[00:18] <theDeul> hi folks, having some supremely frustrating newbie times... can anyone give a hand with network setup? (intel c2d, imac, 7.04)...
[00:18] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[00:18] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:20] <cheeseboy> argh firefox won't compile
[00:20] <cheeseboy> :(
[00:21] <theDeul> 10-4, just trying to be polite/seeing it anyone is paying attention :) anyway, can't get either wireless or wired connections going, but I'm tackling the wired first. In system/Network Settings, under the connections tab, I go into the properties for "Wired connection", and have it set to DHCP, but cannot connect... shouldn't there be somewhere for me to enter my password and username and such for a DSL connection?
[00:25] <wbadger> I think you need "Modem connection" if you connect to a modem
[00:25] <wbadger> theDeul, do you connect to a router or only a modem?
[00:26] <theDeul> directly to the DSL modem
[00:26] <theDeul> not dial-up
[00:27] <wbadger> if it is a modem you need "Modem connection" imo
[00:27] <wbadger> do you have that in the connections tab?
[00:27] <magic_ninja> has anyone gotten their mic working with wine and steam
[00:27] <wbadger> magic_ninja, try #winehq?
[00:29] <theDeul> yes, but it seems that the "modem connection" setting is for dial up connections... it asks for a phone number to dial to, etc. I'm looking for DHCP connection to a DSL modem (ethernet). "modem connection" has no options for dhcp ethernet connections
[00:31] <wbadger> did you check, after you configured the "Wired connection", if you are connected to your modem?
[00:31] <wbadger> sorry I'm just confused.. guess I can't help you
[00:32] <theDeul> thx anyway...
[00:33] <theDeul> I just expected to see a username and password field in "wired connection", but find none... only the option to have either static IP or DHCP
[00:38] <theDeul> oh, just found some better instructions.. think I was following the wrong guide... thanks anyway guys, I appreciate your help.
[00:44] <theDeul> hi again.  this guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/internet/C/connect-to-internet.html) says I need to run a program called pppoeconf, which doesn't appear to be on my system. the guide says to install the package from the CD, but I have no idea how to do this..
[00:45] <theDeul> so I guess the question is how do you install packages from a liveCD?
[01:07] <BrokenPipe> Is there any way to force update-manager to upGRADE from the Gutsy CD?
[01:08] <BrokenPipe> I've upDATEd packages from the CD in the package manager, but the Upgrade Manager only seems to download from remote sources.
[01:43] <R[a]ndom> wow.
[01:44] <R[a]ndom> did anyone.. you know.. run gutsy before releasing it?
[01:44]  * R[a]ndom goes off to find a new distro
[01:47] <LastMall> fortunately there are plenty
[01:48] <cheeseboy> anyone use opera?
[01:49] <malcolmb>  looks like R[a]ndom has found bugs?  Or just generally dislikes it?
[01:49] <LastMall> opera, yeah.
[01:49] <R[a]ndom> bugs is an understatement
[01:49] <cheeseboy> LastMall know how to use .ini with it?
[01:49] <R[a]ndom> but yeah. random found bugs :P
[01:50] <LastMall> cheeseboy  what you mean ?
[01:50] <malcolmb> ya?  basic stuff on the system, or are you trying some craziness?
[01:50] <cheeseboy> LastMall someone made a toolbar.ini for it
[01:50] <cheeseboy> but is for opera 7
[01:50] <cheeseboy> :(
[01:50] <cheeseboy> so it won't work
[01:50] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, things like booting XFCE failed horribly
[01:51] <LastMall> cheeseboy  there's been a complete rewrite of opera since version 7
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> well, I could see the screen as long as I killall'd xfwm4
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> but then it was kinda hard to use
[01:51] <cheeseboy> LastMall yes i know
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> I finally had to install ubuntu-desktop to get something I can see
[01:51] <LastMall> cheeseboy  so chances are it won't work
[01:51] <cheeseboy> LastMall i was hoping someone could update toolbar.ini
[01:51] <pcrtech> where do i find repository mirrors
[01:51] <cheeseboy> its very short
[01:52] <pcrtech> trying to update but the ubuntu servers keep timing out
[01:52] <malcolmb> R[a]ndom: that's weird.  I have Ubuntu on my laptop right now and I just went and installed xubuntu-desktop through that
[01:52] <malcolmb> so no login errors for me as yet
[01:52] <cheeseboy> LastMall can you help?
[01:53] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, I dont doubt it.  of course it works for some, or they actually woudlnt have released it
[01:53] <LastMall> cheeseboy  no
[01:53] <cheeseboy> :(
[01:53] <R[a]ndom> the installer also got confused when deleting partitions, so the install failed, and I had to reboot after partitioning
[01:54] <R[a]ndom> it was super laggy before installing the nvidia drivers. after installing the nvidia drivers the text was like 2pt
[01:54] <R[a]ndom> couldnt read anything
[01:54] <malcolmb> ouch
[01:54] <R[a]ndom> luckily I remembered what the screen config icon looked like
[01:54] <R[a]ndom> and I cant make heads or tails of this new xorg.conf. heh
[01:55] <malcolmb> well
[01:55] <malcolmb> login to shell first instead maybe,
[01:55] <malcolmb> text edit xorg.conf through there instead?
[01:55] <malcolmb> reset that back to a basic driver
[01:56] <R[a]ndom> yeah, I could do that. but TBH, I think I'm just going to use another distro.  I've been meaning to switch for a while, but the big hoopbla of gutsy got me interested
[01:56] <LastMall> http://fosswire.com/2007/08/17/ubuntu-getting-xorgconf-gui/
[01:57] <R[a]ndom> hah. 'open link in browser' doesnt work anymore
[01:57] <R[a]ndom> nice.
[01:58] <R[a]ndom> if that was for me, LastMall I know about that utility
[01:58] <R[a]ndom> and it works so well that my screen pans around, even though I'm running it at 1600x1200
[01:58] <R[a]ndom> :P
[01:58] <malcolmb> heh
[01:58] <LastMall> cleary you're quite clever, just unlucky.
[01:59] <R[a]ndom> that sentiment right there is almost enough to make me stay. :)
[02:05] <pcrtech> is there a way to set my computer to shut itself down after a set amount of time?
[02:06] <pcrtech> cause I need to go home and dont want to leave the computer on all night cause the power is in and out
[02:06] <alnokt0a> yes shutdown -r i think
[02:06] <alnokt0a> see shutdown --help
[02:09] <theDeul> hi there, I'm trying to install adobe flashplayer, but when I try to run the install program (by entering "$ ./flashplayer-installer" in the unarchived location) I get the response "bash: $: command not found". Any ideas?
[02:10] <malcolmb> make it executable?
[02:10] <malcolmb> chmod +x flashplayer-installer
[02:10] <R[a]ndom> isnt it .sh?
[02:10] <R[a]ndom> been ages since ive done that..
[02:11] <malcolmb> on another note, firefox installes flash itself in gutsy does it not?
[02:11] <theDeul> sorry guys, extreme newbie alert, not really sure what you're telling me to do...
[02:11] <theDeul> I'm in 7.04
[02:11] <malcolmb> ah ok
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, its sposed to
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> :P
[02:11] <malcolmb> there you go
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> $ chmod +X flashplayer-installer
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> $ ./flashplayer-installer
[02:11] <theDeul> thanks I'll try that
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> $ thanks linux!
[02:11] <malcolmb> so ya, probably the flashplayer-installer file needs to be set as a program you can run
[02:11] <malcolmb> so that command
[02:11] <R[a]ndom> theDeul, lower case x
[02:12] <R[a]ndom> typo on my side
[02:12] <malcolmb> (that's what I just told'em)
[02:12] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, yeah be he wanted to hear it again ;)
[02:12] <malcolmb> does that work?
[02:12] <R[a]ndom> at times
[02:12] <malcolmb> I mean theDeul, does that work?
[02:12] <malcolmb> hehe
[02:13] <theDeul> I get "bash: $: command not found" after the chmod. Is that saying that "$" is a command that isn't found?
[02:13] <R[a]ndom> oh
[02:13] <R[a]ndom> dont type the $
[02:13] <malcolmb> ooooh
[02:13] <R[a]ndom> $ is the prompt
[02:14] <theDeul> oooooh
[02:14] <theDeul> lol
[02:14] <R[a]ndom> oooooh
[02:14] <R[a]ndom> :)
[02:14] <malcolmb> hahah
[02:14] <malcolmb> good stuff
[02:14] <R[a]ndom> I did that in my day.
[02:14] <theDeul> ha ha there we go... thanks!
[02:15] <malcolmb> now, all that's left to do is upgrade to 7.10!
[02:15] <malcolmb> though if you have Random's luck everything might break
[02:15] <malcolmb> (but you won't)
[02:16] <theDeul> how necessary is that right now?
[02:16] <malcolmb> probly best to wait a few days anyways
[02:17] <malcolmb> servers are on a high load and slow
[02:17] <R[a]ndom> theDeul, wait. the servers are really slow
[02:17] <R[a]ndom> on install mine hung waiting for the servers
[02:17] <R[a]ndom> I had to pull the network cable after 10 mins to make it keep going
[02:17] <theDeul> okie dokie... I think I'll spend some time getting used to this stuff... just switched from OS X
[02:17] <malcolmb> it's actually taken me like an hour to install xubuntu packages...only 60 megs
[02:17] <malcolmb> nice
[02:17] <R[a]ndom> theDeul, yeah theres no rush at all to upgrade
[02:17] <malcolmb> any reason you chose xubuntu?
[02:18] <theDeul> rather than?
[02:18] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, I found a repo that goes at 500k/sec no prob ;)
[02:18] <malcolmb> ouch
[02:18] <R[a]ndom> theDeul, ubuntu, kubuntu, fluxbunt
[02:18] <malcolmb> damn these canadian servers!
[02:18] <R[a]ndom> it was a canadian server
[02:18] <R[a]ndom> lemme look 'er up
[02:18] <malcolmb> saw some new screenshots for fluxubuntu, it looks real nice
[02:18] <theDeul> mmm.. just that I know it's easy on resources... that's all really... don't know much else about it
[02:18] <malcolmb> ya that's about it?
[02:19] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb,  ubuntu.mirror.rafal.ca
[02:19] <malcolmb> it's still a good intro to linux
[02:19] <malcolmb> because it's easy on the configuration options and pretty usable
[02:19] <theDeul> now I need to get a few other things working: audio and wireless
[02:19] <R[a]ndom> wow
[02:19] <malcolmb> R[a]ndom, if I add a repo do I need to do gpg key signing on them everytime?
[02:19] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, nope
[02:19] <malcolmb> wow is right
[02:20] <malcolmb> oh ya, theDeul
[02:20] <malcolmb> one the about gutsy is that with 7.10 gutsy
[02:20] <R[a]ndom> ^ o.O
[02:20] <malcolmb> a program, network-manager is better
[02:20] <malcolmb> in 7.04 it's bugged
[02:20] <theDeul> ah,
[02:20] <R[a]ndom> thats the most confusing phrase ever.
[02:20] <R[a]ndom> "one the about gutsy is that with 7.10 gutsy"
[02:20] <theDeul> any advice in terms of getting my audio working
[02:20] <theDeul> ?
[02:21] <R[a]ndom> I havent had to troubleshoot audio in ages.
[02:21] <R[a]ndom> is it a laptop?
[02:21] <R[a]ndom> or some high end audio card?
[02:21] <malcolmb> one *thing* about gutsy is that there's the network-manager program that works properly and makes wireless a snap
[02:21] <theDeul> no, core2duo imac
[02:21] <malcolmb> in 7.04 the program doesn't work as well
[02:21] <malcolmb> (it's been a long day)
[02:21] <R[a]ndom> theDeul, the google perhaps?  I dunno.
[02:21] <theDeul> I figured out what you were saying already ;)
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> if you do google about, remember that ubuntu is the same thing as xubuntu
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> so most of the solutions work
[02:22] <theDeul> yeah, that's my next stop... Thanks guys... big help.
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> np
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> oh thats the other great thing about xubuntu
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> the irc channel is nicer :)
[02:22] <R[a]ndom> lower volume
[02:23] <theDeul> cool.. well I'm pretty sure I'll be back sometime soon, so ttfn and thanks again!
[02:23] <malcolmb> cya
[02:23] <R[a]ndom> np cya
[02:25] <malcolmb> ok lets try out this new repo
[02:26] <malcolmb> nice, full speed
[02:26] <superkirbyartist> How do I convert MPEG video to Ogg theora?
[02:27] <R[a]ndom> malcolmb, I used the fancy new repo chooser to find it
[02:27] <R[a]ndom> it was almost slick
[02:27] <R[a]ndom> if only the timeouts for the pings werent set to like 30 seconds
[02:27] <R[a]ndom> so it took for freakin ever
[02:27] <R[a]ndom> guys, if it doesnt respond in 4 seconds, I dont care what the ping is :P
[02:28] <malcolmb> like the "find best server"?
[02:29] <R[a]ndom> yeh
[02:29] <malcolmb> ya looks good
[02:29] <malcolmb> I never tried to do that before
[02:29] <R[a]ndom> dont click it now :P
[02:29] <malcolmb> most of the time there's no problems that come up
[02:29] <malcolmb> haha
[02:29] <malcolmb> good point
[02:29] <R[a]ndom> a lot of servers time out
[02:29] <R[a]ndom> and it waits for them
[02:29] <malcolmb> what are the chances
[02:29] <R[a]ndom> and the first time I ran it, when it was almost done, the window disappeared
[02:29] <superkirbyartist> How do I convert MPEG video to Ogg theora?
[02:29] <malcolmb> ok!
[02:29] <superkirbyartist> How do I convert MPEG video to Ogg theora?
[02:29] <superkirbyartist> How do I convert MPEG video to Ogg theora?
[02:29] <malcolmb> brb
[02:30] <R[a]ndom> if I only, was an op.
[02:30] <R[a]ndom> that was quick
[02:31] <R[a]ndom> where abouts in canada are you?
