[00:00] Davy_Jones you only have about 18 months left to say that, then it won't be supported anymore [00:00] i wonder how many seeds there are going to be for it [00:00] Dr_willis, maybe that pakage is missing on that server :/ [00:00] Arenlor: screw the support, 7.04 ftw [00:01] I just upgrade everything and kopete sigterms constantly [00:01] anyone else getting this? [00:01] Davy_Jones what do you have against Gutsy? [00:01] Dr_willis, Changed to "no" and its working flawlessly :P [00:01] Thank you Dr_willis [00:01] archive.ubuntu.com - is a 'random' server isent it? i forget how it works. [00:01] Arenlor: nothing, just the fear of every new release of something [00:02] Arenlor: like the new release of vista [00:02] Dr_willis, well.. I added "no" and it works.. so I don't think it is random.. [00:02] Everyone is waiting for the Service Pack 1 for Gutsy! :) then it will be Much better.... [00:02] Vista.... *cringes* [00:02] its too slow for me [00:02] Oh, I set up Jinzora, but it stupidly lacks a tree view. [00:02] Davy_Jones, that's like comparing the new China to the Old Russia, Communist countries (M$) just don't work [00:02] As slick as it is, gnump3d is better for that purpose. [00:02] is there anything prettier to use than xchat? [00:03] kolby, Don't mention m$ in here.. it gives me the chills [00:03] s/it/Jinzora/ [00:03] minus: lol... Monky boy run sit [00:03] Arenlor: probably, but we'll see when 7.10 is out [00:03] *runs it === mc44_ is now known as mc44 [00:03] xchat is fugly [00:03] ryans try pidgin, it's a bit of a pain to get working but I like it [00:03] ryans: what do you use? [00:04] i'm in xchat right now [00:04] Davy_Jones 7.10 is out, just in Beta [00:04] I often find myself going back to xchat 2.4 .... :) [00:04] back when it had features! [00:04] i'm in xchat 2.8.4 [00:04] Arenlor: i'm not gonna judge the beta of it [00:04] anyone run bitchx? [00:04] Dr_willis: what features is it lacking now? [00:04] I used vista 1 hour.. then I was almost dead.. I've been in the hospital for a couple of months recovering... [00:04] why isn't there something cool like colloquy? [00:05] Davy_Jones it's pretty much Final right now, we're just waiting for it to be named Final [00:05] minus: I tried the beta of Vista. I could turn it on, sit down and read a book, and in 30 minutes it would crash. [00:05] Which is preferred for Kubuntu, Beryl or Compiz? [00:05] kolby, ^^ [00:05] colloquy for ubuntu would be damn nice [00:05] riotkittie, go try the older.. and you notice that 1/2 the menu items/settings seem to have vanished. [00:05] Clinton__: Compiz Fusion [00:06] kolby: k [00:06] !compiz [00:06] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager [00:06] Clinton__: wtf? how can you compare Beryl and compiz to Kubuntu [00:06] Clinton__, Compiz.. Beryl is discontinuoued [00:06] right click on some one and use ignore.. dosent seem to have worked for me in.. ages.. :) [00:06] I got this laptop preinstalled with Vista, I loved how interactive it was, yes I want to open notepad, yes I want to open firefox, yes I want to shut it down, yes I want... [00:06] Oh wait- its not even there any more. :) [00:06] Davy_Jones: I'm not comparing, relax. [00:08] i'm having trouble with my upgraded tomcat5.5 -- i try localhost:8080 (which is what i had set the port to on my old install) and it returns: HTTP/1.x 400 No Host matches server name localhost === kolby is now known as alligator [00:09] So what's next for #ubuntu+1 after tomorrow? [00:09] Hardy Heron === alligator is now known as two [00:09] Comatosed Languster === two is now known as another_segfault [00:09] Arenlor: I'm assuming that's more than just a feature release this time? [00:09] anyone know how to get my start menu back when i switch from dual head to my LVDS screen? it gets moved over to the way left and can't see it. [00:09] minus: if Beryl is discontinued, why can I find compiz but not beryl with apt-cache search? [00:09] Iceshadow, it's the next LTS 8.04 [00:10] Clinton__ are you in Gutsy? [00:10] Arenlor: yes [00:10] Clinton__, cause they don't develop Beryl anymore.. Why have it in the aptget if it aint being