[00:01] <Seeker`> there should be more people around at night
[00:02] <mneptok> whose night?
[00:02] <Seeker`> my night
[00:02] <Seeker`> its 0002 now
[00:02] <Madpilot> it's not night yet
[00:03] <Seeker`> Madpilot: It is here
[00:27] <Pici> hm.  Do we have a document somewhere on doing the d cc testing? I checked the mailing list, but didnt see anything
[00:28] <LjL> nope
[00:28] <LjL> just /ctcp and /notice the person involved
[00:28] <Pici> With the offending string?
[00:28] <LjL> yes
[00:28] <Pici> Seems easy enough.
[00:28] <LjL> make it long.
[00:28] <LjL> the string.
[00:29] <Pici> Yeah, I know that
[00:29] <Pici> er, I mean I know the string needs to be long to activate the exploit.
[00:30] <Seeker`> how long?
[00:32] <LjL> more than 14 iirc
[00:33] <LjL> i just make it long
[00:38] <Seeker`> quite a few of the questions in #ubuntu seem to be "why doesn't compiz work"
[00:40] <mneptok> it's a feature
[00:40] <mneptok> it's working so fast the human eye cannot perceive it
[00:43] <Seeker`> welcom back
[00:44] <mneptok> fankee
[01:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, World said: This is the only info I have so fa "Note: You need to have the PLF repositories to get the sun-j2re1.5 package"
[01:50] <LjL> oh, i thought something more like "World said: I'm dying!"
[01:52] <nalioth> somebody fed him some OLD info
[01:53] <jdong> nalioth: hah, no kidding
[02:00] <nalioth> i note he has no response to my question.
[02:28] <PriceChild> Hey nzero, how can I help?
[02:29] <adriyel> that's cool, I can harangue you here too.
[02:29] <nzero> i don't think that i am updated to final from beta and i can't get into ubuntu to find out
[02:29] <PriceChild> nzero, you can't get in because you were banned?
[02:29] <nzero> yes
[02:29] <Gadfly> Hi. I'm banned from the ubuntu channel, but I've never even been in it? so, anyone know why?
[02:29] <nzero> that you know
[02:29] <PriceChild> adriyel, You had been warned about his repeated language. He abused the bot, another violation of ubuntu irc guidelines, as well as calling names.
[02:29] <PriceChild> Gadfly, will deal with you in two seconds, thanks for your patience.
[02:29] <adriyel> PriceChild: *scowls* what's your old name?
[02:29] <Gadfly> PriceChild: sure, np
[02:29] <adriyel> I've never met you before, so I can't see how you'd know me.
[02:30] <PriceChild> s/his/your/ s/he/you/
[02:30] <PriceChild> nzero, Well then you should have thought about the possibility of wanting our help before doing what you did to become banned.
[02:30] <adriyel> ...your old name, on ubuntu, what is it?
[02:30] <PriceChild> adriyel, I'm not sure this is relevant.
[02:31] <adriyel> I'm sure it is, because if you're going to recall past actions I'd like to know who the hell you are
[02:31] <adriyel> if you won't grant that equity I suggest you shut the hell up about whatever it is you think I've done previously.
[02:31] <PriceChild> adriyel, I'm takling about the last 5 minutes of scrollback in that channel.
[02:31] <PriceChild> Gadfly, just checking your ban up on the bantracker now.
[02:31] <Gadfly> ok cool
[02:31] <nzero> listen, i can get in if i want to circumvent your ban but i really don't need to that , i just need to know if the repos provided in the beta are the ones the provide the final updates.
[02:32] <PriceChild> nzero, you've threatenned us with that before and you haven't done it... :/
[02:32] <adriyel> why waste the proxy on ego?
[02:32] <PriceChild> Please nzero, enough with the empty threats.
[02:32] <adriyel> then you'll just ruin a proxy
[02:32] <adriyel> he'd be stupid to do that.
[02:33] <adriyel> *swats PriceChild with 3 kilos of salmon*
[02:33] <nzero> to do that i have to disconnect my DSL, which in turn would disconnect the various servers i have going, not that there are critical systems i just am to lazy to go to by basment and do that.
[02:33] <adriyel> dynamically reassigned IP upon modem disco?
[02:33] <adriyel> convenient.
[02:33] <PriceChild> Gadfly, go by any other names on irc?
[02:33] <LjL> nzero, please circumvent whatever you feel like, and leave us alone.
[02:33] <adriyel> PriceChild: I could ask you the same.
[02:34] <adriyel> *raises eyebrow* why didn't you just answer his question?
[02:34] <Gadfly> Gadfly-AFK if that counts
[02:34] <jdong> adriyel: not a support channel
[02:34] <adriyel> and furthermore, why ban him from ops, christ. banning is the whole reason why he was here.
[02:34] <adriyel> that's like banning someone from court after they've been charged with something.
[02:34] <adriyel> redundant, see redundant.
[02:35] <PriceChild> Gadfly, not quite. Give me a couple more minutes please :)
[02:35] <Gadfly> PriceChild: I'm assuming that its my hostmask thats banned then?
[02:35] <jdong> adriyel: ops bans do not last for long, they are just to temporarily avoid rejoin spam
[02:35] <adriyel> also, this whole bureaucracy exists to help ubuntu users, or have you forgotten that because you keep masturbating to your ban sticks?
[02:35] <adriyel> so, despite this not being an official support channel, why didn'
[02:35] <adriyel> didn't you just answer the goddamn question?
[02:35] <LjL> adriyel, why don't you mind your own ban?
[02:35] <LjL> adriyel, you're going to be muted very shortly.
[02:35] <adriyel> why don't you remember why you're here?
[02:35] <adriyel> he wanted help.
[02:35] <PriceChild> adriyel, ok lets stop, breathe, and remember what's going on here.
[02:36] <adriyel> I'm sorry, was I talking to you?
[02:36] <LjL> he didn't want help adriyel. he's trolled for a months. we know him.
[02:36] <PriceChild> adriyel, This is #ubuntu-ops. It is for people's operator/abuse questions.
[02:36] <LjL> i don't know
[02:36] <PriceChild> adriyel, I suggest you /msg ubotu guidelines and read them fully.
[02:36] <PriceChild> adriyel, once you are done there, please pm me and I will lift the mute here so that we can discuss this calmly and civilised.
[02:37] <Gadfly> PriceChild: don't worry about the ban,google finally answered my question
[02:37] <PriceChild> I may have been wrong in my actions in -offtopic, but with the attitude you have displayed so far in #ubuntu and this channel, you're not going to get anywhere.
[02:38] <PriceChild> Gadfly, ok, well I've poked the op who made a ban and we'll see what they say. congrats on the googling
[02:38] <nalioth> adriyel: are you familiar with what goes on in here?
[02:38] <nalioth> oh, woops
[02:39] <nzer1> have i made my point yet
[02:39] <nzer1> i will tell everyone who to do this
[02:39] <nzer1> stop being hatefull dictators
[02:40] <nzer1> otherwise i will have to take more measures
[02:40] <rob> sounds like fun.
[02:41] <Seeker`> "take more measures"?
[02:42] <Seeker`> what, like change his nick again?
[02:42] <PriceChild> Seeker`, He was ban evoiding just then.
[02:42] <LjL> Seeker`: probably wants to home-build a weather station or something
[02:42] <rob> I wonder what ubuntu* nick he uses today
[02:42] <nalioth> Seeker`: no, he went all out.
[02:42] <Seeker`> nalioth: he changed his IP too?
[02:42] <nalioth> Seeker`: you can see the same info i can see
[02:43] <adriyel> why huh-woh.
[02:43] <adriyel> well PriceChild?
[02:44] <PriceChild> Ok adriyel, do you understand why you were remove/banned?
[02:45] <adriyel> with the implication of agreement? no. Am I cognizant? Yes. Will I step more carefully? Why not, since you're perched like a hawk waiting for an excuse.
[02:46] <PriceChild> adriyel, do you understand why you were remove/banned?
[02:46] <adriyel> this could turn into a really bad turing test.
[02:46] <LjL> haha
[02:46] <LjL> erm sorry
[02:46] <adriyel> *pokes you* Atari 2600, are you there?
[02:46] <Madpilot> only if you want it to
[02:46] <jdong> Madpilot: why do you feel that only if you want it to?
[02:47] <adriyel> PriceChild, Oui, puisque je ne semblent pas avoir un autre choix.
[02:47] <PriceChild> !en > adriyel (see the pm from ubotu)
[02:47] <PriceChild> adriyel, I'm not really in the mood for playing games :/
[02:47] <Madpilot> jdong, be glad @lart doesn't work anymore :)
[02:47] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, because i don't seem to have another choice
[02:47] <adriyel> oh come on, I wanted to see how many rules/regs I could evoke before you unbanned me :D
[02:48] <thedefender> ok this is how it is, if people don't start respecting users on this server on stop being drunk with the little bit of power you have I am going to have to go above heads
[02:48] <thedefender> something along the lines of getting operator status revoked
[02:48] <adriyel> thedefender: bad start.
[02:48] <PriceChild> LjL, My french isn't that bad ;)
[02:48] <nalioth> thedefender: is there something we can help you with?
[02:48] <adriyel> I'd suggest disco'ing, coming back, and trying again.
[02:48] <PriceChild> adriyel, do you understand why you were remove/banned?
[02:48] <adriyel> no one can really go over their heads, it's their channel.
[02:48] <LjL> PriceChild: how could i know.
[02:48] <thedefender> no i am tired of seeing this
[02:48] <thedefender> this people are terrible ops
[02:48] <adriyel> PriceChild, Ja, meine Liebe.
[02:48] <PriceChild> thedefender, Could you give us an example of where an operator has acted inappropriately and we could sort thigns out?
[02:48] <adriyel> thedefender: you can do nothing, you're wasting keyboard lifetime.
[02:49] <adriyel> PriceChild: that's like asking for some wheat in a farmer's field. Don't ask questions like that, it makes baby satan cry.
[02:49] <PriceChild> adriyel, I'm trying to help you, but you are ignoring my questions and just not helping yourself
[02:49] <adriyel> I responded!
[02:49] <thedefender> no, forget it
[02:49] <adriyel> yes!
[02:49] <adriyel> yes I understand!
[02:49] <adriyel> gah.
