[00:00] <stgraber> yotux: the exact content is here : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20071016/gutsy-serveraddon-amd64.list
[00:00] <stgraber> yotux: it's mainly langpacks and eductional softwares
[00:01] <yotux> I was reading the wiki for fiesty thankz I am downloading the daily image that you recommended then I will re-install
[00:01] <yotux> edubuntu used two nics correct?
[00:01] <LaserJock> yotux: the addon CD has KDE Edu, gcompris, tuxpaint, tuxmath, etc.
[00:02] <LaserJock> as well as some accessories like epiphany, screem, tomboy, etc.
[00:02] <yotux> I could get those from the repos also?
[00:02] <LaserJock> of course
[00:02] <stgraber> yotux: yes, the one you select during the install is the one connected to the internet
[00:02] <LaserJock> everything in Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu come from the same repos
[00:03] <stgraber> yotux: the other will have a dhcp server running and will listen for your clients to boot
[00:03] <yotux> that is what I thought LaserJock
[00:03] <LaserJock> yotux: we are one big community
[00:03] <LaserJock> the different CDs just allow for easier installation and setup
[00:04] <yotux> I have an on board Giga nic and a standard nic in a pci
[00:04] <yotux> so I wanted to server dhcp over giga ether rather than 100mb based network
[00:05] <stgraber> right, so just select the standard NIC at the beginning of the install and the DHCP will be running on the giga one
[00:05] <yotux> cool does the wiki cover how to configure grub if a system doesn't support net booting?
[00:06] <yotux> and I am having a hard time finding giga ether card that support PXE booting
[00:07] <stgraber> you can simply use a floppy disk to act as a PXE rom
[00:07] <stgraber> (or put the floppy image on a HDD)
[00:10] <yotux> ok where would I go to get the PXE ROM
[00:10] <stgraber> rom-o-matic.net
[00:10] <yotux> thankz
[01:35] <DrX> anyone have any ideas on why none of my systems can see (ping, http, etc) each other even tho they're all on the same subnet & snm & tried two different working switches (everything can see one managed switch/router)?
[02:01] <yotux> do I have to setup my second eth connection after a fresh install?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> yotux: if it was physically in the system, all you really need to do is to setup a static ip on it (the one that goes to the clients)
[02:05] <yotux> ok this is what I am doing,  I just wanted to check to see if the install missed something
[02:05] <Burgundavia> do you see both cards?
[02:06] <Burgundavia> if there is nothing plugged into the card, it may be brought up
[02:06] <Burgundavia> may not be, rather
[02:06] <yotux> yes  eth0 has no ip eth1 has a dhcp
[02:07] <yotux> do I need to set broadcast, and network for the static
[02:10] <Burgundavia> you need an ip, network and default gateway at a minimum
[02:14] <yotux> I am getting the dhcp but I am not getting the tftp being passed
[02:14] <yotux> Think that I will try the reboot and see if this fixes things.  be back in 5
[02:23] <yotux> my PXE boot is not giving any files to the dhcp client
[02:36] <yotux> is there a TFTP bug for guyst?
[02:37] <kgoetz> yotux: so the client gets a dhcp address?
[02:37] <yotux> yes
[02:37] <yotux> get error PXE-T01 - file not found
[02:37] <kgoetz> and tftpd is running?
[02:37] <kgoetz> ok
[02:37] <yotux> sorry to ask how can I check this
[02:39] <kgoetz> just a tic
[02:40] <kgoetz> yotux: check if you have '/etc/default/tftpd-hpa'
[02:40] <kgoetz> if you do, check its OPTIONS= line
[02:41] <yotux> I have it
[02:41] <kgoetz> what does it have?
[02:41] <yotux> run deamon * no
[02:42] <yotux> RUN_DAEMON="no"
[02:42] <yotux> OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
[02:42] <kgoetz> cool.
[02:42] <yotux> look normal?
[02:42] <kgoetz> so now run `ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/`
[02:42] <kgoetz> yes
[02:42] <kgoetz> do you have an 'ltsp' directory?
[02:42] <yotux> yes
[02:43] <kgoetz> so now run `ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/`
[02:43] <yotux> ok
[02:43] <kgoetz> sorry,  `ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/`
[02:44] <yotux> as sudo correct
[02:44] <kgoetz> do you have a 'default' file in there?
[02:44] <kgoetz> no, you dont need sudo
[02:44] <yotux> last on no such file
[02:44] <yotux> ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/
[02:45] <yotux> the line above doesn't exist
[02:45] <kgoetz> odd/problematic
[02:46] <yotux> how can I get this file
[02:46] <yotux> its a fresh install from cd 20071016
[02:46] <kgoetz> yotux: do you have a 'pxelinux.0' in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ?
[02:47] <kgoetz> if you run 'dpkg -l |grep syslinux' do you get a hit
[02:47] <yotux> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 is there
[02:48] <kgoetz> um. i havent got an architecture on mine :|
[02:48] <yotux> dkpg command gets nothing
[02:48] <kgoetz> i have ia32 clients, and they just use 'ltsp' as their root
[02:48] <yotux> I am running the 64bit version
[02:49]  * kgoetz wonders if this is somethin new from his dapper system
[02:49] <yotux> so should I down grade to the 32bit edition
[02:49] <kgoetz> not necesarily
[02:49] <kgoetz> just i'm only goign to be of limited help
[02:49] <yotux> should  make a bug report?
[02:50] <kgoetz> hang around here, with luck someone familar with teh newer version will be able to help
[02:50] <yotux> ok
[08:50] <RichEd> hi ogra ... all looking good for go ?
[08:50] <ogra> i didnt hear differently :)
[08:50] <ogra> happy release day everybody :)
[08:51] <kgoetz> congrats :)
[08:51] <ogra> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/build/Edubuntu thats the best testing status we ever had :)
[08:51]  * RichEd leads a long round of applause to ogra & his meny helpers
[08:52] <RichEd> *many even :)
[08:52] <ogra> all tests done (aprt from the one with amd64 thin clients :P )
[08:54] <stgraber> indeed, I don't have 64bit server here :)
[08:54] <ogra> well, who has 64bit clients is the question :)
[08:55] <ogra> (amd64 only builds an amd64 client chroot ....)
[08:57] <Burgundavia> rocking
[09:03] <RichEd> hi corey
[09:11] <RichEd> ogra ... do we want to list the feature highlights in the announcement email ?
[09:11] <RichEd> it does make it a bit long
[09:11] <RichEd> the alternative is to put them on the web news page, and refer to that in the mail ?
[09:11] <ogra> should suffice to have it on the -710 page
[09:12] <RichEd> okay ... will put them in the news page and the release notes page ... easier to read in a "pretty" web format than a text mail
[09:12] <ogra> yeah
[09:23] <ogra> RichEd, "the latest LTSP server modules " sounds a bit strange
[09:23] <ogra> (modules specifically)
[09:24] <RichEd> make a suggestion for text then ?