developed? [00:10] Clinton__, apt-get install compiz [00:10] thats what you are supposed to do [00:12] anyone know how to get my start menu back when i switch from dual head to my LVDS screen? it gets moved over to the way left and can't see it :P [00:12] does anyone know how to work cron be able to tell me what to put in if every 5 minutes I want it to rm * /home/arenlor/.azureus/logs && rm -rf /home/arenlor/.azureus/logs/save [00:13] Arafangion, */5 * * * * * cmd [00:16] Why does my screen lock when I press the "quit" button!? [00:17] Everything works, XChat is scrolling when ppl talk, but I cant do anything.. CAnt type, cant move windows, cant do nothing except w8 till it goes away.. [00:17] alright, Compiz is installed, now what is the proper way to start it? [00:17] hey, when can i download it? [00:18] im assuming i have to wait until 5am (BST?) [00:18] Clinton__, "System" -> "Preferences" -> "Appearance" -> "Visual Effect" [00:18] BRB, log in to KDE [00:19] no idea, I don't normally watch live tv [00:19] minus: I'm running KDE, not Gnome [00:19] err, sorry [00:19] IrishDavid: it will be available sometime tomorrow. [00:19] Clinton__, sorry [00:19] I can check as soon as I've loged in to KDE [00:19] minus, OK, ty [00:19] /topic [00:20] :S i was hoping to be able to jump the download queue and get it quick off a server while speeds are high before it slows with loads of ppl [00:20] IrishDavid: so download the RC and upgrade :-) [00:21] (yes, there are updated packages from the RC.) [00:21] crimsun, i installed the RC and things just didnt go right compared to how fiesty had been working [00:22] IrishDavid: well depending on which bugs, the final release is unlikely to be too different [00:22] its 0919 AM, Thursday Oct 18th, in Australia. I want Gutsy! lol.. [00:22] Clinton__, Im gonna check now [00:22] IrishDavid most likely the current RC is going to be the Final, but what bugs did you have? [00:22] minus, alright [00:23] burn RC1 & upgrade is what I just did :) [00:23] mc44, it was mainly the lack of ability to apply a custom DSDT because i need one to make my sound work (although i did get a bios upgrade last night i just havent tried it in linux yet because i was waiting for the full release) [00:24] well i cud apply one in the same manner as in feisty but it didnt fix the problem [00:24] Clinton__, "compiz --replace" [00:24] minux, that's it? [00:24] IrishDavid: make sure you have linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic installed. [00:24] Clinton__, Yeah :) [00:25] ew, I have a gtk theme now [00:25] Clinton__, Atleast if you have the latest drivers for your graphics.. [00:25] thanks crimsun ill give that a shot if i still cant get it to work tomorrow :) (if i cant get the new release ill just install rc again) [00:25] minus: yea, my nvidia is set up fine [00:25] Clinton__, good :) [00:25] IrishDavid: l-b-m contains a newer ALSA (1.0.15rc3) [00:25] sounds good :) [00:26] minus: glxgears gives over 2000FPS [00:26] Clinton__, glxgears gives me around 18000 ;) [00:26] xD [00:26] But glxgears is not a benchmark... [00:26] minus: nice [00:26] what do i need to remove to reset my gnome theme back to default? [00:26] Cover up the GLXgears window with another window and watchit go higher! [00:27] start menus missing [00:27] Dr_willis, I know ;) [00:28] I am having a really strange bug -- I am running 7.10 on the live disk and I notice that the title bars for every single window are HUGE -- like 1/8th my screen -- with enormous fonts [00:29] minus: any idea how to get compiz to respect a KDE theme? It is using a gnome theme for the borders, mininmize, etc. [00:29] would anyone know if i wud be ok install v3.3 of my system BIOS on top of v4.0? [00:29] Did my last message about the bug get through? [00:29] Capa1: yes [00:29] any ideas [00:29] none here [00:29] Clinton__, my tip: install emerald to get even nicer borders.. [00:30] I hate that KDE is so big.. so much whitespace everywhere... [00:30] this is strange, every title bar is 1/8th my screen size [00:30] the maximize/resize/etc buttons are HUGE [00:30] 2 inches square [00:30] those comments appear to be completely irreleant