[01:15] <Ubulette> libpipnss.a is bundled into libxul.so
[01:17] <asac> k
[01:17] <asac> like everything most likely ;)
[01:17] <asac> did you rebuild xul? or ffox?
[01:17] <asac> or both?
[01:17] <Ubulette> for what ?
[01:18] <asac> for new nss ;)
[01:18] <Ubulette> i'm all head her
[01:18] <Ubulette> e
[01:18] <Ubulette> :)
[01:18] <Ubulette> but that cert error is not new
[01:18] <asac> moving three components forward doesn't really help to track the issue down
[01:18] <asac> ok
[01:18] <asac> didn't know its an issue
[01:18] <asac> is there a bug?
[01:19] <Ubulette> I can't find one
[01:19] <Ubulette> but that doesn't mean anything
[01:20] <asac> firefox-3.0 in gutsy works fine
[01:20] <asac> with and without added root cert
[01:20] <asac> i get a cert warning and can accept it temporarily et al
[01:20] <asac> so it must be a recent regression
[01:22] <asac> now it crashed \O/
[01:22] <asac> openend a long rss feed bookmark
[01:22] <asac> bang
[01:22] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 399905
[01:22] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 399905 in English US "Bad cert domain error when clicking a link on fedex.com" [Normal,Reopened]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399905
[01:23] <Ubulette> nope
[01:23] <asac> you started this discussion with stgraber site ... that one works here
[01:24] <Ubulette> it's bad cert domain, i get certificate is not trusted or its issuer certificate is invalid.
[01:24] <Ubulette>  (sec_error_unknown_issuer)
[01:24] <asac> which url?
[01:24] <Ubulette> stgraber
[01:24] <asac> that bug is from yesterday
[01:25] <Ubulette> it's for a cert domain, not me
[01:25] <asac> ok
[01:27] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 398406
[01:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 398406 in General "Cleanup remaining uses of nsIBadCertListener in Minimo" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398406
[01:28] <Ubulette> "Bad cert's are now full stop error, there is no longer an interface to "proceed
[01:28] <Ubulette> anyway". A workaround requiring the manual use of certificate manager was made
[01:28] <Ubulette> available in bug 387480.
[01:28] <Ubulette> "
[01:28] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 387480
[01:28] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 387480 in Security: UI "Support network-fetched cert import in Servers tab of Cert Mgr ("Add Exception" dialog)" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387480
[01:34] <Ubulette> ok, it works if I add an exception for that site using the cert manager
[01:35] <Ubulette> so it could be an a9 thing
[01:35] <Ubulette> 387480 seems to be it
[01:39] <asac> mozilla bug 387480
[01:39] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 387480 in Security: UI "Support network-fetched cert import in Servers tab of Cert Mgr ("Add Exception" dialog)" [Normal,Assigned]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387480
[01:41] <Ubulette> there's a new UI but it does not popup when needed
[09:58] <asac> hi
[11:20] <asac> Ubulette: i assigned a xulrunner-1.9 bug to you ... about xpcshell. did we forget to include that or isn't it build at all?
[11:20] <asac> i guess this should go to the -dev package ... but not sure
[02:11] <gnomefreak> ok got kiko looking at changing the owner so i can add admins
[02:14] <asac> gnomefreak: i confirmed that you are ok to be owner
[02:16] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:17] <gnomefreak> who else was gonna be admin?
[02:19] <gnomefreak> asac: your now admin, there was someone else but cant think of who
[02:21] <asac> ok
[02:21] <asac> i think its enough to have two admins for now
[02:22] <gnomefreak> k
[02:22] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:22] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird
[02:22] <ubotu> Package sunbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:22] <gnomefreak> info sunbird gutsy
[02:23] <gnomefreak> !info sunbird gutsy
[02:23] <ubotu> sunbird: Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 7506 kB, installed size 22304 kB
[02:23] <gnomefreak> wtf
[02:25] <gnomefreak> there added sunbird to page
[02:25] <gnomefreak> should we add nss and nspr as supported packages by mozillateam?
