[00:01] <DaSkreech> Oh my goodness the bot died?
[00:03] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: yep
[00:04] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: /msg ubotwo factoid might work not sure if its messagile
[00:04] <gnomefreak> ible
[00:05] <gnomefreak> yep /msg works
[00:05] <gnomefreak> ignore the bug "this is not a command"
[01:42] <DaSkreech> Another freeze :-(
[01:43] <DaSkreech> !info libstlport5.1
[01:43] <ubotu> libstlport5.1: STLport C++ class library. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.1.3-1 (gutsy), package size 224 kB, installed size 676 kB
[01:43] <DaSkreech> !info libstlport4.6c2
[01:43] <ubotu> libstlport4.6c2: STLport C++ class library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.6.2-3build3 (gutsy), package size 277 kB, installed size 888 kB
[01:45] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for mentioning me in the blog post! :o)
[01:45] <Jucato> morning mhb
[01:45] <Jucato> congrats on that too :)
[01:45] <DaSkreech> Does libstlport4.2 supercede 5?
[01:45] <mhb> hi Jucato
[01:48] <DaSkreech> I ran through the upgrade process again and it told me to remove libstlport5
[01:48] <DaSkreech> I have libstlport4.6c2 installed which seems strange
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Froze again
[02:30] <Jucato> :(
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> how is the release going?
[02:32] <Jucato> the usual problems. but ok I guess :)
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> any bad upgrade problems?
[02:33]  * nosrednaekim remember dapper->edgy
[02:33] <Jucato> ah not as bad as dapper -> edgy or even edgy -> feisty
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> thats good!
[02:34] <Jucato> most of the problems so far are "not following instructions" and "hammered servers"
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah I've had like 4 valid I got screwed
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Oh and MSN doesn't work
[02:34] <Jucato> kopete + msn? known bug
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: if things get hectic in #k poke me and I'll come help out
[02:35] <Jucato> re: Riddell's blog
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: they really ought to bit-torrent the commonly used files.
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I know and still having a version upgrade after the upgrade is done
[02:35] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it's mostly over now... people are either sleeping while upgrading or waiting for the flood to die down
[02:35] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: To apt ?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: just put them in the apt cache
[02:35] <Jucato> you weren't here last night (my time) to help stdin :P
[02:36] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: I don't get it Torrent the common files?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'm sick I woke late
[02:36] <Jucato> aw.. get well :)
[02:36] <Jucato> we're all sick it seems
[02:37] <DaSkreech> I have people from work calling me to do things on servers and instead of resting or doing what I'm being paid to do I've been in #k all day helping out
[02:37] <DaSkreech> I logged out after the second power cut and freeze so that I can get somethings done :)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> But if needed I'll be there
[02:37] <DaSkreech> As long as this kernel doesn't freeze again
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... torrent all off the .debs, or maybe a torrent a tar of the main ones.
[02:37] <DaSkreech> I gotta stop checking the time
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> IDK, maybe i'm just crazy. =)
[02:39] <jjesse> evening
[02:39] <jjesse> congrats on the relase :)
[02:39] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: No I thought of it already but the problem is most files are small
[02:39] <Jucato> evenign jjesse
[02:39] <Jucato> better connection tonight? :)
[02:39] <DaSkreech> It makes it highly backwards and drops availabilty
[02:39] <jjesse> so far
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> what if you tar up all the common ones?
[02:39] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> ah ok..
[02:39] <DaSkreech>  torrent works for large files and files that are always demanded
[02:39]  * nosrednaekim doesn't understand torrenting very well
[02:39] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: you'll have to consider security first and foremost right?
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Hi jjesse
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: of course..
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> but there HAS to be a way to do it with BT...
[02:40] <Jucato> unfortunately, that's not very good for packages
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: torrent has security built in once you trust the original file
[02:40] <Jucato> multiply by dozens and dozens of packages?
[02:40] <Jucato> unless you all put them in one single file
[02:41] <Jucato> but you'll still have to check, with md5sum or something
[02:41] <DaSkreech> one file would be good but then that tears apart the usefulness of apt itself
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: but aren't they all getting the same basic packages? the dependencies of "kubuntu-desktop"
[02:42] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Yeah but you either give them the whole folder for /var/cache/apt/archive or torrents for each file
[02:42] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Neither is a nice solution
[02:45] <jjesse> hmm everyone enjoying the new release?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: why isn't the former a nice solution besides security problems? i'm not arguing with you.. just trying to understand
[02:45] <jjesse> wow internet connection just slowed down
[02:46] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Other than psuedo-random freezes
[02:47] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i'm still having problems w/ konqi (see posts to kubuntu-devel)
[02:47] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: cause they would have to get all the packages
[02:47] <DaSkreech> jjesse: the Drake?
[02:47] <jjesse> DaSkreech: on the gibbon
[02:48] <DaSkreech> jjesse: no you have problems with the drake?
[02:48] <jjesse> yes browsing through konqi
[02:49] <DaSkreech> konqui :)
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Konqi is the KDE mascot
[02:49] <jjesse> sorry yes konqui
[02:49] <jjesse> whatever
[02:49] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:49] <Jucato> konqi is also the familiar name of konqueror
[02:50] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Still hate rosetta?
[02:50] <DaSkreech> I've always seen it spelt konqui :)
[02:50] <Jucato> a rose by any other name :)
[02:53] <jjesse> wow anyone notice us.archive.ubuntu.com is super slow
[02:53] <Jucato> dunno.. I don't use that :P
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: lol, I made the mistake of using that this morning
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> I forgot to switch mirrors to good old columbia
[02:54] <Jucato> oh gawd!! spent 2 of my waking hours already in user support! I'm never gonna get anything done :(
[02:55] <jjesse> wow that sucks
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> heh..
[03:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yeah from 10:45 till about an hour ago for me
[03:15] <jjesse> wow archive.us.ubuntu.com is timing out for me :(
[03:15] <Jucato> time to move :)
[03:18] <DaSkreech> jjesse: It was giving out bad GPG keys earlier
[03:18] <DaSkreech>  so upgrades kept failing cause they couldn't trust the server
[03:18] <DaSkreech> That was shortly before it started giving bad packages to the upgrade would bork 1/2 way through install
[03:19] <jjesse> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Translation-en_US
[03:19] <jjesse>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.89.6 80]
[03:19] <jjesse> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Translation-en_US
[03:19] <jjesse>   Connection failed [IP: 91.189.88.31 80]
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Jucato: on the upside my experience seems to be that ubuntu upgrades are going much worse
[03:25] <jjesse> wow phear me squashing bugs tonight
[03:25] <coreymon77> i know
[03:25] <DaSkreech> !purekde
[03:25] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[03:25] <coreymon77> which mirrow do you guys think i should use
[03:25] <coreymon77> for faster speedds
[03:25] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: a torrent :)
[03:26]  * DaSkreech sighs
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah good branding is a problem
[03:26] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: im upgrading
[03:26] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: not fresh install
[03:26] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: so grab the alternate DVD :)
[03:26] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i want to know which repo i should use other than the main to get better speeds
[03:27] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Look for a country youwould never go to then choose that one as the mirror :)
[03:27] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: im using one from germany
[03:27] <jjesse> like the phillipines?
[03:27]  * jjesse ducks from Jucato
[03:28] <coreymon77> seems to be decent
[03:30] <DaSkreech> o.0
[03:30] <DaSkreech> 0.o
[03:30] <jjesse> Jucato must have gone afk
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Ok really don't get apt
[03:30] <DaSkreech> well maybe the clipart but good lord
[03:31] <Jucato> jjesse: you better start running :)
[03:31] <Jucato> btw. ph.archive.ubuntu.com just redirects to archive.ubuntu.com so don't expect any magic
[03:32] <jjesse> Jucato: we should get together sometime and have a beer
[03:32] <Jucato> oooooh! beer! :)
[03:32] <Jucato> yeah... sometime... :(
[03:32] <coreymon77> you know what
[03:32] <coreymon77> the hell with this
[03:32] <coreymon77> how can i upgrade without having to use the repos
[03:32] <jjesse> Jucato:  i'm going to be in austrialia in november is that close enough?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Torrent :) DVD
[03:33] <jjesse> coreymon77: can you download the iso and mount that as a source?
[03:33] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: doesnt the livecd only install
[03:33] <Jucato> jjesse: hahah! it's close. but the problem is me... I can't even get out of the country :(
[03:33] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i dont want to delete anything
[03:33] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: DVD
[03:33] <Jucato> coreymon77: you can use the alternate install cd
[03:33] <jjesse> Jucato: does the government not let you?
[03:33] <Jucato> more like my family :D
[03:33] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Yes. they dont. We can't speak any more about this
[03:34]  * DaSkreech puts on shades
[03:34] <Jucato> not that they won't let me. I basically can't (disregarding problems about passports, visas, and money)
[03:34] <DaSkreech> Look into the red light
[03:34] <DaSkreech> >*Flash*<
[03:34]  * jjesse wonders at the knock on my hotel door
[03:34] <Jucato> ooooh
[03:36] <coreymon77> you know what, f**k this, im fresh installing, just keeping my home directory
[03:36] <jjesse> fork this?