minus [00:30] err [00:30] irrelated [00:30] but the actual ICONS of the maximize/close etc are normal size [00:30] huh? [00:31] what do you mean? [00:31] !google earth [00:31] so I see a huge 2 inch square button with a tin maximize button in the middle [00:31] Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html - A package for Ubuntu is available in the !Medibuntu repository [00:31] brb [00:31] Why do I have to click the windowtitle to focus a windows in KDE? [00:31] !Medibuntu > Arenlor [00:31] !Medibuntu [00:31] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [00:31] minus: no clue, bad setup? [00:31] it should focus and rise on top if I click in the middle of it [00:31] minus: you shouldn't need to [00:31] Clinton__, just installed it :/ [00:32] anyone here test ov51x-jpeg with the latest gutsy updates? [00:32] my taskbar is on autohide and now won't come back.... [00:32] compiz is doign something funky [00:32] Clinton__, :/ [00:32] is anyone having extremely low volume problems with gusty? [00:32] aha, there it is [00:33] quick_nick: does alsamixer show that your PCM is low? [00:33] ever since i upgraded to gutsy, when i reboot my panel in gnome loads on the bottom of the window [00:33] or center or front? [00:33] my 24" monitor feels small in KDE :( [00:33] moved a window off the top and then moved the mouse up there brought it back [00:33] only when i have the expand option turned off [00:33] Question, from the live disk on Gutsy everything Compiz related works fine except: 1) There are no ways I see to CHANGE settings -- like enable/disable plugins, and #2 -- how do I enable expo? Where I can move the mouse to the top right and all windows tile? [00:33] minus: make fonts smaller, I do it [00:33] it has my vol all the way up [00:33] minus: make the taskbar smaller... and the icons smaller... [00:33] but i can barely hear anything === Vorian_ is now known as Vorian [00:33] quick_nick: what volume? PCM? Master? Center? Front? [00:34] feld master [00:34] WTF?! CAnt I make the panelicons to size 16?! [00:34] BLEH [00:34] is your PCM low, quick_nick ? [00:34] i just checked no its all the way up too [00:34] what are the contents of the ubuntu dvd? I assume it has livecd + alternate install, but I don't understand why it is >4GB [00:34] minus apparently not [00:35] quick_nick: take a look in alsamixer, not the gui volume controls and play with the mixers in there [00:35] brb [00:35] k ill give it a try [00:36] !vmware [00:36] VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers [00:36] dystopianray: it has lots of language packs, and some main packages [00:36] i have master set to infinity and pcm set to 100<>100 but still LOW audio [00:37] card is a hda intel realtec alc861 [00:37] has vm player dissapeared from the repos ? [00:37] I am sure it was in there the other day :/ [00:38] tatters it would look so [00:39] I think I found a quote for bash.org [00:39] Whats that [00:39] feld: yeah its all the way up on the alsamixer too. card is a hda intel realtec alc861 according to the mixer [00:40] my friend just told me she can't afford linux [00:40] thats understandable [00:40] Arenlor, time is a resource [00:40] monetary price is only one factor of input [00:40] silent, I hope that is what she means [00:41] Arenlor, either that or she's learned about redhat [00:42] silent, yuck, I hate them, my college even uses it and complains about having to pay for it instead of M$ and I'm just trying to not be belligerent to them about it. [00:42] they could just use CentOS [00:42] best of both worlds [00:43] I'm going to go in with a gutsy cd and just reinstall on all their computers most likely lol, nice "prank" and they get a free working system [00:43] Arenlor: i dont think forcing it on them is exactly the smartest move [00:43] perhaps persuade them with factual data and let them make an informed decision [00:44] true, but where's the fun in that? [00:44] they need support and someone to blame when things go wrong, i doubt they'd consider an entirely free solution that left them on their own [00:44] so the new CD should be available at midnight, huh? [00:45] why are apps not