[15:08] RC is now, haven't been that many changes this week get it, avoid the rush [15:09] I am waiting for Ubuntu to notify me of the upgrade [15:09] what do ya rekon ? [15:09] is there a way to use a mouse gesture to do Move to Corners? [15:09] 24 hrs [15:09] will it take long for that to happen? [15:10] so not on the 18th? [15:10] some people alreay have by sysnoptic [15:10] maybe the 19th? [15:10] really? [15:11] I haven't had any updates for over a day, so I'm 7.10 [15:12] so your upgraded? [15:12] how come Apache2 is only listen to tcp6? [15:12] I been running it since tribe 2, with updating I'm current, been very stable [15:12] ipv6* [15:13] wonderful [15:48] well slart : it rocks .. thanks guys for the chkrootkit and rkhunter .. they're nice [15:48] AlienX_: I installed the official drivers, remember? nvidia-xconfig now just makes use of those instead... then I can't start X at all. [15:49] Creationist: right, becareful, the system tries to install the 100.14.19 driver, it has a know regressive bug on 6XXX and 7XXX cards [15:49] any antivirus progs anyone knows about ? [15:50] Ximal: read what people responded to you earlier... [15:50] can i encrypt my hard drive even though i did an upgrade not a clean install? [15:50] AlienX_: Alright, well I install nvidia-glx and ran nvidia-xconfig. Gonna restart X and see how it goes. [15:50] anyone have sophos ? antivirus page ? url ? [15:50] Ximal: i've used sophos but I don't run AV on any of my linux boxes [15:51] Okay, that killed my X server too. [15:51] Creationist: is there a specific error that the xserver is throwing out? [15:51] why not alienx_ [15:52] Yeah, hang on... lemme check real quick. [15:52] Creationist: it is probably saying glx was not loaded [15:52] Ximal: no reason to. I periodically check for rootkits but beyond that, I've never had any reason to run an AV app [15:52] and why don't you do /msg nickserv ghost alienx password [15:52] oh.. I'm just doing it because I don't wanna take the chance .. [15:52] Ximal: because alienx is my box at home [15:52] I'm having some trouble starting gnome on my newly upgraded ubuntu box.. seems the failsafe xorg.conf doesn't work with my nvidia 8800.. known problem? workarounds? [15:53] TheRepacker: Yeah, I remember it was something like that. [15:53] can i encrypt my hard drive even though i did an upgrade not a clean install? [15:53] Ximal: you're likely not to get any kind of virus unless you're being incredibly careless [15:53] aye alien .. [15:53] I'm just trying to be safe.. [15:53] but you are right.. [15:53] Creationist: I had to re-install the kernels [15:53] i guess the clamshell one on add remove is ok [15:54] Slart: you can run the nvidia-glx-new package IIRC [15:54] !upgrade [15:54] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only [15:54] TheRepacker: Well, I just reinstalled Kubuntu. I'd hate to have to do it again... although I have ALWAYS had issues with video drivers in Linux. [15:54] AlienX_ : same result.. x doesn't start.. just blinks a few times [15:55] Creationist: i can't see why you'd need to reinstall [15:55] Slart: what error are you getting? [15:55] AlienX_, and the xorg log seems to indicate that x tries to use the xorg.conf.failsafe configuration file [15:55] Creationist: me too!, I had a heck of a time getting this to work, I can not remeber everything I did [15:55] AlienX_, hang on.. I'll check again.. [15:56] and I'm in gnome [15:56] AlienX_: Reason to reinstall: I'm dumb and can't fix this on my own :) [15:56] Slart: i can't figure out why it'd try to use failsafe unless you're booting into failsafe [15:56] I don't suppose someone would want to ssh into me and fix it for me, would they? [15:56] hello, I installed rc1 for a friend who already had xp installed using the desktop cd. His entire drive was ntfs which I resized with the installer and proceeded to install ubuntu [15:57] AlienX_, nope.. booting just the same as always.. I'll check grub so nothing has changed there [15:57] Creationist: i think there might be an nvidia channel on here....i know there is a nvidia linux forum that might be able to