[09:24] <ogra> "http://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseNotes" ??
[09:24] <ogra>  Edubuntu release notes: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseNotes
[09:24] <ogra> thats wrong
[09:26] <ogra> (a) its the ubuntu release notes, b) it will get wiped as soon as it moved to www.ubuntu.com)
[09:26] <ogra> that should point to our page on www.edubuntu.org
[09:28] <RichEd> ogra: we spoke about our own release notes page for the few bug issues ?
[09:28] <RichEd> we did this for 6.10
[09:28] <RichEd> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseNotes
[09:28] <ogra> which doesnt work :)
[09:28] <ogra> that name is taken by ubuntu already
[09:29] <RichEd> ahhhh ... so lets go with: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseNotes/Edubuntu ?
[09:29] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseNotes/Edubuntu might work
[09:29] <RichEd> snap
[09:29] <ogra> :)
[09:29]  * RichEd updates the task list page and announcement mail
[09:40] <RichEd> ogra: "the latest LTSP server modules" <- whaddya want this to say ?
[09:40] <ogra> s/modules/implementation/  ?
[09:41] <ogra> not sure that cuts it though
[09:41] <ogra> how about "the latest in LTSP thin client technology"
[09:42] <RichEd> luvverly
[09:42] <ogra> ok :)
[09:48] <pips1> hi folks
[09:48] <pips1> happy release day :-)
[09:48] <ogra> happy release day pips1
[09:49] <stormzoeker> same to you pips1
[09:49] <pips1> RichEd: I read the release announcement, looks fine, nothing to add from my side, except what you have already discussed with ogra
[09:49] <RichEd> thanks ... slight mods being done but the body remains as is
[09:50] <RichEd> note also for the release news on the web site, I am preparing the content now
[09:50] <ogra> RichEd, btw, you did forget to list ubuntu-announce
[09:50] <RichEd> i'd just like you to format it as per: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.04-release
[09:50] <RichEd> ogra: do Ubuntu and Edubuntu and Kubuntu all send their own mail ?
[09:51]  * RichEd remembers last time waiting for someone to release it for me ... so I think we did
[09:51] <ogra> i think for the mail announcement thats true, yes
[09:52]  * pips1 is busy accessing all the URL mentioned in the announcement...
[09:54] <pips1> question: do you want the edubuntu release notes on a wiki page, or on the e.org site?
[09:54] <ogra> hmm, good question
[09:55] <ogra> ubuntu has it on the website
[09:55] <pips1> yes
[09:55] <pips1> if it is a wiki page, we should perhaps lock that page dow
[09:55] <pips1> down
[09:55] <pips1> ?
[09:56] <pips1> so perhaps the website is more appropriate?
[09:56] <ogra> yeah
[09:56] <ogra> RichEd, ?
[09:56]  * pips1 wonders how it was done last release
[09:56]  * RichEd checks how the last one was done
[09:56] <ogra> wiki
[09:57] <ogra> or even merged with ubuntu
[09:57] <RichEd> pips1: this was 6.04
[09:57] <RichEd> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdgyReleaseNotes
[09:57] <ogra> 6.10 :)
[09:57] <RichEd> i mean 6.10
[09:57] <RichEd> 7.04 we just referred to ubuntu's
[09:58] <pips1> correct
[09:58] <LaserJock> I ripped off the Handbook Addon CD page for http://www.edubuntu.org/node/41
[09:58] <LaserJock> I'm gonna flesh it out here in a sec
[09:58] <RichEd> we could use the web site, but then it means that edits would need to go via you pips1
[09:58] <RichEd> if we use the wiki page, it means ogra and others who are involved can edit/update
[09:59] <RichEd> those are comments, not a decision ... i'll go with a consensus ?
[09:59] <RichEd> ogra, pips1, LaserJock ?
[09:59] <ogra> i think it looks better to have it on the webpage
[09:59] <LaserJock> surely the release notes shouldn't change much, if at all
[09:59] <pips1> same here
[09:59] <pips1> so let's go for web page
[10:00] <LaserJock> I'm very much of the opinion that it's good to use edubuntu.org for "official" and/or static material
[10:04] <RichEd> okay ...
[10:04]  * RichEd goes to change the links and task page
[10:06] <pips1> LaserJock: can you please quickly read the text of the current /Download page and tell me if you have any change suggestions? If not, I will only replace 7.04 with 7.10....
[10:06] <pips1> ^^^ ogra RichEd please do the same, if you have the time
[10:07] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseNotes/Edubuntu <- this now is quite a redundant web URL
[10:07] <pips1> it's the most important page...
[10:07] <RichEd> going with: http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10 <- okay pips1 ogra
[10:08] <ogra> yep
[10:09] <pips1> yes
[10:09] <LaserJock> pips1: yes, I do have a change
[10:09] <pips1> LaserJock: shoot
[10:09] <LaserJock> "If you install Edubuntu using the Desktop CD you will find the educational software by using the Classroom Server Add-on CD below."
[10:09] <pips1> where shall i add that?
[10:10] <LaserJock> that's what is now in the Desktop CD section
[10:10] <pips1> oh
[10:10] <pips1> so what is your suggested text?
[10:10] <LaserJock> but since we fixed the bug where the edu package weren't being installed
[10:10] <LaserJock> it should be like "... you will find additionall educationa software on the Classroom Server Add-on CD below."
[10:11] <LaserJock> but spelled correctly ;-)
[10:12] <pips1> so the difference is the word "additional"
[10:12] <ogra> RichEd, here is the buglist for the page ... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes/Edubuntu
[10:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: drop the additional entirely ... that sound supplemental ... when as per our chat last night the Add-on has the bulk of the edu apps
[10:12]  * RichEd thinks of a better adjective
[10:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: but that's not the case for the Desktop CD
[10:13] <RichEd> okay
[10:13] <LaserJock> Classroom Server has no edu apps
[10:13] <ogra> (feel free to move whereve you want it ;) )
[10:13] <LaserJock> Dekstop CD has some, but not all
[10:13]  * pips1 waits for decision and carries on with other stuff in the mean time
[10:19] <pips1> ogra: our current text says "Edubuntu 6.06.1 [...] is supported for 3 years". The ubuntu announcement uses a year to indicate the "cut-off" date for security support. Should I change "supported for 3 years" to "supported until 2009" ? which is perhaps more clear?
[10:19] <pips1> RichEd: ^^^ what do you think?
[10:19] <ogra> sounds reasonable
[10:20] <RichEd> pips1: there was a comment on LTS in the ubuntu release ... let me check
[10:20] <RichEd> pips1: this is the wording in the ubuntu release
[10:20] <pips1> what is the "cut-off" date for edubuntu 7.10 support?
