[15:08] <TheRepacker> RC is now, haven't been that many  changes this week get it, avoid the rush
[15:09] <zetheroo> I am waiting for Ubuntu to notify me of the upgrade
[15:09] <zetheroo> what do ya rekon ?
[15:09] <frostburn> is there a way to use a mouse gesture to do Move to Corners?
[15:09] <TheRepacker> 24 hrs
[15:09] <zetheroo> will it take long for that to happen?
[15:10] <zetheroo> so not on the 18th?
[15:10] <TheRepacker> some people alreay have by sysnoptic
[15:10] <zetheroo> maybe the 19th?
[15:10] <zetheroo> really?
[15:11] <TheRepacker> I haven't had any updates for over a day, so I'm 7.10
[15:12] <zetheroo> so your upgraded?
[15:12] <bardyr> how come Apache2 is only listen to tcp6?
[15:12] <TheRepacker> I been running it since tribe 2, with updating I'm current, been very stable
[15:12] <bardyr> ipv6*
[15:13] <zetheroo> wonderful
[15:48] <Ximal> well slart : it rocks .. thanks guys for the chkrootkit and rkhunter .. they're nice
[15:48] <Creationist> AlienX_: I installed the official drivers, remember?  nvidia-xconfig now just makes use of those instead... then I can't start X at all.
[15:49] <TheRepacker> Creationist: right, becareful, the system tries to install the 100.14.19 driver, it has a know regressive bug on 6XXX and 7XXX cards
[15:49] <Ximal> any antivirus progs anyone knows about ?
[15:50] <AlienX_> Ximal: read what people responded to you earlier...
[15:50] <tech0007> can i encrypt my hard drive even though i did an upgrade not a clean install?
[15:50] <Creationist> AlienX_: Alright, well I install nvidia-glx and ran nvidia-xconfig.  Gonna restart X and see how it goes.
[15:50] <Ximal> anyone have sophos ? antivirus page ? url ?
[15:50] <AlienX_> Ximal: i've used sophos but I don't run AV on any of my linux boxes
[15:51] <Creationist> Okay, that killed my X server too.
[15:51] <AlienX_> Creationist: is there a specific error that the xserver is throwing out?
[15:51] <Ximal> why not alienx_
[15:52] <Creationist> Yeah, hang on... lemme check real quick.
[15:52] <TheRepacker> Creationist: it is probably saying glx was not loaded
[15:52] <AlienX_> Ximal: no reason to. I periodically check for rootkits but beyond that, I've never had any reason to run an AV app
[15:52] <Ximal> and why don't you do /msg nickserv ghost alienx password
[15:52] <Ximal> oh.. I'm just doing it because I don't wanna take the chance ..
[15:52] <AlienX_> Ximal: because alienx is my box at home
[15:52] <Slart> I'm having some trouble starting gnome on my newly upgraded ubuntu box.. seems the failsafe xorg.conf doesn't work with my nvidia 8800.. known problem? workarounds?
[15:53] <Creationist> TheRepacker: Yeah, I remember it was something like that.
[15:53] <tech0007>  can i encrypt my hard drive even though i did an upgrade not a clean install?
[15:53] <AlienX_> Ximal: you're likely not to get any kind of virus unless you're being incredibly careless
[15:53] <Ximal> aye alien ..
[15:53] <Ximal> I'm just trying to be safe..
[15:53] <Ximal> but you are right..
[15:53] <TheRepacker> Creationist: I had to re-install the kernels
[15:53] <Ximal> i guess the clamshell one on add remove is ok
[15:54] <AlienX_> Slart: you can run the nvidia-glx-new package IIRC
[15:54] <pro_> !upgrade
[15:54] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only
[15:54] <Creationist> TheRepacker: Well, I just reinstalled Kubuntu.  I'd hate to have to do it again... although I have ALWAYS had issues with video drivers in Linux.
[15:54] <Slart> AlienX_ : same result.. x doesn't start..  just blinks a few times
[15:55] <AlienX_> Creationist: i can't see why you'd need to reinstall
[15:55] <AlienX_> Slart: what error are you getting?
[15:55] <Slart> AlienX_, and the xorg log seems to indicate that x tries to use the xorg.conf.failsafe configuration file
[15:55] <TheRepacker> Creationist: me too!, I had a heck of a time getting this to work, I can not remeber everything I did
[15:55] <Slart> AlienX_, hang on.. I'll check again..
[15:56] <TheRepacker> and I'm in gnome
[15:56] <Creationist> AlienX_: Reason to reinstall: I'm dumb and can't fix this on my own :)
[15:56] <AlienX_> Slart: i can't  figure out why it'd try to use failsafe unless you're booting into failsafe
[15:56] <Creationist> I don't suppose someone would want to ssh into me and fix it for me, would they?
[15:56] <mcquaid> hello, I installed rc1 for a friend who already had xp installed using the desktop cd.  His entire drive was ntfs which I resized with the installer and proceeded to install ubuntu
[15:57] <Slart> AlienX_, nope.. booting just the same as always.. I'll check grub so nothing has changed there
[15:57] <AlienX_> Creationist: i think there might be an nvidia channel on here....i know there is a nvidia linux forum that might be able to help as well. You may want to check the ubuntu forum first though
[15:57] <mcquaid> and everything went fine, but when I booted ubuntu for the first time and I needed to check something in gparted, I was surprised to see that gparted by default did not have any ntfs support besides detect
[15:58] <Slart> AlienX_, the error is "(EE) No devices detected" and before that "(WW) VESA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:0) found"
[15:58] <mcquaid> i noticed this as he wanted to do some further partitioning on another drive and wanted me to make it half ntfs/ext3 but gparted reported detect only
[15:58] <mcquaid> i installed ntfs-progs and then gparted reported i could do anything regarding ntfs
[15:58] <AlienX_> Slart: which driver is xorg trying to use? in your xorg.conf
[15:59] <mcquaid> so my question is, how was it able to resize his existing ntfs partition with the live cd?
[15:59] <Creationist> Okay, since I'm stuck with a CLI, is there an alternative to using vi? lol
[15:59] <mcquaid> or does the live cd have ntfs-progs on it?
[15:59] <Slart> AlienX_, my xorg.conf is using the nvidia driver (nvidia), but the xorg.conf.failsafe is using some vesa stuff
[15:59] <Ximal> mcquaid : live cd  has gparted a partitioning tool
[15:59] <Creationist> ...something useable for an old DOS junkie like me?
[15:59] <mcquaid> ...
[15:59] <mcquaid> did you read what I said Ximal?
[16:00] <Ximal> mcquaid : ntfs partitions can be viewed by gparted ..
[16:00] <AlienX_> Slart: out of curiosity, what would happen if you renamed the the failsafe config and copied your current xorg.conf to xorg.conf.failsafe
[16:00] <mcquaid> of course the live cd has gparted.  My point was once i first booted and installed gparted, the only support for ntfs was view
[16:00] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: nano
[16:00] <Slart> ehh.. ok.. grub had changed.., I was using an old kernel.. I guess gutsy changed some things
[16:00] <TheRepacker> failsafe was a good idea.....but......
[16:00] <centyx> TheRepacker: thanks
[16:00] <mcquaid> but yet I resized his existing ntfs with the live cd to make room for the install
[16:00] <AlienX_> mcquaid: write support  for NTFS is hit and miss at best
[16:00] <Ximal> hmm unsure ... it is like a realtime fdisk program the best way i can put it to you if u r used to windows
[16:00] <Ximal> :)
[16:01] <centyx> TheRepacker: i tried in gnome, same thing. disabled effects, disabled xgl, etc. it's locking up during other activities as well.
[16:01] <TheRepacker> centyx: working?
[16:01] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: are you dual booting vista?
[16:01] <Ximal> mcquaid gimme a moment
[16:01] <centyx> TheRepacker: nah, still locking up
[16:01] <Slart> AlienX_, hmm.. I'll give it a try..
[16:01] <Ximal> i'll have something for you
[16:01] <mcquaid> hmm... write support is just fine with ntfs-3g AlienX
[16:01] <mcquaid> but i'm not talking about read/write ntfs, I'm talking about resizing an existing partition with the live cd, which seemed to go fine
[16:01] <AlienX_> Slart: if worst comes to worst, you could try reverting to your previous kernel (unless this was a fresh install)
[16:02] <TheRepacker> centyx: try the OO forums
[16:02] <centyx> TheRepacker: will do
[16:02] <Ximal> mcquaid : www.mrbass.org and http://mrbass.org/ubcd/ are my best ways of showing you programs you can use for partitioning
[16:02] <mcquaid> i was just surprised that once booted, gparted only had ntfs detect support.  So I was kind of scratching my head thinking well how did I just resize then?
[16:02] <billybongo> any idea where my gnome Applications menu has got to - what generates that?
[16:02] <Ximal> the ultimate boot cd is a great resource and supports ntfs on some of it's things.. the ubcd is a sortof linux live boot disk that contains hardware programs in text only
[16:03] <mcquaid> well, i'm not really asking that but thanks, gparted is just fine once all the extras are all installed
[16:03] <mcquaid> nosrednaekim, i was going to install ubuntu rc for another friend today who does have vista
[16:03] <philip_> the day before release and we're still getting updates? interesting
[16:04] <Ximal> well..
[16:04] <Slart> AlienX_, booting from the correct kernel didn't help.. I'm trying the renaming thing
[16:04] <mcquaid> it's always gone fine with xp, are there any hiccups I should be aware of when trying to dual boot vista/ubuntu on the same drive?
[16:04] <Ximal> every moment counts philip_
[16:04] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: not sure how well gutsy resizes vista partitions... you may want to do it from within vista.
[16:04] <Ximal> hmm yeah
[16:04] <AlienX_> Slart: alright. I'm not convinced that'll work but it's worth a shot
[16:04] <philip_> Ximal, feisty RC turned out to be the final release...no updates for like a week
[16:04] <Slart> AlienX_, hey.. here's another error gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X Error - Restarting :0
[16:04] <mcquaid> hmm, well i did it with gutsy live cd and everything 'seemed' to go fine
[16:04] <Ximal> mcquaid : download a torrent of fossi partition magic ..
[16:05] <Ximal> and install it to vista if u don't have a partition program to use
[16:05] <Ximal> fossi's old partition program used to work well for me on xp .. should on vista
[16:05] <AlienX_> Ximal: gparted should work fine
[16:05] <mcquaid> thx for the suggestion, it's always good to know of other part tools
[16:05] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: ah..ok..good then
[16:05] <AlienX_> Slart: hmm
[16:05] <Ximal> alienx_ not if he uses vista to do the partitioning
[16:05] <mcquaid> but again, I resized with gutsy live cd and it just through me off that it didtn't actually have resize support in gparted once installed
[16:06] <Ximal> but like i said mcquaid http://mrbass.org/ubcd/ has a boot cd that will overide all you need to do for your partitioning tools
[16:06] <mcquaid> i was like 'well, how the heck did i just do it during install?!'
[16:06] <AlienX_> Ximal: oh, i don't know anything about vista
[16:06] <mcquaid> that's all i was asking
[16:06] <Ximal> it's ok bro
[16:06]  * AlienX_ hasn't used windows on a desktop in over 5 years
[16:06] <aguitel> how start compiz in gutsy?
[16:07] <AlienX_> aguitel: go to run and type "compiz --replace"
[16:07] <philip_> Alt F2, compiz --replace
[16:07] <mcquaid> AlienX, how does one switch back to gnome's window manager if they choose to?
[16:07] <aguitel> everytime you need to doing this?
[16:07] <mcquaid> compiz really needs a gui config to fall back to kwin/gnome window manager if need be
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: "metacity --replace"
[16:08] <mcquaid> ah
[16:08] <philip_> aguitel, add it to your "sessions" in Preferences
[16:08] <mcquaid> thx
[16:08] <mc44> aguitel: no you can set it up in System -> Preferences -> Apperance
[16:08] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: or for kwin..."kwin --replace"
[16:08] <mc44> philip_: much easier to use the proper gui :)
[16:08] <Ximal> alienx_ : I use virtual machine to run windows for all my dvd ripping needs etc and for programs that aren't in a stable release right now in linux :) though I find that wine works well for most of my gaming needs ;)
[16:08] <philip_> mc44, ah didn't know that existed, learned something new :)
[16:09] <AlienX_> Ximal: i use xp in a vm but I only really use it for running virtual center or oding AD stuff
[16:09] <AlienX_> s/oding/doing
[16:09] <Ximal> alienx_ furthermore i keep a windows partition just to keep things bootable for chat purposes etc for support through this channel here on irc in case i have an issue as i don't have a livecd with irc
[16:09] <Ximal> ad stuff ?
[16:09] <Ximal> coding ?
[16:09] <mcquaid> anyone here successfully dualbooted vista/ubuntu?  I don't expect any issues, but I know jack about vista and thought there might be some weird boot sector crap or something
[16:09] <AlienX_> Ximal: active directory
[16:09] <Ximal> oh ok alien
[16:09] <Ximal> mcquaid : you can set it to be in the bootlist for ubuntu ..
[16:10] <Ximal> just like any other linux distro worth it's salt
[16:10] <mcquaid> going to install it today for a friend who currently has vista and would like to avoid any hiccups
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> mcquaid: I THINK all the issues are sorted out with gutsy...
[16:10] <Ximal> it uses a grubb loader i believe
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> !vista
[16:10] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[16:10] <aguitel> philip ,i add "compiz --replace" in sessions?
[16:10] <nosrednaekim> not exactly what I wanted
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | Ximal
[16:11] <ubotu> Ximal: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[16:12] <clusty> hey
[16:12] <aguitel> nosrednaekim: iam add "compiz --replace" in sessions to start compiz every time?
[16:12] <clusty> is there a way to browse the files of my cellphone using bluetooth?
[16:13] <mc44> aguitel: you can just set it up in system->preferances->appearance->visual effects, as I said
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> aguitel: thats one way
[16:13] <Ximal> wow
[16:13] <Ximal> !vista
[16:13] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[16:13] <nosrednaekim> :0
[16:13] <Ximal> i just read what ubotu : posted .. im about to go buy a 100 pack of cd-rs and put the live cd in all the computer demos in every store in town
[16:13] <Ximal> i don't like microshaft now
[16:13] <Ximal> lol
[16:14] <rsk> Ximal: awesome idea
[16:14] <Ximal> yeah
[16:14] <Ximal> gonna go pcjacking
[16:14] <Ximal> !pcjack
[16:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcjack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:14] <aguitel> mc44 ,i make that you are saying but where is compiz manager ?
[16:14] <Ximal> err www.whylinuxisbetter.com
[16:14] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi all.  Can someone point me to the instructions for dist-upgrading to Gutsy?
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> !ot | Ximal
[16:14] <ubotu> Ximal: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[16:14] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade
[16:14] <mc44> aguitel: if you select "Normal" desktop effects there, it uses compiz
[16:14] <AlienX_> aguitel: type ccsm
[16:14] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only
[16:15] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gracias.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> compiz-fusion
[18:58] <lee986321> eh where did you get the  8,41 drivers at?
[18:58] <reddfox> Pici: Okay, thanks for your time
[18:58] <mon^rch> maybe he got er working and didnt need to... :/
[18:58] <lee986321> yeah i understand that
[18:59] <TheRepacker> he was close
[18:59] <reddfox> Pici: If you know of anybody that probably could help please direct them to me
[18:59] <TheRepacker> but it sort of leaves you hanging
[18:59] <lee986321> BluesKaj where did you get the new drivrs from?
[18:59] <BluesKaj> lee986321: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[18:59] <maff> anyone running xen and fglrx?
[18:59] <lee986321> oh ty
[18:59] <BluesKaj> np , lee986321
[19:00] <warbisshop> I got a problem with ubuntu gibbon on my Laptop
[19:00] <warbisshop> the boot time takes ages
[19:00] <warbisshop> i also dont get the loader
[19:00] <Jeruvy> does the printer auto-install work with a)networked printers, or b)SMB/CUPS shared printers?
[19:00] <warbisshop> and it works perfectly and fast with ubuntu feisty
[19:01] <lee986321> hmm will go there right after i am finished loading lol
[19:02] <lee986321> BluesKaj was that in unbuntu or kunbunt that you had the in? and was it 64 or 32 bit?
[19:03] <lee986321> and was it fiesty or gutsy?
[19:03] <BluesKaj> both feisty and gutsy , kubuntu and ubuntu work with the driver on 32 bit
[19:03] <arcil_> i have xfce installed but it does not allow me to shutdown, reboot the system via the quit button, it asks me for my password but then i get an error. i can only shutdown via sudo in the terminal
[19:05] <Pici> reddfox: You can probably ask in #ubuntu too
[19:05] <BluesKaj> lee986321:  I'm on feisty ATM , but it was working on kubuntu gutsy tribe 5 til the last update did in my xorgfile ...I should have been paying closer attn
[19:07] <lee986321> erg
[19:07] <warbisshop> anyone got an idea ?
[19:08] <DMLou> I have a quick question on multihead with the open source ati/radeon xorg driver if anyone's willing to help
[19:08] <BluesKaj> what time zone is the final release using ?  I'm on EDT here and I'm wondering if I try to DL the new release after midnight here , will it be available ?
