[00:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> unsupprisingly 'new hardware' and 'new software' work well together
[00:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastercane, theres what LSB is for
[00:02] <Yahooadam> meh
[00:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> the next LTS will have driver cd update support built in, 6.06 doesnt
[00:02] <mastercane> Kamping_Kaiser: so your opinion is that ubuntu LTS is not made for ISVs who select it as base for their software?
[00:02] <Yahooadam> i thought the ubuntu repository machines compiled for you and stuff ... ?
[00:02] <mastercane> oh, driver cd support would be nice...
[00:03] <Yahooadam> oh well, i dont really understand all this stuff yet ;)
[00:03] <Yahooadam> packages and stuff confuse me :p
[00:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yahooadam, they dont cmopile "for you" per se
[00:03] <Q_Continuum> I just want to make myself a mirror :(
[00:03] <Yahooadam> i thought i saw somone say somthing in a forum thing for ubutnu, and it tried to compile
[00:03] <mastercane> Yahooadam: we sell groupware based on java, so our admin backend has to be deeply integrated with postfix, amavis, clamav, sieve, cyrus, ...
[00:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yahooadam, any ISV who wriets LSB 2.something complient apps will have them work on dapper
[00:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, pastebin your update script, and your error message
[00:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yahooadam, you can build your own if you want
[00:05] <Yahooadam> fair enough ... :)
[00:06] <mastercane> Kamping_Kaiser: if the ISv's customers use outdated hardware that is right, on 90 % of the actual server hardware Ubuntu 6.06 can't be installed / can only be installed with much manual work
[00:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastercane, point is if its LSB [2,3] complient, it will work on later versions too. as for dappers hardware support - such is life
[00:07] <Yahooadam> you know what i wish, that my server would last for more then 1 week without some kind of hardware or software failure >_<
[00:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yahooadam, :| thats not good
[00:08] <mastercane> "such is life" is not okay if you need a supported plattform for your product...
[00:08] <Yahooadam> mmm, oh and i nuked my HDD and then found out that my ram was bad :'(
[00:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Yahooadam, :S
[00:08] <Yahooadam> despite what memtest might tell me
[00:08] <mastercane> only wanted to here opinions here - hope that there will be enough political power behind my requests so the kernel gets updated --> ubuntu LTS runs on actual hardware
[00:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastercane, yeah, i understand. Debian etch is out, or 6 months then theres another LTS (with driver cd support and crap)
[00:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> kernel will probably not get updated, its likely drivers will get backported to that kernel though
[00:10] <mastercane> that would be okay, too
[00:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'll need to ping someone like soren (iirc) to ask whats going on there
[00:15] <mastercane> Kamping_Kaiser sorry for the quit - upgrade of ,my workstation to gutsy killes the irc client
[00:15] <Yahooadam> lol
[00:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[00:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries
[00:16] <mastercane> real men stay gentlemen even in irc ;)
[00:19] <Q_Continuum> whaaa?
[00:19] <Q_Continuum> Lies.
[00:20] <mastercane> for what do you guys use your ubuntu-server? any other people around using it as spam filtering MTA ?
[00:20] <Yahooadam> TV, File and print server
[00:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> my ubuntu server is an LTSP and a gateway (filtering caching proxy) in a community centre, i dont run ubuntu at home
[00:21] <mastercane> LTSP5 ?
[00:22] <mastercane> what is a "community centre"?
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, ltsp4
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thehut.org.au
[00:23] <mastercane> ah, okay
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, 4 i think. running dapper
[00:23] <mastercane> what do you use as filter software?
[00:24] <mastercane> squid + privoxy or stuff like dansguardian?
[00:24]  * Yahooadam like IPCop
[00:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i've got squid+dansguardian
[00:24] <Yahooadam> likes #
[00:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> at home i tried to get http-replicator+dansguardian going, but didnt seem to work
[00:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might try again later
[00:25] <Q_Continuum> Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.com/d471406a0 - its an updated version from the one found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror (only changes are changing dapper to gutsy, and the removal of a potentially pesky apostrophe, as the original pastebin post shows)
[00:26] <Q_Continuum> Running it again without the apostrophe, seeing if it fails again.
[00:26] <mastercane> is there a way to log the traffic user based in this enviroment?
[00:27] <mastercane> had the problem some months ago: a company with MX terminalservers + citrix wanted to log all traffic userbased
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastercane, iptables can monitor per user, not tried it myself
[00:27] <mastercane> but all browser sessions for example come from the terminalserver - right?
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, wheres tthe apostrophy you removed?