[02:49] <PriceChild> thedefender, then I'm afraid there is nothing that we can do :/
[02:49] <thedefender> i am just going to mail a friend who mark trust and get him to take care i
[02:49] <thedefender> it
[02:49] <PriceChild> thedefender, either you call us out, and tell us "I think you did that wrong", and we can discuss it... or things stay as they are.
[02:49] <nalioth> thedefender: what is "it" of which you speak?
[02:50] <PriceChild> thedefender, We are all open to criticism, as long as you don't just join a channel, tell us we're rubbish, be completely unconstructive then say it doesn't matter.
[02:50] <thedefender> the fact the you are banning people in a support channel if your tired of seeing what someone says then people do have the option of ingnoring them
[02:50] <LjL> no sorry
[02:50] <LjL> seriously
[02:50] <thedefender> seriously
[02:50] <LjL> "i think i'm going to mail a friend of mark" no i won't stand this
[02:50] <LjL> mail him
[02:51] <nalioth> adriyel: let us be civil here, please
[02:51] <adriyel> Context sensitive mute I see.
[02:51] <adriyel> I said yes four times to his question.
[02:51] <adriyel> or was it three?
[02:51] <adriyel> *shrugs*
[02:51] <PriceChild> adriyel, I would be totally happy with removing your ban in -offtopic in the next 10 minutes if I could just see a change in attitude.
[02:51] <adriyel> I said yes.
[02:51] <PriceChild> adriyel, We have guidelines for a reason in #*buntu* channels, and request that all users follow them, or do not take part.
[02:52] <adriyel> *ponders of times of yore*
[02:53] <adriyel> so what about #adriyubuntu-el?
[02:53] <adriyel>  :D
[02:53] <adriyel> but in all seriousness.
[02:53] <adriyel> yes, I'll not cross the line 'gain.
[02:53] <adriyel> especially if it's going to involve this much time again.
[02:54] <jdong> adriyel: humor us and pretend to be respectful when in Ubuntu channels, so we can all get on to better things. This is the 4th time you've said something that'll get you unbanned, then immediately follow up with a wise crack that makes us second-guess your motives
[02:55] <adriyel> it's like a pogo stick.
[02:55] <PriceChild> adriyel, You do have a history, you've been banned from -offtopic before.
[02:55] <adriyel> really?
[02:55] <adriyel> I'll play nice with the other children, ok?
[02:55] <PriceChild> adriyel, You would probably be surprised at what we know.
[02:55] <PriceChild> adriyel, That's just not enoguh....
[02:56] <adriyel> I know exactly where you keep all your records, I'm not ignorant.
[02:56] <PriceChild> you can't just call people douches
[02:56] <adriyel> which falls under the ken of playing nice.
[02:56] <PriceChild> The users of the Ubuntu channels are not "other children".
[02:56] <adriyel> funny. that's not the impression I get from this environment
[02:56] <adriyel> at least as far as you guys consider the matter.
[02:57] <PriceChild> We're also not all guys :)
[02:57] <adriyel> I'm also aware of that
[02:57] <adriyel> plenty of female finns in the vicinity, thanks.
[02:57] <adriyel> amongst others.
[02:57] <Madpilot> we expect people to generally act like adults. Or at least convincingly fake it. You're not convincing, currently.
[02:57] <jdong> adriyel: do you want to resolve this, or just sit here and flame everyone to your satisfaction?
[02:57] <adriyel> resolution is good, and I'm not flaming.
[02:57] <adriyel> flaming would be cursing your mothers.
[02:57] <jdong> adriyel: your current behavior is not helping
[02:58] <adriyel> I'm being truthfully poignant, my apologies.
[02:58] <adriyel> Better here than -offtopic or otherwise.
[02:58] <adriyel> I'd rather raise my points here than in an open arena, and I'm sure you'd prefer the same.
[02:58] <adriyel> it's not like you need a curmudgeon uprising.
[02:58] <nalioth> but you're not raising points, you're throwing barbs
[02:58] <adriyel> sometimes truth can hurt.
[02:59] <adriyel> again, I'm not insulting any of your intelligence, nor your attractiveness, nor your mothers. I'm raising (sharp) points.
[02:59] <jdong> adriyel: I make points by writing wiki pages and e-mails expressing my disagreements and proposing solutions.... funny how we all have our ways of voicing disagreement.
[02:59] <adriyel> ah yes. writing emails.
[02:59] <adriyel> Yes, that's changed a lot...or not. Honestly it's rather endemic to almost all the hierarchy
[03:00] <adriyel> I'm aware that my efforts are largely...
[03:00] <adriyel> futile.
[03:00] <adriyel> but if I at least raise the points, I can say I did that much.
[03:00] <PriceChild> Anyway adriyel.
[03:00] <adriyel> yes?
[03:00] <PriceChild> adriyel, I hope you truly understand the reason for your ban. It will be lifted in 48 hours.
[03:00] <adriyel> hmm. running on a 1200 baud modem?
[03:01] <adriyel> I remember you quoting 10 minutes earlier. That must be because rush hour hit your area or something
[03:01] <adriyel> might want to swab out the tubes sometime.
[03:01] <LjL> i'd like to know what is being blabbered about.
[03:01] <adriyel> lag.
[03:01] <jdong> ok seriously, we've all got better ways to spend our time
[03:02] <adriyel> yes, well, I'm banned until two days from now, so I'm afraid I have no better way to spend my time than to talk with you folks.
[03:02] <adriyel> anyone here play drunk jenga? XD
[03:02] <PriceChild> adriyel, this channel is for operator/abuse questions only.
[03:02] <adriyel> ohhh...yeah...there is an offtopic conversation channel isn't there?
[03:02] <adriyel> buuuuut, I'm banned.
[03:02] <adriyel> fancy that.
[03:02] <adriyel> well I can't talk in #ubuntu.
[03:02] <PriceChild> Should have thought about that before you got banned.
[03:03] <adriyel> at your discretion, not my own.
[03:03] <LjL> adriyel: please be back in 48 hours. no need to say anything further.
[03:03] <PriceChild> adriyel, If you have no further business here, then see you in 48 hours.
[03:03] <adriyel> anything further.
[03:03] <jdong> guys?
[03:03] <LjL> when i say something, i mean it.
[03:03] <jdong> there we go
[03:03] <jdong> should've been done 10 minutes ago IMO
[03:03] <jdong> it was pretty apparent he had no intentions of cooperating
[03:04] <PriceChild> meh :/
[03:04] <PriceChild> "you never know"
[03:04] <PriceChild> I always hate it when people have to be banned from here.
[03:05] <PriceChild> Talking about that... should probably remove some old ones.
[03:05] <Madpilot> he was begging for it
[03:05] <jdong> ok I removed Airforce55555 [n=stephen@68-188-118-34.static.stls.mo.charter.com] in #uf because his client was rapidly joining/parting... I'm sure it's a network problem and he doesn't mean for it....
[03:05] <jdong> so if he comes and complains please remove it if I'm not around
[03:05] <Madpilot> did you ban-forward him here?
[03:06] <PriceChild> wow so many bans in here in the past few days..
[03:06] <PriceChild> *leaves them alone for now*
[03:06] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: ping?
[03:07] <jdong> Madpilot: no, I didn't... should I have?
[03:07] <jdong> Madpilot: I'd rather not have him joining and parting in here every 20 seconds
[03:07] <PriceChild> nah
[03:08] <Madpilot> jdong, good point
[03:08] <Madpilot> leave it, I guess
[03:11] <PriceChild> Madpilot, shall we try removing your bans too?
[03:12] <PriceChild> that tor user must have gone :P
[03:12] <Madpilot> go ahead
[03:12] <Madpilot> pull the one by tonyy too
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> hrm?
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> oh, that - suer
[03:13] <tonyyarusso> *sure
[03:13] <LjL> -> bed
[03:13] <PriceChild> will leave sev's ones incase he bites :P
[03:13] <LjL> err, sure about afterdeath?
[03:14] <PriceChild> jcastro, zylche, can I help?
[03:14] <PriceChild> and woooo I think I've beaten thedefender
[03:14] <LjL> beaten?
[03:15] <PriceChild> erm, convinced
[03:15] <LjL> oh, i hoped you'd beaten him.
[03:15] <Madpilot> with a large object
[03:15] <LjL> ok, as i was saying
[03:15] <PriceChild> hobbsee's LPS
[03:15] <LjL> -> bed
[03:15] <PriceChild> sleep well
[03:15] <PriceChild> Gah I should be off soon too.
[03:32] <Vorian> yeah Pricey, what time is it for you/
[03:32] <Vorian> ?*
[03:32] <PriceChild> erm late
[03:32] <nalioth> Vorian: /ctcp PriceChild time
[03:32] <PriceChild> or early depending on how you look at it.
[03:32] <Vorian> nalioth, thanks for the tip :)
[03:32] <jdong> cool
[03:33] <jdong> didn't know that
[03:33]  * jdong annoyingly does it some more
[03:33] <jdong> lol is it possible to ctcp a whole channel and annoy the piss outta everyone?
[03:33] <PriceChild> Yes... but don't if you value your presence :P
[03:34] <Vorian> kewl
[03:34] <jdong> PriceChild: lol... is that a "feature" of irc?
[03:34] <jdong> Vorian: erm, I'm in the same timezone as you :D
[03:34] <Vorian> I know
[03:34] <Vorian> !
[03:34] <nalioth> jdong: _any_ channel CTCPs are likely to get an unexpected response
[03:34]  * jdong runs with laptop while timing Vorian and PriceChild , to confirm special relativity
[03:35]  * Vorian trips jdong 
[03:35] <jdong> nooooooooo
[03:35] <jdong> I lost my u_0 reference point!
[03:35] <jdong> nalioth: what is an unexpected response?
[03:36] <nalioth> jdong: google "what is unexpected"
[03:36] <nalioth> and don't be dense  :|
[03:37] <jdong> nalioth: you mean a billion people will be pissed on me and I'll likely not be connected to irc.freenode.org much longer, or the client misbehaves and reports weird data?
[03:37] <jdong> sorry, not trying to be dense... just tired and not thinking
[03:37] <nalioth> that all falls under "unexpected"
[03:37] <thedefender> so then see i am dealing with some cowards, who sit behind there little box and believe they have some influence on the world. A little tip, turn the box, go out to a park or a bar and start talking to people, be a little social face to face. Then maybe, you might understand why some people get banned unjustly and how it adversely affects this community. Learn about humans, otherwise go work on mainframes in some windowl
[03:38] <thedefender> i leave you with that punks
[03:38] <Vorian> huh?
