[15:08] <Treenaks> pitti: it compensates by making the bottom bar double height ;)
[15:09] <pitti> so, that seems to work just fine, including https://
[15:09] <Riddell> pitti: that's right
[15:09] <pitti> thanks
[15:09] <Hobbsee> pitti: kopete breaks, though
[15:11] <Riddell> I'll release note that
[15:12] <fabbione> Seveas: ping?
[18:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: seed?
[18:59] <pitti> TomaszD: I am, yes
[18:59] <Hobbsee> pitti: torrents.
[18:59] <Hobbsee> pitti: if you get people seeding, the torrents will be faster, and so people shouldnt hammer the http so much.
[18:59] <Hobbsee> that's the hope, anyway :P
[18:59] <lool> keescook: Around?
[18:59] <pitti> pitti ∩ torrents = ø
[19:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  we know :)
[19:00] <keescook> lool: yup, what's up?
[19:00] <lool> keescook: Pango's upstream pointed the distributor at seemingly a minor fix which should be backported; gutsy isn't affected, and it mroe or less could be interpreted like a security issue
[19:01] <lool> keescook: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463430 what do you think?  Do you think it's worse a security update?  I don't think it's worth a SRU
[19:01] <keescook> lool: checking...
[19:03] <jdong> Hobbsee: should I be seeding an image?
[19:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: that would be nice.
[19:03] <jdong> Hobbsee: I have roughly 200mbit/s idle bandwidth to donate
[19:03] <pitti> Hobbsee: /me invokes the magic Jedi wave to get people seeding
[19:03] <Hobbsee> pitti: they're on r.u.c?
[19:03] <keescook> lool: It's a client-side DoS, which is certainly annoying, but beyond that, I don't see any security implications.
[19:03] <Hobbsee> jdong: please do.  find out where htye are.
[19:03] <Hobbsee> you can test out the tracker while your'e at it :P
[19:04] <pitti> Hobbsee: yes, in /.pool, kubuntu/.pool, etc.
[19:04] <nemik> so why don't the repos have 'figlet'?
[19:04] <Hobbsee> nemik: they do.  in universe.
[19:04] <nemik> hmm ok thanks
[19:04] <Hobbsee> pitti: ah, kay, cool.
[19:04] <lool> keescook: Ok; I wanted to double check as upstream took extra care to point people at this issue, but I didn't find it relevant enough; thanks!
[19:05] <jdong> ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso             16-Oct-2007 00:53  696M
[19:05] <jdong> is that the right one?
[19:05] <pitti> jdong: right
[19:05] <keescook> lool: sure, thanks for the heads-up.  :)
[19:05] <pitti> jdong: /.pool has both the iso and the .torrent
[19:05] <jdong> ok, thanks, I'll egin to seed then
[19:05] <pitti> jdong: thanks muchly
[19:06]  * Hobbsee ponders a "if you have lots of bandwidth over the next couple of days, /msg me" announcement to +1, but thinks that might be a bit over the top :P
[19:06]  * evand waits for some evil person to submit the URL to slashdot and digg.
[19:06] <jdong> pitti: I don't see the .torrents in there?
[19:06] <Hobbsee> evand: if they do, they'll be from this channel.  and be shot.
[19:06] <nemik> Hobbsee: "figlet is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[19:06] <nemik> Hobbsee: universe is enabled
[19:06] <jdong> figlet is multiverse, right?
[19:07] <evand> right
[19:07] <stgraber> I should be able to run the bittorrent client on some servers (totalling something like 600Mb/s)
[19:07] <Hobbsee> er, figlet is in multiverse, for some strange reason
[19:07] <Hobbsee> stgraber: great!
[19:07] <nemik> is multiverse in default sources.list?
[19:07] <Hobbsee> no
[19:07] <jdong> wow, I'm pulling 6MB/s from releases
[19:07] <jdong> that's a first...
[19:08] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah, well.  people dont know about it yet :)
[19:08] <nemik> hmm multiverse is enabled as well and no figlet
[19:08] <evand> am I the only one not seeing the torrent files?
[19:08] <jdong> so... can someone point blind old me towards the .torrent?
[19:08] <Hobbsee> evand: no
[19:08] <Hobbsee> but you're uncool by not seeding them, so get to it :P
[19:08] <evand> I'm trying!