[00:27] <mastercane> so iptables is no proper way
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastercane, i dont know how citrix works very much
[00:28] <Q_Continuum> just above where debmirror is called, near the bottom.  first line in that last paragraph before debmirror - 'and not deb-src's'
[00:28] <stiv2k> what do i have to do to upgrade my server from feisty -> gutsy?
[00:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> no you dont /have/ to
[00:30] <Q_Continuum> Kamping_Kaiser, the other issue I run into about 80% of the time is that it times out grabbing the package lists or the .gpg files of the package lists, I haven't found a server I can reliably pull from yet :-/
[00:30] <stiv2k> huh?
[00:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, dont see the apostrophy :|
[00:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, you wont for a day or two.
[00:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> the internet breaks for ~5 days after ubuntu gets released
[00:31] <Q_Continuum> I tried running it pre-release, let me find the forum post
[00:31] <Q_Continuum> I know :(
[00:32] <Q_Continuum> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=578790&highlight=debmirror+gutsy
[00:32] <Q_Continuum> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=578790
[00:32] <stiv2k> what command do i need to upgrade?  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt show any available updates
[00:33] <stiv2k> oh, maybe its do-release-upgrade ?
[00:33] <Q_Continuum> I was planning on mirroring it the day before, and having 99% of the stuff on my server, then just any last-minute fixes to download after that.
[00:35] <Q_Continuum> I'm stumped on the 'Patch binary missing, falling back to --pdiff=none' error.  I don't know what 'Patch binary' it is looking for :-/
[00:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, try installing the package `patch`
[00:36] <Q_Continuum> wow, there actually is such an app.
[00:37] <Yahooadam> lol
[00:37] <Yahooadam> my bios fails so badly at CPU temp readings
[00:37] <Yahooadam> CPU -126C/258F MB 125C/257F
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Q_Continuum, yup :)
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ bios
[00:41] <Yahooadam> ive checked in ubuntu before and it was like 40C so im happy enough
[00:41] <Yahooadam> im pretty sure the bios is wrong ;)
[00:44] <mastercane> 90 % off BIOS / chipset sensors on consumer hardware show wrong values...
[00:45] <Yahooadam> yeah but usually not _that_ wrong :p
[00:46] <Yahooadam> maybe off by like 5% or somthing, not 315%
[00:57] <mastercane> okay - thats right ;)
[01:20] <leonel> I had  Feisty working with  qemu as host  with  feisty and gutsty  guests
[01:20] <leonel> now I've upgraded to Gutsy  and  the guests  hang with gutsy's qemu
[01:20] <leonel> Same as  bug 126046
[01:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126046 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gobuntu hangs on boot under qemu" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126046
[01:23] <leonel> edgy and dapper as guests  work  fine
[01:23] <leonel> what could change  in gutsy ??
[01:44] <mastercane> leonel: post the corresponding log entries
[01:45] <mastercane> the second poster in the bugreport IMO only has a simple udev problem
[01:45] <leonel> mastercane: I guess just the same error he has  I have
[01:46] <leonel> the same screenshots he has  it's my error   I can't get any log
[01:46] <mastercane> you only have the message "/dev/disk/... does not exist"?
[01:47] <mastercane> why can't you get any log?
[01:47] <leonel> booting qemu ...
[01:48] <mastercane> which commandline do you use?
[01:48] <leonel> Loading please wait ...
[01:48] <leonel> qemu gutsy.img
[01:48] <leonel> I'm on gutsy as host  and gutsy as  guest
[01:48] <leonel> the instalation  needed to blacklist  piix_ata
[01:50] <leonel> still   loading  please wait ...
[01:51] <mastercane> nothing in the logfiles?
[01:51] <mastercane> can't you increase the loglevel?
[01:51] <leonel> now  I have a promt  with:
[01:51] <leonel> (initramfs)
[01:52] <leonel>  /dev/disk no such file  or directory
[01:53] <leonel>  in  /var/   I have  run and lock
[01:53] <mastercane> can you start the testimages?
[01:53] <leonel> no log files
[01:53] <leonel> what testimages ?
[01:53] <mastercane> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html
[01:54] <leonel> lets check ..
[01:55] <leonel> mastercane: any image in particular ??
[01:56] <mastercane> take the first
[01:56] <leonel> linux-0.2 ..
[01:56] <leonel> downloading ..
