[00:01] TheMuso: Howso? [00:02] purpleposeidon: UUIDs save you from having to re-adjust your fstab if you move a hard disk containing a Linx install from one computer to another for example. [00:02] In my case, I swapped out a PCI controller for another one in a box, and Linux just came up working, thanks to UUIDs. [00:02] Device nodes may work, but there is certainly no garentee that they will be the same for new hardware. [00:03] What happens to UUIDs when you modify partitions? [00:03] UUIDs are embedded in the filesystem metadata [00:03] purpleposeidon: I don't know. [00:03] slangasek: thanks I was wondering that [00:04] Well, it would be a nice to make them just a little bit shorter. Or descriptive. [00:04] if they were shorter, they wouldn't be UUIDs [00:04] if they were descriptive, they would be labels rather than UUIDs :) [00:05] So.... why not labels then? [00:06] I don't know, I wasn't involved in the choice [00:06] there are some catastrophic failure modes involving stale label values [00:06] perhaps because in the general case you want to use something automatic in the installer, and dual-booting can easily result in conflicting labels [00:07] TheMuso: hah (btw. seems that I've been having an enourmous lag right now, as 1 and a half minute of text suddenly popped up in my irc) [00:07] sistpoty: ouch [00:07] well, known problem for me, also known fix... /me needs only to call my isp *g* [00:08] heh [00:24] !UUID [00:24] To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID) [00:27] hello, if I customize the livecd(add new packages to it) will the new packages be installed too(when I'll do an hd install) or there's something else I should do? (I found docs from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ) === Gman is now known as GmanAFK === evand__ is now known as evand [04:58] i can't belevice [04:58] A user named ubuntu... thats different. [04:58] that someone persons here didn't make good the gutsy [04:59] BigPick, It's because he is connecting from a LiveCD session and that is the default [04:59] and i download yestrday this 7.10 and now i have much error [04:59] Ah ha, I see. [04:59] and support is in #ubuntu [04:59] this peoples who make gutsy are sucking [04:59] ubuntu: before you go blaming the developers, make sure your disc burned okay :P [04:59] ubuntu: if you want support, #ubuntu. [04:59] Hobbsee and the bad peoples making ubuntu are here [04:59] if you want to troll, you can have a kickban. [04:59] ubuntu, If you want to yell at someone pay for commercial support, [05:00] i will go and sleep,you are having problems,making shits and then the peoples install it,bah 7.04 was working good,and every times the new version is bad. [05:01] Hobbsee: It would be a bit disheartening to kickban "ubuntu" user though. :-( [05:01] minghua: you assume that i plan to kickban by username. [05:03] Didn't know you could do it by ip. [05:04] you can. otherwise it'd be pretty pointless. [05:05] Ah, good point. [05:05] ignore the idiot behind the curtain [05:06] and wildcards, etc. it works, as long as you get enough of it, and dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident) [05:07] Hobbsee: you mean IP _block_? [05:07] minghua: from the channel. yes. [05:07] Yeah banning a class A block would be... interesting [05:08] Hobbsee: Alas. I understand you can kickban according to IP instead of username. [05:08] BigPick: well, we have banned entire ISP's by accident before - or large subsets [05:08] minghua: indeed. [05:08] Hobbsee: What I was asking is: did you mean "IP block" instead of "IP" when you said "dont set the ban too wide (like banning an entire IP by accident)" [05:09] HAHAHA, good times. Nothing like a little irc passive-aggression. [05:09] I think he meant ISP [05:09] That makes sense, too. [05:09] minghua: oh, ip block, yes. [05:09] I just couldn't think of anything other than an "entire" IP... [05:09] i see nwo :) [05:09] yeah [05:10] Hobbsee: If you got creative you could use geoip and ban entire countries. [05:10] ScottK: i'd prefer *!*@*!* [05:11] oh, *!