[00:00] ya, but I was able to build out an application I create a couple of weeks back on it with no problem [00:00] I can compile the .java file if I export my classpath to point at the qtjambi.jar file [00:00] maybe something isn't going into the .jar file [00:01] also, if I try to do it outside of the source directory, I don't have access to com.trolltech.launcher.Launcher package either [00:01] the examples package I really don't care about [00:02] hrmm, I don't have the launcher package in the src dir either [00:03] launcher is in /usr/share/java/qtjambi-demo.jar [00:03] just add that to your classpath [00:04] ahh, Launcher isn't what I want [00:06] com/trolltech/launcher? [00:07] that seems to be the main difference between kubuntu's .jar and mandriva's [00:07] ya, the Launcher is the demo launcher I found out [00:07] or at least that is what it launched [00:08] which shouldn't be important for hello world [00:09] correct [00:09] I can compile it now by adding the qtjambi.jar to classpath [00:10] but as soon as I try 'java HelloWorld', I get the same errors [00:11] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-mandriva.diff [00:11] that's quite a lot of diff [00:11] AHH I GOT IT!!! [00:12] mm? [00:12] I have to run it with -cp /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. HelloWorld [00:13] this outside of the jambi sources or inside? [00:13] outside [00:13] doesn't work for me [00:13] what's your compile line? [00:15] javac -classpath /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. HelloWorld.java [00:15] to run it though, you need to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/jni [00:16] you are using sun-java and not gcj right? [00:16] compiling gives me HelloWorld.java:5: cannot find symbol symbol : variable QApplication [00:17] that looks like you are using gcj [00:18] also make sure you remove the package line from the top of the helloworld file [00:19] nope lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-10-19 23:35 /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/bin/javac [00:19] you are using 'import com.trolltech.qt.gui.*;' correct? [00:19] ah, there we go [00:20] and if I sort those file lists before taking the diff, there's no difference between ours and mandriva's [00:20] hrmm [00:20] so, peace reigns throught the Jambi kingdom [00:20] muhehehe :) [00:22] so now I need to reset all of the eclipse stuff so I can work it from there [00:24] OK, so now I know I can just alias my java command to include the -cp /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. and it will not mess up my other stuff [00:32] manchicken: What Konvi default? [00:58] DaSkreech: Tabs and the notification settings. [01:05] nosrednaekim: Phenom :) Cool I want one with Splashtop [01:13] uga|away: Like sendmail :) [01:20] CPrgmSwR2: How come you don't hang out in #kde-games? [01:20] manchicken: What are the new notification settings? [01:40] Ok caught up [01:44] DaSkreech: Makes the system tray flash. [01:44] manchicken: There is no System tray [01:44] That's the problem :) [01:44] manchicken: the old one used to do that [01:45] manchicken: I took that off in feisty anyway and made the taskbar flash :) Alt+Ctrl+A for life! [01:52] well, I guess all that is left now is to try and get the Jambi plugins for Eclipse to work, and to be able to build/run code from Eclipse [02:38] nixternal: what are you going to be talking about in the Open week Kubuntu session? [02:40] !ati [02:40] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto [02:53] DaSkreech: Lost interest in kollagame a while back [02:54] CPrgmSwR2: Shame :) [02:54] CPrgmSwR2: Is it any where public? [02:55] other than in playground of kde no [02:56] DaSkreech: I have to put together an auction site for school which is probably going to take up a lot of my time now because I am not sure how many group members are going to beable