| purpleposeidon | TheMuso: Howso? | 00:01 |
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| TheMuso | purpleposeidon: UUIDs save you from having to re-adjust your fstab if you move a hard disk containing a Linx install from one computer to another for example. | 00:02 |
| TheMuso | In my case, I swapped out a PCI controller for another one in a box, and Linux just came up working, thanks to UUIDs. | 00:02 |
| TheMuso | Device nodes may work, but there is certainly no garentee that they will be the same for new hardware. | 00:02 |
| purpleposeidon | What happens to UUIDs when you modify partitions? | 00:03 |
| slangasek | UUIDs are embedded in the filesystem metadata | 00:03 |
| TheMuso | purpleposeidon: I don't know. | 00:03 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: thanks I was wondering that | 00:03 |
| purpleposeidon | Well, it would be a nice to make them just a little bit shorter. Or descriptive. | 00:04 |
| slangasek | if they were shorter, they wouldn't be UUIDs | 00:04 |
| slangasek | if they were descriptive, they would be labels rather than UUIDs :) | 00:04 |
| purpleposeidon | So.... why not labels then? | 00:05 |
| slangasek | I don't know, I wasn't involved in the choice | 00:06 |
| Spads | there are some catastrophic failure modes involving stale label values | 00:06 |
| slangasek | perhaps because in the general case you want to use something automatic in the installer, and dual-booting can easily result in conflicting labels | 00:06 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: hah (btw. seems that I've been having an enourmous lag right now, as 1 and a half minute of text suddenly popped up in my irc) | 00:07 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: ouch | 00:07 |
| sistpoty | well, known problem for me, also known fix... /me needs only to call my isp *g* | 00:07 |
| TheMuso | heh | 00:08 |
| purpleposeidon | !UUID | 00:24 |
| ubotu | To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID) | 00:24 |
| rstanca | hello, if I customize the livecd(add new packages to it) will the new packages be installed too(when I'll do an hd install) or there's something else I should do? (I found docs from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ) | 00:27 |
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| ubuntu | i can't belevice | 04:58 |
| BigPick | A user named ubuntu... thats different. | 04:58 |
| ubuntu | that someone persons here didn't make good the gutsy | 04:58 |
| Jordan_U | BigPick, It's because he is connecting from a LiveCD session and that is the default | 04:59 |
| ubuntu | and i download yestrday this 7.10 and now i have much error | 04:59 |
| BigPick | Ah ha, I see. | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | and support is in #ubuntu | 04:59 |
| ubuntu | this peoples who make gutsy are sucking | 04:59 |
| pwnguin | ubuntu: before you go blaming the developers, make sure your disc burned okay :P | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu: if you want support, #ubuntu. | 04:59 |
| ubuntu | Hobbsee and the bad peoples making ubuntu are here | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | if you want to troll, you can have a kickban. | 04:59 |
| Jordan_U | ubuntu, If you want to yell at someone pay for commercial support, | 04:59 |
| ubuntu | i will go and sleep,you are having problems,making shits and then the peoples install it,bah 7.04 was working good,and every times the new version is bad. | 05:00 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: It would be a bit disheartening to kickban "ubuntu" user though. :-( | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: you assume that i plan to kickban by username. | 05:01 |
| BigPick | Didn't know you could do it by ip. | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | you can. otherwise it'd be pretty pointless. | 05:04 |
| BigPick | Ah, good point. | 05:05 |
| BigPick | ignore the idiot behind the curtain | 05:05 |
| Hobbsee | and wildcards, etc. it works, as long as you get enough of it, and dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident) | 05:06 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: you mean IP _block_? | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: from the channel. yes. | 05:07 |
| BigPick | Yeah banning a class A block would be... interesting | 05:07 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: Alas. I understand you can kickban according to IP instead of username. | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | BigPick: well, we have banned entire ISP's by accident before - or large subsets | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: indeed. | 05:08 |
