[00:01] <purpleposeidon> TheMuso: Howso?
[00:02] <TheMuso> purpleposeidon: UUIDs save you from having to re-adjust your fstab if you move a hard disk containing a Linx install from one computer to another for example.
[00:02] <TheMuso> In my case, I swapped out a PCI controller for another one in a box, and Linux just came up working, thanks to UUIDs.
[00:02] <TheMuso> Device nodes may work, but there is certainly no garentee that they will be the same for new hardware.
[00:03] <purpleposeidon> What happens to UUIDs when you modify partitions?
[00:03] <slangasek> UUIDs are embedded in the filesystem metadata
[00:03] <TheMuso> purpleposeidon: I don't know.
[00:03] <TheMuso> slangasek: thanks I was wondering that
[00:04] <purpleposeidon> Well, it would be a nice to make them just a little bit shorter. Or descriptive.
[00:04] <slangasek> if they were shorter, they wouldn't be UUIDs
[00:04] <slangasek> if they were descriptive, they would be labels rather than UUIDs :)
[00:05] <purpleposeidon> So.... why not labels then?
[00:06] <slangasek> I don't know, I wasn't involved in the choice
[00:06] <Spads> there are some catastrophic failure modes involving stale label values
[00:06] <slangasek> perhaps because in the general case you want to use something automatic in the installer, and dual-booting can easily result in conflicting labels
[00:07] <sistpoty> TheMuso: hah (btw. seems that I've been having an enourmous lag right now, as 1 and a half minute of text suddenly popped up in my irc)
[00:07] <TheMuso> sistpoty: ouch
[00:07] <sistpoty> well, known problem for me, also known fix... /me needs only to call my isp *g*
[00:08] <TheMuso> heh
[00:24] <purpleposeidon> !UUID
[00:24] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[00:27] <rstanca> hello, if I customize the livecd(add new packages to it) will the new packages be installed too(when I'll do an hd install) or there's something else I should do? (I found docs from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization )
[04:58] <ubuntu> i can't belevice
[04:58] <BigPick> A user named ubuntu... thats different.
[04:58] <ubuntu> that someone persons here didn't make good the gutsy
[04:59] <Jordan_U> BigPick, It's because he is connecting from a LiveCD session and that is the default
[04:59] <ubuntu> and i download yestrday this 7.10 and now i have much error
[04:59] <BigPick> Ah ha, I see.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> and support is in #ubuntu
[04:59] <ubuntu> this peoples who make gutsy are sucking
[04:59] <pwnguin> ubuntu: before you go blaming the developers, make sure your disc burned okay :P
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ubuntu: if you want support, #ubuntu.
[04:59] <ubuntu> Hobbsee and the bad peoples making ubuntu are here
[04:59] <Hobbsee> if you want to troll, you can have a kickban.
[04:59] <Jordan_U> ubuntu, If you want to yell at someone pay for commercial support,
[05:00] <ubuntu> i will go and sleep,you are having problems,making shits and then the peoples install it,bah 7.04 was working good,and every times the new version is bad.
[05:01] <minghua> Hobbsee: It would be a bit disheartening to kickban "ubuntu" user though. :-(
[05:01] <Hobbsee> minghua: you assume that i plan to kickban by username.
[05:03] <BigPick> Didn't know you could do it by ip.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> you can.  otherwise it'd be pretty pointless.
[05:05] <BigPick> Ah, good point.
[05:05] <BigPick> ignore the idiot behind the curtain
[05:06] <Hobbsee> and wildcards, etc.  it works, as long as you get enough of it, and dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident)
[05:07] <minghua> Hobbsee: you mean IP _block_?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> minghua: from the channel.  yes.
[05:07] <BigPick> Yeah banning a class A block would be... interesting
[05:08] <minghua> Hobbsee: Alas.  I understand you can kickban according to IP instead of username.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> BigPick: well, we have banned entire ISP's by accident before - or large subsets
[05:08] <Hobbsee> minghua: indeed.