to help [02:56] Did you have any Design docs about it? [02:57] Sorta, they are pretty crapy though [02:57] Did you want to work on it? [02:58] CPrgmSwR2: maybe the interest on it will pick up after the dust of KDE 4.0 has settled [02:58] CPrgmSwR2: I'm kinda looking at working with mateedit right now [02:59] i still kinda try to drum up devs for you and trueg anytime I can :) [02:59] oooh aseigo would love you if you're able to do a gobby for kde! :) [02:59] gobby? [03:00] gobby? [03:00] Jucato: BTW... good morning [03:00] morning nosrednaekim! [03:00] collaborative text editior [03:00] for GNOME [03:00] actually its 22:00 here ;) [03:00] good evening then :) [03:00] 21:00 here [03:01] 10:00 here [03:02] btw, I switched over to using kubuntu [03:02] yay! :) [03:03] CPrgmSwR2: from what? [03:03] gentoo [03:04] ah... my brother swears by gentoo... seemed like too much work for me [03:04] boo! [03:04] j/k :) [03:04] only the initial setup is difficult [03:04] nosrednaekim: I don' [03:04] after that, you barely notice it [03:04] Jucato: They have Philippine martial arts? [03:04] DaSkreech: sort of. [03:04] Jucato: That's wht I'm trying to do :) [03:04] Jucato: More like a gobby framework so that anything can embed it [03:04] nosrednaekim: I don't find it that much work to maintain in all, what happen was I was going to have to reformat my computer, and didn't feel like waiting 3 days to use it again [03:05] Jucato: No boo! mooo! [03:05] DaSkreech: well at least you have katepart to start w/ [03:05] Jucato: That's where we are starting [03:05] It's looking good. ... on paper :) [03:05] Want to start playing with it in bytes soon [03:06] I read an artical that says kubuntu's installation system rocks but needs to improve its partittioner when users install kubuntu for the first time [03:07] it's very much based on QtParted, which sort of sucks [03:07] How do you improve a partitioner ? [03:07] waiting for mhb's project [03:07] Ep for a crowd of people who think that the Monitor is the computer [03:07] oooo whats MHB doing now? [03:07] mhb: What? [03:08] Jucato: whats mhb's project [03:08] well it mentions a frontend for pyparted [03:08] * Jucato looks it up [03:09] it;s in blueprints [03:10] What package is XKBfile.h in [03:10] * Jucato points CPrgmSwR2 to the very useful http://packages.ubuntu.com [03:11] here we go: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPartitionManager [03:11] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-partition-manager [03:11] give it to mhb for tinking of really cool utilities (in Python of course...) [03:12] s/give/leave/ [03:12] yah [03:16] !find xkbfile.h [03:16] Package/file xkbfile.h does not exist in gutsy [03:16] DaSkreech: find only looks for package names [03:17] Hmm I recall being able to find files with it [03:17] Jucato: doesn't kubuntu already have a partition editor? or doesn't that do resizing.. [03:17] like the blueprint says, it's QtParted [03:17] the installer uses QtParted too [03:18] ah. [03:18] and compared to GParted, QtParted sucks [03:22] Sounds like another let's have a common back end opportunity [03:25] !info licq [03:25] licq: ICQ client (base files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.4-2 (gutsy), package size 627 kB, installed size 1952 kB [03:25] Last update was a year ago :( [03:25] !info qlwm [03:25] Package qlwm does not exist in gutsy [03:25] rats [03:26] interesting WM [03:26] ScottK: hm.. not so convinced? [03:31] ScottK: Umm They already have a common backend [03:31] parted [03:35] well, another backend backend... pyparted [03:36] a frontbackend to the frontend of the backend? [03:36] a middlend! [03:36] :) [03:41] OK. Nevermind then. [03:41] * Jucato wonders what ScottK meant though... [03:42] * ScottK didn't know they already had a common backend. [03:42] ah. but I think QtParted and GParted interfaced with parted differently. not 