[00:00] <frb-screen> Xorg.0.log is for the Xorg server running on display :0
[00:00] <Omarian> DaSkreech: I did not activate one myself. Unless gutsy came with one turned on by default?
[00:00] <administrator> update manager isn't installing :(
[00:00] <DaSkreech> No shouldn't
[00:00] <Minataku> You need to use /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old if you've restarted X11 but need the log from the previous instance
[00:00] <DaSkreech> administrator: Are you on Ubuntu ?
[00:00] <moofoo> administrator: it's broken here too
[00:00] <frb-screen> !mirrors
[00:00] <Pasar> okay, i will try to get results for both old and new now :) thx
[00:01] <lee986321> the mirros aaare down
[00:01] <lee986321> I had to load with out them
[00:01] <LjL> !mirrors
[00:01] <boris_> is there good image reader
[00:01] <ubotwo> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[00:01] <DaSkreech> Gwenview ?
[00:01] <Omarian> DaSkreech: how do i go about reinstalling network card drivers?
[00:01] <John117> harald: four items were listed.
[00:01] <lee986321> oh eh the mirrors for the security thing that is..it froze my system
[00:01] <frb-screen> I'm having connectivity issues too
[00:01] <DaSkreech> Omarian: They should be in the kernel
[00:01] <PakoDeLeon> anybody? :(
[00:01] <frb-screen> I can't reach google
[00:02] <DaSkreech>  if ican ping it's own ip address then it's working
[00:02] <administrator> deskreech: no im gutsy but its the beta version
[00:02] <DaSkreech>  just need to figure out why it' can't see outside the machine
[00:02] <harald> John117: something like ath-hal wlan...
[00:02] <administrator> daskreech: im on gutsy but its beta versin
[00:02] <DaSkreech> Omarian: are the cables plugged in?
[00:02] <Umm> thanx Daskreech i got it it works x works now at my resolution that i needed
[00:02] <DaSkreech> !print
[00:02] <ubotwo> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[00:02] <John117> harald: ath_hal and wlan
[00:02] <harald> John117: what happens if you do sudo iwconfig
[00:02] <yeo_> Dolphin rocks!
[00:02] <Azzco> ..So when I upgrade with adept it should shutdown adept and open the upgrade thingy... nothing happens though...
[00:02] <DaSkreech> !final | administrator
[00:02] <ubotwo> administrator: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[00:02] <Omarian> DaSkreech: yes they are. i even plugged in a cable from a working machine
[00:03] <lee986321> whats in blue balzes is up with all tht is greyed out of all a sudden
[00:03] <Silveira_Neto> Where can I find instructions to upgrade from Kubuntu 7.04 to Kubuntu 7.10 ?
[00:03] <LjL> !upgrade
[00:03] <ubotwo> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:03] <Omarian> DaSkreech: lights on the nic are turned on
[00:03] <John117> harald lo no wireless extensions, eth0 no wireless extensions, wifi no wireless extensions. ath0 ieee 802.11g essid:"" Nickname:"" ect...
[00:03] <ubotu> benbread: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[00:04] <ScorpKing> what program can i use to create kommander scripts?
[00:04] <lee986321> waht in greves name..... why is fire fox greyed OPut !
[00:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:04] <harald> John117: do you see an ipaddress there?
[00:04] <Silveira_Neto> sorrym its here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[00:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:04] <John117> harald none.
[00:04] <Umm> Big Thanx Daskreech :D
[00:04] <ubotu> Umm: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:04] <administrator> ubotwo: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:04] <ubotwo> administrator: Error: "E:" is not a valid command.
[00:04] <clyde> does anyone know if a HP Pavilion 6730, 10GB hdd, 360MB ram, 600mhz processor strong enough to run Kubuntu 7.10?
[00:04] <John117> harald God i hate windows, but i sure miss my plug and play. LOL
[00:04] <DaSkreech> !aptfix | administrator
[00:04] <ubotwo> administrator: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:04] <harald> John117: culd you do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[00:05] <lee986321> wht the....why in heavens are things greyed out? like fire fox, and java 1.4?
[00:05] <ScorpKing> clyde: it might but it will be slow tho.
[00:05] <harald> I'm just grasping from memory here since I have such a card but it's currently no longer installed :-)
[00:05] <John117> harald "no such device"
[00:05] <administrator> ubotwo: http://pastebin.com/mabef4a3
[00:05] <ubotwo> administrator: Error: "http://pastebin.com/mabef4a3" is not a valid command.
[00:05] <pope> is there away to cancel installation via apt-get?
[00:05] <clyde> would more ram help? or do I need a faster processor?
[00:05] <administrator> ubotwo: read mine
[00:05] <ubotwo> administrator: Error: "read" is not a valid command.
[00:05] <ScorpKing> clyde: mine is 640MHz 320MB RAM and i run feisty fine
[00:05] <LjL> administrator: you don't get that ubotwo is a bot, do you?
[00:06] <harald> john117 sorry try the older name: sudo ifconfig ath0 up
[00:06] <clyde> thank you...
[00:06] <lee986321> 	firefox
[00:06] <Omarian> DaSkreech: should i try a reinstall at this point?
[00:06] <ScorpKing> clyde: make sure you have enough swap space - like 1GB or so
[00:06] <lee986321> !firefox
[00:06] <ubotwo> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[00:06] <DaSkreech> Omarian: If you don't want to fiddle with it
[00:06] <John117> harald okay..  it didn't give me anything.. just went back to the terminal prompt.
[00:07] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i would much rather fiddle with it. don't know what else i can do though?
[00:07] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i want to learn it
[00:07] <DaSkreech> Omarian: can the other machines ping it ?
[00:07] <luma> hello
[00:07] <pope> i started a download that is taking forever, and woul like to cancel the installation so i may use adept. But i don't know how to terminate a download initiated in konsole
[00:07] <harald> john117 could you do sudo ifconfig
[00:07] <luma> can someone help me please?
[00:07] <Omarian> DaSkreech: no
[00:07] <harald> John117: look for your ath0 card in the list
[00:07] <DaSkreech> !ask | luma
[00:07] <ubotwo> luma: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:08] <moofoo> so nobody can help me with the broken update scripts?! :-(
[00:08] <DaSkreech> pope: ctrl+C
[00:08] <luma> me upgrade is broken too
[00:08] <luma> :(
[00:08] <John117> harald Alot of info.  What am i looking for?
[00:08] <DaSkreech> pope: that kills anything in console
[00:08] <administrator> fuck you
[00:08] <luma> from kubuntu 7.04 to 7.10
[00:08] <administrator> bot
[00:08] <administrator> anyways
[00:08] <DaSkreech> !ohmy | administrator
[00:08] <ubotwo> administrator: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:08] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[00:08] <seriekrock> !compiz
[00:08] <ubotwo> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:08] <harald> John117: it starts with the names of cards like lo and eth0, you're looking for "ath0"
[00:08] <seriekrock> !compiz fusion
[00:08] <John117> harald okay.. i see that.
[00:08] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[00:09] <seriekrock> how do i activate compiz fusion in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[00:09] <harald> John117: ok good now do sudo ifup ath0
[00:09] <ubotu> luma: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:09] <luma>  i am upgrading me kubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10
[00:09] <ubotu> administrator: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:09] <pope> nope, ctrl+c didn't do it.  It still tells me that it can't get a lock
[00:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:09] <luma> now its installing the updates
[00:09] <luma> @ 22 % (configure xdpyinfo) it froze
[00:10] <Azzco> When I get here: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot8.png , Shoulkd I just click OK and everything is automatic or do I have to shut down adept myself?
[00:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz fusion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:10] <John117> harald "ignoring unknown interface ath0 = ath0
[00:10] <charlesg3> how can I add an application to the startup process?
[00:10] <DaSkreech> Omarian: sudo iptables --list and pastebin
[00:10] <DaSkreech> !aptfix | pope
[00:10] <harald> is there a pastebin somewhere on this server?
[00:10] <charlesg3> I need it to load after I login to ubuntu
[00:10] <seriekrock> hmm that guide was for feisty
[00:11] <DaSkreech> Azzco: Should be autoamtic
[00:11] <DaSkreech> !paste | harald
[00:11] <luma> if i close the upgrade my system is half destoyed
[00:11] <John117> harald that sounds odd.
[00:11] <Omarian> DaSkreech: all chains are blank. there are no entries, just headers for the columns
[00:11] <Azzco> DaSkreech: It isn't =(
[00:11] <DaSkreech> !autostart | charlesg3
[00:11] <ubotu> pope: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:11] <harald> John117: you may still need to configure it open /etc/network/interfaces in your favorite editor
[00:11] <harald> john as root so prefix with sudo
[00:11] <DaSkreech> Omarian: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[00:12] <ubotu> harald: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:12] <ubotu> charlesg3: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[00:12] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i tried that too. no luck
[00:12] <lee986321> what the...whats goin on with the ad remove  features?
[00:12] <Pasar> DaSkreech: I get this line twice: "EE  AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable"
[00:12] <MidMark> how can I disable xgl?
[00:12] <DaSkreech> tracepath 10.220.0.1
[00:12] <John117> harald it said it could not be loaded. impossible to read from it.   I was using Kate
[00:13] <luma> has someone an idea to finsih my upgrade without closing it?
[00:13] <Omarian> DaSkreech: tracepath ... 1. send failed. Resume pmtu 65535
[00:13] <ScorpKing> what program can i use to create kommander scripts?
[00:13] <wikipedia> hi
[00:13] <ScorpKing> hehe. hi wikipedia!
[00:13] <harald> John117: open a terminal do sudo kate, then open it
[00:13] <wikipedia> ?
[00:14] <John117> harald okay got it.
[00:14] <harald> John117: you probably still need to paste in something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41136/
[00:14] <slaugh> !info gDesklets
[00:14] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[00:14] <harald> John117:  you'll need to adapt your network name and if necessary wepkey used (if you don't use wep just leave that key part out)
[00:14] <John117> harald okay.. i have opened it.  2 lines.    auto lo and iface lo inet loopback
[00:15] <John117> I use a wep.. where do i type it? what syntax?
[00:15] <Umm> Bye all
[00:15] <John117> harald i use wep.. Where do I type it in here. what format?
[00:15] <harald> John117: I can't tell you your wep key, it's a secret key :-(
[00:15] <DaSkreech> luma: Where did it close ?
[00:15] <John117> harald i know that.
[00:15] <DaSkreech> Omarian: Oh wow
[00:15] <DaSkreech> harald: kdesu kate
[00:15] <John117> harald but nothing in here tells me where to type it.  do i type wep=eebcere or whatever?
[00:15] <lee__> why is kts greyed out? infact why is a great number of hings greyd out?
[00:16] <DaSkreech> !wep | John117
[00:16] <ubotu> John117: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:16] <harald> john117 I'll give you an example like has been used here 1 sec
[00:16] <luma> it is frozen
[00:16] <Pasar> DaSkreech: any ideas? i dont even know what DRI is..
[00:16] <luma> at 22% "configure xdpyinfo"
[00:16] <John117> daskreech thanks man.. but that is ubuntu. it looks nothing like this.  :-/
[00:17] <Omarian> DaSkreech: that is the content of iptables on a machine that has internet working too though
[00:17] <DaSkreech> !dri
[00:17] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[00:17] <harald> John117: like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41137/
[00:18] <DaSkreech> luma:
[00:18] <jonasp> hey, kopete is crashing when connecting to an msn account after an upgrade to 7.10
[00:18] <Pasar> so can i get kubuntu to work if my screen doesnt support it?
[00:18] <DaSkreech> kill it then run sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:18] <Pasar> ubuntu 7.04 was running all fine
[00:18] <Omarian> DaSkreech: it's so weird because it was working on 7.04. Was recognized out of the box. DHCP worked fine and such
[00:18] <blendtux> could somebody tell me what port 730 netviewdb2 is
[00:18] <harald> john117 don't copy that verbatim, just look at the format :-)
[00:18] <harald> jonasp there's a fix for that look in the forum
[00:19] <DaSkreech> jonasp: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[00:19] <jonasp> okay perfekt thanks
[00:19] <luma> mhh if adept works fine
[00:19] <luma> but i guess it wont
[00:19] <John117> harald thanks..  I'll try and come back if more problems.  It seems like as advanced as all this is, it should be able to auto detect everything. like windoze
[00:19] <DaSkreech> luma: it should
[00:19] <gerardo_> join #kubuntu gerardo__
[00:20] <harald> john117 it should.. as long as it gets the correct key it will if it's set up like most people do :-)
[00:20] <ScorpKing> John117: take a look at wifi-radar for encrypted wireless connections.
[00:20] <luma> okay i will try it :S thx
[00:20] <John117> scorpking what wifi-radar?
[00:21] <harald> john117 but just paste the first in and leave out the wireless_key part, if then you can do sudo up ath0 it should at least give you an ip-address for ath0 when you do sudo ifconfig ath0
[00:21] <ScorpKing> John117: it's a program like networkmanager but it makes WEB and such connections easy.
[00:21] <luma> fuck!! i cant start adept normally :(
[00:21] <frb> can I remove NetworkManager?
[00:21] <luma>  fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a doesnt work
[00:21] <LjL> !language
[00:21] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:21] <slaugh> !info mc
[00:21] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2058 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[00:21] <zeemon> hi guys
[00:22] <DaSkreech> luma: missing a sudo
[00:22] <luma> i am already root
[00:22] <ScorpKing> hiya zeemon!
[00:22] <John117> okay.. i'll try.  gtg.. thanks guys.
[00:22] <luma> su root
[00:22] <zeemon> ^^
[00:22] <Ace2016> Hi all
[00:22] <ScorpKing> hi Ace2016!
[00:22] <harald> hello Ace
[00:23] <zeemon> Is it relative safe do the upgrading today? ^^
[00:23]  * ScorpKing is the doorman. greating everyone and making them feel at home... :P
[00:23] <Ace2016> whenever kubuntu gusty turns on it turns the screen black, the lcd birghtness goes down to an EXTREMELY low level, if i boot vista after guessing my way through the maze of boot loader stuff then vista increases the brightness back to a safe level
[00:23] <frb> you didn't greet me, meanie
[00:23] <frb> bad ScorpKing , no bacon
[00:23] <harald> zeemon: it works perfectly here but I did a fresh install
[00:23] <DaSkreech> zeemon: nope
[00:23] <ScorpKing> hello frb!
[00:24] <DaSkreech> zeemon: Servers are dying under the requests
[00:24] <Ace2016> in short how do i remove all control of the backlight of the laptop lcd from linux/kde
[00:24] <zeemon> ok, I'll wait then ^^
[00:24] <luma> mhh now it seems to work well :) :) :)
[00:24] <luma> yippy
[00:24] <ScorpKing> lol
[00:24] <Azzco> Okay so what do I need to do to manually upgrade to gutsy?
[00:25] <Azzco> change in sources.list?
[00:25] <DaSkreech> Azzco: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[00:25] <zeemon> I´ll do a fresh install
[00:26] <Azzco> You're the man DaSkreech
[00:26] <wikipedia> you don't need to be a man
[00:26] <wikipedia> you need to be human
[00:26] <Ace2016> imagine this, you boot into a fresh install of kubuntu, the second you login the screen goes black, and i'm like omg omg omg omg omg omg!!! and i reboot and the hp logo comes up nice and bright but then it goes black when it talks about grub, then the same when it goes into bios and so i'm panicing even more, that has to be the scariest thing that has every happened ever!
[00:27] <Omarian> DaSkreech: is it worth upgrading to 7.10 from 7.04 right now? what more does 7.10 come with that 7.04 doesn't have?
[00:27] <Ace2016> imagine if a noob installed kubuntu, wonder what they would have done
[00:27] <Azzco> Ace2016: kept it ;)
[00:28] <Ace2016> well its there but i don't know how to boot back to it without the screen going black again
[00:28] <zeemon> new stuff http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[00:28] <thomas_> its a homework questiono i need help with: type a command that will create a file that contains a list of all the files in a directory and its sub-directories
[00:28] <winbond> are all the codecs working now in 64bit gutsy?
[00:28] <zeemon> missing KDE 4 :(
[00:28] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[00:29] <letalis> is it possible to burn an iso onto a flashdrive? all i got are cd-r's and i dont really want to waste one :)
[00:29] <DaSkreech> thomas_: ##linux
[00:29] <DaSkreech> !nocd
[00:29] <winbond> is the next release gonna have kde4?
[00:29] <DaSkreech> winbond: No 8.10
[00:29] <Ace2016> e.g if the dir is /home/ace/ then i'd do a sudo updatedb and type locate /home/ace/ and that'd show all the files and then locate /home/ace/ > list.txt or something like that, anyone know a faster way?
[00:30] <winbond> DaSkreech, so thats the next one after the next one?
[00:30] <DaSkreech> winbond: yes
[00:30] <Omarian> DaSkreech: is it worth upgrading to 7.10 from 7.04 right now? what more does 7.10 come with that 7.04 doesn't have?
[00:30] <winbond> DaSkreech, thats about a year from now, right?
[00:30] <frb> Ace2016: find /home/ace > somefile.txt
[00:30] <tazgodx> how can i make it so that when your in one desktop you don't see windows that are open in other desktops?
[00:30] <DaSkreech> Omarian: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[00:30] <DaSkreech> winbond: yes
[00:31] <frb> !ati
[00:31] <winbond> DaSkreech, ok, thanks, do u use 64bit os?
[00:31] <DaSkreech> winbond: no
[00:31] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i looked at that earlier today. don't know the specifics though. is 7.10 that much better?
[00:31] <beazel> Can anyone help me to install ksynaptics?  I can't seem to find it through the package manager...
[00:32] <ScorpKing> i've installed kommander. how do i run it?
[00:32] <jonasp> hallo, i get an error during X startup - (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available - which causes dri to stop working
[00:32] <DaSkreech> Omarian: Enough but not like wowie better
[00:32] <iss_student> I am glad that 7.10 came out it has much improved wireless I can actually connect to wireless
[00:32] <iss_student> #
[00:32] <iss_student> # Cli
[00:32] <frb> !fglrx
[00:32] <SteamMachine> Hi all, I have a few questions.
[00:32] <zeemon> *downloading alternate .iso* -.-
[00:32] <zeemon> torrent of course
[00:33] <DaSkreech> zeemon: smart. Don't forget to seed
[00:33] <ScorpKing> !ask | SteamMachine
[00:33] <Omarian> DaSkreech: i am just trying to figure out if i should upgrade at this point or not
[00:33] <SteamMachine> Firstly, how do I resize from the command line.
[00:33] <DaSkreech> Omarian: I'd say wait a week for the server load to cool off
[00:33] <Ace2016> resize what?
[00:33] <beazel> Got all else working (much quicker than normal) but can't figure out Adept.
[00:34] <jonasp> frb, do you mean me - "<frb> !fglrx" ?
[00:34] <ScorpKing> ubotu: are you broken?
[00:34] <Ace2016> beazel: well install synaptic
[00:34] <frb> jonasp: no
[00:34] <jonasp> ok ;)
[00:34] <DaSkreech> SteamMachine: parted
[00:34] <frb> jonasp: I have an ATI card too, and I want compiz, so I need fglrx
[00:34] <Omarian> DaSkreech. OK
[00:34] <SteamMachine> Yes
[00:34] <jonasp> well depends on your card
[00:34] <SteamMachine> But specifically, how?
[00:34] <DaSkreech> !adept
[00:34] <lee986321> 32 bit version has fire fox an 64 bit can't get it?
[00:35] <Omarian> DaSkreech: BTW is there a way to change the resolution of the login screen...that seems to be set at a different resolution from the desktop?
[00:35] <tazgodx> how come when i have compiz start, it doubles my active desktops. but like desktop 1 and 2 are the same ones,a nd 3 and 4 are the same ones?
[00:35] <beazel> ace2016: Got synaptic all set, the pad works... just can't find KSynaptics on the package list
[00:35] <ck42> my adept fetch update is stuck at 99%.  HOw do I find out which repo it's getting hung up on?
[00:35] <tazgodx> or 1 and 3, and 2 and 4
[00:35] <Ace2016> why not just use the alternative installer to resize it?
[00:35] <DaSkreech> Omarian: Not sure never stared at it too long
[00:35] <lee986321> as is miine
[00:35] <beazel> Maybe I'm missing a repository or two?
[00:36] <winbond> are all the codecs working fine now in 64bit gutsy?
[00:36] <frb> ok, the new adept is impressive
[00:36] <DaSkreech> !repos | beazel
[00:36] <ck42> It's not been a problem except for today when I'm trying to upgrade to .10
[00:36] <lee986321> the repositry is like totally al but greyd out
[00:36] <zeemon> annoying bug that duplicated desktops
[00:36] <lee986321> all the use full stuffs gone
[00:37] <lee986321> it deleted my  fire fox plugins too
[00:37] <frb> what's the ubuntu method of configuring X?
[00:37] <ck42> I've got a CD burned.  Is there an option to use the CD to upgrade an existing FF install?
[00:37] <beazel> DaSkreech: I'm not sure I understand...
[00:37] <frb> like suse has SaX2
[00:37] <xevious> to redefine KDEDIRS, i put a script in ~/.kde/env, that includes the line export KDEDIRS=path1:path2, correct? do i need to quote everything after the =?
[00:37] <DaSkreech> beazel: you will when the robot wakes up
[00:37] <ck42> telemail.fi ended up giving an error
[00:38] <ck42> ...now it's just sitting there looking stoopid
[00:38] <beazel> Now I'm even more confused...
[00:38] <shadowhywind> hay all having an issue with doing the upgrade, I keep getting this error "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz" any ideas?
[00:38] <lee986321> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg
[00:38] <harald> ck42 add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]/ gutsy main restricted
[00:38] <ck42> will do harald.  thnx
[00:38] <frb> shadowhywind: easy, ubuntu.com is overloaed
[00:38] <harald> ck42: that'll let you upgrade from the cd, but don't forget to adapt your other repository links as well
[00:39] <lee986321> everythings failing
[00:39] <xevious> i think there's a cdromupgrade script in the root of that cd too
[00:39] <shadowhywind> is that just the issue? just overworked
[00:39] <ScorpKing> !info kommander
[00:39] <frb> yep, I switched to a mirror and downloaded at 2M/sec
[00:39] <lee986321> try clicking on that link
[00:39] <ubuntu> !abuse | ScorpKing
[00:39] <ck42> ah..the adept fetch is going again LOL
[00:39] <thomas_> homework question: write a command to erase all files in a directory whose names begin with test and end with a capital letter
[00:39] <lee986321> ?
[00:39] <lee986321> what did you do scrp lol
[00:39] <NickPresta> I should've waited to update to Gutsy. 12 hours and I'm only 60% done =(
[00:39] <hydrogen> homework answer: rtfm in another channel
[00:39] <ScorpKing> ubuntu: :P the bot is gone.
[00:40] <ubuntu> :O
[00:40] <frb> thomas_: rm test*[A-Z], but watch out for locale issues, and do your own homework
[00:40] <ubuntu> not true
[00:40] <ubuntu> :O
[00:40] <ScorpKing> lol. it's not talking to me. :(
[00:40] <thomas_> frb: lol i am, but i'm having trouble
[00:40] <lee986321> what is going on with the repositorys?
[00:40] <Omarian> DaSkreech: is there anything else that i can try to get my internet working?
[00:40] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta: :P
[00:41] <NickPresta> thomas_, most of the time, when someone is having trouble, they attempt the problem and post what they have thus far. Then they ask specific questions to help them move past their problem :)
[00:41] <lee986321> try complimenting ubuntu
[00:41] <frb> so back to the important question, short of vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf, how do I confgure X in kubuntu 7.10?
[00:41] <beazel> I got a feeling my Synaptirs problem might be due to overloaded servers now...
[00:41] <harald> NickPresta: but that costs precious Halo time when you can just have someone else solve it for you :P
[00:42]  * ScorpKing wonders how to run kommander...
[00:42] <NickPresta> harald, I just finished playing H3, actually :P
[00:42] <Omarian> harald: yeah...but then what about their time?
[00:42] <apollo2011> I am assuming I can't update my repos because the servers are getting hit pretty hard. How do I set up a mirror in my repository list?
[00:42] <harald> I never played that game ever :P
[00:42] <lee986321> !burp
[00:42] <thomas_> NickPresta: ok will do
[00:43] <lee986321> just had to try lol
[00:43] <NickPresta> apollo2011, normally you would open adept, go to Manage Repositories, and then find the section where you can add a mirror.
[00:43] <NickPresta> I'm not sure if all the mirrors have been updated with Gutsy. I didn't want to take the chance so I used the official Canadian Mirror
[00:43] <Omarian> how do you change the default browser in kubuntu?
[00:43] <lee986321> ijust tried to force run a script
[00:43] <thunder-storm> hey guys
[00:44] <lee986321> and it sai something java something locked
[00:44] <NickPresta> hey, thunder-storm
[00:44] <frb> grrr, my console is unusable, and I need to fix my Xserver
[00:44] <harald> Omarian: go to your kde menu > system settings > default applications
[00:44] <NickPresta> frb, due to the Gutsy update?
[00:44] <thunder-storm> i'm a user from germany and have a lot of problems with the upgrade procedure
[00:44] <frb> NickPresta: fresh install, X works as vesa, but I want to use fglx and Xgl
[00:44] <Omarian> harald: thanks, i knew i had seen it somewhere
[00:45] <NickPresta> thunder-storm, if you prefer, you can find german specific help in #kubuntu-de, although your English seems fine so we can assist you here if you like
[00:45] <thunder-storm> thank you, i know that channel :-)
[00:45] <beazel> Yup, my own fault, couldn't find it on the list as there was no list.  Lots of Noob mistakes today as I've just come over from Fedora.
[00:45] <Jucato> frb: you need the restricted/proprietary drivers for your video card. if you're on gutsy, you can use the restricted manager in System Settings
[00:46] <thunder-storm> i will give a hint @all: DON'T use adept to upgrade from feisty
[00:46] <NickPresta> thunder-storm, ah okay, just checking :) What seems to be the problem with the upgrade?
[00:46] <Jucato> thunder-storm: why?
[00:46] <zeemon> frb reboot in safe mod
[00:46] <beazel> Updated headers and bang, there it is.
[00:46] <MetaMorfoziS> thunder-storm > don't use adept for anything.
[00:46] <frb> I managed to do it
[00:46] <ScorpKing> i've installed kommander. how do i run it?
[00:46] <frb> I simply switched vesa for fglrx in xorg.conf
[00:46] <MetaMorfoziS> if you want good for yourself:D
[00:46] <frb> !Xgl
[00:46] <harald> apollo2011: you could just prefix the repository urls, like this "deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates main restricted"   I'm in belgium(.be) our repositories didn't seem to be very busy I could download at about 450K/sec, my connection's topspeed :-)
[00:46] <NickPresta> I'm updating to Gutsy from Adept and it's going fine, albeit slow (not due to Adept though)...
[00:46] <frb> the bot hates me
[00:47] <NickPresta> frb, the bot is gone :)
[00:47] <MetaMorfoziS> NickPresta > you have luck
[00:47] <thunder-storm> i've do an upgrade according to the offical how-to on ubuntu.com
[00:47] <beazel> Just out of interest, does anyone else here type Dvorak?
[00:47] <frb> blown away by the storm in washington?
[00:47] <ScorpKing> frb: the bot is taking a nap. :P
[00:47] <Jucato> thunder-storm: hm.. could it be because you're following the instructions for ubuntu and not kubuntu?
[00:47] <NickPresta> beazel, I am actually going to switch this weekend. I want to try it
[00:47] <MetaMorfoziS> adept is useless btw, that hurts me but this is true:(
[00:47] <thunder-storm> it fails, adept crash after 5% of configuration
[00:47] <ck42> OK...adept finished the fetch, but the "full upgrade" button is greyed out.  instructions said to click on that to do the upgrade
[00:47] <harald> adept worked very well here, but my adept is from a fresh 7.10 install :-/
[00:48] <thunder-storm> jucato: oh no, i use the howto strictly for kubuntu
[00:48] <Jucato> MetaMorfoziS: unfortunately for the upgrade to gutsy, adept makes more checks to ensure a proper upgrade than simply using apt-get
[00:48] <beazel> Took me about a month, I'm still bad.  get KTouch!
[00:48] <thunder-storm> but - thats not the main problem
[00:48] <apollo2011> harald: yeah thanks, thats what I was thinking I would have to do but wasn't sure how to exactly edit the urls. Although now I found in Adept how you can have it select a mirror from a list. (Lucky! I am lucky to get 150Kbps ;-P
[00:48] <Jucato> thunder-storm: ok can you tell me what've you've done so far and what happened?
[00:48] <thunder-storm> i will try it ;-)
[00:48] <NickPresta> ck42, run: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" QUOTES ARE IMPORTANT
[00:48] <Shaezsche> how can i change the default boot!?! i tried editing the line that says "default 0" to 5 and 6, but this didnt work
[00:48] <harald> apollo2011: just open /etc/apt/sources.list as root with any editor
[00:48] <thunder-storm> i have done a fresh blank install of 7.10
[00:48] <thunder-storm> it works fine - BUT...
[00:49] <Jucato> but... ?
[00:49] <thunder-storm> then i try to install a lot of new software from the original gutsy-repo's
[00:49] <Omarian> later guys. thanks for your help
[00:49] <thunder-storm> open office, firefox, java and so far
[00:50] <Shaezsche> hello? how can i change the default boot os?
[00:50] <thunder-storm> now i have hundreds of error-messages
[00:50] <apollo2011> harald, NickPresta: Looks like the easynews server in Virginia is pretty quck and browsing to it in Firefox shows they have gutsy so i'll try going with that...
[00:50] <Jucato> btw, there's "kubuntu-restricted-extras" now to take care of most codecs/plugins needs (except w32codecs and DVD)
[00:50] <NickPresta> Shaezsche, I don't understand what you mean? Change which OS is the default (Windows, Kubuntu, etc?) or change the runlevel?
[00:50] <sub[t]rnl> !grub | Shaezsche
[00:50] <Jucato> thunder-storm: what kind of error messages?
[00:50] <thunder-storm> similar: dpkg: Zu viele Fehler, stoppe hier...
[00:50] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: no bot
[00:50] <Shaezsche> i want windows to be default NickPresta
[00:50] <thunder-storm> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue: Assertion `!queuelen' failed.
[00:50] <Shaezsche> in grub
[00:50] <sub[t]rnl> Jucato: kk
[00:51] <Jucato> or rather, hammered
[00:51] <thunder-storm> Aborted (core dumped)
[00:51] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[00:51] <NickPresta> Shaezsche, the file you must edit is /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[00:51] <thunder-storm> and so far - WITH STANDARD-Software
[00:51] <frb> oh bother
[00:51] <harald> Shaezsche: you have to adapt /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:51] <Shaezsche> NickPresta i did that
[00:51] <ck42> NickPresta: that seems to have done the trick.  appreciate that!
[00:51] <Shaezsche> default 0
[00:51] <Shaezsche> changed to 5 and 6
[00:51] <Shaezsche> nothing happened
[00:51] <thunder-storm> sudo apt-get -f install and sudo dpkg --configure -a dont work
[00:52] <frb> the Xgl guide I found says NOT to use it on gutsy
[00:52]  * sub[t]rnl sniffs sadly
[00:52] <Shaezsche> tutorial on adapting grub/menu/lst?
[00:52] <frb> *cry* I want bling
[00:52] <thunder-storm> now i have a crashed system with alot of errors and dont know, what i can do
[00:52] <Shaezsche> i dont know what to edit
[00:52] <Jucato> thunder-storm: weird.. I've never had trouble installing software on gutsy....
[00:52] <Jucato> frb: could you please ask in #ubuntu-effects what would be the proper procedure for that?
[00:53] <thunder-storm> that is, i dont understand: on the same configuration on my notebook (same software & config, but with gnome) i have no problems
[00:53] <brandon> can you install from ubuntu iso and then apt-get kubuntu and end up with the same exact system as if you had installed from the kubuntu iso????
[00:53] <boubbin> !compiz
[00:53] <harald> brandon no you'll have a lot of extra gnome files :P
[00:53] <Jucato> brandon: you'll end up with ubuntu + kubuntu
[00:53] <thunder-storm> i think, kubuntu is not already supported enough...
[00:54] <Jucato> thunder-storm: the packages you are trying to install is the same for ubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, etc.
[00:54] <Jucato> so it doesn't matter if you're running kubuntu
[00:54] <brandon> Jucato: that's fine.  and it works vice-versa right?  you can get to ubuntu via the kubuntu iso???
[00:54] <thunder-storm> thats correct, jucato
[00:54] <blendtux> where is the url for downloading the iso torrent
[00:54] <harald> thunder-storm I installed those exact same packages about 2 hours ago... works fine here is all I can say
[00:54] <Jucato> brandon: yep
[00:54] <boubbin> how do i use compiz in gutsy  ?
[00:55] <Jucato> boubbin: um... could you try #ubuntu-effects
[00:55] <ubuntu> !help
[00:55] <harald> thunder-storm: do you get any specific recurring errors?
[00:55] <ubuntu> http://i22.tinypic.com/hukepf.gif <--- ubuto loves me
[00:55] <thunder-storm> hm - i'm work with kubuntu still dapper - and i have never seen this problems before
[00:55] <thunder-storm> a lot of configuration errors, hundred's
[00:56] <thunder-storm> all in one dpkg-errors
[00:56] <harald> thunder-storm: could you maybe paste some of  the error in the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[00:56] <brandon> tougher question:  can you do a dist-upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10, putting i386 version over the amd64 version?
[00:57] <harald> brandon I wouldn't do that: I'd do a fresh install or upgrade to 7.10_amd64
[00:57] <thunder-storm> harald: i will try it - but tomorrow, we have here now 2:00 AM and i must sleep - my day begins in a few hours
[00:57] <NickPresta> would it be advisable to `kill` my distribution upgrade process and adjust my sources.list to a new mirror (faster) and then start the distribution upgrade again?
[00:58] <harald> thunder-storm: same here I'm in belgium, good night and good luck
[00:58] <thunder-storm> thank you ;-)
[00:58] <NickPresta> the upgrade is at the 'fetching the upgrades' stage - nothing has been done to my system yet, except for the packages being downloaded, correct?
[00:58] <harald> NickPresta: yes
[00:58] <ck42> woohoo! My upgrade has begun >:)
[00:59] <NickPresta> I might just kill this upgrade. The idea of waiting 1 day, 17 hours and 18 minutes is not desirable =P
[00:59] <Jucato> heh you prefer a fresh install?
[00:59] <ck42> heheh....you would not be a good Gentoo candidate lol
[00:59] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta: shoulda beat the rush. :P
[00:59] <halycon> hey everyone
[01:00] <NickPresta> ck42, I think I'm an okay candidate - I waited almost a day to compile my kernel and such on my box downstairs :P
[01:00] <Jucato> but it's a one-time deal only... in Gentoo... it's normal :)
[01:00] <harald> not even recompiling glibc on my old pentium 100 running gentoo here takes me a day :p
[01:00] <hitorikanai> !print
[01:00] <hitorikanai> :P
[01:00] <NickPresta> well, I think I'm going to kill this upgrade. If anything goes wrong, I'm blaming you Jucato :)
[01:00] <ck42> NickPresta: A whole day!!??  you running that poor box on a 486 or something LOL
[01:00] <NickPresta> ck42, 233 ;)
[01:00] <ck42> ouch!
[01:01] <Jucato> ck42: the 1 day +++ is just for downloading :)
[01:01] <halycon> Does anyone have any experience with LIRC im having problems configuring the hardware.conf file
[01:01] <Jucato> the actual installation of the downloads takes minutes/hours
[01:01]  * seriekrock is away: Borta för tillfället.
[01:01] <ck42> Jucato: well....the system is usable in the meantime though, right?
[01:01] <Jucato> !away > away
[01:01] <Jucato> ck42: yep
[01:01] <hitorikanai> HI everyone I have problems with my printer... if somebody can help me... pliz... I have a canon ip1300 I saw the log in ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3450617@ but still doesn't work
[01:01]  * away is back.
[01:01] <Jucato> at least until it starts installing
[01:02] <Jucato> seriekrock: please turn off your public away messages
[01:02] <slaugh> anyone here has a problem with flash in the web browsers ? (gibbon), I've installed almost everything from repos that contains word "flash" and nothing happens at all :/
[01:02] <ck42> blast you file 70 of 74!!  hurry up!
[01:02] <seriekrock> hmm ok sorry
[01:02] <Omarian> i just installed kdmtheme in kubuntu and am not able to make any changes to it. when i go to system settings it asks me to click administrator mode but i do not see an Administrator button
[01:02] <seriekrock> slaugh: 64 bit?
[01:02] <slaugh> yes
[01:03] <dorkface> Is there a way to go to a terminal session without using the "ctrl+alt+f*" method?
[01:03] <seriekrock> slaugh: flash isnt 64 bit, you have to fix it, but i dont know how, there is a way, but dont know how
[01:03] <Jucato> dorkface: um.. not that I know of. no
[01:03] <slaugh> seriekrock: ok thanks
[01:04] <hydrogen> dorkface: I think there is a command.. I don't recall what it is though
[01:04] <hydrogen> chvt maybe?
[01:04] <hitorikanai> :/
[01:04] <Omarian> dorkface: do you mean how to open a terminal console/
[01:04] <hitorikanai> noone?
[01:04] <bwayne> nsplugin-wrapper?
[01:04] <dorkface> Because, I had just rebooted my laptop.  And after a while, for some reason, my keyboard absolutely stopped working
[01:04] <dorkface> my touchpad worked fine
[01:04] <dorkface> but I could type NOTHING
[01:04] <hydrogen> yea
[01:04] <hydrogen> as root
[01:04] <hydrogen> chvt
[01:04] <hydrogen> that doesn't help you though
[01:04] <dorkface> not even virtual keyboard would work
[01:04] <Jucato> he can't type anything :)
[01:04] <hydrogen> if your keyboards dead
[01:05] <leexgx> i trying to get my windows computer to acces my ubuntu pc (did samba)
[01:05] <dorkface> but after another reboot, the keyboard works fine
[01:05] <Omarian> i just installed kdmtheme in kubuntu and am not able to make any changes to it. when i go to system settings it asks me to click administrator mode but i do not see an Administrator button
[01:05] <dorkface> woerd
[01:05] <Jucato> krap, why did I jsut press Ctrl+Alt+F1? :P
[01:05] <leexgx> ubotu: samba
[01:05] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:05] <Jucato> Omarian: you're on Feisty?
[01:05] <Omarian> yes, 7.04
[01:06] <bwayne> 4ThTm.WFN!
[01:06] <Jucato> Omarian: press Alt+F2, type "kcontrol"  and go to System Administration -> KDM Theme Manager
[01:06] <torrents_inbou> Hey guys, I'm having an odd problem. I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy but when  I try to open the "Manage Repositories" dialog in adept, nothing happens so I can't continue
[01:06] <LjL> ubotu: test
[01:06] <ubotu> Failed.
[01:06] <Jucato> yay!
[01:06] <Jucato> thanks LjL :)
[01:06] <Omarian> jucato: thanks
[01:06] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: nothing pops up? the adept window doesn't change?
[01:07] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: No change at all
[01:07] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: can you please check if you have software-properties-kde installed?
[01:07] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: I tried setting a shortcut for opening the dialog but that doesn't work  either
[01:07] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Ok, I'll check
[01:07] <hitorikanai> !printer
[01:07] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:07] <Omarian> jucato: its so weird. it shows up that way, but if you go to kmenu > system settings>appearance > theme manager you cannot enter admin mode
[01:08] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Yes, I seem to have that package alright
[01:08] <Jucato> Omarian: yes it's a bug in feisty, fixed in gutsy
[01:08] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: weird... um... try to run "kdesu software-properties-kde"
[01:08] <frb> !find kde-window-decorator
[01:08] <frb> still no bot?
[01:08] <ubotu> File kde-window-decorator found in compiz-kde
[01:08] <weswh-> I had an adept update that failed, and then when I tried to reopen it it was locked, said there's probably another process using it. I rebooted the system - but it's still saying locked. what should I do?
[01:09] <frb> oh, there he is
[01:09] <Omarian> jucato: cool
[01:09] <Jucato> frb: let's try not to hammer him too much :)
[01:09] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: It crashed when I tried
[01:09] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:18: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[01:09] <Jucato> frb: you can use apt-cache search, adept, or http://packages.ubuntu.com as alternatives
[01:09] <frb> I'm done, I just needed window decorations
[01:09] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: hm... you'll have to do things manually
[01:09] <Jucato> frb: ok :P
[01:10] <lee986321> eh guys... i just eralised something
[01:10] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: No problem, just tell me how
[01:10] <Jucato> what did you eralised?
[01:10] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: hm.. trying to recollect my thoughts. waking up + empty stomach = not good for thinking..
[01:10] <flake> e'ral-ise -  i want to eralise my whole harddrive
[01:10] <lee986321> eh... that if i had loaded kuuntu with out updating..i wouldnt have fire fox
[01:10] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: I know how you feel man, it's damn late here and my stomach is complaining :D
[01:11] <sub[t]rnl> weswh-: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:11] <Jucato> lee986321: not by default
[01:11] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Just want to let this upgrade run overnight if possible do it doesn't tie up my connection tomorrow
[01:11] <Jucato> but simple to install
[01:11] <lee986321> waht the
[01:12] <lee986321> ok in 64 bit half the stuffs greyd out
[01:12] <lee986321> in 32 bit we get fire fox and all that stuff
[01:12] <pcrtech> can't upgrade ;( servers are too busy
[01:12] <lee986321> fire fox is no longer able to be down loaded on tothe 64 bit
[01:12] <Jucato> pcrtech: try a different server or mirror...
[01:12] <Jucato> lee986321: really? that would be weird
[01:13] <Jucato> (and annoying)
[01:13] <pcrtech> trying to use a cd
[01:13] <lee986321> I just tried it with th the 64 bit
[01:13] <lee986321> can't get firefox
[01:13] <lee986321> in kubuntu
[01:13] <lee986321> in fact there alot you can't get any more
[01:14] <Jucato> hm...
[01:15] <Jucato> torrents_inbou: you can ask around how to edit your sources.list to include feisty-updates and feisty-proposed. that would be the equivalent of enabling "Recommended updates" and "Pre-release updates" using the GUI
[01:15]  * Jucato has to go
[01:15] <lee986321> hold on restarting 2 drive 2 thathas 64 bit
[01:15] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Thanks, will do
[01:16] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Although I think I'll wait until tomorrow evening when the servers are less busy!
[01:16] <torrents_inbou> Jucato: Good luck!
[01:17] <dorkface> How long should it take for the frenzy to calm down to reasonable levels?  Two days, a week?
[01:18] <Jucato> a month? :)
[01:18] <Jucato> j/k
[01:18] <sub[t]rnl> hard telling
[01:18] <NickPresta> I remember edgy > feisty took about a week to calm down
[01:18] <Jucato> usually a week
[01:18] <lee986321> ok iam on my 64 bit system
[01:18] <soulwarp> yes it would be nice to download some packages for my new system ^^
[01:19] <imagine[laptop]> Hi, I fetch updates with adept and it's not upgrading like it's supposed to be.... I don't have the option Version Update :(
[01:19] <sub[t]rnl> I'm so glad I did the bulk of the upgrade when rc1 came out
[01:19] <Jucato> imagine[laptop]: did you follow the instructions to the letter?
[01:19] <imagine[laptop]> yup
[01:20] <Jucato> imagine[laptop]: I imagine (no pun intended) that you enabled Recommended updates *and* Pre-release updates in Manage Repositories?
[01:21] <imagine> Man I read the damn thing 5 times... and never saw the Pre-release..
[01:21] <Jucato> :)
[01:21] <imagine> Sry :(
[01:21] <lee986321> kttsmgr,movieplayer,xcdroast,gxine,firefoxwebborwser,javawebstart 1.4,mozalothunderbird,sim im are just a few that are no longer availiable
[01:21] <Jucato> lee986321: firefoxwebbrowser? how about just firefox or mozilla-firefox?
[01:22] <lee986321> Jucato all no longer availiable the latter 2 don't even show up
[01:22] <Jucato> lee986321: can you please confirm with #ubuntu-mozilla that firefox isn't available for 64-bit?
[01:23] <Jucato> er
[01:23] <Jucato> lee986321: #ubuntu-mozillateam
[01:25] <lee986321> I also tried to run the script that a freind gave me all packages have been locked
[01:25] <lee986321> I wonder...if I were to go to an older version if I can get it that way then up grade
[01:25] <Jucato> are you currently upgrading or have adept running?
[01:25] <lee986321> yes
[01:25] <Jucato> then apt is locked
[01:26] <Jucato> you can't use anything that will use apt-get
[01:26] <lee986321> I can try give me a comand line
[01:26] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[01:26] <NickPresta> Jucato, http://pastebin.ca/741836 Any idea?
[01:26] <Jucato> no need to try. it's a fact.
[01:27] <Jucato> NickPresta: er.. no idea.. I don't do compiz :/
[01:27] <Jucato> using Ubuntu's packages for compiz?
[01:27] <wikipedia> gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggguniT
[01:27] <lee986321> ok give me an apt get thing
[01:27] <Jucato> easy on the keys
[01:27] <Jucato> lee986321: why?
[01:27] <lee986321> goign to attempt a retrieve that way
[01:28] <NickPresta> Jucato, I don't have compiz installed, it's set to rc when I do `dpkg -l`.
[01:28] <Jucato> lee986321: you won't be able to use apt-get because you are currently upgrading
[01:28] <lee986321>  I already have
[01:28] <Jucato> lee986321: you mean it's done downloading and installing upgrades?
[01:28] <lee986321> Jucato the upgrades been completed
[01:28] <lee986321> I have the rom
[01:29] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:29] <psychollek> anyone knows what is file 70 from 90 when upgradeing tu gutsy ?
[01:29] <lee986321> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:30] <tazgodx> is there a compiz help channel?
[01:30] <psychollek> ooooh - it gone trough :D
[01:30] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta: I think you can increase your Cache-limit /etc/apt/apt.conf to fix that
[01:30] <Jucato> lee986321:  <Jucato> are you currently upgrading or have adept running?
[01:30] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, I just saw that on Google too. I don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf though
[01:30] <Jucato> tazgodx: #ubuntu-effects which just takes you to #compiz-fusion
[01:30] <psychollek> now it's stuck @ 66 from 86 :P
[01:30] <lee986321> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:30] <lee986321> there it is
[01:31] <jonasp> hey, i have a folder called "#" i cannot enter it via dolphin
[01:31] <Jucato> lee986321: can you please confirm with #ubuntu-mozillateam that firefox isn't available for 64-bit?
[01:31] <jonasp> can anyone reproduce this?
[01:31] <Jucato> jonasp: yes it's a bug afaik
[01:31] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta: create it
[01:31] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta: :P
[01:32] <lee986321> no ones in there that is responding
[01:32] <Angelus> have someone encountered this problem? trying to burn the kubuntu gutsy amd64 image and it stops burning at 98% :S
[01:32] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, I think the problem is that I exited the upgrade early and my /var/lib/dpkg/status file is corrupted. I removed it and replaced it with status-old.
[01:33] <NickPresta> I'm going to try the cache thing now
[01:33] <yeo_> nite all
[01:33] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, ah, the cache limit appears to have fixed it :)
[01:33] <sub[t]rnl> nice
[01:34] <sub[t]rnl> what value did you use by the way?
[01:34] <sub[t]rnl> just curious
[01:34] <NickPresta> APT::Cache-Limit "42123456";
[01:34]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[01:36] <Angelus> is it posible to install kubuntu using VMWARE from windows to another partition?
[01:36] <halycon> exit
[01:36] <halycon> woops
[01:36] <halycon> ;)
[01:39] <FireTek> can someone please help me.. I cant get my integrated sound card to work.
[01:39] <Ertain> Is it just me, or is everyone else gettings lots of lag while doing the upgrade?
[01:40] <weswh-> what kind of luck are people having upgrading feisty to gusty?
[01:40] <Ertain> My download is slow.  That's it.
[01:40] <NickPresta> Yay. My (new) upgrade is downloading at ~130kbps!
[01:41] <Ertain> I don't know why I'm getting a relatively slow download.
[01:41] <Ertain> Could be my ISP, could be the Ubuntu servers.
[01:41] <lee986321> eeeerrrrggg
[01:42] <ck42> I'm sitting stuck on file 26
[01:42] <lee986321> Jucato I checked with them and...they gave me a command line   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:43] <NickPresta> well, I already have the first 1232 files downloaded. The rest of the file should be done in ~13 minutes.
[01:43] <ck42> ah, there it goes.  ~7hrs left
[01:43] <Jucato> lee986321: so they still have firefox for 64bit
[01:43] <NickPresta> heh. Don't feel bad. I left my upgrade running for 13 hours and it was only 60% done
[01:43] <lee986321> kinda yes..but...iots tricky to get to
[01:43] <ck42> ja...no biggee.  As long as the system is still usable while it's chugging away
[01:44] <Jucato> lee986321: not really. just needed to Fetch Updates to refresh things
[01:44] <lee986321> hmm thaat there in lies the issue
[01:44] <lee986321> thh updates freez
[01:44] <Jucato> hammered servers/mirrors...
[01:45] <NickPresta> heh yeah
[01:45] <Ertain> Dran that hammering.
[01:45]  * NickPresta hugs the Ubuntu servers :)
[01:45] <jereme> hrm... maaaaaaaaaybe I'll wait :)
[01:45] <Ertain> s/Dran/Darn/g
[01:45]  * Jucato thought you meant Drat
[01:46] <lee986321> fire fox is downloading bu slow as molasis in january
[01:46] <replman> Hi! Is it possible to configure the automounter that each time i connect my usb hdd (2 partitions) both partitions were mounted always in the same directory? Currently the partition where i first say "open" in the popup will be mounted into disk, the second one to disk-1....
[01:46] <weswh-> ah...yeah must be the servers
[01:47] <weswh-> I was just trying to do a few updates (not dist. upgrade), and it was sitting at 0% getting headers..for like 20 minutes
[01:47] <sea4ever> Hey uhm
[01:47] <lee986321> ok I have fire fox\
[01:47] <sea4ever> How do I make mingw work? I can't find it's command
[01:47] <Jucato> lee986321: at least you have firefox...is there no pleasing you? :)
[01:48] <lee986321> yeah..lol I have it lol, now to convert it to 32 bit
[01:48] <Jucato> ...
[01:48] <Jucato> yeah, there is no pleasing you... :)
[01:48] <lee986321> heheehee I want it alll.lol..including the kicthen sink lol
[01:49] <Jucato> !info kitchensync
[01:49] <ubotu> kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7enterprise20070926-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 328 kB, installed size 1100 kB
[01:49] <Jucato> lee986321: ^^^^^
[01:49] <lee986321> hmmmaybe if I were to gt a wife then I would... well be plesed lol
[01:49] <FireTek> can someone please help me.. I cant get my integrated sound card to work.
[01:49] <lee986321> but tahts not for here lol
[01:49] <shadowhywind> does anyone know if there is a way to add thunderbird to kontacts?
[01:49] <Hoondie> hey people, anyone know why kopete crashes after upgrading to gutsy?
[01:50] <lee986321> will return need food
[01:50] <lee986321>  ahh braving the storm heehee
[01:53] <SeanTater> I believe this goes to Riddell (because of ~jriddell), but this snapshot http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot6.png which is linked from kubuntu.org, is the incorrect snapshot relative to it's thumbnail. Specifically, it's a copy of snapshot0. I thought you might want to change that.
[01:54] <\etron> what is kubuntu, and does it taste good?
[01:54] <Jucato> !kubuntu | \etron
[01:54] <ubotu> \etron: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[01:55] <\etron> hmmm... Gnomes are tasty tooo!
[01:55] <sub[t]rnl> Hoondie: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:55] <ubuntu> ewww gnome is nasty
[01:55] <sub[t]rnl> Hoondie: dpkg -i that .deb
[01:55] <Jucato> or since he's on gutsy, just click on it :)
[01:55] <sub[t]rnl> wee!
[01:56] <sub[t]rnl> not used to ol gdebi
[01:56] <ScorpKing> how can i echo, cat or whatever the password to losetup -e blowfish /dev/loop0 mydisk so it does not ask me for a password but reads it from a file?
[01:56] <Dragnslcr> Why would the printer settings have a job's state as "Held"? The printer's display says "Ready"
[01:56] <\etron> ScorpKing: you could use tcl
[01:57] <FireTek> can someone please help me.. I cant get my integrated sound card to work.
[01:57] <BluesKaj> wow, Ive been fetching for more than 9 hrs and it'ds still only 53 % finished...shoulda waiteed :P
[01:57] <ScorpKing> \etron: mind showing me how?
[01:57] <Hoondie> sub[t]rnl: thanks :)
[01:58] <\etron> ScorpKing: but there is an option to read in the passphrase from a file descriptor: --pass-fd, -p num
[01:58] <pope> is there a way to install gutsy from cd and retain my files and programs already installed?
[01:59] <ScorpKing> \etron: i've tried that. it's confusing. :(
[01:59] <ubuntu> pope: what are u running now
[02:00] <pope> 7.04 Feisty...but adept (and the repositories are checked)  wont' recognise the upgrade so i downloaded the iso
[02:01] <cheguevara> if u reinstall the .iso it'll delete ur stuff
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> pope: try using the alternate cd's
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> pope: instead of the live cd
[02:02] <sub[t]rnl> pope: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[02:03] <LastMall> i don't think adept is the way to upgrade
[02:03] <tjodalv> +1
[02:03] <sub[t]rnl> its pretty seemless, its just getting hammered right now
[02:03] <LastMall> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[02:04] <ScorpKing> \etron: sorry to bug you, but how do i specify a file descriptor? what is it anyway?
[02:05] <ubuntu> hello
[02:06] <\etron> ScorpKing: okay, there's 3 standard ones: 0 is STDIN, 1 is STDOUT and 2 is STDERRR
[02:06] <ScorpKing> ok
[02:06] <\etron> ScorpKing: that just means that STDIN is any input you choose, it could be a pipe.
[02:07] <dpvnme> hi, i'm trying to write to a file, i think it's protected. how to i go about to chmod it?
[02:07] <\etron> ScorpKing: so, set it to 0, losetup <options> --pass-fd=0 and echo the password in from a pipe.
[02:07] <ScorpKing> \etron: so i could cat pw.txt | losetup -p=0 blabla... ?
[02:07] <\etron> dpvnme: using chmod?
[02:08] <dpvnme> yes
[02:08] <dpvnme> it's the file: alsa-base
[02:08] <gary_inNYC> hi, just finished burning gutsy iso to cd, could i use this for offline update from feisty, or do i have to do a full wipe using this disc?
[02:08] <\etron> dpvnme: yeah, thats the answer. Use chmod.
[02:08] <\etron> dpvnme: chmod 755 or something.
[02:08] <dpvnme> this is what i put in: chmod -r
[02:08] <LordBacon> are there any howto pages for fixing power management on a laptop using kubuntu?
[02:08] <dpvnme> ok
[02:08] <ScorpKing> dpvnme: chmod u+w file
[02:08] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know anything about this error: "E [18/Oct/2007:20:58:28 -0400] PID 18987 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/mfp) stopped with status 2!"
[02:08] <pope> sorry, i was away a minute (son's not  a fan of bed time)...can i upgrade kubuntu with the upgrade manager from ubuntu?
[02:08] <sub[t]rnl> gary_inNYC: full wipe using the live cd unless your making a seperate partition
[02:08] <\etron> dpvnme: or the better way to set permissions is using the symbolic names, which actually mean something, like 'chmod u+rw <file>'
[02:09] <LordBacon> I had set it to suspend on lid close, but when I closed the lid, it just hung on a console with a blinking cursor, it never actually powered off, and wouldn't wake up
[02:09] <FireTek> can someone please help me.. I cant get my integrated sound card to work.
[02:09] <gary_inNYC> thx sub
[02:09] <dpvnme> I got at "operation not permitted"
[02:09] <\etron> dpvnme: -r is recursve... watch out with that one.
[02:09] <dpvnme> well, it's only one file
[02:09] <dpvnme> i'm trying to write to alsa-base, which is for my sound card
[02:10]  * ScorpKing slaps konversation...
[02:10] <sub[t]rnl> pope: yes, you can update your ubuntu, then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:10] <ScorpKing> \etron: thanks. i'll try that.
[02:10] <ScorpKing> \etron: now it makes sense. :D
[02:11] <\etron> dpvnme: if you do an "ls -la" on the file, what sort of output do you get?
[02:11] <pope> ah, i didn't explain clearly. Could i apt-get update-manager, and use it to update kubuntu, or will that download ubuntu-desktop too?
[02:11] <Raineer> pope: the only thing is apt-get is quite busy today, expect some slow speeds
[02:11] <\etron> ScorpKing: cool ;-)
[02:11] <soulwarp> how come i'm unable to install Gimp, Firefox, Synaptic, heck even Tuxmath is greyed out?
[02:11] <dpvnme> \etron: so i put this in the console: ls -la "filename" ?
[02:12] <pope> hmmm....is the alternative cd iso as large as the live cd? maybe i'll just go that route
[02:12] <soulwarp> i can't install koffice either
[02:12] <Raineer> yes it is roughly the same I believe, but would be much faster
[02:12] <dpvnme> \etron: this is what i got: -rw-r-r
[02:12] <Raineer> than using apt-get
[02:12] <Jucato> soulwarp: Fetch Updates first (or sudo apt-get update)
[02:12] <Jucato> then try again
[02:13] <dpvnme> \etron: do i need to change to root?
[02:14] <pope> alright. thnx 4 the help ^_^ i'm still relatively new to linux, but as always, the community has made the switch worth it. take care, gl w/ the updates everyone
[02:14] <ScorpKing> \etron: :Dx(lots) it's working!
[02:14] <sub[t]rnl> take care pope
[02:14]  * ScorpKing adds \etron to his hero list...
[02:15] <\etron> dpvnme: yep, you will probably have to be root.
 tryed that several times, it seems to hang at [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.89.8)]
[02:16] <Jucato> soulwarp: might be a server/mirror problem
[02:16] <soulwarp> :/
[02:16] <ScorpKing> \etron: wow! now i can mount my encrypted disks at boot and read the passwd from a 128MB usb drive. thanks again. :D
[02:16] <Jucato> your server/mirror is getting hammered
[02:16] <cptnspoon> Is anyone else having problems upgrading to Gutsy via Adept?
[02:17] <sub[t]rnl> see above
[02:17] <Jucato> cptnspoon: what problems are you having?
[02:17] <soulwarp> i havn't had any this after noon
[02:17] <cptnspoon> I'm assuming the server is just really busy, it took almost a minute to download the release notes
[02:17] <\etron> ScorpKing: sweet dude .. Happy to help. Now go out there and hack stuff!
[02:17] <soulwarp> do i need the CD in the drive?
[02:17] <cptnspoon> Then it just seems to timeout trying to download the upgrade tool
[02:18] <Jucato> cptnspoon: yeah very busy servers.... try using a different mirror/server if you want
[02:18]  * ScorpKing starts hacking his box...
[02:18] <cptnspoon> Cheers Jucato, I might wait a day and if it's still bad I'll try some others
[02:18] <pingveno> I can't find any sort of pre release updates or recommended updates in my source.list file. Where can I get a list so I can upgrade 7.04 -> 7.10?
[02:19] <Jucato> pingveno: have you tried doing it through Adept
[02:19] <pingveno> Yeah, that's where I went originally.
[02:19] <Jucato> if you manually edit your sources.list, Pre-release = feisty-propsed and Recommended updates = feisty-updates
[02:19] <Jucato> just follow the guide above with screenshots
[02:21] <pingveno> Ah, that would be the problem. Neither is in there.
[02:22] <\etron> later people.
[02:22] <pingveno> Neither repository, that is.
[02:23] <Jucato> pingveno: feisty-proposed wouldn't be by default. but feisty-updates should be there. why not try using the GUI to save you the trouble?
[02:23] <pingveno> I'm doing a Fetch Updates in Adept. Should that do it?
[02:24] <ronin_> Evening everyone. Anyone here able to assist with a new Gutsy resolution issue?
[02:24] <Jucato> pingveno: Adept menu -> Manage Repositories first
[02:24] <Jucato> pingveno: are you following the guide? it's a step by step procedure w/ pictures
[02:25] <Jucato> ronin_: um... unless you give us a clue, we couldn't really say...
[02:26] <pingveno> Yes, I believe so. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade ?
[02:26] <Jucato> yes
[02:27] <ronin_> Okay. Its probably pretty basic actually. I'm using a mobility radeon x600 which, aftersome tweaking worked well enough in Fiesty. I just did a clean Gutsy Kubuntu install, and with the "ati" driver, my resolution was fine.
[02:27] <ronin_> However,I need 3d, so I used the restricted driver manager and installed fglrx
[02:27] <ronin_> now a konsole "fglrxinfo" shows the driver as correctly installed IE: not MESA
[02:27] <ronin_> however, I can't seem to get above 640x480
[02:28] <Jucato> !xconfig
[02:28] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[02:28] <ubotwo> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[02:28] <Dragnslcr> Is there any way of figuring out what's flooding my cups error log? I thought I had killed the jobs that weren't working
[02:28] <LjL> ubotwo: part
[02:28] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:29] <pingveno> Jucato: The repository just isn't there. Could you, by chance, just send me the relevant text?
[02:29] <fozut> l
[02:30] <fozut> hy
[02:30] <Jucato> pingveno: did you see the screenshots? does it look something like that?
[02:31] <pingveno> No, it didn't.
[02:31] <ScorpKing> how can i run a script in debuging/verbose mode so i can see what's going on?
[02:31] <Jucato> pingveno: you didn't have this when you click on Manage Repositories? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot2.png
[02:31] <LastMall> Jucato  jucato.org is yours ?
[02:32] <Jucato> LastMall: yes
[02:32] <LastMall> cool.   very useful stuff there
[02:32] <Jucato> thanks :)
[02:33] <pingveno> Jucato: No, I didn't
[02:33] <Jucato> pingveno: ok. since you're in Adept Manager already, can you plesae look for software-properties-kde and install it?
[02:34] <pingveno> Righty-o, it's going right now.
[02:34] <Jucato> pingveno: that should solve the first problem of not having that Software Sources dialog box
[02:35] <pingveno> Ah, there it goes. The dl was taking a while to start.
[02:35] <Jucato> yeah, that's normal... hammered servers
[02:36] <pingveno> Surprise, surprise
[02:36] <jtmoney> hmm, can i point us.archive.ubuntu.com to a different ip (using /etc/hosts) in order to apt-get firefox, etc.?
[02:37] <Jucato> jtmoney: you can just switch servers through Adept Manager
[02:38] <Jucato> in the Manage Repositories (Software Sources) dialog
[02:38] <mbishop> I started a Full Upgrade in Adept, and then left the computer, came back about 30 minutes later...and Adept was at it's normal screen..no error message, no finished message, nothing
[02:38] <ScorpKing> i started kdesu from a script and it ran fine. now it does nothing (like in not a thing) and i think it's because it's still authenticated. how can i get past that?
[02:38] <mbishop> what happened?
[02:38] <ajagucki> mbishop: did you press 'Apply Updates'?
[02:38] <pingveno> Jucato I had some odd problems when I upgraded to Fiesty, so some packages might not have gotten in.
[02:39] <mbishop> ajagucki: Yeah, it was downloading, or so it seemed, then when I came back it was just...sitting
[02:39] <pingveno> Minor filesystem corruption.
[02:39] <mbishop> like I didn't tell it to do anything
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> Is there any way to tell which /dev/mfpN my USB printer is connected to?
[02:39] <ajagucki> mbishop: I don't know then
[02:39] <n1lo> the bug with kopete when we try to connect on msn it's resolved ?
[02:40] <n1lo> at the moment i think is not. im using it on gutsy.
[02:40] <Yammeh> Is there a fix for the kopete crashing issue yet?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: yeah... I forgot the bug#/link though
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: anyway we could get that posted in the topic?
[02:41] <Yammeh> !kopete
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <Yammeh> Ok, I'll search the forums for it later
[02:41] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: it should come into the main repositories soonish
[02:41] <Jucato> maybe even today... dunno yet
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: just a second
[02:42] <xsacha> help! when i use 'sudo' it says: "sudo: must be setuid root" -- what do i do?!
[02:42] <Yammeh> Ok, thanks
[02:42] <Jucato> Yanhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[02:43] <Jucato> Yammeh: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[02:43] <Yammeh> Thanks
[02:43] <jtmoney> xsacha: type sudo <command that you want root to execute>
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> bug 153500
[02:43] <xsacha> afaik, i need to chmod of /usr/bin to resolve the issue. but i need root for that? and i have no root password because that's how it is?
[02:43] <ScorpKing> is there something wrong here? - /usr/bin/kdesu "/usr/bin/kdialog --password Password: | /sbin/losetup -e blowfish --pass-fd=0 /dev/loop0 /home/scorpking/mydisk.enc" - it doesn't do a thing. :(
[02:43] <xsacha> jtmoney: yes and i get"sudo: must be setuid root"
[02:43] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: ubugtu not here. gave the link already
[02:43] <jtmoney> xsacha: root's password will be the same password of the account you created during install
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: k :)
[02:44] <xsacha> jtmoney: it isn't .. :\
[02:44] <jtmoney> yikes
[02:44] <jtmoney> i'm not sure then
[02:44] <jtmoney> pretty n00bish myself =(
[02:44] <xsacha> ubuntu doesnt give root a password
[02:44] <jtmoney> what if you typed sudo passwd root
[02:44] <Jucato> xsacha: try "sudo echo hello"
[02:44] <xsacha> i have to do sudo passwd to give it a password, but sudo doesnt work
[02:45] <xsacha> Jucato: sudo: must be setuid root
[02:45] <Jucato> weird...
[02:45] <ajagucki> !dolphin
[02:45] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[02:45] <Jucato> xsacha: can you holdon for a while?
[02:45] <xsacha> ok
[02:45] <xsacha> this is a new install of gutsy gibbon by the way, had it for 1 day and this just happened randomly today
[02:46] <jdong> xsacha: do you have any root terminals open?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> xsacha: did you remove yourself from the sudo or admin groups?
[02:46] <pope> how stable is kde4 beta 3?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> pope: nor very
[02:46] <Jucato> xsacha: can you post the output of "ls -l /usr/bin/sudo" ?
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> *not
[02:46] <jdong> xsacha: can you run a "kdesu konsole" successfully (do that after Jucato's output)
[02:46] <pope> i see...any hint of a release date? or even RC1?
[02:47] <jdong> Jucato: this looks like a fun chicken-or-egg problem to solve :D
[02:47] <Jucato> jdong: oh ok..you'e tha  man!
[02:48] <jdong> Jucato: meh we'll probably have to take him into single-user or init=/bin/bash short-circuit to setuid his sudo again... though I have no idea how it could've broke in the first place!
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> pope: release i sometime in december
[02:48] <xsacha> jdong: it does nothing (no output and no console)
[02:48] <Dragnslcr> In the Add Printer Wizard, if nothing shows up under USB, what are the odds of the problem being a bad cable?
[02:48] <jdong> xsacha: can you ls -al /usr/bin/sudo?
[02:48] <xsacha> Jucato: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 91776 2007-06-15 22:49 /usr/bin/sudo
[02:48] <Jucato> jdong: ^^^^
[02:48] <Jucato> that's the problem it seems
[02:49] <Ellipsys> !xserver
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <Ellipsys> !xorg
[02:49] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:49] <jdong> xsacha: well sure enough, it's not setuid root!
[02:49] <xsacha> nosrednaekim: didnt do anything to root or sudo or any groups afaik
[02:49] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea how i can fix apt-get error while configuring acpid, acpi-support and powermanagement-interface?
[02:49] <fulat2k> have tried dpkg-reconfigure, but still fials
[02:49] <xsacha> jdong: dont know how i did that but how do i get it back at setuid root?
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> xsacha: ok... just listen to jdong then :)
[02:50] <jdong> xsacha: ok, have you ever set a password on root in your install?
[02:50] <Jucato> listen to jdong!!!!! he is the truth!
[02:50] <jdong> lol
[02:50] <pope> i've been using miro for a while, but i want a more light weigh podcatcher, but i only see penguin tv in adept, any other suggestions?
[02:51] <Yammeh> I can't change the resolution of my monitor, dispite me choosing the right monitor from the list
[02:51] <xsacha> jdong: nup, never set password on root
[02:51] <pingveno> Jucato: Do I absolutely have to apply all fiesty updates before a version upgrade?
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: how mig is your resolution and what graphics card do you have?
[02:51] <Jucato> pingveno: sort of.yeah
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> pingveno: its safer
[02:51] <jdong> xsacha: ok, I'll need you to reboot into the Recovery Mode option at the boot menu. It will boot up to a root prompt, at which type "chmod u+s /usr/bin/sudo", then type "exit" and bootup will continue.
[02:51] <pingveno> Wow, what a waste of bandwidth
[02:51] <Yammeh> 7600GT and I want to run it at 1680*1050
[02:52] <pingveno> I'm thinking that starting this *tomorrow* would be a good idea.
[02:52] <xsacha> jdong: ok
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: you'll need the proprietary video drivers, install them with the restricted-manager-kde
[02:52] <Yammeh> I already did that
[02:52] <xsacha> jdong: thx
[02:53] <jdong> xsacha: sure thing, let me know if that doesn't work
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: did you try using the nvidia configuration tool to do ti?
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> Are there any improvements with printers in Gutsy?
[02:53] <Ellipsys> Is anyone else on gutsy noticing a /really/ long blank screen after grub, or when they mess with video settings?
[02:53] <jdong> xsacha: you still online?
[02:53] <xsacha> jdong: yeah
[02:53] <Yammeh> To change my resolution?
[02:53] <Dragnslcr> Wondering if an upgrade will fix this problem
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: yeah
[02:53] <jdong> xsacha: can you pastebin me /proc/mounts just to be sure?
[02:54] <Yammeh> No, I didn't
[02:54]  * jdong suspects nosuid in mount options....
[02:54] <Yammeh> I used the standard options
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: yeah.. try using the nvidia config tool
[02:54] <Yammeh> Does that configuration tool have to be downloaded seperately to the drivers?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: it may... i'm not sure
[02:54] <jtmoney> Yammeh: apt-get install fglrx-control
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> !info nvidia
[02:54] <ubotu> Package nvidia does not exist in gutsy
[02:55] <Yammeh> Thanks
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> jtmoney: wrong dirvers ;)
[02:55] <jtmoney> ohh, whoops
[02:55] <pingveno> Wow, 180 MB of upgrade. That's going to take a while...
[02:55] <xsacha> jdong: http://pastebin.ca/741896
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: don't install that
[02:55] <Yammeh> lol, dang
[02:55] <jtmoney> aptitude search nvidia returns: nvidia-settings, nvidia-xconfig
[02:55] <jtmoney> maybe one of those, i'm not sure though
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: nvidia-settings
[02:56] <jdong> xsacha: yep, you look fine, just reboot into recovery mode and issue the commands I instructed
[02:56] <Yammeh> kk trying it now, thanks
[02:56] <xsacha> jdong: ok, any idea how this problem started? it seemed to happen after i installed vendetta-online. i havent done anything else with sudo
[02:56] <Yammeh> Ace, it worked. Thanks alot guys
[02:57] <jdong> xsacha: it's a very odd problem... nothing in Ubuntu repos that I know of has the ability to do this. Where did you get vendetta-online?
[02:57] <Ellipsys> Can someone post the ubotu for dpkg reconfigure etc...?
[02:58] <xsacha> jdong: off their website, linux x86 version. it's a sh installer
[02:58] <jdong> xsacha: odd; I'll take a look at their installer and see if I can reproduce the bug.... if it is a bug in that software then wow, they deserve a good slapping :)
[02:58] <lee986321> erg the downloading of the updates..erg
[02:59] <Jucato> !xconfig | Ellipsys
[02:59] <ubotu> Ellipsys: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[02:59] <Yammeh> !compiz
[02:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[02:59] <Ellipsys> Thank you, Jucato
[02:59] <Ellipsys> !fixres
[02:59] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:59] <lee986321> one hting I have noticed and I am not sure if this i s a good thing or bad thing , but I have noticed my cpu isnt working as hard taht is the fans not kicking in like it did with the tril version
[03:00] <lee986321> But hten my fans conected via directly and not the soft ware]
[03:00] <jdong> lee986321: is the fan using a thermisistor or otherwise heat-sensitive?
[03:00] <lee986321> yes
[03:00] <jdong> lee986321: the livecd is compressed using "gzip" so reading files off the CD requires the CPU to decompress those files first, before they can be used
[03:01] <jdong> lee986321: therefore, more CPU is required to do any loading on the LiveCD
[03:01] <jdong> lee986321: so what you are describing would be normal/expected
[03:02] <ScorpKing> kdesu does refuse want to run - wtf?!
[03:02]  * ScorpKing slaps kdesu...
[03:02] <pulaski> Hi, I'm using apt-get install drupal-5.1 and the installation process was successful in creating its mysql database but returned dpkg returned an error of 5 lines the last of which was "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)".  Can anyone offer a suggestion how to proceed?
[03:02] <Jucato> pulaski: try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[03:03] <pulaski> thank you jucato I will
[03:06] <daoudi5_> hi
[03:07] <lee986321> erg any one know of any video editing software like adobie preier 6.0 or simular to adobies abillities
[03:09] <lee986321> that is a way to produce wips, fades slowmotion ect...or if any ones heard of toast
[03:09] <daoudi5_> how to find my jdk directory please? using by eclipse
[03:10] <Jucato> daoudi5_: have ou installed sun-java6-jdk?
[03:10] <Jucato> lee986321: um... try kino or kdenlive... but for sure they're not exactly like premiere
[03:11] <lee986321> where do i get them at ?
[03:11] <lee986321> oh are those in the rpos
[03:11] <daoudi5_> no
[03:11] <Jucato> yes
[03:11] <lee986321> ok
[03:12] <daoudi5_> but i thing that it is default install
[03:12] <Jucato> daoudi5_: you should install it first then. eclipse will (or should) auto detect it
[03:12] <daoudi5_> because i can use eclipse
[03:12] <sea4ever> How do I kill a stopped job?
[03:12] <lee986321> ill have to wait for the up date spam to stop though lol
[03:12] <Jucato> daoudi5_: no, sun-java stuff aren't installed by default
[03:12] <Jucato> daoudi5_: what's installed by default is gcj only
[03:13] <sayers> Is there a recommended way to upgrade without breakage ?
[03:13] <NickPresta> Adept "froze" at about 3% when replacing the packages so I quit the upgrader and did a `sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade` and it appears to be working. Any forseeable problems?
[03:13] <jdong> !upgrade | sayers
[03:13] <ubotu> sayers: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:13] <sayers> jdong: Things break like that...
[03:13] <Jucato> jdong, sayers: see the topic above
[03:14] <jdong> sayers: they are the best upgrade procedures.... you need to remove most 3rd party packages and repositories before attempting an upgrade
[03:14] <Jucato> (the Kubuntu update procedure does that automatically)
[03:14] <jdong> Jucato: do you know if that's in the update-manager core logic?
[03:14] <jdong> Jucato: or an adept-specific feature?
[03:15] <Jucato> jdong: that I don't know...
[03:16] <navets> how do I upgrade to Gutsy
[03:16] <navets> and should I back up anything first
[03:16] <NickPresta> !upgrade | navets
[03:16] <ubotu> navets: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:16] <Jucato> navets: please see the link in the topic
[03:16] <NickPresta> navets, you should always backup sensitive data whenever doing something like this
[03:17] <Jucato> NickPresta: please don't give out that link. it's not updated compared to the one in the topic
[03:17] <Jucato> at least for kubuntu
[03:17] <NickPresta> Jucato, oh sorry about that. I'll be sure to use the topic link in the future.
[03:18] <Jucato> no problem. I'll try to update it now though
[03:18] <Jucato> so they'll be the same
[03:18] <daoudi5_> how can i installed sun-java6-jdk?
[03:20] <NickPresta> !find sun-java6-jdk
[03:20] <ubotu> Found: sun-java6-jdk
[03:20] <NickPresta> daoudi5_, in a terminal, type: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[03:20] <daoudi5_> how to find it
[03:20] <noam_> whoa. dist-upgrade.py takes over 600mb physical RAM!
[03:21] <NickPresta> daoudi5_, you can use Konsole to install sun-java6-jdk. You can also use Adept Manager to search for the package
[03:23] <lee986321> hmm i am going to have to stick my ps2 hdd back in to my ps2 lol
[03:23] <lee986321> but befor i do.....
[03:25] <lee986321> can some on im me so i am not off topic?
[03:26] <lee986321> oh wait going to off topic
[03:26] <linux_stu> does kubuntu 7.10 come with compiz fusion by default?
[03:28] <lee986321> it comeswith something
[03:28] <dope> apt is updating extremely slow
[03:28] <dope> is it because of the new release?
[03:28] <lee986321> linux_stu may byou can help fer a sec
[03:28] <linux_stu> i can try lee986321
[03:29] <lee986321> how mux of the distros you know about?
[03:29] <lee986321> eh much?
[03:29] <wastedfluid> hey.. anyone having problems w/ knetworkmanager not automatically connecting to a wireless network?  it sued to automatically connect to my home network
[03:29] <lee986321> and have you seen any thing like this?
[03:29] <linux_stu> lee986321: some
[03:29] <linux_stu> lee986321: anything like what?
[03:29] <lee986321> ill send an im
[03:30] <linux_stu> k
[03:33] <lontra> well i've had a sad 7.10 experience and now i'm back to debian.  whenever i log into X it would i could type in any window and my computer would never properly shutdown it would just hang ... anyone else had these issues?
[03:33] <jtmoney> lontra: takes forever to boot into x
[03:33] <lontra> jtmoney: it would get into X here but i'd open konsole, for example, and press keys and nothing :(
[03:34] <jtmoney> lontra: 7.04 was fine for me though... with debian you will have to wait 8 years before a new version
[03:34] <jtmoney> i love ubuntu for the solid 6 month release cycle
[03:34] <lontra> jtmoney: or run debian testing
[03:34] <lontra> jtmoney: or debian unstable ... both viable options
[03:34] <dope> i can't seem to upgrade because it can't connect
[03:35] <JRlinux> Just downloaded live kubuntu... Where do I go to add flash and Java to the live linux so I can try surfing with kubuntu?
[03:35] <jtmoney> JRlinux: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:36] <lontra> JRlinux: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:36] <JRlinux> Wow, that easy, jtmoney ?
[03:36] <jtmoney> of course
[03:37] <JRlinux> lontra, kubuntu and ubuntu installs the same?
[03:37] <lontra> JRlinux: yeah but kubuntu is kde and ubuntu is gnome
[03:37] <JRlinux> Yes, that is why I downloaded kubuntu.  I like kde
[03:37] <lontra> ditto
[03:38] <JRlinux> But admire all the card games gnome has.
[03:38] <lontra> JRlinux: i like kde much more than gnome ... i like the customizability
[03:38] <jtmoney> yeah, all the fucking nerds in my CS classes talk shit about kde
[03:38] <JRlinux> lontra, I see
[03:38] <Jucato> language please jtmoney
[03:38] <lontra> jtmoney: they like gnome?
