[00:48] <mokok> Anyone here knows good and light ides/editors for writing C code?
[01:11] <malcolmb> does geany do what you want?
[01:14] <mokok> Yes it does
[01:14] <mokok> I just installed it
[01:14] <mokok> And it seemed to be what I need
[01:19] <malcolmb> mokok: good stuff
[01:20] <malcolmb> it's off the xfce recommended apps list
[01:20] <malcolmb> that list has a bunch of decent lightweight software
[01:21] <malcolmb> http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[01:23] <mokok> Thanks
[01:24] <mokok> I added that link to my bookmarks :)
[02:16] <mcmischief> anyone in here?
[02:19] <crimsun> yes
[02:20] <mcmischief> could you help me with something?
[02:20] <mcmischief> i want to install xubuntu but it doesn't seem to install for me.. after loading it just goes to a black screen
[02:20] <mcmischief> maybe my computer can't handle it; it's an 800 mHz 160 MB RAM computer
[02:21] <crimsun> are you using the desktop image, the text-based installer (alternate) image, or the server image?
[02:22] <mcmischief> are you asking how i installed it
[02:22] <mcmischief> or which installation i used
[02:22] <mcmischief> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386 btw
[02:23] <crimsun> that's the desktop image, which requires more RAM than you have to run reasonably
[02:23] <crimsun> I recommend you attempt to install using the alternate image
[02:25] <mcmischief> ok
[02:25] <mcmischief> thanks
[04:49] <prak> is gutsy out now in most of the world?
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> prak: See #ubuntu-release-party (no)
[04:54] <prak> tonyyarusso: would it be released at the same time for the entire world?
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> prak: yes.
[05:28] <noooby> does thunar have inherent samba capabilites like nautilus?
[06:08] <graelb> Hi there
[06:09] <graelb> I'm having some issues with 7.10
[06:09] <graelb>  Here's the deal though...If i try to go to google.com in FF, it doesn't work. If i ping www.google.com first from a terminal, then go to google in FF, it works
[08:18] <Warpnow> I'm in the process of downloading Xubuntu. I've got a p2 350mhz with 128mb of ram, do you think I'll have trouble running it?
[08:19] <Warpnow> I'm running DSL at the moment and am...rather unimpressed, mainly with its package management, which doesn't seem too work very often.
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> Warpnow: should be fine I think.
[08:22] <Pixilarion> Warpnow: I used to run it on a computer like that
[08:22] <Pixilarion> and it worked fine
[08:22] <Pixilarion> just don't do anything "fancy" :)
[08:23] <Warpnow> Cool, thanks for the help. I'm really looking forward to it. Xubuntu looks much nicer than most of the other low-resource distros I've tried.
[08:23] <Pixilarion> Warpnow: you can always try elbuntu or ebuntu or somehting
[08:23] <Pixilarion> with enlightenment
[08:23] <Pixilarion> it's prettu light too
[08:24] <Pixilarion> but you will lose some functionality compared to xubuntu (xfce)
[08:24] <Warpnow> I'm relatively new to linux as well, been using it about a year, are the skins on places llikee xfce-look.org resource intensive, or are they just image replacements, or some of both?
[08:24] <jimmyww> okay, where do i find 7.10
[08:24] <Pixilarion> i guess just replacements that won't take much more resources
[08:25] <Pixilarion> jimmyww: jfgi ;)
[08:25] <Warpnow> its in the room topic, jimmy
[08:25] <jimmyww> thx'
[08:25] <jimmyww> so there is no 7.10
[08:25] <jimmyww> with stable
[08:26] <Pixilarion> no, but should be out today
[08:26] <jimmyww> so i should wait
[08:26] <Pixilarion> just wait a few hours
[08:26] <Pixilarion> if you want the stable release yes
[08:26] <Warpnow> RCs tend to be pretty stable from my experience, but I don't know specifically about this one
[08:26] <Pixilarion> but it will be more or less the same as the RC
[08:26] <jimmyww> because along with ubuntu its not out yet
[08:26] <jimmyww> ?
[08:27] <Warpnow> generally an RC is very near complete but they're just putting it through a last test
[08:27] <jimmyww> okay
[08:27] <jimmyww> now one more question
[08:27] <jimmyww> the machine i want to put linux on is 1ghz and 256mb
[08:28] <jimmyww> should i go for xubuntu
[08:28] <jimmyww> or ubuntu
[08:28] <jimmyww> renembering that im new to linux
[08:28] <jimmyww> ?
[08:28] <Warpnow> hrm, does 7.10 xubuntu have compiz like 7.`0 Ubuntu does (I hear, haven't actually tried 7.10...)?
[08:28] <Pixilarion> ubuntu will be ok
[08:28] <jimmyww> pixilarion, what do u mean
[08:28] <Pixilarion> jimmyww: it has more features than xubuntu so you should try that one first
[08:29] <Warpnow> he means you have the power to run either
[08:29] <jimmyww> thx
[08:29] <Pixilarion> Warpnow: compiz is not installed by default
[08:29] <Pixilarion> Warpnow: but you can always add it by installing
[08:29] <jimmyww> what is the minium specs for both
[08:30] <Warpnow> 256mb vs 128mb according to the official site, but I heard xubuntu runs on 64 decently
[08:30] <jimmyww> and on my 1ghz 256mb machine, will ubuntu work at a reasonable speed
[08:31] <jimmyww> because that is what im fearing
[08:31] <jimmyww> *is not
[08:31] <Warpnow> Its more about the programs you run. It should run fine, but don't try to run all the apps it comes with at the same time. Xubuntu will come with lighter apps which make it harder to use your RAM.
[08:31] <jimmyww> and thats why im thinking about xubuntu because i hear it runs faster
[08:32] <Warpnow> Your machine will run Ubuntu fine, as it only uses less than 100mb to boot (I think, don't quote me, but its close)
[08:32] <jimmyww> okay thx
[08:32] <Warpnow> Its just that if you load Ubuntu, Blender, OOo, Firefox, ect, at the same time..
[08:32] <Warpnow> your ram may limit you, whereas xubuntu includes programs where that's less less likely
[08:33] <jimmyww> ill probably try both
[08:33] <jimmyww> so what time do we expect a release?
[08:33] <Pixilarion> anytime this day i guess
[08:34] <Warpnow> Are you moving from Windows or Mac?
[08:34] <jimmyww> im on a mac now
[08:34] <jimmyww> and i like it
[08:35] <jimmyww> but i want to replace my windows machine that runs slow with linux
[08:35] <Warpnow> ah, yeah, I've heard Mac users tend to like Ubuntu and Windows users find Kubuntu more immediately pleasing, but once you've been using it for a few days, it doesn't matter much.
[08:35] <jimmyww> i definitly dont want to give up my mac
[08:36] <jimmyww> but im happy to give up my winblows machine
[08:36] <jimmyww> anyway
[08:36] <Warpnow> You can put Ubuntu on your mac :-p
[08:36] <jimmyww> yes, but i still want to use mac os x as my main os
[08:37] <Warpnow> I use macs for video editting. Mac OSX runs circles around the older version of the Mac OS
[08:37] <jimmyww> yes
[08:37] <jimmyww> there are programs on my mac that i also love
[08:38] <Warpnow> I used to despise using Macs, but now I kinda wish they had gone the full way and just made it linux-like BSD distro for all machines
[08:38] <jimmyww> for example there is quicksilver - quicksilver.blacktree.com
[08:38] <jimmyww> i cant live with out that
[08:38] <jimmyww> warpnow, what do u mean
[08:39] <jimmyww> oh well
[08:39] <Warpnow> haha, my live DSL didn't like that blacktree site
[08:39] <Warpnow> for some reason the browser just froze
[08:40] <jimmyww> the website is having trouble lately
[08:40] <jimmyww> someone hacked in to it and spammed it, i think
[08:40] <Warpnow> opera doesn't seem to play nice with DSL, either, but I couldn't get Firefox 2 or Konqueror to work at all
[08:41] <Warpnow> My main pc caught on fire- literally, my motherboard had flames coming from it
[08:41] <jimmyww> wow
[08:41] <Warpnow> so I scrapped together an old Pentium 2 motherboard with a 128mb of ram I found an old HD from years ago
[08:41] <jimmyww> wikipedia has a bit on quicksilver- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_%28software%29
[08:42] <Warpnow> and am running the OS from the HD while I download Xubuntu to the HD to install, heh.
[08:42] <jimmyww> though it doesn't explain how amazing it is
[08:42] <Warpnow> wikipedia is like the greatest site ever
[08:42] <Warpnow> I remember when only geeks knew about it...
[08:42] <jimmyww> i dont, im only 15
[08:43] <Warpnow> I'm 17, 18 in 2 weeks :D
[08:43] <jimmyww> cool
[08:43] <jimmyww> what is your main os now?