[19:08] <reddfox> Pici: They referred me to this channel
[19:09] <Hobbsee> BluesKaj: how good is your connection?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> VG actually
[19:09] <Hobbsee> BluesKaj: can you torrent?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:09]  * Hobbsee queries, then
[19:09] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: we never know the eact time, it is always a suprise
[19:09] <Gek_> How do i configure auto login?
[19:09] <lee986321> oh wait..i have those drivers...i took the drivers and loaded them using fiesty then restarted the systyem after i had set them up..ihad everything working untill i went to change my screen resoloution....but, in kubuntu 32 bit nor in the 64 bit i couldnt find the restricted drivers
[19:10] <DMLou> My Feisty multihead config/xorg.conf (separate desktops on each display) doesn't seem to work on Gutsy unless I use a hack to use Feisty's xserver.  I had read that Gutsy uses xrandr now, but is it possible to have such a setup with xrandr?
[19:10] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: the mirror for gusty are closed waiting for sync
[19:11] <BluesKaj> I was curious since our friend responsible for canonical resides in the UK :)
[19:11] <lee986321> I made back ups of my x.org file and have the 32 bitversion befor and after the update
[19:11] <KenSentMe> Is anyone here using syncevolution on gutsy. I can't seem to get it running, compiling fails and a precompiled binary can
[19:11] <KenSentMe> Is anyone here using syncevolution on gutsy. I can't seem to get it running, compiling fails and a precompiled binary can't connect to libdataserver. (sorry for the double post)
[19:11] <lee986321> I am going to take a long hard look and compare the code between the 2 and see why it changes so much
[19:12] <TheRepacker> I've been since tribe 2 and have been updating, so I am final
[19:12] <lee986321> and why it works in the 32 bit but not the 64
[19:12] <lee986321> kubuntu rejects it all to geather
[19:12] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: and it feels good, windows never frlt this solid
[19:14] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: everything works (well with a little tweaking)
[19:14] <Gek_> How do i configure auto login?
[19:14] <DMLou> Any X gurus in here at all?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> TheRepacker:  which card ?
[19:14] <ubstud> My computer running freenx server is behind a web proxy, how can I configure the server to accept that proxy?
[19:14] <ubstud> Because of this I cannot connect to the computer from the client machine.
[19:14] <TheRepacker> nvidia 7300
[19:15] <TheRepacker> and it was a haedache
[19:15] <]]R1cK[[> COMPIZ-FUSION FTW
[19:15] <adaptr> nice shouting
[19:15] <adaptr> okay, perhaps this is a better channel for my question: has anybody seen the new Gutsy kernel bork up on partition assignments after an upgrade?
[19:15] <adaptr> is there a list of changes for the kernels ?
[19:16] <adaptr> because something sure as *** changed
[19:16] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: but once I found out the tricks, CF, fullscreen,everything is working, I though Beryl was nice,
[19:17] <]]R1cK[[> compiz-fusion is better
[19:17] <ubstud> Hello..anyone?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> I haven't got the patience for beryl or compiz-fusion on this elcheapo ati x200g  , ...I'm a bit of a geography nut, so just happy to have google earth working
[19:18] <kurisutofuaa> ^-^ One more day for the release. ^-^
[19:19] <TheRepacker> I have Earth 4.2
[19:20] <TheRepacker> working
[19:20]  * newsense07 installs google earth right now, tried running it on my old 550mhz thinkpad but it didnt go well, lol
[19:20] <ubstud> how can I get freenx to recognize the proxy that I'm behind??
[19:21] <DMLou> anyone here with any dualhead expertise?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> newsense07:  what video/graphics card ? it'll be slower eith that cpu but should still work
[19:23] <newsense07> its onboard i810 chip
[19:23] <newsense07> think it should work decent
[19:23] <newsense07> getting a bfg 7800 gt oc 256mb next week hopefully
[19:23] <BluesKaj> intels are usually quite good , newsense07
[19:24] <newsense07> this mobo has no pci slot and thats the best agp card i know of
[19:24] <newsense07> r/pci/pcie16x
[19:24] <TheRepacker> BluesKaj: I have nvidia 6150 and 7300, 3 monitors and 2 TVs, looks like the starship Enterprise here
[19:24] <soul9|9> intels suck too
[19:24] <soul9|9> actuallt X sucks
[19:24] <BluesKaj> agp should be good
[19:24] <soul9|9> actually*
[19:25] <newsense07> BluesKaj: found this comp in the trash and dont want to upgrade the mobo just for a pcie card that needs a faster processor anyways to get the full experience
[19:25] <BluesKaj> TheRepacker , wow , that sounds neat ...wish i had the room
[19:25] <TheRepacker> DMLou:  I have nvidia 6150 and 7300, 3 monitors and 2 TVs, looks like the starship Enterprise here
[19:25] <Slart> Hello, I'm running 64-bit ubuntu gutsy gibbon on an AMD64x2 6GHz with a Nvidia 8800 GTX.. I've just upgraded and glxgears feels awfully slow.. I know glxgears isn't a benchmark and all that but I get about 5000 FPS and I kind of recall getting at least 3 times that with the old ubuntu edgy.. anything in particular to check?
[19:26] <TheRepacker> I have them because everyone was throwing them out to get LCDs
[19:26] <Lars_G> ok since people don't want to know gutsy exists until tomorrow....
[19:26] <DMLou> TheRepacker: Cool. Unfortunately, I'm stuck using a mobility radeon 7500.  I'm trying to get dual head working between my laptop and my external LCD
[19:26] <BluesKaj> newsense07:  i know the feeling ... struggled with old 233mhz pc i rescued from the "heap" at work and used it for a while with other distros til i bought this compaq and settled down with kubuntu
[19:27] <DMLou> something broke between Feisty and Gutsy
[19:27] <DMLou> at least w/ regards to my multihead setup
[19:27] <Lars_G> Any idea where the config for the default mounting or not mounting (which has changed) to non mount by default in 7.10 lies? in kde?
[19:27] <TheRepacker> DMLou: sorry, but getting the nvidia set up was headache enough
[19:27] <newsense07> BluesKaj: i cant believe someone threw out this p42.6Ghz Ht im on now
[19:27] <Lars_G> I basically want to re-set it to automount removable media
[19:27] <ian1> Nautilus in Gutsy is using my home directory as my desktop.  might be related to the fact that the first time I booted I didn't have the Desktop folder available, but now it is-- any ideas how to fix that?
[19:28] <DMLou> TheRepacker: I hear ya...  Ironically, I got everything working just fine if I used ATI's proprietary drivers.  Unfortunately, they don't work with suspend/hibernate/etc.
[19:28] <TheRepacker> DMLou: that is also a problem with some nvidia cards and certian drivers
[19:29] <BluesKaj> newsense07:  threw out a p4 2.6ghz ? wow ,must be an extreme gamer gone mad :)
[19:29] <DMLou> TheRepacker: yeah, I think I heard about that too.  Actually, this is my work machine, so I don't care about fancy whiz bang 3d effects.  I just want an efficient coding setup. :)
[19:29] <DMLou> I'm more than willing to use the slower open source drivers, if I can get the multihead setup I like working
[19:29] <Gek_> what is the apt-get command for the gstreamer extra plugins?????
[19:30] <Gek_> I tried aptitude search for gstream extra but dont' see it in the list
[19:30] <Gek_> what should i be looking for?
[19:30] <adaptr> I have upgraded 7.04 to 7.10, rebooted, now the 2.6.22 kernel fails to mount my home partition claiming it is already mounted or in use; fstab was not altered, I am not a beginner, has anybody seen this behaviour with the new kernel ? booting the old one (2.6.20) works fine
[19:30] <DMLou> I'm currently using Feisty's drivers on Gutsy to get the setup I want. It's a little flaky, but it works
[19:31] <TheRepacker> DMLou: this is my home machine, makes my dell at work look sick, still running 2000 pro there
[19:31] <soul9|9> I don't get it
[19:31] <soul9|9> X doesn't seem to get any better
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Gek_, gstreamer-extraplugins perhaps ?
[19:31] <DMLou> TheRepacker: lucky :)
[19:31] <soul9|9> a fucking dual-screen display is too much to wish for
[19:31] <TheRepacker> what for the dell
[19:32] <Gek_> BluesKaj, i don't know... aptitude search gstream extra plugins doesn't have that
[19:32] <DMLou> soul9|9: under both Feisty and my old NVidia-based desktop (running Fedora, though), getting dual screen working wasn't hard
[19:32] <soul9|9> yeah?
[19:32] <soul9|9> well I've been trying to get it working here for about as long as I've had this stupid laptop and i haven't been able to
[19:33] <DMLou> Well, I had to hack up my xorg for Feisty... but under Fedora, their screens control panel just worked
[19:33] <soul9|9> first off: the internal screen is 1440x900
[19:33] <Gek_> BluesKaj, "Couldn't find package "Gstreamer-extraplugins"
[19:33] <DMLou> soul9|9: what kind of hardware are you running?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Gek_: check synaptic or adept
[19:33] <soul9|9> and the external screen is 1024x768
[19:33] <DMLou> as in what graphics card, etc.
[19:34] <soul9|9> and the stupid fucking X guys (sorry) didn't think anyone would want a dual-screen setup with different resolution/layout
[19:34] <soul9|9> intel video card
[19:34] <Seeker`> soul9|9: watch your langugae please
[19:34] <PriceChild> soul9|9, saying sorry doesn't excuse you whatsoever.
[19:35] <soul9|9> okay, so i don't know who's fault is
[19:35] <Gek_> What am I looking for in synaptic?  I'm in multimedia... but don't se anything related to gstreamer
[19:35] <DMLou> soul9|9: what kind of setup do you want?  One big ass spanning desktop, or multiple separate desktops?
[19:35] <soul9|9> yes
[19:35] <soul9|9> I don't care
[19:35] <DMLou> I came across this page while trying to get my ati card to work.  It's written by the intel driver folks, so it may help you if you haven't seen it yet: http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[19:35] <soul9|9> but a "big-desktop" setup would be the ideal
[19:36] <DMLou> "big-desktop" seems to be the more popular.  Multi-desktop (like mine) seems to be going the way of the dodo :(
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Gek_: in the search bar type 'gstreamer'
[19:37] <soul9|9> yeah, I want to be able to drag windows from one to another
[19:37] <Lars_G> Any idea where the config for the default mounting or not mounting (which has changed) to non mount by default in 7.10 lies? in kde? I want to set 7.10 to automount
[19:37] <DMLou> soul9|9: then hopefully that page will work.  it seems geared towards that setup
[19:37] <Gek_> Which search bar?  The Deskbar Applet?
[19:37] <soul9|9> yes, that page doesn't help me at all
[19:37] <soul9|9> that is why I said intel sucks
[19:38] <soul9|9> I don't know if it's an intel limitation or an X one, but
[19:38] <DMLou> I would assume it's probably an X one or an X bug, since everything I've heard indicated that Intel's got some of the best X drivers out there
[19:39] <soul9|9> getting this setup to work with two different type of monitors (1440x900+1024x768) is too much to ask
[19:39] <Gek_> fuck
[19:40] <Seeker`> Gek_: watch your langugae please
[19:40] <DMLou> soul9|9: take a peek at this one.  It's for thinkpads, but they do cover intel cards on it: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2
[19:40] <DMLou> I wish I could help more, but I don't have an intel card to muck around with
[19:40] <DMLou> hell, I need help with my ati card :)
[19:40] <soul9|9> oh, and with intel dri is limited to 2048, so i guess the guy who designed the thing thought people inly needed max 1024horizontal pixels, no more per monitor
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Gek_:  in synaptic choose "All" then click on the the little magnifying glass icon 'searcj' and type in "gstreamer"
[19:40] <BluesKaj> search
[19:40] <DMLou> soul9|9: okay, that might be an intel problem
[19:40] <soul9|9> all of it is
[19:41] <soul9|9> or I mean yeah, it is
[19:41] <soul9|9> that is, and they know about it
[19:41] <Gek_> I have done that.  It shows the same thing that aptitude search gstreamer extra did
[19:41] <Gek_> I don't see anything listed as anything "extra" for gstreamer
[19:41] <mon^rch> lol I can't join #ubuntu+2
[19:41] <soul9|9> what I don't know is that it should work even without dri, but I get a display with huge black lines on top and bottom
[19:42] <soul9|9> and very strange responses
[19:42] <DMLou> soul9|9: bizarre indeed
[19:43] <Doctor_Nick> hell yeah
[19:43] <Doctor_Nick> #ubuntu+4
[19:43] <lee986321> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed. I found this in the kubuntu when I wanted to check to see if it could be one, any ideas on why it wasleft out?
[19:43] <soul9|9> I guess it is hard to imagine how it should work with this setup
[19:44] <soul9|9> but I mean, it isn't that hard to clip off the bottom of the screen in this case
[19:44] <soul9|9> I don't understand why this wasn't thought of when designing the drivers/X server
[19:44] <DMLou> beats me
[19:44] <soul9|9> oh well
[19:44] <iss_student> Is it possible to connect to multiple wireless points in Kubuntu say like office, home and college?
[19:45] <soul9|9> this is one problem
[19:45] <soul9|9> the other one being the flakiness of networkmanager
[19:46] <BluesKaj> Gek_: are you trying to listen to streams or set up an audioserver ?
[19:46] <lee986321> hmm they also  created a program that shuts down the ati Installer to
[19:47] <soul9|9> iss_student: what do you mean
[19:47] <iss_student> soul, I connected at home and then coudln't connect at work untill I switched from the built in to a pcmcia wireless adapter
[19:48] <soul9|9> with gutsy?
[19:48] <iss_student> yup
[19:48] <soul9|9> yes, as I said networkmanager is flakey: it's _VERY_ hard to switch networks with it
[19:48] <dapatrick> Has anyone seen the "Could not calculate the upgrade" error when running update-manager -d?
[19:48] <soul9|9> it shouldn't be, but it is
[19:49] <soul9|9> and both on ubuntu 7.10 and kubuntu 7.10
[19:51] <iss_student> has it been reported as a bug
[19:51] <adaptr> anybody know how the device-mapper works ?
[19:51] <bur[n]er> anyone around who can help me fix gdm resolution on an i965 and widescreen monitor?  once gnome loads, it's 1440x900 like it should be, but gdm is some 4:3 res :\
[19:52] <adaptr> bur[n]er gdm will usually come up in the highest resolution the monitor's EDID supports
[19:52] <adaptr> so it may be reporting the wrong values
[19:52] <bur[n]er> EDID?
[19:52] <adaptr> yes
[19:52] <bur[n]er> my exact monitor version was in displayconfig-gtk
[19:53] <soul9|9> iss_student: I don't know
[19:53] <adaptr> "was" ?
[19:53] <soul9|9> check :-)
[19:53] <bur[n]er> adaptr: kdm works fine
[19:53] <CheeseGardener> If I already have 7.10beta, will it update itself through regular updates to 7.10full when gutsy is released tomorrow?????????
[19:53] <soul9|9> i'm off for now
[19:53] <bur[n]er> adaptr: is
[19:53] <adaptr> CheeseGardener no, you'll always need to do a distupgrade
[19:53] <bur[n]er> CheeseGardener: yepper
[19:53] <lee986321> eh guys I think I just found an oops
[19:53] <adaptr> oh, erm.. no
[19:53] <adaptr> sorry
[19:54] <CheeseGardener> how can I check if it updated to the full?
[19:54] <bur[n]er> adaptr: that make sense that kdm works just fine but gdm doesn't?
[19:54] <lee986321> I am running update mager aswell as  adept updater and I have the pics to prove it if some sasys it can't be doen
[19:54] <bur[n]er> CheeseGardener: use synaptic and do an update and upgrade
[19:54] <iss_student> So what do you do if you need to access multiple wireless points
[19:54] <CheeseGardener> oh...
[19:54] <bur[n]er> lee986321: so close oen of them?  "killall update-manager" or adept
[19:55] <bur[n]er> iss_student: at teh same time?
[19:55] <adaptr> bur[n]er as you just said, there is a config for it in a gtk file, so yes, it makes sense
[19:55] <lee986321> there both running and noot sure waht on eto kill
[19:55] <bur[n]er> lee986321: you use kde or gnome?
[19:55] <lee986321> but the update manager has one extra file then the  adept though
[19:55] <bur[n]er> that makes no sense
[19:55] <CheeseGardener> ok thx
[19:55] <lee986321> Kbuntu, 64 bit mode
[19:56] <lee986321> not sure if its genome or waht
[19:56] <bur[n]er> lee986321: so use adept with kde
[19:56] <bur[n]er> kubuntu == kde
[19:56] <lee986321> ah ok
[19:56] <bur[n]er> ubuntu == gnome
[19:56] <bur[n]er> adaptr: know where the gdm resolution is set?
