but If you have tried everything else...06:12
niwtxorg setup just fine for me - my problem is how to get to a console06:12
nickrudcaesar_: counter intuitive, but somehow gl gets used.06:12
caesar_nickrud: I got disconnected. Could you repeat what you said? glxgears makes X crash06:13
jimmacdonaldwhat is the command to reconfigure?06:13
nickrudcaesar_: well, it usually just segfaults for most people06:13
g0dd3sshai my feisty is all screwy and I wanna reinstall, so is it worth downloading gutsy now? will there be much difference between the gutsy of today and the "proper" release thiingo06:13
caesar_what are segfaults?06:13
caesar_well, nvm that. How do I fix it?06:13
rouben!segfault06:13
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about segfault - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:13
TheRepackerdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:13
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benkillinthere should  be a message box for the first time that cups/pdf gets used informing users of the location of the ~/PDF directory06:13
niwtg0dd3ss: I hope so06:13
feldok anyone here running amd64 with nvidia drivers?06:14
roubencaesar_: segfault is basically a crash... what is segfaulting?06:14
nickrudcaesar_: usually it's means the app tried to write outside it's allotted memory06:14
feldevery time i reboot i the nvidia drivers majorly fail06:14
lee986321oh eh i had to loade the upgrade console06:14
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Clinton__feld: yes06:14
Clinton__feld: sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new06:14
caesar_ok. So how do I turn on direct rendering?06:14
feldClinton__: got it already06:14
lee986321eh updater thingy06:14
nickrudcaesar_: but, believe it or not, that's how the xgl server works.06:14
Clinton__feld: ok, what's up then?06:14
feldClinton__: here's the deal. nvidia drivers fail. they just do. modprobing gives mtrr mismatch errors in dmesg06:15
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cupojavagetting this error on upgrade from feisty.. : "failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"06:15
cupojavadoes anyone know what this is?06:15
feldif i do m-a a-i -f nvidia and rebuild them; rmmod nvidia && modprobe nvidia, then restart X it works fine.06:15
roubencaesar_: depends on your video card... what card do you have?06:15
feldthey load fine and everything, Clinton__06:15
nickrudcupojava: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists, and do the upgrade again06:15
caesar_ATI Radeon 955006:15
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cupojavacool.. thanks06:15
nickrudcupojava: /var/lib/apt/lists/* that is06:15
Clinton__feld: but you hvae to do that for each boot?  or is it good now?06:15
feldClinton__: each boot06:15
nickrudcupojava: don't forget the *06:15
roubencaesar_: do you want to run compiz or beryl?06:15
caesar_rouben: compiz of course! I'm running the Gusty RC06:16
rustjimmacdonald: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg incase you dont already have it like06:16
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jimmacdonaldwell it's not X06:16
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roubencaesar_: I may be wrong, but I think that even now ATI support for compiz is kinda sucky... you may have to run Xgl on top of Xorg, which can be a pain in the ass... but either way lemme see if i can dig up the instructions for ya :)06:16
benkillinhow do I make gnome minimize all my windows using the windowskey + d key combo like in icewm?06:17
cupojava:).. yes delete the folders underneath.. not lists.. gotcha06:17
jimmacdonaldI mv the xorg.conf file over and reconfig'd and it still didn't fix the problem.06:17
nickrudrouben: he's got xgl up and running, but of course glxgears fails06:17
cupojavathere was a folder called partial.. which got removed06:17
roubenheh oh... never mind... i dont recall, is it supposed to fail? havent dealth with ati for a while now06:18
Arenlorif you're using Gutsy with XGL make sure to log in with the normal GNOME session06:18
Clinton__ok, here goes nothin06:18
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caesar_nickrud: well, xgl doesn't use myv ideo card. It's all buggy and slow.06:18
caesar_but it "works"06:18
ArenlorI have an ATI with XGL and it works fine06:18
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nickrudcaesar_: ah, it doesn't rotate the cube smoothly?06:19
caesar_it doesn't even move the WINDOWS smoothly. It leaves stray pixels.06:19
caesar_but they wobble all right.06:19
rustjimmacdonald: have you tried just starting gnome without GDM?06:19
rustjimmacdonald: /etc/init.d/gdm stop06:19
rustjimmacdonald:06:19
rustjimmacdonald: then gnome-session06:20
roubencaesar_: hmmm... perhaps the open source radeon driver might work better (slower, but better)?06:20
rustit should just start the gnome desktop for the current user06:20
nickrudcaesar_: I saw that myself. I logged out, stopped gconfd-2 , and removed ~/.gconf . Had to redo my panels & such, but the pixel stuff dissapeared. Thought it was just me.06:20
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rustjimmacdonald: talking about users have you tried logging in as a different user.06:20
rustjimmacdonald:ok06:20
jimmacdonaldrust: yes still didn't fix the problem06:20
rustjimmacdonald: different user as well?06:20
rustjimmacdonald: ok06:21
rustjimmacdonald: well I'm all out of ideas I'm afraid.  what you need there is somebody who knows their talking about ;)06:22
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caesar_nickrud: I got disconnected. Did you say anything?06:22
nickrudcaesar_: I saw that myself. I logged out, stopped gconfd-2 , and removed ~/.gconf . Had to redo my panels & such, but the pixel stuff dissapeared. Thought it was just me.06:22
caesar_but it still unreasonable choppy, and I still crash!06:23
nickrudcaesar_: but the actual rotation and movement was smooth, just pixel garbage.06:23
caesar_it obviously isn't utilizing my card.06:23
benkillinwhat is a good program for diff backups so I can synch up my USB Flash Drive06:23
benkillinI want to back it up to disk06:23
rustwell im off.06:23
nickrudthat's why I've trademarked Worked For Me06:23
prakritielmargol: (06:24
rustgood luck with that jim06:24
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caesar_heh06:24
prakriti... i mean... arg :(06:24
ArenlorI use ATI Radeon with the restricted driver perfectly fine, caesar_ are you logging in with the XGL session of with the one that says GNOME?06:24
prakritigutsy is totally hosed on my lappy06:24
benkillingutsy is awesome on my lappy06:24
prakritifeisty + xgl + trevino's compiz-fusion ran perfectly06:24
benkillinwireless works06:24
benkillinim impressed06:24
benkillinwireless worked painlessly06:25
prakritigutsy + xgl + stock compiz-fusion barely run s06:25
Arenloralso caesar_ do you have xserver-xgl installed?06:25
caesar_Arenlor: I've never had an XGL session (I looked) and I do have xserver-xgl installed.06:25
caesar_But I just noticed that I didn't have "gnome compiz manager" installed06:25
prakritiI've noticed that my /etc/xorg.conf hasn't changed in years.  How might I update that?06:26
caesar_is there a way I can revert back to my old settings, which had working GL?06:26
jimmacdonaldsomething I just realized. it didn't even start the splash screen for loading the desktop.06:26
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caesar_would uninstalling xserver-xgl do that?06:26
TheRepackerjimmacdonald: try reconfiguring xorg, but use vesa as your card06:26
rocketsI'm trying to update gutsy, and i'm getting the error:06:26
rocketsE: /var/cache/apt/archives/audacious-plugins_1.3.5-3ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so', which is also in package audacious-plugins-extra06:26
rocketsany ideas?06:26
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prakritiTheRepacker : is there an ubuntu specific Xorg configuration tool?06:26
Clinton__well no obvious hassles, nvidia starts right up06:27
Clinton__seems hdparm is off tho06:27
prakritione that would run on install?06:27
feldClinton__: oh wonderful.... what are the specs of your machine?06:27
Clinton__nope, hdparm is just fine06:27
prakriti  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:27
prakritiyay06:27
Clinton__feld: Dell E521 AMD64 Dual Core, 2 gigs memory06:28
TheRepackerjimmacdonald: the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with sudo in front06:28
niwtanyone know how to read the kernel line of grub/menu.lst?06:28
Arenlorcaesar_ I have compizconfig-settings-manager try that06:28
feldClinton__: i have a Tyan S2895 dual socket 940 running a single opteron270 with 4GB of pc3200ECC memory and a 7900GTX for that nvidia card.06:28
nickrudcaesar_: simply remove xserver-xgl06:28
Clinton__oh you wanted to know about my nvidia card?06:28
benkillinin open office if I go to printer settings it crashes06:28
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker: didn't fix it.06:29
jimmacdonaldsame indications.06:29
Clinton__feld: GEForce 7300 256MB06:29
Ward_PSPwhat are the best improvements according to you all?06:29
feldClinton__: I dont understand why my machine doesn't just work until i rebuild and rmmod/modprobe the nvidia module EVERY BOOT06:29
caesar_Arenlor & nickrud: ok. Doing all of that06:29
nickrudWard_PSP: networkmanager for me, hands down06:30
Clinton__feld: what happens if you just modprobe the module at boot?06:30
TheRepackerjim: hate to say this but I think you are up the creek without a paddle06:30
erichjwell this sucks. my office decided to start developing with adobe air so i have to choose between windows and os x now as my primary os06:30
ArenlorWard_PSP bcm43xx drivers come with it06:30
feldClinton__: nothing. if i rmmod/modprobe without rebuilding i often find in dmesg an 'mtrr mismatch' error06:30
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Ward_PSPnice06:31
benkillinand in open office it freezes if I go to format->page...06:31
benkillinthis is with a .doc format06:31
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TheRepackerjim: I'd back up my home directpry  then reinstall06:31
naught101running wine Sketchup (3D app), gives me   Major opcode of failed request:  128 (XFree86-DRI)06:31
feldbenkillin: maybe it's trying to give you the Microsoft feeling without having the whole OS there? :P06:31
naught101on an intel card06:31
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naught101this didn't happen in feisty, using the i810 driver06:31
naught101anyone got any ideas?06:32
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naught101I tried switching back to the gutsy i810 driver, but it didn't help.06:32
TheRepackerjim: if you can not get in with vesa then it really is BROKEN06:32
Clinton__ah! no sound!06:32
benkillinfeld: I tried saving as .odt but it still locks up when I try to adjust the page formatting06:33
jimmacdonaldtar ing up my /home now.06:33
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benkillinI need to be able to adjust page formatting06:33
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oli_how long has 2.6.22-15 been out? just noticed it after the last update, booted it and now I've managed to break my graphics =)06:33
ArenlorI'm trying to get my church to switch over to all FOSS only, I've just yesterday talked to one of the people in charge about how they don't have the correct licenses to use M$ in the way they do (actually most of the stuff they do they lack the licenses for as I explained) and then I showed them the free software on my Gutsy laptop here, they were highly impressed. ^_^ tomorrow I speak with the pastor about it06:33
TheRepackerjim: it should fallback to failsafe06:33
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jimmacdonaldfailsafe doesn't work either06:33
erhi all :) my menus have long text and are hard to use. Anyone else have this bug?06:34
jimmacdonaldwonder if it's a filesystem full thing06:34
caesar_Well, I got glxgears to work again, and now I have GL Desktop as an option in my preferences.06:34
caesar_But turning it "on" doesn't seem to make it work quite yet06:34
Arenloroli_ 15 is news to me, guess it's time to update06:35
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Clinton__ah, flash 9 on amd64, nice, now to figure out where the sound went06:35
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker: /dev/sda3 is 100%06:35
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TheRepackerI'm racking my brain because I been sitting back watching and I've gone totally clueless and I'm not even blond06:35
MTecknologyHobbsee, It looks as if I can actually do w/o secvpn06:36
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caesar_@ nickrud and Arenlor06:36
eranyone running kubuntu RC and if yes, are you menus working? (mine have really long text entries) :(06:36
nickrudcaesar_: just popped back in, if you were sending something @ me, I missed it06:36
MTecknologyI'm starting to consider a clean install when Gutsy is released :)06:36
TheRepacker100% there you go, there is no room06:36
caesar_nickrud:  Well, I got glxgears to work again, and now I have GL Desktop as an option in my preferences.06:36
caesar_ But turning it "on" doesn't seem to make it work quite yet06:36
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Arenlorcaesar_ compizconfig-settings-manager and xserver-xgl are installed?06:37
jimmacdonaldHobbsee are you in here?06:38
TheRepackerjim: you might even have problems trying to backup06:38
Ward_PSPwill all my apps keep working if i update?06:38
caesar_Arenlor: I uninstalled xserver-xgl because it reconfigured my settings so that direct rendering was turned off, and openGL made X crash06:38
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker I am06:38
caesar_reinstalling xserver-xgl. Maybe a miracle will happen06:39
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Arenlorcaesar_ try this go into System > Preferences > Appearance | Visual Effects > choose extra06:39
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TheRepackerjim: can you use Gpart to try and make your partition bigger?06:40
cupojavayeah.. that partial folder removal was not a good thing06:40
caesar_Arenlor: already tried that. It says "Desktop effects could not be enabled"06:40
cupojavaupgrade didnt work after that06:40
cupojavahad to put it back..06:40
TheRepackerjim: forget I asked that06:40
Arenlorcaesar_ that's what xserver-xgl is for06:41
caesar_Arenlor: ok. I'll give xserver-xgl a second chance. *Crosses fingers*06:42
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Arenlorcaesar_ hopefully you just had a bad/corrupt install of it06:42
caesar_ok. glxgears is working ok. Now let me restart X...06:42
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TheRepackerjim: the only other thing I might try if a live boot of Knoppix then try to recover data to an usb stick06:42
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker: gpart not installed06:43
nickrudcupojava: just the files under lists, remove those. To do it easier, cd /var/lib/apt/lists && rm * . That way you can't touch any directories06:43
cupojavathanks nickrud.. that solved the problem.. startingt o upgrade now06:43
nickrudcupojava: wow, that was a quick response :)06:43
bobgillIf I download the RC and then apply updates Thursday, is that the same as downloading the final on thursday?06:43
cupojavawas already typing it.. by the time you sent your reply..06:44
riotkittieyes, bobgill06:44
cupojavaactually misinterpreted your earlier suggestion as rm -rf instead of just rm06:44
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bobgillok ty06:44
nickrudah06:44
cupojavaso removed partial too.. then everything broke..06:44
Arenlorcaesar_ it work?06:44
vishalraohello. gusty rc is not able to get wireless drivers/firmware for my new hp tablet with broadcom 4321 chip, any chance that can be updated by release? i currently blacklist bcm43xx and use ndiswrapper with latest winxp .sys file for support :)06:44
cupojavathen googled it and found that if I just recreate the partial dir.. it will work again.. phew..06:44
caesar_Arenlor: Nope.06:44
nickrudwould do that. But good thinking ;)06:44
cupojavawas sweating for a bit06:45
caesar_disabled direct rendering06:45
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caesar_it would seem that it doesn't know HOW to configure xserver-xgl the right way06:45
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TheRepackerjim: what are your other partition on that drive?06:46
nickrudcaesar_: I get the same, no direct rendering but trust me, that's correct with xgl & ati06:46
Arenlorcaesar_ that is quite odd, are you using fglrx?06:46
NeatcheeHey all, I'm still having a network problem with gutsy.  My network keeps disconnecting every 10-15 mins, for about 20-30secs at a time.  I'm on wireless, and the wireless signal isn't dropping or getting disconnected, it's just that all of my active network connections are interrupted, and i can't create any new ones during that time.  Any ideas?06:46
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nickrudNeatchee: does /var/log/syslog say anything relevant during those times?06:47
caesar_I...think so... there are fglrx modules I haven't installed, but the modules I DO have installed are brought up when I search for fglrx in synaptic06:47
gunashekarvishalrao: what computer do you use?06:47
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Arenlorcaesar_ did you enable it in the restricted drivers manager?06:47
vishalraogunashekar: hp pavilion tx1302au tablet06:48
caesar_where's restricted drivers manager?06:48
caesar_nvm found it06:48
vishalraothe restricted drivers load existing bcm43xx package and can download firmware but it is not latest and my card is not supported :) its model 432106:48
nickrudNeatchee: you could try opening a terminal, running tail -f /var/log/syslog in it. That will spew a lot, when your net goes down, take a look06:48
caesar_I -really- hope this does it06:48
caesar_I think this is actually it this time06:49
Neatcheelooks like here's what's coming out at those times...06:49
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gunashekarvishalrao: it will take some effort to make it work06:49
caesar_ATI hasn't been a problem for me since I got off of SUSE06:49
Arenlorvishalrao make sure it's not blacklisted and download your own version of the drivers to have it use06:49
jimmacdonaldwoot! and the UNIX sysadmin for teh win!06:50
caesar_In advance, thank you very much nickrud and Arenlor.06:50
vishalraogunashekar: and Arenlor: yea i got it working by blacklisting default bcm43xx module and using latest winxp files with ndiswrapper module. that works fine :)06:50
Neatcheenickrud: actually, scratch that.  That's not limited to just the times when the network goes down06:50
caesar_I may go to bed before it finished downloading (I be dialup, arr)06:51
nickrudNeatchee: ah.06:51
nickrudI just found it :)06:51
AmaranthWho was talking about a -15 kernel?06:51
vishalraoi also managed to get the touchscreen working with some tinkering :)06:51
Arenlorvishalrao actually ndiswrapper is faster, 24 vs 54 MB/S06:51
jimmacdonaldTheRepacker:  note to self KDE will not start when / is at 100%06:51
jimmacdonald:)06:51
vishalraoArenlor: cool :)06:51
AmaranthArenlor: of course for internet access that doesn't matter at all06:52
TheRepackerneither will gnome :)06:52
jimmacdonaldor failsafe.06:52
ArenlorAmaranth what type of internet do you use that you don't want to be able to max it out at 54 MB/S? Think torrent files06:52
AmaranthArenlor: err, a 12mbit connection :P06:53
TheRepackerit needs at least 5% if I remember correctly06:53
AmaranthTheRepacker: actually it probably needs less than 1MB06:53
Amaranthmaybe a couple MB, I can't remember all the things that write files on login anymore06:53
AmaranthArenlor: you have an internet connection that can max that out?06:54
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jimmacdonaldsorry for all the recreational troubleshooting folks. I didn't realize I was that close.06:54
caesar_well Arenlor & nickrud. It'll be a while before this finishes downloading. So I'm going to exit IRC for now. thank you very much!06:54
TheRepackerbut we all learn06:54
Amaranth!ping06:55
ubotupong06:55
ArenlorAmaranth actually yeah, but it takes a good bit of torrents and the like, I maxed it out and knocked myself off IRC earlier tonight06:55
jimmacdonaldyeah but I do this for a living. and I don't remember the last time I got bit by the file system filling up.06:55
Amaranthstupid NetworkManager restart06:55
AmaranthArenlor: You're at a university?06:56
TheRepackerbecause (and I have fallen victim myself) we assume06:56
ArenlorAmaranth, not currently, I'm at home right now, but yeah, Geneva College06:56
jimmacdonaldwell that's what I get for doing backups of /home/jim to the same file space. and then not cleaning it periodically.06:56
AmaranthArenlor: I mean where you can max out your wireless06:56
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TheRepackeryou should be able to use the live or Knoppix to clean up06:57
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ArenlorAmaranth, I can max it out in multiple places actually, and I've knocked entire systems down doing so, you just need to remember how to mess with your programs to let it use too much06:57
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jimmacdonaldoh I am already backup... I was using the backup scripts to backup /home to /var/backup and it filled the file system... i just wiped /var/backup and I am in like flynn.06:58
jimmacdonalds/backup/back online06:58
TheRepackerway to go, happy ubuntung06:59
Oli``okay so I just tried to boot in 2.6.22-15 after installing the nvdia restricted driver and I'm getting a module mismatch error (nvidia is 1.0-9755 and X is 1.0-9639)06:59
Oli``Do I wait this out until X has been updated or can I actively do something?06:59
prakriti:(06:59
ArenlorOli`` where the heck do you get -15 from?06:59
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Oli``Arenlor: i think it just must have come with an update..07:00
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nickrud-15? Oli``07:00
ArenlorOli`` I've been checking updates every 10-15 mins and just checked again, I have -14 and no -15 to update to07:01
jimmacdonaldand I are a unix admin i strater ... :)07:01
nickrudjimmacdonald: rflol07:01
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Oli``Do I have magical future-access to the repos or something? =\07:01
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ArenlorOli`` it would seem so07:02
TheRepackerI haven't used unix since 81, U days07:02
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nickrudOli``: uname -r says -15 ?07:02
Oli``yeah07:02
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Oli``I'm in mandriva (atm - just checking their 2008 livecd) but yeah, it's -15 generic07:02
nickrudOli``: Amaranth was just in here, looking for you07:02
Jordan_UHow does the alternate install CD update script work? I assume that for packages that are not on the CD / DVD they are just grabbed from the repos? What if you are not connected to the internet?07:02
agent9kalbo07:02
AmaranthOli``: I don't even get a -15 available07:02
TheRepackerSystem 3, I might be wrong, lot of dead brain cell now07:03
prakritihow does ubuntu decide wether or not to start Xgl vs Aiglx?07:03
ArenlorI even have Pre-released updates (gutsy-proposed) marked and no -15 Oli``07:03
nickrudJordan_U: you get only a partial upgrade, things that need stuff from the net as dependencies will get held back07:03
Jordan_Uprakriti, If XGL is installed it uses it07:03
Amaranthprakriti: If you install Xgl it gets used07:03
Oli``How the hell has my computer managed to install -15 ? =\07:03
Jordan_Uprakriti, XGL is not installed by default07:03
ArenlorOli`` give me a few minutes and I'll check unsupported and backports07:04
prakritihrm07:04
nickrudI have all the proposed & updates listed as well, and just got a -14 update less than an hour ago07:04
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Oli``but to my knowledge, I don't have any non-standard repos activated...07:04
Arenlornickrud I've had -14 for a bit07:04
Jordan_UOli``, Magic :)07:05
Oli``yeah I've been on -14 for quite a while07:05
nickrudArenlor: also, just an update today07:05
nickrud*I also07:05
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ArenlorOli`` just checked everything, time to see if I can find your -1507:05
Fishfootnot sure if this is a Gutsy bug, but when I mute the volume (e.g. with the Mute key on the keyboard), if I leave it muted for more than 5 seconds then when I unmute it, the volume will be 0, rather than what it was before I muted.. sound familiar to anyone?07:05
prakritido i915 cards work in aiglx?07:06
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ArenlorOli`` you're magic, it's not in any repo07:06
