[15:08] <LjL> stdin: i'd sneak in "Using the ext3 filesystem, which is default in Ubuntu, is generally recommended".
[15:08] <stdin> yeah, I agree with that
[15:08] <elkbuntu> agree
[15:09] <elkbuntu> reiser breaks way too often to have random users encouraged to use it
[15:10] <stdin> something like "reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount. You can read reiserfs from Windows via http://p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html | Using !ext3, which is the default on Ubuntu, is recommended." ?
[15:10] <Pici> I'm of the 'if you have to ask' you shouldnt be using it philosophy.
[15:11] <stdin> or "...is highly recommended"
[15:11] <elkbuntu> Pici, yep. unfortunately idiots and people who think too much of themselves don't conform to said philosophy
[15:12] <elkbuntu> anyway, im overdue for bed. so g'nite
[15:48] <Flameviper> huh?
[15:48] <jdong> it's hard to believe that a client malfunction can cause you to notice the whole channel with garbage
[15:48] <Flameviper> oh, no, no
[15:48] <Flameviper> why did you ban me?
[15:49] <Flameviper> you could have just said stop and i owould have been all like ok and then we would have happy hug time
[15:49] <LjL> Flameviper: you said "you could have told me to stop", that means that you know WHAT you should have stopped.
[15:49]  * LjL hugs Flameviper
[15:49] <Flameviper> well, i had done one thing
[15:49]  * Flameviper hugs LjL
[15:50] <Pici> er. okay.
[15:51] <Amaranth> !no compiz is <reply> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[15:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[15:52] <LjL> Flameviper, anything else we can do to you?
[15:53] <Flameviper> un-b& me from #ubuntu
[15:53] <Flameviper> plz
[15:53] <LjL> i'm afraid that isn't possible
[15:53] <Flameviper> whyyyy
[15:53] <stdin> besides, "un-b&" is not a word
[15:54] <Pici> w@?
[15:54] <LjL> Flameviper: because i don't believe you didn't know you were disrupting the channel.
[15:54] <Flameviper> un-banishment
[15:54] <jdong> Pici: what's a wasperand?
[15:54] <Flameviper> :(
[15:54] <Pici> jdong: thats not an apersand.
[15:54] <Pici> nor an ampersand.
[15:54] <Flameviper> ampersand
[15:54] <Flameviper> &
[15:54] <jdong> Pici: ah, but it is an asperand. :)
[15:54] <Flameviper> I was bampersanded
[15:55] <Flameviper> ASPERAND AMPERSAND WTFUX
[15:55]  * LjL wonders how long will a certain database stay locked this time
[15:55]  * Pici wonders as well
[15:56] <LjL> Pici: ah, it's your fault then :P
[15:56]  * Seeker` is confuddled
[15:56] <Pici> LjL: wfm.
[15:56] <LjL> yeah it opened now
[15:56] <Flameviper> WTF
[15:56] <Flameviper> WHabj145u
[15:57] <Pici> elfs are hawt? interesting.
[15:57] <LjL> now what did i want to say
[15:58] <LjL> i don't know many elfs
[15:58] <LjL> but if he says so, i'll believe him, he sounds like such a serious guy
[15:58] <LjL> ah yes
[15:59] <LjL> !troll is <reply> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny. Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[15:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[15:59] <LjL> like it?
[15:59] <Pici> Sort of.  Except that people are going to use it for people who are 'just trolling' and it wont make much sense.
[16:01] <jdong> can we have an ASCII-Art please don't feed the trolls sign?
[16:01]  * jdong ducks
[16:01] <LjL> !no troll is <reply> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny. The culprit isn't in the channel anymore now. Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[16:01] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[16:01] <LjL> Pici: would that make them understand that it shouldn't be used that way?
[16:01] <jdong> and for that matter of silly feature requests,  how about ubotu replies with eliza AI whenever it can't understand a command?
[16:02] <Pici> LjL: you know how people are, they just guess at factoids.