help as well. You may want to check the ubuntu forum first though [15:57] and everything went fine, but when I booted ubuntu for the first time and I needed to check something in gparted, I was surprised to see that gparted by default did not have any ntfs support besides detect [15:58] AlienX_, the error is "(EE) No devices detected" and before that "(WW) VESA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:0) found" [15:58] i noticed this as he wanted to do some further partitioning on another drive and wanted me to make it half ntfs/ext3 but gparted reported detect only [15:58] i installed ntfs-progs and then gparted reported i could do anything regarding ntfs [15:58] Slart: which driver is xorg trying to use? in your xorg.conf [15:59] so my question is, how was it able to resize his existing ntfs partition with the live cd? [15:59] Okay, since I'm stuck with a CLI, is there an alternative to using vi? lol [15:59] or does the live cd have ntfs-progs on it? [15:59] AlienX_, my xorg.conf is using the nvidia driver (nvidia), but the xorg.conf.failsafe is using some vesa stuff [15:59] mcquaid : live cd has gparted a partitioning tool [15:59] ...something useable for an old DOS junkie like me? [15:59] ... [15:59] did you read what I said Ximal? [16:00] mcquaid : ntfs partitions can be viewed by gparted .. [16:00] Slart: out of curiosity, what would happen if you renamed the the failsafe config and copied your current xorg.conf to xorg.conf.failsafe [16:00] of course the live cd has gparted. My point was once i first booted and installed gparted, the only support for ntfs was view [16:00] Creationist: nano [16:00] ehh.. ok.. grub had changed.., I was using an old kernel.. I guess gutsy changed some things [16:00] failsafe was a good idea.....but...... [16:00] TheRepacker: thanks [16:00] but yet I resized his existing ntfs with the live cd to make room for the install [16:00] mcquaid: write support for NTFS is hit and miss at best [16:00] hmm unsure ... it is like a realtime fdisk program the best way i can put it to you if u r used to windows [16:00] :) [16:01] TheRepacker: i tried in gnome, same thing. disabled effects, disabled xgl, etc. it's locking up during other activities as well. [16:01] centyx: working? [16:01] mcquaid: are you dual booting vista? [16:01] mcquaid gimme a moment [16:01] TheRepacker: nah, still locking up [16:01] AlienX_, hmm.. I'll give it a try.. [16:01] i'll have something for you [16:01] hmm... write support is just fine with ntfs-3g AlienX [16:01] but i'm not talking about read/write ntfs, I'm talking about resizing an existing partition with the live cd, which seemed to go fine [16:01] Slart: if worst comes to worst, you could try reverting to your previous kernel (unless this was a fresh install) [16:02] centyx: try the OO forums [16:02] TheRepacker: will do [16:02] mcquaid : www.mrbass.org and http://mrbass.org/ubcd/ are my best ways of showing you programs you can use for partitioning [16:02] i was just surprised that once booted, gparted only had ntfs detect support. So I was kind of scratching my head thinking well how did I just resize then? [16:02] any idea where my gnome Applications menu has got to - what generates that? [16:02] the ultimate boot cd is a great resource and supports ntfs on some of it's things.. the ubcd is a sortof linux live boot disk that contains hardware programs in text only [16:03] well, i'm not really asking that but thanks, gparted is just fine once all the extras are all installed [16:03] nosrednaekim, i was going to install ubuntu rc for another friend today who does have vista [16:03] the day before release and we're still getting updates? interesting [16:04] well.. [16:04] AlienX_, booting from the correct kernel didn't help.. I'm trying the renaming thing [16:04] it's always gone fine with xp, are there any hiccups I should be aware of when trying to dual boot vista/ubuntu on the same drive? [16:04] every moment counts philip_ [16:04] mcquaid: not sure how well gutsy resizes vista partitions... you may want to do it from within vista. [16:04] hmm yeah [16:04] Slart: alright. I'm