[05:08] <minghua> Hobbsee: What I was asking is: did you mean "IP block" instead of "IP" when you said "dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident)"
[05:09] <BigPick> HAHAHA, good times. Nothing like a little irc passive-aggression.
[05:09] <BigPick> I think he meant ISP
[05:09] <minghua> That makes sense, too.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> minghua: oh, ip block, yes.
[05:09] <minghua> I just couldn't think of anything other than an "entire" IP...
[05:09] <Hobbsee> i see nwo :)
[05:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:10] <ScottK> Hobbsee: If you got creative you could use geoip and ban entire countries.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd prefer *!*@*!*
[05:11] <Hobbsee> oh, *!*@*
[08:03] <fit4lfe> I can't get update-manager to work cause i need pygtk now i can append pygtk in python but have no idea how to make it work for ubuntu
[08:03] <fit4lfe> can someone tell me how ? do i need to change the enviroment variables if so could you please send me in the right direction
[08:04] <fit4lfe> i have tried to the #ubuntu channel but no one knows what i am talking about
[08:05] <Hobbsee> !weekend
[08:05] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[10:40] <winchesterPAT> Hi!
[10:41] <winchesterPAT> My name is borat.
[11:11] <geser> pitti: Hi, have you time to look over the debdiff in bug #154811?
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811
[11:17] <Lutin> bdmurray: you talked about medibuntu-related upgrade issues...what are the bug numbers ?
[11:23] <winchesterPAT> let me kiss you
[13:26] <Kano> hi, is there a way to stop drives from being added to hal
[13:26] <Kano> the problem is: when there is a raid set, which you usually control via dmraid
[13:27] <Kano> then one of the drives still has a valid partition table
[13:27] <Kano> and hal finds it
[13:28] <Kano> http://paste.debian.net/40221
[13:28] <Kano> here you see an example
[13:28] <Kano> dmraid lists it as raid 5
[13:29] <Kano> i patched the kernel + added a new dmraid to be able to access it
[13:29] <Kano> but that would happen with raid 0 too i think
[13:30] <Kano> when you try to mount it via hal you can create real damage
[14:33] <lamont> after I was stupid and told the preferences/Appearance/Theme widgit that it was OK to do the font load, how do I get back to sane size fonts on my machine?
[14:39] <Keybuk> I wish there was an emacs option to put the name of the function in the modeline
[14:39] <Keybuk> ...
[14:39] <Keybuk> oh, there is
[14:39]  * Keybuk hugs emacs
[14:45] <IntuitiveNipple> lamont: There's a gconf setting you can change from the command-line
[15:08] <Hobbsee> pitti: hiya.  i presume i cant blacklist?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> pitti: can you remove kubuntu-restricted-extras (source) from hardy.  it should have been the first time, i'm not sure what happened to it
[15:09] <pitti> hey Hobbsee
[15:09] <pitti> Hobbsee: blacklist what? the sync blacklist?
[15:10] <Hobbsee> pitti: sorry, s/blacklist/removal things/
[15:10] <pitti> Hobbsee: can do; what's the rationale? is there a bug about it? (please file one, to have a paper trail)
[15:10] <Hobbsee> pitti: i filed you a bug last time, and we discussed this last time.
[15:11] <Hobbsee> pitti: (decided to integrate it with u-r-e, not maintaining them separately)
[15:11] <pitti> oh, did we? I don't have the faintest memory about it, and yesterday I cleaned up archive bugs
[15:11] <Hobbsee> like i say, i thought it didnt exist.
[15:11] <pitti> ah, ok
[15:11] <Keybuk> pitti: what does -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 do?
[15:11] <Hobbsee> yes, this was the source that was in the archive for the shortest lenght of time, for a new ubuntu package :)
[15:11] <pitti> Keybuk: it adds some wrappers around critical functions to check arguments, IIRC
[15:11] <pitti> Hobbsee: ah, that one; I remember
[15:11] <Hobbsee> pitti: :)
[15:12] <Hobbsee> Hobbsee_laziness++
[15:12] <Keybuk> pitti: is there a reference for it?
[15:12] <Hobbsee> pitti: maybe that will stop people reporting bugs on it.
