[00:12] <hansin> soren: Thanks for the info on python-flup
[00:49] <orbstra> hey I get an error when I try to run mediatomb, It says libupnp cannot bind to socket and upnp register root device failed.. I think the first error causes the second error
[02:14] <jimcooncat> I want to run seamless Win 2003 servers via KVM on my two LTSP Ubuntu servers, and split the load among my users. Does Winbind authentication with Samba sound like the way to go?
[08:00] <kraut> moin
[08:15] <_ruben> mornin
[13:02] <ScottK> dendrobates: I notice in your proprietary hardware support spec you were looking for information from Dell.  There's a Dell person (who packaged dkms for Gutsy) who goes by mdomsh (I think, it's close to that and he's not on right now) who's been periodically in #ubuntu-motu.
[13:03] <dendrobates> ScottK: thanks.  I'll look for him/her.
[13:03] <ScottK> No problem.
[13:14] <_ruben> ah .. 7.10 is out .. started wondering, since the counter was showing 00 days to go :p
[13:18] <_ruben> $ lsb_release -v
[13:18] <_ruben> No LSB modules are available.
[13:18] <_ruben> is this expected? just curious
[13:23] <ScottK> _ruben: Dunno if it's excpected, but I get the same.
[13:24] <ScottK> soren and lamont: pitti accepted your source backports.  Thank you very much for uploading them.
[13:24] <soren> ScottK: You're very welcome.
[13:24] <_ruben> ah ok
[13:25] <_ruben> ah sweet .. didnt have a chance to actually check until now, but the udev+/var/log bug is indeed fixed ;-)
[13:26] <_ruben> added a 4port NIC, and its nicely added to /etc/udev/...
[13:28] <_ruben> hmm .. but still getting "error receiving uevent message: No buffer space available"
[13:28] <_ruben> restarted udev to see if i could rename my interfaces that way
[13:28] <_ruben> worked, but took quite a while
[13:48] <lamont> ScottK: no worries
[15:06] <ScottK> dendrobates: mdomsch (dell guy) is in #ubuntu-motu now.
[15:42] <RAdam1> how do I make domain user equivalent in permissions to root?
[15:45] <sommer> RAdams: this may be what you're looking for: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2005-September/111520.html
[15:55] <RAdams> sommer: no, unfortunately that would only work if this were a domain controller and I needed to add machines to the network.
[15:56] <RAdams> I did it once before... just can't remember how :|
[15:57] <RAdams> does anyone know how to add a group to /etc/group and make that whole group have root privileges? the catch is: the group name has a space in it
[15:58] <mralphabet> spaces are the debil
[15:59] <RAdams> the debil is in the details :)
[15:59] <sommer> RAdams: Why does the group need root priveleges?
[16:00] <RAdams> sommer: the group is Domain Admins. It's the Windows group for administrators of this domain
[16:01] <RAdams> I want them to have the same priveleges as root, because that's how we treat our domain admin accounts: they are rarely if ever logged into, and only when extensive admin work needs to be done
[16:01] <RAdams> the others i've already made sudoers
[16:01] <sommer> RAdams: wouldn't you just want to add them to sudoers as well?
[16:01] <mralphabet> you want to bypass the "sudo" requirement?
[16:02] <RAdams> for Domain Admins, yes
[16:02] <RAdams> the rest, no
[16:03] <lamont> RAdams: group names don't have spaces.
[16:03] <RAdams> lamont: windows groups do
[16:03] <lamont> see previous statement
[16:03] <RAdams> lamont: "Domain Admins"
[16:03] <lamont> it'll need to be aliased to a real group
[16:03] <RAdams> how
[16:04] <lamont> I expect that there's some way to do it in samba... dunno
[16:04] <sommer> RAdams: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/groupmapping.html
[16:05] <lamont> you could make sudo for that group not require a password
[16:05] <sommer> RAdams: my advice is to just allow the sudo permissions though.  Some organizations do the same thing with Domain Admins
[16:05] <lamont> as far as making the whole group root, you need to override their UID to zero if they're a member of that group... sounds like a nasty little setuid script in .profile maybe
[16:06] <lamont> much better to teach them to say 'sudo' and have sudo not need a password
[16:06] <sommer> I concur with lamont :)
[16:06] <RAdams> I can make sudo not need a password for Domain Admins?
[16:08] <lamont> %admin    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[16:08] <lamont> would be the syntax for the group 'admin'.  see previous statement about no spaces.
