[00:00] <nixternal> ya, but I was able to build out an application I create a couple of weeks back on it with no problem
[00:00] <nixternal> I can compile the .java file if I export my classpath to point at the qtjambi.jar file
[00:00] <Riddell> maybe something isn't going into the .jar file
[00:01] <nixternal> also, if I try to do it outside of the source directory, I don't have access to com.trolltech.launcher.Launcher package either
[00:01] <nixternal> the examples package I really don't care about
[00:02] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't have the launcher package in the src dir either
[00:03] <Riddell> launcher is in /usr/share/java/qtjambi-demo.jar
[00:03] <Riddell> just add that to your classpath
[00:04] <nixternal> ahh, Launcher isn't what I want
[00:06] <Riddell> com/trolltech/launcher?
[00:07] <Riddell> that seems to be the main difference between kubuntu's .jar and mandriva's
[00:07] <nixternal> ya, the Launcher is the demo launcher I found out
[00:07] <nixternal> or at least that is what it launched
[00:08] <Riddell> which shouldn't be important for hello world
[00:09] <nixternal> correct
[00:09] <nixternal> I can compile it now by adding the qtjambi.jar to classpath
[00:10] <nixternal> but as soon as I try 'java HelloWorld', I get the same errors
[00:11] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-mandriva.diff
[00:11] <Riddell> that's quite a lot of diff
[00:11] <nixternal> AHH I GOT IT!!!
[00:12] <Riddell> mm?
[00:12] <nixternal> I have to run it with -cp /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. HelloWorld
[00:13] <Riddell> this outside of the jambi sources or inside?
[00:13] <nixternal> outside
[00:13] <Riddell> doesn't work for me
[00:13] <Riddell> what's your compile line?
[00:15] <nixternal> javac -classpath /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. HelloWorld.java
[00:15] <nixternal> to run it though, you need to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/jni
[00:16] <nixternal> you are using sun-java and not gcj right?
[00:16] <Riddell> compiling gives me  HelloWorld.java:5: cannot find symbol  symbol  : variable QApplication
[00:17] <nixternal> that looks like you are using gcj
[00:18] <nixternal> also make sure you remove the package line from the top of the helloworld file
[00:19] <Riddell> nope  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-10-19 23:35 /etc/alternatives/javac -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-icedtea/bin/javac
[00:19] <nixternal> you are using 'import com.trolltech.qt.gui.*;' correct?
[00:19] <Riddell> ah, there we go
[00:20] <Riddell> and if I sort those file lists before taking the diff, there's no difference between ours and mandriva's
[00:20] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:20] <Riddell> so, peace reigns throught the Jambi kingdom
[00:20] <nixternal> muhehehe :)
[00:22] <nixternal> so now I need to reset all of the eclipse stuff so I can work it from there
[00:24] <nixternal> OK, so now I know I can just alias my java command to include the -cp /usr/share/java/qtjambi.jar:. and it will not mess up my other stuff
[00:32] <DaSkreech> manchicken: What Konvi default?
[00:58] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Tabs and the notification settings.
[01:05] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Phenom :) Cool I want one with Splashtop
[01:13] <DaSkreech> uga|away: Like sendmail :)
[01:20] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: How come you don't hang out in #kde-games?
[01:20] <DaSkreech> manchicken: What are the new notification settings?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Ok caught up
[01:44] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Makes the system tray flash.
[01:44] <DaSkreech> manchicken: There is no System tray
[01:44] <manchicken> That's the problem :)
[01:44] <DaSkreech> manchicken: the old one used to do that
[01:45] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I took that off in feisty anyway and made the taskbar flash :) Alt+Ctrl+A for life!
[01:52] <nixternal> well, I guess all that is left now is to try and get the Jambi plugins for Eclipse to work, and to be able to build/run code from Eclipse
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: what are you going to be talking about in the Open week Kubuntu session?
[02:40] <DaSkreech> !ati
[02:40] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:53] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: Lost interest in kollagame a while back
[02:54] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: Shame :)
[02:54] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: Is it any where public?
[02:55] <CPrgmSwR2> other than in playground of kde no
[02:56] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: I have to put together an auction site for school which is probably going to take up a lot of my time now because I am not sure how many group members are going to beable to help
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Did you have any Design docs about it?
[02:57] <CPrgmSwR2> Sorta, they are pretty crapy though
[02:57] <CPrgmSwR2> Did you want to work on it?
[02:58] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: maybe the interest on it will pick up after the dust of KDE 4.0 has settled
[02:58] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: I'm kinda looking at working with mateedit right now
[02:59] <DaSkreech>  i still kinda try to drum up devs for you and trueg anytime I can :)
[02:59] <Jucato> oooh aseigo would love you if you're able to do a gobby for kde! :)
[02:59] <CPrgmSwR2> gobby?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> gobby?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: BTW... good morning
[03:00] <Jucato> morning nosrednaekim!
[03:00] <Jucato> collaborative text editior
[03:00] <Jucato> for GNOME
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> actually its 22:00 here ;)
[03:00] <Jucato> good evening then :)
[03:00] <CPrgmSwR2> 21:00 here
[03:01] <Jucato> 10:00 here
[03:02] <CPrgmSwR2> btw, I switched over to using kubuntu
[03:02] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> CPrgmSwR2: from what?
[03:03] <CPrgmSwR2> gentoo
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> ah... my brother swears by gentoo... seemed like too much work for me
[03:04] <Jucato> boo!
[03:04] <Jucato> j/k :)
[03:04] <Jucato> only the initial setup is difficult
[03:04] <CPrgmSwR2> nosrednaekim: I don'
[03:04] <Jucato> after that, you barely notice it
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: They have Philippine martial arts?
[03:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: sort of.
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: That's wht I'm trying to do :)
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: More like a gobby framework so that anything can embed it
[03:04] <CPrgmSwR2> nosrednaekim: I don't find it that much work to maintain in all, what happen was I was going to have to reformat my computer, and didn't feel like waiting 3 days to use it again
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No boo! mooo!
[03:05] <Jucato> DaSkreech: well at least you have katepart to start w/
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Jucato: That's where we are starting
[03:05] <DaSkreech> It's looking good. ... on paper :)
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Want to start playing with it in bytes soon
[03:06] <CPrgmSwR2> I read an artical that says kubuntu's installation system rocks but needs to improve its partittioner when users install kubuntu for the first time
[03:07] <Jucato> it's very much based on QtParted, which sort of sucks
[03:07] <DaSkreech> How do you improve a partitioner ?
[03:07] <Jucato> waiting for mhb's project
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Ep for a crowd of people who think that the Monitor is the computer
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> oooo whats MHB doing now?
[03:07] <DaSkreech> mhb: What?
[03:08] <CPrgmSwR2> Jucato: whats mhb's project
[03:08] <Jucato> well it mentions a frontend for pyparted
[03:08]  * Jucato looks it up
[03:09] <Jucato> it;s in blueprints
[03:10] <CPrgmSwR2> What package is XKBfile.h in
[03:10]  * Jucato points CPrgmSwR2 to the very useful http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:11] <Jucato> here we go: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPartitionManager
[03:11] <Jucato> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-partition-manager
[03:11] <Jucato> give it to mhb for tinking of really cool utilities (in Python of course...)