[08:44] <Warpnow> Generally Ubuntu, I still run XP on my laptop because its not so easy to get linux running on it, though.
[08:44] <jimmyww> yes, the reason y i waiting for 7.10 is that when i run the live cd
[08:45] <jimmyww> i get a buffer error i/o on logical bored f...
[08:45] <jimmyww> or something like that
[08:45] <jimmyww> and no one can help me with it
[08:45] <Warpnow> yeah, I'm still pretty newbish, I spend more times asking questions on the forum than anything, haha
[08:46] <Warpnow> the people on the forum are friendly as hell, though
[08:46] <jimmyww> not like digg
[08:46] <Warpnow> alot of the people on digg just aren't very bright. Its become too popular.
[08:48] <jimmyww> yes, many of the people like to criticize others rather that discuss the topic
[08:59] <jimmyww> ..
[09:17] <jimmyww> hurry up, please
[09:45] <nbjayme> hello all. I have added a network (pci) card into my system. I am using feisty. the network card is rtl8139c how do i add this? (i have restarted my computer but i do not see an eth1 in the network-admin). thanks for the help.
[10:02] <jimmyww> ya
[10:02] <jimmyww> y
[10:27] <strohi> hi
[10:28] <jimmyww> hi
[10:28] <jimmyww> does anyone know if conkey works on xubuntu
[10:29] <strohi> when comes the7.10 final xubuntu?  i need one desktop disk an  thinking about to load the 7.04
[10:30] <d1n0> damnit, got k/b for yelling at a bot at #ubuntu-release-party :/
[11:19] <rijo> Hi, Im trying to get my wireless network working. Its WPA encrypted wich i assume isnt configureable by default since there's just a wep option. What do I need to be able to configure it?
[11:21] <TheSheep> !wifi | rijo
[11:21] <ubotu> rijo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:21] <TheSheep> rijo: and look for 'wpa supplicant'
[11:21] <rijo> oki
[11:38] <keoni86> topic
[11:38] <keoni86> woops
[11:39] <keoni86> Does anyone know if 7.10 is ontime?
[11:39] <R[a]ndom> yeah the regular ubuntu images are up
[11:39] <R[a]ndom> but not offficially released yet
[11:39] <R[a]ndom> havent seen any xubuntu images
[11:42] <sadizm> xubuntu seems to be up at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[11:42] <sadizm> rumors say that this isn't final, but i'm dling anyway ~_~
[11:44] <keoni86> ah
[11:56] <R[a]ndom> sadizm, yeah, I'm pretty sure theyre wrong
[11:56] <R[a]ndom> as it isnt labelled RC or anything
[11:56] <R[a]ndom> and they arent about to just randomly update ISOs that were just uploaded
[11:59] <keoni86> got a point
[11:59] <sadizm> everyone on the forum's wondering why they don't "officially" release it yet
[12:00] <sadizm> some people are complaining that it's practically Oct19 in their time zomes XD
[12:00] <sadizm> *zones
[12:02] <keoni86> lol
[12:02] <keoni86> 1kb sec
[12:02] <keoni86> must be busy
[12:03] <sadizm> the torrent's faster :)
[12:05] <keoni86> ya i was just thinking maybe i should install a torrent client
[12:44] <gladier> hey guys ... you currently have a RC .. whens the full blown thing going ot be done?
[12:45] <gladier> for 7.10
[12:45] <jimmyww> where do i download 7.10 can u post a link
[12:46] <_agn_> is 7.10 out yet ?
[12:47] <gladier> yea
[12:48] <gladier> ubuntu .. not xubuntu
[12:48] <gladier> www.ubuntu.com ;)
[12:48] <jimmyww> gladier, where is the xubuntu torrent
[12:48] <gladier> there is no xubuntu 7.10 yet afaik
[12:48] <jimmyww> is it here
[12:48] <jimmyww> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[12:51] <krull> thanks for the link jimmyww
[12:51] <jimmyww> so is it out?
[12:52] <gladier> yaha
[12:53] <_agn_> whats the diffe between desktop and alternate /
[12:53] <gladier> desktop is a livecd
[12:53] <_agn_> i see
[12:53] <_agn_> thanx
[12:53] <gladier> alternate is for low memory machiens with a FB install
[12:53] <_agn_> ok
[12:53] <gladier> fb = framebuffer
[12:54] <jimmyww> is there a enough people for the torrent?
[12:54] <_agn_> so it won;t make much diff for a system with 1gb ram
[12:54] <gladier> no it just means its an alternate install .. end product is the same
[12:54] <_agn_> k
[12:54] <gladier> eg.. my laptop with 192mb ram
[12:55] <jimmyww> is the torrent seeded
[12:55] <_agn_> doh, torrent says it couldn't connect to server
[12:56] <jimmyww> im not sure if it is ment to be download now
[12:57] <gladier> might not be released
[12:58] <jimmyww> i think you right
[12:58] <gladier> nope
[12:58] <gladier> its been released
[12:58] <_agn_> yeah
[12:58] <gladier> xubuntu site ust hasnt been updated
[12:58] <gladier> confirmed by a dev
[12:59] <jimmyww> damm
[12:59] <gladier> ??
[13:00] <jimmyww> so can we download it or not
[13:02] <_agn_> yes, torrent is working now
[13:02] <_agn_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[13:02] <gladier> lol
[13:02] <gladier> all of the xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu trackers are bieng DDOS'd
[13:02] <_agn_> fsck
[13:03] <jimmyww> doss'd?
[13:03] <_agn_> i see the irc channels being flodded with bots
[13:03] <_agn_> damn, torrent stopepd
[13:03] <_agn_> seems like the tracker went down again
[13:03] <_agn_> jimmyww: just DDoS's
[13:03] <_agn_> *DDoS'd
[13:04] <jimmyww> what does it mean
[13:04] <gladier> think about how many people are currently downloading?
[13:04] <jimmyww> me
[13:04] <_agn_> gladier: yeah
[13:04] <_agn_> jimmyww: distribuetd denial of service
[13:04] <gladier> i know at least 50 people who are dedicating 4mb uplinks to seeding the torrent
[13:04] <_agn_> *distributed
[13:04] <jimmyww> okay
[13:04] <gladier> aka .. too many people trying to conenct at once
[13:04] <_agn_> gladier: wow
[13:04] <_agn_> prollt
[13:04] <jimmyww> yeah
[13:04] <_agn_> *prolly
[13:04] <_agn_> arrrrgh
[13:05] <jimmyww> why wont it work then
[13:05] <jimmyww> mines picking up now
[13:05] <_agn_> uploading faster than its downloading
[13:05] <_agn_> crap
[13:06] <jimmyww> downloading from 4 of 40 peers
[13:06] <jimmyww> this is slower then the direct download
[13:06] <gladier> oh btw _agn_ /... thats the ubuntu torrent
[13:07] <_agn_> which one ?
[13:07] <_agn_> damn its dead again
[13:07] <gladier> std i386 and alt i386
[13:07] <gladier> as theyre going to be the heaviest hit
[13:08] <_agn_> you mean the link i posted ?
[13:08] <gladier> in the ubuntu torrent for those seeders
[13:08] <jimmyww> i think i might try again tomorror
[13:08] <_agn_> the 4mb pipes
[13:08] <_agn_> ?
[13:08] <gladier> yea
[13:08] <_agn_> k
[13:08] <gladier> sorry .. i try to be clear
[13:08] <_agn_> xbuntu is crawling
[13:08] <gladier> but i have so much stuff going on at once atm
[13:09] <_agn_> gladier: :)
[13:09] <gladier> gfs who want to talk .. friends who have gf trouble ... clients who want midnight support
[13:09] <misfitpierce> Hello
[13:09] <misfitpierce> is the xubuntu final out yet?
[13:09] <gladier> it appears so :P
[13:10] <misfitpierce> have link where i can grab maybe? Im coming up to list that says oct 11 near each download
[13:10] <gladier> lol ... pumpernickel .. you beat me to asking you to do it
[13:10] <misfitpierce> oct 11th dosnt seem right for final
[13:10] <_agn_> much better
[13:10] <jimmyww> yes
[13:10] <gladier> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/
[13:10] <misfitpierce> much thanks pumpernickel
[13:11] <_agn_> torrent is picking up
[13:12] <jimmyww> i dont think so
[13:12] <_agn_> it is, for me
[13:12] <_agn_> although a bit slow
[13:13] <Pumpernickel> gah
[13:14] <Pumpernickel> That should do it.
