[00:00] jeffwheeler: yes [00:00] jeffwheeler: install edubuntu-desktop [00:01] gnomefreak: okay; I'm not running Ubuntu at the moment, but I was considering edubuntu at school for the LTSP simplicity [00:02] jeffwheeler: edubuntu should be fine to install than it still uses gnome and has most of gnome apps [00:02] not sure if it installs all i havent installed from edubuntu cd in a while === cmonkey is now known as nrp === jack_wyt_ is now known as jack_wyt [03:41] I can't seem to get LTSP to work, do i have to set some sort of default ip addresses or something? [03:45] anyone? [03:46] Ziroday: how is it not working? [03:48] when booting the client i get a "media check failed" error [03:48] however i was using the same cable, and ports before and it was woeking fine [03:48] s/woeking/working [03:50] you certain you are booting to the network and not a cd or harddrive? [03:50] Yes [03:50] network is first in boot list [03:50] i mean order [03:51] there is also no lights on the ethernet port?, is that normal [03:55] Burgundavia: ? [03:59] Ziroday: no lights means no connect [04:00] connection, rather [04:00] try a different cable [04:02] Need help with LTSP on my client keeps saying Media check failed [04:03] Ziroday: hey, did you try a different cable? [04:04] trying that now [04:05] well now it says no boot offers were recieved [04:05] :( [04:05] hmm [04:06] is there a green light on the NIC on the client? [04:06] is there a green light on the NIC on the client? [04:06] yea [04:06] what about the server? [04:07] same [04:07] have you ever booted a client off this server befgore?\ [04:07] yes [04:07] do you have a booted client on it right now? [04:07] should the ip static or dhcp? [04:07] not booted but waiting [04:07] the NIC on the server connected to the clients should be static [04:07] has PXE [04:08] the client should be dhcp [04:08] What should the IP adresses of the server be? [04:08] whatever you want [04:08] ok [04:09] you need the dhcp lease range in the same subnet as the server [04:09] but if you have successfully booted something off this server before [04:09] ok [04:09] what has changed? [04:09] It broke on a plane [04:09] is this a new client or a new network? [04:09] what broke? [04:09] new client, new network and the Raid [04:10] we fixed the raid already [04:10] ok [04:10] do you have a crossover cable or a laptop [04:10] ? [04:10] crossover cable? [04:11] no its just a direct linik currently from the server to the client [04:11] ahh [04:11] for that you need a crossover cable [04:11] did you buy this cable? [04:12] no but its working fine before with a ethernet cable and a switch [04:12] right [04:12] in order to connect two computers together, you need a special cable [04:12] where the in goes to the out and the out to the in, basically [04:12] if you don't have one of those, you are going to need a switch [04:13] If I put it though a switch to i still need the cable? [04:13] ah right soory [04:13] *sorry [04:13] okay I'll wire it through the switch now [04:13] rocking, that should get you up and running [04:13] ok [04:13] ill try it brb === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco [04:15] nope [04:16] same error "No DHCP or BOOTP recieved" [04:17] :( [04:18] grr internet keeps dropping [04:18] sorry Burgundivia === ubuntusucks is now known as elkkubuntu === elkkubuntu is now known as myrttiubuntu [07:08] any known problems with new 7.10? [07:09] es, see the release note :) [07:09] *notes [07:12] tx kgoetz === myrttiubuntu is now known as ubuntunonaked === ubuntunonaked is now known as ubuntunonakedgir === ubuntunonakedgir is now known as ubuntuhowfix === ubuntuhowfix is now known as howfixhowfixhowf === howfixhowfixhowf is now known as howfixbadubuntu === howfixbadubuntu is now known as ubuntushit === ubuntushit is now known as ubuntuopshit === ubuntuopshit is now known as ubuntuisshit === ubuntuisshit is now known as ubuntus === ogra__ is now known as ogra [11:39] hi. if I would like to install some educational applications from the CD (i.e., without an active internet connection), how can I go about doing this? [11:46] use the addon CD [11:48] ogra, could you please explain that? [11:48] the edu apps are on the addon CD ... http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/gutsy/ [11:49] if oyu pop that into an installed edubuntu system it will offer you to install edu apps [11:49] thabks [15:10] Morning all [15:35] Heya [15:48] Hello -- How do I join the team efforts? [15:55] Well! You've come to the right place. [15:55] What would you like to/can do? [15:58] I am a bit of a meet and greet kind of guy, and I have been talking with a good