[03:38] <jtmoney> whoopsies
[03:38] <jtmoney> yeah, and xfce for one of them
[03:38] <Jucato> JRlinux: KDE/Kubuntu has lots of card games too. they just don't install by default
[03:38] <lontra> jtmoney: blah ... give me QT or give me nothing
[03:39] <jtmoney> wow, i'm having some problems just getting gutsy to boot up all the way :-X
[03:39] <jtmoney> might be going back to feisty for a little bit
[03:39]  * Jucato gives lontra QuickTime
[03:39] <lontra> QuickTime ... oh no!
[03:39] <Jucato> that's what QT is :D
[03:39]  * jtmoney gives lontra RealPlayer with all the "extras"
[03:39] <JRlinux> kubuntu can load and use wine easily?
[03:39] <Jucato> yes
[03:39] <noam_> as easily as wine goes
[03:39] <jtmoney> JRlinux: yup, sudo apt-get install wine ;)
[03:39] <lontra> Jucato: that's what QT stands for?
[03:40] <Jucato> lontra: yes
[03:40] <lontra> Jucato: really?
[03:40] <Jucato> lontra: but I bet you meant Qt earlier :)
[03:40] <JRlinux> I dunno.  I might have to convert from PClinuxOS.  Thanks for the help!
[03:40] <lontra> Jucato: that's what i meant
[03:40] <Jucato> lontra: :P
[03:40] <jtmoney> JRlinux: i have tried many distros... i can say that kubuntu is the most solid, polished distro
[03:40] <Fade2Blac> hey im having a serious problem i installed kubuntu on my new laptop and it finishes the install and when i try to run kubuntu i get this error,  bcm43xx: error: microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load fail does anyone know what that mean
[03:40] <jtmoney> that's my opinion, though
[03:41]  * genii sips a beer
[03:41] <jtmoney> firmware for a wireless card?
[03:41] <lontra> JRlinux: yeah i'd recommend ... either kubuntu or opensuse for a kde distro.  both top shelf distros
[03:41] <Jucato> genii: hand me one please!!! :)
[03:41]  * Jucato agrees w/ lontra
[03:41] <genii> Jucato:Geez, still here? ;)
[03:41] <Jucato> 3 hours now :)
[03:41] <jtmoney> Fade2Blac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[03:41]  * genii hands Jucato a beer (Labatt 50)
[03:41] <lontra> of course i say that and i'm running debian ;P
[03:42] <Jucato> any beer, as long as it's beer :)
[03:42] <jtmoney> just use feisty's instructions if you're using gutsy... some things may be different
[03:42] <Jucato> lontra: you did say "for a kde distro" though. so that's excusable :P
[03:42] <JRlinux> Fade2Blac, yeah-- my laptop runs the broadcom wireless.  I found it easy to install ndiswrapper, though, and it runs the wireless great.
[03:42] <wastedfluid> Jucato: hey.  Can I ask you a quick question? Well, two, if you have a minute.
[03:42] <lontra> sure sure
[03:42] <thomas_> Anyone know why a memory card reader won't read my sony memory stick?
[03:42] <thomas_> or mount it?
[03:42] <Jucato> wastedfluid: you can try :)
[03:42] <lontra> though i do run kde on debian of course :D
[03:43] <Jucato> (but it's not technically a kde-biased distro... but... offtopic)
[03:43] <Jucato> :P :P
[03:43] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Ok, thanks.  First is, KNetworkManager no longer automatically connects to my home network.  Any idea?  Second, the volume keys on my laptop no longer work.. it shows a graphic of going from 0%, to 11% (with no noticeable volume increase or decrease), and then back to 0% if you go down.
[03:43] <lontra> sounds good :)
[03:43] <bacon333> Hello
[03:43] <Hoondie> why do i notice everything crashing a little more now, eg, adept manager when i remove packages etc
[03:43] <lontra> wastedfluid: i have that same problem with kmilo too about the volume
[03:43] <ScorpKing> if i mount a disk as root, can i add options so a user can unmount it without being root?
[03:44] <wastedfluid> lontra: Okay, any idea where I could eventually look for a fix?
[03:44] <Jucato> wastedfluid: I think the 2nd one is a known bug
[03:44] <Jucato> the 1st one.. I have noooo idea.. :(
[03:44] <bacon333> I think Kubuntu 7.10 is still a little unstable..
[03:44] <lontra> wastedfluid: not sure ... but i think that Riddell is the original author of kmilo ;)
[03:44] <wastedfluid> Ah.  crap.  What about s2disk not working?  (s2disk: Could not stat the resume device file. Reason: No such file or directory) - but my /etc/uswsusp.conf has my swap UUID
[03:45] <Hoondie> so is anyone else getting the ocational crash of applications?
[03:45] <wastedfluid> eh, my kopete crashes.. but that's known, too.
[03:45] <Fade2Blac> damn i need to do all of that for a driver that sucks
[03:45] <Hoondie> yea, fixed that
[03:45] <wastedfluid> How did you fix that?
[03:45] <lontra> i wonder if inclusion of 3.5.8 was a bad idea?
[03:45] <wastedfluid> Have a link? >:|
[03:45] <noam_> yes, it was
[03:46] <Hoondie> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:46] <Jucato> wastedfluid: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[03:46] <wastedfluid> 3.5.8 has been nothing but a pain in the ass for me >:|
[03:46] <wastedfluid> whoops, language
[03:46] <lontra> wastedfluid: you meant butt i know
[03:46] <pope> what's the adress for the directions of installing update from cd?
[03:46] <wastedfluid> yeah, I did :P
[03:46] <wastedfluid> thanks for the link to the .deb to fix this
[03:46] <Jucato> pope: offline updating to gutsy?
[03:47] <pope> yes, that one^_^
[03:47] <NickPresta> Is there a reason why nvidia-settings is missing all the options and panels?
[03:47] <Jucato> pope: what CD do you have? Live/Desktop CD or Alternate Install CD?
[03:47] <pope> Alternate
[03:48] <Hoondie> compiz or beryl, which one should i choose?
[03:48] <Jucato> pope: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrade bottom one. see if that works
[03:48] <bacon333> compiz-fusion
[03:48] <wastedfluid> wee; kde libs installing now.  Anyone have an idea where I could possibly lok for a fix to kmilo ?
[03:48] <pope> great, thank you ^_^
[03:48] <Jucato> NickPresta: btw, updated the GutsyUpgrades page
[03:48] <Jucato> pope: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades sorry
[03:48] <Hoondie> !compiz
[03:48] <NickPresta> Jucato, awesome. I'm on Gutsy right now. I'm just trying to get everything working again
[03:48] <letalis> any tips for compiz under kde anyone would liek to share?
[03:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:48] <bacon333> Hoondie, I suggest compiz-fusion
[03:48] <wastedfluid> I don't wanna try compiz.
[03:49] <wastedfluid> am i really missing that much?
[03:49] <bacon333> Compiz-fusion isn't in 7.10?!
[03:49] <bacon333> and yes, wastedfluid
[03:49] <wastedfluid> I think it is..
[03:49] <Hoondie> bacon333: whats the diff between the two?
[03:49] <Jucato> copiz fusion is in gutsy
[03:49] <letalis> its fun but it makes your desktop pager screwy in kde
[03:49] <wastedfluid> But I'm on a laptop.  I'm not on a desktop.. I don't wanna heat up my laptop just minimizing windows
[03:49] <bacon333> hmm
[03:49] <bacon333> well, compiz-fusion is the new one
[03:49] <Jucato> compiz-fusion = compiz + beryl remerged
[03:49] <bacon333> Beryl and Compiz have been ditched
[03:49] <letalis> if i could get it working as flawlessly as kwin does id use it
[03:49] <bacon333> yes
[03:49] <Hoondie> does it come with gutsy?
[03:49] <Jucato> bacon333: not really ditched
[03:49] <bacon333> well, it's re-emmerged
[03:50] <bacon333> not updated anymore..
[03:50] <wastedfluid> so what do I do un gutsy too activaet and start playing with compiz?
[03:50] <bacon333> I'm not too sure Hoondie, you will have to check around
[03:50] <bacon333> I don't have gutsy on this computer yet..
[03:50] <Jucato> wastedfluid: follow the link...
[03:50] <wastedfluid> ok
[03:50] <letalis> compiz and beryl made a lovechild. that child is compiz fusion.
[03:50] <letalis> lol
[03:50] <wastedfluid> didn't see the link for it, sorry
[03:50] <bacon333> lol
[03:50] <BluesKaj> NickPresta, my network install is awfully slow ...been 12 hrs , at 59% only :(   .think my repos is the U at sherbrooke PQ
[03:50] <jtmoney> compiz fusion is HOT
[03:51] <Hoondie> is it buggy?
[03:51] <bacon333> not really
[03:51] <bacon333> it's pretty good
[03:51] <Hoondie> cool.. will install it :)
[03:51] <bacon333> I've had it on my other machine for quite some time... doesn't like Blender too much though :(
[03:51] <letalis> its cool in gnome. i dislike it in kde, it doesnt play as nice as id like it to
[03:51] <Jucato> yes
[03:51] <Jucato> that's why it isn't in Kubuntu by default
[03:52] <bacon333> I suggest just trying it first with compiz --replace before going and writing a script for it
[03:52] <wastedfluid> if i don't like it, just restart x and it's gone (if i run it with compiz --replace) ?
[03:53] <letalis> id run kwin --replace first
[03:53] <bacon333> er
[03:53] <letalis> itll save in your session if you leave it
[03:53] <bacon333> what you do
[03:53] <bacon333> is you install compiz-fusion
[03:53] <bacon333> and at first, just run it with compiz --replace
[03:53] <wastedfluid> well, it's going to be a minute anyway.  it's taking forever to download anythin from the repo's
[03:53] <bacon333> however, if you like it, and you want it running off the get-go when you start your computer
[03:53] <bacon333> You should write a script and link it with your startup options...
[03:53] <wastedfluid> ok
[03:53] <bacon333> yeah, the repos are slow today
[03:54] <wastedfluid> eh, it's release day - I expected it
[03:54] <bacon333> I had a nice download speed for kubuntu 7.10 from a sweden server today though... and I'm in Canada..
[03:54] <wastedfluid> just not *this* slow
[03:54] <wastedfluid> I got it at about.. 150-250k/s
[03:54] <bacon333> 700 kbps... never gotten over 500 kbps before :/
[03:54] <wastedfluid> I was just dying of boredom lol
[03:54] <bacon333> ah
[03:54] <bacon333> lol
[03:54] <wastedfluid> Eh.  250kb/s = 250*8 = 2000kbps.. i was just bored out of my mind for 45 minutes lol
[03:55] <bacon333> sorry, meant 700 kb/s
[03:55] <bacon333> :D
[03:55] <wastedfluid> oh.  jesus.  you lucky rascal!
[03:55] <bacon333> yea
[03:55] <wastedfluid> i'd be satisified w/ 700
[03:55] <wastedfluid> that's a what.. 15 minute download?
[03:55] <bacon333> when I was going through the list, I only found 100 kbps..
[03:55] <bacon333> then I went to a swedish server, and boom, 700 kbps
[03:55] <bacon333> never gotten over 500 kb/s before
[03:56] <bacon333> I was really, lucky... and amazed to get 700 kb/s
[03:56] <wastedfluid> haha.. yah, i have comcast.. pretty fast.. i've gotten... 1.2-1.3mb/s before, and held it
[03:56] <wastedfluid> it's pretty fast
[03:56] <bacon333> The swedish have the best internet..
[03:56] <bacon333> they get like, 20 mbits for about 15 bucks a month :/
[03:56] <wastedfluid> I think I read a report that Japanese have the fastest
[03:56] <bacon333> ah
[03:56] <wastedfluid> said they enjoy 60mbps, average, in Japan.. I might be wrong, though
[03:56] <bacon333> hmm
[03:56] <wastedfluid> dude, the US was like ranked #13.. behind some counry i've NEVER heard of before
[03:57] <bacon333> lol
[03:57] <bacon333> European countries seem to have good internet..
[03:57] <bacon333> :/
[03:57] <bacon333> Canada is really bad for internet..
[03:57] <wastedfluid> ya.. and i'm stuck paying $60/month for cable.. yuck.
[03:57] <lontra> bacon333: europe is also sleeping right now
[03:57] <bacon333> I'm stuck paying 60/month for cable too, but I get a 20 gig cap
[03:57] <bacon333> true :D
[03:57] <FireTek> i want fios BAD
[03:57] <BluesKaj> bacon333, where in Canada are you ?
[03:58] <bacon333> Quebec
[03:58] <tjodalv> !compiz
[03:58] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:58] <wastedfluid> I want FIOS bad, too.. i'm THREE miles outside of their range!! ack!!
[03:58] <tazgodx> FireTek: is n00b
[03:58] <FireTek> lmfao
[03:58] <FireTek> tazgodx is gay
[03:58] <bacon333> lol
[03:58] <bacon333> flame war... anyone?
[03:59] <FireTek> lol
[03:59] <wastedfluid> haha, i guess i can't run compiz.. Checking for Xgl: not present.
[03:59] <ScorpKing> no be nice :P
[03:59] <FireTek> he referred me to here for help with sound card
[03:59] <bacon333> wasted
[03:59] <NickPresta> Can someone explain how I would configure a twinview setup in Gutsy? The upgrade seems to have bork'd my twinview configuration...
[03:59] <lontra> wastedfluid: use AIGLX?
[03:59] <bacon333> do you have your restricted drivers enabled?
[03:59] <wastedfluid> i have no idea what AIGLX is.
[03:59] <wastedfluid> i'm using a restricted driver for my video card
[03:59] <FireTek> dunno
[03:59] <FireTek> lol
[03:59] <wastedfluid> else, it's awful
[03:59] <lontra> !aiglx
[03:59] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[03:59] <bacon333> yeah
[03:59] <letalis> i wasnt using Xgl and it works with the nvidia drivers
[03:59] <bacon333> Only if Nvidia would release video card specs..
[03:59] <wastedfluid> i have an ATI.. but no idea
[03:59] <bacon333> I hate Windows Vista
[04:00] <fignew> NickPresta: install nvidia-settings
[04:00] <jtmoney> NickPresta: google twinview simplyrender
[04:00] <fignew> and that'll handle the twinview
[04:00] <jtmoney> NickPresta: those instructions worked for me
[04:00] <jtmoney> gay
[04:00] <Hoondie> hmmm.. compiz doesn't seem to be working
[04:00] <bacon333> did you install and then type in compiz --replace?
[04:00] <Hoondie> yea, that part worked..
[04:00] <bacon333> hmm
[04:00] <lontra> Hoondie: no window borders?
[04:00] <Hoondie> i have typed in ccsm and enabled stuff, that doesn't work
[04:01] <Hoondie> i have window borders
[04:01] <jtmoney> Hoondie: try alt+f2 kde-window-decorator --replace
[04:01] <wastedfluid> yeah, i installed it and typed compiz --replace.
[04:01] <jtmoney> NickPresta: google twinview simplyrender
[04:01] <jtmoney> NickPresta: those instructions worked for me
[04:01] <Hoondie> so i have the different window borders
[04:01] <fignew> NickPresta: install nvidia-settings
[04:01] <Hoondie> but they are not wobbely etc
[04:01] <NickPresta> sorry fignew X decided to just restart... Anyways, I already have nvidia settings. I can't see any of the sections on the left side. It's just the "settings" panel with 4 or 5 options...
[04:01] <kotelo> there's a problem with this http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/
[04:01] <kotelo> there's a problem with this http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/
[04:01] <kotelo> there's a problem with this http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/
[04:01] <kotelo> look the snapshot 6
[04:01] <jtmoney> Hoondie: they're not wobbly by default
[04:01] <Hoondie> i enabled it in ccsm
[04:02] <fignew> NickPresta: what type of card?
[04:02] <Jucato> kotelo: please don't repeat. we can read well
[04:02] <Jucato> kotelo: and yes that's known already
[04:02] <bacon333> If only my right mouse button worked... :(
[04:02] <NickPresta> 7900 GS. I've been using twinview for the last 10 months. This is directly related to the upgrade
[04:02] <wastedfluid> lol
[04:02] <wastedfluid> my right mouse button? man i thought i had it rough w/out being able to hibernate on a laptop
[04:02] <bacon333> wel
[04:02] <bacon333> well
[04:02] <jtmoney> heh, same here
[04:03] <Fade2Blac> can i run a 32bit distro on a 64bit cpu
[04:03] <Hoondie> any ideas on why it's not making my windows wobbley etc just changed the border? :(
[04:03] <bacon333> I have to hold it down really hard, and squeeze it down for it to work...
[04:03] <letalis> Fade2Blac: yes
[04:03] <bacon333> I have a crap mouse :D
[04:03] <wastedfluid> yes, I run a 32bit on a 64bit cpu
[04:03] <fignew> NickPresta: are you running nvidia-glx-legacy?
[04:03] <bacon333> my other computer is far better though... MX518, :D
[04:03] <wastedfluid> 64bit sucks.. just no support
[04:03] <jtmoney> NickPresta: i'm having LOTS of problems with the default nvidia package with 7.10... i'm installing the latest from ati at the moment
[04:03] <NickPresta> no
[04:03] <NickPresta> new
[04:03] <jtmoney> err *ati
[04:03] <ScorpKing> bacon333: you mean you hate this? - http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8489/mydesktop2uq8.jpg
[04:03] <ScorpKing> :P lol
[04:03] <jtmoney> ScorpKing: eww, why?
[04:04] <kotelo> Jucato, and who is going to fix that problem?
[04:04] <fignew> awesome
[04:04] <bacon333> :O
[04:04] <jtmoney> can't afford a proper version of vista? ;)
[04:04] <wastedfluid> why would you want to do that.
[04:04] <wastedfluid> Why.
[04:04] <bacon333> what's that?
[04:04] <kotelo> i can't see the command
[04:04] <kotelo> xD
[04:04] <Jucato> kotelo: Riddell when he wakes up
[04:04] <kotelo> hahaha
[04:04] <kotelo> xD
[04:04] <ScorpKing> jtmoney: a friend of mine told me it's not possible. ;)
[04:04] <wastedfluid> That's the ugliest thing I think I've ever seen in my entire life.
[04:04] <lontra> why would one want to make kde look like vista ... sad
[04:04] <bacon333> Nah, I rather use my KDE
[04:04] <letalis> lol
[04:04] <bacon333> Can't wait for KDE 4...
[04:04] <wastedfluid> if KDE4 is as big of a mess as 3.5.8.. count me out
[04:05] <letalis> i like dark colors but my menu is a kbfx kde logo :)
[04:05] <kgbenes> has anyone here tried the beta of kde?
[04:05] <fignew> NickPresta: also, nvidia is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:05] <fignew> right?
[04:05] <kgbenes> * kde 4
[04:05]  * Jucato reiterates KDE 4.0 != KDE 4
[04:05] <n1lo> i try.
[04:05] <NickPresta> fignew, yes...
[04:05] <lontra> wastedfluid: 3.5.8 may not be a mess ... just give it some time ... maybe it's packaging bugs on the kubuntu end
[04:05] <bacon333> well
[04:05] <bacon333> KDE 4 is supposedly far better and cleaner..
[04:05] <fignew> NickPresta: try legacy
[04:05] <wastedfluid> it's not 3.5.8 in general... just the stuff.  kmilo not working, kopete bugs.. i guess it's not really "kde"
[04:05] <MurielGodoi> Which is the easiest way to upgrade from feisty using the instalation CD which i just download?
[04:05] <NickPresta> fignew, why would I try legacy for my 7900?
[04:05] <bacon333> xfce ftw ^^
[04:05] <Jucato> bacon333: yes, but you have to clarify. KDE 4 isn't just KDE 4.0
[04:05] <thill2708> anyone able to use memory sticks on their comp?
[04:06] <letalis> i can
[04:06] <kotelo> Jucato, and you know what is the command in the snapshot number 6?
[04:06] <bacon333> hmm
[04:06] <Jucato> KDE 4.0 will be the first major release for KDE 4
[04:06] <letalis> you mean flash drives?
[04:06] <ScorpKing> lontra: some new users find it easy to use linux if it looks like something that they are use to. like the Linux XP distro.
[04:06] <kotelo> tell me please
[04:06] <kotelo> xD
[04:06] <letalis> i got two in my system as we speak
[04:06] <thill2708> letalis: yeah, but I mean specifically sony memory sticks
[04:06] <bacon333> Windows is horribly designed...
[04:06] <ScorpKing> yes
[04:06] <bacon333> basic user as administrator..
[04:06] <wastedfluid> Vista is the best looking OS they came out with in awhile.. it's just severely flawed.
[04:06] <Jucato> kotelo: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[04:06] <bacon333> stupidest philosophy M$ has pulled out of their arse.
[04:06] <kotelo> thanks
[04:06] <fignew> NickPresta: sorry, nvidia-glx instead of nvidia-glx-new
[04:06] <kotelo> :)
[04:06]  * ScorpKing agree
[04:06] <letalis> thill2708: what kind of card reader are you using on it
[04:06] <letalis> ?
[04:06] <thill2708> letalis: tifm
[04:07] <NickPresta> fignew, nvidia-glx is just a metapackage that selects either new or legacy
[04:07] <thill2708> letalis: it's the five in one that came with my acer laptop
[04:07] <thill2708> already did the google leg work. came up with zilch
[04:07] <fignew> NickPresta: no its not
[04:07] <MurielGodoi> Anyone knos how can I upgrade from feisty using the cd?
[04:07] <wastedfluid> thill2708: I've never got my card read to work on my Acer.
[04:07] <Hoondie> this might help.. when i do a "compiz --replace" it says this "aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity" "no /usr/bin/metacity found, exiting" but isn't metacity the gnome window manager?
[04:07] <letalis> thill2708: your best bet is to see what dmesg comes up with
[04:07] <lontra> Hoondie: it is the gnome wm
[04:07] <thill2708> wastedfluid: really? I got it all to work (installed the tifm modules)
[04:07] <fignew> The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-glx-new....The following NEW packages will be installed: nvidia-glx
[04:08] <Jucato> Hoondie: yes and it goes to show how compiz is very much gnome-oriented :)
[04:08] <wastedfluid> Nope.  I've never got it to work.
[04:08] <thill2708> letalis: Checked that too. Dmesg reports that a sony memory stick is in, and reports when I take it out.
[04:08] <letalis> sure it spews what appears to be useless info but itll be the place to start as far as figuring out whether the system sees it at all
[04:08] <thill2708> letalis: other than that, nothing happens, I think
[04:08] <bacon333> This pisses me off:
[04:08] <thill2708> at least, nothing pops up or gets mounted I guess
[04:08] <bacon333> http://vista.blorge.com/2007/04/27/vista-and-xp-get-virtual-3d-desktop-cube/
[04:08] <letalis> it shoudl assign it a device
[04:08] <ScorpKing> !ohmy | bacon333
[04:08] <Hoondie> Jucato: how can i tell it to use kde? or would that error matter?
[04:08] <ScorpKing> :P
[04:08] <letalis> my flashdrives are treated like scsi devices
[04:08] <thill2708> [
[04:08] <thill2708> [ 7105.380000] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:2
[04:08] <thill2708> [ 7105.488000]  mspblk0: p1
[04:09] <thill2708> urgh
[04:09] <Jucato> Hoondie: dunno. not a compiz kind of guy
[04:09] <thill2708> that came out wrong, sorry
[04:09] <fignew> bacon333: why do you care?
[04:09] <ubotu> bacon333: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:09] <thill2708> but yeah, that's what dmesg gives me
[04:09] <bacon333> sorry
[04:09] <ScorpKing> what happened to ubotu?
[04:09] <n1lo> KDE4 are nice, but. . . are to slow now. I compille it. For example if you aprox. the mouse on a "plasmoid", you'll see a little flick.
[04:09] <fignew> pisses = family allowable language
[04:09] <bacon333> hmm
[04:09] <bacon333> :D
[04:09] <bacon333> true..
[04:09] <wastedfluid> it depends on your family.
[04:09] <wastedfluid> lol
[04:09] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:09] <lontra> Hoondie: compiz doesn't use metacity it uses compiz
[04:09] <bacon333> the word 'crap' doesn't fly in my family..
[04:09] <lontra> Hoondie: compiz is the window manager
[04:09] <wastedfluid> back when I lived with my mother.. that word would get me slapped.. haha.
[04:09] <bacon333> 'shit' does, however..
[04:09] <kotelo> i will use kde4 in the version 4.5
[04:09] <kotelo> :B
[04:10] <letalis> thill2708: pm me ill help you with this
[04:10] <Jucato> kotelo: hm.. that would be in 2009+ hopefully?
[04:10] <thill2708> awesome
[04:10] <kotelo> hahahaha
[04:10] <kotelo> xDDD
[04:10] <letalis> im thinking of putting linux on an acer myself when i get some more money.
[04:10]  * ScorpKing slaps bacon333 before someone kicks him...
[04:10] <bacon333> ...
[04:10] <ScorpKing> :D
[04:10] <bacon333> uhuh
[04:10] <bacon333> Are there actually moderators here?
[04:10] <ScorpKing> hehe
[04:10] <Jucato> bacon333: yes
[04:11] <ScorpKing> yes
[04:11] <bacon333> I see..
[04:11] <Jucato> so please, tone down the language. thanks
[04:11] <wastedfluid> yup.
[04:11] <bacon333> *flees*
[04:11] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> bleh...  compiz fusion appears to be broken :\
[04:11] <wastedfluid> there's a few.. you never know who it is, until they oper up.. and you're gone. lol
[04:11] <n1lo> kotelo: Yeah, I think in version 4.2 or more high are batter.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> nite all
[04:11] <bacon333> heh, I'm used to Counter-strike..
[04:11] <Jucato> nite BluesKaj
[04:11] <bacon333> You should see the language in there... it gets 'heated' sometimes :D
[04:11] <jtmoney> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-a38c22ffc91074bf5a9e035fb239b67cc6402ffd ... "At next boot, Ubuntu will load an old version of fglrx, so you have to blacklist it by changing /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common to include DISABLED_MODULES="somemodule2 fglrx" where somemodule2 is the old contents of that line." how do i determine somemodule2 exactly?
[04:12] <wastedfluid> blah, I can't wait for a s2disk fix
[04:12] <kotelo> n1lo, exactly  :)
[04:13] <jtmoney> anyone? =(
[04:13] <Jucato> bacon333: true. in our place, it isnt "sometimes", it's the norm... but this isnt' CS :P
[04:13] <ubuntu> any reports pouring for the gutsy in this channel
[04:13] <wastedfluid> anyone have an idea when they might up to uswsusp 0.7 instead of the 0.6?
[04:13] <bacon333> I wonder if it would be possible to get compiz-fusion to run on a pentium 3...
[04:13] <bacon333> with 400 mhz
[04:13] <bacon333> and 256 megs of ram
[04:14] <Jucato> bacon333: you need more video card power than processor power
[04:14] <ScorpKing> bacon333: nope
[04:14] <bacon333> hmm
[04:14] <bacon333> I only have an 8 meg graphics card :(
[04:14] <ubuntu> people say gutsy is slow
[04:14] <Jucato> then nope
[04:14] <Jucato> people say elvis is still alive too :)
[04:14] <noam_> you need lots of graphics card. you also need lots of processor power for getting reasonable performance even without compiz fusion
[04:14] <lontra> ubuntu: what's your question?
[04:14] <n1lo> kotelo: The speedup of KDE4 are direct connect with Qt4 lib. . .
[04:15] <Jucato> n1lo: that may be true. but we don't have metrics yet to actually lean on that as absolutely 100% infallibly true
[04:15] <kotelo> D:
[04:16] <n1lo> Yeah!
[04:16] <MurielGodoi> how can i upgrade using adept getting the packages from cd?
[04:16] <ubuntu> Lontra: I need to have the confidence to install gutsy after learning in this channel
[04:16] <Jucato> MurielGodoi: what kind of CD do you have? Desktop CD or Alternate Install CD?
[04:16] <ScorpKing> bacon333: the best i managed on a box that size was xfce4 with some lightweight apps.
[04:17] <MurielGodoi> desktop
[04:17] <bacon333> really?
[04:17] <Jucato> MurielGodoi: you can't use that
[04:17] <bacon333> I'm on a pentium 3 right now..
[04:17] <bacon333> 450 mhz, 256 megs of ram, running Kubuntu
[04:17] <ubuntu> Lontra: Right now I am on live CD! Last week I started with fiesty, but faced many problems and lost windows also
[04:17] <bacon333> Runs very nicely :D
[04:17] <MurielGodoi> Jucato: outch... which cd should it be?
[04:17] <Jucato> ALternate Install CD
[04:17] <Jucato> !upgrade
[04:17] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:17] <ScorpKing> bacon333: 444Mhz 256MB RAM. it seems slow with kde
[04:18] <bacon333> Not to me :/
[04:18] <bacon333> Seems responsive..
[04:18] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:18] <bacon333> Well, more responsive than when I had Windows on it :/
[04:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> anyone familiar with compiz fusion's blacklisting of the intel i965 chipset?
[04:18] <jimmyww_> "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[04:18] <MurielGodoi> Can i save downloads if I copy all packages to /var/cache/apt?
[04:18] <ScorpKing> bacon333: yeah it will be. hehe
[04:18] <bacon333> Then again, Windows didn't respond much :D
[04:18] <jimmyww_> can someone help me with "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[04:18] <jdong> Daisuke_Laptop: I had someone explain it to me yesterday....
[04:19] <lontra> i see
[04:19] <snowdonkey> Hi.  What do I need to add to my sources.list to download packages "w32codecs" and "libxine-extracodecs".  Enabling all repositories in Adept didn't work.
[04:19] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: google for apt-move howto for that
[04:19] <jdong> Daisuke_Laptop: not saying I understand perfectly :)
[04:19] <lontra> snowdonkey: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:19] <jdong> snowdonkey: google for "medibuntu"
[04:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> jdong: there was something like SKIP_CHECK in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[04:19] <jdong> snowdonkey: that repository contains w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[04:19] <jimmyww_> "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0" help me
[04:19] <lontra> jdong: isn't that include in the kubuntu-restricted-extras metapackage?
[04:20] <jdong> jimmyww_: that is not an error
[04:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> !patience | jimmyww_
[04:20] <ubotu> jimmyww_: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:20] <jdong> lontra: no, it is not
[04:20] <snowdonkey> lontra, jdong: Great, thanks.
[04:20] <jdong> lontra: w32codecsi s illegal for Ubuntu to redistribute and is not in multiverse
[04:20] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: if you just copy the packages there it won't work. if you run apt-move after you've copied it and create a local repo it will. :)
[04:20] <Jucato> !helpersnack | jdong
[04:20] <ubotu> jdong: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[04:20] <jimmyww_> jdong,  how do i fix then
[04:20] <jdong> Jucato: lol nice factoid :D
[04:20] <Jucato> jdong: haha never saw it before? :)
[04:20] <n1lo> Jucato: I'll try to help the KDE4, with testing and some "K"ode!
[04:20] <ScorpKing> welcome back ubotu!
[04:21] <jdong> jimmyww_: what's wrong? That error is normal on machiens without a floppy drive
[04:21] <jdong> Jucato: first time
[04:21] <MurielGodoi> ScorpKing: nice... thanks for the tip :)
[04:21] <bacon333> Kool desktop environment..
[04:21] <Jucato> n1lo: that's the spirit! :)
[04:21] <jimmyww_> jdong, so how do i run the live cd
[04:22] <jdong> jimmyww_: can you describe the symptoms of what's wrong?
[04:22] <NightBird> why do I have this feeling doing any updates to k/ubuntu is going to take awhile today...
[04:22] <bacon333> I've figured out a perfect linux formula... 2 substances... Linux + Coffee = win.. true story
[04:22] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: it's saves me tons of work. copy odd packages to /var/cache/apt/archives and run apt-move. it will sort everything out and make your day a bit brighter. :D
[04:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> bacon333: you would make genii proud :)
[04:22] <bacon333> genii?
[04:22] <jimmyww_> jdong, i use the live cd of any distro and when it runs
[04:22] <bacon333> :(
[04:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> bacon333: he's one of the ops around here, he's a coffee fanatic :)
[04:23] <bacon333> ah
[04:23] <jimmyww_> jdong, after i choose start or live cd
[04:23] <bacon333> coffee rules :D
[04:23]  * ScorpKing sips coffee and pass genii another beer...
[04:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes, yes it does
[04:23] <MurielGodoi> can I copy the entire gutsy packages to there and run apt-get dist?
[04:23] <jimmyww_> jdong, it loads normal then i get "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[04:23] <MurielGodoi> after runs apt-move :)
[04:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> jimmyww_: does that cause a complete lockup of the live cd?
[04:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> or does it continue loading?
[04:24] <jimmyww_> dasike_laptop, what do you mean
[04:24] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: yes. make sure you setup a local repo tho.
[04:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> jimmyww_: this is when you're booting the livecd right?
[04:24] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: and add it to sources.list and so on.
[04:24] <bacon333> I have no idea why I keep reading "connection reset by beer"
[04:24] <jimmyww_> daisuke_laptop; yep
[04:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> do you have a floppy drive hooked up
[04:25] <jdong> jimmyww_: that buffer IO error just means you don't have a floppy drive. It is actually not related to your problem (which I don't know what it is yet :D)
[04:26] <bacon333> hmm
[04:26] <bacon333> any other kubuntu channels?
[04:26] <jimmyww_> jdong, i cant do anything after this error appears, it just repeats
[04:26] <ScorpKing> bacon333: there is #ubuntu and #edubuntu and i think #xubuntu
[04:27] <LastMall> and maybe a #kde too
[04:27] <jimmyww_> and i cant use alternite cd, i have to use live cd
[04:27]  * ScorpKing nods
[04:27] <bacon333> ah
[04:27] <ScorpKing> #linux is helpfull as well
[04:27] <bacon333> hmm
[04:28] <Fade2Blac> lol thats cool the trouble i was having with my wireless card just got answerd in the new version of ubuntu
[04:28] <noam_> Fade2Blac, out of curiosity, what was the problem?
[04:28] <ScorpKing> bacon333: i think /list will give you a list of channels but you might get lag from that.
[04:28] <mrksbrd> has anyone had difficulty running updates in 7.10????
[04:28] <jtmoney> yeah, /list *ubuntu*
[04:28] <LastMall> i do a commandline install from the alternate disk, then add kde-core per Jucato's page instructions.  then add the other stuff I need/want
[04:28] <jtmoney> mrksbrd: yeah, the servers are getting hammered
[04:29] <bacon333> hahaha
[04:29] <mrksbrd> ok just wanted to make sure it wasn't me
[04:29] <Fade2Blac> my wireless card needed some kind of driver and it wouldnt let me start kubuntu
[04:29] <ScorpKing> mrksbrd: it's more like everyone. :P
[04:29] <jtmoney> can i apply updates during the installer so that they get installed on my hard drive, or will they only be applied to the live version?
[04:29] <bacon333> ah yes, some lag
[04:29] <LastMall> kinda funny that anyone even wonders about maybe updates today might be a tad slow
[04:29] <bacon333> but not too much
[04:29] <mrksbrd> I noticed the d/l for it was very slow as well
[04:29] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:30] <jtmoney> jesus
[04:30] <ScorpKing> he's not here
[04:30] <jtmoney> buddha?
[04:30] <ScorpKing> neither
[04:30] <jtmoney> thor, zeus, juju?
[04:30] <jtmoney> (richard dawkins reference for anyone who's alert)
[04:30] <ScorpKing> uhm.. who knows...
[04:31] <surgy>  can someone help me please? i am running world of warcraft on kubuntu feisty using cedega and it ran fine up until today and now it seams as though it takes an extra 20 or more seconds to load and when it does there is no sound
[04:31] <the-erm> is sudo apt-get dist-upgrade basically the same as running adept_updater?
[04:31] <surgy> sound works fine in amarok
[04:31] <noam_> omg, dist-upgrade.py is taking 800mb physical RAM (1.4GB virtual) in the "cleaning up" stage
[04:31] <mrksbrd> also cannot get firefox to install via sudo apt....any ideas??
[04:31] <bacon333> hmm
[04:31] <jtmoney> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:32] <ScorpKing> or wait a while
[04:32] <mrksbrd> says cannot locate
[04:32] <bacon333> or just use a package manager?
[04:32] <ScorpKing> enable the repo for firefox
[04:32] <mrksbrd> package mgr is sluggish
[04:32] <jtmoney> mrksbrd: can you apt-et install anything?
[04:32] <jtmoney> *apt-get
[04:32] <bacon333> true
[04:32] <mrksbrd> ummm...never tried that
[04:32] <mrksbrd> oh'
[04:33] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:33] <bacon333> It depends how awesome your computer is too..
[04:33] <mrksbrd> thought there was a new command...lol
[04:33] <ScorpKing> ;)
[04:33]  * ScorpKing giggles...
[04:33] <bacon333> although your computer may be fast, it may not have the awesome level as say, my 223 mhz box has... :D
[04:33] <mrksbrd> let me try something else brb
[04:34] <bacon333> I often say things that really don't make sense.. :/
[04:34] <noam_> in a moment, i will restart the system. hopefully all will be well.
[04:34] <ScorpKing> bacon333: that could be awesome for your blood presure sometimes. :P
[04:34] <bacon333> :D
[04:34] <bacon333> noam_>: boom now?
[04:34] <noam_> yup. i'm 83% through "cleaning up"
[04:34] <bacon333> haha
[04:34] <bacon333> I didn't even get into the er... installing tings.. part...
[04:35] <mrksbrd> there it goes....sorry must just have been due to the servers being hammered
[04:35] <bacon333> probably because I installed KDE on top of xubuntu.. :/
[04:35] <bacon333> yes, the servers do drink lots of beer :D
[04:35] <noam_> nah, that's not it
[04:35] <bacon333> hmm
[04:35] <bacon333> well, something happened to my computer..
[04:36] <ScorpKing> how can i redownload but not install all the packages on my box?
[04:37] <bacon333> no idea
[04:37] <ScorpKing> :( i'm missing the kde packages because i used the live cd to install
[04:38] <bacon333> I am so tired...
[04:38] <ScorpKing> why?
[04:38] <bacon333> dunno
[04:38] <bacon333> just tired :D
[04:38] <bacon333> not enough sleep :D
[04:38] <bacon333> Sleep? What's that?
[04:38]  * ScorpKing thinks sleep is a luxuary...
[04:39] <bacon333> pfft
[04:39] <bacon333> would be awesome if we didn't require it..
[04:39] <ScorpKing> heh, it's 05:40 here. it's gonna be a long day...
[04:39] <bacon333> lol
[04:40] <Linus2> Install question pertaining  to Install of 6.0? a few weeks ago on an old iMac.  In System Services ==:
[04:40] <mrksbrd> one last ?.....has anyone attempted to due a full backup & burn it to dvd???  what i'm attempting to do is make a bootable dvd once I have everything installed "just in case" something should go wrong
[04:40] <shakey> hi all
[04:40] <shakey> has anyone upgraded to gutsy?
[04:40] <bacon333> I have
[04:40] <bacon333> one one of my computers..
[04:40] <mrksbrd> mee too
[04:40] <bacon333> lots of problems...
[04:40] <shakey> oic...
[04:40] <bacon333> I don't recommend doing so yet..
[04:40] <shakey> you upgraded to the official release?
[04:40] <bacon333> wait like... a month or something
[04:40] <ScorpKing> shakey: most people are still trying.
[04:41] <mrksbrd> already 147 updates avail!!!
[04:41] <bacon333> :/
[04:41] <Fade2Blac> blame it on the rain that was falling
[04:41] <bacon333> I think it's usually a good idea to update about half a month after it's released..
[04:41] <bacon333> so some updates are released, to fix any immediate problems you may get after installing
[04:41] <Linus2> Install question pertaining  to Install of 6.0? a few weeks ago on an old iMac.  In System Services ==> System Settings: it says 'Module could not load... and "Error occurred during upgrade..."  How do I reinstall just that item?
[04:42] <noam_> well then, i'm on gutsy! and indeed, kopete crashed
[04:42]  * ScorpKing is away for now...
[04:42] <bacon333> *really dislikes the word 'crash'...
[04:42] <mrksbrd> also seems konquer doesn't seem to like web addresses still
[04:43] <bacon333> Sometimes, I get nightmares about BSODs...
[04:43] <noam_> how can someone ship kopete, a respectable program, for a new version of an operating system millions of people use?
[04:43] <bacon333> Well, not really, but close enough
[04:43] <bacon333> I like pidgin...
[04:43] <shakey> did 7.04 run into these problems first day of release?
[04:43] <shakey> * or similiar problems
[04:44] <bacon333> hmm
[04:44] <bacon333> well, I had one problem
[04:44] <bacon333> it had to do with the K menuj
[04:44] <jtmoney> shakey: no
[04:44] <jtmoney> shakey: i'm reinstalling 7.04 right now :-X
[04:44] <bacon333> the other problem had to do with...
[04:44] <bacon333> installation issues
[04:44] <cptnspoon> Hi again all, my Gutsy upgrade started this time with no troubles however now it's stuck on the "Modifying SOftware Upgrades" step of the Distro Upgrade process. It's been 99% done for well over an hour?!
[04:44] <shakey> its disheartening really
[04:44] <bacon333> not good spoon..
[04:44] <bacon333> don't know man
[04:45] <cptnspoon> Is this still server issues and if so should I just try to wait it out?
[04:45] <mrksbrd> shakey, just give the guys some time they will perfect it
[04:45] <bacon333> my install crashed at 82 percent
[04:45] <bacon333> I unplugged the network cable, and it resumed
[04:45] <cptnspoon> Damn man!
[04:46] <cptnspoon> Hmm, I suppose I could try that
[04:46] <bacon333> Linux is always perfect...
[04:46] <bacon333> >.>
[04:46] <bacon333> <.<
[04:46] <Kream> is it possible for squid to cache https ?
[04:46] <mrksbrd> true!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:46] <Kream> or even, proxy https ?
[04:46] <cptnspoon> But I haven't even got to download the actual upgrades yet...I'm wondering whether I should try to restart
[04:46] <shakey> kde > gnome
[04:46] <bacon333> yes
[04:46] <bacon333> hmm
[04:46] <shakey> sorry, i just had to say it
[04:46] <bacon333> ok, comparrisions..:
[04:46] <bacon333> emacs, or Vi
[04:46] <shakey> eclipse
[04:46] <pillowpants> whats the site that allows you to collaborate code again?
[04:46] <cptnspoon> Vi hands down.
[04:46] <bacon333> I say emacs
[04:46] <mrksbrd> bacon33, have u ever attempted this...........anyone attempted to due a full backup & burn it to dvd???  what i'm attempting to do is make a bootable dvd once I have everything installed "just in case" something should go wrong
[04:47] <pillowpants> i always forget the name
[04:47] <bacon333> never tried it
[04:47] <shakey> hey good question though, i want to learn one of the two...you guys reccomend vi?
[04:47] <bacon333> I say emacs..
[04:47] <bacon333> Torvalds uses a form of emacs..
[04:47] <mrksbrd> wonder if reconstructor can handle that
[04:47] <shakey> vi has all the crazy keyboard shortcuts, right?
[04:47] <bacon333> yes
[04:47] <bacon333> but emacs does too
[04:47] <bacon333> :D
[04:47] <NightBird> er... I think emacs probably is better known for crazy keyboard shortcuts
[04:48] <bacon333> emcas has a built in psychiatrist :D
[04:48] <shakey> haha
[04:48] <bacon333> actually
[04:48] <bacon333> althoug unrelated
[04:48] <NightBird> vi has crazy modes you switch between
[04:48] <cptnspoon> haha
[04:48] <bacon333> Blender has some really crazy keyboard subjects (modelling program)
[04:48] <NightBird> yeah...
[04:48]  * NightBird preferes emacs over vi
[04:48] <bacon333> I swear every key on the keyboard is binded to something
[04:48] <shakey> o yea, i remember vi, i dont like switching
[04:48] <NightBird> but then again, I've learned emacs, and not vi, so that might be why
[04:48] <bacon333> in Blender
[04:49] <pillowpants> whats the sight you can copy/paste things to and share stuff with people?
[04:49] <bacon333> hehe
[04:49] <bacon333> Ed is best..
[04:49] <shakey> is there a version of emacs that looks better than emacs 21?
[04:49] <bacon333> it's the standard.
[04:49] <shakey> !xemacs
[04:49] <NightBird> go nano :O
[04:49] <bacon333> heh
[04:49] <shakey> yea nano is aight
[04:49] <letalis> whoever wrote vi didnt understand the concept of productivity.
[04:49] <bacon333> I like nano sometimes
[04:49] <letalis> lol
[04:49] <bacon333> haha
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xemacs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <NightBird> nano is what i use for small edits from a command line
[04:50] <bacon333> yes
[04:50] <bacon333> when I was installing gentoo a while back, I used nano a lot
[04:50] <bacon333> gentoo is difficult to install... well, not difficult
[04:50] <bacon333> but can be a tedious task
[04:50] <NightBird> any files I need to edit as root gets edited using nano >_>
[04:50] <bacon333> hehehe
[04:50] <bacon333> hmm
[04:51] <shakey> i like the idea of gentoo...i just never knew what cflags to use on my cpu
[04:51] <bacon333> menu.lst? "D
[04:51] <bacon333> oh
[04:51] <letalis> i like nano and out of habit i still type pico.
[04:51] <letalis> lol
[04:51]  * shakey likes nano but admitedly doesnt know many shortcuts in it
[04:51] <jdong> bacon333: it's not "difficult" (it makes sense and is logical) just time consuming because it's unautomated :)
[04:51] <mrksbrd> can kubuntu run on the new mac's w/intel chipset???
[04:51] <NightBird> doesn't ubuntu basically replace pico with a call to nano?
[04:51] <jdong> rather, WAS unautomated
[04:52] <letalis> NightBird: indeed
[04:52] <jdong> NightBird: yes
[04:52] <bacon333> gentoo is difficult when you make stupid types on command lines :D
[04:52] <letalis> nano and pico are essentally the same
[04:52] <bacon333> like, -c instead of -C
[04:52] <letalis> maybe minor differences
[04:52] <bacon333> (even though at one point they specifically point out to NOT use -c instead of -C) :D
[04:52] <bacon333> I've done the gentoo install so many times
[04:53] <bacon333> I've memorized some stuff..
[04:53] <bacon333> one being, hdparm -tT /dev/hda :D
[04:53] <ekrengel> its taking foreeever to download the upgrades for gutsy
[04:53] <shakey> the easiest way to install gentoo is to hook up the box over the network, and then ssh into it through another computer
[04:54] <bacon333> ah
[04:54] <shakey> that way you can copy and paste what you are unsure of - using "-c" instead of "-C"
[04:54] <bacon333> A nice script would be nice too
[04:54] <se7en^Of^9> ekrengel: you might not be the only one ... :)
[04:54]  * NightBird explodes
[04:54] <ekrengel> se7en^Of^9: : P
[04:54] <shakey> i read an interview with linus and he was saying he doesnt like gentoo for some reason
[04:54] <shakey> linus is really opinionated
[04:54] <bacon333> he is
[04:54] <bacon333> slackware, anyone?
[04:54] <NightBird> and?
[04:55] <shakey> he is crazy
[04:55] <bacon333> hmm
[04:55] <bacon333> nah, he's just Finnish :D
[04:55] <shakey> does he even have a resume?
[04:55] <NightBird> heh
[04:55] <NightBird> shakey: why would he need one?
[04:55] <shakey> lol thats the point
[04:56] <NightBird> it's like asking if bill gates has a resume...
[04:56] <bacon333> Bill Gates needs a resume
[04:56] <bacon333> If I were to own an IT company, II woudln't hire Bill Gates..
[04:57] <bacon333> or really any computer technology type company..
[04:57] <shakey> i would hire him
[04:57] <mrksbrd> what is ubufox???
[04:57]  * letalis billy gates holds up a dusty 5.25 disk of q-dos "I stoled it myself!" :D
[04:57] <bacon333> hiring bill gates?
[04:57] <bacon333> well, if you want lots of GoTo's in your code..
[04:57] <shakey> haha
[04:57] <shakey> but its good to surround yourself with diverse minds
[04:57] <bacon333> sec, I have an interesting link..
[04:57] <bacon333> let me get it
[04:58] <shakey> !find ksq
[04:58] <ubotu> Package/file ksq does not exist in gutsy
[04:58] <shakey> oooo...no kidding
[04:58] <shakey> is there a way to search feisty repos via !find?
[04:59] <bacon333> aw
[05:00] <bacon333> can't find it..
[05:00] <bacon333> there's 2 images..
[05:00] <bacon333> one shows routed system calls extremely neat and tidy
[05:00] <bacon333> in a linux machine
[05:00] <bacon333> and one image shows system calls extremely messy and un-decryptable..
[05:00] <bacon333> which is Windows :D
[05:01] <shakey> its funny to think...do people sit in IRC rooms dedicated to windows?
[05:01] <bacon333> I'm pretty sure Microsoft Windows is radioactive...
[05:01] <bacon333> I don't think there are windows fanboys, do you?
[05:01] <bacon333> :D
[05:01] <shakey> i used to work with one
[05:02] <bacon333> work with one?
[05:02] <bacon333> did it work?
[05:02] <shakey> yea
[05:02] <shakey> wait
[05:02] <shakey> no
[05:02] <bacon333> lol
[05:02] <shakey> yea to the first question
[05:02] <NightBird> yes, there are windows fanboys
[05:02] <bacon333> wow
[05:02] <mrksbrd> I used to be a big windows fan.....until I found Ubuntu....the rest is history!!!
[05:02] <snowdonkey> Are desktop effects included by default for Gutsy in KDE, or just Gnome?
[05:02] <ScorpKing> in #windows mostly
[05:02] <bacon333> oh, are they the ones who think windows vista is a good operating system?
[05:03] <NightBird> one of the people at work would have us upgrade to vista if he had any say in it
[05:03] <ScorpKing> bacon333: the best ever aparently
[05:03] <ScorpKing> lol
[05:03] <bacon333> depends what your definition of "upgrade" is..
[05:03] <se7en^Of^9> vista sux i just downgraded back to xp
[05:03] <NightBird> luckly enough, chances are vista would keep us from working
[05:03] <mrksbrd> Vista is the worst OS since windows ME
[05:03] <NightBird> so we haven't done anything
[05:03] <shakey> i had vista on my work laptop..it couldnt even run vs2005 without crying
[05:03] <sub[t]rnl> snowdonkey: just gnome
[05:04] <bacon333> yeah, the horrible attempts at 'good graphics' distract me.
[05:04] <shakey> id be upset if kde was readily available on windows
[05:04] <bacon333> I would too :(
[05:04] <mrksbrd> alot of manufactures are sending their computers out ONLY vista capable....will run into probs if trying to downgrade back to XP
[05:04] <ScorpKing> how can i make the bootsplash image be 640x480 during startup and shutdown?
[05:04] <sub[t]rnl> snowdonkey: at least if your referring to compiz-fusion
[05:05] <bacon333> lol
[05:05] <bacon333> I have to register in the windows chatroom
[05:05] <ScorpKing> shakey: kde4 will run on windows
[05:05] <shakey> mrksbrd: yea, i actually "downgraded" my work laptop to XP, and i had to search for a lot of drivers
[05:05] <shakey> ScorpKing: any clue why?
[05:05] <mrksbrd> it's BS...talk about a monoply
[05:05] <bacon333> My eyesight has degraded since I saw all the MIcrosoft marketing
[05:06] <ScorpKing> shakey: not sure. maybe people will get use to kde and come to linux.
[05:06] <bacon333> I like the choice in Linux...
[05:06] <bacon333> more than anything..
[05:06] <bacon333> apparently Linus Torvalds also hates gnome
[05:07] <shakey> bacon333: yea ive read numerous articles on that
[05:07] <snowdonkey> sub[t]rnl: Yea, that's what I meant.
[05:07] <noam_> linus either loves things or hates things. don't take him too seriously
[05:07] <ScorpKing> bacon333: no use hating it. they work hard too you know. :P
[05:07] <shakey> what i dont get is...he stated that he uses fedora...which runs gnome, right?
[05:07] <bacon333> who works hard?
[05:07] <snowdonkey> sub[t]rnl: Possibly coming after KDE 4?
[05:07] <bacon333> fedora can run KDE and gnome
[05:07] <shakey> oic
[05:08] <bacon333> yes, I've used it ;)
[05:08] <shakey> i thought it defaulted to gnome
[05:08] <ScorpKing> bacon333: everyone giving their time to OSS
[05:08] <bacon333> nope, it gives you choice
[05:08] <noam_> he has had a techtalk in google about how every single source control system in the world completely sucks except for git
[05:08] <bacon333> hmm
[05:08] <bacon333> I don't mind gnome
[05:08] <bacon333> actaully, I really like open source software
[05:08] <ScorpKing> i don't use it
[05:08] <bacon333> it gives you choice
[05:08] <bacon333> and it's good
[05:08] <shakey> noam_: haha i saw that presentation on youtube
[05:08]  * ScorpKing nods
[05:08] <bacon333> I don't use gnome either, but for some people it's fine
[05:08] <shakey> "they all suck except for the one i made"
[05:08] <ScorpKing> lol
[05:09] <bacon333> lol
[05:09] <bacon333> One thing I hate about Windows..
[05:09] <bacon333> no choice, all restrictions (DRM)
[05:09] <ScorpKing> lol. like thats working.
[05:09] <bacon333> tired of companies telling me of when, where, and what time of day I can watch my movies and other media..
[05:09] <mrksbrd> bacon...how about having to pay for everything
[05:09] <bacon333> pay?
[05:09] <bacon333> money?
[05:09] <bacon333> :O
[05:10] <bacon333> I'd actually pay for linux..
[05:10] <bacon333> but that doesn't really make sense.. soo
[05:10] <noam_> "you see, SVN calls itself CVS Done Right. that can't be, you can't do CVS right. the SVN developers are probably in this room, right? you're stupid!"
[05:10] <noam_> gotta love the man
[05:10] <shakey> yea, hes nice alright
[05:10] <bacon333> lol
[05:10] <ScorpKing> hehe
[05:11] <bacon333> yes, Torvalds ALSO hates CVS and SVN..
[05:11] <bacon333> I saw part of his video at google..
[05:11] <bacon333> cool, a guy from finland..
[05:12] <ScorpKing> a google search for linus trovalds shows that video there.
[05:12] <intelikey> can anyone tell me why a box would boot sometimes eth card A is eth0 and some times eth card B is eth0 ???
[05:12] <noam_> google techtalks own. well most of them aren't interesting
[05:12] <bacon333> lol
[05:13] <ScorpKing> hey intelikey! some boxes does that. no idea why tho.
[05:13] <intelikey> ScorpKing so i'm noticing
[05:13] <hydrogen> linux hates lots of things
[05:14] <hydrogen> err
[05:14] <hydrogen> linu\s
[05:14] <bacon333> linus
[05:14] <bacon333> :D
[05:14] <ScorpKing> lol
[05:14] <hydrogen> and he just happens to be in a position where his opinions are considdered of equal worth to the scriptures by geeks everywhere
[05:14] <hydrogen> so he gets worshipped for the wrong reasons
[05:15] <bacon333> Anyone here ever been on USENET?
[05:15] <bacon333> ?
[05:15] <bacon333> I've never been on it / used it :/
[05:15] <LiL-JoN> bacon333: what is that?
[05:15] <bacon333> exactly
[05:15] <noam_> i'm too young
[05:15] <noam_> to have used it
[05:15] <bacon333> I've never used it either
[05:15] <shakey> is it like arpanet?
[05:15] <ScorpKing> bah, we had 2 days sunshine in the past 3 weeks and i need to do some whashing.
[05:16] <shakey> if i wanted to set up my nic card to be static, what is the name of that config file?  i thought it was /etc/networks...
[05:16] <bacon333> I believe USENET is like an un-moderated chat platform or something..
[05:16] <mrksbrd> scorp...good god where the heck do u live in the rain forest?
[05:16] <bacon333> of the old days of the interwebz
[05:17] <bacon333> he pulled a cat-5 cable into the rainforest :D
[05:17] <jimmyww_> how do i continue to boot from busybox
[05:17] <intelikey> shakey yes etc/networks/interfaces
[05:17] <intelikey> jimmyww_ mount the root fs on /root and exit
[05:18] <shakey> ahh, danke
[05:18] <bacon333> hmm
[05:18] <lee986321> i think i am seeding ubuntu 7.10 lol
[05:18] <bacon333> I wonder how you would go upon messing up a windows ME box..
[05:18] <lee986321> eh how do i seed kubuntu
[05:18]  * shakey doesnt understand "seed"
[05:19] <mrksbrd> bacon...use next is really confusing...I use usenext which is very user friendly & has everything
[05:19] <bacon333> torrents
[05:19] <ScorpKing> lee986321: just leave it there after the download
[05:19] <lee986321> neither do i lol
[05:19] <mrksbrd> *usenet
[05:19] <shakey> lol
[05:19] <intelikey> jimmyww_ the reason it didn't mount automaticly is what you'll have to determine.   probably didn't load the right module for the disk   or possably the /dev/root device node is incorrect.
[05:19] <lee986321> i have ubuntu but not kbuntu
[05:19] <bacon333> ah
[05:19] <bacon333> :/
[05:19] <jimmyww_> intelikey, thx
[05:20] <lee986321> so i down load the iso then?
[05:20] <jimmyww_> itelikey, how do i continue to boot from (initramfs)
[05:20] <agm_> ps  shows a process ' - :0 '  what is this
[05:20] <the-erm> Is it possible to upgrade from the iso?
[05:20] <intelikey> jimmyww_ i might be able to walk you through that.  if it's not a raid array or some exotic somethin'
[05:21] <bacon333> Isn't Usenext proprietary?
[05:21] <jimmyww_> no
[05:21] <intelikey> jimmyww_ what fs is it ?
[05:21] <jimmyww_> can you go in the #xubuntu irc for me
[05:21] <lee986321> good  heavens i am all over th plannet ugg
[05:21] <intelikey> and what disk/partition address ?
[05:21] <mrksbrd> how do u mean proprietary???
[05:21] <bacon333> i.e. not free?
[05:21] <jimmyww_> someone in there is helping me
[05:22] <mrksbrd> usenet isn't free either.......
[05:22] <noam_> adept keeps insisting that i should upgrade to a new distribution, although i already have
[05:22] <bacon333> huh
[05:22] <mrksbrd> usenext has 4 tier pacages avail...cheapest is 10.00/mo
[05:23] <shakey> what is a java programmer on ubuntu supposed to do?  sun jdk > gcj
[05:23] <bacon333> huh
[05:23] <mrksbrd> ]for 10gb allowance
[05:23] <bacon333> yeah
[05:23] <hydrogen> noam_: you were suggested as the lucky tester of hardy heron!
[05:23] <bacon333> I don't know much about usenet
[05:23] <bacon333> meh
[05:23] <shakey> lol@hyrdrogen
[05:23] <noam_> shakey, install jdk
[05:23] <shakey> yea i did, eclipse boots faster now
[05:23] <mrksbrd> usenet you have to pay as well to access their "news" servers
[05:23] <hydrogen> shakey: the same thing a java programmer anywhere else is supposed to do.. wallow in misery and wish they were cool enough to use a real language
[05:23]  * hydrogen hides
[05:23] <bacon333> meh
[05:24] <lee986321> dint realise there ws need for ps2 linux dvd either llol
[05:24] <bacon333> forget usenet then..
[05:24] <mrksbrd> www.usenext.com
[05:24]  * shakey thinks pwn
[05:24] <bacon333> yeah
[05:24] <bacon333> costs $?
[05:24] <mrksbrd> 10.00/mo for 10gb, 17.83 for 20gb
[05:25]  * shakey wishes he had leet C skillz
[05:25] <bacon333> meh
[05:25] <bacon333> wow, a whopping 1.000 kbps download rate..
[05:25] <mrksbrd> onlything there isn't alot of linux stuffon there.....obviously
[05:25] <bacon333> yeah
[05:25] <bacon333> hmm
[05:25] <bacon333> I feel like having a flamewar right now..
[05:26] <bacon333> with... an unsuspecting Windows user...
[05:26] <noam_> bacon333, no you don't!
[05:26] <mrksbrd> i have fios service & get over 2000kbs/sec...which is actually 2+ mb/s
[05:26] <MurielGodoi> Is there is isolated packages files at desktop cd?
[05:26] <bacon333> k
[05:26] <bacon333> so
[05:26] <bacon333> is noam a moderator or something?
[05:27] <bacon333> who are the moderators?
[05:27] <mrksbrd> i've been with them for about 3 yrs now...they have everything...music, just released movies....etc
[05:27] <bacon333> k
[05:27] <bacon333> yeah, I'm not going to start paying money :D
[05:27] <bacon333> I'm too cheap :D
[05:27] <bacon333> bit torrent.. >.>
[05:28] <bacon333> <.<
[05:28] <mrksbrd> [00:28] [Whois] noam_ is an identified user
[05:28] <bacon333> heh
[05:28] <bacon333> anyway
[05:28] <bacon333> off to bed
[05:28] <bacon333> night guys
[05:28] <noam_> oh, i'm not a moderator, i just have a sense of humor
[05:28] <bacon333> its 12 .
[05:28] <bacon333> k
[05:28] <bacon333> later :D
[05:29] <LiL-JoN> anyone here on gutsy
[05:29] <noam_> heh. it's 6:30 am here
[05:29] <letalis> i am
[05:29] <ScorpKing> same here
[05:29] <mrksbrd> 12am here
[05:29] <letalis> 12:30 am
[05:29] <noam_> LiL-JoN, if you're looking for people using ubuntu and KDE, you've come to the right place!
[05:29] <bacon333> I'll be back, one day.
[05:29] <mrksbrd> LIL...I am
[05:29] <bacon333> .or tomorrow
[05:29] <bacon333> night
[05:29] <mrksbrd> cya bacon
[05:29] <LiL-JoN> letalis: is gutsy slow?
[05:29] <jtt> noam_, and where is that
[05:29] <noam_> right here
[05:30] <noam_> ah. israel
[05:30] <letalis> LiL-JoN: to be honest i havent noticed a slowdown
[05:30] <jtt> noam_, ok
[05:30] <letalis> sure you dont hacesses that didnt die in the background?
[05:30] <noam_> LiL-JoN, compared to what? i haven't noticed anything slower so far
[05:30] <letalis> processes
[05:30] <LiL-JoN> letalis: thats good to hear now im going to go make a install disk but can somebody help me ive never burnt a disk on linux before only on windows
[05:30] <ScorpKing> ugh, i can't use Tweety as i nic coz Tweety is useing it. hehe. hi Tweety. :P ;)
[05:31] <letalis> k3b looks almost just like nero
[05:31] <MurielGodoi> LiL-JoN: one guy told me that their boot time got 20seconds faster after upgate
[05:31] <Name141> What will be the md5sum of the ISO ?
[05:31] <Name141> The correct one.
[05:31] <LiL-JoN> MurielGodoi: yeah i heard that too
[05:31] <ScorpKing> Name141: it will be in the download website
[05:32] <ScorpKing> on*
[05:32] <Name141> Oh yeah I see now.
[05:32] <ScorpKing> run md5sum yourimage.iso to get the one from the image
[05:33] <MurielGodoi> ScorpKing: Arfet install apt-move i noticed that desktop cd has no isolated package files, so I can't use that :
[05:33] <ScorpKing> true
[05:33] <MurielGodoi> ScorpKing: is there other way to upgrade my system without download 700mb again?
[05:34] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: how do i tell if my iso file is genuine. how do i run md5 sum
[05:34] <ScorpKing> run md5sum yourimage.iso to get the one from the image
[05:34] <shakey> LiL-JoN: i never do a check
[05:34] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: reinstall
[05:34] <noam_> what about other engines for amarok?
[05:34] <intelikey> !md5
[05:34] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[05:34] <LiL-JoN> shakey: me either but thats what its for so why not use it?
[05:35] <mrksbrd> MurielGodoi, try ALT+F2 then in cmd line type upgrade-manager -d
[05:35]  * shakey thinks to himself "because im ignorant"
[05:36] <intelikey> what is this release day ???
[05:36] <lee__> oh  no
[05:37] <lee__> i think were about to get hit with a small lightning storm
[05:37] <shakey> IRC operates with multicast packets, correcT?
[05:38] <MurielGodoi> mrksbrd: I will try that...
[05:38] <lee__> the release day for?
[05:38] <Name141> So basically, kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome ?
[05:38] <letalis> indeed Name141
[05:38] <Name141> Okie dokey.
[05:39] <mrksbrd> that will allow u to go from 7.04 to 7.10
[05:39] <intelikey> Name141 not just "basicly" but "altogather"  yes
[05:39] <lee__> what is better genome or kde?
[05:39] <MurielGodoi> mrksbrd: I had no update-manager here... i am installing it now
[05:39] <intelikey> lee__ blackbox
[05:39] <Name141> intelikey: eh ?
[05:39] <jtt> lee__, depends on what you like
[05:39] <lee__> ahh
[05:39] <mrksbrd> lee, gnome is very generic
[05:39] <shakey> kde > all
[05:39] <MurielGodoi> lee__: it is like religion :)
[05:39] <letalis> everything that is ubuntu can also bei in kubuntu and vice versa
[05:39] <shakey> project looking glass looks sick though
[05:40] <mrksbrd> u can install kde as a session over gnome
[05:40] <intelikey> or politics
[05:40] <lee__> hmm religion and computers hmm...some how.. never mind lol
[05:40]  * shakey thinks gnome has a apple look n feel
[05:40] <noam_> i'm going to start an ubuntu flavor named jewbuntu
[05:40] <lee__> thats where I seen that bar thingy
[05:40] <letalis> the gnome kde war has raged on since they were first concieved.
[05:40] <SilentDis> hello
[05:40] <lee__> on the apple systems at KLTV
[05:40] <hydrogen> well
[05:40] <lee__> eh Macs
[05:40]  * intelikey wonders how a desktop can have a"look and feel" ....
[05:41] <hydrogen> I'm not sure why it has raged on so long
[05:41] <letalis> personally kde has more structure under the hood than gnome imho
[05:41] <shakey> intelikey: what do u mean?
[05:41] <hydrogen> because everyone knows kde is the only option
[05:41] <jtt> noam_, i like that
[05:41] <lee__> eh me too
[05:41] <intelikey> oh you mean the defaults.
[05:41] <lee__> wonders the same thing
[05:41] <hydrogen> and if you don't you are probably a comunist
[05:41] <hydrogen> or at least stupid.
[05:41] <CapaH> How do I LOWER my mouse sensitivity ? After I upgraded to Gutsy my mouse has tripled in speed making it almost unusable
[05:41] <hydrogen> I mean!
[05:41] <SilentDis> !nvidia
[05:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:41] <shakey> lol@Capah
[05:41] <letalis> woot its faster
[05:41] <lee__> waht the
[05:41] <noam_> i mean, just look at the ubuntu logo, it's begging to be transformed into a david's shield
[05:42] <letalis> youre just not fast enough for your computer now.
[05:42] <letalis> :)
[05:42] <letalis> j/k
[05:42] <Name141> earlier I was running ubuntu 7.04 live, and I didn't really like gnome that well.  Also, I noticed it wouldn't write to my NTFS drives, will it now?  (or was the read-only due to it being a  Live disk?)
[05:42] <shakey> o shoot, niles_ on the verizon network, i can call him for free if i want
[05:42] <CapaH> soo.... anyone? please? Can someone tell me how to stop my mouse from traveling at the speed of sound across my screen when I breathe on it?
[05:42] <letalis> should be in systemsettings or kcontrol under the periphrial options
[05:42] <intelikey> !ntfs | Name141
[05:42] <ubotu> Name141: ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:42] <MurielGodoi> Name141: gutsy has ntfs write support
[05:42] <Doctor_Nick> fuuuuck
[05:42] <Name141> !ntfs-3g
[05:42] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:42] <Doctor_Nick> my sound is boned in gutsy
[05:43] <shakey> !language | Doctor_Nick
[05:43] <ubotu> Doctor_Nick: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:43] <lee__> eh I think I just realised orange red blob on radar..not a good thing to see coming your way
[05:43] <jtt> CapaH, stop breathing :)
[05:43] <shakey> i got kids in here
[05:43] <lee__> any how
[05:43] <lee__> I like kde but iam over loaded
[05:43] <lee__> I got so used to windows
[05:43] <CapaH> The only thing I found was 'mouse acceleration' which was set to 2.0 --- I reduced it to as low as it goes (1.0) and now instead of traveling at twice the speed of sound, it travels at the speed of sound --- but I need it to be like.... 0.0001 :)
[05:44] <Name141> I heard that 7.10 is (supposedly) supposed to read/write in NTFS ?
[05:44] <lee__> and windows way of thinking that I completely fergot aobut waht it was like to be able to use source coding
[05:44] <Name141> already.
[05:44] <SilentDis> is it just me, or are the poor servers totally hammered and bogged with everyone upgrading?
[05:44] <mrksbrd> Name141, if running 7.10, shouldn't need that install, was already incorp into new version
[05:44] <lee__> just how many servers are there?
[05:44] <shakey> factor 8
[05:44] <Name141> OK.
[05:44] <CapaH> can I do this in xorg.conf somehow?
[05:44] <LiL-JoN> lee__: there is alot of them
[05:45] <Name141> mrksbrd: I am downloading 7.10 later.  The 7.04 disks just came today.
[05:45] <lee__> and how can a non profit....afford em
[05:45] <jtt> CapaH, i suspect xorg.conf in /etc but not sure how to change
[05:45] <lee__> oops there I go again thinking out of the box
[05:45] <shakey> thatd be sweet if O Reilly would release "Xorg.conf in a nutshell"
[05:46] <lee__> so waht linux offers us is  away to compile, and build..and engenier am I correct
[05:46] <noam_> you can't put all of xorg.conf in a single nutshell
[05:46] <Name141> Oh yeah, another thing, is it possible to command line shut off the NIC and then restart it?
[05:46] <Name141> So I can set it up in crontabs
[05:46] <Name141> If I am not here.
[05:46] <Name141> My ISP has a bandwidth limit per day, and damn if I'm letting "idle" hours add up.
[05:47] <jtt> CapaH, probably but i am not the expert there. i always keep the previous release  xorg.conf file around in case of problem like that perhaps some one else is better equipped to help with xorg.conf
[05:47] <lee__> so basically waht I have at my finger tips is not jsut the freedom of choice, but freedom to change the soft ware that e download? or look at it to build on it..well soem in part?
[05:47] <Doctor_Nick> has anyone experienced sound not working after an upgrade from fiesty?
[05:48] <lee__> I think a light isstarting to slowly turn on here
[05:48] <lee__> yet basic enough for any one to use
[05:48] <aslam> Hi all, is kdebase-workspace_3.94.0  beta3?
[05:49] <intelikey> lee__ sounds like you are getting there...
[05:49] <aslam> to me it looked like beta2, so i was looking for the kde4 beta3 packages... but couldn't find anything except the announcement :(
[05:49] <SilentDis> I wish i could program.  I'd love to help get apt-torrent working at this point :P
[05:49] <mrksbrd> Name141, good luck...i've had nothing but troubles trying to keep 7.04 recognizing it
[05:50] <shakey> !kde
[05:50] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[05:50] <intelikey> !foss | lee__ if no one mentioned this to you yet.
[05:50] <ubotu> lee__ if no one mentioned this to you yet.: freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[05:50] <lee__> well after taking the time to think aobut why  the ati drivers and other drivers...are the way they are..it creats a basic need, a need to use recources and a need to..eh..understand coding
[05:50] <lee__> yes taht part I understood
[05:50] <lee__> and I value taht freedome
[05:51] <hydrogen> aslam: 3.94 is beta3
[05:51] <lee__> yes I was kinda perpleexed when I read  coppy left..lol
[05:51] <aslam> wow cool. thanks...
[05:51]  * intelikey personally disagrees with the "Ubuntu is as free as we can make it" clause.  and believes it's a "cop out" for not standing by the first statement.
[05:52] <LiL-JoN> how do i burn the iso to disk on kubuntu feisty?
[05:52] <lee__> maybe it i s the challenge of getting this opperational that has led me not to reload windows...it makes me think FOR ONCE
[05:52] <jtt> aslam, i had that page up earlier and cant remember where it was had all the info on it
[05:52] <MurielGodoi> LiL-JoN: right click and burn using k3b :)
[05:52] <shakey> o shoot!
[05:52]  * hydrogen believes free-as-in-freedom is a personal ideal and is not one that should be forcibly imposed on others.. as this in itself negates freedom
[05:52] <LiL-JoN> ok MurielGodoi'
[05:53] <lee986321> erg
[05:53]  * shakey ponders...isnt that what America does?
[05:53] <hydrogen> thats for #politics!
[05:53]  * mrksbrd thinks hydrogen is getting political on us.....look out
[05:53] <shakey> o noes!
[05:53] <MurielGodoi> LiL-JoN: k3b also calculates the md5sum for you so you can compare them
[05:53] <lee986321> true
[05:53] <intelikey> hydrogen only as much as forcefully imposing non-free does the same.
[05:53]  * LiL-JoN likes to eat little poor defenseless puppies 
[05:53] <MurielGodoi> !politcs
[05:54]  * shakey fights old grandmas
[05:54] <hydrogen> intelikey: its not forcibly imposed though.. you are free to not use it
[05:54] <hydrogen> intelikey: if its not provided, I am not free to use it
[05:54] <hydrogen> without going about third party methods and hackarounds
[05:54]  * LiL-JoN is a foxy grandpa
[05:54]  * LiL-JoN is just kidding
[05:54] <intelikey> hydrogen "not provided" != "not installed by default"
[05:55] <Lega> 'ello.
[05:55]  * mrksbrd wants to know if LiL-John has his gold cup in hand
[05:55] <hydrogen> right..
[05:55] <hydrogen> but I'm not sure what your point is
[05:55] <hydrogen> I'm talking about provided
[05:55] <shakey> omg this argument is great!
[05:56] <leexgx> lol
[05:56] <ScorpKing> it's not an argument, it's a difference in opinion.
[05:56] <ScorpKing> lol
[05:56] <jtt> shakey, yeah both of them will get banned!
[05:56] <mrksbrd> lol good answer
[05:56] <shakey> oic
[05:56] <MurielGodoi> !politic
[05:56] <shakey> it was grand nonetheless
[05:56] <intelikey> hydrogen my point was "as free as we can make it" doesn't sound like installing linux-restricted* by default...   but. i've said too much already.
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> MurielGodoi: omg i love k3b :]
[05:57] <jtt> shakey, i love to watch flame wars, ahh heere we go again
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> !shut up
[05:57] <ubot3> Factoid shut up not found
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> !retarded
[05:57] <ubot3> Factoid retarded not found
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> ty
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> !ty
[05:57] <ubot3> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:57] <LiL-JoN> !ily
[05:57] <ubot3> Factoid ily not found
[05:57] <leexgx> lol
[05:58] <LiL-JoN> lol
[05:58] <LiL-JoN> brb im gonig to go grab a cd to burn GUTSY YAY!!!
[05:58] <LiL-JoN> im so excited :]
[05:58] <leexgx> done that all ready
[05:58] <leexgx> LiL-JoN:  just make sure network is working when installing it
[05:58] <MurielGodoi> I can't believe that I downloaded the wrong image :(
[05:59] <leexgx> heh
[05:59] <leexgx> how you do that
[05:59] <leexgx> wht did you downlaod
[05:59] <mrksbrd> lol what image is that??
[05:59] <MurielGodoi> I download the desktop image
[05:59] <Doctor_Nick> aaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:59] <leexgx> you wanted server ?
[05:59] <mrksbrd> server is second set of links....lol
[05:59] <lee986321> hmm
[05:59] <MurielGodoi> alternate
[05:59] <leexgx> Wine works very well
[06:00] <Doctor_Nick> has anyone had problems with sound not being able to start at all after they've upgraded to gutsy?
[06:00] <LiL-JoN> leexgx: the first thing im doing is im getting on here to talk to everybody
[06:00] <mrksbrd> thats down there too
[06:00] <lee986321> still trying to get amoroch to run my celtic music
[06:00] <mrksbrd> I love the OEm feature that is in alternate
[06:00] <leexgx> LiL-JoN: i installed its works well
[06:00] <akrill> i have a problem
[06:00] <jtt> somebody help doctor_nick out, i dont do sound, im deaf
[06:00] <LiL-JoN> akrill: doesnt everybody have a problem
[06:01] <lee986321> we all ahve a problem
[06:01] <akrill> hehe
[06:01] <lee986321> ehmines mostly spelling
[06:01] <lee986321> but then iam on the floor lol
[06:01] <akrill> in gutsy, with compiz-fusion on, everything works fine EXCEPT shadows under menus. every damned menu has a huge white border instead of shadow
[06:01] <leexgx> akrill:  intel video card ?
[06:01] <akrill> leexgx: yes, actually.
[06:01] <lee986321> erg
[06:02] <lee986321> I guess the wii is getting linux lol
[06:02] <leexgx> akrill: seen it posted somewhare about that (bug in driver ?)
[06:02] <LiL-JoN> !language
[06:02] <ubot3> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:02] <LiL-JoN> !ty
[06:02] <ubot3> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[06:03] <akrill> !sorry
[06:03] <ubot3> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you.
[06:03] <shakey> !superkaramba
[06:03] <ubot3> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[06:03] <lee986321> !feeds the bot
[06:03] <ubot3> Factoid feeds the bot not found
[06:03] <Jucato> !botabuse
[06:03] <ubot3> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:03] <LiL-JoN> akrill: i was joking a bunch of people use the bot on me i was just seeing if it was fun
[06:03] <MurielGodoi> I resigned to upgrade and i will do a clean install!
[06:03] <lee986321> lol
[06:04] <lee986321> !hungry
[06:04] <ubot3> Factoid hungry not found
[06:04] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick don't think that i can fix it for you.  but i "might" be able to point you at something that could help you fix it.      1 does alsamixer work from a console (not konsole, a real console tty)   2. if so, can you adjust all the settings ok. or do some stick, are some muted ?
[06:04] <Jucato> lee986321: stop that
[06:04] <LiL-JoN> lee986321: your gonna get kicked whatch
[06:04] <akrill> lol
[06:04] <jtt> MurielGodoi, i never do upgrades, only clean installs
[06:04] <lee986321> ok
[06:04] <lee986321> Ill stop
[06:04] <lee986321> any how sorry
[06:05] <mrksbrd> MurielGodoi, what happened?
[06:05] <MurielGodoi> jtt: the ploblem is that I have some extra packages installed that i use in my work.
[06:05] <colorsoundboy> did an clean install but java will not work on firefox installed the files but after restarted it asked again for the dame file and said it is installed :|
[06:05] <LiL-JoN> jtt: i never have the same linux for more then a month because im always reinstalling its hard to find a linux you like/love lol
[06:05] <jtt> MurielGodoi, and cant easily reinstall them i gather
[06:06] <MurielGodoi> jtt: you got it :)
[06:06] <lee986321> oh that reminds me...how do I edit my line to bring my full 256 megs online in my card?