[03:37] <Jucato> fink
[03:39] <coreymon77> do you really want me to say it
[03:39] <coreymon77> fuck this
[03:43] <jjesse> nope just being an A$$$
[03:43] <Jucato> too much $ :)
[03:43] <jjesse> maybe i havea big one :)
[03:43] <Jucato> lol
[03:46] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | coreymon77
[03:46] <ubotu> coreymon77: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:46] <coreymon77> torrents it seems are the best "mirrors" of them all
[03:46] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i know, they asked for it though
[03:46] <Jucato> s/they/he/
[03:46] <DaSkreech> though finking this might not be a bad idea
[03:46] <coreymon77> lol
[03:46] <coreymon77> macports daskreech, macports
[03:47] <Jucato> :)
[03:47] <coreymon77> fink borked my system
[03:47] <DaSkreech> shouldn't that be b**ked?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Just to keep mystery in the air :)
[03:47] <coreymon77> what else could it be?
[03:48] <coreymon77> bucked?
[03:48] <coreymon77> bicked
[03:48] <coreymon77> biked
[03:48] <coreymon77> that doesnt make sense
[03:49] <DaSkreech> See isn't Mystery great? :)
[03:55]  * imbrandon lubs fink
[03:56] <coreymon77> im using macports for my irc client
[03:56] <coreymon77> konv
[03:56] <Jucato> oooh imbrandon!! :)
[03:56] <imbrandon> i did the konvi fink package this last time
[03:56] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[03:58] <jjesse> isn't bzr+ssh supposed to be faster then just a normal checkout?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Didn't you go into stasis ?
[04:18] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: i'm back, been back a cupple weeks now
[04:35]  * DaSkreech is a damned fool
[04:40] <nixternal> jjesse: ftp.ussg.iu.edu (shhh though)
[04:40] <jjesse> nixternal:  for what?
[04:41] <nixternal> for grabbing *buntu stuff from...you can also use their repo mirror
[04:41] <jjesse> ah cool
[04:41] <nixternal> it is way way way way faster than us.archives will ever be
[04:41] <jjesse> cool
[04:41] <nixternal> hell, ca.archives are much quicker, and 90% of the time the regular archives are quicker
[04:42] <jjesse> grumble still having problems w/ sound :(
[04:42] <nixternal> Intel chipset?
[04:42] <jjesse> yeah
[04:42] <nixternal> yup
[04:43] <nixternal> Ubuntu does not know how to do Intel sound (especially since crimsun is on a hiatus)
[04:43] <jjesse> tried to use a newer version of alsa and had it working for a while but ever since update kernel haven't been able to get it back up and going
[04:43] <nixternal> it works with every other distro, but *buntu
[04:43] <nixternal> Intel HDA sound
[04:43] <jjesse> tried the same fix after the update
[04:43] <jjesse> yeah stupid Intel HDA sound
[04:43] <nixternal> hehe
[04:44]  * jjesse is thnking about starting a build of kde4 on his laptop instead of just a vm
[04:44] <nixternal> you know something, I think MS Virtual PC > than any other vm
[04:44] <jjesse> wow ftp.ussg.iedu is quick
[04:45] <jjesse> intersting adept tells me there is a new version availa ble
[04:45] <nixternal> I set it up on my other box just to see how it runs, and after a minor x tweak for graphics and the mouse, it is way faster than vmware, vbox, and whatever else I have tried
[04:46] <jjesse> yeah it is nice, i'm looking forward to the next release of windows server which is going to include a hypervisor
[04:46] <jjesse> hmmm now i'm downloading the upgrade tool from archive.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Xen?
[04:46] <nixternal> Xen is good if you have the hardware to support it
[04:46] <nixternal> but if you don't have that hardware, Virtual PC is pwnage
[04:47] <DaSkreech> !info openclipart-png
[04:47] <ubotu> openclipart-png: clip art in PNG format. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.18+dfsg-4 (gutsy), package size 140998 kB, installed size 164740 kB
[04:47] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:47] <manchicken_> It always tickles me when I see someone complain about configs being overwritten by upgrade processes.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> it is that big
[04:47] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Some packages ask before over writing
[04:47] <manchicken_> I've never had a config file that was overwritten without prompting me, except for the defaults stuff.
[04:48] <nixternal> man, how do you open a freakin' browser with a java app easily?
[04:48] <manchicken_> nixternal: /etc/alternatives
[04:48] <nixternal> heh
[04:48] <DaSkreech> You know what we need.  a browser written in Java :)
[04:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Is anything easy with Java?
[04:48]  * manchicken_ shoots DaSkreech
[04:48] <nixternal> everything but this ScottK
[04:48] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Wait for it
[04:48] <manchicken_> (several times)
[04:49] <DaSkreech> tested for 6 months in advance by Sun employees
[04:49] <DaSkreech> mandatory
[04:49] <jjesse> quick question how does kubuntu 7.10 work w/ dual montiros?
[04:49] <manchicken_> I'll be nice to Java users.
[04:49] <DaSkreech> I'm betting Java would be right sprightly in a year :)
[04:49] <jjesse> or lcd projectores?
[04:49] <manchicken_> jjesse: As good as you can configure X :)
[04:49] <jjesse> hrmm
[04:49] <manchicken_> jjesse: Works well with projectors as long as your X config is okay.
[04:49] <manchicken_> It all depends on X support.
[04:49] <DaSkreech> How does the BPX work?
[04:50] <manchicken_> My old ATI card wouldn't let me do anything with the external output (on a laptop).
[04:50] <jjesse> will have to try it, been booting into vista to teach all week on the project due to not being able to get feisty to see the projector
[04:50] <manchicken_> It may just be plug and play.
[04:50] <manchicken_> I know my system76 just starts right up on the external port.
[04:52] <jjesse> so i just bought the n800 and now there is an n810 and the 800 is $100 cheaper
[04:53] <manchicken> Nokia?
[04:53] <jjesse> yeah
[04:53] <DaSkreech> jjesse: yay! Sell me the n800 :)
[04:53]  * manchicken hugs his crackberry
[04:53] <DaSkreech> I saw the 810 on Ars
[04:53] <manchicken> I just wish that blackberries synced better.
[04:55] <manchicken> I also wish that the repos weren't getting slammed so hard.
[04:56] <manchicken> I'm getting on average 1kB/s now.
[04:59] <jjesse> nixternal: thanks for that mirror :)
[05:03] <nixternal> no problem
[05:03]  * nixternal hugs java.awt.Desktop
[05:03] <jjesse> lots of bugs being reported on #ubuntu-bugs :(
[05:05] <ScottK> Odd, I was thinking the opposite.
[05:05] <jjesse> hmm just saw a bunch at one time
[05:05] <ScottK> A pretty large fraction are invalid from my sampling today.
[05:06] <jjesse> intesting
[05:10] <jjesse> ok heading to bed, flying out tomorrow, hopefully i don't have problems w/ ohare airport like always
[05:11]  * DaSkreech sends a package to arrive at the same time as jjesse
[05:49] <DaSkreech> I should note the packages that were removed at the end of upgrade included a lot o useful things
[05:49] <DaSkreech> like Openoffice.org
[06:05] <Jucato> DaSkreech: he looks like gnome? O.o
[06:05] <Jucato> no wonder :D
[06:06]  * DaSkreech snatches his little red hat and runs away laughing
[06:07]  * Jucato looks for his green lizard..
[06:11] <DaSkreech> He types like lolcat
[06:18] <Jucato> a lolcat would be insulted...
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Bye Dumb bot
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: Ping
[06:37] <Nightrose> DaSkreech: pong
[06:38] <Nightrose> wasup?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> giving a talk at Ubucon ?
[06:38] <Nightrose> jep
[06:38]  * Jucato watches the table tennis game
[06:38] <Nightrose> 2 talks even
[06:38] <Jucato> yeah read it in the blog
[06:38] <Jucato> on the Planet
[06:38] <Nightrose> ;-)
[06:39]  * Nightrose finally got her blog on there
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: are they to be recorded?