[03:12] <Jucato> s/give/leave/
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> yah
[03:16] <DaSkreech> !find xkbfile.h
[03:16] <ubotu> Package/file xkbfile.h does not exist in gutsy
[03:16] <Jucato> DaSkreech: find only looks for package names
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Hmm I recall being able to find files with it
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: doesn't kubuntu already have a partition editor?  or doesn't that do resizing..
[03:17] <Jucato> like the blueprint says, it's QtParted
[03:17] <Jucato> the installer uses QtParted too
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> ah.
[03:18] <Jucato> and compared to GParted, QtParted sucks
[03:22] <ScottK> Sounds like another let's have a common back end opportunity
[03:25] <DaSkreech> !info licq
[03:25] <ubotu> licq: ICQ client (base files). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.4-2 (gutsy), package size 627 kB, installed size 1952 kB
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Last update was a year ago :(
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> !info qlwm
[03:25] <ubotu> Package qlwm does not exist in gutsy
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> rats
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> interesting WM
[03:26] <Jucato> ScottK: hm.. not so convinced?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Umm They already have a common backend
[03:31] <DaSkreech> parted
[03:35] <Jucato> well, another backend backend... pyparted
[03:36] <DaSkreech> a frontbackend to the frontend of the backend?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> a middlend!
[03:36] <Jucato> :)
[03:41] <ScottK> OK.  Nevermind then.
[03:41]  * Jucato wonders what ScottK meant though...
[03:42]  * ScottK didn't know they already had a common backend.
[03:42] <Jucato> ah. but I think QtParted and GParted interfaced with parted differently. not 100% sure though
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Jucato: by now I'm guessing they must
[03:48] <Jucato> by now? if qtparted isn't maintained, it might be a bit behind...
[03:49] <DaSkreech> hasn't QTparted been abandonware for like 2 years now?
[03:56] <coreymon77> hey people
[03:56] <coreymon77> whats the  dpkg option for force overwrite
[03:56] <ScottK> coreymon77: Why do you think you need it?
[03:57] <coreymon77> ScottK: jucatos suggestion
[03:57] <coreymon77> ScottK: he suggested i do it to try and save my system after a upgrade messup
[03:58] <ScottK> OK.
[03:58] <Jucato> :)
[03:58] <coreymon77> ScottK: one particular package, sfs-server, is giving me problems
[03:58] <Jucato> show him the pastebins, he might know a better way
[03:58] <ScottK> Yes, please do?
[03:58]  * Jucato is hardly an expert
[04:00] <ScottK> coreymon77: I don't see your issue in the scrollback.  What's the exact problem?
[04:00] <coreymon77> ScottK: its in the kubuntu channel
[04:00] <ScottK> Ah.  I'm not there.
[04:00] <coreymon77> Jucato: which pastebin, there have been about 4
[04:00] <Jucato> the first one
[04:01] <Jucato> hi Lure :)
[04:01] <ScottK> coreymon77: Help is OK for this channel, so I'll PM you
[04:02] <Lure> hi Jucato
[04:03] <Jucato> Lure: your other nick got banned in #kde4-devel yesterday :)
[04:03] <Lure> Jucato: yep, bad internet in hotel
[04:04] <Lure> Jucato: wifi is better than wired ;-)
[04:04] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:04]  * Lure is staying in the same hotel as during uds-mtv ;-)
[04:04] <Jucato> quite amusing to you're the only one in the ban list :)
[04:11]  * n8k99 frequently has trouble with hotel internet
[04:16] <coreymon77> any reason why my ubuntu.com email adress still doesnt work
[04:19] <Hobbsee> because it's not set up yet?  because you broke it?  because you're not looking in the right place?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> those will do for a start
[04:20] <n8k99> is the next release called Harsh Hobbsee?
[04:20] <n8k99> :P
[04:21] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: its been over a month now
[04:21] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: and shouldnt it forward all the email sent to it to my primary emai
[04:21] <coreymon77> l
[04:22] <Hobbsee> n8k99: no.  but i'm somewhat sick of my boneheaded customers, so have less tolerance.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: what's your LP page/
[04:22] <n8k99> oh my!
[04:22] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: later, busy
[04:24] <Hobbsee> ...then why did you ask for help on it?
[04:24]  * Hobbsee shakes head.
[04:27]  * n8k99 takes back renaming joke
[04:27] <ScottK> Cause I thwapped him for trying to do two things at once while I'm helping him fix his borked system.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:34] <Hobbsee> i'd imagine it's kinda hard to bork a system for the final release, though
[04:34] <nixternal> hahahaha, we are doing a miniVector class right now in c++, and I wanted to search for info about vSize and vCapacity, and I found this:
[04:34] <nixternal> http://www.getacoder.com/projects/generate_random_number_16265.html
[04:34] <nixternal> that is someone who is doing the same project, but offering $20 to $100 to do it for him
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ROCK on!
[04:35] <Hobbsee> tax cheque came in :)
[04:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: He had an obscure and broken package installed.  We're getting back on track.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahhhh.  yay, crack.
[04:40] <ScottK> It was at least from the Ubuntu repos, not totally crackish (in theory anyway).
[04:40] <ScottK> Which reminds me I have a removal bug to write.
[04:41] <nixternal> ScottK: was it the Firefox 3.0 package?
[04:41] <ScottK> Unfortunately no.
[04:42] <nixternal> that has been a bugger one for updates, and the funny thing is, all signs point to gnomefreak
[04:42] <ScottK> One would have to have it installed to notice.
[04:42] <nixternal> I actually argued with a guy that he was using 3rd party repos at first
[04:42] <Jucato> ScottK: ooh kool that you're able to help him :)
[04:42] <nixternal> low and behold, it is right in ours
[04:42] <ScottK> Nope, it's our own crack.
[04:42] <nixternal> 90% of it is our own crack
[04:43] <Jucato> 93% I think :)
[04:43] <Jucato> :P
[04:43] <nixternal> although I have to say, Gutsy > than the rest so far, except for Intel HDA sound. If it were just for that, than Feisty would be the winner
[04:43] <ScottK> Jucato: Making progress.
[04:43] <BigPick> Wow... wait... what is wrong with Intel HDA?
[04:43] <nixternal> everything?
[04:44] <Jucato> I'd say I'm quite happy with the upgrade feedback so far. not so many problems as before
[04:44] <nixternal> notice how volume up and down don't work unless you remap your master channel to PCM for one
[04:44] <ScottK> Jucato: Hint for next time.  Errors like he had mean you have to get the program in question stopped and the system knowing it before it can be removed.
[04:44] <Jucato> ScottK: yeah I guessed so. I was guessing it was in /etc/inti.d/ though
[04:44] <nixternal> Trolltech needs to learn how to setup mailing lists
[04:44] <ScottK> It was.
[04:45] <Jucato> ScottK: but I did ask him to look in there
[04:45] <ScottK> OK.  Just saying.   No trouble.
[04:45] <BigPick> Oh wait... sorry, I'm using a different compile of the intel hda module, which aparently means I have nothing to worry about.
[04:45] <Jucato> he never said it was. otherwise I would have told  him to sudo /etc/init.d/sfs-server stop (if that's the script's name)
[04:46]  * Jucato goes sulk in the corner... no helpersnack for me today...
[04:49]  * Jucato is amused at some users who are either not using kubuntu or don't like/recommend kubuntu at all, but still help in the channel... :)
[04:50]  * Jucato will probably eat his own words some time soon
[04:57]  * n8k99 starts roasting Jucato`s words so he does have to eat them raw
[04:58] <Jucato> dont' roast it yet... I'll have to put it in the freezer first
[04:58] <Jucato> gonna be a loooong time
[04:58] <n8k99> heehe
[04:58] <Jucato> brb.. added new group...
