[00:48] Anyone here knows good and light ides/editors for writing C code? [01:11] does geany do what you want? [01:14] Yes it does [01:14] I just installed it [01:14] And it seemed to be what I need [01:19] mokok: good stuff [01:20] it's off the xfce recommended apps list [01:20] that list has a bunch of decent lightweight software [01:21] http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps [01:23] Thanks [01:24] I added that link to my bookmarks :) === varka_ is now known as varka [02:16] anyone in here? [02:19] yes [02:20] could you help me with something? [02:20] i want to install xubuntu but it doesn't seem to install for me.. after loading it just goes to a black screen [02:20] maybe my computer can't handle it; it's an 800 mHz 160 MB RAM computer [02:21] are you using the desktop image, the text-based installer (alternate) image, or the server image? [02:22] are you asking how i installed it [02:22] or which installation i used [02:22] xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386 btw [02:23] that's the desktop image, which requires more RAM than you have to run reasonably [02:23] I recommend you attempt to install using the alternate image [02:25] ok [02:25] thanks === Sr|Raven is now known as SrRaven === rob is now known as robii === robii is now known as rob [04:49] is gutsy out now in most of the world? [04:52] prak: See #ubuntu-release-party (no) [04:54] tonyyarusso: would it be released at the same time for the entire world? [04:54] prak: yes. [05:28] does thunar have inherent samba capabilites like nautilus? [06:08] Hi there [06:09] I'm having some issues with 7.10 [06:09] Here's the deal though...If i try to go to google.com in FF, it doesn't work. If i ping www.google.com first from a terminal, then go to google in FF, it works [08:18] I'm in the process of downloading Xubuntu. I've got a p2 350mhz with 128mb of ram, do you think I'll have trouble running it? [08:19] I'm running DSL at the moment and am...rather unimpressed, mainly with its package management, which doesn't seem too work very often. [08:22] Warpnow: should be fine I think. [08:22] Warpnow: I used to run it on a computer like that [08:22] and it worked fine [08:22] just don't do anything "fancy" :) [08:23] Cool, thanks for the help. I'm really looking forward to it. Xubuntu looks much nicer than most of the other low-resource distros I've tried. [08:23] Warpnow: you can always try elbuntu or ebuntu or somehting [08:23] with enlightenment [08:23] it's prettu light too [08:24] but you will lose some functionality compared to xubuntu (xfce) [08:24] I'm relatively new to linux as well, been using it about a year, are the skins on places llikee xfce-look.org resource intensive, or are they just image replacements, or some of both? [08:24] okay, where do i find 7.10 [08:24] i guess just replacements that won't take much more resources [08:25] jimmyww: jfgi ;) [08:25] its in the room topic, jimmy [08:25] thx' [08:25] so there is no 7.10 [08:25] with stable [08:26] no, but should be out today [08:26] so i should wait [08:26] just wait a few hours [08:26] if you want the stable release yes [08:26] RCs tend to be pretty stable from my experience, but I don't know specifically about this one [08:26] but it will be more or less the same as the RC [08:26] because along with ubuntu its not out yet [08:26] ? [08:27] generally an RC is very near complete but they're just putting it through a last test [08:27] okay [08:27] now one more question [08:27] the machine i want to put linux on is 1ghz and 256mb [08:28] should i go for xubuntu [08:28] or ubuntu [08:28] renembering that im new to linux [08:28] ? [08:28] hrm, does 7.10 xubuntu have compiz like 7.`0 Ubuntu does (I hear, haven't actually tried 7.10...)? [08:28] ubuntu will be ok [08:28] pixilarion, what do u mean [08:28] jimmyww: it has more features than xubuntu so you should try that one first [08:29] he means you have the power to run either [08:29] thx [08:29] Warpnow: compiz is not installed by default [08:29] Warpnow: but you can always add it by installing [08:29] what is the minium specs for both [08:30] 256mb vs 128mb according to the official site, but I heard xubuntu runs on 64 decently [08:30] and on my 1ghz 256mb machine, will ubuntu work at a reasonable speed [08:31] because that is what im fearing [08:31] *is not [08:31] Its more about the programs you run. It should run fine, but don't try to run all the apps it comes with at the same time. Xubuntu will