[16:20] <gregbuntu> hi all. i wonder if i can upgrade my servers by torrenting the server iso and using that, instead of using the network?
[16:22] <lamont> gregbuntu: if everything you installed on the machine is on the server iso, then yes.  if you installed things off the network before, and they're not on the server iso, then you won't see the update for them
[16:22] <lamont> server and alternate iso are both apt repositories.  desktop cd cannot be used for upgrades
[16:22] <lamont> well, other than the use case of flat-lining the machine and reinstalling and pretending that counts as "upgrade"
[16:33] <gregbuntu> hmmm. i think i'll wait and do a network upgrade, when things cool down a little
[16:33] <gregbuntu> there are some apps from universe that won't be on the CD, so i have a bad feeling about that.
[16:40] <RAdams> gregbuntu: the torrents are moving decently
[16:40] <gregbuntu> i notice on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading the last procedure for upgrade using alternate cd. I would like to use that to upgrade my workstation, however same issue: i have several apps from universe, multiverse that won't be on the CD. I wonder if that will create dependency nightmare and kill my box, or if I can just update the other apps later.
[16:40] <gregbuntu> RAdams: ya, i am torrenting the alternate .. looking good
[16:41] <RAdams> torrent is nice because the busier it is, the faster it moves :) (provided it;s not 100% leechers)
[16:41] <mralphabet> if you have packages installed that are not on the cd, it is not a good idea to use the cd as the repo
[16:42] <gregbuntu> mraphabet: ok thanks.
[16:42] <RAdams> lol 415kbps on the alternate amd64 iso... thanks seeders
[16:42] <RAdams> oops wrong channel
[16:42] <RAdams> focus stealing is evil
[16:45] <lamont> RAdams: gconf-editor: apps/metacity/general/focus_mode = strict
[16:45] <lamont> iz love
[16:45] <lamont> well, not always love. sometimes it's pain
[16:45] <RAdams> lamont: which is great when you're not on windows
[16:45] <RAdams> :(
[16:45] <lamont> and yes, that's not even in the schema
[16:45]  * RAdams is at work
[16:45]  * AlexJTanner believes that the ubuntu 8.10 should be called Sexy Squirrel
[16:45] <RAdams> alexjtanner, that would break the naming schema
[16:46] <lamont> "strict" tells metacity that the answer to "when is it right to give the new window focus" == never
[16:46] <AlexJTanner> what naming scheme
[16:46] <AlexJTanner> oh wait
[16:46] <AlexJTanner> duh
[16:46] <AlexJTanner> nvm
[16:46] <lamont> AlexJTanner: S is 13.04
[16:47] <AlexJTanner> well never to late to start
[16:47] <AlexJTanner> too early
[16:47] <lamont> 'twas funnier the other way, though
[16:48] <gregbuntu> enjoy gibboning. see you later.
[16:48] <lamont> oh.  S is 13.10.
[16:48] <lamont> we just released gutsy, not hardy.  my bad.
[17:09] <RAdams> finger and finger-ldap takes up 3MB? o.O
[17:47] <c1|freaky> why should i use the -server kernel instead of the standard one on a server?
[17:49] <mralphabet> c1|freaky: it has a slightly more hardware support and I believe some of the virtualization patches
[17:49] <c1|freaky> i dont need anything of that i guess
[17:49]  * mralphabet shrugs
[17:50] <ivoks> congrats everybody :)
[17:50] <ivoks> there's more
[17:51] <ivoks> -server kernel doesn't do preempting and uses different scheduler
[17:51] <ivoks> hardware support is, iirc, exactly the same
[17:52] <c1|freaky> ok umm ... udevd is taking up 100% CPU ... i just upgraded to gutsy ... has anyone an idea how or why that happened?
[17:52] <c1|freaky> was after the upgrade
[17:52] <ivoks> you have to reboot in new kernel
[17:52] <ivoks> udev is linked to kernel version
[17:53] <c1|freaky> 2.6.22-14
[17:55] <lamont> udev needs to deal with kernel-version-mismatch more gracefully
[17:55] <ivoks> lamont: i guess it will, once it gets stable API :D
[17:55] <c1|freaky> what can i do?
[17:55] <lamont> heh
[17:55] <c1|freaky> i have installed the newest kernel and rebootet
[17:55] <c1|freaky> one moment
[17:55] <c1|freaky> ill check it
[17:55] <lamont> and do you have the latest udev as well?