number of educators lately. I realized I was recreating a lot of efforts of the Edubuntu team. [15:59] I was chatting with someone in #ubuntu-marketing the other day who was able to provide me with lots of success stories of Ubuntu in education, but I thought maybe I could work with your team directly. [16:02] I joined the Edubuntu Advocacy team the other day. [16:02] RichEd...you in here? [16:02] Any other recommendations? [16:10] dtrask: i am now :) [16:10] hi desertc ... we'd be glad for you to help [16:11] the best place to start getting involved is to attend one of our edubuntu meetings on wednesdays [16:11] Are there email mailing lists or other signups that you would recommend? [16:11] we meet in #ubuntu-meeting : alternating between 12h00 UTC and 20h00 UTC [16:12] Okay, I can try to fit in a Wednesday meeting, although I'm busy running a LUG one week a month on the last Wednesday each month. [16:12] mailing lists are at: lists.ubuntu.com [16:12] what time zone are you in ? [16:12] Central/US [16:13] so the alternating time is to accomodate the global spread of people ... you can attend when you are awake and have free time [16:14] Sounds good. I've marked it on my calender. [16:14] unfortunately the fridge schedule is a bit out of sorts at the moment, but event times are usually found here: [16:14] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event [16:15] So next week will be at 12h or 20h ? [16:15] this past week was the 12h00 UTC one ... next week is 20h00 UTC [16:15] mail lists: [16:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [16:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users [16:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-education [16:16] you can find most of the info above at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users [16:16] oops .... [16:16] you can find most of the info above at: http://www.edubuntu.org/Community [16:16] Hey RichEd! [16:16] u see my email? [16:16] Thanks for your help, RichEd. [16:16] b.t.w I am the education programme manager for canonical [16:17] and ogra is the lead developer for education also a canonical employee [16:17] the rest of the people here are volunteers / users etc. [16:17] i'd suggest you also chat to dtrask ... he is also stateside [16:17] yep I am [16:17] he is an edubuntu legend for inspiration and enthusiasm [16:18] :) [16:18] desertc: where are you? [16:18] * dtrask head swells and pops [16:18] ;-) [16:18] * RichEd can hear the ping sound all the way from South Africa [16:18] Nashville, Tennessee. We just had a Technology and Education conference here. [16:19] I'm in class while my students are diligently typing away in KTouch [16:19] cool [16:19] I'm in Maine [16:19] desertc: pop me an email at richard@ubuntu.com [16:19] land of Linux [16:19] or join the lists and send out a hi and an intro [16:19] I took the time to go there and talk with a number of educators and facilitators, but I did not have much material to bring with me. Felt a bit unprepared. [16:19] * dtrask seriously thinks we should change our state slogan [16:20] dtrask: what is the slogan at present / [16:20] RichEd: you get my email about details on visiting our school? [16:20] RichEd: "Vacationland" [16:20] dtrask: when was it sent ? [16:21] RichEd: right after your last one to me...and I resent this a.m. [16:21] dtrask: could be worse :) but does not give you due credit for any hard work does it ? [16:21] your response to my idea about roping in the kids ? [16:21] RichEd: LOL! [16:21] RichEd: yes [16:21] and was it a real mail or a facebook one ? [16:22] dtrask: got it and already read it the other day right after you responded [16:22] RichEd: real....and some details about travelling here and all [16:22] RichEd: oh...OK....thoughts? [16:22] we can set up an informal spec at UDS to toss around ideas and a formal management / mentor framework [16:23] RichEd: I'm trying to plan some things out here for a potential visit [16:23] RichEd: up to you of course [16:23] i'd suggest that the people who are keen to visit hire a car, and pop in for the day ? [16:24] RichEd, Also - I have been working on a new project that I thought you might be relevant to have aligned with the Edubuntu teams. Would you like to hear about it? [16:24] RichEd: Sure....anyone have an int'l drivers license? [16:24] RichEd: yes! Tell me! [16:24] yep ... but i have to be out of here in 5 mins ... end of work day, end of week ... gotta function with my wife's work [16:24] * dtrask waits on edge of seat [16:24] can you mail me ? [16:25] Sure can. [16:25] you can even just chat to dtrask about it, and then just cut & paste the conversation [16:25] and