[19:09]  * jdong goes onto t.u.c:6969
[19:10] <stgraber> jdong: 11Mb/s here downloading ubuntu-desktop :)
[19:10]  * Hobbsee starts poking peple in +1
[19:12] <cjwatson> stgraber: the translated version should be moved to another page
[19:12] <cjwatson> stgraber: but in any case it won't end up on www.ubuntu.com
[19:14] <jdong> hmm .torrent is not on the tracker yet; I guess it's yetto be made?
[19:15] <cjwatson> I think it's unlikely that the torrents will be available until tomorrow
[19:15] <cjwatson> there are other ways to get the image to prepare a seed
[19:15] <jdong> ok, then I'll wait for the release of the torrent to start seeding; I've got the image ready togo
[19:18] <Hobbsee> evand: sigh.  is there any way i can check if ubiquity has frozen, or is just taking forever?
[19:19] <pitti> jdong: ah, I see; well, it's identical to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ which does have torrents; no idea whether that helps, thogh
[19:19] <Hobbsee> seb128: you were wrong, btw.
[19:19] <evand> tail the logs, strace failing that
[19:19] <Hobbsee> evand: syslog would be of most help, i take it?
[19:19] <evand> syslog, debug if you've enabled it
[19:19] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: check process list too
[19:20] <cjwatson> if apt-get update is running and your network connection is dubious, then it's that
[19:20] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: no migration-assistant, no apt*.
[19:20] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: what *is* it doing, UI-wise?
[19:21] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: says 88%, importing documents and settings - and i cleared teh windows stuff out, so it shouldnt tkae forever to import.
[19:22] <evand> but you don't see ma-* in ps?
[19:22] <Hobbsee> evand: ah, i lokoed under migration-assistant, not m-a
[19:23] <Hobbsee> root     18067  0.0  0.0   2872   924 ?        Ss   04:05   0:00 /sbin/mount.ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt/migrationassistant -o rw,umask=0022,nls=utf8
[19:23] <evand> look for ma-apply or ma-import
[19:23] <Hobbsee> evand: nope to both
[19:23] <evand> uh, odd
[19:23] <Hobbsee> oh!
[19:24] <Hobbsee> evand: when you tested m-a, did you ever test where the windows user had no p/w set?
[19:24] <cjwatson> gar, I fixed that :-P
[19:24] <cjwatson> (evidently not)
[19:24] <evand> cjwatson: fixed what?
[19:24] <Hobbsee> debconf (developer): --> 1 Sarah Hobbs.SARAH
[19:24] <Hobbsee> Oct 18 04:05:39 debconf (filter): <-- GET migration-assistant/sda2/Sarah:Hobbs.SARAH/user
[19:24] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: is there a log-output process running? what state is it in?
[19:24] <Hobbsee> debconf (developer): <-- GET migration-assistant/sda2/Sarah:Hobbs.SARAH/user
[19:24] <Hobbsee> debconf (developer): --> 1
[19:24] <Hobbsee> Oct 18 04:05:39 debconf (filter): <-- GET migration-assistant/new-user//password
[19:24] <Hobbsee> debconf (developer): <-- GET migration-assistant/new-user//password
[19:24] <Hobbsee> debconf (developer): --> 10 migration-assistant/new-user//password doesn't exist
[19:24] <evand> ...
[19:24] <Hobbsee> Oct 18 04:05:39 debconf (filter): <-- PROGRESS STOP
[19:25] <evand> not good
[19:25] <Hobbsee> root     16411  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    03:54   0:00 [log-output] <defunct>
[19:25] <cjwatson> that's not "no password set in Windows", that's "m-a is wrongly trying to fetch data for a blank username"
[19:25] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: only ^
[19:25] <evand> it is supposed to check for that
[19:25] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: oh, my bad.
[19:25] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: that I'm *sure* I fixed, but ... oh, hmm
[19:25]  * evand fires up vmware
[19:25] <cjwatson> I bet the fix needs to be duplicated into m-a
[19:26] <cjwatson> (or fixed properly in ntfs-3g, but we didn't have time)
[19:26] <evand> bug #?
[19:26] <cjwatson> -       mount $fs /target$mp || exit 1
[19:26] <cjwatson> +       mount $fs /target$mp 3>&- || exit 1
[19:26] <evand> ah
[19:26] <cjwatson> partman-basicfilesystems 54ubuntu4
[19:26] <evand> indeed
[19:26] <Hobbsee> erk.  i'm using an old version!
[19:26] <evand> I imagine there's no time for that now
[19:26] <Hobbsee> i rebooted since grabbing the latest!