[01:58] <leonel> mastercane: I got  a shell
[01:58] <mastercane> so only your image is broken, not the complete qemu I think
[01:59] <leonel> mastercane:  tested   dapper  edgy  centos 5 and 4  and  all worked  fine  and those where installed on feisty host   now   feisty and gutsy as guests on   gutsy host  does not work
[02:00] <mastercane> did you install the non working gutsy image on gutsy or was it created under feisty, to?
[02:02] <leonel> first   feisty and gutsy where created  on  feisty  and worked fine   now  upgraded the host to gutsy and  the feisty and gutsy stopped working    then  make a gutsy  guest  on gutsy host  and  installed fine   just needed to  blacklist  the  PIIX_ATA    to find the cdrom for install    and installed fine    then at boot   this is the result
[02:03] <leonel>  
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> without downloading the ISOs, how can i see whats on an install cds seed?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm sure ogra has told me in the past, but i dont remember :(
[02:05] <mastercane> read this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/67256
[02:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67256 in initramfs-tools ""-generic" kernel doesn't boot after upgrade to Edgy prerelease (but -386 does)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> any idea if ubuntu will remove all the extra indecies files for EOLd released like they removed the packages?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: are the packages for warty actually gone?
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ the packages lists are gone
[02:36] <leonel> didn't worked  and when boot in recovery mode   hangs  after detecting the eth0 and same error
[02:55] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser: but the packages, at least the source onnes, must bge there for gpl reasons
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Burgundavia, thtas possable, i dont know
[03:21]  * lamont waves from the colorado loco party
[04:24] <mikeo2> anyone here ever successfully configure SElinux with ubuntu-server?
[04:24] <mikeo2> everyone i have talked to in person says its impossible to configure properly, and to not waste my time with it
[04:24] <mikeo2> but since the NSA made it i think it might be worth the time
[05:39] <BBHoss> anyone know of a good dedicated server provider that installs ubuntu?
[06:19] <joebob777as7> hey need help with remote mysql. receiving Could not connect to host '192.168.0.2'.
[06:19] <joebob777as7> MySQL Error Nr. 2003
[06:19] <joebob777as7> Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.2' (111)
[06:20] <joebob777as7> google didn't help
[06:20] <PanzerMKZ> why does it have to be installed from the factory?
[06:21] <joebob777as7> anyone have any ideas or what i should be looking for?
[09:55] <Ali_ix> hi
[09:55] <Ali_ix> how can i reconfigure/reset WHOLE network settings (interfaces, interface names, ip addreses and ptable rules) in ubuntu? any dpkg-recinfigure like command/way to do?
[10:02] <soren> Ali_ix: No, that stuff is scattered a bit.
[10:03] <soren> Ali_ix: Renaming of interfaces is in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.
[10:03] <soren> Ali_ix: ip address and such is in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:03] <soren> Ali_ix: iptables is up to you.
[10:04] <Ali_ix> soren: thanks for info, i have changed/added some network card and now whole network is messed up :|
[10:06] <soren> Ali_ix: Which version of Ubuntu?
[10:07] <Ali_ix> soren: Gutsy gibbon
[10:08] <Ali_ix> soren: i thinks first thing is to name interfaces correctly
[10:08] <soren> Ali_ix: Interface names should never change.
[10:08] <soren> Ali_ix: That's that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is there for.
[10:10] <Ali_ix> soren: i have 3 network cards, i have problem finding the interface connected to a specific network! if i can name them like eth-local eth-net eth-wireless it makes easie to config :)
[10:14] <soren> Ali_ix: Ah, right.
[10:14] <soren> Ali_ix: but Ubuntu should never be changing the names unless you've told it to do so.
[10:16] <Ali_ix> soren: yes, i thought there would be something to re arrange interfaces! after some nic change/removal i have som strange interface neames! eth0 eth3! and no eth2 and eth1! while the eth3 nic is the one from before nic changes ... 8} a bit confusing
[12:11] <Ali_ix> hi again :)
[12:58] <kraut> moin
[14:31] <stefg> I could use some documentation about packaging a restricted module for a selfmade kernel. obviously the old fashioned module-assistant method from debian doesn't work, th moduöe isn't found, i think because retriced manager expects it in a different place. Googled around for some time now, but gutsy docu isn't very widespread yet, it seems
[16:10] <isiahw1> Is there a GUI for the server edition or is it strictly command line?
[16:59] <c1|freakyy> can i see what packages have been upgraded in the last 2 apt-get upgrade s`?
[17:02] <mikeo2> do-release-upgrade froze, is there a way i could see exactly what it was doing and finish the upgrade myself?
