WaltzingAlongsdlnxgk: wonderful so long as no problem has yet been encountered it must be great00:00
wertycan i play games on zone.com through wine?00:00
Linux_Galorefor the CD covers00:00
AT0M1CB0MB3Rpoty: ew envy :[00:00
WaltzingAlongsdlnxgk: but seriously, take a look at what it is doing and how it does that00:00
sdlnxgkDr_willis, most people don't go to the CLI to install and have problems00:00
Dr_willis_One good thing about Gutsy. it makes Automatix and envy. less and less needed.. (not that they were needed befor) :)00:00
AT0M1CB0MB3Rpoty: broke my friends box pretty bad00:00
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: I think its in kubuntu-default-settings00:00
Dr_willis_I will stick with the 'restricted-manager' tool for my simple needs00:01
Tm_Tenvy is Bad, end of discussion00:01
sdlnxgknow I tried to install nVidia drivers myself  and it broke my system and had to use envy -t  from the CLI to fix it00:01
sdlnxgkTm_T,  I guess to each his own till bitten00:01
WaltzingAlongTm_T: sure bad but why00:01
Dr_willis_of course if nvidia and ati would both get their acts together..  life would be better...00:01
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: what I find amusing is the CD cover artwork is not on any of the wiki/kubuntu related websites00:01
sdlnxgkDr_willis, I play games on mine so had to fix the driver issue00:02
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: ah..... i'm not sure where that is00:02
Dr_willis_Tm_T,  your system can get updated one day.. then fail to boot to X after the update..00:02
joheyHow do I set a WEP key for my wireless network interface? In System Settings->Network Settings, when setting a hexadecimal WEP key, the settings are forgotten after applying.00:02
Dr_willis_IRC is the Ultimate Game.00:02
sdlnxgkDr_willis,  ya but that is in a perfect world00:02
Tm_TWaltzingAlong: scripts that does break are bad in official channels00:02
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: Im running of a batch of CD's and I want to put some artwork on the covers00:02
sdlnxgktrying to find monitor settings with the new KDE00:02
WaltzingAlongBrightEyes`: perhaps you come across http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/grub/html_chapter/grub_toc.html#TOC21 thanks to google00:03
edenbeastjohey those settings are stored in /etc/network/interfaces00:03
WaltzingAlongTm_T: ok so there you have it sdlnxgk; envy is bad because it can break things and this is an official kubuntu support channel; nothing about it may or may not work for some people; just that it can break and does so in undesirable ways00:03
intelikeyhmmm if i bring up eth0 then i loose the ability to access www (ppp0)  but ifconfig eth0 down restores the connection on ppp0     any thoughts ?00:03
Dr_willis_Kubuntu set up both my wide screen monitors good. :) well after i installed the nvidia drivers.00:03
basculejohey: I also think that the wallet can hold them for you00:03
OakboxDr_willis_: with compiz, if i run compiz --replace it runs compiz for one session or forever?00:03
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  just that time..00:04
WaltzingAlongOakbox: current session00:04
joheyedenbeast: Cool. I have looked in that file, and there is no WEP key configuration as far as I can see. Where can I find an example of how to set it in that file manually?00:04
AT0M1CB0MB3Ranybody trying to make linux from scratch?00:04
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  and if you Kill that terminal. it may kill compiz. :)  use the exit command to close the shell.00:04
edenbeastjohey 1 sec I'll give you one00:04
sdlnxgkWaltzingAlong,  I believe ya when you say it can break things but for all three of my systems it has run flawless00:04
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i tried Linux From Scratch Once.. dident see much point in it. :)00:04
Dr_willis_You do learn a lot i guess. :)00:04
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: to learn?00:04
Tm_Tsdlnxgk: doesnt mztter here00:04
smaxhow do i know if nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new is prefered ?00:04
joheybascule: Hm. The wallet is per user, right? I want the NIC to be enabled at boot time, before logging in.00:05
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  but it dident teach me anything i dident allready know - other then to 'cut/paste wait' continue...00:05
wertyhow can i open iptraf00:05
WaltzingAlongsmax: preferred is the one that works with your card; check the website for the list00:05
WaltzingAlong!nvidia | smax00:05
ubotusmax: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto00:05
basculejohey: ah, then you need to set it in some file00:05
sdlnxgkanyone know where monitor settings are in the new KDE??00:05
smaxi have used nvidia-glx in the past.  i'll just stick with that.00:05
basculesdlnxgk: peripherals00:05
sdlnxgkor how to install sysinfo for Konqueror??00:05
intelikeyis it my routing table that's hosed ?00:05
sdlnxgkbascule, it's not listed in peripherals00:06
joheysdlnxgk: I have seen some monitor settings in System Settings->Monitor and Display.00:06
edenbeastjohey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41448/  this is for a static configuration dhcp would be easier (you get to omit a lot of stuff ;-) )00:06
stdinsdlnxgk: put it in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts00:06
smaxhow can i boot linux with out it invoking kde?00:06
Dr_willis_to configure the monitors on the nvida cards - i thouhg one used the 'nvidia-xconfig' tool00:06
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: did you try to make a live cd?00:06
sdlnxgkJohey in the old version yes I have seen that but not the new version of KDE00:06
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: that seems difficult00:06
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  nope. I tend touse SLAX to tweak my own live cd's00:06
andreasjust out os curiosity: Why does Gutsy use /dev/sd{a,b,..} instead of /dev/hd{a,b,..}? Any bigger changes in the handling of IDE-HDDs?00:06
basculesdlnxgk: neither it is, control centre, you'll see it00:07
intelikeyah looks like i'm still recieving this time.00:07
wertyhow can i open iptraf?00:07
sdlnxgkbascule, don't see control center in new version of KDE00:07
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: how do i install ati tool00:07
edenbeastandres are they sata disks maybe?00:07
sdlnxgkmaybe i'm missing something00:07
intelikeywerty konsole type iptraf ?00:07
basculesdlnxgk: system settings, Soth00:07
smaxi need to run nvidia-xconfig for glx to work with my card.  if i boot with my card installed i have a black screen upon loading kde.  a paradox.00:07
WaltzingAlongandreas: not used only for sata disks but using that interface00:07
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  no idea - look in the repos for it. I dont have any ati systems any more. Theres the !ati factoid also.00:07
tysonswI need a big help and quick.. my computer says that the command "deb" doesn't exist.. what do I do?00:08
Dr_willis_!find ati00:08
ubotuFound: binutils-static, foomatic-db, foomatic-db-engine, foomatic-db-gutenprint, foomatic-db-hpijs (and 147 others)00:08
sdlnxgkbascule, don't see system settings00:08
BrightEyes`how can i remove the boot loader from MBR ?00:08
joheyThanks alot, edenbeast! I will try to adapt those settings for me.00:08
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto00:08
intelikeytysonsw the command 'deb' does not exist.00:08
Dr_willis_BrightEyes`,  you instgall a different boot loader over it normally.00:08
basculesdlnxgk: off the menu, I have it00:08
WaltzingAlongsmax: if no kde shows, ctrl+alt+f1 to get to tty1 then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure x00:08
Linux_Galorebet they released Gutsy and havent done the artwork yet00:08
IkeKrullandreas: kernel devs decided to change all ide hard disks to use the sata driver layer around kernel 2.6.2000:08
joheyedenbeast: Are those really generated by the Network Settings in Kubuntu?00:08
sdlnxgkbascule, I have system settings but nothing with monitor00:08
prakhow do i unlock a locked dpkg session?00:08
Dr_willis_BrightEyes`,  depending on exactly what you are trying to do. You might want to use the dd command to zero it out. That might whipe the whole hd also.00:08
intelikeytysonsw what are you trying to do?00:09
tysonswintelikey on this page they state that I should wright that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion00:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi00:09
BrightEyes`Dr_willis_: how can grub automatically find my o/s like on kubuntu installation?00:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about unlook - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi00:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about unlock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi00:09
sdlnxgkbascule, the new KDE 3.5 is set up a little different00:09
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.00:09
prak!info dpkg00:09
ubotudpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.5ubuntu16 (gutsy), package size 2123 kB, installed size 6712 kB00:09
wertyi'va allready tried that:i think the app runs but there nothing on the monitor...00:09
basculesdlnxgk: I have it in system administration odd, anyway, alt+f2 kcontrol then go to peripherals00:09
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »00:09
stdintysonsw: you add it as a repository, not in konsole00:09
intelikeytysonsw show me what you typed in, or pasted in.00:09
Dr_willis_BrightEyes`,  Im not sure what command/how to make  grub rescan the system like the installer does.00:09
AT0M1CB0MB3Rprak: next time privet message him00:10
Dr_willis_BrightEyes`,  i normally just manually add the entrys i need to the menu.lst file00:10
andreasWaltzingAlong: strange, i have no sata, just plain old ide, but all my drives are referenced through sda, sdb (KDE, partitioning utility and default-maountpoints) /etc/ffstab still comments them as /dev/hda etc..00:10
WaltzingAlongBrightEyes`: in grub interface you can do something like setup or something. try help when you get there00:10
prakAT0M1CBOMBER: why private message?00:10
tysonswintelikey deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main00:10
prakthe bot?00:10
WaltzingAlongandreas: i can find the link explaining it00:10
sdlnxgkbascule, thanks will try that i'm going crazy here with this new KDE version thought maybe I didn't install something00:10
Dr_willis_Grub does not 'scan' the system and make the menu.lst thats some tool of the installer.00:10
edenbeastBrightEyes`: the MBR is the first 512 part of your hd so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<your device> bs=512 count=1  should do the trick00:10
sdlnxgkbascule, I just have login manager there00:11
Dr_willis_and leave him with a unbootable system. :)00:11
stdin!msgthebot | prak00:11
ubotuprak: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...00:11
basculesdlnxgk: well perhaps, I have always had sytem settongs at the bottom of the kmenu00:11
edenbeastBrightEyes`: but please make sure you have a bootdisk and back up your MBR first!00:11
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wertyi'va allready tried that:i think the app is running but there nothing on the monitor...(iptraf)00:11
tomer_phi all00:11
BrightEyes`edenbeast: ok im not going to do anything00:11
edenbeastDr_willis well he asked how to nuke the MBR :-|00:11
tomer_phow do i get the source code for my /usr/bin/tail00:11
tomer_pprogram, using adept00:11
vervek, so i'm upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy.. i think it finished, it's at the cleanup stage, asks me if i want to remove obsolete packages.. i say Remove, it works for about a minute then crashes00:11
Dr_willis_edenbeast,  yep..  asked how to make a noose to hang hiself. :)00:11
andreasIkeKrull: ah, ok that explains it. needs a bit of getting used to00:12
vervewhat should i do?00:12
ververe-run Adept?00:12
WaltzingAlongandreas: but i think it is just because the old access was slow and such but the sata access was faster and a better future platform       perhaps http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-422336.html00:12
Linux_Galoreheh, Always use the Italian Ubuntu Gutsy artwork heh -> http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jp00:12
Dr_willis_!find tail00:12
ubotuFound: logtail, whiptail, inotail, libfile-tail-perl, multitail (and 5 others)00:12
sdlnxgkbascule,  I only have digital camera, joystick, keyboard, mouse, printers, remote  controls, storage media inside Peripherals :(00:12
Linux_Galoreheh, Always use the Italian Ubuntu Gutsy artwork heh -> http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jpg00:12
intelikeytysonsw as stdin said,  you put that in the wrong place is all.   but you can use the konsole and,     echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list     if you like.00:12
basculesdlnxgk: very strange ....00:12
Dr_willis_tomer_p,  that would be part of some larger package i belive. Not sure which one tail comes in.00:12
werty!find iptraf00:12
ubotuFound: iptraf00:12
andreasWaltzingAlong: Thank you, that explains it. good to know. Is there a symlink to /dev/hda or are those indentifiers not usable any more?00:13
sdlnxgkbascule, very stranger indeed maybe when I upgraded KDE I forgot something will go back and look at package list00:13
gameforgeSo I am trying to run compiz in Kubuntu Gutsy but it has no window borders, and no hint of a window manager - I have gnome-desktop installed for fun, and it works great under gnome - using fglrx/ATI driver... what should I do?  Emerald and compiz are both running and not displaying errors...00:13
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: why does my adept manager say full upgrade00:13
tomer_pok but generally speaking, how can i get the source code for some package that i install using adept00:13
basculetomer_p: well it belongs to package core-utils, so get the source for that00:13
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: and version upgrade00:13
WaltzingAlongandreas: accessed via sda instead afaik00:13
basculesdlnxgk: kde admin or kde-admin00:13
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: im on gutsy00:13
prakis it possible to upgrade to gutsy by booting the alternative cd?00:13
tomer_pbascule: ok how do i get the source for core-utils?00:13
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  theres a bug in the package manager tool where it says you can upgrade even after you are Up to date.00:13
gameforgeYes that's another issue I'm having since upgrading to Gutsy, my adept still has a "Version Upgrade" button00:13
Dr_willis_gameforge,  ignore the button00:14
gameforgek :)00:14
WaltzingAlonggameforge: known issue00:14
sdlnxgkbascule, will give that a shot thanks for your help!!00:14
stdin!source | tomer_p00:14
awagcan anyone here help me with configuring strigi?00:14
ubotutomer_p: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html00:14
Dr_willis_got to be faq #3 :)00:14
WaltzingAlongprak: start feisty. insert the cd. then upgrade from the cd00:14
Linux_Galoreanyone got a link for the Kubuntu Gutsy artwork, dare say this image http://loeil.tonsite.biz/wp-content/2007/07/sexy-ubuntu.jpg qont be the best to use heh00:14
gameforgeSo what about my other issue, compiz running with no window borders/trace of a window manager?00:14
andreasWaltzingAlong: hm ok, hope I remember this when I need it the first time. Thank you00:14
WaltzingAlongandreas: :D00:15
gameforgeAnd I can't seem to rotate cube or anything00:15
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion00:15
Dr_willis_gameforge,  install emerald like that guide says00:15
gameforgeLike I said before, emerald is running00:15
prakWaltzingAlong: i'm doing just that as instructed in http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading, except i'm hitting some bugs00:15
Dr_willis_Then ya did somthing else wrong.00:15
praki mean error messages00:15
WaltzingAlongprak: such as?00:16
Linux_Galoregameforge: emerald isnt compiz its a manager00:16
Dr_willis_:) i would say restart the X serrver perhaps. and try reruning compiz --replace00:16
verveam i muted or something? or is it just no one is answering me at all?00:16
gameforgeWell, I started with beryl, then ditched that since compiz-fusion came out, but I've never been able to get it to work - I was hoping gutsy would fix it00:16
Dr_willis_well if you had beryl on there befor.. I got no idea what may be confiused.00:16
tysonswintelikey it wont work.. it is just stuck at " sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list"00:16
gameforgeI know - I run compiz, it tells me it's starting emerald, and my window borders disappear00:16
wertyif ihave ubuntu can i change to kubuntu and hpw?00:16
Dr_willis_I did a clean install of gutsy.00:16
WaltzingAlonggameforge: but kde4 should have beryl-like effects00:16
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: me too00:16
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.00:16
Linux_GaloreI wont be using compiz until about kde 4.100:17
WaltzingAlongwerty: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop           or through synaptic install kubuntu-desktop          then when you log in, select kde as the session instead of gnome00:17
Dr_willis_werty,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop00:17
intelikeytysonsw ctrl+C00:17
gameforgeI thought that, although at this point I'm working in a brand new account, and beryl is definitely uninstalled and removed00:17
prakWaltzingAlong: "unable to get exclusive lock" message00:17
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: i really hate that bug tho :[ grrrr/rawr/moo/meow00:17
fulat2khi folks, any idea why NetworkManager is using 100% of CPU resources on Gutsy?00:17
kaminixI won't be using Compiz until I get a computer with a better chipset :p00:17
tysonswintelikey sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list00:17
WaltzingAlong!aptfix | prak00:17
ubotuprak: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »00:17
gameforgeLike I said before, it works great under gnome, I have gnome-desktop installed for fun00:17
WaltzingAlonggameforge: sure it is meant for gnome as far as i know00:18
UnluckyMikeI'm having problems with the default rt61pci drivers that shipped with gutsy, I'm running the serialmonkey drivers now. They work fine as long as I use the rutilt config program that they made for the driver, but when I try to manually config with iwpriv the driver dies. dmesg isn't showing anything wrong. Any ideas?00:18
basculetomer_p: apt-get source core-utils00:18
Dr_willis_theres a very good reason that compiz is NOT isntalled on Kubuntu by default. :)00:18
gameforgeWaltzingAlong: So it's an emerald issue, I believe... what can I do?00:18
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: what does the fglrx tool do00:18
wertybut then will i be able to change between kde and gnome?00:18
WaltzingAlonggameforge: stumble through?00:18
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thts the name of the ati driver..  configures the ati stuff i would guess00:18
gameforgeDr_willis_: Yeah, I figured that much - but it's upsetting that emerald _used_ to work way back when with beryl00:18
Dr_willis_werty,  of course.00:18
WaltzingAlonggameforge: (i have no compbiz on here anyway, sorry, need to ask someone else)00:18
wertyhow? ;)00:19
Dr_willis_gameforge,  it works for me now. :)00:19
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: but it does nothing im in it right now :[00:19
gameforgeDr_willis_: are you using fglrx?00:19
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  no idea. i dont have a single ati machine any more. ive not messed with ati in over a year.00:19
tysonswintelikey sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list00:19
Dr_willis_gameforge,  nope. nvidia00:19
gameforgeDr_willis_: figures :(00:19
Dr_willis_I dont plan on buying ati any time again  soon.00:19
Oakboxyay compiz running ok so far BUT i seem to have 4 desktops showing on my pannel and only two that work :S00:20
intelikeytysonsw i never said that.   sorry for being vague.   i assumed you knew what the pipe symbol did.00:20
UnluckyMikeanyone know anything bout rt61 wireless?00:20
Dr_willis_next laptop i get WILL be nvidia also.. :)00:20
edenbeastmaybe in a few years when those open sourced drivers will be kicking ass :D00:20
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  set the # of desktops using the compiz settings manager tool.  not the kde tool00:20
gameforgeYep, I'm tired of ATI as well, but I have a laptop with an ATI card.... :(00:20
tysonswintelikey no.. sry.. I should have tol you <---- linux newbie00:20
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: i might get a gforce whats the best one?00:20
Dr_willis_gameforge,  my ati laptop cant even handle compiz.00:20
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  whatever your budget can afford.00:21
intelikeytysonsw press the control key and the c key togather and close the konsole before we break something00:21
awagcan anyone here help me with configuring strigi? i upgraded to 7.10 the other day, and strigi doesn't seem to be able to find files very well for me00:21
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: what is the best one?00:21
gameforgeDr_willis_: Well, I have a Radeon Mob. 9600, and it used to do Beryl great - also have a 9800 Pro in my desktop00:21
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  BEST IS  whatever your budget can afford.00:21
tysonswintelikey done00:21
gameforgeSo has anyone got emerald/compiz to work with ATI on KDE?00:21
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: they arent that expensive00:21
intelikey!repos | tysonsw please read this link.00:21
ubotutysonsw please read this link.: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu00:21
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  nvidia cards range from $60 to $600.......00:22
Dr_willis_i got a $300 8800gtsXXX in this box.00:22
AT0M1CB0MB3Rmy computer costs $4000 built it from scratch :]00:23
intelikeytysonsw you should probably use that page to setup the sources list.   read carefully, if you have questions, just ask.00:23
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  i would say you proberly got ripped off then.00:23
Dr_willis_but it all depends on your needs.00:23
WaltzingAlongAT0M1CB0MB3R: and income :D00:24
AT0M1CB0MB3Rit cost 40000:24
Dr_willis_I got a C64 that cost like $400 - 30+ yrs ago...00:24
AT0M1CB0MB3Rit was a typo00:24
Dr_willis_I got a decent $700 system the other day on sale.00:24
Dr_willis_then added a $300 card.00:24
tysonswintelikey the problem I have is how to istall ccsm on this system.. I have already read that page and.. that didn't make me smarter00:24
tomer_pguys, there ISNT a core-utils package00:25
Dr_willis_sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager00:25
stdintomer_p: "coreutils"00:25
Dr_willis_to install the ccsm tool.00:25
hydrogenwhat kind of adventures would I be in for if I tried to move my root partition from one drive to another?00:25
WaltzingAlong!partimage | hydrogen should be enjoyable otherwise dd00:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about partimage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi00:26
tomer_pok found it thatks00:26
Dr_willis_hydrogen,  you would need to   boot a live cd , fix the fstab. and grub/menu.lst and perhaps remake the   initrd file00:26
tysonswDr_willis_ that doesn't work.. I have already tried.. it can't download the file either00:26
hydrogenWaltzingAlong: I know how to move it.. I'm more wonder about what would need to be updated to make kubuntu actually work00:26
WaltzingAlongso perhaps the first step is rewording the task00:26
hydrogenDr_willis_: yea, thats mostly what I thought..00:26
hydrogenWaltzingAlong: no, I asked what adventures would moving it from one drive to another cause, not how to move it from one drive to another00:27
hydrogenWaltzingAlong: the first step in responding is reading the question :M)00:27
hydrogenwhere'd that M come from?00:27
tysonswintelikey the problem I have is how to istall ccsm on this system.. I have already read that page and.. that didn't make me smarter00:27
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  it the proper way to do it. Your repos may be messed up/slow, or you need to update/upgrade.00:27
joheyedenbeast: I am not very used to configuring wireless networks. I don't really know what is what. I only know my ESSID and some key (which I thaught was a WEP key) on the form xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx where all x's are hex numbers. Isn't that enough information to set up my network?00:28
hydrogenDr_willis_: what if I wanted to install grub on the other drive and use that as the boot loader? is there a pretty way to do that in *buntu or would I just run grub-install ?00:28
Dr_willis_hydrogen,  sudo grub-install /dev/whatever00:28
edenbeastjohey yes if you set it up as using dhcp, then it'll pull all the other info from your router or your isp00:28
hydrogenso theres no pretty way :)00:28
tysonswDr_willis_ the console states that the package compizconfig-settings-manager doesn't exist00:28
Dr_willis_hydrogen,  whats moving grub going to acomplish? :)00:28
* hydrogen looks around for a kubuntu cd00:28
WaltzingAlongjohey: at the console you could use sudo iwlist eth1 scanning                to see which key is expected00:29
AT0M1CB0MB3Rit has a amd64 athlon +3000  2.7ghz 1gb ram |2 harddrives 500gb / 200gb |ati 9550 256mb |6 ,12v fans|Plexiglass case|two dvd / cd burners| 6 red/white/blue leds|and 9 usb 2.0 ports00:29
WaltzingAlongtype of key*00:29
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  then you need to fix your repositories, and/or sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade00:29
basculehmmm, signal 11 on x ....00:29
Dr_willis_or theres a typo.. lets check00:29
Dr_willis_!find compiz00:29
ubotuFound: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 15 others)00:29
hydrogenDr_willis_: I don't want to mess around with grub and multiple hd's and windows overriding and all that mess.. so I'd rather put linux on my external hd and install grub onto that.. so fi I want to boot into linux I just boot off of my external hd, if I want to run windows I boot off the internal00:29
tomer_phow do i untar a tar.bz2 file?00:30
Dr_willis_ompizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager00:30
basculehey source guy, it's coreutils not core-utils00:30
hydrogentomer_p: tar -xjf file00:30
Dr_willis_!info compizconfig-settings-manage00:30
ubotuPackage compizconfig-settings-manage does not exist in gutsy00:30
tomer_pok thanks00:30
WaltzingAlongtomer_p: tar xfvj file.tar.bz200:30
joheyWaltzingAlong: Do you mean the line "Encryption key:on"?00:30
basculetomer_p: it's coreutils not core-utils00:30
Dr_willis_Hmm-- thers a typo going on somewhere..00:30
stdin!info compizconfig-settings-manager00:30
ubotucompizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB00:30
basculetomer_p: why do you want the source?00:30
Dr_willis_!info compizconfig-settings-manager00:30
stdinDr_willis_:  needed an r at the end :)00:30
WaltzingAlongjohey: no a bit further than that00:31
tomer_pi want to mess around with tail and have my own version00:31
tomer_pa version that beeps on every new line00:31
tysonswDr_willis_ thanks for the help with the update.. now it worked00:31
Dr_willis_tomer_p,  that would be about a 3 line perl script. :)00:31
basculetomer_p: cool00:31
tomer_ptail -fb file00:31
WaltzingAlongtomer_p: could just set konsole to beep on event00:31
tomer_pwill beep00:31
tomer_pnahh that would be too easy i want to do it in C00:32
AT0M1CB0MB3Rmy computer is so slow because of it00:32
tomer_pim a bored programmer and looking for challanges00:32
tomer_p(non c/c++ coding does not count)00:32
joheyWaltzingAlong: ESSID, Protocol, Mode, Channel, Frequency, Encryption key, Bit Rates, Quality and Extra are all that are there.00:33
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thers some nice low end nvidia cards :)00:33
WaltzingAlongtomer_p: squash some bugs: http://launchpad.net00:33
dvayanunext point... my ssh stoped working...00:33
Agent_bobtomer_p write a configuration tool with an ncurses and qt interfaces that works like knetwork-manager and firestarter  all in one.00:34
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,   they got a fanless card out now for like $50 ive been looking at for my quite-workstation-media-player pc00:34
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: im fed up with my ati card im just gonig to break it in half and00:34
dvayanustrace shows it hangs in read(12...00:34
snikkerwhen i go in "systemsettings" --> display, an error message say that's impossible to load the display module... can you help me?00:34
basculetomer_p: I have no idea where apt-get source downloads to ... :)00:34
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: poor water on it00:34
Dr_willis_bascule,  i  though it went to the current diretory00:34
Agent_bobtomer_p something that the network illiterate can use to configure their own server00:34
dvayanussh to a comp in local lan works, ssh from another computer to internet works00:34
WaltzingAlongjohey: ok maybe it is not in that list with wep though i thought it was00:35
basculeDr_willis_: it does00:35
dvayanuonly from my gutsy to internet doesnt00:35
basculeDr_willis_: thanks .. :)00:35
Agent_bobbascule /var/cache/apt/archives00:35
tomer_pwell i need to work my way up the food chain00:35
cobello5hi I am trying to set up guarddog on a ppp0 interface, but when it is activated it stops the connection dead00:35
WaltzingAlong!info guarddog00:35
ubotuguarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB00:35
tomer_pim very experienced programmer but do not know how to build for debian/ubuntu00:35
dvayanuoh, i correct myself no outgoing connections work anymore00:35
cobello5yes i have it already - it was part of my install00:35
Dr_willis_cobello5,  sounds like its working. :)00:35
cobello5its not on now00:36
basculetomer_p: there are loads of tuts out there, or join #ubuntu-dev00:36
cobello5its deactivated00:36
Dr_willis_you just need to enable the holes to allow what you want through.00:36
dvayanuconnect(12, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ssh-ZYCNm11189/agent.11189.seahorse"}00:36
joheyedenbeast: Okay, I'm using DHCP. In your file, there is a "wireless_key" with a long hex string. Is that related to the WEP?00:36
cobello5when I apply it the internet no longer works00:36
edenbeastjohey yes00:36
dvayanuall ssh clients hang shortly after passing this instruction00:36
tomer_pbascule: thanks will do00:36
zhlinwow, so many people here00:36
cobello5when Ive used guardog before internet browsing is already 'opened'00:36
basculehi zhlin00:37
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: what is better GeForce 7800 GS or GeForce 7600 GT00:37
cobello5and in the protocols section http is ticked00:37
zhlinhi bascule00:37
stdinwtf: please change your nick00:37
joheyedenbeast: I just have this six octets. Can I use that to generate a key in a valid format?00:37
basculeAT0M1CB0MB3R: google tomsharware VGA charts00:37
basculeAT0M1CB0MB3R: tomshardware rather sorry00:37
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zhlinwhere do you guys come from00:38
cobello5I just bought a really good ati card and the drivers are not really very good00:38
cobello5shouldve bought nvidia00:38
dvayanuwhat is that seahorse btw? every process seems to open it00:38
basculezhlin: all sorts of places, I'm UK00:38
Agent_bobzhlin where are they going may be a better Q00:38
edenbeastjohey you mean like "6b5e45453"00:38
cobello5anyway - anyone know why guarddog might be stopping my ppp0 ?00:38
zhlinoh, same yes, cobello5, linux ati driver sucks00:38
cobello5the correct protocols are 'open'00:38
cobello5zhlin: i get an intermittent flickering00:39
joheyedenbeast: 00-01-38-a0-ac-9f00:39
cobello5zhlin: but 3d is working just fine - so cant complain really00:39
zhlinthere's a good tutorial telling you how to do this00:39
cobello5how to do what?00:40
edenbeastjohey yes that's your key but it's a small one, you use only 64 bit encryption? :-)00:40
zhlin3d is fine? then what's your problem?00:40
Agent_bob<cobello5> zhlin: i get an intermittent flickering00:40
joheyedenbeast: It's providen by my ISP. :)00:40
cobello5zhlin: not related to video at all00:40
zhlinok, show me the link please00:40
cobello5zhlin: that was just conversation00:40
cobello5i need help with guarddog, please00:41
edenbeastjohey that's sort of weird, maybe that's your nics' mac address? ;-)00:41
zhlinno exp about this00:41
cobello5firestarter hangs when it starts up, so I cant use that00:41
edenbeastjohey but try it, if it doesn't work you'll know00:41
smaxat the kubuntu login screen.  aparently there is an option for konsole log in  via Alt-N.00:41
smaxbut it doesent work00:41
wertyhow to set up dc++ or where can i find a tutorial?00:41
zhlinanybody got exp about fvwm?00:41
smaxisn't that false adversizement?00:41
Dr_willissmax,  you want your money back?00:42
smaxthe button to the left of the login prompt.  there is an option of Konsole login.00:42
Agent_bob(: smax00:42
smaxDr_willis.  im trying to run nvidia-xconfig but cant get to a console with my new card inserted.00:42
smaxwith my new-card inserted i get a black screen when kde is invoked00:43
smaxbut i can see the output of dmesg00:43
WaltzingAlongsmax: nvidia-config  ?00:43
magoois the synoptics working with kubuntu today00:43
Agent_bobsmax have you tried ctrl+alt+f#  # being 1-600:43
WaltzingAlongmagoo: kubuntu has a package manager but yes you could use synaptics00:43
ceehow can i start X programs as another user? in the "old days" i just did export DISPLAY=localhost:1 but that dosent work anymore..00:43
smaxit's ctrl-alt-F2 and that only works when the desktop is loaded00:43
zhlini suppose there's no girls here, right00:43
WaltzingAlonghard to tell00:43
smaxAgent_bob: how can i get to the desktop from a black screen in the first place?00:44
nosrednaekimyup... there is00:44
smaxobviously Alt-N doesent work.00:44
Dr_willis_cee,  check out the 'sux' command - its handy for that exact job.00:44
joheyedenbeast: When running ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1 it should use my new settings, right?00:44
nosrednaekimnot me ;)00:44
tysonswwere can I find the buttons to activate compiz?00:44
smaxwhat else is there to do ?00:44
Dr_willis_!info sux00:44
ubotusux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB00:44
nosrednaekimDr_willis_: that sux.... er rocks!!00:44
stdincee: as your user "xhost +LOCAL:" and as the other user "DISPLAY=:0 xapplication" (if :0 is your display)00:44
Agent_bobsmax which are you trying to get to   a console login   or the kde session ?00:44