100% sure though [03:48] Jucato: by now I'm guessing they must [03:48] by now? if qtparted isn't maintained, it might be a bit behind... [03:49] hasn't QTparted been abandonware for like 2 years now? [03:56] hey people [03:56] whats the dpkg option for force overwrite [03:56] coreymon77: Why do you think you need it? [03:57] ScottK: jucatos suggestion [03:57] ScottK: he suggested i do it to try and save my system after a upgrade messup [03:58] OK. [03:58] :) [03:58] ScottK: one particular package, sfs-server, is giving me problems [03:58] show him the pastebins, he might know a better way [03:58] Yes, please do? [03:58] * Jucato is hardly an expert [04:00] coreymon77: I don't see your issue in the scrollback. What's the exact problem? [04:00] ScottK: its in the kubuntu channel [04:00] Ah. I'm not there. [04:00] Jucato: which pastebin, there have been about 4 [04:00] the first one [04:01] hi Lure :) [04:01] coreymon77: Help is OK for this channel, so I'll PM you [04:02] hi Jucato [04:03] Lure: your other nick got banned in #kde4-devel yesterday :) [04:03] Jucato: yep, bad internet in hotel [04:04] Jucato: wifi is better than wired ;-) [04:04] hahah :) [04:04] * Lure is staying in the same hotel as during uds-mtv ;-) [04:04] quite amusing to you're the only one in the ban list :) [04:11] * n8k99 frequently has trouble with hotel internet [04:16] any reason why my ubuntu.com email adress still doesnt work [04:19] because it's not set up yet? because you broke it? because you're not looking in the right place? [04:19] those will do for a start [04:20] is the next release called Harsh Hobbsee? [04:20] :P [04:21] Hobbsee: its been over a month now [04:21] Hobbsee: and shouldnt it forward all the email sent to it to my primary emai [04:21] l [04:22] n8k99: no. but i'm somewhat sick of my boneheaded customers, so have less tolerance. [04:22] coreymon77: what's your LP page/ [04:22] oh my! [04:22] Hobbsee: later, busy [04:24] ...then why did you ask for help on it? [04:24] * Hobbsee shakes head. [04:27] * n8k99 takes back renaming joke [04:27] Cause I thwapped him for trying to do two things at once while I'm helping him fix his borked system. [04:27] ahhh [04:34] i'd imagine it's kinda hard to bork a system for the final release, though [04:34] hahahaha, we are doing a miniVector class right now in c++, and I wanted to search for info about vSize and vCapacity, and I found this: [04:34] http://www.getacoder.com/projects/generate_random_number_16265.html [04:34] that is someone who is doing the same project, but offering $20 to $100 to do it for him [04:35] ROCK on! [04:35] tax cheque came in :) [04:39] Hobbsee: He had an obscure and broken package installed. We're getting back on track. [04:39] ScottK: ahhhh. yay, crack. [04:40] It was at least from the Ubuntu repos, not totally crackish (in theory anyway). [04:40] Which reminds me I have a removal bug to write. [04:41] ScottK: was it the Firefox 3.0 package? [04:41] Unfortunately no. [04:42] that has been a bugger one for updates, and the funny thing is, all signs point to gnomefreak [04:42] One would have to have it installed to notice. [04:42] I actually argued with a guy that he was using 3rd party repos at first [04:42] ScottK: ooh kool that you're able to help him :) [04:42] low and behold, it is right in ours [04:42] Nope, it's our own crack. [04:42] 90% of it is our own crack [04:43] 93% I think :) [04:43] :P [04:43] although I have to say, Gutsy > than the rest so far, except for Intel HDA sound. If it were just for that, than Feisty would be the winner [04:43] Jucato: Making progress. [04:43] Wow... wait... what is wrong with Intel HDA? [04:43] everything? [04:44] I'd say I'm quite happy with the upgrade feedback so far. not so many problems as before [04:44] notice how volume up and down don't work unless you remap your master channel to PCM for one [04:44] Jucato: Hint for next