[19:26] <cjwatson> evand: doubt it
[19:26] <evand> hahaha
[19:27] <Hobbsee> this is what happens late at night...
[19:28] <keescook> Amaranth: see that bug 145123 is not fixed.  :(  Can you point me to the patches needed to fix this for a post-release security update?
[19:28] <keescook> s/see/seems/
[19:29] <Amaranth> keescook: All known patches for it are applied
[19:30] <Amaranth> keescook: It only allows you to alt-tab and such, focus is locked to the password entry
[19:30] <Amaranth> keescook: And you reopened a dupe
[19:30] <keescook> Amaranth: see bug 153200 then for further details...
[19:31] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: evand i'm so sorry.  clearly my brain is going :-S
[19:31] <mvo> macslow was working on it
[19:31] <evand> Hobbsee: I'm sorry for creating the hell you're currently faced with.
[19:31] <Amaranth> Oh, alt-f2
[19:31] <Amaranth> grr
[19:31] <Hobbsee> evand: :D
[19:31] <Amaranth> So much for lock screen
[19:31] <Hobbsee> evand: what surprises me - i *always* have trouble with ubuntu, or the ubuntu installer.  kubuntu is fine.
[19:31] <Amaranth> alt-f2, killall gnome-screensaver
[19:32] <Hobbsee> excluding when it refuses to boot, due to dhcp timeouts on 2 connections (which i think stopped)
[19:32] <keescook> Amaranth: yeah.... all shortcuts should be disabled...
[19:32] <Amaranth> keescook: If gnome-screensaver would grab the damn screen properly...
[19:32] <keescook> Amaranth: heh.  is that fixable?
[19:33] <keescook> i.e. does it make sense to fix it in gnome-screensaver instead?  (does xscreensaver do it right?)
[19:33] <evand> Hobbsee: well, kubuntu doesn't have m-a yet, for one.
[19:33] <Hobbsee> evand: perhaps that's why.  usually, m-a isnt the problem.
[19:33] <Hobbsee> did the bug about the manual partitioning freezing ever get solved, btw?
[19:34] <evand> yes
[19:34] <Hobbsee> \o/
[19:34]  * Hobbsee glares at ubiquity
[19:34] <Amaranth> keescook: The funny thing is gnome-screensaver uses the exact same code as gksu
[19:34] <Amaranth> keescook: and gksu works fine
[19:34] <Hobbsee> please dont freeze before you've *started* the install.
[19:35] <evand> haha
[19:35] <keescook> Amaranth: weird indeed :(
[19:36] <Amaranth> keescook: iirc the problem is that there is an implicit unmap/map when you unredirect a window (unredirect fullscreen windows option in compiz) which makes gnome-screensaver lose its locks
[19:36] <Amaranth> So it's possible gksu works because it does the locks at a different time
[19:36]  * keescook nods
[19:37] <Amaranth> hell, it's probably a race condition
[19:37] <Amaranth> because it doesn't always happen
[19:37] <keescook> Amaranth: can I assign the bug to you?  it needs fixing, but I don't have any experience with the affected code
[19:37] <Amaranth> keescook: I beat my head against that one for a week
[19:37] <keescook> eek
[19:37] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: better it freeze then than after it's starting writing to the disk
[19:38] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: it's already done that.
[19:38] <Amaranth> mvo had something that mostly worked
[19:38] <mvo> Amaranth, keescook: I had fun with it too, I though I fixed it :/
[19:38] <mvo> I guess I need to do a night shift then
[19:38] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: and i managed to kill X somehow while running display-gtk, adn trying to display the resolution, so i had to kill the install then too
[19:38]  * mvo goes to make some tea
[19:39] <keescook> mvo, Amaranth: okay, I'll let you guys work this out.  I need to get a system that can actually handle compiz.  ;)
[19:41]  * mvo switches network
[19:42] <seb128> Hobbsee: wrong? you switched back to KDE after 10min not an hour? ;)
[19:42] <Hobbsee> seb128: no.  i'm still trying to get the bloody thing to install
[19:42] <Hobbsee> evand: ROCK ON!  it's actually behaving correctly, it seems.
[19:44] <evand> Hobbsee: fantastic
[19:44] <evand> I've been unable to reproduce it letting you pass with an empty password thusfar
[19:44] <evand> so it at least doesn't occur in the basic case
[19:44] <Hobbsee> seb128: my kde install is botched anyway, due to reformatting swap.