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  button? Normally you run 'compiz --replace'00:44
Agent_bobmake up your mind.00:44
smaxAgent_bob: to a konsole session.00:44
tysonswDr_willis_ yes I know.. but how do you  zoom out?00:45
edenbeastjohey eth1 is the name given to an internal network card I don't think that'll be your wireless card, check out its name with iwconfig00:45
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smaxhow do i boot into a console session with out kde invoking ?00:45
WaltzingAlongDr_willis_: unless the icon was installed?00:45
werty!info dc++00:45
ubotuPackage dc++ does not exist in gutsy00:45
joheyedenbeast: eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"B2_private_9F"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4311"00:45
Agent_bobsmax add single to the kernel line in grub00:45
Dr_willis_tysonsw,   i always have to use the ccsm tool to check what keybindings do what...00:45
cobello5anyone with experience using guarddog and a dial up interface?00:45
edenbeastjohey great then eth1 is your card :-)00:45
Dr_willis_WaltzingAlong,  ive seen no icon. :)  you could make one easially enough00:45
zhlintry crtl+alt+f1 in your kdm, Agent_bob00:45
smaxgreat now i have to learn grub.00:46
Dr_willis_smax,  alt-ctrl-f1, disable the kdm service00:46
smaxAgent_bob: can you just tell me the path this file resides?00:46
Dr_willis_smax,  depending on what you are needing to do. :)00:46
smaxf1 ehh?00:46
smaxDr_willis_: can this work from the login screen?00:46
Dr_willis_smax,  alt-ctrl-f1 through f6 gets to the consoles.00:46
Agent_bobzhlin i don't use kdm   and i am running dapper.   and yes alt+ctrl+f# works in kdm in dapper.00:46
Dr_willis_smax,  try it and see.00:46
smaxok i'll just go down the list. F1..F600:46
Dr_willis_smax,  it works on  most every disrto/livecd/installers even. :)00:47
tysonswDr_willis_ what is a super button?00:47
smaxwell usually it's F2.00:47
smaxwhich didnt work.00:47
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  thats the Windows Key :)00:47
smaxi'll try the other 500:47
cobello5how about suggesting other iptables-centric channels? (except #iptables of course)00:47
Dr_willis_smax,  usually? should be one on f1 through F6, F7 gets you back to X.00:47
octo_anyone here know if  mdraid supports independent reads to different disks in the array, so i can have my sata raid 1 be faster than my crappy IDE drive?00:47
magoooh yes that package manager is what i was talking about it had some problems on my machine today00:48
BrightEyes`are there any tools for configuring the grub boot loader?00:48
cobello5BrightEyes`: grub is easy to configure00:48
Dr_willis_Doh! i had my windows key disabled.. :) heh - thats why it wasent working00:48
WaltzingAlongBrightEyes`: check the online manual00:49
Agent_bobcobello5 nano ?00:49
cobello5just look in /boot/grub/menu.lst00:49
edenbeastBrightEyes`: grub00:49
Dr_willis_grub is one of those things thats WELL worth learning  about.00:49
AT0M1CB0MB3Rwell looks like im getting a new nvidia card :]00:49
Dr_willis_the grub homepage has very good docs/guide/manual00:49
whysohi! i just installed gutsy, but aptitude (and apt get) dont list any packages (even firefox :( )00:49
edenbeastBrightEyes`: the load process is defined in menu.lst like cobello5 said00:49
Agent_bobdr_willis worth learning, or not worth using.  i'd say00:49
Agent_bobpick your take.00:50
edenbeastI find the hdx,x notation very annoying :-/00:50
cobello5BrightEyes`: are you having trouble working out how to configure menu.lst00:50
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  The windows key + mouse wheel zoome in/out for me.00:50
AndyMan1is it possible (and easy) to encrypt /home on a separate partition when installing kubuntu gutsy?00:50
Dr_willis_edenbeast,  come up with a better notation then that works in all the os's that grub can use. :)00:50
flicki just installed kde-core on ubuntu, how do i enable compiz on kubuntu?00:51
cobello5nyone with experience using guarddog and a dial up interface?00:51
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion00:51
WaltzingAlongcobello5: ask google about that00:51
Dr_willis_We need to put that in the topic. :)00:51
flickcompiz or not, kde seems much better!00:51
Dr_willis_save ware on the bot.00:51
Agent_bobdr_willis  how about the common linux notation00:51
cobello5WaltzingAlong: been googling for weeks to find the problem00:51
tysonswDr_willis_ what menu in ccsm do I go to to find the command  so I can go from fram to cube?00:51
Dr_willis_Agent_bob,  grub is NOT just for linux.. thats the point.00:52
tysonswDr_willis_ frame*00:52
cobello5WaltzingAlong: im a bit of a linux cripple too, i need help00:52
Dr_willis_Agent_bob,  grub is useavble in   bsd that uses a different notation, its even useable by dos..00:52
Dr_willis_Agent_bob,  grub devs used that notation to be as concise as they can be.00:52
flickDr_willis, thanks, were it not for you i wouldn't have tried KDE :)00:52
AT0M1CB0MB3Ri wish this dock worked for linux http://rocketdock.com/00:52
WaltzingAlongcobello5: may i ask (and be informed) why you would like to run the firewall anyway? http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/00:53
nosrednaekimhey sub[t]rnl00:53
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  Hmm..  I never use the cube.  it should be right there on the settings. check cube. enabel 4 desktops on the  general tab also.00:53
* Agent_bob wonders how grub is usable in *os* or by *os* for that matter....00:53
tysonswDr_willis_ what menu in ccsm do I go to to find the command  so I can go from frame to cube?00:53
Dr_willis_tysonsw,  explore cssm - is the best thing to do.00:53
nosrednaekimtysonsw: you have to enable the desktop cube00:53
Agent_bobmethinks he meant cant be used to boot *os*00:54
Dr_willis_the big icon that says 'cube' makes sence to me. :)00:54
sub[t]rnlcall me crazy00:54
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flickis ktorrent the choice for torrent client on kde? i've been using deluge on gnome.00:54
NickPrestanalioth: you there?00:54
NickPrestaflick: yep. KTorrent is awesome.00:54
[ifr0g]flick, yes it is.00:55
cobello5WaltzingAlong: arent you best off with a firewall? I use netbanking and other sensitive stuff00:55
cobello5WaltzingAlong: (sorry for the delay - children to look after)00:55
tysonswnosrednaekim hey again.. it is enabled.. it says that I have to press ctrl-alt-down.. but it won't work00:55
edenbeastDr_willis yet it does distinguish between slices and partitions00:55
nosrednaekimtysonsw: ctrl+alt +right and left arrows00:56
AT0M1CB0MB3Ri wish this dock worked for linux http://rocketdock.com/00:56
cobello5i have used guarddog before on a adsl style connection with no trouble, it makes iptables quite easy to configure00:56
WaltzingAlongcobello5: sure it can be a nice layer of protection. just that kubuntu ships with 0 open ports by default. ok so i would suggest pacing yourself through the guide; at one of the screens things seemed a bit backward to me so i was always configured the firewall in the wrong direction00:56
tysonswnosrednaekim to activate??00:56
cobello5i think the problem stems from the kind of internet I have00:56
flickbye bye, deluge!00:56
edenbeastDr_willis the main annoyance with the numbering scheme is having to be very sure which gets counted first and with multiple hds (and with pata, sata and scsi mixed that's a royal pain) it's not always easy. :-)00:56
nosrednaekimtysonsw: just try it00:56
Dr_willis_ya know. the Desktop CUBE stuff.. really looks like Poo..on 2+ monitors. :)00:56
WaltzingAlong!info kooldock | AT0M1CB0MB3R not close enough?00:57
nosrednaekimbye all!00:57
cobello5ok, i will look at the guide00:57
ubotuat0m1cb0mb3r not close enough?: kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 523 kB, installed size 980 kB00:57
tysonswnosrednaekim it won't work00:57
Dr_willis_edenbeast,  yep. its a complex task. with no easy answer.. Gotten bitten by the "starts at 0" thing also.00:57
tysonswDr_willis_ it wont work T.T00:57
Agent_bobtysonsw does your ctrl and alt keys work propperly?    i recently found a system that i had to use the "magic sysRQ" combo to get out of normal xorg.   might be worth testing  ctrl+alt+f1 alt+f7  just to make sure.00:57
Dr_willis_tysonsw,   how ... vague. :)00:57
Oakboxis there any reason why i cant select the "raise on click" checkbox in compiz?00:57
cobello5before I do though - let me explain my internet, it is a wireless modem that connects to broadband internet like a cell phone00:57
AT0M1CB0MB3RWaltzingAlong: but it acts up on me00:58
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  check that howto - in the troubleshooting part at the end00:58
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  i added that info just today. :)00:58
cobello5but the modem is not automatically recognised by kubuntu and the ppp0 interface never appears in network manager00:58
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion00:58
tysonswAgent_bob yes they work00:58
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  Under Kubuntu, some settings in the Compiz Settings Manager may not be selectable unless you enable the "Flat-File Configuration Backend" Under the CCSM tool -> Preferances -> (Backend drop down menu)00:58
OakboxDr_willis_: ta00:58
cobello5although it does show in ifconfic (of course)00:59
joheyedenbeast and WaltzingAlong: When running sudo iwlist keys, I get one line that says "[1]: 0001-38A0-AC9F-0000-0000-0000-00 (104 bits)". I've tried to use that key (with some variations, like wasting the dashes) as wireless-key, but it won't work. How should I configure it?00:59
Max-PHi, I have a BIG problem with my video driver00:59
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Dr_willis_Oakbox,  guess i should put that info under the 'configure' heading? :)00:59
edenbeastjohey that's a strange key :-/00:59
Max-PCan someone help me?00:59
edenbeastjohey are you able to setup a new key in your router as well?01:00
joheyedenbeast: No, this is hard coded into my modem. It's not even a router.01:00
OakboxDr_willis_: ta muchly you have been a great help :) it would probably be better there yep.01:00
smaxctrl-alt F1 doesent work with the nvidia card inserted.01:00
edenbeastjohey oh I see :-/01:00
smaxcan someone just tell me the line of  grub to provide an option for console login?01:00
=== nickpresta is now known as NickPresta
smaxand the path to the grub config file.01:01
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  but is it a bug.. that might get fixed :) or not.. hard to justify heh..01:01
Max-PDo someone know how to RESET the Video driver? It was working correctly until I tried to plug my TV on my laptop01:01
WaltzingAlongsmax: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?01:01
flickwhere is the configuration for config? the site says "And for Kubuntu: KMenu > Settings > CompizConfig Settings Manager" but there is no CompizConfig in Settings (i have installed compiz-kde)01:01
OakboxDr_willis_: true01:01
WaltzingAlongsmax: and when starting grub, press esc to get the menu then the onscreen should tell you how to get a prompt (c i think it is)01:01
Dr_willis_flick,  i just run ccsm from a terminal01:01
Dr_willis_flick,  i see an 'advanced dekstop effects settings' thats it. :)01:02
Oakboxflick: its called "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings" on my comp...01:02
Dr_willis_dont ask me WHY theres so many names for it.01:02
Dr_willis_or who even came up with that one. :)01:03
edenbeastanybody know what/where I need to change anything so I can drag my windows from 1 desktop to the other?01:03
cobello5OK it was simple in the end01:03
cobello5dns was blocked by default - weird01:03
LinusxHey guys, I'll admit not fishing for myself... but somebody here ought to know off top of their head.  Will feisty run on an old 350 mhz slot loader iMac? (384 megs RAM)01:03
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WaltzingAlongedenbeast: kmenu/system settings/window behavior/advanced/ active desktop borders01:04
edenbeastthat's a G4 right?01:04
Dr_willis_Linusx,  ive had issues with those.. but it Should work.01:04
Linusxno, its a G301:05
Dr_willis_Linusx,  not tried it in over a year however.01:05
Dr_willis_Linusx,  you may want to use the xubuntu variant.01:05
Linusxwhat issues Doc?01:05
edenbeastWaltzingAlong: yes, that's kind of the thing: I don't have activeborder :-/01:06
Dr_willis_Linusx,  console was shifted over about 4 characters.. never did find a fix for that.01:06
Dr_willis_And for Kubuntu: KMenu > Settings > CompizConfig Settings Manager or KMenu > Settings > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings01:06
Dr_willis_There we go.. BOTH entrys are in the wiki page now01:06
WaltzingAlongedenbeast: but you can enable it there. i have it enabled only when i am moving the windows01:06
edenbeastWaltzingAlong: or you mean that "only when moving setting" ? :-)01:06
flickDr_willis, Oakbox where is advanced desktop effect settings in the K-Menu?01:06
edenbeastk great thx01:06
Dr_willis_flick,  at the top of the settings menu01:07
Dr_willis_flick,  if you just isntalled the packages - the menus may not be updated yet01:07
Dr_willis_flick,  use alt-f2 and run ccsm :)01:07
WaltzingAlongedenbeast: welcome01:07
flickDr_willis, i see, thanks i ran ccsm from Konsole :)01:07
Dr_willis_and yes.. ccsm is one of the WORSE names i can think of for a new tool to use...01:08
edenbeastit has one of the worst UIs ever too01:08
Dr_willis_guess they dident want 'compiz-config' or compiz-setting-manager01:08
WaltzingAlongflick: kbuildsycoca to build the menus now01:08
Dr_willis_edenbeast,  yep.. its a complex interface..01:08
flickone more thing, in ubuntu (gnome) the xchat window would hilight if someone msged me... but that's not happening in kubuntu - how can i turn it on?01:08
edenbeastjust plain ugly :P01:08
fignew_Linusx: I run Debian with KDE on my 233mhz iMac01:08
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ifr0g]: whats your channel again01:08
Dr_willis_ive seen MUCH worse :)01:08
edenbeastit's something you'd think RMS designed ;-)01:09
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ifr0g]: pm me it01:09
Dr_willis_They could be using some sort of Tree view with +'s all over01:09
LinusxBTW, Where can the system info be found?  (similar to Apple System Profiler)01:09
basculeedenbeast: I think it's OK01:09
Dr_willis_flick,  it does it here for me under kde/xchat01:09
WaltzingAlongLinusx: i have kubuntu 7.04 on an amd k6-3 400mhz w/ about 192mb ram01:09
Oakboxwhen using compiz can i still use things like kde appearance system settings or does it all have to be done through emerald or somthing similar?01:09
basculeWaltzingAlong: are you serious?01:09
WaltzingAlongbascule: sure01:10
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  it depends.. :)01:10
fignew_Linusx: depends on what type of system info you want01:10
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  you are using Emerald themes - not kde themes for the window borders01:10
basculeWaltzingAlong: 192mb, thats gotta be nasty01:10
WaltzingAlongbascule: works rather well actually. of course i turned off the sound noticifications and gui effects01:10
OakboxDr_willis_: yes im am01:10
BluesKajwith fluxbox such a setup would prolly run even faster WaltzingAlong01:10
basculeyeah, but this thing uses >200 on a clean boot with nothing going01:10
WaltzingAlongbascule: though the computer i am on now has more than that. 16mb video card so it works fine enough01:10
WaltzingAlongBluesKaj: sure and it does01:11
Linusxfignew: Looking for RAM, general MISC info like hard drive space use etc.01:11
flickDr_willis, are you using xchat or a special version for kde?01:11
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  thats part of the 'rough spots' of the whole compiz+kde   integeration.01:11
Dr_willis_flick,  nope Just apt-get install xchat01:11
BluesKajI ran dapper on 233 mhz MMX for a while , worked ok01:11
Dr_willis_flick,  check your xchat settings perhaps.01:11
BluesKaj128 Ram01:11
Dr_willis_I ran dapper on a Pent 1 100,  64mb laptop! :)01:11
Dr_willis_took like 3 hrs to install... 1x cdrom01:12
OakboxDr_willis_: sorry im sure you get board of the constant questions :) hopefully one day i will be able to help answer some questions as well.  I find that some of the KDE stuff crashes if i use it...01:12
LinusxBluesKaj:  I'd like to confirm somebody ran it on an old AIO iMac if possible before giving it a shot.  Thanks01:12
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  compiz is very much a work in progess.. thats why kubuntu dident install it by default.01:12
Dr_willis_Oakbox,  you gotta decide.. eye candy..or stability.. :)01:12
WaltzingAlongwith several computers on a lan behind a router/gateway i quickly realized the benefit of apt-cacher and the like01:13
OakboxDr_willis_: totaly understand. :)01:13
Dr_willis_WaltzingAlong,  thats still on my todo list! :)01:13
Max-PCan someone help me with my VIDEO problem??? Need to reset video to defaults01:13
cobello5can i copy a module from one computer to another, or does it need to be compiled in?01:13
flickDr_willis, i'm using xchat... and just checked the settings, it is alright as far as i can tell - has blink traybar icon on message01:13
basculesame kernel same compiler you will be ok cobello501:13
basculeother wise rebuild time01:13
cobello5bascule: if kernel version is different?01:14
WaltzingAlongDr_willis_: :D and i send apt-cacher through squid anyway! though i look forward to apt-torrent or whatever it will be called if such a thing materializes for 8.0401:14
edenbeastcobello if it's a minor version then it should probably work01:14
basculeedenbeast: it can be forced but it will compplain01:14
cobello5i have kubuntu here and sees my zydas chipset usb wireless adapter, ubuntu in other room doesnt run the same adapter01:14
fignew_Linusx: theres various utilities that you can run from the command line... "free" for memory usage "df -h" for HD usage... etc... there's also graphical apps.01:15
cobello5i installed an older kernel on my kubuntu tho01:15
seriekrockis it possible to find drivers for a lexmark x8350?01:16
cobello5how do i add the module to the other computer if it doesnt have internet?01:16
Dr_willis_seriekrock,  check the cups.org site to see how supported that printer is.01:16
cobello5the modules are kernel specific I guess?01:16
Linusxfignew:  Not familiar with command line yet.  (Still a noob) Would be great to either get used to commandline or find a gui app.01:17
tekstacyadept only opens in read-only mode, says another process is using the database. But I can't find that process. Any ideas?01:17
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »01:18
tekstacyDr_willis_, Thanks!01:18
WaltzingAlongcobello5: usb stick? network? cdrw? floppy? hd transfer?01:19
SeanTaterI have one package I don't want upgraded (ffmpeg), will that affect whether or not adept will upgrade my distro?01:19
cobello5WaltzingAlong: lol - I get that bit but what do I take over there, a deb file from somewhere?01:20
cobello5does it have to be for the exact kernel version01:20
WaltzingAlongcobello5: what would you be installing? nvidia or such?01:20
cobello5no, the module for the zydas wireless device I use here01:21
edenbeastSeanTater: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html (section 3.10)01:21
cobello5do I just look for a tarball of the device module?01:21
AT0M1CB0MB3Rhow do i install kxdocker01:21
Dr_willis_!info kxdocker01:21
ubotuPackage kxdocker does not exist in gutsy01:21
cobello5actually that wouldnt work01:22
tomer_panyone recommend a good01:22
cobello5it would have to be a deb01:22
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  use the soruce if its not in the repos. or see if their homepage has a deb for gutsy01:22
tomer_pwysywig html editor for kubinutu01:22
cobello5since the comp doesnt have devs files01:22
Dr_willis_!find docker01:22
ubotuFound: docker, kdocker01:22
flickhi, when i restarted the comp, i see a black window called 'Adept Notifier' what is that?01:22
basculetomer_p: quanta -> kdewebdev01:22
Max-PHowcan I reset the video settings to defaults01:22
Dr_willis_Max-P,  you mean your X display settings?01:22
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:23
Max-PI will try01:24
edenbeastam I the only one that needs to restart kd when adding a panel or adding buttons to a panel and such?01:24
tomer_pok i installed kdewebdev01:26
tomer_phow to run it?01:26
tomer_pkdewebdev on command line doesnt work01:26
SeanTateredenbeast: Thank you, and I might use that, but that's not precisely the issue. Adept is not giving me any dialog telling me I can upgrade after I press "Fetch Updates".01:27
edenbeastSeanTater: oh :-/  try the cli? "sudo apt-get upgrade"01:28
Chousukesudo aptitude dist-upgrade01:28
flickis there a task manager?01:28
joejoe1234Installed kubuntu (gutsy) but the default file manager changed to dolphin. I like very much kfmclient (konqueror) but cannot figure out where to change the default back to kfmclient. Some hints?01:28
WaltzingAlongctrl+esc flick or ksysguard01:29
WaltzingAlongjoejoe1234: sure thing!01:29
flickWaltzingAlong, thanks!01:29
WaltzingAlongjoejoe1234: same here but for konqueror in place of dolphin http://sathyasays.com/?p=2301:29
SeanTateredenbeast: Okay --  I don't I just figured adept would change the repos and stuff for me, especially seeing that I did not find any upgrade notes anywhere else. So I just need to change every instance of "feisty" to "gutsy" right?01:29
bobesponjaI'm trying to use my SIP phone but I get a message saying that port 5060 is already in use, is there a way to free that port or to know what application is using it?01:29
edenbeastSeanTater: yes that would work :-)01:29
SeanTateredenbeast: thanks01:29
tomer_pbascule: apt-get install kdewebdev gave me nothing i can run01:30
tomer_ponly some gz files that do not open01:31
WaltzingAlongbobesponja: yes but i cannot recall it just now. man netstat may tell you01:31
tomer_pcan the Konversation window be made to beep when a message inteded to you comes in?01:31
joejoe1234WaltzingAlong: Ok. Tks. One last question... there is some way for dolphin to work with tabs (each one at a different folder)?01:31
basculetomer_p: just quanta01:32
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ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion01:32
dvayanuhow can i find out why ssh (client) hangs01:32
WaltzingAlongjoejoe1234: as far as i know no01:32
tomer_pok found the beep thing never mind01:32
joejoe1234WaltzingAlong: tks very much!01:33
tomer_ptomer_p: test01:33
edenbeastdvayanu: add -vvv  :-)01:33
bobesponjaWaltzingAlong: netstat -anp |grep 506001:33
tomer_ptomer_p: test01:33
flickeven though i see 4 desktops, i can only switch to 2 of them, and all 4 show the tooltip 'Desktop 1'01:33
dvayanudebug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received01:34
dvayanuis last01:34
edenbeastflick are you running compiz?01:34
flickedenbeast, yeah01:34
edenbeastflick compiz doesn't use more than 1 desktop but it uses virtual workspaces, adjust vertical workspaces or something :-)01:35
flickalso compiz switcher shows a lot many blank window icons01:35
edenbeastflick vertical or horizontal but I thought it was vertical (look for it in the ccsm application)01:35
edenbeastflick and set your desktops bck to 101:36
dvayanuedenbeast: interesting, if i login from another computer to mine, from this shell i can ssh whereever i want to01:37
basculeis there away of *permanently* disabling that awful bell sound in konsole ...01:37
joheyedenbeast: Now I think I have managed to set the key. However, when running iwconfig, I get "Access Point: Invalid". Do you know how to solve this?01:37
edenbeastsettings/configure notifications01:37
tekteensettings > bell > none01:38
basculeah there01:38
tekteensettings > save as default01:38
basculetekteen: no, open a new tab, right back annoying the life out of me ...01:38
tekteensave as default01:38
basculetekteen: had to restart it01:38
basculethat was why01:38
basculebetter now01:39
robert__I have a keyboard mapping question too.01:39
edenbeastjohey if you copied my lines ad verbatim then you will see the ap line at the bottom, that specifies an accesspoint, obviously you don't have my accesspoint here :-) so omit that line01:39
joheyedenbeast: A-ha! AP is access point. Smart. :=)01:40
edenbeastjohey: wireless_ap 00:0F:3D:86:E2:4C  <-- make sure it's not there or that your own ap's mac is filled in01:40
edenbeastjohey so just erase that line or comment it out by preceding it with a #01:40
UnluckyMikedoes kubuntu treat /etc/network/interfaces the same as ubuntu does?01:42
joheyedenbeast: Actually, I did not put in that line, so it was omited. However, I do have the mac address of my access point. When putting it in, it still says invalid.01:42
edenbeastjohey: then I don't immediately know either, sorry :-/01:42
joheyedenbeast: Okay. Might be a driver problem then. :/ Thanks alot for your support, anyway!01:43
edenbeastjohey is the essid set correctly?01:43
flicktitlebars for all the windows have disappeared01:44
flickprobably as a result of my initiating scale (compiz, default shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+Up i think)01:44
flickhow do i disable compiz?01:45
joheyedenbeast: Yes, it looks like that.01:45
seriekrockflick, you have to install emerald01:45
flicki have emerald already installed01:46
dvayanuedenbeast: manually removing the ssh-seahorse directory from tmp solved the issue01:46
seriekrockflick:  what do you have installed?01:46
edenbeastflick kwin --replace && killall kicker && pause 5 & kicker &   should do the trick I believe01:48
Agent_bobhmmm mouse problem.  no worky with 2.4 kernel.   should work though, it's standard ps/2 two button.01:48
tomer_pyo the upgrade wizard isnt coming up on adept01:48
flicki followed the link for installing compiz on kubuntu in the ubuntu site, i have all the packages that it asked me to install01:48
wikipediai use ubuntu01:49
tomer_pnever mind found it01:49
Agent_bobwikipedia you use ubuntu ?01:49
flickedenbeast, thanks...01:49
edenbeastflick if you can't summon up a consle, drop to a tty and precede it with DISPLAY=":0.0"01:50
flickedenbeast, i did it on Alt+F201:50
tomer_pok its updating to 7.1001:51
joheyedenbeast: Finally! :D Strange thing this one. iwlist scan helped me to find out that the mac address I got from my ISP is wrong. With the mac address output of iwlist, it works! :D01:51
edenbeastflick ok great, does it work? :-)01:51
tomer_pthisd better work smoothly or im switching back to windoz xp01:51
edenbeastjohey great :D01:51
flickyeah works great! now the xchat blinks the taskbar too01:51
Agent_bobtomer_p sorry to hear that.01:51
edenbeastjohey mac addresses can be changed01:51
flickpity though, i wanted to use compiz... guess i have to do without the eye-candy01:51
tomer_pjust kidding01:52
tomer_pso will 7.10 give me a 3d desktop01:52
tomer_pwith those nice kubes?01:52
joheyedenbeast: That might be what has happened.01:52
wikipediai've realized that actually i'm good with people01:52
wikipediapeople are attracted to me01:52
wikipediai've realized that i'm actually good with people.01:52
wikipediathat's good01:53
edenbeast^^ ice-cream cone maybe? ;-)01:53
flickthe problems i am facing with compiz could be because i used gnome before switching to kde01:53
seriekrockwikipedia: uuh?01:54
edenbeastflick did you get compiz-kde?01:54
AT0M1CB0MB3Rhow come my computer is running so slow01:54
flickedenbeast, yeah01:54
tomer_pok all im starting the upgrade to 7.10 so i have to go now. i know you will miss me but i hope ill be back soon after the upgrade is done01:54
AT0M1CB0MB3Rlinux is supposed to be fast right?01:54
edenbeastflick do sudo apt-get --purge remove compiz* and then apt-get install it again maybe?01:54
wikipediapeople should be saved from the misery of the burden of life created by few in power01:55
wikipediaus, common people, are changed through time from good to bad, because of pressures of life01:55
wikipediawe are forced to use fake common sense and follow fake customs01:55
seriekrockAT0M1CB0MB3R: bad computer? :-P01:55
edenbeastAT0M1CB0MB3R: it sure is, it's a version 2.6 already, while windows has only just gained XP by discovering new vistas ;-)01:55
Agent_bobwe are off topic too01:55
flickedenbeast, will try that01:55
edenbeastI wonder if that wikipedia responds to !commands01:56
AT0M1CB0MB3Rseriekrock: not bad computer01:56
wikipediaoften i sense people are decent, yet they are prohibited from being good01:56
Agent_boblol edenbeast01:56
AT0M1CB0MB3Redenbeast: i meant my computer is running slow and i have no idea why01:56
seriekrockAT0M1CB0MB3R: reinstall?01:56
edenbeastAT0M1CB0MB3R: it could be that that throttle program is on, the one that throttles back your computer to make your fan go more silent01:57
wikipediaprohibited by those few in power01:57
edenbeastforgot the name :-/01:57
Agent_bobwikipedia enough.   they wont let me preach in here so you don't get too either.01:57
edenbeastAT0M1CB0MB3R: do sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop and see if that helps :-)01:57
wikipediabecause from them emanates rules of life that really should not be followed01:58
flickremoved and purged compiz, compiz-kde, then added compiz-kde back, finally ran compiz --replace01:58
flickno problems so far!01:58
edenbeastflick don't forget emerald01:58
wikipediainnoncence of babes are lost forever and real common sense is lost.01:58
flickedenbeast, didn't purge it01:58
AT0M1CB0MB3Redenbeast: what is powernowd01:58
Agent_bob!offtopic > wikipedia01:58
Agent_bob!offtopic > wikipedia01:58
Agent_bob!offtopic > wikipedia01:58
Agent_bob!offtopic > wikipedia01:58
wikipediai will help others in need and break the chain of command.01:59
edenbeastAT0M1CB0MB3R: it's something that throttles back your CPU so it produces less heat == less fan action needed, thus less sound, ubuntu has it on by default I believe01:59
wikipediai will bring back decency back into the world. amen.01:59
AT0M1CB0MB3R!offtopic | wikipedia01:59
ubotuwikipedia: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!01:59
DaSkreechAgent_bob: Don't spam him01:59
edenbeastI'm pretty sure wikipedia is a bot01:59
DaSkreechedenbeast: Sadly no02:00
AT0M1CB0MB3Redenbeast: so why disable it it sounds good02:00
Agent_bobDaSkreech don't spam him ?  heh.02:00
DaSkreechAgent_bob: try !ops02:00
wikipediabecause from them emanates rules of life that really should not be followed02:00
Agent_bobDaSkreech you try it.02:00
edenbeastoh so he'll actually notice when you do a /msg spam bomb? :P02:00
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!02:00
wikipediaedenbeast, i am human while you are not.02:01
edenbeastit is true, I cometh from the 6th circle. :P02:02
stdinDaSkreech: what's going on?02:02
DaSkreechA misunderstanding02:02
CPrgmSwR2Is there a way to get rid of the pckage manager constantly asking me to upgrade to gutsy?02:02
DaSkreechwikipedia was spamming gospel into the channel02:03
DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: Not currentyl02:03
johey_In Gutsy, kopete chrashes when I'm connecting to MSN. Is that a known one, or is it just me?02:03
CPrgmSwR2DaSkreech: is this a bug?02:03
DaSkreechstdin: I was showing someone how to call for ops and ljl thought I was tricking them and removed me02:03
edenbeast1 app I like a lot better than the kde version is the terminal services client that the regular ubuntu has, it's way better in terms of options02:03
DaSkreech the offender has been warned and removed so it's good now02:03
edenbeastunless I missed it I don't think the kde version allows you to latch on to the console for instance :-/02:04
stdinDaSkreech: the person you were showing already knows about it (he's intelikeys alter-ego)02:04
flickedenbeast, thanks02:05
AT0M1CB0MB3Redenbeast: thanks my computer is running way better02:05
NickPresta!find pidgin > NickPresta02:05
wikipediai want to help my family02:05
DaSkreechstdin: Well he was spamming02:05
stdinjohey_: 32 or 64bit ?02:05
LjLDaSkreech: sorry, i've been too impulsive. !ops abuse gets on my nerves - i apologize02:05
johey_stdin: 64.02:05
edenbeastAT0M1CB0MB3R: well it basically cuts your processing power in half :-)02:05
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AT0M1CB0MB3Redenbeast: i dont care about that02:06
DaSkreechLjL: I understand I can imagine being on the other end02:06
stdin_i want to help my family02:06
stdinDaSkreech: I suspect it was probably a bug in his client (has happened before)02:06
AT0M1CB0MB3Rstdin_: who cares?02:06
stdinjohey_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb < install that to fix02:06
flickkonqueror or firefox?02:07
AT0M1CB0MB3RLjL: all he has to do is reset his modem02:07
LjLAT0M1CB0MB3R: any better suggestion?02:07
DaSkreechstdin: That prays for our salvation? :)02:07
AT0M1CB0MB3RLjL: as long as hes gone :]02:07
stdinAT0M1CB0MB3R: to answer your question, me, so there02:07
edenbeastsomebody really needs to invent punchOverIP02:08
stdinAT0M1CB0MB3R: forgot the ':p' at the end02:08
edenbeastit would make a game like counterstrike more interesting too ;-)02:08
AT0M1CB0MB3RLjL i wish you could ban his mac address or hardware02:08
LjLAT0M1CB0MB3R: unfortunately that's not possible02:08
NickPrestathis reminds me of the bash.org quote about stabbing people through IRC. lol02:09
johey_stdin: Very nice. It works. Thanks! :)02:09
AT0M1CB0MB3Rwhat about his eprom LjL02:09
NickPrestaIs there any application which will remove menu entries for applications which are no longer installed?02:11
mike-kubuntuhey, all my sdl games the keyboard and mouse import is messed up02:12
mike-kubuntuthe mouse is stuck as moving down, the keboard is stuck on pressing right02:12
Oakboxim having a bit of trouble getting amarok to use my Audigy sound card as a default, can anyone point me in the right direction?02:13
DaSkreechOakbox: Do you need the onboard sound?02:13
OakboxDaSkreech: not realy no02:14
gameforgeI did the impossible: I got compiz and emerald to work on Kubuntu Gutsy with an ATI radeon.02:14
DaSkreechOakbox: disable it in BIOS02:14
NickPrestagameforge: congrats :)02:14
OakboxDaSkreech: ;) that would work thanks :) hehe02:14
gameforgethx :)02:14
mike-kubuntuOakbox: lots of times you need to disable the onboard for windows as well02:14
[Relic]any idea why firestarter just crashes?   I look and it is gone again  :(02:16
xipietotecanyone notice that the kde4 packages in us.archive are broken?02:17
NickPrestaxipietotec: nope. What's broken about them?02:18
[Relic]more important question, why isn't firefox seeing java is installed02:18
xipietotecNickPresta, kde4addons contains a file which is also in kde4base, and kde4addons depends on kde4base, so they error out and wont install02:19
flickis xchat the preferred irc client for KDE, or is there a kchat?02:19