[05:02] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:02] <BigPick> You all wouldn't happen to have a opinions on libtorrent or libtutil for torrent client programming?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:02] <DaSkreech> You were right :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hm?
[05:11] <DaSkreech> People upgrading then asking for stuff in Kubuntu then looking hard at using Ubuntu instead
[05:12] <n8k99> DaSkreech: like what?
[05:12] <Jucato> compiz-fusion?  :)
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee had the list you can ask her :)
[05:12] <n8k99> ah~ yes
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ah yes.
[05:12] <Jucato> I have some: compiz-fusion, printing setup, bulletproof X, GUI X config tool
[05:12] <n8k99> you have list Hobbsee?
[05:13] <BigPick> HAHA, The apocalyptica song "Fatal Error" just came up on Amarok. I hope that is not a forshadowing.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i think i did
[05:18] <DaSkreech> n8k99: And what Jucato said
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...compiz :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> seems slow, though.
[05:19] <n8k99> DaSkreech: saw that
[05:19] <DaSkreech> My main solace is that Kubuntu seem to go smoother than Ubuntu ones
[05:19] <Hobbsee> less packages to upgrade, i suspect
[05:19]  * n8k99 tried compiz got a headache
[05:20] <BigPick> 0.o well that is a pleasent surprise
[05:21] <ScottK> I've got Gutsy on my laptop and Dapper still on my Desktop.  I finally feel like it's compelling to upgrade.
[05:21] <ScottK> We're about to do a major computer shuffle, so I'll move up then.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> n8k99: yeah, only parts of it are good.  *shrug*
[05:22] <Hobbsee> like, expose
[05:22] <n8k99> likes the way the OSD arrives and the widows close
[05:23] <n8k99> i guess i`d have to give it a really serious time frame for real testing
[05:24]  * Hobbsee ponders making her kubuntu partition bootable again
[05:24] <n8k99> ha
[05:28]  * n8k99 wants to enable the touchscreen on this computer
[05:32] <Hobbsee> right.  should boot now
[05:33] <n8k99> yummy!
[05:33] <Hobbsee> should.  if i havent screwed up the UUIDs
[05:33] <n8k99> ah you`re Hobbsee you never make mistakes
[05:34] <Hobbsee> oh, i sometimes do
[05:34]  * ScottK knows the feeling.  UUIDs are fun like that.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i changed the partitions around somewhat, so...
[05:34] <ScottK> Just to heighten the fun factor.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> yup
[05:37]  * DaSkreech rubs tuchus 
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah sometimes she does miss the mark.....
[05:53] <n8k99> Jucato: are you in #kubuntu?
[05:53] <DaSkreech> nope
[05:54] <n8k99> oh- nvrmnd
[05:55] <Jucato> why?
[05:56]  * Jucato stepped outside
[05:56] <n8k99> uxhan is using language that seems to be from your region
[05:56] <n8k99> just wondering if we can point them off crrecty
[05:57] <Jucato> ah Indonesia.
[05:57] <n8k99> s.uchan.uxhan
[05:57] <Jucato> close, but not quite
[05:57] <Jucato> !id
[05:57] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[05:57]  * Jucato doesn't speak any Asian language other than his own
[05:58] <n8k99> thanks-
[05:58]  * n8k99 does speak any Asian languages other thanhis own either
[05:58] <n8k99> :P
[06:00] <DaSkreech> !ph
[06:00] <ubotu> Join #ubuntu-ph for tagalog
[06:00] <DaSkreech> I can read that one^^^
[06:00]  * DaSkreech ducks the mighty troutslap of Jucato
[06:01] <Jucato> :)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> The included GNOME desktop also looks amazing, although I'm sure hardcore GNOME lovers will argue it just makes it look like KDE ;)
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: on what?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> opensuse 10.3
[06:34] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: try opensuse next!!
[06:35] <DaSkreech> With Gnome!
[06:35] <DaSkreech> or rather
[06:35] <Jucato> I'm trying it on my lappy before I finally fut Kubuntu once and for all
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Now with Gnome!
[06:35] <Hobbsee> maybe.  i do actually have a kde version of it sittign on my HD (the live cd)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: fut?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Fut?
[06:35] <Jucato> put!
[06:35] <Jucato> darn
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Put down ?
[06:37] <Jucato> put/install
[06:38] <Hobbsee> OTOH, the default theme for edubuntu is also nice - that red. and fits in better wiht kde
[06:48] <DaSkreech> edubuntu-desktop-kde ?
[06:55]  * ScottK2 is trying the new gimp for the first time.  
[06:56] <ScottK2> Very scary.  Way more choices than 1. I need.  2.  I can handle at 2AM.
[07:01] <ScottK2> Time for bed.  Good night all.
[07:01] <Jucato> night ScottK!
[07:01] <Jucato> night ScottK2!
[07:02] <ScottK2> Heh.
[07:02] <ScottK2> Good day (I guess for you).
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Yay for freezes!
[07:20] <Hobbsee> hm?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:20]  * Jucato should start calling DaSkreech as DaFreeze
[07:23] <DaSkreech> I really need to stop checking the time
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Or figure out how to get katapult to tell me
[07:23] <mhb> so is opensuses KDE any better than ours?
[07:23] <mhb> it seems like everyone except me tested it now :o)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> mhb!
[07:25] <DaSkreech> What this you are doing with partitions?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> mhb: :P
[07:25] <Hobbsee> mhb: i've not tested it yet.  only gnome.
[07:26] <mhb> DaSkreech: you mean my plan to hack a decent parition editor for KDE?
[07:26] <mhb> or partition manager, call it as you like
[07:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: ah, well let me know if you plan to test the KDE, too :o)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: ie, ubuntu.  not suse
[07:28] <Hobbsee> i still havent developed insanity so far as goign to rpm's
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:30] <mhb> Hobbsee: hehe. RPMs are not that evil, especially when you dont care about whats going on inside .o)
[07:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> hm
[07:30] <Hobbsee> maybe
[07:30] <Hobbsee> there are a lot of good reasons to stay with *ubuntu...and not just the ones that you might first think of
[07:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: that is true, and also the main reason why I havent tested any suse yet :o)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Suse is pretty :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Is there a 64 bit build for the Kopete fix?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> and a powerpc link while I'm at it :)
[07:37]  * DaSkreech ties up imbrandon
[07:38] <Jucato> if you could :)
[09:17] <hunger_t> Yahoo! Gutsy updates!
[09:18]  * Jucato feels hungry...
[09:18] <hunger> Jucato: I hope that is not because of me.
[09:18] <Jucato> actually it was triggered :)
[09:43] <freeflying> http://linuxfire.com.cn/~freeflying/video/sfd07_en.ogg
[10:03] <fdoving> dolphin doesn't handle imaging devices.. when i plug in my camera and click the desktop icon it says 'The file or folder / does not exist',  opening with konqueror works.
[10:37] <Riddell> hunger: what's the updates
[10:37] <Riddell> ?
[10:39] <hunger> Riddell: Mostly gnome stuff, kdelibs as well.
[10:40] <Riddell> so it's not just us who have bugs :)
[10:41] <Jucato> do they have more? :D
[10:45] <mhb> Riddell: hello, do you happen to know where the kdm theme SVGs are stored?