[19:44] <Hobbsee> so i may as well fight with this one :P
[19:51] <Hobbsee> uh oh
[19:53] <Hobbsee> clock.windback()
[19:56] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: evand looks like we have success.  dont panic :)
[19:56] <Hobbsee> however, most unfortunately, i'ts 5am.
[19:56] <Hobbsee> and the sun is coming up.
[19:56] <mvo> keescook: its fun, xscreensaver is indeed not affected
[19:56]  * evand 's heart starts beating again
[19:56] <Hobbsee> oh wait, perhaps not
[19:57] <Hobbsee> nope, we got beyond 88%.  excellent.
[19:57] <Hobbsee> configuring the hardware...
[19:57] <keescook> mvo: hunh, so the issue is likely with gnome-screensaver then?
[19:57] <evand> now you're clearly just toying with me ;)
[19:57] <Hobbsee> evand: no, i got the order wrong :)
[19:57] <mvo> keescook: or in the interaction, g-s-s and x-s-s work dfferently internaly
[19:57] <Hobbsee> i thought it did the import at 78, not 88%
[19:58] <evand> ah
[19:58] <mvo> keescook: its a bugger of a bug, I have a sledgehammer patch, but there must be a better way
[19:58] <Hobbsee> and this forecast is mega-cool!  :D
[19:59] <keescook> I'm going to yank an nvidia card out of my ppc box.  maybe then I can get compiz on my desktop.  ;)
[19:59] <liw> I'm having trouble upgrading to feisty-updates (as part of an upgrade test for gutsy), and it fails, because of openoffice -- is this known?
[20:00] <mvo> liw: in what way does it fail ? ttf-opensymbols maybe?
[20:00]  * Hobbsee heads to bed, after copying files voer.
[20:00] <Hobbsee> night all!
[20:00] <Mithrandir> night, Hobbsee
[20:00] <evand> goodnight Hobbsee
[20:01] <liw> mvo, yeah
[20:01] <liw> mvo, ttf-opensymbols is not configured yet, leading to a dependency problem
[20:01] <cjwatson> liw: check your system clock
[20:01] <cjwatson> fontconfig has a known bug where it breaks if the clock is wrong
[20:01] <liw> it seems to be correct
[20:01] <liw> to within a minute
[20:01] <mvo> aha, I was suspecting the clock issue
[20:03] <liw> how exact should the clock be?
[20:03] <liw> and is there a workaround?
[20:03] <evand> liw: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[20:04] <mvo> I had this issue when my clock was a couple of weeks late, but if your clock is correct, then I don't know about the problem. does /var/log/fontconfig.log has anything interessting?
[20:04] <elmo> cjwatson: woah, neat bug
[20:04] <liw> ntpdate adjusted the clock by ... 0.06 seconds :)
[20:05] <evand> ah, nevermind then :)
[20:05]  * mvo wonders if update-manager should run ntpdate automatically when it starts
[20:05] <liw> mvo, nothing that looks interesting to me
[20:05] <liw> it says /root/.fontconfig is unwriteable, but later that it succeeds anyway
[20:06] <liw> oh, but in the apt output there's "/usr/share/fonts/truetype: failed to write cache"
[20:07] <liw> plus several other dirs, same error message
[20:07] <elmo> every command should run ntpdate, in fact ld.so should run it before running the actual binary of anything
[20:09] <liw> elmo, but that relies on new processes starting... better tie it to syscalls
[20:10] <liw> if I run "fc-cache -fs" manually, it gives the same errors
[20:19] <mvo> keescook: it looks like the actual fix needs to be done in gnome-screensaver, I have a patch (no sledgehammer this time). but a word from upstream would be good here, the code is not trivial
[20:19] <liw> strace on fc-cache doesn't tell me anything... I guess I'll just report the problem and continue with other tests
[20:20] <liw> or rather I won't report it, since it's already reported
[20:27] <keescook> mvo: can you attach the patch, just for future reference?
[20:29] <mvo> keescook: gnome-screensaver is really fun, it likes to keep track of what windows are created etc
[20:29] <mvo> keescook: I'm going to attach it and then look a bit deeper
[20:29] <keescook> mvo: okay, thanks.