NickPrestaflick: Konversation, I believe02:19
NickPrestaand [Relic] have you restarted Firefox since you installed Java?02:19
edenbeastyes Koonversation, it's under the internet menu02:19
ubotuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines02:19
stdinflick: konversation is the default in kubuntu (pre-installed)02:20
[Relic]NickPresta, yep I will try uninstalling and reinstalling to check it02:20
gameforgeSo how do I solve the taskbar issue with compiz on KDE?  I.e. instead of all progs showing up on all desktops, only have the ones on the current desktop?02:20
NickPrestagameforge: right click on your taskbar > configure > Taskbar: do you have "Show windows from all screens" ticked off?02:21
crazy_busin all the past releases of kubuntu when I opened something in firefox from akregator it would just open.  But not in gutsy I have to click twice on akregator after each page to put the focus back on it.  Why is this?02:22
gameforgeHold on, I'll check02:22
gameforgeIt's unchecked02:23
NickPrestagameforge: try checking it.02:23
gameforgeOK, I tried checking it, hit apply and closed, spun the cube... still get all programs on all desktops02:23
NickPrestagameforge: hmm. no idea then. Perhaps someone else will have an answer for you shortly02:24
stdingameforge: it's a compiz bug, well known and old02:24
edenbeastwell there's noly 1 'desktop' as far as compiz is concerned :-/02:24
gameforgeYeah I remember having the issue with beryl ages ago - seems to me there was a KDE taskbar alternative somewhere, but I can't find it now02:25
OakboxDr_willis_: hi, erm i just reboted and it loaded up compiz automaticaly :S02:25
NickPrestagameforge: well, I've been using Beryl for a while now and it's never gave me any problems. CF on the other hand, didn't handle my twinview setup properly. I don't know what to say...02:25
BigDaddywell, I have spent several hours in Gutsy. So far all the crash problems I had are gone.02:26
BigDaddyEven got my /home moved to a seperate partition02:27
flickkicker taskbar buttons no longer flash on highlight after i installed compiz02:28
NickPrestaflick: yeah, that happened to me too. I don't know of a fix.02:28
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DaSkreechBigDaddy: \o/02:30
sparrthe new kernel seems very gaming-friendly02:30
BluesKajBigDaddy, very cool :)02:30
[Relic]this is weird, I installed the java runtime, but it keeps saying I need to install java, does that mean I just need to mozilla plugin?  or is there something else I am missing?02:31
BluesKajI never bothered with a seperate partition for /home ...I guess I should but i din't have much luck saving my settings the last time i tried it02:31
jpwhitinghi all, anyone here got nvidia drivers to load after getting unknown symbol messages when trying?02:32
Oakboxjpwhiting: sorry nv installed fine for me02:32
jpwhitingOakbox: nv works for me too, but I'd like to use nvidia, as it usually has better performance for me02:33
stdin[Relic]: have you installed sun-java6-plugin ?02:33
NickPrestajpwhiting: I use nvidia and it worked flawlessly after installing from restricted-manager02:33
jpwhitingI get messages like unknown symbol fb_dcc_read, etc.02:34
jpwhitingok, I'll try from there02:34
NickPrestajpwhiting: uninstall any nvidia driver you have, then use the restricted-manager. give that a shot02:34
Oakboxjpwhiting: oops i did mean nvidia didnt know there was an nv as well... (shows my age in linux i suppose)02:34
NickPrestahi, werty02:34
jpwhitingk, cool, I'll try that next02:34
BluesKajinstalling java-common as well, solves quite a few probs02:35
wertywhat is better and why guarddog or firestarter?02:35
Oakboxdoes anyone have the little update icon floating in a window that you cant close and not in the taskbar?02:36
nosrednaekimOakbox: in XGL/compiz? yeah02:36
Oakboxnosrednaekim: im using compiz yeah02:36
nosrednaekimOakbox: yeah... it sometimes happens... i'm not quite sure why02:37
DaSkreechthe one you like better02:37
wertyi mean firestarter controls the protocols and the other one the ports....02:38
wertyi think...02:38
Oakboxnosrednaekim: ok, :) as long as its not me...  while i have your attention though :P i was told when installing compiz and running compiz --replace it would only run compiz untill i reboot...  well i did that and compiz is still running :S02:38
NickPrestaOakbox: it's probably because you have logged in and your session was restored...02:39
DaSkreechOakbox: KDE?02:39
nosrednaekimNickPresta: +102:39
OakboxDaSkreech: yep02:39
DaSkreechOakbox: It remembers what programs you had running and restores them when you login02:39
DaSkreechMuch easier than Gnome02:39
OakboxNickPresta: ok how do i do it without it reloading it :)02:40
[Relic]yay!  firestarter gave me an error, not sure what it means yet, but at least I have something to work with02:40
DaSkreechOakbox: If you want it to stop just load back up kwin and then logout02:40
NickPrestaOakbox: at the login screen, click on the menu icon and select "KDE" instead of "Default (previous)"02:40
OakboxDaSkreech: i did look at gnome but i have only just learnt what all the apps are in KDE :) hehe02:40
wertyhow does firestarter determines which ports to allow?02:41
DaSkreechWell if you were worried that compiz had become selfaware and was watching you to plt your wobble of death.. rest at ease02:41
DaSkreech KDE is just owrking to make your life easier02:41
edenbeastanyone else having a problem with videos when using xv as the output driver? after a few videos the image turns a greensih distortion and it won't go away regard less of the player used.02:41
OakboxTa muchly. hehe02:41
[Relic]ok to post an error line?02:41
nosrednaekimedenbeast: are you running XGL?02:42
vbgunzsomeone please help. I've spent the last couple hours rebooting trying to automount get my external devices to automount while at the same, only allowing me and root read/write access to them. every other account should be read only!02:42
BigDaddyBluesKaj: so far, I have just had a minor hiccup. Like Konversation not notifying me when says my name02:42
vbgunzhours on this with no results... I tried so many options in fstab it isn't funny. I cannot get what I need to work, can anyone help?02:42
basculevbgunz: set the entry to user in fstab instead of users02:42
flickguess i will stop using compiz, NickPresta02:42
edenbeastat least I don't think so, kubuntu still uses xorg right? :-/02:42
edenbeastvbgunz did you try uid options?02:43
vbgunzbascule: no joke, I tried so many different things. I set uid and gid to 1000 and that always results in permission denied02:43
nosrednaekimedenbeast: unless you are running compiz with an ATI card.02:43
vbgunzI set it to my name too and that doesn't work02:43
BluesKajBigDaddy, theres a setting in konversation that will flash red if your name is typed in the chat02:43
[ifr0g]vbgunz, what fs is it ?02:43
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: settings->notifications02:43
BluesKajnot the setting but the konv tab02:44
basculevbgunz: if you want that level of control from hald/hot-plug mount, I have no idea, static discs I can do no problem02:44
edenbeastvbgunz add02:44
edenbeast"<append key="volume.mount.valid_options"02:44
vbgunzthey're all vfat but in fstab I have them as auto because they're sticks, usb cards, etc. the fs I would predict could change02:44
edenbeastto that file I talked you about earlier and then try with the uid options in /etc/fstab02:44
basculeedenbeast: nice02:44
vbgunzedenbeast: not sure what you mean, that doesn't go into fstab :/02:45
edenbeastnot that goes in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-storage-methods.fdi02:46
edenbeastin the vfat section02:46
basculevbgunz: considered the mount dir as 755?02:46
vbgunzyou told me about a file before but I forgot. I found trying to mess with fstab easier but really it proved to be a pain in the ass... I always ended up with permission denied or I couldn't mount/unmount... very frustrating :(02:46
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim: what it do?02:46
edenbeastbut I must say if you make correct fstab setings, pmount should check there first02:46
nosrednaekimAT0M1CB0MB3R: what does what do?02:46
basculevbgunz: how many other users are actually on this system?02:47
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim: thats like saying whats up02:47
edenbeastcan't you just precreate mount directories with the correct permissions and have it mount there?02:47
nosrednaekimAT0M1CB0MB3R: ah :) not much.02:47
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim:  lol02:47
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim: not familour wiff black slang?02:47
[Relic]stdin, Thanks, working now  :)02:47
BigDaddynosrednaekim: found it. Don't know why that setting didn't transfer over02:47
nosrednaekimAT0M1CB0MB3R: nope. sorry, i'm not gangsta02:48
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim: not familiar wiff black slang?02:48
stdin[Relic]: no problem :)02:48
edenbeastif all else fails you can add "<append key="volume.mount.valid_options" type="strlist">ro</append>"  that mounts it read only by default02:48
BigDaddyBluesKaj: I got it.02:48
AT0M1CB0MB3Rnosrednaekim: im Gster02:48
vbgunzmy account and my sons account. I would like read/write access to everything but restrict him to write access to his home dir. I do not want him, writing, deleting, modifying files on external devices in any way :/02:48
BigDaddyAlso wanted to let you guys know that the /home moving was a lot easier than I had feared02:48
[ifr0g]AT0M1CB0MB3R, hi02:48
BluesKajcool BigDaddy :)02:48
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ifr0g]: i thought you went to sleep02:48
vbgunzedenbeast: is there no way to handle the external device permissions from fstab alone?02:48
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: thats good! I think they should make it that way by default02:48
[ifr0g]AT0M1CB0MB3R, Could not get any..:(02:48
[Relic]now if I can figure out why firestarter is crashing I will be happy  :)02:49
BigDaddynosrednaekim: you are right. That should be linux 10102:49
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ifr0g]: dang02:49
BigDaddythe only hard part is dropping into a CLI after installation and changing the mount point.02:49
BigDaddyAs long as you print out the instructions though, piece of cake02:50
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: its far easier when you do it upon install02:51
BigDaddyI never had the option during install. Maybe if I used the alternative installation disc?02:51
vbgunzedenbeast: I am really concerned with messing with that file. I trust you but I don't trust myself. I cannot believe this is harder than I could have imagined it :(02:51
Kr4t05I have a rather complicated problem... Bare with me as I tell my sad tail:02:52
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: no... you did, you just have to do manual partitioning02:52
nosrednaekimKr4t05: its "tale" but go ahead ;)02:52
BigDaddynosrednaekim: ah... that explains it. I had that HD disconected during install02:52
BigDaddynosrednaekim: that HD also has my emergency XP installation on it. If it is hooked up during install, Kubuntu makes a bootloader02:53
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: ah...02:53
nosrednaekimI think you can tell it whcih HD to install grub on now..02:53
edenbeastvbgunz I think I found what you need :-) you'll need to read a bit but in the middle they already talk about group= optionshttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=16822102:54
Kr4t05It started when I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy last night. Initially the upgrade went fine. Then, for reason even I'm not entirely sure of, I deleted ~/.kde. I expected that KDE would fall back to the default settings and rebuild things, but something went wrong. Now, I can't log back into my default user account, as it hangs at "Initializing system services". I'm currently using a secondary user account. Any help?02:54
Kr4t05I've already performed a fresh install via the Gutsy CD.02:54
BigDaddynosrednaekim: I think once I get my Zen player working 100%, my cell phone working 100%, then I will dump the windows partition completely02:55
AT0M1CB0MB3RBigDaddy: what do you do with your cell02:55
AT0M1CB0MB3RBigDaddy: i mod phones i use linux on my phone and ipod02:56
Kr4t05Does anyone have any leads on this issue?02:56
seriekrockhey you can use both ipods and cellphones in linux02:56
Kr4t05I've already tried copying the .kde file from this user account to my old user account.02:56
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  thats odd..02:56
killer_I have a few pdf files that I would like to put all into one pdf.. any hints?02:56
nosrednaekimKr4t05: weird.02:56
Kr4t05Well, sure... That's why it has me rather irritated at the moment. :/02:57
Gun_SmokeYou know for all the install problems I've been reading about I haven't ran into a single issuse yet.. /me knocks on wood02:57
nosrednaekimGun_Smoke: lucky ;)02:57
BigDaddyAT0M1CB0MB3R: just moving themes, sound files and so on02:57
Dr_willis_make a new usser. copy all ya data files over to his dir if his kde works. :) then chown the data files.02:57
killer_is there a tool.. something like "mergepdf"02:57
[ka]killeri have a question02:57
Kr4t05Dr_willis_: Yeah, I guess that would work.02:57
ubotupdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)02:57
BigDaddyit's a Sony Ericsson 300i02:58
AT0M1CB0MB3RBigDaddy: what phone do you have? v3 razr02:58
BigDaddyor maybe W300i02:58
[ka]killerif i remove, and reinstall all teh files that have to do with xine, should that fix the problems im having with it? do you think the problem is with the packages themselves and not just my install02:58
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  thebn delete the old user. :) and remake him. But i wonder if its not some permission issue going on.02:58
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  may want to kill X. and start up kde/X with 'startx' to see if any error messages show up as a hint.02:58
atlfalcons866is kde4 going to be in the resportorys?02:58
basculeKr4t05: rm -f ~/.DCOP*02:58
atlfalcons866when its released02:58
bwaynekiller_: try cat'ing the files into one outfile.02:58
nosrednaekimatlfalcons866: its already in them02:58
[ka]killerbwayne: how so?02:59
atlfalcons866thats beta02:59
Dr_willis_atlfalcons866,  so ? :)02:59
bwaynekiller_: cat file1 file2 file3 > outfile02:59
Kr4t05bascule: I'll try that.02:59
Kr4t05Here's hoping, guys.02:59
atlfalcons866will 512mb ram run kde402:59
[ka]killerum... how would that help?02:59
edenbeast640K should be enough for everybody ;-)02:59
BigDaddyAnyone here have a Creative Zen Vision player?03:00
Dr_willis_edenbeast,  its 10x more then my C64 needed03:00
XeraAnyone got a SpeedTouch 330 working in 7.10?03:00
atlfalcons8662GB is the minium in vista in my experience03:00
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: no...but they are quite well supported03:00
edenbeasthell yeah, now that was a machine :D03:00
killer_bwayne: hmm.. worth a try.. don't think that will comform to PDF specifications tho03:00
XeraI get an error about /proc/bus/usb/devices not existing03:00
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: amarok should handle it fine03:00
bwaynekiller_: can't hurt.  you may be right though.  I've cat'ed iso's together before in that fashion.  might work.03:00
BigDaddynosrednaekim: the old Nomad are well supported. But my Vision W shows up as a camera03:01
nosrednaekimBigDaddy: lol, MTP should support it just fine.. did you try amarok with it yet?03:01
BigDaddythe protocol they use is a photo transfer protocol hacked for music.03:01
MoLernerMy videocard is displaying weird flickering artifacts after coming out of suspend in Vista. would moving to Grub + dualboot have caused this?03:01
BigDaddyI tried it on 7.04, not on 7.1003:01
Dr_willis_MoLerner,  i highly doubt it.03:02
dick-richardsonI swapped sound cards and the new one is working great...is there something I should run to remove references to the old one? depmod or something similar?03:02
nosrednaekimMoLerner: dun't think so03:02
MoLernerthanks so much03:02
Kr4t05bascule: No dice, I guess I'll have to go the deletion-recreation route.03:02
Dr_willis_MoLerner,  if you cold boot from power off to windows..  and it does work.. THEN reboot to linux/reboot back to windows and it has issues.. THEN you may have a point.03:02
basculeKr4t05: well see what's in tmp to03:02
Kr4t05But, that means passing about 50GB of music/movies and anime. :P03:03
Dr_willis_MoLerner,  but i doubt if linux has anything to do with it.03:03
* [ka]killer removes xine 03:03
killer_bwayne: nope.. get huge file that displays only one page03:03
Gun_SmokeAnd anyhow.. I dropped by to ask if there are any good reads out there for coming from gnome to KDE.. As of the fresh install of 7.10 I've opted to run full KDE..03:03
Dr_willis_Gun_Smoke,   start exploring kde.. :) its rather straightforwared.03:03
nosrednaekimGun_Smoke: I don't know of any... just ask in here any Questions you have :)03:03
Kr4t05bascule: kde-andrew (the primary account)03:03
[ka]killerf***IK THAT WAS NOT SMART03:04
Gun_SmokeDr_willis_: nosrednaekim Thanks.. I'm poking around now..03:04
Kr4t05bascule: Should I nuke it?03:04
basculeKr4t05: well from where you are now try removing /tmp/ksocket-OLD_USER stuff and redo th .DCOP also do ~/.ICEauthority and ~/.Xauthority03:04
[ka]killercrap T_T03:04
[ka]killerjohn@kotoko:~$ sudo apt-get remove amarok-xine libxine-dev libxine-xvdr libxine1 libxine1-console libxine1-ffmpeg libxine1-gnome libxine1-plugins libxineliboutput-fbfe libxinerama-dev libxinerama1 vdr-plugin-xineliboutput x11proto-xinerama-dev xine-ui03:04
[ka]killerwas not a smart thing to do03:04
Dr_willis_hmm.. just had several updates.. Looks like the patches have begun! :)03:05
nosrednaekim[ka]killer: just reinstall the,03:05
[ka]killerHELLLLLP!!!!! ]03:05
[ka]killerim trying03:05
* Dr_willis_ wonders what uninstalling xine had to do with anything...03:05
Kr4t05bascule: Done, done and done.03:05
Kr4t05Log out and in?03:05
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: use vlc player?03:05
basculek, good luck03:05
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: sudo apt-get install vlc03:06
Dr_willis_i do like vlc. :)03:06
juliusAnyone having bugs with the login manager for 7.10?03:06
Dr_willis_julius,  not that i am aware of.03:06
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: are you the real Dr_willis?03:06
edenbeastI think smplayer is great03:06
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  Yes.. both of me are me..03:06
killer_hey bwayne ,  pdftk03:06
Dr_willis_One is the pc in the basement.03:06
edenbeastbest version of mplayer I've seen so far03:06
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: get on the other guy then03:06
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: i like him better03:06
bwaynekiller_: or pdfjam.03:07
[ka]killerE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)03:07
[ka]killerE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?03:07
Dr_willis_when i am in the basemet i am that one. :)03:07
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: you have adept open03:07
Dr_willis_im in the kitchen at the moment.03:07
[ka]killerno i dont03:07
[ka]killerit started to remove adept and i closed the terminal03:07
juliusDr_willis: Well after a failed login  the input areas appeared to be greyed out but they were still active. Restarting X fixed it03:07
Linux_GaloreI couldnt find any Kubuntu Gutsy CD artwork so I have posted some on www.kde-look.org  just now03:07
[ka]killerim screwed T_T03:07
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: [ka]killerlog out and log in? then try the code03:07
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: there is a kubuntu-art site aswell03:07
Kr4t05bascule: Still not working. :/03:08
jpwhitingno luck..., actually for some reason when I try to load nvidia or nvidia_new it says it can't find the device for some reason03:08
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: its just a quick hack of a LTS image03:08
basculeKr4t05: arrrrgh, I am sure I resoved this for myself, long tome agi on mandrake 9.1 - 9.2 upgrade and it was cause of those sockets03:08
bwaynekiller_: this looks promising.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfsam/03:08
jpwhitingwonder if I need some module for my motherboard so the kernel can find it or something03:08
jpwhitingbut the nv driver works... :(03:09
Gun_Smokewhat do we have in the form of gDesklets?03:09
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: kubuntu-art has no Gutsy images either, are you saying post the image there too03:09
[ka]killerdidnt help03:09
Dr_willis_!info gdesklets03:09
ubotugdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB03:09
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: yeah03:09
Dr_willis_gdesklets are for Gnome I do belive03:09
Dr_willis_Not sure how well they work for KDe.03:10
ubotuScreenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/03:10
ubotuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy03:10
basculeGun_Smoke: superkaramba03:10
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: why did you close the terminal when uninstalling adept03:10
jpwhitingDr_willis_: they work ok in kde last time I used them03:10
bascule!info superkaramba03:10
ubotusuperkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 533 kB, installed size 1424 kB03:10
Kr4t05bascule: I have the following rm line going on: "sudo rm -rf /tmp/*-andrew/ /home/andrew/.kde* /home/andrew/.DCOP* /home/andrew/.ICEauthority /home/andrew/.Xauthority"03:10
Dr_willis_jpwhiting,  ive yet to really see any of them worth using. :)03:10
Kr4t05Would that work?03:10
Gun_Smokebascule: ty03:10
Dr_willis_jpwhiting,  i am using Conky however. ;)03:10
Dr_willis_!info conky03:10
ubotuconky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.7-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 140 kB, installed size 472 kB03:10
basculeKr4t05: that really should do it ... :)03:11
basculeif not i dunno03:11
jpwhitinganyone here know what sort of modules I'd need for the kernel to be able to find pci-e nvidia card?03:11
Kr4t05Basically kill anything KDE-related that might lock me out. :P03:11
jpwhitingwhen I load nvidia it says device not found, etc.03:11
basculeKr4t05: yes al sorts of interlocked kde stuff that lost bits from.kde03:11
[ka]killerok i had to kill dpkg03:11
Dr_willis_jpwhiting,  i dident need to mess with that at all.. Odd.. where/why are you manually loading the nvidia module?03:11
jpwhitingdoes pci-e use the agp bus?03:11
jpwhitingDr_willis_: from the console when X doesn't start when set to use nvidia03:12
jpwhitingworks fine with nv though :(03:12
jpwhitingI think it might have something to do with my weird asus motherboard or something03:12
Dr_willis_jpwhiting,  you sure you got the nvidia packages installed properly?03:12
jpwhitingDr_willis_: yep03:12
Dr_willis_only module i see related to it is ------->  agpgart                35016  1 nvidia03:12
Dr_willis_thats from the lsmod command03:12
jpwhitingah, lemme see if I have agpgart, one moment03:13
Dr_willis_i2c_core               26112  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce203:13
jpwhitingis your nvidia card agp? or pci-e?03:13
jpwhitingyep, I have agpgart loaded03:13
Dr_willis_PCIE 8800GTSXXX card here.03:13
jpwhitingand ali_agp and ati_agp03:13
Dr_willis_what is your exact card?03:13
jpwhitingpcie 7300 GS03:13
attunixHow do I get GTK installed? I keep getting an "error: gtk/gtk.h: no such file or directory".03:14
jpwhitingfrom lspci:03:14
jpwhiting01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)03:14
Dr_willis_it might be a bug with that card and the nvidia drivers.03:14
besonen_mobile_where's the 7.10 changelog?03:14
Dr_willis_attunix,  what is giving you that error? Trying to compile somthing?03:14
Kr4t05bascule: Here's a pastebin of /home/andrew03:15
juliusHow do i stop kate from by default opening all the stuff i try to download]03:15
Kr4t05bascule: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41469/03:15
attunixDr_willis_: yes03:15
[ka]killerwtf my mouse randomly jumps to the top right corner of my screen03:15
Dr_willis_attunix,  thenyou need to install the various gtk developer packages.03:15
Dr_willis_attunix,  no idea which one however. :)03:15
OakboxNight all03:16
DaSkreechBigDaddy: May want to turn on THE OSD as well03:16
BigDaddyDaSkreech: how did you know I had that?03:16
jpwhitingyes, maybe03:17
bascule.ICEauthority  .Xauthority are files and still there, re-created at last login attempt?03:17
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surgyhow long does it take for my sound card to completely initialize after a log in to xwindows? i mean from time the mixer and drivers load until a game can use it?03:18
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: http://kubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+7.10+Gutsy+CD+DVD+Artwork+(Unofficial)?content=6821903:18
nosrednaekimsurgy: they should be loaded before x even starts03:18
Kr4t05bascule: I guess.03:18
surgynosrednaekim: ok thnx03:18
Kr4t05I don't think sudo is working... Maybe permissions are messed up?03:18
basculesudo will clobber it03:19
[ka]killerok something is really screwed up03:19
Kr4t05bascule: Oh... This user isn't a sudoer. ><03:19
[ka]killeri think i need to re-format again T_T03:19
[ka]killerbut first i need to burn a gusty disk...03:20
Dr_willis_Spoken like a windows user! :)03:20
[ka]killerand its not detecting my burner....03:20
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: why do you just try to fix it03:21
[ka]killerim trying03:21
[ka]killerbut nothign is working....03:21
[ka]killerscrew it03:21
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: before reinstalling so you learn something03:21
AT0M1CB0MB3R[ka]killer: ill try look on google03:22
[ka]killerreinstalling festy03:22
[ka]killermaybe then xine wont be f**ked up03:22
ranceIs there a way to have apt-get automatically install "suggested packages" when they are listed?03:22
killer_bwayne: pdftk *.pdf cat output combined.pdf03:22
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nosrednaekimrance: use aptitude, which does that03:23
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.03:24
abecompiz run on 7,.1?03:24
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion03:24
michaelAlguien me sabe decir que tiene de especial la version 7.10?03:24
[ka]killerdam it all03:25
[ka]killerits not detecting my cd drive so i cant boot from it03:25
abeDr_willis_: i tried to fallow that instruction on feisty in didn't work03:25
bwaynekiller_: sweet.  that'll come in handy.03:25
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.03:25
Dr_willis_abe,  its not for feisty.03:25
[ka]killerits not detecting my cd drive to boot from03:26
abeok i will try03:26
[ka]killerits not detecting it to burn03:26
nosrednaekim[ka]killer: reinstall xine?03:26
killer_bwayne: yep.. I have a notebook and I scanned the pages to pdf, now I have a digital notebook :)03:26
[ka]killerit didnt get a chance to remove xine... it started with adept and kde03:26
[ka]killer+ i already did that03:26
bwaynekiller_: what program you use to scan?03:27
[ka]killerscan for what?03:27
killer_bwayne: I did a project for a client and now that it's all done.. I want them to have a copy of my notes since they paid for all this03:27
bwaynekiller_: nice professional touch.03:28
killer_bwayne: aahh.. I was time pressed .. I cheated.. my next door neighbor has a printing company, makes books,manuals and the like, ....03:28
[ka]killerprofessional nothign right now im just trying not to screw my box over03:28
[ka]killerits the only 'working' comp in teh house right now03:28
killer_bwayne: ... he has a really nice copy machine with scan to pdf.. each page took about 2 seconds to make pdf03:28
Dr_willis_a huge pdf with lots of jpgs in it! :)03:28
bwaynekiller_: i have a HP Officejet that works well with Kooka.  HP Utils are buggy though.  I was able to send a fax directly from my PC one time, but haven't gotten it to work again since.03:29
shadowhywindDoes anyone know if there is a fix for knetworkmanger to make it work again?03:29
killer_bwayne: previously I use kooka03:29
[ka]killerwho the hell is talkign about printing03:30
Kr4t05Hey, I got logged in!03:30
killer_[ka]killer: I am03:30
[ka]killerwtf does printing have to do with my cd drive not being detected03:30
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: whats wrong with it?03:30
Kr4t05But, something weird just happened.03:30
basculeKr4t05: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/4107.html03:30
nosrednaekim[ka]killer: there is another killer logged on..03:30
bwaynesome of us actually use a KDE environment in a professional setting.03:30
[ka]killeri didnt notice that03:30
Kr4t05Adept says there is a new distribution version available.03:30
[ka]killerim not used to being in heavily populated rooms03:30
bwayneprinting becomes important.03:30
rancesorry its late, I just saw the answer, thanks03:31
[ka]killeryah... i have an hp photosmart 810003:31
killer_bwayne: I've been using KDE as my only workstation since 200103:31
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  pay no attention to the bug behind the update... :)03:31
[ka]killerplug it in and it works =P03:31
Kr4t05"But you promised me a brain!"03:31
shadowhywindnosrednaekim, it just allows me to manually configure my connectsions, it doesn't see my ethernet nor my wireless connection03:31
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  thats an OS of a Different color...03:31
BluesKajwelcome to Kubuntu-opolis [ka]killer03:31
bwaynekiller_: wow.  i've been using GNU/Linux for around a year.  KDE won me over not too long ago.03:31
* Dr_willis_ releases the winged lawyers!03:31
[ka]killeri want to kill this computer T_T03:32
abehey compiz is working03:32
Kr4t05Should I follow the Yellow-Brick Distro?03:32
[ka]killercant wait till i get the money to ubild mine03:32
DaSkreechKr4t05: Wow you could make that rm much simpler :)03:32
* Kr4t05 breaks into song.03:32
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: try this "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart"03:33
Kr4t05Dr_willis_: So, do I ignore the "new version" or proceed?03:33
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  it wont do anytyhing if you procede03:34
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  i just tried it. :)03:34
nosrednaekimah... I thought it crashed..03:34
Dr_willis_It tries to do stuff.. but then says  You are up to date.03:34
Kr4t05As did I.03:34
shadowhywindnosrednaekim, did that, everything came up with ok. With no luck03:34
Kr4t05Okay... Time to install all the stuff that I could really use.03:34
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: no difference? huh03:34
Kr4t05And some stuff that I don't need at all.03:34
shadowhywindnosrednaekim nope, i restarted knetworkmanager and still nothing. This started happening after a bunch of kde updates couple weeks ago on fiesty03:35
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: knetworkmangler is wonky sometimes... does you wireless work?03:35
shadowhywindmy wireless does work03:35
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: do you need WPA?03:35
shadowhywindsometimes yes03:35
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: oh :(03:36
shadowhywindthe oddpart was when i was in the middle of my gusty update, and KDE crashed when i restarted knetworkmanager was working. But after i finished gusty updates, it went back to its not working state03:36
DaSkreechrance: --with-recommends or -r03:37
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: try purging knetoworkmanager and then reinstalling03:37
shadowhywindk, trying that now03:38
rancegot it, thanks, it was in the man page03:38
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs03:39
ubotuThe "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or type man:/ in Konqueror's location bar. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal03:39
shadowhywindif i purged knetworkmanager why can i still run it ?03:40
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: you killed it and then it runns when you try to start it?03:41
killer_bwayne: I had to leave windows.. I really enjoy rebooting four or 5 times a year03:41
shadowhywindi purged it, restarted X and it loaded, so i closed it, and tried to open it from the kmenu and it was still there03:41
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: wierd! try getting rid of networkmanager03:42
killer_bwayne: also I have upto 12 virtual desktops to organize my workflow.. windows cannot compare with the level of productivity03:42
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: ah...remove "network-manager-kde03:42
shadowhywinddoing that now03:43
killer_I have projects that I leave open for weeks on virtual desktops03:43
killer_if I have to reboot, I cry03:43
shadowhywindok so that looks like it removed it03:43
shadowhywindand i am reinstalling it now03:43
Dr_willis_windows - the anti-producitivity03:43
shadowhywindand same thing, it still not working03:44
nosrednaekimshadowhywind: did you do a complete removal?03:44
shadowhywindi did a purge on both of them03:44
killer_Dr_willis_: windows is for keeping a live person attached to the mouse. but computers are actually capable of doing work without a person having to babysit it03:45
Dr_willis_killer_,  blasphmy! dont let the boss's know!03:45
* Dr_willis_ is exploring the possible REAL productivity boosters of compiz..03:45
Dr_willis_Inverting colors on windows.. handy.. zoom.. also handy. :)03:46
Dr_willis_Clone - NO idea what thats for. :)03:46
killer_Dr_willis_: I tell my boss several times aday why it is that I work so slow03:46
fluffmanI thought it was just for impressing vista users03:46
Kr4t05I had to use Zoom when I broke my glasses.03:46
Kr4t05I guess that's a testament to how bad my vision is.03:46
DaSkreechDr_willis_: Stack Windows03:47
Dr_willis_Hmm.. some how i cant move this window now03:47
killer_Dr_willis_: it's like "hey.. do you want the work finished? or just want me to push a cursor around all day?"03:47
DaSkreechDr_willis_: No wait it's group windows03:47
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Dr_willis_well some how i broke compiz and cant click to focus windows now. :)03:48
nosrednaekimDr_willis_: why are you always breaking it?lol03:48
Dr_willis_cant even click on tabs in xchat.03:48
Dr_willis_its as if mouse clicks no longer affect anything03:48
Dr_willis_Yeppers look like i may need to be restarting X to kick this in the head. :P03:49
Dr_willis_BB in a few03:50
ashfaqcan I run windows xp through vmware in gutstsy kdm? how ? please help03:50
nosrednaekimashfaq: not via kdm, not03:50