[06:39] <Jucato> me too :)
[06:39] <Nightrose> don't know DaSkreech
[06:39]  * Jucato hopes there would be feeds.. or at least slides
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Get them on amarok.radio :)
[06:39] <Nightrose> well I will make the slides availible as always
[06:40] <Nightrose> but I don't know about videos
[06:40] <Nightrose> we will see
[06:40] <Jucato> yay :)
[06:40] <Jucato> well I hope Canonical provides videos :)
[06:40] <Nightrose> ;-)
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Nightrose: Just want audio :)
[06:40] <DaSkreech> .ogg plz ;0
[06:40] <Nightrose> hehe
[06:41]  * Nightrose has to take a shower - have to leave in ~1 hour
[06:41] <Jucato> ah.. a less demanding request :)
[06:41] <Nightrose> ;-)
[06:41] <Jucato> take care :)
[06:41] <Nightrose> you too
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Good thing in pung you :)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> I
[06:42] <DaSkreech> s/in/I
[06:43] <Jucato> pinged
[06:50] <DaSkreech> I keep swinging back and forth between pinged and pung :)
[06:50] <DaSkreech> mostly pung when I'm lazy since it's less typing
[07:07] <OpenSorce> the following review of Kubuntu 7.10 will be released to the public within the next 3 weeks.....not trying to be flamebait....just notifying you guys....my boss is sending an email to you guys as we speak http://bigcatlinux.com/kufailure.html
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about adept integration, the kio-apt already has an install mecanism, but using pkginstaller, I'm just playing with the code to make it to use adept-batch as a first step
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course I'll have a look at the spec and discuss with mvo
[07:36] <Tonio_> I'm just currently experimenting this to learn about the code and what is possible to do with it at it's current state
[07:37] <WaltzingAlong> its
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Good night everyone!
[08:29] <larsivi> Heya, adept told me there was a new kubuntu version, but considering I've been using only gutsy (since tribe 5 or so), that shouldn't happen?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> known bug
[08:30] <larsivi> and how do I start the deb frontend? :Pok
[08:30] <larsivi> heh
[08:30] <larsivi> ok
[08:30] <WaltzingAlong> larsivi: i see that too.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice
[08:36] <larsivi> hmm, I expected the deb frontend to be a more normal app, not something I used on a right click
[08:37] <larsivi> oh, and why do I have to go through the Actions submenu? it is not very intuitive
[08:50] <nixternal> argh, jambi no worky worky
[08:50] <nixternal> man, i have been messing around for 2 hours with it
[08:51]  * nixternal beds
[08:51] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:53] <SlimG2> Are the firefox and thunderbird locales supposed to be installed out-of-box in kubuntu 7.10 too?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> morning!
[09:55] <mhb> good morning _StefanS_
[09:55] <mhb> and all the others
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yops!
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: isnt that the correct wording ? :)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> when is hardy heron released?
[09:56] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:56] <_StefanS_> cant wait to work on the next version hehe
[09:56] <Tonio_> yup :)
[09:57] <Tonio_> just say "yop" no s :)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: those bugfixes are meant for heron, right ? :)
[09:57] <_StefanS_> YOP
[09:57] <Tonio_> yep
[09:57] <_StefanS_> yop
[09:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I also wait for something more "mature" to release a tarball for kdesudo
[09:58] <_StefanS_> right, I havent looked at it yet, but I noticed that java apps are also having that bouncing cursor for 30 seconds
[09:58] <_StefanS_> but I guess thats because they dont signal anything to kde..
[09:58] <_StefanS_> YIP
[09:59]  * _StefanS_ is in a good mood today. New hardware is arriving.
[09:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's the point yes
[09:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and also there is that icon+name missing thing
[09:59] <_StefanS_> hey Lure
[09:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure, I think I know how to fix that one..
[10:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that would be super :)
[10:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: both bugs fixed and we can release the tarball
[10:01] <_StefanS_> where do you want to the release the tarball ? kde-apps?
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ^
[10:13] <marseillai_> hi
[10:17] <marseillai_> i got a problem with kubuntu. Since many month now my computer become irresponsive if I let it turn on without using it during several hours. Xorg hangs the cpu a 100%, the mouse can move, some keyboard shortcut works (amarok play/pause works) the screen continue to refresh but i can't bo anything else and i have to reboot.
[10:17] <marseillai_> this bug start to really annoy me
[10:18] <marseillai_> and i don't know where to find the reason of it (wich log)
[10:18] <marseillai_> because nothing crash
[10:18] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: is amarok running?
[10:19] <marseillai_> yes
[10:19] <marseillai_> you think it's him .?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> it's that.  kill amarok whenever that happens, or log out of kde
[10:19] <Hobbsee> although i'm not sure how amarok play/pause works like that
[10:19] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: the problem is that i don't have anything to kill something or log off (even ctrl alt backspace don't work)
[10:19] <Hobbsee> it's a bug where xine goes into an infinite loop, and thrashes.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> i thought xkill was on a menu.  or did i add it...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> oh, maybe it's a different bug.
[10:20] <marseillai_> anyway i'll try to see if closing amarok before leaving my computer alone for the night resolve it
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, probably kde-apps
[10:24] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe, I am now able to install and remove packages with kio-apt ;)
[10:26] <Tonio_> super :)
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so you fixed that yourself, then?
[10:26] <Tonio_> yep
[10:26] <_StefanS_> you're just unstopable :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> my understanding of c++ is getting better, although I'm far from considering myself a developper :)
[10:27] <_StefanS_> you will leave me out of job then
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll never be a real developper
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that requires learning I'm not ready to do yet
[10:29] <_StefanS_> neither will I.
[10:29] <_StefanS_> that was scary, right ? :)
[10:30] <_StefanS_> I like doing a little of everything
[10:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you're much closer to a dev than I am
[10:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm unable to write any code, all I can do is modifying existing code, that'll all
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I remember I learned m68k assembler that way hehe
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well that, and disassembling everything I could get my hands on ;)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've sure looked through my part of the computer memory hehe
[11:14] <Tonio_> hum share about kio-apt is that it doesn't use tempates for html output.....
[11:14] <Tonio_> I'll probably also add a link to the repository manager
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thinking out loud ? :)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you need a bluetooth mouse (or two) btw?
[11:14] <Tonio_> kind of ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I already have one, why ?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I just have too many
[11:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so if you needed one.. ;)
[11:15] <Jucato> _StefanS_ Claus is coming to town...
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe, thanks, but I'm already equiped :)
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: he never goes away :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> installation and removal of a package works !!!!!!! nice ;)
[11:16] <Jucato> heheh :)
[11:16] <_StefanS_> sweet
[11:16] <Jucato> kio_apt? from Konqueror? whoa
[11:16] <Tonio_> I have to find a way to refresh the page once done
[11:16] <_StefanS_> I have a mini-itx case aswell
[11:16] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: yeah
[11:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: fancy testing ?
[11:16] <Jucato> can't right now. sorry :(
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lemme test
[11:17] <_StefanS_> I have your repo
[11:17] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kio-apt_0.13.2-2ubuntu4tonio1_i386.deb
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not in the repo yet
[11:17] <Tonio_> I only publish mature stuff on my repo
[11:18] <Tonio_> btw I have to change my repo to use reprepro, it's structure is juste nasty at the moment
[11:18] <_StefanS_> installing now
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just killall konqueror before testing to reload the ioslaves
[11:18] <Tonio_> since there is a konqueror preload
[11:18] <_StefanS_> can I use kio-apt to remove kio-apt ? :D
[11:18] <_StefanS_> yop
[11:19] <Jucato> lol
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should be able to yes :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> afaics it works, just that I need to refresh the page once done....... dunno how to do such, I'll check the code once again
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second step is a nice html code
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: third step is making it compatible with the apt:/ from ubuntu
[11:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we have time so I'm sure it'll be done at time
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: removal works, but the page doesnt refresh after removal
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: had to do that manually
[11:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's what I said :)
[11:20] <_StefanS_> ah :D
[11:20] <Tonio_> I have to find a way to do so
[11:20]  * _StefanS_ puts on his nonexistant glasses
[11:20] <Tonio_> I'm unsure if there is a way to dcop konqueror to refresh
[11:21] <Tonio_> or output some js code to the page
[11:23] <Tonio_> hum nothing is dcop, nothing in the code....... damn.....
[11:29]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:30] <Riddell> evening Hobbsee
[11:31] <Jucato> evening Hobbsee, Riddell!
[11:31] <Jucato> Riddell: have you seen the comments about the error in http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot6.png ?
[11:32] <Riddell> the comments?
[11:33] <Jucato> wrong screenshot
[11:35] <Riddell> utimate fanboy..
[11:35] <Riddell>    i love your website and i think you did a good job. i like the fact
[11:35] <Riddell>    i love your website and i think you did a good job. i like the    that its free and its better then windows. I love you
[11:35] <Riddell>    p.s. i think your great
[11:35] <Jucato> hahah :)
[11:36] <WaltzingAlong> with a phone number or IM contact following the ps ? :D
[11:36] <Riddell> nope
[11:37] <mhb> well the p.s. is definitely correct
[11:37] <Riddell> not sure if I should reply to him or not
[11:39] <Hobbsee> sigh, lots of bugs
[11:40] <WaltzingAlong> less the your in place of you're but not all of us are native english
[11:40] <Riddell> this guy lives in the US (so I'll let him off :)
[11:40] <Riddell> actually, that's probably insulted lots of people here!
[11:40]  * Riddell grovels
[11:41] <Jucato> hehe )
[11:42] <mhb> not me .o)
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> just playing on "american" versus "english" or in that many do not have adequate comprehension of basic grammar?