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[10:20] <RichEd> Ubuntu 7.10 will be supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers.
[10:20] <RichEd> Users requiring a longer support lifetime on servers may choose to continue
[10:20] <RichEd> using Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, with security support until 2011, rather than upgrade
[10:20] <RichEd> to or install 7.10.
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[10:21] <pips1> yes
[10:21] <RichEd> so I suggest:
[10:21] <RichEd> "Edubuntu 6.06.1 [...] is supported until 2009 on the desktop and security support until 2011
[10:21] <RichEd> ??
[10:21] <ogra> 2011 doesnt apply to edubuntu-server
[10:22] <pips1> RichEd: nope
[10:22] <pips1> edubuntu-server 6.06.1 is only supported until 2009.
[10:22] <RichEd> pips1: okay ... the suggestion is from me, make it a date, and make it the right one :)
[10:22] <ogra> right
[10:23] <pips1> so now we are in a special situation, that edubuntu-server 7.10 is actually also supported until 2009. so the edubuntu LTS isn't supported longer than the latest edubuntu release...
[10:23] <ogra> therre are some server bits we 'll go on to support past 2009 ... but the general edubuntu-server  falls under "desktop support" due to its need for desktop apps installed
[10:23] <ogra> so 2009 is right
[10:24] <pips1> but since "edubuntu-server" doesn't have the "full" long-term support... in our case, both LTS and latest now are supported until 2009!
[10:25] <pips1> so I need to find a good way of describing just that...
[10:25] <pips1> any suggestions?  :-)
[10:26] <LaserJock> "Hardy will last forever!"
[10:26] <pips1> should we drop "Dapper" from the download page entirely?!
[10:26] <ogra> no
[10:26]  * pips1 ducks
[10:26] <pips1> :-)
[10:26] <ogra> :)
[10:27] <ogra> 7me goies for some coffee
[10:27] <LaserJock> could we put it under some sort of "Previous releases" or something
[10:27] <LaserJock> it seems slightly confusing to me as is
[10:27] <pips1> but since they are both supported until 2009 only, why should we advocate the "LTS" of Dapper?
[10:27] <LaserJock> pips1: supposedly it should be more stable
[10:28] <pips1> yes, I read the mails on the mailing list claiming that...
[10:28] <pips1> I wouldn't have any own experience as to be able to verify those claims..
[10:28] <LaserJock> pips1: how do you make section headings in drupal?
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[10:29] <LaserJock> k
[10:29] <LaserJock> my HTML is from the 90s
[10:29] <pips1> hehe
[10:29] <LaserJock> I thought maybe they'd done away with the <h*>s
[10:29] <pips1> don't forget to close tags.
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[10:29] <RichEd> LaserJock: just please none of that 90's <BLINK>
[10:30] <LaserJock> this newfangled CSS junk gets me confused ;-)
[10:30] <pips1> we are using *X*HTML now, so closing tags isn't optional anymore!
[10:30] <pips1> ;-)
[10:31] <RichEd> pips1: are you working on the release page (your queries above) or is that for the download page ?
[10:31] <pips1> I can tell you haven't been doing much website design.... XHTML and CSS is wonderful compared to the mess that HTML4 was
[10:32] <pips1> RichEd: I'm working on the download page
[10:32] <LaserJock> yes, well
[10:32] <RichEd> thanks  ... I'm on the release page text ... will send to you soon
[10:32] <LaserJock> I had a website design business when I was a teenager
[10:32] <LaserJock> when HTML 3.2 was king
[10:32] <pips1> :-)
[10:32] <pips1> haha
[10:33] <LaserJock> then moved on to Chemisty before HTML4 caught on
[10:33] <pips1> erm, I kind of would like to know what we should do about the "Dapper LTS vs. Gutsy" text on the download page...
[10:35] <pips1> The paragraph "Choose this to benefit from the long support life-cycle of the 6.06 LTS release. This version is supported until 2009. Users requiring a longer support lifetime may choose to continue using that version rather than upgrade to or install 7.10." doesn't make sense any longer in our case...
[10:35] <pips1> since 7.10 is also supported until 2009.
[10:36] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:37] <LaserJock> I think there's a page on ubuntu.com that defines what an LTS is
[10:37] <LaserJock> I wonder if you could just drop most of that text and say we have 6.06 LTS and Gutsy
[10:39] <pips1> it would make the page easier I think. There is so many decisions you need to take before downloading...
[10:40] <pips1> LaserJock: I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[10:40] <LaserJock> yes
[10:40] <LaserJock> perhaps we could distill it down
[10:40] <LaserJock> into like a checklist or decision tree
[10:41] <pips1> but that LTS wiki page doesn't include any info about the "special case" edubuntu
[10:42]  * pips1 is starting to get nervous because release is near and he still needs to update various bits of content on the site...
[10:42] <pips1> nah. nervous is silly
[10:42] <LaserJock> pips1: well, honestly I don't think we have to worry a ton regarding timing
[10:42] <ogra> pips1, "With the Long Term Support (LTS) version you get three years support on the desktop"
[10:42] <ogra> thats enough
[10:43] <LaserJock> if people can download gutsy they'll mostly be happy
[10:43] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:43] <pips1> I guess so... we aren't going to be bombared like ubuntu.com... where they can do any page edits, because the server is under such load...
[10:43] <pips1> where they *can't* do any page edits
[10:43] <pips1> !
[10:44] <pips1> RichEd: we need to decide now about what to write regarding Edubuntu LTS
[10:44] <pips1> because it means we need to decide on the text for both the /Download page and the release announcement text
[10:45] <pips1> Should we simply mention Dapper as a "previous release" and drop all that text about "longer support"?
[10:45] <RichEd> pips1: if they are both going to be supported effectively until the same date, then we need a technical opinion from ogra
[10:45] <RichEd> ogra: is gutsy as stable as LTS ?
[10:46] <RichEd> why would someone *want* to stay on LTS
[10:46] <pips1> difficult question
[10:46] <RichEd> is there is no good reason, drop the LTS confuzion entirely
[10:46] <ogra> as i said there are pieces from the server side we support for 5 years ... but the edubuntu-server distro as a whole ends support in 2009 for dapper
[10:46] <pips1> gutsy surely hasn't been tested as much as dapper...
[10:46] <RichEd> pips1: that's a point
[10:46] <ogra> i would disagree here :)
[10:46] <LaserJock> dapper should be more stable in theory
[10:47] <LaserJock> but I'd wager that LTSP is much better in Gutsy
[10:47] <ogra> i think no edubuntu release had that much testing yet
[10:47] <LaserJock> but the Ubuntu bits have
[10:47] <ogra> gutsy is suely way better tested on the edubuntu isde than dapper was
[10:47] <RichEd> perhaps say that they are both supported until 2009 ... but comment that LTS has been live in the field longer
[10:48] <pips1> ogra: ok, but dapper has been out there much longer, so longer time to find bugs? on the downside, Dapper was less feature-rich, so less people might be using/testing it.. Ach, impossible to tell.