Jordan_Uprakriti, Yes07:06
prakritioh07:06
prakritiwell crap07:06
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prakritithats probably my issue07:06
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Jordan_Uprakriti, Intel cards were one of the first to support AIGLX, long before nvidia :)07:07
AmaranthJordan_U: Wrong.07:07
Amaranthnvidia has supported AIGLX since before compiz existed07:08
prakritiohhhh sweeet07:08
ArenlorOli`` maybe you have a virus or something? I'd uinstall -15 and rm all remnants I'd think07:08
AmaranthJordan_U: You're talking about texture_from_pixmap07:08
prakritithat compeltely fixed it07:09
prakritimy laptop is usable again07:09
AmaranthIt doesn't need AIGLX (for nvidia anyway) and won't in the open source drivers once all the new tech lands (DRI2, ttm, etc)07:09
prakritii wonder how xgl got on there07:09
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Amaranthprakriti: probably installed it a long time ago, forgot about it, then upgraded07:10
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Amaranthlots of people have been doing this and then thinking Xgl is there by default07:10
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Oli``Arenlor: sounds like a plan back in a tick07:11
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Jordan_Uprakriti, With Gutsy's XGL you don't need an extra script, so it probably was installed before but not enabled.07:11
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chayeto na ko07:13
nickrudnow this is a neat effect. I can grab the xchat tree and drag the whole darn thing07:14
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Jordan_UAmaranth, Any Idea around when to expect redirected direct rendering to be available? ( is that part of DRI2 ? )07:15
AmaranthJordan_U: that's ttm07:15
ArenlorDoes anyone know when we're likely to see Firefox 2.0.0.7?07:15
Fishfootnickrud: move the tree to the right side of the window. then try to get it back, I dare you.07:16
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nickrudFishfoot: can't get it to drop there.07:16
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Fishfootif you drop it on top of the user list, it will dock to that side. and then.. it's rather difficult to move it back07:17
Jordan_UAmaranth, What exactly is Glucose? ( sorry for the questions, just havn't found much documentation on it )07:17
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oli_sugar?07:17
AmaranthJordan_U: glucose is basically 'Xgl inside Xorg'07:17
nickrudFishfoot: dropped it on the scrollbar, it disappeared ;(07:17
nickrudnah, there it is07:17
AmaranthJordan_U: it's a new acceleration framework for Xorg that uses Xgl code07:18
Fishfootnickrud: did you get it back to the left side yet?07:18
nickrudFishfoot: nope07:18
FishfootView > Channel Switcher > Tabs. View > Channel Switcher > Tree.07:18
nickrudFishfoot: ah, found that myself ;)07:19
Fishfoothaha, yay.07:19
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nickrudFishfoot: do you know the mechanism for that? is it some new treeview thing, that someone will turn into a nice tool?07:19
Fishfootnickrud: it's krud.07:19
nickrudlol07:19
ArenlorDoes anyone know if this: http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-28.html affects us?07:20
oli_okay... I'm back on -14 and now I can't enable the nvidia driver because (I think) it's gone and upgraded itself for my makebelieve -15... How do I revert it to a sensible version?07:20
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Jordan_UArenlor, I think that's a windows exploit07:21
Arenloroli_ run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade and see if it'll fix it, otherwise try first apt-get remove to remove it and then apt-get install to reinstall it07:22
ArenlorJordan_U figured it was, thanks07:22
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Jordan_UArenlor, That's just IIRC, I think I saw it before07:23
nickrudit says windows, anyway07:23
oli_Arenlor: dist-upgrade did nothing. Don't suppose you know the umbrella package for the restricted nvidia driver, do you?07:25
oli_I'd look myself if I had X =)07:25
cafuegolinux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx-new07:25
oli_cafuego ty07:25
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clustyhey07:29
clustywas wondering if its a standard bug in gutsy: nvidia video card won't wake up after suspend to ram07:30
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oli_here goes nothing07:30
cafuegoclusty: It's probably a bug in the very closed source nvidia driver that the kernel devs can't fix.07:30
BalachmarHi, Gutsy doesn't boot properly it just ends up with a black screen07:31
BalachmarIt does boot into the recovery mode though07:31
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clustycafuego: well i have a friend that uses feisty and suspend works like charmed. same video card07:31
cafuegoclusty: Different driver07:31
BalachmarBut when booting normally I don't really get any errors it just stops at a black screen when it should display the gdm07:32
ArenlorBalachmar, what graphics card?07:32
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clustycafuego: so any chance stuff will work fine with gutsy once it becomes final?07:32
BalachmarArenlor: intel graphics 855 gme or something07:32
cafuegoclusty: Maybe, that depends 100% on nvidia.07:33
cafuegoclusty: It's one of those things where closed source drivers make kernel debugging impossible.07:33
clustycafuego: so its a matter of using glx- instead of glx-new?07:33
cafuegoclusty: So it's unlikely a kernel dev will want to spend any time on the problem.07:33
clustycafuego: i mean progress is coming. before yesterday laptop woould not fall asleep07:34
cafuegoheh07:34
cafuegoWell, you cna try glx-07:34
clustycafuego: just replace glx-new by glx?07:35
cafuegoYeah, see what that does.07:35
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clustycafuego: will try. thanx07:35
Amaranthclusty: HP laptop?07:35
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Oli``wo07:35
clustyAmaranth: sony07:35
Oli``o07:35
ArenlorBalachmar did you make any changes recently to anything such as to compiz or anything like that? also what kernel are you using?07:35
Amaranthclusty: please pastebin your dmesg07:35
clustyAmaranth: ok07:36
Oli``Arenlor and cafuego: thank you =)07:36
Arenlorit working now Oli``?07:36
Oli``yeah back in -14 and nvidia's playing ball07:37
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clustyAmaranth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40776/07:37
AmaranthOli``: what is the output of apt-cache madison linux-source-2.6.22 ?07:38
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clustyAmaranth: what specific info are you looking into?07:38
Amaranthclusty: The same thing I found in mine before I got my suspend to work07:38
Oli``Amaranth:07:39
Oli``linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.46 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages07:39
Oli``linux-source-2.6.22 | 2.6.22-14.46 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources07:39
Amaranthclusty: When you try to resume the cd drive spins up and then nothing else happens, right?07:39
AmaranthOli``: You have have a -15 kernel :P07:39
clustyAmaranth: sony has both intel and nvidia cards. intel works fine07:39
AmaranthOli``: Err, you don't have07:39
Amaranthclusty: When you try to resume the cd drive spins up and then nothing else happens, right?07:39
clustyAmaranth: well, it either does not fall asleep or does nothing07:39
ArenlorAmaranth we just fixed that up for him lol, he was the one who pulled magic remember?07:39
Oli``my /boot/ and grub/menu.lst disagree =\07:40
clustyAmaranth: should i try?07:40
BalachmarArenlor: I just installed it yesterday. It hasn't booted into gnome yet. I haven't changed a thing yet07:40
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BalachmarArenlor: I just reconfigured the xserver and that seems to work07:40
Amaranthclusty: ok, anyway add 'acpi_osi=!Linux acpi_apic_instance=2' to the defoptions line in /boot/grub/menu.lst then run sudo update-grub07:40
Balachmaras I had a login screen just yet07:41
BalachmarArenlor: it works!07:42
Amaranthclusty: The first part makes the system pretend to not be linux so it doesn't get the (usually broken) Linux specific code in your dsdt and the second part works around a BIOS bug (but might not be related)07:42
ArenlorBalachmar, that was what I was going to suggest doing07:42
Oli``ok new problem =) just re-enabled twinview and gnome's panels are spanning both screens...07:43
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Amaranthclusty: You'll have to reboot after adding those, obviously, so you'll be running a kernel that uses them07:43
clusty_Amaranth: rite07:43
Oli``wow everything spanning both windows... time for a restart to see if that fixes it07:43
clusty_Amaranth: add what. pls repost07:43
clusty_Amaranth: cdrom fires up but not display07:43
Amaranthclusty: ok, anyway add 'acpi_osi=!Linux acpi_apic_instance=2' to the defoptions line in /boot/grub/menu.lst then run sudo update-grub07:43
BalachmarArenlor: I just kept searching the forum at the same time. this suggestion came about and looked reasonable :)07:44
BalachmarArenlor thanks for the help07:44
ArenlorBalachmar, Oli`` had a similar problem when he performed magic and got the -15 kernel which isn't out, which was why I asked about that first.07:45
Amaranthclusty_: oh, and to get hibernate to work you have to add something else to that line07:45
Amaranthclusty_: if you want hibernate, that is07:45
clusty_Amaranth: would not hurt having07:45
Amaranthclusty_: ok, do you know what partition is your swap?07:45
clusty_yes07:46
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Amaranthclusty_: add 'resume=/dev/<that partition>' to the defoptions line too07:46
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Amaranthclusty_: so mine is resume=/dev/sda5, for example07:46
Oli``amazing what restarting X can fix07:46
ArenlorOli`` press ctrl+alt+backspace real fast07:47
Amaranthclusty_: No guarantee this stuff will work, of course :)07:47
Oli``Arenlor: yup, just did07:47
ArenlorOli`` ok I had also found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=574851 while you were gone07:48
clusty_Amaranth: defoptions acpi_osi=!Linux acpi_apic_instance=2  resume=/dev/sda4 right?07:48
Amaranthclusty_: no07:48
clusty_i add to command line?07:48
clusty_to kernel booting?07:49
Amaranthclusty_: the line already exists in your menu.lst, it says '# defoptions=quiet splash'07:49
Amaranthclusty_: change it to be '# defoptions=quiet splash acpi_osi=!Linux acpi_apic_instance=2 resume=/dev/sda4'07:49
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clusty_Amaranth: without the comment i guess :D07:49
Amaranthclusty_: no, with the #07:49
Amaranthmenu.lst is magic07:49
zetherooI am wondering if when I upgrade to Gutsy ... will I loose any settings or data?07:49
Oli``shouldn't07:50
Amaranthclusty_: the # makes grub ignore those things but update-grub uses them to generate the boot options07:50
clusty_Amaranth: can i add also the usbsuspend option as well?07:50
Amaranthclusty_: no, ubuntu's kernel does not support usb autosuspend07:50
clusty_Amaranth: ok07:50
Arenlorzetheroo I didn't, all that happened with me is I could make it all pretty now07:50
Amaranthclusty_: because it breaks printers and scanners (and a bunch of mice and keyboards)07:50
clusty_Amaranth: will do now a updategrub07:50
zetherooArenlor: what about mail accounts and Bookmarks etc?07:51
Amaranthclusty_: after you do update-grub pastebin the menu.lst so I can make sure it's correct07:51
Amaranthclusty_: because if it's not you won't be able to boot :P07:51
Arenlorzetheroo nope they all stayed07:51
clusty_clusty: have CD's and know how to bootstrap it :D07:52
clusty_posting anyways07:52
clusty_Amaranth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40780/07:52
Amaranthclusty_: looks good, time to reboot :)07:53
clusty_Amaranth: bombs away :D07:53
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Amarantheww he dual boots vista :P07:54
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ArenlorAmaranth, use to, but got sick of it taking up space07:54
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AmaranthArenlor: I meant clusty :)07:55
ArenlorVista is what caused me to switch to linux in the first place07:55
Oli``Amen07:55
AmaranthI used to dual boot XP just for Halo and to make my sound work (really weird bug that was)07:55
ArenlorAmaranth, I know, just saying, don't judge, he may be required for school/work to run it07:55
Amaranthgot rid of it, vmware supports USB devices :)07:56
Amaranthand i don't play halo anymore07:56
ArenlorAmaranth, what would PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 7 of bridge 0000:00:05.0 mean?07:56
AmaranthArenlor: Nothing07:56
AmaranthArenlor: everyone gets that07:56
ArenlorWhy do we all get it, because it's beta?07:57
AmaranthArenlor: No, I've always gotten that07:57
AmaranthWell, since dapper at least when I started paying attention07:57
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ArenlorI only got it once I hit Gutsy, had to reinstall the other day with Feisty and that wasn't there07:58
riotkittiesigh.07:58
cafuegoArenlor: it's just the kernel printing some debug info, you cna safely ignore it.07:58
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cafuegoI mean, I get 3 of 'em :-)07:58
dxdtWill Kubuntu be behind Gutsy again?  As in lacking some of the cool features like the auto effects install and stuffs like that?  I feel that Kubuntu is often always 1 step behind ubuntu :-/07:59
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clustyAmaranth: you are a fokin wizard07:59
ArenlorI do get a bug PCI: BIOS BUG #81[49435000]  found and I get a problem which is fixed with noapic07:59
clustythanx07:59
Amaranthclusty: suspend and hibernate work now?07:59
dxdtSpecifically, I see screenshots of the cool auto desktop effects enabler and such and wonder if that will be in Kubuntu?07:59
clustyAmaranth: how did you know. and tell me what does the acpi thing mean08:00
clustyAmaranth: like charmed08:00
Amaranthclusty: Awesome!08:00
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Amaranthclusty: I have the exact same problem08:00
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clustyAmaranth: screen looks funny while suspending: looks like decaying :D08:00
Amaranthclusty: Some companies tried to be good and add linux specific code in their acpi implementation but it's usually broken or just out-of-date08:01
Amaranthclusty: So you make the system tell acpi it's not linux08:01
clustyAmaranth: sony is included?08:01
Amaranthclusty: Apparently08:01
Amaranthclusty: Oh, you get the gray screen with weird lines and crap on it? :)08:01
clustyAmaranth: yeah08:01
AmaranthYeah, that's something with nvidia08:02
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AmaranthNo big deal though08:02
clustyAmaranth: i can;t complain about sony support. they have the sonypi controller08:02
clustyAmaranth: wrote my own C code to controll fan :D08:02
Amaranthhehe, one of those08:02
AmaranthI have no control over my fan08:02
clustyAmaranth: make it more silent while iddleing08:02
cafuegoAmaranth: cocktail stick to stop/start it ;-)08:03
clustyAmaranth: not very smart though. i have to ram down it throat the spindown command: evey 500ms08:03
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AmaranthWish I did, it comes on too soon. If I could raise the temp it comes on at by a couple degrees it would almost never come on08:03
cafuegoit would come on when the stick charred08:03
Amaranthhahaha08:03
AmaranthApparently on the macbooks the hardware doesn't control the fan at all08:04
AmaranthSo if something in the kernel (or userspace) isn't controlling it it won't come on at all08:04
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clustyAmaranth: nice toasty componen ts?08:04
ArenlorI have the problem of looking and seeing it being 65C and the fan being off, and it never goes into the high mode, so it's hard to get it back down to 40 where I want it to be lol08:04
Amaranthclusty: hehe, yeah08:05
AmaranthArenlor: Wow I tend to idle at 4808:05
clustymy cpus are around 42 degress while iddleing08:05
clustymy GPU is 5008:05
Amaranthmy GPU is 42 :P08:05
clustyand its a crappy old 740008:05
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Amaranthclusty: GeForce Go 7400 ftw08:05
cafuegoH'ah08:06
clustyall hot components are connected to same heat pipe08:06
Amaranthclusty: We basically have the same laptop, I bet08:06
Amaranthclusty: Just a different case08:06
clustyguess so08:06
Arenlorcurrently holding steady at 50C08:06
clustymake a test today: glxgears runs at 2k FPS on 740008:06
clustyand at 9k on 840008:06
clusty:D08:06
clustywhat governors are you guys using?08:07
cafuegoand at 14k on my 570008:07
cafuegoooh, 17k!08:07
Amaranthclusty: damn i only get 120008:07
AmaranthI use powersave08:07
cafuegoAmaranth: make the window tiny, speeds it up nicely.08:07
clustyoscilating in between ondemand and conservative08:07
AmaranthThey say ondemand is better overall for power savings but powersave keeps the fan from coming on08:07
Amaranthpowersave locks it to 1Ghz08:07
Amaranth(my lowest setting)08:08
clustysame08:08
clusty:D08:08
clusty7300?08:08
clusty:D08:08
clustytalking of CPU08:08
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AmaranthI have a Core Duo, not a Core 2 Duo08:08
clusty2ghz 4mb cache08:08
clustyok08:08
AmaranthT250008:09
Amaranth2mb cache08:09
clustyhow can i change de default governor?08:09
AmaranthWell, /proc/cpuinfo says 2MB for each core08:09
clustytired of setting manually08:09
clustywell its shared the cache08:09
clustythats main diff with amd08:09
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cafuegoclusty: via the applet, it should remember it08:10
Amaranthclusty: /apps/gnome-power-manager/cpufreq in gconf-editor08:10
clustyamd makes each core with own cache, while intel has double and shared08:10
se7en^Of^9Need to get 197MB/197MB of archives. jesus ...08:10
Amaranthpolicy_ac and policy_battery08:10
Amaranthse7en^Of^9: OOo upgrades suck08:10
ArenlorDoes anyone know what I can do, I have 1GB of RAM but only 882.9 is seen as existing08:10
AmaranthArenlor: Your kernel took the rest08:11
se7en^Of^9yes Amaranth i hate the oO updates08:11
cafuegoArenlor: Any video ram shared by the on-board vga?08:11
Amaranthse7en^Of^9: OOo = openoffice08:11
ArenlorCafuego, yes, but even counting that in, it's only taking 128, so maybe Amaranth is right about the kernel taking it08:12
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clustyalso CPUs never use any intermediate settings08:13
clustyjust 1 GHZ or 208:13
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cafuego882+128 leaves about 12Mb for the kernel.08:14
Arenlorwould that sound about right?08:15
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cafuegoWith all the newfangled stuff today's kernels have, yeah that would be approximately right08:15
cafuegoif not, we'll have to sacrifice Fujitsu08:16
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clustythere is still something very wrong with gutsy08:17
clustyjust saw my console text spinning around08:17
clustylike synch speed was too high for display08:18
erichjis the gnome loading screen going to make an appearance? or is it always going to be that blank ugly camel colored background?08:18
erichji expected that the RC would have had this issue resolved08:19
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Arenlorerichj go to System > Administration > Login Window then local, and choose a new theme.08:20
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rafael__hello08:20
erichjArenlor, tried that.08:20
rafael__the avant-window-navigator works on the ubuntu gutsy ?08:20
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rafael__how ?08:20
erichjparts of gutsy seem like a regression08:20
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Arenlorerichj my theme change worked for me08:21
rafael__the avant-window-navigator works on the ubuntu gutsy ?08:21
clustyi get some bogus network interface called eth0:avah08:21
clustywhat might this be?08:21
erichjArenlor, I'm not disputing that, but it doesn't work for me08:22
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Arenlorerichj try configuring xorg again and see if that maybe helps, or maybe it's something in grub's menu.lst08:23
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Arenlorclusty can you tell me the inet addr of eth0:avah from ifconfig08:25
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clustyArenlor: 169.254.7.25408:25
clustyreally weird...08:25
clustywhat does it do?08:25
Arenlorhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=576614&highlight=avah08:26
amrhello, how to use mp3 preview in gusty it was working in feisty but after i installed gusty it's not working08:26
Arenlorread that over and see if the suggested solution works08:26
Arenlorrafael__ synaptic does not list avant-window-navigator as a package available08:26
clustyArenlor: nothing wrong really, i just don't whats the purpose :D. will read to figure out if there is a problem08:27
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clustyArenlor: whats this interface?08:27
Arenlor169.254.*.* is a reserved IP for when DHCP is not working, so whatever eth0 normally is (which is your wired network most likely) is not working right, let me look up what avah is08:29
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jscinoz_gah xchat crashed08:30
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jscinoz_in the most recent alsa update was something changed with the driver hda-intel, some of the options i had in alsamixer are no longer there (mainly the switch to use mic as output)08:30
Amaranthmy video card was doing that fun thing where it runs at half speed or something, i get 2400 from glxgears now :P08:31
Arenlorhere's some info on avah(i) clusty:08:31
ArenlorThis tool implements IPv4LL, "Dynamic Configuration of IPv4 Link-Local08:31
ArenlorAddresses" (IETF RFC3927), a protocol for automatic IP address08:31
Arenlorconfiguration from the link-local 169.254.0.0/16 range without the08:31
Arenlorneed for a central server. It is primarily intended to be used in08:31
Arenlorad-hoc networks which lack a DHCP server.08:31
clustyArenlor: its fine really cause i am on wireless now08:31
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clustyArenlor: wooow. cute. dhcp was a bitch to setup always08:31
tbfgutsy - aka freeze or crash all the time :-(08:32
rafael__well, i did the upgrade of feisty to gutsy, and my compiz is not working right, what can i do ?08:32
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Arenlorrafael__ go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects and put it on extra08:33
rafael__Arenlor, my compiz setting manager is not opening08:34
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Arenlorthen make sure to apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager08:34
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tbfgah, now it is not even starting!08:35
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rafael__Arenlor, the last u said, is installed already, but when i click on that to open, nothing happens08:35
Amaranthrafael__: You used trevinho's repo08:36
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rafael__i dont know.. possible08:36
Amaranthrafael__: You have 'compiz fusion' on feisty?08:36
rafael__i had08:37
rafael__:)08:37
rafael__so i upgraded it to gutsy08:37
rafael__compiz is working here. because i just installed my avant08:37
Amaranthrafael__: Then either everything is still working great (using my repo) or everything is broken (using his)08:37
rafael__so08:37
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rafael__what can i do now ?08:37
Amaranthrafael__: This is why you don't use random 3rd party repos08:37
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rafael__:)08:38
Amaranthrafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig* emerald libemeraldengine*08:38
rafael__dang !08:38
Amaranthrafael__: then reinstall08:38
rafael__Amaranth, reinstall from where ?08:38
rafael__sudo apt-get install compiz ?08:38
Amaranthyeah08:38
rafael__omg08:39
rafael__Amaranth, hahaha hope it works08:39
rafael__other thing08:39
rafael__after upgrade my feisty to gutsy08:39
rafael__after the login and password08:39
rafael__to start the gnome, turned a bit slow08:39
rafael__i need to see the orange screen amost 1 minute08:39
rafael__can i do something to fix it ?08:39
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Arenlorrafael__ this may fix that08:40
clustyrafael__: for me takes same amout to boot and load gnome08:40
Amaranthrafael__: same bug, you're using trevinho's crap08:40