[19:56] <bur[n]er> adaptr: i tried /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to no avail
[19:56] <lee986321> egles ok
[19:57] <lee986321> I thaught that there was supose to be a syna[ptic thing to prevent this fro mhappening
[19:57] <adaptr> bur[n]er there is quite a bit more config, yeah
[19:57] <bur[n]er> lee986321: nope, it has nothing to do with synaptic... it has to do with your kde session that started update-manager
[19:58] <lee986321> hmm
[19:58] <bur[n]er> adaptr: any pointers to where I can search
[19:58] <lee986321> and I started ppure with the down load disk too lol
[19:58] <iss_student> No bur[n]er one at work, one at home and one at school
[19:58] <lee986321> I didnt upgrade
[19:58] <bur[n]er> lee986321: did you install synaptic or any ubuntu packages?
[19:58] <bur[n]er> iss_student: and network manager doesn't cut it for you?
[19:58] <bur[n]er> iss_student: it's not hard to click it and then click on the wireless network you want
[19:59] <lee986321> hmm no I just asked it to  update-manager -d
[19:59] <bur[n]er> lee986321: well it's your fault then... don't run update-manager if you don't really want it :P
[20:00]  * bur[n]er would be more disturbed if lee986321 ran update-manager and nothing happened
[20:00] <lee986321> bur[n]er no I just typed in  Update-manager , it said progrma not installed and it asked if I wanted it and Isaid yes
[20:00] <bur[n]er> lee986321: and you're wondering why both adept and update-manager are running?
[20:00] <bur[n]er> you told it to run
[20:00] <bur[n]er> and to install
[20:01] <lee986321> hey I didnt know wht he diff betwen the 2 was lol
[20:01] <bur[n]er> if you'd prefer adept, run its commands instead of update-manager
[20:01] <lee986321> eh to late any ways adept update mager has already enguaged inthe updates
[20:01] <bur[n]er> update-manager == gtk based, adept == qt.   you can use either
[20:03] <lee986321> hmm updat manger beat  adept 10 to 1 lol
[20:03] <lee986321> I cancled the adpet
[20:04] <lee986321> its only difference was 1 file
[20:05] <lee986321> hmm
[20:05] <lee986321> i think I might have some choclate files
[20:07] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:07] <Ben_Cs> i installed ssh package. when i CLI: ssh localhost, i don't get login request, as if nothing happens
[20:07] <Crozar> this last update 17 hours ago has buged my kopete i cant connect to msn :(
[20:08] <Crozar> i will confirm in the bug site
[20:08] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: firewall on?
[20:08] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: don't think i have one. never installed explicitly
[20:08] <odzx> gutsy is pretty slow for me on a dual core machine with 1g ram. any ideas?
[20:08] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: ps ax | grep ssh   <--is the server running?
[20:09] <bur[n]er> odzx: it's fast here
[20:09] <Ben_Cs> 5554 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager
[20:09] <Ben_Cs>  6088 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[20:09] <Ben_Cs>  6103 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep ssh
[20:09] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: it is right?
[20:09] <bur[n]er> sshd == server
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> so what's wrong
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> ?
[20:10] <lee986321> well
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> :(
[20:10] <nibsa1242b> anyone know why the 2.6.22-16-generic kernel & fglrx don't seem to get along
[20:10] <lee986321> I have unbuntu office taths the only effcts it has had
[20:10] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: got me... does it ask you about a fingerprint and if you should accept or does it just timeout?
[20:11] <lee986321> there choclate instead of the dfeault for Kunbutu..unless they always have been chocloate colord
[20:11] <bur[n]er> lee986321: you could always use "koffice" instead of openoffice
[20:11] <lee986321> bur[n]er ture
[20:11] <matic> Hello there. I was editing xorg.conf (ONLY THE MOUSE PART) and after I tried with reboot I'm getting the error "no screens found" in Xorg.0.log. Any ideas where did that come from?
[20:11] <nibsa1242b> mmm chocolate
[20:11] <lee986321> how do I get K office lol
[20:12] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: doesn't even timeout. the cursor goes to the next line, which is totally blank, and then just shows what i type. that's it
[20:12] <gnomefreak> lee986321: sudo apt-get install koffice
[20:12] <bur[n]er> lee986321: adept, apt, synaptic, add/remove, take your pic
[20:12] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: you could try restarting the ssh server  "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[20:13] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: where did you get 2.6.22-16 from?
[20:13] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: sure you didn't edit the sshd.conf and change the port of the ssh server ?
[20:13] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: same result after restart
[20:13] <lee986321> or i can have both lol
[20:13] <Laibsch> what is the name of the next testing release after gutsy?
[20:13] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: sure you never installed guarddog or firestarter?
[20:13] <Laibsch> h* ?
[20:13] <lee986321> well theere the same probably
[20:13] <bur[n]er> Laibsch: hardy heron
[20:13] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: hint on the main mirror its still -14
[20:13] <Laibsch> bur[n]er: Thanks
[20:13] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: it installed by default with Gusty RC
[20:13] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: are you sure its not -14
[20:14] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: well its in my grub menu now, and it wasn't there before
[20:14] <bur[n]er> i have -14
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: don't rememeber installing any of them. i edited: /etc/ssh/sshd_config   but restored it to original
[20:14] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: uname -a
[20:14] <gnomefreak> paste the output please
[20:14] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: i'd say you didn't restore it to the original or it'd work ;)
[20:14] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: no, I have -14, -15, & -16 in my grub menu... -14 was the default choice
[20:14] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: the files says it listens on  port 22
[20:14] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: -14 is the latest
[20:14] <bur[n]er> http://burner.ath.cx/sshd_config.txt
[20:15] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: there is no 2.6.22-15 or 16
[20:15] <iss_student> Hmm no updates yet today for me
[20:15] <gnomefreak> iss_student: you wont get any if you do it will be 1 or 2
[20:15] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: i even reinstalled the ssh package and sshserver pack
[20:15] <Ben_Cs> *openssh-server
[20:15] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: if you didn't --purge on unisntall, it keeps your config files
[20:16] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: try my sshd_config file and restart your ssh server "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart"
[20:16] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: purge keeps or removes the files?
[20:16] <bur[n]er> --purge removes them
[20:16] <bur[n]er> or purges them ;)
[20:16] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: I'm currently using -14 because I noticed that with -16 fglrx wouldn't work properly... if there isn't a -16 y is it in my grub menu? I can boot with it, and it shows up as such with uname -r.
[20:16] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: anyway 2.6.22-14 WILL be the final kernel unless a bug gets caught that prevents booting on a known hardware
[20:16] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: the kernel team did not release a 15 or a 16
[20:17] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: in all honesty, there is one command to getting ssh on a fresh install.  "sudo apt-get install ssh" and then you "ssh localhost" so it's very weird here
[20:18] <TheInfinity_> bur[n]er: isnt it openssh-server?
[20:18] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: ok... well who knows how it got there... it was there from my first boot with Gusty (I upgraded from the alternative cd).
[20:18] <gnomefreak>  nibsa1242b Latest kernel  upload: 2.6.22-14.46 | Latest news: Gutsy kernel is final
[20:18] <TheInfinity_> but then everythink works, yes
[20:18] <lee986321> bur[n]er  I STAND CORRECTED K office is way different and a lot better :)
[20:18] <gnomefreak> i got that from the -kernel devel channel topic
[20:18] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: purged and reinstalled. stilll same thing. gutsy bug?
[20:19] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: I'll just be sure not to use -15 or -16 as obviously they are not supposed to be there
[20:19] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: doubt it... uninstall... rm your sshd_config file and then reinstall
[20:19] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: try a port scan on yourself to see if 22 is open and running?   sure your 'lo' interface is working?
[20:19] <gnomefreak> lee986321: its not alot better thats why OO.o is included with kubuntu and not koffice (too many bugs to include it with install)
[20:19]  * bur[n]er has installed ssh on > 10 gutsy machines with no problems whatsoever
[20:20] <lee986321> oh
[20:20] <gnomefreak> bur[n]er: sudo apt-get install openssh-server isnt that hard to do
[20:20] <lee986321> so, Usin open office is better then?
[20:20] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: even ssh 10.0.0.2 don't work
[20:20] <lee986321> I have both ont he system atm
[20:20] <bur[n]er> gnomefreak: that's what i'm sayin to Ben_Cs, but his ssh doesn't work
[20:20] <gnomefreak> lee986321: its more user friendly and less user related bugs
[20:20] <lee986321> ah
[20:20] <gnomefreak> bur[n]er: what command is given?
[20:21] <lee986321> eh waht open office or the latter?
[20:21] <gnomefreak> lee986321: i asked that 6 months ago
[20:21] <bur[n]er> ?  Ben_Cs, ask gnomefreak, maybe he can help ;)
[20:21] <lee986321> lol
[20:21] <gnomefreak> yeah right
[20:21] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er:ok
[20:21] <gnomefreak> i cant convince one person that -14 is latest kernel
[20:21] <bur[n]er> lol
[20:21] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: what is the issue?
[20:21] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: when i ssh localhost the cursor moves to next line and then just echoes my typing
[20:22] <gnomefreak> huh
[20:22] <lee986321> doh I bte I can't play a dvd now grrr
[20:22] <Pici> !info linux-image-generic
[20:22] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: no login
[20:22] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[20:22] <Pici> gnomefreak: ^^
[20:22] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: If I run Synaptic and search for "linux-image" I have 2.6.22-14-generic, -15 and -16 show up. Do you think its a repo problem? I'm in FL and currently have ftp.usf.edu/pub/ubuntu set up as my repo. Should I change/ be concerned?
[20:22] <gnomefreak> Pici: its .46 the latest
[20:22] <bur[n]er> lee986321: search for medibuntu
[20:22] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: most likely a unofficial repo
[20:22] <Pici> gnomefreak: is it?
[20:23] <gnomefreak> Pici: see #ubuntu-kernel
[20:23] <lee986321> ohn waht and where?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> lee986321: make sure you have libdvdcss2 installed
[20:23] <gnomefreak> its in topic
[20:23] <Pici> gnomefreak: no one reads that :p
[20:23] <gnomefreak> i do
[20:23] <gnomefreak> :)
[20:23] <gnomefreak> i have to
[20:23] <lee986321> eh ok
[20:23] <gnomefreak> or i would be agreeing that -16 is latest
[20:23] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: so what do u think?
[20:23] <lee986321> wait how do I get taht adept or pat get?
[20:24] <Arenlor> -14 is the latest still, how do these people use magic and get later kernels?
[20:24] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: im not sure, are you seeing the ssh dialog before the command prompt?
[20:24] <bur[n]er> lee986321: you need to add the medibuntu repositories first of some repo with libdvdcss2
[20:24] <lee986321> ah ok how do I go doing that?
[20:24] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: dialog? i', in CLI
[20:24] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: differnet repos im sure but without the sources.list i can guess all day
[20:24] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: ok... I'm only using that because it came up as the "best download server" when I did the select best server test in synaptic.
[20:24] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: dialog? i'm, in CLI
[20:24] <BluesKaj> lee986321:  adept or apt if you have the right repos in your sources.list
[20:24] <pwnt-> When Gutsy will fully release, Can't wait!
[20:24] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: i have an idea... i bet ssh is working :)
[20:25] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: ssh localhost, then on the next line... type "exit" and does it say "connection to localhost closed" ?  if so, ssh is working
[20:25] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: last time i used ssh i got ssh info before the prompt but that might be the domain i used
[20:25] <lee986321> just a sec
[20:25] <pwnt-> tomorrow is final release??
[20:25] <bur[n]er> http://burner.ath.cx/Screenshot-Terminal.png
[20:25] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: no. nothing happened
[20:25] <BluesKaj> pwnt-:  yes
[20:25] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: well since 14 is latest your drivers wont work on newer version
[20:26] <pwnt-> yay :)
[20:26] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: I believe you that -14 is the latest, I'm just worried that I should have a different repo/ an official repo b/c I don't need to be dling non-official versions of things.
[20:26] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: I completely get that.
[20:26] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: post you /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin
[20:26] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: last time i used ssh i got the info too, but that was on another system
[20:27] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: you should always get it
[20:27] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: remind me how to do that?
[20:27] <gnomefreak> not always the same text though
[20:27] <Arenlor> libdvdcss2 is found in libdvdread3
[20:27] <gnomefreak> remind you how to open the file? or copy and paste or where is pastebin?
[20:27] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: so what could be wrong? will it help if i paste in pastebin the conf file?
[20:27] <lee986321> ok I just had it filter everyhthing
[20:27] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: where pasebin is
[20:27] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: nope separate packages
[20:28] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | nibsa1242b
[20:28] <ubotu> nibsa1242b: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[20:28] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: do you have an ssh key?
[20:28] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: look in if you have ~/.ssh and see whats in there
[20:29] <Arenlor> gnomefreak true but it's found in in, as in, I think it's /etc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh or something like that, trying to find it exactly right now
[20:30] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: don't have ~/.ssh dir
[20:30] <lee986321> eh how do i get the repos added?
[20:30] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: generate an ssh key or use the one you used to have
[20:30] <gnomefreak> bur[n]er: if i had to guess thats why its failing
[20:30] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40962/
[20:30] <Crozar> guys what is  better and faster and more efficient kiba-dock or kxdock
[20:31] <lee986321> so kunbuntu isn't genome?
[20:31] <Pete_^> Arenlor: are you looking for "/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh" ?
[20:31] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: here's my sshd_config file:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40963/
[20:32] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: most likely it came from sourceforge repo. but you can tell by using apt-cache madison packagename
[20:32] <Ben_Cs> gnomefreak: don't know what key i had. never played with one
[20:32] <gnomefreak> Ben_Cs: why is it not in ~/.ssh
[20:32] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: any other machines on your network that you can use to test?  can they ssh in via 10.0.0.whatever
[20:32] <Arenlor> Pete_^ yes that's where it is, thanks, and gnomefreak that's what they need to run in the terminal to get libdvdcss2
[20:32] <Crozar> lee986321: with a normal UbuntU is Gnome right with Xscript , but  you can get KDE to work as read  only , but with Kubuntu you will get wide range of  functionality that makes write also that means with gnome i can configure hardware and go to deep inside but as for me in ubuntu when switching sessions to kde i cant do this , with Kubuntu You can thats the only diffrence it gives it for the newbies
[20:32] <bur[n]er> Ben_Cs: maybe gnomefreak is on to something and it's yoru client that is hosed, not the server side
[20:32] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: tried from winxp with putty. same result
[20:32] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: ok... I thought the sourceforge repo was disabled (commented out)
[20:32] <Crozar> lee986321: i think what i do is do allthe needs and wants first in Gnome then switch to KDE and smile :)
[20:33] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: not anymore it stopped working on feisty afaik
[20:33] <Crozar> gnomefreak: wat is better dock app , Kiba-Dock or KxDock
[20:33] <Arenlor> gnomefreak that's how I installed it both on feisty and on gutsy
[20:33] <bur[n]er> Crozar: awn
[20:33] <gnomefreak> Crozar: whatever one you like best is the better one
[20:34] <Crozar> gnomefreak: off course people wants the stabled and faster and the best :D even for slow rams like me :(...
[20:34] <Ben_Cs> bur[n]er: with putty it opens the console and it's stuck
[20:34] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: that script was failing thats why its no longer on the wikis and they point to seveas repo or mediubuntu repos
[20:35] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i just want to know who gives more support and thinking of future :P  whos seriouse like OpenOffice
[20:35] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what? OO.o has nothing to do with dock apps
[20:35] <Arenlor> gnomefreak I installed it yesterday, version 1.2.5-1
[20:36] <Crozar> gnomefreak: im on 256 ram is it worth it>
[20:36] <Crozar> gnomefreak: my pc is on 1gig :)
[20:36] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: an old version as well :)
[20:36] <Crozar> imonlaptop
[20:36] <gnomefreak> Crozar: 256 ram most runs fine on it
[20:36] <Arenlor> gnomefreak well it works and that's what I was shooting for lol
[20:36] <Crozar> so kiba dock it is?
[20:36] <Ben_Cs> well thanks. never mind
[20:36] <Crozar> gnomefreak: sudo apt-get kiba-dock ?
[20:36] <gnomefreak> one of my testing pcs is a p4 256ram
[20:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: use what you like and no kibadock will not be found in repos ever
[20:37] <Crozar> thats a Pc  gnomefreak and my ram of this laptop was theyr since year 2000 lo
[20:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: they havent fixed it upstream in like 6-10 months
[20:37] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i think its dead so  the power of it gives the feeling of a 192
[20:37] <Crozar> :(
[20:37] <gnomefreak> Crozar: unless you are on a mac a pc is anything other than a mac
[20:38] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: it doesn't show up with apt-cache madison linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic is there another way to find out where it came from?
[20:38] <gnomefreak> pc == personal computer it can be a laptop or a desktop
[20:38] <bardyr> kiba-dock works fine??
[20:38] <Crozar> gnomefreak: tell me a dock app i can get from repo or just tell me something i can find which gives me steps to install
[20:38] <bardyr> just compiled the svn version today and it works
[20:38] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: if it doesnt give a repo than you got it from somewhere else
[20:38] <Crozar> MAC?
[20:38] <gnomefreak> bardyr: did they fix it?
[20:38] <Esteth> i'm preparing for the gutsy upgrade. Shound i uninstall ntfs-3g and compiz fusion, since they'll be in gutsy?