[10:48] <RichEd> ogra: than dapper *was* as in before release
[10:48] <ogra> just drop the date completely
[10:48] <ogra> i'D say
[10:49] <RichEd> ogra: are we bundling LTSP 5 ?
[10:49] <pips1> ogra: I can drop the date, but what about the sentence saying that people might want to choose LTS over Gutsy, for "longer support"...?
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd, we *are* ltsp5 :P
[10:49]  * RichEd polishes the noddy badge ... just checking for accuracy 
[10:50] <ogra> pips1, leave that in ...
[10:50] <ogra> it actually doesnt matter ... at least from an upgrade/support POV
[10:50] <pips1> ok, your mr. edubuntu :-)
[10:50] <pips1> *you are
[10:50] <ogra> both will be able to be upgraded to hardy :)
[10:51] <ogra> so no matter what you choose now, next release youre in the LTS cycle automaically :)
[10:51] <pips1> ok
[10:52] <pips1> I just wanted to make the download page simpler, with less confusing options to puzzle the mind :-)
[10:52] <pips1> In fact, why not just write what you just said?
[10:53] <pips1> "no matter what you choose now, you will be able to upgrade to the next release Hardy 8.04, which is a long support life-cycle." ?
[10:54] <pips1> Hary what?
[10:54] <pips1> hehe
[10:54] <pips1> Hardy what?
[10:54] <pips1> Hardy Heron or smth?
[10:54] <LaserJock> yes
[10:54] <ogra> yup
[10:55] <pips1> oh, it's a bird
[10:55] <pips1> "wading bird"
[10:55] <pips1> nice looking!
[10:55] <pips1> anyway
[10:56] <pips1> So what do you say? I leave the whole LTS text as is (Dapper "supported for 3 years") and add that sentence I just wrote?
[10:56] <ogra> sounds ok
[10:56] <pips1> RichEd: ok with this?
[10:57] <RichEd> pips1: jono is the bird fetish man ... you have competition ;)
[10:58] <RichEd> ogra / pips1 : why mention dapper
[10:58] <RichEd> i still do not understand a reason if they are supported for the same duration
[10:58] <pips1> RichEd: ogra wants it mentioned for some reason. I'm just going with his wish. :-)
[10:59] <ogra> huh ?
[10:59] <ogra> *you* wanted to have a date there
[10:59] <pips1> LOL
[10:59] <pips1> no
 ogra: our current text says "Edubuntu 6.06.1 [...] is supported for 3 years". The ubuntu announcement uses a year to indicate the "cut-off" date for security support. Should I change "supported for 3 years" to "supported until 2009" ? which is perhaps more clear?
[10:59] <pips1> I would prefer a simple text, without mentioning Dapper
[11:00] <pips1> the date question just kicked us into a discussion about the support "cut-off date" and whether we need to mention dapper
[11:03] <pips1> so...?
[11:06]  * pips1 imagines a big pillow fight going on in some back channel
[11:06] <LaserJock> ok, well, it's 3am here
[11:06] <LaserJock> and I have to finish up a dissertation chapter tomorrow/today
[11:06] <LaserJock> pips1: I think I'm finished with http://www.edubuntu.org/node/41
[11:06] <LaserJock> I'm not sure where it would fit in best
[11:07] <LaserJock> but it might be nice to link to it from somewhere
[11:07] <RichEd> yay ... me notes NTFS writing is available ! I now have 15 more GB available in my notebook
[11:07] <RichEd> \o/ my windows partition now has some use !
[11:08] <ogra> you could just have wiped it and reformatted it for ubuntu :P
[11:08] <ogra> who needs windows installed ...
[11:08] <juliux> good morning
[11:08] <stormzoeker> I need windows sometimes :S
[11:09]  * pips1 reads LaserJock's page
[11:11] <pips1> LaserJock: nice page
[11:11] <pips1> LaserJock: small suggestion: replace "check off" with "select" ? I think non English-natives might not understand "check off"? not sure
[11:12] <LaserJock> pips1: ah right, I think that was maybe a sbalneavism
[11:13] <pips1> hehe
[11:13] <RichEd> sometimes you need to drink water to realise how good beer tastes ;)
[11:13] <RichEd> ogra ^ re windows
[11:13] <LaserJock> ok, I'm done
[11:13] <ogra> heh
[11:14] <pips1> LaserJock: I'll add it to the nav menu
[11:14] <LaserJock> happy release day everybody
[11:14] <pips1> and create a path alias
[11:14] <LaserJock> and good work
[11:14] <RichEd> LaserJock: tanks
[11:15] <pips1> LaserJock:  path alias "AddOnCd" ?
[11:16]  * pips1 goes ahead and creates the alias
[11:17] <pips1> http://edubuntu.org/AddOnCd
[11:17] <pips1> or UsingAddOnCd?
[11:18] <RichEd> pips1: where can I find your final text choice for the dapper LTS bit ?
[11:18] <pips1> there already is UsingEdubuntu
[11:18] <pips1> so UsingAddOnCD will work nicely
[11:18]  * pips1 does the cange
[11:18] <pips1> chage
[11:18] <pips1> change
[11:19] <pips1> http://edubuntu.org/UsingAddOnCd
[11:19] <pips1> RichEd: we haven't made a decision re LTS bit... so no change
[11:20] <RichEd> okay .... let me know when we do
[11:20] <pips1> well, I guess it is up to you and ogra to decide what to do re LTS text
[11:21] <ogra> drop it :)
[11:21] <pips1> :-)
[11:21] <pips1> fine with me
[11:21] <pips1> RichEd: ?
[11:21]  * RichEd does the snoop doggy dog ... "drop it while it's hot ..."
[11:21] <pips1> hehe
[11:21]  * RichEd looks around for his black beautch chorus girls
[11:22] <pips1> LOL
[11:22] <pips1> RichEd: hey, you got work to do! ;-)
[11:22] <pips1> i.e. drop LTS from the announcement
[11:22] <RichEd> pips1: for back up singing ... not fo ho duty
[11:23] <RichEd> yes ... drop it
[11:24] <pips1> RichEd: I just noticed that you don't have an account on edubuntu.org.
[11:24] <RichEd> pips1: could be ... bit busy now to need it at the moment
[11:24] <pips1> ok
[11:27] <RichEd> ogra / pips .... please check the web announcement email ...