shane_anyone else having trouble getting emerald themes/beryl to work in gutsy?03:50
ashfaqI mean in kubuntu gutsy03:51
shane_ashfaq - I imagine you would just install VMware, set up a virtual machine and install XP on it via a CD or whatever03:51
ashfaqI just checked the vm virtual machine in xp has installed ubuntu, similarily if kubuntu can do that I will get rid of xp03:52
tekstacyashfaq, try VirtualBox03:52
shane_how do I get an emerald theme to actually go into effect03:52
shane_I select them but I don't see any changes03:52
tekstacyI have XP running now03:52
ashfaqBut I am not able to access other folders of host in xp03:52
shane_ashfaq - I'm not sure if XP can read ext3 formatted partitions03:53
ashfaqThats right shane03:53
adz21cit can read ext2 with a driver plugin03:53
DaSkreechashfaq: yes it can03:54
shane_ok, nevermind then03:54
ashfaqThat is why I want to install it on kubuntu keep it as default os, as now I am having dual os03:54
Dr_willis_ashfaq,  i use vmware-server to run Xp all the time. :)03:55
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion03:55
Dr_willis_shane_,  check that !compiz site i put in notes on how to do just that. :)03:55
[ifr0g]ah, NoT :D03:55
ashfaqvmware server is available in the kubuntu package?03:55
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »03:55
Dr_willis_ashfaq,  it used to be.. not sure if its in the gutsy comercial repos yet.03:56
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AndyMan1I'd like to install Gutsy and have /home on a separate encrypted partition, is this possible?03:56
Dr_willis_ashfaq,  its not too hard to install from the vmware packages from vmware03:56
Dr_willis_AndyMan1,  i hear it is. :)03:56
ashfaqJust help me out if it is or to get that in Kubuntu please03:56
AndyMan1any idea where to start looking? i've checked the ubuntu wiki but either can't find anything or my google-fu isn't up to snuff03:57
Dr_willis_ashfaq,  i found a link the other day that walked ya through it.. let me see...03:57
Dr_willis_thats a darn handy site :) lots of good info03:58
ashfaqDr_willis_: this link would help? let me check it!03:58
Dr_willis_ashfaq,  its rather straight forward. The only issue is that you must use the vmware 'patch' thing to get the modules compiled properly03:58
Dr_willis_You do have a vmware-server serial #? if not you can get one for free from the vmware site. by fillingout a form.03:59
shadowhywindok so i may have fixed knetworkmanager, but ran into another issue03:59
shadowhywindHas anyone heard of a wireless card not working in windows or linux, But after reinstalling the drivers in windows, it works in windows AND linux?04:00
AndyMan1that sounds weird enough to be true =P04:00
Dr_willis_shadowhywind,  its possible the pnp features of windows sets up the irq/dma/stuff proplery for the card04:00
Dr_willis_shadowhywind,  ive had some odd issues with sound cards in the past ages ago - similer ot that.04:00
Dr_willis_The card would NOT work - if i booted to windows first. :)04:01
[ifr0g]shadowhywind, maybe on lala land..04:01
Dr_willis_wonder if the drivers flashed the bios onthe card or somthing.04:01
shadowhywindthis has been happening for the last month or so. But if i go into vista i wont have a wireless card. But after i install the drivers and switch back to linux i have them04:01
Linux_Galoreshadowhywind: yes, the new driver initiated a firmware patch04:02
shadowhywindbut then why wouldn't it stay?04:02
AT0M1CB0MB3Rcan somebody help me with compiz-fusion?04:03
Linux_Galoreshadowhywind: because its not rom based, it loads the patch when initated04:03
ksivajiadept_updater consumes all my bandwidth i can use opera is there any way to run adept with low bandwidth04:03
ksivajicant* use opera04:03
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion04:04
Dr_willis_i just decided to turn OFF compiz for now under kde. :)04:04
Dr_willis_too many little issues04:05
Linux_Galorethere are some seriously goofy driver hacks out for hardware running in Windows04:05
ubotuKDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php04:05
nickprestaIs there any Beryl package for Gutsy?04:05
fluffmanDr_willis_: I agree04:05
Dr_willis_nickpresta,  i would say NO.. since compiz replaces it04:05
fluffmanI used compiz for about 10 minutes04:05
fluffmanI hate it compared to beryl04:06
Dr_willis_fluffman,  i like some of the fetures.. but not really that handy.04:06
Kr4t05Dr_willis_: Little issues? Care to elaborate?04:06
nickprestaDr_willis_: I'm sorry but I feel that CF is a poor replacement. It's buggy and doesn't do what I want. Beryl, although replaced, still works the way I want04:06
Dr_willis_Kr4t05,  not really. :) go try it and start noticing them.. Lets see.. input dialog box's not taking the focus.. lokups.. having to look in compiz settings manager for what used tobe a kde setting.. so forth04:07
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AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: how do i completely uninstall/purge  xserver-xgl and compiz-kde04:07
Linux_Galorenickpresta: beryl is deprecated, CF is the merging of compiz and beryl04:07
Dr_willis_nickpresta,   i feel the whole compiz/beryl stuff is getting pushed out the gate too fast to impress people.04:07
nickprestaLinux_Galore: I am aware of that. It's still a poor replacement in my opinion04:07
moparisthebesthi, I am upgrading this computer from feisty to gutsy, and ran into a little problem half way04:07
DaSkreech Microsoft is figuring out how to interface with your brain?04:07
moparisthebestSetting up acpid (1.0.4-5ubuntu8) ...04:07
moparisthebest * Loading ACPI modules...                                     [ OK ]04:07
moparisthebest * Starting ACPI services...                                          invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.04:07
Linux_Galorenickpresta: its not a replacement, its the exact same code04:07
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  thers no need to.  if you dont run the compiz --replace command kde wont be using it.04:07
moparisthebestso since that won't set up, dpkg aborts04:08
fluffmanAT0M1CB0MB3R: sudo apt-get remove --purge compiz kde xserver-xgl04:08
Kr4t05!paste | moparisthebest04:08
ubotumoparisthebest: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)04:08
moparisthebestany ideas on how to get it to set up correctly?04:08
Dr_willis_I found that removing compiz broke my Gnome. :()04:08
moparisthebestKr4t05, normally you can paste <= 3 lines in IRC, is that not the case in here?04:08
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: i want to remove it so i can reinstall :]04:08
nickprestaLinux_Galore:  CF is now "updated" and "fancier" code than Beryl, since Beryl is not being worked on anymore and their enhancements have been merged back04:08
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  and what will reinstalling it acomplish? Not much. this is Linux - not windows.04:09
nickprestaAt any rate, is there a package for Beryl in Gutsy?04:09
AndyMan1anyone know where to find how to install with an encrypted /home?04:09
ubotuBeryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz04:09
Kr4t05moparisthebest: Well, I'm not sure how that applies... I'm not a mod, but I did notice a large "chunk" of text scroll by.04:09
Dr_willis_Guess thats a no to beryl04:09
michaelKubuntu 7.10 is more good?04:09
Kr4t05I suppose it's up to whoever is incharge.04:09
Dr_willis_more gooder :)04:09
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: the config file makes it hard to get compiz working :[04:09
nickprestagah. I dislike that decision...04:09
Linux_Galorenickpresta: fancier lol, its just merged in code from Beryl, beryl itself had issues with compiz anyway CF just attempts to iron some of them out04:09
michaeland 7.04?04:09
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  what config file?04:09
DaSkreechmoparisthebest: try apt-get install that by itself ?04:09
moparisthebestit was only 3 lines, that is usually ok, but I'll check next time in case :)04:10
AT0M1CB0MB3Risnt that why i purge it?04:10
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: isnt that why i purge it?04:10
michael7.04 is good?04:10
fluffmanAT0M1CB0MB3R: also remove .compiz in ~/04:10
moparisthebestDaSkreech, same thing04:10
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  purging a package will not remove users settings/config files.. what config file are you refering to?04:10
DaSkreechAndyMan1: not install then encrypt home?04:10
moparisthebestevery apt-get run it tries to install 3 packages, and all fail because they depend on acpid04:10
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  if you totally messed up the compiz settings remove the users settings file.04:10
AT0M1CB0MB3Rwhat does purging do the,04:10
Kr4t05michael: Well, yeah... But 7.10 has a lot of newer things in it that make it better. :)04:10
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)04:10
AT0M1CB0MB3RDr_willis_: how do i do that?04:11
DaSkreechmoparisthebest: Why does it fail ?04:11
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R, like fluffman  said.. remove the files in the users home dir. under .compiz04:11
moparisthebestDaSkreech, I assume because of "invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.04:11
moparisthebestyea, that is the reason given04:11
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion04:11
* Linux_Galore wonders about people who complain about beta CF functionality 04:11
AndyMan1well in one way or another I'd like to both install Gutsy and have /home on an encrypted partition (at least, maybe the rest of the OS too), but i don't know where to start04:11
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R, if you think that will help. Youve not really stated the actual problem.04:11
Dr_willis_of course Im uing the 'flatfile' setting for compiz settings.. so not sure where it keeps them04:12
martin_hi, can anyone tell me how to access an usb-device in kubuntu?04:12
Dr_willis_I dont even see a .compiz file or direcoty04:12
martin_everytime i insert a stick or cam, just nothing happens04:12
nickprestaDr_willis_: /etc/compizconfig, I believe04:12
Linux_GaloreShould have a notice on that "although compiz-fussion works it is still considered "unstable" so unexpected bugs will happen"04:12
tomer_compiz --replace causes the title bars of my windows to disapear04:13
tomer_any ideas?04:13
Dr_willis_nickpresta,  thats sytem wide. :) for my user. i see to have a .config/compiz04:13
tomer_i then have to restart04:13
Dr_willis_tomer,  you have emerald installed?04:13
tomer_well i did this:sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde emerald04:13
Dr_willis_and is this a clean install or upgrade?04:13
tomer_it is an upgrade from 70404:14
Dr_willis_'upgrade' seems to be a common thing in compiz issues..04:14
DaSkreechmoparisthebest: Is there a start action for /etc/init.d/acpid ?04:14
tomer_so no solution?04:14
fluffmanI just tried to install kde 4, but when I try to log in, I just return to the login screen04:15
moparisthebesthaha, finally found the solution on the ubuntu forums DaSkreech, realy strange too04:15
martin_i mean, shouldnt a usb stick be automatically detected?04:15
fluffmanwhat's wrong?04:15
moparisthebestsudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop04:15
moparisthebestsudo dpkg --configure acpid04:15
moparisthebestand it works fine after that04:15
Dr_willis_tomer_,  i always do a clean install.. so cant help ya there. I followed the !compiz guide and it works.04:15
moparisthebestthanks :)04:15
DaSkreechmoparisthebest: Thats' what I was going to suggest :)04:16
AT0M1CB0MB3Rhow do i run compiz at startup?04:16
tomer_whats the easiest way to restart X on the machine04:16
tomer_without rebooting04:16
AT0M1CB0MB3Rand run emerald?04:16
moparisthebestok, here is another question, this install was originally xubuntu, and I installed kubuntu-desktop, is there any way to remove all the xubuntu stuff?04:16
fluffmantomer_: logout, then alt+e04:16
Dr_willis_AT0M1CB0MB3R,  IF 'compiz --replace' works.04:16
Kr4t05AT0M1CB0MB3R: Go find a deb for fusion-icon.04:16
DaSkreechtomer_: Easy or fast?04:17
Dr_willis_you can make a auto start entry for it in the .kde/Autostart dir04:17
Dr_willis_!find autostart04:17
ubotuFound: kcontrol-autostart, mythbuntu-live-autostart04:17
Dr_willis_!info kcontrol-autostart04:17
ubotukcontrol-autostart: autostart module for KDE control center. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 216 kB04:17
Dr_willis_I would just make an icon ont he desktop that runs 'compiz --replace' and try it for a few days04:18
fluffmanmoparisthebest: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde04:18
moparisthebestperfect, much appreciated fluffman :)04:19
fluffmanyour welcom04:19
ubotupurekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »04:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about puregnome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:20
Dr_willis_Take that gnome!04:20
hexstar_anyone else notice this issue: http://pastebin.ca/744134 ??04:20
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hexstar_how can I fix that issue?04:20
Dr_willis_looks like some server issues to me hexstar_  might want to change servers in the sources.list file04:21
moparisthebestI did run into that issue hexstar_04:21
moparisthebestit was a GPG issue for me04:21
John117Hey guy!   how is it going?04:21
moparisthebestI had to put a default file there to fix it04:21
hexstar_also, why does this happen?04:22
hexstar_sudo apt-get --dist-upgrade04:22
hexstar_E: Sense dist is not understood, try true or false.04:22
moparisthebestI have it bookmarked on another computer, it took me forever to find it, I'll see what I can do here04:22
Dr_willis_hexstar_,  try without the --04:22
John117I"m having a little trouble getting some of the kinks worked out of Compiz Fusion on Gutsy.  Does anybody have a few minutes and alot of patience?04:22
John117dr_willis_ I got it installed, btw.04:23
hexstar_Dr_willis ah thanks04:23
moparisthebesthexstar_, that pastebin site you linked me to, does it crash your firefox? :S04:23
hexstar_moparisthebest: no... :-/04:23
Dr_willis_moparisthebest,  heh heh crashing pastebin. :)04:23
John117dr_willis_ thank you for your help..  I"m just trying to get it to RUN and WORK. lol04:23
Dr_willis_dident crash me either.04:23
moparisthebestyea, its crashing firefox, but opened in konqueror :/04:23
Dr_willis_John117,  heck - i cant even remebr what you were working on.04:23
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moparisthebeststrange, probably the second time Ive had firefox crash04:23
moparisthebestand it does it every time :/04:23
Dr_willis_moparisthebest,  blame compiz04:24
moparisthebestIf I wasn't using pure kde I would Dr_willis :P04:24
Kr4t05Okay... Time to restart X.04:24
John117dr_willis_ sorry. :)   I finally got compiz fusion installed on Gutsy.  The install wen't fine.   I got no errors when i tried to start it, but i don't have wobbly windows or a desktop cube :(04:24
hexstar_huh, there dosn't seem to be that much new: http://pastebin.ca/74414004:24
Dr_willis_moparisthebest,  you mean the   http://pastebin.ca/744134  site? its not even using anything special that i can see. No flash or anything04:24
moparisthebestthat is the one04:25
Dr_willis_JohanSalim,  #*@ the cube. :)04:25
Dr_willis_oops wrong nick. :)04:25
moparisthebestI am upgrading a lot of packages now though, could be the problem I guess04:25
Dr_willis_John117,  @*@8 the cube. :)  use 'compiz --replace' to get compiz started04:25
John117dr_willis_ i know how you feel about the cube. :)   I'm just trying to learn :)04:25
Dr_willis_Now the zoom - is a handy feature04:25
hexstar_damn..security.ubuntu.com is slow...04:25
moparisthebestJohn117, the cube is great for impressing windows users :)04:26
John117dr_willis_ i used that command.  but the window wobble and certain other offects don't work.04:26
moparisthebestthats all I ever used beryl for :P04:26
Dr_willis_did the title bars change their look?04:26
hexstar_I'm getting less then 1kb/s!!!04:26
Dr_willis_if so run ccsm and start twiddling with the settings04:26
John117dr_willis_ how do i verify that compiz IS running, and how do i use the zoom?     Not really.04:26
hexstar_I'm not sure why the kubuntu team finds it acceptable to use servers on dialup connections but whatever04:26
Dr_willis_John117,  does the terminal say anything. the one ya ran compiz --replace in.04:26
Dr_willis_John117,  when i use compiz --replace the screne flashes black, then the titlebars all change to the compiz/emerald them i got selected04:27
hexstar_does anyone else here get slow speeds with security.ubuntu.com when using apt-get?04:27
UnluckyMikedoes kubuntu use /etc/network/interfaces the same as ubuntu04:28
John117dr_willis_ AHA!  glx not present!04:28
Dr_willis_run ccsm, check the  'ehnahced zoom desktop' then hold down the windows key and scroll the mouse wheel. :)04:28
tomeranyone got the 3d desktop to work after a 704 to 710 upgrade???04:28
Dr_willis_John117,  you got an nvidia card?04:28
John117dr_willis_ nope..  GD ati04:28
tomerfreaking giving me problems04:28
Dr_willis_John117,  good luck to you then...04:29
hexstar_64 bytes from auckland.canonical.com ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=171 ms <_<04:29
Dr_willis_you did install the ati drivers with the restricted-manager tool?04:29
Dr_willis_!info restricted-manager04:29
uboturestricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB04:29
John117dr_willis_ i know, right!   Is there something i can read about that?      Nope..04:29
Dr_willis_is there a kde front end to that?04:29
Dr_willis_John117,  i always use that tool :)04:29
John117dr_williss_ how do i do it?04:30
Dr_willis_John117,  install that tool.. run it.. click the boxs, restart X. Done. :)04:30
hexstar_aight well my question was answered and that is what I cam here for so I'm gonna go now, thanks for the help guys...kubuntu is a great free product...keep it up! :)04:30
Dr_willis_if you are lucky04:31
* Dr_willis_ sends hexstar_ a bill.04:31
John117dr_willis_ how do i run the restricted driver manager?04:31
Dr_willis_try 'rest<Tab key>'04:32
Dr_willis_one of the MORe logicially named tools :)04:32
fluffmanJohn117: K menu > system > advanced04:32
Dr_willis_its faster to use the shell then serach the menus. :)04:32
Dr_willis_ack katpult aint working04:33
fluffman* I mean system settings, not system04:33
michaelwillis kubuntu 7.04 is good?04:33
DaSkreechDr_willis_: Run for the hills!04:33
fluffmanI just installed KDE4, but when I try to log into it, I return to the login screen04:35
fluffmananybody know what's going on there?04:35
ubotupurekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »04:37
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.04:37
Dr_willis_yep - i think compiz.. seriously needs a bit more work.... :)04:38
fluffmanDr_willis_: are you running kde 4 per chance?04:39
Dr_willis_I got enough beta stuff on here now. :)04:39
hydrogencompiz needs to just die.04:39
fluffmanI guess I'll just have to wait04:39
hydrogenfluffman: kde4 beta is really not worth trying04:39
Dr_willis_rocksndiamonds - Arcade style game --- Woo hoo..one of the greatest games of all time! is in the  repos now!04:40
* DaSkreech smacks hydrogen04:40
hydrogenDaSkreech: its still utterly unprepared, and is really painful on the eyes04:40
hydrogenit's /not/ something you want people to try04:40
hydrogenits something you want to cry in a corner over04:40
mbosoIf I am using ubuntu, what is the best way to get the latest amarok package? what repo should I use?04:40
DaSkreechhydrogen: it IS something we want people to betatest04:40
hydrogenDaSkreech: betatesting now is going to make people quit and install gnome04:41
DaSkreechmboso: What version of Ubuntu ?04:41
dystopianraymboso: install gutsy and you have the latest04:41
hydrogenits in feisty-backports as well04:41
dystopianraymboso: or if you're on feisty, get the latest amarok from feisty-backports04:41
hydrogenthere is absolutely no need to install gutsy04:41
mbosodystopianray: Ok cool. was going to upgrade to gutsy in a few minutes.04:41
fluffmandon't worry hydrogen, I'm NOT switching to gnome04:41
DaSkreechhydrogen: So we should take down the repos?04:41
mbosothought i had to add a kubuntu repo or something04:41
MsGeekHi folks.04:41
dystopianraymboso: ubuntu and kubuntu use the same repos04:41
hydrogenDaSkreech: no, we should just be quiet about them and hope no one notices04:41
Dr_willis_lets burn all the computers! :004:42
dystopianraywhat's wrong with the repos?04:42
MsGeekI get a whole lot of nothing when I try to run the live CD on my ThinkPad 600x04:42
DaSkreechand if they ask tell them they don't exist ?04:42
hydrogenI suppose you can try some kde4 apps.. but make sure you a) arn't using oxygen and b) don't try to log into the desktop04:42
fluffmanMsGeek: if that's the case, then *buntu probably isn't for you on that computer04:42
shadowhywindSo i did find out the issue with knetworkmanger, its has something to do with my /etc/network/interfaces file. If i delete the file everything works04:42
MsGeekThat it?04:43
MsGeekNo ideas for kicking it over?04:43
dystopianrayshadowhywind: what issue were you having?04:43
MsGeekI have Dapper Drake running on it RIGHT NOW.04:43
MsGeekDapper Drake is happy on here.04:43
shadowhywinddystopianray knetworkmanager was stuck on manual configuation, and didn't see my wired or wireless connection04:43
MsGeekHowever, I would like to have something a tad more up-to-date.04:44
MsGeekI even used these switches at the boot line:04:44
fluffmanMsGeek: try booting the live cd in safe graphics mode04:44
MsGeekacpi=off pci=noacpi pnpbios=off vga=0x31704:44
DaSkreechMsGeek: try turning off acpi04:44
MsGeekSafe graphics mode = no joy.04:45
fluffmanhydrogen: how would I obtain kde4 apps without the kde4 desktop?04:45
MsGeekIf there is some other magick word I could add at the boot line do clue me in.04:46
hydrogenfluffman: just install the kdelibs package and the kde(games|pim|sdk|whatever) package04:46
hydrogenand then run the commands from within kde304:46
MsGeekMaybe I'll just put Debian Testing on here.04:46
fluffmanok :)04:46
Dr_willis_PuppyLinux :)04:46
Dr_willis_My fave04:46
Dr_willis_well night all04:47
John117Hey guys.. hwo do i get to the restricted devices?04:47
fluffmanJohn117: K Menu > system settings > advanced tab04:47
mohamedI just installed Kubuntu over the new unbuntu but I'm not able to show back ground or any thing04:48
tomeri still think windows xp is superior...04:52
fluffman(23:52:43) tomer: i still think windows xp is superior...04:53
fluffmanto what?04:53
DaSkreechYeah Ubuntu upgrades seem much less stable04:53
Thug-lifetomer: thinking windows xp is superior is off-topic on freenode. Please view the rules at http://freenode.net/policy.shtml04:53
DaSkreechThug-life: no it's not04:53
Thug-lifeI know04:53
DaSkreechmohamed: go again?04:53
mbosowhen I upgraded from edgy to fiesty I got a kernel panic because of the UUID label from grub. What do I need to do to get my kernel to boot using UUID?04:54
moparisthebestdoes anyone happen to know if repairing a windows XP install will wipe out grub? Im running a dual boot with 1 hd04:55
Gun_SmokeHow/where do I add startup scripts.. ie.  superkaramba04:55
dystopianraymoparisthebest: backup your mbr and restore after the repair04:55
moparisthebestany easy way to do that dystopianray ?04:55
dystopianraymoparisthebest: (assuming sda is your drive) sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr_backup count=1 bs=512b04:56
ubotuTo see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)04:56
DaSkreechmboso: ^^^04:57
DaSkreech!autostart | Gun_Smoke04:57
ubotuGun_Smoke: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.04:57
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: ty04:58
mohamedi just installed kubuntu over ubuntu and it looks like it's not functioning does any body know why?04:58
Dr_willismohamed,  clarify that statement.. err.. you DID select 'kde' from the login screen?04:59
DaSkreechmohamed: What is not functioning04:59
mohamedthe backgorund and the other themes that should be there, it still give me the ubuntu interface04:59
vbgunzanyone know what this means with virtualbox: "VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason. Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start' as root."?05:00
vbgunzI do not have the /etc/init.d/virtualbox file :(05:00
vbgunzand I did install the virtualbox-ose-modules package05:00
AmyRosevbgunz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox05:00
AmyRoseYou're using OSE?05:00
Dr_willismohamed,  you are refering to the boot/splash stuff. does the GDM/KDM login have a 'kde session' in its menu? if so and it works. then its working. ;) you can customize the splash stuff05:01
vbgunzwell, yeah, I thought I give it a try05:01
mbosoDaSkreech: The thing is, It has the right UUID volume lable. but it still kernel panics. when i switch from root=UUID=xxxxx...  to root=/dev/sda1 it works05:01
vbgunzI had virtualbox before but never the ose version05:01
mbosoDaSkreech: shouldn't it work either way?05:01
AmyRosevbgunz: Oh, I know nothing about OSE05:01
DaSkreechmboso: Well if you have a UUID in /etc/fstab then yeah05:01
mbosoDaSkreech: yeah, that's what i'm trying to figure out. doesn't make sense.05:04
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bbeck_I've noticed two problems so far with the running of kwin-composite.  The kickers is translucent, and I don't see any way to make ti opaque, and the shadows underneath the covers when dragging music to the playlist in Amarok is generally the wrong size.  Has anyone else noted these problems?05:05
jimanyone know how to run Base (Open Office Database ) , I can't find it in the menu?05:06
Dr_willisI got it in my menus.05:06
fluffmanjim: click on K Menu, then right click on "office"05:06
fluffmanthen click "edit menu"05:07
vbgunzdamn, I think I got it but have to log out :/05:07
John117Anybody want to help me see if i can get GXL up and running on this ati laptop?05:07
fluffmanthen add a new entry05:07
Dr_willisJohn117,  what video that thing got anyway?05:08
fluffmanthe command is ooffice -base %YOU05:08
John117Dr_willis thought you left.   :)   It has an Xpress 20005:08
fluffman*YOU = U05:08
fluffmandang pidgin05:08
John117dr_willis i got the restricted drivers loaded.05:08
jimsorry I don't see office when I right click kmenu. , thanks fluffman I'll try the command line05:08
Dr_willisJohn117,  err... if you had mentioned that earlier - i would of told ya not to bother. :) My laptop has x200m - and it cant handle the compiz stuff.05:09
fluffmanno jim05:09
fluffmanclick k menu05:09
John117dr_willis LOL thank you anyway man.. i appreciate it.05:09
fluffmanthen right click on the "office" listing05:09
fluffmanthen click "edit"05:09
Dr_willisJohn117,  it MIGHT work.. but thats a very low end video card. :)05:09
John117dr_willis I at least got the wobbly windows to work on Ubuntu.   ONCE.. LOL05:11
dystopianrayis it possible to adjust the increment that kmilo uses to increment/decrement the volume?05:11
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Les_CaesarsHow do I change the size of my icons on the desktop?05:11
jimfluffman: when I do that I still don't see Base ??05:13
dystopianrayLes_Caesars: system settings -> appearance -> icons05:13
DaSkreechjim: is it installed?05:13
jimI didn't uninstall it, do you know the package name for Base05:14
DaSkreechjim: type that at the command line05:14
acrabunihay alguna española aqui05:15
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.05:15
John117dr_willis well anyway.. I got the restricted drivers to LOAD..  but i'm still told "no glx" then it falls back to Metacity and there is not metacity.. so.....05:16
jimDaSkreech, thanks, look like it isn't installed package name is openoffice.org-base05:17
Dr_willisJohn117,  you might want to research the 'glx' and 'fglrx' driver  stuff first. :)05:17
fluffmanjim: now I'm having the same trouble05:17
fluffmanI can't get it to work either05:17
DaSkreechjim: Yeah just wanted to test if it was installed :)05:18
John117dr_willis will do.    You're mighty helpful. :) thanks again05:18
jimI guess it doesn't install by default, downloading it now, sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-base05:19
frank23logout is prevented by a program I have running (there is a popup when I try to logout) How can I force the logout without shutting that program down manualy every time?05:21
Dr_williswhat program is this?05:21
Dr_willisjust alt-ctrl-backspace :) kick X in the head.. heh05:21
frank23Dr_willis: mythfrontend I have running05:21
Dr_willisnever noticed it not letting me logout.. lets try it. :)05:22
frank23Dr_willis: ok thanks. it runs on DISPLAY 0.1 for me I don't know if it makes a difference05:23
Insanity^Is there anyone in here who could help me with an install issue?05:24
frank23Insanity^: just ask someone might be able to help05:24
AmyRose!ask | Insanity^05:25
ubotuInsanity^: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:25
Dr_willisfrank23,  i got mythfrontend on the 'left' side monitor. :) and normal desktop here. (using twinview) it lets me logout just fine05:26
Dr_willisfrank23,  you are using 'kdm' to   log in with?05:26
Insanity^I'm installing Kubuntu 7.10 and I can boot the CD, but when I choose to start the Live CD my screen just goes blank.05:26
frank23Dr_willis: yes05:26
fluffmanInsanity^: that's normal for many computers05:27
fluffmanwait for kubuntu to finish booting05:27
fluffmanit may take up to 5 or 10 minutes05:27
fluffmanto see the progress, press ctrl+alt+f105:27
AmyRoseInsanity^: If you're really paranoid, you can do a CD defect check too05:27
Insanity^AmyRose, the md5 checks out:D05:28
Insanity^Would my video card matter?05:28
Insanity^I run a newer nVidia card.05:28
fluffmanyou don't have the drivers yet05:28
fluffmaninstall, then it should work05:28
Insanity^That's the thing, I can't install.05:28
AmyRoseInsanity^: If you can't get the normal one working, try the Alternate CD05:28
Insanity^Every time I try to install, it just hangs at a black screen.05:28
fluffmanare you sure it's hanging?05:29
AmyRoseInsanity^: The Alternate CD does it in text mode05:29
Insanity^I'm pretty sure. I left it for about 10 minutes.05:29
fluffmanpress ctrl+alt+f1 and see where it's hangin at05:29
fluffmanor if it is at all05:29
Insanity^Alright. I'm going to download the alternate first, and try that.05:30
Insanity^What's the text command to install it?05:30
AmyRoseInsanity^: Nothing05:30
Insanity^Oh. It's just a text-based version instead of a GUI?05:30
AmyRoseInsanity^: Just do the same thing as with the normal CD, but it will take you to a text mode installer05:30
AmyRoseInsanity^: The end result is the same: a KDE desktop05:31
Insanity^Oh, I realize that.05:31
AmyRoseIt just works with more video hardware05:31
fluffmanInsanity^: seriously, try ctrl + alt + f1 first to see if you computer is even trying to read the CD05:31
Insanity^I'm reasonably computer literate, Linux just stumps me.05:31
fluffmanmake sure it's the graphics card05:31
Insanity^I'll go try that now.05:31
AmyRoseInsanity^: Yeah, it does that to everybody at first05:31
Insanity^Thanks, by the way.05:31
AmyRoseyou're welcome, Insanity^05:31
Insanity^I've always loved the Linux community ;)05:31
Les_CaesarsI just installed kubuntu on an ubuntu installation. It uses metacity for the window decorations on compiz, which I like. But I don't like the color. Where do I change that?05:31
AmyRoseInsanity^: So do I. :)05:31
Insanity^In case I do get it working, what's a good Linux compatible IRC client?05:32
[[Charlie]]Kay ooh boo too.05:32
Insanity^Because I'm a bit of an IRC addict.05:32
AmyRoseInsanity^: Konversation05:32
Dr_willisuses metacity for window decoration? Hmm.. compiz replaces metacity i thouight.05:32
[[Charlie]]!offtopic | [[Charlie]]05:32
fluffmanI use pidgin05:32
[[Charlie]]I use Xchat05:32
Dr_willisYou can set up emerald and emerald thenmes to change things, L(05:32
AmyRoseInsanity^: Kubuntu comes with Konversation :)05:32
jimI like xchat too.05:32
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion05:32
Insanity^Alright, thanks for the advice. Be abck soon hopefully.05:32
Dr_willishas details on emerald :)05:32
VelvetHogProblem: This is a fresh install. The very first I tried to do is install the restricted nvidia driver via the handy wizard. I restart and get a black screen ("frequency out of range") instead of the graphical Kubuntu logon screen. I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to set my driver back to nv and noticed that it IS detecting my graphics card and monitor correctly.05:34
VelvetHogI searched around and found a few people experiencing the same problem, but no solution05:34
fluffmanVelvetHog: do you know your refresh rate?05:35
fluffmanmaybe it's on your monitor05:35
CPrgmSwR2Does anyone know how distrowatch rates distros because PCLinuxOS is on top which seems odd?05:36
Les_CaesarsI just installed Kickoff, and it doesn't show any recent applications05:36
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: still around?05:36
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fluffmanif you do, reinstall the nvidia driver, then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set the refresh rate manually05:36
Gun_Smokeor anyone point me in the right direction of kcontrol-startup05:36
VelvetHogDoes that matter for LCDs?05:36
fluffmanInsanity^: what's the verdict?05:37
Lam_how do i get adept to lock a package to a specifically installed version so that it doesn't attempt to check for upgrades on it?05:37
fluffmanVelvetHog: yes05:37
Les_CaesarsCPrgmSwR2: I think it's by clicks.05:37
fluffmanI had problem like that once05:37
Insanity^(fluffman): It didn't work. It didn't display anything05:37
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Les_CaesarsCPrgmSwR2: perhaps PCLinuxOSs fans are very obsessed05:37
fluffmansounds like a CD problem, Insanity^05:37
DaSkreechInsanity^: welcome to Kubuntu!05:38
frank23CPrgmSwR2: I think its just clicks at distrowatch05:38
CPrgmSwR2okay thnx05:38
DaSkreechLes_Caesars: Emerald?05:38
Insanity^fluffman, i've burned like 3 dvds. I've burned Kubuntu, Ubuntu, and the alternate version of Kubuntu05:38
Insanity^fluffman, all the md5s checked out. they all hang at the same point.05:38
LEE986321Yahoo ya...gots the restircted drivers to work yahoo yippeee yahoo yay05:38
Insanity^I think it's a video problem.05:38
Insanity^dvds. and the CD version of Kubuntu05:38
fluffmanwhat's on the screen when it hangs?05:38
blauzahlif i'm trying to upgrade, am i supposed to still have older version lines in my apt.sources file? ie dusty or whatever?05:39
CPrgmSwR2Insanity^: did you install kubuntu through the textmode installation?05:39
Insanity^there's a cursor in the top left for about 3 seconds, then nothing. it's just black.05:39
