[15:09] <bfiller> lool: ping
[15:10] <the_fish> lol
[15:10] <Ward1983> i think that's a timeout
[15:10] <Ward1983> :p
[15:10] <smagoun> Ward1983: If you do make any progress, please let us know. Ubuntu Mobile on other platforms like ARM is a frequent query
[15:10] <Ward1983> smagoun, sure i will if things work out
[15:11] <lool> bfiller: pong
[15:12] <bfiller> lool: I built the hildon-desktop from bzr and tried it with the latest stuff from moblin. Seemed to have some problems. Was wondering if you have tested this at all..
[19:00] <Ward1983> :-)
[19:03] <mfrey> HappyCamp: ping
[19:03] <HappyCamp> mfrey, 
[19:04] <mfrey> HappyCamp: have you had any luck getting the bootsplash to work on a menlow device?
[19:04] <HappyCamp> I don't think I have tried that, rob_moblin may know more.
[19:05] <HappyCamp> I am not quite sure what you mean by bootsplash mfrey ?
[19:05] <mfrey> I mean usplash
[19:05] <mfrey> sorry
[19:05] <mfrey> the graphical boot progress
[19:05] <robr_> and that works
[19:05] <robr_> usplash works on a menlow
[19:06] <mfrey> I have never seen it work -- is there something special
[19:06] <mfrey> I have a crown beach
[19:06] <robr_> at least with the kernel we have on moblin.org, i haven't tried the ubuntu kernel in a while
[19:06] <mfrey> I am using the ubuntu kernel
[19:06] <mfrey> Is there something needed in the kernel for this to work
[19:07] <HappyCamp> mfrey, for one thing, it will only work on an installed image.
[19:07] <HappyCamp> Will not work on LiveUSB.
[19:07] <robr_> mfrey: i remember it was broken before and a bug was filed, i thought it was fixed...i'm having trouble remembering the root cause
[19:08] <mfrey> robr_: I think it was the VESA fb driver was not enabled -- which it now is
[19:08] <robr_> HappyCamp is correct, it should only work when booting off the hard disk with the installed image, it's disabled in the usb live image
[19:09] <mfrey> I am using only an install image
[19:09] <robr_> sounds like it's broken then with the ubuntu kernel :-(
[19:09] <mfrey> Any suggestions where I might look -- I would like to fix it
[19:10] <robr_> usplash is called in the initramfs, i'd start there ...
[19:11] <robr_> if i remember correctly from the discussion (maybe amitk could rember better), usplash shouldn't be using the kernel FB driver, it should be using it's own libvga calls
[19:13] <robr_> i was under the impression that usplash's FB interface was broken 
[19:14] <mfrey> ok -- so maybee the libvga stuff is missing
[19:14] <amitk> mfrey: I have a working usplash on my crownbeach
[19:15] <mfrey> amitk: Please tell me the magic
[19:16] <amitk> mfrey: Just installed the image created by image-creator
[19:16] <mfrey> amitk: me too and no usplash
[19:16] <amitk> mfrey: what kernel are you using?
[19:16] <mfrey> amitk: the ubuntu kernel not moblin
[19:20] <amitk> mfrey: I am updating my install now.. be back with the results
[19:20] <mfrey> amitk: thanks
[19:55] <amitk> HappyCamp: http://www.moblin.org/apt/pool/main/g/galculator/galculator_1.2.5.2-2moblin2_lpia.deb  404 Not Found
[19:55] <HappyCamp> amitk, apt-get update?
[19:56] <amitk> HappyCamp: done it several times on the crownbeach... get the same error when trying to create a new target in image-creator
[19:56] <HappyCamp> amitk, rustyl has been making changes to galculator like crazy this morning.
[19:56] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: BTW, I did receive an email about galculator not being built on some internal intel machine. I wonder that's because my email is on the changelog?
[19:56] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, yeah, we fixed that :)
[19:57] <HappyCamp> amitk, current version is galculator_1.2.5.2-2moblin3_lpia.deb
[19:57] <HappyCamp> http://www.moblin.org/build-results/projects/galculator/lpia/
[19:57] <amitk> lets try again
[19:57] <HappyCamp> http://www.moblin.org/apt/pool/main/g/galculator/
[19:58] <agoliveira> HappyCamp: Cool. I just found that scary :)
[19:58] <agoliveira> Hmmm... geoclue actually works :)
[19:59] <amitk> HappyCamp: seems to be fixed now. I must've hit the repo at a unfortunate time
[20:05] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: cool, you are using geoclue...i think it rocks
[20:06] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Just testing the bits I can for now. I wonder if I could make it work with a GPS module... I think I'm going to buy one.
[20:07] <ian_brasil> it relies on gpsd so i imagine so
[20:09] <ian_brasil> i think remember somewhere reading that gps is going to be built into the chip on MID...you know more about this?
[20:16]  * ian_brasil thinks this might have been a dream though
[20:17] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I vaguely recall something of the sorts but also don't know for sure.
[20:20] <ian_brasil> it is working in software i think...it gets hard to remember whether you read something somewhere or just thought about it somewhere
[20:23] <agoliveira> Maybe this one: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ :)
[20:24] <agoliveira> $479 ouch...
[20:30] <ian_brasil> that must have been it then!
[20:30]  * ian_brasil was worried he was smoking too much crack
[20:35]  * agoliveira wonders if our Nokia friends can get one or two for a nice low price :)
[20:41] <amitk> agoliveira: I am guessing that some might be available in the developer program, but it is just a guess.
