[08:21] <lassegul> hi folks.
[09:15] <troy_s> lassegul: Any work of late?
[09:31] <lassegul> troy_s: yeah im trying to make some pictures of aurora polaris, I saw it while visiting family and i was amazed by the beauty of it.
[09:32] <lassegul> troy_s: and how the colours light up the ground as well. its truly amazing.
[09:33] <lassegul> troy_s: but i havent gotten anything ready to show yet, but i hope I can get there over the weekend. how about you?
[14:57] <abcde__> Where can I find a CD Label for Gutsy?
[15:20] <nothlit`alpha> abcde_: http://sinecera.de/GUTSY_ARTWORK.tar.bz2
[15:23] <abcde_> nothlit`alpha, thanks, I found some artwork I think looks better, and I found the xcf file, but I have to figure out how to change the text box on it that says feisty. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=422357&highlight=xcf
[15:25] <lassegul> nothlit`alpha: hi. im sorry i havent been online the last couple of days, we have changed the CMTS in our area so ive been offline for the last 3 days.
[15:25] <nothlit`alpha> lassegul: CMTS? thats fine, theres no gigantic rush
[15:26] <nothlit`alpha> i fixed up the getinvolved page
[15:28] <lassegul> cmts is a kind of hub for ISPs that use hybrid coax/fiber lines. GetInvolved is clean and nice.
[16:45] <SlimG3> Is there any (plans for) logos representing the ubuntu release codename? like a drake for dapper drake, this would be doable since all the codenames represents animals in different "moods"
[17:08] <lapo> hi
[17:15] <jarrod__> hi
[17:16] <jarrod__> i think u guys should stop using brown for your backgrounds as it looks very bad
[17:18] <SlimG3> *and they suddenly decided to go for another color*
[17:18] <SlimG3> :)
[17:25] <jarrod__> i think they should use blue or something
[17:26] <troy_s> jarrod__: And what is your 'knowledge' based one?
[17:26] <troy_s> on even
[17:26] <SlimG3> but I (and the people I've come across) agree with jarrod__ , I don't understand what made someone, somewhere, think that the color on his dodo actually looks nice, and even convinced mark to use it
[17:27] <troy_s> SlimG3: The actual colour has NOTHING to do with it.
[17:27] <troy_s> SlimG3: Brown can be very effective tonal base, the execution of the designs is far from useful.
[17:30] <SlimG3> but there still seems to me like there's a shared opinion amongst ubuntoids that the color _looks_ bad (Ps. I dunno what "tonal base" is)
[17:30] <troy_s> SlimG3: You would be making complete random speculation based on uneducated guessing.
[17:31] <troy_s> SlimG3: There are many that think that brown can work, and many that hate it.
[17:31] <jarrod__> i dont know what tonal base is either
[17:32] <troy_s> In the end, people who would suggest a blue are at least as out to lunch as suggesting a monochrome brown.
[17:33] <SlimG3> troy_s: That might be true and it might be false, I for myself haven't encountered anyone in my social network that has a positive or neutral attitude towards the default color of Ubuntu, but then again, I'm not hanging out woth the entire Ubuntu society (and I guess neither are you :))
[17:34] <SlimG3> Would be interesting to see the result of a major vote on the subject
[17:34] <jarrod__> ya
[17:34] <troy_s> SlimG3: It is garbage execution.  Nothing more or nothing less.
[17:34] <troy_s> SlimG3: Any poorly executed attempt can make just about anything look like dribble.
[17:35] <troy_s> SlimG3: And that would be exactly my point -- without a focus group and a proper poll, everyone is just talking from completely guessed vantages.
[17:36] <troy_s> SlimG3: In the end, I would be one of the people who would firmly agree that Brown with a rounded out palette could be at least as successful as say "Starbucks" design presentation or a high end interior design.
[17:36] <troy_s> SlimG3: It is a far far cry from that, however.
[17:36] <SlimG3> troy_s:  you mean the color is ok but the design ruins the total impression?