fluffmanctrl alt f1 should show SOMETHING that isn't loading right05:39
Insanity^CPrgmSwR2, I'm trying that as soon as it finishes05:39
CPrgmSwR2Insanity^: how old is your computer?05:39
Insanity^fluffman, i think it's a display error.05:39
fluffmanInsanity^: go ahead and try the text I guess05:39
Insanity^CPrgmSwR2, my computer is less than 6 months old.05:39
CPrgmSwR2what graphics card?05:40
* LEE986321 does happy celtic joy full dance05:40
xehnidaKopete always claims my passwd is wrong despite is correct05:40
LEE986321ati x30005:40
Insanity^nvidia 8800 gts05:40
LEE986321had to go into vessa mode05:40
Insanity^I just have to wait for the text based to finish downloading.05:40
LEE986321eh vesa mode05:40
blauzahllike if i'm trying to go from feisty to gutsy?05:40
CPrgmSwR2Insanity^: its on the dvd05:40
Insanity^I'll go try that then05:40
DaSkreechCPrgmSwR2: page clicks05:41
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: Yeah05:41
VelvetHogOkay, it looks like 75hz is the max refresh rate (the monitor is a Viewsonic VX2025wm)05:41
AmyRoseLEE986321: Ouch, VESA is slow...05:41
fluffmanVelvetHog: try 6005:42
fluffmanthen 7505:42
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: I seem to be compleatly lost with kcontrol-autostart..05:42
Gun_SmokeI have the package...05:42
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: What are you doing with that?05:42
LEE986321i know but... its a bug in thsystem05:42
Les_Caesarsugh! this is so annoying. My desktop cube has three sides. How do I change it?05:43
LEE986321AmyRose its either taht or black screen05:43
fluffmanLes_Caesars: there's a cube setting that lets you change the horizontal desktop value from 3 to 405:44
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: Well I would like to set up superkaramba, and have it start upon login.05:44
LEE986321AmyRose thres a bug un the 64  bit system that dissalows the ati drivers in any way shape or format to run05:44
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: You have the package? A .deb?05:44
VelvetHogI'm looking through /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I see this: HorizSync 30-82, and VertRefresh 50-7505:44
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: The way I would have gDesklets launch.05:44
Les_Caesarsthanks fluffman05:44
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: Yes, and installed.05:45
RabidDog_Is KvIRC used for webcam configurations?05:45
Gun_Smokevia adpet05:45
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: And it doesn't show up on Kcontrol ?05:45
LEE986321they really need to fix it as it is with 64 bits usining the ati card05:45
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: I have been looking in the wrong place for ~50min now.. It's there.. Thanks.  I think I need some sleep.05:47
AmyRoseLEE986321: Then I'm glad I have a 32-bit CPU with NVidia05:47
LEE986321AmyRose yeah, i really had no choice in the matter this time around05:48
AmyRoseLEE986321: Oh, because AMD owns ATI?:05:48
RabidDog_Are there any other good (non command line) chat clients besides Konversation for Kbuntu?05:48
AmyRoseI mean pwns :P05:48
LEE986321AmyRose i am guessing so05:48
fluffmanbai...need 2 sleep05:49
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: Sorry thought the name might tip you off05:49
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: Well it should have.. But I'm new to kde.  Thanks though.05:50
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: and if you google kcontrol-autostart you get pretty much bug tracking info only..05:50
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: Sorry about the misunderstanding05:50
RabidDog_noobcakes, is that meant for use with a webcam?05:50
LEE986321AmyRose i wonder why th e   vessa bug  and why they havnt corrected the kernal?05:52
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n00bcakesno, its an irc client05:53
LEE986321AmyRose one would think that the up date tey had that would have been taken care of05:53
n00bcakesif you want general purpose chat client w/ webcam check out Kopete05:53
CPrgmSwR2Konversation rocks as an irc client05:54
AmyRoseLEE986321: ?05:54
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RabidDog_noobcakes: Thank you!  Just wanted a normal chat client alternative to Konversation.05:54
AmyRosestevebb: Are you George or Steve? O_o05:54
stevebbneither... how did you get those?  I was trying to get a nick and did those?05:55
LEE986321AmyRose itd ben like this in fiesty as well as gutsy05:55
stevebbI've got a problem that I talk about in the kubuntuforum but no help seems to be forthcoming05:56
charlie5after upgrading yesterday, and applying a fresh set of updates this morning, adept-manager is saying that 'a new distribution version is available', and offering a button to do the 'version upgrade' ... is this normal ?05:56
AmyRosestevebb: Oh, that's nice. :P05:56
Dr_willischarlie5,  its a known bugglet.. ignore it. :)05:56
AmyRoseLEE986321: Sorry, but you're confusing me05:56
stevebbin my adept-manager manage repositories, I am not getting the buttons, rather a list of my sources.list like I have Edgy version installed05:57
stevebball versions of the software including dependencies are corrct but I am getting this behavior and can't upgrade to Gutsy unless I use the DVD05:57
LEE986321sorry 2 chats , one game and this......I have ried Ubuntu 64 bit fiesty...same thing black screen of death, then I tried gutsy with the same result05:57
charlie5Dr_willis: ah, thanks :) ... kubu is going fine after the upgrade ... best of all my usb hard drive is behaving now (not dismounting itself every 5 mins)05:57
LEE986321AmyRose then some sent me a thing aobu tthe bug.05:58
DaSkreechstevebb: install software-properties-kde05:58
stevebbwhat is that?05:58
stevebbDaSkreech: what is that?05:58
AmyRosestevebb: It's a package05:58
stevebbright.. what does it do?05:59
DaSkreechstevebb: to get the right view of repos in adept05:59
Roeyhey all06:00
Roeyso question about Goatse Gibbon06:00
* DaSkreech blinks06:01
Roey- has the xresprobe problem fixed yet?06:01
Roey*been fixed yet06:01
Les_Caesarslol @ Roey06:01
Roeyor will it be fixed in Horny Hardon?06:01
stevebbDaSkreech: ah, cool very cool... thank you... that might have done the trick... I'm installing it now...06:01
RoeyLes_Caesars:   %-)06:01
DaSkreechstevebb: Welcome06:02
stevebbDaSkreech: thanks much... that seems to have done it... now, all I have to do is just set recommended updates and then I should be able to upgrade to gutsy?06:02
DaSkreechand propsed I think06:02
DaSkreechread the upgrade notes :)06:02
stevebbRight... thanks again...06:03
ErtainHello everyone.  I just updated to Gutsy (more or less; had to start it and stop it a couple of times) and every time I start up my "udevd" is using all of the CPU.  Any ideas as to why this is happening?06:05
dcossonanyone had any issues with external USB hard drives not automounting since updating to gutsy?06:07
LEE986321eh guys i have a strange occurence06:07
stevebbDaSkreech: I do not see a button for "Proposed updates" and I am not getting the upgrade wizard.06:08
DaSkreechare you up to date /06:08
LEE986321guys I downloaded xine ok..its not in the multi media but when I execute it a player pops up06:08
stevebbDaSkreech: yes...06:08
the-ermLEE986321: vertical lines?06:09
DaSkreechstevebb: and following http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade ?06:09
DaSkreechErtain: How long does it do that?06:09
LEE986321eh let me re phrase that06:09
LEE986321there is no xine in  my icon thing but I can execute it in the black box06:10
Dr_willissome times the menus dont get updated as you install things06:10
ErtainDaSkreech: Last night it did it for a long time.  Had to kill "udevd".06:10
LEE986321the-erm none taht I cna see06:10
Dr_willisthey will once ya log out/back in06:10
stevebbDaSkreech: I have that page open right now and I don't see the Proposed updates repository... also I don't understand what this page means by "Version upgrade" button?  I don'' see that either06:11
DaSkreechstevebb: try close adept and then reopen it  and fetch updates06:11
DaSkreechstevebb: If that doesn't work then alt=F2 -> adept_manager --version-upgrade06:12
stevebbDaSkreech: ok...  I think I did just that, but I'll do it again to make sure... thanks for the help06:12
LEE986321I get this  folowing line06:12
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LEE986321This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5. (c) 2000-2007 The xine Team. AFD changed from -2 to -106:13
Gun_SmokeMan I couldn't stand Kopote...06:13
Les_Caesarshow do I configure metacity? The blue on the window decorations is REALLY annoying me06:14
Les_Caesars(using compiz)06:14
Dr_willisLes_Caesars,  use emerald and the emerald theme manager tool06:14
Dr_willisI dont think you are using 'metacity' technicially06:15
Dr_willisthe !compiz factoid gives info on setting up emerald and the emerald-theme-manager06:15
trixonHi, Im running 7.10 installed from a cd. I just installed todays updates and now Im offered a version upgrade to UBUNTU, anyone knows whats going on?06:16
Gun_Smoketrixon: Through Adapt?06:16
Dr_willistrixon,  its a bug. ignore it06:16
DaSkreechtrixon: what's the concern?06:17
Gun_Smokeyeah got that too..06:17
DaSkreechOh Ubuntu ?06:17
DaSkreechinstead of Kubuntu ?06:17
trixonDaSkreech> the concers is that I dont want UBUNTU, and there cant be any version upgrade06:17
Gun_SmokeDaSkreech: On Kubuntu06:17
DaSkreechYeah they live on the same servers and Kubuntu is a second class citizen :)06:17
trixonOk, I'll ignore that one06:18
DaSkreech the servers can' distinguish between kubuntu and ubuntu06:18
Gun_SmokeI have a full upgrade available06:18
posingaspopulartrixon: def. an ignorable bug06:18
stevebbDaSkreech: ok... more problems... running it as my limited user means that the upgrade doesn't execute, right?  alt-F2 runs it in the context of the limited user logged on, and I should not have to log on as root to KDE to do this, no?06:18
DaSkreechJust Feisty and gutsy06:18
DaSkreechSo they just assume everyone is looking for the ubuntu announcement06:18
DaSkreech it will only give you KDE packages if you only ask for those :)06:18
Dr_willisstevebb,  just do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'06:18
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: Bug. Sorry about that :)06:19
stevebbDaSkreech: but if I do sudo adept_manager --version-update, I get: "cannot verify key"06:19
stevebbDr_willis: without using adept_manager?06:19
DaSkreechstevebb: ack kdesu adept_manager --version-upgrade06:19
DaSkreech!kdesu | stevebb06:19
ubotustevebb: In KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use « sudo <GUI application> »; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo06:19
Dr_willisstevebb,  thers dozen ways of updateing. :)06:19
stevebbthere we go... kdesu was the problem... thanks all06:21
DaSkreechDr_willis: dozens?06:21
Dr_willis1000000000000000's :)06:21
Dr_willisok.. i can think of like 506:21
phasiowhen i want the bootup and the ttys to have a better resolution i add "vga=788" in grub. in gutsy this doesn't seem to work. i am pretty much sure it's because of the "vga" option because when i delete it i have my consoles back, but with a horrible resolution. what do i do?06:23
judgenis there a way to get ubuntu-human like scrollbars and progressbars in kde?06:23
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DaSkreechDr_willis: maybe we should do it in Perl :)06:23
posingaspopulardo it in fortran06:24
posingaspopularaka the only real programming language06:25
DaSkreechposingaspopular: No06:25
DaSkreechnaughts and crosses is the only real programming language06:25
Dr_willis!info moo06:25
ubotuPackage moo does not exist in gutsy06:25
danielvirashey guys, how you doing?06:26
UnluckyMikegotta question, when I try to change the volume via keyboard, it only switches between 11% and 0% but the volume isn't effected. Also the mute button won't mute. I already mapped them to the leyboard any ideas?06:26
posingaspopularDaSkreech: im sorry, i dont play d and d, i dont know what that is06:26
danielvirasI upgraded to gutsy, and compiz fusion dissappeared, anyoe has any idea why this happened?06:26
posingaspopular!hi |  danielviras06:26
ubotudanielviras: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!06:26
danielviraskubuntu rules!06:26
Naxahi i have a kubuntu installation but lost grub from MBR. now I started the install cd how can I restore mz grub? the installation is on /dev/sda306:26
posingaspopular!grub | Naxa06:27
ubotuNaxa: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto06:27
phasiowhen i want the bootup and the ttys to have a better resolution i add "vga=788" in grub. in gutsy this doesn't seem to work. i am pretty much sure it's because of the "vga" option because when i delete it i have my consoles back, but with a horrible resolution. what do i do?06:27
danielvirasso... does anyone know how can I restore my compiz fusion?06:27
Naxaok thank you i will check! but actually there is no working operating system since windows installation failed06:28
judgenpolyester is great looking but i would prefer human.. is there a kde style that looks like human somewhere... ive been looking at kde-look for ages... cant find one with scróllbars and progressbars that looks like ubuntu06:28
Gun_SmokeI'm trying to add some system monitor to my desktop.. Now installing lm_sensors straight forward for kubuntu?06:29
DaSkreech!info lm_sensors06:29
ubotuPackage lm_sensors does not exist in gutsy06:29
Gun_SmokeThat kills a lot doesn't it..06:29
dystopianray!info lm-sensors06:30
ubotulm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.10.4-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 496 kB, installed size 1520 kB06:30
danielvirashey, I can't use compiz manager, it closes right after it opens, anyone knows why?06:30
Gun_SmokeWhat do we use in it's place?  Still waiting?06:30
DaSkreechGun_Smoke: ^^^06:30
DaSkreechI'm a dimwit06:30
Gun_Smokedystopianray: must be why I couldn't find it..  _ for - lol06:31
Gun_Smokeback to my project.. I'm getting distracted easily tonight...06:32
ErtainOkay, I've fixed the "udved" problem.  Now every time I update my database with Adept it keeps saying a new version is available, yet I'm already up to Gutsy.06:32
Insanity^Is there anyone here that helped me earlier?06:32
Dr_willisdepends on what the probloem was. :)06:34
Insanity^Well, I was in here earlier and I was having trouble installing Kubuntu 7.10. The install CD boots, but when I try to install the OS, my screen just goes black. They suggested to use a text-based install. I did that, but now when the OS loads it leaves me at the same black screen.06:34
Insanity^Could it be my video card?06:34
Dr_williswhat is your video card?06:35
Insanity^It's an nVidia 8800 gts06:35
Insanity^So, relatively new.06:35
phasiowhen i want the bootup and the ttys to have a better resolution i add "vga=788" in grub. in gutsy this doesn't seem to work. i am pretty much sure it's because of the "vga" option because when i delete it i have my consoles back, but with a horrible resolution. what do i do?06:35
Dr_willisthats odd.. I got an 8800gts and it works fine..06:35
Insanity^it just doesn't seem to be displaying.06:35
Dr_willisInsanity^,  AHA!.. you got only 1 monitor hooked up? power down. Mvoe the  cable to the OTHER monitor conector on the card.06:36
Insanity^the hard drive is doing SOMETHING.06:36
Insanity^do you think i have it on my secondary?06:36
LEE986321well its supose to do something06:36
Dr_willisInsanity^,  i recall it defaulting to the other dvi conector for me06:36
LEE986321Amarok rocks06:36
Dr_willisInsanity^,   i use 2 monitors..06:36
Insanity^willis, if this works (and you'll know in like 5minutes when I boot the OS) i'll love you forever.06:37
Dr_willis:) i remberhaving to switch them around.06:37
Insanity^i see.06:37
Insanity^i'll be back in a second then.06:37
Dr_willisi dont think switching the cables with the power on - is a good idea.. could try it i guess ;)06:37
dystopianrayswapping monitor cables shouldn't be a problem06:38
Dr_willisdystopianray,  well ive notcied that nvida cards might not 'see' the swap if they were powered up woth no cable attatched06:38
Dr_willisat least that what seems to happen with TV out  for me.  and some other nvidia cards06:39
dystopianrayah yeah well they may have issues like that06:39
LEE986321well i have open gl graphics06:39
Dr_willisi also noticed that with JUST a tv hooked up. the nvidia cards will default to the tv out. :) which is handy06:40
Dr_willisthey try to be smart.. but sadly some times with 2 monitors it gets backwards.06:40
Dr_willisrigth now GDM shows up on the wrong (left side) monitor.. KDM shows up on the proper one. :)06:40
Dr_williskde starts up and the splash is on the left monitor.. but the desktop loads on the right side one . heh06:41
tazzhey i am trying to install kde4 in kubuntu. I followed the instructions at http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php but it dosnt seem to be working. Any idea what could be wrong?06:41
Insanity^Dr_willis; it didn't work. It doesn't even work on my VGA monitor.06:44
Insanity^It's just not displaying06:44
neilI'm trying to hook up an external hard drive via USB, but it keeps coming up as Read-only (Root is the user and group, and in permissions, all it has is View permission for owner)06:44
Dr_willisInsanity^,  does the console work? 'alt-ctrl-f1' ?06:46
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LEE986321well i been playing with translucencey and havn't any errors..ewartating06:46
MorgwyrDr_willis; not at all06:46
MorgwyrDr_willis; it looks like it just doesn't display video.06:47
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  thats very very odd..06:47
Morgwyrshould i roll back to feisty and update?06:47
Morgwyrshould i try the alt disc?06:47
Dr_willisThis was on a clean isntall? or a upgrade?06:47
Morgwyrclean install.06:47
sub[t]rnltty's not displaying?06:47
sub[t]rnlcli's outside of the xserver06:47
sub[t]rnljust trying to catch up06:48
Morgwyri don't know what the acronyms mean.06:48
Dr_willisYou see the grub menu however? lets get clear on exactkt wgats going on. :) for sub[t]rnl06:48
Morgwyri see the grub06:48
Morgwyri choose linux kernel 7.10, and then it hangs.06:48
sub[t]rnli ran into this, check to see if your passing any vga= in the menu.lst06:48
sub[t]rnlif he's on gutsy's default kernel06:48
Dr_willis8800gts video card. The Live CD gave black screen.. the ALternative install worked. but boots to black screen.06:48
Morgwyrjust like it did when i was trying to install the OS (i did a text based isntall and it fixed that)06:48
Gun_SmokeCan someone tell me why I'm getting this?  ./mkdev.sh: line 30: syntax error: unexpected end of file   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41475/   I'm trying to follow this how-to.06:49
Dr_willissub[t]rnl,  yea. i was about to suggest editing the grub entry and have 'vga=ask' or use 'nofb' and disable   the framebuffer totally06:49
* sub[t]rnl nods06:49
Morgwyrheh. you'll have to expound there.06:49
sub[t]rnlfor some reason the framebuffer with the kernel is screwey06:49
Morgwyrlinux semi-newbie06:49
Dr_willisat the grub menu you can hit 'e' and edit the grub boot line/options06:49
Morgwyrshould i add something to the boot command line?06:49
DaSkreechnight all!06:50
Dr_willisdelete the vga=whatever part and add in 'nofb'06:50
Morgwyrand that should fix it?06:50
Morgwyrwhat exactly does it do?06:50
Morgwyr(sorry to ask so many questions. i'm just curious.)06:50
sub[t]rnlit will stop a framebuffer (vesab) and you'll...06:50
sub[t]rnlsee.. stuff..06:50
Dr_willissimiler to  kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=91c4c158-95c4-45cd-af01-78039aaf0218 ro quiet nosplash nofb06:50
Dr_willisnofb = No framebuffer06:50
Morgwyrso it'll be -nofb at the end?06:51
Dr_willisNo.. it will be 'nofb' :)06:51
shakeyon my other computer, i upgraded to 7.10, and then set up kde4 beta 3, it was very broke06:51
Morgwyrthanks :D06:51
shakeyhas anyone else tried the kde beta?06:51
Dr_willisonce ya can get to a terminal - you can install the nvidia-glx drivers from the terminal :)06:51
sub[t]rnli hope the kernel team gets this sorted out before too long06:52
* shakey cries06:52
Dr_willisHmm it worked fine for my 8800gtsxxx06:52
shakeydang son, u got the 8800gts, u dont play around!06:52
Lam_Dr_willis: what does "quiet" do?06:52
sub[t]rnlgutsy's default kernel?06:52
Dr_willisLam_,  some sort of kernel error/info messages06:52
Lam_Dr_willis: ahh. ok thanks06:53
Dr_willison a gutsy clean install.. No hassles. ;)06:53
shakeyso no one else here has tried the kde4 beta?06:53
sub[t]rnl:) basically the same here06:53
sub[t]rnlbut you don't really get hassles when you've been in linux long enough06:53
shakeysub[t]rnl: how long is that?06:53
sub[t]rnli was using debian in 9406:53
shakeyoic...so thats 13 years...i got about 1 solid year...06:54
sub[t]rnlwell, I dropped off the map for a while06:54
sub[t]rnlnow all of a sudden, the eye candy is mind blowing06:54
sub[t]rnland the people that were using linux for anti-gui, have a different tune06:54
* shakey loves cli06:54
* sub[t]rnl loves gui now06:54
shakeyyea, its cool, but i dont like it for my laptop06:55
shakeyon my pc though, its great, my 7900gt handles it like a champ06:55
tininWhy dont I get a notification about a new version avaliable? I enabled all repos yet07:00
Dr_willistinin,  try an sudo apt-get update   and sudo apt-get upgrade07:02
tininmmmm done07:02
tininWhile upgrading to Kubuntu 7.10 why do I need pre-released updates to do the upgrade?07:04
Dr_willisi never upgrade. i always do clean installs...07:05
Dr_willisso no idea.07:05
shakeyDr_willis: did u try the kde beta?07:06
tininDr_willis well Id like to maintain my config, but feisty is beeing buggy these last few weeks07:07
Dr_willisi aint going to botyher with the kde beta for a while. :)07:07
ccshenexcuse me, after upgrating to 7.10,my kaffeine Can't init new Video Driver opengl. what happened?07:07
tininmmmm too many errors for kubuntu? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyComments07:07
sub[t]rnlagreed Dr_willis07:08
sub[t]rnlccshen: whats the exact error it gives07:08
Dr_willistinin,  i always keep /home on its own HD. so updating is much easier. :)07:08
Dr_williswell clean installs are much easier. :)07:08
dystopianrayccshen: what video card do you have?07:09
dystopianrayccshen: sounds like you no longer have opengl acceleration07:09
ccshenintel 94507:09
ccsheni've installed 915resolution07:10
dystopianrayccshen: you don't need 915resolution in gutsy07:10
tininDr_willis I usually do them too, I just wanted to try to upgrade, as I haavve installed it to ome friends and I was expecting kubuntu to upgrade by itself07:10
dystopianrayccshen: set kaffeine to use the xv video output07:10
ccshenbut xv still have problems-- it seems too gray07:11
MorgwyrDr_willis unfortunately, that didn't work either. i tried nofb and even vga=ask, but neither one worked.07:11
ccshenso it could be sovled after i uninstalled the 915 resolution07:11
Morgwyrit tells me the kernel is alive, says another line about the kernel, and then goes black.07:11
FireTekhey... can anyone tell me why kubuntu takes 600mb+ memory on fresh install with nothing running and does not use any swap?07:12
dystopianrayccshen: 915resolution does nothing in gutsy07:12
dystopianrayFireTek: how much of that is disk cache?07:12
Morgwyrwhat's 915 resolution?07:12
sub[t]rnlFireTek: check to see if its buffered or cache07:12
dystopianrayMorgwyr: it changes bios video modes07:12
ccshento dystopianray: ok ,i will try it.07:12
Dr_willis915 - is for Intel video cards07:12
Morgwyrnah, i have an nvidia.07:12
sub[t]rnlsudo apt-get install htop <-- nice program07:12
dystopianrayFireTek: pastebin the output of 'free -m'07:13
Morgwyrany ideas now Dr_willis07:13
Dr_willisNope. got a spare video card? :) got an onboard video?07:13
Morgwyrshould i to ubuntu about this?07:13
Morgwyri've tried it on a vga monitor already, and my spare video card.07:13
Morgwyri have a spare nvidia 7800, which is old enough to be supporte.d07:13
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  wait,. this is affecting 2 different video cards then> what was the 2nd one?07:13
Dr_willisSame exact deal eh?07:13
Morgwyrsame exact thing.07:14
Dr_willissounding more like a motherboard/pcie issue now.07:14
Morgwyri have a pretty old motherboard too.07:14
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  try some other live cd's (different disrtos) see if it affects them also.07:14
Morgwyrthe motherboard is from the christmas before last.07:15
Dr_willisPuppyLinux is a nice light/fast download.07:15
Morgwyrwhat would be a comparable distro?07:15
dystopianrayFireTek: it is using 191MB of ram, with 400+MB of disk cache07:15
Morgwyri don't mind a large download.07:15
Morgwyrwell, for troubleshooting i don't even need a big one.07:15
Dr_willisPuppylinux is worth keeping in the toolbox. :)07:15
Dr_willisThe Gparted Live cd is handy also.07:15
FireTekdystopianray: why does it show almost 70007:16
FireTekhow do i clear disk cashe07:16
shakeyhow do you pastebin?07:16
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:16
Morgwyrwhich version should i get?07:16
Morgwyrthere are so many.07:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:17
shakeyfree -m | pastebin07:17
dystopianrayFireTek: why do you want to clear your disk cache?07:17
FireTekbecause its using all my memory07:17
juanhello! i have just reinstalled kubuntu 7.10 nd i would like to know where to change the login screen07:17
FireTeki only have a gig07:17
dystopianrayFireTek: that's suppsoed to happen07:17
FireTekmy lappy is lagging like hell07:17
FireTekits a duo core07:17
FireTekgig of ram07:17
dystopianrayFireTek: that isn't anything to do with the memory usage07:18
FireTekwhy the lag07:18
dystopianrayFireTek: run 'top' and see what is using the cpu07:18
MorgwyrDr_willis; should i get the 3.01retro-k2 version?07:18
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion07:18
FireTekit shows the most anything is using is 2.5%07:19
zero1hi people, correct me if i'm wrong but, gutsy doesn't seem to require me to enter my password (for root privs) as much as feisty.  what is this new thing it's using?07:19
dystopianrayFireTek: in what way is it lagging?07:20
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  yea whatevers the latest.. 3,01  i think came out alst week07:20
ubotuUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents07:20
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  its like under 100mb i think. :)07:20
MorgwyrDr_willis; what does the retro mean, though? it's the one i'm downloading.07:20
FireTekwhile scrooling webpages, opening apps ect.07:20
Dr_willisNo idea :)07:20
FireTekjust real sluggish07:21
dystopianrayFireTek: what video card do you have?07:21
FireTekbah.. ATI built in07:21
FireTeknot sure what exact model07:21
juananuone know how to change the login screen?07:21
dystopianrayFireTek: are you using the radeon or fglrx driver?07:21
Dr_willischange what on the login screen.07:21
Dr_willisthers kdm themes and a theme manager for it07:21
Dr_willis!find kdm07:21
ubotuFound: kdm, kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme07:21
FireTekwhatever it installed07:21
FireTeki have not changed anything07:22
ccsheni've uninstalled 915resolution. however, the kaffeine still doesn't support opengl, and my screen resolution can only be set to 1024x768(normally is 1280x800)07:22
FireTekkubuntu did not even recognize my sound07:22
dystopianrayccshen: 915resolution is not needed for gutsy07:22
juani would like to change the login screen completely, add anew one, Dr_willis07:22
FireTekI have to patch it whenever i install it07:22
dystopianrayccshen: use 'xv' instead of opengl for video output07:22
FireTekdystopianray: any ideas whats causing it07:24
ccshento dystopianray: but why my screen resolution can only be set to 1024x768 after removing that?it seems so blurred07:24
dystopianrayFireTek: no, sorry07:24
dystopianrayccshen: you'll need to fix your xorg.conf07:25
FireTekbah... i think Gateways suck!07:25
MorgwyrDr_willis; if puppylinux works, what then?07:25
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  well its some basic troubleshooting07:25
MorgwyrDr_willis; not to be a hassle, but if i get that to work, can i come back here and if you're around get some ideas?07:26
ccshento dystopianray:        SubSection "Display"07:26
ccshen                Depth           2407:26
ccshen                Modes           "1280x800"07:26
ccshen        EndSubSection07:26
ccshen 07:26
dystopianrayccshen: you are using the 'intel' driver and not 'i810' right?07:26
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  its 3 am here. I wont be here much longer07:26
MorgwyrDr_willis; alright. i'll try to figure it out, then. :D07:26
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  if it does work.. well it sounds like a kernel/motherboard oddity07:26
sub[t]rnl!kdmtheme | juan07:27
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:27
ccshenyes. s07:27
Morgwyri think if it does i'll try feisty and upgrade, Dr_willis.07:27
sub[t]rnljuan: sudo apt-get install kdetheme, then go to kontrol _> system adminestration -> KDM Theme to change it07:27
dystopianrayccshen: grep /var/log/Xorg.0.log for 1280x800 and pastebin it07:27
Dr_willisMorgwyr,  if Feisty worked.. and GUtsy dont.. well.. thats another interesting tip.07:28
Morgwyrwell, i've had ubuntu dapper on this before.07:28
Morgwyrnot this video card granted, but same mobo.07:29
ccshento dystopianray:(II) I810(0): PanelID returned panel resolution : 1280x80007:29
ccshen(II) I810(0): DDCModeFromDetailedTiming: 1280x800 Warning: We only handle seperate sync.07:29
ccshen(II) I810(0): Modeline "1280x800"   71.11  1280 1328 1360 1440  800 803 809 823 -hsync -vsync07:29
ccshen(II) I810(0): Modeline "1280x800"   59.26  1280 1328 1360 1440  800 803 809 823 -hsync -vsync07:29
ccshen(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)07:29
ccshen 07:29
MorgwyrDr_willis, which is why i want to try feisty.07:29
dystopianrayccshen: you are using 'i810', you should be using the 'intel' driver07:29
juansub[t]rnl thanks07:30
ccshento dystopianray: excuse me, i don't know how to do it.07:30
dystopianrayccshen: change i810 to intel in xorg.conf07:30
jonnaAnyone else having problem with kde-window-decorator crashing every now and then?07:32
FireTekdystopianray: is there different drivers for my ati card that work better07:32
dystopianrayFireTek: no idea07:32
ccshento dystopianray: you means change Driver string "i810" to "intel", that's ok?07:32
dystopianrayccshen: yes07:32
FireTekwhat is ubiquity07:33
FireTekwhat is ubiquity.. anyone know?07:35
dystopianrayFireTek: it is the unbuntu installer07:35
ashfaqHelp me with vm server for kubuntu gutsy please!07:40
ashfaqHow should I start and succeed installing xp or vista I have both the cds, as most of my programs work on windows until I have full grip of kubuntu07:41
Les_CaesarsIs there a way to make compiz use Kwin instead of metacity for my window decorator?07:41
sub[t]rnlLes_Caesars: kde doesn't use metacity07:42
Les_Caesarssub[t]rnl: but my compiz, in KDE does.07:43
ashfaqWell some one for me07:43
sub[t]rnl!windows | ashfaq07:43
ubotuashfaq: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents07:43
ashfaqDear I want to use virtual machine to be used in kubuntu ok07:44
Les_Caesarsashfaq: just so you know we're not ignoring you. I'd help you, but I don't know how to set up a virtual machine07:45
sub[t]rnlLes_Caesars: compiz uses compiz for window compositing. edit your ~/.bashrc and add export KDWM=whateveryouwantfordefault07:45
djdarkmandoes someone knows a good folder synchronizing program?07:45
ashfaqThats the main thing, I heard about virtual machines, and you can use it in kubuntu but how and where to get, that is what I need, kubuntu as I had installed and got the feel is not a a complete windows like distro for a new bee like me for the present07:47
Les_Caesarssub[t]rnl: you don't understand. My borders. You know. Buttons that manipulate the window. How the title bar works. It uses Metacity. It's not an emerald theme. It's metacity. How do I change that?07:48
sub[t]rnlstart->settings->emerald theme manager07:48
sub[t]rnlsudo apt-get install emerald if its not there07:49
Les_CaesarsI don't want emerald. I want to change window decorators. Compiz allows you to choose window decorators. In previous flavors of Ubuntu, I've had the option to choose Kwin, metacity, and emerald.07:50
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LynoureI upgraded to gutsy before beta and now Adept is telling me there is a new version and that I should upgrade... what should I do?07:50
LEE986321eh ok how can i tell if i am 32 or 64, i got my disks mesed up07:51
sub[t]rnlemerald is the window decorator for compiz, it allows you to change themes, et cetra07:51
coteyruname -m07:51
Dr_willisLes_Caesars,  no idea on that. I just know that to change4 the kde window deco. I install emerald.07:51
coteyrLEE; uname -m07:52
Dr_willispreviou flavors of ubuntu used beryl - not the compiz-fusion.07:52
sub[t]rnlwell, kubuntu used beryl right07:52
sub[t]rnlcompiz was the gnome varient07:52
Les_CaesarsIt was still compiz in 7.04 though07:52
coteyrok so I ran update manager and my box crashed at around 80% of installing the packages. How can I recover07:52
LEE986321ok i am running i8607:52
Dr_williswell im out of here.  Night all.07:53
sub[t]rnlnight dr07:53
coteyrlee; sounds 32 to me i have amd86_6407:53
Les_Caesarssub[t]rnl: no. They are completely independent. it went like this:07:53
Les_Caesarscompiz was popular. Everyone used it.07:53
Les_CaesarsCompiz was outshined by Beryl. Everyone used that.07:53
Les_Caesarscompiz and beryl merge. Everyone uses compiz now.07:53
LEE986321ok  now if this serves me right all i need to do in this version is activate my drivers an it should restart07:53
sub[t]rnlberyl fork, remerge of the two to compiz-fusion07:53
LynoureShould I upgrade again? Or can I somehow make it realize I already upgraded?07:53
LEE986321correct with out havig to change it to vesa07:54
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Les_Caesarsok. I have a more important problem. I have no "Recent applications" in kickoff07:54
sub[t]rnlkickoff is kde4's "kicker" right?07:55
sub[t]rnlnever used it07:55
sub[t]rnlLynoure: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade07:55
LEE986321ok...if i get the black screen of death i am hitting the hay lol07:55
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion07:55
Lynouresub[t]rnl: I have the latest versions already07:56
jonnaLynoure: I have same problem as you...07:56
Les_Caesarskickoff is what SUSE uses.07:56
Les_Caesarsand Sabayon07:56