[11:45] <Riddell> WaltzingAlong: that outsiders views of the American grasp of grammar comes from watching George Bush :)
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> ;p will it may be somewhat better than his but perhaps not by enough
[11:46]  * Jucato has his own views on American grammar based on talking on the phone...
[11:47] <Hobbsee> Jucato: do i want to go to india?
[11:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: um... not the right person to ask :)
[11:47]  * Jucato hasn't been out of the country
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> yes!
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Jucato: or your room :)
[11:57] <Jucato> hahah! I've been to the store earlier :P
[11:58] <_StefanS_> ;D
[11:59] <_StefanS_> anyone with css/dhtml/js experience, please message me - I've got a few questions regarding pagelayouts
[12:47]  * Hobbsee goes and builds konversation
[12:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: little question ;)
[12:52] <_StefanS_> yop?
[12:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can do the redirection, but I have a problem with when to do it
[12:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how to perform after a process launched in a kshellprocess has ended ?
[12:52] <_StefanS_> dont you get a handle of some sort
[12:52] <Tonio_> my redirection just goes immediatly after adept is started
[12:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no idea :)
[12:53] <_StefanS_> it spawns it in a new thread
[12:53] <Tonio_> p->start( KProcess::NotifyOnExit, KProcess::All );
[12:53] <Tonio_> that's what I use to start adept
[12:53] <Tonio_> and then I use this : redirection(url);
[12:53] <Tonio_> to redirect
[12:53] <_StefanS_> gotta look it up in the api
[12:53] <Tonio_> that I can do I guess
[12:54] <_StefanS_> is it kshellprocess or kprocess ?
[12:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: runMode(block)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/classKProcess.html
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: then your app will wait on adept to finish.
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm thats KProcess::RunMode
[12:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looking thanks
[13:00] <Hobbsee_> yay, sanity!
[13:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you update the package ?
[13:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: refresh should work this time
[13:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also, I don't know what's best..... using adept-batch or gdebi
[13:15] <Jucato> if Riddell comes back later, could someone tell him that http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot6.png is a dup of http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot0.png
[13:15]  * Jucato might not be around
[13:16] <Riddell> Jucato: maybe that's deliberate
[13:16] <Jucato> Riddell: oh? ok sorry. coz the "preview" shows a different image
[13:17] <Jucato> so we don't need --version-upgrade anymore?
[13:17] <Riddell> Jucato: not if you have feisty-proposed up to date
[13:17] <Jucato> kool. thanks. I'll tell that next time :)
[13:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I like gdebi more actually
[13:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will test
[13:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: me too, but I don't think you can use it to install a file via apt
[13:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: isnt that exactly what it does?
[13:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope, gdebi is to install local deb files
[13:19] <_StefanS_> so can someone help with a few css/dhtml questions?
[13:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah I get it.. use adept then
[13:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: works great :)
[13:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool stuff.
[13:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: thanks :) that's not over yet, I should add a confirmation box
[13:22] <_StefanS_> a just a javascript box I guess
[13:22] <_StefanS_> a/ah
[13:22] <_StefanS_> aaaahh
[13:26] <Jucato> hm.. there are reports about being notified Upgrade Version even when in Gutsy? I know it's probably harmless, but is it normal or a bug?
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: from what I have seen, its because the upgrade never registered as being "complete" but all the packages were installed(or maybe not all, but the rest can be later installed), so the user reboots and it still thinks there is an upgrade
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> and of course, you can't upgrade very easily from gutsy, so it never goes away
[13:34] <buz> i wondering about those kde4 beta3 packages. for some reason, most plasma applets cant be loaded
[13:34] <buz> which essentially renders kde4 unusable
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> buz: noticed that....
[13:35] <buz> so it's not just me
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> panel doesn't work for me wither
[13:35] <buz> exactly
[13:35] <Jucato> most of the plasmoids are not inside any of the main kde modules (either in playground or extragear)
[13:35] <buz> maybe because plasma-playground is so old? 0.0svn20070907-0ubuntu3
[13:35] <Jucato> playground isn't packages afaik...
[13:36] <buz> yes but it lives in the repo and obviously, people figure it could be useful ;)
[13:36] <Jucato> which repo?
[13:36] <buz> well i guess not in main
[13:37] <buz> but at the current state, it's pretty much useless for testing kde4
[13:37] <Jucato> just because it's in SVN doesn't mean it's automatically in or would be in our repos :)
[13:37] <buz> it is in the repos
[13:37] <buz> lemme see in which
[13:38] <buz> universe
[13:38] <Jucato> ah I see. plasma-playground
[13:38] <buz> yes
[13:38] <buz> (says so above ;)
[13:38] <Jucato> hm.. that would be weird then...
[13:38] <buz> i'm guessing updating this might help
[13:39] <Jucato> if there are updates.
[13:39] <buz> well according to planetkde, there are 400 commits per day
[13:39] <buz> so there are bound to be a few ;)
[13:39] <buz> maybe i should try compiling plasma myself ;)
[13:40] <Jucato> I meant kubuntu package updats
[13:40] <Jucato> updates*
[13:40] <buz> oh no there obviously arent any of those ;)
[13:40] <Jucato> :D
[13:40]  * Jucato hasn't had any luck with Kubuntu KDE4 packages... always compiled
[13:41] <buz> how much time/space are we talking about for a full kde4 build
[13:42] <Jucato> last time I tried? qt-copy + kdesupport + kdelibs + kdepimlibs + kdebase = ~5 hours
[13:42] <buz> do i still need qtcopy?
[13:42] <buz> on gutsy i mean
[13:42] <Jucato> don't think so. but I always stay by the book
[13:42] <Jucato> or guide :)
[13:43] <Jucato> btw that 5 hours is on a 1.5Ghz machine
[13:43] <buz> oh i have dual core 2 ghz
[13:43] <buz> but slow laptop disk
[13:43] <buz> and building often is io limited more than cpu
[13:43] <buz> well i shall give it a shot
[13:44] <Jucato> I would bet my hd is slower
[13:44] <Jucato> it's almost 2 years old :)
[13:44] <buz> well it doesnt help that my entire home is on dm-crypt ;)
[13:44] <Jucato> have fun! :)
[13:45] <buz> well on a dual core, kcryptd actually isnt all that bad
[13:45] <buz> on my previous pentium m it sorta sucked ;)
[13:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you there ?
[13:51] <buz> Jucato: do you use the kdesvn-build tool or do it by hand
[13:51] <Jucato> by foot
[13:51] <Jucato> er hand
[14:10] <jjesse> Riddell: you there?
[14:10] <gomoran2> subpixel-font-hinting in kubuntu 7.10 broken.
[14:10] <gomoran2> “Full Hinting” means especially that horizontal or vertical stems are set on pixel-koordinates, so they get crisp and not bluered (esp. on low resolution devices like 19" TFTs with only 86dpi) . This works fine on linux, but has been broken in Kubuntu 7.10.
[14:10] <gomoran2> See  http://www.forwiss.uni-passau.de/~berberic/Hinting.png: setting is full hinting on both cases, but “full”-hinting in kubuntu does not lead to full hinting.
[14:10] <oelewapp2rke> how do I get init=/bin/sh passed to the live cd ?
[14:11] <Riddell> jjesse: yo
[14:11] <oelewapp2rke> I get tons of squashfs errors
[14:11] <jjesse> Riddell: you sent me a private message?
[14:14] <jpatrick> Jucato: I give up with the guy -_-
[14:14] <Jucato> so soon? :)
[14:14] <Jucato> I'm about to as well...
[14:14] <jpatrick> so soon? :)
[14:15] <Jucato> ha! I've been dealing w/ him for an hour now :P
[14:17] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: Jucato which guy?
[14:17] <Jucato> ubuntu
[14:17] <Jucato> I was just waiting for one last wrong move and then WHAM!
[14:17] <jjesse> i hate packing up my hotel room, i'm always afraid i'm going to leave something behind
[14:18] <Riddell> ScottK: are you going to UDS?
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: It's likely I'll be there Sunday/Monday and that's it.
[14:19] <ScottK> Maybe Tuesday evening.
[14:19] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't see you on the delegate list, have you told anyone?
[14:19] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  It's not 100% yet.
[14:19] <Riddell> ScottK: do you have somewhere to stay?
[14:19]  * ScottK has mentioned it on IRC.
[14:19] <ScottK> Not yet.
[14:19] <ScottK> That's on my TODO.
[14:20] <ScottK> The good news is my Monday/Tuesday hotel bill will be reimbursed.
[14:20] <Riddell> it will?
[14:20] <ScottK> So I can stay at the hotel (there are still rooms).
[14:20] <ScottK> Yes, by $WORK.
[14:20] <ScottK> I got sent to a Tuesday meeting in the Boston area.  Just found out last week.