[02:31] <malcolmb> Toronto
[02:31] <malcolmb> just finished installing xubuntu
[02:32] <malcolmb> and whiched over
[02:32] <R[a]ndom> neato. I'm at broadway and danforth
[02:32] <R[a]ndom> broadway station
[02:32] <malcolmb> nice
[02:32] <R[a]ndom> broadview
[02:32] <R[a]ndom> I'm tired too obviously
[02:32] <malcolmb> hah
[02:32] <malcolmb> pretty sick now
[02:32] <malcolmb> compiz and awn in Xfce
[02:32] <R[a]ndom> I never got anywhere near compiz.
[02:32] <malcolmb> it's super easy in gutsy
[02:32]  * R[a]ndom devowers malcolmb's brains
[02:33] <malcolmb> and all works pretty well now
[02:33] <R[a]ndom> yeah, gutsy is great
[02:33] <R[a]ndom> it all just works
[02:33] <malcolmb> hahah
[02:33] <malcolmb> who was having problems with video 20 min ago?
[02:33] <R[a]ndom> <-
[02:33] <malcolmb> so you work? student?
[02:33] <R[a]ndom> either way, I'm off installing another distro.
[02:33] <malcolmb> going to Fsoss?
[02:33] <malcolmb> haha
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> ryerson. electrical engineering
[02:34] <malcolmb> baaam
[02:34] <malcolmb> Ryerson, ITM
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> ill be back in like 3..
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> itm?
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> 30 mins or so, if youre sticking around
[02:34] <malcolmb> ya i'll be around
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> itm?
[02:34] <malcolmb> information technology managment
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> you are?
[02:34] <malcolmb> in the business building
[02:34] <malcolmb> ya
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> niice
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> what year?
[02:34] <malcolmb> 3rd
[02:34] <R[a]ndom> hah!
[02:34] <malcolmb> taking coop
[02:35] <R[a]ndom> msn: iwishiwasntstuck@hotmail.com if for some reason i don't return.  don't find many fellow linux users
[02:35] <R[a]ndom> anyway
[02:35] <R[a]ndom> away I go
[02:35] <malcolmb> ok
[02:37] <mtf20022002> what is different with xubuntu
[02:37] <LastMall> different compared to what ?
[02:38] <mtf20022002> ubuntu
[02:42] <random> hah
[02:42] <random> now look at that dif
[02:42] <random> I'm installing driva now
[02:42] <random> it loaded the nvidia driver during the installer
[02:42] <random> and I have a composited environment for installing.
[02:42] <malcolmb> that's an improvement
[02:43] <random> and the partitioner is graphical and beautiful
[02:44] <malcolmb> lets hope that translates into "it did fuck up my file system"
[02:44] <malcolmb> didn't*
[02:44] <random> heh
[02:46] <random> sorry, so what did you say you take, malcolmb?
[02:46] <random> I have the horrible memory.
[02:46] <jimmyww> okay i have a big problem, i get the error "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"      can anyone help please
[02:47] <malcolmb> about?
[02:47] <random> are you using the floppy?
[02:47] <jimmyww> no
[02:47] <random> then that doesnt sound like a big deal
[02:47] <random> its telling you the floppy is unhappy
[02:47] <jimmyww> it machine doesnt have a floppy
[02:47] <random> thats probably why its unhappy.
[02:47] <malcolmb> random, are you going to Fsoss next week?
[02:47] <jimmyww> the machine has a drive where you can but a floppy disk or a cd drive
[02:48] <random> malcolmb: maybe if you tell me what it is
[02:48] <jimmyww> so i have to cd drive in
[02:48] <random> jimmyww: did you change while the system was running?
[02:48] <jimmyww> no
[02:48] <random> hm. dunno then. a driver issue of some sort?
[02:48] <random> I'm really not the one to be answering questions. heh
[02:48] <jimmyww> so what do i do to fix
[02:49] <jimmyww> ?
[02:50] <random> dunno.  I'm not much of a support person.
[02:50] <malcolmb> random: open source symposium at seneca next week
[02:50] <random> malcolmb: probably not. 3 midterms, and I'm installing a new OS instead of studying
[02:50] <jimmyww> random, where do you think i could get an answer to this
[02:51] <random> jimmyww: google, #ubuntu perhaps.  maybe here with other people here
[02:51] <malcolmb> hahaha,
[02:51] <random> I just came to complain about trouble I was having
[02:51] <jimmyww> thx
[02:51] <malcolmb> http://fsoss.senecac.on.ca/2007/
[02:51] <jimmyww> lots comes up on google but no fixes
[02:51] <random> o/
[02:52] <random> jimmyww: are you back from the google already?
[02:52] <random> theres no way you looked in that amount of time
[02:52] <random> REBOOTS
[02:52] <jimmyww> random, i have looked before
[02:52] <shinynew_> anyone else haveing gtk troubles after the dist-upgrade?
[02:53] <shinynew_> hello?
[02:57] <malcolmb> there's some people have problems
[02:57] <jimmyww> so no one has a fix for the error "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"     i get on the live cd
[02:57] <malcolmb> not sure if anyones had that problem
[02:57] <shinynew_> not that, some gtk lib issues
[02:58] <shinynew_> that i cant seem to fix
[02:58] <shinynew_> right now i am recompileing gtk 2.10.13 from source
[03:03] <kalikiana> Heya everybody, what's up? :)
[03:04] <shinynew_> i am haveing huge problems with GTK after trying the dist upgrade
[03:04] <shinynew_> and so far no one nor google can help me
[03:04] <kalikiana> What kind of problems?
[03:04] <shinynew_> like no GUIs will start up
[03:04] <shinynew_> they just throw out an error
[03:05] <shinynew_> but ones already running are wokring
[03:05] <shinynew_> also ubuntu-desktop kills apt-get when i try to install it
[03:05] <shinynew_> "/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl"
[03:06] <shinynew_> i am recomplileing gtk from source right now
[03:06] <shinynew_> also i never knew how slow this channel is
[03:08] <kalikiana> I've not been here for a while. It used to be populated. Maybe everybody else is just clueless about that problem, like me unfortunately.
[03:09] <shinynew_> like try saying seven sentences in #ubuntu
[03:09] <kalikiana> Haha, no, that's a newbie mistake. Wise people don't even join that horror. :P
[03:11] <shinynew_> well it seems like i would get more opinions from a wider range of people there
[03:13] <malcolmb> ya, you'll get help no doubt
[03:13] <malcolmb> but calling it a horror....that's just...correct
[03:21] <malcolmb> now, how can I set up window decorations to use with compiz in xubuntu?
[03:21] <malcolmb> not sure what I need to do for this
[03:23] <shinynew_> well compiz is a window manager
[03:23] <shinynew_> not just a window decorator
[03:23] <shinynew_> so the same way you do it in anyway
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> anyone know why the Xubuntu alternate is so much bigger than the desktop?
[03:27] <kalikiana> malcolmb, Start emerald.
[03:28] <malcolmb> thanks
[03:36] <malcolmb> bam, emerald-theme-manager is cool too.  Never used anything like that
[03:39] <kalikiana> It's... complicated. And on top it doesn't allow me to setup the buttons like I want.
[03:39] <kalikiana> So it's not that cool actually.
[03:40] <malcolmb> ah, ok
[03:40] <malcolmb> I take and back, instead: it's cool because after 2 seconds nothing is broken
[03:41] <kalikiana> Hehe, speaking of the whole unstable compiz thing you're probably right.
[03:42] <kalikiana> Oh my, that nick makes me think of the game "Tron 2".
[04:01] <shinynew_> i hope the kernel didnt panic /bad joke
[04:03] <R[a]ndom> ok. I'm stumped
[04:04] <R[a]ndom> and strangely enough on gutsy again
[04:04] <R[a]ndom> anyone have multi mon set up in gutsy?
[04:11] <adeluna> Hi, xubuntu desktop 7.10 prompts for user and pass  someone knows it?
[04:14] <jimmyww_> so no one has a fix for "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[04:20] <jimmyww_> "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0" help please
[04:20] <keb> your floppy disk is dirty?
[04:20] <jimmyww_> no floppy drive
[04:21] <keb> hmm
[04:21] <jimmyww_> it has a cd drive
[04:21] <jimmyww_> that can be swapped for a floppy
[04:21] <keb> oh a laptop
[04:22] <jimmyww_> keb, do you have any idea how to fix
[04:22] <keb> well in windows there is a swap utility you use before ejecting the drive and putting in the cd, i dont know if there is some command you should use to init the swappable drive bay
[04:23] <keb> in ubuntu
[04:24] <jimmyww_> im not sure what you mean
[04:26] <keb> jimmyww_ is it an ibm ?  http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_hotswap_UltraBay_devices
[04:28] <jimmyww_> the error occurs on the live  cds
[04:28] <keb> oh so you can't even boot
[04:29] <jimmyww_> no
[04:29] <jimmyww_> i cant use alternatate cd aswell as i have to use a live cd,
[04:30] <adeluna> anyone who knows de user and pass for the live cd ??
[04:30] <jimmyww_> too complicated to explain that
[04:30] <jimmyww_> thoughg
[04:31] <keb> jimmyww_ was able to install using the text version https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/13922
[04:31] <keb> *someine
[04:31] <keb> *someone
[04:32] <keb> lol
[04:32] <jimmyww_> keb, i need a live cd
[04:32] <keb> ok
[04:32] <jimmyww_> because computers not mine yet
[04:32] <jimmyww_> only if i get a live cd working
[04:34] <keb> jimmyww_ can you disable the floppy drive from the bios?
[04:35] <jimmyww_> yes, but then it does some other erro
[04:35] <jimmyww_> r
[04:35] <jimmyww_> um then it just loads and gives me a busybox thing or similar
[04:40] <jimmyww_> someone on the ubuntu irc suggested it is a cd error
[04:40] <jimmyww_> when i choose check for defects i got the same error
[04:40] <keb> yeah someone also said if they used a plan cd-rom drive instead of combo dvd/cdrw drive it worked for them
[04:40] <keb> *plain
[04:40] <jimmyww_> im going to burn to cd again really slow
[04:41] <jimmyww_> thiss is a plan cd drive
[04:50] <keb> hmm maybe someone needs to make a live cd with floppy in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:50] <keb> i wonder if that can be done ad hoc by booting from the alternate cd
[04:51] <jimmyww_> really this is my first shot at linux (im 15) so im a newbie
[04:52] <keb> np, just thinking out loud here ;)
[04:52] <jimmyww_> trying with new cd now
[04:52] <jimmyww_> should i choose check cd for defects?
[04:53] <keb> sure
[04:53] <jimmyww_> i just  hit enter
[04:53] <jimmyww_> load keneral 100%
[04:53] <keb> that will at least verify that the cd drive works and the disk is ok
[04:53] <jimmyww_> the scrolling thing is moving back and forth across the screen like normal
[04:54] <jimmyww_> still going
[04:54] <jimmyww_> still going
[04:55] <jimmyww_> blank screen now
[04:55] <jimmyww_> with flashing _
[04:55] <keb> give it a few minutes
[04:56] <jimmyww_> and now [ 144.652000] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0
[04:56] <keb> heh
[04:56] <jimmyww_> followed by the same thing
[04:57] <jimmyww_> with different numbers at the start
[04:57] <keb> let it repeat a while, maybe it will fail on floppy and continue
[04:57] <keb> eventually
[04:57] <jimmyww_> okay
[04:58] <jimmyww_> 8 times now
[04:58] <jimmyww_> and still going
[04:59] <jimmyww_> half a screens worth now
[05:02] <jimmyww_> front number is now [ 519.16000 ]
[05:02] <Warpnow> where can I get the md5 of the new xubuntu release?
[05:03] <jimmyww_> full screens worth now
[05:04] <adeluna> in the ftp servers MD5SUMS archive
[05:04] <R[a]ndom> Warpnow, in the md5 file on the downlo..
[05:04] <R[a]ndom> beat me to it
[05:04] <R[a]ndom> :P
[05:04] <adeluna> where you download the iso
[05:04] <keb> jimmyww_ is it trying to read the cd while that message is displayed?
[05:05] <jimmyww_> keb, now i get BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu7) built in shell (ash)
[05:05] <jimmyww_> enter "help for a list of built in commands.
[05:06] <keb> ok that may be useful
[05:06] <jimmyww_> (initramfs) _
[05:06] <jimmyww_> no the cd is not being read
[05:07] <jimmyww_> and thats all
[05:07] <jimmyww_> i can type if i want too
[05:07] <jimmyww_> *to
[05:08] <keb> see what is avialable if you type help
[05:08] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:08] <keb> but don't post it all here ;)
[05:08] <Warpnow> wow, I'm so glad the md5sums match. Must have just been a bad burn. I've been trying to download Xubuntu for 2 frickin days. Problems ranging from browsers freezing on live OSs to my power going out to the live OS itself freezing keep getting in my way.
[05:08] <jimmyww_> there is lots of words
[05:09] <jimmyww_> some are - continue, loadmap, cp, sleep etc
[05:11] <keb> try typing this: cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:11] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:11] <jimmyww_> is there a space in between cat and the /
[05:11] <jimmyww_> ?
[05:11] <keb> always
[05:12] <jimmyww_> wow
[05:12] <jimmyww_> lots came up
[05:12] <keb> anything interesting?
[05:12] <jimmyww_> # device instead
[05:13] <jimmyww_> # evebug is a debug tool that should be loaded explicity
[05:14] <keb> ok don't type it all out here lol
[05:14] <jimmyww_> one bit says ubuntu bug #2011, #6810
[05:14] <keb> now we need help from someone who knows how to continue booting from a busybox prompt
[05:14] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:14] <keb> yeah the file lists devices that shouldnt be initialized due to various bugs
[05:16] <jimmyww_> so ehat now
[05:16] <jimmyww_> *what
[05:18] <keb> i'm thinking lol
[05:18] <jimmyww_> okay thx
[05:19] <jimmyww_> someone said this to me "jimmyww_ mount the root fs on /root and exit"
[05:19] <jimmyww_> in the kubuntu irc
[05:19] <keb> ask them how to do that from the initramfs prompt
[05:20] <jimmyww_> then this
[05:20] <jimmyww_> jimmyww_ the reason it didn't mount automaticly is what you'll have to determine.  probably didn't load the right module for the disk  or possably the /dev/root device node is incorrect.
