[15:54] drunken-wallaby: there was no recording scheduled at the channel it switched to? [15:55] frank__ no, i extra checked this. there are no recordings scheduled at all.... [15:55] DiggThis: what do you mean by reverse dvd sybmbolic links? [15:55] bug #45518 [15:55] DaveMorris, seems like it's missing a number [15:56] yeah, it looks short [15:56] drunken-wallaby: does it give you a grey screen with a 30 second count down? [15:56] DaveMorris: DiggThis, you mean point /dev/dvd somewhere else? [15:56] DaveMorris no, it just switches channel (or probably tuner, i'm not sure) just as if i were changing channels manually [15:57] it's not mythbuntu related at all, but i wanted to rely on ubotu to make life easier :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45518 [15:57] !45518 [15:57] Sorry, I don't know anything about 45518 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:58] !bug #1 [15:58] ubotu, you suck [15:58] interesting, so ubotu isn't looking for bugs anymore [15:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about you suck - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [15:58] bug #1 [15:58] #1 [15:58] #45518 [15:58] bug 45518 [15:59] bug 137167 [15:59] hmm [15:59] drunken-wallaby: I'm not sure then, I've never seen that before, your not pressing anything on the laptop either? [16:00] drunken-wallaby, you've checked the frontend logs and the backend logs? [16:00] DaveMorris. no, i've a dedicated mythbox. remotecontrol and keyboard of the mythbox are at least 5 metres away from me.... and i've no clue how to debug this.... [16:00] does it always happen? [16:01] tgm4883 i did check both log-files but i didn't find anything that caught my eyes... [16:01] can you paste bin the frontend/backend logs [16:01] !pastebin [16:01] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [16:01] bug 137167 [16:01] tgm4883 hard to say, 3 times over the last 3 hours or so, but not regulary. [16:01] ok, i'll post the logs.... [16:03] sorry yes point dvd somewhere else cause in mythtv the dvd drives seem to be reversed [16:03] how do i restore natural order? [16:10] frontend log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40944/ [16:10] backend log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40945/ [16:13] drunken-wallaby: when did it happen ~ in your time zone? [19:00] solarbaby: superm1 has finshed the lirc for gutsy now, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy it might be helpful for you [19:01] yeah it doesn't reflect anything on usb-uirt that solarbaby has discovered, that stuff will be merged in after he gets it in the forums [19:01] oh ok [19:16] Im still working on my post [19:16] it'll be done very soon === superm1_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-mythtv to: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv :: Mythbuntu 7.10 Release Candidate Released :: See our website at http://www.mythbuntu.org :: Paste logs @ http://pastebin.ubuntu.com :: See http://www.mythbuntu.org/support for support information" [19:24] superm1_: should i leave out the howto on using a free scraper for tvlistings.zap2it.com? [19:25] superm1_: Im cheap.. I didn't wanna pay until I know for sure I want to use Myth.. hehe [19:25] solarbaby, i haven't heard of such things. what is the take of posting it on the regular mythtv-users mailing list? [19:25] want to see it? [19:25] i dont want to immediately shoot down the idea of it, but would probably prefer to use their preference on postings [19:25] also though, i don't want to jeapordize us being on bad terms with schedules direct [19:26] sure put it in a pastebin for now [19:26] If I post this, my directions are so easy to get free listings people will most likely never pay [19:26] yeah i would say don't then [19:26] Ok good point I will keep this howto to myself when it comes to EPG [19:26] if anything put it on your own personal blog [19:26] but i'd prefer to keep it out of the forums in that case [19:26] I dont have a personal blog but ya.. I use this for myself [19:27] I agree with you [19:27] want it? [19:27] i'll look at it, i'm curious to see what's involved [19:27] but i'm going to keep paying for SD either way myself :) [19:28] Im just poor [19:38] * DaveMorris uses the EIT [20:20] where do I find our help forums? [20:20] I've got some posting to do [20:21] $forums [20:21] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums. [20:21] Thanks Dave [20:21] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301 [20:21] $url [20:21] http://zbanks.mine.nu/myth [20:22] $owner [20:22] Although I didn't know, ubotu says: This