[20:38] <bardyr> pc
[20:38] <gnomefreak> Crozar: kxdock
[20:38] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: ok... is it safe to remove -15 & -16 from my system?
[20:39] <bardyr> gnomefreak, donno, first time using it never found any bugs
[20:39] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: since they dont exist i would say yes
[20:39] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: thanks for all your help
[20:39] <Crozar> i was thinking of buying gnomefreak but im waiting to hear news from bootcamp if it can work around ubuntu and do multi boot then its worth it to get a slick looking laptop who has the hardware capabilities for ubuntu windows and mac :D
[20:39] <gnomefreak> bardyr: i spent 6 months trying to work out bugs in it
[20:39] <Crozar> gnomefreak: to install kxdock is  sudo apt-get install kxdock ?
[20:40] <gareth_> I'm having a problem in Gutsy where my wireless adapter/connection stops working if I don't use it for a few minutes. It needs a reboot to recover. What should I be looking at?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> Crozar: if you are not here for support reason please join #ubuntu-offtopic since everything that you are saying makes little to no sense or has nothing to do with docvk apps
[20:40] <gnomefreak> Crozar: use synaptic
[20:40] <Crozar> tankx
[20:40] <lee986321> eh tis maybe off topic but, Ijust seen the weather report and there calling for tornados in eastern OR? and some other areas?
[20:40] <gnomefreak> Crozar: its kxdocker iirc
[20:41] <gnomefreak> lee986321: #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:41] <andax> gareth_, just put a little script in the crontab that will send out packets every minute or so.
[20:41] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: I have a slight suspicion that the -15 & -16 are some how tied into kqemu, as I have kqemu-modules-2.6.20-15 * -16 but no package for -14.
[20:41] <gareth_> andax: I'd rather find and file a bug than work around it. Currently I'm leaving xchat open and that keeps the connection alive but there's an underlying issue to solve.
[20:42] <lee986321> grr I hate this browser nevr mind that was an oops
[20:42] <gnomefreak> nibsa1242b: that might be (so once again you didnt get those kernel from gutsy install)
[20:42] <robinson> having an issue with alsa in Gutsy on my compaq v5204nr. The master volume channel does nothing. I have filed a bug report, but wonder if there is a workaround
[20:42] <andax> gareth_, of course you should check the driver's source and see what's happening if you can and create a patch. I though you just need a quick fix.
[20:42] <nibsa1242b> gnomefreak: yep, I see that. Again, thanks for your help.
[20:43] <robinson> i need a way to map my laptop volume control buttons to the pcm channel instead of the master channel. any ideas?
[20:43] <mcquaid> is there anywhere that shows how many pkgs went through a revision since the rc?
[20:43] <mcquaid> i was going to upgrade via an alternate cd and save time downloading, but if a lot of it changed I might as well wait
[20:43] <gareth_> andax: sure, no worries! One thing I was wondering was is there a command line to bring up and down the wireless connection? The icon on the top bar becomes frozen when this problem hits.
[20:44] <Laibsch> Anybody using apt-proxy around here?  I am seeing much slower speeds than a direct connection when it really should be faster.  My downstream is about 6MBit, 100MBit LAN.  Download rarely exceeds one 1Mbit where a direct connection fetches at full 6 MBit.  Any ideas?
[20:44] <gareth_> I'm used to "/sbin/ifup eth0", this whole Gnome thing is pretty alien to me <g>
[20:45] <Esteth> gareth_: I think "sudo ifconfig ra0 up" will bring up a network connection, where ra0 is the connection
[20:45] <Crozar> gnomefreak: ~!!!!  i did sudo aptitude ..... and then i get this The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
[20:45] <Crozar>   libntfs-3g5 libportaudio2 linux-headers-2.6.22-12
[20:45] <Crozar>   linux-headers-2.6.22-12-generic
[20:45] <andax> gareth_, ifup and ifdown should bring up/down the device. or you can try /etc/init.d/networking stop / start maybe
[20:45] <Crozar> gnomefreak:  i did install  kxdocker
[20:45] <gnomefreak> Crozar: i didnt tell you to use aptitude
[20:45] <Crozar> but it says goign to remove stuff :/
[20:45] <Crozar> do i press No?
[20:45] <mcquaid> yes i use /etc/init.d/networking ...
[20:45] <bardyr> robinson, right click on the gnome mixer and select preferences
[20:45] <gnomefreak> Crozar: and that is expected results when using aptitude
[20:45] <Crozar> maybe i need those files
[20:45] <Esteth> should i uninstall ntfs3g and compiz before upgrading to gutsy?
[20:45] <gnomefreak> Crozar: i suggest you stick with what you know
[20:45] <Crozar> i dont understand what aptitude is :(
[20:46] <gnomefreak> or the suggested synaptic
[20:46] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i thought its a faster way rather then going to synaptic and search
[20:46] <gnomefreak> Crozar: than dont use it
[20:46] <gnomefreak> no
[20:46] <gareth_> andax:  i think it's a device problem rather than in the whole networking subsystem. I need to dig into that control on the top bar to see what it's doing and why it's freezing up.
[20:46] <nibsa1242b> Laibsch: I'm not using it, but I've been thinking about using it do you like it?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> Crozar: use apt-get than
[20:46] <Crozar> :D
[20:46] <andax> Esteth, if you have installed them from packages you will have no problem upgrading.  If you have compiled from source i suggest to uninstall them.
[20:46] <robinson> bardyr: using Kubuntu, sorry. I have the graphical mixer workign right, just need to remap the volume buttons
[20:46] <gnomefreak> Crozar: aptitude can be destructive if you fail to know wha tyou are doing.
[20:47] <Crozar> couldnt find package !
[20:47] <gnomefreak> Crozar: read docs and play with it before using it
[20:47] <Crozar> why destructive ?
[20:47] <robinson> i think they are set using xmodmap's XF86AudioRaiseVolume, which affects the master channel
[20:47] <gnomefreak> Crozar: synaptic can find package
[20:47] <robinson> I need to find out how to change this so the PCM channel is affected
[20:47] <Esteth> andax: they're installed from packages, allthough CF comes from a ppa.
[20:47] <Laibsch> nibsa1242b: It is nice and saves bandwidth.  But if it slows me down that much I'll dump apt-proxy.  Up until now I had 1 Mbit downstream so I hardly noticed it.  Now I have 6 MBit and I want the speed.
[20:47] <gnomefreak> Crozar: notice it removes packages automaticly
[20:47] <Crozar> damnit cant i become a pro in 1 day
[20:47] <lee986321> the new up ates just killed my fire fox xcript set up
[20:47] <iss_student> How in Kubuntu do I make it so that root can log into a xwin session
[20:48] <Crozar> gnomefreak: thats my problem and now i know why i formated 4 times
[20:48] <Crozar> the laptop
[20:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: you have been in here boardline trolling for the last 2 weeks. learn to read docs
[20:48] <andax> Esteth, i think you can keep the packages since they should be replaced by the upgrade process.
[20:48] <Esteth> andax: OK, thanks :)
[20:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your problem is you dont listen and you dont read
[20:48] <Crozar> YOU MEAN THE HELP DOCS
[20:48] <Esteth> iss_student: Logging in as root is a bad, bad idea
[20:48] <Crozar> i dont see nothing useful but irrelevant information
[20:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: man pages --help wiki.ubuntu.com ubuntuguide.org system>help and support
[20:49] <Crozar> when im done ill be back for you
[20:49] <Arenlor> gnomefreak who's @ in this channel?
[20:49] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: me
[20:50] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: /msg cs access #ubuntu+1 list
[20:50] <watchme> hi all
[20:50] <gnomefreak> maybe /msg chanserv or /cs
[20:50] <gnomefreak> depends on your client and what alias' you have set
[20:50] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: why is there an issue?
[20:51] <watchme> Can anyone helkp me with my gutsy 64Bit?
[20:51] <Arenlor> well crozar's threat to you
[20:51] <gnomefreak> Arenlor: dont worry about him
[20:51] <watchme> I want to have a Java Plugin for my FF, but I connot find any
[20:51] <gnomefreak> hes been boarderline troll for a while
[20:51] <Arenlor> gnomefreak that was why I was just going to tell an @, but since you're @ then it's handled
[20:53] <tritium> thanks for your diligence, Arenlor
[20:53] <watchme> anyone?
[20:54] <pi-meson_> what's the recommended way for enabling multiple monitors with gusty?
[20:54] <bur[n]er> pi-meson_: system -> admin -> screens & graphics
[20:54] <Laser87> hi!
[20:54] <Arenlor> hello Laser87
[20:55] <iss_student> Ok how do I get a USB hard drive to work in Kubuntu?
[20:55] <Amaranth> iss_student: plug it in
[20:55] <iss_student> I tried plugging it in and get a access denied
[20:55] <pi-meson_> bur[n]er: i only see one available screen from that applet (using the nividia restricted driver installed by gusty) -- am I just missing some gui option?
[20:56] <Laser87> I have 2 short questions - but for ubuntu+2...
[20:56] <Laser87> When can I get Horny Hibbo :-D ? And from where? (torrent preferred)
[20:57] <gnomefreak> Laser87: thats not the name
[20:57]  * bur[n]er wonders wtf Laser87is talking about
[20:57] <gnomefreak> Laser87: ask in 6 months
[20:57] <Esteth> hardy heron is the name, and no alpha yet even
[20:57] <bur[n]er> Laser87: gutsy isn't even out yet
[20:58] <Laser87> yeah, I know - the name is just a joke, Gutsy Gibbon I use from the first alpha on my second PC
[20:58] <Esteth> bur[n]er: Only a few hours though :P
[20:58] <Slart> How do I disable the search indexer in gutsy?
[20:58] <Laser87> And the same I want to do with 8.04...
[20:58] <Esteth> SLart: Remove trackerd from sessions, i'd think
[20:58] <gnomefreak> Laser87: 8.04 will be hardy heron
[20:58] <Esteth> Slart: But if you're using ext3, the indexer is practically free in terms of performance
[20:59] <gnomefreak> Laser87: if you dont need support for gutsy gibbon (7.10) than all other questions should be asked in #ubuntu-offtopic. if support for 6.06>7.04 ask in #uubntu
[20:59] <Laser87> gnomefreak: I know - but in German forums we discussed names a few weeks ago and a lot liked Horny Hibbo - just a joke
[20:59] <tritium> Esteth: it's never released right at the stroke of midnight
[20:59] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu even
[20:59] <Slart> Esteth: well.. it's been using one of my cores for the last 8 hours.. was hoping for some peace and quiet without cpu-fans going full speed
[21:00] <Esteth> tritium: Of course, but still not too long :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> Laser87: this isnt the channel for jokes, please read the topic and think carefully what type of jokes you tell in any #ubuntu released channel
[21:00] <Gek_> I don't see anything listed as anything "extra" for gstreamerI'm trying get dvd playback working.  Totem Movie Player says "Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because it does not have the appropriate plugins to be able to read from the disc."  Does anyone have know what necessary plugins its talking about?
[21:01] <Laser87> gnomefreak: Sorry, today is too early for 8.04, tomorrow it will be alright - you're joking...
[21:01] <Esteth> Slart: try "stop trackerd"
[21:01] <gnomefreak> Gek_: enable mutliverse and universe repos
[21:01] <gnomefreak> Laser87: 8.04 will not be released until april of 2008
[21:01] <macsim> hi, anybody fix the vmplayer bug (it doesn't start on gusty) ?
[21:01] <Gek_> gnomefreak, where is this done?
[21:01] <gnomefreak> Laser87: and no im not joking
[21:02] <iss_student> I get this message when I open a USB hard drive after it is plugged in and recognized hal-storeag-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000. How can I fix this?
[21:02] <gnomefreak> !universe | Gek_
[21:02] <ubotu> Gek_: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[21:02] <Slart> Esteth: well.. I'll try that the next time.. I already killed it.. I've never heard of the stop command before though.. is it gnome-related? or linux?
[21:02] <Laser87> gnomefreak: but the alpha will come out this week!
[21:02] <Slart> Esteth: and thanks =)
[21:02] <gnomefreak> Laser87: 7.10 will be out this week
[21:02] <gnomefreak> and its not alpha
[21:02] <Laser87> gnomefreak: and the alpha of 8.04
[21:02] <gnomefreak> no
[21:03] <Esteth> Slart: I'm not actually sure. I've only ever used ubuntu seriously, so i wouldn't know, unfortunately
[21:05] <nibsa1242b> is there a safe way for me to roll back to an earlier version of GIMP? the one included in Gusty 2.4~rc3 has a bug in it that I don't like. The latest GIMP in Feisty didn't have the same bug.
[21:05] <PreZGN> Has anyone tried using a VPN connection when connected to the net via. another ppp connection?
[21:05] <Evanlec> nibsa1242b, just download a .deb file from their website, it should co-exist just fine with the other version
[21:06] <nibsa1242b> Evanlec: thanks
[21:06] <Amaranth> livingtm: But the only helping you here would probably be me anyway ;)
[21:06] <livingtm> hehe
[21:07] <livingtm> Amaranth, i was actually looking for someone with your knowledge anyhow :-)
[21:07] <Gek_> !easysource
[21:07] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[21:07] <Q_Continuum> Using the debmirror script, attempting to set up a gutsy mirror.  Getting an error.
[21:07] <Amaranth> This podcast is taking forever to download, I've got time :)
[21:07] <Gek_> !EasySource
[21:07] <livingtm> I upgraded to gutsy on my laptop yesterday, and now compiz is crashing at random, quite often.. with one "Segementation Fault" returned at the command line
[21:08] <livingtm> with ONLY segfault
[21:08] <Dr_willis> robinson,  this is a laptop?
[21:08] <Amaranth> livingtm: KDE?
[21:08] <livingtm> Amaranth, nope, gnome
[21:08] <Amaranth> livingtm: hrm
[21:08] <livingtm> Amaranth, its not consistant at all. happens apparently at random
[21:09] <livingtm> sometimes immediate, sometimes 10-15 minutes later
[21:09] <livingtm> more detailed logs somewhere?
[21:09] <Amaranth> debugging compiz is hard
[21:09] <Amaranth> because if you run it under gdb X stalls when it crashes
[21:09] <Amaranth> You need 2 computers and ssh to debug it
[21:10] <livingtm> yikes
[21:10] <Amaranth> livingtm: nvidia?
[21:10] <livingtm> i810
[21:10] <Amaranth> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz
[21:10] <Amaranth> Then don't change any settings and see if it keeps happening
[21:10] <Amaranth> If not it's something in your configuration
[21:10] <livingtm> do i have to restart compiz/
[21:11] <Amaranth> livingtm: You shouldn't but I would anyway
[21:11] <Amaranth> livingtm: That will reset compiz settings to stock gutsy
[21:11] <livingtm> /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[21:11] <Amaranth> livingtm: Don't enable cube or anything, leave it with the stock settings for awhile and see if it keeps crashing
[21:11] <Amaranth> livingtm: that's a Warn :P
[21:11] <livingtm> oh wait
[21:12] <livingtm> haha it reset all the plugins... it didnt look like compiz was running :-)
[21:12] <livingtm> my bad
[21:12] <Amaranth> The video plugin was written to use something that doesn't exist yet but hopefully will some day
[21:12] <Amaranth> yeah, no cube, no wobbly, etc
[21:12] <CaBlGuY> so, are we all set for tomorrow then??
[21:12] <Amaranth> Just try this
[21:12] <Amaranth> CaBlGuY: sure why not?
[21:12] <daaku> anyone know if the gutsy server kernel uses PAE, like the feisty server kernel does? (parallels on mac doesnt support PAE yet)
[21:12] <livingtm> okay thanks. ill keep you updated
[21:12] <CaBlGuY> cool.
[21:13] <CaBlGuY> got a question..   is the firefox and flash issue taken care of??
[21:13] <CaBlGuY> that would be nice
[21:13] <livingtm> Amaranth, You know that plugin in beryl that allowed sticky windows to stay on the screen whil eyou rotated the cube? Is that going to be ported to fusion? I LOVED that plugin
[21:13] <sniperjam> cablguy: yes
[21:13] <CaBlGuY> great!
[21:13] <Amaranth> livingtm: Nope
[21:13] <livingtm> damn
[21:13] <Amaranth> livingtm: That wasn't really how that was supposed to work, standards-wise
[21:14] <skiff> hey guys, when I enable restricted drivers, only my old lcd works on a crappy resolution, and 24" dell in digital mode doesnt even work, any links to help on this issue ( I have ati 1950pro video card)
[21:14] <livingtm> hm.. maybe someone will rewrite it?
[21:14] <livingtm> i loved the way the gnome panel stayed put
[21:14] <livingtm> very nice feel.
[21:15] <ratpoison> Hello! Can you point me to a working link for nautilus iso mounting scripts for gutsy?
[21:17] <Gek_> gnomefreak, now it says "Totem could not play'dvd:/'  There is no plugin to handle this movie.
[21:17] <Lockal> lockal@lockal:~> date
[21:17] <Lockal> Чтв Окт 18 00:17:36 MSD 2007
[21:17] <Gek_> any idea what plugin its referring to?