| minghua | Hobbsee: What I was asking is: did you mean "IP block" instead of "IP" when you said "dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident)" | 05:08 |
| BigPick | HAHAHA, good times. Nothing like a little irc passive-aggression. | 05:09 |
| BigPick | I think he meant ISP | 05:09 |
| minghua | That makes sense, too. | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | minghua: oh, ip block, yes. | 05:09 |
| minghua | I just couldn't think of anything other than an "entire" IP... | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | i see nwo :) | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 05:09 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: If you got creative you could use geoip and ban entire countries. | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i'd prefer *!*@*!* | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | oh, *!*@* | 05:11 |
| fit4lfe | I can't get update-manager to work cause i need pygtk now i can append pygtk in python but have no idea how to make it work for ubuntu | 08:03 |
| fit4lfe | can someone tell me how ? do i need to change the enviroment variables if so could you please send me in the right direction | 08:03 |
| fit4lfe | i have tried to the #ubuntu channel but no one knows what i am talking about | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | !weekend | 08:05 |
| ubotu | It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. | 08:05 |
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| winchesterPAT | Hi! | 10:40 |
| winchesterPAT | My name is borat. | 10:41 |
| geser | pitti: Hi, have you time to look over the debdiff in bug #154811? | 11:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811 | 11:11 |
| Lutin | bdmurray: you talked about medibuntu-related upgrade issues...what are the bug numbers ? | 11:17 |
| winchesterPAT | let me kiss you | 11:23 |
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| Kano | hi, is there a way to stop drives from being added to hal | 13:26 |
| Kano | the problem is: when there is a raid set, which you usually control via dmraid | 13:26 |
| Kano | then one of the drives still has a valid partition table | 13:27 |
| Kano | and hal finds it | 13:27 |
| Kano | http://paste.debian.net/40221 | 13:28 |
| Kano | here you see an example | 13:28 |
| Kano | dmraid lists it as raid 5 | 13:28 |
| Kano | i patched the kernel + added a new dmraid to be able to access it | 13:29 |
| Kano | but that would happen with raid 0 too i think | 13:29 |
| Kano | when you try to mount it via hal you can create real damage | 13:30 |
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| lamont | after I was stupid and told the preferences/Appearance/Theme widgit that it was OK to do the font load, how do I get back to sane size fonts on my machine? | 14:33 |
| Keybuk | I wish there was an emacs option to put the name of the function in the modeline | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | ... | 14:39 |
| Keybuk | oh, there is | 14:39 |
| * Keybuk hugs emacs | 14:39 | |
| IntuitiveNipple | lamont: There's a gconf setting you can change from the command-line | 14:45 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: hiya. i presume i cant blacklist? | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: can you remove kubuntu-restricted-extras (source) from hardy. it should have been the first time, i'm not sure what happened to it | 15:09 |
| pitti | hey Hobbsee | 15:09 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: blacklist what? the sync blacklist? | 15:09 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: sorry, s/blacklist/removal things/ | 15:10 |
| === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with hardy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 7.10 released! | ||
| pitti | Hobbsee: can do; what's the rationale? is there a bug about it? (please file one, to have a paper trail) | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: i filed you a bug last time, and we discussed this last time. | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: (decided to integrate it with u-r-e, not maintaining them separately) | 15:11 |
| pitti | oh, did we? I don't have the faintest memory about it, and yesterday I cleaned up archive bugs | 15:11 |
| Hobbsee | like i say, i thought it didnt exist. | 15:11 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 15:11 |