Amaranthhe makes compiz start with --sm-disable which stalls the session start for about 60 seconds08:41
rafael__Amaranth, are u sure about libemeraldengine*  ?08:41
rafael__Amaranth, apt-get remove is not finding that08:41
clustyAmaranth: dud, i think you got yourself a groupie08:41
clusty<---------08:41
Amaranthrafael__: Then take that part off08:41
Amaranthclusty: hehe08:42
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rafael__Amaranth, could u tell me how can i do it ecxtally, please08:42
clustyAmaranth: i would say i loved you, but that would be just gay :D08:42
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rafael__Amaranth, application > add remove > preferences ?08:42
rafael__there ?08:42
Amaranthrafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig*08:42
rafael__ok08:42
rafael__Amaranth, and now ?08:43
Amaranthrafael__: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop08:43
rafael__Amaranth, already in the newest version08:44
Arenlorclusty, there are over 40 different version of love in the Bible alone, when Jesus asks do you love me three times it's actually two different loves. You can love Amaranth as a brother maybe lol (or it could be hero/idol-worship :P)08:44
AmaranthArenlor: I'll vote for worship ;)08:44
clustyArenlor: halleluja08:44
clustyArenlor: so say we all :D08:44
rafael__u 2 funny08:44
rafael__:P08:44
Amaranthclusty: Actually I sort of got that from the nvidia forums08:45
rafael__Amaranth, newest version already.. what is the next step friend ?08:45
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AmaranthSomeone mentioned the acpi_apic part in there and then I grepped my dmesg for acpi and found the !Linux part08:45
Amaranthrafael__: You didn't do the first part08:45
Amaranthrafael__: sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* libcompizconfig*08:45
rafael__Amaranth, i did08:45
Amaranthrafael__: Not possible08:45
level1_hi, I think guidance-power-manager is causing trouble for me but I can't figure out how to prevent it form starting on start up in kde... how do I do that?08:45
Amaranthrafael__: If you remove compiz ubuntu-desktop gets uninstalled08:46
rafael__Amaranth, oh.. couldn't find package compiz08:46
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Amaranthrafael__: sudo apt-get install compiz08:46
clustyAmaranth: so what gave you info from all that dmesg crap?08:46
rafael__Amaranth, installed08:47
clustyAmaranth: i most aCPI stuff is jibberish to me08:47
Amaranthclusty: [   11.281272]  ACPI: System BIOS is requesting _OSI(Linux)           [   11.281277]  ACPI: Please test with "acpi_osi=!Linux"08:47
rafael__Amaranth, now that command to remove ?08:47
clustyAmaranth: duhh. better read warning messages next time08:47
Amaranthrafael__: no08:48
rafael__alright..08:48
Amaranthrafael__: now what is the output from 'compiz.real --version'?08:48
jscinoz_how does one acess that new ubufox thing to install firefox extensions, is it through a menu in firefox or somewhere outside the program08:48
Amaranthjscinoz_: in firefox08:48
rafael__Amaranth, how can i see the output ?08:48
Amaranthjscinoz_: in the extension viewer08:48
Amaranthrafael__: uh, you are running these things from a terminal, right?08:48
jscinoz_looking at it, only has a disable and about option >_<08:48
rafael__Amaranth, sorry i made a mistake08:48
rafael__Amaranth, compiz 0.6.108:49
Amaranthrafael__: ok, you should be alright08:49
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Amaranthrafael__: but i suppose you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager again too08:49
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rafael__yes i need08:49
rafael__hehe08:49
rafael__Amaranth, how did u learn that ?08:49
clustyany1 into prison break?08:50
Arenlorjscinoz_ in the bottom right, Get Ubuntu Addons08:50
Amaranthrafael__: I'm the compiz guy for ubuntu :p08:50
jscinoz_ah08:50
clustyrafael__: do a whois on him :08:50
clustyD08:50
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clustyand you will see where he hangs out08:50
jscinoz_ah using allinonesidebar hid that option08:50
Amaranthclusty: oops, i forgot to hide that08:50
rafael__Amaranth, installed but that is not on my system administration ?08:50
Amaranthclusty: you won't now :)08:50
Amaranthrafael__: System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects Settings08:51
clustyAmaranth: no secret really08:51
Amaranthclusty: I couple of them are08:51
Amaranths/I/A/08:51
rafael__oh08:51
clustyAmaranth: why? and which?08:51
clusty:D08:51
rafael__omg08:51
rafael__Amaranth, next time my ubuntu will turn on faster ?08:51
Amaranthclusty: I'll never tell :P08:51
Amaranthrafael__: It should08:51
rafael__Amaranth, u know only compiz things ?08:52
rafael__i have other problem here08:52
clustyAmaranth: now you are foked08:52
rafael__for while. .thank u very much i wouldnt know how to do that08:52
rafael__Amaranth, thanks08:52
rafael__clusty, he is not :P08:52
clustyAmaranth: the JC complex all over again :D08:52
Amaranthrafael__: Ask away, maybe I'll know, maybe someone else will08:52
rafael__what is jc complex ?08:52
rafael__alright08:52
Arenlorclusty just open up the channel list and join them ALL and see where he's at08:53
rafael__here i have a sony vaio notebook08:53
clustyjc=jesus christ08:53
rafael__and im not sure but i think when i turn it on and i press ctrl alt f2 to see the system loading08:53
clustyyou know the leprosy ppl jumping on the saviour08:53
rafael__i get error message from uvcvideo08:53
AmaranthI don't even know what that is :/08:53
clustyrafael__: webcam?08:54
rafael__i think its that eyemotion, that computers webcam08:54
rafael__un08:54
clustyits useless08:54
rafael__i know08:54
rafael__so08:54
rafael__can i disable this uvcvideo ?08:54
clustyonly ekiga supports webcams08:54
rafael__rmmod ? something /08:54
rafael__?08:54
rafael__clusty, my amsn too08:54
AmaranthIf you don't need the webcam just ignore it08:54
rafael__:)08:54
rafael__yes.. i can ignore08:54
clustyrafael__: amsn has webcams08:54
rafael__but its not nice to see  uvcvideo error08:54
clustycuuuute08:54
rafael__amsn is strange08:54
rafael__sometimes i think that make voodoo to my webcam works right08:55
clustyshame that latest kernel foked up my webcam again08:55
rafael__because i cant use that on xawtv or camstream08:55
rafael__only on amsn08:55
rafael__dont know how08:55
Amaranthclusty: kopete supports msn and yahoo video too08:55
rafael__dont know why08:55
clustyxawtv gives me X errors08:55
clustyAmaranth: why wont pidgin ppl import the code08:55
clustyAmaranth: ppl are bugging them non stop08:56
Amaranthclusty: I dunno but pidgin will hopefully be replaced soon08:56
rafael__Amaranth, the compiz is a bit strange .. i cant see that ubuntu write on the top of the cube, and the cube is big. maybe something about the zoom...08:56
rafael__i will configure it later08:56
Amaranthclusty: We have this thing called telepathy08:56
rafael__telepathy ?08:56
rafael__hehe08:56
clustyAmaranth: well pidgin just came to life :D08:56
clustyAmaranth: 6 months maybe?08:56
Amaranthtelepathy is a cross-desktop presence framework08:56
clustymeaning?08:57
AmaranthMeaning every app on your desktop could use it to support msn, aim, etc08:57
rafael__Amaranth, on my feisty on the main bar.. on the left side of the Applications i had an icon there.. but now other icon appeared there.. could i do something to change it again?08:57
AmaranthLike evolution could tell you what people in your address book are online08:58
clustyAmaranth: rite08:58
AmaranthBut there are a couple regular pidgin-like apps for it too and they expect to have msn video working soon08:58
clustyshame i hate evolution08:58
avatar_empathy is a nice im client based om lib-telepathy08:58
Amaranthempathy, yeah08:58
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avatar_i use it for msn/jabber08:59
avatar_sip support is on the works08:59
Amaranthtelepathy supports msn, jabber, aim, irc, sip (voip), etc08:59
AmaranthI think the sip one can do video already08:59
AmaranthBut it's experimental08:59
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clustyi am comfused :D09:00
clustywhich can do video09:00
Arenlortelepathy and empathy, as long as they don't use apathy or anything like that09:00
clustyand suport yahoo/msn09:00
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Amaranthclusty: only kopete (kde app) right now09:01
Amaranthclusty: In the next 6 months or so empathy should support videophone and msn video09:01
clustyAmaranth: guess voice over skype will just have to do for now09:01
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clustyAmaranth: can barely bare with kile09:01
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clustyAmaranth: but i am writing my thesis and need something that can support projects :D09:02
riotkittieyay. maybe gutsy will go onto my external drive now.09:02
rafael__un09:02
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rafael__i forgot where is the place to change the ubuntu logo09:03
Jordan_UIs it hard to install Gutsy to USB or Firewire?09:03
rafael__some place on my folder09:03
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tech0007:-D09:04
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clustyJordan_U: not really. if your PC can boot from usb09:04
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riotkittiebut i'm going to be perturbed if that wasnt the issue after all. so. D:09:05
rredd4i just got rc working with a dell c810 and also have vmare server with xp in the rc.09:06
Amaranthrafael__: Don't PM me09:06
tech0007just upgraded to GutsyRC..its not that different from Feisty at all09:06
Amaranthrafael__: Ask here09:06
rafael__Amaranth, ok. i will send a screenshot09:06
Amaranthrafael__: I only know things that I've had to deal with09:06
Jordan_Uclusty, So basically just point the installer and GRUB to the USB drive?09:06
AmaranthSo no webcam or cube09:06
AmaranthBecause I don't use cube :P09:06
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rafael__Amaranth, no no09:06
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clustyJordan_U: and PC has to be able to boot from usb09:07
rafael__Amaranth, i want to change that icon on the left side of "applications" on the main bar09:07
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Jordan_Uclusty, Obviously :)09:07
rafael__Amaranth, i did it before, but im no finding now09:07
Amaranthrafael__: that's distributor-logo09:07
rafael__yes yes09:07
clustyJordan_U: allrighty then09:07
rafael__Amaranth, its some hidden folder on my personal folder isnt it ?09:07
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Amaranthrafael__: it's in whatever icon theme you use09:08
rafael__Amaranth, that is the problem. im using the theme i was using on feisty09:09
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rafael__Amaranth, but on themes options here its in blank09:09
foxinesswhat is the last ver of FF come with gutsy?09:12
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emanuelezpostfix09:13
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clustyfoxiness: this is gutsy chanel09:15
clustyfoxiness: its 2.0.0.6 for gutsy09:15
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reberhi all. Where can i download gutsy cd (if possible) ?09:16
foxinessreber: ubuntu.com09:16
reberfoxiness, great.09:17
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reberfoxiness, maybe here : http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download ?09:17
foxinessclusty: thanks am on it but ff not stable at all ,coz that am asking to make sure it upgrade well with other part09:18
foxinessreber: yes09:18
tech0007jst upgrade to GutsyRC, do i need to recompile via openchrome driver coz i did that in Feisty?09:18
rebervaluable info, thanks09:18
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clustyfoxiness: works just fine. no crash in 2 weeks since i have it09:18
clustyreber: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/09:19
clustyone thing: worth getting the 64 bit ubuntu?09:19
foxinessclusty: me too but not soomth it hang for sec 1-5 on every new tab09:19
clustyfoxiness: have tons of crap installed?09:20
clustyextensions i mean09:20
foxinesssure :) why then i use it09:20
clustyfoxiness: you can downgrade anyways if you don't like it i guess09:20
foxinessclusty: great idea i will wait until final release if nothing changed i will do it09:22
clustyfoxiness: no use upgrading anyways09:22
clustydifferences are minor09:22
clusty...if any09:22
foxinessclusty: i will look to add-one and will delete what not needed any more09:24
clustyfoxiness: i use just bibTex addon and adblocker09:25
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foxinessclusty: me more than 20 add-ons x)09:26
clustythere you go09:26
rafael__someone knows how can i turn a folder into a file tar.gz?09:26
cwgannonright click, "Create Archive"09:26
cafuegotar cfz file.tar.gz folder09:26
cwgannonhahaha09:26
clustyrafael__: tar -cvzf <blah.tar.gz> <>folder09:27
clusty:D09:27
rafael__thank u very much09:27
rafael__u all geek09:27
clustyi speak geek :D09:27
foxiness:) i donot think soo cwgannon is not09:27
cwgannon:)09:28
cwgannoni had compiz fusion and emerald installed in feisty, now w/ the upgrade they're gone but only sort of ... can somebody explain what went on?09:28
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foxinesscwgannon: i hope someone answer ur Q:... am interested too09:29
tech0007 jst upgrade to GutsyRC, do i need to recompile via openchrome driver coz i did that in Feisty?09:30
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cwgannonemerald is gone, but as i understand it, compiz fusion comes with gutsy ... but it left over compizconfig settings manager (which i get to from 'System, Preferences') and when i try to open that, it doesn't work ... so i am trying to figure out if i can somehow keep the integrated fusion while at the same time use the compizconfig settings manager of old and emerald ... any help at all would be much appreciated09:31
clustytry purging all compiz related stuff and reinstall it09:32
clustybug Amaranth , he is the compiz guru09:32
foxinessclusty: now i disable more than a half of my add-ons and i will see if make it more stable09:33
clustyfoxiness: :D good choice09:33
rafael__is possible to change the distributor-logo  on gutsy ?09:33
rafael__im trying the same way i did on feisty and its not working09:34
clustyrafael__: whats that?09:34
rafael__that icon on the main bar09:34
Amaranthcwgannon: Do not PM without permission.09:34
rafael__left side of applications09:34
Amaranthcwgannon: I'm rather busy right now, try #compiz-fusion09:34
cwgannoneek09:34
cwgannonsorry09:34
foxinessclusty: i found "ubufox" did u know what is that?09:34
clustyfoxiness: no idea09:34
magnetronfoxiness: ubufox is the firefox for ubuntu, with extension APT support09:35
clustymagnetron: what does that do?09:36
magnetronfirefox?09:36
clustymagnetron: like getting flash support and stuff?09:36
magnetronyeah09:36
foxinessmagnetron: good u tell me that b4 i disable it09:36
magnetronfoxiness: Synaptic shows you a description of each package09:37
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dorkfaceI just installed a machine with gutsy that has two monitors.  As of now, both monitors show the same desktop.  Where can I look to see how to change it so that each monitor has its own desktop?09:37
clustydorkface: what video card?09:38
dorkface8800gts09:38
clustydorkface: nvidia-settings09:38
clustywith sudo09:38
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dorkfaceah, thank you09:38
clustydorkface: you got yourself a fokin monster amigo :D09:39
dorkfacehehe09:39
dorkfaceq6600 as well09:39
clustywhats that?09:39
clustyquad09:39
clusty:D09:39
dorkfaceDon't want to get too off topic here :-D09:39
clustyguess its fine09:39
clustynot high volume traffic09:40
dorkfaceah :-)09:40
clustyworking on a quad with 2 gtx's SLIed :D09:40
dorkfaceand yes, its a quad, hehe09:40
foxinessmagnetron: thanks for let me know that :) "cool"09:40
mfabbridoes anybody know where the mount options of the new disk Properties dialog get stored?09:40
dorkfaceGonna be a hot machine :)09:41
clustymfabbri: meaning?09:41
clustydorkface: maybe hot but very silent09:41
foxinessmfabbri: System>removeable disk09:41
mfabbrifoxiness, thank you09:41
fermat_Hello all. Can someone estimate the difference between the release candidate of gutsy and the final version? Does it make sense to wait two days for the final version, or is there no disadvantage when I install now?09:42
clustyfermat_: wait 1 week extra :D09:42
clustyprolly patches will be flying around for first few days09:42
mfabbrifoxiness, I can't see any mount point...09:43
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dorkfaceSince I just isntalled RC version of gutsy, is it possible to be just fine doing "apt-get upgrade" or do  I HAVE to use the update manager?09:44
foxinessmfabbri: where u are now?09:44
clustydorkface: use dist-upgrade09:44
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alecwhI'm using a dell latitude D630, and I'm having problems connecting with my school's WPA network. All my friend's macs and windows PCs connect fine, but my computer just won't connect. The WPA pass is correct. Can anyone help? I'm using NDisWrapper I think with my wifi card.09:44
clustydorkface: that does "smart" upgrading09:44
mfabbrifoxiness, System, Preferences, Removable Drives and Media...09:44
rafael__i cant do it =\09:44
dorkfaceah09:44
yeagersomeone else has their logs full of apparmor stuff from avahi-daemon wanting to update localtime?09:44
fermat_aha, ok. I'll wait. thanks :-)09:45
mfabbriclusty, I mean when you change something in the Volume tab of a disk Propreties09:45
yeagers/update/read/09:45
clustymfabbri: cant help you sorry. i edit most of the config files09:45
clustymfabbri: what you wanna change?09:46
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mfabbriclusty, i got a vfat disk automounted as read-only and so i changed the options in the aformentioned tab...09:47
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hugolphi, anyone in Gutsy not being able to conect to the net after this morning updates?09:47
clustythe mounting stuff is governed by /etc/fstab09:47
mfabbriclusty, but I ended up somewhat mispelling the mount point09:48
clustymfabbri: thats easy09:48
mfabbriclusty, there is no clue of it in /etc/fstab09:48
foxinessmfabbri: if u right click u can see the last two tab09:48
clustymfabbri: gnome automounter does not do its thing?09:48
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emonkey-pno I'm here09:48
neztitihi guys09:49
neztitianyone use dvb card here?09:49
mfabbrifoxiness, I got two partitions on the disk the vfat partition doesn't get mounted the other one yes09:49
hugolpneztiti:  I do09:49
clustymfabbri: just add the lines in fstab09:49
clustyits really easy09:50
alecwhI'm using a dell latitude D630, and I'm having problems connecting with my school's WPA network. All my friend's macs and windows PCs connect fine, but my computer just won't connect. The WPA pass is correct. Can anyone help? I'm using NDisWrapper I think with my wifi card. I have a topic @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3541789&posted=1#post3541789 , but my question wasn't really answered.09:50
neztitihugolp: did u have gbox works with gusty?09:50
clustyalecwh: i guess no1 knows anything about the subject09:50
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hugolpdont know whats gbox09:51
riotkittiealecwh: are you using wpa_supplicant? also, i dont think thats the proper link ;)09:51
mfabbriclusty, ok this should fix it but being a removable storage I'd like automount to take care of it09:51
hugolpI have a three dvb cards and they were working on gutsy after I recompile from the v4l-dvb trunk09:51
neztitihugolp: its client to share with dreambox recievers09:51
hugolpneztiti:  Im from Barcelona, never heard of that before09:52
clustymfabbri: really weird that gnome wont do it for you09:52
neztitihugolp: its  strange man  that u have dvb card and u dont use gbox09:53
mfabbriclusty, Gnome is compelling that I mispelled the mount-point and doesn't mount the disk...09:53
hugolpneztiti:  never heard of it, I use mythtv09:53
neztitihugolp:  witch card do u have???09:53
mfabbriclusty, error message: mount_point cannot contain the following characters: newline G_DIR_SEPARATOR (usually /)09:54
hugolpwintv dvb-t 50009:54
hugolpaver media volar09:54
hugolpand some wintv dvb-s09:54
neztitihugolp:  its not dvb application . its plugin09:54
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hugolpneztiti:  what is it for?09:54
neztitiits 2 share the channels with the dreambox recievers09:55
hugolpwhats a dreambox reciever?09:55
alecwhriotkittie: yes, I am I think09:55
neztitiits home reciever09:55
hugolpneztiti:  what exactly is a home reciever? Im not originally english speaker09:56
alecwhriotkittie, that was the wrong lnk, just ignore it. Can you help me?09:56
clustymfabbri: no idea. i mount/unmount lots of stuff by hand09:57
clusty:D09:57
neztitiits dvb machine to watch the sats channels09:57
clustyhave fun guys09:58
clustybye bye09:58
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tech0007!fixres09:59
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto09:59
mfabbrifoxiness, do you think this problem should be fixable by the gui?09:59
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jmghi all09:59
rafael__=(  how can i change the distributor-logo  on gutsy ?09:59
jmganyone know about how to disable dpms in ubuntu+1? i have dpms false in xorg.conf09:59
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alecwhhow do I find out if I have a Broadcom BCM4306 wifi card?10:01
nanonymetry dmesg?10:01
nanonymethat is, dmesg|less there's a lot of text there10:01
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neztitihugolp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox10:03
dorkfaceHmm...I tried "nvidia-settings", but all it does is give me a window that gives me a few checkboxes that have little to do with what I want10:07
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hugolpneztiti:  can you have mythtfrontend in one of this boxes?10:17
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hetaumait is quite often that emerald crashes. When that happens I can't alt+f2 so I run emerald--replace again. and if I run it from the console with emerald --replace& when I close that terminal it dies too10:28
hetaumawhat can I do ?10:28
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Tomcat_hetauma: I'd suggest to file a bug (to trace the crashes of emerald) and then disable desktop effects... working like that is not really possible.10:30
hetaumaTomcat_, it's not that often to really cause serious problems. I should look around in launchpad for bug reports10:31
tolonugahi. what is the proper way to install a minimal gutsy server (meant to run xen as xen0 only)?10:31
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Tomcat_hetauma: And for it dying when the terminal closes... when you call emerald, there will be a line "[X]  YYYYY". Use "disown X" so the terminal won't "own" the emerald job.10:35
hetaumaTomcat_, nice ty10:36
hetaumatolonuga, actually it seems that it is disown YYYY10:37
hetaumaTomcat_, *10:37
Tomcat_hetauma: Did you try?10:37
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hetaumayes10:38
Tomcat_hetauma: Because X is a "job spec", Y is only a PID... disown *usually* takes a job spec. :)10:38
Monkeygillanyone else experiencing broken samba after the last series of updates?10:38
Tomcat_hetauma: But I don't really know, just looked it up myself.10:38
hetaumaTomcat_, for X it gave me no such job10:38
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sikor_sxesince i updated to gutsy my card reader only mounts sd-cards as readonly10:40
sikor_sxeis there something i can do about this?10:40
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rafael__i use tilda here.. when i minimize an maximize .. that turn white.. i need to close and open the program again.10:49
rafael__anyone knows how to fix ?10:49
Almindoris it known that last update is broken if you have audacious installed? (same file in 2 packages error again)10:49
rafael__tilda ? no problem ?10:49
rafael__Almindor, did u change your ubuntu logo on the main bar ?10:50
Almindorradius, ?10:50
Almindorhups10:51
Almindorrafael__, ?10:51
rafael__Almindor, that ubuntu icon on the left side of "applications" on the main bar10:51
rafael__Almindor, ah its not about your audacius.. its my question only10:52
rafael__hehe10:52
Almindor/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so is in audacious-plugins AND in audacious-plugins-extra10:52
rafael__i dont use audacius10:52
rafael__i think gutsy is faster than feisty. my internet turned faster too o_O voodoo ?10:52
kRushwhat is a .run file?10:52