[10:48] <hunger> Hmmm... is it possible that kdesu does not change the $HOME var?
[10:48] <hunger> I think that might be why all of a sudden I have root-owned files in my homedir.
[10:49] <hunger> which is really nice since e.g. ~user/.gnupg/pubring.gpg was overwritten by one owned by root. So my keys are gone now.
[10:49]  * Jucato thinks it's a bug... not sure if reported already
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: apt:/yakuake now installs yakuake ;)
[10:49] <Jucato> hunger: better ask Tonio_ :D
[10:50] <Jucato> Tonio_: koolness! :)
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only problem I have is that ioslaves are designed to use apt:/ and not apt:// urls
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to find out how the all is parsed, but I didn't find yet
[10:50] <Tonio_> "apt:/yakuake, kuake" also works btw
[10:50] <hunger> Tonio_: Any idea why ~user/.gnupg/pubring.gpg was overwritten by one owned by root. It does contain the automatix key now, nothing else. automatix used kdesu to make me root and then did import a key.
[10:51] <Tonio_> hunger: which kdesu version ?
[10:51] <hunger> Tonio_: I am on gutsy... dunno which one is in there.
[10:51] <Tonio_> hunger: with kdesudo ~ is the user profile, with standard kdesu then /root is the root profile
[10:52] <Tonio_> hunger: hum strange
[10:52] <Tonio_> maybe some automatics specifics I don't know
[10:52] <Tonio_> I never saw that problem
[10:52]  * jpatrick wonders how he wrecked katapult..
[10:52] <hunger> Hmm. I think I must reinstall automatix2 (which sucks by the way) and try to figure out what it does exactly.
[10:53] <hunger> I thought this might be related to the "fix admin-mode in kcontrol to look good" thingy.
[10:54]  * hunger had to fall back to his backups twice already since upgrading to gutsy. OK, first time round I was stupid:-)
[10:57] <jpatrick> Jucato: that fasttrack program had some good code
[10:58] <Jucato> jpatrick: I hoped so. any chance of um... you know... merging? :)
[10:58]  * Jucato is unsure of Mez's opinion...
[10:59] <Jucato> but I have gotten the impression that the guy who made fast track sort of lost hope of getting it into the main branch
[10:59] <jpatrick> I've only merged the amarokcatalog-thingy, I tried to do it myself, looked at his code and saw that I'd done bits of what he did
[11:00] <Jucato> I haven't peeked at his documentcatalog code...
[11:00] <Jucato> btw, those two catalog codes are scary :)
[11:00] <Jucato> never saw so many nested if's in my life
[11:00] <jpatrick> Mez hasn't merged my code either :|
[11:01] <Jucato> well... :(
[11:01] <jpatrick> so I made my own branch
[11:02] <Jucato> good :)
[11:02] <jpatrick> now, if it ever gets released.. no idea
[11:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: I expect the difference between :/ and :// is reading the URL hostname against the URL path
[11:14] <Riddell> mhb: the kdm theme SVGs will be on kwwii's hard disk
[11:14] <Riddell> would be nice to have them in the sources indeed
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: but if I change this, it means I have to fix the all kio-apt to work with //
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: better finding a tweak so that apt:// is converted to apt:/ internally I suspect
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw I may have the clue for this
[11:16] <Tonio_> hunger: your problem might be a problem between automatix and kdesudo then, I'd say automatix bug since it should never, even for root, replace the pubring file
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw some people complaining that basket doesn't integrate with kdepim with kdelibs 3.5.8
[11:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: any plan to also fix this with the coming update ?
[11:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: no plans for that
[11:20] <Riddell> it crashes the gutsy kdepim
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: the fix crashes kdepim ?
[11:21] <hunger> And even in the old versions it never really worked well. Dragging stuff into basket-in-kdepim e.g. never worked properly.
[11:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: basket kontact integration did
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: due to enterprise release, right
[11:22] <hunger> Tonio_: The guys working at it do not care about others integrating into kdepim:-(
[11:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[11:23] <hunger> Tonio_: I was told not to bother even trying kdepim integration of kcall for kde4.
[11:24] <Tonio_> hunger: :/
[11:25] <hunger> But then they claimed Kontact is dead in kde4 anyway. They will support it, yada, yada indefinitely, but it is dead anyway, to be replaced with some yet-to-be-thought-out app (probably without offering integration).
[11:25] <Riddell> hmm, really?
[11:26] <hunger> Riddell: That was what they told me when I asked on #kdepim about kcall integration.
[11:26]  * hunger shrugs.
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> hello, is it possible to get krita installed by default? or at least SOME image editor
[12:45]  * Hobbsee thougth we had one
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> just gwenview
[12:47] <marseillai> we should have kolourpaint
[12:47] <jpatrick> funny, I hadn't noticed this
[12:48] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: we did have krita but took it out for space reasons
[12:48] <marseillai> Riddell: kolourpaint could make it. no ?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok. thats too bad.
[12:49] <Riddell> marseillai: I'm not sure I see much point, it's a toy app
[12:49] <marseillai> it's for basic picture editing
[12:49] <marseillai> but it does 95% of the common need
[12:50] <marseillai> it does 200% of my needs...
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: found the solution to deal with //
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that sounds a bit hackish.......
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/1748
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that nice enough for you ? I consider this very hackish, ut that just works in fact
[13:01] <jpatrick> Tonio_: nice site! :)
[13:01] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hehe, thanks :)
[13:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: that looks fine
[13:01] <Tonio_> jpatrick: also I'm not blogging as much as I should
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: everything works except implementation of apt+http protocol now
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I can do it myself
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hopefully I'll have finish before the uds
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: then you can show it during the bof
[13:03] <Riddell> formidable
[13:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a doc arround the ubuntu apt protocol somewhere ?
[13:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: a spec I imagine
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: i'll have a look
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: well everything is notperfect atm, for example it doesn't check if the app is already installed before installing, but those tests can be done easilly
[13:09]  * Hobbsee starts unsubscribing from kde bugmail
[13:11] <Riddell> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/single-click-install is the future one, dunno where the gutsy one is
[13:21] <Hobbsee> right.  less bugmail!
[13:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: super, thanks
[13:52] <bobesponja> hey
[13:53] <bobesponja> do you plan to make updates to kde4 packages new releases come out for gutsy or do we have to use kubuntu+1 ?
[13:55] <Hobbsee> likely, as the snapshots come out
[14:15] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hi, did you complete your kthinkbat package?
[14:15] <uga> bobesponja: no, kde4 packages will be broken till the next kubuntu release :P (joking)
[14:26] <bobesponja> uga: I hope we'll be able to start a session with RC1 :)
[14:27] <uga> bobesponja: chew this words: you really don't want to run it anyway
[14:27] <uga> =)
[14:27] <bobesponja> uga: it runs fine on opensuse
[14:28] <uga> bobesponja: you really don't want to run it != it doesn't run
[14:28] <uga> not same thing
[14:31] <bobesponja> uga: I meant it runs fine enough on opensuse for me wanting to run it, as you said I wouldn't want to run it anyway
[14:32] <nosredna_ekim> ScottK: I see that you wrote RestrictedManagerCommon, I was wondering how hard it would be to add a feature..