mail that ? [16:25] <^Migs^> what's on the Server Classroom Add-On CD? [16:25] <^Migs^> is there a list anywhere? [16:25] Actually I'm in the same boat...class ends in 5 mins [16:25] ^Migs^: it's the bulk of the apps you to go onto the server [16:26] mail me at dtrask@vcsvikings.org [16:26] <^Migs^> oh wait, never mind [16:26] <^Migs^> just found it. Silly me. [16:26] dtrask: not sure about the international driver's licence ... but i am sure we'll have a local who can drive [16:27] desertc: note also re. meetings that we are about to go into UDS and then the company meeting [16:27] so next week there is an edubuntu meeting and then prolly a break for 2 weeks [16:27] Oh, I see. [16:27] see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston [16:28] Well, catch up with you all when you get back. I'll be interested in what you think of my team idea, that I'm sending by email. [16:28] most of the key folk will be there and tied up [16:28] will check it out ... try to make the meeting next week if you can [16:28] pop in here 15 mins before the time ... and then we announce the meeting and channel [16:29] dtrask: can you guess what earthshattering event happens tomorrow that has me very excited ? [16:30] World Cup? [16:30] the rugby world cup final ... South Africa (that's me) vs England ... [16:33] right i am wrapping up and will be off ... [16:33] have a good friday (not in the nail people to a tree way) and a great weekend [16:35] <^Migs^> is LTSP on regular Ubuntu, or is that just Edubuntu? [16:36] ^Migs^: bundled on the edubuntu CD and easy install [16:36] but in reality it's a package that can be pulled down and installed into any *buntu [16:36] <^Migs^> well, ok [16:37] <^Migs^> you're right, thanks [16:37] <^Migs^> I know Edubuntu at least has the GUI Thin Client Manager and all [16:37] <^Migs^> why LTSP and not K12LTSP? [16:38] 'cause k12ltsp is a fedor implementation [16:38] fedora [16:38] <^Migs^> ah, okay [16:38] LTSP is the generic [16:38] <^Migs^> didn't realize that [16:38] you can find the creators in #ltsp [16:38] <^Migs^> thx [16:38] *buntu is in sunc with the latest ltsp ... thanks to sbalneav and ogra [16:38] *sync [16:39] the other main man is jammyq .... but he does not lurk in this channel ... just the #ltsp one [16:39] * RichEd disappears in a tear in the fabric of reality [16:39] RichEd: Enjoy the game! If Boston wins the next 2 games...we'll be in the grips of the World Series during UDS [16:40] great ... someting to watch while we quaff in the bar(s) [16:40] RichEd: Amen....world famous bar just outside the ballpark called the Cask 'n Flagon [16:41] RichEd: Ever see the TV show Cheers? [16:41] RichEd: set in Boston...there's a bar that it's modeled after [16:42] RichEd: Well...it's time for lunch here in the EDT time zone...so I'm off....catch you later. have fun with the World Cup match! :-) [17:04] I could use some one page product slicks to give to people about Edubutu [18:07] <^Migs^> has anyone come across any FOSS anti plagiarism software? [18:07] <^Migs^> similar to TurnItIn? [19:31] heya highvoltage [19:31] hi bluekuja [19:31] heya LaserJock_ :) [19:31] how are you jordan? [19:31] pretty good [19:32] I'm at my grandfather's house with my parents [19:32] and I got a new Ruby book [19:32] oh :D [19:32] hey bluekuja and Laserz [19:32] are you a Ruby fanatic? [19:32] highvoltage, heya jon :) [19:33] highvoltage, I've just updated italian website gutsy links and I was wondering about the localised translation of edubuntu website...any news for it? [19:34] bluekuja: I've never done anything in ruby [19:34] I'm just looking into it [19:34] great, so you gonna start a new language [19:34] I was at the book store yesterday and there were pretty much more Ruby books than any other language [19:35] LaserJock_: I promised myself to get a python book, but I alwais forget to buy one :/ [19:35] I bought the Python Cookbook [19:35] it's ok [19:35] I gotta get better at C++ too [19:35] but I can get lots of C++ books at the uni library [19:35] LaserJock_: which language do you prefer? [19:36] bash ;-) [19:36] :D [19:36] honestly at this point I'm most productive with Python [19:36] but yeah, I like bash as well [19:37] LaserJock_: some news from packaging-guide side? [19:37] I see no more mails on the ML [19:37] is it stoned? [19:37] there was a book I almost got that was a "Ruby for sysadmins" book [19:37] bluekuja: dholbach is working on it in the wiki [19:37] it's moving ahead [19:38] we're gonna get the existing wiki packaging docs merged in [19:38] bluekuja: I'd actually want to look at that tonight / tomorrow morning [19:38] and then see how to best proceed [19:38] bluekuja: where's the italian site again? haven't looked at it in a while, would like to see how it has progressed [19:39] highvoltage: is the new theme getting anywhere? [19:39] LaserJock_: what about permissions? [19:39] highvoltage, one second and I send you right lin [19:39] *link [19:39] :) [19:40] LaserJock_: not sure if you were at the meeting the other day, but we discussed it at the last meeting, we had versioning conflicts and the theme looked quite broken [19:40] bluekuja: what about permissions? [19:40] highvoltage: versioning of what? drupal? [19:40] LaserJock_: and it seems that news2000 is busy with a bunch of other stuff (or was at least) [19:41] LaserJock_: the theme. we comined parts of his bzr theme, and images he cut out using photoshop, but they don't work together at the moment [19:41] so he has to do a new cut with that specific theme [19:42] and what about upgrading drupal? [19:42] I've thought of fixing it with gimp- it might not be exactly how he would want it, but at least it would work [19:42] drupal can't be upgraded [19:42] it's the latest version [19:42] really? it looked like 4.7 to me [19:42] no ways [19:42] it's been on 5 for ages [19:43] ah, I must not've looked close enough [19:43] and it's 5.1 since recently [19:43] ok, well that's great [19:43] I lie [19:43] 5.3 is out [19:43] how easy is it to get new modules? [19:43] so it can be upgraded [19:43] very easy [19:43] although, I've meant to install the localisation module, and haven't been able to do it in the last 3 weeks [19:43] at least this week I'm home for a change [19:44] been out of town the last month [19:44] (have to go again monday... grrr) [19:44] I was trying to figure out how to import the Handbook into edubuntu.org [19:44] not that I claim to know anything about docs, but shouldn't that go into help.ubuntu.com? [19:44] and I saw that there was a "import HTML" module [19:45] well, IMO, www.edubuntu.org is underutilized [19:45] and well, help.ubuntu.com tends to be Ubuntu-centered [19:45] sorry, wireless link went down [19:45] highvoltage, received the links I gave you? [19:45] I *could* have mdke put it on there, but I was trying to get creative [19:47] LaserJock_: what permissions will be set up on the wiki? [19:47] bluekuja_: none, just normal wiki [19:47] LaserJock_, I mean I hope not everyone will be able to modify it [19:47] LaserJock_, normal wiki? [19:47] setting up permissions is not trivial at all [19:47] bluekuja_: it's just on wiki.ubuntu.com [19:48] LaserJock_, and on help.u.c? [19:48] hmm? [19:48] bluekuja_: I'm just saying that the packaging guide has no special permissions [19:48] packaging guide will be deleted from the doc team trunk? [19:48] maybe eventually [19:48] I'm gonna keep it around for a while [19:49] LaserJock_, yeah, understood the point. I was just a little bit confused about everyone able to modify a document like that [19:49] why not? [19:49] highvoltage, disappeared? [19:49] LaserJock_, small example [19:50] a contributor decides to add something to the doc [19:50] *every* other doc is on the wiki. Our policies, which are more important than the packaging guide, are on the wiki [19:50] mess up the informations he adds there [19:50] it can't be any worse than what's already on the wiki [19:51] well, yes, probably some people will mess some things up along the way [19:51] but if we have lots of eyes watching it it'll be easy to revert [19:51] sorry, friend just phoned me [19:51] ok, that was the point [19:51] and anyway yes, a lot of ppl will take care of it [19:51] so I guess there wont be errors [19:51] LaserJock_: yes! edubuntu.org is underused. [19:52] I realize the concern [19:52] highvoltage, received my link? [19:52] bluekuja_: just received it, thanks [19:52] grea [19:52] but we haven't had problems with our Policy docs, so I don't know why we should be any more concerned about the packaging guide [19:52] highvoltage, you can browse all sections from there [19:52] LaserJock_, yeah, you're right on this [19:52] highvoltage: I'm hoping we can freshen up edubuntu.org [19:53] LaserJock_: we've had some bursts where people have joined and meant to do a lot... and then they just dissapeared [19:53] the ubuntu.com site just rocks [19:53] LaserJock_: yeah, ubuntu.com is quite nice [19:53] yep [19:53] we need a realistic plan [19:53] LaserJock_, please keep me updated on that. e.g when a first draft will be up and running on the wiki [19:53] and just buckle down and start small and keep working [19:54] LaserJock_: I'm just quite weary of long planning sessions and planning around the website, and then the people who wanted all the bells and