rafael__Amaranth, hey, do u know if is it possible to change the distributor-logo ?10:53
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Almindorhmm aparently it's reported already10:54
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nikolamhello10:58
emanuelezhmmm... totally off-topic... i don't believe the word interestingness exists... what can be used instead? :P10:59
nikolamI installed gutsy but I cant find power settings in screensaver settings10:59
nikolamis that power settings anyway else, and I am missing to see them?11:00
nikolamits Xubuntu 64-bit rc11:00
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databuddydpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/audacious-plugins_1.3.5-3ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): //// trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/audacious/General/libcurl.so', which is also in package audacious-plugins-extra11:02
databuddyknown bug?11:02
nikolam#macedonia11:02
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rohan_what package does kubuntu use to display OSD when i control volume using volume keys on keyboard ?11:04
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nikolamIs there any power settings (for screen, etc) ?11:07
databuddybi11:08
databuddyno11:08
databuddydepreciated11:08
rohannikolam: in kubuntu or ubuntu ?11:08
nikolamxubuntu11:08
databuddyo11:08
rohannikolam: oh, sorry no idea11:08
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databuddyin gnome its depreciated11:08
databuddy~_~11:08
nikolamThere was in screensavers before, now nothing11:08
databuddywhich i hate11:08
rohandatabuddy: what is deprecated ?11:08
nikolamShould I post a bug about that?11:08
rohanuse gnome-power-manager ?11:08
rohannikolam: yes11:08
nikolamOK :)11:08
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databuddyrohan gnome advanced pref on screensaver11:10
databuddyvery sucky11:10
nikolamHey man, xubuntu11:10
rohandatabuddy: oh no idea, don't use gnome11:11
nikolamok :)11:11
NeatcheeHey all, I'm still having a network problem after upgrading to Gutsy.  Every 10-15mins i will lost connectivity.  I'm on wireless and the signal is not being dropped, but I get disconnected from any connected services (AIM, IRC, etc) and can't make new connections.  Internal network traffic is uneffected11:12
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NeatcheeThis includes regular browsing.  DNS lookups timeout.11:13
NeatcheeBut local network activity is unhindered11:13
Amaranthemanuelez: interest :)11:13
rohanany kubuntu developers hanging around here ?11:14
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Ximalcould anyone help me with pidgin messenger please ?11:30
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rohanXimal: yes ?11:30
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Ximalim trying to get the myspace plugin working on pidgin msngr11:31
rohanXimal: oh sorry, no idea about that. never used it.11:32
gunashekarh11:35
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modumasshey all, um, cant upgrade to Gibbon, i keep getting this error http://www.pastebin.org/4954 .. any ideas?11:38
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jscinoz_hey guys11:53
jscinozi was browsing around and noticed the awesome looking grub menu that Linux Mint has (http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/celena/grub.png), how is this done? simply through a view lines in menu.lst that move things around and set a background image? and if so what lines should i add.11:54
daengbomodumass: you there?11:54
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daengbojscinoz: this might have your answer: http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3796111:58
jscinozthanks ill read over it now11:59
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jscinozis there any improvement in the grub contained in package grub-pc than the normal one?12:06
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pkernMy initrd with an unsupported kernel (vanilla 2.6.23.1) is quite large (40M, compared with 7M with Ubuntu one). Anyone got a clue how to reduce this?12:09
avatar_use modules12:10
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h1st0Anyone notice an issue with rhythmbox's tag editor12:10
h1st0I'm trying to change the album listed on an mp3 and it changes int he software then when I close rhythmbox it reverts back12:10
careymAnyone notice a problem where printing a landscape page from Abiword ends up with the page printed but only to the width of an equivalent portrait page?12:11
careymIt happens whether I print to the Kyocera FS1030D attached to the machine and when I print to the PDF printer12:14
careymEverything looks right in print preview, but when the paper (in the case of the Kyocera) or the pdf (in the case of the pdf printer) are produced the text is only visible to the width of a portrait page when landscape was requested.  Text orientation is correct for landscape.12:16
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Ximalman oh man... heh.. this o/s rox0z !12:23
Ximallol12:23
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Nuba1Hi there, I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop with a ati radeon X145012:38
Nuba1is it true that xorg 7.3 is not supported by the fglrx drivers?12:38
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Eq|workwas true.. fairly sure that's been sorted for some time now.12:39
Nuba1well, no in RC my laptops will not load12:40
Nuba1and work fine under feisty12:40
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Nuba1I'm actually running edubuntu LTSP and have 21 clients running the X1450 radeons, so I must find a solution to this12:41
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Nuba1I guess going back to feisty is an option, but I'd imagine I'm not the only one with this issue... there must loads of fglrx users out there12:42
werswhen i installed gutsy on this partition, my feisty on my other paritition stopped working. On that feisty X did not start and the terminal stated that apt is not installed. any ideas why that happened?12:43
crdlbgutsy doesn't have Xorg 7.312:43
jscinozNuba how urgent is working ati hardware accelleration? i do believe that the open source 3d driver should be ready in the next few months12:43
careymbug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnome/+bug/153248 filed12:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 153248 in libgnome "landscape printed output is trucated to portrait page width" [Undecided,New] 12:43
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Nuba1I cant wait till its out, cause I've had nothing but headaches with fglrx12:44
assasukassehi everyone, after installing gutsy i lost all the tty, is there any workaround fix for that?12:44
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careymCTRL+ALT+F{1.....} does not work? CTRL+ALT+F7 brings you back to X12:45
Eq|workjscinoz : did you ever get sound sorted?12:45
jscinozyep, .13 kernel update fixed it ages ago12:45
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jscinozwas only broken in .11 and .1212:45
jscinozalthough the most recent update changed some things12:45
lee_WOW eveery thing is here but my at drivers12:46
Eq|workjscinoz : bah.. mine still ain't working :(12:46
lee_!ati12:46
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:46
Eq|workdon't think there's a codec for it.12:46
jscinozi got a  new channel in alsa mixer "Side" (i hope this controls audio output over hdmi as i could never get that working before), and i lost the swtich "Mic as output" and a new switch "IEC958" appeared, any idea what it does?12:46
Eq|work(damned software sound..)12:46
Eq|workno clue12:46
jscinozi know IEC958 has something to do with digital sound, hopefully hdmi, but it doesnt say what it toggles.12:47
lee_eh that latter one might be for a didgtal in...some cards have the chips but don't have the adapter12:47
Eq|workgoogle it?12:47
lee_to used= em12:47
lee_sounds corny but its true12:48
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penguincentralgoogle is your friend12:48
Nuba1Ubuntu Gutsy clearly does have xorg 7.312:49
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Nuba1I know how to install my drivers... I'm just wondering when there will be a fix to make the latest ati flgrx driver work with xorg 7.312:50
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jscinozeq|work, it says it controls spdif output... but this laptop doesnt have spdif, only 3 3.5mm plugs and a hdmi12:50
jscinozso i assume it controls hdmi audio12:50
savvasNuba1: file a bug and count your lucky stars :)12:50
Nuba1already did that, added to the ones already there12:50
savvasif there is already a bug, nominate it for gutsy release12:51
Nuba1its a known issue12:51
pkernNuba1: xorg 7.3 is not present in Gutsy, right?12:51
Nuba1yes it is12:51
savvasxserver-xorg: Installed: 1:7.2-5ubuntu1312:51
jscinozeq|work you're using the snd-hda-intel driver right?12:51
pkernNuba1: The fixes to the driver are not redistributable.12:51
pkernNuba1: 7.3 is not supported.12:51
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jscinozIs there an ETA on that GPL ati driver?12:52
pkernMy initrd with an unsupported kernel (vanilla 2.6.23.1) is quite large (40M, compared with 7M with Ubuntu one). Anyone got a clue how to reduce this?12:52
Nuba1well feisty works with the fglrx drivers... gutsy doesnt12:52
pkernjscinoz: I heared christmas for 2d stuff, but well.12:52
Nuba1clearly something changed12:52
pkernjscinoz: Novell is hired for this.12:52
jscinoz>_<12:52
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jscinozare any open source accelerated nvidia drivers in progress?12:52
pkernNuba1: If that's about suspend, then it's a known regression.12:53
Nuba1no, X just wont start12:53
careymopen source nvidia drivers at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/12:53
jscinozcheers12:53
careymis a work in progress though12:53
jscinozyeah12:53
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jscinozalso... anyone know when alienarena in the repos will be updated to 6.10, it game out a day or so ago and is a major update12:54
Nuba1 really the only part of xorg 7.3 they really depended on was xrandr 1.2, and that's already in. -- from launchpad12:55
Nuba1Thats my problem...12:55
Nuba1xrandr 1.2 is not supported in newer fglrx driver cards12:55
jscinozi really hope someone hacks the hardware lockdown on the ps3's gpu. Linux + ps3 with full hardware access will be an awesome gaming box.12:56
Nuba1not all of xorg 7.3 is in Gutsy from what I understand... but since its modular, that makes sense12:56
jscinozhmm... anyone know what arch the ps3 was again? powerpc right?12:56
basculeno it's cell12:56
basculebut linux ran on cell before any other OS12:56
jscinozhmm12:57
jscinozi swear i read somewhere that it was ppc based12:57
Eq|worknope12:57
jscinozmm12:57
jscinozhmm12:57
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basculething is, getting all that code to compile on a cell will be a major hackathon to say the least12:57
Eq|workit'll be a complete bitch12:57
Eq|workand cell is a whore to code for at all12:57
jscinozand we need someone to break the hypervisor so we get GPU acess under Linux12:58
Eq|workjscinoz : the 360 is more based on ppc12:58
basculelots of work for us :)12:58
Trewasyep, cell is based on power pc, like all the three new consoles12:58
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basculecell is completely different from anything at all12:58
Eq|workTrewas : only exceedingly loosely12:58
basculeif anything it's closer to itanium12:59
Eq|workin that ibm used some things from the ppc arch when developing cell12:59
Trewas"Cell combines a general-purpose Power Architecture core of modest performance with streamlined coprocessing elements"12:59
alainei guys.. my CCSM just gone.. dont know wat went wrong12:59
jscinozi wish microsoft wasnt as much of a douche about modded consoles... permaban from XBL for adding functionality that should have been there in the first place is weak.12:59
alainany ideas12:59
basculems think they are the law12:59
jscinozso if i were to get a PPC ubuntu live cd, with all the assorted hackery required to get the ps3 to boot it.. that would work right?12:59
basculealain: run it from a shell, see the output01:00
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basculejscinoz: not even close01:00
Nuba1so, no one is running Gutsy on newer Radeon ATI's?01:00
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jscinozbascule, this page mentions it should work with basic functionality: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayStation_301:01
basculeoh!01:01
Eq|workTrewas : yeah.. and you cannot address most of the cell proccy as ppc01:01
TrewasEq|work: so? it is still powerpc, even if generic powerpc code cannot use the 7 coprocessors01:03
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jscinozif they every managed a complete rewrite of ubuntu or some other distro for cell, and hacked the hypervisor, you'd have one hell of a gaming rig, beats the $4k custom rigs.01:03
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pkernNuba1: I do, it sucks.01:04
Eq|workTrewas : generic ppc code can't use the core either01:05
Eq|workas it won't get addressed to it01:05
pkernNuba1: You'll need to recompile your kernel to suspend at least.01:05
Eq|workthere's more to it than that.01:05
basculeare there any plans to sell the cell in quantity for domestic/non-commercial use?01:09
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Rudd-Ohey there guys01:11
Rudd-Ohi guys, need a little support here with kde4?  kde4 3.94 is telling me that libkpty.so cannot be found.  any idea which package need I install?  KUbuntu here.01:11
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Rudd-Ogutsy beta01:11
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stdinRudd-O: have you installed kde4base-dev?01:12
kyjaRudd-O, #ubuntu+101:12
basculewe're in +101:13
Brucevdk1+1=3?01:13
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Rudd-Ostdin01:13
basculeBrucevdk: sometimes ;)01:13
Rudd-OI am in #ubuntu+1 am I not?01:14
Brucevdk:)01:14
kyjaomg hehe yeah you are01:14
Rudd-Owhy do I need to install kde4base-dev?01:14
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stdinRudd-O: you do to get all the dependencies01:14
Brucevdkkyja: aren't we all, aren't we all01:14
kyja:)01:14
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Rudd-Ostdin, I have all the dependencies in kdebase-workspace01:15
Rudd-Oif that's not enough, then there's a packaging problem01:15
Rudd-Oto get kde4 kdebase-workspace is the one that pulls everything required to *run* it01:15
BrucevdkI know of tons of packaging problems where the wrong .so is referenced01:15
stdinno, it's not. the proper way is to install kde4base-dev01:15
Rudd-Ostdin: that makes no sense01:15
stdinbecause it's not complete01:15
Rudd-Owhy whould a dynamic library reside in a -dev package?01:15
stdinit's not, it's actually a link01:16
stdinso it should be in -dev01:16
Rudd-Olink to what lib?01:16
stdinyes01:16
Rudd-Oldd says it's a shared object file01:16
Rudd-Oand it says it's not found01:16
Rudd-Oso where should the link point to then?01:16
stdinit will be a link rather, but a .so is always in -dev01:17
stdinbut like I said, installing kde4base-dev is the proper way to install01:18
stdinit has been since the 1st alpha packages01:18
Rudd-Oit doesn't make sense01:18
Rudd-Odev packages are for devs01:19
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Rudd-Oplus it puts like an extra 200 MB on my system!01:19
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Rudd-Owhy isn't kde beta built properly instead?01:19
stdinyes, there is no point installing kde4 packages unless you intend to develop on it. it's not exactly usable01:19
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stdinRudd-O: it is built properly01:19
Rudd-Ono it's not, why does an application require something that is on a -dev package that pulls hundreds of MB of dependencies in?01:20
stdinbecause it's not complete01:20
stdinit shouldn't really be packaged yet01:20
Rudd-Owhat do you mean "not complete"?  what is so hard about putting the libkpty.so lib in the kdebase-workspace package?01:20
Rudd-Oor kdelibs?01:20
Rudd-Ostdin the point of packaging is so that it receives wider testing01:20
stdinbecause that's against packaging standards01:20
stdin.so goes in -dev01:21
mzuverinkin certain programs including but not limited to xchat and gnomebaker I get those nice character symbols that look like dominos instead of the actual character, whats the best way to solve this.  I am assuming that it means that I do not have that specific font installed, is that correct?  If so, back to the origional question, how do I solve that aside from installing every font available?01:21
stdinand .so *should* be a link01:21
Rudd-Omzuverink: install a font with extended characters such as asian and stuff01:21
mzuverinkRudd-O, ok01:21
Rudd-Othe fact that I have to install an extra hundred megs of stuff just to make a symlink is preposterous01:21
mzuverinkRudd-O, thank you01:22
stdinit's not a symlink yet01:22
Brucevdkstdin: the pidgin seems to have shared libraries in it01:22
stdinit will be when the version settles01:22
Rudd-Oa symlink to which file?01:22
stdinto the version of the lib01:22
Rudd-Oplease tell me so I can actually do the symlink and avoid the 128 M and the cruft01:22
Rudd-Ostdin: but there is NO lib!!!!!!01:22
Rudd-Othere is NOthing named libkpty.so.* in the lib folder01:23
stdinit's not a symlink yet, it will be, like I said01:23
stdinwhen the version settles01:23
Rudd-Ook anyway01:24
Rudd-Othe kubuntu installation instructions make no mention of this fact01:24
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alainany good dock for gutsy coz kiba ruin my compiz01:25
stdinfrom the 1st alpha http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php01:25
stdin"Install kde4base-dev, this will uninstall the normal qt4 packages and install the qt4 kdecopy packages."01:25
stdinAlpha2 "Install kde4base-dev."01:26
stdinetc, etc01:26
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Brucevdkstdin: could you explain the whole shared libraries belong in -dev packages thing?01:29
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stdinBrucevdk: they don't, .so's are link to the binary file with the version, eg: liblib.so would point to liblib.so.1 which would then point to liblib.so.1.0.001:30
Rudd-Ostdin01:30
stdin.so are normally only needed for linking, but in kde4 the versions haven't settled01:31
Rudd-Oif they are a link to a real shared library... where is the shared library then?01:31
stdinlike I said, the version hasn't settled, the .so is a binary01:31
stdinit will link to a diversion binary when it settles01:31
stdinone with a version01:32
Brucevdkwhat's a diversion binary and where does it come from?01:32
stdinerm, revision, not diversion01:32
stdin.so.X.X.X is the library, .so is a link to it01:33
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Brucevdkstdin: so a -dev package is supposed to only include only symbolic links to shared libraries, which are in turn provided by the actual package (which the -dev package depends on)?01:41
stdinyeah01:41
Brucevdkright01:42
geserBrucevdk: if you're interested in library package read also http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html01:43
geserThat's how libraries are packaged in Debian/Ubuntu01:44
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Brucevdkok, I see you're trying to get rid of me, sneaky! :)01:46
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panosruHi, I'm on Gutsy 64bit and i try to install Java on firefox can anyone help me? If i go to a page that uses java applets it says me that the plugin is missing and i press to install it, it installs icedtea 7 and then i restart firefox after that i go again to a page with java applet and it says me again that the plugin is missing and i press again to install it but this time it says me that this is already install (as it should to say)01:54
panosrubut java not works.01:54
bardyrpanosru, install ubuntu-restricted-extras01:55
I-hate-xptoday i updated more than 120M. does it mean it is the final 7.10??01:55
bardyrI-hate-xp, nope01:55
I-hate-xplooks like it should be final01:55
bardyrI-hate-xp, the final is in 2 days01:55
panosrubardyr i think that i already have this, w8 a sec to check it01:55
I-hate-xpbut actually i am unable to activate the restrict nvidia driver, to enable compiz.01:56
I-hate-xpso i hope the final should be ok01:56
panosrubardyr yes i already have this01:56
bardyrpanosru, there is no 64bit flash player you need gnash or install the 32bit flash player01:57
panosrubardyr i'm talking about java01:57
panosruflash works perfect01:57
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bardyrhmm01:57
panosrui have java installed01:58
panosruand the plugin too01:58
panosrubut it not works on firefox01:58
panosruin about:config it seems to be ok01:58
bardyrweird01:58
bardyrI-hate-xp, why cant you install the nvidia driver?01:58
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panosruand i know that java works because eclipse for example works fine01:59
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JohnFluxHey all01:59
I-hate-xpbardyr: if i install that, it will break down my X01:59
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bardyrpanosru, "java -version" ?02:00
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panosrujava version "1.6.0_03"02:00
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bardyrI-hate-xp, did you try to install the driver with envy or from nvidia.com?02:00
bardyrpanosru, java should work02:00
I-hate-xpbardyr: tried nvidia.com02:01
I-hate-xpbardyr: no envy script02:01
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panosruyeah i know but it not02:01
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panosrui will try something now brb in a few seconds02:01
bardyrI-hate-xp, before or after you tried the restricted-manager?02:01
I-hate-xpbardyr: before02:01
bardyrI-hate-xp, do you still have the nvidia.com driver?02:02
I-hate-xpbardyr: yes,02:03
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bardyrI-hate-xp, do a "sudo sh nvidia-driver.bin --uninstall02:03
I-hate-xpbardyr: thx, but i don't want to use nvidia driver now. i am using it in office daily work, so i don't care too much compiz now02:04
I-hate-xpjust do without compiz02:04
panosrunothing...02:05
panosrui tried to remove ~/.mozilla02:05
panosruand start firefox again02:05
panosrubut nothing happened i get the same issue02:05
bardyrpanosru, "ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" ?02:07
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panosrubardyr same..02:10
bardyrpanosru, http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre&try=102:11
panosruok w8 a sec to finish the "Detecting Java on your computer "02:12
panosrubardyr ok it finished now what?02:13
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bardyrdid it detect java?02:13
panosruin "Test your JVM " i can't see anything only a grey box02:13
panosrunothing more02:13
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panosrubardyr, see here: http://imagebin.org/1106402:17
Tomcat_panosru: Check with top or ps if java is running at all while you get the gray box.02:17
Tomcat_panosru: I sometimes get crashes with Java & Firefox as well...02:18
panosruTomcat, yes i saw the bug report with java & firefox02:18
panosruwith top i can't see java02:19
panosruxm..02:19
panosruthis is bad02:19
panosruneither with ps ax | grep java02:19
panosru:/02:19
panosruxm.02:19
panosrubut when i run eclipse it works02:19
panosrui mean the eclipse02:19
panosrunot firefox02:19
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JediMasterHi guys, racking my brains here trying to figure out how to stop nvidia twinview from maximising windows across both screens, anyone got any ideas?02:23
JediMasterBearing in mind xinerama has to be off for compiz-fusion/emerald to work02:24
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panosruTomcat_ , bardyr, watch this -> http://www.nimportequi.com/video_popupDM.php?s=dm&v=xi5MRPSdHopLPkX0V LOOOOOOOOOL02:26
ubstudWhere can I get freenx that works on gutsy?02:26
panosruanyway java not working its better to forget about her :D02:27
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Tomcat_ubstud: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX02:29
IdleOne!freenx02:29
ubotuFreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX02:29
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IdleOneubstud: I believe there is a package in the !seveas repos ( very safe to use )02:29
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ubstudshould I use the repo For Ubuntu 7.04?02:30
IdleOneubstud: no02:30
IdleOne!seveas02:30