[14:33] <nosredna_ekim> ScottK: ooops never mind... wrong Scott
[14:33]  * nosredna_ekim blushes and hides under a rock
[16:24] <jeroenvrp> I am trying to understand bug 144722 , I have a few questions
[16:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144722 in kdesudo "kdesu leads to no permission for X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144722
[16:25] <jeroenvrp> the default permissions of .ICEauthority and .Xauthority are 600
[16:26] <jeroenvrp> when I change that to 644 or I do a xhost +localhost , I can do kdesudo -u user whatever
[16:26] <jeroenvrp> allthough kde-apps does not work yet with this solution, because dcop refuses to work
[16:27] <jeroenvrp> is it default that k/ububuntu does not allow X from localhost?
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> !ping mhb
[16:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping mhb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[16:53] <Jucato> that's better :)
[16:54] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[16:54] <coreymon77> ScottK: hey
[16:55] <coreymon77> ScottK: complete success!
[16:55] <coreymon77> i really like gutsy
[16:55] <coreymon77> and dolphin is super shiny!
[16:56] <Jucato> you'll like the real dolphin even more!
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> yeah... the KDE4 version is actually nice
[16:57] <Jucato> 5x better :)
[16:57] <ScottK> coreymon77: Great.
[16:58] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77: bet you're glad that ordeal is over
[16:58] <Jucato> coreymon77: sorry I wasn't to be of any help at all :(
[16:59] <ScottK> coreymon77: Using the first pastebin you showed me last night, please file a bug against the sfs-server for not stopping correctly during an upgrade.
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> uhhg I need mhb for my restricted-manager-cli any clue where he is?
[17:21] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: yes i am
[17:21] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: i kept all my files too
[17:29] <snikker> i'm upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 as explained on the web site, but the install trocess is blocked at "libxaux6" config step. what can i do?
[17:29] <snikker> *process
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> snikker: this is adpet-updater?
[17:32] <Riddell> snikker: what happens if you show the console?
[17:32] <snikker> nosrednaekim: yes, i've uded adept
[17:32] <snikker> *used
[17:32] <snikker> nosrednaekim: the console run as usually
[17:33] <snikker> Riddell: the console run as usually
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> snikker: I think Riddell means the console in adept updater
[17:34]  * nosrednaekim has never used it though, so that may have been totally dumb
[17:35] <snikker> Riddell: if i click "show the console" buttun, i can only see a gray square...
[17:35] <snikker> *button
[17:38] <Riddell> that could well be the problem
[17:39] <Riddell> can you put the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrader somewhere?
[17:41] <snikker> Riddell: ok, just a moment
[17:52]  * Tonio_ would like to find testers for the kio-apt !!
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested ?
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: sure..
[17:52] <nosrednaekim> where do I get it?
[17:52] <Jucato> Tonio_: you should get a PPA :)
[17:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: I prefer to have my own repository :)
[17:53] <Jucato> hehe I thought so :)
[17:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: but yeah a ppa might be of any use :)
[17:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: especially since I can't build outside of i386 context :)
[17:53] <Jucato> :D
[17:53] <Tonio_> Jucato: I promiss to activate my ppa tomorrow :)
[17:53] <Jucato> hahaha :P
[17:54] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/kio-apt_0.13.2-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:54] <Tonio_> Jucato: btw I already activated it, just that I didn't configure my dput for it :)
[17:54] <Tonio_> shame on me
[17:54] <Tonio_> my problem is the lack of space on it
[17:54] <Tonio_> ppa + apt-mirror + an archiving script might do the job I guess
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: ah! AMD64 strikes again!
[17:54] <Jucato> and lack of total control :)
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: beter get that PPA ;)
[17:55] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: okay I promiss to do it tomorrow
[17:55] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim, Jucato:atm I suspect I have to leave the computer if I still wanna have a girlfriend tomorrow :)
[17:55] <Jucato> Tonio_: go!!!
[17:55] <Jucato> now!!
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> how hard is it to add one file to a .deb package?
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> haha
[17:56] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: hush! let him leave/live
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> i'm not talking to him... i'm taling to you..
[17:56]  * claydoh has an empty ppa, awaiting the birth of his packaging skills
[17:57]  * Jucato has a virtual ppa, packaging skills hasn't been fermented yet
[17:57] <Dekans> Riddell: have you seen the gdebi-kde entries on LP ?
[17:57] <claydoh> kmymoney2 cvs has some amazing things going on, think it would be a good thing to build
[17:58] <claydoh> actually my skills have not only 8not* been born, they haven't even been *conceived* yet ;)
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> i'm planning on learning in on OpenWeek
[17:58] <claydoh> I just need to read a bit ithink
[17:59] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... I read the PDF.. and I _think_ I understand it..
[17:59] <claydoh> when i have my knee operastion, I will be out of work for 2 weeks or so so that should keep me from getting bored
[18:00] <claydoh> that and our flyball club's website's migration from Frontpage to something not fronpage
[18:00] <claydoh> should be fun
[18:02] <Riddell> Dekans: entries?
[18:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I need to go out I'm afraid
[18:03] <Riddell> snikker: I can't really see anything wrong there, it just stops
[18:03] <Riddell> snikker: what version of kdelibs do you have installed?
[18:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem :)
[18:05] <Dekans> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/153943
[18:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,New]
[18:05] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonio/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[18:05] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: the package will come out toonight
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: that was fast!
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: your GF awaits ;)
[18:05] <Dekans> there is no status but it's anoying for kubuntu :/
[18:06] <Jucato> Tonio_: why are you still here?!?!
[18:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: cause I negociated very hard :)
[18:07] <Tonio_> Jucato: this time I'm leaving
[18:07] <Jucato> lol
[18:07] <Tonio_> btw just use the ppa and let me know
[18:08] <Tonio_> there are still bugs but it globally works
[18:08] <Tonio_> http://yeknan.free.fr/blog/index.php?2007/10/18/189-jeux-sous-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon
[18:08] <Tonio_> here is a page with lots of links
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:09] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: if you cancel adept-batch durring the download, it'll tell you that the package installed successfuly -> consider this normal :)
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> I just DL things normally and dpkg -i them
[18:10] <Tonio_> I also have to configure konqueror to consider apt:// links as sane and secure
[18:10] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: if you know how to do it, please let me know :)à
[18:11] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: on that page, once my kio-apt is installed, just click on an apt:// link
[18:11] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: everything should just install automatically
[18:11] <snikker> Riddell: i've kdelibs used by default in feisty...
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: oh.. you mean in apt:/
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> ok
[18:11] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: yep
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: ok
[18:13] <Tonio_> Jucato: feel free to test too :)
[18:13] <Tonio_> this time I'm gone, going to a french restaurant toonight :)
[18:13] <Tonio_> have fun !
[18:13] <Jucato> I'll prolly do it tomorrow. a bit intoxicated :)
[18:13] <Jucato> you too!
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> knowing Jucato.... he has already found an obscure bug :)
[18:14] <snikker> Riddell: can i kill the apdater?
[18:14] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: yeah. "doesn't install when not downloaded" :)
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> lol
[18:29] <rohan> in kubuntu 7.10 i don't get OSD when i use the volume keys on my laptop .. any suggestions / solutions ?
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> rohan: does the volume change?
[18:30] <rohan> nosrednaekim: yes
[18:30] <rohan> the volume changes and mutes properly
[19:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gutsy upgrader worked fine here, automatically through adept.
[19:37] <claydoh> is the original kde search applet still availalable?
[19:39] <Jucato> claydoh: which one?