time. Errors like he had mean you have to get the program in question stopped and the system knowing it before it can be removed. [04:44] ScottK: yeah I guessed so. I was guessing it was in /etc/inti.d/ though [04:44] Trolltech needs to learn how to setup mailing lists [04:44] It was. [04:45] ScottK: but I did ask him to look in there [04:45] OK. Just saying. No trouble. [04:45] Oh wait... sorry, I'm using a different compile of the intel hda module, which aparently means I have nothing to worry about. [04:45] he never said it was. otherwise I would have told him to sudo /etc/init.d/sfs-server stop (if that's the script's name) [04:46] * Jucato goes sulk in the corner... no helpersnack for me today... [04:49] * Jucato is amused at some users who are either not using kubuntu or don't like/recommend kubuntu at all, but still help in the channel... :) [04:50] * Jucato will probably eat his own words some time soon [04:57] * n8k99 starts roasting Jucato`s words so he does have to eat them raw [04:58] dont' roast it yet... I'll have to put it in the freezer first [04:58] gonna be a loooong time [04:58] heehe [04:58] brb.. added new group... [05:02] hi Hobbsee [05:02] You all wouldn't happen to have a opinions on libtorrent or libtutil for torrent client programming? [05:02] hiya [05:02] You were right :) [05:02] hm? [05:11] People upgrading then asking for stuff in Kubuntu then looking hard at using Ubuntu instead [05:12] DaSkreech: like what? [05:12] compiz-fusion? :) [05:12] Hobbsee had the list you can ask her :) [05:12] ah~ yes [05:12] DaSkreech: ah yes. [05:12] I have some: compiz-fusion, printing setup, bulletproof X, GUI X config tool [05:12] you have list Hobbsee? [05:13] HAHA, The apocalyptica song "Fatal Error" just came up on Amarok. I hope that is not a forshadowing. [05:16] DaSkreech: i think i did [05:18] n8k99: And what Jucato said [05:18] mmm...compiz :) [05:19] seems slow, though. [05:19] DaSkreech: saw that [05:19] My main solace is that Kubuntu seem to go smoother than Ubuntu ones [05:19] less packages to upgrade, i suspect [05:19] * n8k99 tried compiz got a headache [05:20] 0.o well that is a pleasent surprise [05:21] I've got Gutsy on my laptop and Dapper still on my Desktop. I finally feel like it's compelling to upgrade. [05:21] We're about to do a major computer shuffle, so I'll move up then. [05:22] n8k99: yeah, only parts of it are good. *shrug* [05:22] like, expose [05:22] likes the way the OSD arrives and the widows close [05:23] i guess i`d have to give it a really serious time frame for real testing [05:24] * Hobbsee ponders making her kubuntu partition bootable again [05:24] ha [05:28] * n8k99 wants to enable the touchscreen on this computer [05:32] right. should boot now [05:33] yummy! [05:33] should. if i havent screwed up the UUIDs [05:33] ah you`re Hobbsee you never make mistakes [05:34] oh, i sometimes do [05:34] * ScottK knows the feeling. UUIDs are fun like that. [05:34] ScottK: i changed the partitions around somewhat, so... [05:34] Just to heighten the fun factor. [05:35] yup [05:37] * DaSkreech rubs tuchus [05:37] Yeah sometimes she does miss the mark..... [05:53] Jucato: are you in #kubuntu? [05:53] nope [05:54] oh- nvrmnd [05:55] why? [05:56] * Jucato stepped outside [05:56] uxhan is using language that seems to be from your region [05:56] just wondering if we can point them off crrecty [05:57] ah Indonesia. [05:57] s.uchan.uxhan [05:57] close, but not quite [05:57] !id [05:57] join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia [05:57] * Jucato doesn't speak any Asian language other than his own [05:58] thanks- [05:58] * n8k99 does speak any Asian languages other thanhis own either [05:58] :P [06:00] !ph [06:00] Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog [06:00] I can read that one^^^ [06:00] * DaSkreech ducks the mighty troutslap of Jucato [06:01] :) [06:25] The included