available for linux like they are in osx? [00:45] Adlai: no [00:45] if they put on Ubuntu they could get Canonical support right? [00:45] dystopianray: some random time during the day then? [00:45] anyone use chipset Realtek rtl818x ? [00:45] so they'll go from complaining about paying for red hat, to complaining about paying for ubuntu [00:45] Adlai: that's right [00:45] mmkay [00:46] Adlai: somewhere around the GMT timezone too [00:46] dystopianray all the tech service people use Ubuntu, so it's not like they would have to pay anyway [00:48] Adlai: but being so close to release you could download one of the daily livecd builds and it'd likely be exactly what gutsy final will be [00:49] or if you're already running feisty just upgrade [00:50] is there a command like lspci for serial ports? === kompensator_ is now known as anyone === anyone is now known as kompensator [00:54] when can we expect Gutsy final release? [00:55] zetheroo please read the topic [00:55] which topic? [00:55] kevinO: I'd think that you would want to use wireshark for that. [00:55] I think it can sniff serial traffic [00:55] "Gutsy Gibbon is NOT out yet (and NO, we don't know when exactly it will be!), but if you want to party in advance, do it here" [00:55] haha [00:55] sure thing [00:55] no, thats the wrong topic [00:55] zetheroo: the topic of the channel. [00:55] do it here is #ubuntu-release-party [00:56] hydrogen thanks for the info [00:56] "This channel is for support, "is it out yet" questions etc. in #ubuntu-release-party please." [00:56] ok [00:56] thanks [00:56] sorry my answer wasn't complete ;) [00:58] what time in free gusty gibson? [00:59] what time is free gusty gibson? [00:59] getting ready to ask the same question [00:59] we talkin, midnight according to EST? or what [00:59] midday GMT most likely [00:59] it doesn't really matter [01:00] If you are running gutsy release canidates you will not notice a difference [01:00] Time Chile is 20:59 [01:00] it's based off of when the developers from western europe wake up, take a shower, eat, go through their work day, then upload it to the server, then contact the webadmins to change the site, or so I'd think [01:00] here it's 02:00 [01:00] heh good point [01:00] though, they may be borgs and not need to eat [01:01] It is 0:00 GMT right now [01:01] theres not really much to upload.. [01:01] i'd expect gutsy within 12 hours [01:01] in theory it should be the exact same as the latest daily [01:01] true [01:01] but they need to rebuild it and then upload it as Final [01:02] why would they need to rebuild it? [01:03] well in case they have to change anything about it [01:04] such as if it contains Beta in it anywhere as a tag or something [01:04] it is already well past the beta stage [01:05] true it's not in the RC stage [01:05] but still [01:06] in this gui tool that's replacing conf files, is there a way to merge files? [01:06] i.e. take some lines from the old and some from the new? [01:06] hi .. shoudln't gutsy have released by now ? [01:06] rohan: no [01:06] Question, How do I upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy WITH the live disk? [01:07] CapaH: you cannot [01:07] they need to have a bot /msg everyone who joins telling them Gutsy is not out yet, and no it shouldn't be out [01:07] CapaH: you need the alternate disk, or live upgrade [01:07] Arenlor: why would they read that? They don't read the topic [01:07] ah [01:07] Arenlor: it did say 1 days (sic) ago, about 24 hours ago [01:08] right now it says 01 days left for me people [01:08] so we still have a day left [01:08] it says 00 for me [01:08] yes, 00 for me too [01:09] in 4 hours it'll say 00 for me [01:09] Arenlor: it should say 00 everywhere, i think the image isn't dependent on system time [01:09] Is there a way to reset everything 'gnome' without touching any other settings? My primary issue is admin menu missing things, and alacarte will not work to checkmark the missing. [01:10] jdrake: If you aren't in the admin group you can't get to most of the stuff in the admin menu [01:10] Amaranth: hmm [01:10] ah, the sweet smell of "Is it there yet?!" [01:10] jdrake: If you can't get