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!02:30
Ximalhey guys.. what's the name of the new beta .. anyone know yet ?02:31
IdleOneubstud: feel secure using his repo . I do and many other people do02:31
IdleOne!hardy02:31
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron02:31
ubstuddeb url-of-repository release-to-use components-to-use   those?02:31
IdleOneubstud: yup thats it. look at that wiki page that ubotu gav you all the info you need is there02:32
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ubstudIdleOne, would I use feisty-seveas?02:34
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IdleOneubstud: not if your running gutsy02:35
ratpoisonI need help! my openoffice impress won't load http://pastebin.com/m18de0b5902:35
gemidjywill gutsy be cutting-edge or stable dist ?02:35
ratpoisonsame thing happens to base02:35
ubstudIdleOne, so gutsy-seveas?02:35
IdleOnegemidjy: cutting stable02:35
Ximalgemidjy : i'm on it.. and it rocks !02:35
ubstudcause the site doesn't say it supports gutsy02:35
IdleOneubstud: yes gutsy-seveas02:35
Ximalit has wireless support that works for me sofar ! ;)02:35
IdleOnedoesnt?02:35
IdleOnehmmm lemme look02:35
Ximalyes it does02:35
Ximaluntil 2009 i thought02:36
gemidjyXimal: I didnt ask how good it is, I just need stable software02:36
gemidjyI dont want updates every 30minutes02:36
Ximalgemidjy : my software is stable.. not crashed unless i caused it due to overworking my processor by opening to much junk02:36
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bardyrgemidjy, gutsy will be released in 2 days02:36
Ximalit's not like windows and it's bluescreen of death..02:36
gemidjybardyr: yes, that is why I ask, weather I install it or not :)02:36
Ximalhmm... you should try the live cd... most of it can run from live.02:36
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bardyrgemidjy, the release candidate is a little old, i would wait or grab a daily build02:37
gemidjybardyr: no I will wait for the final release02:37
gemidjybut even then, maybe new versions of software will be deployed as soon as they get out02:37
bardyrgemidjy, only bug fixes are allowed into gutsy now02:38
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IdleOneubstud: I am certain there is a gutsy package for freenx. try googling gutsy seveas freenx02:38
gemidjybardyr: so only security updates will be in gutsy in future too or while the freeze?02:38
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Ximali think the best security is turning off your pc and your router when you aren't home ;)02:39
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bardyrgemidjy, security updates and bugfixes and small changes02:39
fiXXXerMe1Is there a torrent that I can download now, to help with bandwidth on release day?02:39
Tomcat_fiXXXerMe1: On release day there will be.02:39
bardyrfiXXXerMe1, nope02:39
fiXXXerMe1Alright02:39
gemidjyok02:40
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JediMasteranyone here using nvidia twinview in gutsy?02:40
ubstudno luck02:41
pequatreHi. I've upgraded my xubuntu to Gutsy yesterday, i've last updated around 30 Min ago so i guess i'm up to date. I have a problem: it seems i can't add the "network monitor" applet to the panel (this is xfce, not gnome). Do you have that bug too ?02:41
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ratpoisonI need help! my openoffice impress won't load http://pastebin.com/m18de0b59. Same thing with oofice -base02:42
IdleOnegemidjy: you can try using the feisty package but it may or may not work02:42
IdleOneubstud: ^^^02:42
ubstudohk, thx.02:42
nikolamI have trouble with update of gutsy this morning: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40808/02:42
nikolamSomething with audacious packages overlaping02:42
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nikolamShould I deinstall audacious and do update?02:43
WorkingOnWisepequatre: AKAIK that isn't a bug, it's proper operation. nm only works in gnome.02:43
pequatreWorkingOnWise, this is not nm, this is an xfce4 applet (not the same). Besides, nm works perfectly in the latest xubuntu (see xubuntu website for gutsy)02:44
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IdleOnepequatre: #xubuntu might be able to help you more02:44
WorkingOnWisepequatre: my bad02:45
pequatreIdleOne, they pointed me to that chan :)02:45
IdleOneratpoison: this is before the update today or after?02:45
Hamradoes the alternate CD upgrade to gutsy? or does a fresh installation? because im not willing to format my "/" partition!02:45
ratpoisonafter: I have rebooted already02:45
IdleOneHamra: does both02:45
Eq|workpequatre : check the package that provides it, then check launchpad?02:45
pequatreanyway i spotted some errors in my .xubuntu-sessions files. i'll fill a bug report i guess02:46
Hamralets start the download then02:46
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IdleOne!upgrade | Hamra02:46
ubotuHamra: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:46
vilasboas_hy does anyone know how to install beryl on ubuntu 7.10??02:46
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IdleOnevilasboas_: because it is pre-installed02:46
IdleOnecalled compiz-fusion02:47
ratpoisonvilasboas_: Why don't you use compiz-fusion? It's newer than beryl02:47
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piquadratHi! I'm looking for a mplayer 1.0 rc2 package for gutsy. I tried to compile it myself, but the compiler bails out on one point or another every time02:47
vilasboas_because i can't use compiz om my laptop and it doesn't has so many efects02:48
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crdlbvilasboas_, why can't you?02:48
crdlbcompiz fusion has more plugins than beryl02:48
IdleOnevilasboas_: you have 7.10 installed correct? if so got to System > Preferrences > Desktop Effects and enable them02:49
ratpoisonvilasboas_: you can install the advanced settings manager from synaptic. I think that beryl was a fork project of compiz,. Now they re-merged, they were called compiz fusions. I think whatever stable code there was in beryl, it is in compiz fusion02:49
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ratpoisonalso: if you use glxgears on your terminal, does it work?02:50
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vilasboas_it  appears "Desktop effects could not be enable"02:50
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ratpoison_sry, closed xchat by mistake02:51
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crdlbvilasboas_, what video card?02:51
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tininHi, can I use the same ubuntu method in xubuntu to upgrade to gutsy?02:52
Toma-yep02:53
tininthere's must be nothing different02:53
tinini guess02:53
tininso will sudo update-manager -d upgrade me to gutsy?02:54
ubstudon the nxclient, when it asks for "host" should I just put the ip of the computer running the nx server?02:54
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vilasboas_crdlb how can i see what's my video card?02:56
crdlbvilasboas_, lspci|grep VGA02:56
crdlbin a terminal02:56
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ubstudfor "host" I put the ip of the host computer and tried connecting but it says "connection refused"02:58
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ubstudis it because the host computer is behind a proxy?02:58
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vilasboas_crdlb: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 02:59
crdlbheh03:00
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crdlbvilasboas_, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log03:00
BlueAidan_workI give... how do I install krandr?03:00
crdlb!pastebin03:00
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:00
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deptrai!release03:01
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases03:01
ubstudAny help on my freenx problem?03:02
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TaejoYay, my windows are wobbling!03:03
oshiii-_^hehe03:04
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ubstud??03:05
vilasboas_crdlb one secund more ;)03:05
IdleOneubstud: the proxy may be blocking yes03:06
Brucevdkanybody know of any effort to making it possible to install applications per-user using Apt? Is that a stupid question? (so non-root, in the home directory)03:06
ubstudIdleOne, do you know how to setup nx so it knows that I'm behind a proxy?03:06
assasukasseis there anyone that has fixed the no tty problem?03:07
IdleOneBrucevdk: that would mean you could have 10 mplayers installed if you have 10 users why would you want that?03:07
IdleOneubstud: no I dont sorry03:07
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vilasboas_crdlb: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso03:07
IdleOneubstud: should be in the settings somewhere though03:07
vilasboas_sory03:07
BrucevdkIdleOne: to me it would mean that certain applications you don't want to have system-wide could be installed by the user itself, and therefor that user doesn't need sudo or other administrative rights either. If you as system administrator know everybody wants mplayer, just install it globally.03:08
vilasboas_crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/4081103:08
IdleOneubstud: try asking in #nx03:08
ubstudkk, ty03:08
IdleOneBrucevdk: that makes sense also but I dont know of a way to do what it is your asking03:09
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IdleOneBrucevdk: guess disabling sudo but that would mean everyone has root privs . I sure you dont want that03:10
BrucevdkIdleOne: ;)03:10
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Brucevdkthe whole idea is limitation of rights, not expansion hah03:10
ojwbhi folks - I've just upgraded from feisty to the gutsy RC, but X crashed (just eating CPU) part-way through.  I killed it and rebooted, then dpkg --configure -a, but things aren't totally happy.  In particular, the new kernel won't boot - it gets to the progress bar, then quickly drops to a busybox prompt.  The feisty kernel boots at least.  I tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-generic but that hasn't helped.  Any sug03:11
ojwbgestions for digging myself out of this hole?03:11
BrucevdkI was thinking, maybe one could just update system paths and extract the deb (but that would only work for the simplest of simplest cases)03:11
vilasboas_crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/40811/ any ideia??03:11
IdleOneBrucevdk: it is an interesting problem . stick around and ask a few more times. pretty soon more people will be comming online and they can probably help you03:11
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crdlbvilasboas_, ok that looks good03:12
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crdlbvilasboas_, what does glxinfo|grep direct03:12
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crdlbsay?03:12
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IdleOneBrucevdk: even extracting the deb requires sudo does it not?03:13
san|tuxfamily.org is dead?03:13
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vilasboas_crdlb: direct rendering: Yes03:13
WorkingOnWiseBrucevdk: I'm no linux expert, but isn't that the idea behind usermode linux? a "user space"?03:13
ojwbIdleOne: no, anyone can extract a deb03:13
BrucevdkIdleOne: fetching it via apt/synaptic would, but otherwise no03:13
ojwbyou can even do it by hand with ar and tar03:14
BrucevdkWorkingOnWise: I hadn't even heard of usermode Linux untill you just mentioned it ;)03:14
IdleOnethats right dpkg -i needs sudo03:14
ojwbthat's installing, not extracting03:14
crdlbvilasboas_, ok so what happens if you run compiz --replace03:14
crdlb?03:14
IdleOnewas thinking of the right thing at the wrong time lol03:14
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ojwbddpkg --unpack03:14
ojwbor is it dpkg -x03:15
IdleOnesan|: tuxfamily is working for me03:15
ratpoisonIdleOne: you guessed right about gtk. I used another gtk decorator and it worked! :)03:15
IdleOnegtk? hmm I dont remember guessing about that lol03:15
IdleOnebut glad it worked :)03:15
ratpoisonwell somebody did03:15
ratpoisonthank you, somebody!03:16
BrucevdkWorkingOnWise: looking at the descriptions for UML, this doesn't have anything to do with it. UML seems to be about virtual machine thingies, not packaging and installing software.03:16
ubstuddang..no one is answering on #nx03:16
ubstudanyone here used freenx?03:16
WorkingOnWiseBrucevdk: I looked into it a few years back, trying to set up a "sandbox" for each user in a single machine. I'm fairly sure UML is what I had decided to use....before some bonehead with a briefcase decided to by an xp box instead!03:16
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mzuverinkDoes anyone know if the whole bonobo(sp?) bug has been fixed yet?03:16
CapaHHi all, Is there any good reason not to get the Release Candidate --- or would getting the Release Candidate today be pretty much identical to getting the Release in a couple days?03:17
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WorkingOnWiseBrucevdk:  I'll dig into my old notes them and see what I was thinking03:17
IdleOnemzuverink: I got that error this morning when trying to ctrl+alt+backspace03:17
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mzuverinkIdleOne, ok, I have not logged out in days03:18
WorkingOnWiseBrucevdk: ty genii03:18
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geniiIdleOne , WorkingOnWise np ppl03:18
san|IdleOne: sorry meant the download server: http://download.tuxfamily.org03:18
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vilasboas_crdlb: http://pate.ubuntu-nl.org/40812/03:19
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IdleOnesan|: yup its working03:19
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san|weird...03:19
IrishDavehey, i just installed gutsy RC and i was hoping to get a custom DSDT hack to fix my sounds but it didnt work.... any ideas? i saw mention of it on forum but no solution03:20
geniimzuverink: Development work needs caffene :)03:20
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genii*caffeine03:20
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mzuverinkgenii, amen03:20
crdlbvilasboas_, ok that's fixable03:20
san|IdleOne: I get this every time: Connecting to download.tuxfamily.org|88.191.250.18|:80... failed: Connection timed out.03:20
crdlbvilasboas_, gksu gedit /etc/drirc03:20
vilasboas_:)03:20
IdleOneloaded in less then a sec for me03:20
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BrucevdkWorkingOnWise: actually reading some more it seems UML is a virtual machine thingy, but it allows you to share a base system and write the changes somewhere else. Which would probably accomplish the whole seperation of users, though I wonder at what performance costs. Might look at it later.03:21
crdlbvilasboas_, and paste in this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40813/plain/03:21
LjLCapaH, realistically, it's quite likely that the final release will be identical... but last-minute bugs can't be excluded, that's why the RC exists in the first place03:21
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ojwbBrucevdk, I believe it allows sharing a base file-system with copy-on-write for any changes03:23
IrishDavehey, i just installed gutsy RC and i was hoping to get a custom DSDT hack to fix my sounds but it didnt work.... any ideas? i saw mention of it on forum but no solution03:23
vilasboas_crdlb: ok i have done this do i need to restart?03:23
crdlbvilasboas_, I don't think so03:24
crdlbbut if it doesn't work, then restart03:24
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vilasboas_crdlb:  it  appears "Desktop effects could not be enable"03:25
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vilasboas_i will restart03:25
tech0007my system slowed down a bit after upgrading to Gutsy, any idea why?03:26
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ojwbtech0007: probably tracker indexing your files03:27
tech0007ojwb...is that essential for gutsy to work?03:27
ojwbSystem->Preferences->Indexing Preferences to adjust or disable it03:27
ojwbno03:27
ojwbjust allows you to search files03:27
ojwbso far, I'm deeply unimpressed by it03:28
foxiness_tech0007: look at System Monitor it will help u know what is going in ur system03:28
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ojwbit completely filled my /home partition and just kept bashing away03:28
tech0007ojwb....i can still search for files w/out it right?03:28
seanhOh dear, so I installed Gutsy preview over a Feisty install on my thinkpad and now, then I plug in a projector, it doesn't seem to get any signal from the thinkpad. Tried with multiple projectors. I dunno where to start, any pointers?03:28
tech0007foxiness...what shld i look for in system monitor? CPU, memory?03:29
ojwbeither/both03:29
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tech0007ojwb...im looking under processes, there r tons here i dont understand, do i need evolution etc, i dont use the evolution email here. i jst go to firefox.03:30
vilasboas_crbld: it doesn't work :'(03:30
foxiness_ojwb: b4 i upgrade i have beagle u can image what happen when the two work in the same time03:30
crdlbvilasboas_, glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE03:31
ojwbtech0007: if you were successfully using something to search for files before, it should still work03:31
IrishDavedoes anyone know anything about the lack of working custom DSDT or if it will be fixed for release day?03:31
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Angelusheya03:33
vilasboas_crdlb: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 102403:33
crdlbhmm :/03:33
foxiness_ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C61 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)]  (rev 01) , compiz slow on this card ,any tips?03:33
Brucevdkojwb: I uninstalled tracker and Nautilus search integration (CTRL + F) at least doesn't seem to work anymore03:33
Brucevdkojwb: didn't bother trying to find out why03:34
foxiness_!hi Angelus03:34
Angeluswhen i boot into kubuntu RC release, (gutsy) , the monitor is giving me a wrong size or something, is there a posibility to change the resolution at boot ? :/03:34
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hi angelus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:34
ubstudIdleOne, no one there :(03:34
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foxiness_!hi | Angelus03:34
ubotuAngelus: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!03:34
Angeluscrdlb, you are everywhere? :P03:34
crdlbvilasboas_, I don't know why it didn't work :(03:35
vilasboas_crdlb I'm very thaks for the help but i really need to go to one place i will be back in a ninuts thanks ;)03:35
Angelusso is there a way to insert a boot option for changing the monitor resolution ?03:35
crdlbare you sure saved properly?03:35
vilasboas_crdlb yes03:36
vilasboas_crdlb I'm very thaks for the help but i really need to go to one place i will be back in a ninuts thanks ;)03:36
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tech0007ojwb / foxiness.....thanks folks03:37
IdleOneubstud: nx has a forum you can check also03:38
seanhOkay, does my problem re projector not getting a signal from my laptop have something to do with XRandR and the new Screens and Graphics administration dialog?03:38
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san|does gutsy support plug and play monitors?03:39
san|on the fly I mean03:39
ubstudIdleOne, really? what's the site?03:39
Angeluswhy is no one answering me ? am i invisible ? :(03:39
ojwbwhat was that noise?03:40
Oli``huh?03:40
tech0007!patience | Angelus03:40
ubotuAngelus: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines03:40
Piciojwb: :p03:40
ubstudIdleOne, this: http://www.nabble.com/freenx-knx-f6453.html03:40
Angelus:O03:40
Angelusok03:40
bandit12i'm running gutsy and can get to the graphic login screen enter username and pass and all that happens is i get back to login screen. Any ideas?03:40
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san|Angelus: change boot resolution? Why?03:41
san|or you mean the resolution of the desktop03:41
san|?03:41
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tech0007bandit12...try logging in to console ...Ctrl-Alt-F1, check if its X or ur user accnt issue03:42
Angelussacater, yeah03:42
Angelussan|, yeaj03:42
Angelusbecause03:42
Angeluswhen i boot03:42
alainhi guys how can i install the TSCu_Comic font in gutsy????03:42
Angelusinto livecd03:42
Angeluswhen kde is gonna start03:42
Angelusit gives me a resolution error03:43
Angelushte monitor03:43
Angelus:S03:43
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Picialain: same way you did in feisty.03:43
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Pici!fonts | alain03:43
ubotualain: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer03:43
bandit12it's not user account. this is only account i use and i am poss u/p are correct plus it didn't happen till i tried changing graphics card driver so i guess it's x related / me messing about where i shouldn't03:43
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bandit12i'm getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server03:45
tech0007bandit12...u need to reconfigure x, u can do it while on the console03:45
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bandit12yeh i did an sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. that got me as far as the gui login03:46
san|Angelus: when you boot the live cd.. there is an option when the initial menu is show (VGA)03:47
Redhammer_the_Olhello I am struggling to get ndiswrapper to work on my hp laptop, I have tx1000 amd64 running 7.10 rc and somehow it does not load ndiswrapper03:47
Redhammer_the_Olits modprobed and all, as far as I can tell03:47
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WorkingOnWiseBrucevdk: I looked at my notes. It was UML I was considering. I would have allowed me to give each user a "sandbox", but there was no common code sharing for the apps, so it would have been a big sandbox. About 3GB per user, 30 users, in 1999. I tinke I was gonna use server for that space. Anyway, yeah, it isn't elegent. Never did find a clean way to do what you want.03:47
Angelussan|, i can't use vga driver, i use the safe graphics mode :P03:47
san|pff... doesn't sound like a good start!03:49
Angelus:/03:49
tech0007bandit12...'xhost +local:username'03:49
Angelusif i don't use sage graphics mode(vesa) the kde crashes san|03:49
san|okay.. and you need some sort of startup option to load this vesa mode?03:50
Angelusno03:51
BrucevdkWorkingOnWise: I was looking at a per application sandboxing solution a while ago and all I found was Plash (also not very elegant from the short time I looked at it).03:51
BrucevdkWorkingOnWise: but that's unrelated anyways03:51
bandit12tech0007... ok tried that i get -> unable to open display ""03:51
Angelussan|,  i loaded the vesa mode, but it loaded in a wrong resolution, thats the problem03:51
tech0007bandit12...ur not logging to X as root, right?03:51
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bandit12no just my own login03:51
tech0007bandit12....'startx' while on console03:52
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thomas__hi03:52
thomas__im having some probs with my wifi03:52
san|Angelus: I don't have a clue mate.. I'm browsing the forums right now for ay03:53
bandit12tech0007... i get Fatal server error: server is already active for display 003:53
thomas__i'm working with ndiswrapper, some moments ago all was fine, but after a reboot it stopped working03:53
thomas__it worked with wicd03:53
thomas__now dmsg give: [  654.808000]  ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready03:53
tech0007 bandit12...'killall gdm' if ur using gdm, then try 'startx'03:54
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Angelusok san| i'll try some options and maybe explode the computer, brb03:54
Angelus.03:54
bandit12tech0007... i did killall kdm then startx i get a black nad white lookin screen with a black x for a pointer03:55
tech0007bandit12...'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE'03:58
tech0007bandit12...what's ur video card?03:59
bandit12nvidia geforce6600 in a laptop03:59
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bandit12grep EE gives Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER. GLX is not supported with Composite extension04:02
tech0007bandit12...blk n white screen still? comment out GLcore and dri in xorg.conf04:02
WorkingOnWiseWheres the SLED type menu for gnome. I cant find it, and I have installed every pkg I thought might be it.04:03
bandit12now we come to how do i edit xorg.conf in command line?04:03
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thomas_anyone?04:03
