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lassegulhi folks.08:21
troy_slassegul: Any work of late?09:15
lassegultroy_s: yeah im trying to make some pictures of aurora polaris, I saw it while visiting family and i was amazed by the beauty of it.09:31
lassegultroy_s: and how the colours light up the ground as well. its truly amazing.09:32
lassegultroy_s: but i havent gotten anything ready to show yet, but i hope I can get there over the weekend. how about you?09:33
abcde__Where can I find a CD Label for Gutsy?14:57
nothlit`alphaabcde_: http://sinecera.de/GUTSY_ARTWORK.tar.bz215:20
abcde_nothlit`alpha, thanks, I found some artwork I think looks better, and I found the xcf file, but I have to figure out how to change the text box on it that says feisty. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=422357&highlight=xcf15:23
lassegulnothlit`alpha: hi. im sorry i havent been online the last couple of days, we have changed the CMTS in our area so ive been offline for the last 3 days.15:25
nothlit`alphalassegul: CMTS? thats fine, theres no gigantic rush15:25
nothlit`alphai fixed up the getinvolved page15:26
lassegulcmts is a kind of hub for ISPs that use hybrid coax/fiber lines. GetInvolved is clean and nice.15:28
SlimG3Is there any (plans for) logos representing the ubuntu release codename? like a drake for dapper drake, this would be doable since all the codenames represents animals in different "moods"16:45
lapohi17:08
jarrod__hi17:15
jarrod__i think u guys should stop using brown for your backgrounds as it looks very bad17:16
SlimG3*and they suddenly decided to go for another color*17:18
SlimG3:)17:18
jarrod__i think they should use blue or something17:25
troy_sjarrod__: And what is your 'knowledge' based one?17:26
troy_son even17:26
SlimG3but I (and the people I've come across) agree with jarrod__ , I don't understand what made someone, somewhere, think that the color on his dodo actually looks nice, and even convinced mark to use it17:26
troy_sSlimG3: The actual colour has NOTHING to do with it.17:27
troy_sSlimG3: Brown can be very effective tonal base, the execution of the designs is far from useful.17:27
SlimG3but there still seems to me like there's a shared opinion amongst ubuntoids that the color _looks_ bad (Ps. I dunno what "tonal base" is)17:30
troy_sSlimG3: You would be making complete random speculation based on uneducated guessing.17:30
troy_sSlimG3: There are many that think that brown can work, and many that hate it.17:31
jarrod__i dont know what tonal base is either17:31
troy_sIn the end, people who would suggest a blue are at least as out to lunch as suggesting a monochrome brown.17:32
SlimG3troy_s: That might be true and it might be false, I for myself haven't encountered anyone in my social network that has a positive or neutral attitude towards the default color of Ubuntu, but then again, I'm not hanging out woth the entire Ubuntu society (and I guess neither are you :))17:33
SlimG3Would be interesting to see the result of a major vote on the subject17:34
jarrod__ya17:34
troy_sSlimG3: It is garbage execution.  Nothing more or nothing less.17:34
troy_sSlimG3: Any poorly executed attempt can make just about anything look like dribble.17:34
troy_sSlimG3: And that would be exactly my point -- without a focus group and a proper poll, everyone is just talking from completely guessed vantages.17:35
troy_sSlimG3: In the end, I would be one of the people who would firmly agree that Brown with a rounded out palette could be at least as successful as say "Starbucks" design presentation or a high end interior design.17:36
troy_sSlimG3: It is a far far cry from that, however.17:36
SlimG3troy_s:  you mean the color is ok but the design ruins the total impression?17:36
troy_sSlimG3: The colour alone is _not_ "ok", but alas, this has been rehashed a thousand times.17:37
SlimG3mkay, I see your point17:38
troy_sSlimG3: Poor execution will inevitably lead to complaints about colour.17:39
troy_sSlimG3: We can change colours a thousand times and if it is poorly executed, it will still be rather useless and underwhelming.17:39
troy_sAgain though, suggesting that 'brown' is the 'problem' is at least as ineffective and completely inaccurate as the implementation of it in Ubuntu.17:40
SlimG3troy_s: Thanks for taking the time to explain. What you're saying makes sense to me so I'm ditching my color-complaint17:44
jarrod__but i guess brown has always been the color so i guess changing it would be like a whole new os17:44
troy_sjarrod__: Indeed.  Worse -- at the very least the poorly underwhelming brown is distinct compared to the landscape of curley curvey blue garbage.17:45
jarrod__ya17:45
troy_s(Not that I am a fan of a 1995 trend to put curvey curley swoopy in)17:45
troy_sJust take a look at the equally bland and banal Fedora and Novell work.17:45
troy_sIt is _extremely_ unfortunate that Diana Fong left the Red Hat team -- her work was at least moving in a far superior pattern to where the rubbish was going.17:46
jarrod__im gonna go now17:48
nothlittroy_s: can you throw me a popular example of a work or image using brown? i want to see if i can get in a factoid18:11
troy_snothlit: Look at Starbucks 'burr' grinder from a few years ago -- it was a wonderful presentation.  It was stretched across all of their espresso machines too -- with different base tones for each.18:13
troy_snothlit: I had a list somewhere... let me go look in a few...18:14
nothlit`alphaanything other than starbucks?18:14
troy_snothlit: Yes.18:17
troy_snothlit: (of course)18:17
troy_snothlit: You could do a very quick reference to the victorian grunge trend in a good percentage of 18-20 somethings wardrobe18:18
nothlit`alphalol, just asking if you have an example i can include18:18
troy_syeah ... but i need to find actual links to products18:18
troy_sthe brown in the victorian is almost always the palette blue that goes with it...18:18
nothlit`alphanp, if you can that would be great18:19
nothlit`alphamaybe we should whip up a whole treatise on brown for the wiki18:20
troy_snothlit: This guy is brilliant18:20
troy_shttp://www.rgbstudio.co.uk/18:20
troy_sand he is very very very contemporary -- 2nd example shows you brown18:21
troy_snothlit: "highscore with moulton" shoe campaign is another one with the brown18:21
troy_salthough more teal base18:21
nothlit, !brown is <reply> Any colour can be effectively used as a base, it is merely execution. Brown is the colour of the earth, coffee, caramel, and chocolate. It is a characteristic of conte drawings and found very commonly in (raw umber) underpaintings. An example of brown being used very succesfully is Starbucks.18:22
nothlitthis is what i have atm18:22
nothlitraw umber is such a yummy pigment18:23
troy_snothlit: Link?18:24
troy_soh the pigment18:24
troy_sgreat title for a project too... lol... raw umber.18:24
nothlitoh, should we just use workforfood? he has some brown stuff18:25
troy_swell there are a good number out there now -- that victorian grunge look on clothes is rather massive right now18:26
troy_sbrown pullovers with various palette elements such as the light sky blue with embroidered stitching and or faux gold leaf18:26
troy_sactually, nothlit i forgot to mention that it is quite huge right now in snowboarding circles.  a friend of mine is a world class snowboarder who is sponsored by helly hansen to evaluate the designs -- it is quite all over that scene right now as well.18:31

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