[06:06] <intelikey> LiL-JoN i haven't installed/upgraded this sense 6.4
[06:06] <hatter> when i plug a usb stick in it shows up in the file browser but then says 'you are not privileged to mount this volume'
[06:06] <mrksbrd> didn't that command work Muriel???
[06:06] <LiL-JoN> intelikey: whooo
[06:06] <jtt> MurielGodoi, tough i feel for you i have to test everything i use before new installs
[06:06] <LiL-JoN> intelikey: thats a long time
[06:07] <intelikey> no. just 18 months
[06:07] <LiL-JoN> intelikey: thats a long time
[06:07] <jtt> MurielGodoi, so i keep a list and test each one then fresh install if all work one fails no upgrade
[06:07] <MurielGodoi> mrksbrd: It was going to upgrade... but the download was at 3kb/s !
[06:07] <intelikey> pfft.  you must be young.
[06:07] <me> anyone running kubuntu 7.10?
[06:07] <jtt> MurielGodoi, no new install that is if one ap fails
[06:08] <mrksbrd> thats because of the server load right now....
[06:08] <LiL-JoN> i just finished burning gutsy gibbon going to go test ill be back shortly to chat soem more
[06:08] <jtt> are you folks familiar with the rsync of releases i got about 240K earlier with rsync
[06:08] <Doctor_Nick> intelikey: i cant open alsamixer or kmix
[06:08] <Doctor_Nick> they just crash
[06:09] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick ok that sujests kernel module.  start with ahat.
[06:09] <intelikey> that
[06:09] <hatter> how do i plug my usb stick in if i dont have permissions to mount it ?
[06:09] <Doctor_Nick> ok
[06:09] <MurielGodoi> jtt: I have some workmates that are already running gutsy, that is ok, but i will need recompile all project again
[06:09] <Doctor_Nick> intelikey: so now what?
[06:10] <mrksbrd> hatter, alot of configuring, u using 7.04?
[06:10] <jtt> MurielGodoi, ugh!
[06:10] <ScorpKing> MurielGodoi: same problem here. ;)
[06:10] <hatter> mrksbrd, yes
[06:10] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick you check the inserted modules aganst the chipset for the device.   i.e.   lshw | less    and you can grep the output of     lsmod
[06:10] <MurielGodoi> uhu!! I'm not alone!
[06:11] <ScorpKing> i have a custom and working kopete to name just one.
[06:11] <mrksbrd> it is a known problem in that ver, and takes alot of work in your fstab file, best person to get intouch with is genii
[06:11] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick also usefull    lspci      modprobe -l      and google.
[06:11] <hatter> mrksbrd, why would it kubuntu not mount this automatically ?
[06:11] <gameforge> Trying to upgrade Feisty -> Gutsy - In my "Adept Manager", I click Adept -> Manage Repo's -> Download from -> Other... -> Find Best Server, and it defaults to the main US server (which is totally hammered right now) and closes the dialog immediately.  Is that normal?
[06:11] <LiL-JoN> can somebody help me before i go
[06:12] <LiL-JoN> i have a bunch of songs on my linux desktop
[06:12] <LiL-JoN> and i cant drag them over to my windows harddrive but i can veiw the drive
[06:12] <ScorpKing> !ntfs-3g
[06:12] <jtt> hatter, you know about sudo right?
[06:13] <hatter> jtt, yes, arent we trying to use a gui here ?
[06:13] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i have that installed already
[06:13] <ScorpKing> bah! what's up with this bot today?
[06:13] <mrksbrd> hatter, not sure... I had all kinds of trouble myself... u can try sudo ntfs3g-config
[06:13] <hatter> poor people coming from windows...
[06:13] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: then just mount it with ntfs-3g and copy it across
[06:13] <jtt> hatter, just asking because i dont use the gui
[06:13] <MurielGodoi> mrksbrd: I'am glad that I put /home in other partition
[06:14] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: im noobie lol
[06:14] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick oh.  almost forgot there is an #alsa  channel too.
[06:14] <hatter> jtt, np, where is a usb stick that is detected then put so i can mount it ?
[06:14] <Doctor_Nick> ugh
[06:14] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: hehe, i remember. :P
[06:14] <Doctor_Nick> maybe ill just install from scratch
[06:14] <lee__> wahts the apget line for Xine? ?
[06:14] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: its mounted already i just cant copy stuff to it
[06:14]  * intelikey shrugs.   
[06:14] <lee__> apt-get update ?
[06:14] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i can take files from the windows drive but not put them on there
[06:14] <CapaH> Please... can someone help me on a few things. I just finished upgrading to 7.10 from 7.04 - First, my mouse is *WAY* too sensitive, and even when I go to preferences / mouse and I change acceleration to 1.0 (lowest possible) and I set threshold to 20 ( highest possible ) --- it is still WAY too sensitive. Secondly, whenever I try to go to compiz settings manager (like I used to before the upgrade) --- it starts to load, then just simp
[06:14] <CapaH> ly doesn't load. Can anyone help me?
[06:14] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: unmount it. what did you type to mount it?
[06:14] <jtt> hatter, believe  /media/usb  something  or  /media/sdN  etc.
[06:15]  * Rask330 waves. "This is probably the worst time to be seeking kubuntu-based help, but... I need some assistance doing a dual-monitor setup. I have the proprietary drivers for my nVidia Geforce 6800 XT installed, and both of the monitors set to their native resolutions. Trouble is, the smaller monitor (1024x768) pans and scans. How do I stop that?" :)
[06:15] <hatter> its not media/usb
[06:15] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick i started this with "don't expect me to fix it for you.  but i might be able to point you in the right dirrection..."
[06:15] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: "mount /media/windows
[06:15] <LiL-JoN> "
[06:15] <ScorpKing> oh
[06:15] <jtt> hatter, in any case they should all end up under /media
[06:15] <MurielGodoi> well guys... i will do a clean install and hope be back in some minutes :)
[06:15] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: can you pastebin /etc/fstab?
[06:15] <hatter> jtt, i would think so but it doesnt
[06:16] <jtt> hatter, tail  /var/log/messasges see that  /dev/  it said came in
[06:16] <Doctor_Nick> intelikey: I'm saying that by the time I track down what's actually causing this, I could have reinstalled and set up all my programs again
[06:16] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: yeah
[06:16] <jtt> hatter, possibly  /dev/sdb
[06:16] <lee__> or is apt get xine install?
[06:16] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: but how do i view the file using konsole
[06:17] <lee__> its somethin I fergot to make a note of
[06:17] <Doctor_Nick> and i know what the problem probably is, and there's no way to fix it but reinstalling ubuntu
[06:17] <hatter> jtt, ok its /dev/sdb1
[06:17] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:17] <hatter> jtt, thx
[06:17] <intelikey> Doctor_Nick the csues it probably that the module for your card has changed from one kernel version to the next...   just a guess.   but getting alsa working is a "one time" thing for most people...
[06:17] <jtt> hatter, anytime
[06:17] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: nvm i type kate /etc/fstab
[06:17] <hatter> this is a real problem for linux desktop
[06:17] <intelikey> or cause even.
[06:17] <ScorpKing> hatter: what's wrong?
[06:18] <hatter> plug in a usb stick and it wont let you mount it because of permissions
[06:18] <hatter> i'll be back, changing computers
[06:18] <jtt> hatter, my gui mount use to work in feisty and one day it went away probably some other pkg messed it up
[06:18] <ScorpKing> hatter: is it in fstab?
[06:18] <Doctor_Nick> intelikey: I doubt its that, I unplugged the soundcard and alsa still isnt starting
[06:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about politcs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <Daisuke-Ido> ScorpKing: that's the thing though - should it have to be in fstab?
[06:18] <jtt> ScorpKing, he got mounted
[06:18] <ScorpKing> Daisuke_Laptop: no
[06:19] <mrksbrd> jtt, i would have it working one hour, the next i'd have to start all over
[06:19] <apparle> Hi everyone
[06:19] <ScorpKing> jtt: what options did he use?
[06:19] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m45c988bc
[06:19] <mrksbrd> it's very frustrating.....so far w/7.10 i haven't had the prob
[06:19] <jtt> mrksbrd, yeah mine just went away permanently so i ignore it and mount manually
[06:19] <mrksbrd> mine i couldn't even force it to mount
[06:20] <lee__> ScorpKing wahts the comand for  manually getting a program and intsalltin it?
[06:20] <jtt> ScorpKing, he mounted it manually just normal mount command the gui did not get fixed
[06:20] <mrksbrd> something was really wacky w/mine
[06:20] <ScorpKing> jtt: apt-get or aptitude
[06:20] <lee__> and the name of the program after it
[06:20] <sunilonln> ever since i upgraded to 7.10, my cpu seems to be running at full speed much more than it used to
[06:20]  * LiL-JoN wonders if ScorpKing is readin pastebin :[
[06:20] <ScorpKing> jtt: he should add -o uid=1000,gid=1000 in there
[06:20] <sunilonln> powermanager is still set to dynamic
[06:21]  * ScorpKing is reading...
[06:21] <sunilonln> is it just me or is there something i should tweak?
[06:21]  * LiL-JoN loves ScorpKing
[06:21] <jtt> ScorpKing, ok for my info add it where?
[06:21] <mrksbrd> Scorp... I put in a UUID and everything when running 7.04 & still wouldn't mount
[06:21] <intelikey> jtt the mount command
[06:22] <AussieHatter> so i just missed anything said about the usb
[06:22] <lee__> eh woul it be xine install or install xine?
[06:22] <ScorpKing> jtt: sudo mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[06:22] <AussieHatter> if anything was said
[06:22] <jtt> intelikey, ok i thought he meant there wanted clarificatoin
[06:22] <mrksbrd> no matter what I tried was the same outcome....1 sec it would work, the next it wouldn't
[06:22] <LiL-JoN> how do i privet message somebody
[06:22] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: change it like this - /dev/hdc1 /media/windows ntfs-3g user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:22] <AussieHatter> ScorpKing, command prompt is fine for people that know linux, but coming from windows they dont
[06:22] <jtt> ScorpKing, ok he knew most of that he wanted the kde gui to find and mount it
[06:22] <mrksbrd> Aussie....lol alot was said
[06:23] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, damn
[06:23] <ScorpKing> AussieHatter: yeah i know. :P
 jtt: sudo mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda1 /media/disk
[06:23] <mrksbrd> try that Aussie
[06:23] <AussieHatter> that works, but the gui should do it
[06:23] <AussieHatter> or do something
[06:23] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: after that what do i do?
[06:23] <AussieHatter> like 'run as admin' or something
[06:23] <lee__> eh iam trying to get Xine extra plugin
[06:24] <AussieHatter> is there no way for the gui to look after it ?
[06:24] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: mount /media/windows and copy your stuff
[06:24] <mrksbrd> your right but like I said it was a known problem in that version
[06:24] <apparle> Does anybody use Foxconn motherboard
[06:24] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i love you
[06:24] <ScorpKing> ;)
[06:24] <mrksbrd> Aussie..... goto your fstab file
[06:24] <CapaH> I just finished upgrading to 7.10 from 7.04 - First, my mouse is *WAY* too sensitive, and even when I go to preferences / mouse and I change acceleration to 1.0 (lowest possible) and I set threshold to 20 ( highest possible ) --- it is still WAY too sensitive. Secondly, whenever I try to go to compiz settings manager --- it just simply doesn't load. Can anyone help me?
[06:24] <intelikey> !bot
[06:24] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, are you speaking to me about know problem in that version ?
[06:24] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: how do i unmount it first?
[06:25] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: umount /media/windows
[06:25] <mrksbrd> type kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:25] <intelikey> LiL-JoN add the  remount,  in the -o string
[06:25] <mrksbrd> yes aussie
[06:25] <lee__> whhy is when a bot leaves poepl do !bot?
[06:25] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, this is addressed in gutsy ?
[06:25] <LiL-JoN> intelikey: huh
[06:25] <ScorpKing> lol
[06:25] <mrksbrd> supposed to be....(crossing fingers) Mine is working fine right now
[06:26] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: bash: unmount: command not found
[06:26] <intelikey> LiL-JoN you don't have to dismount an fs to change the options.     mount -o remount,blah,blah /
[06:26] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, would you be able to put name and comma of who are speaking to please ? sorry I am getting confused
[06:26] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: sorry, umount
[06:26] <mrksbrd> AussieHatter, type kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:26] <mrksbrd> sorry
[06:26] <mrksbrd> lol
[06:27] <lee__> trying to get the xine extraplugins
[06:27] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, i have mounted it now, but my problem was my g/f trying to do some work and i was away
[06:27] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[06:27] <ScorpKing> lee__: that brings the bot back
[06:27] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, kde should be allowing a usb stick to be plugged in
[06:27] <AussieHatter> i uderstand the permissions problem
[06:27] <AussieHatter> but the gui needs to address this somehow
[06:28] <lee__> ah oh I just learned something new
[06:28] <mrksbrd> Aussie.... right it should pop-up a dialog box
[06:28] <apparle> my friend's harddisk has default maount point as "/media/sda1" while installation of kubuntu. Should i change it to "/media/hdc1" or not????????
[06:28] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, or have a run as admin option like windows
[06:28] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i love you again lol also after i install gutsy can you help me get it mounted again
[06:28] <intelikey> AussieHatter are you saying that "there is utterly a fault, if the running os doesn't monitor for new devices/media "  ???
[06:28] <jtt> AussieHatter, mrksbrd i suspect it is a hot plug issue not calling the gui properly
[06:29] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: just write that down and if you have a problem come back. ;)
[06:29] <mrksbrd> jtt, i believe your right
[06:29] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[06:29] <AussieHatter> intelikey, yes.  we are speaking of people coming from windows, i dont think its too much to ask if a usb stick is plugged in that it can be accessed
[06:29] <CrazyPoultry> i just finished the install of 7.10(a fresh install) and now when trying to add  programs from the "Add/Remove programs" i keep getting this (There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. ) any ideas on what is causing this(sorry i'm still pretty new to linux in generral)
[06:29] <apparle> my friend's harddisk has default maount point as "/media/sda1" while installation of kubuntu. Should i change it to "/media/hdc1" or not????????
[06:30] <intelikey> AussieHatter it can be accessed,   that's not the same as  "it does it for me"
[06:30] <mrksbrd> Aussie...u have to keep in mind this isn't Windows....lol
[06:30] <ScorpKing> AussieHatter: i think it's handled by hotplug which has a problem and now it's not working. it does work on my box.
[06:30] <ScorpKing> apparle: no
[06:31] <AussieHatter> intelikey, do you think that each time you plug a usb stick in you should have to open a term window and mount it manually
[06:31] <AussieHatter> ?
[06:31] <AussieHatter> i dont think you should.
[06:31] <ScorpKing> AussieHatter: true
[06:31] <AussieHatter> ScorpKing, on 7.04 ?
[06:31] <ScorpKing> yes
[06:31] <Generic> !compiz > me
[06:31] <AussieHatter> ScorpKing, you can plug a usb stick in and out and access it trivially ?
[06:31] <intelikey> AussieHatter then it's simply a matter of "openion" on what "should be"   and  off topic.
[06:31] <ScorpKing> yes
[06:31] <LiL-JoN> !compiz | me
[06:31] <ubotu> me: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[06:32] <AussieHatter> ScorpKing, ok, good
[06:32] <mrksbrd> Aussie....Your right you shouldn't, something goes wrong in the config file & messes things up.....that's what I'm trying to tell you
[06:32] <Generic> is there any utility for compiz in kubuntu?
[06:32] <lee__> I didnt know taht this program had AI in it
[06:32] <AussieHatter> mrksbrd, ok
[06:32] <lee__> you tpye in the lil black box and it tells ya
[06:32] <lee__> wierd
[06:32] <apparle> ScorpKing:By the way why is it getting mounted as /media/sda1????????????????
[06:32] <sub[t]rnl> Generic: compizconfig-settings-manager runs in kde, along with compiz and all the plugins
[06:32] <lee__> ok I learned something new
[06:33] <AussieHatter> apparle, mine was seen as /dev/sdb1
[06:33] <lee__> taht lil black box..is smart
[06:33] <Generic> sub[t]rnl, ah, I didn't see a link for it in the menu
[06:33] <EdwardElric> ubuntu ending xmms support :-/
[06:33] <ScorpKing> apparle: it's most likely a SATA disk
[06:33] <LiL-JoN> !xgl | LiL-JoN
[06:33] <sub[t]rnl> Generic: you might not have it installed.  Try alt+f2 ccsm
[06:33] <AussieHatter> apparle, tail the syslog and you can see what it is getting discovered as
[06:33] <Generic> sub[t]rnl, you're right, it's not :p
[06:33] <jtt> the problem is i am always in a terminal window never in gui's and so i dont experience these problems :)
[06:33] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[06:33] <apparle> ScorpKing: If it is normal harddisk then it gets mounted as hdc???
[06:33] <intelikey> apparle because that's what the device is.   sda = first scsi or sata/pata or usb drive and 1 being the first partition on that device
[06:34] <Generic> Oh sweet, katapult is actually working for me now
[06:34] <ScorpKing> apparle: if it is IDE yes, most of the time. use UUID's to mount your disks
[06:34] <LiL-JoN> apparle: hdc is a ide sda is a sata
[06:34] <jtt> they are however intriguing to say the least and certainly a problem for windows folks
[06:35] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: when im in the dekstop cd im gonig to talk to you while im installing :]
[06:35] <jtt> apparle, since kernel 2.6.XX  all storage devices are  sdX  something
[06:35] <intelikey> apparle no need looking for a  C: or D: in linux   unless you make them...     : > 'D:' ;mkdir 'C:' ;mv 'D:' 'C:'
[06:35] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: np
[06:35] <apparle> LiL-JoN: I have a PATA hardisk but it gets mounted as hdc? Why?
[06:36] <jtt> apparle, in 7.04 or 7.10
[06:36] <apparle> intelikey: I know I will not get C:\ etc but i wanted to know why mine is mounted as hdc and my friend's as sda
[06:36] <apparle> jtt: 7.04
[06:37] <ScorpKing> omg...
[06:37] <jtt> apparle, early 7.04 kernels  still had  hdX  later kernels had  sdX
[06:37]  * ScorpKing lights a smoke...
[06:37] <intelikey> apparle different hardware.   different device.
[06:37] <mrksbrd> apparle, different types of HDD's
[06:37]  * jtmoney throws in a lipper
[06:37]  * mrksbrd lol @ ScorpKing
[06:38] <ScorpKing> apparle: to get a UUID of a disk type uuidgen /dev/sda1
[06:38] <apparle> jtt : if I upgrade to gutsy the mine will also be detected as sda??
[06:38] <ScorpKing> apparle: why is this so important if i may ask?
[06:38] <jtt> apparle, cant say for certain but i believe so, the kernel modules take care of that
[06:38] <intelikey> not unless gutsy is using scsi emulation like edgy did...
[06:38]  * mrksbrd hands ScorpKing a hammer
[06:39] <lee__> wahts it mean when no "Suitable Mux" can be found?
[06:39]  * ScorpKing keeps it close by...
[06:39] <mrksbrd> lmao
[06:39] <lee__> what is mux lol?
[06:39] <intelikey> : > 'D:\' ;mkdir 'C:\' ;mv 'D:\' 'C:\' ;ls 'C:\'
[06:39] <CrazyPoultry> After installing 7.10 as a clean install, trying to use the "Add\Remove progams" i keep getting an error "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages." and firefox is greyed out in the selection, I'm still pretty new to linux, any ideas on what is wrong would be appreciated
[06:39] <ScorpKing> apparle: sometimes the live cd will show hda and after it's installed it will be sda and so on and so on.
[06:39] <jtt> i havent checked lately but alan cox rewrote the low level i/o drivers and i believe all the storage devices will now be known as  sdX  something anyone know more about that?
[06:39] <xevious> is it possible to get video previews in dolphin?
[06:40] <ScorpKing> apparle: there isn't much jou can do about it.
[06:40] <mrksbrd> apparle type fdisk -l that will tell you your HDD type your system see's
[06:41] <jtt> let me look at my early gutsy about 3 weeks ago and see what devices it has
[06:41] <Jucato> CrazyPoultry: does that happen just when you try to run Add/Remove Programs or when you already try to install something
[06:41] <meuhlol> hi all
[06:41] <apparle> jtt: are there any improvements in sound configuration in gutsy, i have  and having problems in feisty.
[06:41] <ScorpKing> hi meuhlol!
[06:41] <intelikey> ScorpKing well he could dsiable the scsi emulation if he wanted too   :)
[06:41] <CrazyPoultry> happens afer selecting and hitting apply, also happening in the complicated looking adept too
[06:41] <mrksbrd> CrazyPoultry, I had that problem, I rebooted & relaunched, that seemed to correct the prob
[06:41] <meuhlol> damn, DVD of gutsy not DL yet lol
[06:41]  * ScorpKing nods
[06:42] <jtmoney> apparle: gutsy barfed on my sound :-X
[06:42] <jtmoney> meuhlol: use torrents, i was getting 1 MB/s
[06:42] <meuhlol> 71% :D
[06:42] <jtt> apparle, cant tell you because i dont do much sound others on here can answer that question
[06:42] <meuhlol> jtmoney: i take DVD from torrent
[06:42] <jtmoney> ohh
[06:42] <Jucato> CrazyPoultry: what were you trying to install?
[06:42] <jtmoney> i don't understand why people download the DVD anyways... i would just apt-get install whatever i needed that wasn't in the base install (very, very little)
[06:43] <meuhlol> 140 kbs :/
[06:43] <CrazyPoultry> firefox, and a few other random things
[06:43] <CrazyPoultry> firefox is the greyed out one tho
[06:43] <meuhlol> i take a DVD cuz i will reformat my HDD
[06:43] <mrtimbo> no beryl on 4.10 :((
[06:43] <apparle> jtmoney: Why your sound stopped working??
[06:43] <mrksbrd> CrazyPoultry... type sudo apt-get install firefox from your console
[06:43] <meuhlol> aaaaaa?
[06:43] <lee__> waht the...Sun-Java Demo?
[06:43]  * ScorpKing takes the hammer and go away...
[06:44] <mrksbrd> lol
[06:44] <meuhlol> mrtimbo: no beryl on 7.10 but think there are Compiz :p
[06:44] <jtmoney> apparle: not really sure, plus i was having problems with the computer even booting into x properly... just installed 7.04 for the time being, but dist-upgrade is taking forever =(
[06:44] <lee__> Sun-java5 is a demo?
[06:44] <ScorpKing> CrazyPoultry: sounds like a broken package
[06:44] <CrazyPoultry> Eneloop: Package firefox has no installation candidate was the result
[06:44] <mrtimbo> i dont like compiz, lol i have been using the beryl layout and settings for the last year and some change
[06:44] <CrazyPoultry> err that was e: Package
[06:45] <apparle> By the way on behalf of my friend: which one should i install 32 or 64
[06:45] <lee__> eh whatsa spinning cube?
[06:45] <lee__> eh whats cube?
[06:45] <lee__> som new setting ?
[06:45] <intelikey> apparle 64 may be a little more problemattic depending on what you do.
[06:46] <mrksbrd> if u have a 32bit processor u install that if u have a 64bit then install 64, but u bannot install a 64bit on a 32bit
[06:46] <intelikey> you can install the 32 bit on the 64 tho
[06:46]  * ScorpKing sits back and decide to keep quiet...
[06:46] <jtt> apparle, gutsy of 9/21/07  has all devices  sdX  or  scXN  kernel 2.6.22-12 so odds on bet are that all devices will be that from now on
[06:46] <mrksbrd> correct
[06:47] <lee__> what cube?
[06:47] <apparle> intelikey: In what way problematic
[06:47]  * mrksbrd wants ScorpKing to give his input...lol
[06:47] <jtmoney> mrksbrd: LOLZ
[06:47] <ScorpKing> bah
[06:47] <apparle> mrksbrd: What about pentium 4
[06:47] <jtmoney> p4 != AMD64
[06:47] <jtt> mrksbrd, ahh u mean you cant run 64 at 1/2 speed on 32 any more :)
[06:48] <mrksbrd> is it a 64bit or a 32 bit....this is what were saying
[06:48] <lee__> cube is 32 bit an 64?
[06:48] <intelikey> apparle wine flash and some other things may be hard to get working
[06:48] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: im on the kubuntu disk every other time ive installed linux
[06:48] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: ive had to press safe grtaphics mode
[06:48] <apparle> mrksbrd:can i install amd64 on p4
[06:48] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: ok
[06:48] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: this time "install kubuntu" works :]
[06:48] <mrksbrd> HUH?????????????
[06:48] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: nice :D
[06:49] <lee__> lol i did
[06:49] <mrksbrd> if your asking about the chipset ....NO
[06:49] <mrksbrd> pentuim is pentuim & AMD is AMD
[06:49] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i love the new theme
[06:49] <ScorpKing> lee__: what are you talking about? :P
[06:49]  * mrksbrd tries to take the hammer back
[06:50] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: im installing right now isnt that kool lol
[06:50] <jtt> oops!
[06:50]  * ScorpKing gives the hammer back and get a bigger one...
[06:50] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: im just excited lol
[06:50] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: sure is cool. ;)
[06:50] <apparle> intelikey: Can you tell me other packages which are problematic on 64 like wine
[06:50] <lee__> hmm emotes...hmm reminds me
[06:50] <intelikey> sledg-o-matic for ScorpKing
[06:50] <mrksbrd> jtt, not sure if you ever could, there would be no benefit @ all
[06:50] <ScorpKing> lol
[06:51] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: whenevcer i think about gutsy i think futuristic and clean and thats exaclty  what it is :]
[06:51] <mrksbrd> apparle, do u have a 64bit processor or not???????????????????????
[06:51] <Ashex> anyone know anything about usb speakers with kubuntu?
[06:51] <apparle> mrksbrd: i mean to say can i install 64bit on P4
[06:51] <jtt> mrksbrd, sorry that was a joke :)  a poor attempt at humor i am afraid
[06:51] <LiL-JoN> mrksbrd: i do lol
[06:51] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: every release just gets better
[06:51] <Ashex> I'm having issues with kmixer getting the channel right
[06:51] <intelikey> apparle google can,  i can't,     i can tell you that with older 64bit and ati chips  things went south in a hurry
[06:51] <MurielGodoi> I am back and happy in my new ubuntu gutsy :)
[06:51] <Ashex> !DSS80
[06:52] <LiL-JoN> MurielGodoi: im installing it right now
[06:52] <lee__> HAS FOUND THE MISSING LINK lol
[06:52] <lee__> yay
[06:52] <jtt> MurielGodoi, upgrade or new install
[06:52] <mrksbrd> apparle, as long as it is a 64bit processor, if u have a standard 32bit then the answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:52] <MurielGodoi> jtt: new
[06:52] <apparle> mrksbrd: I don't know. That's why i am asking? i have a p4 2.4GHz. Thats all I know
[06:52] <lee__> Yahoo yippe does the celtic hsppy jig
[06:52] <Rask330> Again, this is probably the worst time to be seeking kubuntu-based help, but... I need some assistance doing a dual-monitor setup.  I have the proprietary drivers for my nVidia Geforce 6800 XT installed, and both of the monitors set to their native resolutions.  Trouble is, the smaller monitor (1024x768) pans and scans.  How do I stop that? :)
[06:52] <jtt> MurielGodoi, so now the compiling starts?
[06:52] <MurielGodoi> jtt: newi am still testing all features
[06:52] <mrksbrd> jtt, sorry that went right by my head....lol
[06:52] <xevious> what's the sources.list line for the canonical commercial repo?
[06:52] <intelikey> lee__ between ???
[06:52] <xevious> (for gutsy)
[06:52] <MurielGodoi> jtt: unfortunatelly :/
[06:53] <Rask330> I've successfully stumped the KDE channel.  X)
[06:53] <intelikey> lee__ oh the celtic music ?    i see.
[06:53] <lee__> heehee It was the greyed out java tht i had to down load manually Lava 6 runtime
[06:53] <jtt> mrksbrd, i figured with all the debris flying around i would try to lighten things up a little  lol
[06:53] <LiL-JoN> Rask330: or maybe nobodies had this problem
[06:53] <lee__> on amorch
[06:53] <mrksbrd> apparle....u probably don't then...I'd stick with a 32bit install then
[06:53] <jtt> MurielGodoi, i feel for you
[06:53] <LiL-JoN> Rask330: but thats a nice card if you were using windows caus thats for gaming lol
[06:53] <apparle> mrksbrd: Tell me is p4 2.4 GHz a 64bit proccessor
[06:54] <Rask330> LiL-JoN:  I suppose it's possible... but having two monitors of different size cannot be that uncommon an issue.
[06:54] <lee__> Albannach celtic guraunteed to test your subs and surropund
[06:54] <MurielGodoi> jtt: that is okay.
[06:54] <LiL-JoN> Rask330: more then you think
[06:54] <lee__> ooo i ferg to the graphic eq
[06:54] <Rask330> I got the card for $60 from a friend.  I'm really not a big gamer, but I didn't want to settle for some crappy onboard video.
[06:54] <mrksbrd> apparle, not all the time.....my guess would e NO
[06:55] <MurielGodoi> LiL-JoN: Here boot time got around 15sec faster
[06:55] <jtt> apparle, i think p4 2.4 is definitely  32bit
[06:55] <mrksbrd> if it is a 64bit processor it usually says it somewhere on the puter
[06:55] <melz> hi everyone i just enabled universe and teh other repos on my new gutsy install, but it's stuck at "waiting for headers (50%)". i click cancel and try again it just stays at 50 I try using different servers and its still stuck, anyone know how to fix?
[06:55] <MurielGodoi> apparle: I thing that Pentium D was the first 64bits
[06:55] <LiL-JoN> MurielGodoi: depends what hardware you gots
[06:55] <mrksbrd> AMD are mostly the ones putting out 64bit processors to the consumer
[06:56] <Rask330> I really don't want to give up on Linux.  ^^;  It's just that every time I try, I hit a snag that I can't get past.
[06:56] <intelikey> MurielGodoi heh  my boot time is less than half of the default setup.
[06:56] <LiL-JoN> Rask330: thats what makes linux so fun
[06:56] <ScorpKing> apparle: cat /proc/cpuinfo might be usefull
[06:56] <LiL-JoN> Rask330: fixing your problems
[06:56] <jtt> apparle, execute  lshw  and look for the cpu section it should tell the width of 32 or 64
[06:56] <MurielGodoi> intelikey: there is some tips in foruns about that.
[06:56] <mrksbrd> as of right now 64 bit is kinda useless, because there are not too many apps out, 64bit would benifit if in a server or a high end gamming system
[06:57] <mrksbrd> god I can't speel tonight
[06:57] <jtt> mrksbrd, true, true again
[06:58] <Rask330> LiL-JoN: I don't know. I'd want there to be a basis off of which to customize-- something to fall back to.  But when things don't work like this, all I can really do is fall back to Windows.
[06:58] <Rask330> Really though, I'm not looking to philosophize :P
[06:58] <intelikey> MurielGodoi it's ok i really don't want to make it thake the extra time that a default system takes...   posting in 41 seconds from a cold power on is fine with me.
[06:58] <jtt> misspelled words make it more exciting
[06:58] <mrksbrd> lol
[06:58] <ScorpKing> apparle: and lshw | grep width as well of course
[06:58] <Rask330> Anyone know anything about this dual monitor pan-and-scanning?
[06:59] <apparle> jtt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 this site says it supports x86_64 instructions
[06:59]  * mrksbrd thinks Scorp is getting in over his head again
[06:59]  * mrksbrd hands him a paddle
[06:59] <jtt> apparle, interesting  do th   lshw  and see what width it says
[06:59]  * ScorpKing hides and sip some coffee...
[06:59] <mrksbrd> apparle, but it has to be a 64bit to begin with
[07:00] <mrksbrd> apparle, what manufacturer is your puter
[07:00] <intelikey> cat  /proc/cpuinfo
[07:00] <jtt> intelikey, exactly
[07:00] <ScorpKing> ^^
[07:01] <apparle> jtt: i don't have linux installed on my friend's machine. i have a dual-core myself
[07:01] <intelikey> which doesn't actually tell me if this cpu is 32 or 64 bit  but if it was 64 it would tell me...
[07:01] <apparle> mrksbrd: It is assembled
[07:02] <ScorpKing> does anyone here have a 64bit cpu?
[07:02] <xevious> i do
[07:02] <xevious> athlon x2
[07:02] <mrksbrd> i'm not even sure if the make a dual-core 64bit....but I could be wrong
[07:02] <ScorpKing> xevious: what does lshw | grep width say?
[07:03] <mrksbrd> 32bit here
[07:03] <apparle> ScorpKing; I have a Pentium dual core with 64bit version installed
[07:03] <xevious> ScorpKing: er. a lot
[07:03]  * mrksbrd smashes his head against the desk
[07:03] <ScorpKing> 32 or 64?
[07:03] <xevious> most are 32bit, but there's 5 lines that say 64 bit
[07:03] <ScorpKing> ty
[07:03] <ScorpKing> case closed. :P
[07:03] <jtt> goes to bed have to work tomorrow have enjoyed the conversation, later
[07:04] <ScorpKing> c ya
[07:04] <mrksbrd> cya jtt
[07:04] <meuhlol> re
[07:04] <apparle> c ya jtt
[07:04]  * ScorpKing pass mrksbrd some aspirin..
[07:04] <xevious> ScorpKing: under cpu it says 64bit
[07:05]  * mrksbrd rips them from ScorpKing
[07:05] <xevious> ScorpKing: i think lshw|grep x86-64 is a more solid answer there
[07:05] <ScorpKing> yeah, a 32bit cpu won't show any 64 lines from lshw | grep width.
[07:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dss80 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <intelikey> ScorpKing the bus widths are listed as well.
[07:07] <ScorpKing> yes
[07:07]  * xevious adds medibuntu and canonical back into his sources, post-dist-upgrade
[07:07] <apparle> Does anybody know a method to check the bit size on windows. I wanna do that before installing kubuntu
[07:07] <ScorpKing> they wont' be 64 on a 32bit cpu tho
[07:08] <ScorpKing> ugh...
[07:08] <xevious> apparle: yeah. lemme pull the link
[07:09] <mrksbrd> lmao rotf
[07:09]  * ScorpKing sings a happy song and tru to relax...
[07:09] <ScorpKing> try*
[07:09] <xevious> apparle: download wincpuid
[07:09] <myrttiubuntu> i ubuntu how fix Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
[07:09] <myrttiubuntu> Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[07:09]  * mrksbrd wacks apparle w/Scorps Paddle.............wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:10] <myrttiubuntu> ubuntu broke computer :(
[07:10] <myrttiubuntu> how fix
[07:10] <myrttiubuntu> how plz :)
[07:10] <intelikey> myrttiubuntu is that the live CD or an installed system ?
[07:10] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: think the problem is in /boot/grub/menu.list or /etc/fstab
[07:10] <apparle> myrttiubuntu: How did it break your PC
[07:10] <myrttiubuntu> i put cd in and i get error
[07:10] <MurielGodoi> Which is the right package to install compiz on kubuntu? I tried compiz-kde but no success
[07:10] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: the UUID's are most likely mixed up
[07:11] <intelikey> ScorpKing "<myrttiubuntu> i put cd in and i get error"
[07:11] <myrttiubuntu> uuid's is what that how fix plz?
[07:11] <ScorpKing> i see
[07:11] <MurielGodoi> !compiz
[07:11] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[07:11] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: never mind if you boot from the cd
[07:11] <x128> hello how can I instal the gcc ?
[07:12] <vzduch> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:12] <intelikey> !b-e | x128
[07:12] <ubotu> x128: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:12] <ScorpKing> build-essentials
[07:12] <myrttiubuntu> how fix uuid's ubuntu broke computer i lose naked girl pornography
[07:12] <ScorpKing> lol
[07:12] <myrttiubuntu> how fix
[07:12] <intelikey> singular,  not s
[07:12] <myrttiubuntu> plz?
[07:12] <ScorpKing> then it should be broken. lol
[07:12] <myrttiubuntu> no
[07:13] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: do you get the problem when booting from the cd or from your hd?
[07:13] <intelikey> myrttiubuntu what language ?
[07:13] <myrttiubuntu> really big naked girl i touch
[07:13] <myrttiubuntu> me
[07:13] <myrttiubuntu> how fix
[07:13] <x128> x128@x128-desktop:~/xmms-1.2.10$ sudo apt-get -f install xmms
[07:13] <x128> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[07:13] <myrttiubuntu> woman home soon how fix quick!
[07:13] <x128> Creando árbol de dependencias... Hecho
[07:14] <intelikey> hmmm troll alert
[07:14] <x128> Tal vez quiera ejecutar `apt-get -f install' para corregirlo:
[07:14] <x128> Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
[07:14] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: i don't want to know about your naked girl. i have my own. awnser my question
[07:14] <x128>   skype: Depende: libasound2 (> 1.0.12) pero 1.0.10-2ubuntu4 va a ser instalado
[07:14] <vzduch> !paste | x128
[07:14] <x128>          Depende: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) pero 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 va a ser instalado
[07:14] <ubotu> x128: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:14] <x128>          Depende: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12) pero 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 va a ser instalado
[07:14] <Jucato> !es | x128
[07:14] <ubotu> x128: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[07:14] <x128>          Depende: libqt4-core (>= 4.2.1) pero no es instalable
[07:14] <x128>          Depende: libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.1) pero no es instalable
[07:14] <myrttiubuntu> ScorpKing i boot cd now broken
[07:14] <x128>          Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12) pero 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 va a ser instalado
[07:14] <x128>   xmms: Depende: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) pero no va a instalarse
[07:14] <x128>         Depende: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) pero no va a instalarse
[07:14] <x128> E: Dependencias incumplidas. Intente 'apt-get -f install' sin paquetes (o especifique una solución).
[07:14] <x128> it says the same when i type build-essentials
[07:14] <ScorpKing> lol
[07:14] <apparle> What does compiz do??
[07:14] <lee__> tuf luck  you aght not to have been vistiting places u aght not br at lol
[07:14] <mrksbrd> that was the first spammer I have seen in here
[07:15] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: then get new cd
[07:15] <intelikey> he no will to engrish
[07:15] <myrttiubuntu> i windows 95 but ubuntu better but not work you fix
[07:15] <lee__> taht reminds me
[07:15] <mrksbrd> apparle, it's a horrible program don't use it
[07:15] <myrttiubuntu> i windows 95 but ubuntu better but not work you fix
[07:15]  * mrksbrd winks
[07:15] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: slow down plz
[07:15] <xevious> uh. adept_updater just told me that a distribution upgrade was available. i upgraded to gutsy this morning
[07:16] <apparle> mrksbrd: in what way it is horrible??
[07:16] <ubuntunonaked> how fix
[07:16] <ubuntunonaked> plz :)
[07:16] <ScorpKing> myrttiubuntu: if the cd is broken get a new one. we can't fix it.
[07:16] <ubuntunonaked> yes fix you ubuntu broke bad release
[07:16] <xevious> ubuntunonaked: if you're getting that error when you insert the CD and reboot, then the computer is not broken. the CD is.
[07:16] <lee__> if it be picture then...
[07:17] <ubuntunonakedgir> how fix?
[07:17] <ScorpKing> ah man...
[07:17] <intelikey> lee__ prezactly
[07:17] <ScorpKing> lol
[07:17]  * xevious is tempted to hit the version upgrade button in Adept Manager
[07:17] <xevious> even though i updated to gutsy this morning
[07:17] <nk1> can someone help how i install fpt printer on kubuntu?
[07:17] <mrksbrd> apparle, I suggest you start out getting the correct version of Linux first then worry about Compiz
[07:18] <ubuntunonakedgir> i touch selvf but can not kernel panic how fix plz?
[07:18] <lee__> its ok xeviuos press da button
[07:18] <lee__> it won't bite
[07:18] <ubuntunonakedgir> i no bite
[07:18] <xevious> lee__: i upgraded this morning though...
[07:18] <ubuntunonakedgir> ho fix?
[07:18] <MurielGodoi> why when I install firefox apt-get install firefox-gnome-support as default in kubuntu?
[07:19] <lee__> ohh i upgraded yesterday ...didnt know that it was the final version lol
[07:19] <nk1> how i install fpt priner on ubuntu
[07:19] <xevious> i'm gonna do it
[07:19] <nk1> kubuntu*
[07:19] <ubuntuhowfix> how fix?
[07:19] <lee__> it can't be fix unless u reinstall
[07:19] <apparle> mrksbrd: Iwas asking all these questions for my friend . I have kubuntu installed on my dual core PC
[07:19] <ubuntuhowfix> how fix?
[07:19] <mrksbrd> xevious, what is it telling you is it has security and other updates to apply....not the whole program version
[07:19] <ubuntuhowfix> how fix?
[07:19] <xevious> mrksbrd: no
[07:19] <nk1> how i install fpt priner on  kubuntu printer is hp laserjet6l
[07:20] <xevious> mrksbrd: it's launching the Distribution Upgrade window now
[07:20] <xevious> mrksbrd: not adept updater
[07:20] <mrksbrd> oh
[07:20] <Jucato> howfixhowfixhowf: stop that
[07:20] <lee__> you probably have a trojan
[07:20] <howfixhowfixhowf> how fix?
[07:20] <xevious> hah
[07:20] <howfixhowfixhowf> howfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowf
[07:20] <howfixhowfixhowf> ixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfixhowfix
[07:20] <vzduch> *omfg*
[07:20] <melz> gah this is all broken n stuff :(
[07:20] <xevious> is this a prank?
[07:20] <lee__> can theses things get trojans an viruses?
[07:20] <howfixhowfixhowf> ?
[07:20] <intelikey> good by
[07:21] <mrksbrd> boy were full of a-holes tonight
[07:21] <ScorpKing> hah
[07:21] <lee__> oh
[07:21] <mrksbrd> lee, very unlikely
[07:21] <lee__> hmm
[07:21] <lee__> hes flooding
[07:21] <apparle> mrksbrd : now tell me how compiz is horrible
[07:22] <posingaspopular> hey all. im running kubuntu gutsy, and when I run akregator, all my feeds are unreachable. they have that red X thing going on. when I try to add delete/add the feeds back, it won't go. anyhelp is appreciated and i'll asnwer all questions to the best of my ability
[07:22] <mrksbrd> apparle, it's not...was kidding
[07:22] <ScorpKing> where's the ops today?
[07:22] <lee__> so th ewolf eats java
[07:22] <nk1> how i install fpt priner on  kubuntu printer is hp laserjet6l
[07:22] <lee__> Amorok, needs java to run it music program?
[07:22]  * vzduch hasn't yet bothered to install Compiz or the likes.. everybody seems to have problems w/ it, and I like to avoid problems :P
[07:22] <Jucato> lee__: no
[07:23] <apparle> mrksbrd : What it actually does then
[07:23] <lee__> or is it the xine?
[07:23] <Jucato> xine
[07:23] <lee__> ok
[07:23] <lee__> well I got it lol
[07:23] <nk1> how i install fpt priner on  kubuntu printer is hp laserjet6l someone tell or i install xp back
[07:23] <mrksbrd> alot of different things, all visual desktop effects
[07:23] <apparle> how to get visualizations for amarok
[07:23] <WaltzingAlong> !printers | nk1
[07:23] <ubotu> nk1: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:24] <vzduch> wth is an fpt printer?
[07:24] <ScorpKing> intelikey: ty anyways. :)
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:24] <lee__> some printers are not compatible
[07:24] <Jucato> apparle: install libvisual packages. forgot the names.
[07:24] <xevious> mrksbrd: hah - the Distribution Upgrade brought me to a window that says "Your system is up-to-date. There are no upgrades available for your system. The upgrade will now be canceled." Buttons at the bottom: "Report Bug" and "Close"
[07:24] <lee__> what is Cups? or the acronym?
[07:24] <apparle> mrksbrd: How to know if my PC will be able to cope up with compiz
[07:24] <Jucato> lee__: Commun Unix Printing System
[07:25] <lee__> never mind the link answered it
[07:25] <lee__> thanks
[07:25] <mrksbrd> Jucato, did you get that last spammer "howtofix"??
[07:25] <Jucato> yes
[07:25]  * xevious eats some cheddar
[07:25] <vzduch> mrksbrd: [08:20:51] -!- howfixhowfixhowf [i=jo@gateway/tor/x-7f7c014e984dd1a2] has left #kubuntu [requested by Jucato]
[07:26] <mrksbrd> apparle, install it & try it, I have no idea about your system
[07:26] <intelikey> xenophone....    "hmmm cheddar!"
[07:26] <lee__> *pets his dog as  dog falls a sleep
[07:26] <mrksbrd> ahhhhhhh missed it
[07:26] <mrksbrd> good job
[07:26] <lee__> how do you  do the emotes lol
[07:26] <ScorpKing> i'm off to work. have fun guys!
[07:27]  * Dr_willis wonders whats an emote.
[07:27] <mrksbrd> that always cracks me up.....someone has nothing better to do than flood a irc channel.....what a looser
[07:27] <intelikey> Dr_willis that's one better than a dmote
[07:27] <mrksbrd> cya scorp
[07:28] <apparle> mrksbrd: Dual Core 2.8GHz, 512 RAM, ATI Radeon Express 200 on board graphic card, 80GB hdc. now tell me
[07:28]  * Dr_willis goes to zmote...
[07:28] <xevious> must have been a lindows user
[07:28] <Dr_willis> ZZZzzz.... Night all.
[07:28] <lee__> emotes are when a person uses an active fraze  like wonder, gets, nods, or does someother action
[07:28] <intelikey> Dr_willis now you are "pro-mote-ing" sleep...
[07:28] <lee__> the ifnal fantasy uses "emotes" to help players when there is alanguage barrier and communicates are difficult
[07:28] <lee__> EOL on the sub
[07:28]  * WaltzingAlong wonders what lee__ means
[07:28]  * mrksbrd demands a PLEASE, before i give apparle an answer
[07:29] <WaltzingAlong> lee__: /me wonders how to type /me commands
[07:29] <apparle> mrksbrd: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEDual Core 2.8GHz, 512 RAM, ATI Radeon Express 200 on board graphic card, 80GB hdc. now tell me
[07:29]  * lee__ pets dog as he sleeps
[07:29] <mrksbrd> Waltz....just type /me <msg>
[07:29] <lee__> ah ok I got it its a me
[07:30]  * mrksbrd thinks about it
[07:30] <lee__> where as in the game itsa simple /points to ther <t>
[07:30]  * intelikey !
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[07:30] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: it works like this: you try it out !ati either it works (well) or not
[07:30] <mrksbrd> apparle, u should be able to run it
[07:31] <lee__> we also use ^^  >< and ^><^
[07:31] <mrksbrd> like Waltz said ATI cards are fussy though
[07:31] <intelikey> O.o
[07:31] <lee__> oops
[07:31] <lee__> and taht too oO
[07:31] <mmmiiikkkeee> since i have had gutsy installed if I have "nvidia" as my device in xorg.config, when i go to log out I don't have an option for shutdown/suspend/Nada!  but if i use "nv" all is well.  any ideas?
[07:31] <lee__> O.O
[07:32] <lee__> or O.^
[07:32] <WaltzingAlong> !suspend | mmmiiikkkeee
[07:32] <intelikey> >:]
[07:32] <apparle> mrksbrd: i have already installed the proprietary drivers. Now will it be fussy
[07:32] <mmmiiikkkeee> I dont have a shutdown option
[07:32] <mrksbrd> U HAVE TO TRY IT
[07:32]  * lee__ need to eat 
[07:33] <mrksbrd> every computer system is different
[07:33]  * intelikey is still thinking about "cheddar"....   
[07:33] <mrksbrd> I don't know what else to tell you
[07:33]  * lee__ listening to something in gaelic
[07:33] <intelikey> well not all are different,  some are alike
[07:33] <lee__> w/me wish taht he new the language
[07:34] <intelikey> i'm thinking about disconnecting the case fan on this box.  too noisy.
[07:35] <mmmiiikkkeee> When i click log out i _only_ a "log out" option. i have to run "shutdown now" to turn off the computer
[07:35] <apparle> mrksbrd: i am asking so much because i fon't have net and if I have to download from public PC ,I better first take opinoins
[07:35] <mrksbrd> intelikey, prolly going bad then
[07:36] <intelikey> mrksbrd actually no.  probably connected to +12 and should have connected it to +5
[07:36] <mrksbrd> .............more power
[07:36] <intelikey> but it sounds like a hair drier
[07:36] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <intelikey> oh it's back.
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <Name141> Oh yeah , one more thing I noticed, the 'windows' key didn't work , but rather you had to use ctrl + alt ?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <mrksbrd> apparle, your asking ?'s that we don't have answers for, the good thing about linux is it's free, if you don't like it then uninstall it
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <Name141> LMAO.
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <ubuntuisshit> how fix shit ubuntu and shit ops?
[07:37] <mrksbrd> oh my go
[07:37] <mrksbrd> god
[07:37] <xevious> yay jucato
[07:37] <mrksbrd> moron'
[07:38] <xevious> ubuntuisshit is a user on channels: #edubuntu #kubuntu #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-doc #ubuntu-kernel #ubuntu-laptop #ubuntu-locoteams #ubuntu-mirrors #ubuntu-mobile #ubuntu-release-party #ubuntuforums #ubuntustudio
[07:38] <snowdonkey> Hi.  How do I make Alt + Tab scroll through minimized windows?
[07:38] <xevious> hammering all fronts too
[07:38] <Jucato> yeah we're dealing with him
[07:38] <mrksbrd> Jucato, can't u ban his entire ip??
[07:38] <Name141> Tell him to go faster.
[07:38] <dsl807> hehe, I'm using nIRC which is a weird IRC client...this is the freenode kubuntu chat, right?
[07:38] <vzduch> snowdonkey: the system should be doing that on its own
[07:38] <Jucato> mrksbrd: he's on tor
[07:38] <Name141> So he gets excess flood.
[07:38] <intelikey> snowdonkey does it not default to that ?
[07:39] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[07:39] <xevious> i wish i had his ip
[07:39] <intelikey> snowdonkey oh you mean min/win only ?
[07:39] <xevious> >:)
[07:39] <snowdonkey> vzduch: I just installed gutsy from feisty and now I notice it scrolls only visible windows
[07:39] <apparle> mrksbrd: it's easy for you to say .But imagine downloading all the files and their dependencies on public PC at 20Kbps and then taking them homw
[07:39] <melz> hi I just installed gutsy and enabled multiverse etc in adept, trying to update it and adept keeps gettingstuck at "Waiting for Headers (63%)" anyone know how i could fix it
[07:39] <vzduch> k folks, gotta run for half a day's work, then it's weekend time :)
[07:39] <vzduch> l8ers :)
[07:40] <xevious> apparle: are you still trying to figure out which version to grab? 32/64?
[07:40] <snowdonkey> intelikey: Nah, just regular Alt + Tab including minimized windows
[07:40] <WaltzingAlong> snowdonkey: kmenu/system settings/window behavior ?
[07:42] <snowdonkey> waltzingalong: I don't see an option there that applies
[07:42] <mrksbrd> apparle, don't u have internet in your area??
[07:42] <apparle> xevious: Yes on my friend's behalf
[07:42] <apparle> mrksbrd
[07:43] <mrksbrd> melz, it's not you the servers are getting hammered due to the new version
[07:43] <intelikey> mrksbrd it's satalite or dialup here.
[07:43] <apparle> mrksbrd: my parents don't allow me to get a connection
[07:43] <mrksbrd> ah!!!!!....where is here?
[07:43] <Oakbox> i seem to have 122 processes running it that alot? (former windows user :) )
[07:43] <xevious> apparle: can you download a small program to test something?
[07:43] <snowdonkey> For example if all the windows are minimized then nothing comes up with Alt + Tab
[07:43] <MurielGodoi> melz: You can use torrents it is faster
[07:43] <xevious> apparle: wincpuid will tell you which model cpu it is.
[07:43] <intelikey> mrksbrd i'd tell you where "here" is, but then i'd have to kill you...
[07:43] <hrisi> hhelp please, anyone knows how to transfer videos to the ipod, i m kkubuntu, sorry my english is bad :(
[07:43] <mrksbrd> lol
[07:44] <xevious> apparle: then you can google that model and see if it's x86-64
[07:44] <claudio> algun latino??
[07:44] <apparle> xevious: If both work then which one should I choose
[07:45] <xevious> apparle: if it is a 64 bit chip, then go with amd64
[07:45]  * mrksbrd puts on a bullet prrof vest
[07:45] <MurielGodoi> claudio: me
[07:45] <claudio> funciona esto?
[07:45] <intelikey> mrksbrd heh.   like that will stop a 470
[07:45] <apparle> xevious: but many say that amd 64 has sftware compatibility problems
[07:45] <hrisi> hhelp please, anyone knows how to transfer videos to the ipod, i m kkubuntu, sorry my english is bad :(
[07:45] <xevious> apparle: i use amd64
[07:46] <hrisi> que necesitas claudio
[07:46] <claudio> waaaa
[07:46] <claudio> que wena
[07:46]  * mrksbrd stands beind a 12" thick piece of steel then!!!
[07:46] <MurielGodoi> claudio: In fact I'm brazilian
[07:46] <claudio> pense que era como mula esta cuestio del chat
[07:46] <xevious> apparle: the only annoyance was that i needed to fetch ia32libs and install a 32bit firefox in order to get flash
[07:46]  * intelikey "lost target"
[07:46] <mrksbrd> lol
[07:47] <xevious> apparle: so i guess for simplicity's sake you could do 32bit
[07:47] <claudio> alguien me puede ayudar a configurar la wireles de un notebook?
[07:47] <intelikey> but enough of that playing.  i do my best to avoid having to "light" anyone up.
[07:47] <xevious> apparle: i'm not sure if there's any real performance difference between the two
[07:47] <MurielGodoi> claudio: Qual é o modelo da placa?
[07:48] <apparle> xevious: I will see the compatibilty. Anyway thanks for the help . Really thanks
[07:48] <claudio> la targeta es una broadcom
[07:48] <MurielGodoi> claudio: Did you understand english?
[07:48] <xevious> apparle: you're welcome
[07:48] <claudio> casi nada
[07:48] <jtmoney> de nada
[07:49] <Oakbox> hrisi: im not sure but according to http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9266 it should just work...
[07:49] <apparle> xevious: I have heard 64bit works faster
[07:49] <MurielGodoi> claudio: Você sabe o modelo exato?
[07:49] <xevious> apparle: then go 64bit if it's a 64bit cpu. it's really not hard to get 32bit firefox+flash+java installed and there are great howtos online
[07:49] <intelikey> !en
[07:50] <Mithsir> Hi! I just upgraded to gutsy. I noticed that X11 was really slow, so I enabled compiz (which accellerated it a lot!). But when I try to configure it, ccsm keeps crashing on me ("segmentation fault")... What can I do?
[07:50] <claudio> Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card
[07:50] <claudio> esa es
[07:50] <MurielGodoi> intelikey: sorry claudio don't speak english
[07:50] <hrisi> thank u oakbox
[07:50] <claudio> estube lesiando como un mes tratando de configurarla en debian
[07:50] <apparle> xevious: alright
[07:51] <claudio> pero no pude
[07:51] <claudio> ahora le puse kubuntu
[07:51] <xevious> apparle: just grab that wincpuid tool
[07:51] <MurielGodoi> claudo: join #kubuntu-es
[07:51] <claudio> para ver si puedo
[07:51] <xevious> apparle: if you have trouble figuring out which cpu it is, come back here and i'm sure someone can help you out.
[07:51] <intelikey> MurielGodoi yeah i was checking the bot for help on that.   but the bot is down.
[07:51] <claudio> muchas GRACIAS!!!
[07:51] <Mithsir> Can anyone help?
[07:52] <apparle> xevious: Grabbed the tool. I will tell what result I get
[07:52] <intelikey> Mithsir sorry, i can't.  i'm a console guy.
[07:52] <Mithsir> Hmm...
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <intelikey> Mithsir this is not the best time to find help in here.   a lot of folks that normally have the answers, seem to have went into release day hidine
[07:54] <intelikey> g
[07:54] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:54] <drayen> just booted into 7.10 for the first time (after upgrading from 7.04) but there are no wobbly windows
[07:54] <drayen> what am i missing?
[07:54] <xevious> drayen: compiz.
[07:54] <Mithsir> intelikey: I see... That's too bad :-/. Does anyone else have that problem?
[07:54] <Jucato> !compiz | drayen
[07:54] <ubotu> drayen: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[07:55] <drayen> ahh ok :)
[07:55] <drayen> thanks
[07:55] <intelikey> Mithsir you are the first i saw mention it,   but i've not been here very long.
[07:55] <xevious> and wobbly windows is one of the most useless parts of compiz
[07:55] <xevious> expo rules
[07:55] <drayen> hehe
[07:55] <drayen> yeah ok
[07:55] <intelikey> Jucato problem solved ?
[07:55] <xevious> and i finally found a use for the set-your-screen-on-fire plugin
[07:55] <Jucato> intelikey: sort of...
[07:55] <intelikey> Mithsir has a Q
[07:55] <xevious> ... that guy who came in and started flooding before!
[07:55] <Mithsir> intelikey: I see...
[07:56] <Jucato> getting a hold of staffers at this time of day.. not really that easy :)
[07:56] <intelikey> ooops
[07:56] <intelikey>  Mithsir ask jucato
[07:56] <Jucato> what's the problem?
[07:56] <WaltzingAlong> xevious: i was not aware that compiz-fusion was meant to be useful
[07:56]  * Jucato was about to take his "get well from being sick" nap
[07:56] <Mithsir> Jucato: ccsm keeps crashing on me, so I can't config compiz...
[07:56] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: expo is useful. zoom is useful
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> WaltzingAlong: then you've obviously never actually used it
[07:57] <Jucato> oh man.. and it has to be one of the things I know nothing about :(
[07:57] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: and on my system it's faster
[07:57] <Daisuke-Ido> there's a lot of eyecandy, sure
[07:57] <intelikey> it wasn't "networking"  !!!
[07:57] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: i havent tried grouping and tabbing windows yet, but that seems awesome
[07:57] <intelikey> :)
[07:57] <Jucato> intelikey: I did say "one of the" :P
[07:58] <Linus2> Is there a way to tell the Kmenu to simly rebuild?  (Just installed a bunch of stuff with Adept but it doesn't show up)
[07:58] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: and you can write fire grafitti on your desktop. how is that not useful?
[07:58] <WaltzingAlong> Linus2: update-menus
[07:58] <Daisuke-Ido> but expo, scale, zoom, better window shadowing, those are actually useful
[07:58] <Jucato> Linus2: Alt+F2, "kbuildsycoca"
[07:58] <intelikey> Linus2 sudo update-menu*
[07:58] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: works only if you have debian menus installed (not really recommended)
[07:58] <Mithsir> well, then maybe you guys can tell me how I can accellerate my X11 with compiz disabled (it is darn slow w/o compiz)?
[07:58] <drayen> is there a way to see programs you never use?
[07:59] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: thanks for updating me
[07:59] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: how does one remove debian menus?
[07:59] <drayen> (ie good un install candidates)
[07:59] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: scratch that not really recommended thing. not really sure about that
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> how would an average user end up with the debian menu anyway?
[07:59] <Jucato> if it's there and does no harm, let it be
[07:59] <xevious> wow
[07:59] <xevious> opening adept manager just crashed X
[08:00] <Daisuke-Ido> the only end-user tool that has it right there available that i know of...  is automatix.
[08:00] <intelikey> WaltzingAlong having "menu" installed adds the "debian*" submenu to your kmenu   some like it     some dont.
[08:01] <intelikey> xevious is that repetable ?   or a fluke ?
[08:01] <snowdonkey> waltzingalong: Finally realized "show window list while switching desktops" was the option I needed in Window Behavior.  :)   Thx.
[08:01] <WaltzingAlong> snowdonkey: great. i thought it was there
[08:01] <xevious> intelikey: i think it was an amazingly well timed fluke on behalf of compiz :D
[08:02] <WaltzingAlong> glad you found it
[08:02] <lee__> I found an oops...streaming music and down loading data creast a break up in the stream
[08:02] <xevious> intelikey: i was singing its praises a little too loudly
[08:02] <intelikey> :)
[08:02] <Jucato> Mithsir: btw about your compiz problem, you could try asking in #compiz-fusion
[08:02] <WaltzingAlong> intelikey: aptitude shows i have 'menu' installed and that it was automatically installed. how can i show which package was installed to make this one automatically installed?
[08:02] <Daisuke-Ido> lee__: downloading heavily while listening to streaming music causes said music to be interrupted?
[08:02] <Mithsir> Jucato: ty, I'll try that
[08:02] <Daisuke-Ido> oh the horror!
[08:02] <Jucato> Mithsir: and if you have your video cards restricted/proprietary drivers, it shouldn't be slow
[08:03] <lee__> affirmative
[08:03] <Mithsir> Jucato: how can it be fast with compiz then?
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> lee__: i really try not to say this often, but... duh.
[08:03] <intelikey> WaltzingAlong apt-cache --rdepends show blah    maybe.    the man page knows.
[08:03] <WaltzingAlong> of course man knows all
[08:03] <lee__> well I never had it happen to me in um ...the um other thing'
[08:03] <intelikey> not quite all
[08:03] <intelikey> man woman
[08:03] <Daisuke-Ido> but it does happen
[08:04] <intelikey> E: no manual for woman
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> intelikey: no surprise there
[08:04] <WaltzingAlong> ah ha so menu got installed when i installed fluxbox. ok
[08:04] <lee__> hmm women are like a sports car....they need a lot of maintiance and a lot of tlc
[08:04] <intelikey> there ya go.  fluxbox uses menu
[08:04] <thoffmeyer> rofl
[08:04] <Daisuke-Ido> lee__: i would recommend throttling your download, especially if you're torrenting
[08:04] <intelikey> i think twm does too
[08:05] <lee__> iwasnt i was using the updatier
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> that could do it to
[08:05] <lee__> but i am finsihed with it now lol
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> too*
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> prioritize :)
[08:05] <lee__> trying to find taht gaelic dictinary I once found
[08:05] <Daisuke-Ido> goodnight, i'm not being much help right now
[08:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info x11vnc > xevious
[08:06] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: i've already got it installed and configured
[08:07] <WaltzingAlong> ok
[08:07] <xevious> i realized that maybe compiz and vnc weren't compatible
[08:07] <xevious> but i guess that's not the root of my problems
[08:08] <intelikey> trunk != root
[08:08] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: my kicker randomly disappears from my first desktop
[08:08] <Oakbox> Im new to this IRC stuff what do you mean when someone types ! infrount of something?
[08:08] <xevious> WaltzingAlong: X has been crashy
[08:08] <WaltzingAlong> Oakbox: it is a way to use the ubotu bot. you can message the bot to test it out. /msg ubotu !kubuntu
[08:08] <intelikey> Oakbox the channel bot  watches for lines that begin with ! and searches for info accordingly
[08:09] <Mithsir> What is the recommended driver for a radeon card then?
[08:09] <lee__> ah found it
[08:09] <WaltzingAlong> Mithsir: whichever works for you. which device do you have specifically? you could use any of vesa, ati, or fglrx
[08:09] <intelikey> Oakbox other than that,  it's computer code for NOT   like   !=    is   not equal
[08:10] <Y3k> does kubuntu get the upgrades that ubuntu also gets? or does kubuntu run separately?
[08:10] <Y3k> aka, kubuntu is developed separately
[08:10] <intelikey> Oakbox lots of times you'll see something like   !ntfs-3g  mentioned   which is saying that the infonode from ubotu will help   i.e.
[08:10] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[08:10] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:10] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: not sure. Xorg.log sais "ATI Radeon X1300/X1550 Series".
[08:10] <Oakbox> intelikey: hehe thanks :) i knew the programming one
[08:11] <WaltzingAlong> Y3k: many of the pieces underneath that are the same get updated together
[08:11] <lee__> hmm I think its commy cast having issues
[08:11] <WaltzingAlong> Mithsir: how well does the 'ati' driver perform for you? otherwise you could install the fglrx proprietory one
[08:11] <intelikey> Oakbox yeah   you find that irc is a melting pot of normal language computer language and pure geek
[08:12] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: currently, I use the fglrx, but it is really slow when I don't run compiz...
[08:12] <Oakbox> intelikey: thanks alot :) hehe i will have to experiment
[08:12] <Y3k> WaltzingAlong, so the only difference is gnome and kde differences right?
[08:12] <WaltzingAlong> Y3k: right
[08:12] <intelikey> np Oakbox
[08:12] <mrksbrd> Y3k, ubuntu is the backbone behind Kubuntu, KDE enviromnent is just applied over it to make Kubuntu
[08:13] <apparle> Which one should i use ubuntu or kubuntu
[08:13] <WaltzingAlong> Y3k: for me it makes sense to think about them as "ubuntuG" "ubuntuK" and "ubuntuX" all ubuntu with gnome, kde, and xfce
[08:13] <intelikey> apparle you want gnome or kde installed by default ?
[08:13] <mrksbrd> apparle, Stubuntu
[08:13] <LastMall> apparle   decide whether you like kde or gnome
[08:13] <Mithsir> BRB.
[08:13] <Y3k> yea, so it is possible to run both G and K in the same install right?
[08:13] <apparle> both are cool
[08:13] <mrksbrd> Y3k, yes
[08:14] <WaltzingAlong> Y3k: you could have them both installed. when you log in, select which session you want to start gnome or kde
[08:14] <intelikey> Y3k absotivly
[08:14] <lee__> !hmm the temprature thing no wirky for my computer
[08:14] <Y3k> stubuntu? i thought it's called edubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> i mean posolutly
[08:14] <xevious> i'm off to bed
[08:14] <xevious> g'night folks
[08:14] <LastMall> apparle  i do a commandline install, then kde-core, then add the other stuff I want/need
[08:14] <mrksbrd> Y3k....was a joke
[08:14] <Y3k> :D
[08:14] <WaltzingAlong> Y3k: if you have one install the other through installing the package 'ubuntu-desktop' or 'kubuntu-desktop'
[08:14] <LastMall> and there's xubuntu which is xfce
[08:15] <Y3k> ah ok
[08:15] <WaltzingAlong> or xubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <Y3k> thanks
[08:15] <akrill> what i do is start with ubuntu, install it
[08:15] <akrill> then do ubuntu-server
[08:15] <akrill> then xubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <Mithsir> So, I am back with a reeally slow X usign the fglrx driver.
[08:16] <akrill> THEN finally so i get the kubuntu-desktop stuff all defaulted... install kubuntu-desktop
[08:16] <akrill> :-p
[08:16] <WaltzingAlong> Mithsir: interesting that it would be so slow. which xserver are you using?
[08:16] <WaltzingAlong> akrill: :d
[08:16] <mrksbrd> akrill, yea sorta....something like that....lol
[08:16] <intelikey> and there is my favorite.  for Q in `dpkg -l | cut -d ' ' -f 3` ;do apt-get -y remove --purge $Q ;done    :)))
[08:17] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: how can I find out? I think its the default one...
[08:17] <akrill> i live for system bloat
[08:17] <akrill> lol
[08:17] <mrksbrd> then u have project looking glass
[08:17] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: I also have ugly graphic glitches, btw.
[08:17] <akrill> btw, whats the difference between the CD and DVD isos?
[08:17] <WaltzingAlong> Mithsir: use adept manager, search for xserver and check to show just installed packages
[08:18] <intelikey> akrill a buck two ninty five
[08:18] <WaltzingAlong> akrill: dvd contains more packages and languages and can be either install from cli or run live
[08:18] <mrksbrd> akrill, dvd has most of the progs/packages on disk, vs cd where alot u have to d/l
[08:18] <WaltzingAlong> installed*
[08:19] <akrill> ah i see
[08:19] <Exilant> when trying to update to gutsy, apt wants to install 127 new packages and consume 988 more megabyte space, is that normal? and how to prevent it, i don't have that much space
[08:19] <intelikey> akrill ok sorry it a buck two ninty seven    my bad.
[08:19] <akrill> lol
[08:20] <WaltzingAlong> Exilant: eventually those will get installed over what you have already so the space is just temp during download
[08:20] <mrksbrd> Exilant, they are security updates & fixes....suggest a bigger HDD
[08:20] <apparle> can kaffiene play .flv
[08:20] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: I have xserver-xorg and xserver-xgl (maybe the later one is run?).
[08:20] <Mithsir> WaltzingAlong: how do I switch between them?
[08:20] <WaltzingAlong> Mithsir: i can understand that it will be slow hrough xserver-xgl
[08:21] <intelikey> Exilant you need to either remove some packages first,  or free some space.    or my favorite, "dont upgrade"
[08:21] <mrksbrd> my god after 4hrs of downloading my updates are almost done
[08:21] <Exilant> WaltzingAlong, mrksbrd: No, it really does use that much additional space, not just temporary, and actually some pretty insane packages
[08:21] <mrksbrd> yahoo
[08:22] <apparle> Can kaffiene play .flv files
[08:22] <david_> hi, i just wanted to know if the RT61 default 7.10 drivers actually work?
[08:22] <Mithsir> BRB
[08:22] <mrksbrd> it will show a d/l size & install size in adept mgr on the right bottom
[08:22] <david_> or will i need to use the tarball in gibbon?
[08:22] <Exilant> intelikey: yes, good favourite, should have sticked to it
[08:22] <WaltzingAlong> Exilant: it needs to download that much but then most of the packages you have will be updated with the downloaded versions - the new files copied over the old
[08:22] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: mplayer and vlc to the rescue!
[08:23] <Mithsir> Well, I just removed xserver-xgl, now I get decent speed
[08:23] <apparle> WaltzingAlong: Will it play if libxine1-ffmpeg and libxine-extracodecs installed
[08:24] <Mithsir> Thanks for now. cya.
[08:24] <Exilant> apt-get ... 929 upgraded, 174 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 1164MB of archives. After unpacking 986MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:24] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: ffmpeg can play it sure
[08:24] <lee__> GU MATH OIDHCHE
[08:25] <david_> no one uses ralink wireless cards?
[08:25] <apparle> WaltzingAlong: So i will be able to play it with kaffiene
[08:26] <mrksbrd> Exilant, yep then 986 of disk space will be used.....what the heck version u have?
[08:26] <lee__> oops sorry wrong area..eh it means okwell, night
[08:26] <robewald|work> hello, I have an xorg problem: "AUDIT <timestamp> X: client 1 rejected from local host (uid 1000)"
[08:26]  * WaltzingAlong thinks so
[08:26] <Exilant> mrksbrd: feisty... latest update
[08:26] <robewald|work> it works as root, so i suspect i don't have the right permissions, but I really don't know where to look
[08:26] <mrksbrd> from a fresh install?
[08:27] <Oakbox> I seem to have a wird prolem with Compiz...  If i select number of desktops as 4 i get 8....  any ideas?
[08:27] <intelikey> robewald|work what generated that error ?
[08:27] <Exilant> well, freshly reinstalled when feisty came out afair
[08:27] <SilentDis> !compiz
[08:27] <apparle> mrksbrd: For upgrade to gutsy which is better ,update from CD or fresh install, I don't have net
[08:28] <robewald|work> intelikey: startx /usr/bin/xterm from my normal account(uid 1000) it works as root
[08:28] <mrksbrd> apparle, your only option is CD then
[08:28]  * SilentDis pokes ubotu
[08:28] <robewald|work> it work before (i am on feisty still) and i did a security update this morning
[08:28] <robewald|work> then it stopped working
[08:28] <intelikey> robewald|work try just running X   and see if it does the same
[08:28] <SilentDis> !compiz
[08:29] <SilentDis> grrr, i need that infobit!  lol
[08:29] <apparle> mrksbrd: What about fresh install
[08:29] <GS3User007> testing
[08:29] <GS3User007> w00t
[08:29] <intelikey> robewald|work sounds like Xorg may have lost it's   suid  possably
[08:30] <mrksbrd> apparle, depends on how much stuff you'd be willing to loose, if u don't have much then do a fresh install
[08:30] <robewald|work> intelikey: X works, I get the strippled background. but no clients can connect to the x server
[08:30] <WaltzingAlong> s/loose/lose
[08:31] <apparle> mrksbrd: Will packages like kaffeiene or k3b get upgraded if I upgrade from CD
[08:31] <intelikey> robewald|work did you try running something like   xterm --display:0    as the same user   to see if it errored or not ?
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> luckily you stuck /home on its own partition so you can just format / then mount /home back, keeping all your stuff
[08:31] <david_> anyone with RT61 wirelss pci card success on gibbon ?
[08:32] <SilentDis> grrr... anyone have the linky for the 'proper' compiz/compiz-fusion setup routine for Kubuntu 7.10?  ubotu doesn't wanna talk to me. :(
[08:32] <the-erm> I wonder how hard it would be to make a bit torrent type repo system the update is insanely slow.
[08:32] <SilentDis> the-erm: there's work going on for apt-torrent now
[08:32] <WaltzingAlong> the-erm: some of us installed last week or two days before 'the big release'
[08:32] <mrksbrd> apparle, it will update everything needed
[08:32] <apparle> ok
[08:33] <the-erm> SilentDis: that's cool.  It's definitely needed.
[08:33] <WaltzingAlong> clap clap WoW style updates
[08:33] <david_> secondly, now that gibbon is final, is it still recommended to check "pre release" updates to update to gibbon? should i uncheck it once its done?
[08:34] <intelikey> robewald|work ok.   if Xorg will work,  and startx wont then the startx script may be calling the wrong executable.    ls -l /etc/X11/X  make sure it's a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg
[08:35] <robewald|work> intelikey: verified, /etc/X11/X links to /usr/bin/Xorg
[08:35] <WaltzingAlong> david_: to upgrade to gutsy, yes i think so (having pre release/proposed checked) but after gutsy is installed it could be unchecked
[08:35] <intelikey> ok and /usr/bin/X is  -rwsr-sr-x   correct?
[08:36] <robewald|work> intelikey: yes
[08:36] <SilentDis> the-erm: another option is to pull *ubuntu-alternate cd for your platform, and perform the upgrade that way.  the torrents for those are out there
[08:36] <david_> WaltzingAlong: thanks heaps!
[08:36] <intelikey> robewald|work hmmm.     will startx  run with out any args ?
[08:37] <the-erm> SilentDis: Oddly enough I'm downloading that cd, and the desktop - just in case - right now
[08:37] <apparle> how to play realplayer files like .rmvb on kaffiene
[08:37]  * SilentDis opens ktorrent and seeds out desktop for the-erm :)
[08:37] <the-erm> I'm actually almost done with the download SilentDis
[08:38] <the-erm> So no worries.
[08:38] <SilentDis> brb, time to stir the soup :)
[08:38] <robewald|work> no, same error, but /usr/bin/xinit works and gives me an xterm
[08:38] <intelikey> robewald|work then i'll have to assume that your startx script is hosed
[08:39] <apparle> how to play realplayer files like .rmvb on kaffiene
[08:39] <mrksbrd> goodnight all
[08:39] <robewald|work> intelikey: maybe not, that same error also appears when I want to log in from kdm.
[08:39] <MurielGodoi> mrksbrd: night
[08:40] <intelikey> robewald|work ls -ld /tmp
[08:41] <intelikey> errr wait. kdm  that writes in /root   never mind
[08:41] <bdgraue> after a fresh gutsy-install my webcam does not work anymore
[08:41] <robewald|work> intelikey: empty
[08:41] <intelikey> empty ?
[08:41] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[08:41] <intelikey> should be   drwxrwxrwt
[08:42] <robewald|work> intelikey: yes, i deleted all before I restarted X and kdm
[08:42] <apparle> hey how to play .rmvb files
 robewald|work ls -ld /tmp  <<<<
[08:42] <intelikey> dash L dash D    long listing   dirrectories only
[08:43] <intelikey> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 Oct 19 06:06 /tmp
[08:43] <jtmoney> as far as feisty, what's the difference between xorg-driver-fglrx and nvidia-glx-new?
[08:43] <bdgraue> apparle: i think mplayer can do this
[08:43] <robewald|work> intelikey: aah, ok I get you, sorry.... drwxrwxrwt root:root /tmp
[08:43] <intelikey> ok.
[08:43] <WaltzingAlong> !info youtube-dl | apparle
[08:43] <ubotu> apparle: youtube-dl: download videos from youtube.com. In component universe, is extra. Version 2007.08.24-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:43] <jtmoney> !info nvidia-glx-new
[08:43] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.9 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[08:43] <jtmoney> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:43] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.4-14.9 (gutsy), package size 8357 kB, installed size 22472 kB
[08:44] <jtmoney> oh my god
[08:44] <jtmoney> i just realized my mistake, i am retarded
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> ati vs nvidia?
[08:44] <jtmoney> haha yeah, i have one of both
[08:45] <intelikey> robewald|work one other thing i can think of off hand.   ls -l ~/.ICEauthority  make sure you won it.
[08:45] <intelikey> WaltzingAlong last count was 5-3 nv
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> :p
[08:46] <apparle> bdgraue: I wanna play them kaffiene. Is it possible. Any realmedia codec library for xine engine
[08:46] <intelikey> won it./own it
[08:46] <robewald|work> very simple solution, disk full... *blush*
[08:46] <bdgraue> apparle: could be,but i'm not sure,  libxine-extracodecs installed?
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | apparle
[08:46] <ubotu> apparle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:47] <intelikey> robewald|work want a very simple solution ?
[08:47] <apparle> bdgraue: yes
[08:47] <intelikey> robewald|work   sudo tune2fs -m 0 /dev/<yourdevicehere>
[08:48] <apparle> WaltzingAlong; Can you tell me directly how to
[08:48] <robewald|work> intelikey: what does that do?
[08:48] <intelikey> turns off the reserve blocks that users can't use but root can.
[08:48] <intelikey> makes it all avalable
[08:48] <intelikey> i
[08:49] <robewald|work> Well, the errormessage from gdm told me. kdm is lackin in this respect
[08:49] <intelikey> that assumes  ext# file system    there is another way with rieser
[08:49] <intelikey> robewald|work that's not the only respect   imo
[08:50] <intelikey> i wouldn't reccomend kdm to a windows user, let alone a friend...
[08:50] <XsteelWolf> What's a good download manager for rapidshare
[08:50] <robewald|work> intelikey: wow, that is rather strong :-) I like the autologin feature though. does gdm have something like that
[08:51] <intelikey> indeed
[08:51] <rand_acs> how many is running Gutsy without issues yet?
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> io
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> apparle: http://kaffeine.kde.org/?q=faq#question6
[08:52] <intelikey> gdm is a good one.  has all the features, lacks some of the things that tic me off like writing in /root and not telling you what happened to it...
[08:52] <intelikey> rand_acs no way to know,  they are the ones that we never see in here...
[08:53] <robewald|work> intelikey: well, maybe I should switch.... we'll see. now I got some work to do. Thanks for the help.
[08:53] <intelikey> robewald|work welcome.
[08:53] <Oakbox> compiz is takine 97% of my cpu :S
[08:53] <bdgraue> how can i get the information, which chipset my webcam have?
[08:53] <rand_acs> intelikey: lol, fair enough
[08:54] <rand_acs> I'm backing up some data then I'm going to upgrade
[08:54] <intelikey> bdgraue what interface ?   usb ?    lsusb   maybe.