not convinced that'll work but it's worth a shot [16:04] Ximal, feisty RC turned out to be the final release...no updates for like a week [16:04] AlienX_, hey.. here's another error gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X Error - Restarting :0 [16:04] hmm, well i did it with gutsy live cd and everything 'seemed' to go fine [16:04] mcquaid : download a torrent of fossi partition magic .. [16:05] and install it to vista if u don't have a partition program to use [16:05] fossi's old partition program used to work well for me on xp .. should on vista [16:05] Ximal: gparted should work fine [16:05] thx for the suggestion, it's always good to know of other part tools [16:05] mcquaid: ah..ok..good then [16:05] Slart: hmm [16:05] alienx_ not if he uses vista to do the partitioning [16:05] but again, I resized with gutsy live cd and it just through me off that it didtn't actually have resize support in gparted once installed [16:06] but like i said mcquaid http://mrbass.org/ubcd/ has a boot cd that will overide all you need to do for your partitioning tools [16:06] i was like 'well, how the heck did i just do it during install?!' [16:06] Ximal: oh, i don't know anything about vista [16:06] that's all i was asking [16:06] it's ok bro [16:06] * AlienX_ hasn't used windows on a desktop in over 5 years [16:06] how start compiz in gutsy? [16:07] aguitel: go to run and type "compiz --replace" [16:07] Alt F2, compiz --replace [16:07] AlienX, how does one switch back to gnome's window manager if they choose to? [16:07] everytime you need to doing this? [16:07] compiz really needs a gui config to fall back to kwin/gnome window manager if need be [16:08] mcquaid: "metacity --replace" [16:08] ah [16:08] aguitel, add it to your "sessions" in Preferences [16:08] thx [16:08] aguitel: no you can set it up in System -> Preferences -> Apperance [16:08] mcquaid: or for kwin..."kwin --replace" [16:08] philip_: much easier to use the proper gui :) [16:08] alienx_ : I use virtual machine to run windows for all my dvd ripping needs etc and for programs that aren't in a stable release right now in linux :) though I find that wine works well for most of my gaming needs ;) [16:08] mc44, ah didn't know that existed, learned something new :) [16:09] Ximal: i use xp in a vm but I only really use it for running virtual center or oding AD stuff [16:09] s/oding/doing [16:09] alienx_ furthermore i keep a windows partition just to keep things bootable for chat purposes etc for support through this channel here on irc in case i have an issue as i don't have a livecd with irc [16:09] ad stuff ? [16:09] coding ? [16:09] anyone here successfully dualbooted vista/ubuntu? I don't expect any issues, but I know jack about vista and thought there might be some weird boot sector crap or something [16:09] Ximal: active directory [16:09] oh ok alien [16:09] mcquaid : you can set it to be in the bootlist for ubuntu .. [16:10] just like any other linux distro worth it's salt [16:10] going to install it today for a friend who currently has vista and would like to avoid any hiccups [16:10] mcquaid: I THINK all the issues are sorted out with gutsy... [16:10] it uses a grubb loader i believe [16:10] !vista [16:10] vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org [16:10] philip ,i add "compiz --replace" in sessions? [16:10] not exactly what I wanted [16:11] !helpersnack | Ximal [16:11] Ximal: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [16:12] hey [16:12] nosrednaekim: iam add "compiz --replace" in sessions to start compiz every time? [16:12] is there a way to browse the files of my cellphone using bluetooth? [16:13] aguitel: you can just set it up in system->preferances->appearance->visual effects, as I said [16:13] aguitel: thats one way [16:13] wow [16:13] !vista [16:13] vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org [16:13] :0 [16:13] i just read what ubotu : posted .. im about to go buy a 100 pack of cd-rs and put the live cd in all the computer demos in every store in town [16:13] i don't like microshaft now [16:13] lol [16:14] Ximal: awesome idea [16:14] yeah [16:14] gonna go pcjacking [16:14] !pcjack [16:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about pcjack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [16:14] mc44 ,i make that you are saying but where is compiz manager ? [16:14] err www.whylinuxisbetter.com [16:14] Hi all. Can someone point me to the instructions for dist-upgrading to Gutsy? [16:14] !ot | Ximal [16:14] Ximal: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [16:14] !upgrade [16:14] aguitel: if you select "Normal" desktop effects there, it uses compiz [16:14] aguitel: type ccsm [16:14] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Please join #ubuntu+1 for questions about upgrading to Gutsy, and use #ubuntu for "normal" support only [16:15] Gracias. [18:58] compiz-fusion [18:58] eh where did you get the 8,41 drivers at? [18:58] Pici: Okay, thanks for your time [18:58] maybe he got er working and didnt need to... :/ === tritium_ is now known as tritium [18:58] yeah i understand that [18:59] he was close [18:59] Pici: If you know of anybody that probably could help please direct them to me [18:59] but it sort of leaves you hanging [18:59] BluesKaj where did you get the new drivrs from? [18:59] lee986321: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html [18:59] anyone running xen and fglrx? [18:59] oh ty [18:59] np , lee986321 [19:00] I got a problem with ubuntu gibbon on my Laptop [19:00] the boot time takes ages [19:00] i also dont get the loader [19:00] does the printer auto-install work with a)networked printers, or b)SMB/CUPS shared printers? [19:00] and it works perfectly and fast with ubuntu feisty [19:01] hmm will go there right after i am finished loading lol [19:02] BluesKaj was that in unbuntu or kunbunt that you had the in? and was it 64 or 32 bit? [19:03] and was it fiesty or gutsy? [19:03] both feisty and gutsy , kubuntu and ubuntu work with the driver on 32 bit [19:03] i have xfce installed but it does not allow me to shutdown, reboot the system via the quit button, it asks me for my password but then i get an error. i can only shutdown via sudo in the terminal [19:05] reddfox: You can probably ask in #ubuntu too [19:05] lee986321: I'm on feisty ATM , but it was working on kubuntu gutsy tribe 5 til the last update did in my xorgfile ...I should have been paying closer attn [19:07] erg [19:07] anyone got an idea ? [19:08] I have a quick question on multihead with the open source ati/radeon xorg driver if anyone's willing to help [19:08] what time zone is the final release using ? I'm on EDT here and I'm wondering if I try to DL the new release after midnight here , will it be available ? [19:08] Pici: They referred me to this channel [19:09] BluesKaj: how good is your connection? [19:09] VG actually [19:09] BluesKaj: can you torrent? [19:09] yup [19:09] * Hobbsee queries, then [19:09] BluesKaj: we never know the eact time, it is always a suprise [19:09] How do i configure auto login? [19:09] oh wait..i have those drivers...i took the drivers and loaded them using fiesty then restarted the systyem after i had set them up..ihad everything working untill i went to change my screen resoloution....but, in kubuntu 32 bit nor in the 64 bit i couldnt find the restricted drivers [19:10] My Feisty multihead config/xorg.conf (separate desktops on each display) doesn't seem to work on Gutsy unless I use a hack to use Feisty's xserver. I had read that Gutsy uses xrandr now, but is it possible to have such a setup with xrandr? [19:10] BluesKaj: the mirror for gusty are closed waiting for sync [19:11] I was curious since our friend responsible for canonical resides in the UK :) [19:11] I made back ups of my x.org file and have the 32 bitversion befor and after the update [19:11] Is anyone here using syncevolution on gutsy. I can't seem to get it running, compiling fails and a precompiled binary can [19:11] Is anyone here using syncevolution on gutsy. I can't seem to get it running, compiling fails and a precompiled binary can't connect to libdataserver. (sorry for the double post) [19:11] I am going to take a long hard look and compare the code between