[08:21] hi folks. [09:15] lassegul: Any work of late? [09:31] troy_s: yeah im trying to make some pictures of aurora polaris, I saw it while visiting family and i was amazed by the beauty of it. [09:32] troy_s: and how the colours light up the ground as well. its truly amazing. [09:33] troy_s: but i havent gotten anything ready to show yet, but i hope I can get there over the weekend. how about you? [14:57] Where can I find a CD Label for Gutsy? [15:20] abcde_: http://sinecera.de/GUTSY_ARTWORK.tar.bz2 [15:23] nothlit`alpha, thanks, I found some artwork I think looks better, and I found the xcf file, but I have to figure out how to change the text box on it that says feisty. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=422357&highlight=xcf [15:25] nothlit`alpha: hi. im sorry i havent been online the last couple of days, we have changed the CMTS in our area so ive been offline for the last 3 days. [15:25] lassegul: CMTS? thats fine, theres no gigantic rush [15:26] i fixed up the getinvolved page [15:28] cmts is a kind of hub for ISPs that use hybrid coax/fiber lines. GetInvolved is clean and nice. [16:45] Is there any (plans for) logos representing the ubuntu release codename? like a drake for dapper drake, this would be doable since all the codenames represents animals in different "moods" [17:08] hi [17:15] hi [17:16] i think u guys should stop using brown for your backgrounds as it looks very bad [17:18] *and they suddenly decided to go for another color* [17:18] :) [17:25] i think they should use blue or something [17:26] jarrod__: And what is your 'knowledge' based one? [17:26] on even [17:26] but I (and the people I've come across) agree with jarrod__ , I don't understand what made someone, somewhere, think that the color on his dodo actually looks nice, and even convinced mark to use it [17:27] SlimG3: The actual colour has NOTHING to do with it. [17:27] SlimG3: Brown can be very effective tonal base, the execution of the designs is far from useful. [17:30] but there still seems to me like there's a shared opinion amongst ubuntoids that the color _looks_ bad (Ps. I dunno what "tonal base" is) [17:30] SlimG3: You would be making complete random speculation based on uneducated guessing. [17:31] SlimG3: There are many that think that brown can work, and many that hate it. [17:31] i dont know what tonal base is either [17:32] In the end, people who would suggest a blue are at least as out to lunch as suggesting a monochrome brown. [17:33] troy_s: That might be true and it might be false, I for myself haven't encountered anyone in my social network that has a positive or neutral attitude towards the default color of Ubuntu, but then again, I'm not hanging out woth the entire Ubuntu society (and I guess neither are you :)) [17:34] Would be interesting to see the result of a major vote on the subject [17:34] ya [17:34] SlimG3: It is garbage execution. Nothing more or nothing less. [17:34] SlimG3: Any poorly executed attempt can make just about anything look like dribble. [17:35] SlimG3: And that would be exactly my point -- without a focus group and a proper poll, everyone is just talking from completely guessed vantages. [17:36] SlimG3: In the end, I would be one of the people who would firmly agree that Brown with a rounded out palette could be at least as successful as say "Starbucks" design presentation or a high end interior design. [17:36] SlimG3: It is a far far cry from that, however. [17:36] troy_s: you mean the color is ok but the design ruins the total impression? [17:37] SlimG3: The colour alone is _not_ "ok", but alas, this has been rehashed a thousand times. [17:38] mkay, I see your point [17:39] SlimG3: Poor execution will inevitably lead to complaints about colour. [17:39] SlimG3: We can change colours a thousand times and if it is poorly executed, it will still be rather useless and underwhelming. [17:40] Again though, suggesting that 'brown' is the 'problem' is at least as ineffective and completely inaccurate as the implementation of it in Ubuntu. [17:44] troy_s: Thanks for taking the time to explain. What you're saying makes sense to me so I'm ditching my color-complaint [17:44] but i guess brown has always been the color so i guess changing it would be like a whole new os [17:45] jarrod__: Indeed. Worse -- at the very least the poorly underwhelming brown is distinct compared to the landscape of curley curvey blue garbage. [17:45] ya [17:45] (Not that I am a fan of a 1995 trend to put curvey curley swoopy in) [17:45] Just take a look at the equally bland and banal Fedora and Novell work. [17:46] It is _extremely_ unfortunate that Diana Fong left the Red Hat team -- her work was at least moving in a far superior pattern to where the rubbish was going. [17:48] im gonna go now [18:11] troy_s: can you throw me a popular example of a work or image using brown? i want to see if i can get in a factoid [18:13] nothlit: Look at Starbucks 'burr' grinder from a few years ago -- it was a wonderful presentation. It was stretched across all of their espresso machines too -- with different base tones for each. [18:14] nothlit: I had a list somewhere... let me go look in a few... [18:14] anything other than starbucks? [18:17] nothlit: Yes. [18:17] nothlit: (of course) [18:18] nothlit: You could do a very quick reference to the victorian grunge trend in a good percentage of 18-20 somethings wardrobe [18:18] lol, just asking if you have an example i can include [18:18] yeah ... but i need to find actual links to products [18:18] the brown in the victorian is almost always the palette blue that goes with it... [18:19] np, if you can that would be great [18:20] maybe we should whip up a whole treatise on brown for the wiki [18:20] nothlit: This guy is brilliant [18:20] http://www.rgbstudio.co.uk/ [18:21] and he is very very very contemporary -- 2nd example shows you brown [18:21] nothlit: "highscore with moulton" shoe campaign is another one with the brown [18:21] although more teal base [18:22] , !brown is Any colour can be effectively used as a base, it is merely execution. Brown is the colour of the earth, coffee, caramel, and chocolate. It is a characteristic of conte drawings and found very commonly in (raw umber) underpaintings. An example of brown being used very succesfully is Starbucks. [18:22] this is what i have atm [18:23] raw umber is such a yummy pigment [18:24] nothlit: Link? [18:24] oh the pigment [18:24] great title for a project too... lol... raw umber. [18:25] oh, should we just use workforfood? he has some brown stuff [18:26] well there are a good number out there now -- that victorian grunge look on clothes is rather massive right now [18:26] brown pullovers with various palette elements such as the light sky blue with embroidered stitching and or faux gold leaf [18:31] actually, nothlit i forgot to mention that it is quite huge right now in snowboarding circles. a friend of mine is a world class snowboarder who is sponsored by helly hansen to evaluate the designs -- it is quite all over that scene right now as well.