[17:56] <c1|freaky> everything upgraded
[17:56] <c1|freaky> apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades nothing anymore
[17:56] <c1|freaky> without any errors
[17:56] <ivoks> you upgraded with do-release-upgrade, right?
[17:56] <c1|freaky> no
[17:57] <c1|freaky> apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:57] <c1|freaky> and then apt-get upgrade
[17:59] <ivoks> and udevd is on 100%?
[17:59] <c1|freaky> yes after a reboot
[18:02] <c1|freaky> still
[18:03] <c1|freaky> and sda is busy 92%
[18:03] <ivoks> that's a server?
[18:03] <c1|freaky> sdb isnt mounted at all
[18:03] <c1|freaky> yes
[18:03] <c1|freaky> dedicated server
[18:04] <ivoks> tail -f /var/log/udev
[18:04] <ivoks> anything happening there?
[18:04] <c1|freaky> no
[18:04] <c1|freaky> UDEVD_EVENT=1 is the last entry
[18:05] <c1|freaky> action=add
[18:05] <ivoks> ok
[18:05] <c1|freaky> DEVPATH=/bus/pci/drivers/parport_pc
[18:05] <ivoks> all logs are idle?
[18:05] <lamont> interesting.  klogd had gone into an infinite read loop on my machine.
[18:06] <c1|freaky> Oct 18 19:06:07 master kernel: [ 1739.412000] device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[18:06] <c1|freaky> Oct 18 19:06:07 master kernel: [ 1739.412000] device-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[18:06] <c1|freaky> that repeats in /var/log/syslog
[18:06] <ivoks> ah, you have raid?
[18:06] <c1|freaky> no
[18:06] <c1|freaky> it shouldnt have raid
[18:06] <c1|freaky> there was an attempt but it didnt work
[18:07] <c1|freaky> it always went back to failsafe mode or something like that
[18:07] <ivoks> you have mdadm installed?
[18:07] <c1|freaky> yea
[18:08] <ivoks> but you don't need it, right?
[18:08] <c1|freaky> yea
[18:08] <c1|freaky> i dont think so
[18:08] <ivoks> apt-get --purge remova mdadm :)
[18:08] <ivoks> remove
[18:08] <c1|freaky> are u sure it wont destroy anything?
[18:08] <ivoks> well, you don't have raid, right?
[18:09] <ivoks> check with 'mount'
[18:09] <ivoks> if there is /dev/md*, then you have raid
[18:09] <c1|freaky> the normal /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are usually mounted
[18:09] <c1|freaky> now also
[18:09] <c1|freaky> just not sdb
[18:10] <ivoks> then purge mdadm
[18:10] <c1|freaky> ok
[18:10] <c1|freaky> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-k7
[18:10] <c1|freaky> W: udev hook script requires at least kernel version 2.6.17
[18:10] <c1|freaky> W: not generating requested initramfs for kernel 2.6.15-26-k7
[18:11] <c1|freaky> should i remove the old kernels?
[18:11] <ivoks> khm...
[18:11] <ivoks> you updated dapper to gutsy?
[18:11] <c1|freaky> no, feisty
[18:11] <ivoks> 2.6.15 isn't feisty's kernel :)
[18:11] <ivoks> anyway, you can remove them later
[18:11] <c1|freaky> ok should i remove the 2.6.15 kernels?
[18:11] <c1|freaky> ok
[18:12] <c1|freaky> ok can i reboot?
[18:12] <ivoks> yes
[18:12] <ivoks> cross your fingers :)
[18:13] <c1|freaky> ok
[18:23] <freakyy> still the same
[18:23] <freakyy> sdb seems to be busy
[18:23] <freakyy> it cant be mounted
[18:23] <freakyy> nor unmounted
[18:23] <freakyy> still device-mapper: table: linear: dm-linear Device lookup failed.
[18:25] <freakyy> ivoks u still there?
[18:25] <ivoks> yeah, but i'll go now...
[18:26] <ivoks> does /dev/mdstat exsist?
[18:26] <ivoks> sorry.
[18:26] <ivoks>  /proc/mdstat
[18:27] <c1|freaky> :((((
[18:27] <freakyy> no it doesnt exist
[18:27] <ivoks> that's good :)
[18:28] <freakyy> ok
[18:28] <freakyy> one moment
[18:28] <ivoks> i'll be later in couple of hours...