[02:32] <asac> yes
[02:32] <asac> xulrunner-1.9 + firefox-3.0 as well
[02:32] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[02:33] <gnomefreak> leave granparadiso there?
[02:33] <asac> no ... remove
[02:34] <asac> its superseeded ;)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:34] <gnomefreak> remove xulrunner 1.8 as well
[02:35] <asac> yes, i think thats sane
[02:35] <asac> though its still in use
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:35] <asac> so maybe keep it until after gutsy
[02:35] <gnomefreak> ok ill just add 1.9
[02:37] <asac> thanks
[02:37] <gnomefreak> no
[02:37] <gnomefreak> np
[02:40] <gnomefreak> ill be back i need to do some work on windows
[02:41] <gnomefreak> oh crap ill add nss and nspr later.
[02:46] <bluekuja> heya all
[02:46] <bluekuja> mr. gnomefreak, mr. asac
[02:48] <bluekuja> everything fine there?
[02:52] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: heya mr. gnomefreak
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> hey ;)
[02:52] <bluekuja> everything fine?
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> windows pc nick
[02:52] <bluekuja> oh :D
[02:52] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, everything good for now
[02:52] <bluekuja> great to hear
[02:53] <bluekuja> :)
[02:53] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: any news?
[02:53] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, you here most of the day?
[02:53] <bluekuja> yeah, I guess so
[02:54] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, yes its all set i will set it up when i get back downstairs, windows == work and coffee
[02:54] <bluekuja> oh :)
[02:54] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: need me to do something later?
[02:54] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, i dont think so, i have a bunch to do i think
[02:55] <bluekuja> oki
[02:55] <bluekuja> why you asked if I'll be here most of the day?
[02:55] <bluekuja> thought you needed some help
[02:55] <bluekuja> for something
[02:55] <bluekuja> :)
[02:57] <ThunderStruck> just in case. im gonna get to ML later if i get that far i might need input
[02:58] <bluekuja> yeah, I'm here then
[02:58] <bluekuja> just ask if you need any information
[03:00] <bluekuja> I'm searching a new router to buy, wireless and cable
[03:01] <bluekuja> browsing some pages to find out what is out atm
[03:04] <ThunderStruck> ive  had bad times with d-link wireless routers. i love my motorola wifi router :)
[03:08] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: dlink is bad?
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, i havent had a good experince with it. my aunt got one and i had to reset ip range every day
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> thats why when i was in PA i would get disconnected so often
[03:09] <bluekuja> oh damn
[03:09] <ThunderStruck> but it might just be me
[03:10] <ThunderStruck> windows it works great
[03:10] <bluekuja> I guess I'll buy NETGEAR DG834G
[03:10] <bluekuja> check google for it
[03:10] <ThunderStruck> netgear is nice. just when using it with irc use port 8001
[03:11] <bluekuja> why?
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> netgear and dlink iirc both have the exploit issue in IRC
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, the dcc send <16 chars>
[03:11] <ThunderStruck> !dcc
[03:11] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[03:12] <bluekuja> oh :/
[03:12] <ThunderStruck> that should give you what routers and firmware are effecfted
[03:12] <bluekuja> thanks for pointing me to that
[03:13] <bluekuja> I just want a router that gets online
[03:13] <bluekuja> and I can connect
[03:13] <bluekuja> cable/wireless at the same time
[03:13] <bluekuja> without disconnecting
[03:13] <bluekuja> one pc and connecting another
[03:13] <ThunderStruck> brb have to restart xchat to install python
[03:13] <bluekuja> in fact I cant have more than one active connection at home
[03:13] <bluekuja> k
[03:17] <asac> hello
[03:18] <bluekuja> heya asac
[03:18] <bluekuja> asac: went to bed yesterday at the end? :)
[03:18] <asac> more or less :) ... returned at 2am for a few minutes
[03:18] <bluekuja> oh :D
[03:19] <bluekuja> I was sleeping then^^
[03:19] <bluekuja> asac: still busy like yesterday?