[13:14] <_agn_> :)
[13:14] <jimmyww> geting there
[13:15] <jimmyww> how far thru the download are you guys
[13:15] <jimmyww> me, 6 mbs
[13:15] <jimmyww> 1.5%
[13:16] <jimmyww> 8 days remaining
[13:16] <_agn_> just 5.7mb here :(
[13:16] <gladier> :|
[13:16] <jimmyww> im giving up
[13:16] <jimmyww> it is 10 o clock here in australia
[13:16] <jimmyww> so i think its bed time
[13:17] <jimmyww> got school work 2morrow anyway
[13:17] <jimmyww> cya
[13:17] <jimmyww> have fun with your new distro
[13:17] <_agn_> cya
[13:17] <gladier> lol
[13:17] <gladier> jimmyww where in aus?
[13:17] <gladier> bah
[13:17] <_agn_> late
[13:18] <_agn_> fsck, i uploaded 7.2mb and wonloaded 6.3
[13:18] <_agn_> wtf
[13:18] <_agn_> *downloaded
[13:22] <cjae_> how does one cycle through the windows/programs open by the keyboard in win I think it was ctrl-tab?
[13:23] <gladier> in windows is alttab
[13:26] <cjae_> right thanks
[13:26]  * gladier questions your right to be in this channel
[13:27] <gladier> :P
[13:27] <cjae_> 0_o
[13:27] <cjae_> my screen was frozen thats why I was having problems
[13:27] <d1n0> its out yes?
[13:27] <gladier> hai
[13:27] <misfitpierce> Does the alternate Xbuntu also have the drive encryption
[13:27] <krull> d1n0: yup :)
[13:27] <gladier> ... ng
[13:27] <gladier> nfi*
[13:28] <krull> btw... anyone know of a howto LTSP with xubuntu?
[13:28] <d1n0> hmm url?
[13:28] <d1n0> ah neverMIND
[13:28] <krull> ;)
[13:28] <d1n0> was looking at the wrong place.... xubuntu.com... but all i need is here
[13:30] <misfitpierce> so xubuntu gutsy has drive encryption as well on alternate
[13:30] <misfitpierce> just to be clear 100%
[13:30] <misfitpierce> only alternate right?
[13:30] <cjae_> Does anyone know a solution to faster dvd burning?  I am trying to backup xubuntu and dvd burn speeds are terrible.
[13:31] <cjae_> Will using a non generic kernel help my situation? Recompile
[13:31] <gladier> get an external hdd
[13:32] <d1n0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ wont work..
[13:32] <d1n0> probably overloaded.... any others? torrents?
[13:32] <Pumpernickel> The servers are being hammered right now.  Please be patient.
[13:33] <cjae_> yes thought of this but why is dvd burning such an issue, reading launchpad and other sites and many are having issues
[13:33] <cjae_> gladier,
[13:34] <misfitpierce> Does anyone know if xubuntu alternate supports the encryption to partitions like ubuntu
[13:34] <cjae_> gladier, and I have not known there to be such a long standing issue in linux except for multimedia playback and that was due to laws
[13:35] <krull> yeah
[13:35] <krull> my dl just stopped :S
[13:35] <nikolam> 7.10 is out even not announced yet.
[13:36] <krull> woot it resumed :) thanks guys!
[13:38] <d1n0> krull: torrent?
[13:38] <nikolam> Hi
[13:38] <nikolam> What torrent should I use
[13:38] <nikolam> i will download with http then share it with torrent
[13:39] <krull> d1n0: nope from cdimage
[13:39] <krull> im at 41%
[13:39] <krull> its just being hammered
[13:40] <krull> I'll share it with BT as soon as I am done dling...
[13:42] <mikubuntu> guys, if i only have a terminal, and no gui, is it still possible to launch a browser, AND, does anybody knw what browser would be installed in fluxbuntu?
[13:43] <gladier> cjae_ - packet writing is still a new thing for linux
[13:44] <d1n0> krull: cool
[13:45] <nikolam> I think that fluxbuntu documentation reveales that
[13:45] <cjae_> gladier, when just burning random files to dvd, why is it faster to have then all in folders/directories than on their own?
[13:46] <cjae_> meaning that the burn goes smoother and faster
[13:46] <nikolam> I use seamonkey/iceape beacouse i think i use less ram for mail, newsgroups and browsing then with thunderbird/firefox
[13:46] <misfitpierce> No confirming for me here... Noone knows if Xubuntu alternate has encryption option like new Ubuntu alt?
[13:46] <nikolam> But there are some lightweight browsers
[13:46] <krull> where are the torrents? I've finished dling x/ubuntu 7.10 isos and I'd like to share em via BT
[13:47] <misfitpierce> torrents are at link location in topic
[13:47] <krull> thanks
[13:50] <d1n0> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[13:50] <nikolam> misfitpierce: Hey, but what torrent to use? Every mirror have different torrent?
[13:50] <krull> thanks d1n0... already sharing :)
[13:50] <d1n0> good, cause im downloading :)
[13:50] <misfitpierce> go to link in topic nikolam
[13:51] <misfitpierce> only 1 torrent for each diff type
[13:51] <nikolam> Ok, I will use that 10x
[13:51] <nikolam> Bu I will look for amd64 one alternate
[13:51] <misfitpierce> so noone knows if xubuntu alt carries encryption option like ubuntu gutsy has now on alt?
[13:52] <misfitpierce> cant find info anywhere
[13:53] <nikolam> I think 7.10 is not announced yet on xibinti.org Therefore, You should wait a bit
[13:53] <nikolam> xubuntu.org
[13:53] <d1n0> nikolam: this channel is official
[13:53] <nikolam> But I am running 7.04 amd64 xubuntu and I got message that i can upgrade.
[13:54] <d1n0> you can, or cant?
[13:54] <nikolam> That I can but I want just yet
[13:54] <misfitpierce> he got message to upgrade and link in topic says its out
[13:54] <d1n0> it is out
[13:55] <nikolam> I got button on upgrade manager to upgrade.
[13:55] <nikolam> Ok :)
[13:55] <gladier> nikolam i was speaking to a dev a little while ago
[13:55] <gladier> he said its official
[13:55] <nikolam> Ok :)
[13:55] <d1n0> why do you guys use xubuntu? why not ubuntu/kubuntu?
[13:56] <nikolam> xubuntu uses less resources, xfce is cool
[13:57] <d1n0> what computers specs?
[13:57] <nikolam> xubuntu can run on older computers and is faster on new ones
[13:57] <krull> im looking into using xubuntu on some lowend pcs
[13:57] <krull> also on LTSP setup
[13:57] <nikolam> xubuntu is great choice for older pc
[13:57] <d1n0> i run it on core2quad q6600 with 2gb ram, should i rather use ubuntu/kubuntu?
[13:58] <nikolam> Maybe,
[13:58] <nikolam> But I strongli dislike bloated env. of gnome/kde since I get used to xfce
[13:58] <d1n0> bloated?
[13:59] <nikolam> I also have 2 gigs now but I worked with 7.04 with no problems on 384Mb on p3. i think it is powerfull.
[14:00] <nikolam> d1n0: Maybe I used wrong expression, sorry
[14:00] <cjae_> does anyone know yet if dvd burning under gutsy is any better?
[14:00] <nikolam> I like xfce much more beacouse i can make it look how i want
[14:00] <d1n0> nikolam: ok
[14:01] <d1n0> do you use compiz fusion?
[14:01] <nikolam> why, dvd burning worked great before..
[14:01] <misfitpierce> Im downloading xubuntu gutsy alt but want to know if it supports encryption like ubuntu alt... Anyone know yet thats awake? lol
[14:01] <cjae_> nikolam, can't get any good speeds out of my burner
[14:02] <nikolam> i dont use it yes but will test it on 7.10 I tried compiz on 7.04 but haven`t find it useful, Picture is a little bit blurry with 3D (Amd690G integrated graphics, fglrx(\)
[14:03] <nikolam> cjae_: Try to use k3b is supposed to be the best Open source linux burning application
[14:03] <cjae_> I am using that
[14:03] <nikolam> Hm, maybe your DVD is on PATA and working in PIO mode
[14:03] <nikolam> Chech Bios settings and make it work as only device-maste.
[14:03] <nikolam> master
[14:05] <homebrewcider> probably a stupid question BUT my box is running xubuntu fiesty, will a dist-upgrade upgrade it to gutsy gibbon? sorry if this is a ridiculous question
[14:05] <krull> I cant seem to get use to KDE's UI... damn MS influence :S
[14:05] <gladier> i find gnome easier and faster
[14:05] <nikolam> homebrewcider: In your place I would use Update manager application to upgrade
[14:06] <homebrewcider> that will do what I asked?