[05:21] <intelikey> ok.
[05:21] <jimmyww_> thx
[05:22] <jimmyww_> keb, this is the guy that explained the busybox thing
[05:22] <keb> hi
[05:23] <intelikey> jimmyww_ what fs is your root ?
[05:23] <intelikey> and what disk/partition address ?
[05:23] <jimmyww_> i dont know
[05:23] <jimmyww_> exactly
[05:23] <jimmyww_> keb, can you explain
[05:23] <keb> intelikey it is a live cd
[05:23] <jimmyww_> i got "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[05:23] <intelikey> keh  the live CD is hanging in the initramfs ???
[05:23] <jimmyww_> repeating
[05:24] <keb> yep
[05:24] <jimmyww_> then the intramfs
[05:24] <intelikey> ah ok. jimmyww_ sounds like a bad burn to me.
[05:24] <keb> that would be 2 in a row
[05:24] <jimmyww_> im on a mac now
[05:25] <jimmyww_> i will try a 3rd burn
[05:25] <jimmyww_> as we speak
[05:25] <intelikey> jimmyww_ md5 your iso before you burn it.
[05:25] <jimmyww_> what does that mean
[05:25] <intelikey> ;/
[05:25] <keb> that means get a utility to check the md5sum of the iso file
[05:26] <jimmyww_> i new to linux
[05:26] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:26] <keb> your mac can do it too
[05:26] <jimmyww_> i ll try
[05:26] <jimmyww_> do you mean verify disk?
[05:27] <keb> no because that happens after the disk is burned
[05:27] <intelikey> i mean verify the disk image before you burn it.
[05:27] <keb> you need to do it on the file that you are about to burn
[05:27] <jimmyww_> i open disk utlitiy
[05:27] <jimmyww_> then
[05:28] <jimmyww_> i opened the iso
[05:28] <jimmyww_> and clicked verify
[05:28] <jimmyww_> ?
[05:28] <keb> not sure what that does
[05:29] <keb> what you want is a utility that will calculate an md5 sum of  the .iso file
[05:29] <keb> then you can compare that to the published md5 sum
[05:29] <jimmyww_> and got unable to verify ubuntu...iso, this image has no checksum to verify
[05:29] <intelikey> !md5
[05:29] <ubotu> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[05:30] <keb> so you know if it downloaded correctly
[05:30] <jimmyww_> okay i found the md5.txt file when i mounted the image on my mac
[05:31] <jimmyww_> is this what im looking for
[05:32] <jimmyww_> ?
[05:32] <jimmyww_> i have a file called md5.txt
[05:32] <jimmyww_> sorry
[05:33] <jimmyww_> md5sum.txt
[05:33] <keb> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-newbie/Week-of-Mon-20040510/005632.html
[05:34] <jimmyww_> perfect instructions
[05:36] <jimmyww_> this is what i got-  checksum of "disk3" completed. CRC32 $8AAD108F
[05:36] <keb> heh. crc32 is not useful for a file that size
[05:36] <keb> we want md5sum
[05:36] <jimmyww_> um
[05:37] <jimmyww_> there is a file in the iso md5sum.txt
[05:37] <keb> yes that might be what the md5sum should be, but you ahve to calculate the actual one on the iso file
[05:38] <jimmyww_> um i dont understand
[05:39] <jimmyww_> im sorry
[05:40] <keb> we want to check if the iso you downloaded is without errors
[05:40] <jimmyww_> im sorry but i dont know how
[05:40] <keb> to do that, we run it through an md5 calculator program
[05:41] <keb> i don't know what that program is called on a mac
[05:41] <jimmyww_> terminal?
[05:41] <jimmyww_> do i use terminal
[05:41] <keb> probably
[05:42] <jimmyww_> i got MD5 (/Volumes/Xubuntu 7.10 i38/md5sum.txt) = 96ca42a396678f3368a7d3750b7b1348
[05:43] <keb> do you have a terminal open?
[05:43] <jimmyww_> yeah
[05:45] <keb> try typing "md5 Xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso" or whatever the iso file is called
[05:45] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:45] <jimmyww_> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20609
[05:46] <intelikey> ok, jimmyww_ i know nothing about mac's and not much more about the casper image that uvuntu uses on it's live CD's    so if you have questions about the initramfs or basic linux systems.  i'll be glad to answer what i can...  until then i hope these fellows are all the help you need.   luck with it.
[05:46] <jimmyww_> that did work so im going to try this program
[05:46] <keb> ok jimmyww_
[05:47] <keb> maybe it will do it mac-style with mice and stuff
[05:49] <jimmyww_> i not  a fan of the mouse, my favourite program for mac quicksilver quicksilver.blacktree.com is keyboard based
[05:49] <jimmyww_> that is the best part of mac
[05:50] <jimmyww_> this program is still running
[05:50] <jimmyww_> taking a long time
[05:50] <keb> it will take a wihle
[05:50] <keb> it is a big file
[05:51] <jimmyww_> okay
[05:53] <jimmyww_> still going
[05:54] <keb> so you pointed the checksum+ program at the iso file and told it to do an md5 ?
[05:54] <jimmyww_> yeah
[05:54] <jimmyww_> it looks like its working
[05:55] <keb> cool
[05:55] <jimmyww_> but slow
[05:58] <jimmyww_> brb battery is going flat so will swap to power
[05:59] <keb> you don't have to leave irc to plug in the comp
[06:00] <jimmyww_> yes
[06:00] <jimmyww_> your right
[06:02] <keb> i've seen some people who thought they had to shut down to plug it in
[06:03] <jimmyww_> lol
[06:03] <jimmyww_> i had to move though
[06:04] <jimmyww_> so i thought i might loss my internet connection
[06:04] <jimmyww_> it is still loading
[06:05] <jimmyww_> would u think it would take this long
[06:06] <keb> not usually
[06:06] <jimmyww_> i  might try something else
[06:06] <keb> is it loading the iso from the cd or from hard disk?
[06:07] <jimmyww_> hard drive
[06:07] <keb> ok
[06:08] <jimmyww_> hhhow do i do this on winblows
[06:08] <keb> you also have to download some software
[06:09] <keb> the instructions were in the url above
[06:09] <jimmyww_> okay
[06:12] <keb> got to hit the hay. nite
[06:12] <jimmyww_> cya
[06:12] <jimmyww_> thx for help
[06:12] <keb> leaving my system doing an upgrade to 7.10 overnight hehe
[06:13] <jimmyww_> okay
[06:13] <keb> np
[06:13] <keb> good luck
[06:14] <jimmyww_> okay cay
[06:14] <jimmyww_> *cya
[07:27] <lewis1711> this is a really noob question but I can't find anything about it on the internet;
[07:27] <lewis1711> how does copying, pasting and deleting work in Xubuntu? I can't seem to do it half the time
[07:45] <Warpnow> Hey, could someone help me. I used the alternate install cd and it doesn't seem to have setup my video drivers right. Screen goes blank after boot. The live CD worked when I tried it, but only in safe graphics mode. Is there a way I can do something like safe graphics mode permanently?
[07:46] <lewis1711> Warpnow, are you able to download in safe graphics mode? you may need to install a driver for your graphics card
[07:47] <Warpnow> right now I'm running a live version of DSL because I can't get into the xubuntu install at all
[07:48] <Warpnow> the monitor stops detecting a signal after the bios goes by
[07:49] <Warpnow> what I'm wondering is if there is a command I can put in at boot to force it to do safe graphics mode, because that works on the live cd
[07:59] <LastMall> I thought it should go into failsafe graphics mode automatically
[08:17] <rredd4> I have a dell c810, 1.3Ghz, 512M ram, nvidia geforce2 vid card.  should I be using xubuntu or is ubuntu ok for my laptop?
[08:17] <rredd4> I couldn't find xubuntu minimum specs
[08:22] <rijo> im trying to get my wlan with wpa-psk working, but when I try to connect via network-manager-gnome, it says my device doesnt support this type of connection. Does this mean I have to find another driver for my wlan usb stick?
[08:35] <LastMall> rijo  the usb wifi device doesn't work at all ?
[08:38] <rijo> LastMall: it detects the device and its trying to connect to the wifi lan, since it find the essid. so somemewhat it does work, but then when it trying to authenticate the connection it  says its not supported
[08:39] <LastMall> you sure the hardware supports wpa ?
[08:45] <rijo> LastMall: yes.. works fine in windows hehe
[08:47] <LastMall> does it work without encryption ?  on an open wifi connection ?
[08:48] <LastMall> i'd think if its being detected as what it is, the driver/module is correct.
[08:48] <rijo> LastMall: i cannot test a open network since the only wifi i have around here is wpa unfortiantly
[08:49] <LastMall> especially if its listed correctly in all that stuff in dmesg
[08:49] <rijo> LastMall: ye, it is the correct driver idd
[08:52] <rijo> LastMall: i found a open network to trying to connect to. but that doesnt seem to work either
[08:53] <rijo> LastMall: no error msg this time tho, just timed out
[08:53] <LastMall> open network limiting connections by mac maybe
[08:54] <rijo> LastMall: works from windows again hehe
[08:55] <LastMall> should be just a config error somewhere
[08:58] <LastMall> i'd probably have trouble getting it to work outside of the kde tools i use
[08:59] <rijo> LastMall: which tools is that
[09:02] <LastMall> think its just called knetwork or knetworkconf or knetwork manager is where I start, and then I use kwifi manager thereafter.
[09:02] <rijo> i was thinking of maybe upgrading to gutsy and see if it just solves itself
[09:03] <LastMall> but i can get atheros and broadcom both running now pretty quick
[09:04] <LastMall> the servers are way overloaded
[09:53] <looping_> Hello all
[10:09] <machaddock> I'm trying to make a launcher icon of pidgin on my top bar. Where do I find the pidgin application?
[10:12] <machaddock> come on people is there no one listening to this channel?
[10:16] <machaddock> wow this channel sucks
[10:16] <machaddock> sorry but the ubuntu one is waaaaaay livelier :D
[11:27] <Ben_Cs> hello
[11:28] <Ben_Cs> when is xubuntu going to have automated samba shares viewing built in? cause today i have to do it manually (kubuntu and ubuntu have it aoutomated)
[12:18] <mikubuntu> i always forget how to install tar.gz files, just downloaded firefox 2008, can someone remind me how to install it?
[12:19] <mikubuntu> it's on the desktop
[12:20] <rijo> cool, once i upgraded to gibbon my wireless network worked by default
[12:29] <keoni> is there a way to debootstrap from gutsy cd?
[12:29] <keoni> if so where to i point debootstrap to on the cd
[13:45] <Ben_Cs> hello
[13:56] <nikolam> Hello
[13:57] <wbadger> hi
[13:57] <nikolam> My system have trouble booting when I reformat any partition on hd
[13:58] <nikolam> It is making me painfull to test other versions of xubunut
[13:58] <wbadger> what does it say?
[13:58] <nikolam> do I reely need to repair uuid`s every time i reformat any partition?
[13:58] <nikolam> sudo update-initramfs -u
[13:58] <nikolam> sorry
[13:58] <nikolam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingUUID
[13:59] <nikolam> And what`s the use with that uuid hassle anyway??
[13:59] <wbadger> I don't know, but you don't have to use it (in fstab at least)
[13:59] <wbadger> you can use hda1 / sda1 and so on
[13:59] <nikolam> But it is there by default
[13:59] <wbadger> I thought that stuff should be autodetected though
[14:00] <nikolam> I finally gave up and changed line in fstab for swap beacouse every time i reinstall test version on other partition, tre primary one wont boot
[14:00] <nikolam> i reely don`t know who`s idea was to use uuid anyway..
[14:01] <nikolam> i have one more question:
[14:01] <nikolam> i found a bug in 7.10 but I know more about it
[14:02] <nikolam> When I install fglrx ati driver, Open office wont run and complains about some java thing
[14:02] <nikolam> Should i post a bug about open office, fglrx driver or java?
[14:02] <wbadger> do other java programs work?
[14:04] <nikolam> I dont know. Ooo complains about missing JRE when fglrx is working, but Ooo works fine without that java thing with Vesa
[14:04] <wbadger> what's vesa?
[14:04] <nikolam> Vesa graphics driver
[14:04] <nikolam> default upon install
[14:04] <wbadger> ok
[14:04] <nikolam> But vesa is pain in the eyes with 60hz refresh..
[14:05] <wbadger> are you sure it happens only when you activate fglrx? I don't see how they are related..
[14:05] <nikolam> yes.
[14:05] <nikolam> I reconfigured X and activated vesa. And then restarted X and Ooo works.
[14:05] <nikolam> fglrx - > Ooo stops
[14:06] <wbadger> ok first check if it affects other java programs
[14:06] <nikolam> Ok I will
[14:06] <nikolam> What java program should i try
[14:06] <wbadger> if it doesn't then I guess you should file it under OOo
[14:07] <wbadger> I don't know.. I guess any program would do
[14:07] <nikolam> i filed it during testing period with 7.10 but didnt realised it is fglrx related.. :,,
[14:08] <nikolam> Do you know some java program?
[14:08] <nikolam> How about azureus, I think it is based on java
[14:08] <wbadger> yes it is
[14:08] <nikolam> Ok i will run 7.10>test java>post/change Ooo bug
[14:09] <nikolam> Thanks
[14:09] <wbadger> np
[14:11] <mindframe-> any release notes yet?
[14:11] <mindframe-> changes
[14:12] <wbadger> mindframe, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Xubuntu
[15:04] <ICXCNIKA> I just burned the Gutsy Xubuntu .iso to a disk, and attempted to boot from cd. And for some odd reason it won't boot.
[15:05] <vinze> Did you burn it as an iso image?
[15:06] <ICXCNIKA> I believe so.
[15:06] <vinze> And does your computer at least *try* to boot from CD?
[15:07] <ICXCNIKA> Yes.
[15:07] <vinze> Is there an error message?
[15:07] <ICXCNIKA> No.
[15:07] <vinze> So what does it do?
