[00:16] <awag> hello, can anyone help me with configuring strigi? it doesn't seem to work right
[00:16] <WaltzingAlong> awag: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu and kubuntu support in #kubuntu
[00:16] <awag> ok
[00:17] <Riddell> or #strigi
[00:17] <awag> ok thanks
[00:31] <fdoving> Riddell: did you investigate the kdesudo bind-to-tty issue?
[00:31]  * nosrednaekim pings mhb again...
[00:32] <fdoving> bug 132456
[00:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132456
[00:33] <Riddell> fdoving: never had time, could try KProcess's pty method thingy, but I suspect it would end up with having to have a new password for each use
[00:34] <Riddell> I'm still not convinced its very important, sudo is ment to remember your password and X users don't care about ptys
[00:34] <fdoving> i tried, but it didn't help, still 'unknown'
[00:34] <fdoving> that's the pty thing.
[00:34] <fdoving> KProcess::setUsePty() that is
[00:35] <Riddell> curious
[00:35] <fdoving> i'm not convinced either. as you say it'll be one new password per pty. and that's kinda stupid.
[00:36] <snikker> when i go in "systemsettings" --> display, an error message say that's impossible to load the display module... can you help me?
[00:36] <Riddell> snikker: does displayconfig  work from the command line?
[00:38] <snikker> Riddell: no, i've got an error... i've paste it here: http://pastebin.ca/743988
[00:38]  * nosrednaekim suspects XGL
[00:41] <fdoving> uh.. gksudo uses 3 and 4. that is /var/run/sudo/$user/3 and 4.
[00:41] <fdoving> weird.
[00:41] <fdoving> 3 that is.
[00:42] <snikker> nosrednaekim: i've installed xgl, but in feistywork fine
[00:43] <snikker> nosrednaekim: after upgrade to gusty i've got this problem.
[00:43] <nosrednaekim> snikker: hmm yeah, it works for me in XGL, but it didn't in fiesty
[00:43] <fdoving> Riddell: gksudo isn't perfect either. kmenu -> run command -> gksudo dolphin does also create the unknown file.
[00:43] <fdoving> i'll just forget that issue for now.
[00:44] <snikker> nosrednaekim: what can i do? i must remove beryl?
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> snikker: you could try disabling xgl and testing then.
[00:45] <snikker> nosrednaekim: do you mean xgl in xorg.conf?
[00:46] <Riddell> fdoving: I'd suspect it would, it's actually why we didn't use -H in the first place
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> snikker: no, I mean either uninstall it or disable it with a file in .confog
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> *config
[00:48] <fdoving> Riddell: i was talking about the /var/run/sudo/$user/unknown file. the tty thing in gksudo doesn't work well unless ran from konsole, or probably some gnome-way.
[00:48] <Riddell> fdoving: oh, right
[00:48] <snikker> nosrednaekim: ok, now i try do it
[00:48] <Riddell> fdoving: suspected that too :)
[00:51] <fdoving> well, nite.
[00:52] <Riddell> thanks fdoving
[00:52] <Riddell> sleep well
[01:32] <coreymon77> hey guys
[01:32] <coreymon77> is kde 3.5.8 stalbe
[01:32] <coreymon77> stable*
[01:32] <coreymon77> or still beta
[01:34] <Riddell> hasn't been beta for many a year
[01:35] <coreymon77> oh
[01:35] <coreymon77> v\nvm
[01:35] <coreymon77> i though i still had 357
[01:36] <coreymon77> well, ive gotta say, first impressions of gutsy are very good
[02:01] <CPrgmSwR2> I noticed that kde4 release canidate is around the corner
[02:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Well there be packages that maintain up to date with kde4 release canidate
[02:04] <DaSkreech> as soon as they announcing the tagging
[02:05] <CPrgmSwR2> So once the tagging is announced, then the packages put together the packages?
[02:06] <CPrgmSwR2> Are they usually released within 24 hours of that period?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> No :)
[02:16]  * blauzahl frowns. 