[14:06] <nikolam> gladier: Reely? everyone is saying that xfce is much more lightweight and faster
[14:06] <krull> gnome seems more win32user friendly
[14:06] <krull> but xfce is lighter than gnome
[14:06] <gladier> yea
[14:06] <gladier> sorry
[14:06] <gladier> xfce is lighter
[14:06] <gladier> its been a long day
[14:07] <nikolam> I just dont like default ubuntu theme. on gnome it is so.. brown ahh.
[14:07] <gladier> up since 6 .. is now 11
[14:07] <gladier> lol i use the studioubuntu theme
[14:07] <krull> I couldn't run 710 ubuntu on a p3 with 512 ram
[14:07] <krull> and xubuntu booted nicely
[14:07] <gladier> wth
[14:07] <gladier> ...
[14:07] <gladier> 512 mb ram is tonens
[14:07] <nikolam> krull: Qool :)
[14:07] <gladier> i have had it on a p3 500mhz 192
[14:07] <gladier> just wasnt sp33dy enough
[14:08] <nikolam> I worked quite nice with xubuntu on P3-733/384Mb RAm
[14:08] <krull> yeah its weird really
[14:08] <nikolam> It used to use just about 80-90 mb after boot
[14:08] <homebrewcider> nikolam, the update manager will do what i originally asked?
[14:09] <nikolam> homebrewcider: It have button: Update to 7.10, so YES :)
[14:09] <homebrewcider> ok
[14:09] <homebrewcider> thanx
[14:09] <krull> is 1:2 ratio with ram/swap still applicable with xbuntu?
[14:09] <krull> ie: 512ram/1024swap
[14:10] <nikolam> krull: That is general question for linux, I think I still use x2 swap
[14:10] <krull> HDD is also a premium here... :D
[14:10] <gladier> lol i use 2gbram no swap
[14:10] <krull> I really got old systems... p3/p2s with 2GB hdds even! :D
[14:11] <krull> there's one with 512MB HDD! :D
[14:11] <krull> bless...
[14:11] <nikolam> krull: Maybe you could set up 2 hdd/s as a software raid. raid0 or 1 for sstem, raid1 for data and raid0 for swap :)
[14:11] <krull> heheh nice one nikolam :) I might try that
[14:11] <nikolam> I think you need 2gigs of HDD space for full install
[14:12] <krull> no! dl stopped at 99%!!!
[14:13] <krull> phew
[14:13] <krull> its trickling :)
[14:13] <krull> the servers are taking a beating!
[14:13] <krull> finished from cdimage! thanks!
[14:14] <krull> I got BT sharing them now ;)
[14:15] <homebrewcider> hmm, update manager has no button "upgrade to 7.10"
[14:17] <gladier> click reload :P
[14:17] <homebrewcider> did
[14:18] <nikolam> change your update server.
[14:18] <nikolam> Your mirror is maybe not updated yet
[14:18] <nikolam> Choose it in "software sources"
[14:19] <krull> bbiab
[14:19] <nikolam> and then refresh again
[14:19] <nikolam> Or just wait till your mirrors refresh itself
[14:22] <homebrewcider> ok
[14:22] <homebrewcider> I'll be more patient
[14:22] <f4te> using the update button in "applications -> system -> update manager", thatll install xubuntu 7.10?
[14:22] <f4te> all the working says "ubuntu 7.10" thats all...
[14:23] <homebrewcider> good point
[14:27] <f4te> anyone done it this way?
[14:46] <scriptdevil> *release time
[14:46] <scriptdevil> if ubuntu and xubuntu use the same repos, why does the *release* time differ?
[14:47] <vinze> Because someone from Xubuntu has to be online to release it
[14:47] <vinze> But we need release notes
[14:47] <vinze> So I'll be making those in a minute and then I'll announce it on the website I think
[14:47] <gladier> vinze ... you a dev i take it?
[14:48] <vinze> gladier, well... I update the website mostly, and follow the mailinglist...
[14:49] <gladier> aha
[14:49] <gladier> update the website dammit :P
[14:49] <gladier> i was getting confused
[14:49] <scriptdevil> well.i have always used rolling distros as a long term distro. ubuntu is not . so can you tell me if my assumption is right. "I wont get an update to firefox unless the next release is made"
[14:50] <vinze> You'll get updates, but just security updates
[14:50] <scriptdevil> vinze: hmmm. like say rewind 1 year back, i would get 1.5.2 but not 2.0
[14:50] <scriptdevil> from a 1.5.1
[14:50] <vinze> Yeah
[14:50] <scriptdevil> ok..
[14:51] <vinze> But when Firefox 1.5 isn't supported anymore I believe Ubuntu will update those of supported systems to Firefox 2
[14:52] <scriptdevil> thats more than enough.. after playin a lot with distros.. say about 20 now, i decided to settle down. so i chose ubuntu. no tweaking and stuff like that. just the good ol range of software, and programming tools
[14:52] <scriptdevil> i better start contributing.. just laid my hands on steve wozniak's book. iWoz.. amazing read
[14:54] <scriptdevil> hmmm. a gnomefreak in Xubuntu??
[14:55]  * gladier = gnomefreak
[14:55] <gnomefreak> ;)
[14:55] <gladier> hardly use anything else when i have a choice
[14:55]  * gladier = A gnomefreak
[14:55] <gladier> lol
[14:55] <gladier> not THE
[14:56] <scriptdevil> hmmm.. ok.. then i must call myself an emacsfreak
[14:56] <vinze> Does anyone know of a mirror of Xubuntu's Desktop CD?
[14:56] <gladier>  guys .. if your interested in car computers .. some thing you might be interested in www.nghost-project.com (not spam .. just getting the word out there)
[14:56] <gladier> theres quite a fe
[14:56] <gladier> w
[14:57] <scriptdevil> vinze: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/release/
[14:58] <vinze> I meant Gutsy... But I found one already
[14:58] <scriptdevil> vinze: you did?
[14:58] <vinze> Yeah
[14:58] <scriptdevil> i thought it was yet to mirror
[14:59] <vinze> MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY: If you can, please seed the Xubuntu Gutsy torrents
[14:59] <mindframe-> link
[14:59] <mindframe-> ill seed it on 100mbit
[14:59] <vinze> yeah coming ;-)
[14:59] <vinze> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/desktop/ for the desktop CD
[14:59] <vinze> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/gutsy/release/alternate/ for the alternate CD
[15:00] <scriptdevil> good..
[15:00] <vinze> O darn it
[15:00] <scriptdevil> i wll seed it in 1 and a half hours.. my net is free of cost after 9pm IST
[15:00] <scriptdevil> vinze: what?
[15:01] <vinze> Problem connecting to tracker - (111, 'Connection refused')
[15:01] <scriptdevil> :-|
[15:01] <Greenery> no torrent file yet?
[15:01] <vinze> There are torrent files, but I can't connect
[15:02] <Greenery> oh i clicked the wrong one lol
[15:02] <scriptdevil> my god.. the ubuntu servers are hell slow now..
[15:02] <gladier> nGhost Media Center BETA Version: 0.95
[15:02] <gladier> Nanonymous Group and the nGhost Team
[15:02] <gladier> Source available at: http://www.nanonymous.org
[15:02] <gladier> Licensed under the GNU GPL
[15:02] <gladier> whoops
[15:02] <gladier> sorry ..
[15:03] <vinze> Yeah and cdimage.ubuntu.com won't even load
[15:03] <scriptdevil> well.. i am not able to download rtorrent
[15:03] <scriptdevil> :-|
[15:03] <Greenery> no seeder yet
[15:03] <vinze> BitTornado? BitTorrent?
[15:03] <scriptdevil> i dont have em
[15:03] <scriptdevil> i need cmd line stuff
[15:04] <scriptdevil> i hate having to many gui sessions
[15:04] <vinze> :)
[15:04] <scriptdevil> like, i use irssi for irc chat, firefox for web-browsing(cos i cannot avoid it), mplayer for music and emacs for all the rest
[15:04] <mindframe-> server isn't available
[15:05] <mindframe-> vinze, what's different about alternate images again?
[15:05] <vinze> Yeah I noticed...
[15:05] <vinze> mindframe, that's a text-based installer
[15:05] <scriptdevil> if alone wmii was not screwed up in favour of dwm, i would use it
[15:05] <scriptdevil> mindframe-: curses based
[15:05] <mindframe-> ah
[15:06] <scriptdevil> better for systems with lower processor power and RAM
[15:06] <d1n0> which distro should i be running on my core2quad with 2gb ram etc
[15:06] <scriptdevil> well.. i386 will do well
[15:06] <scriptdevil> but technically, it is amd64
[15:07] <scriptdevil> d1n0: your config is the same as mine
[15:07] <vinze> d1n0, the one you like best :)
[15:07] <mindframe-> well assuming the server starts working, i'll seed 300GB
[15:07] <Greenery> any release note for xubuntu?
[15:07] <d1n0> i feel like, xubuntu wont give me full support for my hardware...