[11:30] <ogra> "The Edubuntu classroom server install builds on the functionality from the previous release..." sounds a bit like you need feisty first
[11:31] <ogra> RichEd, for features you can add as well: "* New and faster detection of the graphics hardware"
[11:31] <RichEd> under ubuntu I presume ?
[11:32] <ogra> as replacement for: "OLIVER ANY MORE ?"
[11:32] <RichEd> ltsp features look a bit lite compared to the rave reports people have been giving ... anything to add
[11:32] <ogra> and we shouldnt list all the ubuntu features
[11:32] <RichEd> yes ... that was not a reference to Oliver Twist "please sir I want some more"
[11:32] <ogra> link the ubuntu feature list rather
[11:33] <RichEd> to where ? i got it from c@ninical wiki
[11:34] <ogra> there shoudl be a tour page or so
[11:35] <RichEd> okay ... will add that in
[11:35] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta
[11:35] <ogra> that will change though
[11:36] <RichEd> pips1: when could the release boys take a look at the announcement page ?
[11:36] <RichEd> just to check if it loads ...
[11:36] <RichEd> it would be : http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release
[11:37] <RichEd> even if you pop up a shell ?
[11:37] <RichEd> can edit later ?
[11:37] <pips1> ok, I'll create an empty page at that url, hold on
[11:37] <ogra> no need for that
[11:38] <ogra> just put in place what you have now :)
[11:38] <RichEd> ogra: ??
[11:38] <ogra> no need for an extra placeholder
[11:38] <RichEd> not extra ... at the moment http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release is not found
[11:39] <ogra> i know
[11:39] <RichEd> pips1 ... or else drop in the text doc i sent ...
[11:39] <RichEd> and pretty it up later ... let the release guys see that the page exists
[11:40] <RichEd> ogra: where does this go: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release
[11:40] <RichEd> ignore ... try again
[11:40] <RichEd> ogra: where does this go: "* New and faster detection of the graphics hardware"
[11:41] <ogra> as a replacement for "OLIVER ANY MORE ?" as i said
[11:41] <RichEd> ahh :)
[11:41] <pips1> RichEd: what text should I use for the release announcement just now? the one you sent by email earlier?
[11:41] <RichEd> pips1: drop that in now yes ...
[11:41] <pips1> or do you have something more finalised?
[11:41] <RichEd> I will send a slight change in 5 mins
[11:41] <pips1> ah, ok, will do
[11:41] <RichEd> minor edits
[11:41] <RichEd> ogra: I will leave the ubuntu features in that impress me as a user ... the non-tech stuff ... and send them on the tour for the rest
[11:42] <ogra> mdz wont be happy with that, but your call
[11:42]  * ogra had that discuassion about duplicated features in the announcement to often already with him ...
[11:44] <pips1> RichEd: dummy page exists
[11:44] <RichEd> ta ... 1 min to final
[11:48] <RichEd> pips1: final sent
[11:49] <RichEd> ogra: for a teacher to upgrade, they need a pull ... some of those features are a mighty big user level pull
[11:49] <RichEd> NTFS write ... very significant for schools .... many with dual boot w/s or NTFS file storage
[11:50] <ogra> RichEd, i dont mind or care i just dont want to paticipate in that discussion wit mdz later :)
[11:50] <RichEd> tell him to take it up with me ... i'm bigger'n'heavier than him
[11:50] <ogra> he might be faster :)
[11:50] <RichEd> besides ... it's going on *our* web page ... not blatted out via email to the world
[11:50] <ogra> (he's slimmer, even thats hard to achieve :) )
[11:51] <RichEd> and in effect we are saying: "ubuntu, respek"
[11:51] <ogra> you dont want to send it to -devel and -users ?
[11:51] <RichEd> can he dig it ?
[11:51] <RichEd> the mail shot was the first doc you read this morning
[11:51] <ogra> not sure he finds the time to look at it :)
[11:51] <RichEd> which refers to the second doc as a web page on our site
[11:51] <ogra> ah, k
[11:52] <RichEd> as agreed, feature list makes the mail tooooooo long
[11:52] <RichEd> web forwatting allows features to be scannable with the naked eye ...
[11:52] <RichEd> *formatting
[11:54]  * ogra sees 722 ppl in #ubuntu-release-party ... i wonder if we hit 800 before release
[11:56] <pips1> ogra: RichEd LaserJock please proof read http://edubuntu.org/node/43 if you have the time...
[11:56] <ogra> access denied
[11:56] <pips1> ah.
[11:57] <pips1> try again
[11:57] <pips1> the download links are still old, of course.
[11:57] <pips1> but I removed the LTS stuff
[11:58] <ogra> looks good
[11:58] <ogra> go with it i'd say
[12:00] <RichEd> pips1: checking now
[12:01] <pips1> Matt Nuzum is working on updating the dynamic mirror links ....
[12:01] <RichEd> highvoltage / LaserJock either of you around and able to move a page from the wiki to the web ?
[12:05] <pips1> ogra: did you hear from LaserJock or sbalneav re online Handbook ? has it doc.u.c been updated to the latest version?
[12:05] <pips1> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[12:05] <pips1> ^^^ is that current now?
[12:05] <ogra> no idea, LJ did something
[12:05] <pips1> hmm
[12:05] <ogra> credits are still the old version
[12:06] <pips1> I will refer to that page from the deprecated /ThinClientConfig page, ok?
[12:06] <ogra> yep
[12:07] <pips1> ok
[12:07] <ogra> fine for now, doesnt need to be the latest by release (should change the next days though)
[12:07] <ogra> as long as we dont have to change the link everywhere all is fine :)
[12:10] <pips1> done
[12:10] <pips1> http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig
[12:11] <ogra> perfect :)
[12:11] <RichEd> ogra: can you edit on www.edubuntu.org
[12:11] <ogra> no
[12:11] <RichEd> pips1: who else has edit rights ...
[12:12] <ogra> at least i dont have any account data anymore if i ever could
[12:12] <ogra> RichEd: highvoltage, jsgotangco, LaserJock and pips1 i think
[12:13] <pips1> Jordan, Matt Nuzum, Jonathan, cbx33, CoreyBurger...
[12:13] <pips1> why?
[12:13] <pips1> do you need something updated? I can do it?
[12:13] <RichEd> olivers release notes / bug list is on the wiki
[12:13] <RichEd> needs to move onto the web
[12:13] <pips1> I can do it
[12:13] <pips1> what is the wiki URL?
[12:14] <stormzoeker> ltsp.conf is not longer in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory .... handbook is wrong in that point :O
[12:14] <ogra> stormzoeker, thats an old version, the installed one should have the right path
[12:14] <ogra> we didnt have an export of the latest text to the web yet
[12:14] <stormzoeker> kjee, it took me some time to figure that one out :D
[12:15] <stormzoeker> I'll wait for the new version of the handbook ;)
[12:15] <RichEd> pips1: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes/Edubuntu
[12:15] <RichEd> goes to: http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.
