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Ubuletteit's quiet in here today. is that the gutsy's effect ? :)00:13
asacyeah00:15
* gnomefreak working on a win pc thats not mine today00:15
gnomefreakpanda antivirus installed a trojan, kind of ironic00:15
* gnomefreak scared to remove it and ##windows channel fucking sucks00:16
asacgnomefreak: please don't get infected00:17
gnomefreakim not00:18
asacwhy again do you have to use windows for so long?00:19
gnomefreakasac: im on gutsy atm with win pc next to me fixing it for a friend00:25
gnomefreakasac: it brings in money ;)00:25
asachehe00:27
asacwhat is broken?00:27
gnomefreaksee above panada antivirus installed a trojan in its W32dir00:27
gnomefreakw32 dir.00:27
asacthats the "only" thing you are supposed to fix?00:29
gnomefreakasac: yes and its easy but im not sure if panda will work without that dll00:29
gnomefreakabout to find out though00:30
asacwell if it infects a dll then you don't want to use that scanner at all00:30
asacif its just detected as a trojan by some other tool but it actually isn't ... then its a false positive and not a problem00:31
asacgiven the fact that the release is out for a good time ... the network-manager bugcount has stayed stable at 19000:32
Ubulettegutsy's forum is full of it00:33
Ubulettewell, not anymore as it's closed00:33
asacUbulette: so the posts have been deleted?00:34
Ubulettehm, no, threads are still there but closed00:34
asacshow me a few that came after the release please00:34
Ubulettehmm, i've updated my bookmarks and rss feeds to hardy00:35
asacso where do all these complains end up now?00:36
gnomefreakasac: thats what bothers me everything i read is confliting one says FP other says its real BUT panda has said to have fixed this already00:36
Ubuletteasac, good question00:36
asaci somehow don't understand how forums are categorized00:37
Ubulettehttp://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=23800:37
gnomefreakthey will either be reopened or moved or new thread00:37
gnomefreakif you want i can find out00:37
* gnomefreak knows forum mods00:37
asacUbulette: i don't see any network-manager threads on top00:38
Ubulette"Wireless stopped working after today's update" ?00:39
Ubulettei'm not reading those00:39
asacProblem resolved. It turns out the wireless adapter hardware was somehow disabled. In WinXP, I can use Fn+F2 to disable my wireless card but I've never been able to do it in Ubuntu -- including now -- which is why it was the last thing I checked.00:39
gnomefreakis it not working or is it the servers being hit too hard (why does he feel it isnt working00:39
asacok so a rfkill switch issue maybe00:39
asacmaybe its that it now works and he didn't expect it to work :)00:40
asacand previously it was always on00:41
asaci would really like to be able to just close all bugs like they closed all threads in gutsy forum :)00:41
gnomefreakif you need one opened click REPORT above first post of thread00:41
gnomefreakand ask it to be moved and it will be moved and reopened. if needed fast if im here let me know and ill have it moved than00:42
asacgnomefreak: yeah00:42
asaci don't want to :)00:42
gnomefreaklol00:42
asaci even would like to follow their practice and close all bugs00:42
gnomefreakwould be nice00:44
gnomefreakwe close edgy soon :)00:44
gnomefreakapril 08 maybe00:44
gnomefreakholy shit00:44
gnomefreakalot of n-m bugs00:44
gnomefreakyou are maybe half of them00:45
asacme?00:51
asacyou mean lots of nm bugmail, right?00:51
gnomefreakyes00:53
gnomefreak>24 hours00:53
gnomefreakasac: bug 153753 seems weird is this something that changed in firefox or flash?00:54
gnomefreakoh yeah bot died00:54
gnomefreakhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/15375300:54
asacgnomefreak: he definitly has flash 7 somewhere00:56
asacmaybe in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/00:56
asacif not in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins nor ~/.mozilla/plugins/00:56
gnomefreakthats what i thought too but had to find out. care to tell him so i can go to bed?00:56
gnomefreakim gonn ashut it down to get gutsy(other partition) up and running as it has nothing installed since it was a basic feisty until today00:57
lee986321hello I need a confirmation01:23