[14:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I start getting good results with kio-apt ;)
[14:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope to be able to install a package with apt://packagename toonight, probably
[14:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: rocking
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: adept integration is done, now we can install and remove applications just browsing apt:/, only playing with urls is necessary now
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know the ubuntu protocol can play with repositories too.... that'll be the complicated part I guess
[14:23] <Riddell> ScottK: make sure you register when you know when you'll be there
[14:23] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[14:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ask a xhtml/css guru of my friends to take care to make it better, kio-apt html code sucks as hell....
[14:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: should be able to enable components with software-properties-kde
[14:23] <Riddell> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007/+attend
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay that might not be that complicated to do then
[14:24] <Riddell> ScottK: and if you have sessions to propose, let me know
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:24] <ScottK> Riddell: Probably not, but if I think of anything I will.
[14:37] <manchicken> kde4addons causes headache when updating.
[14:37] <manchicken> Because kde4addons and kde4base both have a common file.
[14:38] <manchicken> So I'll just remove kde4addons and try to reinstall it when I'm done with the distupgrade
[14:38] <Riddell> --force-overwrite
[14:38] <manchicken> To aptitude?
[14:39] <Riddell> dunno
[14:40] <manchicken> What's hilarious is that this is just a week's updates for me.
[14:40] <manchicken> So what's our next release? 8.04 Hungry Hippo?
[14:42] <jjesse> hardy heron
[14:42] <manchicken> Is it really/
[14:42] <manchicken> ?
[14:42] <jjesse> yeah 8.04 LTS (hardy heron)
[14:43] <manchicken> We're gonna get lots of... interesting jokes.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> yes...
[14:43] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i said this to mark, and it took him a couple of mins to get it - then said that i had a dirty mind
[14:43] <manchicken> Heh
[14:43] <Hobbsee> i say "well, i may well do...but how come everyone *else* thought that too?"
[14:43] <manchicken> So does the rest of the world.
[14:44] <manchicken> Even though we don't all have the same language, when it comes to dirty jokes, I think most of the world is on the same page.
[14:44] <manchicken> I don't think "hardy" would translate the same though.
[14:45] <manchicken> I'm making some progress with this dist-upgrade.
[14:45]  * Jucato has already heard of hardon references...
[14:46] <manchicken> There we go.
[14:46] <manchicken> And he's not even a native English speaker!
[14:46] <Jucato> :)
[14:47] <manchicken> Riddell: Are you sure there's a way to force overwrite in aptitude?
[14:51] <manchicken> I'll just remove KDE4 for now
[14:51] <Riddell> manchicken: nope, I've never used aptitude
[14:52] <manchicken> Riddell: What do you use?
[14:54] <manchicken> nixternal: So are you gonna be here tomorrow?
[14:54] <Riddell> manchicken: apt-get
[14:54] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[14:58] <Jucato> is the kdelibs fix already in the servers or do we have an ETA?
[14:58] <Riddell> it's in the unapproved queue
[14:59] <Riddell> you'd need to ask pitti when that's likely to be approved by him
[14:59] <manchicken> Is 3.5.8 with broken kdelibs in the ISO?
[14:59] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yeah
[14:59] <manchicken> allee_: What's goin' on?
[14:59] <manchicken> Ouch.  That's not very good.
[15:00] <manchicken> Oh well, it had to cut over at one point or another.
[15:18] <manchicken> So the upgrade tool wants to run.
[15:18] <manchicken> I think it's going to restart my machine.
[15:19] <manchicken> Its hanging on downloading the 17th file.  heh
[15:20] <manchicken> Rebooting
[15:24] <manchicken> I really don't like the new konvi default.
[15:26] <manchicken> Alrighty
[15:28] <manchicken> So how soon are we expecting the kdelibs fix to be in the repos?
[15:28] <manchicken> BTW, has anybody tried Barry at all?
[15:28] <manchicken> I think I may package it.
[15:31] <Hobbsee> what's that?
[15:33] <Riddell> manchicken: dunno, you'd need to ask pitti when he can approve it.  then it needs buildds to be on and publishing, I'm not sure of the state of that
[15:33] <Hobbsee> oh, i think they're publishing and whatnot again
[15:35] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Barry is a blackberry sync interface IIRC
[15:35] <bddebian> Heya
[15:36] <bddebian> I am?
[15:36] <manchicken> Not you, silly
[15:36] <bddebian> :-)
[15:36] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[16:00] <ScottK> Hobbsee and Riddell: python-kde3, -qt3, and -qt4 are maintained in Debian in the Python Modules Team.  I have svn committ authority there.  If there are changes that would be useful to feed back to Debian to help keep us in sync, please kept me know.  I see sip4-qt3 is there too.
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks, that's interesting to know
[16:03] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[16:03] <Riddell> I presume python-kde4 will be done by the KDE Debian team
[16:05] <ScottK> I'd guess.  I just know it's not in the DPMT svn as of today.
[16:30] <CPrgmSwR2> Why does kubuntu not color the console by default like in gentoo?
[16:34] <Riddell> CPrgmSwR2: because we're not gentoo?
[16:34] <Riddell> it's set in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/konsolerc
[16:34] <CPrgmSwR2> so
[16:34] <CPrgmSwR2> I get no color in my console
[16:35] <Riddell> and I chose white on black because it doesn't hurt my eyes and it works with irssi (assuming you're talking about KDE Konsole)
[16:35] <CPrgmSwR2> Riddell: Thats not what I am talking about
[16:35]  * Hobbsee is now prefering grey on black
[16:35] <CPrgmSwR2> when I compile kde4 for instance I get red and blue text
[16:35]  * Hobbsee likes her green prompt, though
[16:35]  * Jucato prefers white on black...
[16:35] <Jucato> isn't that cmake's config?
[16:35] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[16:36] <CPrgmSwR2> And when you view the directories, the files appear in various colors
[16:36]  * emonkey-f uses black on white
[16:36] <Jucato> coz I remember not seeing colors when building kdelibs etc, but I do see them with playground stuff
[16:36] <emonkey-f> the ls color thing is IMO defined in .bashrc
[16:36] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: cmake produces color output
[16:36] <manchicken> What was that kdelibs bug # again?
[16:37] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[16:37] <CPrgmSwR2> Like red for linking files and blue for creating moc files
[16:37]  * Hobbsee now has light grey + green on black :D
[16:37] <CPrgmSwR2> and pink for representing something else
[16:39]  * nixternal kicks jambi square in the arse
[16:39] <Jucato> look what you made ubotu do!
[16:40] <nixternal> ya, he needs a kickin' too :)
[16:47] <mars> it seems that you was right Hobbsee . i've let my computer 3 hour and close amarok before leaving and it is usable now
[16:47] <Hobbsee> mars: yeah, wouldnt surprise me
[16:48]  * mars is really annoy with this bug
[16:48] <mars> is there a none fix or something to do ?
[16:50] <Hobbsee> mars: try gstreamer?
[16:51] <Hobbsee> if there was a known fix, we woul dhave put it in
[16:51] <Hobbsee> but it seems quite rare, usually
[16:52] <mars> in fact it happens to me on my old computer and now that i've change it and have a fresh new install it still happens! :(
[16:53] <mhb> where are the SVGs for the kdm theme?
[16:54] <mhb> our default one, that is
[16:56] <nixternal> on kwwii's computer probably
[16:56] <nixternal> they aren't in k-d-s
[16:57] <nixternal> damn, time for skewl...mhb, I plan on doing some site work this evening finally...I think I may have a bit of free time
[16:57] <mhb> nixternal: right, I looked there, but they're not there
[16:57] <mhb> nixternal: we've done some improvements, fetched the newest ubuntu theme and we are working on that
[16:57] <nixternal> my huge java project is almost done, I need to work on my c++ lab, and do some javascripting...so that is only a few hours I think
[16:57] <mhb> and Drupal 5 now
[16:57] <nixternal> what were you using?
[16:58] <nixternal> 6?
[16:58] <mhb> 4
[16:58] <nixternal> ahh
[16:58] <nixternal> good idea :)
[16:58] <nixternal> OK, I will be back in a bit...gotta go learn how to write!
[16:58] <mhb> originally, the ubuntu.com theme was drupal 4 only, but they made a v5 version
[16:58] <mhb> see you
[17:01]  * Hobbsee plays with expose some more
[17:01] <fdoving> so.. my gutsy says there is a new distribution version available. what happens if i do a version upgrade from gutsy to gutsy?
[17:02] <Riddell> fdoving: not much
[17:03] <Jucato> :)
[17:03] <fdoving> Riddell: so it's perfectly safe?
[17:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: having fun in GNOME? :P
[17:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yup.
[17:03] <fdoving> is there any magic way to trick it to not ask about it?
[17:03] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[17:03] <Hobbsee> but i installed amarok and konversation.
[17:03] <Hobbsee> for some sanity
[17:03] <Hobbsee> and changed the windeco to look shiny like kde.
