[16:11] <Graelb> Hello, how do i set this up so that i run compiz on X initiation with the arguments "compiz --indirect-rendering --replace"
[16:11] <vinze> Graelb, in Settings->Autostarted Applications
[16:12] <Graelb> Oh. I figured i would have to find the config file and edit that or something
[16:13] <vinze> Oh wait, X initiation... Autostarted Applications makes it run on login
[16:13] <Graelb> Well, the problem is that the system defaults the window manager to compiz, but it doesn't have those arguments
[19:14] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i am now :)
[19:14] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: ;)
[19:15] <Kilroo> Grrrr.
[19:16] <Kilroo> I'm trying to create a new user group, but after I've added it, when I close the users and groups management screen, it doesn't save my changes.
[19:16] <Kilroo> I find this irritating.
[19:17] <hyper_ch> Kilroo: sudo addgroup NAME
[19:18] <Gabriella> Hello
[19:18] <maxamillion> hello Gabriella
[19:19] <Gabriella> Can anyone help me with an external HD
[19:19] <Kilroo> interesting. THAT says the group already exists.
[19:19] <Gabriella> I couldn't find the info with fdisk -l and did a dmesg, but have no idea what I should be looking for
[19:19] <hyper_ch> Kilroo: then it exists
[19:20] <hyper_ch> Gabriella: sudo fdisk -l
[19:20] <Gabriella> Hyper: Already did that, doesn't find the info for the external
[19:20] <hyper_ch> Gabriella: did you do:  sudo ?
[19:20] <Gabriella> I did
[19:20] <Gabriella> I assume it's at the bottom of the dmesg since I just plugged it in
[19:20] <Kilroo> Ok. Then why doesn't is show up under users and groups?
[19:21] <Kilroo> Ugh. This worked before.
[19:22] <hyper_ch> Gabriella: lsusb ?
[19:22] <hyper_ch> Kilroo: no clue
[19:22] <Gabriella> Hyper: lsusb?
[19:25] <hyper_ch> Gabriella: yeah, run    lsusb
[19:27] <Gabriella> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[19:27] <Gabriella> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[19:27] <Gabriella> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter
[19:27] <Gabriella> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[19:27] <hyper_ch> [20:27] <Gabriella> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter --> looks like the usb part is working fine
[19:27] <Gabriella> If it's any help, the drive used to automount until a couple of days ago
[19:28] <Gabriella> No idea what could have caused the trouble
[19:28] <hyper_ch> I don't have a usb harddisk ;)
[19:33] <Gabriella> I'll try to improvise something
[20:12] <gerro> anyone figure out a way to make xfce4-panel stay behind applications that are full screen?
[20:36] <pili> Hi, could someone tell me what's the default theme for gutsy?
[20:36] <pili> while upgrading it did not change my themes
[20:41] <graelb> Hey quick question... is there any structural differences between xubuntu and ubuntu?
[20:43] <pleia2> they have the same base, just different meta packages installed
[20:43] <pleia2> so if you install ubuntu you can get xubuntu by installing the xubuntu-desktop metapackage
[20:44] <graelb> got it
[20:44] <graelb> ok
[20:44] <graelb> hehe
[20:49] <toosarer> could somebody tell me where can I find md5 sums for the 7.04 386 desktop release?
[20:50] <toosarer> nevermind
[21:19] <wyrd> evenin' sheep
[21:22] <neozen> meep
[22:11] <RAdams> what's the absolute minimum packages I need to get a xubuntu desktop?
[22:11] <RAdams> or rather an xfce desktop
[22:15] <fifafrazer> The new xubuntu 7.10 is extremely slow :( My 2.6 Ghz Pentium 4 with Xubuntu is much slower than my 700 mhz celeron with Absolute linux (slackware distro) And it is not just the desktop environment. Even firefox is faster on my 700 mhz box.
[22:16] <rob> tbh I prefer something like gentoo on low spec machines, not sure what the deal is with xubuntu but it is slow
[22:18] <fifafrazer> to me it seems pretty much slower than 7.04..
[22:19] <rob> I thought 7.04 was too slow :)
[22:20] <fifafrazer> yes, my 2.6 Ghz box can be considered as a low spec machine nowadays.. Xubuntu requires dual-core, one core for the system and DE, and one core for the apps :)
[22:22] <fifafrazer> 7.04 was slow too, but the features could justify it's low speed, but with 7.10, it's gone too far :D
[22:24] <rob> yup
[22:39] <neozen-work> ..................................................?
[22:39] <neozen-work> dual-core requirements?