whistles dissapearing [19:54] LaserJock_: I'd rather do lots of incremental improvements [19:54] well, yes, what you just said :) [19:54] bluekuja_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [19:54] these big fancy plans all flop, I don't like them [19:54] highvoltage: yes, that's exactly my point [19:55] highvoltage: we need *some* goal or plan in mind, but it *has* to be realistic and it needs to have small steps [19:55] *nod* [19:55] LaserJock_: *hug* :) [19:56] LaserJock_: I think we should also just-do-things, without thinking of toes we might step on, if someone has a problem with something, we can fix it again afterwards [19:56] LaserJock, thanks, how far we are from ending it up? [19:56] bluekuja_: the window that lit up that I thought was you, wasn't :) [19:57] bluekuja_: where did you send those links? by email? [19:57] highvoltage, nope, here [19:57] but I lagged out too early [19:57] I guess [19:57] bluekuja_: ah [19:57] LaserJock_: if I'd have to prioritise web tasks, it would be (not in a specific order, but just things that are currently important) [19:58] 1. Update/remove obsolete content [19:58] 2. give the site a bit of a facelift [19:58] 3. get some more useful information, and links to things like wiki pages and help.ubuntu.com [19:59] 4. have a better frontpage, one that changes often [19:59] well, that's exactly what I was thinking [19:59] the user and community ideas that pips1 have are nice, but I don't think we're big enough at this stage for that, and that can wait for now, imho [20:00] so maybe we can create just a simple "web site todo" page [20:00] and as we can we can work on things [20:00] I totally agree with you about the "just do it" thing [20:00] it's easy to fix stuff [20:00] as long as people are just deleting content [20:01] overall Edubuntu tends to suffer from over-engineering when it comes to documentation or community stuff [20:02] heh, yes [20:02] yes, a wiki page with bite-sized tasks would be good [20:02] ok, today I'll start that, if that's ok with you [20:03] I'm more than ok with that! [20:03] just throw down some ideas [20:03] and we can all edit them, etc. [20:03] but I agree with your list above [20:03] I've been a bit unhappy about the site for a while, and I've been feeling a bit driven under by the over-engineering stuff. [20:04] but I'm quite happy that you agree with me, and it gives me some new motivation :) [20:04] however, some friends are expecting me at a party- I need to run for now [20:04] ok, well I gotta go for a little bit [20:04] heh [20:04] it's lunch time here [20:04] I'll look at some things tomorrow morning, can you post me a link to such a wiki page if you create it? [20:04] I'll get it in my away log [20:04] yep, will do [20:05] I might email edubuntu-devel actually [20:05] bluekuja_: don't forget to send me those links either [20:05] ok, great [20:05] just to make sure pips1 and everybody else knows [20:05] and we can start some discussion there as well [20:05] highvoltage: alrighty, I'm pumped [20:05] let's make it happen ;-) [20:06] yay! :) [20:13] back again, something is going wrong on my nm [20:14] highvoltage, looked at that website? how does it look? [20:28] bluekuja: he had to go [20:28] ok then, I'll ping him tomorrow when he gets up :) [20:29] LaserJock, thanks :) [20:31] LaserJock, where does ubuntu splash image is stored? [20:31] LaserJock_: cannot find it in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash [20:32] bluekuja: the boot splash? [20:32] LaserJock_: splash image, when nautilus, np applet loads up [20:32] before having your desktop [20:32] ah, gnome splash [20:33] yup [20:33] I actually don't know/remember [20:33] ok, I'm currently searching it for a friend [20:34] any one offer some help with PXE booting? [20:46] bluekuja: /usr/share/pixmaps/ IIRC [20:46] stgraber, seems it has been removed in gutsy [20:46] yes [20:47] could be [20:47] stgraber, for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/137118 [20:47] Launchpad bug 137118 in gnome-session "Gnome splash screen and sound disabled in Gutsy (dup-of: 129029)" [Low,Invalid] [20:47] Launchpad bug 129029 in libgnome "[Gutsy Tribe-5] No Sound on Login Screen or during Login" [High,Fix released] [20:47] stgraber, that's why I cannot find it inside /usr/share/pixmaps/splash [20:47] I know the removed the boot splash, I didn't know they removed the pixmaps [20:48] same here [20:48] that's why I was searching it around [20:48] heh, I like it without it [20:48] :D [20:49] it's the same for me, but a friend was a little less disappointed about not having ubuntu splash image [20:49] on gutsy [20:50] I take a break for a while