[17:04] <Jucato> so we'll be seeing you in the other side soon? :P
[17:04] <Hobbsee> no idea :)
[17:04]  * nosrednaekim hates the modification of KDE to look like gnome and vice versa
[17:04] <CPrgmSwR2> nosrednaekim: are you referencing kde4?
[17:04] <Hobbsee> well, it doesnt look like kde per se.  it looks shiny like the kde windeco for feisty or so
[17:04] <Jucato> kinda out of the topic comment there :P
[17:04] <Hobbsee> although it's orange still
[17:04] <Jucato> (ew)
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> CPrgmSwR2: no.
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: wait for the adept update in gutsy-proposed
[17:05] <CPrgmSwR2> nevermind
[17:05] <fdoving> Riddell: ok.
[17:05] <Hobbsee> Jucato: get it the right shade, and it actually looks kind nice
[17:06] <Jucato> still :)
[17:06] <Jucato> blue > green > orange > brown
[17:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wedontsleep.org/~sarah/Screenshot.png
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> red > all
[17:07] <Jucato> that's more brown than orange now :P
[17:07] <Hobbsee> true :)
[17:07] <Hobbsee> well, it's not the default windeco
[17:07] <Jucato> I recall that looked like the default a few releases back? :P
[17:08]  * Jucato thinks the only thing he likes in the default Ubuntu looks is the human icons
[17:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, kinda
[17:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and Screenshot-1 is cool, too :)
[17:10]  * nosrednaekim uses the human icons in KDE
[17:10] <Jucato> :)
[17:11] <Hobbsee> ew, the icons
[17:11] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: orange human?
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> yup :)
[17:11] <Jucato> well... out of place
[17:11]  * Jucato would settle w/ nuvola instead
[17:11] <Hobbsee> i think that's what i'm using
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> yeah...i'm using nuvola now too.
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> I was using human on fiesty
[17:22] <philipp_> hi
[17:22] <philipp_> i have kubuntu gutsy installed on my laptop.
[17:23] <philipp_> and i encounter some very strange problem:
[17:23] <philipp_> dropdown menus don't show entries and begin to jitter...
[17:23] <philipp_> this is very problematic as i can't see the option nor select them...
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> philipp_: kubuntu gutsy support is in #kubuntu
[17:24] <philipp_> ok, thanks
[17:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: aware that kopete segfaults while connecting to an msn account ?
[17:35]  * hunger thought gutsy was stable:-)
[17:35] <hunger> Or are you talking hardy already?
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: known issue, bug fix released on Riddell's PPA
[17:36] <hunger> Damn. Updates take ages, "waiting for headers" since gutsy was released. So much run on the servers?
[17:37] <Tonio_> great
[17:37] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: is a gutsy-updates planned ?
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: in case you are wnating the link http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:38] <Tonio_> super, thanks :)
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: I believe so
[17:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, and dupes.
[17:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, nosrednaekimthanks :)
[17:49] <hunger> Why is archive.ubuntu.com so slow for *some* dirs? gutsy-proposed and gutsy-backports in particular.
[17:52] <Tonio_> hunger: I suspect those are not the same servers
[17:53] <Tonio_> hunger: I woldn't be surprised that the servers are behind a reverse proxy and there are certain some sort of round-robbin inside too
[17:53] <hunger> Tonio_: Maybe... but getting the repositories from there takes several min, even though they should be tiny at this time.
[17:53] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah but maybe the servers are globally saturated :)
[17:53] <hunger> Tonio_: I'd guess they are:-)
[17:54] <hunger> Why do you need to hand out so much software for free all the time? ;-)
[17:54] <hunger> I wonder whether there are bandwidth usage stats available on archive.u.c...
[17:55] <Tonio_> hunger: I personnaly use se. at the moment
[17:55] <Tonio_> works correctly
[17:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there are 4 machines serving as a.u.c
[17:55] <uga> I'd rather see a tree graph with upstream servers included
[17:55] <Hobbsee> (round robin, i think
[17:55] <Hobbsee> )
[17:55] <Tonio_> also there are other mirrors like ftp.free.fr that should work pretty quick
[17:55] <Hobbsee> back to 3 now
[17:56] <uga> Tonio_: people would use mirrors more if they were to be trusted
[17:56] <uga> but some aren't
[17:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah only one B, thanks for the fix
[17:56] <uga> I gave up on a spanish mirror because it was lagging, half updated...
[17:56] <Tonio_> uga: lots are, but people just use the defaults, that's it
[17:57] <uga> I wonder why rsyncs fail on some mirrors
[17:57] <uga> they update the package lists, and then the packages are missing
[17:57] <Tonio_> you may try this one : deb ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:57] <uga> (for example)
[17:58] <uga> Tonio_: uhm... I think I used proxad in the past with... was it mdk?
[17:58] <Tonio_> uga: rsync isn't the good way to mirror debian archives
[17:58] <uga> that's a french mirror?
[17:58] <hunger> Tonio_: Actually I use a.u.c directly since you guys keapt claiming the problems I had were fixed days before I reported them and the mirrors just had not updated yet.
[17:58] <uga> Tonio_: ah, I don't know how they do, I thought it was rsync
[17:58] <Tonio_> yeah, a french ISP providing a mirror
[17:58] <Hobbsee> hunger: you can use 2
[17:58] <hunger> Hobbsee: 2 what?
[17:58] <Tonio_> uga: btw rsync isn't the best tool to mirror debian archives
[17:59] <Hobbsee> sets of mirrors
[17:59] <hunger> How so?
[17:59] <Tonio_> uga: for example if you have time difference between the servers, that can fail, I've just had the problem at my company
[17:59] <Tonio_> apt-mirror is really doing great job
[17:59] <Tonio_> hunger: depending how you fix the files
[17:59] <Tonio_> hunger: hum forget that last comment :)
[18:00]  * hunger is grabbing kde4 from svn.
[18:01] <uga> hunger: you'd better be ready for coding
[18:01] <hunger> uga: That is fine with me:-)
[18:01] <hunger> uga: I need to demo kde4 and decibel at systems in munich next week.
[18:01] <uga> okay. I said so since some seem to want to use a new Kool desktop, and ... heh =)
[18:02] <hunger> uga: I've been cursing kde4 code for over a year now;-)
[18:02] <uga> ;)
[18:02] <uga> I want a decent printing system
[18:02] <uga> ... and somebody to clean up all the plasma mess
[18:02]  * hunger wants a decent development environment.
[18:03] <uga> hunger: kate?
[18:03] <uga> vi?
[18:03] <uga> ed?
[18:03] <uga> =)
[18:03] <hunger> uga: Something like eclipse is for java, but for C++.
[18:04] <uga> I love the usual...
[18:04] <uga> $> ed
[18:04] <hunger> Will probably not be possible... C++ sucks too much for that.
[18:04] <uga> ?
[18:04] <uga> exit
[18:04] <uga> ?
[18:04] <uga> Ctrl-C
[18:04] <uga> ?
[18:04] <uga> ?
[18:04] <uga> ^]
[18:04] <uga> ?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> kdevelop?
[18:04] <uga> help
[18:05] <uga> ?
[18:05] <uga> ?
[18:05] <uga> ?
[18:05] <uga> quit
[18:05] <uga> ?
[18:05] <uga> (sorry, it's long, but couldn't do it short ) =)
[18:05] <uga> yup, kdevelop should do
[18:05] <hunger> nosrednaekim: kdevelop is a step into the right direction, but not as good as proprietary offerings from redmond.
[18:05] <uga> hunger: you also have monodevelop
[18:05]  * hunger would love to improve on it.
[18:05] <uga> but I'm not sure how well it performs with c++
[18:06] <hunger> uga: I do not use stuff designed by de'icaza.
[18:06] <uga> lol
[18:06] <uga> you think icaza designed it? =)
[18:06] <phnom> don't eclipse have a plug-in for C++?
[18:06] <uga> hunger: you think that guy still codes? :P
[18:06] <uga> he's a marketing boy ;P
[18:06] <hunger> phnom: Yes, it does. but eclipse is slow and the C++ plugin crashy (and sucky).
[18:06] <uga> phnom: it's a java gui...
[18:06] <uga> whatever they do, it'll suck
[18:07] <uga> slooooooow
[18:07] <phnom> yup, haven't tried it so I wouldn't know...
[18:07] <phnom> the plug-in that is
[18:08] <hunger> phnom: I try it whenever a new version comes out and so far it tends to crash when I import my code.
[18:08] <hunger> maybe I suck at C++ and that is why it is breaking... dunno.
[18:09] <phnom> or the plug-in just hates eclipse ^^
[18:11] <hunger> ... and I am a kde fanboy, so I want a kde integrated ide:-)
[18:12] <phnom> =)
[18:13] <uga> hunger: again,... vi works wonders on konsole
[18:13] <uga> fully k(onsole) integrated
[18:13] <uga> :P
[18:13] <hunger> uga: vi is not an ide. It is not even a editor :-)
[18:13] <uga> it's already ported to kde4's konsole! :P
[18:14] <uga> hunger: oh, the ide is plasma
[18:14] <uga> I forgot to tell you ;PO
[18:14] <hunger> aptitude update reports 31B/s:-(
[18:15] <uga> oh, I tried building kdevelop4, but ughmpf, I'm missing some weird dep
[18:15] <uga> CMake Error: KDevPlatform_DIR is not set
[18:15]  * uga wonders...