come with lighter apps which make it harder to use your RAM. [08:31] and thats why im thinking about xubuntu because i hear it runs faster [08:32] Your machine will run Ubuntu fine, as it only uses less than 100mb to boot (I think, don't quote me, but its close) [08:32] okay thx [08:32] Its just that if you load Ubuntu, Blender, OOo, Firefox, ect, at the same time.. [08:32] your ram may limit you, whereas xubuntu includes programs where that's less less likely [08:33] ill probably try both [08:33] so what time do we expect a release? [08:33] anytime this day i guess [08:34] Are you moving from Windows or Mac? [08:34] im on a mac now [08:34] and i like it [08:35] but i want to replace my windows machine that runs slow with linux [08:35] ah, yeah, I've heard Mac users tend to like Ubuntu and Windows users find Kubuntu more immediately pleasing, but once you've been using it for a few days, it doesn't matter much. [08:35] i definitly dont want to give up my mac [08:36] but im happy to give up my winblows machine [08:36] anyway [08:36] You can put Ubuntu on your mac :-p [08:36] yes, but i still want to use mac os x as my main os [08:37] I use macs for video editting. Mac OSX runs circles around the older version of the Mac OS [08:37] yes [08:37] there are programs on my mac that i also love [08:38] I used to despise using Macs, but now I kinda wish they had gone the full way and just made it linux-like BSD distro for all machines [08:38] for example there is quicksilver - quicksilver.blacktree.com [08:38] i cant live with out that [08:38] warpnow, what do u mean [08:39] oh well [08:39] haha, my live DSL didn't like that blacktree site [08:39] for some reason the browser just froze [08:40] the website is having trouble lately [08:40] someone hacked in to it and spammed it, i think [08:40] opera doesn't seem to play nice with DSL, either, but I couldn't get Firefox 2 or Konqueror to work at all [08:41] My main pc caught on fire- literally, my motherboard had flames coming from it [08:41] wow [08:41] so I scrapped together an old Pentium 2 motherboard with a 128mb of ram I found an old HD from years ago [08:41] wikipedia has a bit on quicksilver- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_%28software%29 [08:42] and am running the OS from the HD while I download Xubuntu to the HD to install, heh. [08:42] though it doesn't explain how amazing it is [08:42] wikipedia is like the greatest site ever [08:42] I remember when only geeks knew about it... [08:42] i dont, im only 15 [08:43] I'm 17, 18 in 2 weeks :D [08:43] cool [08:43] what is your main os now? [08:44] Generally Ubuntu, I still run XP on my laptop because its not so easy to get linux running on it, though. [08:44] yes, the reason y i waiting for 7.10 is that when i run the live cd [08:45] i get a buffer error i/o on logical bored f... [08:45] or something like that [08:45] and no one can help me with it [08:45] yeah, I'm still pretty newbish, I spend more times asking questions on the forum than anything, haha [08:46] the people on the forum are friendly as hell, though [08:46] not like digg [08:46] alot of the people on digg just aren't very bright. Its become too popular. [08:48] yes, many of the people like to criticize others rather that discuss the topic [08:59] .. [09:17] hurry up, please [09:45] hello all. I have added a network (pci) card into my system. I am using feisty. the network card is rtl8139c how do i add this? (i have restarted my computer but i do not see an eth1 in the network-admin). thanks for the help. [10:02] ya [10:02] y [10:27] hi [10:28] hi [10:28] does anyone know if conkey works on xubuntu [10:29] when comes the7.10 final xubuntu? i need one desktop disk an thinking about to load the 7.04 [10:30] damnit, got k/b for yelling at a bot at #ubuntu-release-party :/ === dino_ is now known as d1n0 [11:19] Hi, Im trying to get my wireless network working. Its WPA encrypted wich i assume isnt configureable by default since there's just a wep option. What do I need to be able to configure it? [11:21] !wifi | rijo [11:21] rijo: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [11:21] rijo: and look for 'wpa supplicant' [11:21] oki [11:38] topic [11:38] woops [11:39] Does anyone know if 7.10 is ontime? [11:39] yeah the regular ubuntu images are up [11:39] but not offficially released yet [11:39] havent seen any xubuntu images [11:42] xubuntu seems to be up at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [11:42] rumors say