[20:45] <Mithrandir> ooh, shiny.  I need to get somebody to get me one of those. :-)
[20:46] <amitk> Mithrandir: why does the menlow image created by image-creator still contain linux-image-lpiacompat?
[20:46] <HappyCamp> Mithrandir, anybody else, is Nautilus the search in Gutsy?  In top Nautilus is taking up 20% of my processor time.
[20:47] <smagoun> amitk: It's an fset bug; HappyCamp has a patch
[20:47] <amitk> cool
[20:48] <Mithrandir> amitk: I don't know, it shouldn't be.
[20:48] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: no idea, it doesn't for me
[20:49] <HappyCamp> :(  I am doing a big copy of files, and Nautilus is taking up all the processor time.  So I thought maybe it was the search feature.
[20:49] <HappyCamp> Though I thought it was some kind of desktop manager or something.
[20:49] <smagoun> Nautilus is the file manager, isn't it? trackerd is the search-tool-from-hell
[20:51] <HappyCamp> smagoun, Mithrandir amitk I have committed the change the gets rid of linux-ume from menlow fset.
[20:51]  * agoliveira thinks trackerd is evil
[20:52] <HappyCamp> You can get it via git at Moblin.org
[20:52] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, +1
[20:52] <smagoun> HappyCamp: thanks much, that's a big help for us
[20:53] <HappyCamp> smagoun, hopefully I did it correctly :)
[20:53] <amitk> agoliveira: http://www.nseries.com/index.html#l=products,n810 if you want to see it in action
[20:53] <smagoun> HappyCamp: that's all I did, and it WFM
[20:53] <amitk> mfrey: confirmed that usplash not working. It was working before because of the moblin kernel
[20:54] <mfrey> amitk: ok -- that is what I thought
[20:54] <mfrey> amitk: I looked at the kernel config and did not see anything obvious
[20:55] <agoliveira> "This device is not avaiable in your country"... let me see, a high tech device that I can't buy here in Brazil... tell me something new.
[20:55] <smagoun> hey, it says the same thing for the USA
[20:55] <smagoun> so you're in good company :)
[20:57] <agoliveira> smagoun: In your case it's temporary as the device is not for sale yet (or not in stores at least).
[20:59] <Ward1983> is there some sort of handwriting recognition in ubuntu-mobile?
[21:00] <Mithrandir> Ward1983: not yet
[21:00] <Ward1983> Mithrandir, maybe cellwriter can be interesting then
[21:00] <Ward1983> Mithrandir, works great with my wacom tablet
[21:01] <ian_brasil> seems like its using a gecko based browser...no more opera !
[21:02] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: I was thiking about the same...
[21:02] <guardian> Ward1983: my company develops handwriting recognition technology
[21:03] <amitk> ian_brasil: I can confirm that
[21:03] <Ward1983> guardian, nice, anything for linux?
[21:03] <guardian> sure
[21:03] <Ward1983> guardian, closed source, and not free i presume?
[21:03] <guardian> the main problem is somehow the lack of a generalized host for input methods
[21:03] <guardian> you presume well :(
[21:03] <guardian> i can't do much about this
[21:03] <Ward1983> guardian, i know i'm not blaming you
[21:04] <guardian> and about the plugin host, there is scim, uim, xim, hildon input method
[21:04] <Mithrandir> guardian: hildon input method should fix that bit, I presume?
[21:04] <guardian> well not really at some point
[21:04] <Mithrandir> well, so there's not just one, but an array of them
[21:04] <agoliveira> amitk: I rather buy a device for a good price than get one in a developper's program. This way I don't feel obligated to develop software for it as my time is already short enough...
[21:04] <guardian> because hildon input method is a bridge to gtkim
[21:04] <guardian> so the application has to be gtk based, or wrapped by gtk
[21:04] <guardian> which is not the case for the moblin's browser for instance as far as i remember
[21:04] <guardian> but i did not build an image for weeks
[21:05] <amitk> true
[21:05] <ian_brasil> agoliveira: you are not obliged to develop software just make a donation to an open source foundation of your choice
[21:06] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: In that case, bring me one :)
[21:06] <guardian> Ward1983: i'm frustrated because it's fucking working well :) i have so much ndas on the back
[21:06] <ian_brasil> and obviously make some noise about the program, the device etc
[21:06] <Ward1983> guardian, if your company sells it, then it better be good! lol
[21:06] <guardian> this afternoon at work we talked about general chat about handwriting recognition technology on the internet and it came out it's ok to tell someone's working on it out there :D
[21:07] <Ward1983> working on?
[21:07] <guardian> well the technology is ready and integrated in many places
[21:08] <guardian> now it's just a matter of gui and writing a plugin to scim or xim or else
[21:08] <guardian> hildon has been done
[21:08] <Ward1983> guardian, i googled it, i did not know about hildon
[21:08] <Ward1983> guardian, looks good
[21:11] <Ward1983> great that its open now
[21:12] <guardian> the hildon input method framework ?
[21:12]  * agoliveira is going to pick up the dog at the vet and torture the neighbors AKA pratice saxophone.
[21:12] <Ward1983> guardian, yes
[21:13] <guardian> well it's always good new stuff appears
[21:13] <guardian> i'm not sure it changes much things
[21:14] <Ward1983> guardian, still its nice
[21:14] <guardian> sure
[21:14] <mfrey> amitk: Mithrandir guys I noticed that the usplash deb is not installed by default -- could this be part of the problem?
[22:39] <Inuka> robr, ping...
[23:25] <mawhalen> ToddBrandt: you on line?  Can you call my work phone?