[15:07] <vinze> Greenery, I'll be working on them in a minute
[15:07] <scriptdevil> d1n0: why so?
[15:08] <d1n0> scriptdevil: i'm not sure
[15:08] <scriptdevil> mine is a core2duo E 6555, 4mb l2 cache, dg33fb classic intel motherboard, nvidia 7300gt and 2 gig of ram
[15:09] <scriptdevil> xubuntu i386 does well
[15:09] <scriptdevil> with a 20 second boot time and a 5 second shutdown time
[15:09] <d1n0> only reason i sticked to xubuntu was that it handled my keyboard and mouse bluetooth problems out of the box... couldnt get both to work in ubuntu...
[15:11] <vinze> Ah, people, the Xubuntu torrents work now
[15:11] <vinze> So please seed them if you can
[15:11] <vinze> (And if you don't know how to, please ask ;-)
[15:12] <d1n0> vinze: i'm seeding
[15:12] <d1n0> 400kb/s
[15:12] <vinze> Good d1n0 :)
[15:12] <d1n0> :)
[15:12] <vinze> Huh? I've already uploaded more than I've downloaded :)
[15:14] <scriptdevil> is it possible to seed without downloading in the first place, i thought of seeding, but i dont have the iso, so i will uselessly add to the server load
[15:14] <mindframe-> yes
[15:14] <scriptdevil> mindframe-: how?
[15:14] <mindframe-> download the iso to whatever directory your torrent client data directory
[15:15] <mindframe-> err
[15:15] <vinze> Well, you have to have something to upload, but you can just start the torrent and upload while downloading the iso, and then keep on running the torrent even after your download has completed
[15:15] <mindframe-> wherever your torrent client stores data
[15:15] <scriptdevil> ok. i have a slow net conn, so i will give 30kb/s to upload
[15:15] <mindframe-> it would save bandwidth if you just hop on the torrent
[15:16] <mindframe-> xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[15:16] <mindframe->              208.0 /  566.4 MB Rate: 1740.9 / 690.5 KB Uploaded:   410.0 MB [34%]  0d  0:08 [T  R: 1.97
[15:19] <d1n0> what version of xfce is xubuntu 7.10 comming with?
[15:20] <vinze> 4.4.1
[15:20] <vinze> See http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/xfce4
[15:20] <scriptdevil> :)
[15:20] <mindframe-> it's running well on my desktop and laptop so far
[15:20] <d1n0> and what version was in 7.04?
[15:20] <scriptdevil> i like it when the channel is not very crowded.. at times, #ubuntu drives me mad
[15:21] <vinze> d1n0, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/x11/xfce4
[15:21] <vinze> 4.3.99.1
[15:21] <mindframe-> vinze, so why is the alternate image larger than the desktop?
[15:22] <d1n0> so no big updates?
[15:22] <vinze> mindframe, no idea
[15:22] <vinze> d1n0, not in Xfce itself
[15:22] <d1n0> ok
[15:23] <scriptdevil> mindframe-: because .. err.. it includes the installer?
[15:23] <vinze> But a lot in Xubuntu - it'll take a while to create the release notes
[15:23] <scriptdevil> i mean ncurses and stuff
[15:23] <vinze> Ah, yes, that'll be it: the Desktop's installer is compressed
[15:23] <scriptdevil> goodbye people
[15:24] <vinze> Bye
[15:34] <Sergo> hello all
[15:34] <vinze> Hey Sergo
[15:37] <mindframe-> rtorrent does not like these files :/
[15:37] <mindframe-> it keeps dying
[15:38] <d11n0> we need utorrent for linux
[15:38] <Sergo> why on xubuntu.com the new xubuntu isn't
[15:38] <Sergo> =]
[15:38] <vinze> Because I'm still working on the release notes
[15:39] <vinze> October 18th hasn't finished yet ;-)
[15:39] <Sergo> thanks
[15:46] <mindframe-> RatThing, it's you.
[15:47] <mindframe-> vinze, tracker is down i believe
[15:47] <vinze> mindframe-, I'm still down/uploading
[15:55] <hyper_ch> mindframe-: I'm also uploading fine http://www.sjau.ch/torrent.png
[15:57] <mindframe-> i guess rtorrent was lying to me... it says can't connect to server but it's actually uploading.
[15:57] <hyper_ch> mindframe-: compiled from svn?
[15:58] <mindframe-> .0.7.8
[15:58] <hyper_ch> mindframe-: ;)
[15:58] <mindframe-> i might go back to 0.7.7 real quick
[16:00] <cjae_> anyone willing to help me setup dma on optical and hdd and hdparm.conf  since  Iam having troubles as the kernel now uses sda instead of hdc and such
[16:00] <cjae_> thought this enabled by default since edgy
[16:01] <vinze> How can I make an image a link on the Ubuntu wiki?
[16:02] <vinze> And how can I hotlink images in the first place?
[16:05] <vinze> Nevermind, I found out
[16:18] <cjae_> sudo hdparm - d1 /dev/sda does not work
[16:19] <cjae_> and if I look at hdparm.conf nothing is enabled
[16:24] <brick__> damn. that cdimage server is getting some traffic now it seems.. shitslow:P
[16:24] <vinze> Lol :)
[16:24] <vinze> I've just finished the Xubuntu download and am seeding now :)
[16:24] <brick__> smooth. im installing transmission on livecd to down it from torrents..
[16:27] <theDeul> hello folks
[16:27] <vinze> hey theDeul
[16:28] <theDeul> is anyone able to give a little help? I'm a bigtime xubunu (and linux) newb...
[16:29] <vinze> Depends what your problem is ;-)
[16:29] <theDeul> :)
[16:30] <theDeul> well, I've just gotten xubuntu 7.04 running on my intel imac, but the system doesn't seem to have recognized the wireless...
[16:30] <cjae> is dma enabled by default in xubuntu feisty?
[16:31] <vinze> theDeul, where did you look?
[16:31] <theDeul> just using the gui, no terminal, but went to the network settings
[16:32] <vinze> In System->Network I take it?
[16:32] <theDeul> modem and wired connection are shown, but no option for wireless
[16:32] <theDeul> yes
[16:32] <vinze> It could be that it is just not supported, then you could try using the Windows driver
[16:33] <theDeul> okay..
[16:33] <theDeul> where do I search for the windows driver?
[16:33] <cjae> k nobody knows
[16:34] <brick__> vinze, if im lucky. ill have it in 12 hours according to transmission:P
[16:34] <vinze> theDeul, you should have it on the CD you got with your card, and then you need a Xubuntu application to install it which I'm going to look for now
[16:34] <vinze> brick__, hmm, that's not so fast :P
[16:34] <brick__> iknow.. only 4 seeders here..
[16:35] <vinze> It says "20 seeds seen recently" for me for the Desktop CD, 10 for the Alternate
[16:35] <vinze> i386
[16:35] <brick__> wow.. jumped up to 11 now.. downloading at 90kb/s
[16:35] <vinze> :)
[16:35] <brick__> around 2 hours then if im lucky. i have the rc1, was about to install from it. but can wait a couple off hours..
[16:36] <theDeul> ah, I didn't buy the card seperately, came configured on the imac
[16:36] <brick__> do you know if there is a package selection meny during the install off 7.1 now? as to choose what packages i want and dont?
[16:36] <cjae> /dev/sda:
[16:36] <cjae>  Timing cached reads:   1436 MB in  2.00 seconds = 717.58 MB/sec
[16:36] <cjae>  Timing buffered disk reads:   56 MB in  3.07 seconds =  18.22 MB/sec
[16:36] <brick__> i hate "cleaning up" right after installing.. remove lots off stuff i never use..
[16:36] <brick__> hee
[16:36] <cjae> are these good timings
[16:36] <vinze> brick__, no there's not :(
[16:37] <brick__> hmm craps.. thats why i primely run debian. but the lenny is so unstable and etch does not work with my gfx card and compiz together:(
[16:38] <brick__> so out off the my sda with debian and in with xubuntu :P
[16:39] <brick__> vinze,  do you remmember what that "mac look" dock program is called?
[16:39] <vinze> brick__, Avant Window Navigator/awn
[16:39] <brick__> they use engage on dreamlinux that is pretty smooth. but i cantfind it anywhere
[16:40] <vinze> And Engage isn't much more than a specially configured panel to increase the icons in size when hovered I believe
[16:40] <vinze> And it works very annoying because your windows cover it
[16:40] <brick__> hmm ok. worked pretty smooth on dreamlinux livecd though.. il try awn...