[08:54] <bdgraue> lsusb don't tell me the chipset
[08:54] <rand_acs> my updater broke so I got the .iso and will do form that
[08:54] <bdgraue> it says only microdia
[08:54] <dgrub> anyone able to help with kde4? itś crashing my X server when i try to login to it
[08:55] <sebart> I have slow network (internet) connection using kubuntu gutsy. There is no problem on my laptop (ubuntu feisty). Anyone else with the same problem?
[08:56] <intelikey> bdgraue i'm not sure you can parse it from a usb device without first knowing what it is...  "oximoronic i know."   maybe someone else knows.
[08:56] <bdgraue> :/
[08:57] <Ace2016> Hi all
[08:57] <WaltzingAlong> !hi | Ace2016
[08:57] <ubotu> Ace2016: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:58] <Ace2016> hi WaltzingAlong
[08:58] <rand_acs> well here goes the update, wish me luck...
[08:58] <Ace2016> anyone here know how to stop the program that controls the backlight?
[08:59] <Ace2016> the second i login to kde it turns the backlight to a very low level
[08:59] <Ace2016> i can stay for ages in kdm and its fine, the second i login the backlight goes very dim and i have to go into vista to get it back to an acceptable level again
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> Ace2016: maybe check the gamma settings in kde? kmenu/system settings/monitor and display/color and gamma
[09:01] <sebart> anyone else experiencing network slowdown on gutsy?
[09:01] <sd32> so is rc 5 the final release?
[09:02] <dgrub> sebart: \O
[09:02] <WaltzingAlong> !final | sd32
[09:04] <Ace2016> WaltzingAlong: that doesn't seem to work
[09:05] <WaltzingAlong> Ace2016: which video card and driver?
[09:05] <Ace2016> nvidia
[09:05] <Ace2016> using nv at the moment
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> and difference when using nvidia?
[09:06] <Road_kill> can someone help me set up Compiz?
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | Road_kill
[09:06] <Ace2016> i'm in xorg and using konversation now, so probably not xorg or its drivers, i think its a service or something that is run on startup
[09:06] <Road_kill> !compiz
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> Road_kill: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[09:07] <Ace2016> isn't ubotu supposed to say that?
[09:07] <WaltzingAlong> yes, taking a break i guess
[09:07] <jtmoney> anyone have problems with gutsy intermittenly disconnecting their wireless connection?
[09:07] <WaltzingAlong> not i
[09:08] <jtmoney> ehh, i think i'll just stick with feisty for a few weeks
[09:08] <Road_kill> anyone else have crashing Kopete?
[09:08] <sd32> I have a rc 5 disk, is it ok to use this as a install or do I need to re-download it?
[09:08] <WaltzingAlong> sd32: use that. then normal update and upgrade from there
[09:08] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy? already patched. check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500  and toward the bottom are downloads
[09:09] <sd32> waltzingalong, thanks
[09:09] <l3dx> I have some trouble upgrading to gutsy..debconf and x11-common_1 failes to install
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> l3dx: how were you upgrading?
[09:10] <l3dx> using the upgrade instruction
[09:10] <l3dx> version-upgrade
[09:13] <l3dx> subprocess pre-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped
[09:13] <mike> Where is gkrellm ?
[09:13] <Hamra> if im going to upgrade to gutsy online, what is approximatly the size of the stuff that gets downloaded?
[09:13] <dgrub> !kde4
[09:13] <mike> not installable,,hmm
[09:14] <WaltzingAlong> l3dx: what are you using now? feisty?
[09:14] <l3dx> WaltzingAlong, yes
[09:15] <l3dx> I pressed the "report bug" button, but nothing happend..at least I didn't SEE anything happen
[09:15] <Road_kill> Does anyone have compiz running and could possible help me?
[09:16] <WaltzingAlong> Road_kill: perhaps check #compiz-fusion
[09:16] <mike> no ksensors in 710?
[09:16] <Road_kill> thank you
[09:17] <mike> Gkrellm been replaced?
[09:17] <l3dx> well, I need some coffee!
[09:17] <webcode> Hi
[09:17] <webcode> Forgive for my bad English
[09:18] <RawSewage> should I upgrade or do a new full install
[09:18] <K|> full install
[09:18] <webcode> Do not prompt, how it is possible to update Kubuntu 7.04 till 7.10?
[09:18] <RawSewage> ok ty
[09:18] <K|> at least my upgrade is just painful
[09:18] <RawSewage> why
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> webcode: there are upgrade instructions in a link in the topic
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> webcode: Upgrade instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[09:19] <K|> RawSewage: hd to small and for some reason he wants to install additional 1 gig of software i don't need
[09:19] <webcode> WaltzingAlong, Thanks!
[09:20] <mike> No gkrellm /ksensors etc :(
[09:20] <RawSewage> oh
[09:20] <meuhlol> kubuntu 7.10 has already mp3 support or need to DL something at plus?
[09:21] <webcode> KMenu -> System - Crash :(
[09:21] <l3dx> WaltzingAlong, is there a way I can abort the upgrade? since it fails?
[09:21] <Ace2016> for some strange reason every time i see dolphin i think of vista's file manager, maybe its the address bar, but it sure does remind me of it
[09:21] <l3dx> some kind of rollback
[09:22] <Ace2016> oh and removing the guidance power manager fixed it
[09:22] <jarn> Adept seems to be stuck at "Waiting for headers" - I'm assuming this is due to server load?
[09:22] <mike> jarn: yes over loaded
[09:22] <jarn> mike: Okay, thanks - just wanted to make sure ;)
[09:22] <chakie_work> jarn: i had the same and cancelled the download after a while. now adept flat out refuses to do anything related to upgrading
[09:23] <mike> i am using NZ mirrors
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> Ace2016: you can use konqueror. right mouse click a folder, open with/other   find konqueror  and check remember application association of this filetype
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> if you can, grab the alternate cd (or dvd) through the torrent then upgrade from that
[09:23] <RawSewage> should I use a torrent instead
[09:23] <RawSewage> I dont see a handy torrent link on the Kubuntu download page
[09:24] <RawSewage> it should be at the top, in big letters
[09:24] <webcode> After yesterday's updating 7.04 systemsettings does not work. :(
[09:24] <chakie_work> any hint as to how to get adept to actually trigger a system upgrade? the docs at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade just don't do anything except fetch the pre-release updates"
[09:24] <sd32> If I applied the kubuntu desktop to a ubuntu install, and then upgrade to gutsy, will it delete the kde desktop and make me reinstall it, or will it update the kde also?
[09:24] <RivaeAerya> Hello - I'm using Kubuntu right now and i plan on (maybe) switching back to Ubuntu because Ubuntu has got better support than Kubuntu, in features, software, and hardware. So, i deleted .gnome2 and .gnome and .gconf and .gconfd but now i can't run GNOME anymore. And, the preferences menu is loaded with all kinds of junk. So can anyone help me with all of this?
[09:24] <K|> chakie_work: you can always modify your sources.list
[09:25] <RawSewage> nm
[09:25] <webcode> Please, help :(
[09:25] <webcode> After yesterday's updating 7.04 systemsettings does not work. :(
[09:25] <chakie_work> RawSewage: the torrent files are where the normal downloads are, ie on ftp
[09:25] <chakie_work> K|: that's the next step, ie a normal "edit sources.list && aptitude dist-upgrade"
[09:25] <RawSewage> chakie_work, I see now , thanks
[09:25] <K|> ah, ok
[09:25] <chakie_work> K|: but there is this nice tool that's supposed to do this. and it's always a mess when some repos don't work
[09:26] <K|> chakie_work: i thought that only worked in gnome
[09:26] <chakie_work> ie a brutal s/feisty/gutsy/ won't work
[09:26] <K|> never really got used to adept
[09:26] <chakie_work> K|: which? aptitude dist-upgrade?
[09:27] <K|> no, a gui-driven update to another version
[09:27] <chakie_work> K|: ah, it worked ok when i updated to feisty
[09:28] <chakie_work> hm, but i would need some kind of list of all the needed repositories. i guess that adept can add them to sources.list after a basic upgrade
[09:28] <Ace2016> !easysource
[09:29] <LiL-JoN> hey guys im installing gutsy right now im on the live cd :]
[09:29] <ubotu> sd32: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[09:29] <ubotu> Road_kill: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[09:29] <Road_kill> hey guys, how do i use my Windows button in Kubuntu?
[09:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[09:29] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:30] <Ace2016> chakie_work: you can get good generated list of repos here http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[09:30] <chx> Gutsy is one part cool, one part problems. The brightness setting keys on the laptop (FN+F1, FN+F2) does not work anymore, how could I debug? when coming back from suspend, the backlight remains off. Finally it uses the old problematic ipw3945 instead of the new iwl3945 module, how could I change that?
[09:31] <E_mE> how can i restore my graphics settings.. there completely bugger after trying to install my ATI x1600 graphics Accesloration... how can i revoke back?
[09:31] <chakie_work> Ace2016: thanks!
[09:31] <mneisen> Is it just me, or does upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy just not work as described at kubuntu.com? The Adept Manager does not open the UPgrade Manager, even after updating the system to the very latest Feisty packages, and after enabling "Recommended Upgrades". What does work, though, is a short "sudo do-release-upgrade" on the CLI. Anyboday know anything about that issue?
[09:32] <chakie_work> mneisen: well, i see the same
[09:33] <E_mE> when i press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace it doesn't go back to console either :/
[09:33]  * LiL-JoN is installing gutsy :]
[09:33] <bonaldo2000> Can anyone answer me this: If I supplied the irqpoll option when I install ubuntu (I thought I had a problem that it might would be able to solve but didnt) will the effects of the irqpoll option remain in the system after installation even though I no longer have it in my boot parameter list?
[09:33] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: how goes the installation?
[09:33] <bonaldo2000> I asked the question a couple of times yesterday, but no one aswered :-(
[09:34] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: it didnt work last time now im installing it again after playing halo 3
[09:34] <bonaldo2000> (it should say kubuntu)
[09:34] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: its at copying files...34%
[09:34] <Ace2016> E_mE: thats not the best way to get to a terminal, logout and press ctrl+n or was it alt+n, something like that, its in the menu, then run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart to get back to kde
[09:34] <Ace2016> to get back to kdm and login again*
[09:34] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: lol
[09:34] <E_mE> Ace2016: i cant see the desktop...
[09:35] <mneisen> chakie_work: Do you know why this is so?
[09:35] <E_mE> Ace2016: i'm trying to get my graphics settings work.. i tryied to install ATI Accesloration and now it refuse to book into any xserver what so ever!
[09:35] <chakie_work> mneisen: no, sorry. that's why i came here
[09:35] <mneisen> chakie_work: I even tried on a freshly installed system (VirtualBox)?
[09:35] <mneisen> chakie_work: OK, isee.
[09:35] <E_mE> even went i revert back to a stable config
[09:35] <Ace2016> so your xorg doesn't start? tried setting the driver to vesa?
[09:36] <E_mE> ok
[09:36] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i have a list of program im gonig to install then after that i want to install compiz fusion then after that i want to drink some koolaid (keep in mind im not black)
[09:36] <LiL-JoN> Ace2016: vesa always works
[09:37] <ScorpKing> haha
[09:37] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: most of all i want to make sure there are no problems cause if there is im going to BUST out my old feisty and BAM problem fixed lol
[09:38] <Ace2016> yup thats why i suggested it
[09:38] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: do you know a page that shows the ati cards that are gonig to work?
[09:38]  * LiL-JoN Copying Files... 61%
[09:39] <E_mE> ive used vesa now and i'm getting: Requested Entity already in use!
[09:39] <helloyo> hey guys, anyone having issues with kopete? no issues in the RC, but it crashes every time i try to log in
[09:40] <LiL-JoN> helloyo: yeah alot of people are having that problem
[09:40] <LiL-JoN> helloyo: theres a fix out there
[09:40] <sd32> this is the first time i've ever seen a op in here
[09:40] <LiL-JoN> sd32: whose the op?
[09:40] <E_mE> works now that ive taken dual monitors off
[09:40] <pag> helloyo, fix available: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29
[09:40] <sd32> dont know
[09:40] <Ace2016> Riddell:
[09:40] <Ace2016> he is the op
[09:41] <E_mE> Ace2016: how can i revoke back to standard graphic settings?
[09:41] <helloyo> LiL-JoN, pag: thank you
[09:41] <doe> herroo
[09:42] <Ace2016> well vesa was the standard failsafe kind of dirver, you could reconfigure your xserver by doing  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  but not sure if that would make it better or worse
[09:42] <LiL-JoN> Ace2016: it will make it better
[09:42] <E_mE> that didnt work for me
[09:42] <chx> So. The KDE powermanager applet does notchange the brightness of my LCD panel. How could I debug this?
[09:42] <Road_kill> How can I get Kubuntu to start using my Windows button (super) key?!
[09:42] <LiL-JoN> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:43] <ScorpKing_> can someone kick SkorpKing so i can get my nick back? plz...
[09:43] <E_mE> LiL-JoN: i used that earlier and won't boot at all.. i think my gflrx drivers are buggered
[09:43] <Ace2016> chx: same here, i had to upgrade my kernel in debian so i'm going to do the same now
[09:43] <pag> !register | ScorpKing_
[09:43] <ubotu> ScorpKing_: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:43] <LiL-JoN> Road_kill: thats like teaching a dog to ice skate
[09:43] <posingaspopular> ScorpKing_: /msg nickserv ghost (nick) nickpassword
[09:43] <Road_kill> ........
[09:43] <Ace2016> when i upgraded the kernel i got the function buttons to work, so at least i could use the buttons
[09:43] <l3dx> After a failed upgrade, and a reboot. xorg is dead
[09:44] <l3dx> is there a way to do a rollback from the upgrade?
[09:44]  * LiL-JoN Scanning the mirror... 82%
[09:44] <ScorpKing_> hehe. konversation did something and now it's full of $#$^ . brb
[09:45] <noaxess_kubuntu> anybody know information about the newest 300mbps wlan card driver for linux?
[09:45] <noaxess_kubuntu> 801.11n?
[09:45] <noaxess_kubuntu> o where is a hardware list for latest kubuntu?
[09:47] <ScorpKing> that's better. :D
[09:47] <felix_e> riddell: kde-stable and kde-latest still point to 3.5.7
[09:47] <Road_kill> Lil-jon: so its not possible?
[09:48] <LiL-JoN> Road_kill: i think it is im not sure if its easy tho :[
[09:48] <Road_kill> :(
[09:48] <posingaspopular> Road_kill: what are you trying to do
[09:48] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: hey are you the ScorpKingi was talking to earlier?
[09:48] <ScorpKing> yes
[09:48] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: i lub you?
[09:48] <ScorpKing> konversation has gone mad
[09:49] <Road_kill> posingapopular: compiz uses alot of the "super" button, so i was hoping to get it to be detected
[09:49] <ScorpKing> ;D
[09:49]  * LiL-JoN wants taco bell yumm yumm
[09:49] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: 94%
[09:50] <LiL-JoN> configuring hardware
[09:50] <ScorpKing> nice :D
[09:50] <mike> ok nn temp monitoring,,hmm
[09:50] <mike> no^^
[09:51] <ScorpKing> i'm trying to update the packages on 7.04 but you guys got the servers so busy i keep on getting lag and very slow connection. :(
[09:51] <Road_kill> change your respository
[09:51] <Road_kill> i changed mine, thats how i was able to upgrade to gutsy
[09:51] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: im done installing it
[09:52] <LiL-JoN> how do i privet message somebody
[09:52] <pag> LiL-JoN, ie. /msg nick Hello!
[09:53] <posingaspopular>  do /msg
[09:53] <chx> generic question. how do i backlist / enforce modules ?
[09:53] <chx> kernel modules, that is.
[09:56]  * LiL-JoN finished installing gutsy hope all goes well on reboot
[09:57] <wilson> if someone here is running kubuntu 7.10 can you tell me what happens when you go to k -> system settings -> regional & language -> install new language
[09:57] <wilson> does it just load up adept ?
[09:57] <LiL-JoN> ill telly ou
[09:58] <l3dx> I've no other choice than using vista for at least until monday if anyone can't give me a way to undo the upgrade, or tell me how to start the upgrade "all over" form terminal. Can you live with that?! :P
[09:58] <wilson> because i removed it from mine and when i go to do that it says kdesudo could not be found ... but kdesudo is installed fine
[09:58] <LiL-JoN> wilson: its kdesu
[09:58] <flaccid> wilson, #ubuntu+1
[09:58] <posingaspopular> wilson: yea it works just fine.
[09:58] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: this is the channel for gutsy
[09:58] <wilson> ok weird, it's working now
[09:59] <wilson> it wasn't before, must have been the reboot
[09:59] <flaccid> it is?
[09:59] <flaccid> did it get released now?
[09:59] <LiL-JoN>  flaccidyeah its official now
[09:59] <prasanth> I am getting an error while doing version upgrade  from  gutsy beta (It says system is up tod ate, but Adept manager still shows Version upgrade :-)
[09:59] <flaccid> oh sorry my bad
[09:59] <wilson> is anyone having issues with ksystemlog being unstable ?
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> prasanth: that is a known issue
[09:59] <flaccid> i'm way behind...
[09:59] <E_mE> my OpenGL is still sying Mesa Project!! how can i get ATI working in Gutsy?
[09:59] <flaccid> E_mE, its on the forums
[10:00] <flaccid> and/or the wiki
[10:00] <prasanth> WaltzingAlong: Is there a way to fix it?
[10:00] <E_mE> flaccid: i tried the forum way.. still didnt work
[10:00] <E_mE> flaccid: i used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[10:00] <flaccid> yeah it can be a real pain E_mE . sometimes im unsuccessful too. maybe #ati can help
[10:00]  * ScorpKing is away for now...
[10:00] <flaccid> E_mE, there are several threads on the forum with your particular problem and how to solve it
[10:01] <E_mE> thanx flaccid
[10:01] <flaccid> and yeah you might have to try a few things to get it to work
[10:01] <flaccid> as in a few dif threads coz there are at least 3 on it
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> prasanth: not yet that i know of
[10:03] <E_mE> flaccid: another problem i had was the mouse cursor curropted on the second monitor ... any ideas or links?
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> prasanth: just do not click to upgrade to next release as you know you have gutsy (7.10) and 8.04 is far away yet
[10:04] <rand_acs> damn cd's update script doesn't work...
[10:04] <prasanth> WaltzingAlong: thanks :-)
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> rand_acs: the alternate-cd ?
[10:04] <rand_acs> yeah
[10:04] <rand_acs> 64
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> rand_acs: how far do you get?
[10:04] <flaccid> E_mE, i reckon see how you go once you fix the fglrx stuff. its possible its related. i aint herad about that problem on ati sorry
[10:05] <rand_acs> doesn't even start
[10:05] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: hey
[10:06] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: that had to be the easiest upgrade ive done EVER
[10:06] <rand_acs> WaltzingAlong: running the script with the run dialog gives no feedback, but running it from the live disk(with the execute shell scripts) gives one output line saying something like, "can't find /gutsy"
[10:06] <E_mE> flaccid: its fixed... but its using MESA GL
[10:06] <flaccid> thats not fixed..
[10:07] <rand_acs> WaltzingAlong: MD5 checks out
[10:07] <flaccid> you want it to say ati technologies
[10:07] <E_mE> ok...
[10:07]  * ScorpKing is back...
[10:07] <flaccid> mesa is software rendering of glx
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> rand_acs: did you get the dvd? otherwise update from cd is possible with the alternate not the desktop (live) cd
[10:07] <E_mE> flaccid: will the same process i use in feisty work in gutsy?
[10:07] <flaccid> you want the hardware on the v card to do that
[10:07] <posingaspopular> does anyone know when the gusty docs are going to be out? because kubuntu.org/documentation.php is missing both gutsy and feisty docs
[10:07] <flaccid> E_mE, most likely
[10:07] <rand_acs> WaltzingAlong: nope, the standard, 693Mb alternate cd
[10:07]  * E_mE tries it out for the second time
[10:08] <flaccid> posingaspopular, they canned that a long time ago unfortunately. i don't think there will be any
[10:08] <flaccid> at least not desktop guide
[10:08] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: so it's working?
[10:08] <rand_acs> WaltzingAlong: should it give some extra update option on startup?
[10:08] <posingaspopular> flaccid: ah yea, you're right. they stopped desktop guide. i remember being told that on the doc-team mailing list.
[10:08] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: hell yeah its so fast omg i love it
[10:08] <flaccid> i offered to fix, but the doc team are closed minded and ignorant and only want a topic based system ie. wiki plus in kde
[10:08] <posingaspopular> thanks
[10:08] <flaccid> posingaspopular, yeah i argued with them on that list about that
[10:09] <posingaspopular> nah i agree
[10:09] <posingaspopular> there SHOULD be a desktop guide
[10:09] <flaccid> if there was a definitive guide it would solve many problems, but they prefer duplication, redundancy, unofficial, untested documentation...
[10:10] <flaccid> and they won't budge on it. one day i might make my own guide but yeah
[10:10] <WaltzingAlong> rand_acs: the bottom of the http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading page tells how to upgrade from the alternate cd
[10:10] <posingaspopular> flaccid: yea i joined the doc team to try and fix that sort of stuff, but it doesn't seem to be that I can do anything
[10:10] <posingaspopular> so im going to see what happens during hardy
[10:11] <flaccid> lol you did the same thing as me pretty much. its not that democratic when you just have certain people say no and thats it...
[10:11] <flaccid> posingaspopular, um nothing will happen lol
[10:11] <posingaspopular> flaccid: i know some of big doc people though, we have lunch and stuff. and i'll see what happens
[10:11] <flaccid> like who, nixternal?
[10:11] <posingaspopular> flaccid: if you want to do a kubuntu desktop guide, like they used to have,i'll hep out
[10:12] <posingaspopular> ding ding ding. we hang out once a month or two
[10:12] <LiL-JoN> anybody wanna help a newbie get up and running
[10:12] <posingaspopular> and i had lunch with j-jesse once too
[10:12] <posingaspopular> LiL-JoN: shot
[10:12] <posingaspopular> shoot
[10:12] <flaccid> posingaspopular, thats what i proposed, he just said it was wrong and not a good idea basically. maybe you can talk some sense into him
[10:12] <mneisen> chakie_work: Still interested in the solution?
[10:12] <posingaspopular> i'll kick him in the head on sunday
[10:13] <posingaspopular> he's very opiniated
[10:13] <flaccid> 'we are moving to a topic based system' that um err nobody really knows about and is offline um so err
[10:13] <flaccid> yeah he doesn't fit into the open source model imho ah well
[10:13] <posingaspopular> (he's a republican if you cant tell)
[10:13] <LiL-JoN> posingaspopular: ill try donig it myself then if it doesnt work ill ask here for help
[10:13] <flaccid> not everyone is a yank you know..
[10:13] <posingaspopular> sure im up all night
[10:13] <flaccid> oh thats right, yanks think the world is the US... :p
[10:14] <posingaspopular> flaccid: yea that is more dev oriented. which the kubuntu guys fit into
[10:14] <posingaspopular> and CLI and stuff like that
[10:14] <flaccid> i wanted something like the freebsd handbook that covers all and is written in an appropriate style
[10:14] <flaccid> having no manual for something is ridiculous imho
[10:15] <posingaspopular> flaccid: yea i agree
[10:15] <posingaspopular> like Xubuntu didn't have ANY docs until feisty
[10:15] <flaccid> excellent :)
[10:15] <posingaspopular> i helped a bit with that too
[10:15] <posingaspopular> reading for grammar etc.
[10:15] <posingaspopular> it's ridicolous
[10:15] <Road_kill> hmm.... did anyone else's keyboard volume controls stop working in Gutsy?
[10:16] <Road_kill> it is detected, but it doesn't change the volume.
[10:16] <flaccid> yeah and in terms of kubuntu, its pretty bleak.... i offered it to the doc team, just like you and now thats why it doesn't exist because they said no
[10:17] <posingaspopular> Road_kill: yea i saw that bug reported elsewhere
[10:17] <Road_kill> awwwwww boourns
[10:18] <posingaspopular> !help
[10:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:18] <posingaspopular> !docs
[10:18] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[10:18] <flaccid> i hate hearing things like that
[10:19] <flaccid> not even a kubuntu specific entry for doco with ubotu..
[10:19] <misha> hello
[10:19] <posingaspopular> see even those docs are 7.04
[10:19] <misha> I need some help ugrading to gutsy
[10:19] <flaccid> yeah its a joke..
[10:19] <posingaspopular> misha: gnome or kde?
[10:19] <misha> kde
[10:19] <flaccid> commercial distro my ass :)
[10:20] <E_mE> how do you perform a kernel update?
[10:20] <misha> i ran the upload tool last night, and when I woke up it seems it just crashed
[10:20] <flaccid> E_mE, via adept or apt-get
[10:20] <misha> (I left it while it was downloading packages)
[10:20] <E_mE> flaccid: it says i have to "You have to recompile the kernel module after each kernel update"
[10:21] <flaccid> what says that?
[10:21] <misha> now i can see that all the packages have been downloaded, but not installed
[10:21] <flaccid> in respect to which kernel module?
[10:21] <E_mE> flaccid: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[10:21] <misha> and when I run the update tool, it just crashes
[10:21] <E_mE> flaccid: about 3/4 way down
[10:21] <flaccid> oh thats 3rd party guide...
[10:21] <Road_kill> that was a strange crash :S
[10:21]  * flaccid goes to look
[10:21] <misha> can I continue the upgrade myself (from the console)
[10:21] <posingaspopular> misha: sudo dpkg --config -a
[10:22] <flaccid> which mod are you talking about. if its nvidia then yeah
[10:22] <posingaspopular> that should get all the packages in line
[10:22] <E_mE> flaccid: ati
[10:22] <flaccid> kernel mods are compiled against the kernel version, so when you update the kernel, you need to recompile the mod
[10:22] <flaccid> well yeah you reinstall as its kernel based driver (blob)
[10:23] <E_mE> how just reboot ?!?!?!
[10:23] <flaccid> sudo reboot
[10:23] <misha> posingaspopular: that command reports errors
[10:23] <flaccid> or goto the menu
[10:23] <E_mE> thanx
[10:23] <flaccid> thats if you were asking how to reboot
[10:23] <posingaspopular> ah, thats why i got so many errors earlier
[10:23] <E_mE> no recompiling kernel
[10:24] <E_mE> it doesnt have a command how to do it though :/
[10:24] <flaccid> you don't need to recompile the kernel
[10:24] <flaccid> only the mod which comes from the restricted driver
[10:24] <misha> can i do a dist-upgrade from the console? will that help?
[10:24] <E_mE> flaccid: im confused if i need to do anything here! or just carry on with what the guide says
[10:24] <posingaspopular> misha: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:25] <E_mE> im going ahead and rebooting as it says
[10:25] <flaccid> E_mE, just do what the guide says.. it has the instructions. you are talking about compiling the module, not the kernel itself... this is done using module-assistant
[10:25] <jon_> can somebody help me make a nick name defualt in konversation
[10:25] <posingaspopular> you might want to apt-get upgrade before you dist-upgrade though. those two commands handle dependencies differently, iirc
[10:25] <Road_kill> what is the best audio device for KDE?
[10:25] <E_mE> flaccid: i apprisate your pasients :) thank you
[10:25] <flaccid> np y0
[10:25] <Road_kill> cause i get alot of "xine parameters" are busy
[10:25] <Road_kill> even though no music is playing
[10:26] <misha> posingaspopular: thanks
[10:26] <posingaspopular> Road_kill: amarok
[10:27] <rand_acs> btw, the cd's script bugs out on me
[10:27] <misha> does anyone know how the upgrade tool works tho?
[10:28] <Road_kill> um..... weird ass logging out happening
[10:28] <Road_kill> out of no where, i get loggedo ut
[10:28] <Road_kill> booo
[10:28] <flaccid> hmmm i guess gutsy looks like another buggy production release, as usual
[10:29] <rand_acs> it's complaining about DistUpgradeViewGtk and DistUpgradeViewKDE not found
[10:29] <flaccid> dang
[10:30] <Road_kill> hmm should have stayed with Fiesty
[10:30] <Road_kill> anyone else's KDE sluggish?
[10:30] <rand_acs> this is when I go: "sudo sh /cdrom/cdromupdate", the instructions on the update page just does nothing, I assume it's giving the same error
[10:30] <jon_> Road_kill: not at all mine is super quick no lag at all
[10:30] <Road_kill> hmm
[10:30] <Road_kill> maybe it is the XGL server that boots up initially
[10:31] <jon_> Road_kill: even when i drag windows it doesnt leave a trail like in feisty
[10:31] <rand_acs> I might do a reinstall, I've played around with this thing probably a little to much ;p
[10:31] <Road_kill> hmm
[10:31] <Road_kill> maybe it is just my comparison to compiz
[10:31] <Road_kill> which uses hardware acceleration
[10:32] <jon_> anybody want to help me install compiz fusion in a sec
[10:32] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled) by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[10:32] <jon_> WaltzingAlong: what would i do without you
[10:32] <Road_kill> jon_: I dunno whether it is worth it
[10:32] <E_mE> flaccid: im getting error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared obhject file: no such file or directory?!?
[10:32] <Road_kill> I currently tried it out
[10:33] <RytmenPinnen> is the ugrading tool supposed to take long to dl?
[10:33] <WaltzingAlong> RytmenPinnen: probably lots of files and the dist was just released so servers are likely busy
[10:33] <flaccid> E_mE, thats common/related as well. check forums/google. it could just be a missing symlink, i can't remember exactly
[10:33] <Road_kill> Rytmen: change the server you are using
[10:34] <RytmenPinnen> I'm on a finnish mirror atm
[10:34] <Road_kill> oh
[10:34] <Road_kill> then i dunno
[10:34] <E_mE> flaccid: also ATI driver is leaving traces around the screen :S
[10:34] <Road_kill> does anyone else have the "version upgrade" constantly in their adept manager?
[10:34] <Road_kill> actually brb
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> road_kill: known issue
[10:36] <Road_kill> ok sweet, finally everything is as it is suppose to be.
[10:36] <Road_kill> silly compiz-fusion
[10:36] <Road_kill> got to wait until it is more stable
[10:37] <E_mE> flaccid: fixed... thank you for ALL your help :)
[10:37] <LiL-JoN> anybody know how to mount a harddrive?
[10:37] <flaccid> E_mE, oh great. no worries mate
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> road_kill: known issue
[10:38] <flaccid> !fstab | LiL-JoN
[10:38] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: nothing popped up lol
[10:38] <Road_kill> Walt: Yup, figured it out hte hardway.
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> Road_kill: i am not sure how stable compiz-fusion will be with kde as focus is on kde4 which will include these types of effects
[10:38] <LiL-JoN> i have to edit the fstab file?
[10:38] <Road_kill> Walt: Sweet, I can't wait for KDE4
[10:40] <LiL-JoN> anybody know this problem
[10:40] <flaccid> damg
[10:40] <flaccid> its on the wiki
[10:41] <LiL-JoN> i right click on my hardrive to mount it and i get the error hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[10:41] <flaccid> oh not good
[10:43] <flaccid> check if nouser is in the options for that partition in fstab
[10:48] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: have a look here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-425085.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[10:49] <gerry_> salve a tutti
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> gerry_: buongiorno
[10:50] <iMann> (same here) http://ubuntu.etherkiller.de/ (Located in Munich, IPv6 and IPv4 connectivity)
[10:50] <gerry_> ciao
[10:50] <gerry_> ho una domanda da fare a qualcuno che abbia il tempo di rispondermi ...
[10:51] <gerry_> in primo luogo sono nel posto giusto? cioè qui posso fare domande o no? non uso irc quindi non lo so...
[10:51] <Road_kill> how do you use strigi?
[10:52] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: what?
[10:52] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: what in fstab
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> gerry_: /join #kubuntu-it per italiano
[10:52] <gerry_> what is strigi?
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> !info strigi
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> desktop search in kubuntu 7.10 is through strigi
[10:52] <Road_kill> !info strigi
[10:53] <Road_kill> i know that
[10:53] <Road_kill> but how do i use it
[10:53] <flaccid> have they fixed that yet, coz i've never had it working in dev release
[10:53] <gerry_> ok grazie mille
[10:53] <LiL-JoN> wheres fstab located?
[10:53] <flaccid> /etc
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: /etc/fstab
[10:54] <posingaspopular> at /etc/fstab ;p
[10:54] <WaltzingAlong> Road_kill: should be in the tray next to the clock on the panel. just click there, type something
[10:55] <LiL-JoN> ugh i always get this WHY? http://pastebin.com/m22564167
[10:55] <Road_kill> Walt: No tray over here
[10:56] <LiL-JoN> but it does open in kate
[10:57] <flaccid> LiL-JoN, change the ownership of the files in question to root
[10:57] <flaccid> but i'm thinking that you can't run kdesu from cli
[10:57] <flaccid> not sure why
[10:57] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: how can i make it so i own every file
[10:57] <flaccid> you might have to do sudo kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: not desired
[10:58] <LiL-JoN> ill try that
[10:58] <wilson> sudo -s
[10:58] <wilson> then you're the super user
[10:58] <QwertyM> How do I get AVI/MPG/WMV previews appear in Dolphin instead of just kaffeine icons :\
[10:58] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: otherwise sudo chown jon:jon *.* -R but do not do it
[10:58] <flaccid> LiL-JoN, using chown, but you don't wanna do that. your system will not work.
[10:58] <LiL-JoN> sudo: /etc/fstab: command not found
[10:58] <wilson> yeah you dont have to own the files, just change into the superuser with sudo -s
[10:58] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: need a program to edit it like vim or kate
[10:59] <LiL-JoN> ok
[10:59] <wilson> nano is easy for a new user
[10:59] <LiL-JoN> i still go those errors
[10:59] <LiL-JoN> got*
[10:59] <wilson> or yeah, kate
[10:59] <jovans> can everybody help me to get my microphone works on gutsy
[10:59] <flaccid> maybe its sudo "kdesu kate /etc/fstab" . but im not sure why its doing that. try going to alt + f2 and running kdesu kate /etc/fstab and make sure that root pass is set
[11:00] <se7en^Of^9> LiL-JoN: try sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:00] <flaccid> i think he wants gui text editor like kate
[11:00] <flaccid> LiL-JoN, is this gutsy ?
[11:00] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: yes
[11:00] <LiL-JoN> flaccid: but i got these errors in 7.04 too
[11:00] <se7en^Of^9> well ..........
[11:01] <flaccid> that could be the problem because i've never had that problem before doing that
[11:01] <flaccid> LiL-JoN, was it same install but
[11:01] <flaccid> you generally get those problems trying sudo with a gui program
[11:01]  * Jucato tries to scroll up to see the conversation
[11:01] <harald> anybody know how to solve the kinit can not find an image to resume problem at boot? it drops me in shell (after which startx works but that still is annoying :P )
[11:01] <flaccid> not kdesu with a gui program from cli
[11:02] <Jucato> oh...
[11:02] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: can you help me with mounting problems
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: kdesu to launch a gui program; sudo to launch a cli program    (both to obtain superuser-like rights)
[11:02] <Jucato> I can try... (although I doubt it.. :() )
[11:02] <chx> Kopete crashes when logging in to MSN with Gutsy. Anyone seen that too?
[11:02] <Jucato> known bug, fix is on the way
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> chx: yeah that has been addressed
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[11:03] <Jucato> thawed... hahah! I like that
[11:03] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: what can i put insides my fstab to make it mount my harddrive
[11:03] <Jucato> !fstab
[11:03] <WaltzingAlong> sure from frozen to ... unfrozen?
[11:03] <Jucato> is the bot not responsive?
[11:03] <Jucato> !ping
[11:03] <WaltzingAlong> think she is on break
[11:03] <chx> great. How can I enforce some kernel modules ? I need pcc_acpi and iwl3945 loaded, ipw3945 and video not loaded.
[11:04] <Jucato> !ping
[11:04] <Jucato> ubotwo: ping
[11:04] <LiL-JoN> anyways Jucato my harddrives in /dev/hdc1 how can i edit my fstab and add that in there
[11:04] <ubotwo> pong
[11:04] <Jucato> !fstab
[11:04] <ubotwo> pong
[11:04] <ubotu> LiL-JoN: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:04] <ubotwo> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:04] <Jucato> rawr! silly bots
[11:04] <Jucato> ubotwo: part #kubuntu
[11:05] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: if you want a GUI way to do it, you can also use System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disks & Filesystem
[11:05] <flaccid> did you check the nouser option...
[11:05] <flaccid> or add user option
[11:05] <LiL-JoN> idk what you mean by that im noobie
[11:05] <ubotu> Package strigi does not exist in gutsy
[11:05] <WaltzingAlong> chx: /etc/modules
[11:06] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:06] <ubotu> pong
[11:06] <flaccid> shows on the help page for fstab
[11:06] <chx> WaltzingAlong: nice. and where can i ask kernel not to load ipw3945 and video?
[11:06] <chx> ah!
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> chx: just add the module names to that list
[11:06] <chx>  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:06] <chx> is it?
[11:07] <WaltzingAlong> chx: blacklist should not load them, right
[11:07] <chx> good.
[11:07] <chx> I have no idea why my kernel loves the old 3945 wifi module but I do not love that... iwl is cooool.
[11:08] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: i did it the gui way and it worked perfect
[11:08] <rewolf> woohoo gutsy ftw
[11:10] <chx> I am so far not impressed with gutsy but we shall see what the next reboot brings...
[11:10] <WaltzingAlong> chx: alright
[11:11] <chx> not being able to set brightness is a huge blow and -- i guess htis is related -- after suspend the brigthness is at absolute minimum
[11:11] <chx> also, s2ram is... gone.
[11:11] <chx> just like that.
[11:11] <chx>  dpkg -L uswsusp|grep s2
[11:11] <chx> show s2disk and s2both
[11:11] <chx> where is s2ram??
[11:12] <chx> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=s2ram&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[11:12] <chx> nowhere?????
[11:13] <chx> why it has been removed...?
[11:14] <LiL-JoN> why do i have broken dependencies
[11:14] <WaltzingAlong> !info s2ram
[11:14] <ubotu> Package s2ram does not exist in gutsy
[11:14] <LiL-JoN> !info death
[11:14] <ubotu> Package death does not exist in gutsy
[11:14] <LiL-JoN> !info cancer
[11:14] <ubotu> Package cancer does not exist in gutsy
[11:14] <WaltzingAlong> chx: using fglrx or nvidia? i would guess that is to be expected
[11:14] <LiL-JoN> atleast we know it doesnt have cancer
[11:16] <chx> WaltzingAlong: no. Using i945GM.
[11:16] <chx> WaltzingAlong: I am running a Panasonic laptop (see above my need for pcc_acpi :) )
[11:16] <WaltzingAlong> :d
[11:17] <chx> seems https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/134238 it is gone.
[11:19] <mike> Synaptic works better than add/remove :)
[11:19] <Jucato> have you tried Adept Manager?
[11:19] <yogi> Moin zu sammen :)
[11:19] <LiL-JoN> how do i install flash?
[11:19] <posingaspopular> !flash
[11:19] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:19] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: you on Gutsy?
[11:20] <E_mE> has anyone encountered the problem with ATI and mouse cursor leaving trails on the screen??
[11:20] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: yes
[11:20] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:20] <LiL-JoN> ok
[11:20] <Jucato> that should take care of flash, java, mp3, etc
[11:20] <LiL-JoN> in adept?
[11:20] <Jucato> hi posingaspopular!
[11:20] <posingaspopular> hey Jucato
[11:20] <LiL-JoN> !hi
[11:20] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:21] <posingaspopular> what are you doing
[11:21] <Jucato> adept or apt-get
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> aptitude!
[11:21] <Jucato> trying to wake my brain up :)
[11:21] <mike> apt-get works well
[11:21] <RytmenPinnen> is it best to upgrade fomr the main servers? cause I just got an error: Failed to fetch http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/dists/feisty-seveas/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'mirror3.ubuntu.com'
[11:22] <posingaspopular> Jucato: im trying to shut my down. ie been up for .... 18 hours now.ive been doing calc 2 hw and trying to summarize Free Culture by Lawrence Lessig all day. and messing with Gutsy
[11:22] <Jucato> O.o
[11:22] <Jucato> lots of stuff...
[11:22] <posingaspopular> yup, being busy busy
[11:22] <posingaspopular> you know how that is though
[11:22] <Jucato> busy as a mouse :)
[11:22] <LiL-JoN> how long does the install usually take cause i pressed y and its not doing anything
[11:22] <Jucato> er.. wait.. that's freddy :)
[11:22] <posingaspopular> yea him too
[11:23] <Jucato> (the mouse part... speedy gonzales...)
[11:23] <posingaspopular> but i work and am trying to film a part for a skate video
[11:23] <posingaspopular> Jucato: that photo is hilarious! i have no idea where it came from either. Freddy thought I gave it to nixternal and he was po'ed for like 4 hours
[11:24] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[11:24] <LiL-JoN> what picture
[11:24] <LiL-JoN> i wanna see
[11:24] <Jucato> tsk tsk... it's a secret :P
[11:24] <posingaspopular> LiL-JoN: h/o i'll pull it up
[11:24] <LiL-JoN> posingaspopular: thanks
[11:24] <Jucato> it's still on nixternal's blog I think
[11:24] <posingaspopular> oh yea, you're right Jucato
[11:24] <posingaspopular> it's only for the super secret devs ;o
[11:25] <LiL-JoN> im not one of those lol
[11:25] <posingaspopular> http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.09.23/speedy-gonzales/
[11:25] <posingaspopular> yea neither is Jucato
[11:25] <posingaspopular> he's posing
[11:25] <WaltzingAlong> RytmenPinnen: the upgrade tool (described in the upgrade instructions) should take care of it
[11:25] <Jucato> as popular hahaha
[11:25] <LiL-JoN> hahaha
[11:25] <mike> What libs I need to play dvd's?
[11:25] <posingaspopular> LiL-JoN: thats my brother
[11:25] <Jucato> !dvd | mike
[11:26] <Jucato> rawr!! c'mon ubotu! dont fail me now!
[11:26] <LiL-JoN> posingaspopular: thats hilarious lol
[11:26] <mike> lol
[11:26] <LiL-JoN> !dvd
[11:26] <LiL-JoN> !ping
[11:26] <mike> ! mp3
[11:26] <RytmenPinnen> it crashed during "preparing the upgrade" I've switched to the main servers now and trying again
[11:26] <mike> !mp3
[11:26] <posingaspopular> Jucato: there was a post on the planet a while back, a month or two i think. it was an app or script that a guy wrote for bills and sharing rent and stuff with his roomate. you know what im talking about?
[11:26] <Jucato> mike: it's lagging
[11:26] <mike> ok
[11:27] <Jucato> mike: <ubotwo> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:27] <RytmenPinnen> yay, 196bps :P
[11:28] <LiL-JoN> RytmenPinnen: it started downloading
[11:28] <Jucato> posingaspopular: I'm not sure...
[11:28] <RytmenPinnen> goody, it passed the first part, lets so how it goes now
[11:28] <posingaspopular> i thought it might be the deb package of the day, but it asn't
[11:29] <Jucato> posingaspopular: BillReminder?
[11:29] <kuil> hi all.. I have some problems starting qt-designer using version 7.10..  it complains about: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[11:29] <kuil> anybody else here experienced this?
[11:30] <posingaspopular> yea that sounds about right
[11:30] <LiL-JoN> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ck8bM97Hh3I i gotta learn how to do this
[11:30] <RytmenPinnen> crapps, same error :(
[11:30] <RytmenPinnen> failed to fetch a bunch of sourves
[11:30] <kuil> RytmenPinnen: was that for me?
[11:31] <RytmenPinnen> nope
[11:31] <kuil> k.. sorry
[11:31] <RytmenPinnen> I'm having trouble updating :)
[11:31] <posingaspopular> OgMacel
[11:31] <kuil> ah..
[11:31] <LiL-JoN> !hi | all
[11:31] <kuil> updating isn't a problem here... but starting some programs is...
[11:31] <LiL-JoN> !hi
[11:31] <kuil> well.. first a break... maybe later
[11:31] <kuil> thx
[11:31] <nexano> hi, ive been trying for quite some time now, googled, read the forums etc, i just cant get my geforce 7800 card to work, as soon as i install the drivers for it and reboot, the screen goes black at xserver login
[11:32] <LiL-JoN> does ubotu work anymore
[11:32] <nexano> anyone got any suggestions on what to do?
[11:32] <Jucato> !ping
[11:32] <Jucato> hm...
[11:32] <l3dx> I just did a "apt-get dist-upgrade" after a failed "normal" upgrade..but now I'm not able to get into X..could anyone please tell me how to get nvidia drivers up and running again? This is irssi in console :\
[11:32] <Jucato> ubotwo: ping
[11:32] <Jucato> rawr!!
[11:32] <LiL-JoN> nexano: i have a idea to help yoiu
[11:32] <nexano> LiL-JoN: please be my savior ;(
[11:33] <ubuntu_> Jucato: be strong! you have to help them all :)
[11:33] <WaltzingAlong> nexano: then drop to a vterminal with ctrl+alt+f1, log in, check the X log file with   less /var/log/Xorg.0.log    scroll, look for (EE) errors
[11:33] <ubotwo> pong
[11:33] <ubotwo> pong
[11:33] <Jucato> oh thre
[11:34] <nexano> WaltzingAlong: well im on a fresh install of kubuntu now so its pretty clean :p
[11:34] <LiL-JoN> nexano: write this command down and go into recovery mode and run it "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" then when you get to the drivers screen pick "vesa"
[11:34] <Jucato> LiL-JoN, nexano: or you can use "nv"
[11:34] <Phlosten> anyone else having crash issues with kopete?
[11:34] <nexano> LiL-JoN: ive tried that, same problem still
[11:34] <nexano> Jucato: nv doesnt work either :/
[11:35] <Jucato> Phlosten: <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[11:35] <LiL-JoN> dang im assuming you have 2 boxes
[11:35] <Jucato> nexano: ok in that case, "vesa"
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[11:35] <Phlosten> Jucato: cheers
[11:35] <nexano> got a laptop and normal one LiL-JoN yeah
[11:36] <nexano> Jucato: sure vesa works, but i kinda wanted to actually be able to use my video card properly :/
[11:36] <Jucato> yeah at least now you can browse and search for the answer right? :)
[11:36] <LiL-JoN> nexano: once you use vesa we can help you further
[11:36] <nexano> Jucato: like ive been doing the past few hours yeah :P
[11:36] <nexano> this is a last resort
[11:36] <posingaspopular> Jucato: someone's busy ;p i need to kick the tooth fairy in the head. night
[11:36] <Jucato> g'night posingaspopular!
[11:37] <Jucato> nexano: I'm not sure why "nv" wouldn't work though
[11:37] <LiL-JoN> !bye
[11:37] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:37] <Jucato> it's the free nvidia driver
[11:37] <idefixx> I just updated and now when i run midnight commander (and other curses like stuff) in konsole its just sluggish. what is that?
[11:37] <posingaspopular> i'll try to come into the chands more for the next month or two until open week and all the bugs/ help gets sorted
[11:37] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: the ati driver didnt work for me
[11:37] <nexano> LiL-JoN: im on vesa right now, havent installed the nvidia drivers yet
[11:37] <posingaspopular> holler at cha boy LiL-JoN
[11:37] <idefixx> oh and when I enable the beryl window manager it goes away...
[11:38] <LiL-JoN> nexano: install restrice drivers
[11:38] <Jucato> nexano: when you installed the nvidia drivers (nvidia-glx-new?) did you also install linux-restricted-modules-generic?
[11:38] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i auto-start compiz every time i boot ?
[11:38] <Jucato> nexano: if you're on gutsy btw, you can just use the Restricted Drivers manager
[11:38] <nexano> Jucato: i didnt install linux-restricted-modules-generic no
[11:38] <Jucato> that would be the problem
[11:38] <Jucato> (although I can't still understand why"nv" wouldn't work)
[11:39] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: the free ati drivers didnt work for me
[11:39] <idefixx> ... alright. how do i disable xgl again?
[11:39] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: yeah. but that's ATI. no surprise there :P
[11:40] <LiL-JoN> nexano: run "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[11:40] <nexano> Jucato: im on gutsy aye, but restricted drivers also gave me the black screen
[11:40] <LiL-JoN> !hi | ScorpKing
[11:40] <ubotwo> ScorpKing: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:40] <ScorpKing> hiya!
[11:40] <LiL-JoN> lol
[11:40] <LiL-JoN> nexano: try them again
[11:41] <nexano> linux-restricted-modules-generic is already the newest version.
[11:41] <Jucato> hm...
[11:41] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: have any idea what his problem is
[11:41] <Jucato> nexano: which nvidia package did you install?
[11:42] <nexano> none right now
[11:42] <nexano> but ive tried the restrocted, nvidia-glx-new and envy
[11:42] <Jucato> so you haven't tested yet? :)
[11:42] <Hamra> i think the best way to install nvidia drivers is to install "envy" and let envy do the rest of the work
[11:42] <posingaspopular> gah! bug! must... squash
[11:42] <Jucato> well you need nvidia-glx + linux-restricted-modules-generic
[11:42] <Jucato> !envy
[11:43] <ubotwo> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[11:43] <nexano> havent tested what? :p
[11:43] <nexano> kinda got lost in the wall of text
[11:43] <Jucato> nexano: tested using nvidia-glx (or nvidia-glx-new) but making sure the linux-restricted-modules-generic is installed
[11:43] <nexano> well my terminal says linux-restricted-modules-generic is installed
[11:44] <nexano> newest version
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> best to avoid !envy and !automatix. it may work for you but it may not and when not, support is not provided here
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> (for envy or automatix)
[11:44] <zorglu_> q. is there a way to prevent the logout popup window from having the 'weird fading effect' in the background ?
[11:44] <chx> so . i rebooted, and brightness control still does not work. how could I debug this?
[11:44] <Jucato> nexano: ok, so now try to install nvidia-glx (or nvidia-glx-new, depending on your card)
[11:44] <nexano> allright sec
[11:44] <Jucato> zorglu_: yes. can you hold on while I get the link
[11:45] <zorglu_> Jucato: thanks.
[11:45] <zorglu_> Jucato: keep the strengh :) my admiration to you in this release week :)
[11:45] <nexano> Jucato: 7800 = new?
[11:45] <Jucato> !nvidia
[11:45] <ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:45] <Jucato> nexano: check the list ^^^
[11:45] <Jucato> zorglu_: thanks
[11:46] <LiL-JoN> Jucato does work hard on the worst week ever
[11:46] <Jucato> hahah I wasn't here yesterday much though
[11:47] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: where you go?
[11:47] <Jucato> stdin had to take most of the work
[11:47] <ScorpKing> stupid dailup connection. :P
[11:47] <LiL-JoN> dang that sucks
[11:47] <idefixx> why is konsole slow like i was using a 14.4er modem and gnome-terminal works with curses interfaces?
[11:48] <Jucato> zorglu_: um.. hold on for a bit more? I found the file to edit, but forgot the values to put there
[11:48] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok i dont need it now. i will come back in one or 2 week :)
[11:48] <zorglu_> Jucato: keep on the good work. always amazed by how helpfull you stay after all this time :)
[11:48] <Jucato> rawr! I need to find it anyway
[11:49] <nexano> Jucato: ok so i installed the driver
[11:50] <Jucato> nexano: then run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[11:50] <Jucato> and take note of the filename of the backup copy it made of xorg.conf
[11:51] <lokpest> hi
[11:51] <nexano> allright, now what? :P
[11:51] <lokpest> is there a Kubuntu.org bleeding edge KDE repro for gutsy?
[11:51] <Jucato> nexano: logout and restart X. if you have problems, use vesa again
[11:51] <lokpest> can only find fesity ones
[11:52] <Jucato> lokpest: gutsy has KDE 3.5.8
[11:52] <ubotu> mike: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:52] <lokpest> yeah
[11:52] <ubotu> pong
[11:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:52] <ubotu> all: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bye - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <ubotu> ScorpKing: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:52] <lokpest> so theres no repro yet
[11:52] <Jucato> lokpest: repo for what?
[11:53] <rami> i need help with updating to 7.10
[11:53] <WaltzingAlong> rami: from 7.04? Upgrade instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[11:53] <lokpest> Jucato: like deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest feisty main but for gutsy
[11:53] <Jucato> lokpest: there's no repo for KDE 3.5.8 in gutsy because it's installed by default!
[11:54] <lokpest> ok :)
[11:54] <Jucato> lokpest: you don't need that for gutsy
[11:54] <Jucato> ok?
[11:54] <lokpest> ok :)
[11:54] <lokpest> but...
[11:54] <Jucato> but?
[11:54] <rami> trying
[11:55] <lokpest> If some new KDE comes out, there will be a repro? ;)
[11:55] <lokpest> :-)
[11:55] <Jucato> rami: have you followed the instructions in the upgrade page?
[11:55] <rami> yes
[11:55] <Jucato> lokpest: *IF*... yes
[11:55] <rami> full upgrade!
[11:55] <Jucato> don't expect 3.5.9 any time soon
[11:56] <lokpest> so btw
[11:56] <Jucato> yes?
[11:56] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: its going to be kde4
[11:56] <rami> now, lets wait and i hope my router wont be faulty....
[11:56] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: hm.. well... we'll see
[11:56] <Jucato> :)
[11:56] <LiL-JoN> i cant wait until it does come out
[11:56] <Jucato> anything else?
[11:56] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: you'll have to :)
[11:56] <lokpest> the KDE contolcenter tells me a lot of stuff :) what kernel im using etc
[11:57] <rami> will the KDE version of 7.04 have th same features as the GNOME version?
[11:57] <lokpest> but not what release of dist?
[11:57] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: lol i wanna make my kde look sexy but i dont know how
[11:57] <Jucato> !changethemes | LiL-JoN
[11:57] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: are you good at that
[11:57] <ubotwo> LiL-JoN: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[11:57] <Jucato> last link ^^^
[11:57] <LiL-JoN> ok
[11:57] <Jucato> if you have problems, I'll be back in an hour
[11:57] <Nexa|LTOP> :/
[11:58] <Nexa|LTOP> still black screen
[11:58] <Jucato> :(
[11:58]  * Jucato has to go
[11:58]  * Nexa|LTOP waves
[11:58] <ubotu> LiL-JoN: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[11:58] <Yammeh> !compiz
[11:58] <ubotwo> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[11:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[12:04] <dystopianray> what do people think of dolphin in gutsy?
[12:04] <arkygeek> hi everyone :)
[12:05] <arkygeek> well, i am in the process of upgrading from ff to gutsy ... on my 24" iMac... at the install part of the process now... It only took about 20 minutes to download all the packages - i was shocked...
[12:05] <LiL-JoN> dystopianray: its great
[12:05] <dystopianray> LiL-JoN: in what way?
[12:05] <arkygeek> It looks like it is going to take about an hour to install the pkgs though
[12:05] <LiL-JoN> easy to work with
[12:06] <LiL-JoN> nice looking
[12:06] <LiL-JoN> dystopianray: youll see when you install gutsy
[12:06] <yeo_> arkygeek, you have new iMac or old white type?
[12:06] <dystopianray> LiL-JoN: I have installed gutsy
[12:06] <arkygeek> both - but am installing it on the 'old' one
[12:07] <arkygeek> yeo_: the nvidia should be ok i think hey?
[12:07] <Yammeh> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with compiz, I started it and my title bars have gone, I've ran the command from troubleshooting "sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24", and I'm getting errors unrecognized options
[12:07] <yeo_> yeah, nvidia provide good driver support for linux
[12:07] <yeo_> why do you want to run linux...when you have osx! ;)
[12:07] <arkygeek> yeo_: i am about 50% more productive in linux
[12:08] <yeo_> fair enough. you dev?
[12:08] <LiL-JoN> dystopianray: then what do you think of dolphin
[12:08] <arkygeek> yeo_: however, when i want to work with pictures, movies, web, etc.... guess where i go :P
[12:08] <yeo_> the only place
[12:08] <arkygeek> yeo_: yeah, pretty green still, but yeah...
[12:08] <dystopianray> LiL-JoN: I'm not sure if I like it, it's a huge change to a fundamental part of kde
[12:08] <yeo_> my powerbook is broke at the moment. so im on my pc
[12:09] <yeo_> i think dolphin is great
[12:09] <dystopianray> dolphin doesn't have tree mode
[12:09] <LiL-JoN> yeah i liked the konquerer but this is way better
[12:09] <dystopianray> and dolphin doesn't support ioslaves
[12:09] <yeo_> arkygeek, how good is the hardware support from ubuntu for intel macs? i know it was kinda sucky with some things on PPC
[12:09] <arkygeek> yeo_: people get so confused when they see my iMac lol... i have baghira installed, kiba-dock, and beryl with an osx theme... hehe
[12:10] <yeo_> heh
[12:10] <arkygeek> EVERYTHING works on this machinne.  even the remote.  it was dead easy to set up
[12:10] <yeo_> sweet
[12:10] <yeo_> when i get an intel mac ill be running VMware fusion
[12:10] <arkygeek> yeo_: i just hope Gutsy works as well... (it is my production box, so I am kinda taking a risk...)
[12:10] <yeo_> hmm
[12:10] <mmartin> is anyone else experiencing problems with kopete (specifically with msn)?
[12:11] <yeo_> mmartin, yes. there is a fix for it
[12:11] <dystopianray> mmartin: it segfaults with msn there is a fix though
[12:11] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: run the live cd and see if everything works
[12:11] <mmartin> theres a fix *already*? wow they work fast
[12:11] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: heh - too late... I am mostly through the upgrade
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> mmartin: sure
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[12:11] <dystopianray> mmartin: an unofficial deb from a link in a bug report
[12:11] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: sucks if it doesnt work cant you just reinstall feisty
[12:12] <dystopianray> WaltzingAlong: when will they be thawed?
[12:12] <mmartin> thanks :D
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> dystopianray: i do not know how long the wait is
[12:12] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: well, in theory you can set apt to allow downgrades, but I'm not so sure it is a good idea.  one question though.... is there a kernel update?
[12:12] <arkygeek> i think i am 2.6.20
[12:12] <yeo_> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:12] <LiL-JoN> yes
[12:12] <arkygeek> oh boy
[12:13] <LiL-JoN> wait maybe not arkygeek but there was for me
[12:13] <arkygeek> 2.6.20-16-generic
[12:13] <arkygeek> thats me
[12:13] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: what does uname -r   give you?
[12:14] <dystopianray> has anyone tried virtualbox in gutsy? apparently it has problems with the tickless kernel?
[12:14] <arkygeek> lol   libsexy2 ?????  :-)   hehe
[12:14] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: 2.6.22-14-generic
[12:14] <arkygeek> oh boy......
[12:14] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: kernel updates always scare me
[12:14] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: why?
[12:14] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: because they cause problems...
[12:15] <stupidgirl> hi everyone, I have installed gutsy and in adept, I enabled teh universe n multiverse repos and when I go to reload, adept gets stuck on "Waiting for Headers (40%)" and doesnt move, still the same after rebooting, and changing servers etc, anyone know what might be causing this
[12:15] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: dont worry
[12:15] <arkygeek> LiL-JoN: especially if you have to compile your sound drivers against the kernel source and stuff....
[12:15] <arkygeek> (like i did)
[12:15] <arkygeek> but, mayeb it will work
[12:15]  * arkygeek remains optimistic
[12:15] <WaltzingAlong> stupidgirl: lots of people still downloading?
[12:16] <LiL-JoN> arkygeek: my ati card and my sound card (i forget what it is) always has problems installin but gutsy installed no problem everythign worked so you should have no prob
[12:17] <stupidgirl> WaltzingAlong:  i've tried different servers n stuff, I tried a few hours ago and I'm trying again now, surely if ewere only due to lots of ppl downloading, it would just be reallly slow, not keep stalling at 40% constantly
[12:17] <mmartin> well my msn now works. thanks for your help
[12:17] <WaltzingAlong> stupidgirl: another route is to get on the torrent for the dvd (or alternate cd) then upgrade from the iso
[12:18] <stupidgirl> WaltzingAlong: i have the gutsy cd, dowloaded it last night as soon as it came out, I'm just trying to get teh extra software stuff from repos
[12:18] <WaltzingAlong> stupidgirl: oh so you are already on gutsy. seems to be timing out while grabbing off of one server
[12:19] <WaltzingAlong> could be a router issue for all we know (thus far)
[12:19] <stupidgirl> WaltzingAlong: yah ok I tried different servers n stuff, o wellz.
[12:19] <arkygeek> is there a download tracker somewhere?  it would be interesting to know how many times gutsy has been downloaded since it was released
[12:21] <robinl> Hi, how do i remove all the kubuntu settings and stuffs like applications, and then configure the media codecs in GNOME?\
[12:22] <LiL-JoN> robinl: go to #ubuntu
[12:22] <wilson> what are you actually trying to do robinl ?
[12:24] <robinl> wilson: switching to gnome
[12:25] <wilson> apt-get install gnome
[12:25] <wilson> choose gnome as your session on bootup
[12:25] <Yammeh> Hey, I'm having some trouble with compiz, I've rebooted my pc and now the graphical desktop won't load, how can I disable compiz through the cmd prompt?
[12:26]  * wilson shrugs
[12:27] <wilson> you didn't install kde4 stuff did you yammeh ?
[12:27] <robinl> wilson: yeah but the menu's in gnome are filled up with KDE apps
[12:27] <Yammeh> Not afaik, just a standard installation of gutsy
[12:28] <Yammeh> And then I followed the directions on the link in !compiz
[12:28] <randacs_> has anyone installed the nvidia kernel on a fresh install of gutsy?
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: how far do you get? the graphical log in manager?
[12:29] <randacs_> nvidia kernal deb*
[12:29] <wilson> yammeh, edit the compiz stuff out of ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrrc
[12:29] <Yammeh> When it boots up all I see is a flashing "_", doesn't get any further, but I can use the other prompts (alt+f2 etc)
[12:29] <ksivaji> is there any safe way to upgrade from feisty to guitsy
[12:29] <kuil> thx/wc
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> ksivaji:
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> yes
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[12:29] <zucco> hi, what is the md5sum for kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso ?
[12:30] <crazy_bus> I installed a core2duo with intel g965 graphics card.  But it seems to be randomly freezing when using firefox and blender3d.  The numlock and capslock lights flash and the mouse stops moving.  Other times the screen goes back with only the mouse remaining.  ctrl+alt+F1 does nothing.  What to do?
[12:30] <zucco> I didn't found anywhere
[12:30] <robinl> wilson: yeah but the menu's in gnome are filled up with KDE apps
[12:31] <WaltzingAlong> robinl: of course
[12:31] <nicolai_> zucco: http://releases.ubuntu.com.ba/kubuntu/gutsy/MD5SUMS
[12:31] <wilson> you can get rid of kde i guess by doing apt-get remove kde
[12:31] <wilson> but other than that you'll have to remove each app you see on the menu
[12:31] <WaltzingAlong> zucco: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/MD5SUMS
[12:31] <werner> guten tag
[12:31] <zucco> thank you
[12:31] <robinl> wilson: hmm
[12:31] <wilson> i dunno why you would but, kde has the best apps, like k3b
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> guten. wie geht's
[12:32] <robinl> wilson: yeah, i guess i'll be keeping some apps
[12:32] <nicolai_> zucco: I believe it should be the last of the four md5sums
[12:32] <crazy_bus> will gutsy stop the core2duo and intel graphics freezing?
[12:32] <robinl> i'm switching to gnome mainly because ubuntu supports it more
[12:32] <_luke_> Hey - I seem to not get the option to do an in-place upgrade to Kubuntu 7.10 in adept?
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade _luke_
[12:32] <_luke_> My system is completely up-to-date, but the version upgrade button doesn't appear
[12:32] <WaltzingAlong> _luke_: ^^ read my post - probably need software-properties-kde
[12:33] <_luke_> WaltzingAlong: thanks I'll give it a try
[12:33] <DexterF> so - is upgrading to gutsy mostly smooth or have people reported unusual problems?
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> _luke_: which version do you have now? feisty (7.04)?   cat /etc/lsb-release                   also when following the instructions, be sure to use the quotes like in the instructions
[12:34] <robinl> wilson: i'm switching to gnome mainly because ubuntu supports it more. I know i prefer KDE though
[12:34] <robinl> it also has much better support for desktop effects
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> DexterF: two issues: need to follow instructions (completely) and instructions seem to infer that everyone has already installed software-properties-kde
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> robinl: compiz-fusion was made for gnome and less work has been focused with that on kde because kde4 will include already similar effects
[12:35] <DexterF> WaltzingAlong: um, *which* instructions?Ä I intended to give adept a try
[12:35] <wilson> that's cool, robinl, good luck. i know i prefer some gnome apps, like synaptic is a better package management app over adept, adept annoys me
[12:35] <sam_> robinl: know how u feel...
[12:35] <crazy_bus> how long should the gutsy install be on the "Scanning the mirror option"  It's been stuck on it for around 20 minutes so far
[12:35] <robinl> wilson: yeah, adept crashes on me all the time, and is clumsy :P
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> DexterF: um the ones in the topic?
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[12:35] <_luke_> WaltzingAlong: 7.04 - seems I didn't have "Pre-release updates" selected (I  don't think that was mentioned when I tried last night)... giving it another go now
[12:36] <Assid> heya
[12:36] <Assid> err
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> _luke_: in one of jriddell's pictures it shows prerelease updates is checked (and needs to be checked)
[12:36] <sam_> robinl: i prefer KDE too, but am shocked how many people support Gnome.. and Ubuntu.. its almost like Kubuntu doesnt exist the way Ubuntu keep popup on the web
[12:36] <Assid> whats the command thats run on start up to show the battery meter?
[12:36] <crazy_bus> strange.  As soon as I posted that it started working :)
[12:36] <sam_> news etc
[12:36] <Assid> i got rid of it.. and now i want it back
[12:37] <_luke_> WaltzingAlong: ok trying now
[12:37] <wilson> i dunno why they went with dolphin, i prefer konq
[12:37] <Assid> ?
[12:37] <WaltzingAlong> Assid: guidance-power-manager?
[12:37] <dystopianray> wilson: i also prefer konq
[12:37] <robinl> sam_: yeah so i get the feeling i am kinda forced to use Ubuntu
[12:37] <WaltzingAlong> wilson: you can use konqueror in place of dolphin. right mouse click a folder, select open with, select konqueror and click remember this app
[12:38] <wilson> yeah i know WaltzingAlong konq is really good in 7.10
[12:38] <robinl> sam_: and it's getting better and better all the time, though kde 4 will be a blast i think
[12:38] <wilson> it's fast, it's got tabs, it seems to be able to browse to most sites without problems
[12:38] <Assid> thanks WaltzingAlong
[12:38] <sam_> robinl: sad really.. and KDE is way more powerful...
[12:38] <robinl> sam_: hmm, yeah
[12:39] <sam_> robinl: true dat! can't wait 4 KDE4
[12:39] <yeo_> konq is much improved in gutsy?
[12:39] <robinl> sam_: although i know the first final release of KDE 4 isn't going to be stable
[12:39] <robinl> at least, i think so
[12:39] <sam_> yeo_: whats mostly improved in Konqui?
[12:39] <wilson> i dunno, i havent bothered installing firefox
[12:39] <Assid> WaltzingAlong: for some strange reason it doesnt go to the task bar.. its sitting on top left corner
[12:39] <sam_> stability.. take time...
[12:40] <sam_> robinl: ..will probably stabilize after 4.1...
[12:40] <stupidgirl> how 2 uninstall things from console
[12:40] <stupidgirl> and reinstall
[12:40] <stupidgirl> i think adept is screwed up or somethin
[12:40] <intex> I've just formatted my computer and then installed Gutsy Gibbon 7.10, and still it gives me the "Full Upgrade"-button in adept manager. Then, when updating my system, it suddenly says it's up-to-date, and cancels the update. Why is this? My system should be up-to-date, when it's the newest distro!
[12:40] <yeo_> stupidgirl, sudo apt-get remove <package> && sudo apt-get install <package>
[12:41] <WaltzingAlong> stupidgirl: sudo aptitude       gives an ncurses interface
[12:41] <robinl> sam_: but the gnome developers are lazy to keep up with KDE 4
[12:41] <stupidgirl> oook thnx yeo_
[12:41] <yeo_> np
[12:41] <stupidgirl> thnx WaltzingAlong
[12:41] <wilson> i tried giving the kde4 stuff a go, it hanged on load up. I don't recommend it if anyone is thinking of trying it
[12:41] <ksivaji> please someone tell me whether 7.10 is better than 7.04
[12:41] <WaltzingAlong> stupidgirl: or sudo aptitude purge <package>    or sudo aptitude install <package>
[12:41] <yeo_> a good idea would be to do include the clean command. so that the package is downloaded again and not installed from the local copy
[12:41] <yeo_> so...
[12:41] <yeo_> stupidgirl, sudo apt-get remove <package> && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install <package>
[12:42] <stupidgirl> alrighty thanks 8-}
[12:42] <yeo_> nw
[12:42] <sam_> robinl: true... but look how Dell are poshing ubuntu, look at howtoforge.. and all the other sites...
[12:42] <robinl> sam_: yeah, i don't get it either. but i think it's a better choice to go with ubuntu, because it's got much more support
[12:42] <sam_> robinl: am tired of KDE been treated as a second rate citizen!
[12:43] <WaltzingAlong> would make more sense to see ubuntuG and ubuntuK or something the like so they could all be called common base ubuntu but with different frontends
[12:43] <WaltzingAlong> sam_: perhaps you could find a kde centric distro?
[12:43] <randacs_> yeah KDE is so much better than Gnome
[12:43] <yeo_> GNOME is for manic depressants
[12:43] <sam_> robinl: makes sence for uses.. but im also a coder.. ant prefer KDE/Qt so would be sad for me to deploy ubuntu Desktop, when i develop 4 and in Kubuntu
[12:44] <yeo_> QT roxx
[12:44] <randacs_> indeed :D
[12:44] <sam_> WaltzingAlong: will probably switch to Suse or Mandriva
[12:44] <Blake812> Hi to everyone
[12:44] <randacs_> best framework I've worked with
[12:44] <robinl> sam_: hmm ,yeah, well, luckily i don't have that problem, as i just use my computer for normal stuff :) so it doesn't really matter what i choose, and although i prefer kde, gnome's got the most support and development, like ubuntu
[12:44] <Blake812> I've a problem with Kubuntu
[12:44] <sam_> yup! Qt/KDELibs r the BEST!
[12:45] <Assid> man loading compiz at startup juyst makes this machine go mad
[12:45] <yeo_> kde has the best apps.
[12:45] <yeo_> Assid, i think thats normal...if you mean flickering screen/desktop and some pauses
[12:45] <randacs_> I'm hoping installing nvidia-glx out of adept will actually work
[12:45] <sam_> robinl: hey! enjoy... hopefully here from you later - after the switch.. maby a 30days with ubuntu article!
[12:46] <ksivaji> Blake812 what problem ?
How can I use my soundcard Crystal CS4236?
[12:46] <robinl> sam_: wha?
[12:46] <Assid> yeo_: nah..  the apps dont go to the task bar..  emerald makes things worse. some other isuse here and there
[12:46] <wilson> ktorrent is great , it's best torrent app on any platform if u ask me hehe
[12:46] <sam_> yeo_: true but sadly look at Evolution is more promoted that Kontact.. and i can see why...
[12:46] <dystopianray> excellent it's possible to make konqueror the default file browser
 Sorry for my English, but I'm from Italy
[12:47] <Assid> yeo_: maybe i should do a fresh install too
[12:47] <sam_> robinl: ya.. if u do switch.. let us know hw it goes.. my hope is u'll come back.. esp.. when KDE4 comes..
[12:47] <wilson> yeah, evolution is pretty good
[12:48] <wilson> if sylpheed at html support i would use that over evolution
[12:48] <ksivaji> Blake812  sorry
[12:48] <robinl> sam_: i already switched, as i created a new user (because gnome didn't start) and moved my files there, so kde won't work now anyways
[12:48] <wilson> at=had
[12:48] <sam_> ive used ubuntu sometimes.. but only on Servers.. desktops i find it cripling and then later switch back to KDE
[12:48] <Yammeh> wilson: that file you asked me to remove compiz from didn't exist apparently (|/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrrc)
[12:48] <yeo_> Assid, i dont know. no guarantee itd fix anything. but if its no inconvenience
[12:48] <dystopianray> ah I have wonderful konqueror back
[12:48] <Assid> kde4 still very very buggy ?
[12:48] <yeo_> i use icewm when im dev
[12:48] <dystopianray> asimon_: that's right
[12:49] <yeo_> and kde with compiz when im showing off/playing :)
[12:49] <dystopianray> Assid: sorry that was for you, kde4 is still buggy
[12:49] <dystopianray> asimon_: sorry wrong person
[12:49] <wilson> [your home directory]/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[12:49] <Yammeh> That's what I tried, and it wasn't there apparently
[12:49] <Assid> very buggy? or is it just buggy here and there
[12:49] <Yammeh> It said no file or folder found
[12:50] <sam_> robinl: hey! enjoy... hopefully here from you later - after the switch.. maby a 30days with ubuntu article!
[12:50] <Blake812> My soundcard doesn't work with Kubuntu !!!
[12:50] <letalis> im a kde man myself sam_ but right now im test driving gnome just to see if i like it :)
[12:50] <wilson> ls ~/.kde/share/config/ksm*      try that
[12:50] <dystopianray> Assid: try it out, i haven't used the latest beta
[12:51] <ck_42> Is there a way to do the update via CLI?
[12:51] <Yammeh> Well I'm in livecd at the minute, so I'll have to reboot and try, bbs
[12:51] <Blake812> It's CRYSTAL CS4236 (ISA)
[12:51] <sam_> letalis i must say.. some of the things are more polished in ubuntu for gnome than 4 kde.. and you'll probably like it...
[12:51] <wilson> ouch, ISA ?
[12:51] <RytmenPinnen> still getting errors when updating
[12:51] <ScorpKing> how can i download the source of the kubuntu-artwork-usplash package?
[12:51] <letalis> sam i remember the first iterations of gnome.
[12:52]  * letalis shudders
[12:52] <sam_> just like im also growing to like OSX ever since i got a macbook.. and what to port/clone some apps to KDE
[12:52] <wilson> didn't even linus say he prefers kde over gnome =)
[12:52] <letalis> honestly the biggest thing that keeps me going back to a linux desktop is konqueror.
[12:52] <letalis> :)
[12:52] <sam_> wilson u right!  but he also seemed to say he uses neither - dont know why?
[12:52] <dystopianray> konqueror is the best part of kde
[12:53] <Assid> wilson: thats cause gnome at that time was too damn buggy
[12:53] <ck_42> Is there a way to do the update to GG via CLI?
[12:53] <WaltzingAlong> ck_42: yes
[12:53] <Assid> and he asked them to fix the bugs.. gnome guys said no bugs.. and he sent in a patch 4 hours later
[12:53] <letalis> i love how i can drop a cd in the crive and it lets me rip the audio tracks straight from the disc without third party programs.
[12:53] <letalis> drive
[12:53] <yamal> ScorpKing: apt-get source <packagename>
[12:54] <ScorpKing> ty yamal
[12:54] <letalis> gnome + yakuake is livable :)
[12:54] <WaltzingAlong> letalis: it only looks that way because of the way the kde devs wrote it
[12:54] <momal> umm can someone tell me why... i just installed 7.10 (kubuntu) and in apt it has version upgrade button which by the looks of it attempts to install it again. I installed it from cd
[12:54] <dystopianray> letalis: yeah that audiocd:/ ioslave is amazing, although I still prefer kaudiocreator
[12:54] <letalis> i know
[12:54] <ubuntu> hey guys
[12:55] <ubuntu> I have a question how do i install automatix in kubuntu?
[12:55] <letalis> its not magic but the fact it simply looks like your copying mp3's or ogg off of the disc is pretty cool
[12:55] <momal> !automatix
[12:55] <letalis> :)
[12:55] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[12:55] <ubotwo> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[12:55] <Phlosten> does dolphin do anything that konqueror doesnt?
[12:55] <letalis> i like the bookmark thing a little better in dolphin
[12:55] <dystopianray> Phlosten: suck a**e
[12:56] <RytmenPinnen> how annoying, pastebin doesnt work for me. Does anyone else having troble updating?
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> Phlosten: not that i know, just does it differently and less of it to simply the interface of what it does
[12:56] <letalis> but thats it if konq had that, dolphin would go byebye.
[12:56] <ubuntu> utopiancradle rock me you disasterful man you dystopianray
[12:56] <dystopianray> i don't know what they were thinking putting dolphin as default
[12:56] <ubuntu> lol
[12:56] <dystopianray> it should have been made optional for people who want to try it
[12:56] <ubuntu> its broken
[12:56] <ubuntu> fragmented
[12:57] <Phlosten> dystopianray: how did you change it back to konq?
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> dystopianray: and for people who are new to kubuntu/kde and who have not been using konqueror?
[12:57] <letalis> its like going back to win3.1 file manager after playing with vistas explorer.
[12:57] <ubuntu> they should use the open version of Directory Opus
[12:57] <letalis> maybe not that bad
[12:57] <WaltzingAlong> Phlosten: right mouse click a folder, select open with, findkonqueror, click remember this app
[12:57] <letalis> but it feels crippled.
[12:57] <letalis> LOL
[12:57] <dystopianray> Phlosten: http://sathyasays.com/?p=23
[12:58] <dystopianray> WaltzingAlong: that doesn't work very well, we want konq for non-directories as well like system:/ and media:/
[12:58] <harald> anybody else have their kaffeine lock up?
[12:58] <harald> meaning just showning green bar like thnigs
[12:58] <RytmenPinnen> this is what im getting half way through "prepering update" http://pastebin.ca/742291
[12:58] <ubuntu> SO how do i install automatix2?
[12:58] <dystopianray> WaltzingAlong: konqueror is still perfectly fine as a file browser for those new to ubuntu
[12:59] <dystopianray> ubuntu: you shouldn't use automatix
[12:59] <ubuntu> that was pretty generic information telling me exactly NOthing
[12:59] <ubuntu> ;)
[12:59] <ubuntu> i am on a vm if it gets broken i' ll use a snapshot
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> Phlosten: and through file associations, find system_directory  then put konqueror to the top
[12:59] <ubuntu> it cant harm me
[12:59] <wilson> i like now with tabs, u can just have different dirs tabbed
[12:59] <ubuntu> i am immune
[13:00] <RytmenPinnen> this is what im getting half way through "prepering update" http://pastebin.ca/742291
[13:00] <dystopianray> yeah tabs are excellent
[13:00] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu:  visit the automatix website. automatix support not available in here
[13:00] <dystopianray> and being able to mix and match all manner of konqueror tabs together in one window
[13:00] <dystopianray> fish:/, smb:/, http:/, ftp:/, file:/ anything you want
[13:00] <Phlosten> dystopianray: cheers
[13:00] <dystopianray> dolphin is just ridiculous
[13:01] <Phlosten> uneccessary
[13:01] <harald> it's good for very noob users like my mother :-)
[13:02] <Phlosten> yeah, i prefer not to have a 'dumbed down' computer though
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> Phlosten: some would argue there is no other way to do it
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> a meeting of the users and machine through the interface
[13:03] <wilson> cyborgs !