[19:39] <Jucato> (and yes, I'm in overtime...)
[19:40] <claydoh> the non-strigi thing, the normal find files/folders applet
[19:40] <claydoh> can't think of the applets name
[19:40] <claydoh> and Jucato
[19:40] <Jucato> locate:/
[19:40] <claydoh> GO TO BED
[19:40] <Jucato> after I answer your question
[19:40] <claydoh> :)_
[19:40] <Jucato> oh you mean KFind?
[19:40] <Jucato> it should be there, "kfind"
[19:41] <claydoh> heh it was it :)
[19:41] <claydoh> I fell less smart now :)
[19:41] <Jucato> :)
[19:41] <Jucato> heheh
[19:41] <claydoh> thanks
[19:42] <Jucato> sure
[19:42]  * Jucato celebrates, I helped claydoh!!!
[19:42] <claydoh> why celebrate?
[19:43] <claydoh> I know where to go for answers :)
[19:43] <claydoh> so you should feel 'used'
[19:43] <claydoh> now go to bed!
[19:45] <stdin> Jucato: take a look :) http://www.stdin.me.uk/kde4/
[19:46] <Jucato> hehe kool
[19:46] <Jucato> I didn't take a screenshot of my amarok
[19:46] <Jucato> this is the only one I have: http://jucato.org/kde/booyah.png
[19:46] <stdin> a screenshot is about all you can do with amarok right now :p
[19:46] <Jucato> nah, I could play amarok
[19:47] <Jucato> I just couldn't see which song I was playing :)
[19:47] <Jucato> anyway, off to bed
[19:47] <stdin> I'm glad I'm not the only one with that little systray bug
[19:52] <_StefanS_> stdin: is your desktop in kde4 slow as hell too?
[19:52] <stdin> no, seems fine to me
[19:52] <fdoving> kde4 is slow as hell if compiled from svn. all the debuging things makes it slow.
[19:53] <stdin> can't say I've noticed to being that bad
[19:54] <_StefanS_> stdin: well I'm waiting ~20 seconds for all desktop related stuff on an overclocked quad.
[19:55] <stdin> I've noticed it can take a while for it to rebuild the system config files
[19:55] <fdoving> it will be faster when it's finished/ready/released.
[19:55] <fdoving> qt4 got some nice features for speed.
[19:55] <_StefanS_> ah I know
[19:56] <_StefanS_> I'm looking forward to all that flickering going away
[19:58] <fdoving> yep,
[20:02] <_StefanS_> seems like there's a bug in dolphin..
[20:03] <_StefanS_> (another one.)
[20:04] <_StefanS_> opening a folder as root makes your bookmarks.xml owned by root in your home folder
[20:05] <fdoving> how do you execute the root-dolphin?
[20:09] <fdoving> Riddell: around?
[20:11] <fdoving> looks like all guidance kcm modules got some languages wrong.
[20:12] <fdoving> in a norwegian install the guidance kcm modules appear in some chinese/asian language.
[20:15] <annma> hi people
[20:15] <fdoving> hi.
[20:15] <annma> I have a KUbuntu user in #kde who claims that kdesu <kapp> will save the config in the user config dir with root rights
[20:16] <annma> when there was no config file previously
[20:16] <annma> if so it would be a KUbuntu bug but somehow I doubt so
[20:17] <fdoving> it's probably a kdesudo bug.
[20:17] <annma> he runs kdesu
[20:17] <annma> in kubuntu it's the same?
[20:17] <fdoving> kdesudo is diverting kdesu in gutsy.
[20:18] <fdoving> yes.
[20:18] <annma> so known gutsy bug?
[20:18] <fdoving> i'm not sure it
[20:18] <fdoving> s known.
[20:18] <annma> well it's big
[20:18] <fdoving> yep.
[20:18] <annma> the user then cannot save anything
[20:18] <claydoh> where do network Folders info get stored? I cannot find where they are hiding
[20:19] <fdoving> _StefanS_: still here? - didn't you experience this same thing just now, with dolphin?
[20:19] <annma> will you patch that???
[20:20] <fdoving> annma: i'll poke someone to have a look. thanks
[20:20] <_StefanS_> fdoving: it was a user that pointed that out to me, let me get him in here
[20:20] <annma> I cannot believe that
[20:20] <fdoving> i confirmed the issue with 'kdesudo dolphin' in a fresh kubuntu gutsy isntall.
[20:20] <fdoving> it's evil.
[20:21] <_StefanS_> dolphin should just go away IMHO.
[20:21] <annma> absolutely
[20:21] <annma> whatever _StefanS_
[20:21] <annma> it's not a dolphin issue
[20:21] <_StefanS_> annma: whatever what?
[20:21] <claydoh> in regards to my bug #155051
[20:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155051 in kdebase "[GUTSY] Kubuntu Network Folders truncates long login name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155051
[20:21] <fdoving> _StefanS_: it's kdesudo, it's broken.
[20:21] <fdoving> behaves just like 'sudo app'
[20:21] <ndrea> I've removed Doplphin because I had always a bug
[20:22] <ndrea> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/136458
[20:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136458 in dolphin "dolphin not able to save bookmarks after using "open as root" option" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:22] <fdoving> that's also a kdesudo issue.
[20:22] <fdoving> i guess.
[20:22] <_StefanS_> fdoving: doesn't kdesudo use sudo, and thus should be just as good as regular sudo (?)
[20:23] <fdoving> _StefanS_: yeah, except it won't work with out changing the environment to a root one.
[20:23] <annma> I'll talk about all these problems in the UDS in Boston
[20:23] <annma> I happen to be invited there
[20:23] <mayeco> launchpad but ·155032
[20:23] <mayeco> #155032
[20:25] <stdin> I can't read bug 155032 it's marked as private
[20:25] <ubotu> Bug 155032 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/155032 is private
[20:25] <mayeco> go now
[20:25] <mayeco> gooo!
[20:26] <mayeco> annma: http://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[20:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in meta-kde "kdesu ownership change" [Undecided,New]
[20:26] <annma> thanks mayeco
[20:27] <mayeco> xD
[20:28] <fdoving> annma: you can tell him to remove the kdesudo package to fix this for now.
[20:29] <mayeco> ?
[20:29] <annma> fdoving: you mean the user?
[20:29] <fdoving> annma: yes.
[20:30] <annma> he is there, he is mayeco
[20:30] <fdoving> ah.
[20:30] <fdoving> ok.
[20:30] <mayeco> i'm here!
[20:30] <mayeco> hello!
[20:30] <fdoving> mayeco: you can remove the kdesudo package to work around this issue for now.
[20:30] <mayeco> ok
[20:31] <mayeco> sudo apt-get remove kdesudo
[20:31] <mayeco> ?
[20:31] <fdoving> yes.
[20:31] <mayeco> exec
[20:31] <mayeco> and now?
[20:32] <mayeco> heyyy yes
[20:32] <fdoving> now you don't have the broken kdesudo anymore, and won't experience this breakage.
[20:32] <mayeco> now I see the kate app with the root settings
[20:32] <mayeco> nice nice
[20:32] <mayeco> hahahahhahaa
[20:32] <mayeco> now we have to tell everybody to remove that package
[20:33] <stdin> why exactly is it a security bug?
[20:33] <mayeco> why!!!!!!!
[20:33] <mayeco> for me is a security bug
[20:33] <stdin> yes, why, as in, for what reason?