[03:20] <asac> more or less ... but things look better ... i hope i can do my AM job tonight ... depending on whether i drink a beer after sport
[03:20] <bluekuja> hehee
[03:20] <asac> otherwise tomorrow - unless some serious issues pop up
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: which sport?
[03:21] <asac> more important than your advocacy is to send in my AM report for my NM student ... he waits for 2 month now i guess
[03:21] <bluekuja> oh 2 months, that's a lot
[03:21] <asac> which i feel _really_ ashamed about
[03:22] <asac> well ... he had multiple month latency in the mids of his application ... so i don't feel that guilty
[03:22] <bluekuja> asac: that's ok then
[03:22] <bluekuja> asac: my advocacy will be done after that then?
[03:23] <bluekuja> so I can move waiting to have an AM assigned
[03:25] <bluekuja> asac: I've seen some delays on AM reports in some other apps inside the list
[03:26] <bluekuja> asac: some students of anibal
[03:26] <bluekuja> I guess
[03:27] <asac> bluekuja: there is no need to feel blocked because of this ... you can also start to help the debian qa team ... which is a good addition to your NM profile
[03:28] <asac> anyway ... I will advocate in the next moment i feel good about it
[03:28] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, I'm trying to setup a good collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian QA
[03:28] <asac> thats a good start ... mapping ubuntu bugs to existing debian bugs for instance
[03:28] <bluekuja> received a mail from luk
[03:29] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, oki. Take your time :)
[03:30] <bluekuja> :)
[03:30] <ThunderStruck> asac, testing final ISO's already?
[03:31] <bluekuja> going to study something
[03:31] <asac> ThunderStruck: i think so ... yes
[03:31] <asac> todays isos
[03:31] <ThunderStruck> ok cool maybe thursday is possivle
[03:32] <bluekuja> ThunderStruck: going to study now, be back later
[03:32] <ThunderStruck> bluekuja, k
[03:32] <bluekuja> ;)
[03:47] <ThunderStruck> hmmm
[03:53] <asac> anybody volunteers to install dapper for testing and then doing the mozilla.qa.stgraber.org tests?
[03:53] <asac> ThunderStruck: can you please blog about that?
[03:53] <asac> damn :)
[03:54] <ThunderStruck> anserv.py
[03:54] <ThunderStruck> fucj xchat
[03:58] <asac> ThunderStruck: read topic
[03:59] <asac> can you blog about the mozilla qa site ?
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> when im back on ubuntu i will
[03:59] <asac> are you on windows?
[03:59] <asac> shame
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> im waiting on a phone call for windows help from a freind
[03:59] <ThunderStruck> yep
[04:00] <asac> shame + pain :)
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> yep but shouldnt be long
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> atleast it better not be
[04:00] <ThunderStruck> brb reinstalling xchat to  see if it will load python
[04:06] <ThunderStruck> i think it was built without python support
[04:06] <ThunderStruck> that sucks
[04:12] <ThunderStruck> hot damn it worked
[04:13] <ThunderStruck> :)
[04:22] <asac> hehe
[04:23] <ThunderStruck> lomaf @ blinking nm-applet
[04:25] <ThunderStruck> lmao even
[04:37] <asac> blinking?
[04:37] <asac> i hate my bugmail backlog ... 1300 for firefox
[04:48] <ThunderStruck> asac, yes someone said thiers was
[04:49] <asac> what?
[04:52] <ThunderStruck> someone in #ubuntu+1 said thier nm-applet was blinking
[04:57] <asac> doesn't sound too scary ;)
[04:58] <ThunderStruck> not really but i found it funny blinking (maybe connection is unstable?
[05:06] <bluekuja> back
[05:25] <asac> gnomefreak: we need to add ubufox to the mozilla-bugs mailing list as well i guess
[05:33] <gnomefreak> ok ill check on it
[05:34] <gnomefreak> asac: already was
[05:35] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+subscribe
[05:37] <gnomefreak> added nss and nspr to homepage
[05:37] <gnomefreak> 3.11 and 4.6
[05:38] <gnomefreak> added nss nspr to bugmail for mozilla-bugs as well
[05:39] <gnomefreak> reset ubufox to make sure
[06:01] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: talked with steve?