Lynourejonna: it seems at the slightly later stage the system decided it was up-to-date after all07:56
sub[t]rnlLynoure: yeah, after running that command it should satisfy adept07:56
coteyrMy box crashed 80% of the way thru of a update-manager update. Now the system will bot but not in the recent kernel the apps seem to be there but apt notifier (or whatever it is) says i have a distro update pending. when I run it it says it is complet07:56
sub[t]rnlLes_Caesars: ah, ic07:56
coteyris there anyway i can recover?07:56
Lynouresub[t]rnl: Why? Should I report a bug in Adept, because for upgrading, apt-get dist-upgrade is strictly recommended against...07:57
coteyris there a way to recover07:57
coteyrsorry about the repeat07:57
sub[t]rnlLynoure: heh07:58
sub[t]rnlLynoure: just run the command, if your currently using the most current, nothing will happen07:58
sub[t]rnlLynoure: and your adept will be fixed, if not, you'll upgrade the packages that your missing, win win07:58
jonnaI still get the version upgrade after i do a "fetch updates" in adept manager. (after running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)07:59
Lynouresub[t]rnl: Still, sounds like a bug to me.07:59
sub[t]rnlits all over bug.launchpad and google07:59
LynoureWe had this same thing with dapper->edgy updates, I think08:00
jonnaWell.... it seems to be up to date so i guess it doesn't matter that much.08:00
sub[t]rnldon't let a little icon drive you crazy08:01
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LEE986321well it worked lol08:04
LEE986321but my monitor has an issue lol08:05
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DHQhow do i check my kubuntu version in linux08:16
sub[t]rnlDHQ: lsb_release -a08:16
DHQsub[t]rnl, what is this LSB Version:    core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-noarch:core-2.0-ia32:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.1-ia3208:18
sub[t]rnlnot sure what that is08:19
robotphoodanyone know how i can bind my mouse back/forward buttons to work in konqueror/dolphin08:19
DHQdolphin sux :( i love my konqueror as default08:20
robotphoodi prefer dolphin :P08:20
DHQrobotphood, y08:20
ernie_deanyone an idea, why my dist-upgrade dies silently after the download?08:20
DHQrobotphood, what so good in it08:20
robotphoodlight and does everything i need08:20
DHQrobotphood, you can open new tabs08:20
robotphoodwhat do you mean08:21
DHQwell in dolphine can you open new tabs08:21
lee_eh how do i enable comsite?08:21
jigersomone help me. my existing partion is not getting recognized and not loading though it exists08:21
lee_eh composite?08:21
jigerit is containing /usr08:22
mulanderhi all, I recently upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10 (according to the method listed on kubuntu.org). Now adept_notifier poped up with a regular update and after it finished a button labeled 'version upgrade' appeared next to the 'finish' button.08:22
jigerI have just upgraded from feisty -> gusty08:22
sub[t]rnl!fstab | jiger08:22
ubotujiger: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions08:22
mulandercan anyone tell me why I have this button active? (I already upgraded :> right?)08:22
sub[t]rnlmulander: its a bug08:23
jigerubotu:/usr with its original(as per feisty) UUID is listed but not lodaing08:23
lee_yeah it seems to be the Bug08:23
DHQmulander, even i have the same thing guess its a bug08:23
sub[t]rnlmulander: if sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade doesn nothing, your using the most current version08:23
mulanderok thanks all, just wanted to be sure :)08:23
lee_any how..how do i engage composite?08:24
DHQwhen i lock my desktop and resume it i doesnt resume it just stays there without any activity08:24
jigeranyone have ne idea how to force recognition of a partion?08:24
lee_hmm sounds dangerouse to me08:24
lee_erg i am headin to bead, iam dead dog tired08:25
sub[t]rnlnight lee08:25
jigerthe partion exists. it is clean too but not getting loaded on boot08:25
jigerno /dev/sda? handle is being created08:25
lee_sub[t]rnl night..oh befor i hit the hay.. its all working great save for needing to activate composite08:26
jigerthough the partition is fine08:26
lee_where do i go?08:26
sub[t]rnlwhat kind of compositing you looking for? kwin composits08:26
sub[t]rnlor are you talkinag about compiz-fusion08:26
lee_sub[t]rnl hmm not sure what k is asking for08:27
lee_just a sec Ill crash  it brb08:27
lee_the composite manager crashed twice with in a minute and is there for dissabled...the othr reads.. you muset enable compoisite08:30
lee_oops I hit the ok08:30
lee_Iam guessing wht ever one comes with  KDE08:30
tomeranyone know why compiz causes the window frame to disappear08:31
Cugeltomer: if you mean the titlebar, then yes.08:32
tomerCugel: yes that is what i mean. how do i fix that?08:32
CugelYou need to add one line to xorg.conf, about enabling some visuals. A search on 'titlebars disappear compiz' shows you lots of answers.08:33
Cugelsudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24   --- from a terminal. That does the trick.08:34
ubuntu__Does anyone know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might not recognize my GeForce 7600 GS video card?  discover sees it.08:43
ubuntu__Would it make any differnce if I am running off the livecd?08:44
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xeviousthose kde4 beta 3 packages are borked. should probably remove that from the topic08:51
xeviousand kubuntu.com08:51
* xevious goes to bed08:51
alexey__Q: I want to install 7.10, but I only have 7.04 (DVD). Is it possible to install 7.04 and update to 7.10?08:53
dystopianrayalexey__: yes, but it's faster and easier to just download 7.1008:57
ubuntu__alexey__: yes, there should be instructions on upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 on the release page08:57
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MorgwyrKubuntu boots to a black screen after alt install; I can load PuppyLinux on it just fine. Anyone know of a fix?09:00
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Omarianafter a kernel update, ubuntu adds 2 entries to the boot menu. i know how to remove the menus but i wanted to know if there is a way to actually remove the older kernel.09:03
pagOmarian, sudo apt-get remove $package  works for kernels too09:03
Omarianso if i wanted to remove i would do sudo ap-get remove kernel...09:04
Omarianwhat is the actual package name09:04
paglinux-image-2.6.20-15-generic  probably09:05
Omarianoh ok09:05
Omarianthat makes sense09:05
Omarianare there any other packages i need to remove?09:06
pagnot as far as I know09:06
obiwan_hi @ all09:06
Omariani am also trying to access some windows shares over the lan but smb is not installed and i cannot install it from system settings09:07
Omarianwhere do i begin?09:07
pag!samba | Omarian09:07
ubotuOmarian: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT09:07
Omarianthanks i will check those out09:08
obiwan_@Omarian isn' t i t already on board with your Ubuntu?09:08
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Omarianno its not09:09
Omariani just ran apt-get and it was installed09:10
ubuntu__Omarian: the client side is.09:10
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Omarianoh really>09:10
obiwan_i thogt so09:10
Omarianhow do i activate it to browse windows shares09:10
ubuntu__You should be able to browse your local network.09:10
obiwan_wan x window do you use?09:11
obiwan_I mean what type of wm do you use09:11
ubuntu__I just open konqueror, and click on "Network Folders" the "Samba Shares"09:12
ubuntu__the -> then09:12
obiwan_@ ubuntu I used the same way09:12
obiwan_my problem is the rights management09:13
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ThempletonThis is nice. How do I statically assign a specific device-name to a USB resource as a keystick or an ext. HD?09:14
obiwan_I had XP running before and all my data are saved on a external disk09:14
neptunepinkroflmao; <alt-f2>yes09:14
neptunepinkThey have no, too! :D09:15
obiwan_my problem is I can read it but I can't write on it.09:15
ubuntu__obiwan_: are you mounting the disk?  Or are you accessing it over a network?09:16
Omariani am trying to mount a windows share and it is telling me that the mount point does not exist09:16
Omarianit is a network share09:16
ubuntu__Omarian: I assume that the rights issue is on the Windows box.09:17
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obiwan_anybody here knowing the worldbook hard disk form Western Digital?09:18
Omarianno the issue was not on the windows box. i just fixed it by going to network and add network folder09:19
Omarianits working09:19
obiwan_@ubuntu access is only possibly through network09:19
obiwan_it has only an rj45 attach09:19
ubuntu__I'm not certain I understand.  What did you do differently?09:20
obiwan_@ ubuntu me or omarian?09:20
MinnozzMy wireless network randomly fails, I don't know what's wrong with it. I don't use a networkmanager but placed my settings in /etc/network/interfaces . There is an error when I ifup wlan0, but it Just Works. Anybody knows why it fails?09:20
obiwan_ah omarian09:21
Omariankaffeine is not playing my avi files09:22
Omarianshould i try a different program09:22
ThempletonThis is nice. How do I statically assign a specific device-name to a USB resource as a keystick or an ext. HD?09:22
nicolai_Omarian: try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras09:22
obiwan_@ omarian: avi files are like a container perhaps you have not installed the needed codec?09:23
Omariani believe its the xvid one09:23
vltHello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M?09:24
nicolai_!restrictedformats | Omarian09:24
ubotuOmarian: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:24
Omarianthank you09:25
nicolai_No problem :)09:25
obiwan_how about my problem whith the rights management ?09:26
tottHey,, got a prob, anyone got time?09:26
vbgunzanyone know why I have no tty 1 through 6? I only have a really fast blinking underscore :/09:26
obiwan_western digital has an own software for windows but none for linux-pc's09:27
ThempletonHello, how to symlink to a USB keystick? Every time I insert the stick it is assigned to a different dev name depending on what other USB resources are present. Thanks09:28
obiwan_I tryed askin the support but they even did not aswer09:29
Omarianthis is taking a while09:29
Omarianis there a program i can install that will play avi files?09:29
Omariani don't want to sift through codecs and libraries etc09:30
Omariannot right now at least09:30
obiwan_@omarian you'll need the xvid codec09:30
sJimmplayer has codecs fir windows avi09:30
Omarianoh really? mplayer?09:32
MinnozzWell, I don't know if anybody saw what I said, but my internet failed again09:32
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sJimI didn't install anything else and all avis work fine09:32
Minnozz<Minnozz> My wireless network randomly fails, I don't know what's wrong with it. I don't use a networkmanager but placed my settings in /etc/network/interfaces . There is an error when I ifup wlan0, but it Just Works. Anybody knows why it fails?09:32
tdj_maybe you have disabled broadcasting ?09:34
tdj_on the router09:34
MinnozzI don't know09:34
Minnozzlets see09:34
tdj_if you dont know    probally you didnt09:35
MinnozzWhen it failed, there was an endless row of these errors in /var/log/syslog: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=120209:35
Minnozzanybody knows what those errors mean? ^09:36
obiwan_I've got a programm that runs only on windows xp systems how can I get it on ubuntu?09:37
tdj_if you google on those errors09:37
obiwan_I mean running on ubuntu09:37
tdj_you see that there are more with same problem09:37
emonkey-fobiwan_, which program?09:37
Thempletonobiwan_:the answer is Wine09:37
Omariani installed mplayer and codecs and am trying to play an avi file from the network but it is trying to copy it locally first. why does it not stream it?09:38
sJimyou need plugin for stream09:39
Omarianis it gstreamer?09:39
sJimthere is firefox plugin for mplayer09:39
obiwan_@ emonkey I#ve got an worldbook external harddisk from western digital an have no problem to access all my files but I can't write on it cause of the rights management09:39
sJimor mplayer plugin for firefox...09:39
obiwan_the original wd software09:39
Omarianplugin to stream avi files in firefox??09:40
emonkey-fobiwan_, I've got the same external HD but no problem with read and write on it.09:40
emonkey-foh ok, I didnt use any wd program before maybe I've not installed that09:41
Omariani don't understand09:41
obiwan_emonkey how do you access it ?09:41
Minnozztdj_: should I disable any programs when using /etc/network/interfaces?09:41
obiwan_my problem is perhaps that I did it before09:41
tdj_sorry  i dont know09:41
emonkey-fobiwan_, I plug it in and then a wizard is appearing which opens for me an konqueror or dolphin file manager09:41
emonkey-fobiwan_, yes could be09:42
sJimOmarian: are you trying to watch stream divx with browser or .avi-files from your hard drive09:42
obiwan_but it seems you have an other version cause mine is only accessible about network (without usb)09:43
Thempleton<Thempleton> Hello, how to symlink to a USB keystick or ext. HD? Every time I insert the stick or ext. HD it is assigned to a different dev name depending on what other USB resources are present. Thanks!09:43
Omariansjim: what i am trying to do is play an avi file over the network in mplayer but it will not stream it09:43
emonkey-fobiwan_, ah yes .... you're right.09:43
Omariani would prefer to not watch in the browser09:43
Omarianif i have a choice09:43
obiwan_@ templeton I think your problem is the automatically mount of your usb devices09:44
Omariangeez why is this so complicated09:45
emonkey-fobiwan_, maybe you'll find an answer here: http://www.uboontu.com/results.htm?cx=002072379199720138921%3A9m-bgfzutzq&cof=FORID%3A10&q=western+digital+external+hard+disk+network&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search#111509:45
obiwan_in earlier times we needed to mont all manually and so i had scripts that assined everytime to the same folder09:45
obiwan_that was for Templeton09:46
obiwan_emonkey thx09:46
Omarianany suggestions?09:48
Thempletonobiwan_, in that scripts do you have to recognize what ext HD is new attached to USB... how to recognize this?09:48
sJimwhats the error message?09:49
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ashfaqJust downloaded vmware server from the site, now help me get installed for use, I tried the means by logic, but I failed to see the programe listed09:55
vbgunzanyone know why I cannot access terminals (tty) 1 through 6, I see only a blinking underscore/cursor :(09:55
ashfaqI have kubuntu gutsy latest installed!09:56
dystopianrayis anyone else finding that their nvidia drivers don't work?09:57
dystopianraythe kernel module cannot be found and X won't start?09:57
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ashfaqNo one to help with vmware installation pl.10:00
afd_hi! I'm having problems with the audio control keys on the keyboard, to control the sound volume10:01
afd_the keys (sort of) work: there's a small popup that appears on the screen and it gets toggled to maximum 11% volume if I press the increase volume key10:02
afd_but it has no effect on the volume10:02
afd_using kmix (and the systray applet), I can change, for real, the volume10:02
afd_I've set in kmix the global shortcuts, but they seem to be overridden by this other control that doesn't work10:02
sJimHow can I install multimedia buttons on Toshiba laptop?10:03
afd_any ideas what to do? (or should I try to explain better my problems?)10:03
aspirin_on_kubunhi kubuntu users :-)10:03
Franzmaxhello.  How can I mount a partition of my existing HD while running kubuntu from a live CD?10:05
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obiwan_@templeton I had my first experiences whith linux 9 years ago but the syntax is surely the same as at this times  you use mount than the type of disk and an mountpoint and umount to unmount your device10:06
Thempletonobiwan_, had a system crash with Gutsy. Again, how to recognise which USBstick is automounted by script if devicename changes?10:06
obiwan_my idea was set off the automatically mount and do it manually10:07
obiwan_the other side is you have to mount all manually then10:08
obiwan_even your cd or dvd10:08
ThempletonOK, it is fairly obvious but not of practical use if I've many USB devices like HDs and sticks.10:08
FranzmaxHow can I mount and use a HD when running kubuntu live CD?10:10
Minnozzanybody knows how to fix these errors? I get them when my network fails (they're in /var/log/syslog) and it's impossible to get my network to work again without rebooting. http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=120210:11
Thempletonobiwan_, it seems I've to search by script (or better a demon) for a marker file to distinguish the specific USBstick and read in mtab where it is mounted.10:13
ThempletonFranzmax, you have to do exactly as you do in a HD installation, using mount.10:15
FranzmaxThempleton: means i have to modify fstab and mtab first?10:15
Thonolanhello there10:18
obiwan_@ thempleton, thats a nice idea too  you can assign a name to your device to search for or you use the internal serial number10:18
obiwan_anyone here running a smartphone on ubuntu10:19
ThempletonFranzmax, no, fstab is red if the system doesn't know how to mount a device and mtab says what device is already mounted. You need to  <mount /dev/"devicename" /"mountdir">10:19
Thonolancan i repair my apt-get after a broken update trial to 7.10 ?  my system still running on 7.04 but adept ,apt-get wont work10:19
Thempletonobiwan_:ok, thanks, I'll try this way.10:20
FranzmaxThempleton: do i have to create a new dir in (say) /media like /media/hda1 ?10:21
obiwan_franzmax it will be helpful to distinguish your devices10:21
obiwan_perhaps you give a name like external harddisk110:22
lars_hallo habe da eine Frage wie man ein rpm installiert10:23
Thonolanthat i get if i try to apt-get -f install10:23
Thonolanlars_: deutsch auf #kubuntu-de10:24
ThempletonFranzmax, yes this is a good idea, use a more mnemonic dirname as obiwan_ suggests.10:24
lars_also rpm habe ich installiert10:25
Franzmaxok, thanks Thempleton and obiwan_10:26
Thonolannobody any idea for me ?10:26
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obiwan_Thonolan perhaps you could try it about your software packages10:27
Thonolanobiwan_: i cant start adept10:28
obiwan_do you use a wm?10:28
Thonolanobiwan_: i use kde10:28
Thonolanobiwan_: you mean that ?10:29
Thonolanwith wm ?10:29
obiwan_window manager10:29
Thonolanobiwan_i use kde10:29
Thonolani was hopefully there is an option to clean that10:30
obiwan_do you have systemtools on it ?10:30
seraphhi, i don't want some partitions (recovery partitions) to be shown in konqueror/dolphin, is there a way to hide them?10:31
Thonolanobiwan_: which kind of tools  ?10:31
Thonolana special program ?10:31
Thonolanobiwan_: or the point: system preferences?10:33
emonkey-fseraph, Maybe it's possible through /etc/fstab, but I've never done it.10:33
obiwan_I've got a german version of Gnome running an there is not only the adept manager but I've got also a package manager10:33
emonkey-fobiwan_, you mean synpatic pakcage manager?10:34
emonkey-fI mean Synaptic10:34
Thonolanobiwan i have try synaptic also10:34
Thonolanthat is the packet manager for gnome10:35
Thonolansame problem10:35
Oakboxmorning all, i was wondering. is there a way to get kubuntu to only open some of the applications back from your session when you reboot but not others?10:37
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Jucatoyou can either 1. quit them before logging out or 2. exclude them from being started in System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Session Manager (there's an entry field there to list app names) or 3. Manually autostart those that you want and start with a blank sessions10:38
Jucato!autostart | Oakbox10:39
ubotuOakbox: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.10:39
obiwan_Thonolan sorry that was actually my last idea10:39
Thonolanobiwan_: np thanks for your patience and help10:39
obiwan_Thonolan, do you have an install dvd?10:40
Thonolanobiwan_: i have yesterday dl the 7.10  and i have a alternate dvd 7.1010:40
obiwan_why dont you try start it perhaps it has something like a repair funktion10:41
Thonolanobiwan_: i mean an alternate 7.0410:41
Thonolanobiwan_: that i will try yes thanks for hint10:42
obiwan_I meant repair option10:43
obiwan_but you understood10:43
Thonolanobiwan_: yes10:44
OakboxJucato: thank you :)10:44
PacShadyAnyone home?10:48
Thonolanobiwan_: i have it ! i have delete my sources list and build a new clean now adept running10:48
PacShadyIĺl take that as a yes10:48
ThonolanPacShady: ^^10:48
PacShadyGahh, now I realise I need to change my keyboard layout too10:49
PacShadyWhile Iḿ doing so, could someone be able to tell me how to restore the login screen to look how it did in Feisty? ie. no user list?10:49
PacShadyI did it with two computers easy, now I can find a single reference to it on the net at all10:50
metalspawnHey can any1 help me i am using kubuntu 7.10 and i have the error hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options-refused uid 1000. i got ntfs-config but you need 2 run as root (and i don;t know how) PLease HELP :D10:50
PacShadyAnyone at all? Any takers?10:51
metalspawnAnd also i downloaded nvidia drivers and same prob need to run as root please help :D ?10:51
PacShadyI can't remember how to do it :'(10:52
metalspawnCome on :D no1 able to help me quickly ?10:53
sJimmetalspawn: you need to mount your drive10:53
pagPacShady, edit /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings - make the second line read: THEME="/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu-no-userlist"10:53
metalspawnyes :D trying10:53
sJimI googled a script which did it all10:53
PacShadyThank you :) not the way I did it previously, but if it works it works!10:53
sJimpaste your error to google10:53
Minnozzwhy can't I remove knetworkmanager?10:53
metalspawnlet me try10:53
xanax`is there somewhere a tutorial that explains how to launch the 7.10 Desktop CD - step by step (with lots of screenshots) ?10:54
xanax`when I reboot on the CD, I can see a menu, I choose the top first item (start or install) but the next screen I get is a prompt that tells me to type HELP ...10:56
metalspawnsJim: ok lol i am totally new to this sorry i have the site and it says type the following lines blah blah. Should i type it in "Run Command" ?10:57
Thonolanmoin  kraut10:58
sJimmetalspawn: type "konsole" in run command10:59
piespoavrei un problemino con samba su kubuntu10:59
metalspawnsJim:  ok thanks figuring it out :D will see now11:00
piespoutilizzando la finestrella di host deny dove avevo provato ad inserire * non accedo piu' alle cartelle anche se tolgo * e metto l'ip della macchina da collegare su host allow11:01
obiwan_@ piespo credo che qui parlino tutti solamente inglese11:02
obiwan_prova #kubuntu-it11:02
metalspawnsJim:  ok thanks i can acces it but i can't write any files to it ? that normal ?11:02
sJimmetalspawn: yea, go to system setting, then hit the advanced tab11:04
sJimthere Disk & filesystem11:04
piespograzie obiwan11:04
obiwan_di niente11:04
metalspawnsJim:  y\k11:05
metalspawnsJim: K11:05
metalspawnsJim: k cool have it11:05
metalspawnlet me t3est11:05
Ajzois there any program allow u to convert AVI movies to DVD format ? :}11:05
Minnozzhow come Aiccu doesn't start automagically?11:06
metalspawnsJim: Thanks i ave it . no just one more prob can any1 help me install nvidia drivers11:06
metalspawnOr run my session as root11:06
metalspawnThe same thinkg11:06
Minnozzanybody uses Aiccu here?11:07
metalspawnThe setup says i require root acces11:07
obiwan_Hi Tonio_11:10
Tonio_hi obiwan_ :)11:10
xenolhow can i use kbfx plz?11:10
obiwan_is that your real name?11:10
pagxenol, add it to a panel and enjoy11:11
pagxenol, of course you have to have it installed first ;)11:11
obiwan_@ tonio_ it's mine :)11:12
piespoare there some persone that know samba? (sorry for my english)11:12
mulanderhow to run the GUI front-end for managing /etc/apt/sources.list in 7.0411:12
thomas_mulander: use adept_manager11:13
Tonio_obiwan_: what's yours ?11:13
obiwan_@piespo a client is already installed on ubuntu why?11:13
mulanderI'm on the phone with my gf, and I try to guide her to this menu11:13
thomas_mulander: but best way is still doing it by hand ;-), thats what I prefer11:13
obiwan_Your nick is my realname11:14
mulanderthomas_: yeah, try to tell sources entries on the phone :>11:14
Tonio_obiwan_: almost my real name too :)11:14
tp123hi all11:14
pagobiwan_, including underscore? ;P11:14
thomas_mulander: ask her to send her sources.list file to you, modify it for her and send it back ;-)11:14
skazkinhelo all11:14
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ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:14
obiwan_you don't meet everyday one11:15
tp123Who speak Russia ))11:15
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pag!ru | tp12311:15
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thomas_mulander: or tell her to go here: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/11:15
ubotutp123: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke11:15
obiwan_no without underscore ;)11:15
piespoI have some problem with perission of host in samba11:16
rand_acswhen firefox32 updates, using it's automatic updater, how do you get it to load all the plugins again? I can see them there, but the browser doesn't pick it up11:17
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obiwan_bye @ all11:19
hilmarHey does any one know how to fix my sound in kubuntu11:21
agresorApache module mod_suexec11:21
agresorhow to install this ?11:21
agresorplease ?11:21
rohanis there some kde program i can use to convert audio files from one format to the other ?11:22
paghilmar, well.. with the information you're giving it's hard to say anything but "unmute it" or "plug the wire"11:22
rohansome program which is preferably in the ubuntu/debian repo11:22
pag!info soundkonverter | rohan11:22
uboturohan: soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 479 kB, installed size 1888 kB11:22
agresorApache module mod_suexec ?11:23
agresoranyone know something about that ?11:23
pag!repeat | agresor11:23
ubotuagresor: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience11:23
spirooBut why have they not been able to fix all bugs yet in kubuntu :'(11:24
spirooKopete is part of KDE I know, but it does not work at all. I just installed a clean copy of the final version, and got a few errors already11:25
pagspiroo, fix for the kopete is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/2911:26
spirooAnd it always says, version upgrade in Adept XD11:26
pagspiroo, iirc that's also a well-known bug11:27
spirooBut why has it not been fixed in final version? :P11:27
momalanyone know where i can report 2 problems with dolphin ?... im pretty sure they would be considered a bug or at least a big problem.11:28
hilmaroki how did you say I coul fic my sound ?11:28
ScorpKing!find esd11:28
ubotuFound: gstreamer0.10-esd, kdesdk-dbg, kdesdk-doc-html, kdesdk-scripts, libesd-alsa0 (and 15 others)11:28
spirooAnyway, I wonder how to change from Konqueror to Firefox. I mean, I will when I click on links/urls everywhere in Kubuntu I want it to be opening in Firefox not Konqueror.11:28
pagspiroo, kcontrol -> default apps11:29
ScorpKingi get /usr/bin/esd not found. what packages is missing?11:29
pagScorpKing, esound11:30
ScorpKingmomal: look around on launchpad11:30
ScorpKingpag: ty11:30
pagScorpKing, (or pulseaudio-esound-compat )11:30
spirooCould someone write or send me a link for all known bugs and solutions?11:31
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots11:31
rohanpag: that was wonderful, thanks11:31
pagnp :)11:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about cervisia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:32
spiroopaq: Im sorry to say, but that patch for Kopete you send me does not work11:32
WaltzingAlongkopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit11:32
pag!doesntwork | spiroo11:32
chriswilliamskicker doesn't load on startup, how do I fix this?11:32
ubotuspiroo: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.11:32
waylandbill!info cervisia11:32
ubotucervisia: a graphical CVS front end for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 740 kB, installed size 2016 kB11:32
spiroopaq: Haha okay sorry, Uhm when I am trying to login it just crashes and send me a crash message.11:33
waylandbillchriswilliams: load kicker using alt-f2 and then log out and log back in. It should be stored in the session and loaded next time.11:33
pagspiroo, install that pach and relogin in kde11:33
chriswilliamswaylandbill, I have session's turned off11:34
spiroopaq: okay, but I have already done that11:34
chriswilliamsis there a way to fix it without turning it on?11:34
spiroopaq: Or do you mean logout from xsession?11:34
pagspiroo, yup.11:34
spiroookay Iĺl that11:35
waylandbillchriswilliams: add it to Autostart11:38
ubotuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.11:38
chriswilliamswaylandbill, ok thanks11:38
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spiroopaq: Thanks, the patch worked. Hope I have not have to deal with more problems now :D11:41
pagspiroo, I hope that too :)11:42
rolandwhy can't i hear a thing since i have changed from Ubuntu to Kubuntu???11:43
Pasarmy usb devices dont seems to work.. whenever i connect a stick/mouse/cam simply nothing happens.. the device will get electricity but i cant find it anywhere on my system (feisty)11:43
kristinahi, I just installed gutsy. somehow adept locked up (it says another process is using it) tryed pkill adept/aptitude/apt-get with no luck, any ideas?11:44
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rolandKristina: sudo dpkg --configure -a11:44
pag!aptfix | kristina11:44
ubotukristina: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »11:44
rolandsome Ideas to my soundproblem?11:45
rolandmy Card is a SB Audigy111:45
ardchoille!sound | roland11:45
uboturoland: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP311:45
kristina pag, roland: tnx, worked.11:45
Pasarwhatabout my usb problem? noone else seems to have it :-/11:46
pagPasar, you could try one thing, though I don't know will it work. add " usb-hadoff " to kernel boot options11:46
pagusb-handoff that is :)11:47
juliebonjour es ce ke kelkun peux m aider svp11:47
kaminixI've installed both mediubuntu's and mplayer's codec pack, but there are still some DivX 5 files I can't play. What else is there to install?11:47
pag!fr | julie11:47
ubotujulie: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.11:47
Pasaraaah, that may work, i installed restricted drivers. but where do i change these boot options?11:47
kristinaone last question: why does konversation quit completely and not end up in the right lower corner (sorry I don't know what that's called) when clicking on x?11:47
pagkristina, does it have tray icon enabled in settings?11:48
pagPasar, alt+f2 -> " kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst "11:48
flubI'm trying to isntall 7.10 from the CD, but the installing thing hangs right at the start in step 3, during "Scanning disks".11:48
ardchoillekristina: Enable the system tray item: Behavior  > General11:48
flubCould anyone help me?11:48
pagPasar, find al line that says (something like) " # defoptions=quiet splash "11:49
ardchoillekristina: fwiw, that is known as the "tray" or "notification area"11:50
Pasarfound it11:50
Pasarshall i add to that line?11:50
ardchoillepag: I believe he's also going to need to edit his kernel line for the current kernel.11:51
pagPasar, yup.11:51
pagardchoille, " sudo update-grub " will take care of that ;)11:51
kristinaardchoille: cool thanks11:51
ardchoillepag: Ah, yes it will11:51
kristinabye bye11:51
Pasarso that's what im gonna do next? ;)11:52
titanix88hey what about gutsy kubuntu?11:52
titanix88hey what about gutsy kubuntu?11:52
pagPasar, yup. save the file, enter that command and (if there will be no errors) boot the computer11:52
Pasaryeah, all fine. im gonna try now! thanx a lot!11:52
ardchoilletitanix88: What about it?11:53
titanix88i mean ur experience...:o11:53
titanix88i mean ur experience...:o11:53
ardchoilletitanix88: Works good here except that I have no tty 1-611:54
ardchoille!hi | Smorg11:54
ubotuSmorg: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:54
* Smorg is upgrading to gusty atm11:55
titanix88no ctrl+f1-6 tty?11:55
* Smorg is excited!11:55
ardchoilletitanix88: yes, but I have a feeling it will be fixed soon.11:55
spirooDoes anybody know how to load a module in apache2?11:55
spirooI wanna load the mod_rewrite11:55
gameplayerspiroo: a2enmod ?11:55
spirooa2enmod, where?11:56
ardchoillespiroo: Are you sure it's not already loaded?11:56
Smorghopefully it goes as smoothly as edgy -> feisty11:56
spirooHow do I do then?11:57
gameplayerif the mod is installed, you can load it by typing sudo a2enmod <module_name>11:57
gameplayerthen, restart apache11:58
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hilmarhey how do i  Innstall VLC11:58
unclephreakdoes anyone in here know anything about video encoding?11:59
paghilmar, " sudo apt-get install vlc "11:59
spiroookay thanks gameplayer. One more thing, my .htaccess file does not load11:59
spirooIt should point to /var/www/www/default.php inside .htaccess, but it does not work12:00
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ardchoillespiroo: Is that path correct? (www x 2)12:02
hilmaroki when I  do sudu apt-get install vllc12:02
hilmarthis comes12:02
hilmarhilmar@hilmar-c52521ee:~$ sudo apt-get install vlc12:02
hilmarE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)12:02
hilmarE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?12:02
ardchoillehilmar: close adept?12:03
spirooShould I look inside sites-enabled or sites-available? Yes the path is correct. I have solved this problem before, but I never know how I fix it XD12:03
martin_pag: it didnt change much.. my usb mouse is reacting (but too slow to be reasonably used, and thats probably because i had it plugged on startup this time) - my stick is blinking all through the booting but it doesnt show up anywhere :(12:04
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pagmartin_, hmm.. dunno then. sorry.12:05
gameplayeri've got a problem with adept on a fresh reinstall of gutsy, with the home dir kept from my feisty install12:05
hilmarhey does  any one know how to  run XP while using Linux , can I do  it with Kubuntu12:05
ardchoillemartin_: Anything in dmesg?12:05
xenoli got problem plazing dvd on gutsy i am missing libdvdcss2 can someone tell where from can i get ti plz?12:05