access to it then it requires sudo access [01:10] Which is primarily controlled by the admin group [01:11] i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help? [01:11] Amaranth: It appears that my account is a member of the admin group [01:11] will gutsy come out faster if I repeat the question "Is it out yet?" every two minutes? [01:11] crimsun: i'm sure you're testing the final install iso's atm ? ;) [01:11] jdrake: Do you particularly care about any mime associations you made? [01:11] jdrake: Like 'open movies with vlc' or something [01:11] Amaranth: I have not made any [01:11] rohan: nope [01:11] mntnpngn: yes, and if the complete channel chants it, they might just throw out the iso's right now [01:11] hello, i have a problem upgrading to gutsy, update manager wants to download an insane 3GB of data [01:12] jdrake: I've got a quick way to reset your menu then. rm -rf ~/.config/menus/* ~/.local/share/applications/* [01:12] my system is only 5G right now [01:12] jdrake: If that doesn't fix it then you probably aren't actually in the admin group [01:12] Amaranth: ok, I guess I best log out to test [01:13] jdrake: i would first check if you are int he adming roup [01:13] bfore deleting dtuff [01:13] stuff [01:13] go to user manager [01:13] and check [01:13] For anyone who wondered, the image saying 00 or 01 days left IS based on your computer's time, it uses javascript [01:13] i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help? [01:13] !rsync [01:13] anyone experiencing thunderbird crashes when getting new mail? [01:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about rsync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:14] bricas: haven't gotten that far yet [01:15] how in heck do you play .mkv files in ubuntu? [01:15] .x264 [01:15] vlc? [01:15] mplayer? [01:16] how do I make the deskbar have an entry field in the panel like it did before, and not have it open a whole new window? [01:17] well not like it did by default before, but how I had it before [01:18] clouder: You don't. That's the new deskbar. Later versions should have a panel-entry field, but this is a heavily reworked deskbar, which doesn't yet have that feature back. [01:18] ahh ok, but it should be coming back? [01:18] ah-ha. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/119836 # exact problem. [01:18] Launchpad bug 119836 in thunderbird "Latest version hungs after downloading new mail" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:19] It appears the whole problem was the admin group. I must have looked at the wrong account before. [01:20] i have a nvidia graphics card, and upon installing ubuntu, i enabled the restricted driver for it, but upon restart, it said that my x server wasn't properly configured, any help? [01:20] clouder: Yes, hopefully for Hardy. [01:21] I recently updated and have compiz problems. Specifcally, all windows have no borders. I was not using compiz before the update, but I had installed and experimented with it. I think I may have borked the configuration long ago. [01:22] what time will it be out tommorow? [01:22] zach382: read the topic [01:22] zach382 read the topic, it says #ubuntu-release-party for that question [01:22] Has Gusty released yet? lol [01:22] :-p [01:22] someone train a bot to say that, please [01:23] just reply "topic." [01:23] im not asking is it out... im asking if anyone knows the planned time of release [01:23] its faster than any bot command [01:23] the countdown says 0 days now [01:23] zach382: see the "etc" part of the topic? [01:23] touche [01:23] !topic | jdmc [01:23] jdmc: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [01:23] ;) [01:23] hha okay [01:23] tomorrow ... that's all we know [01:23] i get the point [01:23] shazam [01:23] :) are the devs on a specific channel? [01:23] I just got schooled... [01:24] zach382: yes but generally very busy. [01:24] yes.. tomorrow, but tomorrow in what time zone [01:24] zach382: there are some in -release party [01:24] hmm they probably are very busy... well i guess ill just wait. [01:24] jmdc you had a question about compiz being FUBAR? [01:24] Arenlor: yes [01:25] I think I screwed it