[12:17] <ogra> stormzoeker, well, you should have it installed if you use gutsy ... its in the edubuntu-docs package (which is there by default)
[12:19] <highvoltage> hi, I got a highlight, but was flying home. ping me if I can do anything (I forgot to set /away)
[12:19] <stormzoeker> thnx ogra :D lol, I always look on the website :$
[12:20] <stormzoeker> and yes, I have gutsy :D it works great, now waiting for the final :D
[12:20] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10 <- pips
[12:20] <RichEd> correction
[12:20] <RichEd> pips1: you carry on with the release page
[12:20] <RichEd> highvoltage: yep ... please favour !
[12:21] <RichEd> highvoltage: move https://wiki.edubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes/Edubuntu
[12:21] <RichEd> to: http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10
[12:21] <RichEd> can you do that ?
[12:22] <highvoltage> yes
[12:24] <pips1> RichEd: http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10
[12:25] <pips1> it is already done
[12:25] <highvoltage> pips1: cool
[12:25] <highvoltage> pips1: strange, I could swear it wasn't there a minuteago :)
[12:26] <pips1> hehe
[12:28] <pips1> RichEd: got your web announcement, working on it now
[12:31] <ogra> wohooo
[12:33] <RichEd> highvoltage: can you do some tweaking ?
[12:33] <highvoltage> RichEd: fire away
[12:34] <RichEd> on download page [http://edubuntu.org/node/43]
[12:34] <RichEd> add this link [http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10]
[12:34] <highvoltage> ok
[12:34] <RichEd> and this: [http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710]
[12:35] <RichEd> pips1: let me know when the release format looks okay and I can whack out the mail to our lists
[12:37] <pips1> ok, busy
[12:41] <pips1> RichEd: before you wack out the announcement we need to make sure that the download mirror links are up to date
[12:41] <pips1> I just asked newz2000 abou it
[12:42] <RichEd> k
[12:43] <RichEd> highvoltage: and to this page ... http://www.edubuntu.org/ReleaseNotes/7.10 ... please add a link to the ubunu release notes
[12:43] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710
[12:44] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok
[12:44] <RichEd> ta
[12:45] <pips1> blimey that is a looong annoucement to format ... 8-O
[12:46] <highvoltage> RichEd: added to the bottom
[12:46] <RichEd> highvoltage: thanks ... spellink errir on that page: workinbg
[12:47] <highvoltage> RichEd: corrected
[12:47] <RichEd> ta
[12:48]  * highvoltage brb
[13:03] <RichEd> ogra ... sending out the mail announcement now
[13:03] <ogra> yay
[13:04] <RichEd> highvoltage: you there ?
[13:04] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/Download -> is still old ... needs to point to http://edubuntu.org/node/43
[13:05] <RichEd> that's a link in the mail :(
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[13:06] <highvoltage> RichEd: back now (slightly eating)
[13:06]  * RichEd steps back from the crumbs
[13:06] <RichEd> hi bimberi ... just in time ... about to announce :)
[13:07] <bimberi> RichEd: cool
[13:07] <bimberi> RichEd: and go the Southern Hemisphere on Sunday! :)
[13:08] <RichEd> indeed ... coloniast swine ... teach them right for stealing our ivory and gold and sending your ancestors to an island prison
[13:08] <RichEd> ;)
[13:08] <RichEd> download page is now right
[13:08] <bimberi> ha!
[13:09]  * bimberi wondered where that latent desire to rattle cups on iron bars came from :)
[13:09] <RichEd> well at least the "prison" has sunshine and animals larger than a ferret
[13:11] <bimberi> :)   too much sunshine though ... so dry :/
[13:12] <RichEd> must be from the overconsumption of "dry bread and water"
[13:13] <bimberi> :)
[13:15] <RichEd> ogra: release page formatted nicely ... bimberi give me an opinion on the feature list on: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/7.10-release
[13:15] <RichEd> the ones from ubuntu specifically .... do any of those excite you as someone involved in education enough to spur you into an upgrade
[13:16] <ogra> looks good
[13:16]  * bimberi looking
[13:19] <bimberi> I reckon "Improved Sesson Management Apps" will be received very well - so good that it's mentioned early
[13:20] <bimberi> s/improved/improves/  in  "Additionally the Edubuntu Addon CD installer improved usability"
[13:20] <ogra> well, hardy will likely move its focus to it (a lot more than gutsy did)
[13:21] <ogra> big theme for hardy is mass user/session management etc
[13:21] <RichEd> bimberi: point taken : pips1 ^
[13:21] <ogra> hardy: going for the superlative :)
[13:22] <highvoltage> how do I dist-upgrade to hardy?
[13:22] <highvoltage> :p
[13:22] <ogra> :P
[13:22] <RichEd> ogra: as opposed to vista the superlaxative
[13:22] <ogra> highvoltage, you start with bootstrapping gcc
[13:22] <RichEd> makes you sh*t yourself when you see the cost and h/w requirements
[13:23] <highvoltage> ogra: heh
[13:23] <ogra> heh, yes
[13:23] <pips1> RichEd: huh?
[13:23] <highvoltage> I have to admit, I haven't looked at the edubuntu gutsy release yet
[13:23]  * highvoltage hangs head in shame
[13:23] <highvoltage> but will download it over the weekend
[13:24] <ogra> "Edubuntu also bundles selected Education desktop applications, as well
[13:24] <ogra> as the latest the latest in LTSP thin client technology,"
[13:24] <ogra> hmm ...
[13:24] <ogra> doesnt get later than that i guess :)
[13:24] <RichEd> "Additionally the Edubuntu Addon CD installer improved usability" s/improves/improved/
[13:25] <RichEd> ogra: stressing a point :) sorry about that ...
[13:25] <ogra> happens :)
[13:28] <pips1> RichEd: ogra I just updated http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[13:28] <pips1> to include links to 7.10 instead of 7.04
[13:29] <pips1> it says at the top that this page is for Dapper, but I still wonder... in the Text further down, it suggests to download Dapper explicitely... Shouldn't we change that, now that Dapper isn't really promoted anymore?
[13:35] <RichEd> pips ... make two clear sections on the page ...
[13:36] <RichEd> pips1 rather ... make three clear sections on the page ...
[13:36] <RichEd> general section 1st ... welcome paragraph
[13:37] <RichEd> next section: edubuntu 7.10 the existing bit before welcome ... give it a grey heading
[13:38] <RichEd>  Getting Started with Edubuntu 7.10 : The lastest release
[13:38] <RichEd> next section: Getting Started with Edubuntu 6.06.1, Edubuntu with Long Term Support
[13:38] <RichEd> grey heading again
[13:39] <RichEd> then: These notes are for Edubuntu 6.06 LTS long term support release.