[15:07] <ICXCNIKA> I know that it is attempting to boot because there is a cursor blinking in the upper left-hand corner.
[15:08] <vinze> And it just hangs there? You have to hold the power button or something?
[15:08] <ICXCNIKA> No. It stays there for about ten seconds, and then starts loading Windows.
[15:09] <vinze> Hmm... That's odd... Not sure what the problem is :(
[15:09] <ICXCNIKA> Well I think I found it.
[15:09] <vinze> O, cool
[15:09] <ICXCNIKA> I just clicked on properties on the cd, and it saved it as an Easy CD Creator Image File.
[15:10] <ICXCNIKA> I guess it didn't save it as an ISO.
[15:11] <ICXCNIKA> Well let me try downloading it to my other laptop. I think my wife's laptop can't burn .isos with her cd creator.
[15:36] <vinze> Hey, a classmate gave me his broken USB drive that he could no longer read and write to on Windows... When I connect it, Xubuntu doens't recognize it, however, it is listed using lsusb. Does anyone know how to format it?
[15:41] <neozen> why is totem in xubuntu now?
[15:41] <neozen> makes me want to hit things with a bat
[15:41] <vinze> Because Gxine sucked
[15:41] <neozen> mplayer
[15:41] <neozen> its small.. its fast
[15:41] <neozen> it can work w/ everything
[15:41] <TheSheep> neozen: mplayer cannot be distributed freely in USA and Japan
[15:41] <vinze> And it includes legal issues
[15:41] <neozen> ahhhhh
[15:41] <neozen> yes... there is that
[15:41] <vinze> Same with VLC
[15:42] <TheSheep> silly lawyers
[15:42] <neozen> if I remove totem will it at least remove all its dependencies?
[15:42] <vinze> Silly clients of lawyers
[15:43] <vinze> neozen, I believe Totem didn't pull in any additional dependencies
[15:43] <neozen> really?
[15:43]  * neozen dances
[15:43] <neozen> so gxine is no longer included?
[15:43] <vinze> Well, not in addition to those already pulled in by other new applications :P
[15:43] <vinze> Nope, Gxine is out :)
[15:43] <TheSheep> this is becoming a religion
[15:43] <neozen> no... emacs vs vim is a theological issue...
[15:43] <neozen> this is just a mess
[15:44]  * neozen grins
[15:44] <vinze> Hehe
[15:58] <Mark76> Ooh people
[15:59] <vinze> Hey Mark76
[16:01] <neozen> damn you broadwing
[16:02] <Mark76> Hey Vinze
[16:02] <Mark76> Is it possible to get 3D effects working on Xubuntu?
[16:02] <vinze> Yeah
[16:03] <Mark76> Care to talk me through it?
[16:03] <vinze> There was a tutorial somewhere, I'll look it up
[16:03] <Mark76> K
[16:03] <Mark76> Thanks
[16:05] <vinze> Mark76, http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-Feisty---tutorial-for-advanced-andor-KDE-as-well-as-Xfce-users
[16:05] <vinze> Which version do you use?
[16:06] <Mark76> 7.10
[16:06] <vinze> Then you can replace "feisty" with "gutsy" in the repository line, it also has a repo for Gutsy
[16:06] <Mark76> Okay
[16:07] <vinze> So instead of sudo su -c 'echo deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main >> /etc/apt/sources.list' you'd do:
[16:07] <vinze> sudo su -c 'echo deb http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu gutsy main >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[16:07] <vinze> I believe that ought to work
[16:07] <Mark76> I can't log into my Cybernations account from Firefox :-?
[16:07] <Mark76> Good job I have other browsers
[16:10] <Mark76> What version are you using Vinze?
[16:10] <vinze> Mark76, Feisty *ashamed*
[16:10] <vinze> :P
[16:10] <Mark76> No worries
[16:10] <vinze> Also, I haven't actually tested that tutorial myself
[16:11] <Mark76> I'm sure you'll get round to upgrading soon enough
[16:11] <vinze> Yeah, you're probably right, it's holiday now
[16:11] <vinze> However, I want to make a blog post on making a backup so I'm waiting for that :P
[16:11] <Mark76> The Ubuntu servers have been pretty busy
[16:11] <Mark76> So I wouldn't bother just yet
[16:11] <Mark76> Unless you know how to BT
[16:12]  * vinze has been seeding all day :)
[16:12] <Mark76> :)
[16:12] <Mark76> I can't figure that out
[16:12] <vinze> It's simple, really
[16:12] <vinze> I also want to do a post on that :P
[16:13] <Mark76> I don't really need to download Gutsy, since I've been running it for over a month now.
[16:13] <vinze> Yeah, I've already used it from my USB drive
[16:13] <vinze> And loving it :)
[16:14] <Mark76> It is rather splendid, eh
[16:14] <vinze> Yeah
[16:14] <Mark76> We've come along way since Windy Weasel
[16:14] <Mark76> Sorry, I mean Breezy Badger
[16:15] <vinze> :P
[16:15] <vinze> Well, the first official release was Dapper
[16:15] <Mark76> We should lobby to get Windy Weasel made the official codename for version erm ... Whichever
[16:16] <vinze> There's a whole wiki page with suggested code names
[16:16] <Mark76> I need to see that
[16:17]  * vinze looks it up
[16:18] <Mark76> Ta
[16:18] <vinze> Mark76, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[16:20] <Mark76> Yay!  Windy and Weasel are, indeed, two of the options :D
[16:20] <vinze> :)
[16:21] <NullName> oh wow 7.10 is amazing
[16:21]  * NullName creams his pants
[16:21] <vinze> :)
[16:21] <NullName> omg omg double monitors
[16:21] <NullName> and it's doesn't require 3 days of configuring
[16:21] <Mark76> I'm trying to get 3DE working
[16:22] <NullName> what is 3dr?
[16:22] <Mark76> LOrd, I can remember the Breezy Badger days
[16:22] <NullName> *e
[16:22] <Mark76> Talk about hassle
[16:22] <vinze> :)
[16:22] <NullName> hehe I remember the slackware 5 days
[16:22] <Mark76> 3D
[16:22] <NullName> wait I think it was slackware 4 actually
[16:22] <NullName> not 5
[16:23] <NullName> because they skipped 3 I think
[16:23] <Mark76> Command line acrobatics aren't my cup of tea
[16:24] <Mark76> ISn't icon box a great idea
[16:24] <Mark76> Saves so much space
[16:24] <Pixilarion> Should I choose the mplayer of VLC firefox plugin? OR maybe somehting else?
[16:25] <Pixilarion> in my experience the vlc plugin doesn't work that well...
[16:25] <vinze> Mark76, I don't like it, too hard to click :P
[16:25] <NullName> good question Pixilarion . I need to configure video as well
[16:25] <vinze> Pixilarion, I've had my problems with the Mplayer one, it all depends
[16:25] <Mark76> Hard to click?
[16:25] <vinze> I guess you could just try them
[16:25] <vinze> Mark76, too small ;-)
[16:25] <Pixilarion> ok, I'll just give it a go then :)
[16:25] <vinze> Plus, I like reading hte titles :)
[16:25] <Mark76> What size are your icons?
[16:26] <TheSheep> vinze: your panels are too small
[16:26] <NullName> I wonder what ubuntuguide recommends on 7.10 on how to get codecs and restricted stuff
[16:26] <vinze> TheSheep, I don't like my panels that big ;-)
[16:26] <NullName> does it still use mediaubuntu?
[16:26] <lcafiero> question (dumb maybe): My update manager in Xubuntu 7.04 says I'm downloading Ubuntu 7.10, but I'd prefer Xubuntu 7.10. Am I getting Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[16:26] <vinze> NullName, thanks, you reminded me of updating xubuntuguide.org
[16:26] <TheSheep> lcafiero: same difference, they only differ in what's installed by default
[16:27] <NullName> ooops
[16:27] <NullName> had to reboot piudgin there
[16:27] <NullName> did anyone answer my question when I was gone?
[16:27] <lcafiero> Ah. So the update button will update with Xubuntu?
 NullName, thanks, you reminded me of updating xubuntuguide.org
[16:27] <TheSheep> lcafiero: as long as you have xubuntu-desktop and not ubuntu-desktop installed, yes
[16:27] <NullName> hehe no problem
[16:28] <lcafiero> Thank you very much.
[16:28] <lcafiero> On to the update . . . .
[16:28] <NullName> you just helped me realize that there is an xubuntu guide...I just thought it was ubuntuguide...
[16:28] <NullName> that's sweet
[16:28] <Pixilarion> NullName: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:28] <Pixilarion> that should get you going under Gutsy
[16:28] <vinze> NullName, it's not that expansive...
[16:28] <vinze> More contributors would be great :)
[16:29] <Mark76> Gobuntu's run into a spot of controversy
[16:29] <vinze> But the wiki software sucks...
[16:29] <vinze> Mark76, how?
[16:29] <Mark76> Ye olde Firefox problem
[16:29] <Mark76> YOu can have the software but not the name
[16:30] <vinze> Don't they use iceweasel?
[16:30] <NullName> bah it's taking me to the 7.04 page
[16:30] <NullName> anyone have the link for 7.10? xubuntu.org that is
[16:30] <Mark76> Ice weasel?  It's still Firefox on mine. Vinze
[16:31] <Mark76> There's iceape, but that's a Mozilla clone
[16:31] <Mark76> Seamonkey
[16:31] <NullName> oh that sucks it looks like the 7.10 xubuntu guide isn't up./
[16:31] <mikubuntu> i think you just go to xubuntu.org and look for 'get xubuntu' nullname
[16:32] <vinze> Mark76, but Iceweasel is Gnu's (or was it FSF?) "free" version
[16:32] <vinze> NullName, report it as a bug on Launchpad
[16:32] <mikubuntu> anybody know the developer channel for xubuntu?
[16:32] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: none
[16:32] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: there is a mailing list though
[16:33] <vinze> mikubuntu, xubuntu-devel
[16:33] <Mark76> What do you think of a version of Ubuntu for lawyers called Subuntu?
[16:33] <mikubuntu> thesheep, are there developers here then?
[16:33] <NullName> hehehehe Mark76
[16:33] <vinze> Mark76, that would be confused with a version that would allow the use of "su" :P
[16:33] <TheSheep> mikubuntu: don't think so
[16:33] <vinze> Mark76, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_forks
[16:33] <mikubuntu> why not call it sharkbuntu, mark
[16:33] <Mark76> Good idea
[16:34] <Mark76> There should be a mobile devices version called Mobuntu
[16:34] <mikubuntu> you know why they bury lawyers 12 feet under, right?  because deep down, they're really good people.
[16:34] <Mark76> Heh
[16:35] <mikubuntu> vinze, tried that; nobody home there
[16:35] <TheSheep> and a french version called vous brioche trop
[16:35] <NullName> hey you guys....I can't go on ubuntuguide.org either....only for old versions
[16:35] <NullName> this blows!
[16:35] <vinze> mikubuntu, I'm in #xubuntu-devel richt now...
[16:35] <Mark76> You're in a lift with Steve Balmer.  You have a gun with two bullets in.  What do you do?
[16:35] <vinze> *right
[16:36] <TheSheep> !ot
[16:36] <mikubuntu> ??? i go look again
[16:36] <NullName> I go to http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Gutsy and it has no text
[16:36]  * NullName starts crying
[16:36] <Mark76> Lift = elevator
[16:36] <TheSheep> NullName: maybe it's an invitation for you to write it?
[16:37] <vinze> Mark76, both through his balls! :P
[16:37] <Mark76> No no no, Vinze
[16:37]  * NullName starts up konqueror to see if that wiilll work
[16:37] <Mark76> You can't kill the undead with bullets
[16:37] <vinze> No killing, just making sure he can't reproduce ;P
[16:37] <NullName> TheSheep: hahahahah good one.
[16:39] <NullName> okay so I installed pidgin-encrytion ....and I rebooted pidgin...don't see any options anywhere
[16:40] <NullName> nevermind....it finally showed up on my plugins..
[16:42] <NullName> stupid pidgin crashed when making a new key
[16:44] <Mark76> Key?
[16:44] <Mark76> Oh right
[16:44] <Pixilarion> NullName: crashedlanded you mean? :p
[16:45] <NullName> hehe
[16:45] <NullName> soo what's this new arromguard thingy or whatever its called?  How do I configure it?
[16:45] <NullName> *arrmor?
[16:45] <vinze> apparmor?
[16:45] <vinze> See the Ubuntu wiki
[16:47] <NullName> yea sorry
[16:47] <NullName> hahaha I can't see the wiki
[16:47] <NullName> for some damn reason
[16:47] <NullName> I can only see the 7.04 wiki
[16:47] <NullName> unless you have a different link for me...do you have a link?
[16:47] <vinze> Huh? There is one wiki, not bound to versions...
[16:47] <vinze> I'll look it up
[16:47] <NullName> thanks
[16:47] <scriptdevil> hmmm. why doesnt update manager show me New Release available?
[16:48] <NullName> I've had that problem scriptdevil
[16:48] <NullName> what I did....
[16:48] <vinze> scriptdevil, have you tried the "Check" button?
[16:48] <scriptdevil> i did
[16:48] <vinze> NullName, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[16:48] <NullName> was I went to the terminal and typed....(;et me find it)
[16:48] <NullName> thanks vinze!
[16:48] <scriptdevil> it just shows me about 130mb of updates.. no upgrades
[16:48] <scriptdevil> vinze: has it been propogated to all mirrors?
[16:49] <vinze> scriptdevil, that might be the problem... I couldn't find Xubuntu iso's on the Dutch mirros yesterday
[16:49] <mikubuntu> vinze, nobody very talkative over at xubuntu-devel
[16:49] <vinze> But I believe the mirrors were there
[16:49] <vinze> mikubuntu, yeah... But I think it's also not meant as support channel
[16:49] <vinze> I did notice however that Gutsy detected a higher screen resolution for me
[16:50] <vinze> Because it can now fall back to other resolutions
[16:50] <NullName> hmm vinze I don't think the command will work...its for upgrading from 610 ro 7.04
[16:50] <scriptdevil> vinze: i am using the korean i suppose...