that this isn't final, but i'm dling anyway ~_~ [11:44] ah [11:56] sadizm, yeah, I'm pretty sure theyre wrong [11:56] as it isnt labelled RC or anything [11:56] and they arent about to just randomly update ISOs that were just uploaded [11:59] got a point [11:59] everyone on the forum's wondering why they don't "officially" release it yet [12:00] some people are complaining that it's practically Oct19 in their time zomes XD [12:00] *zones [12:02] lol [12:02] 1kb sec [12:02] must be busy [12:03] the torrent's faster :) [12:05] ya i was just thinking maybe i should install a torrent client === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso [12:44] hey guys ... you currently have a RC .. whens the full blown thing going ot be done? [12:45] for 7.10 [12:45] where do i download 7.10 can u post a link [12:46] <_agn_> is 7.10 out yet ? [12:47] yea [12:48] ubuntu .. not xubuntu [12:48] www.ubuntu.com ;) [12:48] gladier, where is the xubuntu torrent [12:48] there is no xubuntu 7.10 yet afaik [12:48] is it here [12:48] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [12:51] thanks for the link jimmyww [12:51] so is it out? [12:52] yaha [12:53] <_agn_> whats the diffe between desktop and alternate / [12:53] desktop is a livecd [12:53] <_agn_> i see [12:53] <_agn_> thanx [12:53] alternate is for low memory machiens with a FB install [12:53] <_agn_> ok [12:53] fb = framebuffer [12:54] is there a enough people for the torrent? [12:54] <_agn_> so it won;t make much diff for a system with 1gb ram [12:54] no it just means its an alternate install .. end product is the same [12:54] <_agn_> k [12:54] eg.. my laptop with 192mb ram [12:55] is the torrent seeded [12:55] <_agn_> doh, torrent says it couldn't connect to server [12:56] im not sure if it is ment to be download now [12:57] might not be released [12:58] i think you right [12:58] nope [12:58] its been released [12:58] <_agn_> yeah [12:58] xubuntu site ust hasnt been updated [12:58] confirmed by a dev [12:59] damm [12:59] ?? [13:00] so can we download it or not [13:02] <_agn_> yes, torrent is working now [13:02] <_agn_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [13:02] lol [13:02] all of the xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu trackers are bieng DDOS'd [13:02] <_agn_> fsck [13:03] doss'd? [13:03] <_agn_> i see the irc channels being flodded with bots [13:03] <_agn_> damn, torrent stopepd [13:03] <_agn_> seems like the tracker went down again [13:03] <_agn_> jimmyww: just DDoS's [13:03] <_agn_> *DDoS'd [13:04] what does it mean [13:04] think about how many people are currently downloading? [13:04] me [13:04] <_agn_> gladier: yeah [13:04] <_agn_> jimmyww: distribuetd denial of service [13:04] i know at least 50 people who are dedicating 4mb uplinks to seeding the torrent [13:04] <_agn_> *distributed [13:04] okay [13:04] aka .. too many people trying to conenct at once [13:04] <_agn_> gladier: wow [13:04] <_agn_> prollt [13:04] yeah [13:04] <_agn_> *prolly [13:04] <_agn_> arrrrgh [13:05] why wont it work then [13:05] mines picking up now [13:05] <_agn_> uploading faster than its downloading [13:05] <_agn_> crap [13:06] downloading from 4 of 40 peers [13:06] this is slower then the direct download [13:06] oh btw _agn_ /... thats the ubuntu torrent [13:07] <_agn_> which one ? [13:07] <_agn_> damn its dead again [13:07] std i386 and alt i386 [13:07] as theyre going to be the heaviest hit [13:08] <_agn_> you mean the link i posted ? [13:08] in the ubuntu torrent for those seeders [13:08] i think i might try again tomorror [13:08] <_agn_> the 4mb pipes [13:08] <_agn_> ? [13:08] yea [13:08] <_agn_> k [13:08] sorry .. i try to be clear [13:08] <_agn_> xbuntu is crawling [13:08] but i have so much stuff going on at once atm [13:09] <_agn_> gladier: :) [13:09] gfs who want to talk .. friends who have gf trouble ... clients who want midnight support [13:09] Hello [13:09] is the xubuntu final out yet? [13:09] it appears so :P === Pumpernickel changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Gutsy (NEW STABLE): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [13:10] have link where i can grab maybe? Im coming up to list that says oct 11 near each download [13:10] lol ... pumpernickel .. you beat me to asking you to do it [13:10] oct 11th dosnt seem right for final === Pumpernickel changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Gutsy (NEW STABLE): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [13:10] <_agn_> much