[02:16] <blauzahl> Failed to fetch http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/dists/feisty/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found
[02:17] <blauzahl> a) shouldn't it be gutsy? b) 302 error?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> Ask the medibuntu folks
[02:18] <blauzahl> who are they?
[02:19] <blauzahl> or rather, why do you say that?
[02:19] <DaSkreech> #medibuntu
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Cause they work on thier own
[02:20] <blauzahl> what is it, though?
[02:20] <blauzahl> that makes them sound very mysterious.
[02:21] <blauzahl> oh, i see.
[02:22] <blauzahl> ok.
[03:14] <besonen_mobile_> where's the 7.10 changelog?
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> besonen_mobile_: the release notes?
[03:16] <besonen_mobile_> where on the kubuntu website are those?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> should be right off the front page under 7.10 final release
[03:17] <besonen_mobile_> i just found them.  bottom of the page.
[03:18] <besonen_mobile_> i take that back.  that was a link to ubuntu's 7.10 changelog.
[03:18] <besonen_mobile_> still looking for the kubuntu 7.10 changelog.  if anyone has a url i'd love to have it.
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> that what you are looking for?^^
[03:22] <besonen_mobile_> thanks nosrednaekim , but there is no changelog there.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> hmm
[04:18] <jjess1> Evening on from my Nokia N800
[04:19] <DaSkreech> 810 :)
[04:20] <jjess1> grin nope the 8000
[04:24] <nixternal> wow
[04:24] <nixternal> I have done 20 lightscribe images (every *buntu iso for 32 and 64bit, 7.10)
[04:24] <nixternal> now I have to burn all of the images I am currently downloading
[04:24] <nixternal> down to 7...one finished :)
[04:25] <jjess1> wow sound like fun
[04:26] <jjess1> nixternal: connected via,my nokia
[04:27] <nixternal> nice
[04:27] <jjess1> yah gaim has an irc plugin
[04:28] <jjess1> And since the nokia is debian based.....
[04:28] <nixternal> there is a guy in Ubuntu Chicago who lives on irc with a blackberry
[04:29] <jjess1> cool well bed time now that the football game is over
[04:30] <nixternal> did mich lose again?
[04:30] <jjess1> nope beat illinois
[04:30] <nixternal> I watched the one td where to take them to 10, but it was still illinois 13, michigan 10 at that point
[04:30] <nixternal> sweet!
[04:34] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Which images?
[04:34] <nixternal> lightscribe images?
[04:35] <nixternal> I made the lightscribe images
[04:37] <DaSkreech> thats the crazy burner thing?
[04:47] <nixternal> ya
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I didn't know it needed specific images
[04:55] <nixternal> it doesn't need specific iso images
[04:55] <nixternal> graphic images
[04:58] <DaSkreech> So JPEG or PNG isn't good enough? :)
[05:02] <nixternal> it is, but I created SVGs so I can easily swap out images
[05:03] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[05:03] <DaSkreech> smart :)
[05:05] <nixternal> I want to so some really nice ones though
[05:05] <nixternal> the only one that is tough is the Xubuntu one cuz they stuck the mouse in the middle, and you can't print in the middle of a cd :)
[05:19] <claydoh> ahhh lightscribe, I did only one disk so far (dapper)
[05:19] <claydoh> http://www.claydoh.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19
[05:21] <DaSkreech> k3b supports it?
[05:21] <claydoh> I dunno, the software burned the image for me outside k3b
[05:21] <claydoh> so I don't know why the mention of k3b
[05:22] <nixternal> there is 4LS or something like that for Linux...it is hit or miss on if it works for you
[05:23] <claydoh> ya, Lacie has the 4L, and lightscribe.com has a simpler one
[05:25] <nixternal> the simpler one is garbage though
[05:25] <nixternal> you have to use their labels
[05:25] <nixternal> they have a new template labeler which allows you to create templates, and it is free of charge
[05:56] <nixternal> DaSkreech: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/pics/
[05:56] <nixternal> there are the CDs that I made tonight
[05:56] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!!