[20:30] <mvo> keescook: can you give me the bugnumber again? I switched machine and it is now on the other machine
[20:32] <mvo> keescook: neverwind
[20:49] <TomaszD> hey, I'm currently remastering the gutsy iso and I have a question. What happens if I add the ati and nvidia proprietary driver packages to the standard distribution? Will it mess r-m up or will it just make it easier for people without a network connection? I'm asking because I'm not sure if installing these packages implies changing the configuration that would make e.g. fglrx work out-of-the-box which I don't want to happen or would it comple
[20:49] <TomaszD> tely mess everything up and it's not advised to include these (apart from religious beliefs about it and the law)
[20:49] <TomaszD> pitti, ?
[20:51] <Burgundavia> TomaszD: it is not religous belief, it is genuine concern about breaking the law
[20:52] <TomaszD> Burgundavia, I'm asking from a purely technical standpoint, nothing else. I need to know if having these packages installed makes them work ootb or do you still need r-m to change the configuration
[20:53] <Amaranth> TomaszD: You don't want to do that
[20:53] <Amaranth> TomaszD: Both fglrx and nvidia-glx replace libGL.so.1
[20:54] <Amaranth> TomaszD: I don't even think you can install both of them and if you can you'll just make users have to remove one or both of them to get 3D
[20:54] <TomaszD> ah that's what I needed to know, again saved from a potential disaster
[20:54] <TomaszD> thanks Amaranth
[20:54] <Amaranth> no problem
[20:55] <Amaranth> We're going to have to figure out a solution for that eventually
[20:56] <TomaszD> yeah, besides one could have an ati and and nvidia graphics card in the same computer (one onboard and one in the pci express slot, or both in pci-x)
[20:59] <Amaranth> TomaszD: Completely not supported :)
[20:59] <Amaranth> TomaszD: Of course the 'solution' is open source drivers that use mesa
[21:00] <TomaszD> of course.
[21:09] <pitti> TomaszD: you mean change the livefs to have them installed by default?
[21:10] <TomaszD> pitti, yeah. I'm currently modyfing the gutsy iso, basically just adding the Polish localization packages and making Polish as default, but also adding some more applications and games
[21:13] <pitti> TomaszD: what do you drop instead? just other langpacks?
[21:14] <TomaszD> pitti, I'm not dropping anything. My medium of choice is DVD :]
[21:14] <TomaszD> though I've had my 7.04 remix done within 700mb constraints once, downloaded 120 times
[21:16] <pitti> TomaszD: ah, that would help :)
[21:16] <TomaszD> indeed
[21:19] <Intangir> someone put me on the ubuntu development bug tracking mailing list
[21:19] <Intangir> and im getting like 100 mails a day
[21:19] <Intangir> how do i get off of it..
[21:19] <Intangir> its a launchpad thing i think
[21:20] <cjwatson> Intangir: please put a sample mail (including *full* mail headers) on paste.ubuntu.com so we can see where it might be coming from
[21:22] <Intangir> oh its cause im on ubuntu-desktop-effects group/project on launchpad
[21:22] <Intangir> ive been on it for months though and it never sent me all this mail before
[21:22] <Intangir> how do i get off of a group on launchpad?
[21:23] <Intangir> nevermind i just found it
[21:24] <pochu> Intangir: that team's mail address was set to the admin's one, so only he was receiving all those mails. But he might have removed it, so now all the members are getting them.
[21:24] <Intangir> wow seems like they sure are busy
[21:24] <cjwatson> from ubuntu-desktop-effects you should only be getting bugs about compiz, compiz-fusion-plugins-main, and xserver-xgl
[21:24] <cjwatson> of course that may still be rather a lot
[21:24] <Intangir> ya its alot apparently ;)
[21:25] <cjwatson> as you've probably already found, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop-effects/+leave will let you leave the team
[21:25] <cjwatson> alternatively it may be worth asking the admin if the team's e-mail address should be set to a mailing list or something
[21:25] <Intangir> well i already left it
[21:25] <cjwatson> since it has rather a lot of members
[21:26] <Intangir> seems like someone recently changed the emailing though
[21:27] <Intangir> laters
[21:47] <pitti> BenC: btw, feel free to upload the dapper.2 packages to -proposed once they are ready (not sure whether you are waiting for an ack from me or are just still busy with tests)
[21:47] <BenC> pitti: just finishing things up
[21:47] <BenC> pitti: I'm done with changes, just need to dpkg-buildpackage and upload
[21:48] <pitti> \o/
[22:38] <calc> slangasek: i uploaded the ooo 1ubuntu5.1 today for gutsy-proposed
[22:39] <slangasek> calc: ok, cheers
[22:44] <ScottK> slangasek: There was a gnugpg bug in Feisty that resulted in gpg.conf not being created.  It's fixed in Gutsy, but upgraders from a fresh Feisty install need to do a manual action to get a gpg.conf.  I think it ought to get in release notes.