lee986321in my latest up date to 64 bit system it is saying that fire fox is not accessable01:24
lee986321any one els running 64 bit that can verify?01:24
lee986321any one in here01:31
lee986321please respond01:31
Ubulettelee986321, it should work01:32
lee986321 has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source01:33
Ubulettewhich version ?01:33
lee986321Iam currently running Kubuntu 64 bit, I just recently esud the cd fro freshinstall adn half the stuff greyed out01:33
Ubulettefirefox 2.0.0.x is supported01:33
lee986321then wahts going on? how come I can't down load it01:34
lee986321I used01:34
lee986321sudo apt-get install firefox01:34
Ubulettewhat does this show: apt-cache policy firefox01:35
lee986321getting the data01:35
lee986321Installed: (none)Candidate: (none)Candidate: (none) version table is blank01:37
Ubulettehmm01:37
Ubulettewhat does apt-get install said ?01:37
lee986321I don't want to get introuble for flooding01:37
lee986321but01:37
Ubulettepaste into a pastebin01:37
lee986321E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)01:37
Ubuletteoh01:38
lee986321Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.01:38
lee986321This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or01:38
lee986321is only available from another source01:38
Ubulettemost probably the lock01:38
lee986321E: Package firefox has no installation candidate01:38
asaclee986321: use synaptic ... ensure that there are actually valid update source confirmed ... update the software index ...and things should work01:38
lee986321waht is a "lock"?01:38
asaclee986321: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox :)01:39
Ubulettea file preventing you to use 2 apt-get/synaptic/whatever at the same time01:39
asacif that doesn't work try to use synaptics in system administration menu to fix your sources01:39
Ubuletteasac, thx to show up.01:40
lee986321its doing a mess of osmething01:40
asaclee986321: your issues are really not firefox nor mozilla related, but somewhere further down the food chain ... try #ubuntu01:40
lee986321and stalled at 99 percent01:41
Ubulette(it's 2:40am here and I work early tomorrow)01:41
asacme too01:41
lee986321eh k I am on kubuntu01:41
lee986321but ty01:41
asaclee986321: ask there01:41
asacwe are probably out now :)01:41
asacbye01:41
lee986321ty01:42
asacok i am probably off for a while testing nm 0.710:27
Ubulettehi10:57
Ubuletteasac, http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/10/18/gobuntu-has-already-failed10:57
Ubulettelook at the bottom10:57
asachow is that news :)11:22
Ubuletteit's not. just pasted for the last part11:23
asacyeah11:23
Ubulettemike commented on that too11:24
asacbut how has gobuntu failed?11:24
asacwhere are the comments ... i don't see any on that page11:24
Ubulettejust because it shipped the same ff a gutsy, so with non free branding11:24
asacok ... but thats the fault of gobuntu then11:25
asaci have never been asked to fix anything in this regards11:25
Ubulettebut gobuntu is a plain canonical distro, right ?11:25
asace.g. we could punch iceweasel into universe and they can pick that for their distro11:25
asaci don't think so11:26
asaci think it all started with an independent project from fsf ... didn't it?11:26
asace.g. they wanted to build a 100% free distribution based on ubuntu11:26
asacthen mark said ... ok i want to support that11:26
Ubulettei thought it was an idea from Mark11:26
Ubulettehttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/13011:27
asacyeah i think it existed before ... other name i guess11:27
asacah i think it was gnewsense that inspired this project11:28
Ubuletteff 2008 is out officially. are you done with testing ?11:29
asacyes11:29
asaci am demotivated because we technically cannot roll this out before monday11:30
asacbecause of the gutsy dak sync11:30
Ubuletteat least, push it too ppa so users concerned about that have a chance to grab it11:31
asacUbulette: its in my ppa11:31
asac(except for gutsy)11:31
asacbut i can do that11:31
asacthe beta bits we tested are more or less the same11:31
asacthey miss two patches ... which are not critical11:31
asacin fact only dapper misses those two patches ... edgy and feisty are the same as 2.0.0.8 final11:51