[03:38] <jdong> he didn't even finish his rant
[03:38] <Vorian> I don't work on mainframes :(
[03:39] <jdong> I wish I worked on mainframes
[03:39] <Vorian> just silly lawnmowers and stoves
[03:39] <jdong> Vorian: that beats chemistry and math homework
[03:39] <Vorian> true
[03:39] <Vorian> you win jdong 
[03:44] <Madpilot> erm, is thedefender supposed to be in #ubuntu?
[03:48] <Vorian> seems that thedefender was just upset people were getting kicked from this channel
[03:49] <Madpilot> ah, OK. been so may trolls thru here lately I can't keep track. Aren't releases fun?
[03:49] <Vorian> I just scrolled up :P
[03:49] <Vorian> he doesn't like drunk people either
[03:50] <Madpilot> I saw the episode here, but missed whatever had brought him here.
[03:55]  * rob finally gets on the mailing list
[04:43] <nalioth> anybody take care of G0dl1k3 and his onjoin spamming?
[04:44] <nalioth> anyone getting onjoin spam in #ubuntu ?  i am not getting anything
[04:46]  * nalioth took care of it
[05:41] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, pong?
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: wondering how you managed to pull off getting free food
[05:43] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  we sent 5 letters
[05:44] <effie_jayx> in those letters you specify what the event if intended for
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Are these letters in Spanish or English?
[05:45] <effie_jayx> These are in spanish
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> (wondering how you went about asking successfully, so I could emulate it sometime)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> boo
[05:45]  * tonyyarusso is unilingual
[05:45] <effie_jayx> The way this works is simple
[05:45] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I could translate them for you no problem
[05:45] <effie_jayx> but there are cultural aspects we might have to discuss
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: That would be appreciated.
[05:46] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  let me get this event over... and I will gladly show you how to taste fully ask for it
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: sure
[05:47] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I am still running around with the registration system developed at the university to controll the registration
[05:48] <effie_jayx> there are over 20 people ready to go
[05:48] <effie_jayx> 250
[05:48] <effie_jayx> sorry
[05:48] <effie_jayx> and I am a bit unsure about how to address the crowd
[05:48] <effie_jayx> there are people that do not know squad about ubuntu
[05:49] <effie_jayx> and there are ubuntu users
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> Ours will probably be like that too
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> but like 1/10 the size
[07:31] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:57] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: /home is To move your /home to a separate partition follow http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[09:03] <jussi01> !home | Jordan_U: 
[09:03] <ubotu> Jordan_U:: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[09:03] <jussi01> ;)
[09:04] <jussi01> Jordan_U: anything else we can help with?
[09:04] <Jordan_U> jussi01, Get update-manager to let me upgrade to Gutsy ;)
[09:05] <jussi01> Jordan_U: thats not an OP problem. sorry. Please join #ubuntu / #kubuntu for support
[09:07] <Jordan_U> jussi01, I was joking 
[09:07] <Jordan_U> :)
[09:08] <jussi01> hehe... :)
[09:52] <ubotu> In Ubotu, arashOio said: !kiba-dock is Kiba Dock is a dock, a way to access programs and windows in an interactive manner. Probably the most common example today is the dock in Mac OS X. Kiba Dock is specifically made for Linux operating systems, running under either the GNOME and KDE destkop environments. However, unlike the other systems available, it uses the Akamaru physics engine to render complex interactions.
[10:44] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, poke
[11:01] <ch40s> I need to be tested
[11:12] <rob> been tested yet?
[11:12] <rob> you know you can avoid the problem by just connecting on freenode on port 8001 instead of 6667
[11:13] <ch40s> i thought i did
[11:13] <ch40s> i changed it in GAIM
[11:14] <rob> looks good to me
[11:15] <ch40s> i really just want to get nvidia drivers on gutsy, this is crazy
[11:15] <ch40s> :-/
[11:16] <rob> okay you are free to enter
[11:17] <ch40s> ty
[11:48] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:12] <Seeker`> anyone about?
[12:12] <Tm_T> ?
[12:12] <Seeker`> Tm_T: I was wondering if someone wanted to do somethig about the joins/parts
[12:13] <Tm_T> I cant, sorry
[12:17] <Seeker`> LjL-Temp: you there?
[12:30] <Amaranth> !ops
[12:30] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[12:30] <ubotu> Amaranth called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[12:30]  * Seeker` wasn't sure if it was worth a !ops or not
[12:30] <Amaranth> They're not regulars and they're intentionally spamming with the hopping
[12:31] <Amaranth> Seveas: can't ban tor, don't we allow tor in #ubuntu now?
[12:31] <Seveas> we don't
[12:31] <Amaranth> ok then, ban away :)
[12:31] <Seveas> and the ban is only temporary
[12:31] <Seveas> until those a*holes die or something ;)
[12:31] <Amaranth> until they give up
[12:32] <Amaranth> Wow, you know we've had a release when I have an uptime longer than 24 hours
[12:32] <Amaranth>  06:31:15 up 3 days,  3:29,  2 users,  load average: 0.23, 0.14, 0.10
[12:33] <Seeker`> Amaranth: ?
[12:33] <Seeker`> why is that?
[12:33] <Amaranth> Seeker`: I'm not restarting daily to test new stuff
[12:33] <Seeker`> Amaranth: ah, ok :)
[12:33] <Seeker`> Amaranth: How soon will you start testing hardy?
[12:34] <stdin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule :)
[12:34] <Amaranth> I think my last longest uptime was from feisty final freeze to the toolchain upload to hardy
[12:34] <Amaranth> Seeker`: When it opens
[12:34] <Amaranth> s/hardy/gutsy/
[12:53] <Amaranth> Dunno if you guys noticed but winchesterPAT was probing in #ubuntu-devel
[13:40] <ompaul> %btlogin
[13:40] <ompaul> Seveas, are you about?
[13:41] <Tm_T> hummtidumm
[13:41] <ompaul> Seveas, when you do see this (scrollback ftw) have a look at the bugbot it ain't in the best of health 
[13:42] <ompaul> ban tracker threw such a large exception the sun was blocked out for a moment :)
[13:42] <ompaul> it happy again
[13:42] <ompaul> Seveas, IGNORE
[14:11] <Amaranth> Gary: http://dev.realistanew.com/xchat
[14:11] <Gary> yay
[14:11] <Gary> thanks
[14:33] <gnomefreak> in Sevea_s' cs script is /k == remove or kick?
[14:34] <stdin> remove
[14:34] <gnomefreak> so /kb is remove and ban?
[14:35] <stdin> yeah
[14:35] <gnomefreak> cool ty
[14:37] <gnomefreak> once they fix tab completion this could be a nice client
[14:37] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome? :)
[14:37] <gnomefreak> xchat
[14:38] <Amaranth> what's wrong with tab completion?
[14:38] <Amaranth> you don't like that you have to have enough to match only one nick before it'll do anything?
[14:40] <gnomefreak> yeah it takes alot more of the name needed to match it would be nicer to do it like irssi where it puts nick in and you can scroll through them with tab
[14:40] <Amaranth> yeah, that'd be neat
[14:40] <Amaranth> not usually needed unless you have LjL and LjL-Temp or something like that
[14:40] <gnomefreak> but its more of what im used to i guess i can gert used to this as well or hack it a bit and see
[14:40] <LjL> Amaranth: a sane client gives you LjL by default without much further ado
[14:41] <gnomefreak> Amaranth, im having a hell of a time in #ubuntu with nick completion ;)
[14:41] <Amaranth> LjL: A sane client also has a GUI
[14:41] <LjL> yup
[14:41] <Amaranth> So I guess no sane client exists
[14:41] <LjL> hm
[14:41] <stdin> I like the way konversation does it, it makes a drop-down list sorted by who last spoke
[14:41] <Amaranth> A sane client also isn't Qt :P
[14:41] <gnomefreak> sane and gui in same sentence :(
[14:42] <LjL> stdin: konversation mostly has a sane interface, no matter what they say
[14:42] <LjL> it's just the rest that isn't sane
[14:42] <LjL> oooh updates
[14:42] <Amaranth> tzdata
[14:42] <Amaranth> worthless
[14:42] <LjL> bah
[14:43]  * LjL kills -9 apt-get
[14:43] <gnomefreak> my biggest issue with gui clients is you HAVE to use the damn mouse
[14:43] <Amaranth> automatix, is that you?
[14:43] <LjL> gnomefreak: uhm, an instance of that?
[14:43] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: you can do everything in xchat-gnome without the mouse
[14:43] <LjL> Amaranth: no, i'm his brother
[14:43] <gnomefreak> changing windows
[14:43] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: If you couldn't it wouldn't be very accessible
[14:44] <Daviey> geez.. I hate to agree with Amaranth - but Qt does suck rocks
[14:44] <gnomefreak> ctrl+alt+n and +p dont work /win isnt a command
[14:44] <LjL> gnomefreak: i hit alt+left/right
[14:44] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: alt-up/down in xchat-gnome
[14:44] <gnomefreak> ljLin xchat it moves the windows to a different spot
[14:45] <LjL> gnomefreak: that's what *shift*+alt+left/right does here
[14:45] <Amaranth> xchat sucks, we all know this
[14:45] <gnomefreak> ddoesnt work in xchat
[14:45] <gnomefreak> yes you are not kidding
[14:45] <Amaranth> xchat-gnome ftw
[14:45] <LjL> of course though, every shortcut in kde is configurable, so i couldn't even say i'm using the default shortcuts i guess :)
[14:45] <gnomefreak> does xchat-gnome use the cs script as well?
[14:45] <Amaranth> yeah
[14:45] <Amaranth> the only part that doesn't work is automatically unmuting yourself
[14:46] <Amaranth> but you can just /cs u
[14:46]  * gnomefreak still hasnt a clue what ftw meanss :(
[14:46] <Amaranth> ftw = for the win
[14:46] <LjL> gnomefreak: nobody does
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:46] <LjL> or teh
[14:46] <gnomefreak> ljL;)
[14:46] <gnomefreak> see grrrrrrrrr
[14:46] <LjL> ok, ok
[14:47] <gnomefreak> i had nick completion brb gonna see if i can reamedy this.