the 2 and see why it changes so much [19:12] I've been since tribe 2 and have been updating, so I am final [19:12] and why it works in the 32 bit but not the 64 [19:12] kubuntu rejects it all to geather [19:12] BluesKaj: and it feels good, windows never frlt this solid [19:14] BluesKaj: everything works (well with a little tweaking) [19:14] How do i configure auto login? [19:14] Any X gurus in here at all? [19:14] TheRepacker: which card ? [19:14] My computer running freenx server is behind a web proxy, how can I configure the server to accept that proxy? [19:14] Because of this I cannot connect to the computer from the client machine. [19:14] nvidia 7300 [19:15] and it was a haedache [19:15] <]]R1cK[[> COMPIZ-FUSION FTW [19:15] nice shouting [19:15] okay, perhaps this is a better channel for my question: has anybody seen the new Gutsy kernel bork up on partition assignments after an upgrade? [19:15] is there a list of changes for the kernels ? [19:16] because something sure as *** changed [19:16] BluesKaj: but once I found out the tricks, CF, fullscreen,everything is working, I though Beryl was nice, [19:17] <]]R1cK[[> compiz-fusion is better [19:17] Hello..anyone? [19:18] I haven't got the patience for beryl or compiz-fusion on this elcheapo ati x200g , ...I'm a bit of a geography nut, so just happy to have google earth working [19:18] ^-^ One more day for the release. ^-^ [19:19] I have Earth 4.2 [19:20] working [19:20] * newsense07 installs google earth right now, tried running it on my old 550mhz thinkpad but it didnt go well, lol [19:20] how can I get freenx to recognize the proxy that I'm behind?? [19:21] anyone here with any dualhead expertise? [19:23] newsense07: what video/graphics card ? it'll be slower eith that cpu but should still work [19:23] its onboard i810 chip [19:23] think it should work decent [19:23] getting a bfg 7800 gt oc 256mb next week hopefully [19:23] intels are usually quite good , newsense07 [19:24] this mobo has no pci slot and thats the best agp card i know of [19:24] r/pci/pcie16x [19:24] BluesKaj: I have nvidia 6150 and 7300, 3 monitors and 2 TVs, looks like the starship Enterprise here [19:24] intels suck too [19:24] actuallt X sucks [19:24] agp should be good [19:24] actually* [19:25] BluesKaj: found this comp in the trash and dont want to upgrade the mobo just for a pcie card that needs a faster processor anyways to get the full experience [19:25] TheRepacker , wow , that sounds neat ...wish i had the room [19:25] DMLou: I have nvidia 6150 and 7300, 3 monitors and 2 TVs, looks like the starship Enterprise here [19:25] Hello, I'm running 64-bit ubuntu gutsy gibbon on an AMD64x2 6GHz with a Nvidia 8800 GTX.. I've just upgraded and glxgears feels awfully slow.. I know glxgears isn't a benchmark and all that but I get about 5000 FPS and I kind of recall getting at least 3 times that with the old ubuntu edgy.. anything in particular to check? [19:26] I have them because everyone was throwing them out to get LCDs [19:26] ok since people don't want to know gutsy exists until tomorrow.... [19:26] TheRepacker: Cool. Unfortunately, I'm stuck using a mobility radeon 7500. I'm trying to get dual head working between my laptop and my external LCD [19:26] newsense07: i know the feeling ... struggled with old 233mhz pc i rescued from the "heap" at work and used it for a while with other distros til i bought this compaq and settled down with kubuntu [19:27] something broke between Feisty and Gutsy [19:27] at least w/ regards to my multihead setup [19:27] Any idea where the config for the default mounting or not mounting (which has changed) to non mount by default in 7.10 lies? in kde? [19:27] DMLou: sorry, but getting the nvidia set up was headache enough [19:27] BluesKaj: i cant believe someone threw out this p42.6Ghz Ht im on now [19:27] I basically want to re-set it to automount removable media [19:27] Nautilus in Gutsy is using my home directory as my desktop. might be related to the fact that the first time I booted I didn't have the Desktop folder available, but now it is-- any ideas how to fix that? [19:28] TheRepacker: I hear ya... Ironically, I got everything working just fine if I used ATI's proprietary drivers. Unfortunately, they don't work with suspend/hibernate/etc. [19:28] DMLou: that is also a problem with some nvidia cards and certian drivers [19:29] newsense07: threw out a p4 2.6ghz ? wow ,must be an extreme gamer gone mad :) [19:29] TheRepacker: yeah, I think I heard about that too. Actually, this is my work machine, so I don't care about fancy whiz bang 3d effects. I just want an efficient coding setup. :) [19:29] I'm more than willing to use the slower open source drivers, if I can get the multihead setup I like working [19:29] what is the apt-get command for the gstreamer extra plugins????? [19:30] I tried aptitude search for gstream extra but dont' see it in the list [19:30] what should i be looking for? [19:30] I have upgraded 7.04 to 7.10, rebooted, now the 2.6.22 kernel fails to mount my home partition claiming it is already mounted or in use; fstab was not altered, I am not a beginner, has anybody seen this behaviour with the new kernel ? booting the old one (2.6.20) works fine [19:30] I'm currently using Feisty's drivers on Gutsy to get the setup I want. It's a little flaky, but it works [19:31] DMLou: this is my home machine, makes my dell at work look sick, still running 2000 pro there [19:31] I don't get it [19:31] X doesn't seem to get any better [19:31] Gek_, gstreamer-extraplugins perhaps ? [19:31] TheRepacker: lucky :) [19:31] a fucking dual-screen display is too much to wish for [19:31] what for the dell [19:32] BluesKaj, i don't know... aptitude search gstream extra plugins doesn't have that [19:32] soul9|9: under both Feisty and my old NVidia-based desktop (running Fedora, though), getting dual screen working wasn't hard [19:32] yeah? [19:32] well I've been trying to get it working here for about as long as I've had this stupid laptop and i haven't been able to [19:33] Well, I had to hack up my xorg for Feisty... but under Fedora, their screens control panel just worked [19:33] first off: the internal screen is 1440x900 [19:33] BluesKaj, "Couldn't find package "Gstreamer-extraplugins" [19:33] soul9|9: what kind of hardware are you running? [19:33] Gek_: check synaptic or adept [19:33] and the external screen is 1024x768 [19:33] as in what graphics card, etc. [19:34] and the stupid fucking X guys (sorry) didn't think anyone would want a dual-screen setup with different resolution/layout [19:34] intel video card [19:34] soul9|9: watch your langugae please [19:34] soul9|9, saying sorry doesn't excuse you whatsoever. [19:35] okay, so i don't know who's fault is [19:35] What am I looking for in synaptic? I'm in multimedia... but don't se anything related to gstreamer [19:35] soul9|9: what kind of setup do you want? One big ass spanning desktop, or multiple separate desktops? [19:35] yes [19:35] I don't care [19:35] I came across this page while trying to get my ati card to work. It's written by the intel driver folks, so it may help you if you haven't seen it yet: http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html [19:35] but a "big-desktop" setup would be the ideal [19:36] "big-desktop" seems to be the more popular. Multi-desktop (like mine) seems to be going the way of the dodo :( [19:36] Gek_: in the search bar type 'gstreamer' === DreamThief is now known as MathiasLustig [19:37] yeah, I want to be able to drag windows from one to another [19:37] Any idea where the config for the default mounting or not mounting (which has changed) to non mount by default in 7.10 lies? in kde? I want to set 7.10 to automount [19:37] soul9|9: then hopefully that page will work. it seems geared towards that setup [19:37] Which search bar? The Deskbar Applet? [19:37] yes, that page doesn't help me at all [19:37] that is why I said intel sucks [19:38] I don't know if it's an intel limitation or an X one, but === dennda is now known as ChristopherDente [19:38] I would assume it's probably an X one or an X bug, since everything I've heard indicated that Intel's got some of the best X drivers out there [19:39] getting this setup to work with two