| Keybuk | pitti: what does -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 do? | 15:11 |
| Hobbsee | yes, this was the source that was in the archive for the shortest lenght of time, for a new ubuntu package :) | 15:11 |
| pitti | Keybuk: it adds some wrappers around critical functions to check arguments, IIRC | 15:11 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ah, that one; I remember | 15:11 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: :) | 15:11 |
| Hobbsee | Hobbsee_laziness++ | 15:12 |
| Keybuk | pitti: is there a reference for it? | 15:12 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: maybe that will stop people reporting bugs on it. | 15:12 |
| pitti | Keybuk: last time I searched for it (maybe two years ago) there wasn't a good one; kees might know | 15:12 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: done | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: thanks a lot | 15:13 |
| * Hobbsee tries to remember what else she was going to do. | 15:15 | |
| Keybuk | gnargh | 15:18 |
| Keybuk | WHY does our glibc have an out of date version of the reference manual? | 15:18 |
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| Keybuk | because upstream haven't updated the docs | 15:20 |
| Keybuk | ok, don't mind me : | 15:20 |
| Keybuk | their website carries a later version of the manual than the tarball | 15:20 |
| Keybuk | and it doesn't have fortify_source in it anyway | 15:21 |
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| keescook | Keybuk: I've found nearly 0 references to the _FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 (which requires -02 or higher, btw). | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | keescook: "nearly zero" ? | 16:07 |
| keescook | Keybuk: I've mentioned it a few times on public mailing lists. ;P | 16:07 |
| Keybuk | do you know what it does? | 16:07 |
| pitti | keescook: weird that this didn't change (i. e. got documented at all) over the past years, given its popularity in Fedoar... | 16:07 |
| keescook | pitti: yeah, it's odd. I wanted to hunt down all the the features and document them. | 16:08 |
| keescook | Keybuk: I know a few things it does: | 16:08 |
| keescook | - converts strcpy, sprintf, etc functions into their +n versions when the size of a buffer is known | 16:08 |
| geser | keescook: can you look at the debdiff in bug #154811? | 16:09 |
| keescook | - blocks %n in format strings when the target is executable memory | 16:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811 | 16:09 |
| keescook | geser: sure, but not at the moment -- I have to drive a friend to the airport shortly. | 16:09 |
| geser | np | 16:09 |
| keescook | Keybuk: where have you encountered it? | 16:10 |
| Keybuk | keescook: it generates extra compiler warnings | 16:11 |
| Keybuk | from a bug report from Fedora ;) | 16:11 |
| keescook | Keybuk: btw, if my first bullet didn't make sense: char buf[10]; sprintf(buf,"%s",argv[1]); turns into snprintf(buf,10,"%s",argv[1]); | 16:11 |
| keescook | Keybuk: heh. well, I'm hoping to turn it on in Debian and Ubuntu. While you're at it, try -Wformat -Wformat-security too :) | 16:11 |
| Keybuk | it also seems to add warn_unused_result to a lot of things | 16:12 |
| keescook | back in a bit... | 16:12 |
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| pipegeek | OK, I've got a question..... | 17:02 |
| pipegeek | Why is it that, when compiz is enabled in gutsy, the desktop page preferences dialog no longer allows you to name your desktops, or explicitly add more? This seems like a bug. | 17:03 |
| pipegeek | particularly since you can switch off compiz, make the change, turn it back on again, and have it stick. | 17:03 |
| pipegeek | Ought I to submit a bug report? | 17:04 |
| Amaranth | pipegeek: known | 17:08 |
| pipegeek | Amaranth: thanks | 17:08 |
| pipegeek | Appreciate all the work you folks are doing. :^) | 17:09 |
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| rohan | mjg59: are you around ? | 17:22 |
| mjg59 | rohan: Hi | 17:23 |
| rohan | mjg59: hi .. can you please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/133677 ? the bug is occurring again :( | 17:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 133677 in acpi-support "System unusable after resume from suspend or hibernate" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 17:24 |
| mjg59 | rohan: Whch aspect of it? | 17:24 |
| rohan | mjg59: resuming from suspend doesn't work | 17:25 |