[14:47] <LjL> he'll be back though :P
[14:47] <gnomefreak> Amaranth, what are my chances of getting xchat-gnome on windows?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> :(
[14:47] <Amaranth> zero
[14:47] <gnomefreak> thought so
[14:47] <gnomefreak> i wonder if i caan get perl support or irssi for win.
[14:48] <gnomefreak> so i can use my scripts
[14:48] <LjL> irssi you should be able to get i assume
[14:48]  * gnomefreak goes off to google
[14:48] <LjL> why are you on windows for starters?
[14:48] <LjL> :P
[14:48] <gnomefreak> LjL, fixing someone elses windows pc and using mine for reffernces
[14:49] <LjL> gnomefreak: http://joshdick.net/programming/irssi-win32-0.8.12.exe
[14:49] <gnomefreak> sweet ty\
[14:50] <Amaranth> ljLgrr
[14:51] <Amaranth> l: test
[14:51] <Amaranth> hrm
[14:51] <LjL> LjL: hey, how come i can talk to you just by typing "lj: hey, how come i can talk to you just by typing "lj: hey, how
[14:54] <Amaranth_> LjL, crap it works in xchat but not xchat-gnome
[14:55] <Amaranth_> xchat works exactly like irssi
[14:55] <gnomefreak> i wish
[14:55] <Amaranth_> typing 'l' then tab goes through LjL, LjL-Temp, and LongPointyStick
[14:56] <gnomefreak> lits lists them in window here
[14:56] <gnomefreak> and clumped together so its hard to readd
[14:56] <Amaranth_> gnomefreak, /set completion_amount 0
[14:56] <LjL> Amaranth_: same here, but here if i type "lj" i get only LjL and LjL-Temp, with "ljl" pre-typed in... then i can just hit another key to make the list go away
[14:56] <gnomefreak> still no luck
[14:57] <Amaranth_> actually that seems to have no affect
[14:57] <Amaranth_> so it just doesn't work on windows
[14:57] <gnomefreak> right
[14:57] <LjL> to get to ljl by just typing "l", i have to type "l" then tab twice
[14:57] <gnomefreak> bgut its changilbe i hope
[14:57] <gnomefreak> ut oh
[14:57] <gnomefreak> brb lost something
[14:57] <Amaranth_> LjL, so konversation doesn't even do it as well
[14:57]  * Amaranth_ is going to fix xchat-gnome
[14:58] <LjL> Amaranth_: depends what you want. i doubt i'd ever actually use the *list*
[14:58] <LjL> i only use the list as an indicator of "too few characters typed", and type some more
[14:58] <LjL> just like the beep in bash you know
[14:58] <Amaranth> so that's the same as xchat-gnome
[14:59] <Amaranth> except you can probably select something from the list while it just shows it
[14:59] <LjL> Amaranth: xchat's "auto-complete-without-requesting" feature is totally annoying
[15:00] <LjL> if there's, say, someone whose nick starts with "so", and you start a sentence with "so"... bah
[15:00] <Amaranth> that's where you type 'l: foo' and it fills in the nick no matter what
[15:00] <Amaranth> that is annoying and not enabled by default
[15:00] <LjL> good that it isn't.
[15:00] <Amaranth> or not enabled here anyway and i don't remember changing it
[15:00] <Amaranth> then again i've had the same /home for like 18 months now
[15:02] <Amaranth> 		/* more than one match - print a list of options
[15:02] <Amaranth> 		 * to the window and update the prefix
[15:02] <Amaranth> 		 */
[15:02] <Amaranth> *stab*
[15:05] <LjL> Amaranth: look don't whine. the client i have on my *phone*, meaning i only have a keypad with t9, not only doesn't have tab completion, but it doesn't even add the nicknames to the t9 list.
[15:05] <Amaranth> ouch
[15:08] <PriceChild> Aww i love this internet connection :)
[15:10] <LjL> ok i'll have to write my own irc proxy
[15:10] <LjL> i can't check out 5 of them just to find out that each one sucks
[15:13] <thunderstruck> ok now to seee if i can get scripts to work
[15:14] <ubotu> bsund called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:21] <PriceChild> * picard_pwns_kirk (n=n00b@d149-67-116-206.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #ubuntu
[15:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, saloxin said: !hug is aww how nice
[15:25] <jrib> !thanks > saloxin
[15:25] <Seveas> hehe
[15:25] <Seveas> !thanks
[15:25] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[15:28] <Gary> * picard_pwns_kirk (n=n00b@d149-67-116-206.try.wideopenwest.com) has left #ubuntu ("They killed init! You bastards!")
[15:28] <Gary> nice part message
[15:29] <LjL> only nice thing he's got i bet
[15:36] <PriceChild> hm
[15:39] <picard_pwns_kirk> I would like to make an appeal
[15:40] <PriceChild> picard_pwns_kirk, Hey :)
[15:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> I was recently banned from #ubuntu-offtopic and would like to apologize for my actions
[15:41] <PriceChild> What would you like to appeal picard_pwns_kirk... the ban in -offtopic 25 minutes ago?
[15:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> yes
[15:41] <PriceChild> picard_pwns_kirk, Why did you do what you did?
[15:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> well, someone yelled "FLOOD" and I thought it was to flood the channel
[15:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> after rereading the code of conduct, I realize what I did was wrong
[15:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> and it will not happen again
[15:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> you have my promise.
[15:45] <PriceChild> one moment
[15:46] <picard_pwns_kirk> thank you
[15:51] <PriceChild> Sorry I'm back.
[15:51] <PriceChild> picard_pwns_kirk, after public discussion that there appeared to be no ops in the channel, you decided to flood.
[15:52] <PriceChild> To me that is malicious... and when is it _ever_ acceptable to flood?
[15:52] <picard_pwns_kirk> I had no malicious intent
[15:52] <PriceChild> The ban stands.
[15:52] <PriceChild> Come back in a week.
[15:52] <picard_pwns_kirk> thank you, anyway
[15:56] <gnomefreak> can someone pastebin auto_sev(sp) for irssi
[15:58] <LjL> apt-get install vseveas
[15:58] <gnomefreak> i cant find it 
[16:00] <Tm_T> muh muh
[16:05] <Amaranth_> I've gotten xchat-gnome to the point where it always picks the first match
[16:05] <Amaranth_> but you can't keep tabbing to cycle through yet
[16:08] <Amaranth_> YAY
[16:10] <Amaranth_> hrm, it always puts in a comma
[16:10] <gnomefre1k> hmmmmm
[16:11] <gnomefre1k> about time
[16:21] <Amaranth_> sorry guys, this keeps crashing
[16:21] <Amaranth_> except when i run it under gdb
[16:22] <Amaranth_> LjL: haha your clone can't trip me up anymore :)
[16:22] <Amaranth_> brb with my main nick
[16:37] <Amaranth> wtf why doesn't it work now?
[16:37] <Amaranth> no way
[16:43] <Amaranth_> weird
[16:44]  * Amaranth_ stabs
[16:47] <Amaranth_> what the hell
[16:48] <ompaul> hmmm 
[16:48] <ompaul> hmmm 
[16:49] <ompaul> \o/ 
[16:49] <Amaranth> ok i'm about to revert this mess
[16:49] <Amaranth> it crashes when installed but not when run from the build dir
[16:50] <Seveas> Amaranth, in short: you suck :p
[16:51] <Amaranth> oh well, it mostly works :P
[16:52] <Amaranth> I'll just run it from the build dir until i feel like screwing with it
[16:52] <Seveas> communism mostly works as well :p
[16:53] <Seeker`> Seveas: no, its just works in theory
[16:53] <Seveas> I'm pretty sure Amaranth's patches also work in theory :)
[16:56] <Amaranth> Wakeups-from-idle per second : 17.0
[16:56] <Amaranth> yay
[16:58] <Seveas> Wakeups-from-idle per second : 311.2    interval: 5.0s
[16:58] <Amaranth> haha :P
[16:58] <Amaranth> and i'm even running compiz
[16:59] <Seveas> i915 30%
[16:59] <Seveas> usb 25%
[16:59] <Amaranth> you're running compiz too
[16:59] <Seveas> yup
[16:59] <Amaranth> and have bluetooth enabled?
[16:59] <Seveas> yup
[16:59] <Amaranth> there you go
[17:00] <Amaranth> i have bluetooth disabled and nvidia does dynamic vblank
[17:07] <Seveas> xchat is doing 15 timeouts/sec
[17:18] <Amaranth> Seveas: yeah, xchat is a bitch :p
[17:18] <Amaranth> did you know about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:19] <jdong> Amaranth: those numbers would be with wifi off, right?
[17:19] <jdong> Amaranth: or is intel wifi that good?
[17:19] <ompaul> Seveas, I have changed WEP to include other info
[17:19] <ompaul> !WEP
[17:19] <ubotu> wep is WEP is totally insecure, don't use it, the full Wireless Documentation for Ubuntu can be found at:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:19] <ompaul> wqoops
[17:19] <ompaul> !WEP
[17:19] <ompaul> doh!
[17:20] <ompaul> the 30 second rule
[17:20] <ompaul> !WEP
[17:20] <ubotu> WEP is totally insecure, don't use it, the full Wireless Documentation for Ubuntu can be found at:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:21] <Seeker`> hmm, I had 450 wfi / second, i shut firefox and amarok, and it dropped to 127
[17:22] <jdong> Atheros, on idle, is around like 50/sec
[17:22] <jdong> I suspect it's the beacon interval
[17:22] <jdong> and pfft WEP is still good as a basic deterrent
[17:22]  * jdong hugs his PPTP MPPE VPN setup :D
[17:23] <ompaul> jdong, it is not - it gives people the idea that they are actually secure - a total lie
[17:24] <ompaul> jdong, give me 60 seconds near you and I read your traffic
[17:24] <jdong> ompaul: I acknowledge that WEP can be broken with the proper tools in about 30 seconds or less
[17:24] <Seeker`> ompaul: If you have a WEP secured network, and an unsecured one, people iwll choose to use the unsecured one to steal internets
[17:24] <jdong> ompaul: but as far as stopping the average guy driving around looking for an open AP to surf on, it works fine
[17:24] <ompaul> Seeker`, so suggest something stronger ;-) -- is that not the logical step?