[21:17] <Slart> ratpoison: if you don't mind doing some of the work yourself you can get the nautilus actions add on and combine it with the "mount -o loop /you/iso/file /your/mountpoint"
[21:18] <Gek_> i've already installed the gstreamer extras
[21:18] <daaku> does the 'linux-686' meta package no longer exist in gutsy?
[21:18] <Slart> ratpoison: I've never seen a complete package for it, sorry
[21:18] <Q_Continuum_> Attempting to use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror to set up a mirror, but the script fails.  (Trying to set up Gutsy mirror today)
[21:19] <warbisshop> I got a problem with ubuntu gibbon on my Laptop, The boot tiems takes 3-4 mins and i also dont get the loader . with feisty it boats up perfectly and fast
[21:19] <Arenlor> Gek_ libdvdcss2
[21:19] <ratpoison> Slart: I know the command to mount iso's. I just don't know how to make nautilus scripts and add them @ your right-click menu.  Is " Nautilus Scripts" a package that does this in GUI?
[21:20] <jmichaelx> will there likely be another kernel upgrade before final?
[21:20] <Slart> ratpoison: yes.. you get a "nautilus actions" thingy in the "preferences" menu.. you can chose filetypes it will appear for and what to do.. including some limited scripting
[21:21] <Slart> !info nautilus-actions
[21:21] <ubotu> nautilus-actions: nautilus extension to configure programs to launch. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-1 (gutsy), package size 236 kB, installed size 1336 kB
[21:21] <Slart> that's the one
[21:22] <Gek_> Arenlor would that be gxine?
[21:22] <ratpoison> Slarth: Thnx for the info so far. What if I have a restricted image format, such as *.nrg (the nero one) can the mount command handle these?
[21:22] <Slart> ratpoison: nope.. you have to convert them.. but there are tools for nrg, bin/cue etc
[21:23] <Arenlor> Gek_ libdvdcss2 is what's needed to de-encrypt dvds if you have libdvdread3 installed run this in terminal /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[21:23] <Slart> ratpoison: or.. perhaps nrg.. don't really remember which ones worked and which ones required converting
[21:24] <Slart> !info bchunk
[21:24] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-6 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 68 kB
[21:24] <Slart> !info nrg2iso
[21:24] <ubotu> nrg2iso: Extracts ISO9660 data from Nero ".nrg" files. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-1.1 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[21:24] <Slart> sorry for the bot-spam
[21:25] <RedRose> The font when I type in GDM is large, how can i scale it down? The rest of the font in GDM is notmal, like hostname, but when I type, it's about 72 times larger.
[21:25] <ratpoison> Slart: Thnx a lot, you've been very helpful. I'll also check " mount " 's info & man for supported formats
[21:25] <RedRose> it's only in GDM
[21:25] <Arenlor> packages compress really well
[21:25] <ratpoison> to prevent botspam I think you can use syntax !botcommand > <nickname>
[21:26] <soul9|9> hi
[21:26] <soul9|9> re, I should say
[21:26] <RedRose> !compiz
[21:26] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[21:26] <RedRose> !beryl
[21:26] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged.  Help in #ubuntu-effects - see also !compiz
[21:26] <Slart> ratpoison: do that.. and please write a daemon-tools clone for linux we can stop messing with mount ;)
[21:27] <A[D]minS> Gutsy zero days lol
[21:27] <A[D]minS> so when will be out ?
[21:27] <ratpoison> well, sometimes I wish I were a programmer since I used to open-source
[21:28] <soul9|9> does anyone know if there is a limit in the number of nameservers passed by a dhcp server?
[21:28] <soul9|9> i have a hunch that there is, and it is 2, but can someone confirm?
[21:28] <jmichaelx> i have been having wireless connectivity problems in gutsy using an rt2500 mini-pci. are there any present who have found ways of improving this? always before i had used wlassistant to conect to wireless hotspots, etc., but so far in gutsy betas and rc that has not beenworking. any suggestions?
[21:28] <ratpoison> and I'm not experienced enough for bash scripting
[21:28] <ratpoison> used = moved
[21:28] <soul9|9> start with C or python
[21:28] <Gek_> Arenlor, that didn't do it.  it still gives me the same error after /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh . :(  Any other ideas?
[21:28] <soul9|9> you can learn python in 2 days
[21:29] <Gek_> brick walls everywhere! :P
[21:29] <soul9|9> ratpoison ^
[21:29] <Gek_> Totem could not play 'dvd:/'
[21:29] <tsukasa> hey question, why isnt cacert.org root ca imported by default?
[21:29] <Arenlor> Gek_ try installing totem-xine
[21:29] <soul9|9> Gek_: are you trying to get libdvdcss2 to work?
[21:29] <tsukasa> its pretty mainstream
[21:29] <CaBlGuY> Oh!  I had an issue with 7.04 when I upgraded on my desktop with the Xserver I think..  I've got a Nvidia card..  will this be an issue with gutsy, or has that been fixed as well?
[21:29] <jmichaelx> i wish i could learn python in two days. i am in an 'intro to programming' course right now that uses python, and so far it has been hell
[21:29] <Slart> ratpoison: yea.. linux seems like such a moving target to program for... if I ever become a millionaire I'll sponsor someone to write it.. until then mount will have to do
[21:29] <aguitel> anyone use chipset REALTEK rlt8180 ?
[21:29] <Gek_> I'm just trying to play dvd's :P
[21:30] <ratpoison> soul9|9: I had the option to specialise in programming @ uni, I just chose telecommunications ;) I found programming useful, interesting but not my tastes
[21:30] <ratpoison> :)
[21:30] <Gek_> I'm using Totem Movie Player 2.20.0
[21:30] <ratpoison> I know it's very rare for a person that spends time in a linux irc channel, but...
[21:30] <bardyr> Gek_, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:30] <soul9|9> Gek_ what did you do till now to get it to work?
[21:31] <Gek_> it says in "Add/Remove Applications" that "Movie Player Totem (xine backend) Play DVD, movies and songs via xine backend"
[21:31] <soul9|9> ratpoison: what did you learn in telecommunication?
[21:31] <Gek_> I've installed Movie Player Totem
[21:31] <aguitel> i have problem with generic wireles card with chipset REALTEK ,anyone helpme?
[21:32] <soul9|9> Gek_: ok, you need to install a package on linux to make it work, as DVDs are encrypted
[21:32] <Gek_> ubuntu-restricted-extras is already installed
[21:32] <Slart> !dvd
[21:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[21:32] <soul9|9> and there is no way to get the decrypter in any legal way for linux
[21:32] <CaBlGuY> Oh!  I had an issue with 7.04 when I upgraded on my desktop with the Xserver I think..  I've got a Nvidia card..  will this be an issue with gutsy, or has that been fixed as well?
[21:32] <CaBlGuY> anyone?
[21:32] <soul9|9> Gek_: just use this rep:
[21:32] <soul9|9> [22:32:52] JOIN (d4rkmonkey)	##various illegal stuff
[21:32] <soul9|9> .org/ gutsy free non-free
[21:32] <Gek_> I already did  sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[21:32] <ratpoison> soul9|9: Still a student :) We're doing analog/digital/wireless telecom systems, biomed technology, Analog, Digital, Stochastic Signal processing, Filters, you name it...
[21:33] <Gek_> that didn't do it
[21:33] <d4rkmonkey> soul9|9 wtf?
[21:33] <soul9|9> ##various illegal stuff
[21:33] <soul9|9> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[21:33] <soul9|9> here
[21:33] <d4rkmonkey> ...
[21:33] <soul9|9> Gek^: add those two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:33] <ratpoison> Electroaccoustics... Radars
[21:33] <ratpoison> lot's of stuff
[21:33] <Slart> CaBlGuY: gutsy is supposed to have some kind of "safe mode" startup so you can configure your graphics card etc.. it didn't work for me, I still had to do it the hard way.. you might be luckier
[21:33] <d4rkmonkey> Dude, what are you talking about? and why are you telling me to join for something *illegal*? (also asuming that I have to follow US law...)
[21:33] <ratpoison> sry for offtopic
[21:33] <jmichaelx> anyone with tips/info on wireless with gutsy and rt2500, please clue me in
[21:33] <soul9|9> ratpoison: fun too :-)
[21:34] <soul9|9> I am not telling YOU to
[21:34] <CaBlGuY> Slart:  lets hope they've got it all worked out..  I would hate to have revert one more time..
[21:34] <CaBlGuY> :p
[21:34] <soul9|9> actually, I am not telling anyone to
[21:34] <d4rkmonkey> uh.. soul9|9 "<soul9|9> [22:32:52] JOIN (d4rkmonkey) ##various illegal stuff" thats telling me to.
[21:34] <soul9|9> if you want to play DVDs, you need to install it though
[21:34] <jmichaelx> !rt2500
[21:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rt2500 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:34] <Slart> CaBlGuY: let's hope..
[21:35]  * CaBlGuY crosses his fingers..
[21:35] <soul9|9> d4rkmonkey: that was a mistake
[21:35] <d4rkmonkey> soul9|9 first of all, its not illegal all over the world, second of all, you don't need to join a different channel to learn about it.
[21:35] <soul9|9> [22:35:15] <soul9|9> d4rkmonkey: that was a mistake
[21:35] <d4rkmonkey> soul9|9 I realize, stop making mistakes. its annoying.
[21:36] <aguitel> i have problem with generic wireles card with chipset REALTEK ,anyone helpme?
[21:36] <soul9|9> d4rkmonkey: that was a mistake, and you can see it, it's just your JOIN that was registered
[21:36] <ratpoison> Isn't it dvd-playing included in ubuntu restricted extras?
[21:36] <soul9|9> stop annoying me
[21:36] <soul9|9> ratpoison: is it?
[21:36] <ratpoison> lemme check.
[21:36] <[Ramy]> i can't detect the new features in gutsy after a feisty upgrade :(, there is no any new tool like screen and dual monitor , except preferences from gnome2.2, i'm wondering if i have to download extra packages to see the new features ?
[21:36] <d4rkmonkey> soul9|9 wasn't *registered* that thime.
[21:37] <d4rkmonkey> *time
[21:37] <RedRose> How do i configure compiz?
[21:37] <RedRose> or the graphics?
[21:37] <Gek_> soul9|9, i've added those and rebooted
[21:37] <Arenlor> [Ramy] what new features?
[21:37] <Esteth> RedRose: CompizConfig Settings Manager, or ccsm for short
[21:37] <ratpoison> http://pastebin.com/m7cc9ba0f
[21:37] <Gek_> am i supposed to apt-get something now?
[21:37] <Arenlor> RedRose sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager first
[21:37] <RedRose> what's the command for that?
[21:37] <ratpoison> you should note that some packages are illegal in the US
[21:38] <ratpoison> but if you speak legalese, there's a link in my paste
[21:38] <ratpoison> RedRose: ati or nvidia?
[21:38] <RedRose> intel
[21:38] <RedRose> ratpoison, Intel 945GM
[21:39] <RedRose> Integrated. I know it worked with beryl
[21:39] <[Ramy]> Arenlor , Graphical configuration tool for X , Fully automatic printer installation , AppArmor security framework , Fast user switching
[21:39] <RedRose> and I know it works
[21:39] <Arenlor> RedRose after you apt-get install it just go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects and turn it on
[21:39] <ratpoison> RedRose: Arenlor covered it
[21:39] <RedRose> got it
[21:39] <ratpoison> RedRose: There is also a program to config all of compiz plugins in add remove
[21:40] <ratpoison> if it doesn't work, try alt+f2 compiz --replace
[21:40] <RedRose> yeah, I got it... the settings manager wasn't installed
[21:40] <ratpoison> this replaces metacity w/ compiz
[21:42] <Arenlor> [Ramy] sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager and go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects and turn it on, the printer and AppArmor just ARE on you don't see them, and for the user switching right click on a panel and add to panel the user switcher applet
[21:42] <Esteth> what happens to feisty support when gutsy goes live? Does feisty go to #ubuntu-1?
[21:42] <tritium> Esteth: it'll continue
[21:43] <gunashekar> hmm
[21:43] <ratpoison> !releases | Esteth
[21:43] <ubotu> Esteth: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:43] <Gek_> !dvd
[21:43] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[21:43] <tritium> Esteth: each release is supported for 18 months, unless it's a LTS *long term support*
[21:43] <Esteth> tritium: Thanks 18 months is the figure i was looking for :)
[21:43] <warbisshop> I got a problem with ubuntu gibbon on my Laptop, The boot tiems takes 3-4 mins and i also dont get the loader . with feisty it boats up perfectly and fast Anyone got any idea
[21:43] <tritium> Esteth: #ubuntu+1 will then be dedicated for the next release, hardy heron
[21:44] <aguitel> i have problem with generic wireles card with chipset REALTEK ,anyone helpme?
[21:44] <Esteth> tritium: Okies
[21:44] <Ben_Cs> could it be that installing (although i removed it later) libpam-abl   ruined my ssh server?
[21:45] <lucasvo> hi
[21:45] <lucasvo> I need the mysql module for python
[21:45] <lucasvo> I installed python-mysqldb but apparently that's not the correct one
[21:45] <lucasvo> can anyone help me out?
[21:46] <Slart> lucasvo: you might get better answers in some kind of python channel
[21:46] <Ben_Cs> still having the ssh server problem. didn't have it when run ssh from kubuntu gutsy beta cd. the problem is that when i "ssh localhost" i get nothing. no login, nothing. as if the prog hanges in terminal  any ideas?
[21:46] <Slart> lucasvo: "apt-cache search mysql | grep -i python" might give you some kind of possible candidates
[21:47] <[Ramy]> Arenlor , i have that manager :), so i can use in gutsy because i have it in feisty , but the new features are not there , there is not switcher applet and there is no dialog with the name of Screen and graphics in preferences  , yes AppArmor is installed ?
[21:49] <Gek_> I've followed all the possible direction, instruction, tips that i could find to get dvd playback working
[21:49] <Gek_> still no luck
[21:49] <Arenlor> [Ramy] in gutsy try this run sudo apt-get install apparmor and if it's not installed it'll install it, otherwise it'll let you know it's installed, also try installing fast-user-switch-applet
[21:49] <Ben_Cs> have a question about gutsy: is it a good idea installing gutsy 64bit?
[21:49] <Gek_> !dvd
[21:49] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[21:50] <Gek_> 20071017 15:49 | <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  <--- this does not work
[21:50] <Slart> Ben_Cs: well.. depends on what you want to do with your machine..
[21:51] <Ben_Cs> Slart: i want it to be my main desktop
[21:51] <Gek_> I installed libdvdread3 and re-installed it... .I ran sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh ..... I went to https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html and installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg.
[21:51] <Gek_> still no luck
[21:51] <Arenlor> Gek_ are you running Totem with the xine backend?
[21:51] <Ben_Cs> Slart: i mean when stable gutsy will be out. the question is about the 64bit
[21:51] <Gek_> Yes
[21:52] <Slart> Ben_Cs: with 64-bit you'll get that small increase in power.. but you also have a lot of stuff that needs all kinds of voodoo to work.. (flash, java etc).. 32-bit is a bit more polished
[21:52] <Gek_> About "Movie Player using xine-lib version 1.1.7
[21:52] <lee986321> any one herethat rakubuntu in fiesty? i need to know where that resticted driver icon is at
[21:52] <Gek_> Totem Movie Player 2.20.0
[21:52] <Slart> Ben_Cs: I'm running 64-bit myself.. but if I had to do another install I would seriously consider going 32-bit
[21:52] <Ben_Cs> BTW when's the stable gutsy gonna be out?
[21:53] <Q_Continuum> attempting to use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror to set up a gutsy mirror, but it keeps erroring out.  Have been using this script to mirror Feisty with no issue for months.  Anyone able to help?
[21:53] <Slart> Ben_Cs: tomorrow I think
[21:53] <xenol> when will i be able to update feisty to stable gutsy plz?
[21:53] <Ben_Cs> Slart: u mean progs don't work?
[21:53] <Q_Continuum> Tomorrow is official release date.
[21:53] <ratpoison> Ben_Cs: Personally, I found a huge difference in resourch hogging applications such as in MatLab. If you plan on going for 64bit, think about if you'll be using heavy apps, that have support for 64bit OS's
[21:53] <Slart> Ben_Cs: well.... yes.. you can't install 32-bit flash on a 64-bit browser .. and there is no 64 bit flash yet.. java has some problems, or so I've heard
[21:53] <askand> Compiz is much slower in gutsy than it was in feisty..why could this be_
[21:53] <Gek_> I think DVD playback is a farce
[21:54] <ratpoison> If you decide to actually DO it, I have some pretty good info to help
[21:54] <xenol> Q_Continuum: so tommorrow and can u tell me how to do it plz? just sudo apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[21:54] <Ben_Cs> i see
[21:54] <Arenlor> Gek_ tell me the results of the following sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[21:54] <aguitel> i have problem with generic wireles card with chipset REALTEK ,anyone helpme?
[21:54] <Arenlor> it may be that it's not the newest version
[21:54] <dougb> is it odd that i haven't gotten any system updates in 2 days?