[06:02] <bluekuja> did he said it's possible to have it fixed?
[06:02] <bluekuja> *say
[06:02] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: i got the teams stright for most part for time being i will add you sometime today
[06:02] <gnomefreak> the ML i have to figure out
[06:03] <bluekuja> need to send a mail to rc?
[06:03] <bluekuja> or already done?
[06:06] <gnomefreak> i might be ok for ml i have to play with it
[06:06] <gnomefreak> right now im waiting for a boarder line legal topic turn to illegal topic
[06:07] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: ah, so you get assigned to owner on ML
[06:07] <bluekuja> should be ok then
[06:21] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: may not have to but will find out
[06:21] <bluekuja> oki, let me know
[06:21] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:23] <gnomefreak> will do
[06:24] <asac> bluekuja: wanna blog about the mozilla.qa.straber QA site that now needs testers for dapper edgy feisty and gutsy ;) ?
[06:24] <asac> read topic
[06:25] <bluekuja> asac: what do you mean with "blog"?
[06:26] <bluekuja> asac: want me to add an article for the fridge?
[06:26] <gnomefreak> asac: are these firefox versions?
[06:27] <asac> bluekuja: no ... call for help in testing these beta packages
[06:27] <gnomefreak> asac: it would help if the builds were there
[06:27] <asac> bluekuja: you can use the site in the same was as the iso testing site
[06:28] <gnomefreak> We are sorry but the build you requested isn't available for download (or the website don't know how to get it).
[06:28] <gnomefreak> In most case that means that the download link has been put as notice on the main page.
[06:28] <asac> you just click on the produce you want to test and confirm that it works
[06:28] <bluekuja> asac: writing an article is a way to call for users
[06:28] <asac> bluekuja: whatever is suitable to get the masses test that dapper package :)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> problem is they are not ther eto test
[06:28] <asac> bluekuja: please take a look and see if all is clear
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: e.g. how to use that tracker et al
[06:29] <bluekuja> asac: ok. First an user have to register
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: if there is more info needed i can add that to the notice area
[06:29] <bluekuja> then test and approve if ok?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> the tracker works the packages just are not there
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: yes ... unless you have an account for iso testing already
[06:29] <bluekuja> asac: I guess adding a small howto for it would be nice
[06:29] <asac> bluekuja: yes if you click on the build you will see the testcases you can work on and verify
[06:29] <bluekuja> users are not very familiar with it
[06:30] <asac> if its fine you say so ... and we will see that someone ackknowledges that it works for it
[06:30] <gnomefreak> https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/info/1042
[06:30] <asac> bluekuja: i asked stgraber about if there is a short howto for the tracker
[06:31] <bluekuja> asac: perfect, every istruction is appreciated so I can write a full article
[06:31] <bluekuja> everything should be clear
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: sure ... we need to get these packages tested till thu ;)
[06:31] <bluekuja> asac: so two days?
[06:31] <bluekuja> mmm...
[06:31] <asac> bluekuja: well they are out there for a day already ... its important to get more testers on every release
[06:32] <asac> if we get a few this time it would be all fine
[06:32] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:32] <asac> this update is not a high-risk one imo ... but next one probably will
[06:32] <gnomefreak> hmmm has to be done through repo i guess
[06:32] <asac> especially dapper users are NEEDED
[06:32] <bluekuja> asac: that's harder
[06:32] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a left over from iso testing
[06:32] <gnomefreak> dapper chroot ok?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:32] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... thats ok as well
[06:32] <gnomefreak> k
[06:32] <asac> at best if you are a regular user
[06:32] <asac> but chroot or virtual box install is fine
[06:33] <bluekuja> asac: I finish writing something and then I try to catch up on it
[06:33] <bluekuja> let me know about istructions et all
[06:33] <asac> bluekuja: a call to setup a dapper chroot might be worth itt
[06:33] <asac> bluekuja: yes
[06:33] <asac> thanks ... waiting for reply by the author
[06:33] <bluekuja> asac: then I move to write the article
[06:34] <gnomefreak> ok testing gutsy atm
[06:34] <asac> bluekuja: thanks ... it doesn't need to be poetry ... just get the news out to as many people as possible
[06:34] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm repo isnt working?