*@* [08:03] I can't get update-manager to work cause i need pygtk now i can append pygtk in python but have no idea how to make it work for ubuntu [08:03] can someone tell me how ? do i need to change the enviroment variables if so could you please send me in the right direction [08:04] i have tried to the #ubuntu channel but no one knows what i am talking about [08:05] !weekend [08:05] It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. === allee_ is now known as allee === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie === hunger_t is now known as hunger === asac_ is now known as asac [10:40] Hi! [10:41] My name is borat. [11:11] pitti: Hi, have you time to look over the debdiff in bug #154811? [11:11] Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811 [11:17] bdmurray: you talked about medibuntu-related upgrade issues...what are the bug numbers ? [11:23] let me kiss you === norsetto is now known as norsetto_limbo === norsetto_limbo is now known as norsetto === bluekuja_ is now known as bluekuja [13:26] hi, is there a way to stop drives from being added to hal [13:26] the problem is: when there is a raid set, which you usually control via dmraid [13:27] then one of the drives still has a valid partition table [13:27] and hal finds it [13:28] http://paste.debian.net/40221 [13:28] here you see an example [13:28] dmraid lists it as raid 5 [13:29] i patched the kernel + added a new dmraid to be able to access it [13:29] but that would happen with raid 0 too i think [13:30] when you try to mount it via hal you can create real damage === glledo is now known as gerard === gerard is now known as glledo [14:33] after I was stupid and told the preferences/Appearance/Theme widgit that it was OK to do the font load, how do I get back to sane size fonts on my machine? [14:39] I wish there was an emacs option to put the name of the function in the modeline [14:39] ... [14:39] oh, there is [14:39] * Keybuk hugs emacs [14:45] lamont: There's a gconf setting you can change from the command-line [15:08] pitti: hiya. i presume i cant blacklist? [15:09] pitti: can you remove kubuntu-restricted-extras (source) from hardy. it should have been the first time, i'm not sure what happened to it [15:09] hey Hobbsee [15:09] Hobbsee: blacklist what? the sync blacklist? [15:10] pitti: sorry, s/blacklist/removal things/ === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with hardy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 7.10 released! [15:10] Hobbsee: can do; what's the rationale? is there a bug about it? (please file one, to have a paper trail) [15:10] pitti: i filed you a bug last time, and we discussed this last time. [15:11] pitti: (decided to integrate it with u-r-e, not maintaining them separately) [15:11] oh, did we? I don't have the faintest memory about it, and yesterday I cleaned up archive bugs [15:11] like i say, i thought it didnt exist. [15:11] ah, ok [15:11] pitti: what does -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 do? [15:11] yes, this was the source that was in the archive for the shortest lenght of time, for a new ubuntu package :) [15:11] Keybuk: it adds some wrappers around critical functions to check arguments, IIRC [15:11] Hobbsee: ah, that one; I remember [15:11] pitti: :) [15:12] Hobbsee_laziness++ [15:12] pitti: is there a reference for it? [15:12] pitti: maybe that will stop people reporting bugs on it. [15:12] Keybuk: last time I searched for it (maybe two years ago) there wasn't a good one; kees might know [15:13] Hobbsee: done [15:13] pitti: thanks a lot [15:15] * Hobbsee tries to remember what else she was going to do. [15:18] gnargh [15:18] WHY does our glibc have an out of date version of the reference manual? === fvsfvsv is now known as dendrobates [15:20] because upstream haven't updated the docs [15:20] ok, don't mind me : [15:20] their website carries a later version of the manual than the tarball [15:21] and it doesn't have fortify_source in it anyway === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away [16:05] Keybuk: I've found nearly 0 references to the _FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 (which requires -02 or higher, btw). [16:07] keescook: "nearly zero" ? [16:07] Keybuk: I've mentioned it a few times on public mailing lists. ;P [16:07] do you know what it does? [16:07] keescook: weird that this didn't change (i. e. got documented at all) over the past years, given its popularity in Fedoar... [16:08] pitti: yeah, it's odd. I wanted to hunt down all the the features and document them. [16:08] Keybuk: I know a few things it does: [16:08] - converts strcpy, sprintf, etc functions into their +n versions when the size of a buffer is known [16:09] keescook: can you look at the debdiff in bug #154811? [16:09] - blocks %n in format strings when the target is executable memory [16:09] Launchpad bug 154811 in drupal5 "[SA-2007-{24,25,26,29,30}] Fix for several security issues in drupal 5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154811 [16:09] geser: sure, but not at the moment -- I have to drive a friend