asacso if people in forum ask, point them to my ppa ... and maybe tell them to subscribe to the testcase on mozilla.qa.stgraber.org to get informed when new prereleases become available :)11:51
asacUbulette: ^^ :)11:51
Ubuletteyep, but I'm now only reading the forum for hardy11:54
asachehe11:54
Ubulettei'm waiting for the new toolchain :)11:54
asaci need more forum embassador11:55
asacyeah11:55
Ubulettehttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/10/instantbird-mozilla-based-instant-messaging/11:55
asacnice11:58
asacall mirrors are slow ... thats bad for me :/12:01
Ubulettefor ?12:01
asacupdating chroots et al12:02
asacdo you have a full archive mirror?12:02
Ubulettenot anymore (too big). try the french mirrors12:03
Ubulettetry ftp://ftp.proxad.fr/ it's usually fast12:05
asaci ment full-mirror of main/universe of latest dev version :)12:05
asacftp protocol has always high latency for me12:06
asacdo they have http as well?12:06
Ubulettei dont know12:11
Ubulettetry it with ftp, it should be faster anyway12:12
asac_oh reconnect12:19
asac_Ubulette: btw yesterday you said that there are only X debian related channels on freenode ...12:27
asac_in fact debian doesn't use freenode, but oftc officially12:27
asac_but you probably know12:27
=== asac_ is now known as asac
Ubuletteyes, but i've only listed freenode12:30
asacsure12:30
asacat least debian-devel has 100+ more nicks than we have :)12:31
asac (in -devel)12:31
asachmmm all peers on amd64 torrent are served already12:40
asacuploading ... uploading ... uploading :)13:13
asacinteresting that my connection hasn't yet been dumped down13:14
Ubulettewhat speed ?13:14
asac100k total13:21
asacsucks13:21
Ubulettelol13:21
asacbut we already talked about it13:21
asacno fiber because of ignorant former monopol company that says: "copper is the future"13:21
UbuletteI can problably push a bit but 'im not sure it's useful13:22
asachehe13:27
asacUbulette: well these go directly to ubuntu archives.13:27
asacUbulette: you should at some point apply for MOTU powers13:27
asacbut not sure if you want that :)13:27
Ubulettewhat is the benefit ?13:28
asacyou can upload to universe :)13:28
Ubulettei've just started the two torrents for gutsy desktop i386/amd6413:29
Ubulette3min left13:29
Ubulette:)13:29
asacyeah13:31
asaclots of seeders13:31
Ubulette1min left13:31
asacdo you still see any leechers at all?13:31
Ubulettenot much13:32
asacprobably because one gets the bits with lightning speed13:32
Ubulette200KB/s, not much13:37
Ubulette600K13:37
Ubulette800K13:37
asaci thought you already have finished :)13:38
asacor are you redownloading?13:38
Ubulettethat's up13:38
Ubulette1.1M13:38
asacreally?13:39
asacso there are still leechers ;)13:39
asacok i think i don't need to seed then :)13:39
UbuletteI'll keep mine a bit, i don't lind13:42
Ubulettemind13:42
Ubulettei up 5 times more for i83613:45
asack13:45
Ubulettei've added the 2 alternates13:48
asac:)13:49
Ubuletteit's even faster13:49
Ubulette7M13:49
asaci wonder if mozilla silently dropped support for 1.8.0 branch tbird13:51
asacthey don't mention 1.5.0.14 in the advisories13:51
asacthough they should ... because they announced earlier that 1.5.0.14 _will_ be the last release13:51
Ubulettetb seems in a bad shape with lead devs gone13:51
asaclead devs gone?13:51
asacis mscott gone?13:52
asacwell ... they officially demoted thunderbird on trunk to be _just_ a product until a new company/foundation takes it under their umbrella13:52
asaci think that happened though13:52
Ubuletteyep13:52
asacs/just a product/just a project/13:52
asacso why do you think the lead devs are gone?13:53
asacdavid + scott are the ones that cares for that branch i guess13:53
Ubulettehold on. i'm looking as my rss archives13:53
Ubulettehttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/10/scott-mcgregor-thunderbird-lead-engineer-leaves-mozilla/13:54
Ubulettehttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/10/david-bienvenu-leaving-mozilla-thunderbird-in-trouble/13:54
asacthe titles look scary enough :/13:55
Ubulettenow I up at 1.4MB/s (11Mbps)13:59
Ubulette1.713:59
Ubulette1.914:00
asacyeah i just stopped to seed because of another upload :)14:00
Ubulette2.114:00
Ubulettemy ration is still < 1 :p14:05
Ubuletteratio14:05
asacmy ratio sucks14:06