[18:28] <freakyy> both dont exist
[18:28] <freakyy> ok, how many?
[18:29] <freakyy> its 19:28 here and i have school tomorrow
[18:29] <ivoks> 2-3
[18:29] <freakyy> ok i think ill be here
[18:29] <freakyy> can you highlight me?
[18:29] <freakyy> if you remember because i probably wont see when ure back
[18:29] <ivoks> sure
[18:29] <freakyy> just c1|freaky
[18:29] <freakyy> ok thank you :))
[18:29] <ivoks> bye
[18:29] <freakyy> bye (:
[18:38] <leitao> hi. does anyone know if the init.d/ scripts have an order to be loader, and where it is defined?
[18:39] <infinity> ls -l /etc/rc?.d/
[18:39] <leitao> infinity: ?
[18:40] <infinity> Yes, that was a response to your question.
[18:41] <leitao> infinity: humm. I mean, what script is executed after other? what is the first script executed, what is the last.
[18:41] <infinity> leitao: It's defined by the alnum ordering of the symlinks in each runlevel (hence my ls command)
[18:42] <leitao> infinity: ahh, I think I got. :-) So, if I have a script K1FOO, L2BAR, then scrtip FOO will be executed before BAR, correct?
[18:46] <infinity> Err.
[18:47] <infinity> "K" and "S" have a special meaning (the script will be called with "stop" or "start")
[18:47] <infinity> If you want something in runlevel 2, between two things at S21 and S35, you'd want S30myscript, or whatever, in rc2.d
[18:53] <leitao> infinity: great. Thanks!
[19:17] <dogwater> Hi, does anyone know how to prevent Ubuntu 7.10 from naming itself 'kickseed' when using kickstart to install it?
[20:56] <ivoks> freakyy: ?
[21:00] <mralphabet> ivoks: it's c1|freaky
[21:00] <ivoks> did they/he solved the issue?
[21:00] <mralphabet> I believe he has not solved the issue
[21:00] <ivoks> c1|freaky: there?
[21:01] <mralphabet> or at least has not said anything about it
[21:01] <ivoks> ok
[21:01] <ivoks> (anyone knows how to limit upload rate with btlaunchmany?)
[21:17] <mathiaz> ivoks: --max_upload_rate ?
[21:18] <mathiaz> ivoks: --help should give you the list of options.
[21:18] <ivoks> maybe we aren't talking about same thing :)
[21:20] <lamont> jdstrand: uh, gutsy? that'd be "closed"
[21:20] <lamont> gutsy-updates, maybe
[21:21] <jdstrand> lamont: what are you referring to?
 mathiaz: what do you think the chances of getting the debdiff for bug #135624 uploaded for gutsy?
[21:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135624 in php5 "libapache2-mod-php5 should provide LAMP test page" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135624
[21:23] <lamont> which appears to be a bit stale - my bad
[21:23] <jdstrand> lamont: that is some serious backlog dude :)
[21:23] <lamont> jdstrand: yeah
[21:23] <lamont> xchat dumped a log instead of bip handing it to it
[21:23] <lamont> so, uh, yeah
[21:27] <mathiaz> jdstrand: I don't it would make it in gutsy-updates.
[21:27] <mathiaz> /don't/ don't think/
[21:27] <mathiaz> lamont: ^^
[21:27] <jdstrand> mathiaz: no, soren and I talked about it for hardy
[21:27] <mathiaz> jdstrand: sure. Debian may interested in it also.
[21:27] <lamont> yeah - forget I said anything...:-)
[21:28] <jdstrand> mathiaz: yes, then we would get it for free :)
[21:28] <mathiaz> jdstrand: infinity said he was ok with it. May be you should submit it to debian.
[21:28] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I will
[21:55] <hansin> Is there anything radically different about the 7.10 server release vs. 7.04?  Or does it follow pretty much the same design philosophy (which I like by the way)?
[21:56] <ivoks> radically? no, nothing...
[23:07] <donspaulding> anyone know how I can specify the time that cron runs the /etc/cron.daily scripts?
[23:08] <ivoks> edit /etc/crontab
[23:13] <AnRkey> Congrats everyone!
[23:16] <donspaulding> ivoks: wow, yikes, sorry
[23:16] <donspaulding> ivoks: thanks!
[23:16] <ivoks> :)