[06:34] <asac> lots of people usually don't know how to contribute ... this is their chance ;) ... its just a few minutes and helps a lot to raise the quality of stable ubuntu releases
[06:34] <asac> gnomefreak: which one?
[06:34] <gnomefreak> gutys
[06:34] <bluekuja> asac: true :)
[06:34] <gnomefreak> gutsy
[06:35] <asac> gnomefreak: gutsy doesn't have a package yet
[06:35] <asac> only dapper/feisty/edgy for this release
[06:35] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:36] <gnomefreak> ok starting with dapper
[06:36] <asac> i just finished the first 350 bugmails for mt in my mailbox :)
[06:38] <gnomefreak> well on dapper it wont upgrade firefox
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ooops
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ok what is this https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/result/1042/210 for
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ah ok i guess i go to each section instead of the listing page
[06:40] <asac> gnomefreak: that should be a link
[06:41] <asac> e.g. the testplan
[06:47] <gnomefreak> not bad so far test 1 passed just one thing missing but not a showstopper
[06:47] <gnomefreak> left comment
[06:56] <gnomefreak> in the 3rd link one for testplan from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QA is that where you want the test case that i used?
[06:57] <gnomefreak> damn
[06:57] <gnomefreak> https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/result/1042/210  even
[07:01] <asac> bluekuja: ok we don't have up to date docs ... its pretty simple: 1. get an account 2. click on the distribution you want to test (dapper/edgy/firefox) and fill out the form after you did the tests
[07:01] <asac> after adding the lines to source.list you need to apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:01] <asac> or run synaptic or whatever
[07:01] <bluekuja> asac: perfect
[07:01] <bluekuja> I finish writing a policy
[07:02] <gnomefreak> asac: thats not what i meant
[07:02] <asac> thanks
[07:02] <bluekuja> for the italian repository
[07:02] <gnomefreak> i had a account
[07:02] <bluekuja> and I move to that
[07:02] <bluekuja> then I ping you when done
[07:02] <bluekuja> so you can check every detail
[07:02] <bluekuja> then I move it to the fridge
[07:02] <bluekuja> asac: k=
[07:02] <bluekuja> ?
[07:02] <asac> bluekuja: i will be to sport soon ... as you know :)
[07:02] <gnomefreak> if you look at https://mozilla.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/test/1042 the 3rd link what test it that for
[07:02] <bluekuja> damn
[07:02] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats the test case you should do
[07:02] <bluekuja> asac: when you'll be back?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> k
[07:03] <asac> the first two tests are just "normal" use ... the third lists specific tasks that would catch issues we had in the past
[07:03] <asac> bluekuja: probably late.
[07:03] <bluekuja> darn
[07:03] <asac> bluekuja: what info do you need?
[07:03] <bluekuja> asac: I just need you to give a last check
[07:04] <bluekuja> to final text
[07:04] <asac> bluekuja: i trust you :) ... its more like communicating that the site exists and that they can get to #ubuntu-mozillateam or #ubuntu-testing if they need guidance
[07:04] <bluekuja> fine
[07:05] <asac> bluekuja: if you want to give initial guidance give the 3 points i mentioned above to get started
[07:05] <bluekuja> ok
[07:05] <asac> bluekuja: maybe try it yourself :) ... you can create an account and can click through ... you don't need to submit if you don't want to submit a not-done test :)
[08:17] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) buttons: /whois gnomefreak
[08:18] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) buttons: you should see all channels
[08:18] (buttons/#ubuntu-mozillateam) i do
[08:18] (gnomefreak/#ubuntu-mozillateam) yay it works :)
[08:18] (bluekuja/#ubuntu-mozillateam) gnomefreak: done
[08:18] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: I paste it for you
[08:19] <gnomefreak> where?