[16:02] <LjL> jdong: if you want megahal on irc, i'll be glad to give it to you, but not on #ubuntu :)
[16:02] <jdong> haha :)
[16:02] <LjL> Pici: you know how operators are, they think they know irc commands, but then they just type /kb by mistake
[16:02] <jdong>  /j #ubotu-nightline :)
[16:03] <LjL> Pici: make the factoid name more obscure?
[16:03] <ubotu> In ubotu, jdong said: jdong is trapped in here!! how do I get out?? help!!
[16:03] <Pici> LjL: That was my thought.
[16:04] <jdong> ha, that construct never gets old
[16:04] <stdin> as soon as people see it used they'll know it anyway
[16:04] <Pici> It never does.  
[16:04] <LjL> !feeding the troll is <reply> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[16:04] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[16:04] <LjL> !forget troll
[16:04] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[16:04] <LjL> !b | jdong
[16:04] <ubotu> jdong: b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[16:04] <ubotu> WaltzingAlong called the ops in #ubuntu
[16:04] <ubotu> jdong called the ops in #ubuntu
[16:05] <jdong> LjL: haha :)
[16:06] <LjL> who reverted !ops? was the warning about only using it in emergencies such a bad idea?
[19:02] <PriceChild> ubotu's not joining very quickly...
[19:03] <Pici> Its only in offtopic :/ And I told them not to abuse it.
[19:10] <PriceChild> ubotwo seems to be ok in #ubuntu... I daren't add it to many more... and yeah I think ubotu's stuck.
[19:11] <Pici> Are we just letting people stay in #ubuntu with Gutsy questions now?
[19:12] <PriceChild> I don't have the strength to ask them to move... it seems petty now.
[19:43] <Seveas> crummy bot
[19:44] <Seveas> always decides to play up when a release is imminent
[19:44] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[19:44] <Seveas> host is back, bot will be
[19:44] <PriceChild> ubotwo seems to have been ok in #ubuntu... will remove when ubotu reappears :)
[19:44] <Seveas> it's connecting
[19:51] <PriceChild> sprinkle in #u makes me uneasy
[19:51] <Pici> me too
[19:51] <Pici> I dont know what hes talking about either
[19:56] <PriceChild> been sitting there a while waiting for ubotu to join... look away for a few seconds and it sneaks in like a fish
[19:57] <gnomefreak> .win 25
[19:57] <gnomefreak> anyone know npmccallum?
[19:57] <Pici> PriceChild: you have ops in c-f?
[19:57] <PriceChild> Pici, yes.
[19:57] <Pici> PriceChild: take a look please, someone is parting and rejoining
[19:58] <Pici> Set off my !ops hilight ;)
[20:15] <ubotu> Seeker` called the ops in #ubuntu
[20:42] <ubotu> atlfalcons866 called the ops in #kubuntu
[20:56] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Seveas said: !pronounce =~ s/^/<reply> To learn how to pronounce Ubuntu,
[20:56] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !no, syn is ACK
[21:10] <LjL> +J 2,5 set in #ubuntu
[21:15]  * Seeker` wonders how far the numbers will drop overnight
[21:25] <Seeker`> wb
[21:26] <LjL> eh? so we *have* forwarded #ubuntu-effects to #compiz-fusion?
[21:26] <LjL> wasn't everybody on the ML saying it was a bad idea?
[22:03] <LjL> !no torrents is <reply> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Gutsy: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/release/ (DVDs)
[22:05] <LjL> !no download is <reply> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive - PLEASE use BitTorrent to download Gutsy, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[22:06] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[22:07] <rob> it would be more then 5 hours until the fun, more like 15 or so right?
[22:08] <LjL> i don't really know
[22:09]  * rob is just trying to organise his day :)
[22:09] <nalioth> rob: depends on where in the world one is
[22:09] <nalioth> 3 hours GMT away
[22:09] <rob> only 3? I thought it was midday utc?