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tech0007bandit12...ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X, then cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf04:04
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tech0007bandit12...'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then put # before Load "GLcore" and Load "dri"04:05
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bandit12ok i'll give that a go04:06
CapaHQuick question, I have a 64 bit processor but some people have told me that getting the 32 bit version is better, can someone give me suggestions on this?04:06
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WorkingOnWiseCapaH: If you intend on using more that about 3.4GB of ram, you must use 64 bit. I'm on Gutsy AMD64 and it is not much, if any, faster than 32 bit.04:08
CapaHI have 2 gigs of ram04:08
CapaHbut a 64 bit processor04:08
WorkingOnWiseI only have 1GB now, but intend on getting at least 4GB, and there is no upgrade from 32 to 64.04:08
bardyrCapaH, intel or amd04:09
CapaHamd04:09
WorkingOnWiseMy decision was based on intended future use. I have a AMD Turion x2.04:09
bandit12tech0007.... there is no Load"GLcore" or Load "dri" of any discription04:09
CapaHIts an Athlon 3500+ 6404:09
WorkingOnWiseIf I intended to stay under 4GB of ram, I would have gone with 32 bit. a little more suport, and apps ar written and updated for 32 bit first.04:10
ojwbthough that's less true than it used to be04:10
WorkingOnWiseyeah, it is getting better. It will soon be a non-issue04:11
ojwbI bet at some point apps will need fixing to keep working on 32 bit platforms!04:11
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w00tzillathis is my first time here but for whatever reason, i am banned from the ubuntu channel04:12
tech0007bandit12...is it dellprecisionm90?04:12
WorkingOnWiselol...yeah! Actually, I hope not. pc's are so powerful today, I know many pl who will never need a machine a=even as fast as mine...04:12
alainim just wondering y my AWN MANAGER wont show up04:12
LjLw00tzilla: join #ubuntu-ops please04:13
alainbut the AWN nav is working04:13
bandit12tech0007... no it's gericom04:13
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bandit12all was well till i tried changing from nv to geforce 6 in driver selection04:14
tech0007bandit12...try 'nvidia'04:15
fignewCapaH: Flash player works with no hassle under 32 bit04:15
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ojwbhmm, I think my non-booting gutsy kernel may be evms related04:16
foxinessi have two adsl gateway wireless,ubuntu see one of them "used now" but not the other one how to make sure the problem not form ubuntu?04:16
ojwbwhich is apparently unsupported by gutsy04:16
bandit12in Section "Device" Driver "nvidia" so that doesn't seem to work.04:17
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tech0007bandit12..weird..just 'nv'04:18
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ojwband I think because my upgrade crashed, I didn't get the "remove obsolete packages" dialog04:19
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vogreat. visudo messed up my /etc/sudoers04:19
bandit12in graphic mode both parts in the display manager bit were 'nv' thats what ubuntu auto detected04:20
tolonugahi. found a bug in the alternative installer: if there are raid devices from some old setup, it can't remove them. it seems to try to remove "/dev/md/1" when it should try to remove "/dev/md1" - known issue?04:20
ThunderStruckvo ae you sure visudo did? or you changed something you shouldnt have?04:20
bandit12that all worked well but i was trying to get geforce6 driver working and now i'm stuck with command line and partial gui login04:20
vowell, i actually just opened visudo and i only looked at the file, i am sure I didn't change anything04:20
voi only looked inside and then closed it04:21
Picivo: and why do you think it messed up the file? Are you getting errors?04:21
vonext time i went to sudo something, it said "SYNTAX ERROR!"04:21
voin my /etc/sudoers, line 204:21
voso i'm going to reboot in a sec in recovery mode to see what happened04:22
Picivo: good idea04:22
ojwbis there a way to get to that list of obsolete packages again?  is it the same as the "Installed (local or obsolete)" list in synaptic?04:22
Davieyorphans?04:23
BHSPitMonkeyanyone else notice a blinking network-manager icon?04:23
BHSPitMonkeynm-applet rather04:23
bandit12i have some backup xorg.conf files named xorg.conf.20071016140251 would sving this a s xorg.conf work?04:23
BHSPitMonkeybandit12, if you had a working setup at that time/date, yes04:23
bandit12ok i'll try that is the cmd for that mv or is there a rename cmd04:24
tech0007bandit12....thats ur backup before u reconfigured ur x, it wouldnt hurt to try04:24
BlueAidan_workhow do I troubleshoot my ipod not automounting using kubuntu?04:24
humboltoheard Xen is not too stable in gutsy?04:24
humboltotrue?04:25
foxinessis the wifi radar best tool?04:25
geskerAnyone have an ETA for the sun-java6-plugin package?04:25
ThunderStruckhumbolto, a few bugs with it not sure what they arre but i think we are releasing without another kernel update04:25
ThunderStruckgea long time ago04:25
ThunderStruckgesker, a long time ago04:26
ThunderStruckgesker, enable multiverse and universe and install sun-java6-plugin04:26
humboltothe tickless kernel is that especially good for the xen dom0 or domUs?04:26
ThunderStruckits in edgy feisty and gutsy04:26
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geskerThunderStruck both Universe and Multiverse are enabled and apt-get install sun-java6-plugin returns sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate04:27
tolonugareport the issue I found as #153313. if anyone has a spare machine with two blank disks, it should be easy to reproduce. no idea which package I should assign this to.04:27
ThunderStruckgesker, its there please post you /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin04:27
kondor101has the "flash" changed on firefox in 7.10?04:27
ThunderStruckkondor101, what do yo mean changed04:28
ThunderStruckyou*04:28
ThunderStruckits flash 9.0.48 i think04:28
ThunderStruck!info flashplugin-nonfree04:28
ubotuflashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)04:28
Picikondor101: by default Gutsy ships with gnash, not flash iirc.04:28
kondor101thunderstruck i was trying to find out if it was still non-free or gnash04:29
ThunderStrucknjeither are enabled installed by default04:29
ThunderStruckwe have both04:29
geskerThunderStruck what is the url for pastebin04:29
tech0007are u guyz using apparmor? what's it for?04:29
ThunderStruckgnash works great for most part it wont play some but better than prior versions04:29
Pici!info gnash04:29
ubotugnash: free SWF movie player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 234 kB, installed size 828 kB04:29
ThunderStruck!pastebin | gesker04:30
ubotugesker: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)04:30
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geskerThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40814/04:30
bandit12yay. i got it back thanks for your help tech007 and BHSPitMonkey04:30
AlienX_anyone know if there is a gaim theme/emoticon set for pidgin? I dread the new ones heh04:31
foxinessif i would use wifi radar will break something on my system ?04:31
tech0007bandit12...woohoo :-D04:31
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ThunderStruckgesker, try changing country code (us to uk)04:31
kondor101Pici, so when I upgraded, would I have changed to gnash 9I was on non-free before.  I do not know how to tell which i am using04:31
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bandit12i think i'll leave the vid drivers alone for now and see what else i can mess up (-;04:32
ThunderStruckgesker, than save close and run apt-get update than install it04:32
Picikondor101: in firefox, you can go to the address: about:plugins  - it should tell you which you are running.04:32
ThunderStrucki am unable to test us repos atm04:32
ThunderStruckhmmmm04:32
ThunderStruck:04:32
ThunderStruckPici, did you type about:plugins?04:33
ThunderStruckyes you did04:33
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ThunderStruckfrigging xchat04:33
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Simon80anyone know why subpixel aliasing on gutsy would be noticeably blurrier?  I don't want to file a vague bug about it, hence my asking here04:36
Simon80subpixel font antialiasing*04:37
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geskerThunderStruck same error: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate04:37
ThunderStruckdid you run apt-ge update?04:37
geskeryes04:37
ThunderStruckk brb smoke and think about this04:38
Picigesker: do you have multiverse enabled?04:38
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geskermultiverse enabled04:38
kondor101application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash  <--- this is not gnash is it?04:38
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chapiumanyone else have update problems?04:38
vilasboas_crdlb are you there?04:38
chapiumE: tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1004:39
chapiumE: util-linux: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured04:39
geskerThunderStruck, Pici apt-get update runs fine with no errors04:39
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buntu_bumhey all04:39
buntu_bumanybody in here familiar with the nm-applet in gnome?04:39
geskerThunderStruck, do you know the url where I could download manually and do a dpkg -i04:39
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kondor101no it isn't flash, i just looked it synaptic, it isnt installed04:40
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drhumanisthi there04:41
buntu_bumanybody else having problems with network manager in gnome?04:41
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drhumanisti am wondering if i will have any troubkles with my nVidia 7600 chipset drivers when/if i upgrade from feisty04:41
ThunderStruckgesker, and Pici can you please apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin please or use synaptic to search, im not on ubuntu atm and i would like to see why he isnt getting it04:41
ThunderStrucki control is always helpful04:41
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PiciThunderStruck: http://pastebin.com/f23347f4d04:42
drhumanistguys? :)04:42
Picidrhumanist: you shouldnt.04:42
drhumanistand i wouldn't either? :))04:43
ThunderStruckoh crap04:43
ThunderStruckPici, thats not good04:43
ThunderStrucknvm its |04:43
tech0007drhumanist...before u upgrade backup ur xorg.conf04:43
buntu_bumgood call anyways04:43
geskerThunderStrtuck  apt-cache search sun-java6-plugin return nothing04:44
buntu_bumsucks to redo your xorg file by hand04:44
ThunderStruckbuwhy would you?04:44
ThunderStruckbuntu_bum, why would you?04:44
drhumanisttech007: ok i will... but i read about many problems from ppl who had upgraded in previous transitions04:44
ThunderStrucksudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg creates it04:44
buntu_bumin case my tinkering destroys it in the first place04:44
buntu_bum:P04:44
drhumanistnot only drivers.... but some programs too04:45
ThunderStruckbuntu_bum, back up04:45
drhumanistmaybe i'd better make a clean install from scratch??04:45
tech0007drhumanist...not everyone gets lucky04:45
ThunderStruckgesker, ok there is something wrong with your repos than04:45
buntu_bumi do back stuff up, learned that lesson the hard way04:45
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tech0007drhumanist...do that if u recompiled some programs or made many modifications to ur feisty04:46
Simon80any font gurus in here? blurry antialiasing in gutsy anyone?04:46
geskerThunderStruck how can i check/verify/reset my repos?04:46
ThunderStruckgesker, im looking at them very closely04:46
tech0007drhumanist...i jst did the upgrade04:46
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ThunderStruckgesker, i doubt this is the issue but you should have backports commented out04:47
buntu_bumis anybody else having problems with network manager04:47
ThunderStruckgesker, they wont be used for a while04:47
geskeryes04:47
ojwbI've got the gutsy kernel to boot at last04:47
drhumanisttech007: yes... are you happy with it? any revolutionary change??? is it stable enuff??04:47
geskerI man no, let me try to comment them out04:47
ojwbFTR, if anyone else has a crash during the upgrade and can't boot the gutsy kernel, they need to uninstall evms04:47
tech0007drhumanist...for me yes04:47
ThunderStruckgesker, can you run apt-cache search ubuntu-desktop please04:48
ojwband then (at least for me) it just boots fine04:48
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ThunderStruckgesker, does it give any output04:48
drhumanisttechoo7: how about compiz integration?04:48
GuyFromHellhow can i uninstall the whole ubuntu-desktop meta package so i can switch to kubuntu-desktop04:48
buntu_bumcompiz works pretty tight actually04:48
tech0007drhumanist...upgrade from feisty to gutsy was more pleasant than upgrading windoze to servicepack 2 :-D04:48
geskerThunderStruck no output04:48
ThunderStruckgeok good04:48
buntu_bumyou need to instal xserver-xgl but then it works fine04:49
ThunderStruckthan we know its your sources.list04:49
buntu_bumanything  is more pleasant than upgrading XP to SP204:49
geskerThunderStruck commented out backports, same issue04:49
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ThunderStruckcan someone post their /etc/apt/sources.list  (gesker did you ever use the gui to enable repos?04:49
ThunderStruckgesker, yes i know04:49
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drhumanisttechoo7: that for sure :)) but i have to keep vista in dualboot since i have specific hardware and IE dependency :(04:49
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geskerThunderStruck, no gui only vim04:50
mc44!easysource04:50
ThunderStruckgesker, you are gonna have to repo your list. someone hopefully will post one04:50
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic04:50
buntu_bumthat sucks, went out and got myself a dellbuntu laptop for that very reason04:50
teskowhat does "bus error (core dumped)" mean? specifically the bus part04:50
ThunderStruckmc44, rather not easysourcefor this04:50
ThunderStruckmc44, i need to test if someelses works for him04:50
ThunderStruckit may be the dir or something04:50
buntu_bumtesko, sounds like a program crashed04:50
ThunderStruckgesker, can you give me the path to your sources.list please04:51
Simon80buntu_bum, what? I have a Dell laptop that works ok with ubuntu04:51
drhumanisttech007: anyhow if my machine goes bonkers i will sue you!! :)04:51
geskerAny one got a valid sources.list they could post04:51
buntu_bumtesko, the bus part could refer to dbus04:51
geskerhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40815/04:51
buntu_bumsimon, i got laptop preloaded with ubuntu, no windows04:52
ThunderStruckgesker, ha04:52
tech0007tech0007...i wash my hands clean :-D04:52
ThunderStruckgesker, please comment out hte cdrom repos04:52
nosrednaekimbuntu_bum: did you get a 1420?04:52
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ThunderStruckgesker, deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Beta amd64 (20070925)] / gutsy main restricted04:52
ThunderStruckthat should have #04:53
ojwbnosrednaekim, a bus error is nothing to do with dbus04:53
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ojwbit's something like an unaligned access which the CPU doesn't support04:53
nosrednaekimeh?04:53
ojwberm04:53
ojwbthat should have been no04:53
ThunderStruckdepends on error but shouldnt be04:53
ojwbI think xchat is being too clever04:53
geskerThunderStuck, commented out cdrom, still no joy04:53
mc44gesker: try gb.archive not uk.archive04:53
ThunderStruckgesker, pastebin sudo apt-get update04:53
ThunderStruckuk was working ~2hours ago04:54
mc44hmm, yes it's the same actually04:54
geskerThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40816/04:55
mc44ThunderStruck: but sometimes proxies along the way are broken04:55
ThunderStruckgesker, maybe try sudo apt-get install not isntall04:55
ThunderStrucknvm you did :(04:55
ThunderStruckgesker, are you behind a proxie04:56
ThunderStruckproxy too04:56
geskerThunderStruck, same problem, no proxy04:56
ThunderStruckgesker, please give me the path that your list is at04:56
geskerThunderStruck /etc/apt/sources.list04:57
ThunderStruck gesker if you cd into /etc/apt/ can you pastebin ls -a04:57
buntu_bumlook under open-source computers on the dell page04:58
buntu_bumnorednaekim, yes i did, nice lil computer too04:58
geskerThunderStruck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40818/04:58
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ThunderStruckgecan you give me whats in sources.d04:59
Simon80I have a vostro 1400, basically same as the 142004:59
ThunderStruckgesker, can you*04:59
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teskowow that was fun04:59
mc44gesker: try installing something else from multiverse, (eg a2mp3 is top of the list here :)04:59
nosrednaekimyeah...I wish I could afford one :)04:59
tech0007Simon80...wow Vostro05:00
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ThunderStruckmc44, main isnt being hit05:00
ThunderStruckthats what is bothering me about this05:00
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Simon80it was a better deal than the same inspiron :D05:00
buntu_bumschool discount rules, took off $20005:00
Picigesker: Can you get on to the internet at all on that computer?05:00
ThunderStruckPici,  you see him?05:00
mc44ThunderStruck: Hit http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages05:00
geskerhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40820/05:00
PiciThunderStruck: Yes, but I dont know if hes on the same computer hes ircing from05:01
trdracerhey guys im having troubles configuring my screen resolutions.05:01
geskerThunderStruck, mc44 admp3 installs fine05:01
trdracerim stuck on 800x60005:01
ThunderStruckmc44, apt-cache search isnt showing any output when searching for ubuntu-desktop05:01
trdracerugly and very bulky05:01
nosrednaekimtrdracer: what graphics card?05:01
trdraceri need something like like 1280 x 102405:01
buntu_bumcheck if your driver is set up correctly05:01
trdracerati radeon 9200SE05:01
ThunderStruckitws not corrupted thats good05:01
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tech0007Simon80...heard there were issues w/ lcd in vostro05:02
ThunderStruckgesker, install bzr please05:02
trdracermonitor hp f190305:02
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buntu_bumtrdracer, you might want to try and install the binary ati graphics driver05:02
Simon80tech0007: I don't know, I upgraded to the WXGA+ and it seems ok.. it was blurry in feisty, but that was a driver issue05:02
tech0007Simon80....thats nice05:02
geskerThunderStruck bzr installed ok05:02
trdracerbuntu_bum would that be on the ati site?05:03
ThunderStruckgesker, now try sun-java6-jre05:03
buntu_bumtrdracer, no, look in the repos05:03
Bryan_is there a way to use less power in ubuntu?05:03
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geskeralready installed05:03
trdracermm is that in synaptic?05:03
Simon80tech0007: I think screens should be high res as a rule, but alas, it's not my laptop, it's going to my sister, I was just setting it up05:03
nosrednaekimBryan_: did you try downloading powertop?05:03
buntu_bumbryan_ go to power manager05:03
geskerThunderStruck , sun-java6-jre already installed05:03
ThunderStruckgesker, apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin05:03
teskoi tried to open a link from xchat, then firefox got bus errors, then xchat got segmentation faults, then i tried sudo which gave me input/output errors, then gnome crashed!05:04
nosrednaekimtrdracer: the ati driver can be enabled via the restricted-manager05:04
Bryan_buntu_bum, yes I already did that.05:04
avatar_Bryan_: apt-get install powernowd05:04
Bryan_Mmk05:04
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nosrednaekimthat only works if he has an AMD...05:05
geskerThunderStruck: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table:05:05
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trdracer420weird...05:05
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ThunderStruckgesker, does it give a repo?05:05
geskerThunderStruck:  nothing followed version table05:05
ThunderStruckhmmmmm05:05
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anolisnautilus has died on my ubuntu 7.10 install05:05
trdracer420well nosrednaekim it says i dont need any restricted drivers..when i open that in admin05:05
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notvsuppose i download gusty today...will it be the same download i would theoretically download on friday?05:05
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ThunderStruckcan someone install sun-java6-plugin please05:06
ThunderStrucklet me know if it installs05:06
geskerThunderStruck: is there an command I can give apt-cache to see what repo its looking at?05:06
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nosrednaekimtrdracer420: huh.... run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"05:06
ThunderStruckgeapt-cache madison sun-java6-plugin05:06
tech0007notv...nope05:06
ThunderStruckgesker, apt-cache ...05:06
notvi suppose ill wait a few more days then05:06
trdracer420nosrednaekim what after that?05:07
geskerThunderStruck: ?05:07
tech0007notv...when i did the upgrade a few hours ago w/ using RC, it still asked if i want to download newer updates, hehe05:07
ThunderStruckthey are testing todays ISO's to see if they can be final atm05:07
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nosrednaekimtrdracer420: it should give you a dialog where you choose things.05:07
anolisdoes anyone know how i can fix nautilus?05:07
chandraI'm using Gutsy. After logging in Gnome just hangs. In the syslog I could see this: gdm[10581] : WARNING: Didn't understand `' (expected true or false) . Does anyone know what this means?05:07
notvRC?05:07
ThunderStruckgesker, apt-cache madison sun-java6-plugin will give you rpeos05:07
trdracer420damn how do i go back??i missed one05:07
ThunderStrucknotv, we are in final ISO freeze atm05:07
nosrednaekimtrdracer420: start over :)05:08
nosrednaekimits not big deal.05:08
trdracer420that works05:08
geskerThunderStruck: sun-java6 | 6-03-0ubuntu2 | http://uk.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Sources05:08
ThunderStruckha05:08
ThunderStrucki think i know the issue05:08
notvthunderstruck, what is final ISO freeze, and if im interrupting let me know05:08
ThunderStruckgesker, install flashplugin-nonfree please05:08
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trdracer420amount of memory used by video card?05:08
buntu_bumtrdracer the driver is named something odd, flgrx05:08
trdracer420Amount of memory (kB) to be used by the video card:      ???05:08
nosrednaekimtrdracer420: just leave anything you're not sure about blankor as default05:09
geskerThunderStruck: flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.05:09
ThunderStrucknotv, it means that nothing will be uploaded at all unless it fixes very very important bugs, like installer crash or kernel crashes or cant boot but only top issues will be fixed05:09
ThunderStruckgesker, damn05:09
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geskerThunderStruck: thank you for trying05:10
ThunderStruckgesker, install something from multiverse please05:10
notvhow is gutsy coming along compared to past releases?05:10
notvit seems to be crunch time05:10
geskerThunderStruck: what should I install?05:10
Simon80notv: I'm pissed about blurry fonts, but my wireless works05:10
trdracer420  Monitor's horizontal sync range:05:10
ThunderStruckgesker, nvm i think i got it05:10
WorkingOnWiseWhat setting do I need to change to Keep my wobbly windows, but Not have the windows "stick" to the desktop edges, or snap to them?05:10
Simon80and it's not crunch time, it's like, done, no more changes time05:10
Simon80that's my impression, at least05:10
chandratech007: "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep EE" doesn't return any matches05:10
trdracer420  Monitor's vertical sync range:    ?05:10
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ThunderStruckgesker, if i had to guess the binaries failed to build thats why madison only showed sources repo05:11
notvfantastic05:11
geskerThunderStruck: does that mean there is something wrong with the package?05:11
Simon80my wireless has never worked before, but now I'm connected using WPA, it's happy05:11
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Simon80I mean, it's worked, but not WPA05:12
Simon80but now that works05:12
ThunderStruckgesker,  i would guess so but i will know more when im downstairs on ubuntu05:12
Simon80with rt250005:12