[08:19] <bluekuja> pastebin
[08:19] <gnomefreak> can i have the link?
[08:19] <bluekuja> darn
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ok gone for a while.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> be back later when my troll starts his shit
[08:22] <bluekuja> lol
[08:22] <bluekuja> ok
[08:26] <Ubulette> asac ?
[08:26] <Ubulette> about bug 151400
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151400 in xulrunner-1.9 "xpcshell missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151400
[08:26] <Ubulette> xpcshell is explicitly excluded
[08:26] <Ubulette> http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xulrunner/installer/Makefile.in#47
[08:51] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 289494
[08:51] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289494 in XULRunner "Make xulrunner work with toolkit packager" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289494
[10:27] <bluekuja> gnomefreak: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[10:27] <bluekuja> check latest story
[10:27] <bluekuja> going to have a bath
[10:53] <asac> Ubulette: the forum guy has a messed up install ... probably not using pristine ubuntu packages -> /usr/local/bin...
[10:54] <asac> Ubulette: what do you want me to fix before 2008?
[10:54] <asac> bluekuja: that looks great ... lets see what response we get
[10:54] <Ubulette> just that but maybe it's already in
[10:55] <asac> Ubulette: upstream products still have those issues i guess
[10:55] <asac> i reminded them multiple times ... i will try again the next time i get reminded that this bug still exists :)
[10:56] <Ubulette> by 2008, I meant 2.0.0.8 ;)
[10:56] <asac> ah :) ... well we have that fix
[10:56] <asac> i am not even sure that his issue is the recursuve link issue
[10:56] <Ubulette> it looked similar to me
[10:56] <asac> for me it looks like he has messed up something else
[10:57] <Ubulette> maybe
[10:57] <Ubulette> so, what do you think about bug 151400
[10:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151400 in xulrunner-1.9 "xpcshell missing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/151400
[10:57] <asac> Ubulette: do you know chpe?
[10:58] <Ubulette> no
[10:58] <asac> Ubulette: he is the (nowadays main) epiphany/gecko developer ... i asked him to test our xulrunner package and report issues he has
[10:58] <Ubulette> oh
[10:58] <asac> i am not sure what use-case he has for xpcshell ... however i think it should be shipped somewhere
[10:59] <asac> i would guess it should be in xulrunner-1.9-dev ... unless we want to add a new package called xulrunner-1.9-tools
[11:00] <asac> anyway, all this with a grain of salt, because i don't know why xpcshell is not installed in xulrunner anymore
[11:00] <asac> maybe its a bug and ment to go to the sdk hierarchy
[11:00] <asac> but maybe its intentional
 xpcshell is explicitly excluded
 http://mxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xulrunner/installer/Makefile.in#47
[11:00] <Ubulette> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289494#c2
[11:00] <asac> yes i saw that ... its explicitly exlcuded in the installer code
[11:00] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 289494 in XULRunner "Make xulrunner work with toolkit packager" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[11:01] <asac> however it probably wasn't excluded in install: target
[11:01] <asac> so maybe it has just been forgotten upstream
[11:01] <asac> huh?
[11:01] <asac> mozilla bug 289494
[11:01] <asac> is ubotu dead?
[11:01] <Ubulette> read comment 2
[11:04] <asac> asked bsmedberg ... lets see what he replies
[11:07] <bluekuja> asac: back
[11:07] <bluekuja> :)
[11:07] <bluekuja> did you like it?
[11:08] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:08] <asac> you should be marketing head of the MT :)
[11:09] <bluekuja> lol
[11:09] <bluekuja> :D
[11:09] <bluekuja> asac: did you see my interview?
[11:09] <asac> not yet :)
[11:09] <Ubulette> i did
[11:09] <asac> Ubulette: ok does it work?
[11:09] <bluekuja> Ubulette: does it look good? :)
[11:09] <asac> e.g. just removing it from NO_PKG_FILES ?