[13:03] <wilson> cool ksystemlog just crashed again
[13:03] <wilson> dodgy
[13:04] <Jucato> !ping
[13:04] <ubotwo> pong
[13:04] <Jucato> hm...
[13:04] <ubuntu> WaltzingAlong: i didnt know that why so hostile its all opensource
[13:04] <dystopianray> where is the strigi config/database stored?
[13:04] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: sure but quality is the difference
[13:05] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: you may try it, it may work wonders for you, it may not
[13:05] <dystopianray> oh ~/.strigi
[13:05] <ubuntu> add and remove programs is painfully sluggish in Kubuntu
[13:05] <ubuntu> i am looking for an alternative thats all
[13:05] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: sudo aptitude
[13:06] <gridl0ck> everything works better from konsole ;p
[13:06] <dystopianray> is it just me or is strigi exceptionally crap?
[13:07] <ubuntu> open source shares one characteristic with communism and that is bureacracy thanks for giving me some WaltzingAlong
[13:07]  * WaltzingAlong ignorse
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: ok thanks
[13:07] <ubuntu> friendlyness and kindness is proprietary so it seems
[13:07] <ubuntu> ;0
[13:08] <dystopianray> my strigi keeps dieing
[13:08] <wilhart> i lost all application in menu! and menu editor error:  kde-menu: You must specify an application-id such as 'kde-konsole.desktop'
[13:08] <ubuntu> he asked for it
[13:08] <ubuntu> sorry about that
[13:08] <ubuntu> i am just offended by his rudeness
[13:08] <wilson> i recompiled strigi from svn
[13:08] <wilson> it was hogging resources
[13:09] <arctanx> Good day, I'm wondering about setting a system-wide language. I installed the esperanto language packages using install new language in System Settings, but when I click on "Select System Language" I only get a variety of Englishes. KDE is in Esperanto, but nothing else is, including apps like Openoffice which are if you set them manually in their own options. Any idea how to make it go system-wide?
[13:10] <dystopianray> arctanx: I don't think you can set the language in one place
[13:10] <Jucato> ubuntu: if I were to tell you that I were offended by your remark about communism and bureaucracy, would that give me the excuse to give you a piece of my mind, in a channel that's not for that?
[13:10] <Jucato> ubuntu: besides, he's only telling you the truth and the support policy we have for automatix
[13:10] <arctanx> dystopianray: So all over the world, everything comes in English, until you go around to each program which supports it and say "No, I want you in French" or something?
[13:10] <ubuntu> jucato i know i am sorry
[13:10] <ubuntu> i got emotional sorry
[13:10] <Jucato> hm.. where's T3...
[13:10] <ubuntu> its just the way he said Jucato
[13:11] <dystopianray> arctanx: you can set it 'globally' for kde and gnome
[13:11] <Jucato> !automatix | ubuntu
[13:11] <ubotwo> ubuntu: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[13:11] <ubuntu> i am used to more friendlyness i suppose
[13:11] <ubuntu> i am sorry
[13:11] <dystopianray> arctanx: but other apps like OO.org it seems need to be configured separately
[13:11] <Jucato> ubuntu: I can't see anywhere where he was being rude to you. he in fact told you the correct place to go for help and that it's not supported here
[13:11] <arctanx> dystopianray: Ah I see now. So when the KDE language is set, does that mean that KDE apps (like, say, amaroK), will pick up the language setting if they have a translation?
[13:12] <dystopianray> arctanx: that's right
[13:12] <arctanx> dystopianray: Got it. Thanks muchly
[13:12] <humbolto> did anyone successfully try out kde4?
[13:12] <humbolto> beta3?
[13:12] <dystopianray> arctanx: but gnome apps won't see the kde setting and neutral apps probably won't see the setting from kde/gnome
[13:12] <psycho> !ping
[13:12] <ubotwo> pong
[13:12] <arctanx> Makes sense.
[13:12] <dystopianray> arctanx: although setting a global locale may help, i'm not sure
[13:13] <dystopianray> arctanx: /etc/default/locale
[13:13] <arctanx> dystopianray: Now that was one of the things which interested me, I don't seem to have one, and I can't work out how to do it. A howto I found pointed me at a package called localeconf, which seems not to exist
[13:13] <Yammeh> How do I load a text file so I can edit it in konsole?
[13:13] <DexterF> come to think of it I really don't know a good reason to upgrade to gutsy.... hm...
[13:13] <Jucato> what the?
[13:13] <dystopianray> Yammeh: what editor do you want to use?
[13:14] <Dragnslcr> Jucato- it's a different address every time
[13:14] <Yammeh> Well I'll be using the alt+f1 gui, so I can't use one with a graphical interface
[13:14] <danijel_> asdf
[13:14] <Jucato> rawr!
[13:14] <dystopianray> Yammeh: do you know how to use vim?
[13:14] <Yammeh> Nope
[13:14] <Jucato> Yammeh: use nano
[13:14] <dystopianray> Yammeh: try: nano textfile
[13:14] <DexterF> Yammeh: the what?
[13:15] <vlt> Hello. I found the value "MaxRequestSize" for cupsd.conf and set it to "0" (which should be default, I thought) but that doesn't help. A large print job (33 MB) causes the printer to be stopped with "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!". Any idea what the problem is here?
[13:15] <Yammeh> ok, thanks
[13:15] <Yammeh> Hope I can sort this damn compiz problem this time >>
[13:15] <dystopianray> vlt: did you restart cups?
[13:15] <vlt> dystopianray: Yes.
[13:16] <wilson> i dunno why he doesn't just mount the disk from the live cd hahahaha
[13:16] <arkygeek> humbolto: i tried from feisty, but couldnt get it to work.
[13:16] <ubuntu> wow automatix is great :0 why isnt it supported 0;
[13:16] <wilson> geez  ubuntu
[13:16] <Jucato> !automatix | ubuntu
[13:16] <ubotwo> ubuntu: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[13:17] <ubuntu> How do i install pidgin on Kubuntu?
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> !pidgin
[13:17] <ubotwo> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[13:17] <dystopianray> ubuntu: sudo apt-get install pidgin ?
[13:18] <DexterF> we should introduce certificates. "level -1: you can't tell a gui from a tty and haven't heard of vi, mcedit, nano or something similar. please, please, don't fsck around with something as unstable and complex as compiz."
[13:18] <ubuntu> yeah thanks
[13:18] <humbolto> If I would only get this to work: Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm
[13:18] <wilson> or just type pidgin into adept or synaptic or whatever
[13:18] <ubuntu> dystopianray: i thought you had to add a repository for it manually in order to work
[13:18] <humbolto> I am getting: AUDIT: Fri Oct 19 14:14:45 2007: 9131 Xephyr: client 1 rejected from IP 127.0.0.1
[13:18] <ubuntu> thats why i asked
[13:18] <dystopianray> ubuntu: err no?
[13:18] <dystopianray> ubuntu: pidgin is in the standard repos
[13:18] <nosrednaekim> humbolto: that looks right.....
[13:18] <Jucato> ubuntu: if you're on gutsy you don't need a special repo
[13:19] <ubuntu> wow iLinux :O
[13:19] <wilson> kubuntu installed with a repo setup  already for me
[13:19] <francesco_> ciao
[13:19] <francesco_> !it
[13:19] <ubotwo> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> I think ubuntu is a troll......
[13:19] <ubuntu> automatix2 has iLinux can i install iLinux through add & remove also?
[13:19] <humbolto> nosrednaekim: but does not work
[13:20] <shadowhywind> take it the servers are stil being over-worked?
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> humbolto: try changing the "1" to "2" in both places
[13:20] <danijel_> franesco sei italiano
[13:20] <wilson> i dunno how many times you have to be told about automatix hehe
[13:20] <ubuntu> thats not very Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious from you nosrednaekim
[13:20] <humbolto> nosrednaekim: did that already
[13:21] <humbolto> connection to "localhost:2.0" refused by server
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> humbolto: do you have a firewall setup?
[13:21] <Jucato> ubuntu: you can try searching in Adept Manager for ilinux. if it's there, then it's there. if it's not and automatix has it, it means it's not officially supported
[13:21] <wilhart> hello my friends, all my menu has been cleared, how do i redo them?
[13:21] <wilson> xhost local:root
[13:21] <wilhart> menu editor doesnt work
[13:21] <Jucato> wilhart: what do you mean cleared?
[13:21] <nosrednaekim> wilhart: eh? your whole KDE menu has nothing in it?
[13:22] <ubuntu> iLinux is like iLife from Apple but then for linux thats kewl :)
[13:22] <ubuntu> and its free
[13:22] <ubuntu> and open source :)
[13:23] <ubuntu> is there a way i can download and install software from softpedia through apt-get ?
[13:24] <Jucato> only if softpedia offers a repository for apt
[13:24] <ubuntu> ok
[13:24] <ubuntu> how do i manually install something in Kubuntu than?
[13:24] <Jucato> !software | ubuntu
[13:24] <ubotwo> ubuntu: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[13:25] <ubuntu> ty
[13:27] <ubotu> pong
[13:27] <ubotu> ubuntu: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[13:27] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[13:27] <Jucato> haha late again :)
[13:27] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[13:28] <ubotu> ubuntu: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[13:28] <shadowhywind> looks like the bot is also over-worked
[13:28] <Jucato> definitely
[13:28] <Jucato> !botsnack
[13:28] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[13:28] <ubotwo> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> wow... he is LAGGY!
[13:30] <Azzco> nosrednaekim: Do you ever sleep? o.O
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> Azzco: just did for 8 hours
[13:31] <shadowhywind> is there a fix other then waiting, for "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"
[13:31] <Azzco> I still can't boot from the CD... I only get one line of text echoed "ISOLINUX 3.36 Debian-2007-08-30"...
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: switch to a new mirror
[13:31] <Jucato> shadowhywind: how long has it been like that? might be just a server error
[13:31] <shadowhywind> its been happening since yesterday, trying to do the upgrade
[13:32] <Jucato> tried to change servers? the us server is really being hit a lot
[13:32] <shadowhywind> how can i change the server?
[13:32] <Jucato> in Adept Manger, Adept  menu -> Manage Repositories
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: adept-> repositories
[13:33] <Jucato> too slow :P
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> I have a 6 second lag over this dial-up connection
[13:33] <shadowhywind> hows "main servers" *prbobly even worse then the us servers?*
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> AND I have to go eat and then get to school... have fun ya'll
[13:34] <Leopard_> iLinux: http://customize.org/screenshots/39779
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: nope... don't use those
[13:34] <Ash-Fox> I upgraded my server setup to gutsy and since then, I find I am unable to communicate on my 'internal network', my /etc/network/interfaces can be seen at http://pastebin.com/d78d41049 - any suggestions? ifconfig shows all the adapters are up with the correct IP address assignments.
[13:34] <Leopard_> i think nosrednaekim  is a troll
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> hahaha
[13:34] <Jucato> Leopard_: he is definitely NOT
[13:34] <ardchoille> Leopard_: Be nice, he's been here forever.
[13:35] <Jucato> not forever. that would be me :)
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[13:35] <ardchoille> Jucato: hehe, that it would
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> I've been here about a half-year
[13:35] <Leopard_> Jucato, is my amigo
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> well really, more like a year now!
[13:35] <ardchoille> I was planning to install Gutsy but I can't even get "sudo aptitude update" to work. I guess the servers are still being hammered.
[13:36] <arctanx> ardchoille: Just grab a new mirror
[13:36] <arctanx> choose one from an odd country ;)
[13:36] <ardchoille> arctanx: Tried a few, they're all slow.
[13:36] <arctanx> define "slow"
[13:36] <arctanx> :P
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: did you try columbia?
[13:36] <ardchoille> arctanx: Hey, not a bad idea.
[13:36] <ubuntu> NOOOOOOOO
[13:36] <ubuntu> fatal error i hate automatix ;9
[13:36] <Jucato> !caps | ubuntu
[13:36] <ubotu> ubuntu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[13:36] <ubot3> ubuntu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[13:37] <ubotwo> ubuntu: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[13:37] <ubuntu> it wasnt a shout i was just talking out loud
[13:37] <arctanx> I use my own ISP one in Australia, iiNet, and it gives me a solid 160kiB/s
[13:37] <ubuntu> in real life
[13:37] <ubuntu> :)
[13:37] <Jucato> hm...
[13:37] <ardchoille> Whoa, slapped by multiple bots, lol
[13:37] <Jucato> ubotwo: part #kubuntu
[13:37] <dystopianray> strigi is constantly complaining about files not existing and then crashes
[13:37] <dystopianray> I don't know what the hell is wrong with it
[13:38] <vlt> Any idea how to solve my CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!"?
[13:38] <Ash-Fox> Heh, gutsy reordered my network cards
[13:42] <vlt> Ash-Fox: /etc/iftab
[13:44] <Ash-Fox> vlt, thanks
[13:46] <vlt> Ash-Fox: BTW, you should edit that file _before_ you change the nic in a headless server machine ... ;-)
[13:46] <Ash-Fox> vlt, I never changed it :P
[13:46] <Ash-Fox> vlt, I upgraded to gutsy and it changed the order of the addapters.
[13:47] <lil_cain> Right, upgrading to gutsy today
[13:47] <crazy_bus> !sensors
[13:47] <ubot3> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[13:47] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[13:47] <lil_cain> I can go to init 5, I don't get any errors...
[13:47] <lil_cain> it's just, I only have ttys
[13:47] <lil_cain> no gui
[13:47] <vlt> ubot3: Who art thou, Sir?
[13:47] <ubot3> vlt: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:48] <Jucato> vlt: backup bot. ubotu's overworked a bit
[13:48] <vlt> Jucato: Aah ok
[13:48] <lil_cain> any one any ideas
[13:49] <lil_cain> ?
[13:49] <vlt> lil_cain: What does `runlevel` return?
[13:49] <lil_cain> 2
[13:49] <ubuntu> hello how do i install kiba-dock on Kubuntu?
[13:50] <lil_cain> N2
[13:50] <lil_cain> even
[13:50] <Jucato> !info kiba-dock
[13:50] <ubot3> Package kiba-dock does not exist in edgy
[13:50] <Jucato> hm..
[13:50] <ubuntu> i am on Gutsy Gibbon
[13:50] <Jucato> looks like kiba dock is gone
[13:50] <ubuntu> !info kiba
[13:50] <ubot3> Package kiba does not exist in edgy
[13:50] <ubuntu> !info kiba dock
[13:50] <Jucato> ubuntu: no use trying
[13:51] <ubuntu> NoOoOo
[13:51] <ubuntu> i need Kiba dock :(
[13:51] <Jucato> you can install from other sources if they provide a .deb package for it
[13:51] <lil_cain> ubuntu: tryed compiling it?
[13:51] <crazy_bus> is this bad? Sys Temp:    +51°C  (high =   -79°C, hyst =   +51°C)   ALARM
[13:51] <ubuntu> i am n00b u r my hero Jucato mi amigo help me please
[13:51] <lil_cain> not the easiest way around it, but...
[13:51] <vlt> lil_cain: Anyzhing interesting in /var/log/Xorg*.log?
[13:51] <ubuntu> i dunno compile what is compile?
[13:52] <Jucato> lil_cain: if there's a .deb package, he shouldn't have to compile
[13:52] <ubuntu> next-next compile like in windows, lil_cain?
[13:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: Someone told me that Gutsy makes it safe install .deb's from other distros. Is that true? I didn't realise the devs could pull off a trick like that.
[13:53] <lil_cain> ubuntu: with make files, although if there's a .deb that'd be better
[13:53] <ubuntu> what is this deb?
[13:53] <Jucato> ardchoille: not really. it just makes installing .deb files easier with gdebi-kde
[13:53] <ubuntu> debby?
[13:53] <Jucato> !deb | ubuntu
[13:53] <ubot3> ubuntu: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[13:53] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[13:53] <Jucato> ubuntu: a bit close though
[13:53] <ubuntu> i am running Kubuntu not debian
[13:53] <ubuntu> debian is other linux
[13:53] <Jucato> ubuntu: Kubuntu is based on Debian
[13:53] <dystopianray> strigi can't index image files?
[13:53] <ubuntu> oh ok
[13:53] <lil_cain> nothing looks odd in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:54] <jpatrick> ubuntu: kubuntu and ubuntu are based on Debian
[13:54] <ubuntu> so ubuntu is debian for n00bs?
[13:54]  * genii sips a coffee and tries to pry his eyes open
[13:55] <ubuntu> w_W
[13:55] <ubuntu> i like kiba dock
[13:55] <ubuntu> where to get deb for kiba dock i dont google cuz i am in china
[13:55] <ubuntu> cant trust american companies tell my govt. i am using free stuff
[13:56] <Jucato> http://www.kiba-dock.org/ <-- their website
[13:56] <ubuntu> thanx
[13:56] <Jucato> can't see a Download link/page though
[13:56] <JuJuBee> I can't make my IP settings for my eth0 stick for some reason.  I have never had this trouble before.  It keeps reverting back... I set to manual, change the IP and Apply.  If I close system settings and go back, they are set back to what they were before I changed them.  What am I missing?
[13:57] <Jucato> ubuntu: try this page, it has instructions: http://www.kiba-dock.org/index.php?option=com_mambowiki&Itemid=39
[13:57] <ubuntu> JuJuBee: you taste so sweet i love my JuJuBeans based WaWa coffee
[13:57] <Jucato> ubuntu: please don't do that
[13:57] <ubuntu> thanx Jucato
[13:57] <ubuntu> do what?
[13:57] <jpatrick> ubuntu: it's Linux for human beings :)
 JuJuBee: you taste so sweet i love my JuJuBeans based WaWa coffee
[13:57] <Jucato> unless you two personally know each other. but still inappropriate here
[13:58] <ubuntu> yes Jucato you dont have good coffee in Venezuela?
[13:58] <ubuntu> sorry
[13:58] <ubuntu> :)
[13:58] <Jucato> I'm not in Venezuela or anywhere near
[13:58] <ubuntu> joke :)
[13:58] <ubuntu> you mi espisito
[13:59] <ubuntu> tiamo :)
[13:59] <JuJuBee> Now that that is over... Why would my network settings revert back?
[13:59] <ubuntu> its your dns server
[14:00] <lil_cain> ah, wait, I have something in my xlog
[14:00] <lil_cain> fatal server error, no screens found
[14:00] <ubuntu> i wear my cloggs also when i dance
[14:00] <shadowhywind> sweet!!! I am past the fetching updates !!!
[14:00] <ubuntu> Yay!
[14:01] <genii> JuJuBee: Is eth0 also the interface for internet?
[14:01] <ubuntu> 56K Shadowcat
[14:01] <ubuntu> :)
[14:01] <QwertyM> I'd like to use KDE4. I've installed kde4base-dev successfully, now is there anything else I should attempt to be safe before trying it out in the sessions?
[14:01] <JuJuBee> Yes
[14:01] <ubuntu> see told you so JuJuBee
[14:01] <ubuntu> glad to be of service
[14:01] <shadowhywind> xmms is no longer supported?
[14:01] <dystopianray> is anyone having any luck with strigi? it seems to be one of the crappiest pieces of software i've ever used
[14:01] <JuJuBee> ubuntu : stuff a sock in it.
[14:02] <LiL-JoN> whats the name of ms core fonts package
[14:02] <LiL-JoN> mttscorefonts?
[14:02] <QwertyM> msttcorefonts
[14:02] <QwertyM> yeah
[14:02] <ubuntu> what kind of sock i dont need sock you mean cuz i am chinese i need a sock there thats so rude
[14:02] <QwertyM> just do ubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-extras :P
[14:02] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: didn't you install kubuntu-restricted-extras yet?
[14:02] <LiL-JoN> yeah
[14:02] <Jucato> hm..
[14:02] <Jucato> oh yeah it's not part of that :P
[14:02] <genii> work, AFK
[14:02] <ubuntu> :P
[14:03] <Jucato> yeah install msttcorefonts
[14:03] <shadowhywind> *cries* sure the first time the upgrade goes through, I don't have enough space for it *cries some more*
[14:03] <LiL-JoN> yeah thats it
[14:03] <ubuntu> afraid for Kubuntu
[14:03] <ubuntu> AFK?
[14:03] <Jucato> Away From Keyboard
[14:03] <ubuntu> oh
[14:03] <QwertyM> ubuntu-restricted-extras is the main part, kubuntu one adds flash etc ..
[14:03] <JuJuBee> genii : /etc/network/interfaces has the correct IP info... but still when I run system settings and look at the network info it is wrong.
[14:03] <ubuntu> mi english is no god
[14:03] <dystopianray> woah speedcrunch is massively improved, it supports binary and hex!
[14:04] <ubuntu> noway get out of here dystopianray
[14:04] <QwertyM> heh
[14:04] <dystopianray> ubuntu: I am serious, now I do not need to install kcalc
[14:04] <ubuntu> binary and hex woah
[14:04] <ubuntu> :))
[14:04] <ubuntu> great
[14:04] <QwertyM> btw, any suggestions to my earlier question?
[14:04] <QwertyM> "I'd like to use KDE4. I've installed kde4base-dev successfully, now is there anything else I should attempt to be safe before trying it out in the sessions?"
[14:04] <LiL-JoN> thanks Jucato i love you
[14:04] <Jucato> lol
[14:05] <jpatrick> QwertyM: I suggest just experimenting and following what it says on the site
[14:05] <dystopianray> ubuntu: binary and hex are extremely useful to programmers
[14:05] <ubuntu> i know
[14:05] <Jucato> QwertyM: just follow carefully the instructions in the release announcement page andyou should be ok
[14:05] <Jucato> dystopianray: how about octal? :)
[14:05] <QwertyM> jpatrick: ok, will run those commands, thank you. :)
[14:05] <ubuntu> i programmed automatix with hex and binaries :)
[14:05] <QwertyM> Jucato: you too ;)
[14:05] <ubuntu> ;)
[14:05] <Jucato> :D
[14:06] <dystopianray> Jucato: It's not useful for much other than file permissions
[14:06] <ubuntu> !automatix  rules
[14:06] <ubot3> ubuntu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[14:06] <Jucato> dystopianray: yeah it was a sort of sarcastic thingy :)
[14:06] <dystopianray> hehe ok
[14:06] <ubuntu> Jucato:  is naughty D:
[14:06] <Jucato> not as much as you. so please do behave :)
[14:07] <ubuntu> hydrogen:  you live on real campus?
[14:07] <ubuntu> you have bed and toothbrush hydrogen?
[14:07] <Jucato> ubuntu: I must also tell you that this is not a social chit chat channel
[14:07] <ubuntu> what is chit ?
[14:07] <Jucato> so don't got offtopic and just out of the blue make remarks such as those
[14:07] <ubuntu> Jucato: ?
[14:07] <jpatrick> !ot
[14:07] <Jucato> chit chat = offtopic conversation
[14:08] <ubot3> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[14:08] <ubuntu> you mean chinease Jucato?
[14:08] <Jucato> no
[14:08] <ubuntu> i dunno what chit means
[14:08] <dystopianray> is there a graphing calculator program in the repos?
[14:08] <Jucato> ubuntu: chit chat = offtopic conversation
[14:08] <Jucato> dystopianray: kplot?
[14:08] <ubuntu> what is chit then Jucato?
[14:08] <dystopianray> Jucato: thanks, i will try it
[14:08] <dedi> i have a iptables command to aktivate masq, but don know where to put this comman to automatc excute during boot
[14:08] <Jucato> ubuntu: it's a two-word term
[14:09] <voicu> hi, i have a HP monitor that can rotate to 90 degrees. is there some software that will rotate the screen?
[14:09] <dystopianray> Jucato: there is no kplot in the repos
[14:09] <ubuntu> chit means short Jucato
[14:09] <Jucato> actually it's chitchat sorry
[14:09] <Jucato> not 2 words. one word
[14:09] <ubuntu> so any short chat is forbidden Jucato?
[14:09] <LiL-JoN> how come im gettign a version upgrade
[14:09] <LiL-JoN> when i just installed kubuntu gutsy off disk
[14:10] <dystopianray> oh it's kmplot
[14:10] <Jucato> !offtopic | ubuntu
[14:10] <ubuntu> so chit chat is an idiom Jucato?
[14:10] <ubot3> ubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[14:10] <Jucato> dystopianray: oh sorry. forgot the m
[14:10] <vzduch> Jucato: it _is_ two words, only I know it hyphenated --> chit-chat
[14:10] <jpatrick> ubuntu: this channel is for support only, all other discussion is done in the offtopic
[14:10] <arkygeek> wow.  that was painful :s
[14:10] <Jucato> vzduch: merriam-webster thinks it's one word.. but whatever, the meaning is the same :)
[14:10] <genii> back
[14:10] <ubuntu> ok jpatrick i need support for automatix
[14:10] <ubuntu> help me please
[14:11] <Jucato> ubuntu: again...
[14:11] <ardchoille> Whatever happened to the CNR (Click-N-Run) stuff that was suppoed to be in Feisty?
[14:11] <jpatrick> I don't use automatix, no idea
[14:11] <vzduch> jpatrick: all other discussion would be done in offtopic if people only used that channel.. o0
[14:11] <LiL-JoN> ubuntu:  you sohuld have never installed it thats the support i give you :]
[14:11] <Jucato> ubuntu: we don't support automatix in here. go to #automatix if you need help
[14:11] <ubuntu> Jucato:  thank you
[14:11] <LiL-JoN> hey ardchoille :]
[14:11] <ubuntu> oelewapperke:  has big ears
[14:11] <oelewapperke> ?
[14:12] <voicu> damn konversation... so does someone know of a program that will make kde compatible with a monitor that rotates to a portrait position?
[14:12] <genii> JuJuBee: I ask if eth0 is also internet because if the computer is doing the ISP login, it will revert any settings you make to whatever the pppoe login gets from server (usually pppoe, can be other types)
[14:12] <ubuntu> oelewapperke are you a pancake?
[14:12] <Jucato> voicu: krandrtray?
[14:12] <Jucato> voicu: Installed by default
[14:12] <dystopianray> voicu: to make it automatically rotate the screen?
[14:12] <genii> bah he left
[14:12] <Jucato> ubuntu: stop doing that!
[14:13] <voicu> dystopianray: not necessarily automatically
[14:13] <jpatrick> ubuntu: please behave as if your niece was in here
[14:13] <voicu> jucato: ok, lemme try
[14:13] <dystopianray> voicu: xrandr can rotate the screen
[14:13] <Jucato> jpatrick: he might be asking what that means next... :/
[14:14] <ubuntu> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chit-chat the Sir was right Jucato chit chat doesnt exist its chit-chat (hyphenated )
[14:14] <ubuntu> Jucato:  :)
[14:14] <ubuntu> mi amigo
[14:15] <ubotu> Package kiba-dock does not exist in gutsy
[14:15] <ubotu> Package kiba does not exist in gutsy
[14:15] <ubotu> ubuntu: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[14:15] <QwertyM> Weird, I don't have a sessions folder under my /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/ .. and the command is asking me to copy a kde4.desktop from within it. :S
[14:16] <Un> hello
[14:16] <LiL-JoN> doe sanybody know where i can get vista looking icons
[14:16] <ScorpKing> l8rs guys!
[14:16] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: http://www.kde-look.org
[14:16] <Leopard_> he left yay
[14:16] <Un> I am trying to install xemacs on kunbutu 7.10, anyone can help ?
[14:16] <luite> I've installed kubuntu gutsy ony my thinkpad T61p, most things are working fine, but the volume buttons don't work (they don't control the volume, only mute/unmute). I did set the master channel to PCM, any ideas?
[14:16] <Leopard_> ubuntu was annoying
[14:16] <Jucato> (finally!)
[14:16] <jpatrick> Leopard_: there'll be more...
[14:17] <Jucato> and I'll be ready :)
[14:17] <Leopard_> :)
[14:17] <Jucato> Un: what seems to be the problem?
[14:17] <Leopard_> !codec
[14:17] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: i know at kde look but i cant find them
[14:17] <ubot3> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:17] <Un> Jucato: well, that I can't find it :-)
[14:17] <Un> package seems vanished
[14:18] <jpatrick> LiL-JoN: search for Crystal Project
[14:18] <LiL-JoN> ok
[14:18] <Jucato> Un: xemacs21?
[14:18] <LiL-JoN> ok jpatrick
[14:18] <Un> I tryed xemacs, xemacs21 xemacs21-mule, xemacs-something
[14:18] <Un> but it never exist
[14:18] <Jucato> !info xemacs21
[14:18] <ubot3> xemacs21: highly customizable text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 21.4.19-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 48 kB
[14:19] <Un> fine, I want it ! on 7.10 :-)
[14:19] <Yammeh> Well that sucked, had to reinstall gutsy :[
[14:19] <vzduch> isn't there XEmacs 22 yet?
[14:19] <Jucato> Un: um... sorry that bot isn't update
[14:19] <Jucato> Un: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xemacs&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[14:19] <Un> apt-cache search xemacs
[14:19] <Un> python-mode - Emacs-lisp python-mode and doctest-mode for the Python language
[14:19] <Un> (done)
[14:20] <voicu> jucato: how do you rotate the screen? there is nothing in there for that
[14:20] <voicu> oh wait
[14:20] <oelewapperke> how do I get the live cd to boot me into a shell immediately ?
[14:20] <Jucato> Un: please also check if Universe is enabled in your Manage REpositories
[14:20] <oelewapperke> init=/bin/sh or init=/bin/bash is not working
[14:20] <Un> Jucato: trying...
[14:21] <Jucato> voicu: there's a system tray icon
[14:21] <Un> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xemacs&searchon=names&subword=1&version=Feisty&release=all
[14:21] <voicu> lol, i know that
[14:21] <Un> ror: Packages/Sources file not found.
[14:21] <Jucato> Un:  you're looking at feisty
[14:21] <Un> yep
[14:22] <Un> am I wrong ?
[14:22] <Jucato> 7.10 is Gutsy
[14:22] <voicu> this is freaking annoying... it says i need admin rights for any changes. i do kdesu and it crashes
[14:22] <Un> ho, sorry, my mistake
[14:22] <Jucato> I already gave you the link
[14:22] <Un> yep, but I thouth that... well
[14:23] <Jucato> Un: please check again if your universe repository is enabled. if it is, sudo apt-get update, then try sudo apt-get install xemacs21
[14:23] <shadowhywind> is it normal for the upgrade to take 2 hours?!
[14:23] <hydrogen> yes
[14:24] <Un> Jucato: how do I do check that ?
[14:24] <LjL> !test
[14:24] <ubot3> Failed.
[14:24] <ubotwo> Failed.
[14:24] <LjL> Jucato: ubot3 works better than ubotwo
[14:24] <LiL-JoN> where can i find vista icons?
[14:24] <Jucato> !info xemacs21
[14:24] <ubot3> xemacs21: highly customizable text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 21.4.19-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 48 kB
[14:24] <ubotwo> xemacs21 - highly customizable text editor - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[14:24] <Jucato> LjL: ^^^ :D
[14:24] <ubotu> Failed.
[14:24] <LjL> Jucato: and both work better than ubotu :)
[14:24] <vzduch> !info xemacs22
[14:24] <ubot3> Package xemacs22 does not exist in edgy
[14:24] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[14:24] <ubotu> xemacs21: highly customizable text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 21.4.20-1.1 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 48 kB
[14:24] <John117> Does Kubunut Gutsy come with Compiz?
[14:24] <hydrogen> ...
[14:24] <LjL> ubotwo: part
[14:25] <Jucato> LjL: part
[14:25] <hydrogen> Don't you think that theree bots is a bit much?
[14:25] <Jucato> oh sorry
[14:25] <voicu> haha
[14:25] <Jucato> LjL: rawr!
[14:25] <Jucato> you're lucky I'm not vindictive (and not on the council :P)
[14:25] <shadowhywind> and let the two hour wait begin!
[14:25] <vzduch> lol
[14:25] <Jucato> hydrogen: ubotu's on and off. overworked
[14:25] <Jucato> on strike
[14:26] <John117> question: Does Kubunut Gutsy come with Compiz?
[14:26] <Jucato> nope
[14:26] <dystopianray> John117: no
[14:26] <Jucato> not installed/enabled by default
[14:26] <LjL> Jucato: meh, being on the council doesn't mean no opwars! :(
[14:26] <Jucato> hahah :)
[14:26] <John117> dystopianray: thanks.  Is it a pain to install?
[14:26] <dystopianray> John117: no idea, I don't use it
 Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[14:27] <John117> dystopianray do you use any enhancement like it?
[14:27] <Jucato> John117:
[14:27] <Un> how do I check for  "universe repository" ?
[14:27] <Jucato> Adept Manager -> Adept Menu -> Manage Repositories
[14:28] <vzduch> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -i universe <-- if the line has a # in the beginning, it's not activated
[14:28] <dystopianray> John117: no, I do not care for 3d desktop effects
[14:29] <Ash-Fox> vzduch, grep accepts a filename as a second parameter, so you can use: grep -i universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:29] <vzduch> Ash-Fox: not bad, didn't know that :)
[14:29] <hydrogen> vzduch: overuse of cat makes me cry :\
[14:29] <vzduch> hydrogen: why?
[14:29] <hydrogen> oh, Ash-Fox already mentioned it
[14:29] <tinin> How do I upgrade to gutsy? adept manager sux!
[14:30] <Un> vzduch: ok, done. thanks
[14:30] <tinin> I do not get notifiations about a new version avaliable, do I need to change the sources list first?
[14:30] <hydrogen> see the topic.
[14:31] <Ash-Fox> hydrogen, I use cat a lot.. even for transfering files. I don't use scp.. I use: cat filename |ssh server "cat > filename"
[14:31]  * Ash-Fox overuses cat :P
[14:31] <Jucato> meow
[14:31] <vzduch> hehe
[14:31]  * Ash-Fox pets Jucato
[14:31]  * Jucato purrs...
[14:32] <Jucato> (^-_-^)
[14:33] <hydrogen> Ash-Fox: thats just sillier
[14:34] <Ash-Fox> hydrogen, you'd be suprised how many systems just don't have scp
[14:34] <tinin> I-ve followed the upgrade guides for kubuntu, but no luck. My question is> Can I change all references to feisty to gutsy in sources.list and then dist-upgrade?
[14:35] <Ash-Fox> tinin, you can try, but it's not recommended. What did you have no luck with?
[14:35] <dystopianray> is anyone else getting kernel panics when hibernating?
[14:35] <Ash-Fox> dystopianray, nope.
[14:35] <dystopianray> damn, I had perfectly working suspend and hibernate for two releases, now hibernate panics and suspend sometimes fails
[14:35] <Un>  universe repository is now enabled, but still no xemacs. any more advice ?
[14:36] <Jucato> Un: did you "sudo apt-get update" already?
[14:37] <Yammeh> !java
[14:37] <ubot3> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[14:37] <voicu> ok... my upgrade to gutsy didn't go as well as i thought. i had to stop it before it was done and now the monitor configuration says i have an orphaned control module. what could be the problem?
[14:37] <user_> give me one line of command to enable mp3 decoding!
[14:37] <Un> Jucato: yes, but it failed, hanging at "99% [Connecting to fr.archive.ubuntu.com (194.2.0.36)]"
[14:37] <user_> sorry :P
[14:37] <tinin> Ash-Fox guides tell you to manage the sources list via adept manager, and some guides tell you to enable the "Recommended updates" and others also to enable the "Pre release updates" and then reload. But this does not work for me, i get no notifications about the new version avaliable
[14:38] <Leopard> aso
[14:39] <tinin> "Enable PRE RELEASED updates"? I'm a cautious user, why I need pre-released updates to do the upgrade?
[14:39] <Un> I tryed to "fake"  fr.archive.ubuntu.com  to  archive.ubuntu.com but it didn't get much better
[14:39] <tinin> the change of instructions for upgrade and the need for -proposed was caused by a bug in Adept not reading the new distro version file properly.
[14:39] <LiL-JoN> Whats a "Kicker Background"?
[14:40] <tinin> I-m not the only one haveing problems with upgrade https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyComments
[14:40] <Yammeh> !flash
[14:40] <ubot3> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[14:40] <tinin> Kubuntu sux, it is not beeing maintained as I hoped
[14:41] <tinin> They care the most for ubuntu
[14:41] <Un> fine. stalled update restarted. but it now failed during dependency
[14:41] <voicu> kde is worth any kind of trouble :P
[14:41] <elcuco> my adept is not able to download the, ReleaseAnnouncement, so the wizard cannot continue. any tips on overcomming this?
[14:42] <qb06> restricted drivers wont work on kubuntu 7.10 nvidia 6200
[14:43] <shadowhywind> I have a question. If i am doing the upgrade, and i need to shutdown the comp, and its in the fetching the upgrades would it be safe to shutdown?
[14:43] <tinin> qb06 that-s another sad notice qb06
[14:43] <harald> shadowhywind: yes
[14:43] <qb06> what
[14:44] <Un> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:44] <Un>   xemacs21-mule: Depends: xemacs21-bin (= 21.4.19-1ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:44] <Un>                  Depends: libdb3 (>= 3.2.9) but it is not installable
[14:44] <Un> strange
[14:44] <harald> Un you know the obvious solution right?
[14:44] <shadowhywind> k thanks, I just reliazed that it was friday and in about 5-6 hours i am going to need to power down the laptop
[14:44] <Jucato> Un: ah I have another guess... your server is having a hard time.... might be affecting the packages it sees...
[14:44] <harald> Un: use vi  :P
[14:44] <Un> harald: well there  is lots of "bad solution" :-)
[14:45] <tinin> qb06 restricted drivers was one of the NEW advantages on kubuntu gutsy, I wanted to try it, anyway you can try envy script to do the same
[14:45] <Un> Jucato: ok, I share the same feeling. may be I should try again tomorow...
[14:47] <Un> thanks all for your help. I will try again tomorow
[14:48]  * Un is away: I'm busy
[14:48] <Jucato> !away > Un
[14:48] <dystopianray> do I need more swap than ram to succesfully hibernate?
[14:49] <Jucato> uh oh.. he might gethttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windowlicker
[14:49] <Jucato> rawr sorry!!
[14:49] <Jucato> sh*t :
[14:49] <Jucato> sorry sorry  :(
[14:49] <Un> well I did not chante my nick name...???
[14:50] <Un> change
[14:50] <Pantha> does anyone know how i can install canon lbp2900 printer in gutsy? I tried the guide in ubuntu-wiki, which worked with 7.04 version, but with gutsy cups says "/usr/lib/cups/backend/ccp failed"
[14:50] <Jucato> Un: public away messages
[14:53] <dedi> how can i get compiz to autorun in kde?
[14:54] <lup0> anyone still have the kopete msn problem
[14:54] <lup0> possible fix for msn-kopete crash: http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/17733/Kopete-MSN-Crashes-Kopete.html
[14:55] <lup0> don't know what the file contactlist.xml is, and I take no responsibility for what happens you delete it
[14:55] <lup0> haven't tested myself
[14:56] <GS3User007> haven't looked at the fix, but kopete did crash on me when i tried to use msn
[14:56] <GS3User007> installing pidgin atm though
[14:56] <dedi> lup0: does not work for me
[14:56] <pvandewyngaerde> is there Xposé like feature in Kubuntu for compiz ?
[14:57] <tavoc> hi
[14:57] <Jucato> compiz has such a feature
[14:57] <Jucato> GS3User007: that's the bug. and there's a fix
[14:57] <noam_> there's an updated version of KDE core that fixes the kopete crash...
[14:57] <Kachna> anyone experiences this? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087600.0 (xgl related)
[14:57] <Jucato> GS3User007: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/153500
[14:58] <Jucato> but the fix should be available through normal updates soon
[14:58] <GS3User007> i'll grab it then
[14:58] <dedi> i still dont know how to start/configure compiz on kde
[14:58] <GS3User007> it's not a huge deal, i'm only running a virtual pc atm
[14:58] <tavoc> i installed yesterday kubuntu 7.10, and now my cpu runs to fast. Normally it is a pentium m 1500 mhz, but now it runs at 1600. How can i fix this? It occurs in the live cd and in installation
[14:59] <Kachna> dedi: what graphic card?
[14:59] <tavoc> in 7.04 all was fine, but now the cpu is to hot
[14:59] <dedi> Kachna: nvidia 8
[14:59] <dystopianray> i acn hibernate with uswsusp but not with the default hibernate method
[15:00] <Kachna> dedi: well it should work like a charm with xorg O.o just sudo apt-get install compiz-core compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager (and others..) and then run compiz --replace < did u try?
[15:00] <shadowhywind> hay all a quick question, Does anyone have any ideas on why my printer is printing in green/blue instead of black?
[15:01] <LiL-JoN> anybody wanna see my desktop?
[15:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> because you have the ink backwards?  because the black is empty?  just a couple possibilities
[15:01] <GS3User007> it's been my experience that some printers will compensate for lack of black ink and start spraying dark colors instead
[15:02] <shadowhywind> ink is in the same spot, black is still good. I know i am out of yellow, But in anycase it works correctly in windows
[15:02] <GS3User007> no idea then
[15:03] <tavoc> has anyone an idea, where i can set cpu frequency?
[15:03] <heras> Hi guys/gals. Is it true that dist-upgrade is depricated and that the upgrade-manager should be used?
[15:04] <siraj_> hi
[15:04] <siraj_> first timer here
[15:04] <hero> siraj_: welcome
[15:04] <siraj_> hey thanks hero
[15:04] <GS3User007> siraj_: hi, me too
[15:04] <wilhart> how to i get to see a window that is behing another?
[15:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dunno about deprecated, but upgrade-manager is certainly a better choice
[15:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> wilhart: click on it
[15:04] <wilhart> i have to press on the upper panel
[15:04] <siraj_> try alt+tab
[15:04] <wilhart> Daisuke_Laptop: i have to press on the upper panel
[15:05] <heras> Daisuke_Laptop: why?
[15:05] <wilhart> Daisuke_Laptop: else it down get visible
[15:05] <vzduch> upper panel?
[15:05] <siraj_> wilharrt try alt+tab
[15:05] <wilhart> siraj_: i have supercha-tab yes but i have to mark it with mouse
[15:05] <wilhart> on window anywhere with mouse, now it sshows only with upperborder
[15:06] <LiL-JoN> does Kubuntu not support MP730 printer cause on Ubuntu it worked
[15:06] <siraj_> right click the upperborder and see what happens
[15:06] <wilhart> siraj_: no?
[15:06] <siraj_> wilhart: trying this first time
[15:07] <wilhart> let me explain again
[15:07] <siraj_> ok
[15:07] <wilhart> i have 1 window over another.
[15:07] <siraj_> ok
[15:07] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: it should. we use the same printer drivers
[15:07] <wilhart> when i press the window behind window ontop
[15:07] <wilhart> doesnt chage window..
[15:07] <wilhart> but when i pres son upperborder it changes.
[15:07] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: then how come it doesnt reconize it im trying to share it
[15:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> the upper border...
[15:07] <wilhart> where do i enable that it shows wherever u press on that window
[15:07] <siraj_> maybe this window has been set to always on top
[15:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> the title bar?
[15:08] <wilhart> yes tile bar:)
[15:08] <siraj_> yes I think upper border = title bar
[15:08] <siraj_> :)
[15:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay
[15:08] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: the windows computer on my network has the printer and im trying to use it
[15:08] <dedi> Kachna: thanks, works now, but still does not autostart even with --replace
[15:08] <wilhart> silly me.
[15:08] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: how do i install samba
[15:08] <Jucato> !samba | LiL-JoN
[15:08] <ubot3_> LiL-JoN: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[15:08] <Ubotwo> LiL-JoN: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[15:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> i actually had that problem once...  but i have no clue how i fixed it
[15:08] <vbgunz> how can I reinstall gutsy without actually reinstalling gutsy?
[15:08] <wilhart> Daisuke_Laptop: damg.
[15:08] <vbgunz> I mean, I am not talking about putting in the latest cd and installing from there... reinstalling gutsy from within gutsy, reconfiguring it,
[15:08] <siraj_> how do i join another channel?
[15:08] <vbgunz> first time ever, an upgrade completely broke my system... I boot into a cursor, no X, no terminals. just a blinking cursor :(
[15:08] <siraj_> I am usig Konversation
[15:08] <tavoc> siraj_ /join #channel
[15:08] <E_mE> is KDE 4 Beta 3 quite buggy?
[15:09] <vbgunz> anyone know how to reconfigure gutsy?
[15:09] <siraj_> right here?
[15:09] <wilhart> Daisuke_Laptop: OMG! how do i do this.
[15:09] <BloodyTux> Hey. Wow, lot's of people...
[15:09] <tavoc> yeah
[15:09] <wilhart> Daisuke_Laptop: really annnoying
[15:09] <tavoc> without whitespace
[15:09] <carpool> How can I connect via pppoe (dsl)? with kubuntu 7.10?
[15:09] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: that helps me a little bit but im still lost
[15:09] <Kachna> dedi: get fusion-icon, i'm not sure if it is in repos,but on compiz-fusion web it is :-)
[15:09] <letalis> im convinced that framebuffer console support is hosed in gutsy.
[15:09]  * BloodyTux yawns, "Time to get back in the game"
[15:09] <dystopianray> carpool: kppp?
[15:10] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: can't help you there. don't use samba...
[15:10] <siraj_> where do i get a channel list?
[15:10] <Jucato> dystopianray: nope that 's for dial up
[15:10] <dedi> fusion
[15:10] <dedi> fc ^
[15:10] <vzduch> carpool, dystopianray: pppoeconf
[15:10] <Jucato> carpool: run "sudo pppoeconf" in Konsole
[15:10] <LjL> !test
[15:10] <ubot3_> Failed.
[15:10] <ardchoille> !info kickoff
[15:10] <ubot3_> Package kickoff does not exist in edgy
[15:10] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[15:10] <Ubotwo> Package kickoff does not exist in
[15:10] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: isnt samba a printer sharing system?
[15:10] <ardchoille> !info kickoff gutsy
[15:10] <Jucato> LiL-JoN: nope
[15:10] <Jucato> well depends.
[15:11] <BloodyTux> So, just got a new gfx card, EVGA e-Geforce 7600 GS, does anyone know if kubuntu has a driver for it preinstalled or where to get it. Downloading Kubunut iso right now to install.
[15:11] <carpool> vzduch, Jucato : thank you for your help, I will test that. CU!
[15:11] <kaminix> I'm having problems with SCIM/SKIM with Anthy. If I try to input anything in Japanese on a line it pushes what I type to the front automatically.
[15:11] <BloodyTux> *Kubuntu
[15:11] <dystopianray> BloodyTux: use the restricted drivers manager
[15:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> !nvidia
[15:11] <Ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:11] <BloodyTux> K
[15:11] <BloodyTux> Thanks Dai.
[15:11] <CPrompt^> BloodyTux : it'll work but it will probably be 800x600 res.
[15:11] <siraj_> can anyone point me to some interesting channels?
[15:11] <dedi> Kachna: jap isnt in repo (yet). think will just do a kde autostart script
[15:11] <CPrompt^> siraj : what's wrong with this one?  :p
[15:11] <bjwebb> open office mucks up when i change kde colour scheme
[15:11] <siraj_> hehe
[15:12] <siraj_> nothign wrong
[15:12] <siraj_> just wanns try
[15:12] <BloodyTux> CPrompt^: Ya think Beryl will work?
[15:12] <siraj_> others
[15:12] <tatters> Any used alternative cd to enable LVM with encryption, I keep getting failed when trying to set it up?
[15:12] <Kachna> dedi: that's the way i use too :-)
[15:12] <CPrompt^> BloodyTux : I had Beryl working but ran a script to install it and configure it.  After a few days I lost interest in it LOL
[15:12] <dedi> Kachna: do you know what runns good with a ati card? radeon driver with xgl was quite crappy with feisty. still that?
[15:12] <BloodyTux> xD
[15:13] <LiL-JoN> Jucato: my printers a MultiPass MP730
[15:13] <bjwebb> open office mucks up when i change kde colour scheme :S
[15:13] <wilhart> http://pastebin.ca/742399
[15:13] <BloodyTux> My sister ran Beryl on her Ubuntu install for her laptop but she started to hate the themes and reinstalled windows instead of taking of Beryl...
[15:13] <wilhart> something with kopete can't load it crashes.
[15:13] <BloodyTux> *off... Can't type today
[15:14] <siraj_> I am running Kubuntu on VirtualBox under WIn XP. So the internet works well inside Kubuntu.. I wanted to know.. will the internet still work well when I install Kubuntu directly to the hard disk? I have a feeling Kubuntu is sourcing internet thru the windows
[15:14] <BloodyTux> Anyone need help?
[15:14] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: me!
[15:14] <GS3User007> wilhart: kopete currently has a bug using msn
[15:14] <wilhart> GS3User007: oh..oke.:)
[15:14] <bjwebb> wilhart: its not kopete btw
[15:14] <bjwebb> its a lib
[15:14] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: What's up?
[15:14] <bjwebb> you can download a .deb fix if you want
[15:14] <siraj_> everybody who love multi-protocol IM clients say "MOOLAH!!"
[15:14] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: openoffice is being a pain
[15:15] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: How?
[15:15] <Hamra> GS3User007: is this bug in kopete on gutsy only, or also on feisty?
[15:15] <bjwebb> 1. it has screwed up since i changed system colours
[15:15] <bjwebb> e.g. no icons on buttons
[15:15] <siraj_> MOOLAH!!
[15:15] <siraj_> :P
[15:15] <bjwebb> 2. it has no window decorations when im running compiz
[15:15] <tavoc> why is my cpu running to fast ...
[15:15] <GS3User007> Hamra: don't know, kopete crashed on me earlier, someone posted a link to a fix
[15:16] <siraj_> coz it wants to break 100m WR
[15:16] <siraj_> nuubee :P
[15:17] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: What version of Kubuntu and OO are you using?
[15:17] <Kachna> dedi: well,it's better than on feisty,but the major problem i have..: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087600.0
[15:17] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: its gusty and 2.3
[15:17] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: K, hold on.
[15:17] <Kachna> and also http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087580.0 < that'S all i found out so far :/
[15:17] <bjwebb> but the first problem, i had on feisty too
[15:18] <dedi> Kachna: i will take a look
[15:18] <siraj_> I wish i had a fast computer which played real fast games
[15:18] <siraj_> My computer plays Solitaire really really fast :)
[15:18] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: 1. How are you changing colors. 2. Why Compiz, Beryl is newer and might not have that problem.
[15:19] <hydrogen> err
[15:19] <hydrogen> compiz-fusion
[15:19] <siraj_> gimme some channel lists
[15:19] <hydrogen> is what you probably wnat
[15:19] <Kachna> dedi: I'll love u if U'll drop any idea :P
[15:19] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: 1. in systemsettings 2. sorry i mean compiz fusion :D which is newer still
[15:19] <arash> Does someone here has experience with DC-qt? I wonder how to increase slot numbers, so I can get in to some hubs.
[15:19] <bjwebb> hydrogen: ive got it
[15:19] <hydrogen> beryl was a really bad quality fork of compiz that went no where and thus ended up merged back into compiz
[15:19] <bjwebb> i just cba typing the full thing :D
[15:19] <BloodyTux> 1. K 2. Good.
[15:19] <bjwebb> hydrogen: that's not quite true
[15:20] <hydrogen> bjwebb: well, beryl focused more on the eyecandy/plugins
[15:20] <BloodyTux> hydrogen: Damn, I've been gone a long time o-o...
[15:20] <BloodyTux> Exactly!
[15:20] <hydrogen> the core went downhill in its efforts
[15:20] <liquid-x> hi, i managed to screw up my xorg while trying to configure dual screen clone
[15:20] <BloodyTux> Go random stupid resource hogging look better programs!!
[15:20] <BloodyTux> Vivat Beryl.
[15:20] <krang> hello
[15:21] <krang> speakin spanish
[15:21] <dedi> Kachna: i will have to try it myself before i can say anything. hope xgl doesnt take 30% sysres anymore
[15:21] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: What does OO look like when you change colors? Screenshot would help.
[15:21] <arash> Or someone here know about good alternative to DC++ for linux, I can't say Im satisfied with Dcgui
[15:21] <wilhart> how stable is kde4 ?
[15:21] <hydrogen> it's not
[15:21] <wilhart> oke.
[15:21] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: okay
[15:22] <hero> !ubuntu-es
[15:22] <Ubotwo> Factoid ubuntu-es not found
[15:22] <hero> !es
[15:22] <ahia> hi :|
[15:22] <Ubotwo> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[15:22] <LiL-JoN> can somebody help me setup my printer
[15:22] <liquid-x> !en
[15:22] <BloodyTux> wilhart: Yea, don't change yet. Wait till it gets complete.
[15:22] <Ubotwo> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[15:22] <wilhart> BloodyTux: oke
[15:22] <dedi> Kachna: fglrx has now composite support?
[15:22] <wilhart> 2days after my birthday
[15:22]  * BloodyTux waits for screenshot, "Anyone else need help?"
[15:22] <ahia> someone knows how to reset the sound card rilevation by terminal? :|
[15:22] <BloodyTux> ahia: Nope ^.^
[15:23] <LiL-JoN> BloodyTux: i need help
[15:23] <Kachna> dedi: with xgl server,it had ever :-) but can't run any other 3d app with that
[15:23] <liquid-x> what to do when xserver can't start? nvidea crashes before login :( help??? i've been searching, even swap back original file, no avail
[15:23] <ahia> so bad :(
[15:23] <BloodyTux> LiL-JoN: What's up?
[15:23] <CPrompt^> what is rilevation ??  LOL
[15:23] <LiL-JoN> BloodyTux: can you help me setup my printer
[15:23] <arash> liquid-x didn't you make backup?
[15:23] <BloodyTux> LiL-JoN: Yep
[15:23] <ahia> my sound card is not always rilevated by the o.s. in the startup
[15:23] <liquid-x> arash: i did, i put the back up in still crashed
[15:23] <wilhart> is there any themes packages?
[15:23] <LiL-JoN> BloodyTux: omg i love you
[15:23] <ahia> :(
[15:23]  * BloodyTux thinks, Finally something I'm good at doing :P
[15:23] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: http://172.209.19.63/pictures/new/OOo.png
[15:24] <CPrompt^> ahia : ok...what does rilevation mean?
[15:24] <arash> liquid-x: ohouch, I'm sorry to hear that, And Im not good at these things :p
[15:24] <ahia> i'm not english excuse fot the bad esplaination
[15:24] <ahia> :|
[15:24] <liquid-x> arash: know anyone that can help?
[15:24] <ahia> for
[15:24] <QwertyM> How do I get Video Previews in Dolphin instead of just a Kaffeine Icon?
[15:24] <ahia> :|
[15:24] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: where did you get that "k" from
[15:24] <dedi> Kachna: hm, never run for me with feisty, and i tried really a lot there :) only had ati and readeon driver run, but very very slow and laggy
[15:24] <bjwebb> LiL-JoN: kbfx
[15:25] <arash> liquid-x: No :(
[15:25] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: whats that lol
[15:25] <ahia> when in the startup the system checks the sound card...
[15:25] <BloodyTux> LiL-JoN: hold on.
[15:25] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=3109627
[15:25] <ahia> how i can do this again in terminal? :|
[15:25] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: Check that thread.
[15:25] <Kachna> dedi: i had it working like a charm on feisty :P
[15:26] <Kachna> well, not that good charm,but it was running :P
[15:26] <ahia> :(
[15:26] <bjwebb> okies
[15:26] <dedi> Kachna: ok i have a x800, they make additional problems i read ^
[15:26] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: It's about Ubuntu and Arch but it's somewhat what you have.
[15:26] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: where did you get the k from thats tight
[15:26] <Yammeh> Anyone know of a decent plugin for firefox so I can watch embedded videos? mplayer keeps crashing and closing firefox
[15:26] <Kachna> dedi: :/ x1600 over here
[15:27] <bjwebb> LiL-JoN: well you need an applet called kbfx to display it easily
[15:27] <bjwebb> but it was just on kde-look
[15:27] <BloodyTux> Damn you Kubuntu ISO...
[15:27] <dedi> Kachna: i saw it in your config :) its unbelievable how much better nvidia runs
[15:27] <BloodyTux> So big...
[15:27] <BloodyTux> brb
[15:27] <CPrompt^> ahia : you can do "sudo asoundconf list" to see what it brings up
[15:28] <Kachna> dedi: yep,but i hate nvidia :P looking forward for 8.42 fglrx to have at least any support..
[15:28] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: can i get it from kde-apps.org?
[15:28] <ahia> Names of available sound cards:
[15:28] <ahia> UART
[15:28] <ahia> :|
[15:28] <ahia> and now? :|
[15:28] <dedi> Kachna: but i hate ati more, so i started to love nvidia again :))
[15:29] <dedi> Kachna: but also nvidia sucks. purehd support for linux for example
[15:29] <Leopard_> Jucato,
[15:29] <CPrompt^> LiL-JoN : you can get kbfx from the repos too.  I don't like the newest "Sphinx" as well as the last version.
[15:30] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: how do i install it "apt-get install kbfx"?
[15:30] <CPrompt^> LiL-Jon : open Adept manager and it will be listed there ;)
[15:30] <liquid-x> help?
[15:30] <Kachna> i hate nvidia coz i had to setup a few computers with nForce,it was pain in the ass :/
[15:31] <bjwebb> BloodyTux: okay, ive been reading that
[15:31] <liquid-x> Kachna: hey know anything about xorg?
[15:31] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: ok
[15:31] <dedi> Kachna: i have nforce boards since beginning, never had really problems with it
[15:31] <bjwebb> what env variable would i run OOo with for default kde theme (as apposed to gtk)?
[15:31] <sub[t]rnl>  /back
[15:31] <Kachna> dedi: lucky u :D
[15:31] <bjwebb> what env variable would i run OOo with for default kde theme (as apposed to gtk)?
[15:31] <sub[t]rnl> woops
[15:31] <CPrompt^> ahia : still not sure what you want to "check"  It sees your sound card.  You can do lspci from terminial to see if it detects it
[15:31] <Kachna> liquid-x: a bit :P
[15:32] <BloodyTux> bjwebb: brb
[15:33] <ahia> i cant explain it in english :(
[15:33] <ahia> excuse me :(
[15:33] <liquid-x> Kachna: me 2, you see i can't get my xserver to start, even after using the back up file. the log said screen found but no usable config
[15:33] <elcuco> the upgrade is failing on my system. the upgrade application fails at the stage which it tries to download thoss 2 files. i have no idea which files, nor how to tell the upgrader to use an alternative mirror (it tries archive.ubuntu.com which oviously is dead)
[15:33] <elcuco> any hints for me?
[15:33] <Kachna> liquid-x: could U paste the xorg.conf and log file?
[15:34] <Hamra> how do i backup my system?
[15:34] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:34] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: what does that do?
[15:34] <BloodyTux> someone want to help bjwebb???
[15:34] <BloodyTux> Kinda busy.
[15:34] <sub[t]rnl> generates a user defined /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:34] <Kachna> elcuco: run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in console
[15:34] <liquid-x> Kachna: where can i paste? here?
[15:35] <Kachna> liquid-x: www.pastebin.cz for example :-)
[15:35] <elcuco> Kachna: yes, i can do that, but whats not the "ubuntu" way... what else does this updater do?
[15:35] <Kachna> elcuco: well i was born as debianist :-) i don't know much about desktops yet
[15:35] <sub[t]rnl> bjwebb: if you want kde to resort back to default, just do rm -rf ~/.kde
[15:36] <Urblix> does anyone have their keyboard volume keys working?
[15:36] <sub[t]rnl> bjwebb: this will remove any configurations you might have set within kde
[15:36] <Yammeh> Mine do, Urblix
[15:36] <elcuco> Kachna: then you are not help to me... (someone who works as an embbeded debian developer...)
[15:36] <blendtux> but bjwebb yes and data like downloaded podcasts etc etc
[15:36] <sub[t]rnl> elcuco: that is the "ubuntu" way
[15:36] <blendtux> i would do that only if that is your last resort
[15:36] <sub[t]rnl> elcuco: apt-get is debian is ubuntu
[15:37] <liquid-x> Kachna: http://www.pastebin.cz/show/2160
[15:37] <elcuco> sub[t]rnl: i am not that clueless
[15:37] <Urblix> did you have to configure them? or did they work out of the box?
[15:37] <sub[t]rnl> I didn't say you were
[15:37] <Kachna> elcuco: I'm not really a debian developer, just a poor beginner programmer :/
[15:37] <elcuco> sub[t]rnl: i just want to know "what else" does this upgrade tool does
[15:37] <sub[t]rnl> adept_manager?
[15:37] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: do u happen to know how to do dual screen as well?
[15:38] <dedi> Kachna: can you tell me where to set the window decorator? cant find it xD
[15:38] <bjwebb> blendtux and people: i just want env default theme for OOo, no other app
[15:38] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: i hear theres a command for gutsy
[15:38] <elcuco> sub[t]rnl: well, yes, but i am talking about the distro upgrade part.
[15:38] <Urblix> for dual screen, i would probably use the new config tool
[15:38] <liquid-x> Urblix: where is that new tool?? i couldn't find it.
[15:38] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: you'll want to define a double instance of your "Screen" "Monitor" and "Device" within xorg.conf.  Depending on the xserver driver your using, you can then set the layout within the Serverlayout section of the config
[15:39] <blendtux> bjwebb: default theme for OOo,
[15:39] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: i did that, and nvidia crashes before login
[15:39] <blendtux> define default bjwebb
[15:39] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: what was the crash related too?  Show me what its griping about
[15:39] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: http://www.pastebin.cz/show/2160   <-- my xorg and log
[15:40] <Urblix> its in sys settings, under peripherals
[15:41] <Urblix> pick display
[15:41] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get flash in firefox-3 ?
[15:41] <alaurin> bonjour, a tous, j'ai des plantage sur ma mise a jour de kubuntu vers la gutsy ...
[15:41] <Helvasca> Hey I'm trying out KDE and I can't seem to find many of my Admin tools?
[15:41] <sub[t]rnl> !fr
[15:41] <Ubotwo> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[15:41] <liquid-x> Urblix: did that, u mean where it shows the screen and set resolution? didn't help
[15:41] <alaurin> merci
[15:41] <pvandewyngaerde> Helvasca: bottom right > system settings
[15:41] <sub[t]rnl> Helvasca: Start-> system settings  or alt + f2 kconfig
[15:41] <pvandewyngaerde> bottom left
[15:41] <Helvasca> yeah I'm in there
[15:42] <Helvasca> It seems quite... empty
[15:42] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: do modprobe nvidia for me
[15:42] <xicohospi> hello
[15:42] <Yammeh> What is the file I have to edit to change the priority of my sound cards?
[15:42] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: tell me what you see
[15:42] <Urblix> you have to maximize the window and go into admin mode
[15:42] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: i'll have to boot back into it, right now on live cd :S i'll do the dpkg reconfigure first
[15:43] <mike-kubuntu> hey
[15:43] <xicohospi> I install dgen,but i can't see the executable in menu of kubuntu,Where is it please???
[15:43] <Helvasca> How can I enable so I can have a XDMCP connection come into box?
[15:43] <mike-kubuntu> i just upgraded to gutsy from fiesty and i have a few configuration questions
[15:43] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: i'll be back :)
[15:43] <mike-kubuntu> first off, is there a way to configure dolphin so that there are no left or right hand information or bookmarks windows?
[15:44] <stu> hey
[15:44] <xicohospi> I install dgen,but i can't see the executable in menu of kubuntu,Where is it please???
[15:44] <bjwebb> blendtux: default kde theme
[15:44] <sub[t]rnl> Helvasca: sudo apt-get install xnest
[15:44] <mike-kubuntu> and i have compiz installed, but i can't find how to launch it as beryl-manager is no longer intstalled
[15:44] <TimS> I'm getting MSN errors, is anyone else getting these
[15:44] <sub[t]rnl> mike-kubuntu: make sure you have ccsm.  sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:45] <GS3User007> TimS: in kopete? yes
[15:45] <sub[t]rnl> mike-kubuntu: then you'll add a sym link to /usr/bin/compiz in your Autostart directory
[15:45] <The_Machine> what's the best OSX like type dock for KDE/Kubuntu?
[15:45] <TimS> Nope, Pidgin but its the servers
[15:45] <Helvasca> sub[t]rnl: this is quite different to gnome!
[15:45] <newsense07> mike-kubuntu: from run command : compiz --replace
[15:45] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart | mike-kubuntu
[15:45] <xicohospi> I install dgen,but i can't see the executable in menu of kubuntu,Where is it please???
[15:45] <Ubotwo> mike-kubuntu: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[15:45] <sub[t]rnl> Helvasca: :P
[15:45] <GS3User007> TimS: I installed pidgin and tested it briefly, it seemed to be working fine for me
[15:45] <Helvasca> sub[t]rnl: don't know if I like it tho
[15:45] <wilhart> could someone tell me some nice themes?
[15:46] <sub[t]rnl> TimS: there was some problems with kdelibs and kopete crashing
[15:46] <mike-kubuntu> thanks
[15:46] <sub[t]rnl> TimS: it has been resolved
[15:46] <TimS> No, Its MSN errors
[15:46] <TimS> Not the program the server
[15:46] <stu> any time i try to install any package in adept it gives me a break error, and the command line gives me the following error http://pastebin.ca/742431
[15:47] <Yammeh> What is the file I have to edit to change the priority of my sound cards?
[15:47] <stu> any time i try to install any package in adept it gives me a break error, and the command line gives me the following error http://pastebin.ca/742431
[15:47] <mike-kubuntu> i'm getting some errors with /usr/lib32/libvorbisfile.so.3 etc ins not a symbolic link, i added these manually, where should i link them from in order to not get errors
[15:48] <Vermux> hi
[15:48] <dedi> Kachna: can you tell me where to set the window decorator? cant find it xD
[15:48] <Jucato> dedi: System settings -> Appearance -> Window Decoration
[15:48] <sub[t]rnl> stu: sudo apt-get -f install xchat
[15:49] <sub[t]rnl> stu: or sudo aptitude -f install xchat
[15:49] <dedi> Jucato: i mean the one compiz uses :)
[15:49] <stu> sub[t]rnl: still gives me error
[15:49] <sub[t]rnl> -f will fix broken
[15:49] <Jucato> ah
[15:49] <Kachna> mm
[15:49] <stu> sub[t]rnl: still gives same error
[15:49] <Kachna> dedi: it was under general i think,sec.
[15:49] <BloodyTux> bbl
[15:49] <stu> it doesn't seem to be installing dependencies or somethiang
[15:50] <Kachna> dedi: oh, in ccsm, go to window decoration and set "command" to emerald --replace for example ;)
[15:50] <carwash^> i see i'm not the only onw with kde-windows-decorator problems..
[15:51] <dedi> Kachna: oh ok thanks :D
[15:51] <Kachna> np :P
[15:52] <sub[t]rnl> apt-cache search atari
[15:52] <sub[t]rnl> mis
[15:53] <Ahmuck> !dvd
[15:53] <Ubotwo> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[15:53] <Yammeh> !sound
[15:53] <Ubotwo> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[15:53] <carwash^> is kopete still broken wrt msn?
[15:53] <sub[t]rnl> carwash^: negative
[15:53] <blendtux> but kubuntu comes already with a default kde theme for OOo bjwebb
[15:54] <Vermux> What's the shortcut for minimizing a window?
[15:54] <liquid-x> sub: hey
[15:54] <dystopianray> carwash^: yes but there is a fix available
[15:54] <bjwebb> blendtux: huh?
[15:54] <carwash^> dystopianray: in the repositories?
[15:54] <dystopianray> carwash^: no
[15:54] <blendtux> let me look bjwebb
[15:54] <liquid-x> sub[t]nrl: that sudo dpkg-reconfig didn't help
[15:55] <Ahmuck> is helix even close to real player ?
[15:55] <carwash^> all hail to the ugly amsn :(
[15:55] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: modprobe nvidia
[15:55] <liquid-x> ok
[15:55] <sonic> why doesnt kubuntu konversation ship with freenode is my server list?
[15:55] <sonic> isnt that the home of kde irc?
[15:55] <dystopianray> sonic: what does it ship with?
[15:55] <Ahmuck> sonic: because it's a ubuntu distro, so your connecting to ubunt
[15:55] <blendtux> bjwebb: my openoffice is using the kde theme wich i use bjwebb
[15:55] <sonic> just ubuntu server
[15:55] <Ahmuck> which is a part of freenode i think
[15:55] <Ahmuck> i just change it
[15:56] <bjwebb> blendtux: i have dark colours, which open office doesn't like
[15:56] <dystopianray> sonic: irc.ubuntu.com is a freenode alias
[15:56] <blendtux> oke you could try this bjwebb
[15:56] <bjwebb> i want to run open office with normal colors (using a env variable?)
[15:56] <liquid-x> sub[t]nrl: nothing showed up
[15:56] <GS3User007> is there a keyboard command to switch between desktops?
[15:56] <noam_> ctrl tab
[15:56] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: ah ha
[15:56] <dystopianray> GS3User007: ctrl+tab, ctr+shift+tab
[15:57] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: i'm running out of options, you got any idea?
[15:57] <GS3User007> not working... probably another glitch with msvpc
[15:57] <carwash^> in compiz. what is the normal linear window switcher called?
[15:58] <blendtux> bjwebb: do this in the konsole
[15:58] <Ahmuck> is there a way to remove kinfocenter?
[15:58] <dystopianray> Ahmuck: why would you want to do that?
[15:58] <Ahmuck> why wouldn't i, i never use it
[15:58] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: sec
[15:58] <Ahmuck> TMI
[15:58] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: whats your video card?
[15:58] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, my internet connection speed is varing on Kubuntu but not windows
[15:58] <bjwebb> blendtux: ....
[15:59] <blendtux> bjwebb: openoffice --style keramik
[15:59] <blendtux> ehm correction
[15:59] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: Nvidia GForce 7900GS~~
[15:59] <bjwebb> /home/bjwebb2/keramik does not exist
[15:59] <blendtux> ooffice --style keramik
[15:59] <bjwebb> any idea what full command is?
[15:59] <bjwebb> nah same problem
[16:00] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: have the nvidia driver installed?
[16:00] <liquid-x> it was working earlier
[16:00] <liquid-x> until i tried to do dual screen and it fucked up
[16:00] <PriceChild> !ohmy | liquid-x
[16:00] <Ubotwo> liquid-x: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[16:00] <blendtux> no bjwebb this is not the right path
[16:00] <liquid-x> i replaced the backup xorg.conf, still messed up
[16:01] <liquid-x> apologies for the swearing
[16:01] <sub[t]rnl> liquid-x: yeah, try the nvidea-xconfig utility
[16:01] <sub[t]rnl> see if that generates an xorg.conf that you can use
[16:01] <sub[t]rnl> I'm suprised that sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't helping you
[16:01] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl, i only have terminal, i'll try that now
[16:01] <liquid-x> yeh hang on brb
[16:01] <CPrgmSwR2> I have a very bizarre issue, kubuntu is not making good use of my connection speed can someone help?
[16:02] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: what type of connection?
[16:02] <QwertyM> Anyone using KDE4 here?
[16:02] <CPrgmSwR2> sub[t]rnl: broadband
[16:03] <blendtux> i am not QwertyM,. but what do you think of it
[16:03] <bjwebb> blendtux: what is?
[16:03] <CPrgmSwR2> I have two computers setup side by side and one downloads at 600kb/s while the other is at 50 kb/s that is using kubuntu
[16:03] <Hamra> CPrgmSwR2: thats weird, windows used to waste loads of my bandwidth on nothing, while kubuntu is working with the same speed and less bandwidth!
[16:03] <blendtux> the command i gave you, is not correct
[16:03] <Kachna> QwertyM: is it already useable? :P
[16:03] <pvandewyngaerde> QwertyM:  i tried , still not usable
[16:03] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: i have kbfx install now what?
[16:03] <QwertyM> blendtux: Er, I am missing the session folder, needed help getting that
[16:03] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: heh, the servers are hammered for the archives, if your using apt-get or adept
[16:03] <bjwebb> blendtux: what is it?
[16:03] <blendtux> to be honest i dont know how to run openiffce without the kde colours
[16:03] <CPrgmSwR2> sub[t]rnl: no I am using openoffice.org download
[16:03] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: to get a real idea of how they compare, do a speed test
[16:03] <crazy_bus> I've got 2gb's of memory been used with only programs in the tray open.  Anyone have any idea why this is?
[16:03] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?flash=1
[16:03] <blendtux> go to the openoffice channel maybe they know
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: wonderful!
[16:04] <dystopianray> crazy_bus: are you sure most of that is not just disk cache?
[16:04] <bjwebb> i don't want an open office specific thing as such
[16:04] <QwertyM> @pvandewyngaerde /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop ... I don't even have the sessions folder!
[16:04] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: check kinfocenter
[16:04] <Kachna> crazy_bus: i think it's normal, stuff just uses lot of memory,but when is some needed,it's released for program that needs it
[16:04] <sub[t]rnl> crazy_bus: sudo apt-get install htop, then see if its just cacheing your memory or really being used
[16:04] <Hamra> CPrgmSwR2: maybe the website you're downloading from is slow? are you downloading the same file on both computers?
[16:04] <bjwebb> CPrgmSwR2: what type of modem have you got
[16:04] <bjwebb> just what env variable will make an application run with default kde colours?
[16:05] <pvandewyngaerde> qwerty' did you install the package ?  install kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev.
[16:05] <crazy_bus> it is mostly disk cache.  Thanks for the answers
[16:05] <sub[t]rnl> np
[16:05] <CPrgmSwR2> sub[t]rnl: just used speed test and got 4613 kb/s
[16:05] <WaltzingAlong> !ram | crazy_bus
[16:05] <Ubotwo> crazy_bus: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[16:05] <Kachna> i wonder,why does my widget show that i'm still uploading / downloading stuff :/
[16:05] <QwertyM> pvandewyngaerde: I installed the latter, thanks let me try the first one
[16:05] <dystopianray> crazy_bus: disk cache is good
[16:05] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: how does that compare to your other box?
[16:05] <crazy_bus> now if I could only find out how to stop my core2duo and intel graphics freezing my entire computer
[16:06] <CPrgmSwR2> trying to test it now
[16:06]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[16:06] <mike-kubuntu> how do i use the kde window decorator with it?
[16:06] <mike-kubuntu> er, with compiz-fusion
[16:06] <QwertyM> pvandewyngaerde: Downloading it, hope that's it :)
[16:06] <pvandewyngaerde> must be
[16:06] <sub[t]rnl> mike-kubuntu: sudo apt-get install emerald, then configure your window decurations with it
[16:06] <pvandewyngaerde> QwertyM: if you want a sort af start menu ik KDE4 open the kickoff window
[16:07] <LjL> Ubotwo: part
[16:08] <CPrgmSwR2> 3.4 MB/s
[16:08] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: thats not much of a difference between the two
[16:09] <CPrgmSwR2> then why the difference in download speed with just about any file being downloaded
[16:09] <LiL-JoN> can somebody help me with KBFX?
[16:09] <sub[t]rnl> CPrgmSwR2: could be a number of things
[16:10] <sub[t]rnl> not too sure
[16:10] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[16:10] <WaltzingAlong> !info kbfx
[16:10] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: what do you need exactly
[16:10] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: that would help if the bot was working
[16:10] <GS3User007> how do i add a program to my startup script?
[16:10] <sub[t]rnl> !startup
[16:10] <WaltzingAlong> taking a break again!
[16:11] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[16:11] <WaltzingAlong> GS3User007: ~/.kde/Autostart
[16:11] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i installed it and when i try install a theme or press apply nothing happens :[
[16:11] <rand_acs> does firefox support flash and java on Gutsy 64?
[16:11] <CPrompt^> LiL-Jon : did you add the applet to the panel?
[16:12] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs:  yes
[16:12] <CPrgmSwR2> Is there a way to get colors to appear on the console
[16:12] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: whats that
[16:12] <rand_acs> LiL-JoN: the navtive one?
[16:12] <dystopianray> CPrgmSwR2: what do you mean?
[16:12] <LiL-JoN> wait no
[16:12] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs: yes
[16:12] <rand_acs> native*
[16:12] <rand_acs> awesome
[16:12] <CPrgmSwR2> like text that appears in konsole has different colors
[16:12] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs: but still 64 has bunches of problems
[16:12] <dystopianray> CPrgmSwR2: konsole supports colours
[16:12] <CPrgmSwR2> I am using cmake and its all the same white color
[16:12] <CPrgmSwR2> but in gentoo the text would appear in diffierent colors
[16:13] <CPrompt^> LiL-JoN : the kbfx is just an applet that replaces the kmenu.  You can "remove" the kmenu and then right click on the panel and "Add Applet" you will see KBFX listed there.  Might have to move it over to wher the kmenu was.
[16:13] <rand_acs> LiL-JoN: ugh, so getting the 32bit version is probably still beter
[16:13] <_3mti_> Hi all
[16:13] <dystopianray> CPrgmSwR2: gentoo probably has a different version or a patched version
[16:13] <alpha> Hi - I've been using following browser's in KDE for awhile now - Firefox - Opera - Epiphany - There is good and bad with all seems like. Has anyone tried SEaMonkey? - I know it's based on mozilla - Want something more stable then Firefox - it crash'es sometimes - real annoying.
[16:13] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs: yes
[16:13] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: i did that and thanks dud
[16:14] <dystopianray> alpha: what about konqueror?
[16:14] <CPrompt^> LiL-JoN : np.  Confused me at first too LOL.  Can always add the kmenu back the same way you added kbfx ;)
[16:14] <LiL-JoN> thanks again
[16:14] <_3mti_> i have question: Im using arch x86_64... can I run 32-bits programs ? ( i need quake3 on 64... or run on 32) is possible ?
[16:14] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: you deserve a cookie a huge one
[16:14] <alpha> yea - it's ok too but like the qiuck links you can put in tool bar on firefox
[16:14] <hero> !ekiga
[16:15] <dystopianray> _3mti_: there is a 64-bit quake3
[16:15] <_3mti_> where ?
[16:15] <dystopianray> _3mti_: although it does not have punkbuster
[16:15] <dystopianray> _3mti_: http://ioquake3.org/
[16:15] <WaltzingAlong> _3mti_: yes
[16:15] <Pantha> CPrompt^: you can change those colours by editing /etc/profile . use google to find some guide for that file
[16:15] <leo_> i'm upgrading 7.04 -> 7.10. the "distribution upgrade" stalls on the second point "packagedepot adjust" and does not continue. what to do?
[16:15] <_3mti_> this IOquake3 i compatibility with 1.32 ?
[16:16] <rand_acs> LiL-JoN: the 3in1 script form the forums doesn't work anymore though
[16:16] <Pantha> i meant CPrgmSwR2
[16:16] <sub[t]rnl> _3mti_: you can run 32 bit processes along side 64, unless your system started in 32-bit mode
[16:16] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs: no clue what that is :[
[16:16] <dystopianray> _3mti_: yes, as long as punkbuster is not used
[16:16] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: i cant install a theme
[16:17] <sutheep> sub[t]rnl: dude, thanks i got back in
[16:17] <_3mti_> my directory /lib/x86_64 is empty... i have to make UPGRATE FULL ??