[18:15] <hunger> uga: kdevplatform is a module in kde svn.
[18:15] <uga> ah, I had missed that
[18:16] <hunger> uga: grab it by replacing kdevelop with kdevplatform in your svn-url.
[18:16] <uga> yeah thanks
[18:16] <hunger> uga: It's the code shared by kdevelop and quanta.
[18:16] <uga> I thought it'd come from kdesdk
[18:16] <hunger> uga: So did I when I first checked out kdevelop for kde4:-)
[18:17] <uga> I haven't even bothered so far
[18:17] <uga> I always use kate mostly, anyway
[18:18] <hunger> From what I heard they have improved the C++ parser. I am curious about that, but so far I have not managed to see that for myself:-(
[18:18] <uga> I still remember a guy asking me about programming... (he's not trained to coding), and he asked me what applications I used to create apps...
[18:18] <uga> I responded "notepad", so that he understood =)
[18:18] <uga> people think that coding is like drawing, more or less
[18:18] <hunger> uga: We in the free SW world are in stoneage when it comes to dev-tools:-(
[18:19] <uga> uh? it's not that bad
[18:19] <hunger> OTOH we know enough to not need better tools... but occassionally it would be nice to have some of the proprietary tools.
[18:20] <uga> I'm coding embedded systems right now, and in the past I've been doing pc coding with vc++ vs.net vb borland c++...
[18:20] <uga> all suck at some point
[18:20] <hunger> uga: Try Visual studio with all the proprietary UML tools that integrate into that, etc.
[18:20] <uga> oh, I dont' need UML :P
[18:21] <hunger> uga: I do not need it either, but it is nice to have since it can generate all the skeleton code;-)
[18:21]  * hunger heads of to dinner.
[18:21] <uga> hunger: we had all code autogenerated by some pragma tool for a project
[18:22] <uga> I almost vomit at it each time I see the generated code, since we need to fix it completely ;)
[18:22] <uga> hunger: code generation is usually okay... but ... updating the graphs after modifying the code really sucks ;))
[18:23] <uga> you never know the limitations of a new platform until you start using it
[18:23] <uga> and modelling helps, but... it's not perfect
[18:26] <hunger> uga: That is where some of the proprietary tools shine. They just import the code and generate the graphs from there.
[18:27] <uga> brrrrrr... kdev4 won't build... deprecated cmake macros
[18:27] <uga> hunger: all proprietary apps =)
[18:27] <uga> and some real good ones to analyse code and processes
[18:28] <uga> it could generate code in any language we pleased
[18:28] <hunger> and most annoying is IPC with D-Bus... never seen such a stupid IDL before.
[18:28] <uga> =)
[18:28] <uga> hunger: you sure love DCOM? =)
[18:29] <hunger> We are using D-Bus in a project of ours right now. My colleages thought I was kidding them when I introduced them to it.
[18:29] <hunger> uga: My coworkers in fact do.
[18:29] <uga> LOL
[18:29] <uga> dcom is scary for serious projects
[18:30] <uga> real crap when it goes out of control
[18:30] <hunger> So is D-Bus and CORBA.
[18:30] <uga> go dcop! :P
[18:30] <hunger> uga: It least dcop did not use such a shitty xml-based IDL that does not even know custom types.
[18:31] <uga> hehehe
[18:31] <hunger> Type (iubsssau) a couple of times and see how many typos you manage to build into that.
[18:32] <uga> what on earth... I checked out kdevelop around 5 mins ago
[18:32] <uga> now I svn up, and I get 100 directories A
[18:32] <uga> (and several U, of course)
[18:33] <uga> lol, and it started building!
[18:33] <uga> yepeee!
[18:33] <uga> almost done
[18:33] <uga> I love this new cpu ;)
[18:34] <uga> done
[18:34] <uga> only kdelibs used to take around 20 mins in my prev box iirc. Now I build the whole desktop from scratch in just 16 mins
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> wow!
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> Core 2 Duo?
[18:35] <uga> quad =)
[18:35] <uga> 2.4
[18:35] <uga> -j4 :P
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> ah! lol
[18:36] <hunger> uga: My laptop sucks... but in the office I can build with -j 24 on it using icecream;-)
[18:36] <uga> heh
[18:36]  * nosrednaekim , a AMD fanboi wants a Phenom
[18:40] <uga> hunger: I added 4gig ddr2 to it to complete the set
[18:40] <uga> custom board
[18:41] <uga> just went to pcbox, and said. I want _This_ mb, this memory, this cpu, this box, this...
[18:41] <uga> and then I was so lazy to mount it myself that I paid 40eur extra so they mounted it for me :P
[18:42] <uga> hunger: btw, kdev4 looks nice so far
[18:44] <uga> it's a shame it only creates qt4 qmake projects so far
[18:46] <uga> lol ujm,... build project doesn't do anything =)
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> hey...is it possible to use the Oxygen icon scheme in kde3?
[18:59] <uga> nosrednaekim: for those icons that match in names, yes
[18:59] <uga> else you'd need to rename them one by one to make them match
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> ewww :)
[19:03] <fdoving> i belive there are scripts somewhere on the web to do some of the renaming magically.
[19:03] <fdoving> i think i read something about that once.
[19:05] <uga> fdoving: http://opendevice.blogspot.com/2007/07/installing-new-oxygen-icons-under-kde-3.html
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> thanks!
[19:06] <uga> fdoving: this one even creates an installable theme
[19:06] <uga> but it's pretty old
[19:06] <SeanTater> I'm not sure how pertinent this is but this snapshot http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot6.png which is part of the "Upgrading from 7.04" section, is incorrect, and shows the wrong step.
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> lol.... this guy on #kubuntu goes "plasma isn't very kde3 friendly"
[19:07] <uga> he's a coder master, if he managed building it against kdelibs3
[19:07] <uga> (or kdelibs4 in a stupid deb naming scheme =))
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> he has kde4 installed;)
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> heh
[19:13] <_buz> plasma in general is not yet very friendly
[20:10] <hunger> How do I change the kdm to not display a list of users?
[20:25] <uga> hunger: kcontrol->system administration -> login manager->users tab, "show list"
[20:26] <uga> you can explicitly hide certain users too
[20:26]  * hunger grumbles. The checkbox is unticked, but I still get that damn list.
[20:27] <hunger> Maybe I need to reboot.
[20:27] <uga> just stop the kdm service and restart it
[20:27] <uga>  /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[20:27] <hunger> uga: I'm afraid that I'll loose my X session that way.
[20:27] <uga> hunger: you will
[20:27] <uga> but it's better than rebooting ;)
[20:27] <uga> reboot doesn't exist in the dictionary of a good linux sysadmin ;)
[20:28] <hunger> uga: I'm no longer trying.
[20:28] <uga> hunger: if you manage not loosing your X session when rebooting, please let me know how
[20:28] <hunger> uga: linux went so far down the windows way that rebooting does indeed help nowadays:-/
[20:28] <uga> it doesn't
[20:28] <uga> you just need force kdm reload the config
[20:29] <uga> you don't need to reboot at all
[20:29] <uga> hunger: nothing has changed in this sort of things for the last 7-8 years or so
[20:29] <hunger> uga: Oh, it does help. Unwedges that D-Bus mess...
[20:29] <uga> if the kernel breaks, of course
[20:29] <hunger> uga: Not wrt. X, that is true. But this NM-Hal-whatnot stuff keeps getting on my nerves.
[20:30] <hunger> It is even explicitly allowed to blow up when d-bus is restarted!
[20:30] <uga> I never said d-bus was good =)
[20:31] <uga> just like betamax vs vhs... betamax was better, but people preferred vhs
[20:31] <uga> just like zip drives vs other optical drives, they were worse, but people bought marketing
[20:31] <hunger> uga: D-Bus itself is not bad. It's just the stuff surrounding it.
[20:31] <uga> what will be next... blueray against... ? =)
[20:32] <hunger> and the developer side sucks as well, but that will get fixed in time.
[20:35] <_StefanS_> hunger: did the userlist go away ?
[20:36] <uga> he's on the dilemma: to reboot, or not to reboot. That's the question
[20:36] <_StefanS_> oh my
[20:36] <uga> I told him to restart the kdm service ;)
[20:37] <hunger> _StefanS_: Have not restarted kdm yet.
[20:37] <hunger> _StefanS_: starting up a different user does still show that list.
[20:38] <_StefanS_> hunger: its the userlist on kdm?
[20:38] <hunger> Yes.