[16:50] <mikubuntu> vinze, i know, i was making a suggestion that they look at the screen testing utility that 'puppy' uses to set up screen/display prefs
[16:50] <vinze> NullName, what command?
[16:51] <Pixilarion> cool! Rhythmbox has a crossfade option :)
[16:51] <mikubuntu> so tired of not being able to get my screenres to 1024 ... arrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh
[16:51] <Pixilarion> in gutsy that is
[16:51] <scriptdevil> well.. is it "ok" if i switch to the main server?
[16:51] <scriptdevil> am planning to become a tester real soon
[16:51] <vinze> scriptdevil, yeah, I guess so
[16:52] <scriptdevil> ok..  switched to the NZ server.. let me see if it works.. if it doesnt, i will switch to the main.. dont wanna hurt the poor old main server
[16:52] <NullName> vinze I couldn't find it easily...let me look some more...I think its "sudo update-manager -C"
[16:52] <NullName> but let me find it
[16:52] <vinze> NullName, and where did you get that command from?
[16:53] <scriptdevil> mikubuntu: why not?
[16:53] <scriptdevil> did u try ztrl alt +
[16:53] <scriptdevil> *ctrl
[16:53] <NullName> gksu “update-manager -c ”
[16:53] <NullName> that's it
[16:53] <NullName> that worked for me
[16:53] <NullName> its from http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/03/upgrade-ubuntu-610-edgy-eft-to-ubuntu.html
[16:53] <vinze> Oh you mean for upgrading
[16:53] <NullName> yea
[16:54] <NullName> that's not what you were doing?
[16:54] <vinze> It wasn't my problem ;)
[16:54] <vinze> But the -c is not needed anymore
[16:54] <larsen_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu is incorrect
[16:54] <NullName> oh oops
[16:54] <larsen_> ops
[16:54] <vinze> So it just runs Applications->System->Update Manager
[16:54] <larsen_> hi all :)
[16:54] <vinze> Hi :)
[16:54] <NullName> sorry vinze I was meaning to talk to scriptdevil
[16:54] <NullName> haha
[16:54] <vinze> NullName, yeah I figured :P
[16:55] <scriptdevil> hmmm.. i have this biiiiiiiig problem with xterm.. alt + 1 prints ± alt + 2 prints ² .. i am not able to switch between windows in irssi
[16:56] <scriptdevil> NullName: i knew it.. but it looks like not all mirrors mirror simultaneously
[16:57] <Mark76> I followed the instructions in that guide as far as I could Vinze
[16:57] <Pixilarion> as could be expected: otherwise the main server would get overloaded I guess
[16:57] <zuargo> hi
[16:57] <NullName> hi
[16:57] <Pixilarion> hi
[16:58] <vinze> Hi
[16:58] <scriptdevil> Pixilarion: i wish they mirror it before announcing it
[16:58] <NullName> sorry scriptdevil don't know how to help
[16:58] <zuargo> help me plis
[16:58] <scriptdevil> sure thing.. zuargo .. go ahead
[16:58] <Pixilarion> scriptdevil: can't you switch windows in irssi with ctrl+p-n
[16:59] <zuargo> first i from chile southamerica... my english is not fine sorry
[16:59] <Pixilarion> we'll try to understand :)
[16:59] <scriptdevil> Pixilarion: that i can.. but it is quicker if you know the channel number
[16:59] <zuargo> thanks xD
[16:59] <scriptdevil> :)
[16:59] <scriptdevil> i like it down here... a lot warmer
[16:59] <Pixilarion> scriptdevil: and ctrl-a or something?
[16:59] <scriptdevil> ctrl P
[17:00] <scriptdevil> i can do that..
[17:00] <Pixilarion> scriptdevil: well, I'm not using irssi so can't actually help you; i'm using dircproxy + xchat
[17:00] <Pixilarion> scriptdevil: you can always switch to another term, like xfce4-terminal
[17:00] <scriptdevil> Pixilarion: never mind..
[17:01] <scriptdevil> Pixilarion: yeah. i can
[17:02] <Pixilarion> and wouldn't that solve your problem ;)
[17:02] <scriptdevil> Pixilarion: you know.. i am sentimentally attached to xterm and aterm
[17:02] <scriptdevil> :-|
[17:02] <Pixilarion> lol
[17:02] <scriptdevil> that is why i dont give up irssi for xchat
[17:03] <scriptdevil> i love the CLI
[17:03] <vinze> scriptdevil, I think you need to go see a shrink :P
[17:03] <Pixilarion> sure, I used irssi for years
[17:03] <zuargo> i download xubuntu 7.1 and give me a mistake when i try to install, the mistake is: (wait plase) xD
[17:03] <scriptdevil> keep calm zuargo
[17:04] <scriptdevil> vinze: it was when i used gentoo.. i was stuck to the CLI for about 4 days.. and i learnt to use a lot of jet-speed tools
[17:04] <NullName> shit I think they added too much crap with this version...it seems to be running signifigantly slower than 7.04 ....why did they change the system monitor and add the network thing and autoupdates?  IS it easy to remove all this?
[17:04] <scriptdevil> like rtorrent which i think is dormant now
[17:05] <scriptdevil> NullName: you can disable stuff you dont need
[17:05] <vinze> OK http://xubuntuguide.org/ is updated :)
[17:06] <zuargo> i at the moment i use ubuntu 6.1
[17:06] <zuargo> well the mistake is:
[17:07] <NullName> thanks vinze!! that's great news///scriptdevill how do you disable those type of services?
[17:08] <scriptdevil> well... System->services??
[17:08] <NullName> I'll check
[17:09] <NullName> I mainly just want to disable that stupid network thing at the top right
[17:09] <scriptdevil> and btw i feel NullName is a cool name
[17:09] <NullName> I'm not going to ever switch to crappy wireless
[17:09] <scriptdevil> well.. i dont have a 7.1 atm
[17:09] <NullName> thanks scriptdevil :-D
[17:09] <NullName> oh okay. I'll figure it out.
[17:09] <Pixilarion> NullName: just go to the autostarted applications
[17:10] <Pixilarion> it should be in your settings
[17:10] <NullName> hmm I don't see it in system/services
[17:10] <NullName> pixilarion where do I go to see the autostarted apps?
[17:11] <vinze> Settings->Autostarted Applications
[17:11] <Pixilarion> I was typing that first :)
[17:11] <NullName> heheh
[17:11] <NullName> thanks guys
[17:11] <Pixilarion> np
[17:11] <NullName> I need to look around more before I start asking questions .hehe
[17:12] <Pixilarion> well, it took me also 10 minutes to find that solution
[17:12] <NullName> I saved 10 minutes then.
[17:12] <Pixilarion> that Network Manager also annoyed me from the first minute :)
[17:12] <vinze> I love it :)
[17:12] <NullName> haha I know. It's so pointless
[17:12] <Pixilarion> if you are wired ok
[17:12] <Pixilarion> but wireless it can save you a lot of stress :)
[17:12] <scriptdevil> NullName: i wont say that...
[17:12] <vinze> But then again, I use wireless (wouldn't if I had the choice)
[17:12] <NullName> well yea...if I had xubuntu on a laptop
[17:13] <zuargo> the mistake is: The server of screens has been detained approximately 6 times in the last ones 90 mnutos. it is probable that slightly this failing. It is going to be waited 2 minutes before returning to try it again on the screen :0.
[17:13] <NullName> but I hate wireless
[17:13] <NullName> I'm afraid of airsnorters
[17:13] <vinze> NullName, or when you run it from USB on a lot of different computers :)
[17:14] <Pixilarion> zuargo: i'm sorry but I can't figure out what that is all about :-|
[17:14] <scriptdevil> zuargo: well.. i seriously lost you! can you paste the exact error message
[17:14] <Pixilarion> scriptdevil: guess it is in spanish so he got it form babelfish or something I guess :)
[17:15] <zuargo> mmmm... wait please
[17:15] <Pixilarion> omg
[17:15] <Pixilarion> this starts to remind me of a quote on bash...
[17:16] <vinze> OK I'm off bye
[17:16] <scriptdevil> goodbye
[17:16] <Pixilarion> vinze: bye :)
[17:17] <scriptdevil> well.. does anyone know how i can enable those funny quotes on sudo.. like "Try typing that again" or "Are you drunk?" if you type the wrong password
[17:19] <NullName> okay I'm going to add another video card....what do I need to do to be safe on this one....back up my config file?  anyone know the file name off hand? anything else I need to do?
[17:19] <scriptdevil> well.. /etc/x11/xorg.conf?
[17:20] <Mark76> Damn you Nvidia legacy drivers
[17:20] <NullName> that's it
[17:20] <scriptdevil> well.. NullName if it is an nvidia card, gimme the number, i will look up the list
[17:21] <Mark76> How can I get my lovely 1280 x 1050, or whatever it was, setting back?
[17:22] <scriptdevil> well.. it is easy. applications->settings->display-settings
[17:22] <NullName> okay thanks! I don't know what IZ currently have...but I'm adding a ...I can't see any numbers anywhere
[17:22] <scriptdevil> well.. an nvidia?
[17:22] <NullName> ati
[17:22] <scriptdevil> be careful then
[17:22] <NullName> wait I have another one
[17:22] <Mark76> That only gives me a maximum resolution of 800 x 600 Scriptdevil
[17:22] <NullName> ohh why be careful?
[17:23] <scriptdevil> because the drivers for ati sometimes dont work.. anyway.. the generic VESA will work
[17:23] <NullName> Mark76 that sounds like your video drivers aren't installed
[17:23] <scriptdevil> Mark76: which card?
[17:23] <scriptdevil> try restricted-drivers
[17:23] <Mark76> Nvidia Riva TNT2
[17:23] <NullName> I'll try the generic
[17:23] <NullName> it has no brand name
[17:23] <NullName> alright...I'll be back..hopefully
[17:24] <scriptdevil> sure you will  all the best
[17:24] <NullName> thanks
[17:24] <scriptdevil> Mark76: check if you have any driver available under restricted
[17:24] <Mark76> I have the Nividia GLX Legacy driver installed
[17:25] <scriptdevil> well.. then... err.. is the card powerful enough?
[17:25] <Mark76> No idea
[17:26] <scriptdevil> well.. ever got 1024 X 768 on it??
[17:26] <zuargo> Hi again :P here the error: the display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 seconds. It is lakely that something bad is going on. Waiting for 2 minutes before trying again on display :0.
[17:26] <Mark76> That's not an option, Scriptdevil
[17:26] <joeamined> hi
[17:26] <joeamined> is it possible to set log on and off system sounds in xubuntu ?
[17:26] <scriptdevil> Mark76: i mean, on any previous distro?
[17:27] <scriptdevil> joeamined: i was wondering about that too!
[17:27] <Pixilarion> sure joeamined
[17:27] <joeamined> scriptdevil ;)
[17:28] <joeamined> pixilarion, how please ?
[17:28] <scriptdevil> zuargo: probably your card is not supported
[17:28] <Pixilarion> let me see :)
[17:28] <Mark76> I can't remember
[17:28] <scriptdevil> zuargo: well.. does it come up to the login screen
[17:28] <Mark76> I need to log off and reboot
[17:28] <keb> who can summon ubotu ?
[17:28] <Mark76> See you later
[17:29] <Pixilarion> Settings>LoginWindow
[17:29] <scriptdevil> keb: none in xubuntu.. well.. ubotu is a #ubuntu bot
[17:29] <zuargo> That I can do scriptdevil?? :(
[17:29] <keb> oic
[17:29] <zuargo> to use windows?? :P
[17:29] <joeamined> thanks you Pixilarion :)
[17:30] <Pixilarion> joeamined: sorry
[17:30] <Pixilarion> guess thats for the loginwindow that is ready
[17:30] <scriptdevil> well.. zuargo did you get the login window?
[17:30] <scriptdevil> you can
[17:31] <scriptdevil> joeamined:  in accesibility
[17:31] <zuargo> how i do it?
[17:31] <scriptdevil> zuargo: when does this error come up?
[17:32] <scriptdevil> joeamined: loginwindowprefs->accessibilty tab->Sounds
[17:32] <zuargo> After choosing the option to install or to initiate xubuntu
[17:33] <joeamined> scriptdevil : yep i already found it, thanks
[17:33] <scriptdevil> :)
[17:33] <scriptdevil> zuargo: try start in safe graphics mode
[17:33] <zuargo> i try and nothing :(
[17:33] <scriptdevil> \
[17:34] <scriptdevil> zuargo: sad...
[17:34] <scriptdevil> i think your card is not supported
[17:37] <zuargo> but in ubuntu 6.1 i I do not have problems in the installation, why in the newest versions i have that problem??
[17:38] <scriptdevil> well.. *shrug*
[17:39] <scriptdevil> zuargo: sorry.. i do not know
[17:39] <Mark76> That seems to have sorted it out
[17:39] <scriptdevil> what?
[17:39] <Mark76> The resolution problem
[17:40] <Mark76> I made some changes in Settings > Screens and Graphics
[17:40] <zuargo> i try change the resolution and also nothing
[17:41] <PuppiesAtWork> Why is openssh-server not showing up in apt or synaptic for me?
[17:41] <PuppiesAtWork> do I have to enable some non-default repositories?
[17:42] <TheSheep> !info openssh-server
[17:42] <TheSheep> ubotu's dead?
[17:42] <scriptdevil> sudo aptitude search openssh-server
[17:42] <scriptdevil> TheSheep: ubotu is on #ubuntu
[17:42] <scriptdevil> this is #xubuntu
[17:43] <TheSheep> scriptdevil: why sudo? and we had ubotu here too, until recently
[17:46] <keb> "/invite ubotu" gives [12:45] * #xubuntu :You need to be a channel operator to do that
[17:47] <hyper___ch> huhu Pumpernickel
[17:47] <hyper___ch> huhu TheSheep
[17:49] <keb> yay
[17:49] <Mark76> Yay?
[17:49] <hyper___ch> wohoo
[17:50] <Mark76> Fandabadozee!