[16:51] <nikolam> does open office works at you after upgrade to 7.10
[16:51] <vinze> It should
[16:52] <RAdams> it does on my ubuntu box. haven't upgraded my xubuntu box yet
[16:52] <nikolam> I got 1 question also
[16:53] <nikolam> I kind of installed java from sun site
[16:53] <RAdams> hisss
[16:53] <nikolam> beacouse azureus showed me it uses java 1.4
[16:53] <nikolam> but i have java6
[16:53] <nikolam> Now after install, azureus don`t work anymore
[16:53] <nikolam> even after I reinstalled java from 7.04 repo
[16:54] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41076/
[16:54] <brick__> you must set what java version is to be used when running java apps. dont really remmember the command though. but drop azureus:P Transmission rules:P fast, light and stable:P
[16:55] <nikolam> is Transmission multiplatform and support outgoing encryption?
[16:55] <nikolam> is transmission gpl?
[16:55] <brick__> dont think it supports outgoing encryption...
[16:55] <nikolam> Then its no use for me.
[16:56] <brick__> why? what kind off dodgy stuff are you sharing? hehe
[16:56] <nikolam> I think ony 3 open source torrent clients supports it
[16:56] <brick__> http://transmission.m0k.org/
[16:56] <RAdams> nikolam: sudo apt-get remove -y azureus sun-java6-jre && dpkg --purge azureus sun-java6-jre, then apt-get install sun-java6-jre azureus
[16:56] <larsen_> hi
[16:57] <nikolam> My ISP does not allow me to share , if i share without encryption, I am toasted..
[16:57] <nikolam> thanks RAdams
[16:57] <brick__> ahh i see. change isp then:P
[16:57] <nikolam> No all are the same. No pyrating :)
[16:57] <vinze> Hey larsen_
[16:57] <RAdams> nikolam: also, you might want to try deluge, which does support MSE/PE
[16:58] <nikolam> RAdams: Thanks Again
[16:58] <vinze> Could anyone check these release notes will I craft the news announcement? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Xubuntu
[16:58] <vinze> Thanks
[17:00] <vinze> Anyone?
[17:01] <brick__> vinze, looks fine to me..
[17:01] <vinze> Thanks brick__
[17:01] <larsen_> larsen reading...
[17:02] <brick__> vinze,  do you know how good wifi/wpa2 support on 7.1 is?
[17:02] <RAdams> radams reading... want me to login to make changes, or just paste them here/pastebin?
[17:02] <vinze> brick__, well, it should just work, either with NetworkManager or network-admin
[17:02] <vinze> RAdams, paste them I guess
[17:03] <brick__> speedtouch 121g from thomson? was bloody unstable in ubuntu. stops receiveing/sendig packages after 5 mins.. on ndis that is. no native solution as far as i know
[17:04] <vinze> brick__, no idea, you should try the LiveCD I guess, and perhaps you could use the Windows driver
[17:04] <larsen_> i see bad alinement in the games image
[17:04]  * vinze goes to look
[17:05] <vinze> Ah you're right
[17:13] <brick__> how can i check how much ram xubuntu detects ?
[17:13] <TheSheep> brick__: dmesg | less
[17:14] <brick__> hmm.. i see it detects. 3gb.. i got 4 installed. isnt there support for 4gb on 32bit systems ?
[17:14] <TheSheep> brick__: or just 'free'
[17:15] <brick__> or do i still have to go though trouble with 64bits plugins in firefox etc to get a system that supports 4gb ?
[17:16] <brick__> nevermind. livecd seems tohave reserved the last gig for some stuff..
[17:19] <larsen_> you think is possible to update with "gksudo update-manager -c -d" with just 120Mb free on hd?
[17:19] <vinze> -d is not needed
[17:19] <larsen_> sorry
[17:19] <vinze> And I don't know
[17:19] <larsen_> ok
[17:20] <TheSheep> larsen_: I'm pretty sure it'll fail
[17:20] <larsen_> :D
[17:20] <larsen_> i'm pretty sure too
[17:20] <larsen_> but i'm lazy
[17:20] <TheSheep> larsen_: if you have some spare partition, you can temporarily mount it at /var/cache/apt/packages
[17:21] <larsen_> (and curious about the update process)
[17:21] <larsen_> ah
[17:21] <TheSheep> or somethingl ike that
[17:21] <larsen_> i have a 10 gigs hd to use
[17:21] <larsen_> somewehre
[17:21] <TheSheep> then it will put the dowloaded packages there
[17:22] <TheSheep> it's /var/cache/apt/archives
[17:22]  * vinze is going to update Xubuntu.org now :)
[17:22] <larsen_> i can do it by aptitude o i have to edit apt settings file?
[17:22] <TheSheep> that site makes me feel guilty
[17:22] <larsen_> ops, synaptic
[17:22] <vinze> :P
[17:22] <larsen_> not aptitude
[17:22] <larsen_> :)
[17:23] <TheSheep> larsen_: it puts them there by default, no need to edit anything
[17:23] <vinze> http://www.xubuntu.org/news/gutsy/release
[17:23] <TheSheep> larsen_: just mount the larger partition there
[17:23] <vinze> If there's any mistakes, please tell me :)
[17:23] <larsen_> ?
[17:23] <larsen_> just mount the 2nd hd?
[17:23] <larsen_> nothing more?
[17:24] <TheSheep> larsen_: yes, at that specific directory
[17:24] <larsen_> ah ok
[17:24] <larsen_> :D
[17:24] <TheSheep> vinze: the theme shuld have been green ;)
[17:24] <vinze> Which theme?
[17:24] <larsen_> like my monocolor bg
[17:24] <TheSheep> vinze: of the site and of xubuntu, but I gues it's several years too late to change that...
[17:25] <vinze> :P
[17:25] <vinze> But Xfce's colour is also blue :)
[17:25] <vinze> And I think a lot of people would find green appalling ;-)
[17:25] <TheSheep> vinze: yeah, it should be green
[17:26] <brick__> is there a way to make the livecd continue running so i can free up my cd driver to burn out an iso ?
[17:26] <TheSheep> vinze: depends, nice, fresh, yellowish, spring green would be nice
[17:26] <TheSheep> brick__: no
[17:26] <vinze> brick__, don't think so, or you should put in on USB :P
[17:27] <brick__> hmm ok. then i just have to take my time and boot to that bloody unstable lenny install.. takes like 20-30 mins to bootup. doe to some misconfig durring upgrade from etch :(
[17:28] <brick__> vinze, putting the iso it self on usb ? that what you mean ?
[17:29] <vinze> brick__, you can run the LiveCD from a USB drive with some modifications, I use that to test Xubuntu
[17:29] <brick__> ok. and can i install from a usb driver as well ?
[17:29] <vinze> Anyway, I'm off to dinner (brick__, see pendrivelinux.com)
[17:29] <vinze> Bye
[17:30] <brick__> ok. thx bye.enjoy your meal
[17:30] <vinze> Thanks :)
[17:31] <Inspiron> I, can't download Xubuntu, maybe it is to busy the server, everybody want to download :)
[17:34] <Inspiron> if I take for 64 bit, can I find all the drivers and programs what I need, or is better to download 32 bit edition?
[17:34] <Mad_bol> hi all
[17:35] <Mad_bol> anyone hlp plz
[17:37] <Mad_bol> thanks
[17:38] <Inspiron> anybody could answer to me?
[17:52] <Ben_Cs> i have ssh installed on one of my network PCs. i can ssh to it from within the network, but when i ssh through my internet IP i don't seem to be able to connect. My DSL router has firewall but i forwarded port 22. when i scan ports from online site it says 22 is open. please help!
[17:52] <Ben_Cs> the response i get: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[17:56] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: rename the file ~/.ssh/known_hosts from the computer you are connecting from
[17:57] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: how do u meen?
[18:01] <larsen_> about mounting the 2nd hd in /var/cache/apt/archives, two questions:
[18:02] <larsen_> 1 i've just to edit fstab?
[18:02] <larsen_> 2 i have to chmod in some way /var/cache/apt/archives?
[18:03] <larsen_> (anyway, i think is better to wait - i think the servers are quite loaded...)
[18:07] <TheSheep> larsen_: no, you don't add it to fstab, you want it only mounted this once
[18:07] <TheSheep> larsen_: and no need to chmod it, since the upgrade runs as root anyways
[18:08] <larsen_> how to do it once the write way...?
[18:09] <TheSheep> larsen_: sudo mount /dev/yourpartitionwhateveritscaled /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:09] <larsen_> ok, just the mount
[18:09] <TheSheep> larsen_: better not use an ntfs partition though
[18:09] <larsen_> i have problem with the spplumentary hd
[18:10] <larsen_> i have the second hd of the pc
[18:10] <larsen_> almost full but now i free almost 2 gigs
[18:10] <larsen_> i can comment it on fstab and after reboot use it?
[18:11] <larsen_> or is better a free device
[18:11] <larsen_> ?