GNOME desktop also looks amazing, although I'm sure hardcore GNOME lovers will argue it just makes it look like KDE ;) [06:25] Heehee [06:29] DaSkreech: on what? [06:29] opensuse 10.3 [06:34] ah [06:35] Hobbsee: try opensuse next!! [06:35] With Gnome! [06:35] or rather [06:35] I'm trying it on my lappy before I finally fut Kubuntu once and for all [06:35] Now with Gnome! [06:35] maybe. i do actually have a kde version of it sittign on my HD (the live cd) [06:35] Jucato: fut? [06:35] Fut? [06:35] put! [06:35] darn [06:35] Put down ? [06:37] put/install [06:38] OTOH, the default theme for edubuntu is also nice - that red. and fits in better wiht kde [06:48] edubuntu-desktop-kde ? [06:55] * ScottK2 is trying the new gimp for the first time. [06:56] Very scary. Way more choices than 1. I need. 2. I can handle at 2AM. [07:01] Time for bed. Good night all. [07:01] night ScottK! [07:01] night ScottK2! [07:02] Heh. [07:02] Good day (I guess for you). [07:19] Yay for freezes! [07:20] hm? [07:20] heh [07:20] * Jucato should start calling DaSkreech as DaFreeze [07:23] I really need to stop checking the time [07:23] Or figure out how to get katapult to tell me [07:23] so is opensuses KDE any better than ours? [07:23] it seems like everyone except me tested it now :o) [07:25] mhb! [07:25] What this you are doing with partitions? [07:25] mhb: :P [07:25] mhb: i've not tested it yet. only gnome. [07:26] DaSkreech: you mean my plan to hack a decent parition editor for KDE? [07:26] or partition manager, call it as you like [07:27] Hobbsee: ah, well let me know if you plan to test the KDE, too :o) [07:28] mhb: ie, ubuntu. not suse [07:28] i still havent developed insanity so far as goign to rpm's [07:29] Yeah [07:30] Hobbsee: hehe. RPMs are not that evil, especially when you dont care about whats going on inside .o) [07:30] yeah, well. [07:30] hm [07:30] maybe [07:30] there are a lot of good reasons to stay with *ubuntu...and not just the ones that you might first think of [07:31] Hobbsee: that is true, and also the main reason why I havent tested any suse yet :o) [07:32] Suse is pretty :) [07:33] Is there a 64 bit build for the Kopete fix? [07:33] and a powerpc link while I'm at it :) [07:37] * DaSkreech ties up imbrandon [07:38] if you could :) === DaSkreech is now known as urgid === urgid is now known as turgid === turgid is now known as DaSkreech === allee_ is now known as allee [09:17] Yahoo! Gutsy updates! === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:18] * Jucato feels hungry... [09:18] Jucato: I hope that is not because of me. [09:18] actually it was triggered :) [09:43] http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/video/sfd07_en.ogg [10:03] dolphin doesn't handle imaging devices.. when i plug in my camera and click the desktop icon it says 'The file or folder / does not exist', opening with konqueror works. [10:37] hunger: what's the updates [10:37] ? [10:39] Riddell: Mostly gnome stuff, kdelibs as well. [10:40] so it's not just us who have bugs :) [10:41] do they have more? :D [10:45] Riddell: hello, do you happen to know where the kdm theme SVGs are stored? [10:48] Hmmm... is it possible that kdesu does not change the $HOME var? [10:48] I think that might be why all of a sudden I have root-owned files in my homedir. [10:49] which is really nice since e.g. ~user/.gnupg/pubring.gpg was overwritten by one owned by root. So my keys are gone now. [10:49] * Jucato thinks it's a bug... not sure if reported already [10:49] Riddell: apt:/yakuake now installs yakuake ;) [10:49] hunger: better ask Tonio_ :D [10:50] Tonio_: koolness! :) [10:50] Riddell: the only problem I have is that ioslaves are designed to use apt:/ and not apt:// urls [10:50] Riddell: I have to find out how the all is parsed, but I didn't find yet [10:50] "apt:/yakuake, kuake" also works btw [10:50] Tonio_: Any idea why ~user/.gnupg/pubring.gpg was overwritten