ardchoille!medibuntu | xenol12:06
ubotuxenol: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org12:06
xenolardchoille: will feisty libdvdcss2 work on gutsy too?12:06
traeneDoes someone know the current legal state of libdvdcss?12:06
traene(in Germany)12:07
martin_ardchoille: yeah, quite so...12:07
ardchoillexenol: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/12:07
martin_ardchoille: it did detect a mass storage device somewhere along the way12:08
martin_archoille: but it says sth like [   25.012000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning12:08
ardchoillexenol: To answer your question, yes, libdvdcss2 will work on gutsy12:08
mooperheh, whats the best way to play dvd's on feisty?12:08
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs12:08
xenolardchoille: ty12:09
tharunHi, why am I getting this error when trying to run the version upgrade *Gutsy beta --> Final*: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release Unable to find expected entry  commercial/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)12:09
hilmarcan't you  run windows XP while using Kubuntu ? :S12:09
feierfoxi want to make a dist-upgrade with the adept manager ... everything works, but then i get an error: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found12:09
mooperardchoille: I already have that installed (libdvdcss2) but vlc wont play DVD's ! :(12:09
martin_ardchoille: at some point it even says a storage device was registered.. but its nowhere in kde-info or /media/12:09
feierfoxwhat can i do?12:09
feierfoxediting something in my sourcelist?12:10
ardchoillemooper: O don't use vlc, I don't know12:10
gameplayeri've got a problem with adept on a fresh reinstall of gutsy, with the home dir kept from my feisty install. Adept still propose me tu upgrade to gutsy...12:10
Smorgis there a linux cd emulator like daemon tools?12:10
ardchoillemartin_: does dmesg give a device path (/dev/sda*)? If so, try mounting it.12:10
traeneSmorg: but you can mount iso's, why are daemon tools needed?12:11
mooperardchoille: what do you use?12:11
titanix88smorg:don't know but iso mounting is easy.12:11
Smorgcopy protection12:11
ardchoillemooper: mplayer, it supports closed captions and vlc doesn't.12:11
spirooWould be damn nice if you could right click on an ISO-file and choose mount ;)12:12
Smorgfor emulating copy protected windows game disks on wine using an iso created with alcohol12:12
titanix88smorg: ?!!!12:12
ardchoillespiroo: You can write a service menu item to do that or look for one on kde-look.org12:13
Bur3ka bug in the kvpnc ?  "QString::arg(): Argument missing: Wrong authentication method used. We use "MD5" but peer want "SHA1", this will be fixed., OpenVPN"12:13
SmorgI broke one of my diablo II install disks but fortunately saved an image :-D12:13
spiroookay, but would cause some problems I guess because I do not only wanna mount ISO. I wanna mount all kind of images.12:13
titanix88smorg:wine can not properly make cd checking games run.12:14
titanix88smorg:wine can not properly make cd checking games run.12:14
spirooLike .bin, .cue, .img, .nrg and so on12:14
ardchoilletitanix88: Please don't repeat your posts12:14
SmorgI had a similar problem with alcohol's format12:14
Smorgthere is a converter you can use12:14
Smorgpretty easy12:14
spirooYeye, I just wanna be able to mount them, mostly for watch movies.12:15
martin_ardchoille: mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab12:15
Smorgtitanix: it probably can if you use a perfect 1:1 image12:15
SmorgI don't see why it wouldn't12:15
titanix88now repeating?...:o12:15
titanix88now repeating?...:o12:15
shoooodhi all12:15
Smorgstill repeating12:15
ardchoillespiroo: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=287   There's tons of service menu stuff there12:15
martin_ardchoille: also dmesg didnt exactly give me an address12:15
mooperI get error 12:14:39: xine: couldn't find demux for >dvd:///dev/hda< when trying to play dvd's in kaffeine12:15
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.12:16
ardchoillemartin_: :(12:16
titanix88now?my damn client:(12:16
Smorghm can't remember what its called12:16
ardchoilletitanix88: Looks ok now, thanks for fixing :)12:16
spiroothanks ardchoille12:16
Smorgah yes cd image conversion :)12:16
martin_ardchoille: well, at least thats a justification to keep my xp-partition :) thanx a lot anyway!12:17
shoooodpls guys i hanna some help here12:17
ardchoillemartin_: Not every usb device is recognise4d. I had a usb stick that wasn't recognised and I bought a new one, fixed the problem.12:17
shoooodi'm totally new to linux12:17
ardchoilleshooood: What do you want help with?12:18
shoooodi wanna know if i have an open source12:18
SmorgZOMG PLOX gief Hlep!112:18
shoooodhow to set it uo from the terminal12:18
spirooWould be nice with a GUI like Daemon-tools to mount images. I would be doing it if I could, but I cannot12:18
Smorgaa yea theres mdf2iso12:19
Smorguniverse repository12:19
shoooodsetting up a program12:19
b01kaHow do I enable the DESKTOP EFFECTS in Kubuntu 7.10, so far I had no success12:19
martin_archoille: well, i tried quite a number of them..12:19
Smorgemulation and mounting are totally different12:19
Smorgdaemon tools actually emulates the physical hardware12:19
b01kacan someone help mee?12:19
shoooodlet's seeb0lka what is ur VGA model12:20
b01kamobility 140012:20
Smorgwhich makes things like copy protected disks possible to run12:20
ardchoille!ati | b01ka12:20
ubotub01ka: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:20
shoooodu go to System>Desktop Effect12:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:20
shoooodit'll ask u to enable driver u have to confirm12:20
Smorgmaybe winehq knows...12:21
shoooodand it'll download the driver then installing it and ask u to restart12:21
b01kain System there is no option Desktop effect12:21
stupidgirlhi I have kubuntu 7.10 and when I plug in my external usb drive it shows under /media/ but when I click on it in dolphn there it wont open, and it says at the bottom of the screen "hal-storage-removable-mount-options refused uid 1000" any1 know how i can fix it12:21
shoooodsorry b0lka under system u 'll find preference then desktop effects12:23
tysonswI need a little help.. my computer keps stalling at shutdown.. all I se is the kubuntu window and there it stops12:23
shoooodb0lka does it work ?????????12:23
b01kani preference12:24
b01kain kubuntu12:24
shoooodi guess so12:24
tysonswI need a little help.. my computer keps stalling at shutdown.. all I se is the kubuntu window and there it stops12:24
shoooodlet me ask first what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu ????????12:25
Lynoureshooood: Where? I'm looking at System settings, and cannot see desktop effects either?12:25
maverickis QTparted capable of resizing NTFS drives mounted using NTFS-3g ??12:25
spirooKDE4 for the way :D12:25
Smorgprobably the first entry in the faqs12:25
Lynoureshooood: I thought it was there by default only for Gnome (Ubuntu)12:25
tysonswI need a little help.. my computer keps stalling at shutdown.. all I se is the kubuntu window and there it stops12:25
shoooodthis's another thing i wanna ask about12:25
shoooodwhat is KDE and gnome12:25
maverickshooood: !KDE12:26
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.12:26
maverick!kde | shooood12:26
ubotushooood: please see above12:26
ubotugnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.12:26
b01kashooood can you aopen a private chat with me?12:26
tysonswI need a little help.. my computer keps stalling at shutdown.. all I se is the kubuntu window and there it stops12:26
stdinshooood: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE too12:26
traenetysonsw: Did you try hit escape when start seeing the kubuntu window?12:27
shoooodthank u all12:27
tysonswtraene no12:27
shoooodand b0lka12:27
shoooodi can't open it coz it said am not a regestered member12:27
stupidgirlhi I have kubuntu 7.10 and when I plug in my external usb drive it shows under /media/ but when I click on it in dolphn there it wont open, and it says at the bottom of the screen "hal-storage-removable-mount-options refused uid 1000" any1 know how i can fix it12:27
tysonswtraene but io got another problem to.. the computer has stoped booting from cd-rom.. I can't boot form my kubuntu cd12:28
b01kaKubuntu 7.10 should have by default the desktop effects, if I read correctly?12:28
stdinb01ka: no12:28
stupidgirlno b0lka12:28
traenetysonsw: wrong boot order in BIOS?12:28
tysonswtraene no.. hAVE ALREADY CHECKED THAT12:29
traenetysonsw: no reason to yell :-)12:29
tysonswtraene sry.. didn't mean to..12:29
tysonswtraene I just hit the caps12:29
shoooodi downloaded a cedega program using torrent and i wanna know how to install it12:29
titanix88shoood: kde & gnome are like different versions of windows with different outlook but same kernel.;)12:29
traenetysonsw: but there must be some bios output on the screen, to see what it boots and why12:30
shoooodi see that when it ask me to download a 508MB files12:30
b01kaok so that you can understand me better, when I loaded kubuntu for the firts time It said something about enabling the ATI proprietary driver; I did this and It seems that the video card works12:30
ubotucedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega12:30
tysonswtraene yeah.. it says it starts the cd.. but then it finds out that kubuntu is already installed and stops booting form cd12:30
shoooodubotu plz all i want is some one how tell me how to install any program that i have its source12:31
traenetysonsw: no idea how to help from here, sry12:31
tysonswtraene okej.. thanks anyway12:32
stdinshooood: ubotu is a bot, follow the link it gave12:32
titanix88shoood:ubotu is a bot:)!!12:32
titanix88shoood:ubotu is a bot:)!!12:32
traenetysonsw: maybe you can boot knoppix and delete the kubuntu partition...12:33
traeneshooood : that depends on the software. Normally configure && make && make install12:33
titanix88anyone here use reiserfs?12:33
shoooodthanks all guys12:33
chris_does anyone here use mythtv btw?12:33
maverick"/media/D device is busy" ....how can i free this device ?!!12:33
traenechris_: no, vdr.12:34
jussi01!compile | shooood12:34
ubotushooood: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)12:34
Lynouretitanix88: if you have a question about it, just ask. It's quicker than doing a poll first12:34
chris_traene: whats vdr?12:34
traenechris_: Video Disk Recorder (I think from Klaus Schmidinger?).12:34
titanix88what is the advantage over ext3?that's all?:(no poll!:((12:35
titanix88what is the advantage over ext3?that's all?:(no poll!:((12:35
traenechris_: Tv without need to install X basically12:35
jussi01shooood: which program are you trying to install?12:35
stdin!reiserfs | titanix8812:35
chris_traene: thanks, can it run in X or not?12:35
ubotutitanix88: reiserfs is a journalling file system, which outperforms many others on I/O operations, but has drawbacks (such as increasing likelihood of data loss, and introducing latency unsuitable for gaming or real-time audio). Using !ext3, the default on Ubuntu, is *highly* recommended. A read-only Windows driver is available at http://p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html12:35
shoooodcedega and am running ubuntu12:35
traenechris_: sure, if you install it. its based on Debian12:35
shoooodas i know that cedega program is not free12:35
chris_ok, final question, will it work with pvr 150?12:35
traenechris_: there is an c't edition (www.heise.de)12:36
jussi01shooood: cedega is incredibly hard to compile imho. I would just pay for the pacaged version if i were you.12:36
shoooodso  beside the way to install it i need a way to make it regestered12:36
traenechris_: dont know12:36
traenechris_: but there i a wiki too12:36
stdinshooood: try asking in #cedega12:37
shoooodwhat is the pacaged version ??????12:37
chris_traene: thanks for your help12:37
jussi01shooood: the version yo pay for - that you can install a lot easier and is fully featured12:37
traenechris_: not for that :-)12:38
shoooodfirst i don't have money to pay for a prog12:38
shoooodand i guess that linux prog are free of charge12:38
traeneshooood: cause you all invested into that game :-)12:38
maverickguys, i want to umount one of my drives, but it keeps saying resource is busy, am not using it not opening any folder from it...whta can i do to free it ?!!12:38
nosrednaekimmaverick: are you running some program thats accessing it?12:39
stdinshooood: to use cedega you have to pay per month, more info in #cedega12:39
traenemaverick : lsof /dev/cdrom maybe?12:39
Lynoureshooood: it's not expensive, ~15 dollars if I remember. And no, all programs for Linux are not free of charge, even all open source programs are not free of charge.12:39
titanix88anyone know how to crack cedega?12:39
Lynourestdin: not to use, to keep downloading, if I recall right12:39
JackPhilafter upgrade to gutsy, kaffeine-xine always crashing12:39
mooperwhen I try to open DVD in any player I get "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." or similar, any Ideas?12:39
Lynourestdin: the version you have gotten, you can keep using till the end of world, if you wish.12:40
stdinLynoure: for a subscription, it's completely free if you use the svn version (for testing)12:40
SoulChildhey all ,.... what does this mean ?? " ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initramfs... error, file /DSDT.aml not found."12:40
spirooOne thing i bother me on. Why has i not been fixed, when you ctr+x on a file on desktop and paste it somewhere else. the file on desktop still is there. It just copy the file.12:40
traeneSoulChild: Probably a wrong ACPI implementation of your mainboard12:41
nosrednaekimSoulChild: is it a fatal error?12:41
SoulChildnosrednaekim: no, everything works fine12:41
traeneSoulChild: as long as you don't want Acpi-Sleep or something like that I would ignore it12:42
nosrednaekimSoulChild: if everything thing is working...don'tworry about ACPI errors, probably nothing importatn12:42
SoulChildtraene: okay12:42
stdinSoulChild: from something I saw a while ago, that's something to do with ACPI (a dump of the acpi code)12:42
traeneSoulChild: for more information have a look into the current Linux Magazin12:43
SoulChildhwo di i clear all my logs, or force logrote to archive them???12:44
traeneSoulChild lograte --help says: "-f" to force12:44
zmityahi all, I have a fully upgraded feisty, but adept does not show the "version upgrade" button12:45
zmityawhy ?12:45
zmityatrying this12:46
flick2hi, could anyone get compiz running properly with kubuntu? for me the taskbar buttons are not flashing for any applications which are supposed to flash them12:46
* nosrednaekim doesn't know a thing about upgrading12:47
Lynoureflick2: I haven't tried, but I know others have succeeded, even on ATI radeon X60012:47
flick2if anyone could confirm that flashing the taskbar works with compiz enabled, i can then keep trying to fix it12:48
flick2there could be something wrong with my installation, as it is not a clean install - i installed kubuntu over ubuntu12:49
ubotuxfs is a high-performance journaling filesystem originally developped by Silicon Graphics for their IRIX OS. It is now fully supported by Linux so you can install Ubuntu on it if you wish. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS12:49
Lynoureflick2: http://www.revis.co.uk/site/?q=node/173 (about the compiz, for feisty)12:50
ubotuext3 is the default fileystem in Ubuntu (and many other Linuxes). Alternative Linux filesystems include reiserfs and xfs. fat32 and ntfs are DOS/Windows filesystems. hfs and hfs+ are filesystems for the Mac. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems12:50
flick2thanks Lynoure12:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ext4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:51
flick2you guys don't prefer running compiz?12:51
titanix88flick2: i do.12:52
flick2titanix88 for you did the taskbar (minimized) button for any window ever flash (with compiz enabled)?12:53
nosrednaekimI do as well12:53
titanix88flick2:normally no. but violently when i tried awn.12:54
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ubotuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy13:00
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...13:00
* Jucato scratches his head13:01
LynoureWaltzingAlong: hmm? after just one asking?13:01
WaltzingAlongjust any of us can chat with the bot in private chat13:02
* titanix88 askeshow to be an op?13:02
nosrednaekimnice blog post Jucato13:02
WaltzingAlongmaybe not all know that13:02
Jucatohtnaks nosrednaekim13:02
Jucatoer.. thanks13:02
JucatoWaltzingAlong: there's a less um... threatening trigger for the same factoid13:02
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...13:03
WaltzingAlongJucato: ok thanks13:03
Jucatomaybe not all know that too :)13:03
titanix88stdin:what makes u an op and me not?13:03
WaltzingAlongseems the text from the bot is then the same13:03
Jucatotitanix88: he was asked and you weren't :)13:03
stdintitanix88: maybe I killed kittens in a past life and am being punished13:04
JucatoWaltzingAlong: yeah. I just said less threatening trigger :)13:04
Jucatooh stdin's here... that's my cue13:04
* Jucato disappears in a puff of hexadecimal numbers13:04
* stdin breaks in to the matrix and reconstitutes Jucato from binary bits13:05
ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!13:05
Hub441just noticed that most of kdebluetooth configuration dialogues are gone in gutsy/kde-3.5.8 :/13:06
Hub441actually i can't figure out how to control wich bluetooth services get started and how to allow/deny clients to use them13:06
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titanix88stdin:u work with who? cannonical,www.irc.freenode.net,linux fondation? get paid?13:06
stdintitanix88: no, no, no and no13:07
agresoris it posible to create13:08
agresorfolder in /sys13:08
vyomanafter yesterdays upgrade I am prompted for a version upgrade again this morning, shall I continue?13:08
titanix88stdin:then why, how, by who?13:08
WaltzingAlongvyoman: known issue, skip it13:08
stdinagresor: you can, but it will be erased after a reboot. /sys is a virtual filesystem, like /proc13:08
stdintitanix88: I am a member of the community and helped out here, answering questions etc. then I was asked if I wanted to help out by being an op, I said "yes"13:09
agresoraha oke :)13:10
titanix88stdin:i know it's offtopic.but plz...for last time.13:10
titanix88ohh, i get:)13:10
kblinhi folks13:12
_mikahi guys, i've a little problem, i open adept manager but it says that another process is already open and until i close it i'll not be able to update anything... the problem is that with a ps aux | grep -i adept (or apt) i haven't any other process...13:12
WaltzingAlongkblin: greetings13:12
WaltzingAlong!fixapt | _mika13:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fixapt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:12
Jucato!aptfix | _mika13:12
ubotu_mika: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »13:12
WaltzingAlongah so close! :D13:12
JucatoWaltzingAlong: losing our touch are wee? :)13:12
_mikathanks :)13:12
kblinsay, is there any qemu frontent in gutsy that's even remotely as useable as vmware's stuff?13:13
Jucato!info qtemu | kblin13:13
ubotukblin: qtemu: graphical user interface for QEMU. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (gutsy), package size 568 kB, installed size 960 kB13:13
Jucato!info qemulaunch13:14
ubotuPackage qemulaunch does not exist in gutsy13:14
stdin!info qtemu13:14
Jucatostdin: done ^^^13:14
stdinfine :p13:14
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Jucato!info qemu-launcher13:14
ubotuqemu-launcher: GTK+ front-end to QEMU computer emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.4-1 (gutsy), package size 54 kB, installed size 440 kB13:14
JucatoI was thinking of that one too ^^13:14
WaltzingAlongkblin: something sure but maybe not as first-time user friendly as what you have come to expect from vmware13:14
stdinkblin: best way to find out is to open adept, and search for "qenu"13:14
Jucatokblin: of course follow stdin, except search for "qemu"13:15
ozehkaHey, I'm trying to use dolphin/konqueror as ftp-client. On some servers it would give me a login-box, but on some i need to enter the username like "ftp://username@www.server.net"13:15
kblinstdin: I did an aptitude search qemu, and qtemu didn't show up...13:15
stdinno, search for qenu, see what it shows :p13:15
titanix88stdin: i did some translations in launchpad and with surprise i was acknowledged when i ordered gutsy free cds.:D all i did was writing 17 sentences:p13:15
stdinkblin: take a look at virtualbox13:15
Jucatokblin: if USB support isn't very much important to you, you can also try virtualbox-ose13:15
ozehkamy problem is that my username is too long and dolphin/konqueror would change it to "us...ame"13:15
stdintitanix88: every contribution helps :)13:16
WaltzingAlongozehka: some probably let you in with anonymous so you could use the username and password like that each time13:16
kblinbesides, it doesn't tell me if it's useable13:16
agresorwhy do you oreder free cd's13:16
agresorwhen yoy have download13:16
stdinozehka: I think that bug was reported a day or two ago13:16
Jucatokblin: aptitude search only searches by name. since qtemu doesn't have "qemu" in it's name, that's the problem13:16
stdinagresor: to give out to friends, family and random strangers13:17
ozehkaWaltzingAlong: thanks, it works with anonymous13:17
Jucatokblin: if you want aptitude search to search both name and description, you need to put ~d before the word, like aptitude search ~dqemu13:17
tekstacyIs there a utility to convert a bunch of .ogg to .mp3's?13:17
titanix88agresor: well i currently lack a net connec fast enough:(13:17
agresorah ok13:17
kblinJucato: arguably, but even if I did my search in adept, it wouldn't tell me about the usability of the interface :)13:18
stdinkblin: google the packages, find the project website and look at screenshots13:18
Jucatokblin: of course it wouldn't. would you expect each app to say "the usability of this app sucks" or rocks? :)13:18
ForgeAusJucato! :)13:18
Jucatohi ForgeAus13:18
ForgeAusgood to see you again :)13:19
flubOk, I got hung on the "scanning disk" stage because my iPod was plugged in..13:19
Jucatoheh thanks13:19
ForgeAusand you'll be happy at least this time I have no problem to ask for help with13:19
ForgeAus(mostly just a social visit)13:19
Jucatohaha :)13:19
Jucatothat's good :)13:19
ForgeAusthe bad side of the news is I've mostly reverted back to using XP as my primary operating system but I still love Kubuntu and have no plans to remove it13:20
kblinstdin: I was going to, but I figured first-hand recommendations would be good as well13:20
crazy_busis there a transkode binary anywhere, as  I can't find one in apt13:20
agresorwhen the games will be available for Linux... I mean.. installations and graphic support.. etc..13:21
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agresornot with some stupid emoulations..13:21
agresorIt will be cool then: )13:21
ForgeAusagresor thats the problem developers need to seriously develop games for linux13:21
kudaranyone experiencing slow wifi with 7.10?13:21
ForgeAuslike Blizzard and and so forth13:21
Jucatokblin: unfortunately, "first hand recommendations" are alway subjective and personal :)13:21
agresor :)13:21
ForgeAusor at least *nix compatible ones13:21
agresorForgeAus,  yeag13:21
nosrednaekimagresor: doom,neverwinter nights, unreal tournament, americas army... oh yes.. there are games for linu ;)13:22
ForgeAusplatform independant would be a better idea :)13:22
agresornosrednaekim,  ?13:22
Jucatoooh neverwinter nights! that reminds me...13:22
agresorplaying with wine ?13:22
* Jucato does some researching.. laters13:22
agresoror cedega ?13:22
agresorit is stupid.13:22
ForgeAusor xover office13:22
Jucatoit isn't :P13:22
agresorYOu newer get grapich like on win13:22
stdinagresor: no, those are native games13:22
nosrednaekimagresor: all native13:22
Jucatoagresor: they run natively13:22
agresoroke :)13:22
kblinagresor: that's wrong, btw13:22
Jucatoresearch before you condemn :)13:22
kblinagresor: there's games that run in wine just fine13:22
ForgeAusJucato sounds like good advice :)13:23
agresori get installed BIND913:23
ForgeAusI only wish I took it more often13:23
agresorand now runing my nameserver13:23
Jucatohaha :)13:23
stdinmost games run better in wine than they do in windows13:23
agresorlisten problem please :D13:23
agresorit is funny13:23
titanix88hey anyone know how to reinstall grub after xp install?:(i tried a lot but never succeded. any easy semi noob guide?13:23
agresorand now i get 2 box13:23
nosrednaekimand on the open source side, " sauerbraten, tremulous, bzflag, freecol, wesnoth...."13:23
ForgeAusstdin? interesting13:23
stdin!grub | titanix8813:23
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto13:23
agresorone is linux kubuntu and other is windows VISTA13:23
ubotutitanix88: please see above13:23
agresorand i get NAT connection13:23
ForgeAusI had trouble getting alot of popcap/reflexive arcade games working in *nix13:23
kblinstdin: that's really game-dependant13:23
ForgeAusthat and they ALWAYS wanted to change my screen res :(13:24
ForgeAusso I had to xrandr almost each time13:24
stdinForgeAus: a lot of people report better FPS rates than on windows13:24
agresorcan anyone check does my nameserver works propertly ?13:24
agresor ???13:24
agresoror is check of that posible ?13:24
roland_my soundcard is installed and i can "see", how kaffeine plays a song.13:24
ForgeAusstdin, for 3d games? sure I can understand that13:24
stdinkblin: I know, that's why i said "most" :)13:24
roland_but i can't hear anything :-(13:24
ForgeAusLinux is more efficient at 3D stuff it seems13:24
stdinForgeAus: not just 3d, but yeah13:24
ForgeAusbut I don't play many 3D games13:24
kblinForgeAus: please report bugs about those13:24
ForgeAuskblin I can't be certain they're bugs...13:25
stdinForgeAus: linux is generally more efficient with CPU and memory allocation13:25
ForgeAusone thing I know Bejeweled 2 worked nicely :)13:25
kblinForgeAus: if wine doesn't restore your resolution properly, that's a bug13:25
ForgeAusstdin, possibly I don't know the facts on that one what I do know, is that I don't seem to notice a problem with those things under windows.. probably depends on my application or how critical that issue is to me13:26
ForgeAus(which is .. as far as I'm aware of ... not very critical)13:26
stdinForgeAus: start windows, just after it stops loading open the task manager and look at the memory used. then, do the same in linux ;)13:27
ForgeAusis gutsy in alpha / beta or an equivalent or is it a major release? (as much as Edgy, Feisty, etc were)13:27
Minnozzdoes anybody know how I can let my mobile phone connect to the internet via bluetooth => my pc ?13:27
ramiI cant use limewire since the upgrade, whats wrong?13:27
kblinwhich reminds me, are the new closed source ati video drivers worth the disk space?13:27
stdinit's released, like edgy, feisty, etc13:27
ForgeAuswow, thats quick13:28
stdinForgeAus: 6 month release cycle :)13:28
ForgeAusseemed like only a month or two ago (although I'm well aware it was much longer) that edgy was the major version at the time13:28
nosrednaekimkblin: not until the 8.42's13:28
ForgeAusand fiesty was on its way in13:28
lellohi to all!13:28
stdinjust wait until Hardy13:28
lelloanyone can help me with a hal problem?13:28
ForgeAuswhat happens when they run out of letters and get to zesty zebra?13:28
ForgeAusor wait is there an animal that starts with X?13:29
stdinthey probably start again13:29
ForgeAusor an adjective for that matter :)13:29
nosrednaekimlello: what is the error?13:30
tysonswwhat is the main diference beetwen ubuntu and kubutu13:30
nosrednaekim!kubuntu | tysonsw13:30
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: gnome and kde13:30
ubotutysonsw: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE13:30
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.13:30
ubotu!GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu13:31
lellonosrednaekim: after upgrade 7.10 from 7.04, can't configure (and start) hal demon13:33
nosrednaekimlello: try "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart"13:33
lellonosrednaekim: now I've remove it from system. So I can reinstall and then use this command?13:34
nosrednaekimyeah... reinstall it.13:34
nosrednaekimlello: don't ever remove things like that... it can totally ruin your syste,13:34
nosrednaekimHAL, dbus, kernels are things you don't want to remove13:35
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs13:35
lelloI now nosrednaekim, but it seem to doesn't finalize installation and also upgrading of all other packages13:35
nosrednaekimlello: what?13:36
lellonosrednaekim: when I upgrade some pakages or other application, Adept says that can't commit changes13:37
nosrednaekimdid you reinstall hal?13:37
lellonosrednaekim: here the output of your command (with some cuts): "invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed." - after starting hal13:37
lelloof course I had reinstall hal13:38
nosrednaekimlello: ouch....13:38
lellonosrednaekim: what mean ouch.... 8-(13:39
nosrednaekimlello: it means "not good at all"13:39
nosrednaekimlello: whatever you do, don't reboot13:39
tysonswdoes any1 know were I can find wireless drivers??13:39
lellonosrednaekim: I gues... but there a way to solve?13:39
nosrednaekim!hardware | tysonsw13:39
ubotutysonsw: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport13:39
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lellonosrednaekim: also the error at the end of hal install: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"13:40
stupidgirlhai, how to make something start at startup in kde? like compiz13:41
lellonosrednaekim: also knetworkmanager can't work, and also kde-desktop13:42
nosrednaekimlello: erkk I don't know how to fix that...13:42
ubotuTo make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.13:42
nosrednaekimlello: knetworkmanager relies on HAL.13:42
stupidgirloook thanks nosrednaekim  what if i want 2 make it "compiz --replace"13:43
lellonosrednaekim: any idea?13:43
nosrednaekimstupidgirl: create a .desktop file in that DIR and make the associated command "compiz --replace"13:44
attunixWhat libraries do I need installed to program in GTK?13:44
nosrednaekimlello: ok...let us try something... try a reboot.13:44
stupidgirlook nosrednaekim  thnx13:44
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs13:45
ubotuGTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI13:45
nosrednaekimattunix: that would be a question more suitable for #ubuntu13:45
attunixnosrednaekim: ok13:45
attunixGerrit: with mplayer you can play dvds with no codecs13:45
lellonosrednaekim: I reboot a lot of time. The strange thing is that system is stable and I can use all my USB pendrive and printer13:46
stupidgirlwhat do u mean by associated command, nosrednaekim , do i just put that in the file13:46
stupidgirlsorry im a noob13:46
nosrednaekimlello: huh....odd, so what doesn't work?13:46
Gerritattunix: mplayer says: Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd13:46
nosrednaekimstupidgirl: get the kcontrol module for autostarting...13:47
lellonosrednaekim: at this moments nothing but I think it is an important component, or not?13:47
TheKingIs there something wrong with apt-get?13:47
GerritI'm trying to play a DVD with mplayer. In /var/log/syslog it says: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41510/13:48
WaltzingAlongTheKing: no13:48
TheKingOk, I am having problems using it.13:48
WaltzingAlong!aptfix | TheKing13:48
ubotuTheKing: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »13:48
TheKingI will try that.13:48
TheKingI have a KILL process warning, should I allow it?13:50
plooperhey, kubuntu keeps freesing up after being up for around 10 mins. Anyone know what could be causing this?13:51
lellonosrednaekim: so I can use system without this daemon?13:51
nosrednaekimlello: if everything is orking for you... sure!13:52
nosrednaekimlello: linux didn't have it for 10 years!13:52
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GerritI am trying to read a DVD but I get errors (such as: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41510/ ). However, it has worked once. What can I try?13:53
TheKingWaltzingAlong: The command you told me hasnt worked. I am not using Adept Manager. I am in a Terminal using the command sudo apt-get install alien, but it stops at connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com13:53
WaltzingAlongTheKing: apt-get, adept, aptitude, synaptic, and the others are, as far as i know, frontends to apt13:54
WaltzingAlongTheKing: but what you are mentioning is timeouts in connecting to the repository13:54
lellonosrednaekim: ah ok! I think it is important... but you know a technical forum where I can find some solved problem like this (not ubuntu forums) ?13:54
TheKingMy Internet Connection is running perfectly.13:55
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WaltzingAlongsure TheKing so it can be other things; use a mirror or try again later or diagnose further13:56
WaltzingAlong!mirrors | TheKing13:56
ubotuTheKing: Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php13:56
nosrednaekimlello: no..I don't... but www.linuxquestions.org ussualy has alot of technical people.13:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about repositoreis - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi13:57
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu13:57
aztunanyone knows when vmware-server package will be avaiable on gutsy commercial repository?13:57
tjohnsonhi there13:57
lellonosrednaekim: thank you very much!13:57
WaltzingAlongTheKing: sorry i meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors13:57
TheKingIts ok13:57
gnuteredI have a problem with Kubuntu.  I went through the process to install XGL and compiz, and now it seems that even normal X doesn't start the KDE window decorator.  I have since removed xserver-xgl and restarted X but that still doesn't seem to help.  Clues?13:57
gnutered(this uis Gutsy, on a Dell Inspiron 6400, ATi graphics card)13:58
WaltzingAlonggnutered: have you also removed compiz-fusion ?13:58
TheKingWaltzingAlong: I do not want to install Kubuntu over again.13:58
kristinahi, when I select an image (for example) in dolphin the preview stays that of the folder, even though the actions are the ones of the image. is that a bug or something?13:58
gnuteredWaltzingAlong: no - should that affect the window decorator in standard X?13:59
WaltzingAlongTheKing: nor do you need to. instead of using us.archive.ubuntu.com you could find others that are close to use at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors13:59
WaltzingAlonggnutered: kwin --replace ?13:59