[11:09] <Ubulette> bluekuja, nice :)
[11:10] <bluekuja> asac: you can see it on http://planet.ubuntu.com or http://behindmotu.wordpress.com
[11:10] <bluekuja> Ubulette: thanks :)
[11:10] <Ubulette> asac, well, haven't tried but it should
[11:10] <asac> Ubulette: ok he wants the patch ... and thinks it should go to the _runtime_ package
[11:10] <asac> (not -dev)
[11:11] <Ubulette> ok, I'll do it then
[11:11] <asac> Ubulette: maybe drop a line and tell chpe about the ppa ... as we will only update xulrunner on new alpha/beta releases in gutsy
[11:12] <asac> (once it works)
[11:13] <Ubulette> well, i've used my ppa for a while as you wanted to keep mt one close to a8
[11:13] <Ubulette> my ppa has the new nss
[11:14] <asac> Ubulette: well ... i am not sure ... i would prefer if ppa doesn't drift too far away from the packaging point of view from what we have in gutsy
[11:14] <asac> (i think)
[11:14] <asac> Ubulette: what packaging things are changed on .dev branch since release?
[11:14] <Ubulette> just read bzr logs ;)
[11:15] <Ubulette> i've pushed everything
[11:15] <asac> Ubulette: i read bzr logs ... but i don't remember every tiny detail
[11:15] <asac> but let me look
[11:16] <Ubulette> nss.head and xul.dev should be enough
[11:16] <asac> hmm ... you didn't merge revision 50 ;)
[11:16] <Ubulette> ?
[11:17] <asac> do you have the uploaded  1.9~a8-0ubuntu2 changelog in your history?
[11:17] <asac> thats what i closed in revision 50 on the xulrunner-1.9 branch
[11:17] <asac> oh wait :)
[11:17] <asac> confusion
[11:19] <Ubulette> you committed a9, I merged it in 49 with the rest and fixed it in 50
[11:20] <Ubulette> forum users are complaining about java not working in a8
[11:20] <asac> oh ... maybe say in the commit comment that its a MERGE
[11:20] <asac> launchpad web interface isn't that great
[11:20] <asac> oh that was me?
[11:20] <asac> 49 is a merge?
[11:21] <bluekuja> going to sleep
[11:21] <bluekuja> take care everyone
[11:21] <bluekuja> :)
[11:21] <asac> u2
[11:21] <Ubulette> hmm, no. I think it's yours
[11:22] <asac> Ubulette: ok 47 was the merge
[11:22] <asac> ok fine now let me look :)
[11:25] <asac> hmmm ... why do we strip the tests out of xul orig tarballs? i think they should be shipped. e.g. xulrunner as upstream declares MINUS files that are bad/non-free/binary ... firefox is different in that it somehow has to be tackled upstream at some point.
[11:26] <Ubulette> more than half the tests are either non linux or binaries
[11:26] <asac> what kind of binaries?
[11:26] <Ubulette> so the easiest way what to drop everything, especially as we don't build them (--disable-tests)
[11:27] <asac> anyway ... stripping sources for non linux is not nice ... we should strip tarballs as close to what upstream would ship.
[11:27] <asac> s/strip/ship/
[11:27] <Ubulette> and it makes the tarball 30% smaller
[11:27] <Ubulette> it's cvs, they don't ship it
[11:28] <Ubulette> you can keep the full stuff for releases if you want
[11:28] <asac> Ubulette: but they will ... its their intend to include tests ... same for firefox
[11:29] <asac> ok ... we can do that
[11:29] <asac> at least for now ... or until someone complains :)
[11:30] <Ubulette> yep
[11:31] <asac> i would like the patch to go away then at some point :)
[11:31] <Ubulette> which one ?
[11:31] <Ubulette> plenty should go upstream
[11:31] <asac> the ifdef ENABLE_TEST patch
[11:32] <Ubulette> that should go upstream
[11:32] <asac> yes
[11:35] <Ubulette> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-10-16/sharing-mercurial-queues-to-develop-xpcomgc/
[11:35] <asac> ok we have:
[11:35] <asac>   bz384304
[11:35] <asac>  -> is send upstream
[11:35] <asac>    bz386610 -> send as well (python) the above is symlink
[11:36] <asac> so all bz are on track i guess
[11:36] <asac> what about  dont_install_so_in_dev.patch
[11:36] <asac> is that a hack?