to the airport shortly. [16:09] np [16:10] Keybuk: where have you encountered it? [16:11] keescook: it generates extra compiler warnings [16:11] from a bug report from Fedora ;) [16:11] Keybuk: btw, if my first bullet didn't make sense: char buf[10]; sprintf(buf,"%s",argv[1]); turns into snprintf(buf,10,"%s",argv[1]); [16:11] Keybuk: heh. well, I'm hoping to turn it on in Debian and Ubuntu. While you're at it, try -Wformat -Wformat-security too :) [16:12] it also seems to add warn_unused_result to a lot of things [16:12] back in a bit... === saied is now known as Saied === saied is now known as Saied [17:02] OK, I've got a question..... [17:03] Why is it that, when compiz is enabled in gutsy, the desktop page preferences dialog no longer allows you to name your desktops, or explicitly add more? This seems like a bug. [17:03] particularly since you can switch off compiz, make the change, turn it back on again, and have it stick. [17:04] Ought I to submit a bug report? [17:08] pipegeek: known [17:08] Amaranth: thanks [17:09] Appreciate all the work you folks are doing. :^) === lando__ is now known as lando [17:22] mjg59: are you around ? [17:23] rohan: Hi [17:24] mjg59: hi .. can you please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/133677 ? the bug is occurring again :( [17:24] Launchpad bug 133677 in acpi-support "System unusable after resume from suspend or hibernate" [Undecided,Fix committed] [17:24] rohan: Whch aspect of it? [17:25] mjg59: resuming from suspend doesn't work [17:25] actually, it's a bit different, in that the screen backlight doesn't start at all, and the hard disk activity led shows full activity [17:26] rohan: You said it did [17:27] i am sorry .. the bug is not exactly the same this time [17:27] Then it's a different bug [17:28] should i file one more bug ? [17:29] also do i provide any more information ? [17:42] mjg59: sorry i got disconnected .. you had replied ? === rohan_ is now known as rohan === luk__ is now known as luk_ === luk__ is now known as luk_ === Mez|Away is now known as Mez === rohan__ is now known as rohan === amit1 is now known as amitk === Mez is now known as Mez|Away [20:20] I get a invalid signature from the ubuntu archive automatic signing key on gutsy-proposed. [20:20] Would it be possible to fix that? It is pretty scary:-) [20:22] hunger, it's been known to have problems due to some sort of caching in the middle (ISP, local network, etc) [20:22] beuno: Thanks for the info. I don't have anything between me an a.u.c afaik. [20:23] Well, maybe my ISP is messing something up. It is known to do such stuff. [20:23] * beuno remembers some sort of workaround in Ubuntuforums, but can't quite find it [20:38] ubuntu homepage seems badly broken unless the cache is bypassed... someone perhaps could tweak expiry settings? === Mez|Away is now known as Mez [20:52] dandaman33: Ubuntu server is reporting accurate Last-Modified/etag info..... [20:52] dandaman33: you sure you don't have an insanely aggressive proxy server between you and ubuntu? [20:54] the homepage itself loaded, but CSS and image files were loaded from the cache [20:54] lemme give this a shot on the laptop real quick, assuming i've loaded the ubuntu homepage in the past few days on there [20:55] yep, loaded fine on there === Mez is now known as Mez|Away === Mez|Away is now known as Mez === norsetto_ is now known as norsetto [22:17] Hi Ubuntu folks [22:19] Is there a guide on developing for Ubuntu? I've only done command-line development up until now and would like to start GUI programming. [22:19] attunix: most of that is done in python and pyGTK. there are good tutorials out there on that. just google it. [22:20] nemik: So it's all pyGTK? [22:20] well, not all. but most smaller ubuntu apps are written using that [22:20] thanks :) [22:21] you could of course use C or C++ and others too if you want; they have GTK libraries as well [22:21] nemik: Is there pyGTK documentation in the system? [22:21] but ubuntu and shuttleworth are all about python [22:21] attunix: not in the system from what i can tell. you might be able to apt-get documentation for GTK libraries but IMO google search is much better [22:21] I quite like to do C/C++ network dev for Ubuntu [22:22] nemik: thank you :) [22:22] np [22:24] nemik: since Python is interpreted, how can I make installers for my applications for them to run as stand-alone apps? [22:26] attunix: in python? [22:26] norsetto: pyGTK [22:26] attunix: there are some python and pygtk docs you can install [22:27] LaserJock_: such as what? [22:27] attunix: diveintopython