[21:54] <Q_Continuum> xenol, if you run update manager (via gui) it'll walk you through it, I'm not sure on the command-line options to upgrade.
[21:54] <lee986321> i am running 64 bit anfd  dno issues save for having to convert fire fox and of cores thos e bloody ati issues
[21:54] <Arenlor> dougb I don't think so
[21:54] <Gek_> Arenlor, 0 upgraded 0 newly installed  0 00 0 00 0
[21:55] <lee986321> easy
[21:55] <Gek_> totem-xine is already the newest version
[21:55] <Slart> lee986321: I thought ATI had issues regardless of number of bits =)
[21:55] <ratpoison> I'm now using a 64bit browser w/ flash & Java. It's called swiftweasel and you can find it a script made by kilz (or something like that) that guides you through the process effortlessly
[21:55] <Gek_> Arenlor totem-xine is already the newest version
[21:55] <ratpoison> I haven't managed skype yet
[21:55] <ratpoison> :(
[21:55] <xenol> Q_Continuum: so i rather should do it via gui
[21:55] <lee986321> tht comand i......update-manager -d
[21:55] <Arenlor> Gek_ hmm that's odd, I know it works
[21:55] <Slart> ratpoison: I run 32-bit skype.. no problems coexisting on my 64-bit desktop
[21:55] <theAtom> Should I select "Third party software, (archive canicol) in sources.list for latest security updates etc?
[21:55] <Q_Continuum> xenol, that would most likely be easiest, yes.
[21:56] <theAtom> what exactly is the  "Third party software, (archive canicol)?
[21:56] <xenol> Q_Continuum: and apoximately what time tommorrow plz?
[21:56] <Q_Continuum> theAtom, currently all thats in there is VMWare
[21:56] <ratpoison> Slart: How did you do it? did you install the linux32 package?
[21:56] <Gek_> I'm trying to play an actual retail dvd
[21:56] <Gek_> does that matter?
[21:56] <theAtom> Q_Continuum, not true!  Opera is there too
[21:56] <ratpoison> or just get the source ./configure;make;make isntall ?
[21:56] <Slart> ratpoison: I think I downloaded a deb from the skype site.. it's pretty new
[21:56] <Q_Continuum> xenol, not sure.  mirrors are going to be hammered tomorrow - but anytime should work.
[21:56] <lee986321> hmm perfectly fine...um..other os lol
[21:56] <Q_Continuum> theAtom, I hadn't looked in awhile, I forgot about Opera
[21:56] <theAtom> Q_Continuum, I couldt install Opera unless I selected  "Third party software, (archive canicol)
[21:57] <theAtom> Q_Continuum, how can I see whats in there?
[21:57] <ratpoison> well, if the did an update since I last check (and it's been quite a while) then I wouldn't know...
[21:57] <lee986321> any how guys i really need to know where the restricted drivers are
[21:57] <Q_Continuum> theAtom, I'm not sure, offhand.
[21:57] <Arenlor> Gek_ what do you mean by actual retail, if you mean like a movie you bought at a store then no
[21:57] <theAtom> Q_Continuum, well find out man! dont so be unhelpful and lazy :)
[21:57] <lee986321> so that i can test a theory
[21:57] <Gek_> Yes... a movie that I actually bought form a store
[21:57] <Q_Continuum> lol
[21:57] <theAtom> Q_Continuum, you bordering on trolling dude
[21:57] <Q_Continuum> I'm attempting to fix my own issue, then get sleep.  I work in 8 hours.
[21:57] <ratpoison> btw check out the number of typos in my previous sentence....
 theAtom, currently all thats in there is VMWare <-- FALSE!   Q_Continuum> theAtom, I hadn't looked in awhile, <--- TROLLING
[21:58] <Arenlor> lee986321 System > Administration > Restricted Drivers Manager
[21:58] <Q_Continuum> Sorry - that's all that I remembered being in there.
[21:58] <xenol> Q_Continuum: what will u advise me make fresh install or just update feisty?
[21:58] <theAtom> kick Q_Continuum
[21:58] <Arenlor> Gek_ that's odd, I have played multiple movies on here with that
[21:58] <Slart> xenol: I updated from feisty and I had no problems
[21:58] <lee986321> eh i have everything but admenestartation
[21:58] <theAtom> Slart, yipee, lets have a party :)
[21:59] <askand> Compiz is much slower in gutsy than it was in feisty..why could this be? Should I file a bug for it?
[21:59] <theAtom> askand, yes
[21:59] <Arenlor> xenol upgrade is easier and it keeps all your old installs for you, so if you installed thunderbird like I had it automagically updates it for you
[21:59] <lee986321> ooooh sytem not sytem setting der lol
[21:59] <theAtom> askand, think for yourself! come to your OWN conclusions!  Why u need to ask others what you should do???
[22:00] <Arenlor> Amaranth you on?
[22:00] <Gek_> =\
[22:00] <theAtom> Amaranth, is sleeping
[22:00] <xenol> Arenlor:  and will the graphic acceleration be enabled by default? i mean will it run test too if i only update it?
[22:00] <askand> theAtom: terribly sorry for asking...wont happend again..
[22:00] <lee986321> nope don't have it in feisty
[22:00] <theAtom> askand, good :)  think for yourself! come to your OWN conclusions! become a LEADER olf your own life and decisions :)
[22:00] <lee986321> i need it so i can test the up grade theory i have
[22:00] <Arenlor> xenol if you mean compiz then no it's not
[22:00] <Slart> askand: somethings not bolted on properly in the graphics-box in gutsy, me thinks.. according to glxgears my FPS has gone down to 25% of feisty's benchmark
[22:00] <theAtom> askand, no need to be a robot to decisions of others!  think for yourself dude
[22:01] <Esteth> Does gutsy's restricted drivers manager now handle geforce 8800 series cards properly? Feisty's one wouldn't get it right for me
[22:01] <askand> Slart: mine too
[22:01] <Slart> Esteth: it didn't handle my 8800 gtx.. I had to install the driver from nvidias site
[22:01] <_bt> hello, is there a tool to tell me which packages my system has that are not in the default install of gutsy (or any ubuntu)
[22:01] <xenol> Arenlor:  and what that feature of gutsy about graphic desktop? i thought it will be running from beginning or at least try to run =/
[22:02] <Esteth> Slart: OK, looks like i'll be using envy again. I know it's unsupported and it breaks things, but it "works for me" :P
[22:02]  * Slart thinks "failsafe x-windows" means "runs with everything but Slart's graphics card"
[22:02] <Esteth> Slart: Heh
[22:02] <Pici> Esteth: oh no, Slart found out about it!
[22:02] <Slart> Esteth: or install the binary driver from nvidia.. it hasn't given me any problems so far
[22:03] <Arenlor> xenol compiz is simple to get running, you just go to terminal and run apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager then go to System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects and turn it on, XGL runs by default, and if that doesn't work you can go to System > Administration > Restricted Drivers Manager and see if you may need to turn it on
[22:03] <Esteth> Hehe. It's neuralysing time :P
[22:03] <ratpoison> Slart: I have read that fail-safe X mode has caused many headaches
[22:04] <Esteth> beides, who needs failsafe X when we have failsafe terminal? :)
[22:04] <ratpoison> Up till now, you can safely predict it will fail
[22:04] <xenol> Arenlor:  so i will have things for xgl done only i will have to run it alongside with compiz?
[22:04] <ratpoison> Esteth: not many ppl can do vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:04] <lee986321> eh wait, i just looked at something that said open gl
[22:04] <ratpoison> I mistyped the path
[22:04] <ratpoison> but what the heck
[22:04] <xenol> Arenlor: i am running KDE not GNOME, how can i turn it there?
[22:04] <soul9|9> lol
[22:05] <lwizardl> does gutsy have better support for hfs+
[22:05] <lwizardl> ?
[22:05] <Arenlor> xenol xgl automatically runs no matter what, I don't use KDE so I'm not sure
[22:05] <Esteth> ratpoison: Heh, well we should be elitist jerks and tell them to stick with windows if they don't know how to use every command in GNU/Linux from memory
[22:05] <theAtom> when I run rootkithunter, I get the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40981/     ANY IDEAS PLEASE?
[22:05] <soul9|9> ratpoison: and ppl who don't know shouldn't need to learn that crap :-)
[22:05]  * dA_ShArP looks around
[22:05] <xenol> Arenlor: k thx dude bb
[22:06] <Slart> it's like some kind of initiation ritual.. you have to do the nasty stuff to get to ..... "The Cube" (c) =)
[22:06] <ratpoison> yeah, cause linux knowledge is an inherited characteristic
[22:06] <ratpoison> Either you get born with it, or you don't
[22:06] <soul9|9> heh
[22:06] <soul9|9> :-)
[22:06] <Slart> theAtom: updated your system?
[22:06] <soul9|9> grats
[22:06] <soul9|9> whoops
[22:06] <theAtom> Slart, its a new gutsy install and yes, it updated some things.
[22:07] <Esteth> ratpoison: heh. Anything can be learned with time :)
[22:07] <Slart> theAtom: couldn't it be that the files are changed because you updated?
[22:07] <Arenlor> theAtom can you run dir /bin/cat and tell me what the results are?
[22:07] <theAtom> Slart, what are those warnings?  never seen them before today
[22:07] <theAtom> Slart, its a new gutsy install and yes, it updated some things.
[22:07] <theAtom> Slart, what are those warnings?  never seen them before today.  What shall I do now?
[22:07] <lee986321> hmm
[22:08] <[Ramy]> what's the release hour for gutsy ?
[22:08] <theAtom> Arenlor, I type: "run dir /bin/cat" ?
[22:08] <ratpoison> Esteth: I was being sarcastic, sorry for the lack of emoticons :p Anyway, I don't think *anyone* can "learn" quantum mechanics or superstring theory
[22:08] <aguitel> i have problem with generic wireles card with chipset REALTEK ,anyone helpme?
[22:08] <awalton__> [Ramy]: every time someone asks that, it gets bumped an hour.
[22:08] <soul9|9> when its 00:00 in japan u can ask ;-)
[22:08] <ratpoison> just as not anyone can play the piano like a virtuoso, or become a plumber
[22:08] <Arenlor> theAtom no just dir /bin/cat
[22:08]  * dA_ShArP says time is 2:40 AM here
[22:08] <dA_ShArP> ;)
[22:09] <theAtom> Arenlor, it says: /bin/cat
[22:09] <theAtom>  dir /bin/cat
[22:09] <theAtom> /bin/cat
[22:09] <ratpoison> well, it's 9 in Japan I think
[22:09] <Seveas> dA_ShArP, release managers live in europe. They have to wake up and prepare first. expect at least 12 hours to go
[22:09] <ratpoison> because its 00:00 in Greece
[22:09] <Slart> what is the "dir /bin/cat" supposed to do?
[22:09] <ratpoison> :)
[22:09] <dA_ShArP> Seveas, ;)
[22:09] <Arenlor> dir /bin/cat shows that /bin/cat is there
[22:10] <theAtom> Seveas, when I run rootkithunter, I get the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40981/     ANY IDEAS PLEASE?
[22:10] <Seveas> theAtom, no ideas from me today -- preparing for release chaos
[22:10] <theAtom> Seveas, is my gutsy infected?
[22:10] <theAtom> Seveas, rootkithunter says:  /bin/bash                                                [ Warning ]
[22:10] <theAtom>     /bin/cat                                                 [ Warning ]
[22:10] <theAtom> etc
[22:11] <theAtom> Seveas, any need to worry?  its a NEW gutsy install
[22:11] <[Ramy]> awalton__ , can u explain ?
[22:11]  * dA_ShArP asks: Any gamers?
[22:11]  * Slart is a gamer
[22:11] <dA_ShArP> Slart: what do you play
[22:11] <dA_ShArP> ?
[22:12] <awalton__> [Ramy], it's a joke, that question gets asked about twice an hour.
[22:12] <Slart> well.. tremulous, ET and windows =)
[22:12] <dA_ShArP> Slart: Counter Strike 1.6??
[22:12] <awalton__> [Ramy]: download and install it now, it's not going to change in the next 24 hours significantly.
[22:12] <theAtom> Arenlor, ???
[22:12] <Slart> I'm a gamer.. not a lunatic ;)
[22:12] <Arenlor> theAtom did you install rkhunter before updating the system?
[22:12] <dA_ShArP> Slart: ;)
[22:12] <theAtom> Arenlor, yes
[22:13] <theAtom> Arenlor, think so, not 100% certain
[22:13] <[Ramy]> what's the command line for the "Screen and Graphics preferences" dialog ?
[22:13] <theAtom> Arenlor, what shall I do now?
[22:13] <[Ramy]> awalton__ , the RC1 is removed from repositories !!!
[22:13] <Arenlor> theAtom apt-get remove --purge rkhunter then reinstall it and run it again see if it does the same thing
[22:13] <Slart> [Ramy]: gksu displayconfig-gtk
[22:13] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok brb
[22:14] <ratpoison> what's the difference between gksu and gksudo ?
[22:14] <Arenlor> ratpoison probably the difference between su and sudo
[22:15] <ratpoison> which one is more preferable?
[22:15] <Slart> ratpoison: it's in the man-page.. I saw it there today.. don't remember it though
[22:15] <Arenlor> probably if you are "su"ing you run gksu and if you are just wanting to sudo you gksudo
[22:15] <Slart> !gksu
[22:15] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using « sudo <GUI-application> » - See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[22:15] <Slart> !gksudo
[22:16] <theAtom> Arenlor, thanks :)  that fixed it :)  no more warnings from rkhunter
[22:16] <Arenlor> theAtom in that case it was just that you had update
[22:16] <theAtom> Arenlor, however, were those warnings anything to worry about in first place?  or it was due to systen updating?
[22:16] <[Ramy]> Wow, bcz i installed ubuntu Studio desktop i can't see the new features of gutsy like gksu displayconfig-gtk !!! i have to get the ubuntu desktop .
[22:17] <theAtom> Arenlor, now rkhunter only gives one warning still:  Checking for hidden files and directories                [ Warning ]
[22:17] <theAtom> Arenlor, any ideas about that one?
[22:17] <Arenlor> with the /dev thing?
[22:17] <theAtom> the /dev thing?
[22:17] <Slart> got to love an application that acts like a worried mother.. no specifics.. but watch out =)
[22:17] <Arenlor> in the part that checks /dev
[22:18] <theAtom> Arenlor, what u mean?
[22:18] <Gek_> gg... vlc plays videos
[22:18] <theAtom> Performing filesystem checks
[22:18] <ApocZA> ok, so I know like 1000 people have probably asked this: at what time in what timezone is gutsy being released?
[22:18] <theAtom>     Checking /dev for suspicious file types                  [ None found ]
[22:18] <theAtom>     Checking for hidden files and directories                [ Warning ]
[22:18] <Gek_> vlc plays dvds
[22:18] <theAtom> Aranel, in part tyhat says; Performing filesystem checks
[22:18] <Gek_> Totem does not
[22:18] <Gek_> wtf why
[22:18] <Aranel> theAtom: ?
[22:19] <theAtom> Aranel, any ideas?
[22:19] <Arenlor> theAtom yes that part, I got the same thing while running it on my install
[22:19] <Gek_> Arenlor vlc plays dvds... totem does not
[22:19] <Gek_> what gives?
[22:19] <Pici> ApocZA: topic
[22:19] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok! no need to worry then
[22:19] <Slart> ApocZA: I haven't seen one serious answer to that question so far.. if someone knew they would probably put it in the title-thingy
[22:19] <Arenlor> Gek_ not sure
[22:19] <theAtom> Arenlor, check your messages.  did u get that?
[22:19] <Gek_> gxine does not either
[22:19] <ApocZA> ye, the lame script countdown on the site uses local system time
[22:20] <ApocZA> instead of an absalute date and time
[22:20] <Gek_> xine engine faied to start... no demuxer found - stream format not recognised
[22:20] <theAtom> Slart, define "serious"
[22:20] <theAtom> Arenlor, you get my preivate message?
[22:20] <Arenlor> theAtom no
[22:20] <pvandewyngaerde> i still have a crash when kopete tries to connect to msn
[22:20] <ApocZA> well, I am happy to report I got samba working today
[22:20] <Slart> theAtom: serious as in, "I'm pushing the release button in 1h48m"
[22:21] <ApocZA> and compiz fusion extra's
[22:21] <theAtom> Aranel, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40989/
[22:21] <theAtom> Aranel, does ytours show the same as this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40989/
[22:21] <Arenlor> theAtom please check your log file
[22:21] <addos> is there anyway to encrypt the harddrive from gutsy livecd installer?
[22:21] <Aranel> theAtom: "Aranlor" . Not Aranel please.
[22:21] <theAtom> Aranel, does ytours show the same as this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40989/    Yes or No?
[22:22] <Gek_> Arenlor http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=537047
[22:22] <theAtom> Arenlor, where?
[22:22] <Gek_> Arenlor http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=537047   <----that fixed it!!!!
[22:22] <Arenlor> Gek_ that's awesome
[22:22] <comicinker> hi!