bot is owned & operated by Seveas. For questions/requests/comments, join #ubuntu-bots [20:22] I thought our help forums would be UbuntuMyth or something like that [20:22] therethinker: is this bot yours? [20:33] Darn it - The cable company i think rearranged the channels [20:33] Now i got Lifetime recording when it should be recording Cartoonnetwork. :( [20:41] DaveMorris: mythbuntu is mine [20:42] *mythbot [20:46] ok, I can't access the site to set new defintions === mdmcmull is now known as mobian [20:52] ls [20:52] hey all, trying to figure out why the screensaver comes on while watching videos. Is there some way to stop that ? [20:53] I disabled it completely in xfce4's settings, but that's not the ideal solution... anyone else seen this behavior ? [20:53] Nope [20:53] but my install is as default as they come [20:54] I haven't ever seen the screensaver go on while watching a movie [20:54] so thats just weird [20:54] does the screensaver come on when expected (e.g. not watching tv) ? [20:54] yeah [20:55] ok, I did tweak a few things in how it logs in when first booting up, so maybe I broke something there :). I'll try it out with a default setup [20:55] and thats why my setup is as default as possibel [20:55] :-) [20:55] I just got done writing up some docs from this perspective [20:56] now that all the note taking is done, I too will start screwing around [20:56] alright, going to put it back to the default and see if problems go away. thanks. [20:57] wish I had more to say about that [20:57] good luck [20:58] Hmm... dyndns kicked me for some reason -- I can't login, and theres no record of me... [20:58] I use no-ip.com [20:59] I don't like them... Dyndns is really great [20:59] I've used them for 2 years... haven't had a problem till now [21:00] I used no-ip.com because I had a readily available script for my nslue2 for redirection and updates [21:00] I dont think no-ip.com forwards all ports and allows wildcards [21:00] Im not really sure.. I know they will do email servers and stuff [21:00] Dyndns has a script to... Plus I don't need it for dynamic dns [21:00] all I need from them is port 22 [21:00] I just... am cheap :P [21:00] and they do that [21:01] im cheap too [21:02] Well, what I mean is, I'm using the free domains rather than buying a domain [21:03] I use no-ip.com without a problem [21:03] They're tons better than 1&1 -- I registered a domain from them and I couldn't use it... [21:04] I remembered I tried no-ip.com, and I had a trouble with it... [21:04] mobian: watching videos using an external player? [21:04] I forget what it was... [21:06] I dont demand much from it.. its there when I need it [21:09] Yeah, DynDNS is great, again I've used it for 2 years without any problem. [21:16] no, actually watching recordings (or videos or DVD) using internal player [21:16] I'm trying to create a new user and have it autologin with that user on the off chance I mucked with one too many settings [21:21] Bug #147905 [21:21] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/147905 [21:21] ubuto is broke [21:21] Squish the Bug Dead [21:21] mobian: that was for you [21:22] He must have found your bug [21:22] ah, i'll take a look at that right now, thanks DaveMorris [21:23] Wow, Dyndns got back to me in... under 10 minutes [21:24] and the problem? [21:25] Inactivity... [21:27] easy to get sorted? [21:28] Yeah :P [21:33] but wait, that bug DaveMorris mentioned looks like it says Xscreensaver doesn't work with mythfrontend. Doesn't mythbuntu use gnome-screensaver as well ? [21:33] so no one else has any screensaver issues I take it ? [21:33] is there a gutsy weekly build for mythtv yet? [21:35] mobian: Do you know which one is been launched? As the default for xfce is Xscreensaver [21:35] and mythbuntu uses xfce [21:38] $wiki [21:38] $bugs [21:40] DaveMorris, I had assumed it was gnome-screensaver because under the "Screensaver Settings" it looked exactly like gnome-screensaver and not xscreensaver, but let me double check [21:41] yeah, did a "ps aux | grep screensaver" and gnome-screensaver is running [21:41] mobian, are you doing mythbuntu, or Ubuntu+mythtv? [21:42] mythbuntu [21:42] did you install from beta, rc or which? [21:42] i originally installed from beta, but have done upgrades through the update manager [21:42] Should I do a dist-upgrade or something ? [21:43] and these come up during mplayer i'm guessing [21:44] screensaver comes on when watching any recordings, videos, or dvd. I am using the internal player in mythfrontend, not vlc or mplayer [21:44] well that shouldn't be occurring. [21:45] can you check /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log? [21:45] and make sure there is a line about gnome screensaver turning on [21:45] hrm, that's odd. I don't have a /var/log/mythtv directory. I do remember seeing an error about that when mythfrontend started [21:46] let me create one, and restart mythfrontend and see what it says [21:46] umm. [21:46] you can't have a functional box without one [21:46] unless you deleted it yourself [21:46] it is there by default [21:46] no, i did not delete [21:46] i have two separate frontend-only boxes [21:46] let me see if the other one has that directory [21:46] oh i see. [21:47] yeah, neither frontend only box have that directory. [21:47] they probably should though right ? [21:47] well that appears to be an oversight in our packaging [21:47] ah yes. [21:47] its made by mythbackend's package [21:47] ah, ok [21:47] didn't consider that it might be needed for frontend to log there too [21:48] look in /tmp [21:48] it falls back to that [21:48] ah, yeah, I see the log there [21:49] interesting, nothing in the logs about gnome-screensaver or screensaver at all [21:49] i was under impression that it was xfce that was starting it up [21:49] it is [21:49] xfce does start it up [21:49] oh, but myth should log that event or detect it ? [21:49] here is what you should see [21:50] um er hold on a sec. [21:51] well i thought it was supposed to say something about it, but i'm not seeing it in my frontend log either [21:51] let m check mine [21:52] * DaveMorris is running edgy with no logs [21:53] well mine used to put it out in the log, that's odd that it doesn't anymore [21:53] ohhh [21:53] that's why [21:53] it shows up in ~/.xsession-errors [21:53] 2007-10-17 15:52:35.337 Gnome-Screensaver support enabled [21:53] is what you will see [21:54] Yes, I do see that there [21:55] Logging to /tmp/mythwelcome.5196.log instead [21:55] 2007-10-17 15:42:02.075 Using runtime prefix = /usr [21:55] 2007-10-17 15:42:02.123 Gnome-Screensaver support enabled [21:55] 2007-10-17 15:42:02.124 DPMS is active. [21:55] you are using mythwelcome? [21:55] no, not sure why it says that..... [21:56] In fact in /var/log I have a "mythfrontend.5196.log" [21:56] that could be laga's fault with a typo in logging to that file [21:56] but in any which case [21:56] gnome screensaver support is enabled [21:56] ok, so I'm using Gnome-Screensaver, so it *should* work [21:59] mobian, can you file a bug about the logging against the mythtv package in ubuntu? [21:59] that way we remember to address that in hardy [21:59] just list where you have all of your logs showing up [21:59] and such [22:00] hi. i was wondering if any of you could make a recommendation as to what TV tuner to buy for a fresh (and first-time) deployment of mythbuntu [22:01] $spec [22:01] $specs [22:01] oh no mythbot. [22:01] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570204 [22:02] superm1, certainly, I'll file a bug about it [22:02] thanks mobian [22:02] as for your screensaver issue, i'm not sure, you're the only one that has encountered it [22:02] for now, i'd say just turn up the screensaver to like 90 min [22:02] perhaps because i'm using frontend only ? Or are others doing that too ? [22:02] until you can sort it out [22:02] well i use frontend only [22:02] and mine works as expected [22:03] hrm, ok. Any point in doing a fresh install (not like it's gentoo afterall, it'll install reasonably quickly) ? [22:03] it's gotta be some little idiosyncrasy [22:03] mobian, sure: but let me point you at a newer iso then [22:03] that has more of the apt updates in it [22:04] http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/mythbuntu-7.10-071016-i386.iso [22:04] OK, yeah, let me use the latest, that'll be great [22:04] it's also got our new theme [22:04] mobian, as seen here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/94 [22:05] oh sweet, that looks nice!! [22:05] yeah the only differences between rc and final are going to be the rest of the ubuntu archive's apt updates, that theme, and a bug fix for xmltv users [22:05] you don't by chance have an amd64 iso do you ? [22:05] no sorry, generating one is more of a pain, so we only do them at releases. [22:06] eg alphaX, beta, rc, final [22:06] no problem [22:07] actually, I think I installed using the beta one and not the rc -- but should a normal "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" keep me up to date with what's in rc ? [22:09] well it *should* [22:09] oh well, I'll just download the amd64-rc version and try the live cd [22:09] that theme that we are using for the final actually won't