[15:12] <pitti> Keybuk: last time I searched for it (maybe two years ago) there wasn't a good one; kees might know
[15:13] <pitti> Hobbsee: done
[15:13] <Hobbsee> pitti: thanks a lot
[15:15]  * Hobbsee tries to remember what else she was going to do.
[15:18] <Keybuk> gnargh
[15:18] <Keybuk> WHY does our glibc have an out of date version of the reference manual?
[15:20] <Keybuk> because upstream haven't updated the docs
[15:20] <Keybuk> ok, don't mind me :
[15:20] <Keybuk> their website carries a later version of the manual than the tarball
[15:21] <Keybuk> and it doesn't have fortify_source in it anyway
[16:05] <keescook> Keybuk: I've found nearly 0 references to the _FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 (which requires -02 or higher, btw).
[16:07] <Keybuk> keescook: "nearly zero" ?
[16:07] <keescook> Keybuk: I've mentioned it a few times on public mailing lists.  ;P
[16:07] <Keybuk> do you know what it does?
[16:07] <pitti> keescook: weird that this didn't change (i. e. got documented at all) over the past years, given its popularity in Fedoar...
[16:08] <keescook> pitti: yeah, it's odd.  I wanted to hunt down all the the features and document them.
[16:08] <keescook> Keybuk: I know a few things it does:
[16:08] <keescook> - converts strcpy, sprintf, etc functions into their +n versions when the size of a buffer is known
[16:09] <geser> keescook: can you look at the debdiff in bug #154811?
[16:09] <keescook> - blocks %n in format strings when the target is executable memory
[16:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811
[16:09] <keescook> geser: sure, but not at the moment -- I have to drive a friend to the airport shortly.
[16:09] <geser> np
[16:10] <keescook> Keybuk: where have you encountered it?
[16:11] <Keybuk> keescook: it generates extra compiler warnings
[16:11] <Keybuk> from a bug report from Fedora ;)
[16:11] <keescook> Keybuk: btw, if my first bullet didn't make sense:  char buf[10];  sprintf(buf,"%s",argv[1]);     turns into    snprintf(buf,10,"%s",argv[1]);
[16:11] <keescook> Keybuk: heh.  well, I'm hoping to turn it on in Debian and Ubuntu.  While you're at it, try -Wformat -Wformat-security too  :)
[16:12] <Keybuk> it also seems to add warn_unused_result to a lot of things
[16:12] <keescook> back in a bit...
[17:02] <pipegeek> OK, I've got a question.....
[17:03] <pipegeek> Why is it that, when compiz is enabled in gutsy, the desktop page preferences dialog no longer allows you to name your desktops, or explicitly add more?  This seems like a bug.
[17:03] <pipegeek> particularly since you can switch off compiz, make the change, turn it back on again, and have it stick.
[17:04] <pipegeek> Ought I to submit a bug report?
[17:08] <Amaranth> pipegeek: known
[17:08] <pipegeek> Amaranth: thanks
[17:09] <pipegeek> Appreciate all the work you folks are doing. :^)
[17:22] <rohan> mjg59: are you around ?
[17:23] <mjg59> rohan: Hi
[17:24] <rohan> mjg59: hi .. can you please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/133677 ? the bug is occurring again :(
[17:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133677 in acpi-support "System unusable after resume from suspend or hibernate" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[17:24] <mjg59> rohan: Whch aspect of it?
[17:25] <rohan> mjg59: resuming from suspend doesn't work
[17:25] <rohan> actually, it's a bit different, in that the screen backlight doesn't start at all, and the hard disk activity led shows full activity
[17:26] <mjg59> rohan: You said it did
[17:27] <rohan> i am sorry .. the bug is not exactly the same this time
[17:27] <mjg59> Then it's a different bug
[17:28] <rohan> should i file one more bug ?
[17:29] <rohan> also do i provide any more information ?
[17:42] <rohan_> mjg59: sorry i got disconnected .. you had replied ?
[20:20] <hunger> I get a invalid signature from the ubuntu archive automatic signing key on gutsy-proposed.