[13:39] <RichEd> then everything after : Downloading Edubuntu
[13:39] <RichEd> then everything including and after : Downloading Edubuntu
[13:40] <RichEd> and finally ... add a download link to the 7.10 notes ...
[13:40] <RichEd> so the theory is: if you want 7.10 is is easy enough to go without docs
[13:40] <RichEd> so the theory is: if you want 6.01 here is the guide
[13:40] <RichEd> pips ^ make sense ?
[13:48]  * RichEd collection -> 20mins
[13:53] <pips1> RichEd: ogra Who is in charge of the shipit page? It still mentions gutsy beta...
[13:53] <ogra> i'll forward it
[13:54] <ogra> pips1, thanks
[14:27] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[14:27] <sbalneav> Happy gutsy day!
[14:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> welcome in :)
[14:29] <ogra> happy release day sbalneav !
[14:30] <sbalneav> \o/ for us
[14:30] <ogra> yeah
[14:31] <sbalneav> How come you're @ogra? :)
[14:31] <ogra> i changed the topic :)
[14:31] <sbalneav> Ah, wait, maybe that's irssi's way of telling me your opped?
[14:31] <sbalneav> ah
[14:31] <sbalneav> durr
[14:31] <ogra> better :)
[14:32] <sbalneav> I'm easily confused by bright shiny objects :)
[14:32] <ogra> heh
[14:41] <pips1> sbalneav: hey, happy release day!
[14:41] <sbalneav> Hey pips1!  Happy day indeed!
[14:42] <RichEd> hi sbalneav
[14:42] <RichEd> thanks to pips1 for his help with the web release stuff
[14:42] <pips1> thanks
[14:43] <pips1> more thanks to sbalneav for putting in the *real* work
[14:44] <sbalneav> Phht
[14:45] <sbalneav> We each do what is within our ken.  It's all work that needs to get done, and none of it is more "real" than any other :)
[14:49] <pips1> sbalneav: ok ok, well said
[14:49] <pips1> :-)
[14:50] <sbalneav> I can't do any of the fancy web stuff.  I've got no head for graphical design.  My taste is all in my mouth :)
[14:51] <pips1> re taste in your mouth: hehe
[14:52]  * pips1 is busy updating bits on the wiki pages
[14:54]  * pips1 craves to taste something in his mouth too, since he hasn't had lunch yet
[14:54] <pips1> at 4 in the afternoon :-/
[14:55] <pips1> I better go and grab smth to eat
[14:55] <ogra> hmm, yeah, breakfast would be an idea :)
[14:56] <sbalneav> ogra: Little late for breakfast for you :)
[14:57] <ogra> only 4pm :)
[14:58] <sbalneav> Well, here in Winnipeg, we have Salisbury House, which is a restaurant famous for a number of things, one being it's all-day breakfasts.
[14:58] <ogra> nice
[14:58] <sbalneav> If you feel like hopping a fast plane, I'll buy you some! :)
[14:58] <cliebow_> sbalneav:we have the Riverside here in Ellsworth...
[14:59] <cliebow_> it used to be on the riverside..moved up the street recently
[14:59] <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_House_%28Canada%29
[14:59] <sbalneav> In case anyone's interested in a fine Winnipeg dining establishment :)
[15:01] <cliebow_> gutsy is out?
[15:02] <sbalneav> Yeppers!
[15:02] <sbalneav> Morning jsgotangco!
[15:03] <RichEd> ogra: all looking okay ?
[15:03] <ogra> indeed
[15:03] <jsgotangco> hello!
[15:04] <sbalneav> I'm scared to go into #ubuntu-release-party
[15:06] <RichEd> sbalneav: it's so crowded there may not be room ;)
[15:06] <RichEd> certainly not for you and jim at the same time
[15:06] <sbalneav> Oh, snap!
[15:07] <sbalneav> :)
[15:11]  * pips1 wonders how the xubuntu release guys are doing
[15:21]  * pips1 has added the release highlight box to edubuntu.org
[15:22] <pips1> ok, that's me for now
[15:22] <pips1> off to grab some food
[15:29]  * pips1 marvels at the wonderful world wide web ... while browsing through the referrers linking to edubuntu and notices http://www.wintricks.it/news1/article?ID=5821
[15:30] <pips1> the "wintricks" site sent us 23 site visitors
[15:33] <pips1> cu folks
[15:33] <juliux> ogra, could it be that the .template for the edubuntu-7.10-serveraddon-amd64 is broken? the size is 170m
[15:33] <juliux> b
[15:34] <ogra> let me ss if i get through to it first :P
[15:34] <ogra> reaching releases.ubuntu.com isnt easy atm
[15:35] <juliux> http://ubuntu.intergenia.de/releases/edubuntu/gutsy/
[15:36] <juliux> that one is the fasted i found;)
[15:36] <juliux> the .template for the serveraddon cds is aroun 170mb for the server only 5,5mb
[15:36] <ogra> looks ok ...
[15:36] <ogra> its the same on the fromer dailies
[15:36] <juliux> but why is it so big?
[15:36] <ogra> no idea, probably the amount of packages
[15:37] <juliux> hmm
[15:37] <ogra>  does it work ?
[15:37] <juliux> i don´t now i have to wait 11minutes from now;)
[15:38] <juliux> i am creating an local mirror atm for the ubucon
[15:38] <juliux> but i prefer to use jigdo;)
[16:38] <bddebian> Heya
[16:38] <sbalneav> Hey there bddebian
[16:39] <bddebian> Hi sbalneav
[16:50] <juliux> ogra, do you want some more powered by edubuntu stickers?
[16:50] <ogra> any i can get :)
[16:51] <juliux> ogra, good, your address please;)
[16:51] <ogra> Heinrich Zille sStr. 5, 34134 Kassel
[16:52] <ogra> *Str
[16:52] <juliux> ok
[16:52] <juliux> i will send you 50
[16:52] <ogra> thanks
[16:52] <juliux> you are welcome
[16:52] <ogra> i'll carry thm to UDS :)
[16:52] <juliux> cool
[16:55] <LaserJock> hmm, pips1 is gone
[16:55] <RichEd> juliux: me too me too ! (please)
[16:56] <ogra> RichEd, i'll bring them, dont worry :)
[16:56] <LaserJock> seems like the first item of "Highlights of this release include:" is edubuntu-desktop-kde
[16:56] <LaserJock> that's kinda odd when it's not shipped on a CD or anything
[16:56] <LaserJock> and we have no documentation for it
[16:56] <ogra> LaserJock, but its one of the new gutsy features
[16:56] <juliux> RichEd, take some from ogra
[16:56] <LaserJock> sure, it's one of the features
[16:56] <LaserJock> but usuallly you put the "big ones" first ;-)
[16:57] <juliux> RichEd, i have 175 left, will send 50 to ogra the rest goes to the german ubucon
[16:57] <juliux> RichEd, but i ordered more by jenda;)
[16:57] <lns> Congrats to GUTSY!!! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooot!!!