[17:25] <jdong> ompaul: of course if your AP and clients support WPA, there's little reason why not to use it :)
[17:25] <ompaul> hehe
[17:26] <jdong> My old setup while I still had a cheap 802.11g non-WPA router was to use the router in cleartext.... because WEP actually halved bandwidth
[17:26] <jdong> then I set up a MPPE PPTP VPN server on a Ubuntu box on the wired segment
[17:26] <jdong> and gave everyone in my house instructions on how to authenticate to a PPTP VPN
[17:26] <jdong> worked beautifully on all OS'es, and reasonably secure.... (the wifi segment was not routed anywhere else)
[17:27] <jdong> extremely overkill, but what can I say? I'm cheap and don't like buying new hardware!
[17:28] <ompaul> perhaps I should put that in the factoid
[17:29] <Amaranth> jdong: that's with wifi on
[17:29] <Amaranth> jdong: iwl3945
[17:30] <jdong> Amaranth: wow, souinds like Intel actually cares about the whole wakeups thing :)
[17:30] <Amaranth> ompaul: You need a massive amount of packets to crack modern WEP implementations
[17:31] <jdong> Amaranth: no you don't.... you need an injectable wifi driver and about 30 seconds with aircrack-ng
[17:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, that is pure bullshit :)
[17:31] <jdong> at least the last time I tried, that tactic still worked
[17:31] <jdong> Amaranth: only if you can't inject authentication frames, do you need a bazillion packets
[17:31] <Seveas> there is no such thing as a 'modern web implementation'
[17:31] <Seveas> s/web/wep/
[17:32] <jdong> 25 seconds of which being copy-pasting the correct BSSID/SSID
[17:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: Something about less weak IVs
[17:32] <ompaul> Amaranth, have a look at the dd-wrt pages for a "takedown" on wep - they don't provide wep as that would imply it is secure which it is not :)
[17:32] <Seveas> ompaul, heh
[17:33] <Amaranth> Although I know that no matter what it's just a matter of time
[17:34] <Amaranth> Luckily you'd have to sit right next to my house and look suspicious to get good enough signal strength here :)
[17:34] <Amaranth> Well, not here, my uncle's in Sioux City
[17:34] <Amaranth> Here I use WPA
[17:35] <Amaranth> But the walls of his house are plaster with a wire mesh so the signal barely carries 10 ft outside the back door
[17:36] <jdong> Amaranth: you shouldn't base security off your perception of signal travel.... some of the directional antennas and signal boosters I've seen are astounding
[17:36] <Amaranth> jdong: They'd have to be 100ft away to have a chance of doing it without someone seeing them in about 10 minutes
[17:37] <jdong> Amaranth: the parked-next-to-the-house suspiciousness is a huge turnoff for wardrivers :)
[17:37] <ompaul> Amaranth, you assume technical clue on the part of the person who has a pringles can pointed at them
[17:44] <jdong> Amaranth: hmm if Linux on average is consuming 2W more power than OS X... what do you think might be the culprit?
[17:44] <ompaul> Amaranth, have alook of this: http://www.networkworld.com/research/2002/0909wepprimer.html  and a badly configured wep install will be seen for up to 400/500 feet
[17:45] <Amaranth> jdong: dunno
[17:45]  * ompaul gets off his one horse story and heads for the saloon
[17:50] <zylche> Which directories should I backup before I upgrade? :P
[17:50] <zylche> I have /home, what else?
[17:51] <zylche> whoops
[18:38] <PriceChild> no0tic, hey, how can I help?
[18:39] <no0tic> PriceChild, uhm.. nothing :) Can I lurk?
[18:40] <Seveas> no0tic, we'd prefer if you didn't
[18:40] <Seveas> see the /topic 
[18:40] <no0tic> also if I'm an #ubuntu-it op?
[18:41] <no0tic> well, if you prefer I'll leave anyway
[18:41] <Seveas> then it makes a bit more sense to be here
[18:42] <Seveas> I trust the -it guys enough, you probably won't be a troll :)
[18:42] <no0tic> you can chack via access list on the italian channel ;)
[18:42] <Seveas> I did :)
[18:42] <jdong> where'd I put my keys?
[18:42] <PriceChild> jdong, where you left them
[18:42] <Seveas> but not al locoteams are equally trusted
[18:43] <jdong> found them.
[18:43] <no0tic> Seveas, thanks for your trust :)
[18:45] <Tm_T> Seveas: referring to me?
[18:45] <Seveas> Tm_T, no
[18:46] <Tm_T> hmh
[18:46] <Seveas> Tm_T, I meant that I trust the .it team, but not any locoteam with no specific team in mind there
[18:46] <Tm_T> I see
[18:46] <Seveas> the .es team gets less trust for instance
[18:47] <Seveas> but .fr/.de/.uk are trusted
[18:47] <Seveas> etc...
[18:47] <Tm_T> dont trust -fi ever ;---P
[18:47] <Seveas> I don't
[18:47] <Seveas> they suck :p
[18:47] <Tm_T> we do
[18:47] <PriceChild> We trust -uk after they went and leaked the iso's before release? ;)
[18:47] <PriceChild> *ducks and runs8
[18:48] <Tm_T> haha
[18:48] <no0tic> what does "We" stand for?
[18:49] <PriceChild> no0tic, the Ubuntu-IRC Council, or the ubuntu-irc team in general
[18:49] <Tm_T> no0tic: ?
[18:49] <Tm_T> ah, yes
[18:49] <no0tic> PriceChild, I see
[18:50]  * Daviey slaps PriceChild 
[18:50] <Tm_T> oh, righty
[18:51] <Daviey> I think it was "Pricey" that "leaked".  BTW, how they heck can you 'leak' FOSS? :/
[18:51] <Daviey> I mean, it was "leaked" when the repo's first opened :S
[18:51] <Tm_T> :p
[18:51]  * Seveas leaks PriceChild 
[18:51]  * Tm_T leaks 'oil'
[18:55]  * Daviey leaks _on_ Seveas 
[18:55] <Seveas> /cs k Daviey /me leaks a Daviey 
[18:56] <Daviey> that leaked on my fire..
[18:56]  * Seveas takes a leak on Daviey's fire
[19:03] <ompaul> Daviey, they do not understand :)
[19:05] <Daviey> ompaul: \o/
[19:06] <ompaul> my poor lappy is not having a good day with gutsy
[19:06] <Seeker`> ompaul: whats wrong with it
[19:06] <ompaul> the lack of a successful install would seem to be the main issue, I'll sort that soon one way or another
[19:14] <ubotu> scguy318 called the ops in #ubuntu
[19:14] <LjL> done
[19:21] <ubotu> In ubotu, samson_ said: my butt is cool
[19:22] <jdong> no it isn't.
[19:22] <jdong> mine is.
[19:22] <PriceChild> jdong, are you the judge of that?
[19:22] <jdong> PriceChild: there might be others here more qualified to do so :)
[19:22]  * jdong strokes his moderator badge on ratemybutt.com
[19:22] <PriceChild> jdong, you mean there are admins of ratemybutt.com here?
[19:23] <jdong> PriceChild: I'm not sure. does ratemybutt even exist?
[19:23]  * jdong braces and alt-tabs to firefox
[19:23] <jdong> PriceChild: sorry, it's ratemy*arse*.co.uk
[19:23]  * jdong ducks
[19:23] <PriceChild> jdong, sadly it does.
[19:24] <Seveas> PriceChild, even ratemyarse.co.uk exists :)
[19:24] <jdong> lol
[19:24] <PriceChild> WAHEY!!!! :D
[19:24] <PriceChild> Seveas, I think that was a little too curious in finding that site.
[19:24] <PriceChild> You crossed the line.
[19:24]  * jdong wonders if PriceChild is gonna submit a picture :)
[19:24] <Seveas> :)
[19:24] <Seveas> it's just a domain parker 
[19:24] <PriceChild> hehe
[19:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, hyper_ch said: lnw is Linux is not Windows! Read here: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[19:34] <jdong> 14:33 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from valerie
[19:34] <jdong> 14:33 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from danya
[19:34] <jdong> what are these?
[19:34] <jdong> I just got like 50 of them
[19:34] <PriceChild> crap
[19:34] <PriceChild> attack in #ubuntu
[19:34] <PriceChild> staff have got it jdong
[19:34] <jdong> is that a DCC SEND exploit?
[19:35] <PriceChild> jdong, partly
[19:35] <nalioth> jdong: good grief.
[19:35] <PriceChild> jdong, there was also a ctcp flood as well
[19:35] <jdong> wow
[19:35] <jdong> you guys have all the fun ;-)
[19:36] <ubotu> gaurish called the ops in #ubuntu
[19:36] <Seveas> dammit
[19:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: Help me out, I need to think of a way to kill someone without getting caught :)
[19:37] <nalioth> it really irritates me to see clueless channel ops
[19:37] <PriceChild> I'll make a list of the people with 104 errors which we need to do sort out -read-topic bans on
[19:37] <Amaranth> My roommate at UDS is an automatix guy
[19:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[19:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: He is in the same city as me too
[19:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[19:37] <Amaranth> Seveas: So probably on the same flight there and everything
[19:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
[19:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, Osama has some tips for you then
[19:39] <PriceChild> Ok I have 21 nicks needing banforwards.
[19:39] <Amaranth> For a CTCP flood?
[19:39] <Amaranth> That's a crappy client, not a router problem
[19:39] <jdong> Amaranth: antifreeze.... we call it "blue-green gatorade"
[19:40] <PriceChild> Amaranth, nope... there were both floods and exploits
[19:40] <Amaranth> Actually it's just a bandwidth problem
[19:40] <Amaranth> I got seriously lagged
[19:40] <Amaranth> oh i'm setting +E instead of +C
[19:41] <Amaranth> That solves that
[19:42] <nalioth> jdong: you mean to tell me you've _never_ received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from [anyone] ?
[19:42] <jdong> nalioth: this would be my first time
[19:43] <PriceChild> Somone doesn't idle in #ubuntu regularly :)
[19:43] <jdong> PriceChild: guilty as charged :)
[19:45] <jrib> PriceChild: +bbbb ban1 ban2 ban3 ban4    might be better no?
[19:45] <PriceChild> does that work with forwards?
[19:45] <PriceChild> I'll just finish these now then investigate.
[19:46] <PriceChild> Last set.
[19:52] <Pacane> Hi, the topic of #Ubuntu told me to come here and ask to be tested, I'm ready :)
[19:52] <jrib> right
[19:53] <Colro> wth
[19:53] <PriceChild> silly pacane
[19:54] <jrib> Colro: hi, do you need help with something?