[22:09] <Seveas> rob, that's my experience as well
[22:09] <Seeker`> its thursday in 2 hours if you are in the UK
[22:10] <rob> which hasn't kicked into the new day yet
[22:10] <Seeker`> feisty was about 3pm in the UK if i remember rightly
[22:10] <Pici> But that doesnt mean that its released in 2 hours in the UK and 7 hours in the US.
[22:11] <nalioth> i've not gotten any updates in 2 or 3 days, so does that mean it's all good?  :D
[22:11] <tonyyarusso> The releases are usually early morning here (UCT-5/6), like 6 AM ish
[22:11] <rob> I'll plan to be here at midday utc, but I'll be in and out between now and then
[22:11] <Seveas> nalioth, yes
[22:11] <PriceChild> Seeker`, hehe i've heard basically every o'clock this past few days...
[22:11] <Seeker`> PriceChild: probably :P
[22:11] <tonyyarusso> but then, I have the whole day off :)
[22:11] <Seveas> nalioth, as usual, the iso's are already downloadable so expect a growing "but it's already there!!" crowd
[22:11] <Seeker`> I was just saying its release day in 2 hours, and i think feisty was about 3pm
[22:11]  * rob still has another 10 days off
[22:12] <rob> I noticed #ubuntu has jumped up by 300 people already
[22:12]  * tonyyarusso thinks they should disable Indexing in apache until it's announced
[22:12] <ompaul> I would guess 12 hours less 15 mins would be the time
[22:12] <rob> are we still going to forward #ubuntu+1 back to #ubuntu?
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[22:12] <LjL> rob: probably #ubuntu-release-party, but yeah
[22:12] <rob> righto
[22:12] <Seeker`> heh, 1337 people in #ubuntu
[22:13] <rob> 1336, quick someone join!
[22:13] <rob> 1338, nooo lets kick someone! :)
[22:13] <tonyyarusso> haha
[22:13] <rob> lets set +L 1337 :)
[22:13] <LjL> !test
[22:13] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:13] <LjL> @now
[22:13] <tonyyarusso> /remove Sorry, you aren't 1337 enough
[22:13] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 17 2007, 21:16:13 - Next meeting: MOTU Mentoring in 1 day
[22:21] <mneptok> BAM! screenshot.
[22:24] <rob> what are they mentoring on release day?
[22:24] <rob> I thought they'd be all too drunk ;)
[22:25] <PriceChild> I think its probably one of those monthly pre-scheduled things
[22:25] <rob> ah
[22:26] <mneptok> like menstruation
[22:26] <rob> that can be stopped with an injection.
[22:30] <PriceChild> -release-party have found out where the files go on mirrors before they're released
[22:30] <Seeker`> idiots
[22:30] <Seeker`> someone was posting the link in -uk
[22:33] <LjL> where do they go? :P
[22:34] <Seeker`> -22:29:25- :ApocZA : http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso - WTF IS THIS??
[22:34] <Seeker`> from -party
[22:35] <rob> heh, good job.
[22:37] <Amaranth> wow envy is pretty non-sucky now
[22:37] <Amaranth> looks like mvo helped him with it
[22:39] <PriceChild> yay :)
[22:40] <LjL> if that link is given out
[22:40] <LjL> reply that it's just the old release candidate
[22:40] <rob> yeah, but it obviously isn't.
[22:41] <LjL> rob: then lie without hope of being believed.
[22:41] <rob> heh
[22:43] <rob> Ubuntu is so 1337. We just seem to be hovering around that number, for obvious reasons ;)
[22:44] <LjL> see wido in -party
[22:46] <Amaranth> jeez it's not even release day yet and it's gone up 200
[22:49]  * Seeker` has been in -party since it had 5 people
[22:49] <PriceChild> Seeker`, I'm even more hardcore than you.