[17:37] <troy_s> SlimG3: The colour alone is _not_ "ok", but alas, this has been rehashed a thousand times.
[17:38] <SlimG3> mkay, I see your point
[17:39] <troy_s> SlimG3: Poor execution will inevitably lead to complaints about colour.
[17:39] <troy_s> SlimG3: We can change colours a thousand times and if it is poorly executed, it will still be rather useless and underwhelming.
[17:40] <troy_s> Again though, suggesting that 'brown' is the 'problem' is at least as ineffective and completely inaccurate as the implementation of it in Ubuntu.
[17:44] <SlimG3> troy_s: Thanks for taking the time to explain. What you're saying makes sense to me so I'm ditching my color-complaint
[17:44] <jarrod__> but i guess brown has always been the color so i guess changing it would be like a whole new os
[17:45] <troy_s> jarrod__: Indeed.  Worse -- at the very least the poorly underwhelming brown is distinct compared to the landscape of curley curvey blue garbage.
[17:45] <jarrod__> ya
[17:45] <troy_s> (Not that I am a fan of a 1995 trend to put curvey curley swoopy in)
[17:45] <troy_s> Just take a look at the equally bland and banal Fedora and Novell work.
[17:46] <troy_s> It is _extremely_ unfortunate that Diana Fong left the Red Hat team -- her work was at least moving in a far superior pattern to where the rubbish was going.
[17:48] <jarrod__> im gonna go now
[18:11] <nothlit> troy_s: can you throw me a popular example of a work or image using brown? i want to see if i can get in a factoid
[18:13] <troy_s> nothlit: Look at Starbucks 'burr' grinder from a few years ago -- it was a wonderful presentation.  It was stretched across all of their espresso machines too -- with different base tones for each.
[18:14] <troy_s> nothlit: I had a list somewhere... let me go look in a few...
[18:14] <nothlit`alpha> anything other than starbucks?
[18:17] <troy_s> nothlit: Yes.
[18:17] <troy_s> nothlit: (of course)
[18:18] <troy_s> nothlit: You could do a very quick reference to the victorian grunge trend in a good percentage of 18-20 somethings wardrobe
[18:18] <nothlit`alpha> lol, just asking if you have an example i can include
[18:18] <troy_s> yeah ... but i need to find actual links to products
[18:18] <troy_s> the brown in the victorian is almost always the palette blue that goes with it...
[18:19] <nothlit`alpha> np, if you can that would be great
[18:20] <nothlit`alpha> maybe we should whip up a whole treatise on brown for the wiki
[18:20] <troy_s> nothlit: This guy is brilliant
[18:20] <troy_s> http://www.rgbstudio.co.uk/
[18:21] <troy_s> and he is very very very contemporary -- 2nd example shows you brown
[18:21] <troy_s> nothlit: "highscore with moulton" shoe campaign is another one with the brown
[18:21] <troy_s> although more teal base
[18:22] <nothlit> , !brown is <reply> Any colour can be effectively used as a base, it is merely execution. Brown is the colour of the earth, coffee, caramel, and chocolate. It is a characteristic of conte drawings and found very commonly in (raw umber) underpaintings. An example of brown being used very succesfully is Starbucks.
[18:22] <nothlit> this is what i have atm
[18:23] <nothlit> raw umber is such a yummy pigment
[18:24] <troy_s> nothlit: Link?
[18:24] <troy_s> oh the pigment
[18:24] <troy_s> great title for a project too... lol... raw umber.
[18:25] <nothlit> oh, should we just use workforfood? he has some brown stuff
[18:26] <troy_s> well there are a good number out there now -- that victorian grunge look on clothes is rather massive right now
[18:26] <troy_s> brown pullovers with various palette elements such as the light sky blue with embroidered stitching and or faux gold leaf
[18:31] <troy_s> actually, nothlit i forgot to mention that it is quite huge right now in snowboarding circles.  a friend of mine is a world class snowboarder who is sponsored by helly hansen to evaluate the designs -- it is quite all over that scene right now as well.