[20:33] <stdin> what security hole does it open?
[20:34] <fdoving> it's a reverse security bug.
[20:34] <stdin> and under what circumstances can it be exploited?
[20:34] <fdoving> it restricts access :)
[20:34] <mayeco> fdoving: what is restrictes access?
[20:35] <mayeco> stdin: well I think this is a open discution about is or not a security bug
[20:35] <fdoving> mayeco: it's not a security issue, it's a permission issue.
[20:35] <mayeco> yes
[20:35] <fdoving> not exploitable.
[20:35] <stdin> mayeco: the thing is I don't see why, so I need you to explain it to me
[20:36] <mayeco> mmmm
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[20:36] <fdoving> i'll patch kdesudo.
[20:36] <mayeco> stdin: I dont think this is a good thing
[20:37] <fdoving> mayeco: it's not, but it's not security related as the private-checkbox in launchpad refers to.
[20:37] <stdin> mayeco: yes, it's a bug, those aren't normally good ;)  but is it a security bug?
[20:37] <mayeco> really I dont care is a security bug or not
[20:37] <mayeco> but is a big bug
[20:37] <mayeco> do you want me to change to a normal bug?
[20:37] <fdoving> yes please.
[20:37] <mayeco> ok!!
[20:38] <mayeco> done
[20:38] <mayeco> http://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[20:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed]
[20:39] <mayeco> fdoving, stdin: done!!!
[20:39] <fdoving> thanks.
[20:40] <mayeco> I do _not_ want to fight
[20:41] <mayeco> I want to help
[20:41] <mayeco> xD
[20:42] <fdoving> building a patched package now. let's hope it works.
[20:57] <jjesse> afternoon
[20:59] <jjesse> so can i change my sources to hardy yet :P
[21:01] <fdoving> ugh, i have a bad feeling about this kdesudo mess,  patching it to set a new $HOME makes other kind of issues,like connecting to X as another user etc.
[21:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: around?
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: he's out with his GF
[21:02] <stdin> it's related to bug 132245
[21:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132245 in kdesudo "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-privat" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132245
[21:02] <fdoving> and friends.
[21:02] <fdoving> yes.
[21:02] <fdoving> it's kdesudo, completely useless piece of crap.
[21:03] <fdoving> which will break much once users start to use konqueror and more commonly used apps as root.
[21:03] <fdoving> as it will take over the homedir of the user.
[21:03] <fdoving> all configs will be owned by root.
[21:04] <fdoving> i can't belive this is happening, we've been giving warnings about using sudo directly with konqueror and other graphical kde apps for years, and now we manage to put an app in that does exactly that.
[21:04] <fdoving> and release it.
[21:13] <mayeco> fdoving: what is more crazy is that after 4 or 5 test cd's nobody see this
[21:13] <fdoving> most users rarely run graphical apps as root with kdesudo
[21:13] <fdoving> that's why.
[21:14] <mayeco> yep
[21:15] <jjesse> hmmm building kde4 on my main laptop
[21:16] <_StefanS_> yep I never saw it either
[21:16] <_StefanS_> (kdesudo problem..)
[21:16] <fdoving> i have a patched version, but it's not solved, as my workaround does need access to X.
[21:17] <fdoving> either xhost local:
[21:17] <fdoving> or some iceauth magic.
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> yech
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> what in the world was wrong with kdesu anyway? it didn't play nice with sudo?
[21:18] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: sometimes it didnt work
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... I remember that :)
[21:18] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: like the dialog not appearing and stuff (that the things I've seen with it)
[21:18] <_StefanS_> maybe there was some other stuff aswell
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> i've been on gutsy a little too long ;)
[21:19] <_StefanS_> oh jeez I hate osCommerce
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[21:53] <WaltzingAlong> fdoving: know your audience?
[21:53] <fdoving> hm?
[21:55] <WaltzingAlong> (referring to warnings about using sudo with gui apps)
[21:55] <WaltzingAlong> some just know they cannot do things windows let them do and sudo is the way to let them do whatever so then they do that and it works
[21:59] <fdoving> WaltzingAlong: right, that's what kdesudo/ kdesu is for, it should do that properly, but it doesn't.
[22:00] <WaltzingAlong> sure but users can still use sudo <guiapp> without problems (for that particular instance) and the issue is then that users are using things they should not? so then either the system could be changed to not allow that. or have i misunderstood and kdesudo/kdesu already do that (ie when sudo guiapp is called, kdesu actually is used?)
[22:01] <fdoving> no, you're righ.
[22:01] <fdoving> no, you're righit will work.
[22:01] <fdoving> and it should.
[22:01] <fdoving> we can't make it impossible to do stupid things.
[22:02] <WaltzingAlong> so then it becomes a training issue? letting them know how to use the things they should use? is there a problem running kdesu cliapp from konsole? obviously that would not work from a terminal without access to a DISPLAY, right?
[22:03] <fdoving> i'll get back to you in a few. kid woke up.hang on.
[22:06] <fdoving> we've been telling users to use kdesu for graphical apps and sudo for cli apps for years.
[22:06] <fdoving> now after gutsy it doesn't really matter because kdesu will break in the same way sudo does.
[22:07] <fdoving> if kdesudo is installed.
[22:07] <WaltzingAlong> i see so the errors before of having used sudo guiapp will not show anymore with kdesudo installed?
[22:08] <fdoving> that's the problem,  they will be cause kdesudo is broken.
[22:09] <WaltzingAlong> i see. so what does (the) a solution look like?
[22:09] <fdoving> don't know yet, trying to hack something together.
[22:09] <fdoving> a temp fix is to remove the kdesudo package.
[22:09] <fdoving> reverintg to plain kdesu.
[22:11] <WaltzingAlong> and ideal would be that users use sudo for cli and kdesu (gksu) for gui? or that plus something else too
[22:11] <fdoving> that would be ok.
[22:13] <WaltzingAlong> and better would be that this technicality was covered by another layer of abstraction so the grandmothers of the world could install kubuntu 8.04? :D
[22:13] <fdoving> yeah,  some autodetection magic, which would give you a graphical ui if there was a display available.
[22:14] <fdoving> but that is kind of useless as there usually will be, and the ones with a console only will probably need to know their way around the console commandss anyway.
[22:15] <WaltzingAlong> i think there are plenty of (would be) users that would prefer gui only
[22:15] <WaltzingAlong> has it not seemed that way with each release?
[22:18] <WaltzingAlong> so perhaps the (a) solution could consider that more gui-only (or gui-native) people would be using kubuntu
[22:23] <WaltzingAlong> anyway, good work and thanks :D
[22:23] <Riddell> fdoving: pong
[22:23] <Riddell> annma, mayeco: yes, kdesudo needs to be fixed to set $HOME to something better
[22:24] <fdoving> Riddell: i'm trying to hack kdesudo to use the -H flag to sudo, and set XAUTHORITY to $INVOKING-USER-HOME/.Xauthority - is that sane?
[22:25] <Riddell> fdoving: that seems sensible
[22:25] <Riddell> let me know how you get on
[22:25] <fdoving> i will.
[22:26] <mayeco> Riddell: yep!!!!!!!!!!
[22:26] <mayeco> you know
[22:26] <mayeco> my /root is empty
[22:26] <annma> Riddell: why is this patched from KDE?
[22:27] <mayeco> ahhh no no!! sorry
[22:27] <mayeco> yes why.....