[22:49] <PriceChild> although haven't stayed solidly 8-)
[22:50]  * Seeker` doesn't understand why people are being like they are
[22:51] <Seeker`> I'm 99% sure i'm running gutsy final now, and if i'm not, it'll only be a short update until I am
[22:51] <PriceChild> Seeker`, see first paragraph or so of jono's post to planet
[22:52] <Seeker`> his link is wrong
[22:52] <Seeker`> to release-party
[22:57] <LjL> ok, enough
[22:57] <LjL> starting to kick link posters
[22:57] <PriceChild> needed to be done
[23:00] <rob> err do you guys read /. much?
[23:00] <Seeker`> rob: sorta
[23:00] <rob> http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=335401
[23:00] <LjL> hardly
[23:00] <nalioth> rob: are we nerds?
[23:00] <rob> you might want to read that then
[23:00] <PriceChild> someone said they were posting it there... i hope they haven't
[23:00] <Seeker`> LjL: What about possible torrent links?
[23:01] <LjL> PriceChild: they have.
[23:01] <LjL> PriceChild: who?
[23:01] <PriceChild> Seeker`, they'll be released when its released :)
[23:01] <Seeker`> PriceChild: I mean people are posting them in -party
[23:02] <PriceChild> LjL, rbs-tito
[23:02] <mneptok> Seeker`: torrents are 100% dependent upon final images
[23:03] <mneptok> ugh. i still have to get our torrent host ready.
[23:04] <Seeker`> i want to know who posted that to slashdot
[23:04] <Seeker`> and i am extremely annoyed that someone claimed that -uk started it
[23:06] <rob> it was anonymous
[23:06] <Seeker`> rob: yeah, which is why i want to know :P
[23:07] <Seeker`> if it wasn't anonymous, i would know who posted it
[23:07] <rob> yup
[23:12] <mneptok> no matter where you go, there you are.
[23:24] <PriceChild> Hmmm its not a crime to stay +o.... maybe they'll listen a little more.
[23:26] <PriceChild> !envy
[23:26] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[23:27] <PriceChild> Amaranth, what do you think of that ^ now then?
[23:27] <Amaranth> Well, it won't break gutsy->hardy upgrades
[23:27] <Amaranth> It has a way to call it to completely remove what it did
[23:28] <Amaranth> So update-manager will call that if envy is installed
[23:30] <Amaranth> rob: That always happens
[23:30] <Amaranth> some moron notices the mirroring has started and tells everyone it's a leak
[23:31]  * Seeker` may actually have to leave -release-party in a minute
[23:31] <Amaranth> then that mirror gets completely shut down by everyone trying to use it
[23:32] <PriceChild> Amaranth, see he slashdot link?
[23:33] <PriceChild> doesn't seem to have been noticed.
[23:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[23:33] <Amaranth> marked it 'stupid'
[23:34] <PriceChild> I don't have an account unfortunately :P
[23:34]  * Seeker` marked it as stupid
[23:35] <PriceChild> *grins at them not knowing who cjwatson is*
[23:35] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Obviously just some random Ubuntu-UK guy
[23:36] <PriceChild> gah.... when isn't it
[23:36] <Seeker`> PriceChild: grins at who?
[23:36] <PriceChild> Seeker`, just in general
[23:40] <Daviey> @login
[23:40] <ubotu> OK
[23:40] <PriceChild> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr <kahrytan>
[23:46] <PriceChild> Several of the devs are jumping into -party
[23:51] <Amaranth> #ubuntu-release-party is good training for remembering how to deal with hundreds of hysterical people at once
[23:51] <mc44> party!
[23:51] <Seeker`> Amaranth: tear gas?
[23:53] <mneptok> ugh. with that stupid /. URL it should be #ubuntu-release-partly
[23:54]  * mc44 blames mneptok for all insanity in the next 24 hours
[23:55] <mneptok> at least i'm off the hook for the previous 24
[23:56] <PriceChild> yeah we nailed that ubuntu-uk lot for that.
[23:57] <Seeker`> PriceChild: You being one of the -uk lot