[15:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113626 in launchpad "pending-reviews should run and display the output of make lint" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113626
[15:08] <botbotdingzip> hi, Im an uber newby.. I have to learn this thing for university. how does this cvs thingy work
[15:09] <barry> botbotdingzip: hi, there's a launchpad reviewers meeting going on, so apologies if we're less responsive for a bit.  the meeting will be done in about 42 minutes.
[15:09] <botbotdingzip> sorry
[15:09] <intellectronica> botbotdingzip: if you want to learn cvs itself, then this isn't really the place. if you want to learn how it works with LP we can find someone to help you as soon as we finish this meeting
[15:09] <botbotdingzip> thx
[15:10] <barry> we have a couple of things on the plate for the pending-review script.  does someone want to take ownership of it, get it into our tree somewhere, and do some enhancements of it?
[15:10]  * barry like the mythical lp hacker who has copious amounts of free time?
[15:10] <sinzui> time is an illusion
[15:11] <statik_> is this the script jamesh has been running?
[15:11] <barry> statik_: yep
[15:11] <barry> afaik, it's just sitting on devpad in ~jamesh
[15:12] <barry> i propose to remove this action item.  i don't think mentioning it here every week will help get the bug addressed.
[15:12] <statik_> i propose tha jamesh put it in the tree, mthaddon takes care of making it run, then i willvolunteer to help with enhancements
[15:12] <barry> statik_: that sounds good to me.  i'll ask jamesh to check it in somewhere
[15:13] <barry> statik_: shall i assign this bug to you? :)
[15:13] <statik_> sure
[15:13] <barry> statik_: you rock
[15:13] <barry>  * barry will coordinate with kiko for ''reviewer's sprint'' at all-hands
[15:48] <BjornT> mwhudson: why can't you do that with comments?
[15:48] <mwhudson> BjornT: you can, i guess
[15:48] <mwhudson> i tend to think of comments as lower level
[15:49]  * barry prefers doctests anyway
[15:49]  * BjornT too :)
[15:49] <mwhudson> perhaps a meeting isn't the place to hash this out
[15:49] <intellectronica> all of that seems not to answer the question, really
[15:50] <BjornT> mwhudson: that could be true. but in that case, i think the docstring should be properly formatted according to PEP-257
[15:50] <barry> we're almost 5 minutes over.  mwhudson... yes thanks. can you move this to the mailing list?
[15:50] <barry> BjornT: yes, agreed.  if there /is/ a docstring, it should be consistent with all our other docstring conventions
[15:51] <barry> i hate to cut this short.  but i will. :)
[15:51] <mwhudson> well, i think you're wrong, but --> mailing list
[15:51] <mwhudson> :)
[15:51] <barry> unless there is nothing else...
[15:51] <barry> 5
[15:51] <barry> 4
[15:51] <barry> 3
[15:51] <barry> 2
[15:51] <barry> 1
[15:51] <test___> hi
[15:51] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[15:51]  * flacoste goes back to reviews
[15:51] <barry> apologies once again for going long.  that's two weeks in a row :(
[15:52] <test___> barry pvt sg plz
[15:52] <test___> private message please one question
[15:53] <intellectronica> botbotdingzip: so, what is it you needed help with?
[15:53] <test___> how do get kubuntu dvd?
[15:55] <salgado> test___, http://shipit.kubuntu.org
[15:55] <test___> why any many it send me?
[16:01] <spiv> barry: Btw, I don't like doctests much.
[16:01] <spiv> barry: I have some blog posts drafted about that, I'll be sure to give you links when I get around to polishing them and publishing them :)
[16:01] <barry> spiv: i don't like doctests in docstrings much, but i've come to really like separate file doctests.
[16:02] <barry> spiv: please do!  i've come 180 degrees on this :)
[16:03] <spiv> It's largely because the "long narrative" style of tests is deficient in many respects.  But if I say anymore I'll just start rewriting my blog posts badly, so for more elaboration on my thoughts you'll just have to be patient :)
[16:04] <barry> spiv: cool :)
[16:04] <spiv> (I will say I don't think doctest files are always bad, for some purposes they are good, but not as often as people seem to use them.  I definitely don't think they should be a default format for writing tests, and it's that point I want to convince people of.)
[16:05] <barry> spiv: i've actually come to think the opposite.  i think a well written doctest file with good narratives can usually (but agreed, not always!) be quite thorough and still serve the primary purpose of good documentation.
[16:05] <barry> spiv: maybe a good discussion to have over beers at all hands :)
[16:06] <spiv> barry: Oh, one other thing I should clarify about my opinion:
[16:06] <spiv> barry: I'm talking about doctests for *tests*, not so much about doctests for documentation.
[16:08] <spiv> And most of the time good tests != good documentation, and that's not because of the format they are written in, but inherent in their conflicting goals.
[16:08] <spiv> (and "testable documentation" is good, but not the same as "tests")
[16:08]  * spiv -> bed
[16:09] <barry> spiv: yes, i think this would be a fun discussion to continue!
[19:03] <Schnitz_> is a moderator of the launchpad-beta-testers team here? i'd like to be accepted for membership because i need/want to use ppa for  uploading some packages for needs-packaging bugs i think i've fixed
[19:04] <matsubara> mrevell: ^
[19:05] <mrevell> thanks matsubara
[19:05] <mrevell> Hi Schnitz_
[19:05] <mrevell> Schnitz_: I look after that team. What's your LP username?