[16:17] <rand_acs> LiL-JoN: ah, it's this cool script that installs one of the 32bit browsers with the whole works
[16:17] <sutheep> sub[t]rnl: modprobe nvidia still shows nothing
[16:17] <sub[t]rnl> sutheep: excellent
[16:17] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: do you know where a good color profile is
[16:17] <LiL-JoN> rand_acs: oh
[16:17] <WaltzingAlong> !fixapt
[16:17] <Ubotwo> Factoid fixapt not found
[16:18] <LjL> !adept crash fix
[16:18] <Ubotwo> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:18] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: it's still using nv driver, that should be ok right?
[16:18] <sub[t]rnl> yes sir
[16:18] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: if you like gentoo's profile, use it. you have to just edit that "PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ '"-line
[16:18] <LiL-JoN> CPrompt^: i cant install a theme
[16:18] <sub[t]rnl> now, make a backup copy of your working xorg.conf
[16:18] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[16:19] <_3mti_> sutheep: what is your promlem with nvidia ? im using nviadia driver on Feisty
[16:19] <CPrompt^> LiL-JoN : make sure you are trying to install a package for the same version of KBFX you have.
[16:19] <leo_> mainz
[16:20] <CPrompt^> gotta go.  work is calling LOL
[16:20] <liquid-x> sub[t]rnl: thanks, i'm gonna go install nvidia driver
[16:20] <Pasar> I just installed feisty (gutsy wont work on my machine) and need to install my graphics adaptor now.. but apt-get gives me an error because it cant get the autoconf package.. whats wrong?
[16:20] <Pasar> i used the same procedure on ubuntu once and it worked
[16:22] <LiL-JoN> i wish itunes worked on linux :[
[16:22] <sub[t]rnl> Pasar: whats the apt-get command your using
[16:22] <Pasar> sudo apt-get install autoconf automake autotools-dev build-essential cpp-4.1 linux-source libdrm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libtool m4 xorg-dev xserver-xorg-dev
[16:23] <sub[t]rnl> Pasar: whats the error
[16:23] <Pasar> package autoconf doesnt have an installation candidate
[16:24] <sub[t]rnl> do a apt-get update then try?
[16:24] <Pasar> sub[ŧ]rnl: how can i do that?
[16:24] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get update
[16:25] <lee_> hmm say has any one heard of another unbuntu powered project?
[16:25] <lee_> called freespire?
[16:26] <snowdonkey> #chessclub
[16:26] <Pasar> sub[t]rnl: thanx, this seems to help :)
[16:26] <mike-kubuntu> is there an expose plugin for compiz fusion, and how do you choose the kde decorator?
[16:26] <bjwebb> mike-kubuntu: yes, ccsm
[16:27] <LiL-JoN> i wish itunes worked on linux :[
[16:27] <sub[t]rnl> i dig the expo plugin
[16:27] <mike-kubuntu> bjwebb: i'm looking through ccsm, but i cant find how to enable compose effects or how to use kde themes
[16:27] <mike-kubuntu> Lil-JoN: i know the guy who's working on getting it runing in wine, but amarok is so much better i have no clue why you'd want ituned
[16:28] <sub[t]rnl> amarok > *
[16:28] <LiL-JoN> mike-kubuntu: i actually only want it cause i have a card for free music
[16:28] <WaltzingAlong> itunes worked for me through wine (though yes i use amarok)
[16:28] <bjwebb> mike-kubuntu: well scale is like expose
[16:29] <mhterres_> hey guys, I installed gutsy and now I can't authenticae via LDAP anymore :-/
[16:29] <lee986321> hmmm well, i have leechers lol
[16:29] <mhterres_> any tips ?
[16:29] <bjwebb> mike-kubuntu: and once you have kde-window-decorator installed, the easiest way to launch it is with fusion-icon
[16:29] <mhterres_> I noticed that there is a auth-client-config now
[16:29] <mhterres_> but I don't find documentation
[16:29] <rhythmicmayhem> LiL-JoN: Don't know if this helps but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QTFairUse
[16:29] <rand_acs> can anyone point me to the 32bit repositories? I can't seem to find it anywhere... no firefox32 in apt-cache :(
[16:30] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[16:30] <mike-kubuntu> bjwebb: i have compiz-kde installed but i don'[t have a fusion-icon
[16:30] <mike-kubuntu> bjwebb: right now i'm launching it by running compiz
[16:30] <BloodyTux> Hey, on the alternate CD, can I still repartition the windows partition on my PC without using data or do I have to download the full CD for QtParted?
[16:30] <lee986321> whats ratio ?
[16:30] <atlfalcons866> !gutsy
[16:30] <bjwebb> hmm im not sure where you're supposed to get kde-icon from tbh
[16:30] <Ubotwo> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[16:30] <atlfalcons866> !hardy
[16:30] <sub[t]rnl> atlfalcons866: I would think so, but not sure
[16:30] <Ubotwo> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[16:30] <bjwebb> you can launch kde-window-decorator --replace from cli
[16:31] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: are you still here
[16:31] <Jucato> kwin --replace
[16:31] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: yes
[16:31] <BloodyTux> Anyone know?
[16:31] <bjwebb> s/kde-icon/compiz-icon
[16:31] <mike-kubuntu> bjwebb: cool, that works, i'll add it to autolaunch
[16:32] <LiL-JoN> can somebody help me find a theme that works in my KBFX?
[16:32] <sub[t]rnl> BloodyTux: what was your q?
[16:32] <The_Machine> my mouse has more buttons than it lets me configure in KDE's system settings - does anyone know how i can configure/bind these extra buttons in KDE?
[16:33] <BloodyTux> I burned the alt. cd. Can I do QtOarted on that so I wont lose all my windows stuff.
[16:33] <lee986321> OK waht is a freez?
[16:33] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: I am still having issue getting color to work
[16:33] <BloodyTux> *QtPArted
[16:33] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: did you find some good profile?
[16:33] <CPrgmSwR2> no
[16:33] <CPrgmSwR2> I don
[16:33] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't know where to find a good profile
[16:34] <sub[t]rnl> BloodyTux: the alt cd is used to upgrade a current ubuntu partition
[16:34] <sub[t]rnl> BloodyTux: so you should be ok
[16:34] <BloodyTux> ...
[16:34] <BloodyTux> I have no ubuntu or kubuntu installed anymore...
[16:34] <sub[t]rnl> BloodyTux: Then you don't want an alternate cd
[16:34]  * BloodyTux swears a lot
[16:35] <mike-kubuntu> what determines the order that kde autostarts thinks in ~/.kde/Autostart
[16:35] <WaltzingAlong> BloodyTux: i do not know how well it can handle existing windows partitions
[16:35] <WaltzingAlong> mike-kubuntu: filename?
[16:35] <sub[t]rnl> thats my guess too
[16:35] <mike-kubuntu> alphabetically?
[16:35] <BloodyTux> This sucks...
[16:35]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[16:35] <BloodyTux> I knew I shouldn't have combined my ntfs with my linux
[16:36] <mayeco> kopete is crashing in Kubuntu Gusty Gibbon
[16:36] <mayeco> every time...
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> mayeco: yup grab the patch
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[16:36] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[16:36] <mike-kubuntu> gmail keeps crashing firefox since i upgraded
[16:36] <sub[t]rnl> nice WaltzingAlong: now how can I trigger you to say that!
[16:36] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[16:36] <mayeco> thanks WaltzingAlong
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[16:37] <utnubuk> anybody know how to download visualizations for amarok???
[16:37] <The_Machine> BloodyTux, how come?
[16:37] <mayeco> WaltzingAlong: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb?
[16:37] <utnubuk> checked the forums on amaroks site, not much info...
[16:37] <BloodyTux> I want linux back but my parents want windoze
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> mayeco: yes
[16:37] <mayeco> WaltzingAlong: oks!!
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> BloodyTux: tell them it is the next version of windows ;D
[16:37] <The_Machine> heh
[16:37] <BloodyTux> XD
[16:37] <BloodyTux> won't work
[16:37] <The_Machine> BloodyTux, why don't you dual boot
[16:37] <BloodyTux> they've used it before....
[16:37] <The_Machine> and have it default to Windows?
[16:38] <BloodyTux> I want to...
[16:38] <The_Machine> ??
[16:38] <ima-n00b> anyone ever had an error with /etc/sudoers before?
[16:38] <The_Machine> get a 2nd hdd
[16:38] <BloodyTux> Can't
[16:38] <BloodyTux> ...
[16:38] <The_Machine> don't even touch the NTFS
[16:38] <WaltzingAlong> BloodyTux: or get vmware and seamlessrdp working http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-870334588969932096
[16:38] <The_Machine> why not?
[16:38] <BloodyTux> Parents....
[16:38] <BloodyTux> *sighs*
[16:38] <The_Machine> are you like, 13?
[16:38] <ima-n00b> cant use sudo anymore
[16:38] <BloodyTux> 16...
[16:39] <sub[t]rnl> ima-n00b: whats the exact error
[16:39] <The_Machine> time to grow some, friend.  :)
[16:39] <Hamra> at work, i have kubuntu installed with windows, the default is windows with a time for the menu 1 second, no one noticed anything, my boss never even noticed the 10 gb missing :P
[16:39] <The_Machine> (i kid.)
[16:39] <RytmenPinnen> BloodyTux, buy yer own computer :)
[16:39] <ima-n00b> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<<
[16:39] <ima-n00b> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 11
[16:39] <The_Machine> yeah
[16:39] <The_Machine> you can get a good PC for like, $200 on craigslist
[16:39] <mayeco> kdesu?
[16:39] <BloodyTux> I wish... I spent all my cash on a PS3
[16:39] <The_Machine> (assuming you're in the USA)
[16:39] <RytmenPinnen> that's what I did 1 year after we got our "modern" family computer
[16:39] <WaltzingAlong> BloodyTux: ask them to just try it for 3 weeks. help them through the transition. show them useful things like printing, openoffice.org, multiple desktops, browsing the web, so on (the things they knew how to do in ms windows)
[16:39] <The_Machine> install kubuntu on your PS3
[16:40] <BloodyTux> and YDL doesn't work on my TV
[16:40] <vzduch> BloodyTux: your fault
[16:40] <vzduch> ;)
[16:40] <Hamra> did i just see a bot "ubotu" leaving the server?
[16:40] <RytmenPinnen> install linux on that then :D
[16:40] <atlfalcons866> ps3 is mad slow
[16:40] <The_Machine> isn't that bad
[16:40] <ima-n00b> i used smb4k.. and set the mounting options in the configuring section.. and now i get the sudo error
[16:40] <atlfalcons866> i have ps3 and installed ubuntu on it and it was slow
[16:40] <BloodyTux> I have a SD TV so text is unreadable
[16:40] <atlfalcons866> you only have 200MB ram
[16:40] <ima-n00b> just spent all night installing :(
[16:40] <vzduch> you can get a decently useable used machine (PIII/Thunderbird class) for EUR50 incl. monitor and printer off Ebay w/ a bit of luck
[16:41] <BloodyTux> Dude, Ubuntu doesn't work well on ps3, you need YDL
[16:41] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: in gentoo the PS1-line is: PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]'
[16:41] <atlfalcons866> whats thunderbird
[16:41] <poison--> !GUTSY
[16:41] <Ubotwo> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[16:41] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: so replace that old PS1-line in your /etc/profile with that
[16:41] <atlfalcons866> !breezy
[16:41] <hasse> hey, i have a archive compressed with .ace, when i try to unace it with : #unace x archive.* it completes but dont extract anything, if i try on a windows there's no problem
[16:41] <Ubotwo> Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger) was the third release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 13, 2007. See !eol for more details.
[16:41] <vzduch> atlfalcons866: AMD Athlon (not Athlon XP)
[16:41] <hasse> !unace
[16:41] <Ubotwo> Factoid unace not found
[16:41] <atlfalcons866> ok
[16:41] <vzduch> !info unace
[16:41] <Ubotwo> Package unace does not exist in
[16:41] <atlfalcons866> !warty
[16:41] <Ubotwo> Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog) was the first release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: April 30, 2006. See !eol for more details.
[16:41] <poison--> is gutsy issues allowed yet?
[16:42] <The_Machine> BloodyTux, how are you liking the PS3?
[16:42] <LjL> poison--: sure
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> feel free to play with the bot in a private chat with Ubotwo
[16:42] <atlfalcons866> !hoary
[16:42] <Ubotwo> Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) was the second release of Ubuntu.  End Of Life: October 31, 2006. See !eol for more details.
[16:42] <BloodyTux> PS3 rocks
[16:42] <poison--> LjL, how2 play mp3s now?
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> poison--: of course!
[16:42] <BloodyTux> Best ever.
[16:42] <poison--> still libxine1?
[16:42] <The_Machine> how long have you had it?
[16:42] <BloodyTux> Since July
[16:42] <poison--> damn Dolphin rocks
[16:42] <choco_hopper> i have a little problem with blender. it's freezing my computer on opening any menu. any ideas?
[16:42] <LjL> poison--: libxine1-ffmpeg should do it
[16:42] <jjj__> can i request for ubuntu cds and kubuntu ON EVERY release? I have a slow internet conection and my only resort is to request for them...I like giving copies of it to my classmates...
[16:42] <atlfalcons866> my ps3 hasnt froze on me yet :)
[16:42] <The_Machine> heh
[16:42] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: and it should work after you start konsole again, or run "source /etc/profile"
[16:42] <RytmenPinnen> finally I got past "preparing the upgrade" without errors (this channels is somewhat flooded)
[16:42] <poison--> !mp3
[16:42] <Vermux> what is better for displaying content of files ? cat or less/more ??
[16:42] <jjj__> can i request for ubuntu cds and kubuntu ON EVERY release? I have a slow internet conection and my only resort is to request for them...I like giving copies of it to my classmates...
[16:42] <Ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:43] <hasse> anyone's a ace archive wizard ?
[16:43] <The_Machine> jjj__, you don't ask here man.
[16:43] <atlfalcons866> !dapper
[16:43] <Ubotwo> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[16:43] <BloodyTux> atlfalcons866: what's your PSN?
[16:43] <The_Machine> go to shipit
[16:43] <LjL> !botabuse
[16:43] <The_Machine> atlfalcons866, ??
[16:43] <Ubotwo> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[16:43] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: depends. i usually use less
[16:43] <atlfalcons866> the_machine skyfalcon866
[16:43] <atlfalcons866> i think
[16:43] <BloodyTux> which one???
[16:43] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: with cat It doesnt pauses at the end of each page of a file?
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> LjL: how to get the name changed from factoids?
[16:44] <atlfalcons866> g2g
[16:44] <LjL> WaltzingAlong: the name changed?
[16:44] <lee986321> erg....I  just realised something....the adio is so crisp and clear I heard something that was in a sound track that wasnt there befor....
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> i think Vermux cat defaults to spitting it all out
[16:44] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: ok
[16:44] <lee986321> they really did a great job on the soundsystem part
[16:44] <WaltzingAlong> factoids. it is misused. meant to mean "small" fact but really the ~oid like humanoid means something less than human; so factoid should be not a fact
[16:44] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: is it working?
[16:45] <RytmenPinnen> what the heck, now it started from the beginning.......................... !! aaaaaah, now I got that error again
[16:45] <Vermux> how do I c computer specifications in kubuntu?
[16:45] <RytmenPinnen> I'm having serious problems updating
[16:45] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: kinfocenter  ?
[16:45] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: no
[16:45] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: so did you replace that ps1-line?
[16:45] <CPrgmSwR2> yes
[16:46] <Pantha> and tried that "source /etc/profile"?
[16:46] <LjL> WaltzingAlong: heh come on it's just a name
[16:46] <CPrgmSwR2> I even restarted konsole
[16:46] <WaltzingAlong> sure sure that is how it starts ;D
[16:46] <Assid> hey
[16:46] <Assid> major issue in the live disc
[16:46] <Assid> kopete crashes
[16:46] <sub[t]rnl> !waltz
[16:46] <Ubotwo> Factoid waltz not found
[16:46] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[16:46] <WaltzingAlong> lol
[16:46] <Assid> i cant connect to msn on it
[16:47] <WaltzingAlong> Assid: sure grab the patch
[16:47] <LjL> !botabuse
[16:47] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[16:47] <LjL> please
[16:47] <Ubotwo> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[16:47] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: those colours don't change after that source-command?
[16:47] <jer_> No problems here! Except um... Wireless Ethernet card. Adaptability issues with Toshiba.
[16:47] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[16:47] <LiL-JoN> can soembody help me with this error http://pastebin.com/m6b6a4686
[16:47] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: there is no general screen with cpu Ram speed?
[16:47] <jer_> And my sound isn't working. Go figure.
[16:47] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: not the ones in cmake
[16:47] <Assid> WaltzingAlong: am reinstalling atm
[16:47] <Assid> will do it when i finish installing
[16:47] <vzduch> LjL: what's the problem
[16:47] <vzduch> ?
[16:47] <LjL> vzduch: that the bot shouldn't be abused?
[16:47] <LiL-JoN> me?
[16:47] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: oh.. it might use some other file for its color-settings
[16:47] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: The beauty with colors in cmake is that it points out errors
[16:48] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: like ms windows task manager?
[16:48] <vzduch> LjL: I can't see it being abused atm
[16:48] <sub[t]rnl> LjL: sorry, was just joking with waltz earlier that I should be able to trigger him for the kopete .deb
[16:48] <Assid> alrite.. letting this install as we speak
[16:48] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: directories do show up as blue
[16:48] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: htop can give you some of that. there is a prog like that with ubuntu (gnome)
[16:48] <Assid> im gonna watch "final cut"
[16:48] <LjL> vzduch: well, i can
[16:48] <LiL-JoN> can soembody help me with this error http://pastebin.com/m6b6a4686
[16:48] <Jucato> vzduch: [23:46] <sub[t]rnl> !waltz
[16:48] <sub[t]rnl> Vermux: lspci, df, free, are all commands that will give system info
[16:49] <Jucato> Vermux: there's also ksysguard
[16:49] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: but whats weird is by default cmake colorize its text
[16:49] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: but one to give it all together in a nice package? some desktop applets i guess
[16:49] <mike-kubuntu> does anyone have the color scheme to get the windows to look like they did in fiesty?
[16:49] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: so someone had to manually modify cmake to make it un-colorized
[16:49] <vzduch> Jucato: you can wet your pants for one single command that doesn't exist.. *shakingHead*
[16:50] <arash> is the stable version of 7.10 out yet?
[16:50] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: ok so check the permissions:   ls -lh /home/jon/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[16:50] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: kinfocenter doesnt give all at once?
[16:50] <Jucato> vzduch: at this point in time, the bots are under heavy usage because of the latest release
[16:50] <sub[t]rnl> arash: yup
[16:50] <Jucato> vzduch: every improper use of the bot leads to unnecessary load
[16:50] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: run that in terminal?
[16:50] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: sure all in that one program but not altogether. maybe you want to see on one screen cpu/ram/hd space/ and so on
[16:50] <Jucato> vzduch: specially if the wrong factoid was called on purpose
[16:50] <vzduch> Jucato: and then you trigger !botabuse.. another unnecessary load.. :P
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: sure
[16:51] <Vermux> Jucato: ksysguard is like task manager in Win?
[16:51] <Jucato> Vermux: yeah
[16:51] <Vermux> ok
[16:51] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: maybe cmake doesn't recognize your console-program and that's why it doesn't use colors
[16:51] <Jucato> Vermux: although pressing Ctrl+Esc brings up just the Processes list
[16:51] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: this happens every time i close dolphin
[16:51] <sub[t]rnl> Vermux: but better, you can tailor your own worksheets if you want
[16:51] <Pantha> CPrgmSwR2: have you tried it with some other consoles?
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: sure every time it tries write to a file on which it does not have the permission to write
[16:51] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: heres the output of that command "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K 2007-10-19 08:38 /home/jon/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml"
[16:51] <CPrgmSwR2> Pantha: I used gentoo in the paste and worked fine with konsole
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: and there you have it. must have opened dolphin as sudo so now that file is owned by root but you should see jon jon there instead
[16:52] <jer_> Question: Before I updated Ubuntu 7.06 to 7.10 - my sound was working fine. When I updated to 7.10 my sound isn't working anymore - instead I only hear a faint audio, probably coming from another internal speaker for "beeps" , etc . . . How can this be fixed?
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> LiL-JoN: so change it to you. sudo chown jon:jon /home/jon/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[16:52] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: how do i fix?
[16:52] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: waht is htop\? do I need it?
[16:52] <sub[t]rnl> jer_: alsamixer
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !info htop | Vermux
[16:52] <Ubotwo> vermux: Package htop does not exist in
[16:52] <LiL-JoN> WaltzingAlong: your a life saver
[16:53] <LjL> WaltzingAlong: sorry, package lookup is not available
[16:53] <jer_> subttrnl - alsamixer - enable this?
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: not needed, just shows same stuff as in 'top' but maybe in a nicer way
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> LjL: thanks, noticed that
[16:53] <sub[t]rnl> jer_: run it from a cli (command line interface)
[16:53] <sub[t]rnl> jer_: open konsole, and then run alsamixer.  You can mute the front ends or adjust volumes.  See if that helps
[16:54] <RytmenPinnen> I'm having trouble updating, when the updater is preparing for update I get an error: Error during update, Failed to fetch http://mirror3.ubuntu.com/dists/feisty-seveas/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'mirror3.ubuntu.com' + a bunch of other sources . Does anyone else have this problem?=
[16:54] <gns_nobody> #kubuntu-de
[16:54] <jer_> sub(t)rnl - what would the run command for that look like? in konsole?
[16:54] <Vermux> sub[t]rnl: lspci gives information that ksysguard doesnt have?
[16:54] <RytmenPinnen> pastebin doesnt seem to be working for me either..... dunno why
[16:54] <_3mti_> Cy4 all & THX 4 HELP !!! QUAKE III EXCESSIVEPLUS on Linux 64!!! I love this game !!!
[16:54] <_3mti_> cy4 all
[16:55] <sub[t]rnl> jer_: alsamixer
[16:55] <WaltzingAlong> RytmenPinnen: there are several http://pastebin.com
[16:55] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: are you updating to gutsy? or just plain updating?
[16:55] <RytmenPinnen> to gutsy, from feisty
[16:55] <jer_> subt[t]rnl - OK. that worked.  It says Master, PCM, MIC, Caller I, Off Hook.
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: been a long day?!
[16:56] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: it's best that you disable 3rd party repos
[16:56] <bjwebb> hi
[16:56] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: quite
[16:56]  * bjwebb is running kde4
[16:56] <RytmenPinnen> k
[16:56] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: is it nice?
[16:56] <bjwebb> erm
[16:56] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: ksysguard crushed
[16:56] <LiL-JoN> bjwebb: screenshot me
[16:56] <bjwebb> its seems slow
[16:56] <jer_> subt[t]rnl - PCM is 100<>100, Mic is as well. Master is 00, but nothing else.
[16:57] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: yeah... I think it still has all the debugging stuff turned on
[16:57] <sub[t]rnl> jer_: use your keyboard direction keys to navigate and adjust volumes. "M" will unmute any muted channels
[16:57] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: correction: kinfocenter crushed when I click on GL
[16:57] <bjwebb> can i turn it off, because it makes my 1GB machine look silly
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: is it RAM use? or CPU?
[16:58] <miesjel_> ik krijg geen verbinding met mijn newsserver via klibido
[16:58] <bjwebb> nosrednaekim: not sure
[16:58] <bjwebb> it just feels slow
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: its been two days for me...heh
[16:58] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: open GL
[16:58] <utnubuk> i messed up my upgrade - when I fetch updates in adept the version upgrade button turns on - when I click it the upgrade utility begins to run and then gives an error because I'm already upgraded...
[16:58] <utnubuk> how can I fix this?
[16:58] <miesjel_> i can't get klibido to connect with my newsserver
[16:58] <utnubuk> some kind of dpkg?
[16:58] <mike-kubuntu> how do you change the color of the window bers?
[16:58] <blck> hi @ all
[16:58] <bjwebb> i don't appear to have a menu
[16:59] <Jucato> bjwebb: kde4? that's normal
[16:59] <AmyRose> What do I have to do to re-enable apport's crash reporting?
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: right click on the desktop, run command, run "kickoff"
[16:59] <Jucato> it was only a bit later that the kickoff menu was added
[16:59] <AmyRose> I selected to start KDE with a blank session and am no longer getting anything from Apport
[16:59] <Jucato> or it is... whatever :P
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: its in Beta 3
[16:59] <blck> my kopete crashed every time i want to connect to msn, because of an programming mistake how can i change that
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> bug 153500\
[16:59] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: ^^^^
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> bug 153500
[16:59] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[16:59] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: doesn't work here
[16:59] <Vermux> Jucato: kinfocenter crushes when I click on open GL, I think it is a bug
[16:59] <nosrednaekim> err! I have to rembeber tht link!
[17:00] <bjwebb> thats nice, can i actually have it popuping up from my menu?
[17:00] <Jucato> Vermux: ksysguard, not kinfocenter
[17:00] <RytmenPinnen> thanks Jucato, sems to be working now.
[17:00] <Jucato> bjwebb: right-click on the desktop -> Add Applet, look for Application Launcher, and drag and drop to the panel
[17:00] <Vermux> Jucato: no, kinfocenter
[17:01] <miesjel_> i can't get klibido to connect with my newsserver, how can i connect?
[17:01] <AmyRose> or at least is there a way to find out what is starting in a default Kubuntu session?
[17:01] <bjwebb> this object could not be created
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> bjwebb: not yet I don't think.
[17:01] <sub[t]rnl> blck: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> he's gone or else I would have had that b4 you ;)
[17:01] <wsjunior> kopete is crashing attempting to connect to msn, how to solve it?
[17:01] <mhterres_> anybody can help with auth-client-config ?
[17:01] <AmyRose> wsjunior: Follow sub[t]rnl's link
[17:01] <nosrednaekim> wsjunior: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:01] <sub[t]rnl> nosrednaekim: pfft my dad can beat up your dad
[17:02] <mhterres_> I can't authenticate in Gutsy using LDAP :-(
[17:02] <Vermux> Jucato: check that. I think it is a bug
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: what video card do you have?
[17:02] <wsjunior> new kdelibs to fix a kopete issue?
[17:02] <Jucato> I don't know. I can't check it right now. if it is, file a bug report
[17:02] <nosrednaekim> wsjunior: indeed
[17:02] <Jucato> wsjunior: yes. for the kopete crashing
[17:02] <AmyRose> wsjunior: Yes. Because the problem is caused by KIO_HTTP
[17:03] <wsjunior> got it :)
[17:03] <ScorpKing> LiL-JoN: hiya!
[17:03] <jer_> subt[t]rnl - Hmm, nothing seems to be working. Master doesn't have a volume option. PCM and Mic toggling doesn't seem to affect it.
[17:04] <AmyRose> !hi | ScorpKing
[17:04] <Ubotwo> ScorpKing: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[17:04] <jer_> sorry bad connection
[17:04] <bjwebb> whoever asked for a snapshot: ksnapshot crashes
[17:04] <lee986321> any one in here with a  x 300 I just need to verifie its ram befor I go "poking" and "peeking" in my code
[17:04] <AmyRose> wsjunior: It shouldn't be that much of a surprise since kdelibs affects all of KDE ;)
[17:04] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: where do I check that?
[17:04] <ScorpKing> :P
[17:04] <lee986321> hmm actually poking and peeking would be used for audio now taht I remeber
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: lspci | grep vga
[17:05] <mike-kubuntu> kde4's probably slow now because they still have extra checks for bug reporting in it
[17:05] <jer_> so the alsa mixer doesn't have too many options . . . .
[17:05] <lee986321> OOOOH COOLIO I can control the volume by using my mouse wheel
[17:05] <jer_> Master, PCM, MIC . . . Master has no volume for some reason. Just mute or un mute.
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I hate that that feature isn't in Vista!
[17:06] <mike-kubuntu> lee986321: how?
[17:06] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: nothing happans when I type it
[17:06] <miesjel_> can somebody help out with a klibido-prob?
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: scroll over the kmix applet
[17:06] <AmyRose> lee986321: My laptop has a knob for that, which is even cooler! =P
[17:06] <lee986321> just rest the mouse on the Icon
[17:06] <lee986321> witthe speaker
[17:06] <mike-kubuntu> ah
[17:06] <mike-kubuntu> cool
[17:06] <kobaia> kubuntu only lets my keyboard volume go from 0-11% and mute does not mute it
[17:06] <miesjel_> cannot connect to newsserver...pan works okay but find it very cumbersome
[17:06] <kobaia> or from 100-89%
[17:07] <Dorgendubal> can someone tell me how I can configure compiz from KDE. I'm using 7.10
[17:07] <lee986321> it seems taht many of the interactiv Icons can do that
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> kobaia: same thing happened here until I manually set the volume up and down to the master channel
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> Dorgendubal: what video card?
[17:07] <Dorgendubal> ATI
[17:07] <AmyRose> aww...
[17:07] <lee986321> resting the  mouse at the botom of the chat line alows you to flip between windows
[17:07]  * AmyRose hugs Dorgendubal for having ATI
[17:07] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: does the information u r looking for is the following? : 1:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01)
[17:08] <ghozala> hi can anyone tell if this there is an amarok help channel here  in irc
[17:08] <jer_> Question: How do I enable the master channel volume? It's missing on my Ubuntu....
[17:08] <CPrgmSwR2> Dorgendubal: download the latest 8.40 drivers from amd.com
[17:08] <CPrgmSwR2> then kde4 runs nice and fast
[17:08] <CPrgmSwR2> the drivers that are in kubuntu don't work well with kde4
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> Dorgendubal: get the proprietayr drivers with the restricted-manager-kde then install xserver-xgl
[17:08] <excitatory> ghozala: #amarok
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> CPrgmSwR2: he isn't talking about kde4
[17:08] <Hamra> in adept manager, the install is complete, i see dpkg run finished, but is till see the 100% bar, and not the update complete page, is it safe to close adept?
[17:08] <ghozala> thanks
[17:08] <CPrgmSwR2> oh
[17:08] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: thats what I thought....happenes to me in fiesty on my via
[17:08] <AmyRose> CPrgmSwR2: Yeah, Dorgendubal is talking about running Compiz
[17:08] <bjwebb> CPrgmSwR2: i was the one talking about kde4 being slow
[17:08] <lee986321> and resting the mouse on the Icon of Ameroch will change its volume aswell
[17:08] <bjwebb> Hamra: not really
[17:09] <Dorgendubal> I don't have any problem with my video card. I'm looking for something similar as gnome-compiz-manager
[17:09] <kobaia> nosrednaekim: not quite sure i get what you mean by setting the volume up and down to the MC
[17:09] <lee986321>  you can't do that with windows
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> kobaia: in kmix go to settings->global shortcuts
[17:09] <AmyRose> bjwebb: You're lucky. All KDE 4 ever does for me is crash on startup
[17:09] <lee986321> erg
[17:09] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: what is open GL,. what does it suppose to display?
[17:09] <lee986321> Not running kd4
[17:09] <Dorgendubal>   I don't have any problem with my video card. I'm looking for something similar as gnome-compiz-manager (same right color)
[17:09] <bjwebb> AmyRose: :D
[17:09] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: if you had a version installed before, you may want to delete the .kde4 dir
[17:09] <lee986321> or am I?
[17:09] <AmyRose> Vermux: It allows programs to do 3D without slowness if your hardware supports it
[17:10] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I didn't, and I have no .kde4
[17:10] <AmyRose> I checked that already
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: your ability or inability to play/do 3D games/stuff
[17:10] <bjwebb> nosrednaekim: maybe i should have done that
[17:10] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Or the way things seem to be headed, your ability or inability to run X in the future :(
[17:10] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: ok, so the video card is not good enough?
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: eh?
[17:11] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: They're talking about scrapping X as it is and rewriting it on top of OpenGL, which would break support for my old computer
[17:11] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: I also had a problem watching stream of video in web sites.
[17:11] <sub[t]rnl> Dragnslcr: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:11] <Hamra> thanks bjwebb, you saved me, adept is installing something else now
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: VIA's have problems with 3d accel or anything requiring openGL
[17:11] <ChrisMir> argh, great... upgrade tool crashed :(
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> !via | Vermux
[17:11] <Ubotwo> Factoid via not found
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> !unichrome | Vermux
[17:11] <lee986321> erg
[17:12] <Ubotwo> Factoid unichrome not found
[17:12] <AmyRose> !test
[17:12] <Ubotwo> Failed.
[17:12] <AmyRose> haha
[17:12] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: package info not avaialble remember?
[17:12] <AmyRose> yay, I failed!
[17:12] <LjL> Jucato: besides, it wouldn't work without !info anyway ;)
[17:12] <lee986321> maybe theyl have 2 types, they'ss save x for oldersytems and write the opengl for the newer systems
[17:12] <Jucato> yeah
[17:12] <AmyRose> Jucato: But I don't remember any packages called "via" or "unichrome"
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: that wasn't packages
[17:12] <ChrisMir> Are there known problems with upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10?
[17:12] <bjwebb> is kde4 in the gutsy repos built with fulldebug enabled?
[17:12] <AmyRose> lee986321: I sure hope so
[17:12] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: there's a handy !search command too
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> !search via
[17:13] <Ubotwo> Found: edubuntuhandbook, kdesvn, aptoncd, subversion, samba, ext3, alternate, ops-#edubuntu, terminal, gimpshop
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> pffft
[17:13] <lee986321> I am running a dell dimension 5150
[17:13] <jer_> So after my upgrade from 7.04 -> 7.10 . My sound isn't working. The master volume in Konsole for asla doesn't give me an option for master volume, it just has options mute or unmute.
[17:13] <lee986321> I think its considered Old lol
[17:13] <AmyRose> !gimpshop
[17:13] <Ubotwo> gimpshop is a hack that makes The Gimp look and feel more like Photoshop.  A .deb for Ubuntu is available via http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[17:13] <AmyRose> haha
[17:13] <kobaia> any update on getting 3d accelerated desktops working with ATI x1900?
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: yes?
[17:13] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: in other words, it is a shi**y video card?
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 and toward the bottom are downloads (the updates will be available in the normal repositories when they have been thawed)
[17:13] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: nvm :)
[17:13] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 153500 in kdelibs "Kopete crashes on startup" [High,Fix committed]
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: precisely
[17:14] <lee986321> AmyRose this might be sacralage but have you tried Free spire?
[17:14] <kobaia> is there a fix to the kopete crashes everytime you try to connect, yet?
[17:14] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: VIA? of course it's is! :)
[17:14] <AmyRose> lee986321: Yes, and I FREAKING HATED IT
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> yay! bug botis back!
[17:14] <ChrisMir> What is the best way to revive from a crashed upgrade?
[17:14] <lee986321> lol
[17:14] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: Ic. it explains also why I cant watch video stream smoothly embeded in a web site
[17:14] <AmyRose> lee986321: I tried it in a VM and couldn't not stand the fact that its default search engine is Live
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: yup... they are the bottom of the bottom line.
[17:14] <GS3User007> how do i check what the OS sees my ip as?
[17:14] <lee986321> ahh
[17:14] <AmyRose> lee986321: Also, doing updates broke the whole thing
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> GS3User007: ifconfig
[17:15] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: who, via|?
[17:15] <GS3User007> thanks
[17:15] <lee986321> ouch
[17:15] <jer_> Does anyone know how to fix the sound on Ubuntu?
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> GS3User007: or click on the Network manager
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: yeah
[17:15] <Jucato> Vermux: all the VIA S3 video cards can basically do well is just display..
[17:15] <letalis> is there a utility in linux thatll make a 1:1 copy of an iso image on a flash drive?
[17:15] <lee986321> define fix...lol
[17:15] <AmyRose> letalis: Yeah, dd
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> !persistent
[17:15] <Ubotwo> Factoid persistent not found
[17:15]  * nosrednaekim keeps forgetting
[17:15] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: no that wouldn't be persistent
[17:16] <jer_> lee - the master voluem is missing. you can hear a faint sound but it's from inside the computer (laptop -toshiba)
[17:16] <letalis> awesome i thought that it might i couldnt remember. thanks
[17:16] <lee986321> how about gentoo? AmyRose?
[17:16] <AmyRose> lee986321: I got bored waiting for it to install
[17:16] <lee986321> hmm
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> !ot
[17:16] <Ubotwo> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[17:16] <lee986321> LOL
[17:16] <jer_> :D
[17:16] <AmyRose> lee986321: Yeah, we should move this to #kubuntu-offtopic (and I'm already /joined there)
[17:17] <lee986321> true
[17:17] <ChrisMir> *sigh* Is there anyone who can at least point me at the right direction, concerning my crahsed upgraded?
[17:17] <lee986321> any how back on topipc
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> ChrisMir: is it possible for you to resume?
[17:18] <Pantha> ChrisMir: i had problems too, and i found it easiest to reinstall from scratch
[17:18] <dedors> mhm my xorg uses 20% cpu (of a 3200+), fglrx and NO xgl
[17:18] <ChrisMir> I dont have a resume button atm. I'm in the upgrade tool, but it is just sitting there doing nothing
[17:18] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: via specialize in mini ITX?
[17:18] <The_Machine> is there a repository i can add that will add the win32 codec package so i can view whatever in Kaffiene?
[17:18] <jer_> The asla mixer on Konsole is working fine. However the master volume in there is gone. PCM and MIC volume is there . . .
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: yup
[17:18] <ChrisMir> Pantha: That's a poor mans solution. I wish to upgrade :)
[17:19] <ChrisMir> The upgrade tool warns me when trying to close the app.
[17:19] <Pantha> ChrisMir: yeah, but nothing seemed to work anymore, so i had to =)
[17:19] <jer_> My two audio opptions are RealTek ALC861 (OSS Mixer) annndd... HDA Intel (asla mixer) - the sound is not working. What do I do? Anyyyone?
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> jer_: use the Alsa one.
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> !win32 | The_Machine
[17:20] <Ubotwo> Factoid win32 not found
[17:20] <jer_> nosrednaekim - ok, so it gives me 3 options on HDA Alsa Mixer
[17:21] <jer_> PCM, Mic, Capture
[17:21] <jer_> Select PCM?
[17:21] <WaltzingAlong> The_Machine: grab w32codecs
[17:21] <The_Machine> from where?
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> jer_: umm try the OSS one then ?
[17:21] <ChrisMir> well. I closed the upgrade tool. Lets see if apt can resume the upgrade
[17:21] <jer_> nosrednaekim - Gotcha. Volume option is there, so I selected it . . . .
[17:21] <sonic> can you run OS X virtualized in kubuntu?
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> jer_: and......
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> sonic: yes, but it is illegal unless you buy a copy of the OS
[17:22] <jer_> nosrednaekim - now the volume can be heard, but extremely low, like it's coming from inside the laptop and not the two speakers.
[17:22] <sonic> nosrednaekim: xen or vmaware?
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> The_Machine: multiverse ?
[17:23] <sonic> nosrednaekim: *vmware*
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> jer_: what are you playing the sounds with?
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> sonic: IDK, google it
[17:24] <jer_> nosrednaekim - currently using the default movie  player for an mp3
[17:24] <The_Machine> good question.  checking.
[17:24] <philipp_> hi
[17:24] <jer_> nosrednakeim - anddd sadly the volume is all the way up.
[17:24] <philipp_> i have kubuntu gutsy installed on my laptop
[17:24] <emilsedgh> !hi | philipp_
[17:24] <Ubotwo> philipp_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> jer_: try using amarok
[17:25] <philipp_> and i encounter some serious problem: dropdown menus begin to jitter when i click on them. This is serious becaus i can't select anything nor see what i could select...
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> !enter | philipp_
[17:25] <philipp_> is there anyone who encounters the same?
[17:25] <Ubotwo> philipp_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[17:25] <philipp_> ok
[17:25] <philipp_> sorry
[17:25] <jer_> nosrednaekim - that's a music player?
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: do you have any sort of menu transparency turned on?
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> jer_: yes, should be installed by default
[17:25] <ChrisMir> argh.. sudo dpkg --configure -a gives this:
[17:25] <ChrisMir> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0003' near line 2 package `libc6':
[17:25] <ChrisMir>  `triggers-pendi' is not allowed for third (status) word in `status' field
[17:26] <jer_> noesrednaekim - weird. it's not installed. i have ubuntu 7.10
[17:26] <philipp_> nosrednaekim: i had compiz-fusion and emerald installed - but it was so unstable. i didn't uninstall it, but i don't use it anymore... transparency: i don't know anything specific about it... where can i look that up?
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> jer_: with kubntu 7.10 you get amarok
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntu*
[17:26] <jer_> ahh... I've got Ubuntu so....
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> jer_: #ubuntu for ubuntu users ;)
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> jer_: maybe check #ubuntu ? but of course you could install amarok with ubuntu
[17:26] <wsjunior> which is the package that contains gimp translations?! i mean support for other languages than english
[17:26] <vzduch> jer_: ..so you're in the wrong channel :P
[17:27] <jer_> Rofl, sweet
[17:27] <jer_> Thanks though
[17:27] <wsjunior> btw, the kdelibs fix solved the problem with kopete ;-)
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: did you install XGL?
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> wsjunior: sweet
[17:27] <LiL-JoN> jer_: sudo apt-get install amarok
[17:27] <kobaia> wsjunior: which one is that?
[17:27] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: hey..
[17:27] <thid> did then add compizfusion to kubuntu 7.10?
[17:28] <rinaldi> hey has anyone had problems upgrading to 7.1 in adept?
[17:28] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: hey
[17:28] <philipp_> nosrednaekim: yes, XGL is installed and i use it
[17:28] <ChrisMir> rinaldi: yes. I'm in the middle of an upgrade problem too :(
[17:28] <rinaldi> I've fully updated but im not being prompted for version upgrade nor is there a version upgrade button...
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: don't use XGL with kwin ;)
[17:28] <ChrisMir> system seems realy borked
[17:29] <ChrisMir> rinaldi: Perhaps close and reopen adept
[17:29] <newsense07> rinaldi: did ya check pre-released updates in adept-manager ?
[17:29] <rinaldi> yeh done that and reboooted
[17:29] <rinaldi> any ideas anyone
[17:29] <philipp_> nosrednaekim: okay, when i just remove the package with APT - does it set automatically to use the plain xserver?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> ChrisMir: better back up your data!
[17:31] <ChrisMir> Already did that to start with ;-)
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> philipp_: yeah
[17:31] <ChrisMir> still, a reinstall would cost me a lot of time setting up stuff :(
[17:31] <WaltzingAlong> rinaldi: which problem?
[17:31] <philipp_> nosrednaekim: thanks for your help!
[17:32] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[17:32] <rinaldi> walzingalong: theres no upgrade version available in adept
[17:32] <The_Machine> i don't see xine-lib in any of the repositories either
[17:33] <The_Machine> could someone do an apt-cache search and see if they see it in there?
[17:33] <ubuntu_> I have a problem with a german installation hanging at (translated) "Language packuages are being installed".
[17:33] <The_Machine> just so i know i'm not missing anything
[17:33] <Assid> hey
[17:33] <rinaldi> oh ok il try that then
[17:33] <kotelo> hi!
[17:33] <ubuntu_> That's the message in the window title. The window itself says  (again translated from german): "Language packuages are being downloaded".
[17:33] <kotelo> i have a question!
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: eh... what are you trying to install?
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> kotelo: ask!
[17:34] <ubuntu_> Can I somehow skip this point?
[17:34] <kotelo> how can i install beryl or compiz fusion in kubuntu 7.10?
[17:34] <Assid> man the live disc installaton has alot of issues
[17:34] <Assid> i mean alot
[17:34] <Assid> i cant see the boot up screen
[17:34] <Corp> are the win32codecs broken in gusty
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> kotelo: what video card?
[17:34] <WaltzingAlong> rinaldi: it can take a moment for adept to realize the update is available. you could force it to check with kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade"
[17:34] <Ertain> Dang, are the Ubuntu servers still getting hammered?  I mean by the people updating?
[17:34] <kotelo> nosrednaekim, ati
[17:34] <Assid> the kubuntu loader just doesnt come on.. i dont know whats happening while  its starting up
[17:34] <kotelo> the drivers are installed
[17:34] <kotelo> direct rendering: Yes
[17:34] <kotelo> :D
[17:35] <kotelo> xD
[17:35] <Assid> anyone know whats up with this?
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> kotelo: the proprietary drivers?
[17:35] <kotelo> yeah
[17:35] <QwertyM> How do I install that new Amarok version ?
[17:36] <Corp> and what is the synaptic = in k
[17:36] <WaltzingAlong> synaptic is for gnome
[17:36] <Corp> in know
[17:36] <Ertain> Adept
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> Corp: adept
[17:36] <Corp> thanks
[17:36]  * The_Machine likes adept
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> kotelo: you need xerver-xgl and compiz-kde, log out, and log back in :)
[17:37] <The_Machine> nosrednaekim, xine-lib
[17:37] <kotelo> apt-get install compiz-kde xserver-xgl
[17:37] <kotelo> that's all?
[17:37] <The_Machine> (divx codecs for kaffeine)
[17:37] <Corp> has anyone tried installing gusty and found the win32codecs broken or undownloadable?
[17:37] <sam64> I have a problem with apt.. its a quick fix, but I forgot how to do it
[17:37] <The_Machine> Corp, i don't see them there at all.
[17:37] <The_Machine> i just got them manually.
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> kotelo: yeah
[17:37] <Corp> what does purge from adept mean
[17:38] <kotelo> nosrednaekim, thanks man
[17:38] <kotelo> :)
[17:38] <Assid> err.. can someone help me with this
[17:38] <vzduch> !aptfix | sam64, you mean that? -->
[17:38] <Corp> request purge
[17:38] <The_Machine> delete downloaded files i thought, Corp
[17:38] <Assid> i dont gret the kubuntu loader
[17:38] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: I don't think those have the divx stuff. search for divx in adept
[17:38] <Assid> the one you get during the startup (after grub)
[17:38] <mike-kubuntu> aanyone eelse getting a freeze on amd64 using gmail in firefox?
[17:38] <Corp> The_Machine, did you try just searching codecs
[17:38] <The_Machine> i did corp
[17:38] <The_Machine> nothing.
[17:39] <Corp> I had them there untill I pressed purge
[17:39] <The_Machine> heh
[17:39] <The_Machine> do you have any third party repos enabled?
[17:39] <hero> !crypto
[17:39] <Ubotwo> Factoid crypto not found
[17:39] <utnubuk> I seem to have lost the channel list thing on the left in konversation, anybody know how to get it back??
[17:39] <Corp> oh I know you need to modify your surces lists The_Machine
[17:40] <utnubuk> the panel that tells you what server you're connected to and which channels you're in
[17:40] <sam64> vzduch: I think that was it, but I cant se very good in this program.. and I can install the one I like
[17:40] <The_Machine> Corp, that's the same as changing repos in Adept.  Question is, are you talking about adding another repository, or just enabling something that's disabled by default?
[17:41] <Cugel> Say guys, I thought dolphin was the file manager in Kubuntu. But after upgrading I still only have konqueror. Any guesses/tips?
[17:41] <sam64> vzduch: What context would that be used in?
[17:42] <Corp> The_Machine, yes disabled by default or might just need to be added I don't know I always make automatix do my sources list
[17:42] <LjL> Ubotwo: part
[17:45] <shutdown> ciao ragazzi
[17:45] <shutdown> si parla in ITA qui?
[17:46] <LjL> !it
[17:46] <The_Machine> ewww
[17:46] <shutdown> ok
[17:46] <The_Machine> automatix :/
[17:46] <LjL> shutdown: #ubuntu-it
[17:46] <Assid> err.. can someone help me?
[17:46] <shutdown> LjL: Thank you so much!
[17:46] <Assid> i dont get the loader (after grub)
[17:48] <Assid> the system starts in the background.. no issues...
[17:48] <Vermux> does anybody uses mc?
[17:48] <Assid> but i want to have the darn kubuntu loader.. in the foreground
[17:49] <melomane> hi,can someone help me with my adsl connection?
[17:51] <LiL-JoN> !ping
[17:51] <ubotu> pong
[17:51] <LiL-JoN> !ping
[17:51] <melomane> i use pon to connect,i would like to do something to make it reconnect,when it is disconnected
[17:51] <LiL-JoN> !ping
[17:52] <sam64> how do I get apt to stop trying to install OOo?
[17:52] <cap601> I've just booted up Gutsy and all my panels have vanished.  How can I get them back?
[17:53] <sam64> alt-f2
[17:53] <sam64> then type 'kicker'
[17:53] <cap601> Thanks - Everything appears to be fine now
[17:54] <mike-kubuntu> gutsy is awesome
[17:54] <Assid> too many damn bugs
[17:54] <mike-kubuntu> i'm only getting one
[17:54] <zorglu_> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[17:54] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 156 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)
[17:54] <wsjunior> how do i tell gimp to use my native language?
[17:54] <huy> ok i have a major problem with gutsy
[17:55] <Assid> now my mouse stopped working
[17:55] <huy> i cant get my nvidia-glx-new to work with linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[17:55] <Assid> more bugs
[17:55] <ubuntu_> hi
[17:55] <Assid> bah.. works again
[17:55] <SoulChild> hey all,I have no eth1 device but there is eth2 and eth3 ? how do i fix ???
[17:55] <Assid> okay can someone help me please
[17:56] <huy> what's wrong Assid
[17:56] <Narada> hi in the new kubuntu how do i turn compiz effects on or how do i test them; i want to see some eye candy!!!!!
[17:56] <Assid> huy: i dont get the kubuntu loader
[17:56] <huy> what do you mean by the kubuntu loader?
[17:56] <sam64> I take it gutsy just came out?
[17:56] <Assid> if i use ALT F1 .. then i get to see whats happening.. when the machine boots
[17:56] <Assid> else i get nothing on th escreen
[17:56] <Narada> came out two days ago or something
[17:56] <huy> Assid: nothing at all?
[17:57] <Assid> nadda.. after grub.. it just sits there blank
[17:57] <huy> Assid: not even a progress bar and the word kubuntu?
[17:57] <Assid> huy: thats what i mean by the loader
[17:57] <huy> ok but after that did you system work ok?
[17:57] <huy> did you get to log in to X?
[17:57] <Assid> yeah.. the lcd backlight remains on all the time.. then it flickers and voila.. X
[17:57] <Assid> till then i have no idea whats up
[17:57] <huy> and everything else is ok
[17:58] <Assid> huy: seems to be
[17:58] <Assid> and oh ya .. the kopete buy
[17:58] <huy> ok then that's not a major problem
[17:58] <Assid> bug
[17:58] <huy> Assid: i think you just have a usplash problem
[17:58] <huy> try reinstalling usplash
[17:58] <Assid> usplash huh
[17:58] <spawn57> wow, it's gonna take forever to upgrade to gutsy
[17:58] <wsjunior> using fglrx im not able to use tty anymore, is there any way to fix it?
[17:59] <wsjunior> they have odd colored lines instead of the prompt
[17:59] <mdoe890> does kubuntu 7.10 include compiz fusion by default?
[17:59] <huy> Assid: yea usplash is the one that is responsible for the "loader"
[17:59] <Assid> okay whats the patch for kopete for msn ?
[17:59] <Assid> huy: okay.. i didnt know which package it was
[17:59] <spawn57> can I upgrade to gusty using the cd?
[17:59] <Vermux> !mc
[17:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:59] <Assid> reinstalling.. will check what happens
[18:00] <huy> Assid: don't use kopete, use pidgin
[18:00] <Vermux> nobody uses mc?
[18:00] <emilsedgh> !compiz | mdoe890
[18:00] <ubotu> mdoe890: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:00] <huy> spawn57: yes you can upgrade using the cd
[18:00] <huy> spawn57: download the cd, go into adept-manager, and then add the cd as sources
[18:00] <Vermux> huy: pidgin is better than Kopete?
[18:01] <DaleksUnited> anyone know how i can make the 'upgrade' button appear in adept?
[18:01] <spawn57> huy: can you tell me what line i have to add to my sources list?  I used apt-cdrom ..and did dist-upgrade but I's barely upgrading any packages
[18:01] <huy> spawn57: don't add it directly in your sources.list
[18:01] <huy> just use adept-manager
[18:01] <spawn57> oh
[18:01] <spawn57> alright
[18:01] <Vermux> does pidgin better than kopete?
[18:02] <huy> yes
[18:02] <Assid> huy: there should be a patch i think for kopete for the msn plugin
[18:02] <QwertyM> !amarok
[18:02] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[18:02] <huy> Assid: I don't use kopete so I'm sorry I can't help you
[18:02] <Assid> hrmm ok
[18:03] <AkiraYB> Assid: Kopete halts trying to enter MSN?!
[18:03] <sam64> Pidgin is much nicer than kopete.. more features and such
[18:03] <Assid> AkiraYB:  crashes
[18:03] <QwertyM> Kopete crashing? Happens here too.
[18:04] <QwertyM> SISGEV()
[18:04] <charlie5> is it normal during upgrade to stall on "preparing the upgrade: fetching file 64/65" ... it's been there for about 10 mins now
[18:04] <QwertyM> Or something
[18:04] <Assid> waltzin gave me a patch.. but i was on live at that time.. couldnt save it
[18:04] <sdewww123> hi all
[18:04] <sdewww123> i'm trying to run Quake on ubuntu, but when the game switches to fullscreen, my monitor go out of sync. any idea how i can fix this? i am usin FGLRX
[18:04] <AkiraYB> Assid: It's a bug in kdelib...
[18:04] <EowynCarter> hi there
[18:04] <AkiraYB> Assid: I'll find...
[18:05] <charlie5> nm ... it's going now (sorry for oise)
[18:05] <Assid> lets see how i like pidgin
[18:05] <Assid> been a while since i used it
[18:05] <Assid> last time i was on it.. it was gaim
[18:05] <huy> it is like gaim
[18:05] <huy> but a little bit nicer
[18:06] <EowynCarter> ah i know know what pigdimis lol
[18:06] <AkiraYB> Assid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[18:06] <sam64> every time I try to install a package, apt tries to install OpenOffice, and fails
[18:06] <jakob_lund> Hi. I'm having a weird problem since updating gutsy to the released ver. I can't log in in kdm -- just get a black screen for 2 sec., and then back to the login screen :-/
[18:07] <EowynCarter> still on feisty ;)
[18:07] <AkiraYB> Assid: There are deb packages that fix the problem...
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> jakob_lund: were you using XGL/compiz previous to the upgrade?
[18:07] <ScorpKing> jakob_lund: do you have home on a different partition? is there space left in /tmp?
[18:08] <EowynCarter> speaking of which, what would happens if a delete feisty's partition, on install gusty ? for grub mainly. I have the windows partitions, and still need to be able to start windows
[18:08] <Assid> AkiraYB: where? how long before it hits the  repos any cluE?
[18:09] <ChrisMir> w000t. apt is running again. hopefully upgrade will finish now
[18:09] <AkiraYB> Assid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[18:09] <ubuntu> hola amigos !!
[18:09] <ScorpKing> EowynCarter: as long as you have windows installed first it should be picked up by grub.
[18:09] <AkiraYB> Assid: Don't know, but the fix was commited already.
[18:10] <EowynCarter> but to sould also see the feisty is gone, and put gusty instead right ?
[18:10] <jakob_lund> nosrednaekim: nope; ScorpKing: woohoo, that's it: /home partition is full...
[18:11] <Assid> i wonder if i should install the deb mentioned there
[18:11] <AkiraYB> AkiraYB: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:11] <ScorpKing> jakob_lund: lol. that happens if X can't write to a partition. ;)
[18:11] <charlie5> can i listen to amarok during an upgrade (upgrader reccomends clsoing all aps to prevent data loss) ?
[18:11] <AkiraYB> Assid: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:11] <AkiraYB> Assid: Works for me.
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> charlie5: yeah..you can
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> charlie5: thats just so you don't edit documents and such
[18:12] <charlie5> nosrednaekim: thank you :)
[18:12] <sam64> anybody know how I can stop apt from trying to install open office? Its a quick fix, but I dont remember how to do it..
[18:13] <AkiraYB> sam64: sudo aptitude keep-all ?!
[18:13] <kobaia> is there a fix for Kopete yet?
[18:13] <vzduch> kobaia: read the chat, then ask again.. ;)
[18:13] <nicolai_> sam64:  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> kobaia: yes http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:13] <AkiraYB> kobaia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500
[18:13] <Cugel> Yeah there's a fix for kopete (it works)
[18:13] <kobaia> oh, sorry, i was scrolling up and didnt see anything
[18:14] <kobaia> was just above, sorry
[18:14] <kobaia> anything for the 64-bit users? ;P
[18:14] <AkiraYB> :D
[18:14] <sven_> Hi there, I just installed kubuntu 7.10 on my dell latitude d620 laptop and using adept manager I just installed compiz but... how do I activate compiz??
[18:14] <AkiraYB> kobaia: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[18:14] <charlie5> :D ... about a gig of d/l's for the upgrade
[18:14] <Cugel> compiz --replace
[18:14] <LiL-JoN> alt f2
[18:14] <LiL-JoN> yeah
[18:14] <Assid> sven_: support for the sony viao's are bad.. the function shortcut keys dont work
[18:14] <kobaia> <3
[18:14] <EowynCarter> isn't compiz on by default ?
[18:14]  * charlie5 kisses his bband moden and kicks his old 56k dialup :)
[18:14] <sam64> AkiraYB: I keep getting this: I wasn't able to locate a file for the openoffice.org-style-human package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[18:15] <sven_> Assid, I dont have a sony vaio.....
[18:15] <Cugel> My monitor&display module (from system settings) doesn't work anymore. Haven't been able to find a fix yet. Any ideas?
[18:15] <nicolai_> sam64: Did you try my suggestion?
[18:15] <vzduch> charlie5: don't kick it too hard, you might still need it as an emergency backup or so.. :)
[18:15] <mluser> How do I set a wifi network to come up automatically on boot without waiting for a user to log in? I'm using feisty btw
[18:15] <sam64> nicolai_: yeah, Ive tried that a few different ways. Thats not the problem
[18:16] <jakob_lund> ScorpKing: yes, that did it, I'm in!! ;-) thx
[18:16] <ScorpKing> jakob_lund: np
[18:16] <charlie5> vzduch: lol ... good idea ... also i'm not wearing shoes ;)
[18:17] <nicolai_> sam64: ok. I had a similar problem once where I had to uninstall the broken packages. But I also had to get adept working first, so I guess it is a different situation .
[18:17] <kobaia> Kopete Messenger: Unhandled Bug 402 - please file a debug bla bla
[18:17] <EowynCarter> right, i'm off to install gusty. (And hopes it don't crash)
[18:18] <MrBallZ> hi, i have a problem, I had to cancel the distro update manager , and when trying to restart it , it tells me that apt is running allready , in the processes i can see  dpkg running ,  what can I do ... to start again the distro upgrade ?
[18:18] <ksivaji> HymnToLife how you are able to hide your ip "HymnToLife has joined this channel (i=firas@unaffiliated/hymntolife)."
[18:18] <Assid> how do i disable the group by applicatio
[18:19] <HymnToLife> ksivaji, it's called a "cloak", see the Frenode FAQ
[18:19] <rc-1> hi, when it was installing debconf (in upgrade) i got segmentation fault (core dumped).  then it couldnt install X-11 for dependency reasons and froze
[18:19] <Assid> got it
[18:19] <ksivaji> HymnToLife ho ok
[18:19] <blck> how can i run aixgl under kubuntu 7.10
[18:19] <BrightEyes`> "‎the desktop previewer & pager applet could not be loaded.  please check your installation." how can i solve that ?
[18:20] <newsense07> blck: isnt in xorg in 7.10 already
[18:20] <sboyer> is this server pretty much linux focused?  Can someone tell me antoerh server that has reg IRC chans on it?
[18:20] <blck> yes it is ... sry i asked fals e how can i run it?
[18:20] <newsense07> gotta add a few things to your xorg.conf
[18:20] <vzduch> sboyer: ?
[18:21] <sam64> sboyer: freenode has a lot of stuff on it if you look around
[18:21] <blck> do you have a link or something?
[18:21] <HymnToLife> ksivaji, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[18:21] <newsense07> !aiglx  | blck
[18:21] <ubotu> blck: AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl
[18:21] <sboyer> all right thanks.  I listed chans the first time I got on and it seems mostly linux focused
[18:21] <sboyer> I'll look again
[18:21] <AkiraYB> Anyone had problems with flashplugin-nonfree?!
[18:21] <Dr_willis> wowsers - downloading the iso via torrant at 1,200 kb/sec...
[18:22] <Dr_willis> I dident even think my connection could GO that fast.
[18:22] <newsense07> AkiraYB: nope just installed it a few minutes ago
[18:22] <_Lemon_> Well, it seems I have a bug to report, since the upgrade my MySQL upgrade/crashed tables scripts that comes with Ubuntu as standard seems to have wiped my database files clean off my hard disk.... yay!
[18:22] <vzduch> sboyer: http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/
[18:23] <AkiraYB> newsense07: But, it works?!
[18:23] <AkiraYB> newsense07: It's freezing every time I try to watch a video...
[18:23] <newsense07> AkiraYB: working fine here
[18:24] <newsense07> AkiraYB: i can watch videos on my 3d cube even
[18:24] <AkiraYB> newsense07: Don't know what's going on... :D Thanks, anyway.
[18:24] <BrightEyes`> "‎the desktop previewer & pager applet could not be loaded.  please check your installation." how can i solve that ?
[18:25] <Dr_willis> Ya know. I never have figured out whats different on the 'dvd' vs the 'cd' iso images. Just more packages by default on the disk? not more Installed by default is there?
[18:25] <genii> Dr_willis: Just remember to keep seeding afterwards ;)
[18:25] <djdarkman_> how can I install kde beta 2 to be a seperate desktop enviorment in kde?
[18:25] <Dr_willis> genii,  :) its allready done..
[18:25] <Dr_willis> thatwas..speedy
[18:26] <djdarkman_> don`t understand what`s about the session
[18:26] <ubuntu> my kubuntu 7.10 block on installation at 82%, anybody speak french ?
[18:26] <tsdgeos> !fr
[18:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:27] <ubuntu> thank tsdgeos
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | djdarkman_
[18:27] <ubotu> djdarkman_: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[18:28] <djdarkman_> nosrednaekim: the first says what is KDE4, the second is the release schedual, and the third is what I have trouble understanding
[18:28] <Assid> man.. adept installer is just sooo slow
[18:28] <Assid> im trying to choose multiple packages.,. aand its just slow
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: ah ok... what exactly don't you understand?
[18:28] <ksivaji> !upgrade
[18:28] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:29] <trixon> Hi! can anyone tell me how to clerar the installation que in aptitude? Got a failed installa atempt that keeps asking me if I would like to install, aptitude clean just cleae the debs, right?
[18:29] <spykedtomato> hey all
[18:29] <djdarkman_> nosrednaekim: it someting about second X server
[18:29] <AkiraYB> trixon: aptitude keep-all ?
[18:30] <kobaia> anyone else having issues with kaffeine simply crashing when opening a file? Sig 11 SIGSEGV error
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: are you trying the Xephyr method?
[18:30] <djdarkman_> nosrednaekim: no, I just want It to be selectable at startup
[18:30] <MrBallZ> hi, i have a problem, I had to cancel the distro update manager , and when trying to restart it , it tells me that apt is running allready , in the processes i can see  dpkg running ,  what can I do ... to start again the distro upgrade ?
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: when do you get this error?
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[18:30] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:30] <spykedtomato> since my upgrade i can't get vmware-server to run - my machine says it's not installed anymore. Tried to install a newer version, the installer tells me to uninstall the old. HELP!! lol
[18:31] <djdarkman_> nosrednaekim: the problem is that I don`t understand what do I have to put where to make it apear in the kdm menu
[18:31] <blck> I've added some things to my xorg.conf...but i dont see any effects...how can i run my 3D Desktop?
[18:32] <spykedtomato> oops - i mean vmware-player and not server
[18:32] <djdarkman_> blck: what`s your release?
[18:32] <djdarkman_> gutsy or feisty?
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: ah... you need to make a new xsessions file,
[18:32] <Dr_willis> Can we clarify? Kubuntu 7.10 does NOT come with the 'desktop effects/compiz' enabled by default does it?
[18:32] <blck> 7.10 i think i've upgraded it but there was a mistake but now i think its gusty
[18:32] <trixon> AkiraYB> ty, that did work! didnt look into it because of the 'name' wanted to remove, not keep :) TY!
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: correct!
[18:33] <Dr_willis> abd YES you can enable them with some tweaking/guides.. and I found the whole thing a little flakey under KDE.
[18:33] <djdarkman_> blck: install compiz-fusion
[18:33] <AkiraYB> trixon: ^^
[18:33] <Assid> man adept doesnt thread too well does it?
[18:33] <Assid> it just lags every time i enable a checkbox for each item
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: where in the instructions are you stuck?
[18:33] <Dr_willis> and Supposbly when KDE4 gets released.. the fancy eye candy features of that will be used instead of the compiz stuff (or so i have heard)
[18:33] <djdarkman_> nosrednaekim: right, but I`m not familliar witth it
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: ok,so you installed kdebase-workspace and kdebase-dev?
[18:35]  * genii sips a coffee imagines the horrible things that might happen if compiz was enabled by deafult
[18:35] <djdarkman_> ohhh sorry nosrednaekim , I taught I had to manually create the desktop file
[18:35] <spykedtomato> Trying again with my question :) - since my upgrade to gutsy i couldn't get vmware-player to run - my machine says it's not installed anymore. Tried to install a newer version, the installer tells me to uninstall the old. HELP!! lol
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman_: nope... you copy it from the one in the kde4 install
[18:36] <djdarkman_> thanks nosrednaekim , I`ll try kde4 right now
[18:36] <esperegu> upgrade is failing: 2007-10-19 19:30:33,218 DEBUG The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
[18:36] <Seren> I upgraded to gutsy a few days ago
[18:36] <Seren> however since the 18th
[18:37] <Seren> adept_updater has a big "version upgrade" button
[18:37] <Seren> although I amalready under gutsy
[18:37] <Seren> if I try it crashes
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: ya... you probably want to remove that remove flag from ubuntu-desktop
[18:37] <Seren> apt-get dist-upgrade don't return anything fishy
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> Seren: jknown issue, don't worry.
[18:37] <esperegu> nosrednaekim: were can I find that?
[18:37] <Seren> ok thanks nosrednaekim
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: you using synaptic?
[18:37] <kobaia> So, after installing the kopete library to fix the original issue, I still have problems, I get a message saying 'Unhandled MSN error code 403' - this happens upon connecting. Any clues?
[18:38] <esperegu> adept
[18:38] <esperegu> but also have synaptic I suppose
[18:38] <Seren> another issue under gutsy the battery report of my asus laptop is totally off
[18:38] <Dr_willis> Days like this (after a new release) make me happy that i always keep /home seperate and do clean installs...
[18:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:38] <Seren> i have seen some problems related to acpi or kernel in launchpad
[18:38] <Seren> but not that specific issue
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: yeah... if you have ubuntu-desktop you do... use synaptic to remove the blacklist on it
[18:38] <Seren> any ideas ?
[18:39]  * spykedtomato checks to make sure he's not invisible
[18:39] <nosrednaekim> !patience | spykedtomato
[18:39] <ubotu> spykedtomato: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:39] <lorenzo_> hi
[18:39] <esperegu> nosrednaekim: and how is that done?
[18:39] <Yammeh> What is the file I have to edit to change the priority of my sound cards?
[18:40] <spykedtomato> just trying to make light of the situation- no offense intended! :)
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: one moment
[18:40] <Assid> adept needs some threading
[18:40] <Assid> it just lags everytime i enable an app
[18:40] <AkiraYB> Yammeh: asoundconf ?
[18:40] <Dr_willis> Assid,  ive noticed that also.. like a 10 sec lag.
[18:41] <Assid> yeah
[18:41] <Assid> major issue
[18:41] <ScorpKing> Assid: it's most likely resolving dependancies when you select a new app.
[18:41] <AkiraYB> Yammeh: You can set index system wide in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base too.
[18:41] <alukard> u know how to monunt the unid D:?
[18:41] <Assid> ScorpKing: too much lag.. maybe some threading there could help
[18:41] <omarian> does anyone know how to change the taskbar properties in kubuntu so you only have one open window tab per column?
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: open synaptic and search for ubuntu-desktop
[18:42] <esperegu> nosrednaekim: I already scrolled to it
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: is it highlighted red?
[18:43] <omarian> anybody?
[18:43] <ubuntu__> Super
[18:43] <esperegu> nosrednaekim: no
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> esperegu: odd... umm try rmoving it from within synaptic
[18:43] <shadowhywind> could this update get any slower, I am at 39% !!
[18:43] <nosrednaekim> shadowhywind: it certainly could
[18:44] <Assid> ScorpKing: taking soo long to choose the apps.. i dont know when its going to start downloading and installing
[18:44] <ScorpKing> lol
[18:44] <shadowhywind> i feel bad, because in about 4 hours, I am going to have to power down the laptop, regardless how far it gets..
[18:44] <esperegu> nosrednaekim: done that. retrying upgrade
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:44] <djdarkman> hmmm no luck with kde4
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: what happens?
[18:45] <kaminix> Why is the repository frozen?
[18:45] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: nothing, it doesn`t even start
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> kaminix: too many people using it?
[18:45] <Assid> seriously  slow :(
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: does anything start?
[18:46] <shadowhywind> they are maxed out from the upgrade
[18:46] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: nothing, does it have a logfile or something?
[18:46] <Assid> repositories are maxed out
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: not really, I recomend trying it from within Xephyr first there is alog file with that
[18:47] <phoenixz> I just added compiz to my new (and sweeet) kubuntu 7.10 with adept manager.. How do I get it to work? How do I start it up?
[18:47] <Assid> 7.10 shoulda had more release tests
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: if you don't have ATI.... "compiz --replace"
[18:47] <Dr_willis> and hope it works :)
[18:48] <Assid> still think it could be easier
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> lol
[18:48] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: are those export command should be executed as root?
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: no
[18:48] <Dr_willis> i found kde+compz a little.. flakey.
[18:48] <Assid> nosrednaekim: whats the fix for ati ?
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> I found it very stable
[18:48] <Dr_willis> not using it now on this box.. so cant say more. :)
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> Assid: XGL
[18:48] <kaminix> nosrednaekim: aha... so it'll unfreaze in a week or so perhaps?
[18:48] <Assid> link
[18:48] <Dr_willis> It just had little quirks. like i had to click on the title bar to activate windows. and so forth
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> kaminix: maybe ;)
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> !xgl | Assid
[18:48] <ubotu> Assid: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[18:49] <Assid> someone needs to update that
[18:49] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, okay, but how do I get this automated? so that compiz will start up every time with kde, automatically??
[18:49] <Assid> gutsy has compiz repositories
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> !autostart | phoenixz
[18:49] <ubotu> phoenixz: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[18:50] <Dr_willis> ive yet to find a good guide (or any guide) for kubuntu 7.10  compiz
[18:50] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, swell.. compiz --replace made kdm crash.. I dont have any windows atm...
[18:50] <Assid> phoenixz:  kwin --replace
[18:50] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: no windows, or no window borders?
[18:51] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, no window borders
[18:51] <Assid> phoenixz: then you  need emerald
[18:51] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, Assid, it happens every time I start compiz :(
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: ok, go back to kwin with alt+f2, "kwin --replace"
[18:51] <Assid> apt-get install emerald emerald-themes
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: and install emerald
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | Assid
[18:51] <ubotu> Assid: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[18:52] <Dr_willis> !find emerald
[18:52] <ubotu> Found: emerald, libemeraldengine-dev, libemeraldengine0, xemeraldia
[18:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm no emerald-themes
[18:52] <Assid> cooookie!!
[18:52] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, so I will have to use emerald instead of kdm... How can I configure kde to use emerald instead of kdm then?
[18:52] <uslacker> trying to upgrade to 7.10 (like the rest of the world.  Ran through the upgrade instructons
[18:53] <Dr_willis> wee.. i got wiggly windows under kde now.. :)
[18:53] <kraut> hi
[18:53] <Leopard_> hi
[18:53] <uslacker> the upgrade wizard ran and the downloads all succeeded then Adept crashed
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: I think you mean kwin... not kdm. after getting emerald, run compiz --replace again
[18:53] <uslacker> can I restart in the middle withouth redownloading?
[18:53] <Leopard_> how are you kraut not to sauer i hope
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> uslacker: yeah
[18:53] <Assid> nosrednaekim: i had compiz running before i reloaded.. as far as i remember.. you dont need much modification to the xorg..
[18:53] <MurielGodoi> !emerald
[18:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:53] <Assid> but then i could be wrong
[18:54] <kraut> Leopard_: actually i am "sauer", yes.
[18:54] <Assid> err.. emerald is part of the database..
[18:54] <nosrednaekim> Assid: oh no... 3 lines for me, and those were automaticcaly added
[18:54] <kraut> how do i activate framebuffer?
[18:54] <Leopard_> :)
[18:54] <kraut> (on gutsy)
[18:54] <Assid> nosrednaekim: viz?
[18:54] <Leopard_> GEIL kraut
[18:54] <Leopard_> oh sorry
[18:54] <Leopard_> i thought you were joking
[18:54] <uslacker> noserdaekim: do I just restart the process?
[18:54] <MurielGodoi> hi I just installed emerald-theme packages but i donno how can i enable it.
[18:54] <Assid> i got this running on dell d600
[18:54] <Assid> MurielGodoi: ignore it..
[18:54] <uslacker> or is there a   trick to restarting it?
[18:54] <Assid> MurielGodoi: its a vanity package.. go to settings and then get it
[18:55] <Assid> make sure you installed subversion tho
[18:55] <Assid> fetch the nongpl themes
[18:55] <nosrednaekim> uslacker: from the command line "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:55] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: ok everything is back in my system tray
[18:55] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: restart?
[18:55] <LiL-JoN> no
[18:55] <uslacker> noserdaekim: will give it a go
[18:55] <LiL-JoN> restarted X
[18:55] <LiL-JoN> control alt backspace
[18:56] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, just compiz --replace without making any other change?
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN: its kicker's problem. to fix it,run "alt+f2", "killall kicker && kicker"
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: yeah.. give it a shot.
[18:56] <Assid> hrmm
[18:56] <MurielGodoi> Assid: sorry, I didn't understand what is happens with emerand-themes package. Could you please explain that again?
[18:56] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, okay, seems to work.. :)
[18:56] <Assid> can someone check the price for dell d600 battery for me please
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: sweet :)
[18:57] <kraut> how do i activate this fucking framebuffer on boot?!
[18:57] <Assid> MurielGodoi: ignore that package.. its a vanity package.. never loads
[18:57] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[18:57] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[18:57] <MurielGodoi> Assid: so who sould I proceed to install emerald to work in my gutsy with compiz?
[18:57] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim,  thanks a lot for the assistance!
[18:57] <LiL-JoN> kraut: your gone
[18:58] <MurielGodoi> s/who/how
[18:58] <kraut> LiL-JoN: what?
[18:58] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: "sudo apt-get install emerald"
[18:58] <Assid> MurielGodoi: yes
[18:58] <LiL-JoN> kraut: for saying F word
[18:58] <kraut> i asked this question in hundred ubuntu-channels, is that a wonder that i use this word when i allway get ignored!?
[18:58] <kraut> damn!
[18:59] <MurielGodoi> Assid: git-clone git://dev.laptop.org/sugar-jhbuild
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> !patience | kraut
[18:59] <ubotu> kraut: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:59] <MurielGodoi> Assid: sorry wrong msg
[18:59] <tresko22> hi! anyone else got a problem with amsn after upgrade?
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: ah... OLPC :)
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> tresko22: yup :)
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> bug 153500
[19:00] <MurielGodoi> nosrednaekim: yep :)
[19:00] <tresko22> nosrednaekim: thanx, any workarround?
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> tresko22: yeah...just a sec
[19:00] <djdarkman> ok it works but I can see that It`s realy beta
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> tresko22: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> install that ^^^
[19:00] <MurielGodoi> Assid: emerald is already the newest version.
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman:  hehe
[19:01] <tresko22> nosrednaekim: thanx alot :)
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> MurielGodoi: then run "compiz --replace && emerald  --replace"
[19:01] <kraut> nosrednaekim: what the... i waited two days....
[19:01] <kraut> tzz
[19:01] <djdarkman> only the clocks work right
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: right click on the desktop, run command, run "kickoff" that will give you a basic menu
[19:01] <Assid> hrmm
[19:01] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: how come when i control alt and click it goes to desktop cude but i only have 2 desktops
[19:02] <Assid> is there any plasmoids and stuff?
[19:02] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: when i should ahve 4 desktops
[19:02] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: it looks like its flipping over a peice of paper
[19:02] <djdarkman> nosrednaekim: is there a way of running kde4 focused apps in kde3?
[19:02] <djdarkman> like dolphin and kopete
[19:02] <nosrednaekim> its in the compiz config, under the general section called "horizontal desktop size"
[19:02] <MurielGodoi> Assid: good... working here... what did you said about themes?
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: yeah the executables for the kde prrograms are in /usr/lib/kde4/bin
[19:03] <Assid> fetch the nongpl themes
[19:03] <Assid> install subversion first
[19:04] <Assid> funny thing is.. compiz isnt in adept
[19:04] <Assid> hahahaha
[19:04] <Assid> there is sccm but no compiz
[19:04] <LiL-JoN> nosrednaekim: did you see any of the stuff i worte
[19:04] <LiL-JoN> ?
[19:04] <LiL-JoN> wrote
[19:05] <kubuntu-newbie> I think I am falling in love with a distro...
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> LiL-JoN:  its in the compiz config, under the general section called "horizontal desktop size"
[19:05] <jonasp> is it possible to set the dolphin filterbar to filter directories, too?
[19:05] <ChrisMir> I had a _very_ bumpy upgrade tour and now I'm about to reboot for the ultimate test. wish me luck!
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-newbie: better say its kubuntu or your head will roll ;)
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> ChrisMir: k !
[19:05] <djdarkman> uhhh plasma is not very kde3 friendly
[19:06] <kubuntu-newbie> LOL, yep nosrednaekim
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> djdarkman: lol!
[19:06] <juhana> any tips to convert divx to 3gpp in ubuntu. mencoder did not support in ubuntu? right?
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-newbie: are you a new linux user?
[19:07] <kubuntu-newbie> But yesterdayI was told I could get all the mozilla java/flash plugins with the line 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu restricted extras.'  It did not work.
[19:07] <MurielGodoi> Assid: error calling tar (svn installed and svn ls xxxxx/emerald-themes ok)
[19:07] <juhana> new in kubuntu, others for 7 yrs.
[19:08] <genii> kraut: google is your friend. searching for " ubuntu framebuffer" produced https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer where your answer is near the bottom
[19:08] <kubuntu-newbie> nosrednaekim: No, I am an old, but not very knowledgeable user.
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> ah
[19:08] <phoenixz> Question: I just enabled compiz, but the "cube" only has 2 sides (2 desktops) and I want to use 6 desktops.. where do I specify that?