[05:59]  * DaSkreech sits on Hobbsee
[06:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Those look great!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal, DaSkreech!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: seen the article?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> No I haven't
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: hey
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: saw your upload reguarding to kdesudo
[11:27] <Tonio_> fdoving: sudo yakuakr also creates a root owned rc file in the user profile
[11:27] <Tonio_> I don't understand that what i considered a critical bug arround kdesudo seems to be "normal" behavior with sudo :/
[11:28] <Tonio_> just done asudo yakuake and my rc file is owned by root aswell
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that a sudo bug btw ?
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: then make kdesudo using sudo -H would be imho a workarround for the sudo bug right ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw I'll have to compare with gksu on that point, maybe kdesudo whould just act like gksu
[11:37] <Tonio_> hum gksu seems to be using sudo -h too, right
[11:37] <Tonio_> let's go like that
[11:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks or the fix, I'll commit on bzr
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> ping mhb
[13:10]  * nosrednaekim really really wants mhb to come out of the woodwork
[13:11] <Jucato> let him be :)
[13:15] <nosrednaekim> heh
[13:18] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hey
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb hey!
[13:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: you may be happy to hear that I am about 50% done writing a dialog frontend to the restricted-manager
[13:20] <mhb> oh, that's great
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> but I need some info on what some of the gui classes do, such as the firmware select.
[13:20] <mhb> the firmware select dialog lets you choose a firmware file for the driver
[13:20] <nosrednaekim> does it need to go out to the internet?
[13:21] <mhb> it has a local file select or remote file select
[13:22] <mhb> so when the user inserts an URL, it should go and download it, that is what the Progress class is for (shows progress of the download)
[13:22] <mhb> I think
[13:24] <nosrednaekim> ah ok. they have to insert a URL, I didn't want them to go browsing becausethat would require some lynx embedding ;)
[13:24]  * nosrednaekim didn't really read the FW* classes very well
[13:25] <nosrednaekim> But yeah, it happily enables and disables my atheros and ATI drivers :). It was dead simple thanks to the Common classes
[13:26] <mhb> nosrednaekim: do you have the code in a branch somewhere?
[13:26] <mhb> I'd like to take a look at it
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> mhb: no I don't and I have no clue how to work bazaar :)
[13:28] <nosrednaekim> i'm planning on learning during Open Week though.
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> mhb: and it has two dependencies, dialog and python-dialog. I tried to do plain ncurses,but that was getting complicated fast.
[13:33] <mhb> are those in kubuntu by default?
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> in the repositories,yes,but not on the install.
[13:35] <mhb> ah
[13:35] <nosrednaekim> I can DCC the single python file to you if you want..
[14:28] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, I seen it...not to shabby..he did a pretty good write up actually
[14:29]  * Jucato waves to nixternal
[14:29]  * nixternal waves back
[14:29] <nixternal> wasting time before the party and install fest
[14:29] <Jucato> kool!
[14:29] <Jucato> will speedy gonzales be there? :)
[14:31] <nixternal> no, he is back at school
[14:31] <nixternal> his twin will be though
[14:31] <Jucato> haha yeah eddie. he's been in #kubuntu a lot lately
[14:32] <nixternal> cool, he might become the next head of the Chicago team actually
[14:32] <Jucato> ooooh
[14:32] <Jucato> hm... I forgot his problem. but he had an issue with Kubuntu the other day. and we both decided on the perfect solution
[14:33] <nixternal> he always has an issue :)
[14:33] <Jucato> "Make Richard fix it"
[14:33] <nixternal> ahh, so that is why he is bringing me his computer today
[14:33] <Jucato> hahah :)
[14:33] <Jucato> just tell him not to bring a large sombrero...