| rohan | actually, it's a bit different, in that the screen backlight doesn't start at all, and the hard disk activity led shows full activity | 17:25 |
| mjg59 | rohan: You said it did | 17:26 |
| rohan | i am sorry .. the bug is not exactly the same this time | 17:27 |
| mjg59 | Then it's a different bug | 17:27 |
| rohan | should i file one more bug ? | 17:28 |
| rohan | also do i provide any more information ? | 17:29 |
| rohan_ | mjg59: sorry i got disconnected .. you had replied ? | 17:42 |
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| hunger | I get a invalid signature from the ubuntu archive automatic signing key on gutsy-proposed. | 20:20 |
| hunger | Would it be possible to fix that? It is pretty scary:-) | 20:20 |
| beuno | hunger, it's been known to have problems due to some sort of caching in the middle (ISP, local network, etc) | 20:22 |
| hunger | beuno: Thanks for the info. I don't have anything between me an a.u.c afaik. | 20:22 |
| hunger | Well, maybe my ISP is messing something up. It is known to do such stuff. | 20:23 |
| * beuno remembers some sort of workaround in Ubuntuforums, but can't quite find it | 20:23 | |
| dandaman33 | ubuntu homepage seems badly broken unless the cache is bypassed... someone perhaps could tweak expiry settings? | 20:38 |
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| jdong | dandaman33: Ubuntu server is reporting accurate Last-Modified/etag info..... | 20:52 |
| jdong | dandaman33: you sure you don't have an insanely aggressive proxy server between you and ubuntu? | 20:52 |
| dandaman33 | the homepage itself loaded, but CSS and image files were loaded from the cache | 20:54 |
| dandaman33 | lemme give this a shot on the laptop real quick, assuming i've loaded the ubuntu homepage in the past few days on there | 20:54 |
| dandaman33 | yep, loaded fine on there | 20:55 |
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| blix__ | Hi Ubuntu folks | 22:17 |
| attunix | Is there a guide on developing for Ubuntu? I've only done command-line development up until now and would like to start GUI programming. | 22:19 |
| nemik | attunix: most of that is done in python and pyGTK. there are good tutorials out there on that. just google it. | 22:19 |
| attunix | nemik: So it's all pyGTK? | 22:20 |
| nemik | well, not all. but most smaller ubuntu apps are written using that | 22:20 |
| attunix | thanks :) | 22:20 |
| nemik | you could of course use C or C++ and others too if you want; they have GTK libraries as well | 22:21 |
| attunix | nemik: Is there pyGTK documentation in the system? | 22:21 |
| nemik | but ubuntu and shuttleworth are all about python | 22:21 |
| nemik | attunix: not in the system from what i can tell. you might be able to apt-get documentation for GTK libraries but IMO google search is much better | 22:21 |
| blix__ | I quite like to do C/C++ network dev for Ubuntu | 22:21 |
| attunix | nemik: thank you :) | 22:22 |
| nemik | np | 22:22 |
| attunix | nemik: since Python is interpreted, how can I make installers for my applications for them to run as stand-alone apps? | 22:24 |
| norsetto | attunix: in python? | 22:26 |
| attunix | norsetto: pyGTK | 22:26 |
| LaserJock_ | attunix: there are some python and pygtk docs you can install | 22:26 |
| attunix | LaserJock_: such as what? | 22:27 |
| LaserJock_ | attunix: diveintopython for python | 22:27 |
| slangasek | python-gtk2-tutorial, python-gtk2-doc? | 22:27 |
| slangasek | "apt-cache search pygtk doc" | 22:27 |
| norsetto | LaserJock: is that the one installed by default? | 22:27 |
| attunix | thanks :) | 22:28 |
| LaserJock_ | I think it's installed by default | 22:28 |
| LaserJock_ | I find devhelp good for that kind of thing | 22:28 |
| attunix | what's devhelp? | 22:28 |
| LaserJock_ | "Devhelp's primary goal is to be an API documentation browser for GNOME." | 22:29 |
| attunix | Ok. | 22:29 |
| attunix | I'll install that | 22:29 |
| slangasek | attunix: installers for stand-alone apps: python has what are called "eggs", but they're horrible things that destructively interfere with packaging systems, and as such off-topic for this channel (per /topic) | 22:29 |
| LaserJock_ | you can also ship it similar to an ordinary C program too | 22:30 |
| attunix | ok | 22:31 |
| attunix | thank you! | 22:31 |
| TheK | uhm, who wrote the system requirements for Xubuntu? | 23:04 |
| TheK | 1,5 GB is just and plain wrong, it needs close to 2 GB just after install | 23:04 |
| slangasek | TheK: where are you reading this? | 23:11 |