up a long time ago, but I don't really remember === varka_ is now known as varka [01:25] jmdc first try uninstalling it and turning off any third party repos then apt-get update and reinstall it to see if it works [01:26] also do you have it turned on in System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects? [01:27] Arenlor: I have no 3rd party stuff, and I did turn it on via the gui. [01:27] I'm reinstalling now. [01:27] remember to restart X after the reinstall [01:27] also if you don't have it install compizconfig-settings-manager [01:30] When Gutsy is released, beta users will be updated? [01:30] yes [01:30] And it will be released at midnight? =p [01:30] !final | IanLiu [01:30] IanLiu: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [01:30] IanLiu: read the topic [01:31] IanLiu if it was going to be released at midnight it won't know, they push it back an hour every time someone asks a question pertaining to when it'll be coming out [01:32] !virtualizer [01:32] Sorry, I don't know anything about virtualizer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:32] Hmm [01:32] !virtualizers [01:32] There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications [01:33] The topic is confusing. The comma is misused. When read quickly, I see "This channel is for support, "is it out yet" questions etc." [01:33] ;-D [01:34] err [01:34] its not misused [01:34] well, that's typical headline grammar, so it is a little confusing [01:34] This channel is for support, questions about "is it out" in another channel [01:34] you are ignoring part of the topic === crimsun changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Home of the Gutsy Gibbon" | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | This channel is for Gutsy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty join #ubuntu | Remember Gutsy still has bugs, so please file them as you find them | This channel is for support; "is it out yet" questions belong in #ubuntu-release-party. [01:35] etc. is an abbreviation [01:35] Yay semicolon! [01:35] Arenlor: window borders are still missing [01:35] the topic is incorrect though. === TuxedoLou is now known as DMLou [01:35] Gutsy doesn't have bugs [01:35] My sound card wasn't recognized... It says I don't have correct GStreamer plugin. What should I do? [01:35] hydrogen: hah [01:35] it should say "Gutsy has no more bugs, your job is done" [01:35] jmdc do you have emerald installed? [01:35] Heh [01:36] Anyone here any good at wireless network config? [01:36] or at least lucky with it? :) [01:36] Arenlor: no. [01:37] jmdc when you log in, the session you log in with is it GNOME or XGL session or what? [01:39] Arenlor: its gnome. I turn on the effects after I log in [01:39] XGL is automatically loaded on Gutsy, they shouldn't need to be turned on [01:40] I need help getting flash to work in firefox. I worked fine prior to the upgrade to Gusty. Now I don't see anything, not even a box telling me I need to install additional plugins. [01:40] Arenlor: no it's not [01:40] hi, I am trying to remove virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic however it gives me an error, how can I remove it? the error is: E: virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 [01:40] not xgl-xserver no but once you have the installed it automatically starts [01:41] Arenlor: right [01:41] nibsa1242b what flash thing do you use? [01:41] I think I misunderstood. [01:42] what GStream package should I install to control volume? When I click on the volume icon on task bar it says I've got no module or device to control sound was found.. [01:42] When I log in, (I think) I'm looking at GDM [01:42] oops, eliminate the 'was found...' :) [01:42] Arenlor: I just need to be able to see flash on webpages if firefox, right now "flashplugin-nonfree" is installed. [01:43] Hello guys. Is there a way to edit the 3D effects used in Ubuntu 7.10? [01:43] nibsa1242b try uninstalling that and then go to a flash page and have it install it for you [01:43] Arenlor: ok I'll try that. [01:44] Has anyone here had any luck getting Gutsy to work with an Atheros wireless chip-based ThinkPad? [01:44]