[11:37] <Ubulette> i'd say a fix
[11:37] <asac> suitable for windows et al?
[11:37] <Ubulette> otherwise you end up with duplicates
[11:37] <asac> (well doesn't look like this whole code is suitable for that)
[11:38] <asac> question is if upstream wants to ship sdk alone at some point
[11:38] <asac> but that is already impossible because of the lines below, right?
[11:38] <Ubulette> i've just exluded .so for the tar and made 2 symlinks instead
[11:38] <Ubulette> yep, ln -s is everywhere
[11:39] <asac> ok so this should go upstream
[11:39] <asac>  install_pkgconfig_files_with_version.patch .. hmm
[11:39] <Ubulette> that's ours
[11:40] <Ubulette> otherwise, we'll have to do alternatives
[11:40] <asac> Ubulette: or maybe just "conflicts" of the -dev packages
[11:41] <asac> i have no idea if upstream wants to shift to readable extension ids
[11:41] <asac> i think its sane given you can have your own namespace using a @domain
[11:41] <asac> e.g. for  rename_venkman_addon.patch
[11:41] <asac> so we should suggest that as well i guess
[11:42] <asac> for installer_use_stdout_for_missing_files.patch i am not sure as well ... maybe they think its good to identify a build failure by counting lines of stderr ;(
[11:42] <asac> what other benefit might this have?
[11:43] <Ubulette> in logs, it proved useful to me
[11:43] <Ubulette> build logs
[11:43] <asac> what is useful for you? to split error messages to stderr ... or to log all on stdout?
[11:44] <Ubulette> installer_use_stdout_for_missing_files.patch
[11:44] <asac> yes ... i see its useful
[11:44] <asac> i just want to figure if it might be bad as well :) ... thinking about a valid use case to log errors to stderr
[11:44] <asac> but i think there is none that makes sense
[11:45] <asac> so  we should send it up as well
[11:46] <Ubulette> feel free :)
[12:01] <Ubulette> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=577818
[12:07] <asac> i hate these kind of bugs
[12:08] <Ubulette> if you open mozbugs, give me the number so I can rename our patches in .dev
[12:08] <asac> i will do that in same turn i guess
[12:09] <Ubulette> i(ve made the xpcshell patch, building
[12:09] <asac> great
[12:09] <asac> i have the feeling that 2.0.0.8 will be released tomorrow ... without advisories
[12:10] <asac> i think this will shorten my live by yet another 6 month
[12:10] <Ubulette> ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> asac: bluekuja post to planet was sent
[12:11] <gnomefreak> atleast to my blog but planet should have it soon
[12:12] <asac> Ubulette: we (distributors) need some ahead time ... and need advisories to document and QA our builds
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they just release ... even without announcement
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they do it well
[12:12] <asac> sometimes they just release without advisories ;)
[12:13] <asac> its the mix that makes this painful :)
[12:13] <asac> you hope ... hope more ... then fall down ;)
[12:13] <Ubulette> well, i was aware of 2008 and 2007 even without notices
[12:14] <asac> being aware and knowing what goes in is not the same ;)
[12:15] <Ubulette> i haven't look deeper as i'm not interested by ff2
[12:15] <asac> Ubulette: then try to do the same: track security issues on ffox 3 branch :)
[12:16] <asac> you read every commit anyway :) ... so it shouldn't be that hard ;)
[12:16] <Ubulette> hopefully, as it's trunk, it should be fixed there 1st or immediately after
[12:17] <asac> yeah ... hopefully
[01:13] <Ubulette> ok, by default, it goes into /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a9pre/xpcshell
[01:14] <Ubulette> if I link it in /usr/bin, we need an alternative
[01:15] <asac> does xul 1.8 ship that in usr/bin?