ThunderStruckgesker, im working on sometrhing for a friend that ubuntu wont do05:12
trdracer420hey guys that didn't help my screen resolution options....05:13
trdracer420still the same BS05:13
geskerThunderStruck: I've got to head into a meeting, will be back in a while05:13
trdracer420i hate ubuntu for this05:13
ThunderStruckok05:13
ThunderStruckim gone for a bit as well05:13
Hobbseesavvas: btw - memoserv is one of the *worst* ways to try to contact me.05:14
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buntu_bumanybody having problems with mutltiple netowrk moniter applets in their system tray  at login?05:14
trdracer420http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2119/1588991218_95b1fb5b37_o.png <000 why05:15
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trdracer420http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1588113769_d86c72b3d2_o.png05:16
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dystopianrayHobbsee: is kopete still broken in gutsy?05:16
trdracer420those two links are the best resolutions i can get currently.05:16
trdracer420BS!05:16
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Hobbseedystopianray: WFM.05:16
Hobbseedystopianray: WFM in feisty too, though.05:17
notvi had a terrible time trying to use feisty with the ati card on my laptop05:17
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XsteelWolfAnyone using intel 4965agn ?05:17
trdracer420notv i have an ati and having lots of troubles here as well05:17
BlueAidan_workseems I have to restart hal to get my ipod recognized after plugging it in05:17
trdracer420what did you end up doing>05:18
notvdeleting it and crossing my fingers for gutsy...05:18
trdracer420huh05:18
notvi worked at it for days, but 80% of the time id boot up, id have a black screen.05:19
trdracer420yeah i dont need/want that05:19
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trdracer420i hate linux...i dont know how to run/save the files ive saved to my desktop05:21
trdracer420such as this 'ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run'05:21
trdracer420wtf do i do?05:21
dzzskygoto the main menu then administration then restricted drivers manager to install drivers05:22
dzzskyati*05:22
dzzskyor look for .deb files05:22
baskitcaisetrdracer420: open a term navigate to where the file is and kdesu sh ati---blah-bla05:22
dzzsky.deb = the same as windows .exe05:22
dzzskyie click and run05:23
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nanonymeeh, not really05:23
trdracer420dzzsky i dont get an option to choose it just says 'no restricted drivers needed'05:23
nanonymedzzsky, .deb is more like .msi05:23
dzzskyI was trying to be simple as I could05:24
trdracer420ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run <000 is whats on my desktop and is what i need to install how do i do it?05:24
notvwhat if you make it executable?05:24
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trdracer420what if i dont know how...05:25
trdracer420imma noob at this damn linux crap05:25
notvi really shouldnt give advice05:25
notvim pretty new myself05:25
teskoanyone else crash during a system update?05:25
trdracer420i dont understand anything about this.05:25
ojwbtesko: yes05:25
trdracer420i wish i did so this screen wouldnt be looking so damn ugly05:25
ojwbcan't say I recommend doing so05:25
TheInfinitytrdracer420: if you install beta software as a noob you should not wonder about "crap". its beta - really :.p05:25
teskoi crashed while it was installing cups05:25
bdgrauehttp://ubuntuusers.de/paste/16239/ any idea how to get kde4 running?05:26
trdracer420well im beta :P05:26
trdracer420so the only place i would get real help is #ubuntu then ???05:26
notvare you running gutsy?05:26
trdracer420people just seem to criticize here05:26
trdracer420yes notv05:26
dystopianray#ubuntu will not give gutsy help05:27
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notvi dont think you can expect much gutsy help until it is officially released05:27
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dystopianrayif you're using gutsy at this stage it's assumed that you know what you are doing05:27
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notvright05:28
trdracer420well i just need help fixing my resolutions....and im not getting any...this 800 x 600 looks so damn ugly and bulky05:28
Seeker`lo, why does my laptop log me off whenever i resume from suspend05:28
TheInfinitytrdracer420: just use radeon driver instead of fglrx or whatever ;)05:28
ojwbtesko: you should be able to get it to continue installing the packages with: sudo dpkg --configure -a05:28
ojwbtesko: but you may have to fix up some stuff by hand (I had to install evms before it would boot the new kernel)05:29
trdracer420TheInfinity ive tried that already dont think i havent...i wouldnt be in here if i hadnt tried every possible way05:29
dystopianraytrdracer420: does the restricted drivers manager not working for you?05:29
teskooh no, not by hand :(05:29
trdracer420dystopianray no it doesnt work for me05:29
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ojwbtesko: there may be a way to restart it, but I couldn't figure it out and nobody here seemed to know05:30
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preglowis there anything right now that suggests trying to upgrade to gutsy is a bad idea?05:30
TheInfinitytrdracer420: what do the logs say about it?05:30
dystopianraypreglow: wait for it to be officially released05:30
trdracer420http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html <000 i tried to install that and noooooooo doesnt work!05:30
trdracer420which logs?05:30
preglowdystopianray: don't worry, i won't come nagging if it fails, just wondering if something is currently broken05:30
TheInfinityxorg, syslog, dmesg05:30
AlienX_preglow: depends if you're capable of solving problems as they will arise05:31
preglowi am05:31
MTecknologyis 7.10 still on schedule?05:31
AlienX_preglow: i think it's reasonably stable. I did two upgrades yesterday05:31
baskitcaisepreglow:been running here for a couple weeks all updates and no great probs05:31
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preglowcool, i'll give upgrade a go, then05:31
trdracer420oh my god can someone get me a default xorg.conf file i have like 10 in my X11 folder05:32
AlienX_preglow: it's not a seamless upgrade though, especially if you're using nvidia...just a warning05:32
trdracer420so disgusting05:32
preglowi am using nvidia :P05:32
baskitcaisepreglow: I got ATI fine at home and this lappy is OK05:32
ojwbtrdracer420, the contents depend on your hardware, so some else's won't just work05:32
trdracer420damn....................05:32
MTecknologypreglow, I have a few issues yet, but I don't see them being fixed for release, if at all05:32
gnomefreakhmmmm it seems the package is fine. not sure why his repos arent grabbing it05:32
AlienX_preglow: you *may* have some issues with the drivers (I did on both machines one has a 7900GT and the other is a quattro laptop card)05:32
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trdracer420why all this damn hassle just to get a screen resolution that should already be an option...god.05:33
trdracer420freesoftwaresucksd05:33
AlienX_someone's asking to be klined05:33
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ojwbtrdracer420, that's just the way to get help round here05:33
dystopianraydon't use pre-release software if you don't know what you're doing05:33
gabriel__i have one problem with ubuntu 7.10 and my notebook, because when i latch the notebook and open him, the mouse disappear05:34
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trdracer420ive had this problem with feisty fawn as well05:34
Odd-rationaleHello! How do you install some Unsupported and/or experimental plugins for compiz-fusion? Thanks!05:34
trdracer420so its not just this release05:34
saiyr3has anyone noticed that the application switcher in compizconfig has a bad binding for switching to the previous window?05:34
teskohere's what's broken for me http://pastebin.com/d7512bb05:34
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AlienX_saiyr3: you can always change the keybindings05:34
trdracer420and i had this resolution thing fixed but then i rebooted and it went back to this pos of resolution i have now05:35
saiyr3I had trouble setting it within compizconfig so I changed it in gconf-editor05:35
AlienX_trdracer420: just edit your xorg.conf file and fix your resolution....05:35
saiyr3but in the meantime I noticed that prev_key was set correctly to alt-shift-tab, but prev_button is the actual used entry05:35
trdracer420AlienX_ ive tried and tried that.05:35
trdracer420and i dont know how to configure that thing properly.05:35
AlienX_trdracer420: dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg05:36
trdracer420scguy318 usually helps out a lot but hes not around05:36
trdracer420ehh i think i just tried that...and nothing comes up for me05:36
AlienX_trdracer420: did you run that in a terminal?05:36
AlienX_you can't be in X05:36
trdracer420dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg <0005:36
trdracer420i ran something else..im not sure what it was05:37
trdracer420i was told it earlier by someone in here05:37
trdracer420dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority  <000 is what i need05:37
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ojwbyou don't want the "--"05:37
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trdracer420ok05:38
AlienX_trdracer420: hit ctrl + alt + F1, login, type in sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop then type sudo dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg05:38
trdracer420adjusted05:38
darkangel_is the beta safe to install the website says so05:38
AlienX_darkangel_: depends on your user level05:38
ojwband you want the RC at this point, not the beta05:38
trdracer420AlienX_ huh??05:38
trdracer420i will not remember the sudo blah05:39
AlienX_trdracer420: do you own a pen?05:39
darkangel_ive become pretty good with ubuntu05:39
trdracer420yeah...05:39
notvcopy/paste works nicely too05:39
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AlienX_trdracer420: i suggest you use it05:39
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ojwbAlienX_, It's not "--xserver-xorg" surely?05:39
darkangel_i just cant get the it to install i follow the website instructions but nothing05:39
ojwbAlienX_, just "xserver-xorg"05:39
AlienX_ojwb: dpkg-reconfigure --xserver-xorg05:39
AlienX_ok, then xserver-xorg :oP05:40
trdracer420ok done..well that --blah blah gives me opetions05:40
trdracer420oh05:40
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trdracer420AlienX_ what will sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop get me?05:40
AlienX_trdracer420: it'll stop your display manager05:41
AlienX_and also, per ojwb the command is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:41
darkangel_alienX_ i keep getting this error05:41
trdracer420AlienX_ why do i want it to stop?05:41
darkangel_warning: could not initiate dbus05:41
darkangel_current dist not found in meta-release file05:41
AlienX_darkangel_: what error05:41
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ojwbhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RC says that nvidia now supports xrandr, but not at the same time as xinerama, which I've been using for ages to gets 2 screens (on the same card) as a single desktop05:42
ojwbif I stop using xinerama, can I still get a single desktop?05:42
aaro1I've had no success using the multiple monitor management tool with Gutsy on different cards from different vendors. Anyone out there have success using it?05:42
AlienX_darkangel_: read the doc on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades05:42
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darkangel_alienX_ lol that where im at05:42
AlienX_darkangel_: there's a whole section in there saying what to do if you get that message...05:43
darkangel_i tried sudo nano /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release05:43
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darkangel_but theres nothing there before i put all the info and after i put the info same error05:43
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RivaeAeryais it safe to install KDE4 on a computer that NEEDS to be functional all the time and has Kubuntu Gutsy? and how can i remove it after i install it? is there any other way to try it out?05:44
AlienX_darkangel_: you did a copy/paste and the formatting looks the same?05:44
darkangel_yes05:44
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gnomefreakFlats: try using our repo instead of that one05:44
darkangel_alienX is there another file i can try05:45
gnomefreakwe have wine in repos05:45
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AlienX_darkangel_: i'm really not sure to be honest.05:45
gnomefreakFlats: hint the repo is a feisty repo so it wont upgrade it05:45
aaro1I just installed wine. It was 0.9.46 instead of the current 0.9.47 release. Not sure there's a great deal of improvements in the .47 release05:45
FlatsNot sure what that means, I'm just doing an update-manager -c -d05:45
Flatswhat should I do different?05:45
darkangel_alienX what command do i do to make sure im curently updated (all updates for 7.04)05:45
gnomefreakFlats: its an unifficial repo so it wont use it05:46
teskoojwb, whatever you told me to do with dpkg worked, i got fully updated05:46
gnomefreakFlats: comment it out or use thier gutsy one if there is one. i would comment it out and try to upgrade than05:46
ojwbtesko, glad to hear it05:46
AlienX_darkangel_: apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade05:46
AlienX_darkangel_: if it doesn't tell you anything, you're good.05:47
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AlienX_brb05:47
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aaro1I'm getting ready to test installing Office 2003 Professional with wine on Gutsy. Just for giggles.05:48
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haffiHi, I just installed Kubuntu Gutsy rc-1, is there any way to enable compiz-fusion from a GUI? I have installed the nVidia drivers needed.05:48
AlienX_aaro1: it won't work...you'll need something like crossover office05:49
cypherdelicThanks to Developers of Asterisk, Cedega, Compiz-Fusion, FreePBX, Gentoo, Trixbox, Ubuntu, VirtualBox and all the great stuff i've not mentioned. You really make my day. :)05:49
aaro1Crossover uses regular wine underneath AFAIK. Why should it work there but not here?05:50
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AlienX_aaro1: it's a very tweaked version of wine...give it a shot but i doubt you'll get it to work :)05:51
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gunashekarwine is just an ingredient in the crossover cocktail!05:51
aaro1AlienX: The install seems to be running fine. But that isn't surprising. The proof will be when I launch it. We'll see shortly05:52
AlienX_:)05:52
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cypherdelicand VDR and WINE ;)05:53
aaro1Looks like installation finished. No shortcut in the Wine menu.05:53
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trdracerwell im back on feisty fawn and 1280 x 1024 does work.05:54
trdracerwell whenever the this bs here gets fixed i iwll go to it.05:54
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aaro1"Microsoft Office Word has not been installed for the current user. Please run setup to install the application."05:56
ISS_StudentCan anybody tell me which file I can check and how to modify it so I get my boot splash screen back05:56
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AlienX_ISS_Student: gdmsetup iirc05:57
niwtI got rid of my bootsplash by editing grub/menu.lst05:57
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niwtunfortunately, I still can't see the boot messages05:57
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AlienX_niwt: you just removed 'splash' from the lines in grub right?05:58
ISS_StudentI want mine back I hate looking at a black screen05:58
niwtI also removed "quiet"05:58
darkangel_ugh i hate this damn thing \05:58
greg-gI just noticed that I have libntfs-3g5 and 3g12 installed on this machine (installed at the Beta).  Is there a reason for the two, or should I remove 3g5 ?05:58
AlienX_ISS_Student: oh, i thought you meant gdm....just type "splash" in the menu.list in all the perams05:58
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AlienX_s/menu.list/menu.lst05:59
niwtAlienX: I changed it to #defoptions=vga=79105:59
aaro1Hmmm. I wonder if winetools is a package05:59
warbisshopMY compiz settings manager doesnt pop up anymore05:59
aaro1!info winetools05:59
ubotuPackage winetools does not exist in gutsy06:00
warbisshopanyone have an idea what might cause this06:00
aaro1Great. That's needed it looks like in order to get it working06:00
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AlienX_warbisshop: what does it say when you try to run ccsm in a terminal?06:00
AlienX_aaro1: apt-cache search wine :)06:00
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warbisshopAttributeError: 'compizconfig.Plugin' object has no attribute 'Initialized06:01
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AlienX_warbisshop: did you upgrade from feisty?06:01
warbisshopno06:01
warbisshopits a clean install06:01
aaro1AlienX: Thanks. I knew there had to be such a tool. Still no dice on the winetools06:01
warbisshophow i installed kiba doc aswell06:01
warbisshophowever*06:01
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AlienX_warbisshop: make sure you have these packages installed http://pastebin.ca/73872806:02
cypherdelicBillyG@BilliesHomeframe$ sudo killall linux && sudo modprobe vista && ./vista-take-over-world06:02
cypherdelicsegmentation fault06:03
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warbisshophow do i make that shure :s06:06
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kevsthabesthey guys. i cant seem to get compiz working in gusty. nvidia drivers installed but i keep getting white screen.06:07
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kevsthabestany suggestions?06:07
ojwbI have the composite extension enabled, but trying to enable desktop effects just spins the cursor for a bit and pops up a dailog "Desktop effects could not be enabled"06:09
ojwbwith no further information06:09
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MTecknologyWhat's the development summit and canonical allhands?06:09
cypherdelicDonBush@Whiteframe$ sudo falseflag --target $HOME --match 911 && sudo mount /dev/africom && sudo killall iran && dd if=/dev/america of=/dev/world && sudo killall rebels06:09
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greg-gAny clues on the libntfs-3g5 and 3g12 both being installed?  3g5 is no longer in the repos (according to synaptic) so I assume I can remove it?06:10
General_LAnyone upgraded to 7.10 and uses an mobilephone (in this case sony ericsson k800i) as usb 3g modem with cabel? it worked fine in 7.04 but now it failes06:10
cypherdelicsegmentation fault06:10
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mon^rchopenoffice.org just broke on me:/06:10
evilbelgianwhat better ubuntu or pure debian06:11
ojwbboth are better06:11
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aaro1That's a coke vs pepsi kind of question06:12
kevsthabestits all a matter of preference06:12
ojwband this isn't the place to get an unbiased answer either06:12
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kevsthabestthe biggest difference is ubuntu is more bleeding edge then debian06:13
kevsthabestfrom what i recall anyways06:13
ojwbunless you're happy to run testing/unstable, which can be a bit too bleeding for some06:13
haffidebian unstable is very bleeding edge06:13
evilbelgianbleeding edge ??? ( this is the internet there is no such thing as unbiased here )06:13
niwtyeah, debian is always behind the times with versions06:13
MTecknologyWhat's the Development Summit and the Canonical AllHands?06:13
MTecknologyI'm just curious if that changes the actual release CD or not06:14
ojwbif you're running a desktop machine and want reasonably up-to-date stuff without much risk of random breakage, Ubuntu probably has the edge06:14
ojwbMTecknology, no06:14
kevsthabestMTecknology: its when the dev all meet to plan out the next release i believe06:14
ojwbthey're meetings06:14
MTecknologyok06:14
kevsthabestunless a really bad bug shows up that breaks everything.. gusty is still comming out on the 18(i think thats the date.. not really paying attention to the actual release date(06:15
evilbelgian18 is correct06:16
evilbelgiani checked the site earlier06:16
niwton the ubuntuforums, posts regarding install problems are appearing about every five minutes - is that a normal rate?06:17
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mon^rchand my kde/gnome fonts are out of sync :/06:18
nosrednaekimniwt: 0.o06:18
nosrednaekimare they all similar06:18
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FlatsI still cant seem to get past those two last links it's looking for when trying to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.1006:19
aaro1Ubuntu has its own visual experience along with (as I understand it) different default packages and tools. That along with the rapidly growing community greatly sets it apart from Debian. If the visuals in Ubuntu, the package defaults and the community appeal to you over Debian, then I guess Ubuntu is right for you.06:19
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clustyweird....06:21
kevsthabestokay anyone here handy with compiz and nvidia could gimme a hand?06:21
bardyrplus ubuntu has a less restrictive policy to restricted drivers06:21
clustyamsn is complaining that its not translated in my language: ENGLISH...06:21
bardyrkevsthabest, just ask the question06:21
FlatsIs there a way to stop the upgrade from trying to connect to a site?  Failed to fetch http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found06:21
FlatsFailed to fetch http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main-all/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found06:21
clustybardyr: read my mind :D06:21
kevsthabest/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: pixmap 0x2a001b5 can't be bound to texture < everytime i try loading compiz06:21
bjb1959what is the easiest way to downgrade my nvidia drive to 100.14.09 to stop the random freeze issue caused by the new drivers06:21
aaro1bardyr: I mentally included that fact in the "default packages and tools" part06:22
WorkingOnWisekevstha0006:22
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aaro1although technically they aren't default06:22
aaro1they are just available by default06:22
san|why do video and opengl stuff (like goom) not work nicely with 7.10 ati open source drivers?06:23
san|anything I can do about this?06:23
WorkingOnWisebjb1959:  when did u install the new nvidia drivers?06:23
bjb1959using the restricted drivers module in gutsy to install the glx-new module06:24
bjb1959about 1 month ago06:24
aaro1san| short term, no idea. Long term, the ATI drivers should get really nice as development documents are being released. As long as your chipset is included in the ones where information is being released by AMD06:24
WorkingOnWiseoh...I'm not having any problems at all on my Go 610006:24
FlatsIs there a way to stop the upgrade from trying to connect to a site?  Failed to fetch http://ntfs-3g.sitesweetsite.info/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found then my upgrade bombs06:25
aaro1No problems on GFX 520006:25
WorkingOnWisein fact, it works so well that my wife is green... she said she doesn't think it's fair that I always get the reallly good stuff.06:26
nosrednaekimFlats: remove that repository line from your /etc/sources.list06:26
WorkingOnWiseShe has the exact same laptop, just smaller display (her choice)! But she's on Vista06:27
Flatsthanks nosred06:27
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aaro1Vista? Hope you know a good divorce lawyer if you are making her use that06:28
FlatsI dont have an /etc/sources.list06:28
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greg-g/etc/apt/sources.list06:29
Flatsahh thanks greg-g06:30
greg-gnp06:30
nosrednaekimsorry Flats06:30
WorkingOnWiseaaro1: lol. She's intimidated by Linux....but the more she uses Vista, the more she likes my laptop!06:31
WorkingOnWiseand she won't come over till the video on cbs.com and netflix both work as well as in Windows. sigh06:32
san|aaro1: where can I see if they're working on my drivers?06:32
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Jaymachas anyone come up with a solution to fix NTFS partitions not auto-mounting yet?06:33
Jaymaccan't find anything on the forum06:33