better [13:10] yes [13:10] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ [13:10] much thanks pumpernickel [13:11] <_agn_> torrent is picking up [13:12] i dont think so [13:12] <_agn_> it is, for me [13:12] <_agn_> although a bit slow === Pumpernickel changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Gutsy (NEW STABLE): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ (or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/ for PPC/P [13:13] gah === Pumpernickel changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Gutsy (NEW STABLE): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ (or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/ for PPC/PS3/IA64) [13:14] That should do it. [13:14] <_agn_> :) [13:14] geting there [13:15] how far thru the download are you guys [13:15] me, 6 mbs [13:15] 1.5% [13:16] 8 days remaining [13:16] <_agn_> just 5.7mb here :( [13:16] :| [13:16] im giving up [13:16] it is 10 o clock here in australia [13:16] so i think its bed time [13:17] got school work 2morrow anyway [13:17] cya [13:17] have fun with your new distro [13:17] <_agn_> cya [13:17] lol [13:17] jimmyww where in aus? [13:17] bah [13:17] <_agn_> late [13:18] <_agn_> fsck, i uploaded 7.2mb and wonloaded 6.3 [13:18] <_agn_> wtf [13:18] <_agn_> *downloaded [13:22] how does one cycle through the windows/programs open by the keyboard in win I think it was ctrl-tab? [13:23] in windows is alttab [13:26] right thanks [13:26] * gladier questions your right to be in this channel [13:27] :P [13:27] 0_o [13:27] my screen was frozen thats why I was having problems [13:27] its out yes? [13:27] hai [13:27] Does the alternate Xbuntu also have the drive encryption [13:27] d1n0: yup :) [13:27] ... ng [13:27] nfi* [13:28] btw... anyone know of a howto LTSP with xubuntu? [13:28] hmm url? [13:28] ah neverMIND [13:28] ;) [13:28] was looking at the wrong place.... xubuntu.com... but all i need is here [13:30] so xubuntu gutsy has drive encryption as well on alternate [13:30] just to be clear 100% [13:30] only alternate right? [13:30] Does anyone know a solution to faster dvd burning? I am trying to backup xubuntu and dvd burn speeds are terrible. [13:31] Will using a non generic kernel help my situation? Recompile [13:31] get an external hdd [13:32] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/ wont work.. [13:32] probably overloaded.... any others? torrents? [13:32] The servers are being hammered right now. Please be patient. [13:33] yes thought of this but why is dvd burning such an issue, reading launchpad and other sites and many are having issues [13:33] gladier, [13:34] Does anyone know if xubuntu alternate supports the encryption to partitions like ubuntu [13:34] gladier, and I have not known there to be such a long standing issue in linux except for multimedia playback and that was due to laws [13:35] yeah [13:35] my dl just stopped :S [13:35] 7.10 is out even not announced yet. [13:36] woot it resumed :) thanks guys! [13:38] krull: torrent? [13:38] Hi [13:38] What torrent should I use [13:38] i will download with http then share it with torrent [13:39] d1n0: nope from cdimage [13:39] im at 41% [13:39] its just being hammered [13:40] I'll share it with BT as soon as I am done dling... [13:42] guys, if i only have a terminal, and no gui, is it still possible to launch a browser, AND, does anybody knw what browser would be installed in fluxbuntu? [13:43] cjae_ - packet writing is still a new thing for linux [13:44] krull: cool [13:45] I think that fluxbuntu documentation reveales that [13:45] gladier, when just burning random files to dvd, why is it faster to have then all in folders/directories than on their own? [13:46] meaning that the burn goes smoother and faster [13:46] I use seamonkey/iceape beacouse i think i use less ram for mail, newsgroups and browsing then with thunderbird/firefox [13:46] No confirming for me here... Noone knows if Xubuntu alternate has encryption option like new Ubuntu alt? [13:46] But there are some lightweight browsers [13:46] where are the torrents? I've finished dling x/ubuntu 7.10 isos and I'd like to share em via BT [13:47] torrents are at link location in topic [13:47] thanks [13:50] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [13:50] misfitpierce: Hey, but what torrent to use? Every mirror have different torrent? [13:50] thanks d1n0... already sharing :) [13:50] good, cause im downloading :) [13:50] go to link in topic nikolam [13:51] only 1 torrent for