[22:28] <annma> why not keep kdesu from KDE?
[22:29] <fdoving> it often failed.
[22:29] <annma> how come?
[22:30] <annma> if it's buggy from KDE it should be improved in KDE
[22:30] <fdoving> i don't know why it failed, but it often failed to execute programs, it also got some problems when it comes to the sudo timeout thing.
[22:30]  * mayeco I think that if failed, the patch should be make in KDE not in the Kubuntu packages
[22:31] <fdoving> Riddell: it does work.
[22:32] <fdoving> Riddell: i'll put a debdiff somewhere for you to test.
[22:34] <Riddell> annma: kdesu didn't work well with sudo
[22:34] <Riddell> it didn't remember the pty so you had to enter the password each time, with kiosktool that means once for each file being copied which made it unusable
[22:35] <annma> but why not fixe DKE?
[22:35] <annma> KDE
[22:35] <Riddell> annma: there was no way to fix kdesu for sudo without rewriting the whole thing
[22:35] <Riddell> (at least not that we could see, and we did look closely)
[22:36] <fdoving> my 4-line patch might fix it.
[22:37] <Riddell> fdoving: you rock
[22:38] <fdoving> you need to test it first.
[22:38] <fdoving> to confirm it also works for you.
[22:39] <fdoving> Riddell: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_environment.debdiff
[22:39] <mayeco> Riddell: do we have a preview of the packages for testing before come out?
[22:39] <mayeco> or is this posible to make that?
[22:41] <fdoving> mayeco: you can test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb if you want to.
[22:45] <mayeco> tested
[22:45] <mayeco> -rw-r-----  1 mayeco mayeco  1479 2007-10-19 15:40 wineconfigrc
[22:45] <mayeco> -rw-------  1 root   root      25 2007-10-20 16:45 yakuakerc
[22:46] <fdoving> is that with yakuake?
[22:46] <fdoving> did you first remove the yakyakerc ?
[22:46] <mayeco> yep
[22:46] <fdoving> hmm.
[22:46] <mayeco> wait
[22:46] <mayeco> kdesudo?
[22:46] <fdoving> yes
[22:47] <mayeco> perfect
[22:47] <mayeco> I run "sudo yakuake"
[22:47] <mayeco> but "kdesudo yakuake" is perfect
[22:48] <fdoving> good.
[22:48] <fdoving> kdesudo is what i've been fixing.
[22:49] <mayeco> good!
[22:51] <mayeco> I have a question
[22:51] <mayeco> how make that command sudo?
[22:52] <mayeco> is this hacked in Ubuntu?
[22:54] <fdoving> ubuntu uses gksu
[22:54] <mayeco> yep
[22:54] <mayeco> but
[22:55] <mayeco> the command sudo is hacked in all Ubuntu flavors
[22:55] <fdoving> no.
[22:55] <mayeco> is not the same from debian
[22:55] <fdoving> there are wrappers for it.
[22:55] <mayeco> please... sorry I'm ignorant
[22:55] <mayeco> what is weappers
[22:55] <mayeco> wrappers
[22:55] <mayeco> ?
[22:56] <fdoving> a wrapper is a program that uses another one to do what it does.
[22:56] <fdoving> for example kdesudo uses sudo
[22:56] <mayeco> mmmm I get it
[22:56] <fdoving> but it adds the graphical password-dialog
[22:57] <mayeco> and gksu
[22:57] <fdoving> yep. the same, but gnomeish.
[22:57] <mayeco> like when I open Firestarter from KDE
[22:57] <mayeco> they open a kdesu gnomeish.
[22:57] <mayeco> :S
[22:58] <WaltzingAlong> mayeco: sure firestarter is a gnome app, no?
[22:58] <mayeco> yep!
[22:58] <mayeco> I dont find a KDE Firestarter
[22:59] <WaltzingAlong> k3b?
[22:59] <WaltzingAlong> mayeco: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu and kubuntu support in #kubuntu
[22:59] <fdoving> kmyfirewall or guiarddog
[22:59] <snikker> i've got small fonts in all application afte update to gusty. how can i fix this?
[22:59] <mayeco> WaltzingAlong: yep I know
[22:59] <WaltzingAlong> oh ok
[23:00] <mayeco> I dont want support thank you (firestarter is a firewall and k3b is a burner program)
[23:00] <mayeco> WaltzingAlong: thanks :)
[23:01] <WaltzingAlong> mayeco: haha ok i did not know which program firestarter was; how about guidedog and guarddog for kde (kubuntu) then?
[23:01] <mayeco> WaltzingAlong: yep I'll tested!
[23:02] <Dekans> Riddell: have you seen the gdebi-kde issue on launchpad ?
[23:02] <Dekans> about consumption of ALL the RAM (and swap)
[23:02] <Dekans> _before_ installing a package
[23:06] <Dekans> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/153943
[23:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,New]
[23:07] <Riddell> Dekans: yes, we know there's probablems in the embedded console
[23:07] <Riddell> I hope to convince robertknight to look at them at FOSSCamp
[23:09] <Dekans> okay
[23:09] <Dekans> and strigi taking all the cpu ressources is fixed ?
[23:09] <Riddell> fdoving: can you attach your patch and .deb to bug 155032
[23:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[23:09] <Riddell> Dekans: but not running strigi by default
[23:10] <Riddell> s/but/by/
[23:10] <Dekans> it's what i do but it seems very nice
[23:11] <Dekans> despite of these 2 issues, kde 3.5.8 is very nice and well integrated to gutsy
[23:11] <Dekans> I feel a sensible improvement since i discovered kubuntu
[23:12] <Dekans> it's a good job
[23:15] <Riddell> fdoving: it doesn't seem to write any config file with your kdesudo
[23:15] <Riddell> Dekans: thanks :)
[23:17] <fdoving> Riddell: does here. in /root/.kde/
[23:17] <fdoving> Riddell: at least dolphin does.
[23:21] <fdoving> .deb attached.
[23:22] <Riddell> nope, doesn't want to
[23:25] <ryanakca> Hmmm... does kopete crash for anybody else with:
[23:25] <ryanakca> kopete: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
[23:25] <ryanakca> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[23:27] <fdoving> Riddell: did you use my deb or compile your own?
[23:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: it crashes when connecting to MSN
[23:27] <Riddell> fdoving: both
[23:27] <Riddell> doesn't seem to write much with either
[23:27] <fdoving> Riddell: and dolphin doesn't write to /root/.kde/share/config/d3lphin ?
[23:27] <Riddell> fdoving: ah, it's permission denied!
[23:28] <Riddell> right, it's there
[23:28] <fdoving> good :)
[23:28] <Riddell> fdoving: do you know if gksudo uses -H?
[23:29] <fdoving> no, i don't know.
[23:30] <Riddell> source doesn't reveal much
[23:30] <Riddell> anyway, good enough for me, I'll upload to feisty-proposed
[23:30] <fdoving> you mean gutsy.
[23:31] <Riddell> oh aye, we did release that didn't we :)
[23:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, hohum. Okies :)
[23:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: fix is in gutsy-proposed
[23:36] <fdoving> Riddell: libgksu makes it optional to use -H or not.
[23:37] <fdoving> i guess that could be done to kdesudo too, defaulting to use it, but make a switch to keep the environment.
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[23:40] <Riddell> well, work for hardy if we want to do that
[23:40] <fdoving> yep.
[23:41] <fdoving> this is good enough for now i guess.