[20:20] <hunger> Would it be possible to fix that? It is pretty scary:-)
[20:22] <beuno> hunger, it's been known to have problems due to some sort of caching in the middle (ISP, local network, etc)
[20:22] <hunger> beuno: Thanks for the info. I don't have anything between me an a.u.c afaik.
[20:23] <hunger> Well, maybe my ISP is messing something up. It is known to do such stuff.
[20:23]  * beuno remembers some sort of workaround in Ubuntuforums, but can't quite find it
[20:38] <dandaman33> ubuntu homepage seems badly broken unless the cache is bypassed... someone perhaps could tweak expiry settings?
[20:52] <jdong> dandaman33: Ubuntu server is reporting accurate Last-Modified/etag info.....
[20:52] <jdong> dandaman33: you sure you don't have an insanely aggressive proxy server between you and ubuntu?
[20:54] <dandaman33> the homepage itself loaded, but CSS and image files were loaded from the cache
[20:54] <dandaman33> lemme give this a shot on the laptop real quick, assuming i've loaded the ubuntu homepage in the past few days on there
[20:55] <dandaman33> yep, loaded fine on there
[22:17] <blix__> Hi Ubuntu folks
[22:19] <attunix> Is there a guide on developing for Ubuntu? I've only done command-line development up until now and would like to start GUI programming.
[22:19] <nemik> attunix: most of that is done in python and pyGTK. there are good tutorials out there on that. just google it.
[22:20] <attunix> nemik: So it's all pyGTK?
[22:20] <nemik> well, not all. but most smaller ubuntu apps are written using that
[22:20] <attunix> thanks :)
[22:21] <nemik> you could of course use C or C++ and others too if you want; they have GTK libraries as well
[22:21] <attunix> nemik: Is there pyGTK documentation in the system?
[22:21] <nemik> but ubuntu and shuttleworth are all about python
[22:21] <nemik> attunix: not in the system from what i can tell. you might be able to apt-get documentation for GTK libraries but IMO google search is much better
[22:21] <blix__> I quite like to do C/C++ network dev for Ubuntu
[22:22] <attunix> nemik: thank you :)
[22:22] <nemik> np
[22:24] <attunix> nemik: since Python is interpreted, how can I make installers for my applications for them to run as stand-alone apps?
[22:26] <norsetto> attunix: in python?
[22:26] <attunix> norsetto: pyGTK
[22:26] <LaserJock_> attunix: there are some python and pygtk docs you can install
[22:27] <attunix> LaserJock_: such as what?
[22:27] <LaserJock_> attunix: diveintopython for python
[22:27] <slangasek> python-gtk2-tutorial, python-gtk2-doc?
[22:27] <slangasek> "apt-cache search pygtk doc"
[22:27] <norsetto> LaserJock: is that the one installed by default?
[22:28] <attunix> thanks :)
[22:28] <LaserJock_> I think it's installed by default
[22:28] <LaserJock_> I find devhelp good for that kind of thing
[22:28] <attunix> what's devhelp?
[22:29] <LaserJock_> "Devhelp's primary goal is to be an API documentation browser for GNOME."
[22:29] <attunix> Ok.
[22:29] <attunix> I'll install that
[22:29] <slangasek> attunix: installers for stand-alone apps: python has what are called "eggs", but they're horrible things that destructively interfere with packaging systems, and as such off-topic for this channel (per /topic)
[22:30] <LaserJock_> you can also ship it similar to an ordinary C program too
[22:31] <attunix> ok
[22:31] <attunix> thank you!
[23:04] <TheK> uhm, who wrote the system requirements for Xubuntu?
[23:04] <TheK> 1,5 GB is just and plain wrong, it needs close to 2 GB just after install
[23:11] <slangasek> TheK: where are you reading this?