by one owned by root. It does contain the automatix key now, nothing else. automatix used kdesu to make me root and then did import a key. [10:51] hunger: which kdesu version ? [10:51] Tonio_: I am on gutsy... dunno which one is in there. [10:51] hunger: with kdesudo ~ is the user profile, with standard kdesu then /root is the root profile [10:52] hunger: hum strange [10:52] maybe some automatics specifics I don't know [10:52] I never saw that problem [10:52] * jpatrick wonders how he wrecked katapult.. [10:52] Hmm. I think I must reinstall automatix2 (which sucks by the way) and try to figure out what it does exactly. [10:53] I thought this might be related to the "fix admin-mode in kcontrol to look good" thingy. [10:54] * hunger had to fall back to his backups twice already since upgrading to gutsy. OK, first time round I was stupid:-) [10:57] Jucato: that fasttrack program had some good code [10:58] jpatrick: I hoped so. any chance of um... you know... merging? :) [10:58] * Jucato is unsure of Mez's opinion... [10:59] but I have gotten the impression that the guy who made fast track sort of lost hope of getting it into the main branch [10:59] I've only merged the amarokcatalog-thingy, I tried to do it myself, looked at his code and saw that I'd done bits of what he did [11:00] I haven't peeked at his documentcatalog code... [11:00] btw, those two catalog codes are scary :) [11:00] never saw so many nested if's in my life [11:00] Mez hasn't merged my code either :| [11:01] well... :( [11:01] so I made my own branch [11:02] good :) [11:02] now, if it ever gets released.. no idea [11:08] Tonio_: I expect the difference between :/ and :// is reading the URL hostname against the URL path [11:14] mhb: the kdm theme SVGs will be on kwwii's hard disk [11:14] would be nice to have them in the sources indeed [11:14] Riddell: interesting [11:14] Riddell: but if I change this, it means I have to fix the all kio-apt to work with // [11:15] Riddell: better finding a tweak so that apt:// is converted to apt:/ internally I suspect [11:15] Riddell: btw I may have the clue for this [11:16] hunger: your problem might be a problem between automatix and kdesudo then, I'd say automatix bug since it should never, even for root, replace the pubring file [11:17] Riddell: I saw some people complaining that basket doesn't integrate with kdepim with kdelibs 3.5.8 [11:17] Riddell: any plan to also fix this with the coming update ? === mars is now known as marseillai [11:20] Tonio_: no plans for that [11:20] it crashes the gutsy kdepim [11:21] Riddell: the fix crashes kdepim ? [11:21] And even in the old versions it never really worked well. Dragging stuff into basket-in-kdepim e.g. never worked properly. [11:21] Tonio_: basket kontact integration did [11:22] Riddell: due to enterprise release, right [11:22] Tonio_: The guys working at it do not care about others integrating into kdepim:-( [11:23] Tonio_: yes [11:23] Tonio_: I was told not to bother even trying kdepim integration of kcall for kde4. [11:24] hunger: :/ [11:25] But then they claimed Kontact is dead in kde4 anyway. They will support it, yada, yada indefinitely, but it is dead anyway, to be replaced with some yet-to-be-thought-out app (probably without offering integration). [11:25] hmm, really? [11:26] Riddell: That was what they told me when I asked on #kdepim about kcall integration. [11:26] * hunger shrugs. === uga|away is now known as uga [12:42] hello, is it possible to get krita installed by default? or at least SOME image editor [12:45] * Hobbsee thougth we had one [12:46] just gwenview [12:47] we should have kolourpaint [12:47] funny, I hadn't noticed this [12:48] nosrednaekim: we did have krita but took it out for space reasons [12:48] Riddell: kolourpaint could make it. no ? [12:48] ah.. ok. thats too bad. [12:49] marseillai: I'm not sure I see much point, it's a toy app [12:49]