[16:58] <RichEd> LaserJock: I copied off the list on the canonical wiki ... KDE just made it higher in the list by default ... but would be good to move on the web page to a lower ranking
[16:58] <RichEd> LaserJock: that gives me a thought ... we should maybe send out a news-list poll to ask what new feature is the favourite of the users
[16:59] <RichEd> the dialogue will spur people into thinking about an upgrade if they have not considered or done it yet
[17:33] <Mad_bol> hi alll
[17:33] <Mad_bol> anyone hlp plz
[17:34] <sbalneav> Geez
[17:34] <sbalneav> doesn't hang around long
[17:54] <RichEd> cheers guys ... will pop back in later
[17:54] <ogra> ciao RichEd
[18:32] <sgonzalez> Yikes! Big issue (for me at least :)... please help!! With the help of a friend, I found out that I was running the generic kernel on edubuntu 7.04, thus only seeing 3GB of my 6GB of RAM. So we installed the server kernel, ran updates, etc. On a server that we really weren't crashing on at all, we started crashing like crazy (2-3 times/day). I put the generic kernel back in, and we're back to functioning fine. Any thoughts?! I could really use some
[18:32] <sgonzalez> he lp here! Thanks.
[18:34] <sbalneav> When you say "crashing", do you mean application crashing? Or the whole server goes down?
[18:34] <sgonzalez> Users are frozen, I can't log in, even at the server console (no one can log in)
[18:35] <sgonzalez> can't ssh either, so I end up hard rebooting
[18:37] <sbalneav> Well, I'd say it's a problem between your motherboard, and how it's handling the bank switching for the ram.
[18:37] <sbalneav> Something that the kernel doesn't like.
[18:38] <sgonzalez> Can I do something about this? This is a 2 year old server that's functioned fine. I did add 4GB of RAM to make it an LTSP server, so the RAM is  new. Is ther a test I can run for this?
[18:40] <sbalneav> memtest86 might reveal somthing.
[18:40] <sbalneav> Most of the ubuntu boot disks allow you to boot in a memtest86 model.
[18:40] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hi!
[18:40] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock! Happy gutsy day!
[18:41] <LaserJock> sbalneav: same to you. well done!
[18:42] <sgonzalez> I will try that after school ends. Happy Gutsy Day :) BTW, why is the generic kernel loaded for edubuntu server? I would think that since it's server version it would have the server kernel by default.
[18:43] <LaserJock> sgonzalez: I think there's probably some historical reasons
[18:43] <sbalneav> Because generic is the most guarenteed to work :)
[18:44] <LaserJock> and it might provide the most "generic" experience, so work for the most people out of the box
[18:45] <sgonzalez> Well, I guess that's true for me :) Is memtest 86 a pass/fail sort of thing?
[18:47] <ogra> it needs to u quite some time with that amount of ram
[18:47] <ogra> s/u/run/
[18:47] <ogra> like 24-48h or so
[18:48] <ogra> you find it in the bootmenu of your server
[18:48] <ogra> (hit esc during the grub message)
[18:49] <sgonzalez> Ogra: Thanks. I guess I'll wait for the weekend to run it.
[18:49] <sbalneav> ogra: So, I'm thinking we only need to have one or two LTSP specs.
[18:49] <ogra> i'd assume the ram you added isnt 100% compatible with the 2Gig you already head
[18:50] <ogra> sbalneav, we can have as many ltsp specs as we like (for ltsp-drivers ;) )
[18:50] <ogra> for edubuntu we'll need to see
[18:51] <ogra> which ones would you propose ?
[18:51] <sgonzalez> Ogra: I bought Edge RAM. Not sure what the 2GB in there is. Edge seems to be fairly compatible with most stuff. If it fails, I'll pull the 2GB originally in there and see if the 4 pass. If so, I guess I'll run with 4 or find $$ for more.
[18:52] <sgonzalez> Ogra: Separate problem: A while ago, you directed me to this site < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/105709> because I couldn't log out of my server (freezes.) I followed the directions, but still have the issue. Any other ideas?
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105709 in ltsp "sound config not reset after thin client usage" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[18:55] <sgonzalez> ogra: I'm actually frozen at the console now, and ssh'd in. If there's something I can look for, please tell me! I'm kind of a noob (1 year old linux server admin) so even the obvious is welcome.
[18:56] <sbalneav> ogra: Well, I'm thinking a "meta" one, where we discuss some technical stuff, i.e. c jetpipe, cdpinger, and localapps, and then one for "handoff"
[18:56] <ogra> handoff will happen during FOSSCamp ... we dont need a spec
[18:57] <ogra> i'm not really clear yet if and how much time i'm allowed to put in
[19:43] <RichEd> sbalneav see /msg
[21:46] <sbalneav> LaserJock: You around?
[21:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yep
[21:53] <LaserJock> kinda
[21:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what's up?
[21:56] <sbalneav> You did a nice job of handling that guy in -devel
[21:56] <sbalneav> congrats.
[21:56] <LaserJock> heh
[21:56] <sbalneav> He was basically there to stir up trouble, and you all kept your cool.  Well done.
[21:57] <LaserJock> I spent from ~midnight to 3am last night in #ubuntu-release-party running herd on the chaos
[21:57] <LaserJock> by this time I'm getting a bit used to it
[21:57] <LaserJock> unfortunately, I should have been writing on my dissertation
[21:57] <LaserJock> which I'm meeting my advisor about in 30 min
[21:57] <sbalneav> Argh.
[21:57] <LaserJock> so long day today
[21:58] <sbalneav> don't talk to me then, get busy
[21:58] <LaserJock> and my parents are here
[21:58] <LaserJock> and we're driving to Sacramento this evening
[21:58] <LaserJock> wahoo! ;-)
[22:00] <LaserJock> sbalneav: btw, last night I also managed to write http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingAddOnCd, what do you think?
[22:02] <RichEd> my parents are here ... LaserJock is pulling that "need my mummy" again ... and funny how he always says he *should* have been writing his dissertation
[22:02] <RichEd> ;)
[22:03] <LaserJock> heh
[22:03] <LaserJock> heah, so when are we gonna get a BOF/spec list?
[22:04]  * LaserJock likes to spout off ideas that nobody probably cares about
[22:05] <LaserJock> I really really hope the daily schedules work out well for Boston so I can listen in
[23:59] <jeffwheeler> Is it okay to simply install the edubuntu packages on a normal Ubuntu system?