[18:11] <TheSheep> larsen_: you don't need to remount
[18:11] <TheSheep> leaphion: roboot
[18:11] <TheSheep> argh
[18:11] <TheSheep> leaphion: sorry
[18:11] <TheSheep> larsen_: you don't need to reboot
[18:12] <larsen_> ah
[18:12] <TheSheep> larsen_: just 'sudo umount /sev/yourotherpartition'
[18:12] <TheSheep> larsen_: and then mount it back
[18:12] <larsen_> ah ok
[18:12] <TheSheep> larsen_: you can't have any files open on that partition though
[18:12] <TheSheep> dev, not sev
[18:13] <larsen_> ok
[18:13] <larsen_> yesyes
[18:13] <hyper__ch> hiho :)
[18:13] <TheSheep> halo mr hyper__ch
[18:13] <larsen_> :)
[18:13] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: seeded over 80gb gutsy already
[18:13] <larsen_> lol
[18:14] <larsen_> no torrent for the upgrade way
[18:14] <hyper__ch> larsen_: sure
[18:14] <hyper__ch> larsen_: with the alternate you can also upgrade as I've heard
[18:14] <larsen_> ah
[18:15] <larsen_> i can find something in the wiki
[18:15] <larsen_> ?
[18:16] <hyper__ch> larsen_: it was in the ubuntuforums
[18:25] <larsen_> really hard to find
[18:27] <cellofellow> can someone help me compile some ALSA stuff?
[18:28] <TheSheep> cellofellow: why do you need to compile it?
[18:28] <MatBoy> whoho !! is it possible to upgrade on a Xubuntu system with Compiz already installed ?
[18:28] <cellofellow> cause, only way to get SigmeTel STAC9200 chipset working
[18:28] <MatBoy> I mean possible without any real big issues ?
[18:28] <cellofellow> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053
[18:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: if it involves compiling a kernel module, then I'm weak at this in debain-based systems :(
[18:29] <cellofellow> no modules.
[18:29] <cellofellow> at least, I think...
[18:29] <cellofellow> I can't really tell. This is sort of over my head.
[18:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: alsa mostly consists of kernel modules, doesn't it?
[18:30] <cellofellow> yes... I think. :P
[18:30] <cellofellow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/134351/comments/23
[18:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:30] <cellofellow> Old bug, too bad it isn't fixed.
[18:31] <TheSheep> cellofellow: ok, so instead of yumming for things, aptget for them
[18:31] <cellofellow> says to remove alsa-lib (which isn't there anyway, in Gutsy) and alsa-utils
[18:31] <cellofellow> Yeah...
[18:31] <TheSheep> cellofellow: and instead of make install at the end, use checkinstall
[18:31] <TheSheep> cellofellow: this way you will be able to uninstall it later
[18:31] <cellofellow> I think I tried checkinstall, and a file conflicted.
[18:32] <TheSheep> cellofellow: then you probably need to uninstall the package that contains that conflicting file
[18:32] <cellofellow> yeah, ok.
[18:32] <cellofellow> eeek, apt-get removing alsa-utils wants to get rid of gdm.
[18:33] <cellofellow> how do I remove alsa-utils without getting rid of the other stuff?
[18:33] <TheSheep> :/
[18:33] <cellofellow> odd that GDM is the only thing depending on it.
[18:33] <TheSheep> cellofellow: you could --force-nodeps
[18:33] <cellofellow> GDM? or alsa-utils?
[18:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: sudo dpkg  --force-nodeps remove alsa-utils
[18:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I think
[18:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: but it will make apt complain about broken deps a lot
[18:34] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it's very whiney
[18:35] <bftd> looks like the download link is down
[18:35] <cellofellow> maybe apt-src in some way will help. How does it work?
[18:37] <TheSheep> no idea
[18:45] <hyper__ch> http://www.sjau.ch/torrent.png
[19:04] <Kilroo> Ok, so having upgraded to Gutsy, my keyboard's multimedia keys no longer work. xev indicates that they are all (or at least, almost all) returning different keycodes, but all the same keysym 0x0, nosymbol. Any idea what I fouled up and how to fix it?
[19:33] <tonyyarusso> Someone care to explain how the Xubuntu desktop CD is only 566.4 MB while the alternate is 688.8 MB?  TheSheep ?
[19:34] <TheSheep> tonyyarusso: why me?
[19:34] <tonyyarusso> TheSheep: Because you talked in the last hour.
[19:34] <tonyyarusso> :P
[19:34] <TheSheep> I knew I shouldn't have
[19:47] <Kilroo> Argh...why the heck did the keysyms for my application keys disappear...
[19:48] <TheSheep> Kilroo: you killed them while sleepwalking by the full moon
[19:48] <Kilroo> Apparently.
[19:48] <Kilroo> It's quite irritating. They Just Worked before I upgraded.
[19:58] <alnokta> can someone change required to requires? in http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[19:59] <alnokta> The Alternate Install CD only required you to have 64 MB RAM.
[20:10] <NullName> DO you guys know when the server is going to speed up?
[20:10] <NullName> it stopped
[20:10] <hyper__ch> NullName: ???
[20:10] <NullName> for me
[20:10] <NullName> the ubuntu servers
[20:10] <hyper__ch> what stopped?
[20:10] <NullName> I'm upgrading xubuntu
[20:10] <NullName> the downloading
[20:11] <NullName> it got slower adn slower
[20:11] <NullName> and just stoped on file 52
[20:11] <hyper__ch> NullName: download the ISO through torrent (alternate) and use it to upgrading
[20:11] <hyper__ch> NullName: that's probably faster
[20:11] <NullName> you can upgrade without having to erase the hd?
[20:11] <NullName> and I wont I loose all my configuration?
[20:11] <alnokt0a> so any idea how to change it?
[20:11] <alnokt0a> *lose
[20:11] <hyper__ch> NullName: it has the packages
[20:12] <hyper__ch> NullName: just add again the cd as repository
[20:12] <NullName> ok. I'll check it out
[20:12] <NullName> thanks
[20:12] <NullName> I didn't know you can add the cd as a repository
[20:12] <NullName> that's pretty bitching
[20:12] <alnokt0a> and remember its lose not loose
[20:13] <NullName> I'll start the torrent and see which one wins
[20:13] <hyper__ch> NullName: the torrent ;)
[20:13] <NullName> hehe
[20:13] <hyper__ch> NullName: but you need to get the alternate
[20:13] <hyper__ch> NullName: not desktop
[20:13] <NullName> what's the alternate?
[20:13] <hyper__ch> NullName: the alternate cd is not the desktop cd ;)
[20:13] <NullName> hahah is it a server disk?
[20:14] <NullName> I didnt know there was different flavors of xubuntu
[20:14] <hyper__ch> no, it's not server
[20:14] <hyper__ch> the alternate is no live cd
[20:14] <hyper__ch> and uses a text based installer
[20:14] <NullName> oh okay.
[20:14] <NullName> sounds good.
[20:15] <NullName> thanks..I never use the live disk
[20:15] <NullName> and I'm a big fan of text based installs.
[20:15] <NullName> especially when I'm having video card issues
[20:15] <NullName> so 7.10 will support double monitors?
[20:16] <hyper__ch> NullName: give me a second one and an according video card  and I'll tell you
[20:16] <NullName> okay thanks
[20:17] <NullName> umm well I have to install another card
[20:17] <NullName> okay got it
[20:17] <NullName> it has two outputs and is an ATI d33053
[20:17] <NullName> rv 25l b3
[20:18] <NullName> I don't know which number is the model of the card
[20:18] <NullName> but that's what it says on it
[20:18] <NullName> wait , the second output is funny looking
[20:18] <NullName> so actually...id just use that as second card
[20:18] <wyrd> it'll be a DVI
[20:19] <wyrd> you can get DVI to VGA converters
[20:19] <NullName> oh sweeet
[20:19] <wyrd> your card my even have come with ont
[20:19] <NullName> well I have another card already installed
[20:19] <NullName> so couldnt I just use both?
[20:19] <wyrd> yeah, probablly
[20:19] <NullName> thanks though for the tip
[20:20] <NullName> if I have issues I will buy that convertor
[20:20] <pothead> rants about 7.10- video crashes booting from live cd. Ctrl+alt+del gets it back though, didnt happen with 7.10 beta build- dunno why since its using nv driver not nvidia  -when using nvidia i usually have to use option nvagp 1 to get restricted to work. Extra mouse buttons still don't work w/o modifying xorg.conf with option buttonmapping. other than that i like it.
[20:22] <pothead> oh ya, why does it download language packs at the end of install, seems inefficient since it deletes a bunch at the end of the install too
[20:23] <alnokt0a> TheSheep, any idea how to fix that required in http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements?