asac:)14:06
Ubulette3.5M/s14:06
Ubulettebut it doesnt last long14:06
Ubulettei've upped 2.2G14:06
Ubulette4.1M/s14:07
Ubulette4.714:07
asacyou should up 100GB14:07
Ubulette5.714:07
Ubulette6.314:07
Ubulette7.414:07
Ubulette:)14:07
Ubulette8.814:07
asachow many leachers do you have`14:07
Ubulette9.114:07
Ubuletteno idea14:07
Ubulettehttp://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gutsy.png14:09
asacnice14:12
Ubuletteratio 1.514:13
asacUbulette: do you know how to make pbuilder autosign packages?14:15
asachmm ... nevermind14:16
asacok ... i have 3 * xul 1.8.0 + 2 * xul 1.8.1 + 3 * iceape + 2 * icedove + 5 * thunderbird + 5 * firefox + 2 * sunbird + 1 * iceowl + 2 * xulrunner-1.9 + 2 * firefox-3.014:20
asacon every security update14:20
asacouch14:20
asacwell 1.9 and 3.0 are not released in sync ... but somewhere in between i guess14:21
asaci think i have to automize all this14:21
asacits _really_ painful atm14:21
Ubulettewhy 2 xul1.9 ?14:25
asacgutsy + hardy14:26
asacthis time i have luck :)14:26
asacwell not much :)14:27
Ubuletteyou have to push twice right ? just with debian/changelog =~ 's/gutsy/hardy/' ?14:28
asacwell ... this upload it will be more or less like that14:29
asacmaybe i will stop to improve firefox in hardy ...then i could stick to this14:29
asacbut i forked the branch alreadey14:29
asacin bzr14:29
Ubulettewhere?14:33
asacubuntu-2.0.0.x.gutsy ... or something like taht14:34
Ubuletteoh ok14:36
asachi Jazzva15:03
JazzvaHello asac...15:04
JazzvaI'll try to fix that bug in ubufox now. I wasn't really able to start working in the morning...15:05
Jazzvabtw, when are hardy repos gonna be available?15:09
asacJazzva: i think they are available right now15:09
JazzvaI thought of setting up old HDD for it :)...15:09
asacbut nothing has changed so far15:09
asactry to flip your sources.list15:09
asacah15:09
asacJazzva: Ubulette already switched to hardy ;)15:10
JazzvaWell, I have to install some ubuntu on that other drive first... :)15:10
JazzvaUbulette: Cool :D...15:10
JazzvaI wouldn't have courage to do it on this installation...15:11
UbuletteGet:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release [65.9kB]15:15
UbuletteGet:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages [1075kB]15:15
UbuletteGet:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/restricted Packages [7638B]15:15
UbuletteGet:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Packages [158kB]15:15
UbuletteGet:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages [4065kB]15:15
Jazzva:)15:15
Ubulettebut it's damn slow15:15
UbuletteFetched 6963kB in 2m1s (57.3kB/s)15:15
asacha 50K :)15:21
JazzvaHmm, funny... In firefox2 I can't install a video plugin using ubufox from repo.15:30
JazzvaI'll try it now in gp.15:30
asacJazzva: you are talking abuot your ubufox?15:31
asacJazzva: which videoplugin?15:31
Jazzvaasac: No, about the version from the repos...15:31
asacwhat site?15:31
Jazzvapeople.ubuntu.com/.../2_multicontent.html15:32
asacwhat error do you get?15:32
asacfor me synaptic fails atm with:15:32
asachttp://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)15:32
asachttp://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)15:32
asachttp://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-backports/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)15:33
asachttp://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/Release: Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)15:33
JazzvaAnd it doesn't matter which plugin. When you select a plugin and click next it skips to the last page... There is some page in between, but it's there for less then a second15:33
asacstrange15:33
asacJazzva: that works for me15:33
JazzvaOk, I'll check it again :/...15:33
JazzvaIs it the repository version?15:33
asachmm after the error it installs totem anyway15:34
asac0.4~beta1-0ubuntu415:34
asaci think thats ahead?15:34
Jazzvahmm, I have -0ubuntu3...15:35
asacworks with 3 as well15:35
asacJazzva: maybe you have still your version installed in the profile15:37
asacyou have to uninstall in addons dialog15:37
JazzvaDid that...15:37
asaconly then you will see the system installed one15:37
asacok15:37
asacerror console?15:37
asacany output?15:37
JazzvaNone...15:38