[17:55]  * scriptdevil begs "Make me an op"
[17:56] <d1n0> scriptdevil, can you help me :)
[17:56] <scriptdevil> will sure try..
[17:56] <d1n0> ive got alot of problems
[17:56] <d1n0> ehm not problems, difficulties :D
[17:56] <scriptdevil> yeah.. thats better
[17:56] <scriptdevil> ask em.. one at a time
[17:56] <scriptdevil> am no core2 duo
[17:57] <d1n0> keyboard... cant get keys to work, tried to edit xorg and in keyboard settings.. norwegian keys...
[17:57] <scriptdevil> settings->keyboard settings
[17:58] <d1n0> ive tried there
[17:58] <scriptdevil> well. no effect?
[17:58] <d1n0> yup
[17:59] <scriptdevil> did this keyboard work on any other os
[17:59] <d1n0> it has worked before
[17:59] <scriptdevil> like once my ctrl key did not work... i blamed linux for it.. then i plugging it into an XP box andfound keyboard was faulty
[17:59] <d1n0> after i installed compiz fusion i think
[18:00] <scriptdevil> well.. funny,... check your hardware again
[18:01] <scriptdevil> which keys?
[18:01] <d1n0> heh cant type them now ;p
[18:01] <d1n0> but when i choose keyboard settings and close and go back there it has marked "use xorg.conf settings"
[18:01] <scriptdevil> cant you express them?
[18:02] <scriptdevil> well.. thats strange
[18:03] <scriptdevil> yeah/. it chooses it and adds it to xorg.conf
[18:03] <d1n0> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"no"
[18:04] <d1n0> help?
[18:04] <d1n0> :P
[18:07] <d1n0> it doesnt add anything to xorg file btw
[18:08] <scriptdevil> well. look.. in the drob down box, your new option would be there.. though that is not active
[18:10] <d1n0> hmm
[18:11] <d1n0> can you help me extend desktop to the tv?
[18:12] <scriptdevil> no.. i cant do that
[18:12] <scriptdevil> i use a monior
[18:12] <scriptdevil> s/monior/monitor
[18:13] <joeamined> hi folks
[18:13] <joeamined> congratulations for xubuntu
[18:14] <joeamined> i'm using it for the first time and i really like it
[18:14] <joeamined> it's simplicity and efficiency
[18:14] <scriptdevil> :)
[18:14] <joeamined> i'd like to know, is there a search tool for files in xubuntu ?
[18:14] <hyper___ch> joeamined: it rules - we know ;)
[18:14] <hyper___ch> joeamined: there's always the command line ;)
[18:14] <scriptdevil> joeamined: well.. locate?
[18:15] <hyper___ch> joeamined: but can that gnome tool not be added also?
[18:15] <joeamined> yes they can
[18:15] <joeamined> i just wanted to know if there's a specific xubuntu tool
[18:15] <joeamined> but that's okay
[18:15] <hyper___ch> joeamined: catfish
[18:16] <hyper___ch> joeamined: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=214059&page=4
[18:16] <joeamined> that's exactly what i was looking for, thank you :)
[18:17] <hyper___ch> joeamined: haven't tried it myself
[18:17] <hyper___ch> joeamined: there's always an open terminal here ;)
[18:17] <joeamined> yep
[18:18] <joeamined> i prefer gui front end, it's easier to access the files
[18:18] <hyper___ch> I guess I can stop seeding now
[18:19] <hyper___ch> 265 GB shared since the Gutsy Relese
[18:20] <keb> nice
[18:20] <hyper___ch> it's spiking again at 1.8MB/s
[18:30] <joeamined> how can i change system menu please (like with alacarte in gnome) ?
[18:33] <keb> applications, settings, menu editor
[18:34] <keb> oooh this new Brasero thing is cool, it actually runs my cd burner at full speed
[18:34] <joeamined> the menu editor shows : inclusion : system without the details on the applications
[18:35] <TheSheep> joeamined: that's because it's automatically generated from your installed applications
[18:35] <joeamined> the sheep : can i modify it ? (even in a text editor) ?
[18:36] <hyper___ch>  so, going to install gutsy in vmware to see whether my feisty rtorrent howto is still applicable for gutsy :)
[18:36] <TheSheep> joeamined: it's assembled based on the files in /usr/share/applications
[18:36] <scriptdevil> sbcl is not available in my list.. but the repos say it is there
[18:37] <TheSheep> joeamined: but if you want to modify them, copy them to ~/.local/share/applications and edit there, otherwise your changes will be overwritten when you upgrade or reinstall the apps
[18:37] <scriptdevil> can anyone check up?
[18:37] <joeamined> ok thanks
[18:37] <scriptdevil> !sbcl
[18:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sbcl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:37] <scriptdevil> !install sbcl
[18:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install sbcl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:37] <TheSheep> scriptdevil: it's in the universe repository
[18:38] <scriptdevil> well. isnt universe automatically enabled?
[18:39] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: nope
[18:39] <scriptdevil> nope.. it isnt ther on mine
[18:39] <scriptdevil> how do i add it?
[18:39] <TheSheep> !repos
[18:39] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[18:39] <hyper___ch> !easysource
[18:39] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[18:40]  * hyper___ch likes source-o-matic
[18:41] <keb> vi /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[18:41] <hyper___ch> iiiesk, vi.....
[18:41] <scriptdevil> well.. it is enabled
[18:42] <scriptdevil> ..
[18:42] <scriptdevil> but it doesnt work
[18:42] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: did you update it after adding universe?
[18:42] <scriptdevil> well. i had enabled universe long back
[18:43] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: maybe you need also multiverse
[18:43] <scriptdevil> well. it is in universe
[18:43] <scriptdevil> but.. :o .i get an error on apt-get update
[18:44] <scriptdevil> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[18:44] <Pixilarion> Is there a way to prevent a package from being updated?
[18:44] <scriptdevil> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages                          Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[18:44] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: yes there is
[18:44] <Pixilarion> hyper___ch: care to tell me how? :)
[18:44] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: got gutsy?
[18:44] <Pixilarion> yep
[18:44] <scriptdevil> no
[18:44] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: dunno by heart... with aptitude you can set it somehow
[18:44] <scriptdevil> hyper___ch: i couldnt update
[18:44] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: man aptitude
[18:44] <Pixilarion> ok thanks
[18:44] <Pixilarion> i take a look there
[18:45] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: change archive to a local ubuntu server
[18:45] <scriptdevil> i dont get you
[18:45] <d1n0> Can anyone help me so I can extend my desktop to my TV? It's connected through S-video and works out of the box as a clone!
[18:46] <hyper___ch> !easysource | scriptdevil
[18:46] <ubotu> scriptdevil: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[18:46] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: use that to generate a local sources.list
[18:46] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: I mean a localized
[18:46] <scriptdevil> ok
[18:48] <scriptdevil> now what should i do?
[18:50] <hyper___ch> scriptdevil: change the archive to a localized repository
[18:50] <hyper___ch> hiho PriceChild
[18:51] <Pixilarion> hyper___ch: the command is "sudo aptitude forbid-version <package>"
[18:51] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: thx
[18:51] <Pixilarion> np
[18:51] <Pixilarion> just thought to let you know
[18:51] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: haven't used it myself... I just new it can be done
[18:52] <hyper___ch> new --> knew
[18:52] <Pixilarion> apt-get still complains a package is holded back
[18:52] <Pixilarion> but I  can live with that
[18:52] <hyper___ch> ;)
[18:52] <Pixilarion> for some reason Skype 1.3 works better than 1.4
[18:52] <Pixilarion> the souncquality that is
[18:52] <Pixilarion> *sound
[18:53] <hyper___ch> how can one fry a chocolate bar?
[18:53] <Pixilarion> come again? :)
[18:53] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: ?
 how can one fry a chocolate bar?
[18:54] <Pixilarion> why would you want to fry a chocolate bar?
[18:54] <Pixilarion> maybe melt it?
[18:54] <hyper___ch> Pixilarion: I just saw a report that the Scotish fry every thing... even chocolate bars
[18:54] <Pixilarion> lol
[18:54] <Pixilarion> I only know how to melt it "au bain marie"
[18:54] <silliness> ok have a brand new fresh install of xubuntu with an nvidia card and no restricted drivers installed yet
[18:55] <silliness> do I want compiz or beryl?
[18:55] <Pixilarion> congrats :)
[18:55] <hyper___ch> silliness: you want neither
[18:56] <silliness> I know but I need something on this box to keep the other users happy
[18:56] <hyper___ch> silliness: install gnome for them
[18:56] <NullName> okay so double monitors sucks my balls on xubuntu
[18:56] <hyper___ch> silliness: or kde
[18:56] <hyper___ch> silliness: or both
[18:56] <NullName> 3 cards and no successs....one seemed to work but it couldn't handle both at once
[18:57] <silliness> hyper___ch, is beryl bunk with xfce
[18:57] <Kilroo> What's wrong with dual monitors?
[18:57] <silliness> read lots of sites it works well hyper___ch
[18:57] <hyper___ch> silliness: xfce is nice, sleek, task orientated... gnome and kde is for play-kiddies ;)
[18:57] <NullName> if a card isn't detected with the "restricted drivers" and its not available as an option under "screens and graphics" how else could I install it/detect it????
[18:57] <hyper___ch> NullName: what cards?
[18:57] <NullName> ati and nvidia
[18:58] <NullName> old old old cards
[18:58] <silliness> hyper___ch, do I need xgl for compiz?
[18:58] <Kilroo> I'm greatly pleased with randr over MergedFB. SDL games only take one screen instead of forcing clone mode.
[18:58] <hyper___ch> NullName: what nvidia?
[18:58] <silliness> hyper___ch, or are you not up on them
[18:58] <hyper___ch> silliness: I had it once... used it for a few days... turned it off
[18:58] <NullName> I can't see it's in the computer hyper_ch....I have two cards installed...
[18:59] <TheSheep> NullName: lspci
[18:59] <Kilroo> Xfce does everything I would want Compiz/Beryl to do anyhow.
[18:59] <NullName> is it maybe because 7.10 only supports souble monitors with one card that has two outputs? I'm using two cards that have one output
[18:59] <Kilroo> Except that using Mesa it's slow as heck that way.
[18:59] <TheSheep> NullName: no, you just need to add both cards to your xorg.conf
[19:00] <NullName> omg so that was the problem???? I could use both cards but not at once
[19:00] <NullName> so I have to manually add it?
[19:00] <TheSheep> NullName: yes
[19:00] <NullName> TheSheep it says VIa technologies VT8366 Vt8233a
[19:00] <silliness> hyper___ch, do you know of "the best" site to explain how to do it? I have been looking at many and either they are not for 7.04 or they are before the beryl and compiz fork
[19:01] <TheSheep> NullName: the number just before it is the pci bus address
[19:01] <silliness> kde blows
[19:01] <Kilroo> hm...I think what I really need is a standalone panel with as many plugins for it as xfce-panel has...
[19:01] <NullName> do you guys know where a guide is to add the card manually?
[19:01] <hyper___ch> silliness: been a long time since I did it... can't help you anymore
[19:01] <NullName> I need the pci bus address for what?
[19:01] <TheSheep> NullName: to put it in yuor xorg.conf
[19:01] <silliness> hyper___ch, thanks anyway
[19:02] <TheSheep> NullName: Im sure there are detailed howtos in the forums
[19:02] <silliness> anyone else
[19:02] <NullName> thanks TheSheep...why in the hell didn't they make it easy and just allow you to do it from the GUI?
[19:03] <TheSheep> NullName: because people who want to do it are comfortable with text files
[19:04] <silliness> hyper___ch, while I have you here is the dvd burning thing being slow an ubuntu issue or something I am doing wrong 7.04? and if buntu issue does carry into gusty? sorry to bother you
[19:04] <NullName> I'm comforatable with text.  I'm a programmer. It's how I make my living...but I hate hardware, and always have problems with linux video card configuration...
[19:04] <NullName> it doestn make sense...."secondary monitor" is an option but it's greyed out...
[19:05] <NullName> are you sure you have to add it manually?
[19:05] <NullName> I'm using 7.10...I thought it was supposed to be easy to install a secondary monitor
[19:05] <hyper___ch> silliness: I have no clue what you mean
[19:06] <silliness> hyper___ch, I have been on the net for many days and all answers are conflicting
[19:06] <silliness> hyper___ch, my dvd burns top out at 6x and are usually 2x
[19:06] <keb> anyone know how to get md module/driver early into the boot sequence so my raid partitions will load?
[19:07] <silliness> hyper___ch, and is hdparm a requirement now with the new kernels
[19:07] <silliness> hdparm.conf
[19:09] <NullName> has anyone successfully installed two monitors in ubuntu on ANY version?
[19:09] <NullName> could you please tell me how you did it?
[19:10] <silliness> NullName, xorg.conf
[19:10] <NullName> really? so you didn't use the gui?
[19:10] <NullName> I found a guide for 7.04
[19:10] <silliness> never works
[19:10] <NullName> why doesn't it work silliness? they should have released it.
[19:11] <silliness> ever for two monitors are you using ati or nvidia
[19:11] <silliness> or something else
[19:12] <silliness> NullName, or nothing
[19:13] <silliness> i guess
[19:13] <Kilroo> Nullname. I have used two monitors on both 7.04 and 7.10, but I use ATI. I suspect the GUI, if it works at all, only works with very recent dual-head cards; I have used xorg manual edits every time.
[19:14] <NullName> I have an ATI
[19:14] <silliness> NullName, search the internet for an eample xorg.conf the best way to set it up is get fglrx installed and forget the rest of the ati
[19:15] <silliness> I found one is not that hard
[19:15] <NullName> thanks Kilroo.
[19:15] <silliness> the setup as two xservers
[19:15] <Kilroo> What kind, Null?
[19:15] <silliness> s/the/then
[19:16] <NullName> Kilroo I just remember the ATI won't detect
[19:16] <NullName> its a....
[19:16] <NullName> ATI D33053 RV25L B3
[19:16] <silliness> and xorg.conf are the smae for all cards except for the driver spot
[19:16] <NullName> dual butone of the outputs is weird with a convertor
[19:16] <Kilroo> I'm not familiar with that.