[22:22] <Arenlor> theAtom after the whole thing finishes it tells you where
[22:22] <theAtom> Arenlor, no it doesnt
[22:23] <theAtom> Arenlor, no mention at all about the warning
[22:23] <Zapt> hi
[22:23] <comicinker> i postet a bug about scim and xgl. does someone had the same experience?
[22:23] <comicinker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/153731
[22:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153731 in xserver-xgl "scim is not available using desktop effects" [Undecided,New]
[22:23] <addos> is there anyway to encrypt the harddrive from gutsy livecd installer?
[22:23] <comicinker> can somebody confirm that bug?
[22:23] <Gek_> can someone add '!' commands?!?!?!?!?!
[22:24] <addos> comicinker: did you try #ubuntu-bugs
[22:24] <Arenlor> theAtom hold on a minute while I see where the log file is located by default
[22:25] <lwizardl> does gutsy support hfs+
[22:26] <awalton__> lwizardl mounts my mac drives fine, so that's a "yes"
[22:27] <silent> where do I set default programs for file extensions?
[22:27] <Arenlor> theAtom open /var/log/rkhunter.log and find the part that has it in there about line 1100 and see what it puts out as being the warning, you could also run a search for the word warning and find what it says
[22:27] <lwizardl> awalton__, ok because I can not get 7.04 to read mine always says unformated
[22:28] <ratpoison> silent: right click and find tab open with
[22:28] <lwizardl> awalton__, but my windows xp with macdrive7 and my xbox360 read the drive perfectly so I know it has a partition on it
[22:28] <awalton__> odd.
[22:28] <Cryoniq> What time will the final release be available for download? GMT 00:00?
[22:29] <awalton__> Cryoniq: every time someone asks, they push it back an hour ;)
[22:29] <silent> ratpoison, things still open with totem if I select vlc
[22:29] <Cryoniq> eeek 0o
[22:29] <Cryoniq> :)
[22:29] <ratpoison> sorry, I wasn't specific enough
[22:29] <ratpoison> silent: Right click, properties
[22:29] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok brb
[22:30] <silent> thanks
[22:30] <soul9|9> when is the iso released? *24
[22:30] <soul9|9> now, that's better
[22:30] <theAtom> Arenlor, Could not open the file /var/log/rkhunter.log.
[22:30] <Cryoniq> But admit it.. the 18th is the real x-mas this year. ^^
[22:31] <Arenlor> theAtom run this in the terminal sudo nano /var/log/rkhunter.log
[22:31] <theAtom> ok brb
[22:31] <lwizardl> awalton__, whats did you have to install to get it to read? i have hfsplus & hfsutils
[22:32] <awalton__> worked out of box for me
[22:32] <theAtom> Arenlor, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40994/
[22:32] <lwizardl> awalton__, in gutsy?
[22:32] <awalton__> lwizardl yes
[22:32] <Arenlor> theAtom nothing to worry about in that case
[22:32] <lwizardl> ok then looks like i can wait for the release
[22:33] <theAtom> Arenlor, u get the same???
[22:33] <theAtom> Arenlor, what are these:  Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.static ???
[22:33] <soul9|9> you better
[22:33] <Arenlor> theAtom open nautilus and go to your home directory then press Ctrl+h
[22:33] <theAtom> yes. now?
[22:34] <Arenlor> notice all the hidden directories which have . before their name?
[22:34] <theAtom> yes I see them
[22:34] <Arenlor> if you go to /dev you will see .static as one of the hidden files
[22:34] <Arenlor> that's all it means
[22:34] <theAtom> so why does rootkithunter warn me about Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.static etc?
[22:34] <Arenlor> because rootkits try to hide that way
[22:34] <theAtom> it warns only about 3 dir
[22:34] <Arenlor> it check /dev for hidden directories because it's a common way for rootkits to hide
[22:35] <theAtom>  Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.static   Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.udev  Warning: Hidden directory found: /dev/.initramfs
[22:35] <mon^rch> hey peeps... my kde icon themes are VERY incomplete... do I have to do an install tomorrow to get what Im after, or will I simply just have to update/upgrade my RC?
[22:35] <theAtom> Arenlor, any need to worry about those 3 dirs?
[22:35] <Arenlor> theAtom nope
[22:35] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok cheers
[22:35] <theAtom> Arenlor, does rkhunter show u the exact same?
[22:36] <Arenlor> theAtom yes and it has /dev/.java to because I have sun Java installed
[22:36] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok~!  java? why u need that?
[22:36] <Arenlor> theAtom, because I use java applications
[22:36] <theAtom> java apps like what?
[22:37] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi all.  I had the stock bcm43xx blacklisted under feisty.  Is it still broken in Gutsy?
[22:37] <theAtom> wow a nerdy girl :)
[22:37] <Arenlor> theAtom, like stuff not appropriate to mention on here
[22:37] <nerdygirl_ellie> :D
[22:37]  * awalton__ clicks stopwatch
[22:37] <Arenlor> nerdygirl_ellie no it's not
[22:37] <awalton__> approximately one minute -_-
[22:38] <nerdygirl_ellie> Yeah!!!! no more ndiswrapper!!!!  Yeah!!!
[22:38]  * nerdygirl_ellie dances.
[22:38] <theAtom> Arenlor, like kid p0rn?
[22:38] <soul9|9> :-)
[22:38] <Arenlor> theAtom no
[22:38] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok
[22:39] <theAtom> Arenlor, ok, understood
[22:39] <theAtom> is java installed on gutsy by default?
[22:39] <Slart> don't think so
[22:39] <soul9|9> i'd hope not
[22:39] <Arenlor> theAtom no it isn't
[22:39] <theAtom> ok
[22:40] <theAtom> bye for now
[22:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> theAtom: it isn't completely open source, so it won't be.
[22:40] <nerdygirl_ellie> ... universe or commercial should have it.
[22:40] <BluesKaj> java will prolly be in kde/konq
[22:40] <Slart> isn't there a gnu java?
[22:40] <soul9|9> gcj
[22:40] <Arenlor> Slart, no idea, just know I needed java for some of my applications that I use and so I installed it
[22:41] <BluesKaj> java is pervasive , whether ppl like it or not it's needed in a lot of apps and websites
[22:42] <Arenlor> I think azureus needs it
[22:42] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:42] <soul9|9> there is also an opensource java plugin
[22:42] <nerdygirl_ellie> BluesKaj: yes, but it's not open source, so it's not in the main repository.  ditto mscorefonts, ditto flash, ditto adobe reader, etc
[22:42] <soul9|9> I wonder why ubuntu doesn't have it
[22:42] <Arenlor> what I want to know is why did theAtom jump straight to asking if it was needed for kiddie pron
[22:43] <soul9|9> lol
[22:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> That's what universe is for, for packages that work on ubuntu and are available, but are not supported by canonical.
[22:43] <nerdygirl_ellie> supported meaning that canonical can help you install them, but they can't fix any bugs inside them, they have to hand them off upstream.
[22:43] <Davy_Jones> is ubuntu 7.10 out yet? it says 00 days to go
[22:44] <soul9|9> then it is
[22:44] <soul9|9> lol
[22:44] <awalton__> tomorrow it's going to say -1 days to go.
[22:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> You can get it now, but it is still pre-release.  should be any day.
[22:44] <Slart> Davy_Jones: go have a drink in #ubuntu-release-party .. they know
[22:44] <Davy_Jones> heh
[22:44] <soul9|9> it's just using your computer's watch, so i guess today's release day
[22:44] <nerdygirl_ellie> update-manager -d will install the prerelease.
[22:44] <Davy_Jones> Slart: oh cool, i didn't know there is a party
[22:45] <nerdygirl_ellie> Gotta go,  thanks for the help all.
[22:45] <LiMaO> hey, gutsy is already available for some people, isn't it?
[22:45] <Slart> Davy_Jones: well.. there's an irc-channel at least.. I guess it counts for something =)
[22:45] <soul9|9> i have gutsy installed
[22:45] <Slart> LiMaO: you can install gutsy right now.. but it'll be the latest pre-release
[22:45] <Arenlor> a lot of people keeps asking if gutsy is out yet so it keeps getting pushed back one hour at a time
[22:46] <soul9|9> it's already due in 2 weeks
[22:46] <soul9|9> now
[22:46]  * Slart checks the calendar, we're looking at a releast some time in february.. 2047
[22:46] <soul9|9> the counter can't keep up
[22:46] <BluesKaj> final release is 8-9 hrs from now ...everywhere , or so goes the latest rumour :)
[22:46] <LiMaO> Slart: i mean, because of timezones, it's already 18th in some places.. is final available for them already?
[22:46] <Slart> LiMaO: I don't think so
[22:46] <soul9|9> lol
[22:47] <BluesKaj> patience  :)
[22:47] <Slart> where is Canonicals headquarters? UK somewhere?
[22:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:47] <Arenlor> BluesKaj you forgot to count in the fact that every time someone asks if it's out yet it goes back an hour
[22:47] <kekZpriester> how do i disable one core of a core duo while system is running?
[22:47] <BluesKaj> Arenlor, oops :)
[22:47] <Davy_Jones> ya, they should respect time differences
[22:47] <LiMaO> [19:44:01] <Davy_Jones> is ubuntu 7.10 out yet? it says 00 days to go
[22:47] <LiMaO> lol, i just saw that people were already talking about that
[22:48] <LiMaO> hehe
[22:48] <Arenlor> 00 days does not mean 00 hours
[22:48] <Slart> kekZpriester: you can do that?.. that sounds.. dangerous
[22:48] <kekZpriester> Slart, i don't know...
[22:48] <Arenlor> with 23 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds left you have 00 days
[22:48] <hydrogen> no
[22:48] <hydrogen> thats one day
[22:48] <soul9|9> kekZpriester: i don't think so
[22:49] <kekZpriester> well, if i can't while system is running, is there another way but recompiling the kernel?
[22:49] <soul9|9> yes
[22:49] <soul9|9> disable smp
[22:49] <Slart> Arenlor: they could be rounding to the nearest week.. and we would die, sitting in front of our computers.. waiting... =)
[22:49] <soul9|9> some bioses have that option too
[22:49] <BluesKaj> does anyone here have the 64 bit gutsy version installed on a pc with elcheapo ati x200 graphics, like I have ?
[22:49] <Arenlor> mine still says 01 days to go lol
[22:49] <Smegzor> I want to remote to my file server but keep getting max sessions reached (from XDMCP).  What file do I need to edit to raise the connection limit?
[22:51] <kekZpriester> is there a kernel cheatcode to disalbe smp?
[22:51] <soul9|9> BluesKaj: is the 64bit version worth it?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> <--- tried the 64bit version of tribe 3-4-5 , none would even boot past the menu scrn
[22:51] <soul9|9> kekZpriester: google?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> dunno soul9|9 , that was going to be my follow-up question
[22:51] <soul9|9> yes
[22:52] <soul9|9> gg: howto disable smp
[22:52] <soul9|9> ex.: ^
[22:53] <Arenlor> the party has gone nicely insane
[22:53]  * Slart would like a god-mode for his desktop.. crash.. ha.. not me.. godmode=1 ;)
[22:55] <kekZpriester> soul9|9, given ubuntu has the same cheatcodes as grml it should do with 'nosmp', thx. (sry for my lazyness coming out this late in the evening)
[22:55] <soul9|9>  
[22:56] <soul9|9> kekZpriester: :-) np
[22:56] <MtJB> i am having trouble connecting wireless laptop ath0 interface with gutsy gibbon, still works fine with feisty fawn
[22:58] <DanaG> Argh, I hate that godawful NVIDIA blinking, when it's happening.
[22:58] <DanaG> But it only happens sometimes.
[22:59] <Slart> Nvidia blinking?
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> MtJB: what wireless card?
[22:59] <MtJB> atheros
[22:59] <MtJB> in an hp laptop
[23:00] <MtJB> no wep, no wap, just plain jane connection
[23:00] <MtJB> i am using wifi-radar to connect on both
[23:00] <MtJB> maybe i shouldnt use wifi-radar with gutsy
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> MtJB: does "iwlist ath0 scan" give you anything?
[23:01] <MtJB> nosrednaekim   one moment please, i will restart into gutsy and check
[23:02] <siriusnova> its getting hot in hurr
[23:02] <siriusnova> so take of tuxe's clothes
[23:02] <siriusnova> is it just me or have there been a lack of updates to Gutsy in the past day or so
[23:03] <kevinO> there probably just finishing up with the updated for the release
[23:03] <kevinO> updates*
[23:03] <siriusnova> ive been using the Release Candidate
[23:03] <siriusnova> and just doing a dist-upgrade
[23:03] <kevinO> same here
[23:03] <siriusnova> and in the past day there have been 0 updates
[23:04] <kevinO> i installed from the tribe cd, and upgraded another one from feisty
[23:04] <Slart> perhaps they got finished early and decided to open the champagne =)
[23:04] <siriusnova> lol
[23:04] <kevinO> :)
[23:05] <DanaG> Ubuntu is still my primary OS, but I'm curious: does anybody else have any recommendations for good distros to install in VMs, just for the fun of it?
[23:05] <chrisw> in gutsy, how can you tell if aiglx is working?
[23:05] <episodic> hey someone just told me to switch here about spinning the cube in compiz
[23:05] <hetauma> episodic, what about it ?
[23:05] <Slart> DanaG: I've heard good things about sabayonne.. or however it's spelled
[23:05] <soul9|9>  chrisw: if you have fancy effects you got it
[23:06]  * DanaG can't stand compile times on Gentoo-based things.
[23:06] <episodic> I've got compiz and the extra pack downloaded to change the options
[23:06] <soul9|9> basically if you have nvidia or intel graphics, i think
[23:06] <MtJB> nosrednaekim, yes, iwlist ath0 scan shows me the the router, essid, mode, key, etc
[23:06] <Arenlor> episodic how many desktops do you have set?
[23:06] <chrisw> yeah I have compiz, just that can't find anything to do with aiglx in xorg
[23:06] <episodic> but it doesn't spin - it just looks like a flipping pancake
[23:06] <episodic> I have 4 in a long row
[23:06] <episodic> I tried 2x2 as well
[23:06] <DanaG> Just about the only things I ever self-compile are kernels and ALSA drivers.
[23:06] <episodic> everything else works, expose, etc
[23:06] <chrisw> screen black's out for 10 seconds before compiz work's and that didnt happen in 7.04
[23:06] <DanaG> Fedora?  Mandriva?  What else?
[23:06] <Arenlor> try 4 columns with 1 desktop 1 row
[23:07] <episodic> thats what I have
[23:07] <episodic> exactly - just looked
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> MtJB: and network manager doesn't show anything?
[23:07] <soul9|9> look in the options, disable desktop wall, enable desktop cube and rotate modules
[23:07] <episodic> when I click on another desktop it is kinda like flipping a quarter - but no rotating cube
[23:07] <episodic> ok
[23:07] <MtJB> nosrednaekim:  checking
[23:08] <hetauma> episodic, maybe play around with the speed etc win rotate cube ?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> MtJB: run "sudo iwconfig ath0 ESSID <your essid>" then "sudo dhclient ath0"
[23:08] <soul9|9> oh, if you have 2 dfesktops its a flipping quarter
[23:08] <episodic> i have 4 though
[23:08] <episodic> I'm sure
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> MtJB: and see if that gives you anything.. I have to go
[23:08] <thedonvaughn> episodic: it's ok the cube is over rated :)
[23:08] <MtJB> tjamls. mpsredmaelo,
[23:08] <MtJB> wow
[23:08] <MtJB> thanks, nosrednaekim :)
[23:08] <hetauma> episodic, using alt+ctrl+left mouse u can see the cube though?
[23:08] <soul9|9> in a bash script how can i get the argument of the script?
[23:08] <thedonvaughn> hetauma: he sees it as if he only has 2 desktops
[23:08] <MtJB> hehehe fingers on the right rows help
[23:08] <thedonvaughn> just flips
[23:09] <thedonvaughn> i know what's he's talking about.
[23:09] <episodic> desktop wall disabled desktop cube enabled rotate cube enabled
[23:09] <episodic> the alt+ctrl+leftmouse does nothing
[23:09] <Slart> soul9|9: isn't it something like %1, %2 etc?
[23:09] <thedonvaughn> episodic: possibly restart compiz? have you verified you ahve 4 diff desktops?  i.e. place windows on them to test or something
[23:09] <Slart> soul9|9: or $1, $2 etc
[23:10] <Arenlor> episodic press alt+ctrl+down and see how many panels you see
[23:10] <MtJB> the dhclient connected me almost immediately, thanks
[23:10] <soul9|9> Slart: it's fine till $2 but then no, i don't get $3 :-/
[23:11] <Slart> soul9|9: huh? I thought the limit was somewhere around 20... hang on ... I'll check
[23:11] <soul9|9> well, actually this is rc, so it may just be an improvement
[23:11] <Smegzor> DanaG, I like damn small linux and knoppix under virtualbox or vmware.
[23:11] <soul9|9> i don't know what they use..