[22:39] <neozen-work> tell me you're joking
[22:39] <neozen-work> though I will agree w/ 7.04 seeming sluggish
[22:40] <neozen-work> ...this is on a 1.4ghz box
[22:40] <pili> on my pentium500 gutsy works fine
[22:40] <neozen-work> only seemed sluggish w/ many apps running
[22:40] <neozen-work> ie... over 25
[22:40] <neozen-work> (NADD much?)
[22:41] <pili> Could someone tell me what's the default theme for gutsy?
[22:41] <pili> while upgrading it did not change my themes
[22:42] <fifafrazer> NADD?
[22:43] <fifafrazer> I'm not joking.. The clean install of gutsy is very slowish on my computer...
[22:46] <pili> maybe a bug <fifafrazer>
[22:46] <pili> try e17 as window manager
[22:49] <fifafrazer> I've already wiped it... Trying/testing PC Linux OS right now
[22:49] <neozen-work> fifafrazer: Nerd Attention Deficiency Disorder - http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2003/07/10/nadd.html
[22:49]  * neozen-work grins
[22:55] <neozen-work> and the room goes silent...
[23:11] <keb> will there be a smooth upgrade from the LTS 6.06.1 release to the next LTS release?
[23:12] <masteroc> hey, i got a quick question, i just installed swiftfox to use instead of firefox and i was wondering how to change the quicklaunch icon that is next to the applications menu?
[23:14] <keb> masteroc : if you right-click on the icon and select Properties you can change the command that is invoked
[23:16] <masteroc> thanks
[23:16] <masteroc> also, what is the command to launch the terminal so i can add it to the quicklaunch area?
[23:17] <pili> masteroc, xfce4-terminal
[23:17] <pili> why siftfox?
[23:17] <pili> is it better?
[23:18] <pili> *swiftfox malcolmb
[23:18] <pili> sorry <masteroc>
[23:18] <keb> the swift red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog
[23:18] <masteroc> swiftfox is suppose to be faster
[23:18] <masteroc> because it is compiled for your specific processor
[23:19] <pili> is it for newwer computers?
[23:19] <masteroc> i did some render tests and it loaded pages about 3-4 secs faster...worth it i guess, it is basicallly just firefox recompiled
[23:19] <masteroc> yea
[23:19] <masteroc> any proc cept for the new dual core ones
[23:19] <masteroc> all addons and settings work i believe
[23:20] <pili> but I have a low machine, will it work faster than firefox?
[23:20] <pimp^air> hi
[23:20] <masteroc> low as in?
[23:20] <masteroc> old?
[23:20] <pimp^air> i'd like to install xubuntu to a imac bought yesterday... how ever i can't find any recent image to download
[23:20] <pimp^air> the release-candidates are gone in expectation of the new final
[23:20] <masteroc> just wait a day or 2
[23:21] <masteroc> its easier than having to download all the updated files, etc (imo)
[23:21] <pimp^air> however here it is the 18th and i don't want to wait... i'd take any RC as well, but i'd like to have a running system in 1 or 2 hours
[23:21] <pimp^air> but from a recently updated rc shouldn be so much to download
[23:21] <masteroc> also, keb, how do i expand my icons cause it is showing a little down arrow where i added the terminal?
[23:22] <keb> masteroc : right click on the panel and choose Customize, there shuold be an option for size
[23:23] <Pumpernickel> pimp^air: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/daily/current/
[23:23] <pimp^air> Pumpernickel: thanks...
[23:23] <Pumpernickel> pimp^air: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ if it's not a PPC iMac.
[23:23] <pimp^air> i even used that server several times in the past, however i always forget about it
[23:23] <pimp^air> yeah, its an intel one
[23:23] <masteroc> keb: yea i can make the icon smaller or larger, but there is only 1, not the other one that i added
[23:24] <keb> masteroc to change the icon itself, you can go into properties on it and there is an icon changing thing
[23:25] <masteroc> keb: i just want to have 2 icons up there instead of the 1 that is showing up
[23:26] <keb> you want 2 terminal icons?
[23:26] <masteroc> just 1, but all im seeing is the swiftfox one, then there is a drop down menu to the terminal one
[23:27] <masteroc> its like there is only room for 1
[23:27] <keb> masteroc : you can customize the panel to make it wider, e.g. whole screen
[23:28] <keb> e.g., Full Width
[23:29] <pimp^air> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/rc/ is this already the final version?
[23:29] <pimp^air> or is it really not available yet?
[23:30] <pimp^air> oh, i see, the filenames never seem to contain information like build-date or rc-version
[23:30] <keb> it seems to be in the release candidate directory
[23:32] <masteroc> quit
[23:32] <masteroc> mt
[23:56] <keb> wow this swiftfox is snappier