JazzvaBut it behaves weird.15:38
JazzvaIt lets me to skip to the next page, even if no plugin is selected15:38
asacno plugin is selected?15:39
asacthat doesn't happen at all here15:39
asacthe stable ubufox selects the first automatically iirc15:39
asacmaybe you have your own ubuntu3 build installed?15:39
JazzvaYes, that's what it should do15:39
asacapt-get remove ubufox ... then apt-get clean ... then install again15:39
JazzvaOk15:40
asacdoes the mozillateam want to do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting15:45
asac??15:45
JazzvaThe report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/September2007 does look nice... Clean and simple. (my opinion, even though I'm not part of mozillateam)15:50
asacJazzva: you are not?15:51
asacJazzva: you should i guess15:51
Jazzvaasac: I meant you mean official members... nvm :).15:51
Jazzvaasac: The version from the repo works nice... it was still mine installed15:52
asacok :)15:52
asacgood ;)15:52
JazzvaI'll do a diff between mine and the repo version and try to find the bug :).15:52
asacwell ... maybe really try to get the branch updated ;)15:53
asacthe real i mean15:53
asacwe should also integrate the finish translation that i couldn't include for release15:53
JazzvaHuh?15:53
asacderived from main branch :)15:53
asacor did you already do that?15:53
Jazzva~asac/ubufox/main? that one?15:53
asacyes15:53
asacthats the _upstream_ branch ... which we use for development15:54
JazzvaI did... I branched from that and merged with my current (ff3)...15:54
asacthe ubuntu ones just get the packaging and cherry-picked patches in debian/patches15:54
asacJazzva: well ... what happened to the debian dir?15:54
asacthe main branch must not have one15:54
JazzvaWell, there isn't one..15:54
asacok15:55
asacdid you remove it explicitly?15:55
asacduring merge?15:55
JazzvaNope...15:55
asachow did you merge then?15:55
Jazzvabzr merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jazzva/ubufox/ff315:55
JazzvaIt went without an error...15:55
asacok so ff3 was already based on main15:56
JazzvaYep...15:56
asacbut your ubuntu branch was based on ubuntu15:56
asaci don't understand15:56
JazzvaWas it? *unsure*15:56
asacit is15:56
JazzvaBecause I branched ff3 from my ubuntu branch15:57
asacoh no15:57
asacthen i was just confused15:57
asacok15:57
JazzvaOk :)...15:57
asacmaybe rename it to main15:57
JazzvaI guess :)...15:57
JazzvaIt'll be less confusing...15:57
asace.g. use that one15:57
asacJazzva: maybe fix the ubuntu/main branch first then15:57
asacif that works merge the changes you did to ff3 as well15:58
JazzvaOk...15:58
asaci think the ubuntu/main branch is broken in itself15:58
JazzvaI'll take a look. Brb, lunch.15:58
asac_hmm16:14
asac_this is chatzilla with xulrunner-1.916:14
asac_i think we want to package that :)16:15
Ubulettewhat is "this" ?16:19
Ubulettei've already mentioned chatzilla /w xul weeks ago16:20
asachehe16:24
asacyeah might be .. you mentioned alot ;)16:24
asaci think we should setup a list of xulapps for hardy16:24
Jazzvaasac, fixed :)16:25
JazzvaAt least it selects first radio button by default, and I tested with mplayer and it calles apturl for that package...16:26
asachehe16:26
asacfine16:26
asacso that is on top of current main, right?16:26
Jazzvano, i still haven't pushed it...16:27
asacno ... i mean locally16:27
Jazzvatep16:27
asacif you fixed "main"16:27
Jazzvayep16:27
asacok16:27
asacthen pull in the admin feature for ubuntu as well16:27
asacaeh for main :)16:27
JazzvaI think it's already there :)... just to test it16:27
JazzvaIt's working...16:29
JazzvaSo, should I push this to main (that is /ubufox/ubuntu) and ff3, and then ask someone to rename ubuntu to main branch? (Or, can I rename it myself *unsure*?)16:30
asacJazzva: you can rename on your own16:39
asacin launchpad16:40
JazzvaOk... I'll go find it now...16:40
Ubuletteasac, i'm still at 5M/s17:08
Ubulettei stop there: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/gutsy2.png17:56
Ubulettethat's equivalent to 81 CDs17:57
Jazzvaasac, both branches are updated... i'll rename ff3 to main.ff318:02
Jazzvaubuntu is renamed to main18:02
Ubulettearchive is damn slow20:19
asacJazzva: good23:21
JazzvaOk :)...23:32

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