[22:44]  * ScottK looks for the reference.
[22:44] <slangasek> seems to me that should've rather been put in the feisty release notes?
[22:45] <ScottK> slangasek: Bug #76983 is the bug.
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 76983 in gnupg "Doesn't create settings correctly on first start" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76983
[22:45] <ScottK> Well I didn't it wasn't fixed then.
[22:45] <ScottK> err
[22:45] <ScottK> It wasn't fixed then.
[22:45] <ajmitch> sounds more like feisty errata than feisty release note material
[22:46] <slangasek> yes, release notes are primarily for documenting things that aren't fixed :-)
[22:46] <ajmitch> if known at the time of release :)
[22:46] <ScottK> OK.  Well if you don't manually make the gpg.conf and you are upgrading from a Feisty install, it's not fixed.
[22:47] <ajmitch> I'm sure there are many bugs we could mention in release notes if we knew about them
[22:48] <ScottK> Well for Kubuntu we have GPG and S/MIME by default as a feature for this release.  If the gpg.conf isn't there, it won't work.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KMailGPGAgent#head-c6757d6675d3932eaeffb136479725842a81d9b6
[22:48] <cjwatson> ajmitch: release notes are editable post-release
[22:49] <ScottK> slangasek: Up to you, but I think it's worth a mention.
[22:49] <cjwatson> it does seem that it's something upgraders to gutsy need to know about though?
[22:49] <ajmitch> cjwatson: good point
[22:49] <cjwatson> but I don't feel strongly
[22:49] <slangasek> ScottK: so the specific issue is that use-agent is in the options.skel, and fails to be copied to .gnupg/gpg.conf?
[22:50] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:50] <slangasek> ok; that's a lot more specific and IMHO reasonable to document
[22:50] <ScottK> That's what hurts Kmail, but the lack of gpg.conf is a general not ideal situation.
[22:50] <ScottK> OK
 the default gpg.conf has only two options enabled :)
[22:51] <slangasek> do you want to propose some text, or should I?
[22:51] <ScottK> Please go ahead if you will.  I'm already 6 minutes past when the babysitter quit for the day.
[22:52] <slangasek> right
[22:52] <ScottK> slangasek: If you need me to propose text, I can do it later tonight (+ ~4 hours)
[22:53] <slangasek> nah, it needs to be done before then anyway if it's going t obe included in the launch version
[22:54] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.  I'm off to find my children.  Good evening.
[22:56] <slangasek> ScottK: later :)
[22:56] <slangasek> StevenK: quick! dexter has orphaned libapache2-mod-auth-plain and libapache2-mod-auth-pam, kill the yada!
[23:00] <soren> StevenK: LOL @ "Accidently convert package to using cdbs, since a few people have a vendetta against yada.
[23:00] <soren> "
[23:00] <soren> Dear $DEITY.
[23:00] <soren> It's the first time I've laid eyes on a package using yada. It's hideous!
[23:02] <ajmitch> soren: why did you look?
[23:07] <slangasek> in response to my above comment, I assume. :)
[23:08] <azeem> another victim of an innocent vorlon comment
[23:09] <slangasek> I'm like that
[23:12] <ajmitch> poor, trusting fool :)
[23:27] <tepsipakki> who broke wiki authentication?
[23:27] <ajmitch> 11:22 < kiko> we're having problems with the DC machines
[23:27] <ajmitch> so probably related to that
[23:27] <tepsipakki> gah
[23:27] <lamego> grrr
[23:27] <tepsipakki> my edits are gone then
[23:27] <lamego> I lost a lot of text
[23:28] <stgraber> +1
[23:28] <lamego> I would kick someone right now
[23:28] <tepsipakki> I have a can on the table, hmm
[23:28] <tepsipakki> there
[23:29] <lamego> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[23:37] <tepsipakki> lamego: advice; just refresh the page :)
[23:37] <tepsipakki> did the trick here, no change lost
[23:37] <lamego> grrr, now you tell me
[23:38] <lamego> too late :(
[23:38] <tepsipakki> sorry, just noticed it myself
[23:57] <slangasek> ScottK: 76983 release-noted