aaro1I just told my wife what she was going to be using and she didn't care so long as I would help her if she had problems. She's never had any although I had to teach her how to burn a CD--once. Except for slow learners, I think the "re-train" argument is a bit overblown06:33
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aaro1She even figured out how to personalize her desktop without any help on my part06:34
nuccohey, anyone here able to get gutsy to boot on a hp nx9420?06:34
robtaylormy gf has veen using ubuntu for a couple of years now, but for some reason evince is really messing up printing pdfs atm, which is driving her crazy06:34
Flatswoo hooo Finally upgrading has begun...06:35
Flatsthanks all06:35
FlatsI thinkl06:35
robtaylorthat and that abiword prints documents offset by an inch at the top, and that openoffice's UI sucks06:36
robtaylor:/06:36
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anolismy nautilus has died, i was wondering if anyone can help me diagnose/resolve this issue, no desktop icons/background can't browse folders06:38
aaro1I haven't tried Symphony yet (is it available for Linux?). But I agree--OO.o UI is not that great. Sun needs to get over the fact and do something about it06:38
bardyrSun needs to release OO to the community06:38
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aaro1Among other things06:39
Brucevdkanolis: is it still running?06:39
anolisyes, but i tried restarting x06:39
anolislemme kill it06:39
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Brucevdkanolis: nautilus -q will quit without restarting automatically if it still responds, otherwise you'll have to manually (p)kill it06:40
WorkingOnWiseaaro1: the big issue I have always had is my day-to-day apps not working in Windows. Until OO 2, There was no reasonable replacement for MS Office, and even with Evolution, there is no reasonable replacement for Outlook if you are a real power-user.06:40
joebobjoehey guys06:40
joebobjoei'm new to the opensource os06:40
nuccojoebobjoe: and you chose a pre-release version of ubuntu?06:41
anolishmm now this is interesting, hl2.exe and Steam.exe are still running even though i logged out and back in they are defunct, i imagine i will goto init 1 then back to 506:41
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Jaymacjoebobjoe, if you're new you should probably be in #ubuntu using 7.04 :)06:41
aaro1I can't get Evolution connected to Exchange 2007 atm. Allegedly, I can install some extra stuff to make that happen, but as of right now, I don't consider Evolution any sort of Outlook replacement right now06:41
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nosrednaekimjoebobjoe: hey... hows it going?06:42
WorkingOnWiseThe solution for me to be able to stay in Linux was VirtualBox. I can now run my Windows apps in Ubuntu, and except for 3d windows only apps, I lose Nothing now...but man does it take a ton of processing power! It wasn't possible till this year.06:42
anolisbrb06:42
aaro1VirtualBox runs an instance of Windows underneath?06:43
WorkingOnWiseEvolution rocks for the average Outlook user.06:43
nosrednaekimaaro1: it can06:43
WorkingOnWiseYes it does.06:43
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aaro1Is it an RDP solution or a seamless application type solution (i.e. Parallels)06:43
anolissteam and hl2 are still defunct, how do i kill these runaway processes?06:44
aaro1scratch RDP and replace with virtual desktop06:44
WorkingOnWiseI have Windows XP running now so I can use Outlok 2007 and Business Contact Manager, and I'm in Ubuntu06:44
WorkingOnWiseaaro1: it is a vm, but I'd say 85% performance of native.06:44
bardyrWorkingOnWise, enable KVM, i havent had any performance problems with Virtualbox06:44
bardyrbut im on a 1.8 dual core amd x2 tl-5606:45
WorkingOnWisethere is a mode that makes it seem like you are running your apps nativly in Linux...06:45
aaro1I'm not asking my question well. Does it offer back-end transparency? Think Citrix remote applications06:45
aaro1No desktop within a desktop kind of thing06:45
bardyraaro1, it has RDP support06:46
nosrednaekimbardyr: same hardware....it even runs vista decently.06:46
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bardyraaro1, and does not need X06:46
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WorkingOnWisebardyr: it's enabled. I only have 1GB of ram, so I can only give the vm 512. With Office 2007, 512 is the painful bare minimum!06:46
bardyryea06:46
bardyri have 2 gigs so theres no problem06:46
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bardyras long as i dont run vista :)06:46
WorkingOnWisebardyr: lol!06:47
WorkingOnWisebardyr: VB doesnt need X?!06:47
bardyrnope06:47
geniiWill gutsy have cipux?06:47
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bardyrWorkingOnWise, VboxManage startvm name --type vrdp :)06:47
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bardyrWorkingOnWise, and i think the rdp is a little faster then with the GUI06:48
WorkingOnWiseaaro1: the last time I played with citrix remote apps was  maybe 4 years ago. VB is Much better06:48
WorkingOnWiseso I could start a vm even if x was wounded?06:49
newnickhi im trying to get my wireless card working again...it was working before i upgraded to 7.10 and now it wont show up in the gui network tool, or iwconfig or ifconfig. if i do "sudo lshw -C network" it shows up but nowhere else. thanks06:49
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bardyrnewnick, what card?06:50
bardyrnewnick, and did you check the restricted manager?06:51
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newnickbardyr its a siemens speedstream 802.11b, and its not restricted06:52
geniiSince no webmin now and cipux appears to be Debian maintainer's choice (per http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-edu@lists.debian.org/msg08836.html) will this soon be ported?06:52
newnickaccording to the help and support if it shows up in sudo lshw -C network then the driver is installed, but the support page makes no mention of what to do if it shows up there and not in ifconfig06:53
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nibsa1242bit there a way to force an upgrade using a cd or dvd only? I'm doing the method from the alternative-cd & I told it not to check the internet for updates and its still using the internet. My internet connection is jittery and unreliable and I'd rather it not use it.06:53
bardyrnewnick, check dmesg06:53
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Pseudoryx Hi everyone, I'm currently using gutsy server edition, running DWM as windows manager, does anyone know how to display the output from "Htop" apps on background mode, and blend it on top of Wallpaper? (in Xinitrc)???06:53
nareshovany idea when 2.6.23 is coming?06:54
mc44nareshov: in gutsy? never...06:54
nareshov:O06:54
newnickbardyr what in dmesg am i looking for?06:55
gnomefreaknareshov: it wont be in gutsy06:55
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Pseudoryx Hi everyone, I saw in some distro such as Knoppix or Puppy Linux, there is realtime CPU usage text displace on top of Wallpaper (similar with Gkrell), does anyone know how to do that by displaying the output of TOP ontop of wallpaper ( by load it up in xinitrc ?)06:57
nareshovwell, my hda-intel seems to be working only with the module in 6.23 :| (I compiled it myself today, the wireless firmware isn't available, so..)06:57
riotkittiePseudoryx: conky06:57
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nosrednaekimnareshov: compiled your own kernel?06:57
nareshovyeah06:57
AlienX_it's not hard :)06:57
Pseudoryx {riotkittie}: can you show me how to that?06:57
nosrednaekimnareshov: cool. well, you SHOULD just be able to use that then..06:57
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nareshovhmm :|06:58
Pseudoryx {riotkittie}: how should I load conky in xinitrc06:58
kitchePseudoryx: install conky and just put conky & in your .xinitrc06:58
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joebobjo1hey guys, i need some help, for some reason ubuntu starts in low graphics mode06:59
Pseudoryx {riotkittie}: thx06:59
gunashekarnaresh: is there a howto on that specific to #ubuntu?06:59
kitchePseudoryx: or exec conky | dwm06:59
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lee98632hello06:59
nibsa1242bIs there a way to upgrade only from the CD/DVD? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades says you can use the alternate CD/DVD, however, when you follow the instructions it still connects to the internet.06:59
nareshovgunashekar, yeah, saw it on a ubuntu wiki page07:00
nareshovgive me a sec07:00
lee98632eh question if we have the beta version how do we upgrade it?07:00
nosrednaekimnibsa1242b: probably because you installed extra software.07:00
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nosrednaekimlee98632: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"07:00
lee98632ty07:01
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nibsa1242bnosrednaekim: is there a way to tell it not to bother with the extra software and update later? for example, if someone didn't have internet could they just leave the extra software at their current versions until after the upgrade? Or alternatively, is there a link to the Alternative DVD, since that might have more packages on it? I can only seem to find the Alternative CD. Its incredibly slow doing the network upgrade (I'm averaging around ~30-5007:03
nibsa1242bkb/s) wheras I can bit torrent an image at >300kb/s.07:03
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nosrednaekimThat would PROBABLY break things.07:04
nosrednaekimthere is no alternative cd07:04
nosrednaekim*dvd07:04
lee98632is taht all in one line? nosrednaekia?07:05
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nibsa1242bnosrednaekim: ok, well I don't want to break anything. I guess I just wait for a day and hope it works this time. Last time it timed out and I had to start over.07:05
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nosrednaekimah07:05
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hdoriaanyone runing wine + gutsy?07:05
nosrednaekimleeyeah07:05
nosrednaekimlee98632: yeah, one line07:06
andy_1can someone tell me if gutsy is better than fiesty\07:06
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nosrednaekimandy_1: it will be when it is all realsed07:06
andy_1is there any digital camera support07:06
nibsa1242bhdoria: I have wine + gusty running on my other machine.07:06
hdorianibsa1242b, my computer crashs everytime wine tries to create the wineprefix07:07
hdoriado you know what can be wrong?07:07
nibsa1242bandy_1: any digital camera I've ever used worked fine with Ubuntu07:07
andy_1I have 3 that I can't get to work07:07
andy_1I use fiesty as of right now07:08
lee98632eh I am getting this line 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.07:08
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lee98632nosrednaekim does this mean that I am already upgrad4ed?07:08
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nosrednaekimyeah... that means you are all updated07:09
nibsa1242bandy_1: mine always auto mount and pop up showing the contents of the camera (over USB)... digital video was a bit harder but I figured that out as well07:09
lee98632ergles ok restarting then07:09
lee98632crossing my fingers07:09
nibsa1242bhdoria: I have no idea, it seemed to "just work" for me07:09
ReL1Kanyone get weird characters when they paste sometimes? looks like chinese characters or something?07:09
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nibsa1242bhdoria: about the only thing I use wine for on that machine is IEs 4 Linux though...07:10
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hdoriathats what i need wine for07:10
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silentno one having problems with yesterday's batch of updates I hope07:11
mon^rchi sure am07:11
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gunashekarsilent: no problems : the original problems remain unchanged though07:11
dougbis there a new feature in gusty to make it easy to create an account for a samba shared folder?07:11
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ReL1Kso noones having issues where they copy and paste something and it turns up to be chinese characters? :P07:12
silentdougb, sudo apt-get install swat07:12
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silentReL1K, are people having that issue?07:12
ReL1Ki am07:13
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ReL1Kim not sure if anyone else is07:13
silentReL1K, well, good luck with that07:13
ReL1Kbasically if i copy and paste something, it'll work sometimes, others it posts very strange chinese characters07:13
ReL1Ksilent, you rock at helping!07:13
nibsa1242bhdoria: have you checked your repositories? I used to grab wine straight from "wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty", (which is where IEs4Linux tells you to get it from) but I disabled that before I updated to gusty07:13
silentReL1K, it's what I do best07:13
hdorianibsa1242b, i got from the wine website07:14
silentReL1K, you could always try a sudo apt-get --reinstall install xorg07:14
hdoriadirectly07:14
kitcheReL1K: sounds like a UTF-8 issue07:14
prakritii lost my network applet/ wifi-browser tool on my bar07:14
prakritiand the network monitor tool looks the same but isn't07:14
winbondi need a icon pack for dolphin, and a login screen replacement, can someone give me some links?07:14
prakritihow do I get it back?07:14
gunashekarReL1K: do you have asian language installed ?07:14
silentprakriti, sudo apt-get install network-manager07:14
ReL1Kgunashekar: i have a default install, nothing else installed07:15
silentthen add the icons by right clicking and hitting add to panel07:15
ReL1Klemme check a peek07:15
prakritinetwork-manager is already the newest version.07:15
nibsa1242bhdoria: I'd recommend removing the version you got from the wine website and using the package manager to install it. That is how its setup for me, and it works fine.07:15
edsiperwhat's the real reason about why I can't do a 'cat /proc/1/maps' ??, maps has 44407:15
prakritisilent : but I only have network monitor in my progs to add07:15
hdorianibsa1242b, didint work. could it be a dri problem?07:16
silentdont use the wine repositories unless you absolutely need to.. and even then, disable the ubuntu reps beforehand07:16
silentthere are some interesting incompatibility issues07:16
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silentprakriti, you should have a notification area you can add07:16
silentadd/configure it07:17
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gunashekarsilent: An incompatibility or an issue is distressing for a user and interesting for a developer07:17
silentapparently the notification area was coded by the guys over at redhat07:17
ReL1Kgunashekar: only have english installed07:17
lee98632well, i half of the ati drivers working lol, i just don't have the ati catylysst no more lol07:17
d4rkHi! Anyone know why libcdio-dev in gutsy is still version 0.76 (2 years old) instead of 0.78 (1 year old) ? Thx!07:18
prakritihrm07:18
prakritiI have the notification area07:18
prakrition my bar07:18
silentgunashekar, when you apt-get install xwine it uninstalls wine and if you install wine it uninstalls xwine.. and when you run xwine it complains about not having wine ;P it's kinda funny what can happen mixing repos07:18
prakritiamarok shows up in it07:18
nibsa1242bhdoria: I don't know,.07:18
hdoriaim going to try. thank anyway nibsa1242b :)07:18
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silentprakriti, try the online help07:18
nibsa1242bhdoria: sorry I couldn't help more07:18
silenton the right-click menu07:19
AngryElfgusty upgrade process .... "Access to this internal disk is restricted to system administrators...." please enter password -- how vague and obscure, sounds sketchy to me07:19
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hdoriano problem man. thats a strange problem07:19
winbondd4rk, maybe they missed it, submit a bug?07:19
silentAngryElf, by installing Microsoft software you agree to the terms listed below.... sounds sketchy to me07:19
joebobjoehey guys, i'm having a graphics driver problem...can anyone private chat me and help?07:19
d4rkknix, thx winbond07:20
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silentjoebobjoe, !ask07:20
AngryElfsilent: yea but they dont ask for my password in obscure terms either07:20
silenterrr !ask | joebobjoe07:20
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gunashekarReL1K: just shut down and restart after a while , i had a similar problem ( the garbage though was in english)07:20
joebobjoei cant seem to find the right driver07:20
Yexo77I'm using gutsy with compiz. The logout screen should have a transparant background but instead it has a black background with white lines on it. I get that same image when I try to rotate the cube (should also be transparant when rotating). Anyone has any ideas?07:20
MessiahAngelhi all07:20
silentjoebobjoe, what card?07:20
ReL1Kgunashekar: if  i reboot it fixes it for awhile, but reappears07:20
joebobjoewell, i have it, i just dotn know how to configure the xorg.conf file07:20
ReL1Kcant figure out whats causing it07:21
silentAngryElf, why didn't you sudo the upgrade?07:21
joebobjoethe xorg.conf file stuff is confusing moi07:21
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silentAngryElf, it's probably just a superuser requirement07:21
lee98632whats better genome or XFC?07:21
AngryElfsilent: I did sudo the upgrade, that's why it's weird :)07:21
silentlee98632, gnome or xfce?07:21
silentAngryElf, hmm07:21
nibsa1242bjoebobjoe: what graphics hardware do you have?07:21
silentAngryElf, pastebin it07:21
lee98632yea07:21
AngryElfeh, i canceled it07:21
gunashekarReL1K: I am non technical but it went off after i disabled compiz ,07:21
MessiahAngelguys i have a pb with my RAID 0 and Gutsy...07:21
silentjoebobjoe, lspci and find your graphics display device07:21
AngryElfi just wanted to see if anyone else saw it07:21
joebobjoei am usign a TNT 2 graphics card07:22
MessiahAngelanyone knows how gutsy is managing raid07:22
joebobjoefrom like 5 years ago07:22
ReL1Kgunashekar: could be compiz, ill keep it off see how it works with that07:22
ReL1Kthanks for the tip07:22
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PiciAngryElf: What are you upgrading from and what tool are you using?07:22
silentjoebobjoe, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy07:22
silenti think07:22
joebobjoeok07:22
joebobjoeany repo's i need?07:22
silentshould be in default07:22
AngryElfPici: feisty to gutsy07:22
AngryElfsudo update-manager -d07:22
AngryElfgotta reboot! :)07:22
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lee98632oooohh we have 2 days left lol...07:23
silentlee98632, i didn't wait... :/ installed a few days ago07:24
lee98632that i dint know07:24
lee98632ahh07:24
silentI'll have to upgrade to 8 soon ;P07:24
prakritiAhhh there we go: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager" fixed it07:24
lee98632eh how come the :(07:24
silentprakriti, that makes sense07:24
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silentshould have thought of that07:24
silentprakriti, apt-get --reinstall install network-manager would have worked too07:25
lee98632so silent what you are saying is that it already came out o is coming out?07:25
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silentlee98632, I'm running the pre-release version07:25
lee98632ohhhhh ok...me too07:26
silenthttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing07:26
silentyeah, it's basically the release version minus a few final updates07:26
nibsa1242byep, why wait? I've got it running on my laptop and I'm upgrading my main machine right now. This time I'm smart and upgraded my UPS, when I upgraded last time my power went out and fixing that was painful.07:26
lee98632only on a 64 bit machine07:26
MessiahAngelanyone knows how gutsy manage raid ?07:26
silentMessiahAngel, no07:26
lee98632oooooo that would be painfull07:26
silentnibsa1242b, I use a laptop now for most things... no need for a ups when I have a battery07:27
lee98632ok well Ihave half of my ati driver working, the important half at least I don't have the catylyst yet07:27
MessiahAngelthe thing is i did the upgrade from feisty and grub won't start cuz my boot partition is not the right one it seems07:27
lee98632well i am going to play witht the drivers lol07:27
silentlee98632, you can install the drivers from the ati site, i believe they add the control panel07:27
nosrednaekimlee98632: search for "fglrx"07:27
lee98632heck its raining dogs alseep and I am bord07:27
silentbut there may be an ubuntu package for it07:27
nosrednaekimlee98632: oh wait..are you on 64 bit?07:28
lee98632that I am07:28
lee98632heehee also have ascript to revise the fire fox07:28
silentlee98632, sweet jesus why?07:28
nosrednaekimlee98632: ah... well no control center for you then.07:28
lee98632because its more stable...and I edit video lol07:28
nosrednaekimunless you want to install some 32 bit libs..etc.07:28
silentlee98632, you EDIT VIDEO? SWEET JESUS WHY?07:29
lee98632I don't hae the issue s tht I have with the 3207:29
silent:P07:29
nosrednaekimheh07:29
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lee98632because I like I might be revolluntering for KLTV lol07:29
silentopposite for me... in 32 i don't have the issues present in 64 bit07:29
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lee98632heehee I also like to render 3d07:29
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silentlee98632,  get into movie production07:29
lee98632hehee, well if they ever get something that is runable on linux I will07:30
PiciPriceChild: fyi, you're missing the second dash in #ubuntu-release-party07:30
silentGUISE MY WARTY INSTALL SAYS I NEED TO UPDATE07:30
BalachmarHi, I was just wondering if I could change the settings of the visual effect besides off, normal and extreme (or whatever it is called)07:30
silentcustom07:30
nibsa1242bsilent: I enjoy the storage space I have on my desktop, and the graphics power. Besides, I'm connected to the internet over a microwave link so that, as well as my wireless router, are connected to the UPS. I can run for ~45min without power on my desktop, happily connected to the internet. That and I like the voltage regulation, the power in my area is highly subject to over & undervoltages.07:30
lee98632ok how's this for an asnswer...i like to be ...different lol07:30
silentBalachmar, system > preferences > appearance07:30
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lee98632thats why i am running 64 bit07:31
joebobjoesilent: i just tried that sudo nvidia thing, it installed, but the driver doesnt wrok07:31
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PriceChildPici, woo thanks07:31
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silentnibsa1242b, I run a server on a ups so I can have access to over 1TB of space from any machine in my house07:31
lee98632heehee and i like the attenin i get when some one sees a 64 bit using flash and java lol07:31
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silentbut yeah, the graphics power is good for the gaming... but I rarely do that anymore07:31
nosrednaekimlee98632: thats nothin with gutsy its one command!07:32
silenta little bioshock here and there07:32
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lee98632lol07:32
GribblesAnybody else having horrible stability problems with nVidia restricted drivers?07:32
joebobjoeYES!!!!07:32
nosrednaekimGribbles: heard some complaints..07:32
silentlee98632, I suspect 64 bit ubuntu would have an easier way to get 64 bit java/flash working, but I'm too lazy... I'll wait for native to come out07:32
joebobjoei tried to use them, but now im in low graphics mode07:32
lee98632well hmm its calledgutsy...right....so ..i decided to get gutsy07:32
silentGribbles, worse than in windows? certainly not07:33
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lee98632yeah, i am just messing around until native comes out07:33
Gribblessilent: I can't go 5 minutes on the nvidia driver without a hard freeze :(07:33
silentGribbles, ew... try the nv drivers for now until a new release07:33
san|nouveaux?07:33
silentGribbles, or get the latest drivers from nvidia.com and install them07:33
silentsan|, new?07:34
lee98632ok now for the first trial test...the woble07:34
silentenglish is so much more efficient than french07:34
joebobjoecan anyone help me install the latest drivers?07:34
Gribblessilent: yeah, that's what I'm doing, it sucks though because the nv driver can't properly support my older monitor so my refresh rate is seizurerific :(07:34
Gribblessilent: I tried that and it TOTALLY screwed up my system, it wouldn't even boot07:34
silentGribbles, you sure? try messing around with modelines07:34<