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: you need to install compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:09] <genii> phoenixz: in the ccsm, under General... make first one of virtual desktops more than 2
[19:09] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, I got that one installed.. Im working on it
[19:09] <Assid> MurielGodoi: yeah does that.. i dont remember what i did.. but there is a way around it
[19:09] <mike-kubuntu> pheonixz: its undergeneral settings on teh width of the desktop
[19:09] <Assid> hrmm anyone ere good with editing apt's conig
[19:09] <Assid> i want to enable multi file downloading from the same mirror
[19:09] <Assid> like 2-3 files at a time
[19:09] <kubuntu-newbie> So-- any help in getting the mozilla plugins for java and flash?
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-newbie: flash is simple...
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> IDK about java
[19:10] <kubuntu-newbie> OK
[19:10] <mike-kubuntu> java is simple too, sun-jdk-6 or something like that
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-newbie: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[19:10] <phoenixz> genii, I got that one on 6.. yet, I only have 2 dekstops on the cube, which effectively is not a cube, but a sheet .. :)
[19:10] <kubuntu-newbie> nosrednaekim: OK
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz: its called "horizontal desktop size AFAIK
[19:11] <phoenixz> genii, ah, gotta play with the horizontal and vertical virtual sizes.. gottit! thanks\
[19:12] <sam64> how would I go about removing a broken package from apt?
[19:12] <LiL-JoN> ScorpKing: hey
[19:12] <kubuntu-newbie> " Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree"
[19:12] <fdoving> sam64: how broken is it?
[19:12] <sam64> fdoving: very broken
[19:12] <fdoving> !repos | kubuntu-newbie
[19:12] <ubotu> kubuntu-newbie: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:12] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-newbie: you are on gutsy, right?
[19:12] <fdoving> kubuntu-newbie: make sure multiverse is enabled.
[19:13] <fdoving> sam64: what kind of error messages do you get when you try to remove it?
[19:13] <kubuntu-newbie> The new one-- yes
[19:13] <sam64>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[19:13] <sam64>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[19:13] <kubuntu-newbie> fdoving: how do I enable multiverse?
[19:13] <djdarkman> ohhh man they still didn`t give megabyes as units to ksysguard ...
[19:13] <fdoving> kubuntu-newbie: the answer is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:14] <ChrisMir> \o/ I made it
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> ChrisMir: YAY!
[19:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. what is the 'command' to run the compwiz settings tool anyway? gotta turn off these darn wiggly windows
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: ccsm
[19:15] <ChrisMir> I did get scared at boot, but it was an unrealted reiserfs error. Neede to rebuild-tree sometime :)
[19:15] <sam64> fdoving: it tells me to reinstall it before removing it
[19:15] <mike-kubuntu> Dr_willis: you don't like the wiggly windows?!?!
[19:15] <ChrisMir> unrelated*
[19:15] <fdoving> sam64: what package is this?
[19:15] <djdarkman> someone knows a way of making ksysguard display memory usage in magabytes?
[19:15] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  soo logical eh. :) they couldent use 'compiz-setting-tool' heh heh
[19:15] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: ah.... you caved in to eyecandy once again?
[19:15] <Dr_willis> i just enabled it to see how well it works under kde.
[19:15] <Assid> someone should make adept installer faster
[19:15] <nosrednaekim> ah
[19:15] <sam64> fdoving: openoffice.org-style-human
[19:15] <Dr_willis> i DID notice when the window win-shaded it wiggled for 4 min just now.
[19:15] <Dr_willis> befor it settled down
[19:15] <lee986321> say how many here aare into it?
[19:16] <fdoving> sam64: tried to re-install it?
[19:16] <Assid> its just too sluggish to do dependency checks
[19:16] <Dr_willis> and i cant get the emerald-theme tool working.. :) at the moment..
[19:16]  * genii wiggles the windows of Dr_willis
[19:16] <omarian> hello. i am trying to install the ati unofficial driver using the wikipedia instructions and i am getting an error when i run sudo aticonfig --initial
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> omarian: do the ones from the repositories not work?
[19:16] <lee986321> eh Iam a non it person
[19:16] <sam64> fdoving: well its blocking me from installing or removing packages
[19:16] <Assid> hrmm kubuntu live cd should have included firefox
[19:17] <Assid> in the initial install
[19:17] <lee986321> they did
[19:17] <fdoving> sam64: fetch the .deb from packages.ubuntu.com manually,and install with 'sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb' from konsole.
[19:17] <mike-kubuntu> does anyone know how to force the html version of gmail
[19:17] <Assid> nah.. its not installed for me
[19:17] <genii> lee986321: How goes the fglrx stuff?
[19:17] <mike-kubuntu> thier java keeps freezing my browser
[19:17] <mike-kubuntu> anyone here got 3d acceleration with a 200 xpress?
[19:17] <Assid> mike-kubuntu: whcih browser?
[19:17] <lee986321> oh I took a small break..
[19:17] <mike-kubuntu> Assid: firefox
[19:18] <omarian> nosrednaekim: do you mean the drivers detected when kubuntu was first installed?
[19:18] <lee986321> lol befor I broke
[19:18] <Assid> mike-kubuntu: weird
[19:18] <fdoving> dr_willis: if you installed compizconfig-settings-manager the command is 'ccsm'
[19:18] <mike-kubuntu> Assid: it started right after the upgrade to gutsy
[19:18] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: in kde 3 you cant.  in kde4 its nicer
[19:18] <nosrednaekim> mike-kubuntu: hmm not that I know of, if you can log in from another browser, you can make it your default though.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> fdoving,  got it.. wiggly windows NOW off...
[19:18] <Dr_willis> disablign expo also.. :) and a few other bits
[19:18] <nosrednaekim> omarian: no, I mean the ones in the restricted-manager
[19:18] <MrBallZ> I have a problem, when running adept_manager, i get an error , that it's allready running , on the processes  " dpkg " is running, what can i do ???
[19:18] <lee986321> oh I need to to know how to get my  to have its 256 mb of ram read
[19:18] <Assid> mike-kubuntu:  strange
[19:18] <djdarkman> JohnFlux: I`m using kde4 ksysguard right now, but how can I make it use bigger units?
[19:19] <lee986321> genii Il re log in onto the 64 bit
[19:19] <fdoving> Dr_willis: yeah, i did kwin --replace, can't really stand all the fancy things yet, too old fashioned i guess :)
[19:19] <genii> MrBallZ: Close any windows which are open and running Adept or aptitude or apt-get
[19:19] <omarian> nosrednaekim: yes, those are the ones that I am using that are giving me the error message. this is the wiki link: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[19:19] <lee986321> brb guys reloggin into my 64 bit
[19:19] <Dr_willis> AND i notice the exact same problem i had befor.. You must click on the windows titlebar for it to 'come to the front'
[19:19] <genii> MrBallZ: The updater also uses this sytem so if it's running let it go until done
[19:19] <Dr_willis> just clicking on the body of the window does not bring it forwared
[19:19] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: hmm, you cant.  can I ask why?  I could add that feature i guess
[19:20] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: it just never occured to me that anyone would want to :-D
[19:20] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: maybe change it all to MB instead hmm
[19:20] <nosrednaekim> omarian: sorry, I have to go!....
[19:20] <djdarkman> JohnFlux: well if you are talking about memory these days, you mostly want to know how much MB of memory a process uses...
[19:20] <MrBallZ> genni: the problem is , that I had to close the updater ... and when I try to run it again, i get that error ... any suggestions ?
[19:21] <nosrednaekim> omarian: if you istalled from the restricted-manager-kde, you don't have to run that command
[19:21] <LiL-JoN> does anybody here use superkaramba
[19:21] <LiL-JoN> ?
[19:21] <genii> !adeptfix
[19:21] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:21] <daftman> argh no default compiz on kubuntu
[19:21] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  the little ive used that.. it never woeked very well.
[19:21] <genii> MrBallZ: Read above by the ubotu
[19:21] <daftman> oh well it was dodgey on kubuntu anyway
[19:21] <Dr_willis> Im thinking that no compiz on Kubuntu is a good idea. :)
[19:21] <MrBallZ> genii: i tried that, but still , adept gets a new  pid  , and keeps running
[19:21] <Dr_willis> since im finding little bugglets with it.
[19:22] <omarian> nosrednaekim:  ok sounds good
[19:22] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: hmm, okay.  I'll code in that feature tonight
[19:22] <ChrisMir> hmm. isn't flash supposed to work in konqueror now with Gutsy?
[19:22] <genii> MrBallZ: sudo killall adept
[19:22] <djdarkman> JohnFlux: thanks, that would be usefull :)
[19:22] <LiL-JoN> can somebody help me with a theme called furious weather on super karamba
[19:22] <sam64> fdoving: I dont see it in there
[19:22] <Captain_Haddock> Gutsy upgrade: The adept upgrade reported an error with debconf and appeared to crash but is still continuing somehow :|
[19:22] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: any other suggestions?
[19:23] <JohnFlux> djdarkman: its good to find someone who uses it :)
[19:23] <Assid> Dr_willis:  dont like compiz?
[19:23] <LiL-JoN> Assid: i love compiz
[19:23] <jim> trying to upgrade to gutsy but keeps stalling at the messages below , any suggestions: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:23] <jim> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:23] <jim> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:23] <jim> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:24] <jim> Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/restricted/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:24] <lee986321> holy smokes the 64 bits faster on the down laods
[19:24] <Dr_willis> Assid,  under kde at the moment.. it has a few issues.
[19:24] <LiL-JoN> jim: you need to pastebin dude
[19:24] <Assid> LiL-JoN: yeah. its nice effects.. but personally i think it needs a bit more work .. its slower on the fps for opengl apps
[19:24] <JohnFlux> jim: try using a different mirror
[19:24] <lee986321> ok genii iam back
[19:24] <genii> !pastebin | jim
[19:24] <JohnFlux> jim: that happens usually when the mirror is down
[19:24] <Assid> Dr_willis:  what you facing?
[19:24] <ubotu> jim: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:24] <Dr_willis> checking out the emerald themes right now.. :) gee are they ALL OS-X or Vista variants. :)
[19:24] <Assid> lee986321:  faster?
[19:24] <LiL-JoN> Assid: whats opengl do?
[19:24] <genii> lee986321: wb :)
[19:24] <Dr_willis> Assid,  right now. ya click on a window and it does NOT come to front. You must click on the title bar.
[19:24] <lee986321> yeah faster
[19:25] <Assid> LiL-JoN: run gears..
[19:25] <lee986321> oops
[19:25] <jim> thanks!
[19:25] <djdarkman> JohnFlux: it`s anoying sometimes to read the ps aux`s output, and for example if I write a program and search for memory leaks I would probably want to examine it in KB`s but if I`m  watching the memory usage of my programs, I`s easyer to watch it in MB`s these days, another feature would probably be making it automaticly bid to ctrl+alt+del  :)
[19:25] <Assid> Dr_willis: theres an option for that in cssm ..
[19:25] <Dr_willis> or use the taskmanager in the panel. (which is what i normally do anyway)
[19:25] <Captain_Haddock> jim: I've got similar errors with "sub process".. but I've downloaded everything...
[19:25] <Captain_Haddock> it's in the installation step for me :/
[19:25] <LiL-JoN> Assid: idk im lost lol
[19:25] <Assid> Dr_willis: its an option to enable/disable
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Assid,  which of the 20 options  is it under then? :) it dident do it that way under gnome.
[19:25] <Captain_Haddock> It's stuck on "Installing the upgrades" :(
[19:25] <lee986321> waht was taht page taht has the drivers?
[19:25] <Assid> Dr_willis: i think in the general
[19:25] <lee986321> erg I need to make a fast screen adjustment
[19:26] <Dr_willis> Assid,  that brings up another Potential issue. Does Gnome and KDe both share the same compiz settings?
[19:26] <jim> sorry, I will use pastebin next time . And try a different mirror
[19:26] <Captain_Haddock> Does anyone know what the ramifications are of closing the dist upgrade adept window during the "installing the upgrades" step? It appears to be stuck.
[19:26] <djdarkman> btw JohnFlux the kde4 kysguard is a greate improvement compared to the kde3 version :)
[19:26] <rabindra> i have got realplayerGOLD10 rpm package, how to install it using yum or otherwise??
[19:26] <Assid> Dr_willis:  wouldnt know.. im just a user
[19:27] <genii> lee986321: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.41.7_Driver_Manually
[19:27] <Captain_Haddock> Stuck on "preparing to configure libexpat"
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Assid,  using the 'Raise on Click' option. I check it.. and it unchecks itself. :) heh
[19:27] <Assid> Dr_willis: go to the settings.. and change from KDE to flat file
[19:27] <Assid> the settings where it saves the config
[19:27] <genii> lee986321: For 8.40.4 just use exact same URL it gives there for the 8.41.7 d/l and intuitively substitute 8.40.4
[19:27] <rabindra> please help me
[19:28] <Assid> apparently the compiz people dont think kde is important to support
[19:28] <mike-kubuntu> how do i set it to html by default
[19:28] <mike-kubuntu> *gmail
[19:28] <Dr_willis> Assid,  heh - NOW that checked all those box's by default. just setting it to flat file.. wonder whats up with that.
[19:29] <angasule> Assid: I think kwin4 is getting composite support anyway, right?
[19:29] <MrBallZ> genii: i killed all the dpkg ... but it comes back ...
[19:29] <Captain_Haddock> rabindra: right click on it - should give you an install option.
[19:29] <Dr_willis> Assid,  i guess part of the issue is the KDE 'settings' tools fighting with the compiz setting tools.
[19:29] <genii> Dr_willis: Yes, they do share the settings. i have it on both my kde and gnome, same box and changes in 1 take effect in the other (for same user)
[19:29] <Assid> angasule: not sure mate.. not sure..
[19:29] <Assid> i use linux for desktop like once a month
[19:29] <Assid> rofl
[19:29] <mike-kubuntu> comiz works well with kde here
[19:29] <Dr_willis> mike-kubuntu,  now that i set it to flat-file and fixed a few settings its working. :)
[19:29] <Assid> mike-kubuntu:  certain options act really funny if you use KDE to store the config file
[19:29] <Assid> Dr_willis: there ya go. enjoy mate
[19:30] <Dr_willis> now if i can find an Emerald Theme thats NOT a OS-X or vista spin off. :)
[19:30] <genii> MrBallZ: Somewhere it must be set to keep respawning then. Open up adept from the menu and check it's settings about running every time or so on
[19:30] <rabindra> Captain_Haddock: doesn't give me any installation option
[19:30] <Assid> angasule: whatever i know is what i get for playing on the  box for 1-2 hours here and there.. and im done.. thats my beta testing.. thats enough for me to find a few bugs
[19:30] <LiL-JoN> what is the plugin for playing wmv files
[19:30] <djdarkman> Dr_willis: it`s hard but you can find
[19:30] <LiL-JoN> so i can install it
[19:31] <LiL-JoN> for firefox
[19:31] <Kachna> Dr_willis: having hard time looking for some awesome one :P
[19:31] <Assid> Dr_willis: vsta is a osx spinoff.. and leopard copied a few things out of compiz
[19:31] <Kachna> if u find some,lemme know :P
[19:31] <Dr_willis> just looking for a useble one.
[19:31] <Assid> Dr_willis:  dont overgo on the effects
[19:31] <Dr_willis> so far 'vista smoked' seems the best of the bunch.
[19:31] <Assid> vista smoked?
[19:31] <Dr_willis> Now that i figtured out how to get emerald to auto-grab the themes.
[19:32] <Assid> Dr_willis:  irritatingg when it hangs there isnt it?
[19:32] <Assid> hehehe
[19:32] <Dr_willis> Fire up emerald-themer tool. ya got to enable cvs, then it can autp-grab themes
[19:32] <Assid> not cvs.. svn
[19:32] <lee986321> erg I have a prblem I jsut lost my manual settings for the monitor
[19:32] <philipp_> hi again!
[19:32] <Dr_willis> the 'to enable this use this command... ' SHOULD be a 'text selection' box so ya can just cut/past the thing.
[19:32] <lee986321> its a hardware issue not a soft ware
[19:32] <Dr_willis> had to type in the command 3 times to get it right. heh
[19:32] <Dr_willis> or a button to just do it. :)
[19:32] <philipp_> how can i activate the standby mode in kubuntu? when i go on "log off" i can't see any mode to enter standby mode
[19:32] <cap601> Whenever I start up Gutsy the panels don't appear.  How can I get them to appear automatically?
[19:33] <Assid> i need a new battery for my dell .. stupid crap is dead
[19:34] <LiL-JoN> what is the plugin for playing wmv files
[19:34] <LiL-JoN> for firefox
[19:34] <LiL-JoN> so i can install it
[19:34] <Assid> LiL-JoN: xine
[19:34] <LiL-JoN> whats xine
[19:34] <LiL-JoN> ?
[19:34] <Assid> i think its w32codecs and libxine
[19:34] <Assid> but then i could be wrong..
[19:34] <rand_acs> !compiz
[19:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[19:35] <rand_acs> ubotu: <3
[19:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:35] <genii> Assid: Just open up the plastic case of it, remove the batteries inside noting what kind they are (Lithium , Metal Hydride etc) then go buy rechargeables of that size and same (li ir so). attach wires same as you saw when you opened battery case and tape it together
[19:35] <MrBallZ> genii:  found out the problem , there were 2 phyton processes running for the updater... killed them and that did the trick ..
[19:35] <Assid> genii:  ?
[19:35] <MrBallZ> genii:  thank you very much  :)
[19:35] <Assid> rechargables?
[19:35] <genii> MrBallZ: Glad to help
[19:35] <Assid> i can open them ?
[19:35] <genii> Assid: Yup
[19:35] <Assid> are you sure/
[19:36] <Assid> i dont want to blow whatever it is its not working
[19:36] <Assid> hehe
[19:36] <esperegu> grrrr: MarkUpgrade() called on a non-upgrable pkg: 'kubuntu-desktop'
[19:36] <Assid> i mean ive heard of those exploding batteries
[19:36] <Dr_willis> #kubuntu-restricted-extras - Commonly used restricted packages
[19:36] <Assid> genii:  you done this before?
[19:36] <genii> Assid: inside of tha plastic holder are usually D type batteries all connected in parallel or so. Most times Lithium Ion or Metal Hydride. the camera store or places that sell radio control stuff have these batteries
[19:36] <rabindra> can someone please help me??
[19:36] <genii> Assid: Yes
[19:37] <genii> Assid: (I have done this before)
[19:37] <Assid> how do you open it /
[19:37] <phoenixz> I just installed compiz, looks GREAT, but right now, the window focus is  automatic, following the mouse.. Where do I disable this?
[19:37] <Dr_willis> rabindra,  'please state the nature of the linux emergancy'
[19:37] <Dr_willis> phoenixz,  we JUST discussed that 4 min ago.
[19:37] <genii> Dr_willis: LOL
[19:37] <Assid> genii: can we pm?
[19:37] <phoenixz> Dr_willis, mouse auto focus? I doubt that
[19:38] <Dr_willis> phoenixz,  enable 'flat file' for the settings, and then under general tab thers some check boxs
[19:38] <Dr_willis> i saw the auto focus setting there.
[19:38] <phoenixz> I recall talking about multiple desktops, nothing aobut mouse..
[19:38] <Assid> hehe
[19:38] <genii> Assid: They do not make it easy. but there is normally a seam where they glued it together. i take an exacto knofe and separate it in this way
[19:38] <Dr_willis> the 3 settings are right there. : the trick was i could NOT enable any of them untill i used the 'flat file' setting
[19:38] <rabindra> it's not urgent
[19:38] <genii> Assid: my nick is registered here, so if yours is also, PM is good
[19:39] <Kachna> hey,how can i find out what mouse button has what number? mean,in ccsm i should set some button,so i wanna to bind it to one,but dunno which is that :/
[19:39] <kaminix> How do I start katapult again?
[19:39] <LiL-JoN> what is the plugin for playing wmv files
[19:39] <LiL-JoN> for firefox
[19:39] <LiL-JoN> so i can install it
[19:40] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  Most likely you want to isntall the #kubuntu-restricted-extras - Commonly used restricted packages
[19:40] <Fade2Black> whats up people
[19:40] <mike-kubuntu> wheres the setting in fusion that makes the windows pop out? of the cube when you rotate?
[19:40] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  that should grab most all those needed packages
[19:41] <Fade2Black> i was just about to ask about that
[19:41] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: i have that installed but i stil cant watch wmv files on firefox
[19:41] <Dr_willis> getting my top 10 faq.
[19:41] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  can you watch them in a normal player?
[19:41] <Fade2Black> will gusty let me install the restricted packages like ubuntu gusty
[19:41] <fdoving> Kachna: use 'xev' it reports x window events.
[19:41] <Dr_willis> I never want to watch them in the browser. :)
[19:41] <LiL-JoN> they are on the internet Dr_willis
[19:41] <BluesKaj> howdy all ...what an awful experience trying to upgrade thru the net , 3 source failures ...finally did a clean install
[19:42] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  you may need the mplayer, or xine, or vlc plugings
[19:42] <Fade2Black> anyone know how to get a wireless card working
[19:42] <Dr_willis> or use a videograbber extension. :)
[19:42] <lee986321> ok genni i am back...monitos lost visusl ques for its adjustments
[19:42] <lee986321> eh i mean genii
[19:42] <mike-kubuntu> Fade2Black: is it an airforce 1?
[19:42] <Dr_willis> ive seen several sites that just are a pain to watch videos on.
[19:42] <kaminix> The konstant changing of the taskbar/fav-/titlebar icon for Konqueror is driving me crazy! How do I turn it off? Really no one who knows?
[19:42] <lee986321> so what was that page you sent me 2?
[19:42] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: whats that
[19:42] <Fade2Black> i need something like windows where i finds the wireless connection automatically
[19:43] <mike-kubuntu> Fade2Black, KNetworkManager does that
[19:43] <mike-kubuntu> but you need to make sure your drivers are set up niceley
[19:43] <ChrisMir> how do I active compiz?
[19:43] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006  - theres other 'video grabber' extensions also.  i dont use them much.
[19:43] <Kachna> thx
[19:43] <ChrisMir> activate*
[19:43] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[19:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[19:43] <Kachna> mean, fdoving: thx :-)
[19:44] <Fade2Black> it install in the restricted drivers thing
[19:44] <Dr_willis> We need to have a few notes on that factoid about the needed ccsm tweaks to get it workign well.
[19:44] <phoenixz> Right.. One thing left: wifi.. I have a broadcomm BCM94311MCG wifi card in my laptop, and kubuntu shows that I can install the broadcomm 43xx driver for this one in the restricted driver area. When I try to install that driver though, a new window pops up, saying "Specify firmware location".. This window though, is completely disabled, I can not click on a button, or other component, I can not even close it.. When I click on the restricted driver window,
[19:44] <phoenixz>  and click cancel, I get a crash.. How can I install this driver?
[19:44] <lee986321> genii iam ready to have fun lol
[19:45] <genii> lee986321: That link earlier was for manually installing the ati driver specifically for ubuntu
[19:45] <fdoving> Dr_willis: can't you put it on the wiki?
[19:45] <lee986321> oh
[19:45] <Fade2Black> click download
[19:45] <genii> lee986321: You need it again?
[19:45] <lee986321> oops
[19:45] <Dr_willis> I dont even know how to edit the wiki. :) is that the wiki page?
[19:45] <phnom> well isn't this the darnest thing... everything in compiz works except I can't move the windows around >.<
[19:45] <Dr_willis> I got a Home Dir. full of my own 'kubntu notes'  heh.
[19:45] <lee986321> im in kunbuntu will it work ?genii
[19:45] <fdoving> Dr_willis: yep,  the url is the wiki,  make an account if you don't have one, and click 'edit page' :)
[19:46] <genii> lee986321: Since command-line will work in kubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu, etc etc
[19:46] <lee986321> yeah but if it works for kubuntu
[19:46] <lee986321> ok sure
[19:46] <Dr_willis> fdoving,  will that make me a leet haxor?
[19:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:46] <genii> lee986321: For 8.40.4 just use exact same URL it gives there for the 8.41.7 d/l and intuitively substitute 8.40.4
[19:46] <fdoving> Dr_willis: yep :)
[19:46] <lee986321> ill let you know the stats..i am in 64 bit
[19:46] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: ill try the Fing Mplayer plugin for firefox
[19:46] <Fade2Black> would kwifimanager work
[19:46] <genii> lee986321: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.41.7_Driver_Manually
[19:46] <Dr_willis> i was wondering if there was a kubuntu specific wiki also.
[19:46] <Fade2Black> or do i need knetwork
[19:46] <Fade2Black> i dont know if it will work since im in ubuntu
[19:47] <LiL-JoN> Fade2Black: then why arent you in #ubuntu
[19:48] <Fade2Black> because that channel is going crazy and i like kde better
[19:48] <Kachna> fdoving: k,figured that 2 my buttons say they'r button2,any ideas where should i start? :-)
[19:48] <LiL-JoN> Fade2Black: then why dont you install kde on ubuntu?
[19:49] <Dr_willis> ya know.. some day - i would LOVE it if the (#*@*@ panel clock. could tell i wanted 12 hr format.. and change when I set the date/time format..
[19:49] <Dr_willis> and not want to be restartred. :)
[19:49] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: all you have to do
[19:49] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: is log out and log in
[19:49] <angasule> Dr_willis: 12 hour format? what, you mean you know when it's day and night? o_O
[19:49] <sam64> Dr_willis: as if that would ever happen =P
[19:49] <Fade2Black> i wish i could install the driver for my wifi card at the start then i would have kubuntu but everytime i try and load i get a error because the drivleder is not instal
[19:50] <lee986321> genii hmm might need that paste ben
[19:50] <sam64> Dr_willis: Id be happy with just having a simple straightforward way of changing it
[19:51] <lee986321> how do i get it or can ya send a link
[19:51] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  yea.. its so SIMPLE.. somthing that should be a check box and applied idemetly needs a logout/in :)
[19:51] <LiL-JoN> lol
[19:51] <Dr_willis> a '24 hr clock/digital/analog/12hr/whatever' :)
[19:51] <Dr_willis> would make a bit more sence
[19:51] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: yeah your right but thats not going to happen until 2009
[19:52] <LiL-JoN> its to advanced for them
[19:52] <BluesKaj> <--- trying out the 64 bit version...I've heard one can setup flash etc to run in 32 bit mode on websites ..is this true ?
[19:52] <Dr_willis> Of course I could suggest the Kubuntu guys make it 12hr by default.. :)
[19:52] <Dr_willis> 'blasphmy!'
[19:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:52] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis:  DO IT THEN!!!
[19:52] <LiL-JoN> BluesKaj: yes its true
[19:53] <LiL-JoN> BluesKaj: stupid negro
[19:53] <ksivaji> libc6-amd64 2.6.1-1ubuntu9  is a package for i386 machine or amd machine
[19:53] <ksivaji> ?
[19:53] <Kachna> BluesKaj: yep,had it running
[19:53] <TimS> AMD ksivaji
[19:54] <TimS> !info libc6-amd64 2.6.1-1ubuntu9
[19:54] <ubotu> libc6-amd64: GNU C Library: 64bit Shared libraries for AMD64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.1-1ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 3838 kB, installed size 9616 kB
[19:55] <TimS> Why is there no USB support during boot?
[19:55] <Dr_willis> TimS,  i had usb support during my boot..
[19:55] <ChrisMir> hmm... with compiz the mouse focus seems borked. apps focus on mouse but only get on top when clicked on titlebar
[19:56] <ksivaji> i am upgrading from kubuntu 7.04 to 7.10, my kubuntu 7.04 is not a 64 bit os but now update manager in installing libc6-amd64 2.6.1 now what does it means ?
[19:56] <Dr_willis> TimS,  ive noticed that with SOME systems you might not have usb keyboasrd support. depending on their bios in the grub menu.
[19:56] <TimS> Well, during grub. Very annoying, my MoBO supports it, but not pressing ESC to choose my boot options
[19:56] <Dr_willis> TimS,  enabling 'legacy usb support' in the bios MIGHT help there.
[19:56] <TimS> Dr_willis: My Bios supports it.
[19:56] <ksivaji> TimS can you understand what i am trying to say ?
[19:56] <Dr_willis> TimS,  bingo.. I have a bios that supports it.. but GRUB dosent work properly with my usb keyboards. I have to use a ps2 keyboasrd on that one machine
[19:57] <Dr_willis> TimS,  'usb legacy' support option in the bios MIGHT fix it.
[19:57] <lee986321> !paste bin
[19:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paste bin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:57] <TimS> It is enabled, I can edit all the BIOS settings with my Keybaord, I cant see a Legacy support option though
[19:57] <Dr_willis> TimS,  and i have this issue on only 1 of my 5 machines..  its some odd bios/usb/grub quirn.
[19:57] <TimS> I have the MoBo manula here, lemme see
[19:58] <TimS> What machine is it, out of interest, what make MoBo?
[19:58] <Dr_willis> TimS,  whats sad on this ONE box. If i enable usb-legacy. both linux an windows refuse to boot. :(but grub works.. heh heh.
[19:58] <Dr_willis> This is some old Asus AMD64 MB. its about 4 yrs old now i think.
[19:58] <TimS> Weird :P
[19:58] <TimS> Well, Mine is a brand new mobo, off amazon
[19:58] <flake> is there live version i can play with of 7.10
[19:58] <_buz> i hate d3lphin, how can i deactivate it for good?
[19:58] <Dr_willis> Yep. I keep a spare ps2 keyboasrd handy.
[19:59] <_buz> flake: desktop release is just that
[19:59] <TimS> It might be discontinued, but its the best MoBo arround :P
[19:59] <flake> ah ok
[19:59] <ksivaji> TimS is it possible to upgrade for kubuntu 7.04  i386 to kubuntu amd 7.10
[19:59] <bacon333> Hi
[19:59] <Assid> dammit
[19:59] <Assid> i cant open the batttery
[19:59] <Dr_willis> TimS,  theres a NEW (asus?) mb that has Linux built into the motherboard. :) for fast booting of a Mini-linux.. heh heh.
[19:59] <Assid> why do they make it so well packed
[19:59] <bacon333> nice
[19:59] <TimS> Dr_willis: Yeah I saw that
[19:59] <TimS> Looks good, 5 second boot
[20:00] <bacon333> wow
[20:00] <TimS> Only worth while if you can have a full Linux boot in the background
[20:00] <Dr_willis> http://www.splashtop.com/index.php
[20:00] <TimS> While your waiting, you can browse the interney
[20:00] <Dr_willis> id like it for just a mini media player :)
[20:00] <sam64> or play tetris
[20:01] <TimS> True, my MP3 player has a longer than 5 second boot
[20:01] <TimS> Meizu M6 is awesome though
[20:01] <mulander> Is there a way to check the 'real' screen resolution I'm looking at? without referring to xorg.conf?
[20:01] <fdoving> mulander: xrandr
[20:02] <fdoving> mulander: that is a konsole command.
[20:02] <genii> !pastebin | lee986321 ... for any output/errors etc
[20:02] <ubotu> lee986321 ... for any output/errors etc: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:02] <Dr_willis> TimS,  your 'use' for it - i think is  Not a useable use. :)
[20:02] <fdoving> mulander: the resolution with the * is the one you're looking at.
[20:02] <mulander> fdoving: thanks
[20:02] <mulander> fdoving: the reason why I ask is after the upgrade my screenres switched to a weird 1152x864 (from 1600x1200)
[20:02] <nonewmsgs> i downloaded gutsy and the md5 is right in the iso but ive burned it twice and i keep getting (the same) wrnog md5 on the burned discs.  the first one i burned at 40x and the second at 8x
[20:02] <bacon333> huh
[20:02] <Dr_willis> Thats  Linux on the MB - is a neat feature for rescue/recovery systems also. Be neat if it got popular.
[20:02] <mulander> setting it back up results in graphic rendering problems
[20:02] <bacon333> I can't find any update manager in Kubuntu 7.10
[20:03] <mulander> glxinfo still says that I have my graph drivers installed and montior vsync and hsync is set properly (or auto detected properly)
[20:03] <lee986321> yeah i got it up
[20:03] <Aranel> In new kdesudo, It always remembers my password, How can I disable "remember my password" function ?
[20:03] <lee986321> and i have one already lol
[20:03] <MurielGodoi> bacon333: k > system > adept manager
[20:03] <mulander> the question is why it doesn't want to work after upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10
[20:03] <BluesKaj> bacon333:  no need yet , but in the konsole " sudo apt-get update "
[20:03] <bacon333> ah
[20:03] <bacon333> thanks muriel
[20:03] <lee986321> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[20:04] <lee986321> eh
[20:04]  * Rask330 waves. "For some reason, adept is telling me that I can upgrade to 7.10 ... I'm reasonably sure that I've already installed 7.10. Is this indicative of something seriously awry" o_O
[20:04] <Rask330> *?
[20:04] <lee986321> did i do that right?
[20:04] <genii> lee986321: OK, reading
[20:04] <bacon333> Is it just me, or is gutsy still quite buggy?
[20:04] <bacon333> I even had troubles in install... I had to disconnect my internet connection because it hanged at 82 percent..
[20:04] <genii> lee986321: Heh... you forgot to give the url the pastebin gave back
[20:04] <bacon333> 'scanning mirrors'
[20:04] <lee986321> oops
[20:05] <lee986321> starting a new one thwen erg lol
[20:05] <Rask330> bacon333:  It's likely because the servers are seriously mobbed...
[20:05] <bacon333> true...
[20:05] <bacon333> did anyone else have this problem though?
[20:05] <taki> buenas!
[20:05] <bacon333> It was 'scanning mirrors' for like an hour...
[20:05] <Rask330> I did, but I switched my APT repository to someplace in Ukraine.  :D
[20:05] <bacon333> ah
[20:05] <bacon333> hmm..
[20:06] <bacon333> Well...
[20:06] <bacon333> how would I 'fix the damages' then? :D
[20:06] <bacon333> update.ubuntu.com is commented out somewhere :(
[20:06] <BluesKaj> the canadian repos failed me 3 times trying a net upgrade
[20:06] <bacon333> hey imagine, from Quebec?
[20:06] <lee986321> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41223/ is that better lol
[20:06] <BluesKaj> yeah bacon333
[20:06] <TimS> :P
[20:07] <fdoving> Aranel: kdesudo uses sudo directly, which means the configuration file is /etc/sudoers, the timestamp_timeout option is what you want to add.
[20:07]  * lee986321 figures out what paste does
[20:07] <lido76-02> hoi
[20:07] <fdoving> Aranel: you want to use 'sudo visudo' from a konsole to modify that file.
[20:07] <lee986321> genii is that one better lol
[20:08] <bacon333> I want more coffee..
[20:08] <genii> lee986321: Yup, better :) Reading
[20:08] <lee986321> lol
[20:08]  * genii puts on a pot of coffeee
[20:08] <bacon333> :D
[20:08] <bacon333> I <3 coffee.
[20:08] <lee986321> so thats what the person ment by feeding back
[20:09] <genii> Blueskaj: try debian.yorku.ca/ubuntu
[20:09] <Aranel> fdoving: thanks, but if I add this option, is it logout me in console every 10 minutes ?
[20:09] <lee986321> no one explaind paste bin to me be for lol
[20:09] <fdoving> Aranel: add 'timestamp_timeout=0' without the quotes, to the end of the line starting with 'Defaults', making it look like: Defaults·   !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn,timestamp_timeout=0
[20:09] <sam64> I very much dislike preground coffee
[20:09] <bacon333> hmm
[20:09] <bacon333> I don't mind it..
[20:09] <bacon333> I hate not-fresh coffee..
[20:09] <bacon333> ew.
[20:09] <fdoving> Aranel: no, sudo will just stop remembering your password.
[20:09] <bacon333> It needs to be just brewed..
[20:09] <Aranel> fdoving: thanks, u re awesome :)
[20:09] <bacon333> otherwise, well..
[20:10] <lee986321> hates coffee alltogeather as well as pop, can't hav e em lol
[20:10] <bacon333> even half an hour. I run.
[20:10] <bacon333> You hate coffee!?
[20:10] <sam64> I put fresh beans in the freezer right up till Im ready to use them
[20:10] <lee986321> can't have alchy either lol
[20:10] <bacon333> lol
[20:10] <lee986321> well it more like hates me
[20:10] <the-erm> Anyone know off the top of their heads how to set up a local apt repository?
[20:10] <nonewmsgs> so would you trust an OS whose md5 doesnt match?
[20:10] <lee986321> sends me to hospital
[20:10] <alexandre> people i have instaled kubuntu gutsy and firefox but firefox very very ugly can help me ???
[20:10] <bacon333> I get headaches if I don't drink enough coffee :/
[20:10] <the-erm> Never mind I'll just google it.
[20:10] <Wulong> Hi, I can't get my intergrated audio card to work. Everything looks good, amarok plays just fine but no sound. Output from lspci http://pastebin.com/m260837d5 . Suggestions?
[20:11] <sam64> I dont get coffee related headaches
[20:11] <mike-kubuntu> bacon333: get off of that
[20:11] <lee986321> ok genii, i am also downloading the updates
[20:11] <bacon333> ?
[20:11] <bacon333> I enjoy coffee.
[20:11] <sam64> although I often drink 6 cups minimum
[20:11] <lee986321> eh main ones that is for the system
[20:11] <mike-kubuntu> bacon333: i used to get that to, your addicted physically, and coffe breaks down the nerves in your brain associated with short term memory
[20:11] <bacon333> I think I'm going to go and make more coffee.
[20:12] <alexandre> people i have instaled kubuntu gutsy and firefox but firefox very very ugly anybody can help me ???
[20:12] <bacon333> bullshit
[20:12] <lido76-02> yooo people
[20:12] <bacon333> scientific evidence?
[20:12] <Clerigo> buenas
[20:12] <Pasar> how can i get a text editor with admin rights? "sudo kate" wont work for some reason :(
[20:12] <mike-kubuntu> bacon333: its not dude, go check out recent studies, more than 2 cups a day starts to get harmfull to your nevouse tissue
[20:12] <bacon333> uh huh..
[20:12] <sam64> alexandre: download the safari theme =D
[20:12] <bacon333> people also said that eggs were bad for cholesterol
[20:12] <bacon333> And they just found out it was complete BS
[20:13] <alexandre> sam64: thks i try this
[20:13] <ksivaji> alexandre try someother theme
[20:13] <mike-kubuntu> bacon333: but you don't get headaches from not eating eggs o.o
[20:13] <bacon333> I only got headaches when I first started drinking it
[20:13] <bacon333> I don't get it anymore
[20:13] <alexandre> not theme is ugly is rendering ugly
[20:13] <letalis> ok im mad at this kernel. framebuffer support has been in the kernel since as long as i can remember and NOW its broken??
[20:13] <letalis> this sucks.
[20:13] <alexandre> gmail withoutr colors
[20:13] <letalis> lol
[20:13] <mike-kubuntu> anyone here with a 200m express got it to work with compiz?
[20:13] <sub[t]rnl> letalis: yup
[20:14] <bacon333> Not drinking coffee?
[20:14] <sub[t]rnl> letalis: hopefully they get a fix
[20:14] <bacon333> That's like saying using Windows is good for you.
[20:14] <lee986321> my human nuro net work cant handle the ussage of such input as coffee or alcholic beverages..they severly corupt my system causing ultimate shut down of vital process that result in terminal or catastofic shut down of  bio networks
[20:14] <letalis> consoles are almost unsusable after youve gotten used to it being in 1280x1024.
[20:14] <mike-kubuntu> lol, i know, i still drink like 4 cups a day too
[20:14] <ksivaji> alexandre try opera or install vedio driver
[20:14] <mike-kubuntu> but its scary that they have evidence of that
[20:14] <TimS> Whens KDE4 and Amarok 2 due to be released
[20:14] <sam64> its not really scary..
[20:15] <alexandre> ksivaji: not video driver, konkeror works fine, only firefox have this problem
[20:15] <nonewmsgs> no one as any comments about that i cant get a good md5 on a burn
[20:15] <sam64> cause theyve proven that 6 cups a day is good for you
[20:15] <Alarm> hello. how can i upgrade my system by ignoring some packages ugrades
[20:15] <Kachna> TimS: december i think
[20:15] <Kachna> or november..
[20:15] <TimS> I want Amarok 2 so badlt
[20:15] <genii> lee986321: Sorry for lag. Several others i am also assisting plus work.
[20:15] <TimS> baddly*
[20:15] <bacon333> sam64: YES!
[20:15] <Alarm> for example if my upgrade wants to install foo1, foo2 , foo3 . to ignore the foo2 for example to be upgraded
[20:15] <bacon333> *goes off to make some coffee
[20:15] <mike-kubuntu> is there any danger in enabling the kde4 beta 3 repo's?
[20:15] <lee986321> its ok i know your human lol
[20:15] <jeffto> hello there
[20:15] <ksivaji> alexandre ho it seems that problem is with firefox .
[20:15] <lee986321> i think
[20:16] <mulander> anyone has an idea what could cause the resolution problems?
[20:16] <bacon333> http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/coffee.htm
[20:16] <genii> lee986321: Try to run that command in the way shown at the link I gave you, with the -dpkg Ubuntu/feisty    (or gutsy or so) parts etc
[20:16] <bacon333> I win
[20:16] <sam64> coffee actually lowers your chances of getting diabetis and a few other things
[20:16] <sdlnxgk> 911 I need  help !!!  I uninstalled some package by mistake for openoffice language and now adept and allot of other programs are gone is there a way to go back????
[20:16] <osh_> Hmm, bad bug after upgrade. I need to install "alsa-oss" manually to get youtube-videos to play with sound. :-/
[20:16] <bacon333> yes. Yes it does.
[20:16] <lee986321> ok
[20:16] <lee986321> oooooooh ok
[20:17] <mulander> refreshing the question: 'When I try to raise my screen resolution, the display gets corrupted - it worked on higher res. before the upgrade what could cause the problem now?'
[20:17] <bacon333> ok wait
[20:17] <bacon333> install restricted drivers?
[20:17] <bacon333> mulander: did you install the restricted drivers?
[20:17] <jeffto> I have found a bug in kcontrol on kde3.5.8 on kubuntu gutsy, how I can report it
[20:17] <jeffto> ?
[20:17] <mulander> bacon333: no, ati opensource drivers
[20:17] <bacon333> ah
[20:17] <bacon333> hmm.
[20:17] <mike-kubuntu> any danger on enabling the kde4 repos? will it touch any other package in my system, or does it keep the beta ones seperate?
[20:17] <sam64> well I gotta go
[20:18] <mulander> bacon333: and it worked before version upgrade
[20:18] <bacon333> mulander: Go to K menu > system settings > Monitor and display
[20:18] <yonkeltron> the volume keys on my thinkpad are not broken...due to gutsy...is there anything i can do?
[20:18] <bacon333> k
[20:18] <mulander> bacon333: and?
[20:18] <bacon333> and adjust the settings..
[20:18] <sub[t]rnl> jeffto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[20:18] <mulander> bacon333: hsync and vsync are set ok
[20:18] <bacon333> ok
[20:18] <bacon333> and screen size?
[20:18] <aklgagdgj> "downloading and verifying the upgrade tool..."   <--- hangs in there
[20:18] <aklgagdgj> something wrong?
[20:19] <mulander> bacon333: changing it to higher res brings the display corruption
[20:19] <bacon333> hmm..
[20:19] <bacon333> ok, and your refresh rate is maxed to your monitors refresh rate?
[20:19] <sub[t]rnl> aklgagdgj: The servers are slow right now
[20:19] <aklgagdgj> OMG!!!
[20:19] <aklgagdgj> I can't wait!!
[20:19] <aklgagdgj> sub[t]rnl: how about speeding them up?
[20:19] <sub[t]rnl> neither can anyone else
[20:19] <mulander> bacon333: according to my monitors manual it can handle 75kHz in 1600x1200
[20:20] <sub[t]rnl> thats the problem :(
[20:20] <mulander> and that's the current setting
[20:20] <bacon333> hmm
[20:20] <bacon333> ok
[20:20] <aklgagdgj> I think ubntu should upgrade them servers
[20:20] <bacon333> you mean hz
[20:20] <bacon333> :D
[20:20] <lido76-02> Hallo mensen
[20:20] <mulander> bacon333: typo :)
[20:20] <bacon333> mulander: just wait a while for an update then... it might be ubuntu's problem..
[20:20] <bacon333> :D
[20:20] <lido76-02> zijn er ook nederlanders
[20:20]  * nonewmsgs wonders if Hz is actually kHz
[20:20] <sdlnxgk> is there an undo delete for kubuntu???
[20:20] <aklgagdgj> that's not a way of running a business. Do you see m$$ servers ever slowing down on an upgrade? Do you see Apple ever slowing down on a upgrade??
[20:21] <lido76-02> you are geeks
[20:21] <genii> lee986321: Since i am in may channels please help me by putting my name in any messages to me so i can see the channel blink red...thx
[20:21] <genii> *many
[20:21] <sdlnxgk> I uninstalled a openoffice file and now missing adept and allot of other programs
[20:21] <yonkeltron> lido76-02: we're bigger geeks
[20:21] <lee986321> genii waiting on the system up dates ..iam kind unable to do any thing atm uti they are dne lol
[20:21] <genii> lee986321: Ah, ok
[20:21] <lee986321> genii yeah i thaught that
[20:21] <bacon333> aklgagdgj: pfft, M$ never has more than 50kbps anyway..
[20:22] <bacon333> aklgagdgj: you never notice any slowdown, because it's always slow :D
[20:22] <cap601> Whenever I start up Gutsy the panels don't appear.  How can I get them to appear automatically?
[20:22] <sub[t]rnl> have you ever seen a microsoft ever offer to upgrade their operating system for free? oh wait, thats right..
[20:22] <aklgagdgj> I've been pressing thr upgrade button for hours now :(
[20:22] <lee986321> M$ media plays stincs
[20:23] <lee986321> it clips, the base is distorted and..
[20:23] <draik> 7.10 released already?
[20:23] <nonewmsgs> sub[t]rnl actually ms does do service packs
[20:23] <sub[t]rnl> draik: yup
[20:23] <lee986321> oh yea ya the highs are scracthy
[20:23] <draik> How is it?
[20:23] <sub[t]rnl> sweet
[20:23] <bacon333> Yeah
[20:23] <sdlnxgk> anyone out there that can help me??
[20:23] <bacon333> now Microsoft is offering "Windows One LiveCare"
[20:23] <draik> Screenshots?
[20:23] <sub[t]rnl> sdlnxgk: whats your question
[20:24] <bacon333> This way, M$ can rake in EVEN More money from you, by fixing their own problems.
[20:24] <bacon333> Having a bug free system wouldn't be too M$-like..
[20:24] <sdlnxgk> sub[t]rnl,  I deleted a openoffice file and now adept and allot of other programs are missing :(
[20:24] <aklgagdgj> that's  what I am saying, Ubuntu shouldn't have a mediocre servers
[20:24] <bacon333> where's the business in that?
[20:24] <aklgagdgj> that's not professional
[20:24] <bacon333> Ubuntu has great servers
[20:24] <bacon333> M$ has far worse than Ubuntu's servers..
[20:24] <aklgagdgj> bacon333: I cannot upgrad
[20:24] <sub[t]rnl> sdlnxgk: sudo apt-get install adept
[20:24] <nonewmsgs> can i upgrade to gutsy by using a cd as a synaptic source?
[20:25] <bacon333> aklgagdgj: change your apt-resources or soemthing then
[20:25] <sdlnxgk> sub[t]rnl,  I tried that once but the sources were locked for some reason
[20:25] <aklgagdgj> what's the command line to upgrade?
[20:25] <bacon333> or software sources
[20:25] <sdlnxgk> let me try again
[20:25] <sub[t]rnl> aklgagdgj: sudo apt get udate %% sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:25] <sub[t]rnl> err.. && instead of %%
[20:25] <LiL-JoN> how come my video is choppy with mplayer?
[20:25] <aklgagdgj> sub[t]rnl: thanks
[20:25] <MrBallZ> genii: my upgrade assistant doesn't run, i click on version upgrade , and it downloads it, but nothing runs
[20:25] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: are you running compiz-fusion with it?
[20:26] <sdlnxgk> sub[t]rnl,  will not let me get access says it's locked by another process
[20:26] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i just turned off compiz-fusion its horrible
[20:26] <bacon333> Compiz fission is better... j/k :D
[20:26] <sub[t]rnl> sdlnxgk: don't apt-get if your already using it, like with adept_manager or something
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[20:27] <aklgagdgj> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:27] <ksivaji> sub[t]rnl ps -le
[20:27] <aklgagdgj> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:27] <sdlnxgk> sub[t]rnl,  I was using adept but had to close it down it was deleting all my programs
[20:27] <aklgagdgj> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:27] <aklgagdgj> what does this mean?
[20:27] <sub[t]rnl> aklgagdgj: that your using the most current version of the system
[20:27] <bacon333> meh
[20:27] <aklgagdgj> I do I know I've upgraded?
[20:27] <bacon333> I'm going to go and re-install Kubuntu
[20:28] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: so can you help me
[20:28] <bacon333> I'll be back in an hour or so
[20:28] <aklgagdgj> sub[t]rnl: but I am trying to upgrade to Gutsy
[20:28] <sdlnxgk> I don't really want to reinstall but might have to
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> aklgagdgj: in a cli, type lsb_release -a
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> aklgagdgj: tell me what it says
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: yeah go to prefrences and change the video driver to X11 for me
[20:28] <aklgagdgj> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[20:28] <aklgagdgj> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[20:28] <sdlnxgk> sub[t]rnl,  is there a file some where that shows what I uninstalled?
[20:28] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: tell me if it looks better
[20:28] <LiL-JoN> ok
[20:29] <sub[t]rnl> sdlnxgk: /var/log/dpgk.log
[20:29] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: x11Shm?
[20:30] <aklgagdgj> whath's wrong?
[20:30] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: now when i open that page it crashes
[20:30]  * xevious pops in
[20:30] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: open what page?
[20:30] <xevious> aklgagdgj: you're trying to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:30] <LiL-JoN> the page with the video on it
[20:31] <cap601> Whenever I start up Gutsy the panels don't appear.  How can I get them to appear automatically?
[20:31] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: go back to the Xv driver
[20:31] <aklgagdgj> xevious: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:31] <sub[t]rnl> cap601: press alt+f2 and type kicker
[20:31] <LiL-JoN> i cant it closes before i can do anythign sub[t]rnl
[20:31] <xevious> aklgagdgj: have you updated your sources.list to point to the gutsy repositories?
[20:31] <lee986321> genii grabbing a bit...systems doing  a rather bulky up date
[20:31] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: apt-get --purge remove mplayer, apt-get install mplayer
[20:32] <cap601> sub[t]rnl: I've tried that but they disappeared again on rebooting
[20:32] <aklgagdgj> OK  NOW IT'S WORKING
[20:32] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[20:32] <aklgagdgj> does it need a new kernel?
[20:32] <sub[t]rnl> cap601: make sure they are not auto hiding?
[20:32] <xevious> aklgagdgj: it installs a new kernel
[20:33] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: done
[20:33] <bacon333> Hello
[20:33] <bacon333> I'm back...
[20:33] <bacon333> I'm going to re-install Kubuntu ^^
[20:34] <cap601> sub[t]rnl: Both are on "Only hide when a panel-hiding button is clicked" and there are also no such buttons
[20:34] <kamikaze> трям
[20:34] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: now what
[20:34] <kamikaze> пошлите меня на русский канал пжалста
[20:34] <sub[t]rnl> cap601: next time they disapear, run ps aux|grep kicker to see if the processes are really ending
[20:34] <Kamijo> anyone here who have installed Gutsy on a Dell D380?
[20:34] <bacon333> lol russian...
[20:35] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: it crashes still
[20:35] <lee986321> waht a version upgrade waht CD did I load?
[20:35] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: it crashes still
[20:35] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: open up konsole, and run mplayer from it
[20:36] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: tell me what the error is
[20:36] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: and what video driver are you using?
[20:36] <lee986321> I thaught this was gutsy lol
[20:36] <xevious> lee986321: lsb_release -a
[20:36] <aklgagdgj> what are the stuff I need to fix manually in Ginsob?
[20:37] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i dont get a error
[20:37] <lee986321> genii erg I thauhg tthe cdrom that I placed in the tray was the upgrade lol
[20:37] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i get this long list of keys i can press in mplayer
[20:37] <aklgagdgj> *Gutsy
[20:37] <lee986321> oh so then no panic ok
[20:37] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: so mplayer isn't crashing, only when you attempt to play a video?
[20:37] <LiL-JoN> yeah
[20:37] <ksivaji> is it possible to cheat ISP and use more bandwidth
[20:38] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: yeah
[20:38] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: what video driver? do you have compiz-fusion running?
[20:38] <LiL-JoN> what video driver in mplayer sub[t]rnl?
[20:38] <sub[t]rnl> ksivaji: yes
[20:38] <lee986321> xevious wahts a lsb_release -a?
[20:38] <bacon333> oh shit hard drive clicking sounds. I'm screwed.
[20:38] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: the X11 video driver
[20:38] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: no compiz is off
[20:38] <bacon333> sorry
[20:38] <ksivaji> sub[t]rnl in wired network
[20:38] <genii> back
[20:38] <lee986321> oh you are so totally screwed
[20:38] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i cant tell you it crashes
[20:38] <xevious> lee986321: run that in a Konsole and it'll tell you which release you're running
[20:38] <bacon333> yup.
[20:38] <xevious> bacon333: start burning backup cds/dvds
[20:39] <lee986321> ah ok
[20:39] <genii> bacon333: clicking = usually fatal
[20:39] <bacon333> I already have :D
[20:39] <bacon333> I know
[20:39] <bacon333> Oh, it stopped
[20:39] <bacon333> maybe it was just my CD
[20:39] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: right click on mplayer, go to prefrences, and change around the video driver till you find one that works
[20:39] <Dr_willis> or its a fan cutting through a power wire in the case. :)
[20:40] <LiL-JoN> what video driver did you say i should use?
[20:40] <tommymann> I'm having trouble setting up a guest user account
[20:40] <bacon333> I honestly don't know why gparted isn't pre-installed in Kubuntu.
[20:40] <aklgagdgj> I am w00ting
[20:40] <bacon333> gparted is so much more awesome than qparted. I don't even know what qparted is.
[20:40] <tommymann> qparted is gparted ported
[20:40] <bacon333> huh
[20:41] <bacon333> gparted is better.. :D
[20:41] <bacon333> works just as well, no?
[20:41] <tommymann> it's the same program in a different language
[20:41] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: what video driver did you say i should use?
[20:41] <bacon333> ah
[20:41] <flake> here i sit all broken-hearted, came to dump but only g-parted
[20:41] <lee986321> No LSB modules are available
[20:41] <bacon333> but it seems less awesome.
[20:41] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: mplayer and the X11 video driver should run well
[20:41] <tommymann> depends on if you like qt or not
[20:41] <sub[t]rnl> flake: lol
[20:41] <LiL-JoN> nope
[20:41] <xevious> lee986321: lsb_release -a, not just lsb_release
[20:41] <bacon333> same stuff to me
[20:41] <LiL-JoN> it STILL CRASHES :::::::::::::::[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
[20:41] <bacon333> What is qt anyway?
[20:42] <cap601> sub[t]rnl: Just rebooted and no panels. ps aux|grep kicker gives  "josh      5707  0.0  0.1   5128   824 pts/1    R+   20:39   0:00 grep kicker"
[20:42] <lee986321> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41223/
[20:42] <bacon333> :/
[20:42] <tommymann> it's the gtk of kde
[20:42] <lee986321> i did
[20:42] <tommymann> if you want it in gnome terms
[20:42] <bacon333> ok...
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> LiL-JoN: try other video drivers.  Don't just yell in the channel please
[20:42] <bacon333> *wonders what gtk is :D
[20:42] <bacon333> I really don't know much about it
[20:42] <tommymann> gnome tool kit I think is the accronym
[20:42] <bacon333> all I know is it has something to do with programs..
[20:42] <bacon333> ah
[20:42]  * sub[t]rnl tags xevious
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> smoke break
[20:42] <lee986321> xevious http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41223/
[20:43] <xevious> rightio
[20:43] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: i dont get how you can yell  tpying?
[20:43] <aklgagdgj> it got interrupted because I don't have enougth free mem on /var
[20:43] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: im jut going to remove mplayer and mozilla-mplayer
[20:43] <MrBallZ> help... after i click on version upgrade and get the windows, the upgrade tool doesn't come up ... any sugestions on bringint it to life ?
[20:43] <LiL-JoN> sub[t]rnl: and reinstall them
[20:43] <xevious> lee986321: try without the ' '
[20:43] <bacon333> Well, since Windows is clearly a better OS than UBuntu...
[20:43] <bacon333> j/k :D
[20:43] <lee986321> oh ok
[20:44] <MrBallZ> !kick bacon333
[20:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick bacon333 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:44] <bacon333> hahaha
[20:44] <MrBallZ> lol
[20:44] <flyingparchment> after upgrading to 7.10, amarok keeps crashing.  is this a known issue?
[20:44] <LiL-JoN> !kick | bacon333
[20:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:44] <bacon333> lol
[20:44] <LiL-JoN> lol
[20:44] <LiL-JoN> i wanted to see if it worked
[20:44] <bacon333> >:(
[20:45] <bacon333> Time to delete some partitions..
[20:45] <cap601> Whenever I boot up Gutsy my panels do not appear unless I manually run kicker.  How can I get this going automatically?
[20:45] <xevious> bacon333: graphical toolkits (gtk, qt) control how pretty much everything is drawn on screen. scrollbars, text boxes, lists, dropdowns, everything that you see, just about.
[20:45] <aklgagdgj> OMG!!
[20:45] <bacon333> ah
[20:45] <bacon333> nice
[20:45] <bacon333> SDL is win.
[20:45] <xevious> sdl is a cross platform graphics library
[20:46] <lee986321> xevious same thing i left out the quotes
[20:46] <aklgagdgj> how do   I check free space on my hard drive?
[20:46] <lee986321> in the earlier
[20:46] <MrBallZ> help... after i click on version upgrade and get the windows, the upgrade tool doesn't come up ... any sugestions on bringint it to life , so i can finish my upgrade ...  ?
[20:46] <xevious> lee986321: hmmm
[20:46] <LiL-JoN> aklgagdgj: give your computer a bath :]
[20:46] <xevious> lee986321: i'm not an ati user, let me read up
[20:46] <tommymann> aklgagdgj: do you want to know all the time or just right now
[20:47] <bacon333> installing ubuntu
[20:47] <lee986321> genni helping withat lol
[20:47] <bacon333> it's best to not really look at your settings when you install it..
[20:47] <genii> lee986321: Thats the same result as before because you are still trying to run it the same way as before. try instead (in the same directory the file is in):sudo chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8.41.7-x86.x86_64.run;    sudo bash ati-driver-installer-8.41.7-x86.x86_64.run  --buildpkg Ubuntu/feisty          <-- if feisty. if gutsy substitute appropriately
[20:47] <kaminix> Anyone else having slight probems with kaffeine/xine in Gutsy?
[20:47] <bacon333> :D
[20:47] <lee986321> its the upgrading i know idea why lol
[20:47] <bacon333> I haven't tried it yet..
[20:47] <LiL-JoN> OMG my firefox wont play wmvs this is why i like windows
[20:47] <bacon333> ew
[20:47] <bacon333> how do you like windoze?
[20:47] <lee986321> genii oh its up grading to a newer version
[20:47] <genii> xevious: for reference please see: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.41.7_Driver_Manually
[20:48] <LiL-JoN> because i can play wmv's with having to do any work
[20:48] <MrBallZ> genii: help... after i click on version upgrade and get the windows, the upgrade tool doesn't come up ... any sugestions on bringint it to life , so i can finish my upgrade ...  ?
[20:48] <bacon333> isn't that windoze media video or something?
[20:48] <cap601> Whenever I boot up Gutsy my panels do not appear unless I manually run kicker.  How can I get this going automatically?
[20:48] <bacon333> vmw?
[20:48] <bacon333> wmv*
[20:48] <tommymann> lil-jon but you can play oggs now without doing any work
[20:48] <lee986321> evedently i stuck the wrong disk in the drive lol
[20:48] <tommymann> you win some you lose some
[20:48] <tommymann> get easyubuntu
[20:48] <LiL-JoN> tommymann: to bad i dont play oggs
[20:48]  * MrBallZ is affraid of restaring computer when the upgrade wasn't finalized
[20:49] <bacon333> lil-jon, are you flaming linux or something?
[20:49] <aklgagdgj> how can  I check free space on my hard drive?
[20:49] <tommymann> use easyubuntu to get your propreitary codecs
[20:49] <LiL-JoN> MrBallZ: i hope your computer dies
[20:49] <bacon333> Really, you can't even compare Ubuntu to Windoze
[20:49] <LiL-JoN> bacon333: not at all
[20:49] <bacon333> *burns windows XP discs
[20:49] <tommymann> lil-jon easyubuntu.freecontrib.org
[20:49] <lee986321> genii eh he was asking about my version (second line))
[20:49] <genii> MrBallZ: from konsole:       sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:50] <aklgagdgj> whoa thanks god I've got free room, how do I enlarg a volume?
[20:50] <LiL-JoN> so can anybody help me with my firefox crashing after trying to watch a wmv or mpeg with mplayer?
[20:50] <sub[t]rnl> your firefox is crashing? when you try to watch something with mplayer??
[20:50] <ksivaji> LiL-JoN add some plugings
[20:50] <LiL-JoN> ksivaji: i have all of them :sdjfkafmdsafjdadsanpi
[20:51] <bacon333> wow, Kubuntu inststalls fast.
[20:51] <Dragnslcr> LiL-JoN- you can try #ubuntu as well, since that doesn't sound like a KDE-specific problem
[20:51] <bacon333> Don't think you can play games and browse the interwebs in Widnows while it's taking its time installing...
[20:51] <tommymann> run it in terminal
[20:51] <kaminix> Ok, so I have libxvidcore4 and the mplayer codecs installed in my Xine-loving Kaffeine player now. Why can't I play XviD? Kaffeine lags up. Hade same with a DivX5 file until I installed mplayer codecs.
[20:51] <tommymann> and give a terminal read on the forums
[20:51] <bacon333> you can't even install XP within 2 hours..
[20:51] <LiL-JoN> yeah Dragnslcr but they are busy helping other people
[20:51] <bacon333> nevermind 20 min
[20:51] <tommymann> last two posts to lil-jon
[20:52] <ksivaji> !windows
[20:52] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[20:52] <tommymann> with crashes you may have to wait a few days for forum assistance
[20:52] <bacon333> hahahahah
[20:52] <tommymann> !jesus
[20:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jesus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:52] <lee986321> eh wait a minit, if Iam 7.10 then waht is the UPgrade its refering to?
[20:52] <cap601> Whenever I boot up Gutsy my panels do not appear unless I manually run kicker.  How can I get this going automatically?
[20:52] <tommymann> this thing is going down in the rapture
[20:53] <bacon333> !windoze
[20:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windoze - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:53] <bacon333> awww...
[20:53] <bacon333> !microsoft
[20:53] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[20:53] <lee986321> genii eh Iam 7.10 why is it upgrading to a new version?
[20:53] <XenThraL> hum, anyone know of any good frotends for mencoder/ffmpeg/etc ?
[20:53] <XenThraL> I don't want to dive in the myriad and seemingly infinite command line arguments
[20:54] <tommymann> kdenlive
[20:54] <bacon333> Ahahhaa
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> cap601: cd ~/.kde/Autostart && ln -s /usr/bin/kicker
[20:54] <aklgagdgj> hi how do I enlarge LVM?
[20:54] <bacon333> bug #1 in Ubuntu
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> cap601: though if it isn't starting automatically, something is off
[20:54] <bacon333> Microsoft has a majority market share.
[20:54] <BigDaddy> hey guys, should kubuntu automatically mount ext3 partitions?
[20:54] <Fade2Blac> i cant get my wirecard to work ;(
[20:54] <Fade2Blac> this sucks
[20:54] <tommymann> bigdaddy yes
[20:55] <Fade2Blac> i have a laptop that cant connect wirelessly
[20:55] <tommymann> bigdaddy the only time I have seen it not is when people install ntfs-3g sometimes
[20:55] <Dr_willis> Gotta love it when a guy asks a Q. then ignreos your answer..
[20:55] <lee986321> what the..it said taht there is no upgrade and the upgrade will be cancled lol
[20:55] <yonkeltron> sleep is broken in gutsy...i have a thinkpad....
[20:55] <BigDaddy> That's what I thought. I used the live CD to resize my old XP partition so that I could my /home
[20:55] <keoni86> hi
[20:55] <genii> lee986321: Lots of updates i imagine
[20:55] <keoni86> im trying to install on a nvraid system im folloing a howto but for somereason I am unable to do apt-get install ubuntu-base any ideas? im being told "E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-base"
[20:55] <yonkeltron> can someone help me try and diagnose the problem?
[20:55] <Dr_willis> someone tell this guy to check the mount man page unser the 'user'  option in #ubuntu      <kahrytan> How do I mount ext3 partition as user?
[20:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[20:55] <sub[t]rnl> Dr_willis: heyas :P
[20:56] <BigDaddy> tommymann: I tried mounting it with just a rightclick mount, but that did not work either.
[20:56] <lee986321> genii ok iam back on track now that the system puked back the up grade lol
[20:56] <genii> keoni86: First try: sudo apt-get update    then: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base
[20:56] <tommymann> bigdaddy: did you try to mount it in terminal
[20:56] <Fade2Blac> anyone have any ideas by my wireles card is not finding any networks after i install the driver for it
[20:56] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: instead of asking some to tell this guy, why don't you tell me?
[20:57] <Dr_willis> BigDaddy,  what  exactly  Heh - hes not sure WHAT he wants..
[20:57] <sub[t]rnl> Fade2Blac: what wireless card are you using?
[20:57] <Dr_willis> i do not think that using the 'user' option in fstab alters the file system permissions on the filesystem
[20:57] <Fade2Blac> boradman or something like that let me check
[20:57] <BigDaddy> tommymann: Not yet. I did edit my fstab and restart my xserver. I thought that might have done it though
[20:58] <Dr_willis> ahh - hers the probem --> <kahrytan> src,  try again with  non-geek lang
[20:58] <mathias> hola
[20:58] <Fade2Blac> broadcom
[20:58] <Dr_willis> I think its a failure of learning the FUNDAMENTALS. :)
[20:58] <mathias> alguien habla español
[20:58] <tommymann> bigdaddy: try it in terminal
[20:58] <sub[t]rnl> !sp | mathias
[20:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:58] <Fade2Blac> BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
[20:58] <lee986321> genii step one done
[20:58] <tommymann> bigdaddy: I had an external and I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't mount
[20:58] <keoni86> ive done the update multiple times i was able to apt-get install dmraid
[20:58] <word> !es | mathias
[20:58] <ubotu> mathias: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[20:58] <sub[t]rnl> ahh, es!
[20:58] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[20:58] <tommymann> bigdaddy: until I tried mounting in terminal
[20:58] <lee986321> genii moving on to step 2
[20:58] <mathias> bueno chau
[20:59] <LiL-JoN> hello can somebody help me with my firefox crashing after trying to play a mpeg file with mplayer (it does this everytime i try to play a mpeg or any file with mplayer)
[20:59] <tommymann> bigdaddy: and it turns out that my harddrive had a mechanical error that the system didn't want to touch
[20:59] <BigDaddy> tommymann: I never had a problem with an external. Just plugged it in and it was on the desktop. What was your problem with it?
[20:59] <yonkeltron> sleep on my thinkpad is broken in gutsy...what are some steps i can take to help myself?
[20:59] <BigDaddy> tommymann: smart system
[20:59] <tommymann> bigdaddy: yeah, so I fscked it and everything was ok
[20:59] <Fade2Blac> sub do u have any ideas
[21:00] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  good flood in Ubuntu. :)
[21:00] <tommymann> bigdaddy: but I had to have terminal tell me why it wasn't mounting
[21:00] <tommymann> bigdaddy: because I tried everything
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> Fade2Blac: not off hand, let me look around
[21:00] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: im banned from it whaa whaaa
[21:00] <keoni86> genii: maybe my sources.list is incorrect or something? i was able to do apt-get install dmraid in the chroot
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> Fade2Blac: you said you had to install a driver? for it to be recognized?
[21:01] <Fade2Blac> no
[21:01] <Dr_willis> LiL-JoN,  you did paste 10 lines...
[21:01] <Dr_willis> 10 identical lines.. :)
[21:01] <Fade2Blac> it was already recognized
[21:01] <Fade2Blac> but i had to install one for it to work
[21:01] <lee986321> genii its updating and at 45 percent after the completion of this line
[21:01] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: they've never helped me anyways?
[21:01] <Fade2Blac> its the card that u need to install the driver from restricted fw
[21:01] <LiL-JoN> Dr_willis: they've never helped me anyways.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> Given the Quality of your question.. :) im not suprised
[21:02] <bacon333> Now my computer is 'scanning the mirror'
[21:02] <`ph8> hey all! I've just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and i'm trying to enable compiz - i think i'm still using kwin, can anyone tell me how to turn it on?
[21:02] <LiL-JoN> im going to ignore you
[21:02] <Dr_willis> You might want to check the forums for your problem
[21:02] <Dr_willis> it sounds rather rare.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> but since you got me on ignore.. i wont bother  looking for you then..
[21:02] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[21:03] <BigDaddy> tommymann: this may be dumb to ask, but I need to mount my new partition before moving my /home to it right?
[21:03] <Dr_willis> Thers a lot of interesting 'ideas' as to how people should be helped in #ubuntu floating about.
[21:03] <tommymann> yeah, normally /home should be on the most stable partition
[21:03] <Fade2Blac> this sucks
[21:03] <Dr_willis> i like to keep /home on its own hard drive
[21:04] <tommymann> I'm with you
[21:04] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: that is what I am doing, moving it to a new partition
[21:04] <Dr_willis> mount new drive. like to /media/newhome  COPY home to it.
[21:04] <Dr_willis> Then  move /home to some other name /oldhome
[21:04] <sub[t]rnl> Fade2Blac: are you using ndiswrapper?
[21:04] <shadowhywind> hay all here is a question for you.
[21:04] <Dr_willis> then Mount /media/newhome to /home
[21:04] <Dr_willis> is how i normally do it.
[21:04] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: Can I change the name (Newhome) at anytime after mounting?
[21:04] <TrueFX> hi guys
[21:05] <Dr_willis> then if it works and you verify it .. and only then. remove the old home. :_
[21:05] <Dr_willis> BigDaddy,  of course. :)
[21:05] <tommymann> I back Dr_willis on that one bigdaddy
[21:05] <TrueFX> how can i move listed and grepped files to another directory ?
[21:05] <Dr_willis> or ya can just  link it.
[21:05] <Dr_willis> ln -s /home /media/newhome
[21:05] <shadowhywind> I am 58% done getting the updates, and about 30 mins away from having to shutdown my laptop. If i hibernate and power it back on later. would that continue the update? or is it better to just start over?
[21:05] <fdoving> TrueFX: xargs
[21:05] <TrueFX> ls |grep debug | ...??? mv /destination
[21:05] <TrueFX> how should i use it ?
[21:05] <TrueFX> can u write explicitely ?
[21:05] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: the plan is this. Move my /home to it's own partition. Whack kubuntu 7.04 and clean install 7.10
[21:06] <tommymann> shadowhywind: why not just lock the session?
[21:06]  * xevious starts strigi indexing
[21:06] <Fade2Blac> m
[21:06] <Dr_willis> BigDaddy,  thats doable.
[21:06] <lee986321> genii I made it this far http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41223/
[21:06] <bacon333> how do I change my software sources in Kubuntu?
[21:06] <speedy-gonz> hello problem with x as normal user "I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0 "
[21:06] <Dr_willis> BigDaddy,  i normally  manually edit the fstab after an install to point to the proper home.
[21:06] <sub[t]rnl> shadowhywind: if you hibernate, it will stop the update.
[21:06] <Dr_willis> i dotn trust the installer to  do it. :)
[21:06] <shadowhywind> because i am going home for the weekend, and want to take the laptop with me
[21:06] <genii> back
[21:07] <tommymann> bacon333: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:07] <bacon333> k
[21:07] <TrueFX> fdoving: ??
[21:07] <bacon333> but how would I change it during an install?>
[21:07] <jtt> bacon333, do you mean where you get your packages from?
[21:07] <sub[t]rnl> shadowhywind: I would just let it finish, less you would have to start all over
[21:07] <bacon333> yes
[21:07] <genii> lee986321: Thats the same url you keep pasting
[21:07] <bacon333> well, it's hanging at 82 percent
[21:07] <bacon333> "scanning the mirrors"
[21:07] <bacon333> oh wait
[21:07] <bacon333> nvm, its good now :D
[21:07] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: just out of curiosity, why aren't mount points in /mnt ?
[21:08] <BigDaddy> isn't that what mnt stands for?
[21:08] <jtt> bacon333, /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:08] <bacon333> its good now
[21:08] <bacon333> no need :D
[21:08] <genii> lee986321: Or else you still keep trying to run it the same way instead of how i suggested and the install method I posted shows
[21:08] <keoni86> chould someone privmsg me their sources.list
[21:09] <LiL-JoN> hello can somebody help me with my firefox crashing after trying to play a mpeg file with mplayer (it does this everytime i try to play a mpeg or any file with mplayer)
[21:09] <bacon333> I wonder when Windows 666 will be coming out..
[21:09] <sub[t]rnl> speedy-gonz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/127101
[21:09] <fdoving> TrueFX: correct ls|grep bah|xargs mv -t /some/directory/
[21:10] <vzduch> bacon333: never, I suppose
[21:10] <bacon333> :(
[21:10] <tommymann> keoni86: why do you need it
[21:10] <Dr_willis> !find pmount
[21:10] <ubotu> Found: libpmount-dev, libpmount0.0, pmount
[21:10] <Dr_willis> !info pmount
[21:10] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.16-4 (gutsy), package size 84 kB, installed size 656 kB
[21:10] <keoni86> im unable to do apt-get install ubuntu-base
[21:10] <rand_acs> guys, my emerald shows no themes, anyone have an idea how to get this Fetch function working?
[21:10] <keoni86> and i think maybe my sources.list is missing something
[21:10] <fdoving> TrueFX: mv -t dir/ is essential, as xargs will add the rest of the arguments after the full mv command you give.
[21:11] <bacon333> Woot!
[21:11] <bacon333> installation done
[21:11] <bacon333> be back in a bit guys
[21:11] <keoni86> seeing how i can install other packages
[21:11] <`ph8> hey all! I've just upgraded from feisty to gutsy and i'm trying to enable compiz - i can start it with compiz --replace, but none of the effects seem to work!?
[21:11] <tommymann> keoni86: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[21:11] <sub[t]rnl> `ph8: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:11] <`ph8> got it sub
[21:11] <sub[t]rnl> hrm!
[21:11] <`ph8> that's where i'm checking the boxes
[21:11] <keoni86> well im trying to install 7.10 on nvraid and i ahve been following this howto
[21:12] <`ph8> just it doesn't seem to affect compiz :o
[21:12] <keoni86> and i am unable to complete this step
[21:12] <rand_acs> `ph8: I just installed it too, seems yoiu have to set them
[21:12] <BigDaddy> tommymann: OK, I cannot find the proper command for mounting. Where do I find all the switches I need?
[21:12] <sub[t]rnl> `ph8: your positive compiz is running?
[21:12] <LiL-JoN> i guess ill never get help
[21:12] <tommymann> bigdaddy: switches?
[21:12] <`ph8> yep, the title bars on the windows change any everything
[21:12] <`ph8> unless it errors out and that's some sort of fallback
[21:12] <tommymann> bigdaddy: the command is mount
[21:12] <`ph8> Starting emerald
[21:12] <`ph8> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[21:12] <`ph8> Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to find a valid file for theme Clearlooks
[21:13] <`ph8> :o
[21:13] <BigDaddy> it's not just "sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media newhome" is it?
[21:13] <`ph8> any ideas on that one?
[21:13] <tommymann> just sudo mount /dev/hda2
[21:13] <MoLerner> with GRUB: if i'm using savedefault, should i comment out "default x"?
[21:13] <lee986321> genii http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:13] <Fade2Blac> maybe i installed the wrong one can an amd64 run the intel x86 version?
[21:14] <lee986321> yeha I screwed up on the pasting but I got that line
[21:14] <sub[t]rnl> `ph8: where is it tryint to load that theme from?
[21:14] <`ph8> not a clue
[21:14] <adz21c> Fade2Blac: yes
[21:14] <sub[t]rnl> `ph8: doesn't say after the dump?
[21:14] <`ph8> nope sub
[21:14] <hellyeah> wird die hilfe auch auf deutsch angeboten?
[21:15] <`ph8> i don't seem to be able to change the theme either
[21:15] <`ph8> as i have the emerald manager installed as well
[21:15] <Kachna> !de | hellyeah
[21:15] <ubotu> hellyeah: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[21:15] <Dr_willis> use the emerald-theme-manager tool and enable/download new themes
[21:15] <blekos> hi, when i start kopete and choose "set status online" kopete crashes
[21:15] <hellyeah> thx
[21:15] <Kachna> np :-)
[21:15] <ubuntu> hi, people. where i have use russian chanal? kubuntu
[21:16] <Kachna> !ru | ubuntu
[21:16] <ubuntu> who is know?
[21:16] <ubotu> ubuntu: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[21:16] <bacon333> excellent
[21:16] <tommymann> !ru | ubuntu
[21:16] <bacon333> everything seems fine..
[21:16] <Kachna> tommymann: i was faster :P
[21:16] <jtt> !russian |ubuntu
[21:16] <lee986321> genii ok I got it figured out no lol...ok hers the frefeshed link
[21:16] <tommymann> you win
[21:16] <Kachna> !uzbek | Kachna
[21:16] <mike-kubuntu> where do i put blacklisted modules?
[21:16] <lee986321> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ genii
[21:16] <johey> Why isn't Compiz enabled for ATI display adaptors in Gutsy Gibbon? At least not for my two different computers with those kind of cards.
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> mike-kubuntu: /etc/modutils.d/
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> mike-kubuntu: /etc/modprobe.d/
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> sorry
[21:17] <Kachna> johey: ati still has a poor support
[21:17] <Kachna> johey: new driver should bring revolution like today or so :P
[21:18] <`ph8> ok fixed the clearlooks error
[21:18] <`ph8> still not working brilliantly
[21:18] <`ph8> where does the core dump to?
[21:18] <johey> Kachna: Okay. Can't I enable Compiz neither for the free nor the propreitary driver?
[21:18] <poison--> hi guys
[21:19] <poison--> !games
[21:19] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[21:19] <poison--> how can i create a shortcut to execute a program?
[21:19] <poison--> !shortcut
[21:19] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[21:19] <hasse> i have a ace archive containing 80 files, when i try to extract it, it stops at file.c40 i have tried with 4 different archives, same story, anyone ?
[21:19] <hasse> it's unace-nonfree i have installed
[21:20] <XenThraL> `ph8: how did you do it? I think I have the same error as you
[21:20] <poison--> download again?