[14:34] <nixternal> hehe
[14:34] <nixternal> they take enough flack from me as it is
[14:34] <nixternal> I have fun picking on them
[14:35] <nixternal> they will both probably tell you I am more Mexican than they are
[14:35] <Jucato> too bad you don't get to pick on them both this tie :)
[14:35] <nixternal> thank god, I need a break every now and then :p
[14:35] <Jucato> hahah
[14:59] <Tm_T> hi kids
[15:00] <Jucato> hi sir!
[15:25] <bddebian> Heya
[15:27] <Jucato> nixternal: ping?
[15:57]  * Hobbsee wonders why konversation is not translated.
[16:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: yeah, the -H and using .Xauthority from the executing users home seems like a solution. I'm not 100% up2date on xauth stuff, so i'm not sure if there are alternative ways to do it.. or more secure ways. but as it's root reading i don't think it makes much difference.
[16:49] <fdoving> problems will appear when one kdesudo to other users than root. users without read access to ~/.Xauthority of the executing user.
[16:49] <Riddell> fdoving: have you tested your patch with systemsetting and kcontrol?
[16:49] <fdoving> Riddell: systemsettings did work yesterday.
[16:50] <fdoving> Riddell: the changes won't really affect anything in those cases, as the modules connect to another x client via ICE.
[16:50] <fdoving> so one doesn't need to auth to X directly.
[16:51] <Riddell> groovy
[16:51] <Jucato> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade <--- shouldn't it be "Pre-released updates" instead of "Proposed updates"?
[16:52] <fdoving> Riddell: but as i just said, once you start using 'kdesudo -u someotheruser app' you might get problems, because other non-root users won't have read access to ~/.Xauthority
[16:52] <fdoving> so the solution isn't perfect.
[16:55] <Riddell> Jucato: gar, I just changed that, did the string change between gutsy and feisty?
[16:55] <fdoving> but that didn't work earlier either. so it's nothing I introduced.
[16:55] <Jucato> Riddell: someone on feisty was looking for Proposed updates and couldn't see it
[16:55] <Jucato> but Pre-released was there instead
[16:55] <Riddell> Jucato: changed back
[16:56] <Jucato> kool! thanks! :)
[16:59] <fdoving> Riddell: what do you think about dynamically adding users to the acl with xhost +si:localuser:$sudo-to-username for each kdesudo?
[17:04] <Riddell> fdoving: rather than playing with xauthority files?
[17:04] <fdoving> Riddell: yeah.
[17:05] <Riddell> fdoving: worth a shot
[17:05] <fdoving> i'll give it a try.
[19:10] <jjesse> afternoon
[19:23] <DaSkreech> Would it be possible to have a weekly updates KDE4 repo
[19:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw your mai'
[19:25] <_StefanS_> mail
[19:26] <stdin> DaSkreech: it's not guaranteed that it will even build, so that'd be difficult. and the build deps are constantly changing. so possible maybe, but extremely difficult
[19:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: strange thing it works here.. and enable kdm themes is preselected.
[19:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Oh Sorry I was thiniking after 4.0 actually
[19:31] <stdin> well, after 4.0 comes out the work on it will slow down a bit, weekly builds probably wouldn't be worth it
[19:31] <stdin> but that depends on the speed of development from the kde folks
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way to make it to work for me...
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no way to aply settings, no way to chan
[19:36] <Tonio_> change them too
[19:36] <_StefanS_> well you tested it when I made the package, right?
[19:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'd say the problem is just to be able to apply, once you can do that, it should work
[19:36] <Tonio_> nope, I didn't upload so I didn't test ;)
[19:37] <_StefanS_> ah hoobsee did
[19:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maye there is a difference between the package and what you have locally
[19:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you reinstall the package and test maybe ?
[19:37] <_StefanS_> uhm I will test on a vanilla vmware image
[19:37] <_StefanS_> probably the best way, and roll back until the bug is fixed
[19:38] <Tonio_> sure
[19:38] <_StefanS_> I cant do that now, will do it tomorrow. Have to work
[19:38] <_StefanS_> sounds as an easy fix tho
[19:54] <raphink> hi guys
[20:02] <DaSkreech> stdin: Why would it slow?
