[05:22] <Infopirate> what is the difference between edubuntu and regular ubuntu??
[05:24] <nrp> edubuntu desktop comes with additional education (k-12, mostly) related packages.  edubuntu server/workstation comes with LTSP preconfigured to set up a "classroom environment" with thin clients
[05:25] <Infopirate> nice....
[15:25] <bddebian> Heya
[17:25] <attunix> ! #ubuntu-general
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[20:16] <Rplata> Fresh install users can not switch users... They have to log off to switch users.
[20:17] <Rplata> Also compiz says no whitelisted drivers found...
[20:33] <sbalneav> Rplata: this on the console? Or for thin clients?
[20:33] <Rplata> Thin clients both issues.
[20:34] <Rplata> I installed nvidia drivers in chroot
[20:34] <sbalneav> Switching users won't work on thin clients.
[20:35] <sbalneav> And neither will compiz
[20:36] <Rplata> No says user not logged in console or something... I had to leave though. I'm on the road.
[20:37] <sbalneav> The fast switcher app won't work for thin clients
[20:37] <sbalneav> Just remove it from the panel.
[20:37] <Rplata> Compiz says no whitelisted drivers found.
[20:37] <sbalneav> And compiz doesn't like to work remotely
[20:38] <Rplata> Oh ok.
[20:38] <sbalneav> Compiz wants to have the video card local.
[20:38] <Rplata> The swith user button doesn't work when i clixk log out button.
[20:39] <sbalneav> No, it won't
[20:39] <sbalneav> It should be disabled.
[20:39] <Rplata> Oh ok. Can i remove the button somehow?
[20:39] <sbalneav> Both the fast user switcher, and the switch user button rely on the users being local, but they don't locally exist on the thin client.
[20:40] <Rplata> Will it ever work?
[20:40] <sbalneav> We don't currently have a way to remove it.
[20:40] <sbalneav> No.
[20:40] <Rplata> Ok
[20:40] <sbalneav> Well, not unless they radically change the way it works.
[20:41] <sbalneav> Locally, it relies on simply giving access to your X cookies to switch to another user
[20:41] <Rplata> Another question what are some of the causes of client slowness?
[20:41] <sbalneav> but that doesn't work across remote X connections.
[20:41] <sbalneav> Have you enabled LDM_DIRECTX = True?
[20:41] <Rplata> No
[20:41] <sbalneav> By default, all traffic between the client and server is encrypted.
[20:42] <sbalneav> Enabling LDM_DIRECTX = True eliminates the encryption, which, for slow clients, can be a major slow down.
[20:43] <Rplata> Ok. My clients aren't slow two ghz system ...
[20:43] <Rplata> Or is that slow?
[20:44] <sbalneav> Well, even that fast will have a bit of latency with the added encryption.
[20:44] <sbalneav> And, keep in mind, a thin client will never be as fast as a local login.
[20:44] <sbalneav> Network speed is also a factor.
[20:45] <Rplata> Ok. I'll try that. Btw lts.conf wasn't installed by default? Is that normal?
[20:45] <sbalneav> Yep.
[20:45] <sbalneav> Normally, it isn't needed anymore.  Defaults work fine out of the box.
[20:47] <Rplata> Ok well i had to update ssh keys and rebuild image to grt mine working ootb. Think i have an install issue?
[20:47] <Rplata> Or is it just finnicky?
[20:47] <sbalneav> Was this a fresh install or an upgrade?
[20:47] <Rplata> Fresh
[20:48] <sbalneav> And, did you change the networking after you installed it
[20:48] <sbalneav> If you change any networking (i.e. change IP addresses, or the like) you need to update the sshkeys and rebuild the image, that's perfectly normal.
[20:50] <Rplata> Ok that was it then. Are future releases going to have initial setup for secondary subnet for alternate nic on install?
[20:51] <sbalneav> Should be that by default.
[20:51] <sbalneav> If you have an unconfigured nic, it should assign it 192.168.0.254, and enable it for ltsp use.
[20:52] <Rplata> My network uses 192.168.0.x so i changed clients to worj on 10.0.0.x
[20:52] <sbalneav> Ah, well, if you touch it manually, then it won't automagically happen.  You'll have to do some manual config.
[20:53] <sbalneav> But it's rather minor, just the update-sshkeys, and the update image.
[20:53] <sbalneav> I think for Hardy, we're planning a gui tool to manage the chroot.
[20:54] <Rplata> Yeah ok. Thanks for all of the help! Anything major coming up for the next release? Ie. New cool stuff?
[20:54] <Rplata> Nice!
[20:54] <sbalneav> I think localapps will work. That's been years coming :)
[20:55] <Rplata> What do you mean?
[20:56] <sbalneav> For larger thin clients, running some apps locally, like Firefox, or VOIP phone software.
[20:57] <Rplata> Awesome! Will that require hdd's?
[20:57] <sbalneav> No, shouldn't.
[20:58] <sbalneav> Otherwise, it wouldn't be a thin client, would it? :)
[20:58] <Rplata> How will it work?
[20:59] <sbalneav> The UDS is coming up soon.  Keep an eye on the specs, you'll see all the details there.
[20:59] <Rplata> Uds?
[21:00] <sbalneav> Ubuntu Developer's Summit
[21:01] <Rplata> Oh ok cool. Think compiz will be one if those local things?
[21:02] <sbalneav> I'll be blunt.  Personally, I have no interest in seeing compiz working on thin clients, as I have no use for compiz.  If someone else wants to do the work to make it work, then it'll happen.  But I won't be working on it :)  Most of the thin clients I deal with aren't capable of running compiz anyway.
[21:03] <Rplata> Ok. Thanks for all the help. Keep up the good work!
[21:04] <stgraber> sbalneav: any idea when will the Edubuntu specs be registered on LP (proposed for UDS scheduling) ?
[21:05] <sbalneav> stgraber: No idea.  I was going to enter in a couple of specs later on today.  I don't know who's entering specs.
[21:05] <sbalneav> I guess, just enter whatever one's your interested in :)
[21:10] <attunix> What libraries are needed to develop in QT?
[21:11] <sbalneav> attunix: You ran off last night
[21:12] <sbalneav> I had worked out a command line you could use to compile.
[21:12] <attunix> sbalneav: yeah, I know. :P
[21:12] <attunix> oh
[21:12] <attunix> sorry :(
[21:12] <attunix> I got it working, anyway :P
[21:13] <sbalneav> Wow
[21:13] <sbalneav> just
[21:13] <sbalneav> wow
[21:13] <sbalneav> I was looking up the QT libs for him.
[21:13] <sbalneav> He pulled the exact same stunt last night
[23:26] <attunix> How do I get Edubuntu to mount my floppy drive? It says "mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified."
[23:27] <attunix> I'll try formatting it and see what happens....
[23:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[23:30] <attunix> It works! :)
[23:31] <attunix> just needed a little formatting....:P
[23:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[23:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Amaranth, morning mate
[23:49] <Skratz0r> Hey duders...
[23:50] <Skratz0r> Whats the difference between Ubuntu and the rest? (Edu, k, go, etc)
[23:50] <Skratz0r> BBL dudes
[23:50] <Skratz0r> (Idling)