be in the ubuntu archive [22:10] so the only way to get it will be a manual install of the deb or off the final cd [22:10] since we put it in after the archives froze [22:10] that's cool, I can always manually install it [22:20] mobian, http://weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu_0.20071015~ppa2_all.deb [22:20] is the link to it [22:30] superm1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3552425#post3552425 [22:31] solarbaby, looks good, but i might make a recommendation [22:31] if you put the different code pieces in [CODE] [/CODE] blocks [22:31] so that it is more readable [22:31] superm1: do you have the ability to edit my post? [22:32] solarbaby, yeah i do, but i'd prefer you learned how to do it yourself, so in the future you make very readable posts too :) [22:32] superm1: hehehe [22:32] (you can edit your own posts still) [22:32] superm1: point taken [22:33] superm1: now that everything works, I need to find a new hobby [22:33] solarbaby, you can help us work on making everything easier if you'd like to join development efforts :) [22:33] superm1: im not that smart, Im just determind [22:34] don't need to be smart about all this stuff, there are tons of areas we can use help in [22:34] superm1: but Im glad to be a part of this circle.. and I may from time to time pick things that interest me [22:34] if you are good with artwork or even have ideas for what else we need [22:34] or documentation, or anything, if you want something to work on, we can give you something :) [22:35] superm1: sounds good to me.. this is the best pvr i've ever seen.. its only missing 1 little thing.. TheTVDB.com to compliment IMDB.com [22:36] If I was much of a scripter I'd try to attack that one [22:36] what's that? [22:37] superm1: It's kind of like Schedules Direct in the way that it sends you data.. you do not need a scraper to use their database to look up show information and download it [22:37] they are specificly a TV.COM replacement.. [22:37] and they are free [22:37] * DaveMorris isn't smart and manages to get some of the credit [22:37] and awesome.. I have 20 Full TV Shows that used their database to give me all the Show Info.. Its great [22:38] * rhpot1991 got the ipodexport script working with ubuntu [22:38] solarbaby, ah sounds like a very neat project [22:38] Dave your pretty cool [22:38] superm1: it's great.. I use it with my xbox [22:39] superm1: its the only thing MythTV needs according to me [22:39] solarbaby, well if you want to write a spec, if someone who does development with us wants to take it up [22:39] they can [22:41] superm1: I'll do that [22:41] what does everyone do about shows starting/ending a few seconds off? [22:41] rhpot1991, deal with it? [22:41] rhpot1991: set mythtv to record 3 minutes in advance and 10 minutes after every show [22:42] rhpot1991: its in the settings [22:42] rhpot1991, get multiple tuners [22:42] and mythtv does it automatically [22:42] solarbaby: you can write specs at $blueprints [22:43] $blueprints [22:43] ya I know, I set certain shows to start and end 1 minute early [22:43] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ [22:43] stupid bot [22:43] but I am getting missing bits when say a show ends and another show starts on the same channel [22:43] DaveMorris: Thanks [22:44] wasn't sure if there was a more elegant solution [22:44] or a way to not have a gap in between shows like that [22:45] * superm1 throws a random plate at therethinker for his bot breaking again :) [22:45] rhpot1991, not really, the only option that I know of would be to get a second tuner and set the shows to start earlier and end later [22:45] afaik [22:45] therethinker: your bot is broken ^^ [22:47] anyone actually try out Myth Recording Extender (MRE)? [22:47] tazgodx, looks good, but haven't gotten around to installing it yet [22:47] maybe this weekend [22:47] superm1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3552425#post3552425 [22:47] ive been thinking of trying it out. just curious how well it worked [22:47] much better solarbaby [22:47] thanks [22:48] superm1: it was my pleasure, and thanks for your help too [22:48] superm1: you wanna merge that into the lirc version of the doc whilst I sleep? [22:48] tazgodx, for the sports it does, it looks like it works well [22:49] DaveMorris, we'll see if i get a moment tonight [22:49] i'll let you know when i do [22:49] I thought MRE was out of date [22:50] GRAHH I HATE YOU MYTHBOT! [22:50] $mcc [22:51] $whack mythbot [22:51] /me whacks mythbot [22:51] $slap mythbot [22:51] /me slaps mythbot [22:51] * therethinker abc [22:51] * therethinker abc [22:51] hmm, now im curious if it even works anymore :) [22:52] 2006-09-09 06:47 [22:52] was the last update [22:52] yeah i just saw that [22:52] actually 1.1.2 Notes (2006-11-05 15:11) [22:52] pasted the wrong one [22:53] but it says it works with 0.19+ [22:53] unless espn's website hasn't changed since then [22:53] try it out, let me know if it works [22:53] I went to install it before and couldn't find any proof that it was worth my time [22:53] haha [22:53] ill attempt it tonight if i have time [22:54] ill add it to my list [23:01] anyone want to point me in the right direction here, I am looking to remove comercials before I encode for the ipod [23:02] rhpot1991, do you have comm flaggin on? [23:02] yep [23:02] do you want to fine tune the comm flagging? [23:03] not really, I just don't want them to show up in the ipod encoded videos [23:03] I'm not entirely sure the commflaggins is happening correctly on all shows either, but I'll deal with that if its a problem later [23:04] BTW: when is ubuntu released? Midnight in what zone? [23:04] utc [23:04] figured [23:04] not midnight though, as soon as they have the servers ready etc [23:05] has been around 15:00 utc before [23:05] but you can upgrade now [23:05] yea [23:05] seems like last time it was around 9-12am PST [23:05] I thought they were going for midnight this time -- I remember last year was 3ish [23:07] heh [23:07] "Firstly, we don’t release a new release to the Internet at any specific time, it will be released at some point on the 18th Oct 2007." [23:07] jono^^ [23:09] yeah, you can run your apt-get dist-upgrade now though and it'll work [23:10] yep [23:12] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d to pull them through my apt-cacher methinks [23:13] need to get 1385MB! [23:15] wow [23:16] I guess I should push gutsy versions of my ppa packages out now as well [23:17] DaveMorris: not to sound like an idiot, but is there a release tonight? [23:17] Yeah... [23:17] DaveMorris: Anything much being included since a week ago? [23:17] http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1059 [23:17] not sure, not been following [23:17] this is a ubuntu release not a mythbuntu one [23:17] DaveMorris: Oh Right on [23:18] DaveMorris: you guys are working on that too I gather [23:18] yeah, need to wait for installation docs etc to be completed [23:18] stilla few sections to go [23:18] work in progress is at http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/mythbuntu/complete-manual.pdf if you wanna proof read it [23:18] DaveMorris: my laptop needs to get rid of windows [23:20] DaveMorris: Thanks [23:20] any changes can you send me a mail at david.morris@greenacre.no-ip.com [23:21] DaveMorris: certainly [23:21] thanks [23:21] DaveMorris: I dont know how well I'll ready through it at the moment.. I stayed up all night getting Lirc to work for me [23:21] doesn't need to be done now [23:22] DaveMorris: and while I was doing that I was also figuring out how to Scrape zap2it.com and automatic the process ;) [23:22] but when you do do it, download it again incase I've added more to it [23:22] DaveMorris: alright [23:24] hmum [23:24] bzr won't take my public key [23:24] i've got changes to push [23:25] but its telling me that i'm crazy. [23:25] regesister a new one :P [23:25] Permission denied (publickey). [23:25] bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AssertionError: end of file reading from server. [23:25] i just de-register and re-registered it to make sure it was working [23:26] bazzar [23:26] ;) [23:26] well i'll try again later [23:26] i've got a substantial diff [23:26] that cleans up lirc a little and points stuff around [23:26] and cleans up hyperlinks [23:26] sounds good [23:27] lirc did look messy since I'd not even bothered to tidy it yet [23:27] * DaveMorris still has 1/2 his dishes to wash [23:27] yeah its still not perfect [23:27] but its better [23:28] superm1, I have intresting news [23:29] * DaveMorris waits egaly [23:29] * DaveMorris can't spell tonight [23:29] DaveMorris, check dev [23:30] $poke superm1 [23:30] /me stabs superm1 violently with a rusty spoon [23:33] superm1: just noticed after a reboot that the multiple network icons were still there. i deleted the .cache folder and restarted again and they're still there [23:33] pdragon, you must be saving settings on exit then [23:33] the best solution is to rm ~/.cache, and then ctrl alt backspace [23:33] or killall xfce4-session [23:33] so you remove them from the cache, but then save them right back [23:34] ahh ok [23:40] superm1: that fixed it. thanks :)