[23:11] <soul9|9> Slart^
[23:11] <Truman_> Hey, I recently went ahead and updated to gutsy .. everything worked fine (well, sort of) but now when I boot, I'm missing both the top and bottom bars (the application one at the top, and the bar that has all of the open windows at the bottom) .. anyone else have a similar problem?
[23:11] <episodic> I have 4
[23:12] <episodic> alt ctrl down
[23:12] <episodic> I can see three - then I have to go over to see the 4th
[23:12] <episodic> but there are 4
[23:12] <Slart> soul9|9: well.. it worked here.. using sh
[23:13] <episodic> when I do windows key and e all 4 are there (expose)
[23:13] <Slart> soul9|9: are you sure you're running the script with bash? it might be sh or some other exotic shell
[23:13] <Matic`Makovec> Hey there. Where can I access the options of compiz-fusion?
[23:13] <Arenlor> episodic System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Settings Manager > General > Desktop Size and set it to 4 horizontal 1 vert 1 desktop and see just to make sure
[23:14] <Slart> Matic`Makovec: System, Preferences, Appearance
[23:14] <Matic`Makovec> Slart, I can only enable the effect there...or am I missing out a button?
[23:14] <Arenlor> Matic`Makovec System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Settings Manager if you have it turned in the the Visual Effects section of where Slart said
[23:14] <episodic> Im there arenlor - and everything is as you said
[23:15] <Arenlor> Matic`Makovec do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[23:15] <Matic`Makovec> Oh, alright. I'll try to find that. Thank you Arenlor
[23:15] <kevinO> episodic, you have to set your number of desktops to 4
[23:15] <Matic`Makovec> I must check that one actually
[23:15] <kevinO> oops that was a little late
[23:15] <Arenlor> kevinO no you don't
[23:15] <kevinO> sorry, my scroller was way back in the conversation
[23:15] <episodic> yes, I'm sure it is 4
[23:16] <episodic> (not an expert - but have been in linux since mandrake 8)
[23:16] <Arenlor> I have 4 horizontal and 1 vert and 1 desktop and it works fine for me
[23:16] <episodic> it is 4 1 and 1
[23:16] <episodic> ive read tutorials, etc. all say it should be working
[23:16] <kevinO> i remember having that problem once and I had to change the horizontal # to 4
[23:17] <episodic> I'll try
[23:17] <Arenlor> episodic flipping like a pancake is what happens when you only have two horizontal which is really odd
[23:17] <kolby> I can't waituntil midnight ^^
[23:17] <episodic> yea
[23:17] <episodic> I may have messed it up
[23:17] <episodic> I downloaded the gnome compiz manager from the repositories
[23:17] <Arenlor> kolby 36 hours and 42 minutes left until they are past their deadline
[23:18] <episodic> instead of the one I have now
[23:18] <kolby> lol!
[23:18] <episodic> (the correct one)
[23:18] <soul9|9> night all
[23:18] <kolby> oh....   I'm not sure.
[23:18] <episodic> I'm guess that might have borked it
[23:18] <kolby> Arenlor better not be onto something
[23:18] <kolby> episodic:  well... if all else fails there's the fresh install option
[23:19] <Aishiko> OK, I have a question!  I have a GeForce FX 5500, 256MB DDR, AGP video card, what driver do I need to install? glx? glx-legacy? glx-new? or someother driver package?  you know to use the it for things like games under wine, etc.
[23:19] <Arenlor> kolby lol I just calculated based on the time and that 00 days left still allows for 23 hours 59 mins and 59 seconds that in the last time zone they have that long
[23:19] <kolby> Arenlor: oh...
[23:20] <kolby> Arenlor: I still hope it's on time ^^
[23:20] <Arenlor> episodic uninstall compiz and emerald if you have it installed, disable any third party repos and then reinstall it all
[23:20] <Arenlor> kolby me too, and they have plenty of time to do it with too is the thing
[23:20] <episodic> I didn't mess with emeald
[23:20] <episodic> I'll try
[23:20] <Flare183> So I just have to upgrade using the same way you do the beta (kubuntu interface)
[23:20] <Flare183> ?
[23:20] <dorkface> Gutsy seems to not cooperate with sound.  Other than messing with the volume controls, what should be the first step in troubleshooting sound problems?
[23:21] <Slart> dorkface: it worked in feisty?
[23:21] <dorkface> yeah
[23:21] <Aishiko> nvm got an answer.
[23:21] <Truman1> Apparently pidgin is prone to freezing too :\ .. has anyone had a similar experience with the top and bottom bars disappearing in gutsy?
[23:21] <Slart> dorkface: hmm.. and gutsy hasn't reset some kind of volume control? checked that your soundcard is listed in /proc/asound/cards ?
[23:22] <Arenlor> Truman1 yes but that was fixed with an update and I've never had pidgin freeze on me in the entire time I've been using it, which is since Feisty and now in Gutsy
[23:22] <kevinO> pidgin has been quite reliable for me as well
[23:22] <Truman1> Arenlor: Pidgin isn't my biggest problem right now .. it seems to work fine when gutsy is behaving
[23:23] <Arenlor> Truman1 are you using compiz?
[23:23] <Truman1> I think it has to do with my other problem -- when I boot, both my top applications-n-stuff bar and my bottom what's-open-n-stuff disappear
[23:23] <dorkface> Slart: it says the command is not found, and it isn't a directory, but "card0" is
[23:23] <Truman1> yes, but they still don't come back if I go back to plain ol' gnome
[23:24] <Arenlor> Truman1 did you have compiz before you upgraded to Gutsy?
[23:24] <Slart> dorkface: oh.. it's not a command.. it's a file.. kind of ... try "cat /proc/asound/cards"
[23:24] <Truman1> Arenlor: Yeah
[23:24] <Arenlor> Truman1 uninstall it get rid of the thirdparty repo you installed it from and reinstall it, Gutsy comes with a working version
[23:25] <dorkface> Slart: seems like it recognizes it
[23:25] <Truman1> Arenlor: Alright, worth a shot -- thanks
[23:25] <dorkface> Slart: It has a irq and a DMA address on it
[23:25] <dorkface> bah, redundancy :\
[23:26] <episodic> uninstalling and reinstalling was a no go - still flipping pancakes
[23:26] <Slart> dorkface: hmm.. so alsa knows about the card.. no sounds at all are playing? you've checked the volume controls? no intro sound?
[23:26] <Slart> dorkface: what kind of soundcard is it?
[23:27] <dorkface> Slart: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[23:27] <Arenlor> episodic do you have the workspace switcher applet on your panel?
[23:28] <Slart> dorkface: did you have to do anything special to get it to work under feisty?
[23:28] <dorkface> well, this is a dell laptop that came with fiesty
[23:28] <Slart> dorkface: preinstalled?
[23:29] <dorkface> Slart: probably not, I had to set the language, partitions, etc.  But I don't remember doing anything special.
[23:29] <Truman1> Arenlor: I went ahead and removed all of compiz & restarted X, but I still don't have bars
[23:30] <Arenlor> Truman1 do you have them set to auto-hide?
[23:30] <Truman1> Arenlor: Nope, and if I move my mouse around the top and bottom of the screen, they don't pop up or anything
[23:31] <Arenlor> Truman1 run a terminal and in it just type "gnome-panel" and see what happens
[23:31] <Truman1> already running
[23:31] <Slart> dorkface: tried googling for the chip model + ubuntu? see if there are any HOWTO's out there?
[23:31] <Truman1> Arenlor: erm, already running
[23:32] <episodic> Yes I have the workspace switcher
[23:32] <episodic> applet
[23:32] <episodic> is that a problem?
[23:32] <Truman1> Arenlor: Aha!  They come back if I kill it and restart them
[23:32] <Arenlor> Truman1 ok try this, restart X and then make sure to choose GNOME not any xgl script sessions
[23:32] <Truman1> alright
[23:33] <Arenlor> episodic how many workspaces are shown
[23:33] <episodic> when I'm in rotate cube/actions/general/initiate/it says disabled when I click on it it says new accelerator
[23:33] <episodic> arenlor - 4 spaces
[23:33] <Truman1> Arenlor: Now when I've restarted X, they come back just fine
[23:33] <dorkface> Slart: Does it matter that I didn't dist-ugrade?  I wanted a clean start and used a gutsy iso of kubuntu that I burned to a cd.
[23:34] <pwnt-> how do I update my repos for sympatic & apt-get to the new ones?
[23:34] <Arenlor> Truman1 make sure not to sue an xgl script session, it warns it could make your system FUBAR if you do
[23:34] <Slart> dorkface: nah... I don't think it would have made a big difference.. the upgrade messed up my audio settings so I don't think you would have gotten away easier
[23:34] <Arenlor> pwnt- did you upgrade already?
[23:34] <pwnt-> Arenlor: upgrade to what?
[23:35] <dorkface> Slart: ah, ok
[23:35] <Truman1> Arenlor: I don't even know what that is so I don't think I am, unless that's some part of compiz
[23:35] <Arenlor> pwnt- gutsy
[23:35] <pwnt-> Arenlor: yeah long ago I did. the gutsy beta that is.
[23:35] <Arenlor> pwnt- then just run apt-get update
[23:36] <Arenlor> or click refresh on synaptic
[23:36] <pwnt-> Arenlor: but today there was no updates for me. I think something wrong especialy that gutsy is releasing final tomorrow. I was thinking today would be a huge massive updates of everything.. but didn't happen
[23:36] <Arenlor> pwnt- everyone is worried about that, but no, no updates at all for over a day for anyone
[23:36] <pwnt-> Arenlor: does apt-get update comes first? or apt-get upgrade?
[23:36] <Dr_willis> a Huge update the day befor - is a scary idea
[23:36] <Arenlor> apt-get update comes first and they suggest instead of upgrade you use dist-upgrade
[23:37] <pwnt-> Arenlor: why tho?
[23:37] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I was going to install ubuntu last week but was told wait untill tomorrow as the gusty final release will be released. Has the schedule changed or I can expect to be able to dowload it tomorrow, thanks
[23:37] <Arenlor> episodic when you log in do you use an xlg script for your session or do you use GNOME?
[23:37] <pwnt-> Arenlor: so its "sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade" Like that?
[23:37] <episodic> gdm
[23:37] <Arenlor> yes pwnt-
[23:37] <slackern> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:37] <riotkittie> K_Dallas: it will be released sometime on the 18th
[23:37] <K_Dallas> riotkittie, excellent, thank you
[23:38] <Arenlor> K_Dallas it'll be up within 36 and a half hours
[23:38] <K_Dallas> Arenlor, good. i am going to install it on the weekened anyways but i could start downloading before that, hopefully
[23:39] <Arenlor> episodic on the workspace switcher applet you said it had 4 workspaces right?
[23:39] <episodic> yea
[23:39] <Arenlor> all 4 horizontal right?
[23:39] <episodic> yep
[23:39] <Bauldrick> why is openoffice starting up as ubuntu when im on kubuntu?
[23:39] <Arenlor> ok try this, turn on the Desktop Wall instead and see if all 4 are used by that
[23:39] <episodic> ok
[23:41] <episodic> yea the wall works perfect
[23:41] <episodic> with and without a window going from desktop to desktop
[23:41] <Arenlor> all 4 of them?
[23:41] <episodic> yes
[23:41] <Arenlor> enable ONLY the cube now
[23:41] <episodic> ok
[23:41] <Arenlor> not the rotate cube
[23:42] <Arenlor> and then use the workspace switcher to switch between all four
[23:42] <episodic> ok when I enabled the cube
[23:42] <episodic> the wall disabled
[23:42] <Dr_willis> Bauldrick,  you might want to clarify that a bit. It made no sence to me.
[23:42] <episodic> now the workspace switcher applet
[23:42] <episodic> does not work at all
[23:42] <Arenlor> good
[23:42] <Arenlor> that's what I was looking for
[23:42] <Arenlor> now enable the Rotate Cube
[23:43] <episodic> ok
[23:43] <Arenlor> and then switch using the switcher for all four
[23:43] <episodic> you mean select other desktops?
[23:43] <Arenlor> yes
[23:43] <episodic> back to same ole pancake flippin
[23:44] <Bauldrick> Openoffice should start with a blue splash screen in Kubuntu? I'm getting a yellow splash screen with the Ubuntu logo - im on kubuntu gutsy very latest
[23:44] <Arenlor> ok go to each desktop and open something on each one that is unique and try switching between them
[23:44] <episodic> ok done
[23:45] <Dr_willis> Bauldrick,  you are worried about the splash artwork? :) cant say that i ever even noticed it. I tend to install ubuntu + kubuntu desktop.  I imagine the OO pakcage maintainer just used the Ubuntu artwork.
[23:45] <episodic> same thing
[23:45] <administrator> anyone can tell me if gutsy will have an auto program to install hardware
[23:45] <administrator> that is drivers from the manufacturer?
[23:45] <Dr_willis> i just see a brown Openoffice splash real fast..golly that loaded fast.
[23:45] <MurielGodoi> In my feisty I have some problem to suspend/resume when compiz is enabled. Anyone knows if that was fixed in Gusty?
[23:46] <Bauldrick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ooo.png
[23:46] <Bauldrick> no im not worried atall
[23:46] <Arenlor> episodic minimize all the windows, go into the cube settings and go to the transparent cube tab and turn down the Opacity When not Rotating
[23:46] <Arenlor> tell me if you see a cube design there
[23:47] <episodic> done
[23:47] <Arenlor> does it look like a cube?
[23:47] <episodic> no cube
[23:48] <episodic> just makes the windows solid black
[23:48] <episodic> when I bring the opacity back up
[23:48] <episodic> my wallpaper comes back
[23:49] <slackern> Bauldrick: maybe you need to install the package  openoffice.org-kde              - KDE Integration for OpenOffice.org
[23:49] <Arenlor> yes the wallpaper goes away, that's the opacity thing, umm open a small window on each desktop then turn it down again and you should be able to see them as black shapes on a cube
[23:50] <administrator> why dont they release beta files for gutsy?
[23:51] <episodic> nothing that even resembles a cube
[23:51] <episodic> just black
[23:52] <Dr_willis> The restricted-manager tool works very well for me Under Gutsy
[23:52] <Arenlor> ah ok episodic I forgot, turn on the skydome while doing thing
[23:52] <administrator> how did you get a copy of gutsy dr_willis
[23:52] <Dr_willis> administrator,  its been in beta testing for .. ages. :)
[23:52] <Arenlor> administrator are you running Feisty?
[23:52] <Dr_willis> how else.. :)
[23:52] <dapatrick> Anyone know what's up with this new ubuntu-laptop-mode package?
[23:53] <Arenlor> sorry dapatrick I have no clue
[23:53] <administrator> yes i am
[23:53] <Dr_willis>  Got the RC1 release and isntalled it on 3 different machines here.. have had very little issues.
[23:54] <Arenlor> administrator open a terminal window and put in "update-manager -d"
[23:54] <episodic> ok turned on skydome
[23:54] <Dr_willis> with a sudo in the front? :)
[23:54] <episodic> now the screen does the same thing
[23:54] <episodic> it is just aqua with a gradient
[23:54] <episodic> still no cube
[23:54] <Arenlor> sure why not put the sudo in, not sure if it'll matter lol
[23:54] <administrator> k
[23:54] <Dr_willis> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:54] <Dr_willis> :) im all up to date..
[23:55] <administrator> arenlor: does it matter if im running kubuntu?
[23:55] <Arenlor> administrator, I'm not sure, maybe
[23:55] <Davy_Jones> when will gutsy be release? it will be released last week
[23:55] <Dr_willis> when its done :)
[23:55] <Dr_willis> Its due out the 18th.
[23:55] <Dr_willis> 'stay tuned for further developments'
[23:56] <Arenlor> episodic can you post a screen shot of it anywhere?
[23:56] <episodic> of the gradient
[23:56] <episodic> ?
[23:56] <Arenlor> yes of the cube with the gradient on with a window open on each desktop and the cube having no opacity
[23:57] <episodic> hold on
[23:57] <minus> Hi ppl.. Why does this happen/why is the servers down
[23:57] <minus> Err http://se.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1
[23:57] <minus>   404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.137 80]
[23:57] <minus> are the servers down**
[23:57] <Dr_willis> minus,  that ONE server may be down
[23:58] <minus> Dr_willis, Is there anything I can do?
[23:58] <Dr_willis> remove the se. in the name. :)
[23:58] <minus> ok
[23:58] <Dr_willis> or try some other servers
[23:58] <minus> like what?
[23:58] <minus> en?
[23:58] <Arenlor> the SE is up for me
[23:58] <minus> or us
[23:58] <Dr_willis> !easy-source
[23:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easy-source - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:58] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[23:58] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[23:59] <Arenlor> gutsy may be temporarily down though
[23:59] <Arenlor> while they prepare for the final release
[23:59] <Dr_willis>  ping se.archive.ubuntu.com  - shows its up here.
[23:59] <Davy_Jones> fawn ftw
[23:59] <Arenlor> or that could mean even that they are seconds away
[23:59] <Dr_willis> NOW that file maybe missing - or getting updated.
[23:59] <slackern> se.archive.ubuntu.com works fine here too
[23:59] <Davy_Jones> 7.04 ftw