[19:54] <bo2> errm
[19:54] <jdong> did he do anything before asking to be tested?
[19:54] <PriceChild> jdong, nope ;)
[19:54] <Seveas> Colro, bo2: how may we help?
[19:54] <Colro> I just got banned from #ubuntu apparently, not sure why, I've had xchat minimized for 20 minutes
[19:54] <bo2> i need to be tested
[19:54] <jrib> well he read the topic
[19:54] <PriceChild> Colro, and bo2 are both frmo -read-topic
[19:54] <Colro> --- PriceChild sets ban on *!*@72.252.214.43!#ubuntu-read-topic
[19:54] <ompaul> Colro, and the name of the channel is]
[19:54] <PriceChild> bo2, did you fix what was "?broken"
[19:54] <jdong> jrib: :) that's a start
[19:54] <ompaul> ?
[19:54] <bo2> yes
[19:55] <PriceChild> No you didn't.
[19:55] <ompaul> no you did not
[19:55] <Colro> #ubuntu or #ubuntu-read-topic ? 
[19:55] <jdong> heh
[19:55] <jrib> Colro: have you read the wiki page with instructions to fix the bug in your router?
[19:55] <ompaul> Colro, #ubuntu-read-topic
[19:56] <ompaul> Colro, breaking it out a little in read topic << you need to do what the topic in there says
[19:56] <Pacane> Did I pass the test?
[19:56] <ompaul> Pacane, NO
[19:56] <Pacane> I got disconnected :/
[19:57] <PriceChild> exactly
[19:57] <ompaul> Pacane, read the topic in that channel
[19:57] <Pacane> in #Ubuntu ?
[19:57] <ompaul>  #ubuntu-read-topic
[19:57] <Pacane> Well, If im using Pidgin, am I following instructions of Gaim? Since I don't see "Pidgin"
[19:58] <ompaul> it is called that for a reason
[19:58]  * ompaul head desks
[19:58] <Colro> k, fixed
[19:58] <ompaul> Pacane, that is the general idea you change the way the client works with irc to progress
[19:59] <ompaul> Colro no it ain't ... 
[19:59] <Pacane> Well I did change the port
[19:59] <Pacane> and It didn't work.
[19:59] <jrib> Colro: did you connect to port 8001?
[19:59] <Colro> bleh, 1 minute
[19:59] <Colro> it's not liking the port
[19:59] <ompaul> and sing off
[19:59] <ompaul> sign off and back
[19:59] <Pacane> I did,
[19:59] <ompaul> it has to be 8001
[19:59] <ompaul> hmm
[19:59] <Pacane> It is.
[19:59] <ompaul> change port leave come back and now test
[19:59] <Colro> k, try now
[20:00] <Pacane> Ok..
[20:00] <jrib> Colro: great, one sec while I remove the ban
[20:00] <ompaul> can one of the ops you check instructions I am doing an install and it is going slowly then I am going to watch rugby
[20:00] <Pacane> Done.
[20:01] <jrib> Colro: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thank you for your patience
[20:02] <Pacane> What about me?
[20:03] <jrib> ready for a test Pacane ?
[20:03] <Pacane> Yes.
[20:05] <Pacane> So..?
[20:05] <jrib> Pacane: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thank you for your patience
[20:05] <Pacane> Thank you too.
[20:10] <Powerking89670> I had to fix this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit how do I get back into the #ubuntu room?
[20:11] <jrib> Powerking89670: ready for a test?
[20:11] <Powerking89670> yupp
[20:11] <Powerking89670> and what do you want me to do, deny it?
[20:11] <J-_> When is the next community council meeting(25th?), and what channel?
[20:12] <nalioth> J-_: all Ubuntu CC meetings are in #ubuntu-meeting (where they'va always been)
[20:12] <J-_> nalioth: Cool, thanks.
[20:12] <jrib> Powerking89670: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thank you for your patience.  You can just deny and close the window with the stuff I sent
[20:13] <Powerking89670> jrib: thanks, lets hope the script kiddies stop eh?
[20:13] <MenZa> nalioth: And... do you know what time?
[20:14] <nalioth> MenZa: isn't it on the CC meeting wiki page?
[20:15] <MenZa> It doesn't look like it
[20:15] <nalioth> then how would i know?  :)
[20:15]  * MenZa shrugs. :)
[20:15] <MenZa> Ah
[20:15] <MenZa> "The next meeting will be announced shortly."
[20:15]  * MenZa bookmarks.
[20:33]  * gaurish is away: I am Busy
[20:35] <stdin> using away messages, in -ops :0
[20:35] <Amaranth> Did he get banned from #ubuntu recently?
[20:36] <Seeker`> i think he got banned from here
[20:36] <LjL> Amaranth: yes i banned him
[20:36] <stdin> yep, for using ! ops, and I think -offtopic a while ago
[20:36] <LjL> he called "!op" earlier
[20:36] <LjL> sure, there had been an attack
[20:36] <LjL> but he did it ages after the attack
[20:36] <LjL> and he had just been a complete arse on -offtopic
[20:36] <LjL> so, bye
[20:36] <Amaranth> After the attack was over even
[20:36] <Amaranth> Although he could have been lagged
[20:36] <Amaranth> I know I was
[20:36] <LjL> Amaranth: well, it could well be that he got lagged
[20:36] <LjL> yes
[20:37] <Amaranth> no more, fixed my stuff
[20:37] <LjL> anyway look at the way he behaved in -offtopic... he's malicious period
[20:37] <Amaranth> was doing +E instead of +C, i always mix those up
[20:37] <LjL> gaurish: anything we can do to you?
[20:41] <spore> I had the DCC Exploit thing, connecting on 8001 now, will patch router later.. can i get back in?
[20:42] <LjL> spore: you don't mind if i test you first?
[20:42] <spore> no prob
[20:42] <spore> i'd like to be sure myself
[20:43] <Jacob> whenever available, can someone give me a DCC test?
[20:43] <spore> thanks!
[20:43] <LjL> spore: seems fine
[20:43] <LjL> Jacob: sure
[20:43] <LjL> jacob: failed
[20:44] <Jacob> mmkay... yeah.
[20:44] <Jacob> 8001 didn't seem to fix that, I'm just going to switch to standard xchat.
[20:44] <LjL> Jacob, 8001 should definitely work.
[20:44] <LjL> are you sure you have disconnected and then reconnected?
[20:44] <PriceChild> Jacob, did you restart xchat after changing to 8001?
[20:44] <Jacob> did a server reconnect, though I'll try leaving the client
[20:45] <Jacob> xchat-gnome might be a part of that though :-x
[20:45] <nalioth> the whole client must be resterted, Jacob 
[20:45] <nalioth> and xchat-gnome sucks.
[20:45] <ompaul> xchat2 is your only xchat:)
[20:45] <PriceChild> it was most probably reconnecting the old connection, instead of checking for new settings
[20:45] <Jacob> okay, try now
[20:45]  * ompaul now declares gutsy installed on lappy
[20:45] <Jacob> ompaul: not the -gnome variant
[20:46] <ompaul> Jacob, yeap
[20:46] <LjL> Jacob: seems ok now
[20:46] <Jacob> cool, thanks :)
[20:46] <ompaul> Jacob, the gnome variant is, to put it nicely, not in the same league, not even in the same sport
[20:46] <Jacob> ompaul: i know, honestly, i have no clue why I use it
[20:47] <Jacob> I'm just too lazy to switch! :P
[20:47] <Jacob> anywho, thanks for the check
[20:47] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install xchat2
[20:47] <ompaul> gqaaa
[20:47] <ompaul> arrrrr 
[20:47] <ompaul> f2 should work when I think about it
[20:50] <LjL> ompaul: yesterday i was *almost* doing
[20:50] <LjL> ljl
[20:50] <LjL> *****
[20:50] <LjL> sudo halt
[20:50] <LjL> *****
[20:51] <LjL> on irc :)
[20:51] <LjL> (screen off ;)
[20:51] <ompaul> woops
[20:51] <no0tic> ompaul, lol :)
[20:52] <ompaul> LjL, do this - sudo apt-get install axe and pass it to me I want to beat this box up it does not want gutsy
[20:52] <ompaul> jhmm
[20:56] <LjL> ompaul: i think you should probably try to solve your issues with a *console* text editor rather than an X one, if the problems are so severe
[20:56] <LjL> besides, i'm not impressed at something being a significant improvement over xedit
[20:57]  * Amaranth hugs his nick completion
[20:57] <jussi01> evening all
[20:59] <jdong> !dvd
[20:59] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[20:59] <jdong> ^^ any reason we don't poitn to Medibuntu for that?
[20:59] <jdong> it's a more comprehensive repo in terms of restricted media stuff
[20:59] <jdong> unlocked ffmpeg, k3b, w32codecs and so on
[21:00] <LjL> jdong: not sure. besides, some of seveas' mirrors don't actually have libdvdcss. seveas?
[21:00] <PriceChild> Bastards that was a try!
[21:00] <LjL> ... sorry?
[21:00] <nalioth> jdong: we trust seveas more than we trust medibuntu?   3d party repos have been known to totally screwZ0r Ubuntu 
[21:01] <PriceChild> Gah wrong channel sorry but it was a try :/
[21:01] <LjL> nalioth: medibuntu shouldn't be that bad, though
[21:01] <jdong> nalioth: medibuntu is maintained by MOTU's.... and the packaging is directly derived from Ubuntu packages withi minimal changes and sane versioning
[21:01] <Seeker`> PriceChild: score?
[21:01] <Seveas> medibuntu is ok
[21:01] <Seveas> and I don't even have gutsy yet :)
[21:01] <nalioth> jdong: do the users get the end result using seveas' repos?
[21:02] <LjL> Seveas: yeah indeed
[21:02] <Seveas> nalioth, not if users use gutsy
[21:02] <jdong> nalioth: the packages they need for restricted media without upgrade breakages? I'd say so
[21:02] <nalioth> jdong: or "why not have them google libdvdcss2, and install it with gdebi" ?  libdvdcss2 has not changed in the years since it was packaged
[21:02] <LjL> !no dvd is <reply> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[21:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:02] <jdong> nalioth: because he who installs libdvdcss will probably be looking for w32codecs in 10 minutes :)
[21:03] <Seveas> jdong, :)
[21:03] <jdong> and some stuff like unlocked k3b and ffmpeg is difficult to find "out there" :)
[21:03] <Seveas> oh no
[21:03] <nalioth> jdong: and you can google w32codecs and do the same thing with gdebi
[21:03] <Seveas> MenZa is going for ubuntu membership!