[19:17] <NullName> Kilroo since it's not detected I wanted to use another card...some generic card
[19:17] <Kilroo> But...I do know the latest fglrx does not fully support r350 (radeon 9600/9800) cards yet.
[19:17] <NullName> can I configure two separate card with xorg.conf
[19:17] <NullName> ?
[19:17] <silliness> I had a xorg.conf stored in hotmail but forgot to log back in enough or could of gave you it
[19:17] <NullName> is it possilbe to configure xorg.conf to work with two different cards?
[19:18] <silliness> never tried
[19:18] <Kilroo> If you mean it's not detected by the GUI, that probably means nothing. If you mean you had no display at all when you tried with it, good call.
[19:18] <NullName> I can't find a good guide or example
[19:18] <Kilroo> NullName, it should be. I read about it somewhere. Unfortunately I do not remember where. I have a vague recollection that it may not be possible to get 3d acceleration on both.
[19:19] <NullName> I don't need 3d acceleration...all my cards are ancient
[19:19] <NullName> I can't find a good guide anywhere Kilroo
[19:19] <NullName> too many examples and I don't know whuch one I want to use
[19:19] <NullName> I also don't know the stats on the cards
[19:20] <Kilroo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53966 looks promising.
[19:20] <NullName> thanks so much!
[19:26] <wyrd> evenin' all
[19:28] <keb> anyone know how to get md module/driver early into the boot sequence?  when i upgraded to 7.10 the md wasnt loaded anymore
[19:28] <keb> evening wyrd
[19:29] <wyrd> is your md volume /?
[19:29]  * silliness thinks upgrading over rated unless one wants learning experience
[19:29] <keb> so everytime i boot i have to login to a console and modprobe md and then mdadm --assemble --scan
[19:30] <wyrd> ah
[19:30] <keb> no the md volume is only /home
[19:30] <wyrd> i've had a simmilar problem
[19:30] <keb> but it is nice to be able to login without a hassle
[19:30] <wyrd> i think ijust compiled it in in the end
[19:30] <pcrtech> is there a way to downgrade back to 7.04?
[19:31] <keb> pcrtech : restore from a backup image
[19:32] <pcrtech> yeah didnt make one before upgrading *smacks self in head*
[19:33] <pcrtech> think i'll just try installing 7.10 from scratch and see if DVD playback works that way along with full use of my video card
[19:33] <keb> hooray for learning experiences
[19:33] <wyrd> heh
[19:34] <wyrd> keb, have you setup /etc/mdstat and the other one
[19:34] <wyrd> *mtab even
[19:34] <keb> nope
[19:35] <keb> mtab is there
[19:35] <wyrd> i mean, mdadm.conf
[19:35] <keb> yes i had to add the array definition into that
[19:36] <keb> but the module isnt loaded so it always says /dev/md0 does not exist
[19:37] <keb> during upgrade i got a udev error related to mdadm
[19:37] <keb> but it didnt stop the upgrade
[19:37] <wyrd> ah
[19:38] <keb> the error was that /etc/udev/rules.d/65-mdadm.vol_id.rules wasnt there
[19:38] <wyrd> can you ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[19:38] <wyrd> ah ha
[19:38] <keb> it is there now but i can't make heads or tails of it
[19:38] <wyrd> can you pastebin it?
[19:39] <keb> sure
[19:39] <Deformation> hello
[19:39] <wyrd> hello
[19:39] <Deformation> can i ask for some help here?
[19:39] <wyrd> go for it
[19:39] <Deformation> thanks
[19:40] <Deformation> i just upgraded to gutsy
[19:40] <keb> wyrd : http://pastebin.ca/742669
[19:40] <Deformation> and my fan wont stop spinning
[19:40] <Deformation> its annoying
[19:40] <Deformation> i feel that my labtop is burnning somehow
[19:41] <wyrd> does you laptop have a graphics card?
[19:41] <Deformation> mmm i think it should
[19:41] <Deformation> its an acer travelmate
[19:42] <Deformation> it have an intel card i guess
[19:42] <wyrd> if your running XGL on a software gfx card it might be over working your cpu
[19:43] <Deformation> the problem is that cpu is less than 10%
[19:43] <wyrd> keb, that looks fine to me
[19:43] <wyrd> ah, ok
[19:43] <Deformation> thats what the cpu shortcut at the panel shows me
[19:43] <Deformation> my ram increased a bit more than feisty
[19:44] <keb> wyrd : yeah its probably the standard file.  i'm toying with adding md into initramfs now
[19:45] <wyrd> good idea
[19:45] <wyrd> Deformation, maybe it's your graphics card running hot?
[19:45] <Deformation> how do i check that?
[19:45] <keb> although maybe it is enough to add md into /etc/modules
[19:45] <wyrd> that might also work
[19:46] <d1n0> Can anyone help me so I can extend my desktop to my TV? It's connected through S-video and works out of the box as a clone!
[19:46] <keb> brb rebooting 8)
[19:47] <wyrd> k
[19:47] <keb> hmm that little network manager icon looks suspiciously like microsoft's.  ubuntu might get sued
[19:48] <Deformation> the readings now are like that : cpu = 5.6 % user mem 168 out of 234
[19:49] <wyrd> d1n0, try having a look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[19:50] <Deformation> any help guys?
[19:50] <wyrd> not sure about your problem
[19:50] <joeamined> hi
[19:51] <wyrd> can you check the temps of your computer
[19:51] <joeamined> is there a powerpoint presentations viewer other than open office's impress ?
[19:51] <Deformation> any program to do that?
[19:52] <wyrd> Deformation, i think you want lm-sensors, there might be a wiki or forum guide
[19:52] <Deformation> joeamined, you can use powerpoint veiwer
[19:52] <wyrd> i've never set it up before
[19:52] <Deformation> ok i will find out the temp and tell you, brb
[19:53] <joeamined> deformation : where can i find it please ?
[19:53] <joeamined> is it available for xubuntu ?
[19:53] <Deformation> just do a search for title in synaptic
[19:53] <Deformation> sure i have it
[19:54] <Deformation> you can use kpresenter also
[19:54] <Deformation> or criaweps
[19:54] <joeamined> does it require wine ?
[19:54] <Deformation> no
[19:55] <Deformation> normall installation by synaptic
[19:55] <Deformation> you may not find the powerpoint viewer by that name
[19:55] <Deformation> do a search : powerpoint by details in synaptic
[19:55] <Deformation> Wyrd, i have another question please
[19:56] <wyrd> yes?
[19:56] <joeamined> i found it but it requires wine :(
[19:56] <Deformation> the cpu/swap/ram indicator , volume manager, battery indicator, net monitor
[19:57] <Deformation> they are not working under the human theme
[19:57] <Deformation> i mean they dont show up
[19:57] <Deformation> unless i go to any other theme and add them to the panel then switch back to human
[19:57] <Deformation> and even when i do that
[19:58] <Deformation> when i logout/in again it disappears
[19:58] <wyrd> how odd
[19:58] <Deformation> are you ising gutsy?
[19:58] <Deformation> using*
[19:59] <wyrd> i shall be in a few mins
[19:59] <Deformation> well,
[19:59] <Deformation> tell me if it works for you
[19:59] <wyrd> ok
[20:02] <wyrd> argh!
[20:02] <wyrd> all the fonts are massive
[20:03] <Deformation> wyrd, yes that another issue
[20:03] <Deformation> wyrd, synaptic says that i have lm-sensors installed
[20:03] <Deformation> how do i find it?
[20:04] <wyrd> lm-sensors is a driver, i think
[20:04] <wyrd> you need otehr apps to access the data
[20:04] <wyrd> try google or the forums
[20:04] <Deformation> ok
[20:11] <Deformation> wyrd, i am sorry to bother, but any success with the human+ panel indicators?
[20:12] <wyrd> nope
[20:12] <wyrd> sorry
[20:12] <wyrd> i'm still trying to make the window title bars not massive
[20:12] <d1n0>  I cant change the volume in XMMS! Using Xubuntu! Can anyone help?
[20:12] <Deformation> oh, goodluck with that :)
[20:14] <wyrd> ah ha!
[20:14] <wyrd> a restart fixed the fonts
[20:16] <Deformation> lucky you
[20:16] <Deformation> i still did not manage to change the fonts in the gnome welcome manager
[20:16] <Deformation> still massive
[20:25] <wyrd> oh dear
[20:25] <Deformation> brb, will restart
[20:25] <wyrd> 10 mins in, and i've broken X
[20:40] <Deformation> wyrd, i did not understand anything related to im-sensors
[20:40] <wyrd> ok
[20:40] <Deformation> any othet way to know whats wrong with the fan?
[20:41] <Deformation> or at least, any way to go back to feisty?
[20:41] <wyrd> not that i know of, sorry
[20:45] <keoni86> im trying to install on a nvraid system im folloing a howto but for somereason I am unable to do apt-get install ubuntu-base any ideas? im being told "E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-base"
[20:51] <NullName> So I installed double monitors..and I think it's not working....I'm getting a blinking cursor on my default monitor....is there anyway I can just make the default monitor run a terminal with no graphics? it is blinking
[20:55] <NullName> guess not
[20:55] <NullName> :(
[20:55] <NullName> I don't understadn how to control two monitors if one is in the terminal
[20:55] <zoredache_> I don't suppose anyone else is having problems with the gutsy version of libpam_mount?
[20:55] <NullName> it looks like it is anyway
[21:11] <R[a]ndom> nullname didnt wait anywhere near long enough
[21:11] <R[a]ndom> ah well.
[21:12]  * R[a]ndom enjoys his dual monitors
[21:12] <keb> :D
[21:12] <keoni86> lol
[21:13] <NullName> HELP! Can I edit X11/xorg.conf and change the identifiers for screens...or do I have to run  "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org"??
[21:13] <keoni86> hes back
[21:13] <NullName> this sucks
[21:13] <NullName> nobody knows
[21:13] <NullName> :(
[21:14] <keb> you can edit it, but next time you update something the changes might get overwritten
[21:14] <NullName> so I have two graphics cards...both screen identifiers are set to "default screen"
[21:14] <NullName> I changed one to "LEFT"
[21:15] <NullName> and all I'm getting is a blinking cursor
[21:15] <NullName> I goto "screens and Graphics" and mess with the settings...
[21:15] <NullName> on  the "test" it works...
[21:15] <NullName> but once I hit "okay" the screen starts flashing these lines
[21:21] <d1n0> I've gotta Type in "setxkbmap no" in terminal for my keyboardlayout to work, but when i restart X it's reset! How do i make it permanent?
[21:56] <NullName> Anyone know why dual monitors works in the "test" but one fails after "keep these settings"?????????
[22:00] <slow-motion> n8
[22:03] <Ryuho> is the only difference of xubuntu and ubuntu the desktop enviorment?
[22:03] <Ryuho> GNOME and xfce?
[22:03] <keb> pretty much
[22:04] <TheSheep> Ryuho: the yalso differ in the set of apps installed by default
[22:04] <TheSheep> Ryuho: and artwork
[22:04] <Ryuho> ah that's true
[22:04] <Ryuho> ok, thanks man
[22:06] <brick__> hi. when i press the xfce mixer(volume control button) there are no controls there.. when i chouse preferenced and choose the device, there are default and nvidia(0) but no controls show up.. how to fix this?
[22:07] <brick__> the sound is on full volume i think. and when i play songs or movies. the sound controll in the program does not effect the volume
[22:12] <theDeul> hullo... any advice on how to set the order that applications are started upon login?
[22:13] <theDeul> (7.04)
[22:16] <TheSheep> theDeul: you can start the ones that depend on each other with a single script that's called by the 'autostarted applications'
[22:17] <theDeul> TheSheep: hmmm. that'd work... but I have no experience scripting in linux (newb)... I've used AppleScript in OS X, but that's all... I guess I'll google around for how to do this...
[22:18] <theDeul> what scripting language do you think would be easiest for this purpose?
[22:18] <TheSheep> theDeul: just write #!/bin/bash at the top and then the commands you'd run from the termnal, one per line
[22:19] <TheSheep> theDeul: then make the file executable and voila
[22:19] <theDeul> in a regular text editor? how do you make the file executable?
[22:20] <TheSheep> theDeul: chmod a+x filename
[22:21] <theDeul> so for example line 1 might be: #!/bin/bash gnome-terminal
[22:21] <theDeul> ?
[22:21] <TheSheep> theDeul: no, make it two lines
[22:21] <TheSheep> theDeul: you only need that #!/bin/bash at the top
[22:21] <TheSheep> theDeul: on a line alone
[22:21] <TheSheep> theDeul: it tells Linux what language the rest is in
[22:22] <theDeul> okay, so #!/bin/bash on one line, and then one line for each of the commands
[22:22] <theDeul> ?
[22:22] <TheSheep> yes
[22:22] <TheSheep> exactly
[22:23] <theDeul> so #!/bin/bash is telling saying that bash is the language?
[22:23] <TheSheep> yes
[22:23] <TheSheep> it's the same language that you normally use in the terminal
[22:23] <theDeul> sweet... I'll give it a shot... thanks a million!
[22:24] <TheSheep> if you wanted to write in perl or python, you would put #!/usr/bin/perl or #!/usr/bin/python in there
[22:28] <theDeul> should the lines following "#!/bin/bash" have a leading "." before the command? ie: "./usr/bin/devilspie" or just "/usr/bin/devilspie"?
[22:28] <machaddock> hello anyone there?
[22:28] <machaddock> I need help finding and deleting files
[22:29] <TheSheep> machaddock: what files you need to find and delete?
[22:30] <machaddock> I did something to a bittorrent prog and now it quits some sec. after it started. I need to delete preference files or something like that
[22:32] <TheSheep> machaddock: just enable 'show hidden files' in thunar
[22:32] <TheSheep> machaddock: in the 'view' menu
[22:32] <machaddock> TheSheep--I tried to make deluge automatically download and install a peergardian file. but now it only quits right off
[22:33] <Deformation> hello, anyone upgraded to gutsy here?