different type of monitors (1440x900+1024x768) is too much to ask [19:39] fuck [19:40] Gek_: watch your langugae please [19:40] soul9|9: take a peek at this one. It's for thinkpads, but they do cover intel cards on it: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 [19:40] I wish I could help more, but I don't have an intel card to muck around with [19:40] hell, I need help with my ati card :) [19:40] oh, and with intel dri is limited to 2048, so i guess the guy who designed the thing thought people inly needed max 1024horizontal pixels, no more per monitor === ChristopherDente is now known as dennda [19:40] Gek_: in synaptic choose "All" then click on the the little magnifying glass icon 'searcj' and type in "gstreamer" [19:40] search [19:40] soul9|9: okay, that might be an intel problem [19:40] all of it is [19:41] or I mean yeah, it is === dennda is now known as ChristopherDente [19:41] that is, and they know about it [19:41] I have done that. It shows the same thing that aptitude search gstreamer extra did [19:41] I don't see anything listed as anything "extra" for gstreamer [19:41] lol I can't join #ubuntu+2 [19:41] what I don't know is that it should work even without dri, but I get a display with huge black lines on top and bottom [19:42] and very strange responses [19:42] soul9|9: bizarre indeed [19:43] hell yeah [19:43] #ubuntu+4 [19:43] The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed. I found this in the kubuntu when I wanted to check to see if it could be one, any ideas on why it wasleft out? [19:43] I guess it is hard to imagine how it should work with this setup [19:44] but I mean, it isn't that hard to clip off the bottom of the screen in this case [19:44] I don't understand why this wasn't thought of when designing the drivers/X server [19:44] beats me [19:44] oh well [19:44] Is it possible to connect to multiple wireless points in Kubuntu say like office, home and college? [19:45] this is one problem [19:45] the other one being the flakiness of networkmanager [19:46] Gek_: are you trying to listen to streams or set up an audioserver ? [19:46] hmm they also created a program that shuts down the ati Installer to [19:47] iss_student: what do you mean [19:47] soul, I connected at home and then coudln't connect at work untill I switched from the built in to a pcmcia wireless adapter [19:48] with gutsy? [19:48] yup [19:48] yes, as I said networkmanager is flakey: it's _VERY_ hard to switch networks with it [19:48] Has anyone seen the "Could not calculate the upgrade" error when running update-manager -d? [19:48] it shouldn't be, but it is [19:49] and both on ubuntu 7.10 and kubuntu 7.10 [19:51] has it been reported as a bug [19:51] anybody know how the device-mapper works ? [19:51] anyone around who can help me fix gdm resolution on an i965 and widescreen monitor? once gnome loads, it's 1440x900 like it should be, but gdm is some 4:3 res :\ [19:52] bur[n]er gdm will usually come up in the highest resolution the monitor's EDID supports [19:52] so it may be reporting the wrong values [19:52] EDID? [19:52] yes [19:52] my exact monitor version was in displayconfig-gtk [19:53] iss_student: I don't know [19:53] "was" ? [19:53] check :-) [19:53] adaptr: kdm works fine [19:53] If I already have 7.10beta, will it update itself through regular updates to 7.10full when gutsy is released tomorrow????????? [19:53] i'm off for now [19:53] adaptr: is [19:53] CheeseGardener no, you'll always need to do a distupgrade [19:53] CheeseGardener: yepper [19:53] eh guys I think I just found an oops [19:53] oh, erm.. no [19:53] sorry [19:54] how can I check if it updated to the full? [19:54] adaptr: that make sense that kdm works just fine but gdm doesn't? [19:54] I am running update mager aswell as adept updater and I have the pics to prove it if some sasys it can't be doen [19:54] CheeseGardener: use synaptic and do an update and upgrade [19:54] So what do you do if you need to access multiple wireless points [19:54] oh... [19:54] lee986321: so close oen of them? "killall update-manager" or adept [19:55] iss_student: at teh same time? [19:55]