[17:03] <mikeo2> it froze at the removing old packages stage
[17:03] <soren> c1|freakyy: /var/lib/dpkg.log
[17:03] <soren> c1|freakyy: /var/log/dpkg.log, I mean.
[17:03] <c1|freakyy> thank you
[17:03] <mikeo2> so autoremoved the old packages
[17:04] <mikeo2> but i don't want to restart the machine till i know its the newest version
[17:04] <mikeo2> what does do-release-upgrade do after removing old packages
[17:04] <mikeo2> it updated grub and everything already
[17:05] <mikeo2> last thing it did was update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-386
[17:17] <mikeo2> seems to work
[18:50] <stiv2k> hi, i recently did a do-release-upgrade on my server and when i came back a couple hours later it said the SSH session was terminated but i cant tell if the release upgrade was completed or not... what does this mean?
[19:34] <nealmcb> stiv2k: did you log back in?  what does "lsb_release -a" say?
[20:17] <nealmcb> stiv2k: did it warn you about upgrading over ssh, and create an additional ssh server on port 9004 in case of problems?
[20:18] <nealmcb> so you might try ssh -p 9004 user@machine   to get back in
[20:31] <stiv2k> nealmcb: i tried that but it said connection refused
[20:31] <stiv2k> No LSB modules are available.
[20:31] <stiv2k> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[20:31] <stiv2k> Description:    Ubuntu 7.10
[20:31] <stiv2k> Release:        7.10
[20:31] <stiv2k> Codename:       gutsy
[21:48] <stiv2k> do i need to reboot the machine after upgrading to gutsy?
[21:49] <stiv2k> its acting extremely slow
[22:10] <stiv2k> ok i have a serious problem
[22:10] <stiv2k> the server was being slow so i rebooted it and now 2 of my other filesystems arent showing up
[22:10] <stiv2k> ???
[22:11] <stiv2k> steve@galatea:/$ sudo mount /home
[22:11] <stiv2k> [sudo] password for steve:
[22:11] <stiv2k> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /home busy
[22:11] <stiv2k> steve@galatea:/$ ls -l /home
[22:11] <stiv2k> total 0
[22:59] <stiv2k> help
[22:59] <stiv2k> someone
[23:01] <ScottK> !weekend | stiv2k
[23:01] <ubotu> stiv2k: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[23:01] <stiv2k> ScottK: i see
[23:01]  * ScottK isn't the right person to help.  Sorry.
[23:01] <stiv2k> dont put yourself down like that
[23:02] <ivoks> :)
[23:02] <stiv2k> ivoks: can you help me
[23:02] <ivoks> maybe
[23:02] <stiv2k> maybe is better than no
[23:02] <ScottK> Not putting myself down, just file system issues aren't were my expertise is.
[23:02] <ivoks> uff... file system issues...
[23:02] <stiv2k> i really need to get this fs mounted cause i wanna watch a movie :/
[23:03] <ivoks> well, the problem is?
[23:03] <stiv2k> ivoks: ok my /home is on a different partition, /dev/sda1 than my root
[23:03] <stiv2k> and after doing the dist-upgrade and rebooting
[23:04] <stiv2k> all of a sudden the /home filesystem is not there anymore
[23:04] <stiv2k> mount /dev/sda1 /home says
[23:04] <stiv2k> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /home busy
[23:04] <stiv2k> but its not mounted
[23:04] <stiv2k> and im stuck
[23:04] <ivoks> do you have evms installed?
[23:04] <stiv2k> yes
[23:04] <ivoks> deinstall it
[23:04] <stiv2k> why? what is it
[23:04] <ivoks> apt-get --purge remove emvs
[23:05] <ivoks> if you don't know, you don't need it
[23:05] <stiv2k> enterprise volume management or something?
[23:05] <ivoks> yes
[23:05] <stiv2k> still dont know what that is
[23:05] <stiv2k> also during the dist-upgrade my ssh session got terminated twice when it was doing update-initramfs
[23:06] <stiv2k> i dunno why
[23:06] <ivoks> i doubt that was the reason
[23:09] <stiv2k> the update-initramfs takes forever...
[23:12] <stiv2k> the session gets terminated every time
[23:12] <stiv2k> ivoks: so what now?
[23:12] <stiv2k> now that evms is gone
[23:13] <stiv2k> i still cannot mount the drive
[23:13] <ivoks> reboot
[23:13] <stiv2k> ok
[23:14]  * stiv2k hopes it works
[23:15] <stiv2k> YEAAA
[23:15] <stiv2k> ivoks: thanks a lot man
[23:15] <ivoks> np
[23:16] <ivoks> 'night all