[20:38] <_StefanS_> hunger: use kdmtheme, and will go away
[20:38] <_StefanS_> and it will
[20:38]  * uga mumbles something about kdmtheme... =)
[20:38] <_StefanS_> I know it works, I made the patch. You still need to restart kdm though due to the way ubuntu(debian) reads the config files
[20:39] <_StefanS_> there wasnt any other way of doing it.
[20:39] <uga> _StefanS_: kdmtheme sucks
[20:39] <uga> :P
[20:39] <hunger> _StefanS_: kdemsheme?
[20:39] <_StefanS_> uhm kdmtheme works fine here
[20:39] <uga> hunger: a too that was added to kdm so that it accepts gdm themes
[20:39] <_StefanS_> it changes the kdm theme.. should it be something else?
[20:39] <uga> _StefanS_: lol. the sucks thing was a joke =)
[20:40] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[20:40] <uga> some people will have caught why. Some others won't ;)
[20:40] <hunger> _StefanS_: I can't find it, that's why I am asking.
[20:40] <fdoving> hey, use /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings - change the second line to say /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu-no-userlist
[20:40] <fdoving> if you want to remove the userlist, that is.
[20:40] <_StefanS_> ^ thats what kdmtheme does too.
[20:40] <_StefanS_> your choice :)
[20:40] <fdoving> kdmtheme? what is that?
[20:40] <_StefanS_> fdoving: the screenshot it still wrong for the no userlist theme.. same picture :)
[20:41] <_StefanS_> it/is
[20:41] <_StefanS_> fdoving: just a kcm module
[20:41] <uga> _StefanS_: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/395
[20:41] <uga> _StefanS_: part of the story =)
[20:41] <fdoving> i didn't get the history of the discussion, i'll just go back to my other stuff. :)
[20:41] <_StefanS_> fdoving: I'll do that also in a moment
[20:41] <_StefanS_> fdoving: can you help me with some questions in regard to js/dhtml ?
[20:42] <_StefanS_> fdoving: got some wierd issues..
[20:42] <fdoving> _StefanS_: ouch,probably not. i'm not into web-things.
[20:42] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[20:42] <hunger> _StefanS_: Ok, changed. What do I need to get that read in?
[20:42] <_StefanS_> hunger: just restart kdm
[20:42] <uga> _StefanS_: I started off the kdm themer project =)
[20:43] <uga> with a new widget to render gdm themes
[20:43] <_StefanS_> uga: ah
[20:43] <uga> so yeah, it sucks ;))
[20:43] <_StefanS_> well back to my damned web programming..
[20:44] <_StefanS_> call that programming again..
[20:44] <_StefanS_> just anoying is what it is.
[20:44] <uga> it's fun when you got full rights to say that certain software sucks :P
[20:44] <_StefanS_> yep
[20:44] <_StefanS_> indeed... the svn version did have some quirks a while ago
[20:45] <uga> heh, you can't imagine how long it was taking me to render those proprely
[20:46] <uga> parsing the xml files... urgh
[20:46] <uga> I hate xml =)
[20:46] <uga> and then certain cases that didn't seem to be very well specced
[20:47] <uga> autolayouting too... I recall many discussions on the how to do that
[20:47] <uga> off-screen widgets etc
[20:48] <uga> _StefanS_: it's almost like an html renderer
[20:48] <_StefanS_> wow that must have been quite a task
[20:48] <uga> text, color, transparency, sections, groups, aligntment, focused colors...
[20:48] <_StefanS_> is it for kde4?
[20:48] <uga> _StefanS_: no, that's what the kdm themer does
[20:49] <uga> righ tnow in kde3
[20:49] <uga> it's the way gdm is specced
[20:49] <uga> I almost went nuts redering certain themes ;)
[20:50] <_StefanS_> uhm kdmtheme and kdm themer, is that the same program ? I'm getting a little confused
[20:50] <uga> yes, hehe. Just the naming =)
[20:50] <uga> I started it off as a widget called kdm themer
[20:50] <uga> whatever you call it nowadays ;)
[20:50] <uga> later other people polished and integrated into kdm
[20:51] <uga> the kdm maintainer isn't very gui-lover =))
[20:51] <_StefanS_> ahh
[20:51] <_StefanS_> now I get it
[20:51] <uga> anyway, I got to go... cya, and enjoy the night
[20:52] <_StefanS_> night
[21:16] <ScottK> Riddell: sftp with Konqueror seems substiantially snappier to me since the 3.5.8 upgrade.  Thanks for getting that out.
[21:17] <mlankhorst> kde4addons package is broken.
[21:17] <mlankhorst>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/renimagedlg.desktop', which is also in package kde4base-data
[21:41] <jjesse> ping nixternal
[21:42] <jjesse> flights delayed in chicago again :(
[21:44] <ScottK> It'd be news if they weren't delayed.
[21:44] <jjesse> that's why i'm glad i'm flying through chicago today
[21:45] <jjesse> flying through denver
[21:58] <jjesse> quick question for anyone going to uds-boston, do i just subscribe to the spec to go to the meetings or hwo does thatwork?
[22:29] <nixternal> jjesse: are you at o'hare now?
[22:30] <nixternal> jjesse: ahhh, we have very high winds...no storms though
[22:30] <nixternal> it is cold here
[22:30] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[22:30]  * nixternal cries for not being able to go to UDS
[22:31] <nixternal> thank god all of the school stuff is almost over with
[22:31] <nixternal> once that is over with, then I have to find a real job, but that means I will be going to every conference I am allowed in!
[22:34] <mhb> nixternal: yeah, well.
[22:35] <mhb> dont get me started
[22:35] <nixternal> heh
[22:36] <nixternal> I can't even get a few days off, let alone a visa :p
[22:38] <nixternal> Riddell: have you heard any success stories about Jambi in our repos?
[22:38] <Riddell> nixternal: not heard of anyone using it yet
[22:39] <Riddell> but you can install qtjambi-demo if you want to try it out
[22:39] <nixternal> hrmm, I am having problems running my Qt code with the repo version
[22:39] <Riddell> nixternal: does qtjambi-demo work?
[22:39] <nixternal> funny thing is everything validates fine, but it has a problem with QApplication.initialize(args) for some reason
[22:39]  * nixternal grabs the demo
[22:39] <Riddell> you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[22:40] <nixternal> to what?
[22:40] <Riddell> look in the wrapper in /usr/bin/qtjambi-demo
[22:40] <nixternal> I can't remember doing that for the binaries I pulled from trolltech..I could just very well be brain dead
[22:40] <mhb> nixternal: well, if you spend a lot of time filling forms correctly, if you paid to a country which just tells you you are not good enough for them, you might be more disappointed than you are now
[22:41] <nixternal> mhb: I served in the military for this country, which doesn't matter to them...so if you think they think you are not good enough, how do you think we feel?
[22:41] <nixternal> man, that was a lot of "think"s in one sentence
[22:41] <mhb> hehe... there will be a uds for both of us, I hope
[22:42] <nixternal> no doubt...I will see you in Europe :)
[22:43] <nixternal> I need to get over there for my daughter as well...I see how well my x-wife turned out by being raised in Europe, I don't think my daughter stands a chance with the idiots in this country
[22:43] <nixternal> I just seen on TV, 6th grade, which is middle school, around 11 years old, they are contemplating offering them birth control...wtf has this place come to
[22:44] <nixternal> damn Riddell, I /usr/lib/jni...I bet that is my problem
[22:44] <nixternal> err, s/I//
[23:30] <nixternal> argh, this is a pain...I can run the examples just fine, but can't run my own stuff...still getting those same errors
[23:33] <Riddell> nixternal: want me to try?
[23:33] <nixternal> Riddell: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtjambi-4.3.1_01/com/trolltech/qt/qtjambi-tutorial1.html
[23:33] <nixternal> I can't even get that to work for me
[23:33] <nixternal> the typical HelloWorld program
[23:42] <Riddell> hrm, I can't either
[23:43] <nixternal> I just joined the Jambi ML, waiting for the info to come back
[23:43] <nixternal> ok, so I know I am not going crazy
[23:44] <nixternal> it works in Mandrake, since that is the only other system that even has it available
[23:44] <nixternal> and the binary works from trolltech
[23:45] <Riddell> oh, got it
[23:45] <nixternal> I am going to try and rebuild the package here locall with java instead of that icedtea stuff
[23:46] <nixternal> oh?
[23:49] <Riddell> if I do apt-get source qtjambi
[23:49] <Riddell> cd qtjambi-4.3.1
[23:49] <Riddell> java -cp /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:/usr/share/java/qtjambi-demo.jar:. com.trolltech.examples.tutorial.HelloWorld
[23:49] <Riddell> that seems to work
[23:49] <Riddell> along with the two exports
[23:50] <Riddell> so there must be something there that needs to be installed
[23:52] <nixternal> so it works from the qtjambi source and not from a regular dir?
[23:54] <Riddell> yes
[23:56] <nixternal> yup, it sure does
[23:59] <Riddell> mandriva don't seem to have any extra files installed http://sophie.zarb.org/rpm/,i586/qtjambi#files