for python [22:27] python-gtk2-tutorial, python-gtk2-doc? [22:27] "apt-cache search pygtk doc" [22:27] LaserJock: is that the one installed by default? [22:28] thanks :) [22:28] I think it's installed by default [22:28] I find devhelp good for that kind of thing [22:28] what's devhelp? [22:29] "Devhelp's primary goal is to be an API documentation browser for GNOME." [22:29] Ok. [22:29] I'll install that [22:29] attunix: installers for stand-alone apps: python has what are called "eggs", but they're horrible things that destructively interfere with packaging systems, and as such off-topic for this channel (per /topic) [22:30] you can also ship it similar to an ordinary C program too [22:31] ok [22:31] thank you! [23:04] uhm, who wrote the system requirements for Xubuntu? [23:04] 1,5 GB is just and plain wrong, it needs close to 2 GB just after install [23:11] TheK: where are you reading this? [23:11] http://www.xubuntu.com/get [23:13] ok. you should probably contact the xubuntu development list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel [23:14] hmm, I would think Xubuntu should have a smaller footprint [23:14] one would think so [23:14] Hi all, don't know if this is the right channel for this question, but here I go just in case.. I missed the pidgin.mo file, so asked a friend to locate it through dpkg and found it was in package "language-pack-gnome-es-base". He's on x86 and I'm on powerpc. So I checked I had that package installed, but without that file. Finally I found pidgin.mo in package "language-pack-es-base",which had not being installed during the installatio [23:14] n... Any idea on why is the file on different packages? [23:15] erosa: is that on 7.10? [23:15] LaserJock, yes [23:15] erosa: it could be because powerpc is no long an officially supported arch [23:16] I wonder if something got messed up and nobody noticed [23:16] LaserJock_: no, it's simply because his x86-using friend isn't running 7.10 [23:16] LaserJock, I though non official ports used the same source debs [23:16] the language packs are all arch: all packages [23:16] sladen, yes, he is [23:16] we both use 7.10 [23:16] erosa: no, he's not. :) he does not have the current version of the language packs installed. [23:17] he may have installed gutsy, but the official 7.10 release has pidgin.mo in language-pack-es-base, not in language-pack-gnome-es-base [23:18] slangasek, well, I did a fresh install and I think he dist-upgraded, cat be the reason? [23:18] s/cat/can [23:18] erosa: it's possible that he hasn't dist-upgraded to the final release, yes. [23:19] otherwise, he simply misidentified the package. But language-pack-es-base is definitely the correct package for 7.10, on all archs. [23:19] slangasek, LaserJock, thank you two :) [23:19] I was starting to think that the powerpc port was worse than expected [23:20] I'm more puzzled that language-pack-es-base wasn't installed by default, really [23:23] I installed with alternate-cd-powerpc dated 16102007 [23:23] don't know if there were more releases after that [23:24] that should be the final release [23:24] and language-pack-es-base should be on the CD [23:24] so I really don't know why it wasn't installed, if you chose Spanish at install time [23:25] Sure I did [23:26] oh, wait [23:26] * language-pack-${Languages} [i386 amd64] [23:26] right, for some reason we didn't include it on the powerpc alternate [23:26] what seed is that from? [23:26] LaserJock_: ubuntu.gutsy/ship [23:27] that's a shame, we had plenty of room for more language packs on powerpc [23:27] are the ppc discs built from that seed? [23:28] cjwatson: is it kosher to reroll the ports images for 7.10 to shove some more langpacks on? [23:28] LaserJock_: yes [23:28] erosa: when you installed, did you have a network connection from the computer? [23:28] if so, the language packs should have still been downloaded automatically [23:29] slangasek, yes [23:29] right, so I still don't understand what happened [23:29] sladen, i remember it started downlading language packs [23:29] but filling the CD with langpacks would still probably be a goodidea [23:49] how do you force reload the gnome menu without restarting gnome? [23:49] ooo disappeared from the menu on me and i am doing bug triage :\ [23:51] calc: were you messing around with the menu? [23:51] or it just disappeared [23:51] LaserJock_: i think i know what happened i probably screwed up my menu entries [23:51] reinstalling ooo now [23:55] calc: kill gnome-panel with HUP? [23:56] jdong: hmm yea that would probably work [23:56] thanks [23:57] np