each diff type [13:51] Ok, I will use that 10x [13:51] Bu I will look for amd64 one alternate [13:51] so noone knows if xubuntu alt carries encryption option like ubuntu gutsy has now on alt? [13:52] cant find info anywhere [13:53] I think 7.10 is not announced yet on xibinti.org Therefore, You should wait a bit [13:53] xubuntu.org [13:53] nikolam: this channel is official [13:53] But I am running 7.04 amd64 xubuntu and I got message that i can upgrade. [13:54] you can, or cant? [13:54] That I can but I want just yet [13:54] he got message to upgrade and link in topic says its out [13:54] it is out [13:55] I got button on upgrade manager to upgrade. [13:55] Ok :) [13:55] nikolam i was speaking to a dev a little while ago [13:55] he said its official [13:55] Ok :) [13:55] why do you guys use xubuntu? why not ubuntu/kubuntu? [13:56] xubuntu uses less resources, xfce is cool [13:57] what computers specs? [13:57] xubuntu can run on older computers and is faster on new ones [13:57] im looking into using xubuntu on some lowend pcs [13:57] also on LTSP setup [13:57] xubuntu is great choice for older pc [13:57] i run it on core2quad q6600 with 2gb ram, should i rather use ubuntu/kubuntu? [13:58] Maybe, [13:58] But I strongli dislike bloated env. of gnome/kde since I get used to xfce [13:58] bloated? [13:59] I also have 2 gigs now but I worked with 7.04 with no problems on 384Mb on p3. i think it is powerfull. [14:00] d1n0: Maybe I used wrong expression, sorry [14:00] does anyone know yet if dvd burning under gutsy is any better? [14:00] I like xfce much more beacouse i can make it look how i want [14:00] nikolam: ok [14:01] do you use compiz fusion? [14:01] why, dvd burning worked great before.. [14:01] Im downloading xubuntu gutsy alt but want to know if it supports encryption like ubuntu alt... Anyone know yet thats awake? lol [14:01] nikolam, can't get any good speeds out of my burner [14:02] i dont use it yes but will test it on 7.10 I tried compiz on 7.04 but haven`t find it useful, Picture is a little bit blurry with 3D (Amd690G integrated graphics, fglrx(\) [14:03] cjae_: Try to use k3b is supposed to be the best Open source linux burning application [14:03] I am using that [14:03] Hm, maybe your DVD is on PATA and working in PIO mode [14:03] Chech Bios settings and make it work as only device-maste. [14:03] master [14:05] probably a stupid question BUT my box is running xubuntu fiesty, will a dist-upgrade upgrade it to gutsy gibbon? sorry if this is a ridiculous question [14:05] I cant seem to get use to KDE's UI... damn MS influence :S [14:05] i find gnome easier and faster [14:05] homebrewcider: In your place I would use Update manager application to upgrade [14:06] that will do what I asked? [14:06] gladier: Reely? everyone is saying that xfce is much more lightweight and faster [14:06] gnome seems more win32user friendly [14:06] but xfce is lighter than gnome [14:06] yea [14:06] sorry [14:06] xfce is lighter [14:06] its been a long day [14:07] I just dont like default ubuntu theme. on gnome it is so.. brown ahh. [14:07] up since 6 .. is now 11 [14:07] lol i use the studioubuntu theme [14:07] I couldn't run 710 ubuntu on a p3 with 512 ram [14:07] and xubuntu booted nicely [14:07] wth [14:07] ... [14:07] 512 mb ram is tonens [14:07] krull: Qool :) [14:07] i have had it on a p3 500mhz 192 [14:07] just wasnt sp33dy enough [14:08] I worked quite nice with xubuntu on P3-733/384Mb RAm [14:08] yeah its weird really [14:08] It used to use just about 80-90 mb after boot [14:08] nikolam, the update manager will do what i originally asked? [14:09] homebrewcider: It have button: Update to 7.10, so YES :) [14:09] ok [14:09] thanx [14:09] is 1:2 ratio with ram/swap still applicable with xbuntu? [14:09] ie: 512ram/1024swap [14:10] krull: That is general question for linux, I think I still use x2 swap [14:10] HDD is also a premium here... :D [14:10] lol i use 2gbram no swap [14:10] I really got old systems... p3/p2s with 2GB hdds even! :D [14:11] there's one with 512MB HDD! :D [14:11] bless... [14:11] krull: Maybe you could set up 2 hdd/s as a software raid. raid0 or 1 for sstem, raid1 for data and raid0 for swap :) [14:11] heheh nice one nikolam :) I might try that [14:11] I think you need 2gigs of HDD space for full install [14:12] no! dl stopped at 99%!!! [14:13] phew [14:13] its trickling :) [14:13] the servers are taking a beating! [14:13] finished from cdimage! thanks! [14:14] I got BT sharing them now ;) [14:15]