[22:33] <TheSheep> machaddock: and look for a file called .deluge or something
[22:33] <machaddock> ok thanks
[22:33] <TheSheep> !anyone | Deformation
[22:33] <ubotu> Deformation: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[22:33] <machaddock> thesheep is there no find file or something like that
[22:34] <TheSheep> machaddock: there are two you can use from the command line, and there are some GUI ones you can install additionally
[22:34] <Deformation> ubotu: ok my question is, my xubuntu panels wont allow any (cpu indicator, volume control, battery indicator, net traffic..) to appear on the panel under the human theme
[22:34] <TheSheep> machaddock: the command line ones are 'locate' and 'find'
[22:35] <machaddock> TheSheep - ok I'll try that thanks
[22:35] <Deformation> it only works in any other theme
[22:35] <Deformation> is it only me?
[22:35] <theDeul> TheSheep: i think you might have missed my last question... do the lines following "#!/bin/bash" need a leading period? ("./user/bin/devilspie" or "/user/bin/devilspie"?)
[22:36] <TheSheep> theDeul: better use full paths
[22:36] <Deformation> TheSheep:  ok my question is, my xubuntu panels wont allow any (cpu indicator, volume control, battery indicator, net traffic..) to appear on the panel under the human theme
[22:36] <TheSheep> theDeul: /home/sheep/bin/foo
[22:36] <Deformation> TheSheep: anything that haves a bar wont appear
[22:36] <theDeul> okay. what does the leading period do anyway?
[22:37] <TheSheep> Deformation: I don't have the human theme installed atm, let me install it and see
[22:37] <Deformation> ok, thanks
[22:38] <TheSheep> theDeul: it means "current directory", just like two periods mean "one directroy up"
[22:38] <theDeul> ah, that makes sense.
[22:38] <theDeul> thanks so much
[22:38] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: how can you add a new line of text in the shell to an existing file?
[22:38] <TheSheep> theDeul: these are actually names of real directories present in every directory, you can see them with 'ls -a'
[22:39] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: echo ziew >> file
[22:39] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: thx
[22:40] <TheSheep> Deformation: they show up for me normally
[22:40] <Deformation> :/
[22:40] <Deformation> thats strange
[22:40] <Deformation> with the orange color?
[22:40] <TheSheep> Deformation: yes, the human theme doesn't allow changing of progress bar colors
[22:41] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: and how to do what with sudo?    sudo echo "include /usr/local/lib" >> /etc/so.ld.conf          --> didn't work
[22:41] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: no idea, try parens
[22:41] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: or wait
[22:41] <TheSheep> nah
[22:42] <TheSheep> sudo (echo ziew >> file)
[22:42] <TheSheep> maybe
[22:42] <Deformation> then why its doing this with me? it does not show it, unless i switched to any other theme and added it to the panel, then after adding it switching back to the human theme. but even that does not work good, because after logout or restart it will disappear again
[22:42] <Deformation> TheSheep: you have to (add it) under the human theme
[22:43] <theDeul> thanks again, TheSheep, I'm gunna to give it a try now!
[22:43] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: nope :(
[22:43] <TheSheep> Deformation: ah ha!
[22:43] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: oh well, then I'll do it the compicated way
[22:43] <hyper___ch> complicated
[22:43] <Deformation> TheSheep: it will show under the human theme if added under another theme
[22:43] <TheSheep> Deformation: you are right, it doesn't show up
[22:43] <Deformation> see what i mean :)
[22:43] <machaddock> TheSheep -- thanks I found it under /home/username/.config/deluge and I deleted that. Now I'm going to try to reinstall deluge. Lets hope that works
[22:43] <TheSheep> !bugs | Deformation
[22:43] <ubotu> Deformation: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[22:43] <Deformation> my first bug ever!!!!
[22:44] <Deformation> i really dont know how to report a bug
[22:44] <TheSheep> Deformation: go on and report it until someone does it before you ;)
[22:44] <TheSheep> Deformation: don't worry, just describe as much as you can
[22:44] <Deformation> ok i will
[22:44] <TheSheep> Deformation: I'll look at it
[22:50] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: echo "include /usr/local/lib" | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.so.conf
[22:50] <Deformation> TheSheep: this is what i wrote : when trying to add any item with a status bar to the panel under the human theme, it will not appear, it only works if you added the item (battery indicator,volume manager,cpu status,net traffic bar..etc) under another theme then switch to the human theme. but it will disappear again when you logout or restart.
[22:51] <Deformation> TheSheep: is it enough?
[22:51] <TheSheep> Deformation: I guess so, we don't know more at the moment
[22:51] <TheSheep> Deformation: but the bug is easily reproducible
[22:51] <TheSheep> Deformation: so a competent person can gather more info easily
[22:51] <Deformation> TheSheep: what do you mean by easy reproducible?
[22:52] <TheSheep> Deformation: it's easy to repeat it
[22:52] <Deformation> TheSheep: i get it
[22:52] <Deformation> TheSheep: so would it take long time to fix this kind of bugs?
[22:52] <TheSheep> Deformation: it's very hard to tell
[22:53] <Deformation> i found another issue
[22:53] <TheSheep> do tell
[22:54] <Deformation> TheSheep: when i click on the action button, sometimes it tells me that i dont have permission to shutdown the computer, and allows me either to logout or hibernate
[22:54] <Deformation> TheSheep: other times, it does not tell me anything, but only shows me the logout button/hibernate options
[22:55] <TheSheep> Deformation: I think that happens when you kill the panels and re-start them
[22:55] <Deformation> TheSheep: one time it showed me a box to put in my sudo password for permission to shutdown
[22:55] <Deformation> TheSheep: no, it was a normal shutdown
[22:58] <TheSheep> hmm... as if dbus or hal was down...
[22:58] <TheSheep> Deformation: did you do something before that, or is it random?
[22:59] <Deformation> TheSheep: nothing, i was trying to figure out why my fan is always on
[22:59] <Deformation> TheSheep: thats another issue, but only affecting acer laptop users
[23:00] <Deformation> TheSheep: normal cpu, no load, but still the fan is on and spinning
[23:03] <TheSheep> Deformation: no ideas abouth those, if you want to report them, search for similar bugs first, there is a good chance they are reported already
[23:03] <Ryuho> why is it that vcn doesn't work in xfce
[23:03] <Ryuho> but works in GNOME
[23:04] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: do you know why the xubuntu gutsy desktop cd is 130mb smaller than the other desktop cds?
[23:05] <TheSheep> hyper___ch: no idea, maybe they managed to optimize it better? :)
[23:05] <hyper___ch> TheSheep: :)
[23:07] <Deformation> TheSheep: any easy way to check out the temperature of my laptop/
[23:08] <theDeul> hey TheSheep: you wouldn't happen to have any experience with the program devilspie would you?
[23:08] <Deformation> TheSheep: i have lm-sensors installed but i dont know what to do with it
[23:11] <TheSheep> theDeul: I looked at it briefly, but never really used
[23:11] <TheSheep> Deformation: maybe there are some howtos on the forums?
[23:11] <Deformation> TheSheep: i am searching right now :/
[23:12] <theDeul> thx anyway :) (trying to follow this tutorial on running a transparent terminal window over the desktop: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-transparent-terminal-session-as-your-desktop-background.html
[23:14] <TheSheep> theDeul: just open terminal and press f11 :)
[23:15] <evil_tech> how do I enable compiz-fusion. I installed the packages and settings manager but I don't know how to apply and use them
[23:16] <theDeul> theSheep: that doesn't keep the terminal running in the background, behind everything else, but thx... that's a handy shortcut!
[23:22] <Ryuho> anyone know how to get vcn working
[23:22] <Ryuho> in xfce
[23:22] <silliness> how do  I install google earth without installing it /home/user, the bin always ends up there?
[23:26] <Deformation> TheSheep: can you check out your hardware info under the settings menu, is it showing up?
[23:29] <Mmph> I get an I/O error on hd0 when booting the live cd sometimes, and it tells me that it attempts to install grub to hd0 too and fails. TIA for any help
[23:31] <Deformation> anyone using pidgin here?
[23:32] <evil_tech> i am
[23:33] <Deformation> evil_tech: i am connected but it keeps showing me a message that says : waiting for network connection, near to the status bar
[23:33] <evil_tech> one of the accounts isnt connected?
[23:34] <Deformation> evil_tech: and tells me that hotmail is not accessiable at the moment, even thou that i am logged in
[23:34] <evil_tech> hmm
[23:34] <Deformation> its logged in both ids
[23:35] <evil_tech> i think there has been msn problems. there is a lot of talk about it in the pidgin channel
[23:35] <Mark76> I'm ashamed to admit it, but I just can't bring myself to love the official Ubuntu mail clients
[23:35] <Deformation>  is it #pidgin ?
[23:35] <Mark76> I had MSN problems
[23:36] <evil_tech> yes
[23:36] <Deformation> thanks
[23:37] <Mark76> Anyone else prefer to use anything BUT Evolution or Thunderbird?
[23:39] <Deformation> me
[23:39] <Deformation> claws
[23:39] <Mark76> Ditto :D
[23:39] <Deformation> its super fine for me, light stable and easy config
[23:39] <Ryuho> can anyone help me with vnc on ubuntu?
[23:39] <Mark76> It does the job and it sits politely in my sys tray
[23:39] <Deformation> hehe correct
[23:40] <Mark76> What' vnc?
[23:40] <Mark76> t's
[23:40] <Mark76> I also like the little side bar that lets you choose how you want to view a message
[23:42] <Deformation> it have 1 main disadvantage thou
[23:42] <Deformation> no encryption by default
[23:43] <Mark76> Can encryption be added?
[23:43] <Deformation> do a little search with beagle and all your emails are shown
[23:43] <Deformation> i am not sure really
[23:43] <Mark76> Doesn't encryption only work if both parties are using it?
[23:44] <Deformation> but the main reason people dont like claws, no good support thou
[23:44] <Deformation> i am talking about encryption in storing the mail inside the harddisk
[23:44] <Mark76> Ah right
[23:44] <Deformation> like evo or thunderbird
[23:44] <silliness> ok how do I make a google earth entry in the applications menu
[23:45] <Mark76> The Xubuntu applications menu?
[23:46] <silliness> Mark76, yes
[23:46] <Mark76> If you've installed it from the reps shouldn't it be there already?
[23:46] <warbler> Ryuho?
[23:46] <Mark76> HAng on
[23:46] <Ryuho> hi
[23:46] <silliness> Mark76, didn't install from there
[23:46] <Ryuho> ok so insalled ubuntu 7.4
[23:46] <Ryuho> vnc worked then
[23:46] <Ryuho> and then i installed xfce
[23:46] <Mark76> Hang on Silliness
[23:47] <Ryuho> now if i choose xfce as my DE, vnc doesn't respond
[23:47] <Mark76> How did you install it?
[23:47] <warbler> Ryuho: there are settings in the server and hosts
[23:47] <Ryuho> where would i look at
[23:48] <Ryuho> on the server side
[23:48] <Mark76> It's definitely in Synaptic
[23:48] <warbler> Ryuho:what is on the server?
[23:48] <Mark76> If you reinstall it from there it should show up in the apps menu
[23:48] <Ryuho> server meaning the one being controlled right?
[23:48] <Ryuho> well that's the thing in GNOME i can't find anything that would "start" up vnc service
[23:49] <warbler> Ryuho: server being the one that won't see xfce?
[23:49] <Ryuho> i would see vino-server once i vnc into ubuntu from another computer
[23:49] <Ryuho> server being the one being controlled = xfce
[23:50] <Mark76> Anyone know how to start 3D desktop effects?
[23:50] <Ryuho> I want to vnc into xfce from my windows laptop
[23:50] <silliness> Mark76, my problem with that is that it installs to /home directory which I do not want
[23:50] <evil_tech> ive been attempting the very same
[23:50] <warbler> Ryuho: one min I'll check my configs
[23:50] <Mark76> Ah
[23:50] <Ryuho> it would help out even if you can just tell me where to look
[23:51] <evil_tech> i seem to have everything i need installed
[23:51] <Mark76> Sadly adding items to the xubuntu applications menu is still a matter of command line acrobatics
[23:51] <evil_tech> i have a settings manager but it doesnt seem to apply the things i set
[23:51] <silliness> Mark76, so i dl the bin and make executable then sudo ./Google.bin
[23:52] <Mark76> Not googleearth.bin?
[23:52] <silliness> yeah lazy
[23:52] <silliness> jj kb is really difficult to type on
[23:53] <Mark76> JJ?
[23:53] <silliness> just joking
[23:53] <Mark76> Ah
[23:53] <Mark76> My sister had a real mare of a keyboard with one of her old computers
[23:54] <warbler> Ryuho: I set up xubuntu on the server and vnc to it from an ubuntu box - did you set up the server edition then add xfce?
[23:54] <silliness> I had one from 1984
[23:54] <silliness> very loud
[23:54] <Mark76> SEX CRIME!!!!
[23:54] <Ryuho> um no i just installed ubuntu, and i didn't do anything else
[23:54] <Mark76> Sorry, 80s flashback
[23:54] <Ryuho> from 7.04
[23:55] <Ryuho> just set password, that's about it
[23:55] <silliness> this one was from a pason drilling rig monitor that the techie came out to replace
[23:55] <Mark76> So, anyone know how to activate the 3D effects?
[23:55] <warbler> Ryuho: vnc is a way to control one comp from another comp - is that what youre trying to do?
[23:55] <Ryuho> yes
[23:55] <warbler> k
[23:55] <Ryuho> i would use something more secure like ssh if it was easier to set up
[23:55] <silliness> said was causing x to freeze
[23:56] <silliness> he dumb
[23:56] <silliness> Mark76, so you know how
[23:56] <warbler> Ryuho: did you install vnc-server on one comp?
[23:56] <Ryuho> on my xp, yes
[23:58] <warbler> Ryuho: ahh - so it is from xp that you want to control the xfce comp?
[23:58] <Ryuho> yes
[23:58] <warbler> Ryuho: and it worked with gnome but not xfce?
[23:59] <Mark76> Know how what? Silliness
[23:59] <Ryuho> worked with gnome but not with xfce