[23:11] <TheK> http://www.xubuntu.com/get
[23:13] <slangasek> ok.  you should probably contact the xubuntu development list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[23:14] <LaserJock_> hmm, I would think Xubuntu should have a smaller footprint
[23:14] <slangasek> one would think so
[23:14] <erosa> Hi all, don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but here I go just in case.. I missed the pidgin.mo file, so asked a friend to locate it through dpkg and found it was in package "language-pack-gnome-es-base". He's on x86 and I'm on powerpc. So I checked I had that package installed, but without that file. Finally I found pidgin.mo in package "language-pack-es-base",which had not being installed during the installatio
[23:14] <erosa> n... Any idea on why is the file on different packages?
[23:15] <LaserJock_> erosa: is that on 7.10?
[23:15] <erosa> LaserJock, yes
[23:15] <LaserJock_> erosa: it could be because powerpc is no long an officially supported arch
[23:16] <LaserJock_> I wonder if something got messed up and nobody noticed
[23:16] <slangasek> LaserJock_: no, it's simply because his x86-using friend isn't running 7.10
[23:16] <erosa> LaserJock, I though non official ports used the same source debs
[23:16] <slangasek> the language packs are all arch: all packages
[23:16] <erosa> sladen, yes, he is
[23:16] <erosa> we both use 7.10
[23:16] <slangasek> erosa: no, he's not. :)  he does not have the current version of the language packs installed.
[23:17] <slangasek> he may have installed gutsy, but the official 7.10 release has pidgin.mo in language-pack-es-base, not in language-pack-gnome-es-base
[23:18] <erosa> slangasek, well, I did a fresh install and I think he dist-upgraded, cat be the reason?
[23:18] <erosa> s/cat/can
[23:18] <slangasek> erosa: it's possible that he hasn't dist-upgraded to the final release, yes.
[23:19] <slangasek> otherwise, he simply misidentified the package.  But language-pack-es-base is definitely the correct package for 7.10, on all archs.
[23:19] <erosa> slangasek, LaserJock, thank you two :)
[23:19] <erosa> I was starting to think that the powerpc port was worse than expected
[23:20] <slangasek> I'm more puzzled that language-pack-es-base wasn't installed by default, really
[23:23] <erosa> I installed with alternate-cd-powerpc dated 16102007
[23:23] <erosa> don't know if there were more releases after that
[23:24] <slangasek> that should be the final release
[23:24] <slangasek> and language-pack-es-base should be on the CD
[23:24] <slangasek> so I really don't know why it wasn't installed, if you chose Spanish at install time
[23:25] <erosa> Sure I did
[23:26] <slangasek> oh, wait
[23:26] <slangasek>  * language-pack-${Languages} [i386 amd64]
[23:26] <slangasek> right, for some reason we didn't include it on the powerpc alternate
[23:26] <LaserJock_> what seed is that from?
[23:26] <slangasek> LaserJock_: ubuntu.gutsy/ship
[23:27] <slangasek> that's a shame, we had plenty of room for more language packs on powerpc
[23:27] <LaserJock_> are the ppc discs built from that seed?
[23:28] <slangasek> cjwatson: is it kosher to reroll the ports images for 7.10 to shove some more langpacks on?
[23:28] <slangasek> LaserJock_: yes
[23:28] <slangasek> erosa: when you installed, did you have a network connection from the computer?
[23:28] <slangasek> if so, the language packs should have still been downloaded automatically
[23:29] <erosa> slangasek, yes
[23:29] <slangasek> right, so I still don't understand what happened
[23:29] <erosa> sladen, i remember it started downlading language packs
[23:29] <slangasek> but filling the CD with langpacks would still probably be a goodidea
[23:49] <calc> how do you force reload the gnome menu without restarting gnome?
[23:49] <calc> ooo disappeared from the menu on me and i am doing bug triage :\
[23:51] <LaserJock_> calc: were you messing around with the menu?
[23:51] <LaserJock_> or it just disappeared
[23:51] <calc> LaserJock_: i think i know what happened i probably screwed up my menu entries
[23:51] <calc> reinstalling ooo now
[23:55] <jdong> calc: kill gnome-panel with HUP?
[23:56] <calc> jdong: hmm yea that would probably work
[23:56] <calc> thanks
[23:57] <jdong> np