[20:02] <DaSkreech> raphink: hi I was looking for you for the past few days
[20:02] <stdin> DaSkreech: slower
[20:02] <raphink> DaSkreech: what for?
[20:02] <DaSkreech> raphink: Just wondering how icthux is doing
[20:03] <raphink> it's doing... whenever I have tiime for it
[20:03] <raphink> which is sometimes hard between my work and family
[20:03] <DaSkreech> Is there a community around it ?
[20:03] <raphink> there's a tiny community
[20:04] <raphink> nothing like the Ubuntu CE community
[20:04] <raphink> I haven't done all the advertising and all
[20:04] <raphink> ;)
[20:04] <DaSkreech> Mebbe you should :-)
[20:04] <raphink> no
[20:04] <raphink> :)
[20:05] <raphink> whoever wants to help is welcome
[20:05] <raphink> that's it
[20:05] <DaSkreech> stdin: I think that there is enormous work still left for 4.0 -> 4.1
[20:05] <DaSkreech> How will they put in help with that which they do not know ?
[20:05] <raphink> right now, I'm about to make a change to kubuntu-docs
[20:05] <stdin> yeah, but it won't be as frantic as 4.0, for now they are just trying to get it to work :p
[20:05] <DaSkreech>  how will they know unless there is someone to teach them?
[20:05] <raphink> that I've been wanting to do for 2 years and never took the time to
[20:05] <raphink> :)
[20:06] <DaSkreech>  Who will go forth to teach unless they are sent ?
[20:06] <raphink> :)
[20:06] <raphink> DaSkreech: if that's for me, I'm always open to mentor people
[20:06] <DaSkreech> stdin: There are loads of stuf they are still just trying to get to work and that won't be mainline focus till 4.0 -> 4.1 as well
[20:07] <DaSkreech> raphink: The send forth was for you ;-)
[20:07] <raphink> heh
[20:07] <raphink> well I don't really know where to stand right now
[20:07] <raphink> I doon't have as much time as I used to
[20:08] <raphink> Ubuntu CE has most of the people interested in a Christian linux
[20:08] <stdin> DaSkreech: yes, but making packages every week may be pointless, it'll probably break more than it fixes until release ,1
[20:08] <raphink> I don't agree with their way to develop but they have a lot more contributors
[20:08] <raphink> and well
[20:08] <raphink> I don't feel like duplicating work
[20:08] <raphink> I have other things to do
[20:08] <jjesse> hello raphink
[20:09] <raphink> hi jjesse
[20:21] <DaSkreech> stdin: I know but it's great for testing :)
[20:22] <DaSkreech> I'm using the KDE4 Live cd and it actually is nearly usable
[20:22] <DaSkreech> std
[20:22] <stdin> DaSkreech: there's nothing to stop you joining the Launchpad Beta Testers group and making a PPA ;)
[20:22] <DaSkreech> monthly repos then. I just want timed updated available in between 4.0 and 4.1 as an option for people since we are unofficial anyway
[20:22] <DaSkreech> might as well give people a reason to choose a kde4 kubuntu
[20:25] <DaSkreech> I'm hoping that 4.1 hits before 8.10 so we can have a blowout official KDE4 release
[20:25] <stdin> I can't see that not happening
[20:25] <DaSkreech> but I think that giving people the option to track the KDE4 progress once it's fairly usable will get more interest in kubuntu
[20:25] <DaSkreech> Me either
[20:26]  * DaSkreech checks out code for twiiter to see if he can rewrite it :)
[20:27] <DaSkreech> On a totally unrelated note startupmanger looks neat :)
[20:44] <jjesse> wow ok kopete is now crashing :(
[20:46] <DaSkreech> in MSN?