[21:03] <jdong> nalioth: perhaps you love the google-and-click technique better than me :D
[21:04] <nalioth> jdong: no, i'm just questioning 'why mess with a factoid if it works?'
[21:04] <LjL> nalioth: because it doesn't
[21:04] <Seeker`> who is MenZa?
[21:05] <jdong> nalioth: because IMO there's a clear advantage to using Medibuntu vs going out and randomly googling for debs, or using a repository that's not really maintained for Gutsy or designed for multimedia purposes
[21:05] <LjL> anyway - medibuntu is trusted by us, as much as a third-party repository can be trusted. people can get the GPG key for it. it's *much* better than googling random packages
[21:05] <LjL> (and ending up installing Debian ones, for instance)
[21:06] <jdong> LjL: I'm not as worried about that as I am them googling and finding horribly wrong instructions :)
[21:06] <nalioth> jdong: for libdvdcss2 and w32codecs, those packages have not changed _ever_ as far as their content
[21:06] <jdong> LjL: I've seen at least once in #ubuntu someone recommend aliening a Mandrive 2007 PLF RPM
[21:06] <LjL> ...
[21:06] <nalioth> jdong: a debian w32codecs deb will work the same for Ubuntu as a specifically packaged Ubuntu one
[21:07] <nalioth> same with libdvdcss2
[21:07] <jdong> nalioth: the same cannot be said when users want other multimedia packages, and if they enable medibuntu now they will not run into this problem in the future
[21:07] <LjL> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1)
[21:07] <nalioth> jdong: you initially said "libdvdcss2" and that is what i'm discussing (along with w32codecs).  if you wish to carry on iwth 'but what about this', i'll be quiet
[21:07] <jdong> I don't see the hurt in recommending Medibuntu -- I acknowledge there's other ways of doing it that !worksforme
[21:08] <jdong> nalioth: I said libdvdcss2 because that's what the factoid says specifically.... sorry for the misunderstanding
[21:08] <MenZa> Seveas: Yes, yes I am.
[21:08] <MenZa> :=
[21:08] <Seveas> scary
[21:08] <MenZa> :)*
[21:08] <MenZa> Yes, I thought you'd say so, ;D
[21:09] <MenZa> I have a few references lined up, so let's see how it goes.
[21:12] <nalioth> jdong: my point is: libdvdcss2 and w32codecs are the same for all debian based OS'.  it aint gonna hurt a user to find it wherever.  nothing depends on them, nothing is gonna break from using them (from a non-ubuntu source)
[21:12] <jdong> nalioth: you are 100% correct on that, and I don't disagree with you there...
[21:13] <jdong> I'm just a big fan of killing lots of birds with one apt entry :)
[21:13] <nalioth> but libdvdcss2 != multimedia 
[21:14] <gaurish> hi ops, you angry with me?
[21:14] <LjL> gaurish: yup
[21:14] <jdong> gaurish: you didn't send me $500 via paypal today.
[21:15]  * gaurish send 5k$ to jdong 
[21:15] <gaurish> its ok now jdong 
[21:15] <gaurish> LjL, on serious note what i did?
[21:15] <LjL> gaurish: flooded and then repeatedly evaded bans in -offtopic?
[21:17] <gaurish> LjL, i did type some "happy birthday ubuntu" couple of times but does it qualify as a flood?
[21:17] <gaurish> i am celebrating for ubuntu's 3rd birthday :)
[21:18] <LjL> gaurish: look i'm not in the mood
[21:18] <gaurish> celebrations needed some relaxing the rules, however i didn't post more than 3 linux in one as per rule
[21:18] <LjL> you knew what you were doing, you knew you'd be banned
[21:18] <LjL> end of story, bye
[21:18] <gaurish> :(
[21:18] <LjL> 3 linux in one?
[21:19] <gaurish> LjL, no point of argue with you
[21:19] <LjL> indeed
[21:19] <LjL> come back in a month or so
[21:19] <gaurish> LjL, can i come back with a other nick?
[21:19] <LjL> gaurish: no
[21:20] <gaurish> LjL, how would you know its me?
[21:20] <gaurish> my ip is dynamic?
[21:20] <LjL> gaurish: we have our tricks.
[21:20] <jdong> gaurish: most people who come back under a different nick say "oh look I evaded your ban, ha you ops are morons"
[21:21] <gaurish> LjL, like *!*@hostname??
[21:21] <LjL> which is about what he did, incidentally
[21:21] <LjL> thrice
[21:21] <gaurish> lol
[21:21] <LjL> gaurish, come on.
[21:21] <jdong> gaurish: if you do a good job of being a good little boy under a different nick, I don't think any of us would care to hunt you down by DNA :)
[21:21] <LjL> jdong: i beg to differ
[21:22] <jdong> gaurish: ok, so maybe you managed to tick off everyone more than I realize :)
[21:22] <gaurish> hmmm....
[21:23] <gaurish> now i belong to problematic users list :-(
[21:23] <LjL> jdong: 1) noted that no ops were around 2) proposed to flood the channel to wake them up 3) did so (with the help of another) 4) was banned 5) rejoined without his cloak 6) was banned 7) rejoined with another ip 8) was banned 9) rejoined with another nickname
[21:23] <gaurish> LjL, you got a nice memory :P
[21:23] <LjL> gaurish: thank you
[21:23] <LjL> now, anything else we can do to you?
[21:24] <gaurish> so now kick me
[21:24] <gaurish> lol
[21:24] <LjL> sure
[21:24] <jussi01> sigh... really, some people.
[21:25] <jdong> LjL: wow.... just... wow. Didn't realize he did all of that.
[21:27] <jussi01> Hmmm, nw I have a question. Im using konversation. Im trying to set up a command alias that makes me op in the channel Im in. anyone know how to do this? 
[21:28] <jdong> jussi01: can't you alias someting to /msg chanserv op #channel?
[21:28] <jussi01> jdong: yeah, i can. but i want it just to op me where ever I am - without specifying the channel.
[21:29] <jussi01> so the channel im focused on i get op in when i give the command
[21:29] <LjL> jussi01: /MSG ChanServ OP %c
[21:29] <jussi01> LjL: thanks :)
[21:30] <jdong> I'm thinking about spending an hour tonight cloning chanserv.py in irssi
[21:30] <jdong> identical behavior and UI
[21:30] <jdong> am I being crazy?
[21:30] <LjL> yes
[21:30] <jussi01> jdong: you are crazy. even before you said that :P
[21:31] <nalioth> jussi01: you'd need to find the help page for konversation (and how it sees things)
[21:32] <LjL> nalioth: it doesn't say anything, you need to find the variable names out by trial and error...
[21:32] <jussi01> nalioth: thanks. LjL's selection worked :)
[21:33] <nalioth> LjL: one reason i like my irssi  :)
[21:34] <LjL> nalioth: but undocumented is fun
[21:35] <nalioth> no, fun is making humongous /aliases that reference other humongous aliases that are full of $S and +C and %E and stuff like that
[21:36] <Seveas> nalioth, mIRC!
[21:36] <LjL> ok, that sounds also fun
[21:37] <Pici> jdong: I'd use it
[21:37] <jdong> f is for friends who do stuff together, u is for you and me.....
[21:37] <jdong> if anyone catches that reference, please DIAF.
[21:37] <jussi01> !u | jdong
[21:37] <ubotu> jdong: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[21:37] <Seveas> c is for christ, who wakes over you, k is for kde which we should set on fire
[21:37] <Seveas> and now I'm outtahere :)
[21:37] <jdong> Seveas: ROFL
[21:38] <jussi01> LMAO
[21:38] <jdong> Not exactly where I was going, but even better :)
[21:38]  * Seveas glues jussi01's ass back to his body
[21:39]  * jussi01 hugs Seveas. thanks. :P
[21:39] <jdong> with his special glue....
[21:39] <LjL> oookay
[21:39] <jussi01> and also Seveas: Blasphemy!!!!
[21:39] <jussi01> :P
[21:39] <Seveas> jdong, that's a little too suggestive :p
[21:39] <jdong> Seveas: pfft only if you take it in such a manner ;-)
[21:40] <Seveas> that is again suggestive, or my mind is too warped
[21:40] <jdong> O_O
[21:40]  * jussi01 goes to spend time with his ball and chain (wife)
[21:40] <jdong> Seveas: take a breather
[21:41] <LjL> ok stop being !o4o and tell me how the heck "hd" formats work
[21:41] <jdong> LjL: what do you mean, "hd" formats?
[21:41] <LjL> hexdump
[21:41] <Seveas> LjL, mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/hda
[21:41] <LjL> no, not that
[21:41] <Pici> hidef or harddrives?
[21:42] <LjL> EXAMPLES    Display the input in perusal format: "%06.6_ao "  12/1 "%3_u "  "\t\t" "%_p "  "\n"
[21:42] <LjL> as much as that might sound useful and easily understandable - it's not
[21:42] <LjL> and it's perusing my patience
[21:42] <jdong> LjL: what do you need hexdump to show?
[21:42] <Pici> oh.. hexdump
[21:43] <LjL> jdong: 4 32-bit integers in decimal
[21:43] <LjL> 5, actually
[21:44] <jdong> LjL: is that hd -d, or wrong size?
[21:44] <jdong> pfft 2*8 isn't 32...
[21:44] <jdong> never mind
[21:44] <LjL> jdong: hd -d spits out something that i don't completely understand
[21:44] <LjL> i'd just like 5 tidy numbers to be spat out
[21:44] <Seveas> LjL, you spit out lots of things I don't understand ')
[21:44]  * LjL kills Mez
[21:44] <jdong> rofl
[21:45]  * Seveas burns Mez|Away' dead body
[21:45] <PriceChild> Gah :'(
[21:45] <LjL> Seveas: i suspect that's a common motif with us folks.
[21:45] <jdong> LjL: how's od -t u2
[21:46] <LjL> i mean spitting out things we don't understand to each other
[21:46] <LjL> but also burning dead bodies, though i didn't originally mean that
[21:46] <Daviey> Guys... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1109/
[21:46] <Daviey> ^ arre you aware?
[21:46] <PriceChild> Daviey, hey there....