| TheK | http://www.xubuntu.com/get | 23:11 |
| slangasek | ok. you should probably contact the xubuntu development list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel | 23:13 |
| LaserJock_ | hmm, I would think Xubuntu should have a smaller footprint | 23:14 |
| slangasek | one would think so | 23:14 |
| erosa | Hi all, don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but here I go just in case.. I missed the pidgin.mo file, so asked a friend to locate it through dpkg and found it was in package "language-pack-gnome-es-base". He's on x86 and I'm on powerpc. So I checked I had that package installed, but without that file. Finally I found pidgin.mo in package "language-pack-es-base",which had not being installed during the installatio | 23:14 |
| erosa | n... Any idea on why is the file on different packages? | 23:14 |
| LaserJock_ | erosa: is that on 7.10? | 23:15 |
| erosa | LaserJock, yes | 23:15 |
| LaserJock_ | erosa: it could be because powerpc is no long an officially supported arch | 23:15 |
| LaserJock_ | I wonder if something got messed up and nobody noticed | 23:16 |
| slangasek | LaserJock_: no, it's simply because his x86-using friend isn't running 7.10 | 23:16 |
| erosa | LaserJock, I though non official ports used the same source debs | 23:16 |
| slangasek | the language packs are all arch: all packages | 23:16 |
| erosa | sladen, yes, he is | 23:16 |
| erosa | we both use 7.10 | 23:16 |
| slangasek | erosa: no, he's not. :) he does not have the current version of the language packs installed. | 23:16 |
| slangasek | he may have installed gutsy, but the official 7.10 release has pidgin.mo in language-pack-es-base, not in language-pack-gnome-es-base | 23:17 |
| erosa | slangasek, well, I did a fresh install and I think he dist-upgraded, cat be the reason? | 23:18 |
| erosa | s/cat/can | 23:18 |
| slangasek | erosa: it's possible that he hasn't dist-upgraded to the final release, yes. | 23:18 |
| slangasek | otherwise, he simply misidentified the package. But language-pack-es-base is definitely the correct package for 7.10, on all archs. | 23:19 |
| erosa | slangasek, LaserJock, thank you two :) | 23:19 |
| erosa | I was starting to think that the powerpc port was worse than expected | 23:19 |
| slangasek | I'm more puzzled that language-pack-es-base wasn't installed by default, really | 23:20 |
| erosa | I installed with alternate-cd-powerpc dated 16102007 | 23:23 |
| erosa | don't know if there were more releases after that | 23:23 |
| slangasek | that should be the final release | 23:24 |
| slangasek | and language-pack-es-base should be on the CD | 23:24 |
| slangasek | so I really don't know why it wasn't installed, if you chose Spanish at install time | 23:24 |
| erosa | Sure I did | 23:25 |
| slangasek | oh, wait | 23:26 |
| slangasek | * language-pack-${Languages} [i386 amd64] | 23:26 |
| slangasek | right, for some reason we didn't include it on the powerpc alternate | 23:26 |
| LaserJock_ | what seed is that from? | 23:26 |
| slangasek | LaserJock_: ubuntu.gutsy/ship | 23:26 |
| slangasek | that's a shame, we had plenty of room for more language packs on powerpc | 23:27 |
| LaserJock_ | are the ppc discs built from that seed? | 23:27 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: is it kosher to reroll the ports images for 7.10 to shove some more langpacks on? | 23:28 |
| slangasek | LaserJock_: yes | 23:28 |
| slangasek | erosa: when you installed, did you have a network connection from the computer? | 23:28 |
| slangasek | if so, the language packs should have still been downloaded automatically | 23:28 |
| erosa | slangasek, yes | 23:29 |
| slangasek | right, so I still don't understand what happened | 23:29 |
| erosa | sladen, i remember it started downlading language packs | 23:29 |
| slangasek | but filling the CD with langpacks would still probably be a goodidea | 23:29 |
| calc | how do you force reload the gnome menu without restarting gnome? | 23:49 |
| calc | ooo disappeared from the menu on me and i am doing bug triage :\ | 23:49 |
| LaserJock_ | calc: were you messing around with the menu? | 23:51 |
| LaserJock_ | or it just disappeared | 23:51 |
| calc | LaserJock_: i think i know what happened i probably screwed up my menu entries | 23:51 |
| calc | reinstalling ooo now | 23:51 |
| jdong | calc: kill gnome-panel with HUP? | 23:55 |
| calc | jdong: hmm yea that would probably work | 23:56 |
| calc | thanks | 23:56 |
| jdong | np | 23:57 |
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