[19:06] <mrevell> don't worry, I've found you. Just a moment and I'll approve your membership.
[19:07] <mrevell> Schnitz_: Okay, you're in! Welcome to the beta team :)
[19:13] <Schnitz_> mrevell: thank you, ubuntu dev people are really more friendly than others!!!
[19:14] <mrevell> Schnitz: It's my pleasure!
[19:46] <evarlast> Schnitz: isn't PPA awesome?
[20:16] <Schnitz> evarlast: yeah ppa is great
[20:43] <thumper> morning
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #153721 in launchpad "+packages contains invalid links [to ppas?]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153721
[21:09] <kiko> dupe
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #153725 in launchpad "regression: packages page doesn't show only contributions to ubntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153725
[21:27] <kiko> dupe
[21:27] <kiko> cprov, what are the above bugs dupes of?
[21:27] <kiko> (or matsubara)
[21:27] <matsubara> kiko: the first one is duped already (bug 115078)
[21:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115078 in soyuz "Broken link in /people/me/+packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115078
[21:28] <cprov> kiko: bug 135669 ?
[21:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135669 in soyuz "PPA uploads are showing up on lp.net/~user/+packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135669 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[21:28] <kiko> yeah.
[21:29] <kiko> the latter one is a dupe of that
[21:29] <matsubara> duped
[21:29] <matsubara> thanks cprov 
[21:29] <cprov> matsubara: np
[21:31] <sistpoty> hi, I just reported bug #153725 and before bug #153721 (and then a light bulb burned and my fuse went out), could you please set the priority of the former appropriately, as it hinders my work as MOTU council member?
[21:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153725 in launchpad "regression: packages page doesn't show only contributions to ubntu (dup-of: 135669)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153725
[21:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153721 in launchpad "+packages contains invalid links [to ppas?] (dup-of: 115078)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153721
[21:33] <sistpoty> oh, thanks for marking the latter as duplicate, didn't stumble on it when searching for "packages"
[21:44] <sistpoty> thanks (and sorry that I didn't find the dupes) :)
[21:50] <ScottK> sistpoty: You could always file a bug against LP's duplicate finding function.
[21:51] <sistpoty> ScottK: I could, but could I find dupes when doing so? ;)
[22:07] <geser> does the "Launchpad Janitor" still expire duplicate bugs? see the last comment on bug #129553
[22:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129553 in wide-dhcpv6 "Please sync wide-dhcpv6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (dup-of: 129216)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129553
[22:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129216 in wide-dhcpv6 "[Sync request] Sync wide-dhcpv6 (20070507-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129216
[22:12] <ScottK> geser: When I asked yesterday I was told it had accidentally been left on, but was off as of yesterday.  Are those new ones?
[22:13] <geser> from 2007-10-13
[22:13] <geser> I'm catching up my mails
[22:14] <kiko> ScottK, btw, I did some research on pyspf, and have some results, and something for you to read, but it might have to be later as I am about to dive into a phone call
[22:14] <ScottK> kiko: I'll be here for ~ 30 min and then gone for some time.
[23:18] <jelmer> the beta seems to be like russian roulette atm - known problem?
[23:22] <kiko> jelmer, the beta? do you mean edge.launchpad.net?
[23:22] <kiko> if so, yes
[23:22] <kiko> we're having problems with the DC machines
[23:23] <jelmer> ah, k - thanks
[23:25] <superm1> has bzr died again?
[23:25] <superm1> last i checked my public key hasn't changed, but i'm still gettingPermission denied (publickey).
[23:25] <superm1> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AssertionError: end of file reading from server.
[23:28] <pochu> kiko: have you updated this page? I was going to do it, but it's already there.
[23:28] <kiko> pochu, which page?
[23:29] <kiko> superm1, we had a server hiccup. can you try again?
[23:29] <superm1> sure
[23:29] <pochu> kiko: oops, this one: https://edge.launchpad.net/emesene/trunk
[23:29] <superm1> kiko, same thing is still happening, and if i try sftp:// instead, bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[23:29] <ajmitch> kiko: I guess this is affecting wiki auth as well
[23:29] <kiko> pochu, I can't remember. maybe I did.
[23:29] <kiko> ajmitch, yes.
[23:30] <ajmitch> oh well
[23:30] <pochu> kiko: ok. anyway thats fine :)
[23:31] <kiko> ajmitch, superm1: working on it.
[23:31] <kiko> pochu, I've got only half a head right now!
[23:31] <superm1> okay thanks kiko :)
[23:32] <mthaddon> superm1, can you retry now?
[23:32] <superm1> mthaddon, this time around it denied the public key again
[23:32] <superm1> eof from server still
[23:33] <ajmitch> kiko: great, thanks
[23:34] <mthaddon> superm1, sorry, authserver also was down - please try now
[23:35] <superm1> mthaddon, looking more promising.  yup
[23:35] <superm1> works 
[23:35] <superm1> thanks :)
[23:35] <mthaddon> superm1, sorry for the inconvenience
[23:37] <kiko> heh