[21:20] <genii> lee986321: No specific url info in there again LOL just http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:20] <XenThraL> and what command were you using to run compiz?
[21:20] <johey> hasse: Are you exceeding the file size limitation for your file system?
[21:21] <lee986321> genii http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41230/
[21:21] <lee986321> ok try inow lol
[21:21] <genii> lee986321: reading
[21:21] <hasse> no, because i have files at about 8gb, and this one is about 3
[21:21] <hasse> 3gb
[21:21] <johey> hasse: Okay. It was just a wild guess.
[21:23] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: I'll be damned it was that easy. I was trying to make it more difficult
[21:23] <lee986321> genii i am not going any further ten that atm
[21:24] <genii> lee986321: Please. Follow EXACTLY the instructions found here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_8.41.7_Driver_Manually     for feisty or for gutsy it is the same. just put gutsy where it says feisty if this is the case
[21:25] <hasse> johey, if i ran a : unace t file.ace, wverything is fine, but not when i try to extrace
[21:26] <BigDaddy> Dr_willis: how do I commit that mount to the fstab?
[21:26] <lee986321> geniigrr restarting that line
[21:26] <johey> hasse: Sounds like you have problems writing to your file system by some reason.
[21:26] <rickey> if i have a 256 dsl connection and downloading gusty  from the server ,what should be  my exspected download speed
[21:27] <rickey>  i have a reson for asking
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> rickey: 256 what ?
[21:27] <rickey> kb/s
[21:27] <hasse> johey, i done have any problems if the archive is a rar archive
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> rickey: so divide by 8
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> rickey: ~32KB/s
[21:28] <kovensky> hi
[21:28] <dhq> !bemused
[21:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bemused - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:29] <rickey> hummm i ant getting that much
[21:29] <rickey>  only about 27.1
[21:29] <dhq> bemused server is not there for gutsy
[21:29] <johey> hasse: Okay. I don't know then. If you are sure you have free disk space on the partition, I can't tell what's wrong. It would be easiest to blame the archive.
[21:29] <johey> I am about to buy a new computer, mainly for desktop usage with a Kubuntu GNU/Linux system. The hardest choice is the display adapter. What can you recommend? I want one with free drivers for the kernel and Xorg, still decent hardware specs.
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> rickey: Thats reasonable
[21:29] <h3sp4wn> rickey: There can be overhead in a few places
[21:30] <hasse> johey, 100gigs of space, and the archive works on a windows machine
[21:30] <lee986321> genii grrr erasing hdd and restarting grrrrr
[21:30] <vbgunz> no joke. updating kubuntu feisty to gutsy is the absolute worse experience I've ever had on gnu/linux in the last 2 years. I had to restore a backup. how am I supposed to upgrade? none of the instructions work at all what-so-ever. anyone know what I am talking about?
[21:30] <johey> hasse: Ok. I don't know then.
[21:30] <rickey> so on a download like this you cant exspect to get a high bit rate
[21:30] <aro> vbgunz, I know it doesn't help now but I would never recommend using upgrade option
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> vbgunz: just do a reinstall but use apt-get dselect-upgrade if you want
[21:31] <kovensky> I can't access windows shares using Kubuntu
[21:31] <kovensky> I get the infamous NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME error
[21:31] <kovensky> the weird thing is that sometimes I can access shares subdirectories
[21:31] <kovensky> but I can't access any files
[21:32] <vbgunz> aro, what do you recommend?
[21:32] <poison--> permissions issues
[21:32] <kovensky> the transfer fails either via konqueror, mount.cifs, mount.smbfs or smbclient
[21:32] <kovensky> but works under Windows
[21:32] <poison--> <kovensky, try to change dirs and files permissions
[21:32] <h3sp4wn> vbgunz: dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile (before reinstall) then do a server install put the file back and apt-get dselect-upgrade (or just use aptitude it normally works much better than apt-get)
[21:32] <poison--> !permitions
[21:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about permitions - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:32] <poison--> ups
[21:32] <poison--> !permissions
[21:32] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[21:32] <aro> vbgunz, I have always just had two partitions, /home and /, then I just backup whatever I need, format /, and install the newest version
[21:32] <rickey>  you guy,s are doing a hell of a good job , thank for being here
[21:33] <kovensky> poison--: it isn't windows that can't access my shares, it is I who can't access windows shares on the network
[21:33] <kovensky> this is the only computer with linux
[21:33] <poison--> i know
[21:33] <poison--> and u have to change permissions in linux.. not
[21:33] <poison--> win
[21:33] <vbgunz> aro, no way. I need to upgrade. I do not wish to reinstall. this shouldn't really be an option :(
[21:34] <kovensky> I'm not sharing anything, I'm trying to access a share that's hosted on a windows computer
[21:34] <kovensky> if I try to use "smbclient //Server/Share"
[21:34] <aro> vbgunz, it's a lot less painful, but okay
[21:34] <kovensky> it fails with the error
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> vbgunz: just use interactive aptitude then
[21:34] <kovensky> sometimes, if I try to use "smbclient //Server/Share/Dir" it works
[21:34] <kovensky> sometimes it doesn't
[21:34] <h3sp4wn> kovensky: try just use mount -t cifs
[21:34] <kovensky> and I can't access any files
[21:34] <poison--> sudo chmod o+w -R
[21:34] <poison--> add the dir after the cmd
[21:35] <h3sp4wn> kovensky: cifs is the protocol used by new versions of windows
[21:35] <poison--> sumtin like: sudo chmod o+w -R /home/mrp/STUFF/
[21:36] <trilobit> I have a graphic driver problem with the upgradet gutsy (7.04->7.10) the standard installed fglx driver with the ati 3d acceleration works not so fluently with the ati x600 (Hp nx8220). for example the drop down comboboxes in all kde application don't wor well )
[21:36] <kovensky> poison--: I'm on Kubuntu trying to access a windows share. Windows don't have Unix permissions. The share is "Full Control" to Everyone
[21:36] <RivaeAerya_> Hi all - I have a problem. Tracker says everything's indexed but i can't search anything in either the deskbar or the tracker search tool. Can anyone help me?
[21:36] <kovensky> another question is why anonymous login doesn't work
[21:36] <kovensky> I have to login as Administrator
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> trilobit: did you have XGL/compiz running in fiesty?
[21:37] <poison--> mkay
[21:37] <trilobit> no without any xgl I'm runninng kdm
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> trilobit: but do you have XGL installed?
[21:37] <vbgunz> h3sp4wn: how do you use interactive aptitude?
[21:37] <kovensky> h3sp4wn: ls gets stuck on "lsing" the mount contents
[21:37] <h3sp4wn> vbgunz: sudo aptitude
[21:38] <vbgunz> heh
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> U to mark upgradable
[21:39] <kovensky> h3sp4wn: ls can't access the drive, I have to -KILL it
[21:39] <h3sp4wn> kovensky: with cifs ?
[21:39] <kovensky> yes
[21:40] <kovensky> the smb: protocol on Konqueror works up to accessing the computer
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> kovensky: To Vista ?
[21:40] <kovensky> when I try to access the computer, it asks a username and a password
[21:40] <kovensky> the server is XP
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> gutsy ?
[21:40] <BigDaddy> I was just considering switching back to the 64bit verion, does wiine still have problem with 64 bit?
[21:40] <kovensky> yes
[21:40] <sub[t]rnl> BigDaddy: i believe so
[21:40] <h3sp4wn> BigDaddy: The one in the repos should be fine
[21:40] <BigDaddy> damn
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> BigDaddy: probably since it is emulating 32 bit windows
[21:40] <kovensky> I input Administrator and a empty password (anonymous logins aren't working for Kubuntu but work for the other windows machines. why?)
[21:40] <BigDaddy> guess I'll stick with 386 release
[21:40] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[21:41] <h3sp4wn> BigDaddy: If you want a newer version then it won't
[21:41] <kovensky> then I can see the shares
[21:41] <trilobit> nosrednaekim: Yes I have installed xserver-xgl
[21:41] <kovensky> but if I enter the share it says "file or folder doesn't exists"
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> trilobit: remove it, the way xgl is right now, if you have it, it will automaticcaly start
[21:41] <kovensky> if I directly type the path to the mentioned "Dir"
[21:41] <kovensky> I can see it's contents
[21:41] <kovensky> but can't copy or see any of the files
[21:41] <meson10> i am jhaving trouble upgradinmg my system
[21:42] <meson10> it sayd new  version available but..after downloading..it hangs on installing..and doesn do anythinh for hours
[21:43] <h3sp4wn> BigDaddy: The version in ubuntu64 is  a 32 bit application built against 32 bit libs
[21:43] <mpstump> I had that problem too, but it eventually happened. I think the default repositories were pretty bogged down yesterday.
[21:43] <wastedfluid> hey, is /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-suspend-linux still the default suspend script for kde?
[21:43] <BigDaddy> h3sp4wn: so it works, just without any 64bit optimization?
[21:43] <poison--> !compiz
[21:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> wastedfluid: probably as the power-manager uses HAL to tell the somputer to suspend
[21:44] <meson10> !upgrade
[21:44] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:44] <meson10> !hangs
[21:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hangs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:44]  * nosrednaekim thinks its kinda silly to try to optimize 32 bit windows for 64 bit
[21:44] <kovensky> h3sp4wn: when smbclient connects anonymously, I get access denied errors to do even a ls
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> BigDaddy: It works as a 32 bit application
[21:44] <h3sp4wn> kovensky: connect using a username and password then
[21:45] <meson10> !upgrade problems
[21:45] <skyion> Hi Guys having trouble with my Advanced Desktop Effects Setting compiz, its empty
[21:46] <skyion> no setting
[21:46] <skyion> s
[21:46] <skyion> restricted drivers for ati is installed
[21:46] <kovensky> h3sp4wn: then any command gets stuck and timeout
[21:46] <meson10> I am unable to upgrade my kubuntu, after downloading all teh updates it hangs on installation
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> wastedfluid: yeah... it uses HAL.
[21:46] <trilobit> nosrednaekim: thank you I will try it
[21:46] <mpstump> I'm having problems with nvidia drivers. After using the repositories, and trying directly from nvidia, I finally used envy, but I'm still getting staccato video playback with kaffeine.
[21:47] <BigDaddy> anyone else downloading the DVD ISO torrent at the moment? Mine is slow as hell. I would have thought it would be fast today
[21:47] <h3sp4wn> meson10: Are you trying to upgrade between releases with adept ?
[21:47] <meson10> adept_manager
[21:48] <mpstump> the nvidia problem is post gutsy upgrade
[21:48] <coreymon77> hi guys
[21:48] <coreymon77> small problem
[21:48] <coreymon77> while downloading the upgrade packages for edgy last night, there was a power outage and my computer restarted, now apt is all corrupted
[21:48] <tomda> problems?? are there any problems than
[21:48] <meson10> h3sp4wn: adept_manager
[21:48] <h3sp4wn> meson10: If I was you I would do - sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then login via console and do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:48] <coreymon77> is there any way to fix that or do i actually need to do a fresh install
[21:49] <h3sp4wn> meson10: (upgrading kde whilst its running can cause issues)
[21:49] <meson10> h3sp4wn: Hmm Ok
[21:49] <Bur3k> hi
[21:50] <mpstump> anyone else having nvidia problems, or know of fixes?
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> meson10: or just do the aptitude command from in X but its slightly less safe
[21:50] <coreymon77> so, can apt be fixed? because id really rather not do a fresh install
[21:50] <sub[t]rnl> is it complaining about being locked?
[21:50] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: what exactly is corrupted
[21:51] <poison--> <mpstump, using a 7300 gt here perfectely
[21:51] <poison--> used Envy to install tho
[21:51] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: Are you certain its apt (don't say apt if it may be dpkg)
[21:52] <mpstump> mines a 5200, I even tried manual install with the 3 different driver files.
[21:52] <mpstump> in envy, I mean
[21:52] <nosrednaekim> !envy
[21:52] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[21:54] <mpstump> w/o envy, my machine was about 1/10 speed. I tried the repositories, no success.
[21:55] <coreymon77> h3sp4wn: ill give you the error
[21:55] <coreymon77> h3sp4wn: when i try to open adept
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> mpstump: did you try the restricted-manager?
[21:56] <mpstump> The nvidia page is vague about which driver to use. Is it possible my card is now a "legacy" card, even though previous installs it wasn't?
[21:56] <bacon333> Ok
[21:56] <bacon333> How do you change the login screen?
[21:57] <kovensky> mpstump: I'm using an even older card, MX series
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> mpstump: I don't think it is a legacy card, but useplain oldnvidia-glx to be safe
[21:57] <kovensky> and nvidia-glx is working perfectly
[21:57] <kovensky> try running 'apt-get remove nvidia-glx && apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> legacy is like TNT2
[21:57] <bacon333> TNT2 is win
[21:57] <bacon333> I have one :D
[21:57] <nosrednaekim> !kdm
[21:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:57] <mpstump> Ok, I'll go back and try restricted repos again and report  ack. Thanks
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> mpstump: not restricted repos... the restricted-manager, which sets the card up for you
[21:58] <bacon333>  How do you change the Kubuntu login screen?
[21:58] <kovensky> and I still can't do anything on other computer's shares :'(
[21:58] <nosrednaekim> bacon333: google it.
[21:58] <bacon333> I did. Didn't find anything related..
[21:58] <Bur3k> yes buth with the glx how it works with  Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237      ?
[21:58] <bacon333> or too related..
[21:59] <rand_acs> !emerald themes
[21:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald themes - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:59] <mpstump> kovensky, after that, what command to update xorg.conf, etc?
[21:59] <nosrednaekim> bacon333: actually, I think there is a kcontrol odule for it.
[21:59] <kovensky> mpstump: I didn't have to change anything
[21:59] <bacon333> huh
[21:59] <kovensky> but if you're using gutsy
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> bacon333: indeed, "kdmtheme"
[22:00] <kovensky> go to the control panel
[22:00] <bacon333> ok
[22:00] <kovensky> and choose the icon to the right of the keyboard icon
[22:00] <kovensky> a monitor with a "x" inside
[22:00] <bacon333> Where is it nosrednaekim?
[22:00] <bacon333> :/
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> bacon333: in the repositories
[22:00] <flake> i just downloaded a live .iso,  can i drag it to a mounted blank cd-r disc on my desktop to burn it, or use gnome-baker ?
[22:01] <bacon333> no no, how do you access the kde control thing? :S
[22:01] <bacon333> I'm new to KDE, sort of.
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> bacon333: ah... alt+f2, "kcontrol"
[22:01] <bacon333> k
[22:01] <The_Machine> what do i install so i can SSH into my machine at a later time?
[22:01] <The_Machine> (just ssh?)
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: "openssh"
[22:02] <Bur3k> aptg-get install ssh
[22:02] <The_Machine> couldn't find package openssh
[22:02] <The_Machine> oh
[22:02] <The_Machine> just ssh
[22:02] <The_Machine> k
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> it was openssh in fiesty I think.. sorry
[22:02] <The_Machine> oh, yeah
[22:02] <The_Machine> that's why i even asked the question - i always used openssh too :P
[22:02] <Bur3k> apt-cache search ssh
[22:02] <rand_acs> so anyone here installed emerald and actually got the themes?
[22:02] <bacon333> ok
[22:02] <kovensky> it is openssh-server
[22:02] <The_Machine> rand - just download them from somewhere
[22:02] <The_Machine> just type in emerald themes into google or something
[22:03] <The_Machine> yeah kovensky, i get it now
[22:03] <coreymon77> h3sp4wn: www.pastebin.ca/742814
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> rand_acs: go to www.kde-look.com
[22:04] <rand_acs> nosrednaekim: yeah I know you can download individual themes there, but I was hoping to get the standard lot
[22:04] <The_Machine> it isn't working
[22:04] <coreymon77> h3sp4wn: and when i try typing apt-setup in konsole is says command not found
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> rand_acs: ah.. well I think they removed them from the repositories because of liscencing issues
[22:04] <rand_acs> nosrednaekim: that would explain it :)
[22:05] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: have you ran sudo apt-get update?
[22:05] <vbgunz> h3sp4wn: I had broken packages. i was never informed about it but think I fixed them in aptitude. I now have a version upgrade button in adept. I hope this works.
[22:05] <coreymon77> sub[t]rnl: it did say to run apt-setup first
[22:05] <coreymon77> but ill try
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: well, then run that first ;)
[22:06] <esperegu> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr f*ckin upgrade
[22:06] <sam64> hey guys I still cant get apt working
[22:06] <sam64> on feisty
[22:06] <coreymon77> no luck
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> sam64: whats wrong with it?
[22:07] <coreymon77> i tried apt-get update and it gave me this
[22:07] <RytmenPinnen> I'm updating atm and I got an error saying a debconf package migh not be working state, how serious is it?
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: which package?
[22:07] <RytmenPinnen> it says the debconf package
[22:07] <coreymon77> h3sp4wn: www.pastebin.ca/742821
[22:07] <RytmenPinnen> "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped"
[22:07] <sam64> nosrednaekim: it has a broken package in it, and I want it to just ignore it
[22:08] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: sub[t]rnl you guys can look at that too
[22:08] <coreymon77> so, any hope of fixing?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: thanks ;)
[22:08] <sub[t]rnl> I've seen the Dynamic MMAP one before
[22:08] <tekteen> does anyone know how to install compiz-fusion?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> sam64: can you just lock it?
[22:08] <coreymon77> sub[t]rnl: whats it mean?
[22:08] <RytmenPinnen> I tried to tpress report bug too but konqueror refuses to start
[22:09] <sub[t]rnl> you need to set your Apt::Cache-config: to a higher value
[22:09] <sub[t]rnl> and it will fix it
[22:09] <sub[t]rnl> sec, let me find out where
[22:09] <sam64> nosrednaekim: Im not worried about recovering it, I just want to install k3b so I can burn an ISO
[22:09] <coreymon77> and i do that how?
[22:09] <RytmenPinnen> yippii
[22:09] <The_Machine> hey guys, what's the best/recommended VNC server to use to remotely access the GUI of your linux box?
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: yup. simple... do you have an ATI card?
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[22:09] <sam64> nosrednaekim: how would I lock it?
[22:09] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[22:09] <coreymon77> The_Machine: depends, what are you trying to access it from
[22:09] <tekteen> yes
[22:09] <tekteen> and configed
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> sam64: I only know how to do it from within synaptic'
[22:09] <tekteen> need fusion
[22:09] <waylandbill> everyone upgraded to gutsy yet?
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: you need XGL first
[22:10] <bacon333> I did
[22:10] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: go into /etc/apt/ and open apt.conf
[22:10] <tekteen> ok
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> waylandbill: not from the state of the mirrors
[22:10] <sam64> nosrednaekim: I dont have synaptic :\
[22:10] <RytmenPinnen> another error "Could not install "/var/chache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.2-5ubuntu12_i386.deb"
[22:10] <tekteen> I did it on feisty before
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> sam64: umm
[22:10] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: then add this --> APT::Cache-Limit 40000000
[22:10] <The_Machine> corey - why?   give me an example.
[22:10] <RytmenPinnen> hlep me please, I'm kind of worried I'll trash my system with all these errors
[22:10] <coreymon77> The_Machine: what are you trying to access it form
[22:10] <The_Machine> another ..  computer.  I'm not sure what the quesiton is, exactly.
[22:10] <RytmenPinnen> anyone?
[22:10] <coreymon77> The_Machine: OS?
[22:10] <tekteen> how do u install xgl
[22:11] <The_Machine> I mean, Computer A does a VNC session to computer B running VNC Server
[22:11] <The_Machine> both windows and linux
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl"
[22:11] <RytmenPinnen> another error "Could not install "/var/chache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.2-5ubuntu12_i386.deb"
[22:11] <[Relic]> anyway to use cp to copy a drive with all the .<subdirs> copying properly?
[22:11] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: after you've added that to the apt.conf, run sudo apt-get update
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> RytmenPinnen: just wait for it to finish..
[22:11] <RytmenPinnen> k
[22:12] <RytmenPinnen> could not install x11 common, the errors just keep comin, and as far as I know x11 is pretty important
[22:12] <The_Machine> coreymon77, okay, yeah - linux and windows machines will both be accessing it via VNC
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> [Relic]: -R?
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: You can remove the lists
[22:12] <waylandbill> [Relic]: you can use dd to copy a drive.
[22:12] <tekteen> it is installed
[22:12] <[Relic]> nosrednaekim, -R didn't seem to work since none were there
[22:12] <coreymon77> then look at the bot answer
[22:12] <coreymon77> !vnc
[22:12] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: "sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager"
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: /var/lib/apt/lists
[22:12] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: then do and aptitude update or whatever
[22:12] <sam64> nosrednaekim: if I just remove the broken package from the list, will that fix my problem?
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> sam64: what list?
[22:13] <tekteen> isnt that compiz not fusion
[22:13] <coreymon77> sub[t]rnl: umm i cant seem to find apt.conf
[22:13] <sam64> nosrednaekim: the package list
[22:13] <h3sp4wn> coreymon77: dpkg --clear-avail (won't hurt either)
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: its compiz-fusion don't worry
[22:13] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: create it
[22:13] <The_Machine> also, what do i need to be able to burn mp3 files to CD using k3b? :)
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> sam64: probably not... did you try forcing a removal?
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: as audioor as data?
[22:13] <tekteen> k
[22:13] <The_Machine> audio
[22:13] <The_Machine> :P
[22:13] <sub[t]rnl> h3sp4wn: NickPresta had this issue the other night on one of his boxes, this seemed to fix his
[22:13] <RytmenPinnen> now the upgrade seems to be stuck at 3% what do I do?
[22:14] <sub[t]rnl> h3sp4wn: hopefully it works for corymon too
[22:14] <sam64> nosrednaekim: yeah - it said I should re-install it, then uninstall
[22:14] <bacon333> huh
[22:14] <RytmenPinnen> the terminal window is empty
[22:14] <coreymon77> okay, give me a sec, im gonna open irc on my kubuntu box, i have it open on my mac at the moment
[22:14] <bacon333> I can't find any login window controls in the kcontrol thing
[22:14] <hasse> anyone heard of a problem with ace archives if it's more than 40 files ?
[22:14] <bacon333> :(
[22:14] <h3sp4wn> sub[t]rnl: If it was working perfectly for him and the reason it happened was power failure don't see how that is possible
[22:15] <The_Machine> libk3b2-mp3 maybe?
[22:15] <The_Machine> :P
[22:15] <coreymon> okay then
[22:15] <RytmenPinnen> is it possible to cancel the update half way through if its stuck? will my system be trashed when I reboot?
[22:15] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: now what should I do?
[22:15] <coreymon> can you tell me again what the thing im supposed to add to the apt.conf file i just created was
[22:15] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon77: then add this --> APT::Cache-Limit 40000000
[22:15] <sam64> nosrednaekim: actually no.. that was before I tried to force it. after I tried it said this..
[22:16] <sub[t]rnl> h3sp4wn: NickPresta had this come up after he stopped an ugrade
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> sam64: looking into it
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> The_Machine: yup
[22:16] <sam64> nosrednaekim: E: Option -force: Configuration item specification must have an =<val>.
[22:16] <[Relic]> if I use conquer will it copy everything?  backing my directory before I make a new install  :)
[22:16] <[Relic]> konquer  :)
[22:16] <tekteen> nosrednaekim: no what (comp-fusion)
[22:16] <tekteen> now what
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> tekteen: install emerald
[22:16] <RytmenPinnen> is it possible to cancel the update half way through if its stuck? will my system be trashed when I reboot?
[22:16] <tekteen> ok
[22:16] <coreymon> E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:1: Extra junk at end of file
[22:16] <luca> hi veryone
[22:17] <coreymon> i got that
[22:17] <luca> can someone help me please restore alsa?
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> [Relic]: say "show hidden files" before you copy
[22:17] <coreymon> when trying sudo apt-get update
[22:17] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: what exactly did you add to the file
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> bye everyone!
[22:17] <coreymon> i created /etc/apt/apt.conf and then put that one line in it
[22:18] <h3sp4wn> That is a fudge changing something that did work fine
[22:18] <sub[t]rnl> APT::Cache-Limit 40000000;
[22:18] <sub[t]rnl> try that
[22:18] <RytmenPinnen> is it possible to cancel the update half way through if its stuck? will my system be trashed when I reboot?
[22:18] <bacon333> It seems that amarok doesn't install the mp3 support properly. Arg.
[22:18] <sub[t]rnl> then sudo apt-get update
[22:19] <sam64> what context should I use '-force' in? I tried 'apt-get -force remove', but it didnt work
[22:19] <nmjohnso> try apt-get --force remove
[22:19] <The_Machine> coreymon, any suggestion for which VNC server i use?
[22:19] <rand_acs> quick question, does anyone know if compiz will still be usable with KDE 4, or does KWin take over all of the candy now?
[22:19] <nmjohnso> if you are using the full name of a switch a lot of times you need to add the second dash
[22:20] <sub[t]rnl> RytmenPinnen: it won't trash it if it isn't installing packages.  If it is fetching you will be ok
[22:20] <RytmenPinnen> its 3% installing packages
[22:20] <sam64> nmjohnso: "--force is not understood"
[22:20] <RytmenPinnen> there, were a bunch of errors earlier
[22:20] <nmjohnso> well now THAT is interesting
[22:20] <nmjohnso> try -f instead of force?
[22:20] <bacon333> still doesn't work
[22:21] <nmjohnso> and what are you removing?
[22:21] <bacon333> amarok keeps on asking me to install mp3 support, even though I installed it..
[22:21] <coreymon> i personally use freenx, but thats techinically not vnc
[22:21] <sub[t]rnl> -f is to fix broken packages with apt
[22:21] <nmjohnso> ah yes thats right i'm sorry
[22:21] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: okay, apt-get update is running
[22:21] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: woot
[22:21] <coreymon> yay!
[22:22] <RytmenPinnen> is there a chanse I can restart the update then ?
[22:22] <coreymon> no errors!
[22:22] <sam64> Im trying to remove some broken openoffice stuff
[22:22] <bacon333> uhh
[22:22] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[22:22] <bacon333> hello
[22:22] <bacon333> ?
[22:22] <bacon333> :(
[22:22] <RytmenPinnen> I'm getting 1000 of errors :(
[22:22] <nmjohnso> sam: have you tried apt-get -f install?
[22:22] <bacon333> Amarok can't play mp3's properly :(
[22:22] <moofoo> hello, if do-release-upgrade stopped due to some  broken 3rd party packages i removed now, is it safe to run "aptitude dist-upgrade" to continue the update or should i run do-release-upgrade again or do something completely different?
[22:22] <coreymon> and adept worked!
[22:22] <coreymon> thanks alot
[22:22] <sub[t]rnl> np
[22:23] <h3sp4wn> moofoo: have a look in interactive aptitude at what the problems are fix manually
[22:23] <newsense07> anyone know if wine will run ie ?
[22:23] <sam64> nmjohnso: that seems to be working
[22:23] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: are the main repos still slow? or is it better now
[22:23] <moofoo> h3sp4wn: the problems are should be fixed and aptitude dist-upgrade does not complain but i wonder if do-release-upgrade does some additional magic
[22:24] <nmjohnso> ok the -f comman should fix all the broken installs on the system....should being key word
[22:24] <sam64> nmjohnso: part of my problem is that I have an un-fixable package somehow
[22:24] <moofoo> so is it ok to continue the feisty->gutsy upgrade with the "dist-upgrade" ?!
[22:25] <root_> i need help!
[22:25] <nmjohnso> is there any way to make tar split an archive so that it only gets large enough to put on one dvd
[22:25] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: they are still pretty bogged down
[22:25] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: what do you suggest i use then?
[22:25] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: I have a 9mb/s connection though, so nothing really hangs for me
[22:25] <bbeck_> I just upgraded to Gutsy, and I was wondering if anyone else noticed that there are no icons on the tool bar in OpenOffice?
[22:25] <sub[t]rnl> coreyman: you could download an alternate cd, burn it, and upgrade that way
[22:26] <rand_acs> I have another weird issue, I can't drag windows from one desktop to another anymore, on compiz that is
[22:26] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: what about a different mirror
[22:27] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: sure, give it a shot.  the adept upgrade is pretty seemless, and I would use that if it was available
[22:27] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: any suggestions as to what mirror?
[22:28] <phnom> Anyone got any tips on putting a working wastebin on the desktop instead of as an applet in kicker?
[22:28] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[22:28] <bacon333> I would assume so...
[22:28] <bacon333> dunno
[22:28] <atlfalcons866> will it make it in to gusty
[22:28] <coreymon> atlfalcons866: kde4 will be available way before hardy if kde4 is released when its supposed to
[22:28] <rand_acs> ah got it, "Rotate Cube -> Edge Flip Move", damn this thing has many options :p
[22:29] <bacon333> I get this: "Amarok cannot play mp3 files" when I try to play mp3 files in Amarok
[22:29] <moofoo> mh ok so any information on what do-release-upgrade does after the initial checks and modifying the sources?
[22:29] <bacon333> I then click the "install MP3 support" button
[22:29] <coreymon> atlfalcons866: it will be available as a gutsy package when it comes out
[22:29] <bacon333> and it installs it, but once I restart amarok, it still can't play it
[22:29] <bacon333> :(
[22:30] <mw46> Hi, I'm ubgraded from Feisty to Gutsy (Kubuntu). Now I ran adept_updater, it did two updates for gutsy but in the end the sceen reads 'A new distribution version is available! Click next if you want to upgrade now.
[22:30] <mw46> Any ideas?
[22:30] <sam64> nmjohnso: it wasnt able to repair openoffice, but I do have k3b now, which is what I wanted
[22:30] <h3sp4wn> mw46: do you want hardy heron (or whatever its called)
[22:30] <mw46> no, not yet;-)
[22:31] <RytmenPinnen> mw46, I've heard the upgrade button is there even if you've upgraded allready
[22:31] <coreymon> mw46: its just a little bug, dont worry about it
[22:31] <RytmenPinnen> if you succesfully ran the update once you most likely have updated it too
[22:32] <mw46> OK;-) I'll ignore it for now.
[22:32] <RytmenPinnen> hmm, is it safer to dl an iso and update with that? cause the update has frezed at 3%
[22:32] <charims> Kubuntu rocks.
[22:32] <_michael> hello I was wondering if I were to upgrade to Gutsy through adept would my highly customized settings for all my programs get overwritten?
[22:32] <atlfalcons866> is it possible to use kde4 now?
[22:32] <coreymon> RytmenPinnen: are you using the main repos?
[22:32] <RytmenPinnen> yes
[22:32] <coreymon> atlfalcons866: if you want a beta yes
[22:32] <lontra> atlfalcons866: not really ... if you're a tester or a contributer
[22:33] <coreymon> atlfalcons866: is not scheduled for release till december
[22:33] <RytmenPinnen> I've downloaded everything and it has installed 3 %
[22:33] <atlfalcons866> _michael: probably not
[22:33] <flake> tried to boot my media center amd64 x2 with ubuntu7.10 desktop-amd64.iso, but it stays on a black screen - should i try to boot with safe graphics instead, or is there another problem?
[22:33] <coreymon> RytmenPinnen: then its not frozen, the main repos are just quite bogged down
[22:33] <RytmenPinnen> but I'm not downloading
[22:33] <coreymon> RytmenPinnen: try using a different mirror
[22:33] <lontra> _michael: you're settings shouldn't get copied over .
[22:33] <coreymon> RytmenPinnen: what are you doing then?
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> I've dled everything, and 3% installed and now I'm stuck
[22:34] <waylandbill> does the kde4 packages give a full kde4 desktop or does it just allow you to run kde4 programs
[22:34] <atlfalcons866> does gusty kubuntu have same features as ubuntu like automatic printer setup?
[22:34] <coreymon> stuck?
[22:34] <coreymon> for how long
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> yup, nothing happens
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> the terminal is blank
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> about 10 minutes now
[22:34] <coreymon> atlfalcons866: kubuntu=ubuntu except for the DE
[22:34] <mw46> RytmenPinnen: is there a window open waiting for your input?
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> I'm somewhat worried that I wont be booting If I cancel and restart
[22:34] <RytmenPinnen> no
[22:35] <_michael> atlfalcons866: OK, but I have removed some of the default software I didn't need (therefore the kubuntu-desktop meta package isn't installed) would that package get installed with all the extra stuff I've removed (ie would I get say kooka and digikam back and have to remove them again)?
[22:35] <RytmenPinnen> I cant even hide the terminal
[22:35] <mw46> can you look at the console and see what's the last there?
[22:35] <nicolai_> RytmenPinnen: I've tried it being stuck for more than twenty on Feisty. If you can afford being patient you should give it some more time
[22:35] <RytmenPinnen> nothing, its blank
[22:35] <atlfalcons866> _michael: your settings are saved in your /home folder
[22:35] <nicolai_> RytmenPinnen: ahh, nevermind
[22:35] <michael> does any one know how to configure a pcmcia network card wireless g notebook adapter bye linksys
[22:36] <atlfalcons866> _michael: if you remove a program the settings are still there
[22:36] <RytmenPinnen> there was some errors, concerning x11 too
[22:36] <coreymon> michael: depends, what card are we talking here
[22:36] <chemisus> i just installed 7.10, and i can not stand this dolphin browser. could someone please tell me how to make konqueror the default again?
[22:36] <atlfalcons866> chemisus: right click on a folder then change it to konquer
[22:36] <chemisus> i have checked system settings for default applications, could not find anything there
[22:37] <_michael> atlfalcons866: I know but would I be forced to remove all the packages from kubuntu-desktop all over again?
[22:37] <chemisus> atlfalcons866, im pretty sure i tried that. tried opening a folder with konqueror and setting it to always open with
[22:37] <newsense07> anyone have any problems with the wine configurator in gutsy yet?
[22:37] <atlfalcons866> _michael: i upgraded from kubuntu fiesty and still have i my programs
[22:37] <mw46> RytmenPinnen: there is also a log file written in /var/log/dist-upgrade/... maybe that gives a hint.
[22:38] <coreymon> michael: huh? 7.10 uses dolphin?
[22:38] <RytmenPinnen> k, I'll take a look at that
[22:38] <coreymon> michael: i thought that was not until kde4
[22:38] <nicolai_> coreymon: they've made a port of it
[22:38] <coreymon> michael: whoops! sorry didnt mean to highlight
[22:38] <coreymon> nicolai_: why? isnt it not done yet?
[22:38] <_michael> atlfalcons866: Ok thank you
[22:38] <michael> it has an fcc id of pkw wpc54g-2 on it
[22:38] <chemisus> atlfalcons866, yea, just tried it again. any subfolder that i click on in konqueror, it opens it in a new window of dolphin, and if i close it and open the folder again, it opens it in dolphin
[22:39] <atlfalcons866> chemisus: try removing dolphin
[22:39] <chemisus> atlfalcons866, that was my next guess, but i wasnt sure if that would break file browsing or not
[22:39] <michael> I am running kubuntu 7.1 yes
[22:39] <wesley> guys what do you thing of kubuntu 7.10 and the many problems it seems to have
[22:39] <coreymon> nicolai_: isnt dolphin not finished yet?
[22:39] <moofoo> why kubuntu uses actually dolphin not d3lphin? i thought dolphin kde3 dev stopped and d3lphin is the kde3 fork under development?
[22:40] <nicolai_> coreymon: In my experience on Gutsy, dolphin is still unstable, but otherwise dolphin should be a fairly simple program I think, so stability wasn't hard to achieve.
[22:40] <atlfalcons866> chemisus: it shouldnt break it
[22:40] <chemisus> atlfalcons866, works fine now
[22:40] <chemisus> atlfalcons866, thanks =)
[22:40] <RytmenPinnen> mw46, http://pastebin.ca/742853 there's some of it
[22:40] <coreymon> wesley: it was just released, of course its gonna have a few problems
[22:40] <RytmenPinnen> from the main log
[22:40] <coreymon> wesley: give it some time
[22:40] <atlfalcons866> dolphins the default file manager in kde 4
[22:40] <coreymon> i know
[22:40] <coreymon> but by then it will be finished
[22:40] <coreymon> and stable
[22:40] <chemisus> dolphin just doesnt seem like it has many options
[22:41] <chemisus> i couldnt even find a way to sort by file type in dolphin =/
[22:41] <coreymon> chemisus: thats the point
[22:41] <coreymon> chemisus: its not as bloated
[22:41] <lontra> chemisus: just use konqueror
[22:41] <chemisus> lontra, i am
[22:41] <RytmenPinnen> mw46, first error is in line 81
[22:41] <lontra> coreymon: customizability doesn't equal bloat
[22:41] <lontra> chemisus: but i agree with you ... i prefer konqueror over dolphin too
[22:41] <chemisus> i used ubuntu for almost a year, and i switched to kubuntu just because of konqueror as a file browser
[22:41] <XenThraL> speaking of both
[22:42] <XenThraL> how do you set custom actions in dolphin?
[22:42] <XenThraL> it doesn't seem to read the ones I set for konqueror
[22:42] <lontra> chemisus: that's one of my main reason for kde is konqueror
[22:42] <coreymon> lontra: i know, but konq is slightly bloated, and dolphin is probably not finished development yet
[22:42] <atlfalcons866> you can use konqueor as a file manager in gnome
[22:42] <michael> what about my pcmcia card
[22:42] <RytmenPinnen> seems to be one at line 35 too
[22:42] <lontra> chemisus: er ... that's what i mean ... i mean that's one of my main reasons i use kde
[22:42] <coreymon> lontra: it will be better when kde4 comes
[22:42] <wesley> Dolphin i can work with it its nice but Konqueror is better but not in look
[22:42] <lontra> atlfalcons866: sure but it's not as integrated or as fast ...
[22:42] <root_> i have big problems on kubuntu :( is someone available for help pleaseee?
[22:43] <Angelus> i have big problems on kubuntu :( is someone available for help pleaseee?
[22:43] <coreymon> michael: i already asked, what card
[22:43] <atlfalcons866> i cant stand nautilus
[22:43] <chemisus> i cant stand dolphin
[22:43] <chemisus> atm anyways
[22:43] <lontra> coreymon: imo ... konqueror is far from bloated.  it has a lot of features, yes ... and it may not be the most user friendly but it has way less bloat than firefox, epiphany, and so on
[22:43] <coreymon> !ask | Angelus
[22:43] <ubotu> Angelus: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[22:43] <chemisus> why release a product like that when its not even close to being finished?
[22:43] <gorlak_> i like dolphin , its simple, and quick actually.
[22:43] <XenThraL> dolphin's not bad
[22:43] <ck42> trying to use the alternate CD to upgrade.  It's not coming up automagically and if I try to run the cdupgrade executable, it's bitching that permission is denied...even though I'm running it as root....what's going on here?
[22:43] <chemisus> ive not had any speed issues with konqueror
[22:44] <michael> coreymon: I answerred it is a wpcs54g-2
[22:44] <gorlak_> i would rather have the other programs open up items, not the file manager handling everything.
[22:44]  * lontra hopes kde 4 isn't so simple by trying to 'gnomize' it
[22:44] <chemisus> it doesnt feel bloated to me, in fact ive noticed more responsiveness with konqueror then nautilus
[22:44] <dromeo> Did anybody else have problems while Upgrading...I'm failing to fetch packages from Amarok and kOffice.  Is this a known error?
[22:44] <coreymon> lontra: konq does everything though, file browser, web browser, previewer for everything, text editor, picture viewer, etc
[22:44] <mw46> RytmenPinnen: what's the space situation on your box?
[22:44] <coreymon> michael: chipset
[22:44] <chemisus> i dont use konqueror as a web browser
[22:44] <atlfalcons866> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nonautilusplease
[22:44]  * moofoo uses krusader and mc for most file related tasks anyway :)
[22:44] <lontra> coreymon: exactly!  the beauty of konqi!
[22:44] <mw46> The first problem is in line 73:-(
[22:44] <coreymon> lontra: thats too much
[22:44] <lontra> i use konqueror for everything
[22:44] <lontra> nah
[22:44] <RytmenPinnen> about 18 gigs free
[22:44] <coreymon> lontra: file manager should be file manager
[22:44] <mw46> Before that there are some timeouts while downloading:-(
[22:44] <lontra> i will still use konqueror for everything in kde4
[22:44] <gorlak_> konq is like the IE for linux :)
[22:45] <gorlak_> it tries to do everything.
[22:45] <mw46> even in / ??
[22:45] <chemisus> ill admit, konqueror does a bit to much for me, such as all the previews, but as file browsing i prefer it
[22:45] <lontra> coreymon: i disagree ... why do i need 3 programs when one can do it all?
[22:45] <Angelus> i can't install kubuntu , it crashes, i solved that by installing a command line system first, then apt-get xorg, then installing nvidia drivers, installed kde, installed kdm, rebooted, worked fine. opened adept, tried to install kubuntu-desktop, crashed at 92%, i rebooted into safe mode , installed the rest with apt, i rebooted into normal mode, it crashes when it tried to start kdm, but if i start kdm in safe mode, it works, but at normal boot
[22:45] <coreymon> gorlak_: not really, dont compare it to ie
[22:45] <Angelus> my pc crashes.
[22:45] <RytmenPinnen> yes, I have only one partition
[22:45] <chemisus> most likely 3 different programs will do their tasks better then the one that does all 3
[22:45] <lontra> first thing i do in a kubuntu install is wipe away the customizations kubuntu has made to simplify the profile
[22:45] <TimS> A process called beagled-helper is using a huge ammount of my CPU, what is it?
[22:46] <TimS> Is it beagle? because I dont need that running really, is it safe to kill it?
[22:46] <dromeo>  Did anybody else have problems while Upgrading...I'm failing to fetch packages from Amarok and kOffice. and upgrading ends.
[22:46] <michael> michael: correction woc54g
[22:46] <coreymon> michael: what chipset?
[22:46] <RytmenPinnen> mw46, you think I can still cancel the update, and try again, or, Dl an iso and burn?
[22:46] <skyion> will someone take a look at my compiz, in pastebin compiz output & xorg.conf
[22:46] <gorlak_> i know it doesnt have the same amount of problems, but konq does seem like its trying to do everything, and every file
[22:46] <skyion> http://pastebin.com/m11ec80c8
[22:46] <michael> coreymon: wpc54g
[22:46] <coreymon> michael: chipset, not card
[22:46] <coreymon> michael: ralink, broadcom
[22:47] <mw46> RytmenPinnen: I don't think your upgrade will go much any more:-( At least not in that round:-(
[22:47] <michael> coreymon: i do not know
[22:47] <coreymon> michael: give me a sec
[22:47] <Angelus> somebody knows an answer for my problem pleasee? im desperate :(
[22:47] <mw46> You could try to run it again and see if that helps.
[22:47] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[22:47] <RytmenPinnen> k, but I suppose I'm screwed if I reboot since it allready has started installing
[22:47] <coreymon> !patience | Angelus
[22:47] <ubotu> Angelus: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:48] <mw46> all the *.deb's are still in /var.
[22:48] <chemisus> dromeo, check your /etc/apt/sources.list. i noticed that some of the lines in mine got commented out during the install
[22:48] <tekstacy> what's the easiest way to rip a camcorder dvd to a .avi?
[22:48] <lontra> you guys sound like you want to gnomify kde ... it's a shame
[22:48] <vlt> Hello. Where is the "Version upgrade button" mentioned on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading (in Adept)?
[22:48] <atlfalcons866> !ext4
[22:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:48] <atlfalcons866> !ext2
[22:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:48] <atlfalcons866> !ext3
[22:48] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[22:48] <wesley> by me in 7.10 kopete crashes but theres a patch for and kdetv crashes and compiz lets restart kubuntu
[22:48] <dromeo> chemisus:  hmm, ok, i'll give that a try, thanks
[22:48] <Angelus> coreymon:  sorry man, but really want kubuntu and im desperate
[22:48] <Angelus> * i really
[22:48] <huXfluX> how to enable desktop effects?
[22:48] <coreymon> Angelus: well then be patient, when someone can help you, they will
[22:49] <sub[t]rnl> huXfluX: through compiz-fusion?
[22:49] <Angelus> i will coreymon then
[22:49] <huXfluX> bash: compiz-fusion: command not found
[22:49] <atlfalcons866> can compiz run in kubuntu
[22:49] <sub[t]rnl> huXfluX: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde && sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:50] <weedar> I seem to be unable to upgrade to gutsy via adept, is this a common problem?
[22:50] <coreymon> michael: type lspmcia
[22:50] <wesley> i got the feeling the fast update to 3.5.8 was not good its since then it does work good
[22:50] <lontra> huXfluX: or ... sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager
[22:50] <sub[t]rnl> weedar: negative, whats the error?
[22:50] <coreymon> michael: put the output on pastebin
[22:50] <huXfluX> sub[t]rnl and? reboot or smth?
[22:50] <weedar> sub[t]rnl: There's no option to Enable the "Recommended updates" and "Pre release updates" repository
[22:51] <michael> coreymon: say command not found
[22:51] <sub[t]rnl> huXfluX: newp, ccsm will create a link in your start -> settings to configure your desktop
[22:51] <coreymon> michael: lspci
[22:51] <Firetech> After upgrading to gutsy, a lot my system seems to have gone back to ISO-8859-1(5) encoding, which screws up a lot of  the console action, what should I do to fix it? I can't write special characters (like åäö) in either konsole nor any TTY :S
[22:51] <lee986321> genii, I have to place the PS2 hdd back into the  PS2
[22:51] <sub[t]rnl> then alt + f2 and run compiz, or create a sym link in the ~/.kde/Autostart directory
[22:52] <huXfluX> cool, thanks
[22:52] <lee986321> and I wound up loading th wrong disk any ways
[22:52] <wesley> i i start adept its says now in 7.04 only read process is runnig but i not openend it but afyter the update to 3.5.8 its sais some packin did not install
[22:53]  * sub[t]rnl blinks
[22:53] <coreymon> michael: try typing lspci and put the output on pastebin
[22:53] <sub[t]rnl> someone decode that for me
[22:53] <lee986321> i ws trying to figure ot why the thing went into upgrade mode then it said
[22:53] <michael> coreymon: wha tis pastebin
[22:53] <nicolai_> wesley: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[22:53] <lars_> Boy am I dumb. Noob mucking with apt-build and filled my hard drive. HELP!
[22:53] <coreymon> !pastebin
[22:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:53] <nicolai_> wesley: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:53] <ck42> I'm having a problem with a lock that won't let the upgrade proceed....where are the lock files located?
[22:53] <lee986321> thats a lot of of downloading
[22:53] <nicolai_> wesley: That should do it
[22:53] <sub[t]rnl> see nicolai_
[22:53] <atlfalcons866> uh8ou
[22:54] <nicolai_> ck42: see my earlier posts
[22:54] <lars_> What can I delete when apt-build has filled my hard drive?
[22:54] <lee986321> any how genii i seen where I went wrong at
[22:54] <moofoo> on another machine i also have trouble to upgrade (asked yesterday without solution): ERROR pre-requists item 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted
[22:54] <lee986321> I saaaved the link
[22:54] <moofoo> any ideas how to fix this?
[22:54] <vlt> How can I initialise an upgrade to 7.10? I tried opening Adept but it doesn't offer it ...
[22:54] <coreymon> michael: go to that site, paste the output there, press submit, and then paste the url it gives you in the channel
[22:54] <wesley> what should i do upgrade to 7.10? or stay at 7.04 ? the only thing that better is that in 7.10 is kdenlive in adept thats all
[22:55] <sub[t]rnl> vlt: have you followed the steps on the ubuntu website?
[22:55] <Cugel> wesley: well you get a newer kernel.
[22:55] <Cugel> And new bugs.
[22:55] <wesley> yes and those bugs drive me crazy
[22:55] <coreymon> Cugel: which will prob be sorted out pretty soon
[22:55] <nadinetetine> i have a problem updating to 7.10 anyone can help me
[22:55] <vlt> sub[t]rnl: Yes, activating "Reccommended upd", close and reopen Adept ....
[22:56] <coreymon> Cugel: once the frenzy dies down a bit
[22:56] <nadinetetine> i tried the forum can't find
[22:56] <lee986321> I hope the server don't freez up on this install with the updates..should have unplugged the modem
[22:56] <chemisus> dromeo, did that solve it?
[22:56] <sub[t]rnl> vlt: run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from a cli
[22:56] <Cugel> Well it works fine for me. Except the fact that the monitor&display settings do not work.
[22:56] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: no need, he prob didnt update through adept yet
[22:56] <dromeo> we
[22:56] <vlt> sub[t]rnl: Is there a problem with Adept?
[22:56] <dromeo> chemisus; we'll see... it's doing it things
[22:57] <sub[t]rnl> if he said he followed the steps, then he might already be running the most current
[22:57] <coreymon> sub[t]rnl: have you updated the repos through adept yet
[22:57] <wesley> in 7.04 is the bug in kopete not
[22:57] <nadinetetine> why do i always have the error, canonical doesnt provide support for...
[22:57] <coreymon> nadinetetine: its not an error
[22:57] <sub[t]rnl> coreymon: yup
[22:57] <nadinetetine> im noob dude help me
[22:58] <nadinetetine> i tried the repositorie thing
[22:58] <coreymon> vlt: i meant you
[22:58] <charims_> i need some help setting up internet connection sharing in kubuntu
[22:58] <vlt> coreymon: ?
[22:58] <coreymon> vlt: have you updated the repos through adept yet
[22:58] <charims_> ive tried a few different approaches, but with no luck
[22:58] <wesley> 7.10 is not that a big change i think only the art and dolphin and debi
[22:58] <nadinetetine> coreymon: what do i have to do then
[22:58] <coreymon> nadinetetine: its not an error, its just a notice, telling you that you no longer can get support from cannonical for the packages
[22:58] <coreymon> nadinetetine: that usually means that they are outdated
[22:59] <coreymon> nadinetetine: its not an error
[22:59] <coreymon> nadinetetine: just continue with the upgrade
[22:59] <vlt> coreymon: Yes, I think I did.
[22:59] <coreymon> vlt: try it again
[22:59] <wesley> i think i feel little disappointment in the 7.10 version i expecte a good version
[23:00] <nadinetetine> coreymon: cause i tried yesterday and it kept telling that no update were installed or something, but it looks like it works now...
[23:00] <lee986321> well atleast he wasn't in kubuntu and did what i did lol
[23:00] <ck42> I'm having a problem with a lock that won't let the upgrade proceed (using alternate CD)....where are the lock files located?
[23:00]  * Angelus is dying
[23:00] <lee986321> why?
[23:00] <purpleposeidon> my grub died
[23:01] <wesley> but what do you guys say stay at 7.04 or upgrading? i think its sad that theres no beryl in 7.10
[23:01] <sub[t]rnl> beryl is a dated relic
[23:01] <vlt> coreymon: I open Adept ... check that "reccommended updates" is selected ... press "fetch Updates" ... nothing
[23:01] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[23:01] <lee986321> oh try oem mode
[23:01] <Silentjohn> whens hardy being released
[23:01] <sub[t]rnl> compiz-fusion is the merge of bery and compiz, wesley
[23:01] <lee986321> ck42 try the oem mode
[23:01] <fairman> Please, i have problem with Compiz. I installed it according to wiki manual, but when i write in Konsole compiz --replace it will return this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41233/. What is the problem?
[23:02] <lee986321> then have it set up then tell it to prepare pc for shipping
[23:02] <Silentjohn> !release
[23:02] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[23:02] <wesley> sub[t]rnl: i know but beryl was easy to use
[23:02] <noam_> er. when is the fix for kopete going to be included in the repositories?
[23:02] <sub[t]rnl> compiz is too!
[23:02] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[23:03] <coreymon> vlt: try pressing full upgrade
[23:03] <lee986321> why does this thing scan the miror?
[23:03] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: when the repo's unthaw
[23:03] <lido76-11> hooi!
[23:03] <noam_> sub[t]rnl, what do you mean?
[23:03] <lido76-11> eej mensen !!
[23:04] <lido76-11> iemand zin om te kletsen
[23:04] <wesley> you can download the deb already https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500 thats patch the problem with kopete in 7.10
[23:04] <wesley> Lido ik ben nederlands
[23:04] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: the kdelibs bug that crashes kopete and msn will be added to the repo's when they un freeze them
[23:04] <lido76-11> heej gezellig! alles goe?
[23:04] <noam_> and then what happens when the repositories update? will they override this patch?
[23:05] <wesley> ja maar dit is een engels kanaal hoor kom prive ofzo?
[23:05] <vlt> coreymon: "full upgrade" is disabled
[23:05] <noam_> sub[t]rnl, i see, when will that be (approximately)?
[23:05] <lido76-11> is goe!
[23:05] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: in.. 32 seconds
[23:05] <noam_> :/ thanks anyway
[23:05] <dromeo> chemisus: looks like it's working now.  i just commented out amarok and koffice.  thanks for your help
[23:05] <noam_> there are no downsides for installing the fix, right?
[23:05] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: you should be able to update your kdelibs4.. now
[23:05] <flake> i have a hp amd64x2 5000+ media center XP, trying to boot with 7.10 64-bit, going to black screen
[23:06] <lee986321> eh    is xp media center 32 or 64?
[23:06] <wesley> will they put a new iso on there servers thats no good that bug from kopete its scares new users
[23:06] <chemisus> dromeo, np
[23:06] <[Relic]> only 17000 more files to copy  :)   dpkg -l >> listofinstalled     correct for dumping everything to one text file?
[23:06] <lee986321> has 32 bit media center
[23:07] <nadinetetine> coreymon: now it looks like it's stuck at installing the upgrades o% for abou 2mins
[23:07] <lido76-11> heej wesley het lukt nog niet om prive met je te praten, enig idee waarom?
[23:07] <wesley> ja omdat het niet kan vanwege spam problemen
[23:07] <flake> xp media center is 32-bit on harddrive
[23:07] <oscar-aj> hey
[23:07] <flake> amd64 means 64-bit pc, right?
[23:07] <lido76-11> not funny
[23:07] <LjL> !nl | wesley
[23:07] <lee986321> ooo ouchy
[23:07] <purpleposeidon> I get Error 15 when loading grub
[23:07] <oscar-aj> i need the kubuntu irc channe in spanish
[23:07] <coreymon> nadinetetine: give it time
[23:07] <flake> umm errrrr right?  that's what i bought it for
[23:07] <sub[t]rnl> !es | oscar-aj
[23:08] <lee986321> guys could that pose an issue
[23:08] <wesley> yes i am nl ljl
[23:08] <ubotu> wesley: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[23:08] <ubotu> oscar-aj: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[23:08] <vlt> Any idea how to enable "full upgrade" button in Adept?
[23:08] <nadinetetine> coreymon: k thanks
[23:08] <coreymon> vlt: its not enabled?
[23:08] <oscar-aj> thank!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:08] <lido76-11> any idea how to chat personaly with people?
[23:08] <vlt> coreymon: It's gray and not clickable.
[23:08] <wesley> yes upgrade and then fetch updates
[23:08] <coreymon> vlt: okay then
[23:08] <LjL> lido76-11: /msg nickname message
[23:08] <coreymon> i really dont know
[23:08] <nadinetetine> lidoLdouble click on the nick
[23:08] <purpleposeidon> lido76-11: You can only /msg if you're identified
[23:09] <wesley> no you cant in this channel nee to register
[23:09] <flake> lido76-11 - i just grunt and make funny noises
[23:09] <Angelus> coreymon i don't think anyone read my prob
[23:09] <coreymon> Angelus: ask again
[23:09] <atlfalcons866> #debian
[23:09] <B-Minus> hello
[23:09] <noam_> well, the fix worked :o
[23:10] <B-Minus> is the version upgrade bug already solved ?
[23:10] <RytmenPinnen> well this is truly interesting, I think I'm updating to gutsy like a normal update with adept
[23:10] <flake> amd64 / winxp32 bit media center pc is running on 64-bit hardware, right?
[23:10] <vlt> Hello all. How can I enable "full upgrade" button in Adept?
[23:10] <coreymon> vlt: if its not enabled, that means there is nothing to update
[23:10] <wesley> when will be kde4 default?
[23:11] <noam_> probably after it's not in beta stage anymore
[23:11] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[23:11]  * xevious is getting really frustrated with compiz not remembering where his windows were
[23:11] <sub[t]rnl> maybe it does and your forgetting!
[23:11] <fairman> vlt: you have to do "update" and wait, if there will be opinion do this
[23:11] <RytmenPinnen> does anyone know if what I'm doing is possible
[23:11] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: har har
[23:11] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[23:12] <fairman> vlt: fetch upgrades
[23:12] <RytmenPinnen> [01:10] <RytmenPinnen> well this is truly interesting, I think I'm updating to gutsy like a normal update with adept
[23:12] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: i have it set to remember window positions
[23:12] <sub[t]rnl> RytmenPinnen: yes, its the recommended way to upgrade
[23:12] <wesley> i dont get compiz fusion beryl was so easying and now they removed ir from the packing does any one know how to install beryl
[23:12] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: with the smart positioning?
[23:12] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: yeah
[23:12] <RytmenPinnen> my update crashed after 3% installed and now I'm updating with adept as regular system update
[23:12] <vlt> fairman: I already did this.
[23:12] <RytmenPinnen> sub[t]rnl,
[23:12] <h3sp4wn> using adept to upgrade between distro's I would call suicide
[23:13] <fairman> vlt: and do you have Gutsy, od Feisty?
[23:13] <RytmenPinnen> well see what happens :D
[23:13] <vlt> fairman: still Feisty
[23:13] <noam_> h3sp4wn, heh, it really can be very buggy
[23:13] <vlt> h3sp4wn: What would you prefer?
[23:13] <noam_> and dist-upgrade.py took 800mb in *physical* RAM (1400mb in virtual memory) while in the cleaning up stage
[23:14] <xevious> h3sp4wn: worked fine for me
[23:14] <RytmenPinnen> I'm gonna burn a gutsy iso.............. hmm, now something is happening
[23:14] <wesley> i think i stick at feisty i can install kdenlive by just adding the packings
[23:14] <purpleposeidon> How do I regenerate grub menus?
[23:14] <h3sp4wn> !works for me
[23:14] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[23:14] <fairman> vlt: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php - check this, paragraph about Upgrading from feisty
[23:14] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: you sure it wasn't just buffering the ram?
[23:14] <sub[t]rnl> free -m can be deceiving
[23:15] <noam_> my computer actually got slower. i have 1GB RAM. i closed firefox and amarok etc and followed it cautiously in ksysguard
[23:15] <purpleposeidon> !grub
[23:15] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[23:15] <sub[t]rnl> ksysguard, :P
[23:15] <sub[t]rnl> use htop
[23:15] <noam_> because half an hour earlier someone asked in the channel what to do because dist-upgrade died in the cleaning stage (X Didn't have enough RAM) and he had been left with an unfinished installation
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> Did anyone bother to build a gutsy kernel with cfs yet ?
[23:16] <lontra> wesley: kde4 will probably be default in 8.10
[23:16] <h3sp4wn> (or -ck patches)
[23:16] <lontra> wesley: that would be my guess
[23:16] <JohnFlux> lontra: unlikely
[23:16] <lontra> at the earliest
[23:16] <sub[t]rnl> noam_: interesting
[23:16] <JohnFlux> lontra: 8.10 is a long term release
[23:16] <JohnFlux> lontra: it will have to be the version after
[23:16] <lontra> JohnFlux: no it's not ... 8.04 is
[23:16] <mannuel> how i go to tty? ctrl+alt+F1 didn't work
[23:16] <JohnFlux> lontra: opps, yeah
[23:16] <coreymon> w/e
[23:16] <noam_> kde4 will probably be a bunch of bugs connected by features for at least half a year after it's out of beta stage
[23:17] <coreymon> kde4 will be available for gutsy as a seperate package
[23:17] <coreymon> noam_: pescimist alert!
[23:17] <lontra> it's always curious why so many people ask about kde4 ... i wonder what's wrong with kde 3?  it's pretty kick arse imo
[23:17] <noam_> oi, i'm just being reasonable. should i remind you that kopete got broken in 3.5.8?
[23:17] <sub[t]rnl> some people like the bleeding edge.  And its when those same people complain about bugs that kinda irks me..
[23:17] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[23:18] <frank_> I'm upgrading to gutsy right now using adept. Hope it goes well. downloading at over 600 kB/s :)
[23:18] <wesley> No kopete got not broken in 7.04 when upgrading to 3.58
[23:18] <lontra> sub[t]rnl: i agree ... if they want to run kde4 and have nothing work ... have fun ;)
[23:18] <noam_> wesley, try logging in to MSN messenger
[23:18] <tekstacy> what's the easiest way to copy a camcorder dvd to an avi?
[23:19] <vlt> coreymon, fairman: 'and "Pre release updates" repository'!
[23:19] <vlt> That's missing on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[23:19] <coreymon> vlt: ???
[23:20] <wesley> if loged in at msn
[23:20] <oritemis> hi, I am installing kubuntu and I am stacked into 82% "reading the mirror", someone knows what to do?
[23:20] <coreymon> vlt: why ubuntu, why arent your doing this from the kubuntu website
[23:20] <sub[t]rnl> tekstacy: k9copy, or k3b rip it, then use ffmpeg to convert it
[23:20] <sub[t]rnl> or tovid
[23:20] <tekstacy> sub[t]rnl, thanks
[23:21] <sub[t]rnl> oritemis: servers are hammered
[23:21] <wesley> i hope 8.04 will be better and with kde4 or at least let the user choose
[23:21] <catemu> Yup
[23:21] <catemu> Servers are hammered
[23:21] <sub[t]rnl> the drunks!
[23:21] <weedar> I think the reason my adept won't do a dist-upgrade is because I don't have the necessary repos
[23:21] <B-Minus> hll
[23:21] <frank_> wesley: it's true that with so many new things planned for kde4 it might take a while to stabilise. and 8.04 is a LTS release for ubuntu
[23:21] <coreymon> thats why im not using the main repos
[23:21] <weedar> Can anyone give me the "name" for "Recommended updates" and "Pre release updates"
[23:21] <coreymon> im using an alternate mirror
[23:22] <coreymon> much faster
[23:22] <coreymon> weedar: just add them through adept
[23:22] <catemu> I used alternate mirrors too
[23:22] <nmjohnso> whats the command to check for direct rendering]
[23:22] <frank_> weedar: feisty-updates and feisty-proposed
[23:22] <imagine> nmjohnso: glxinfo | grep direct ?
[23:23] <oritemis> sub[t]rnl: there isn't a retry button or something like that. What can I do?
[23:23] <wesley> Yes frank_ but i think kde4 will be stable in the time 8.04 release i mean we got 7.10 the big different is the art wich you can download for 7.04
[23:23] <sub[t]rnl> oritemis: wait :/
[23:24] <coreymon> oritemis: retry button
[23:24] <coreymon> ?
 hi, I am installing kubuntu and I am stacked into 82% "reading the mirror",
[23:24] <sub[t]rnl>            someone knows what to do?
[23:24] <frank_> wesley: let's just say that the kde people are pretty abitious for kde4
[23:25] <sven_> Hi there, I just installed kubuntu 7.10 and Im having 2 problems.. 1) I want to install the restricted driver for my wifi, a 43xx driver, but when I do this in the restricted manager, a new window opens saying "specify firmware location" but that window is like frozen, I cant select anything, I can not even close that window.. When I press "Cancel" in the restricted drivers screen, I get a crash.. How can I install this restricted driver?
[23:25] <purpleposeidon> How do I fix grub Error 15?
[23:25] <oritemis> sub[t]rnl: Or even more, what should I do, if the setup routine don't find the mirror?
[23:26] <sub[t]rnl> oritemis: there are other options for upgrading.  You can backup your files and install from the liveCD .iso, or use an alternate cd to upgrade
[23:26] <flake> does it take a long time to boot 7.10_amd64?
[23:27] <terrestre> any one using 7.1? ctrl+alt+F1 didn't work for me
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> terrestre: black screen?
[23:27] <noam_> works here.
[23:27] <wesley> yes i know it looks already nice kde4 but i dont wanna run it along side kde3
[23:27] <oritemis> sub[t]rnl: I am doing a installation from strach with live cd.
[23:27] <weedar> thanks frank
[23:27] <sub[t]rnl> terrestre: theres an issue with passing vga= in grubs menu.1st with the current gutsy kernel
[23:28] <sub[t]rnl> if its in there, take it out till the kernel team gets a fix
[23:28] <coreymon> wesley: even i wouldnt trust kde4 until its stable released
[23:28] <terrestre> oooh thanks sub[t]rnl
[23:29] <coreymon> wesley: i tend not to trust core linux related betas such as distro betas or DE betas
[23:29] <coreymon> wesley: too much room for problems
[23:29] <sven_> Im using a Dell Latitude D620 laptop with a broadcom BCM94311MCG internal wifi network card.. kubuntu gives me the restricted driver 43xx for this card but I cant install it becausre the install window hangs.. How can I fix this??
[23:29] <wesley> the beta from kubuntu was better then the stable release
[23:30] <Angelus> i have a problem, i removed the user i created when i installed kubuntu, and added a new user, but nother is working on it, i mean , Adept , apt, things like that. any help?
[23:30] <sub[t]rnl> sven_: its pulling the driver from servers that are really bogged down
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> sven_: find an alternate site with the driver, or compile it from source
[23:31] <fairman> Does anybody now how to run Compiz Fusion on Kubuntu GG?
[23:31] <coreymon> sven_: everyone is upgrading to gutsy, so the repos are a little overloaded from everyon using them right now
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:31] <wesley> i know how to install but running it does not just did restart at me
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> Angelus: sudo apt*
[23:32] <frank_> sub[t]rnl: fairman when I tried compiz in kubuntu I had a problem with the window decorator crashing often
[23:32] <wesley> but i realy dont think gutsy makes that much a change
[23:32] <Angelus> sub[t]rnl:  ?
[23:32] <DerDritte> If I installed ubuntu, then aptituded kubuntu-desktop and run on KDE is it, in fact, kubuntu?
[23:32] <Angelus> sudo apt-get install blablabla does nothing, it just starts a new line
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> frank_: I've had it flake out too
[23:33] <coreymon77> DerDritte: yes
[23:33] <fairman> sub[t]rnl: yes, i have it, but when i want run (compiz --replace) it does not start - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41233/ this output
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> frank_: but doing a killall compiz.real and alt +f2 compiz gets it back up
[23:33] <h3sp4wn> DerDritte: Its with both lots of packages installed though
[23:33] <xevious> does kubuntu-desktop install kubuntu-default-settings
[23:33] <xevious> ?
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: try running compiz
[23:33] <coreymon77> i would expect so
[23:33] <DerDritte> h3sp4wn: that's okay, enough space...
[23:33] <frank_> sub[t]rnl: hope it gets better eventually
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: hrm, if your --purge it will remove config files for defaults
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: if thats what your after
[23:33] <h3sp4wn> DerDritte: apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (and then move the rest from section gnome with aptitude
[23:34] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: i was just checking on DerDritte's behalf
[23:34] <sub[t]rnl> ahh
[23:34] <Angelus> i have a problem, i removed the user i created when i installed kubuntu, and added a new user, but nother is working on it, i mean , Adept , apt, things like that. any help?
[23:34] <xevious> sub[t]rnl: because i'd assume that kubuntu-default-settings would also be necessary to turn ubuntu into kubuntu
[23:34] <sub[t]rnl> Angelus: use "sudo" before the commands
[23:34] <frank_> DerDritte: xevious, kubuntu-desktop doesn't install all the applications that come with a kubuntu install AFAIK
[23:34] <Angelus> sub[t]rnl: read my problem
[23:34] <fairman>  sub[t]rnl: the same output with "compiz" instead of "compiz --replace"
[23:34] <coreymon77> xevious: youre not turning anything into anything, youre just adding kde
[23:34] <Angelus> nothing works, even sudo
[23:34] <DerDritte> frank_: That's not what I really need...
[23:35] <xevious> coreymon77: refer to DerDritte's post up above. i'm aware of that
[23:35] <Solifugus> is kubuntu 7.10 available yet?
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> fiarman: ok sec, let me check your paste
[23:35] <DerDritte> h3sp4wn: what for?
[23:35] <coreymon77> Solifugus: yes, it was yesterday
[23:35] <xevious> Solifugus: yeah
[23:35] <coreymon77> DerDritte:
[23:35] <uEddy> salve
[23:35] <xevious> i'm out.
[23:35] <xevious> later folks
[23:35] <huXfluX> i have no symlink in .kde/Autostart, why does compiz start automatically? :D
[23:35] <coreymon77> DerDritte: is all you want to do is add kde?
[23:35] <h3sp4wn> DerDritte: If you wish to remove the gnome stuff if you don't want it - not 100% sure what handles certain things if there is a crossover
[23:36] <coreymon77> DerDritte: and keep gnome
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: what video card you using bro?
[23:36] <DerDritte> h3sp4wn: kk
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> I'm guessing its blacklisted
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> theres a way around it though.. sec
[23:36] <DerDritte> coreymon77: Think is: I wanted to test KDE.
[23:36] <wastedfluid> Anyone know anything about a fix for volume keys on laptops.. going from 0% to 11%?
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: what card you using?
[23:36] <lontra> wastedfluid: that's a bug ... and iirc didn't you ask about that yesterday?
[23:36] <DerDritte> coreymon77: When I already had installed and configed ubuntu (gnome).
[23:36] <coreymon77> DerDritte: if you want to keep both kde and gnome on your computer, just add kubuntu-desktop
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes >>
[23:37] <DerDritte> coreymon77: I did that...
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: that will do it
[23:37] <wastedfluid> lontra: yeah, I did, but I want a link to something I can possibly watch (like a bug track # or something) to look fora fix.
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: then you are fine
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: you have kubuntu
[23:37] <lontra> wastedfluid: it's upstream as it affects my laptop in debian ... so search kde bug reports
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: and ubuntu
[23:37] <DerDritte> coreymon77: Now it seems as the adept is confused about being 7.04 or 7.10
[23:37] <huXfluX> i have no symlink in .kde/Autostart, why does compiz start automatically? :D
[23:37] <wastedfluid> Okay.
[23:37] <fairman> sub[t]rnl: hmm, how can i exactly find out? I have some intel card integrated on motherboard
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: is ubuntu 7.10 yet?
[23:37] <DerDritte> coreymon77: jepp.
[23:37] <sub[t]rnl> huXfluX: start-system-advanced-sessions, kde might be restoring your previous session
[23:37] <coreymon77> DerDritte: did you upgrade ubuntu yet/
[23:38] <coreymon77> ?
[23:38] <DerDritte> coreymon77: I'm afraid so :P
[23:38] <Solifugus> so what's on the "alternate" cd image?
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: lspci
[23:38] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: look at the top
[23:38] <coreymon77> DerDritte: no problem
[23:38] <coreymon77> DerDritte: that should be good
[23:38] <huXfluX> where?:D
[23:38] <coreymon77> DerDritte: i would expect that kubuntu-desktop now would be 7.10
[23:38] <DerDritte> coreymon77: where can I check?
[23:38] <frank_> huXfluX: I'm not sure where that setting stays but you can run kwin --replace  to get as before
[23:39] <DerDritte> coreymon77: clicked around a bit but didn't show anywhere...
[23:39] <sven_> coreymon77, sub[t]rnl , so thats why the "specify firmware location" is hanging? because, I have not even specified the location (on disk or remote server) or the "Ok" button yet..
[23:39] <fairman> sub[t]rnl: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> blacklisted fairman
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: do this
[23:40] <DerDritte> coreymon77: aptitude says it's Version 1.59, that can't be it... :|
[23:40] <Lars_G> The Distribution upgrade has (I'm very certain) hung
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: echo SKIP_CHECKS=yes >> ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager
[23:40] <Lars_G> it's on the installing upgrades step.
[23:40] <sub[t]rnl> and try it
[23:40] <wesley> how long is 7.04 supported?
[23:41] <Lars_G> trouble is, it's been "configuring smbfs" for about 10 minutes now. I'm gessing it should be expecting for my input, but the terminal area is just a gray square, no text element.
[23:41] <my_> apt-fix
[23:41] <Lars_G> Any tips?
[23:41] <my_> apt-fix
[23:41] <my_> !apt-fix
[23:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:41] <Lars_G> my_: next time point the vector, but thanks a lot.
[23:41] <frank_> wesley: 1.5 years
[23:41] <my_> !apt
[23:41] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[23:41] <Lars_G> you suggest I stop the upgrader first?
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> !apt fix
[23:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:41] <my_> !fix-apt
[23:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix-apt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:42] <Lars_G> my_: maybe you mean apt-get -f install?
[23:42] <h3sp4wn> !adept crash-fix
[23:42] <sub[t]rnl> !adept fix
[23:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept crash-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:42] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:42] <sven_> I have another (rather anoying) problem in combination with Compiz: Clicking on anywhere in a window but the titke bar will not raise the window.. There is a configuracion for that in ccms, in the general area, I checked it, but like 2 seconds later it automatically gets unchecked! Thats like microsoft windows behaviour! :) how can  I check that thing and have windows raise properly??
[23:42] <my_> thanx
[23:42] <Lars_G> thanks sub[t]rnl
[23:43] <wesley> but you can still install programs after those 1.5 years?
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> xevious: hey didn't you have sven_'s problem
[23:43] <Lars_G> What's the next phases? cleaning up? an "apt-get clean" ?
[23:43] <DerDritte> Any got the link to a how-to: compiz on kubuntu?
[23:43] <y3k> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop doesn't give me gnome stuff?
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz-fusion
[23:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[23:44] <fairman> sub[t]rnl: wau, it works :)
[23:44] <dvayanu> hi
[23:44] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: :)
[23:44] <sven_> sub[t]rnl, any idea what his fix was for this?
[23:44] <sven_> its... anoying..
[23:45] <dvayanu> i just upgraded to gutsy and all my msttcorefonts stoped working
[23:45] <sub[t]rnl> sven_: yeah, i know it was something simple
[23:45] <sven_> sub[t]rnl, it usually is...
[23:45] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[23:45] <sven_> once you know it.. :)
[23:45] <sub[t]rnl> your just wanting it to keep click on focus right?
[23:46] <dvayanu> the updater said something about installing x-ttcidfont-conf, which is installed, but makes no difference
[23:46] <bottiger> After I upgraded to gutsy KDE has been running horrible. it's really really slow, and my dual-screen setup doesn't work as nice as it did before. "nvidia-settings" claims that the drivers isn't being used, but the restricted-manager says they are, and compiz runs really nice in gnome
[23:46] <sub[t]rnl> do -all- the plugins in compiz revert back if you check them in ccsm?
[23:46] <sven_> sub[t]rnl, raise window on click actually
[23:46] <bottiger> Can someone help me get my system running again :)
[23:46] <terrestre> it's compiz working on 7,1?
[23:46] <fairman> sub[t]rnl: it is not perfect, but it seems good, thanks very much
[23:46] <sub[t]rnl> bottiger: modprobe nvidia
[23:46] <DerDritte> sub[t]rnl: thx. Tried compiz.real first, didn't work out :P
[23:46] <sub[t]rnl> fairman: no problem
[23:47] <sub[t]rnl> bbiab guys
[23:48] <dvayanu> ah, yes, and kdesu fails with command not found, regardless what i call
[23:48] <DerDritte> compiz went nuts.
[23:48] <dvayanu> but works if called from shell
[23:50] <sven_> xevious, Did you have a problem with compiz that windows did not raise correctly? if so, how'd you fixit?
[23:50] <sven_> using kubuntu 710 with compiz, how can I again get the ctrl-alt-esc to work as "Kill application" ?
[23:52] <fairman>  /j #ubuntu-cs
[23:52] <Lars_G> Are the 7.04 compiz instructions ubotu gave applicable to 7.10 too?
[23:53] <Dr_willis> sven_,  you have to do 2 things.. enable the 'flatfile' settings in the compiz settings tool. then you can check/change the focus/autoraise settings in the general tab
[23:54] <Dr_willis> sven_,  "ccsm -> perferances -> backend -> flatfile" then General Tab -> focus and raise Behaivor.
[23:54] <frank_> I've got 2 instances of dist-upgrade.py each using 30% of my 1GB of RAM. I hope it will be ok
[23:55] <jonasp> hey, my apach2 stoped working after upgrading to 7.10
[23:55] <jonasp> stoped working means it does not start at all but without a single error
[23:55] <sven_> Dr_willis, hurray! that did it!
[23:55] <sven_> thanks lots!@
[23:56] <Dr_willis> sven_,  thats going to be a FAQ.. :) i just know it,.
[23:56] <Dr_willis> was my directions clear? going to make a factoid for it  :)
[23:57] <Fade2Blac> how do i install the restricted drivers from a term
[23:57] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras kubuntu-restricted-extras  xubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:57] <Dr_willis> Pick what one you want. :)
[23:57] <sven_> Dr_willis, it was very clear
[23:57] <h3sp4wn> Fade2Blac: Which restricted driver exactly
[23:57] <sven_> Dr_willis, but.. isnt this somehting that should be fixed?
[23:57] <Fade2Blac> the boradcom wireless card
[23:57] <Dr_willis> sven_,  well technicially comiz is NOT supported under kubuntu. thats why its not included by default.
[23:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:58] <Fade2Blac> bcm43xx
[23:58] <frank_> I just lost the upgrader. there is a lock file still in place. what do i do to continue the upgrade?
[23:58] <Dr_willis> and i think the issue is how kde and the compiz settings are gettingsaved/set - thats what the flatfile thing fixed.
[23:58] <sven_> Dr_willis, I mean, it may not be a bug directly but... if you dont have specific knowledge about this, forget about ever finding it.. you wont find it in a faq either because you would not think of looking this up in a faq... at least, that would go for me..
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> Fade2Blac: I doubt that can use the restricted manager as the firmware is taken from the wl.o blob for wireless routers
[23:58] <wesley> systemsettings crashes in kubuntu 7.10 i got upgraded to kde 3.5.8
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> Fade2Blac: And completely illegal to distribute
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> Fade2Blac: use fwcutter
[23:58] <Dr_willis> sven_,  compiz has a lot of 'layers of issues' that all need to get worked out.
[23:58] <h3sp4wn> !info fwcutter gutsy
[23:58] <ubotu> Package fwcutter does not exist in gutsy
[23:59] <frank_> !fix apt
[23:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix apt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:59] <Dr_willis> if flatfile is not enaled.. you cant check those checkbox's. You cant have sepetate compiz settings for gnome and kde at this time (that i know of) and so on.
[23:59] <frank_> !fix adept
[23:59] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[23:59] <Fade2Blac> ok i just installed kubuntu and i cant even load it beauce i get that error message
[23:59] <sven_> Dr_willis, technically may be but.. compiz, at the moment, is like the holy bible to convert ppl to use linux.. in the past 6 months, I alone got almost 15 ppl to use (k)ubuntu because of it..
[23:59] <Dr_willis> compiz is still very very much a work in progress.
[23:59] <kotelo> who is going to fix the snapshot number six?
[23:59] <kotelo> :S
[23:59] <h3sp4wn> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter
[23:59] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-3 (gutsy), package size 25 kB, installed size 116 kB
[23:59] <h3sp4wn> !info bcm43xx-b53
[23:59] <ubotu> Package bcm43xx-b53 does not exist in gutsy
[23:59] <Dr_willis> i wonder if the java app/compiz issues have been fixed