[20:53] <jjesse> DaSkreech: in anything, have kopete open and not connected and it crashes
[20:53] <jjesse> DaSkreech: sign on to AIM and it crashes
[20:53] <jjesse> sign on to MSN and it crashes
[20:56] <DaSkreech> jjesse: with what reason?
[20:56] <jjesse> on the konsole i get a lot of QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range
[20:56] <jjesse> klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[21:16] <DaSkreech> jjesse: This is standard gutsy?
[21:49] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes standard 64 bit Gutsy
[21:59] <Riddell> jjesse: the kopete crash is known, a fix is in gutsy-proposed
[21:59] <DaSkreech> DOh! I just updated
[22:04] <seele> mhb: kde-fosscamp?
[22:04] <DaSkreech> hi seele
[22:06] <mhb> hi seele , what's that and what am I supposed to do?
[22:08] <mhb> seele: shouldn't that question be directed on someone else?
[22:09] <seele> troy asked if you were coming for some reason?
[22:09] <seele> (to the meeting)
[22:09] <Riddell> jjesse should
[22:09] <Riddell> jjesse: /join #kde-fosscamp
[22:10] <mhb> hmm, a secret meeting? :o)
[22:10] <mhb> too bad I can't be there in person
[22:12] <mhb> well, goodnight folks.
[22:15] <DaSkreech> Night
[22:45] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping me when the meeting is over
[23:09] <fdoving> Riddell: i've hacked kdesudo to use xauth to automatically generate key-data for each connection, (xauth generate, man xauth for more info), it seems like the most sensible and secure solution to me. it will generate a new xauthority file with a random name, that is auto-deleted once kdesudo exits and the privileged app takes over. the session also times out if not used within 60 seconds. and the Xorg server controls that. looks cool so far. deb
[23:09] <fdoving> did that get truncated?..
[23:10] <Riddell> ".. looks cool so far. deb"
[23:10] <fdoving>  looks cool so far. debdiff -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_debdiff_ubuntu3_dynamic_xauth.diff - deb -> http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[23:11] <fdoving> Riddell: now it actually works with other users.. non root ones.
[23:11] <fdoving> unlike the previous kdesudo. with or without my previous changes.
[23:11] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ping?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> What will the kde package pull in on hardy ?
[23:15] <Riddell> DaSkreech: how do you mean>
[23:16] <DaSkreech> KDE4 ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> or KDE3 ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> At that point KDE 4.0 will be out and official
[23:16] <Dekans> kde3
[23:16] <Dekans> by default
[23:17] <Riddell> yes
[23:17] <fdoving> nite.
[23:17] <Riddell> although the meeting has put the thought of having select kde 4 modules like kde edu in main for hardy
[23:24] <DaSkreech> So kde 4.0 is totally unofficial for hardy
[23:27] <DaSkreech> Riddell: did you see my discussion earlier about a repo with monthly builds ?
[23:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I did not, but I'd like to see that happen (weekly more appropriate really)
[23:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I plan to have KDE 4 CDs for the 4.0 and following releases
[23:29] <DaSkreech> I said weekly too but stdin was objecting to that
[23:29] <DaSkreech> I know I've made that as public as I can
[23:30] <stdin> DaSkreech: I just said it would be difficult, didn't say I didn't like it
[23:30] <Dekans> an underground Kubuntu version :)
[23:30] <DaSkreech> stdin: Well I thought you were saying it wasn't worth it
[23:30] <DaSkreech> Dekans: Pretty close
[23:30] <Dekans> I mean for the KDE 4.0 CD
[23:30] <stdin> DaSkreech: I'm not sure it would, depends on how the development goes after 4.0
[23:31] <stdin> DaSkreech: I'll probably keep building from svn after release anyway
[23:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: a weekly KDE 4 archive just needs someone to script it really, checkout, add packaging, check it builds, upload to ppa
[23:33] <Dekans> it's done for e17
[23:33]  * DaSkreech misses hawkwind :(