[20:24] <TheSheep> alnokt0a: fix?
[20:24] <alnokt0a> TheSheep, it says required while it seems more like requires
[20:25]  * NullName is scared because of what pothead said.
[20:26] <alnokt0a> TheSheep, you see it?
[20:26] <TheSheep> alnokt0a: yes, I'm not sure who has access to the site, I'll ping max
[20:27] <alnokt0a> TheSheep, ok thanks
[20:28] <d1n0> i lost my titlebars after installing compiz... help?
[20:29] <TheSheep> alnokt0a: fixed :)
[20:29] <TheSheep> !compix
[20:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:29] <TheSheep> !compiz
[20:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[20:29] <TheSheep> d1n0: you need an additional application to draw the borders
[20:30] <TheSheep> d1n0: because compiz doesn't do it
[20:30] <alnokt0a> TheSheep, cool :)
[20:30] <d1n0> TheSheep, im not using ati drivers or xgl...
[20:32] <pothead> i dont have to use nvagp 1 anymore sweet
[20:35] <mindframe-> does xubuntu include its own power management thingy now?
[20:36] <NullName> power management thingy?
[20:36] <NullName> lifro a laptop?
[20:36] <mindframe-> yes
[20:36] <NullName> or standby features?
[20:36] <mindframe-> standby
[20:37] <NullName> hmm not sure..let me look
[20:37] <NullName> I'm trying to get it right now
[20:37] <mindframe-> when you click on power management through screensaver settings
[20:37] <mindframe-> it has options
[20:37] <mindframe-> but i've had gnome-power-management previously
[20:38] <NullName> I was going to say..mine has standby features in 7.04
[20:38] <NullName> yea everything I'm reading is saying use gnome-power-management
[20:38] <NullName> but
[20:38] <NullName> thats for 7.04
[20:38] <NullName> I'd let you know if I had 7.10
[20:38] <NullName> in like 2 hours
[20:39] <NullName> can someone else answer this question?
[20:40] <pothead> you can add automatic standby, but it isnt default in 7.10
[20:40] <NullName> haha bummer he left
[20:43] <mindframe-> yah it still relies on gnome-power-manager
[20:44] <NullName> 12:40:01 PM) pothead: you can add automatic standby, but it isnt default in 7.10
[20:44] <mindframe-> with what?
[20:44] <mindframe-> powersaved?
[20:45] <NullName> pothead come back.
[20:50] <DUUUUUDE> yeah i like xubuntu better of all
[20:50] <DUUUUUDE> :)
[21:11] <sylverfox> hi
[21:12] <nanonyme> hmm, any guides for getting wifi-radar work with wpa using bcm43xx?
[21:13] <nanonyme> and btw, the new stable is amazing. nice going :)
[21:14] <pothead> i was trying to remove network icon, moved all icons to panel 2 then deleted panel 1, which caused panel to freeze, relogged in, and now screen is too large. i move my mouse up and the screen moves up to display extra space. whats going on?
[21:15] <pothead> its like its trying to emulate a larger screen
[21:17] <pothead> my panel is vertical
[21:20] <pothead> somehow resolution changed to a higher one, fixed by reducing it.
[21:23] <pothead> if anyone cares- settings>screens and graphics does not display correct refresh rate says 50, when its really 75
[21:26] <tonyyarusso> file a bug
[21:32] <Winn1> Hello, I have a problem after upgrading my laptop to gutsy. Xorg eats all my cpu now.
[21:33] <Winn1> Graphics is Silicon Motion Lynx3DM, which is correctly identified by xorg
[21:37] <Winn1> Xorg.0.log is filled with SMI_GEReset calls
[21:39] <TheSheep> !bugs | Winn1
[21:39] <ubotu> Winn1: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[21:43]  * hyper__ch 's seed quota for Gutsy has reached 130 GB ;)
[21:44]  * vinze wants to get his share rating above 1 :(
[21:46] <hyper__ch> vinze: mine is about 200 : 1
[21:46] <vinze> :P
[21:46] <vinze> But I haven't seeded that long yet
[21:46] <hyper__ch> currently seeding with 3.8mbyte/s
[21:47] <vinze> Nice :)
[21:48] <alnokt0a> ppl are sucking the bandwidth out of the repository ;)
[21:50] <hyper__ch> alnokt0a: ?
[21:50] <alnokt0a>  Connection failed
[21:51] <hyper__ch> alnokt0a: ?
[21:51] <alnokt0a> nvm ;)
[21:51] <alnokt0a> it must be my conn
[22:02] <R[a]ndom> alnokt0a, mine failed once too
[22:02] <R[a]ndom> then I restarted apt-get and it worked fine
[22:15] <d1n0> I'm having some problems configuring my Xfce layout
[22:15] <alnokt0a> R[a]ndom, working fine now :)
[22:15] <vinze> d1n0, what are your problems?
[22:16] <d1n0> Would like a panel at the bottom of my screen with running apps, and a panel over that one with "applications" button, shortcuts, clock, exit etc
[22:16] <vinze> What do you mean: "over that one"?
[22:16] <d1n0> above
[22:17] <d1n0> above first panel
[22:17] <d1n0> not like; one panel at the top of the screen and one at the bottom
[22:17] <vinze> OK, should be possible I guess
[22:18] <d1n0> having serious problems explaining what i mean now... getting tired.... but nice to know that it should be possible, do you know what i can do to make it work?
[22:18]  * vinze goes and tries it out
[22:19] <vinze> Well. you can't get it to snap, but you should set both panels to "freely moveable"
[22:19] <vinze> Or at least the top one
[22:19] <d1n0> i would like them to be unmoveable
[22:20] <vinze> Hmm... I don't think that's possible
[22:20] <d1n0> and fill up the screen, not stop when there are no more running aps
[22:20] <d1n0> ok
[22:20] <vinze> Sorry
[22:20] <d1n0> np
[22:22] <zombie_monkey> This is very weird. I upgraded to 7.10 a few hours ago, and now when it's also available as a CD download I thought I should see what a clean install looks like. The first thing I tried to install was Ekiga. "Ekiga softphone cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)?
[22:22] <zombie_monkey> what is this?
[22:23] <zombie_monkey> should I make a clean 7.04 install instead and avoid upgrading or will this be fixed?
[22:23] <zombie_monkey> it still works fine on the old install that was juist upgraded
[22:24] <d1n0> Anyone know how I can get my TV to work? It's connected through S-Video! Worked out-of-the-box with Ati Radeon HD2400 as a Clone, but I changed my videocard to Ati Radeon X800GT...... Anyone?  :)
[22:28] <d1n0> Anyone know how I can get my TV to work? It's connected through S-Video! Worked out-of-the-box with Ati Radeon HD2400 as a Clone, but I changed my videocard to Ati Radeon X800GT, and then there is no picture...... works fine in Windows Xp though!
[22:44] <zombie_monkey> where can I download a 7.04 CD now, btw?
[22:46] <hyper__ch> zombie_monkey: 7.04 or 7.10?
[22:46] <zombie_monkey> I knew I shouldn't just upgrade straight away...
[22:47] <zombie_monkey> 7.04
[22:47] <hyper__ch> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com --> might be there
[22:47] <zombie_monkey> maybe, but I'll have to check when it cools off :)
[22:48] <hyper__ch> or do a clean install on 7.10
[22:48] <zombie_monkey> I have botha clean 7.10 install and an upgrade of 7.04 to 7.10, from befoer the iso was available. but I want to downgrade
[22:50] <hyper__ch> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.04/
[22:50] <cheeseboy> i got this error compiling firefox http://rafb.net/p/GeP08C60.html how do i fix?
[22:52] <Pumpernickel> cheeseboy: https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/sorcerer-admins/2007/000267.html
[22:54] <cheeseboy> so all i need is --disable-pango
[22:54] <hyper__ch> huhu Pumpernickel
[22:55] <Pumpernickel> moin hyper__ch
[22:55]  * hyper__ch is heavily seeding ;)
[23:01] <cheeseboy> Pumpernickel do i need to restart the whole compile?
[23:01] <Pumpernickel> I'm not familiar with the moz build process.
[23:01] <Pumpernickel> Sorry.
[23:02] <cheeseboy> :(
[23:20] <homebrewcider> hey guys, if I check the repositories in synaptic it says feisty but when i run update manager it doesn't say anything about gutsy being available, can I upgrade to gutsy/
[23:21] <hyper__ch> homebrewcider: update-manager -D
[23:22] <zombie_monkey> oh, ekiga fixed their stuff
[23:22] <zombie_monkey> I guess I won't have to downgrade
[23:27] <homebrewcider> update manager application?
[23:29] <homebrewcider> updae manager says system up to date
[23:34] <cjae> where may I find plextor firmware to let me take full control of my drive 716a?