[21:46] <Pici> I assumed so.
[21:46] <Daviey> PriceChild: o/
[21:46] <PriceChild> Daviey, We dealt with it some time ago ;)
[21:46] <LjL> jdong: uh, od? i'll look. i've been so foolish to believe there was only one tool for the job.
[21:47] <PriceChild> About when you got them.
[21:47] <jdong> LjL: od's parameters are so much easier than hd
[21:47] <Daviey> PriceChild: /me is slow at the back
[21:47] <PriceChild> !away | MenZa 
[21:47] <ubotu> MenZa: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[21:47] <PriceChild> gah
[21:47] <Pici> Thats not menza
[21:47] <LjL> !tab | PriceChild
[21:47] <ubotu> PriceChild: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[21:47] <MenZa> PriceChild: Ow :p
[21:47] <MenZa> PriceChild: I use my /away :)
[21:48]  * MenZa is a good boy.
[21:48] <PriceChild> LjL, I think we need a new factoid... !tab-PriceChild is Check your tab before pressing enter you crazy fool!
[21:48] <Daviey> PriceChild: He gets moaned at on two IRC networks that i know of
[21:48] <MenZa> lmao
[21:48] <Seveaz> KILL
[21:49]  * LjL steps back
[21:49] <Seveaz> remind me, how do I change colorscheme in irssi?
[21:49] <jdong> vi the themes file?
[21:49] <LjL> Seveaz: cat /dev/urandom >/dev/tty1 for the "rainbow" scheme
[21:49] <Seveaz> :p
[21:50] <jdong> LjL: isn't that the #ubuntu scheme?
[21:50]  * jdong ducks
[21:50] <LjL> jdong: no, that's /dev/brown
[21:50] <Pici>  /set theme 
[21:50] <Seveaz> hah, colorless is better than white-on-white :)
[21:51] <Seveaz> anyway
[21:51] <PriceChild> Was that just a ridiculously tiny netsplit?
[21:51] <Pici> I didnt see one
[21:51] <jdong> Seveaz: that was quite suggestive :)
[21:51] <jdong> PriceChild: as was that
[21:51] <PriceChild> Nah I saw 3 guys split in #ubuntu
[21:52] <jdong> PriceChild: down boy....
[21:52] <Pici> Actually, I lied. 
[21:52] <LjL> PriceChild: oh yes, calvino left
[21:52] <LjL> poor calvino
[21:52] <LjL> although... wasn't i connected to it?
[21:52] <LjL> uhm yes i am
[21:52] <PriceChild> LjL, in the quit message, it says the server you are on yourself.
[21:52] <Pici> Mine says it was anthony
[21:52] <PriceChild> Pici, ^
[21:53] <LjL> PriceChild: ah.
[21:53] <jdong> 16:50 -!- Netsplit clarke.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Ralfm, [GuS], elements
[21:53] <jdong> that one?
[21:53] <PriceChild> jdong, yup
[21:53] <Pici> Netsplit anthony.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: azeem, Spads, Trewas
[21:53] <LjL>  /links
[21:53] <LjL> so we can't really know which server left unless we knew which servers there were?
[21:53] <jdong> aww the /netsplit command doesn't make netsplits? :(
[21:54] <jdong> LjL: if we have one person on each server report their quit messages, we can do a netsplit-DB :D
[21:54] <jdong> LjL: it could be the useless AJAX app of the month!
[21:54] <LjL> jdong: if the stupid ircd just posted the actual server name, we wouldn't need that :P
[21:55] <jdong> LjL: but but... then we woudlnt' get to use AJAX....
[21:55] <jdong> and better if we connect it to Google Maps and plot out the netsplit :D\
[21:55] <LjL> jdong: you could always use ajax to implement chanserv.py
[21:55] <LjL> i mean, somehow.
[21:55] <jdong> LjL: system("xchat < /cs $*")? :D
[21:56] <LjL>  /kick jdong www.openstreetmap.org, you blasphemer
[21:57] <jdong> LjL: but Google API Key restrictions add value for customers!
[21:57] <jdong> rofl
[21:58] <jdong> lol
[22:03] <ompaul> right - gutsy won't install on this lappy I think it is time for some hardware fun :)
[22:03] <mc44> ompaul broke gutsy :(
[22:04] <ompaul> ruff
[22:35] <ompaul> 7.04 xubuntu installing nicely I hope
[22:42] <Seveas> port of chanserv.py to chanserv.pl for irssi has started :)
[22:42] <nalioth> Seveas: oh? 
[22:42] <Seveas> it can do /cs op and /cs deop :)
[22:43] <Seveas> I still hate perl though, so the rest has to wait a bit
[22:44] <jrib> irssi-python
[22:45] <TheSheep> emacs-irssi ;)
[22:45] <jrib> i've only found one bug in it
[22:46] <Seveas> is irssi-python a reality already?
[22:47] <jrib> Seveas: it is from last year's soc.  There doesn't seem to be any recent activity but I've been using it for about a year now
[22:50] <Seeker`> Seveas: can I see what you have done so far?
[22:50] <Seveas> packaged?
[22:50] <Seveas> Seeker`, no
[22:51] <nalioth> Seveas: packaged? perl script?
[22:51] <nalioth> wha?
[22:51] <Seeker`> :(
[22:52] <Seveas> nalioth, no packaged irssi-python :)
[22:55] <nalioth> Seveas: oh, that.
[22:57] <jrib> Seveas: no package...  build system is actually a bit broken.  I think I still have the autogen.sh I wrote for it somewhere if you want it
[22:57] <Seveas> neh, I'll do the perl thing
[23:00] <jrib> brave man
[23:15] <jrib> !test
[23:15] <ubotu> Failed.
[23:16] <Seeker`> what is !test meant to do?
[23:16] <jrib> tests the bot
[23:16] <Pici> Seeker`: its just like !ping
[23:17] <nalioth> Seeker`: it tests the bots presence
[23:17] <Seeker`> k
[23:26] <jrib> so... what to make of this pastebin... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41438/
[23:26] <jrib> notice "oslo" becomes "oala"
[23:29] <Pici> Unless they're typing it in manually, I'd say its a versy suspicious
[23:30] <nalioth> jrib: the pastebin you posted has one line in it
[23:31] <Pici> No... theres two
[23:31] <nalioth> technicalities
[23:31] <nalioth> sorry, jrib but i can't make "oslo" out of "firefox"
[23:31] <nalioth> and am totally lost
[23:31] <jrib> says he is on another computer.  I guess it is ok, but weird that firefox closes with no output
[23:31] <jrib> nalioth: the hostname 
[23:34] <wii> when can i pass the test to reinter kubuntu?i need to find a way for my pc to spot giving me the error 21 grub
[23:34] <wii> it's anoying
[23:40] <Pici> I believe that the ban is indefinite at this time.
[23:41] <jdong> wii: do you not understand the terms of your ban?
[23:41] <wii> jdong: my term for the ban it's up yet?
[23:42] <stdin> no, it's not
[23:42] <jdong> wii: your ban, the way it stands now, is forever. You have repeatedly acted in a way in violation with Ubuntu IRC guidelines. Please go somewhere else for support.
[23:42] <jdong> wii: coming in here twice every week to beg will not help your case
[23:43] <wii> i'm not begins was just asking
[23:44] <jdong> I place $10 that he will be back by the end of the week
[23:44] <Pici> What does "i'm not begins was just asking" mean?
[23:44] <jdong> Pici: meant "begging"
[23:45] <jdong> I honestly don't see the difference ;-)
[23:45] <Pici> jdong: oooh... then it makes some sense.
[23:45] <jdong> isn't he still "technically" klined?
[23:47] <Tm_T> wii <3
[23:47] <Tm_T> jdong: yes, very
[23:47] <jdong> wii: no.
[23:48] <Tm_T> rob is free to redo it I believe
[23:48] <Tm_T> 0147 <+Tm_T> wii <3
[23:48] <wii> jdong: lol.what about compiz?
[23:48] <wii> that was another story apart from the ubuntus family
[23:49] <stdin> then go join the compiz channel
[23:49] <jdong> wii: if it's not a ubuntu channel we have no business to manage you
[23:49] <nalioth> wii: this is not a support channel
[23:49] <wii> #compiz-fusion  i'm ban
[23:49] <stdin> shame for you
[23:49] <jdong> wii: that's not our problem.
[23:50] <wii> it's been a week now
[23:50] <jdong> not hard to believe though
[23:50] <wii> it's the op for compiz does be here?
[23:50] <wii> isnt*
[23:51] <stdin> no, this is ubuntu-ops, not compiz-ops
[23:51] <wii> :/
[23:51] <jdong> wii: whether or not he is in here, this is not the place to discuss it. it's not related to a ubuntu channel.
[23:51] <wii> so how do i get unban?
[23:51] <jdong> wii: we don't know. go work it out with the compiz staff
[23:51] <wii> where do i go?
[23:52] <stdin> you have to work that out by yourself
[23:52] <Tm_T> i have better idea
[23:52] <jdong> wii: by the way, you are still supposed to be banned from the freenode network. There's several freenode staff in here. do the math.
[23:52] <Tm_T> wii: stay away fom irc until you learn to behave, best idea ever
[23:53] <wii> what a freenode network?and do what math?
[23:53] <wii> Tm_T: i lurn to behave already
[23:53] <stdin> freenode is the network you're on, "do the math" is "work it out"
[23:53] <jdong> wii: you are banned from this entire IRC network. There are several people in this channel who have the capability to disconnect and reban you from the entire network. Give me one reason why you should not be in this channel right now.
[23:53] <ubotu> Ashfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu
[23:54] <Tm_T> wii: no you havent
[23:54] <jdong> wii: you were banned from here 2-4 weeks ago, and you got banned in compiz a week ago.... that's not terribly convincing.
[23:55] <wii> Tm_T: oh from the time i was ban if u look at the history u can see i wasnt caussing any trouble,nore in kubuntu-fr,kde,winehq,debian,windows,...
[23:56] <Tm_T> ...
[23:56] <ubotu> cdm10 called the ops in #ubuntu
[23:58] <wii> if i'm ban from to ubuntu's forever i wont die but at least let me reinter compiz who ever is in charge there
[23:59] <jdong> wii: I don't know how to phrase this any clearer. We do not manage the compiz channel. We cannot help you.
[23:59] <stdin> wii, go ask them somewhere else, this is not the place