TheKingBut how do I use these mirrors? (sorry kubuntu noob)13:59
ardchoilleaztun: I believe that's in the Canonical repo now14:00
aztunardchoille: I cant find it14:00
ardchoilleaztun: Sorry, Canonical > Main14:00
WaltzingAlongTheKing: read up on changing your sources.list file;14:00
ardchoilleaztun:  http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/v/14:00
WaltzingAlong!source-o-matic | TheKing14:00
ubotuTheKing: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic14:00
gnuteredWaltzingAlong: there is actually no compiz-fusion package - it looks like it's compiz now.  And I can workaround with running kde-window-decorator, but that's a band-aid14:01
aztunardchoille: when I do "apt-cache search vmware-server" I only the the modules packages14:01
WaltzingAlongaztun: as far as i know it is not yet available in gutsy's canonical repository14:01
ardchoilleaztun: You need to add  "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy main" to your sources, then update, then search14:01
aztunthx ardchoille, gonna try14:02
ardchoilleWaltzingAlong: It's there14:02
WaltzingAlongardchoille: thanks14:02
ardchoilleaztun: Want a command to do it all at once?14:02
sn00pyhi! I wanted to find out which network drivers are in use. so I typed in "lsmod". it doesn't show madwifi but "ath_pci". is ath_pci another network driver?14:02
sn00pyi think i need madwifi for aircrack14:02
TheKingAnother noobish question, where is the sources.list file located14:03
vltHello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M?14:03
gnuteredTheKing: /etc/apt14:03
WaltzingAlongTheKing: /etc/apt/sources.list14:03
aztunImposible obtener http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)14:03
aztunit doesnt work14:03
TheKingI cannot write to the file. I do not have the required permisssions.14:04
WaltzingAlongardchoille: could not find vmware-server in archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy main14:04
WaltzingAlongTheKing: right, alt+f2; kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list14:04
ardchoilleWaltzingAlong: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vmware-server/14:04
aztunI added this line to sources.list "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy main"14:04
aztunbut it doesnt work14:04
WaltzingAlongardchoille: sure i know it was there for feisty14:05
karthikeyanSOS help!!!!! I messed up with Kubuntu 7.10 and lost the file /usr/bin/libasound.so.2 , can any one email me that file14:05
aztunardchoille: maybe those are packages for gutsy?14:05
WaltzingAlongkarthikeyan: reinstall the package that provided it14:05
ardchoilleaztun: WaltzingAlong has a point, maybe it's there for Feisty but ot for Gutsy14:05
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion14:06
karthikeyanbut how to re install14:06
aztunkarthikeyan: download it yourself14:06
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto14:06
karthikeyanI wil lok for it14:06
BluesKajHowdy folks ...64bit Gutsy is "almost" there ...Google Earth works but it's kinda slow. Was reading on Mark shuttleworth's blog that ATI is working to gether some Linux teams to come up with a driver that will finally do the job for most cards sold within the last few yrs ...let's hope this works out14:07
Jucatoaztun: were you trying to install opera?14:08
gnuteredkarthikeyan: a better way should be: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libasound214:08
karthikeyanwil try14:08
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aztunJucato: im trying to install vmware-server on gutsy14:09
Jucatoand the canonical repository is blocking you?14:09
aztunand I´d like to do it using oficial respos14:09
aztunnot compiling14:09
aztunI cant find the vmware-server package on canonical repos14:10
Jucatoaztun: remove the archive.canonical.com repository, it's the wrong repo14:10
Jucatoyes, it doesn't have one14:10
gnuteredaztun: I agree - it appears that vmware-server is not yet available in gutsy repos14:10
aztunso the only solution is to compile14:10
aztunor wait for the repo upgrade14:10
Jucatovmware-server can't be available in the official ubuntu repos, that's why it's in the commercial canonical repos14:10
gnuteredaztun: or just install from the tarball from vmware.com14:10
gnuteredworks for me14:10
Jucatoaztun: might be a long wait, but either way, that canonical repo is malformatted14:11
aztunyea, I know gnutered , I have done it many times14:11
ardchoilleHow can I compile my kernel?14:11
aztunbut I prefer commercial repos for easier upgrade later14:11
BluesKajwhere's eagles123 or whatever his nick is ...he knows which site has the vmware server tutorial and the right repos as well14:11
gnuteredaztun: agree.  But even with feisty for some reason I can't remember I used the tarballs over the repos.  I think I had problems getting the packages to work for some reason14:13
MinnozzHow can I discover the 'name' (for in /etc/network/interfaces) of my usb bluetooth dongle?14:13
gnuteredJucato: the partner repo (replaces the commercial repo) only has opera in it at the moment14:13
Jucatognutered: yep14:13
JucatoI meant the format of his repository14:13
aztunyes gnutered, Im using partner repo14:14
Jucatodeb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy main --> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner (I think)14:14
aztunyes Jucato14:14
aztunthats the line I have on my sources.list14:14
Jucato<aztun> Imposible obtener http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)14:14
Jucato<aztun> I added this line to sources.list "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy main"14:14
Jucatoaccording to you, it isn't14:15
aztunwith that lines I get an error14:15
aztunwith this one is works: "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner"14:15
aztunbut cant find vmware-server package14:15
aguitelanyone use devices with chipset Realtek 8180L ?14:15
ardchoilleaztun: It's not there yet. I gave you the wrong info, sorry.14:16
aztunno problem ardchoille :)14:16
aztuney guys, U know any grafical tool to configure compiz on ubuntu similar to beryl-manager?14:17
aztunon kubuntu14:17
agresorwhy i can not install14:18
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I cnat get it to work14:18
ubotuKubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion14:18
agresori always get to 82%14:18
agresorconfiguring apt...14:18
agresorScaning MIrrors... :s14:18
agresorand it stops there..14:18
fluffmanaztun: follow directions above ^14:18
agresori almost brake my pc :)14:18
aztunI have allready seen that fluffman14:18
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I cnat get it to work14:18
agresorhow can fix that error ?14:18
aztunbut there is no info about gui to configure compiz on kubuntu14:19
aztunthx fluffman14:19
fluffmanit's under K Menu > settings14:19
aztungonna try compiz14:19
fluffmanyw, aztun14:19
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I cnat get it to work14:19
aztunbecause beryl is too overblooated for me14:19
gnuteredwell WaltzingAlong, it seems that removing compiz and then restarting X has made my window decorator happy14:20
aztungonna restart X14:20
aztunsee u14:20
fluffmanaztun: if beryl is bloated, then don't bother with compiz14:20
aztunwhy fluffman??14:20
gnuteredWaltzingAlong: so, thanks14:20
aztunI though is simpler than beryl....14:20
fluffmanit's worse14:20
aztunisnt it?14:20
fluffmanberyl seemed light and easy14:20
Jucatoberyl no longer exists per se :)14:20
fluffmancompiz WAS lighter, but when they merged compiz got BLOATED14:20
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I can't get it to work14:20
arcadeso, hohum.  How do I get the compiz stuff in 7.10, I wonder. :-)14:20
Jucatofluffman: I thought you can still opt not to have compiz-extras (w/c is beryl)14:21
aztunim gonna try14:21
fluffmanaztun: that's the best14:21
Jucatobasically compiz-core is still the original compiz + a few stuff added14:21
fluffmanjust try and find out for yourself14:21
Jucatoaztun: if you need help, #compiz-fusion people are willing to offer assitance14:21
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I can't get it to work14:21
Jucato(or you could try #ubuntu as well)14:21
karthikeyanYa sound is working , thanks a lot!14:22
arcadeI feel kind of silly. :)  Just upgraded to 7.10 to try the compiz-stuff, and i'm having trouble finding out where to configure it in kubuntu (the Ubuntu-docs seems to be talking about where in gnome to click)14:22
fluffman!compiz | arcade14:22
ubotuarcade: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion14:22
tysonswi need help with ndiswrapper.. I can't get it to work14:23
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs14:24
Jucatotysonsw: ^^^14:24
arcadefluffman: ah. :)14:24
Kenichiadept crashed in 7.04 and now it closed how to fix?14:26
Jucato!adeptcrash | Kenichi14:26
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi14:26
Jucato!aptfix | Kenichi14:26
ubotuKenichi: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »14:26
Jucatoah, adeptcrashfix... *headdesks*14:26
LjL-Temp!adeptcrash is <alias> adept crash fix14:27
LjL-Temp!apt-fix is <alias> adept crash fix14:27
LjL-Temp!adeptfix is <alias> adept crash fix14:27
JucatoI could have done that :)14:27
LjL-Tempi'm not logged in.14:27
Jucato!adeptcrash is <alias> adept crash fix14:27
ubotuI'll remember that, Jucato14:27
LjL-TempJucato: yeah but lately i've seen this factoid called in just about every possible (non-working) way :)14:27
Jucato!apt-fix is <alias> adept crash fix14:27
Kenichithat crash happens all the time when upgrading to kde 3.5.814:28
fluffmanadept keeps telling me a new distro is available14:29
[ifr0g]hi, how do i find my fully qualified host name ?14:29
fluffmanbut apt-get is smarter14:29
fluffmanany ideas on how to make it stop?14:29
Jucatofluffman: known bug.14:29
* Jucato thinks it will be fixed soon14:29
fluffmanthanks, Jucato14:29
* fluffman was sitting here changing all of my repos to say feisty, then dist-upgrading again14:30
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WaltzingAlonggnutered: yeah i thought perhaps compiz was still active14:33
Jucatoit is... as compiz-fusion14:33
WaltzingAlong[ifr0g]: you could use localhost (referring to a setting needed with squid, for example)14:34
bjwebbwhat program is good for searching special characters?14:34
Jucatokcharselect ?14:34
spirooHow do I install KDE4 Beta 3. Do not link me to that page. I do not understand what I should do after I have installed kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev.14:36
attunixDoes Gutsy have KDE4?14:37
spirooNot built in14:37
fluffmanspiroo: go to that page14:37
fluffmanand actually TYPE what it says14:37
bjwebbhmmm how can i search?14:37
spirooanyway, does anybody know how to do it. fluffman: NO!14:37
fluffmanin TTY, type: export KDE blah blah blah14:38
spirooI wanna hear how I should do because I did not do it right last time14:38
Jucatokde4 **BETA** 314:38
WaltzingAlongattunix: no kde 3.5.8 ships with kubuntu 7.10 (gutsy)14:38
spirooI ACTUALLY did what it says on that page, but does not work, or I did it wrong. PLease help me anyone14:38
Jucatoheheh if you said "with" it would be the other way around :)14:38
fluffmanok you typed everything spiroo?14:39
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.14:39
spirooyes I guess so14:39
WaltzingAlongthought i corrected quick enough, guess not ;D14:39
fluffmannow, do cp /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop14:39
WaltzingAlongspiroo: which things did you do? where did you get stuck? what 'does not work'? what were you expecting and what happened instead?14:39
spirooJucato: I know, but it actually does not work.14:39
bjwebbhow do i insertunicode characters using keyboard?14:40
Jucatowhat doesn't work? how doesn't it work? what are you trying to do?14:40
WaltzingAlongspiroo: had you installed kdebase-workspace ?14:40
spirooI think I did all of them, nothing happened after reboot14:40
fluffmanyes he had14:40
sytholhi everybody14:40
Jucatospiroo: you don't need to reboot14:40
spiroothe export things, how SHOULD I run them?14:40
spirooIn terminal right?14:40
Jucatospiroo: to run a single kde4 beta3 app, you need to use Konsole, enter those 4 export commands14:40
Jucatothen run a kde4 beta3 app by name14:40
Jucato(like dolphin, konqueror, whatever)14:41
acrabunialquien habla aqui español14:41
kaminixHow do I enable .svg uploads to my Mediawiki?14:41
sytholCan somebody tell me how can i install ftp server on my ubuntu 7.1014:41
LjL!es | acrabuni14:41
ubotuacrabuni: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.14:41
ubotuFTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd, !MuddleFTPd, !wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP14:41
LjLsythol: apt-get install yourfavouriteserver14:41
spiroookay, should I enter the export lines in terminal?14:41
lil_cainhello. Just upgraded to gutsy, was able to restart x no problems. When I reboot though, it only gives my virtual ttys, it doesn't seem to bes starting x. Init 5 is just crashing the machine14:41
Jucatospiroo:in Konsole, yes14:41
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gusty and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.14:41
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE14:41
WaltzingAlongsythol: also look into sftp access (ftp interface to ssh)14:41
acrabunialquien de venezuela14:42
LjL!ru | alvor14:42
ubotualvor: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke14:42
spirooWhat about Xephyr and that things?14:42
LjL!es | acrabuni, por favor hable ingles aqui14:42
ubotuacrabuni, por favor hable ingles aqui: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.14:42
Jucatospiroo: Xephyr is only for "To avoid having to start a second X server for a full session"14:42
spirooJucato: What actually does that mean then?14:43
Jucatospiroo: if you want to start kde4 beta3 as a full session. as in a regular kde session/login. but without starting a new X server.14:43
spirooI can read on internet, but I do not understand what it actually points to.14:43
Jucatoit will run inside a window14:43
Jucatofull session = full, normal, regular, login/desktop session14:44
spirooThe last thing then, KDE 4.desktop, does not work to edit that file and add those exportl ines14:44
JucatoXephyr = allows you to have an X session inside a window14:44
spiroookay thanks for clarify that14:44
ardchoilleI can see how that would be useful14:45
juan_acrabuni i am from venezuela14:45
Jucatoardchoille: except it doesn't do hardware accelerated stuff. so no fancy effects14:45
ubotuadept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto14:46
ardchoilleJucato: heh, no comment :)14:47
MaTiAzwhat were the commands to use if adept crashed and the database was locked?14:47
ubotuIf an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »14:47
MaTiAzardchoille: thanks14:47
juan_i am using konversation, where do i fin a list of servers?14:49
LjLjuan_: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/FAQ#Where_is_the_server_list.3F14:51
tysonswany1 know a way to install wireless drivers without using wrapper or th ubunutu webside14:52
WaltzingAlongjuan_: you can import mirc's server list14:53
_6502_hello... after upgrading from faisty to gutsy my soundcard (reported by lspci as an NVidia MCP61) stopped working (with feisty was working fine); any pointers for this problem ?14:53
tysonswany1 know a way to install wireless drivers without using wrapper or th ubunutu webside14:53
spiroookay now some apps works. How do I do the rest in kde4 beta 3?14:53
_6502_NVidia MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2), that is14:54
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: yes14:54
WaltzingAlong!wifi > tysonsw14:54
tysonswWaltzingAlong I have already tried that14:55
bjwebbwhat keyboard shortcut will input a unicode character?14:55
VSpikeis krfb protocol compatible with vnc?14:55
WaltzingAlongspiroo: a full session? instructions are at the same site http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php14:55
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: and which wireless chipset do you have?14:55
spirooI runned plasma and all programs I had dissapeared, is that correct?14:56
tysonswWaltzingAlong how do I find that one?? don't remember the command :p14:56
WaltzingAlongstart with lspci in konsole but that does not show the chipset14:56
tysonswWaltzingAlong done.. now what?14:57
bjwebbwhat keyboard shortcut will input a unicode character?14:57
WaltzingAlongbjwebb: ask google. otherwise repeat no more often than 15 minutes in here. thanks14:58
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: find the one referring to your wireless, which is it?14:59
tysonswWaltzingAlong: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)14:59
bjwebbWaltzingAlong: soory14:59
spirooWhen I started Xephyr and plasma. The taskbar does not show any apps. Should it was that?15:00
baudthiefIs moving from feisty to Gutsy worth the effort?15:00
Jucatospiroo: yes. that's normal for the *beta3*15:00
WaltzingAlongbaudthief: depends on you15:01
spirooOKay, can someone explain last step for me? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php15:01
baudthiefWaltzingAlong: Is it more stable :p15:01
WaltzingAlonghave you had stability problems with kubuntu 7.04? baudthief15:01
spirooI have been copy that file but I do not know how I should change name and edit15:01
_6502_baudthief: i just did, and my soundcard is not working any more, for example15:01
ardchoilleHow can I add icons/entries to the location shown in konqueror when I go to "system:/" ?15:02
baudthief_6502_: gasp, heh - Audigy support in ubuntu is crap as is, I need sound ;\15:02
baudthiefWaltzingAlong: Unsure if its an issue with feisty or not, occasional hiccups - most force me to reboot at least once a day15:02
tysonswWaltzingAlong: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)15:02
tekteenanyone know how to change the desktop icons that show up on the kubuntu live cd?15:03
WaltzingAlongbaudthief: no luck diagnosing it?15:03
spirooHow do I start an application in plasma?15:03
_6502_baudthief: hehehe... consider that i passed from debian to ubuntu because the live cd of feisty was seeeing my soundcard with no problems...15:03
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: give google a query of that plus ubuntu15:03
ardchoilletekteen: You realise that any changes you make to the live session will be gone when you reboot, right?15:04
WaltzingAlongtysonsw: otherwise seems you can use bcm43xx15:04
baudthiefWaltzingAlong: I've had many issues I've tried getting help with to no avail - It's been a painful transition from Windows to Ubuntu heh :p15:04
tekteenI am modifing before burning15:04
juanmy kopete crashes all the time when trying to connect to msn15:04
baudthiefeven with the instabilities, I find it far better to use15:04
_6502_juan__: it's a known problem, google for it15:04
ardchoillejuan: Mine does too.15:04
tekteenI can change it when it start15:04
spirooAnyone? Is KDE4 Beta 3 okay to test or does it get problem?15:04
Roberutojuan google for kopete beastie15:04
Jucatojuan: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/15350015:05
Roberutoyea that one15:05
Jucatospiroo: it gets problems, specially if you don't know how to use it properly yet15:05
tekteenardchoille: have you ever modified the cd before burning?15:06
WaltzingAlongkopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit15:06
baudthiefIs that "false start" problem solved in KDE4? lol15:06
spirooOkay, I guess it would be smarter if I wait then :P But it should be done in december right?15:06
azukwhee, I finally managed to install kubuntu.  is there some graphical thingamabob for configuring grub so that I can get rid of splash permanently?15:06
spirooTo bad that the graphics in KDE4 is uglier than KDe 3.5 :D15:07
baudthiefspiroo: damn lol15:07
tekteenanyone here know how to modify the live cd?15:08
ardchoilletekteen: No15:08
WaltzingAlongspiroo: kde4beta3; not meant as final or ready for non-dev use15:08
miirhaving trouble configuring Kopete =( , is there an alternative way to add a new account rather then having to through the settings tab ? Pehaps through the terminal ?15:08
spirooI just want a clean desktop without the ugly grey color. Like glas look like Vista kind a, but sometimes it just get to much. KDE is so blurry :D Can I change myself?15:08
WaltzingAlongspiroo: but play and enjoy, then give the detailed feedback to the dev team15:09
spiroookay :)15:09
Jucatospiroo: the artwork for KDE 4 is far from finished15:09
spirooi guess so15:09
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juanazuk to get rid of bootsplash you have to configure your /bott/grub/menu.lst15:09
spirooI really hope they will compile the new Kopete version into KDE4 when release15:09
baudthiefoh man, Portal / HL2 ep 2 very nearly ALMOST run perfectly under wine15:09
baudthiefexcept for the weird changes in hue every second.15:10
baudthieflike everything turns green, then purple, then red15:10
spirooKopete is the only msn-IM that works kind a.15:10
Jucatospiroo: they will. but it's a straight, no new features added port from KDE 3 to KDE 415:10
miirThe prblem I have is that when I open settings , the first tab that opens is the webcam configuration and because my webcam won't work atm kopete just crashes ... meaning I can't add new accounts such as MSN , IRC and so on15:10
Jucatoso don't expect any fancy new feature yet15:10
spirooJucato: :(15:10
miiranyone have a good solutino ?15:10
spirooJucato: I does not want any fancy features. I jsut want it should work15:10
Jucatospiroo: the previous plan was not to have Kopete for KDE 4.0 yet (just use KDE 3)15:10
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Jucatothey were going to wait for KDE 4.0.x or 4.1.. but then decide to try and make it for 4.015:11
azukjuan, ok, thanks.  if I have to edit things manually, I think I rather install lilo which I'm familiar with15:11
spirooJucato: Okay :P I hope they solve the problem with file sharing then :)15:11
_6502_hello... after upgrading from feisty to gutsy my soundcard (reported by lspci as an NVidia MCP61 High Definition Audio rev a2) stopped working (with feisty was working fine); any pointers for this problem ?15:11
juanazuk you could do it by typing in the termina, : sudo pico /boot/grun/menu.lst15:11
juanazuk and delete quiet splash  in15:12
spirooFiles has been a problem in Linux. Does not work properly to send files from drive to drive or send from drive to internet and so on.15:12
juantitle           Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic15:12
juanroot            (hd0,0)15:12
juankernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=d0dfaf77-40c1-40dd-965e-576463249161 ro quiet splash15:12
juaninitrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic15:12
Jucatomiir: you can ask in #kopete if there's a dcop command to add an account15:12
Jucato!flood | juan15:12
ubotujuan: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)15:12
spirooI hope more stablelizing will be in the future.15:13
miirJucato: thx =)15:13
LjLjuan: deleting "quiet splash" *there* is not a good idea, because next time grub-update is invoked, they would be restored. it should be edited, rather, in the commented-out "kopt" line15:13
juansorry guys, didn't know that was going to happen15:13
Jucatospiroo: don't expect KDE 4.0 (emphasis on the .0) to be exactly 100% polished or finished15:13
spirooJucato: I dont, I hope15:14
Jucatospiroo: KDE 4 will be a long series of releases, from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2 etc15:14
LjLor anything close to working :P15:14
juanLjL that's what i normally do and i haven't had any problems so far15:14
spirooJucato: Of course it will be15:14
JucatoLjL: it's actually working fine except for Plasma15:14
LjLjuan: that's probably because you haven't yet upgraded your kernel15:14
LjLJucato: which used to be the most hyped part :)15:14
Jucatoand sadly15:14
spirooI hope for better solutions, not more features. Why wanna be Vista with plastic, toolbars and gadgets?15:15
juanLjL yes, you are totally right, everytime there is a kernel upgrade i have to do it again15:15
juani don't know any other way15:15
azukjuan, I'll manage, I'm just learning all this ubuntu GUI stuff so I was hoping there would have been a way to configure these things via system settings or something like that15:15
Jucatospiroo: it's not wanna be Vista. and the features *are* the solutions15:15
spirooJust want a clean OS, not a grey oldschool one though. You can do a nice looking one without all special effects.15:16
Chairman_WowHi, I'm trying to upgrade to 7.10. Can't get the "version update" button to appear on adept.15:16
Jucatospiroo: if you are already judging it by how it looks, I'm afraid you've missed the whole point15:16
boubbinklipper keeps opening the pop-up menu when i select url in firefox addressbar, i have set that it wont affect firefox and firefox-bin etc in klippers settings, but still, how can i fix this ?15:16
spirooJucato: It is wanna-be-Vista :D15:16
ardchoilleJucato: lol15:16
LjLjuan: where it says "additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the alternatives" : # defoptions=quiet splash15:16
abea doubt in kde4, i need to put the "exports" line at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde but, is really at the top? of a couple line later15:16
spirooJucato: Whats the point then?15:16
Jucatothe point is: you should research and read and inform yourself15:17
Jucatoand "don't judge a book by its cover"15:17
Jucatoanyway, offtopic for here :)15:17
spirooYes I know that. But the core is not the best either.15:17
spiroookay sorry15:17
Jucatospiroo: how do you even know the core is not the best? all you've been complaining about is how it looks!15:18
LjLJucato: you don't judge the *contents* of the book, but you do judge the *usability* of the book-object itself - how likely pages are to break off, etc :)15:18
ardchoillespiroo: At least it doesn't support every virus/worm/trojan on the planet :)15:18
WaltzingAlongspiroo: better features such as?15:18
JucatoLjL: you judge a book based on its entirety. the best bound book is useless if it contains 1 letter per page15:18
spirooThe only feature I want is that all things should work.15:18
Jucatoit will. you're judging it too much based on how it looks and on a beta release15:19
_6502_spiroo: especially the soundcard :-)15:19
LjLJucato: and the best written book is very annoying if every page of it just flies free in the air as soon as you try to open it15:19
ardchoillespiroo: You can't guarantee that in any operating system, sorry15:19
WaltzingAlongspiroo: which things? which things do you use? connecting printers and printing right away? or video cards and proprietary drivers or what?15:19
JucatoLjL: hence "in its entirety" :)15:19
Jucatobinding, contents, cover, etc.15:19
Jucatoanyway, I'm gone15:20
swanflhi, where do i get help with kde4 beta 3?15:20
LjLJucato: also, if you get a new bookcase that doesn't fit your old books in well or at all, you won't be happy :)15:20
spirooSound, Graphics, Standards (Not create new ones), better Office like KOffice, Network support should be better, Photoshop or anything which has the same GUI would be great, Something like Daemon-Tools, better torrent-tools and so on ....15:20
baudthiefswanfl:  you don't lol15:20
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Jucato"Standards (Not create new ones)" hahahha!!!15:20
LjLspiroo, you're talking about applications there mostly, not KDE itself15:20
ardchoilleswanfl: #kde ?15:20
kukmanHow I can see the list of deamons?15:20
LjLkukman: system administration / system services15:21
Jucatokukman: you can press Ctrl+Esc to see all running processes15:21
LjLin kcontrol (not sure in system settings)15:21
JucatoSystem Settings -> Advanced tab -> System Services15:21
Jucatokukman: ^^^15:21
spirooJucato: I mean follow "standards" like the ones on the market like Flash, MP3 for instance.15:21
LjLspiroo don't ever say that again. please!15:21
Jucatospiroo: what are you talking about?15:21
WaltzingAlongspiroo: ok so that is a quick overview, how about one layer deeper with it all? what else? how so?15:22
_6502_is there a way in gutsy to downgrade just alsa back to what feisty was using ?15:22
dagulaghow can i use compiz on kubuntu 7.10????15:22
spirooIt does not support them fully I mean in OS15:22
WaltzingAlongJucato: i asked what spiroo desired of kubuntu (rather than just pretty vista-wanna be stuff)15:22
Jucatospiroo: 1. that has nothing to do with KDE. 2. those are proprietary and not ISO standards.15:22
Jucato!compiz | spiroo15:22
ubotuspiroo: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion15:22
WaltzingAlongKubuntu is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled) by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion15:22
swanflhow do i run programs in beta3?15:22
LjLspiroo: those are not "standards", those are proprietary stuff that's mostly patented and/or kept secret, with third-party implementations being highly discouraged and disadvantaged15:22
Chairman_WowHi, I'm trying to upgrade to 7.10. Can't get the "version update" button to appear on adept.15:23
spirooDo we speak of Kubuntu overall or KDE? A little bit confused here :D15:23
Jucatospiroo: you were talking about KDE 4 weren't you?15:23
LjLWaltzingAlong: you aren't a bot are you?15:23
Chairman_Wowcan anyone help?15:23
abeswanfl: i am wondering the same15:23
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?15:23
Jucatoflaccid: he already asked ifyou haven't noticed15:24
spirooLJL: It was why I wrote "standards" and not standards.15:24
flaccidi was expecting a better factoid15:24
WaltzingAlongLjL: just have quick ways to put some things in the channel (was very helpful for when 7.10 was released and the bots were down or extremely slow)15:24
flaccidlike 'someone will help if they can'15:24
Jucato<spiroo> Sound, Graphics, Standards (Not create new ones), better Office like KOffice, Network support should be better, Photoshop or anything which has the same GUI would be great, Something like Daemon-Tools, better torrent-tools and so on .... <---- no you didn't say "Standards" :)15:24
LjLspiroo: well, then perhaps i misunderstood you - but if you're looking for support for those "standards", that has little to nothing to do with KDE 415:24
spirooKDE and Kubuntu is quite tight up I guess.15:24
LjLWaltzingAlong: i see, i just hope you aren't triggered by ! :)15:25
swanflwhy is there no K menu in beta3?15:25
JucatoChairman_Wow: have you made sure Pre-released updates is enabled in Adept?15:25
flaccidubuntu prod = beta software :p15:25
WaltzingAlongLjL: :D15:25
Jucatoswanfl: short answer there really isn't one15:25
WaltzingAlongflaccid: all software = beta software?15:25
LjLspiroo, Kubuntu uses KDE, but they're definitely separate entities... stuff like MP3 and Flash is to be supported (or not) by Kubuntu, not by KDE15:25
swanflhi Jucato nice to see you15:25
flaccidno it doesnt15:25
spirooOkay, hmm I guess we kind misunderstood each other here. Mostly from my side I guess.15:25
swanflso in order to beate test this, I have to know the program names?15:25
WaltzingAlongswanfl: sure or you can run a full session15:26
Chairman_WowJucato: didn't think you had to do that.15:26
Jucatospiroo: and specially we try not to support proprietary, non-open "standards" (which are only standards because of massive usage, not by any technical standards)15:26
JucatoChairman_Wow: if you followed the guide, you'd see that you have to :)15:26
swanflWaltzingAlong, I am running a full session15:26
swanflit finally shows a taskbar, but i can't do a thing with it15:27
Chairman_WowGuide says "Enable the "Recommended updates" and "Proposed updates" repository, close and reload"15:27
JucatoChairman_Wow: which guide?15:27
JucatoChairman_Wow: yeah propsed = pre-release15:27
WaltzingAlongJucato: so we need to rethink the details in the layer of abstraction we want users to use and know?15:27
miirMy USB-drive (Harddrive 320gb) does no mount when I plug it into the computer , as it used to do under Ubuntu... I hear the drive spin up but nothing happens ... any ideas ?15:28
abeswanfl: where do you put the exports lines in startkde? at the top? i mean before trap 'echo?15:28
JucatoWaltzingAlong: huh? what?15:28
spirooBut I mean like better support for bittorrent, graphics(ps, illustrator, 3d), video (.avi, quicktime, realtime, Windows-shit (I know they suck, but they is there in this world)).15:28
Chairman_WowJucato: Ok, thanks, I'll give it a shot.15:28
Jucatoagain, those are not KDE's areas of concern (at least not directly)15:28
swanflright after #!/bin/bash, directly after15:28
abeswanfl: ok , thanks15:28
WaltzingAlongJucato: the overall view/picture of what is going on with desktop computing via kde or kubuntu;15:29
swanflalso, have they removed the use of the Autostart folder in kde4?15:29
JucatoWaltzingAlong: no. but he was barking on KDE having to support this or that. at least he should be informed properly15:29
abeswanfl: are you in kde4 right now?15:29
WaltzingAlongspiroo: ok so basically an ms windows that is not from ms nor is windows is what you want?15:29
swanflin vmware, yes15:30
kukmanHow I can see the opened sockets ?15:30
Jucatospecially if he keeps on insisting that KDE *must* support these "standards" and features15:30
abei will gonna try it15:30
spirooSome problem in KDE: Languagesupport (Although it is good), the task bar could be done better, windows should autoresize after the content, better support for the graphiccards against the graphics.15:30
kaminixWhat does this error mean? ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host15:30
kaminixI was on just now, just exited to get color prompt. :s15:30
WaltzingAlongJucato: i asked what he wanted or what was missing, yeah15:30
Jucatospiroo: the first 3 are actively worked on. the last one is more a Linux driver problem15:30
spirooWaltzingAlong: Just to make it clear: I HATE Microsoft and Windows, especially Vista15:31
JucatoWaltzingAlong: basically he wants stuff that KDE itself cannot provide or does not handle15:31
Jucatooh yes, and with that hate comes the mentality of "anything shiny = wannabe Vista"15:31
abei am in kde4 :)15:31
WaltzingAlongJucato: and part of the 'kde' this or kubuntu that or ubuntu this, is for some more confusing that it needs to be. technical details that desktop users really need not know15:31
JucatoWaltzingAlong: it's a case to case situation. I don't always try to inform users15:32
WaltzingAlongi was hoping to use it as a view from the outside, not so much as a platform to explain details15:32
abebut theres no menu15:32
spirooJucato: Haha no, anything shiny != Wanna Be Vista. It is the look and feeling. Moslty the glas effects and transaprent things.15:32
Jucatooh yes, and with that hate comes the mentality of "anything shiny, transparent, or glassy = wannabe Vista"15:32
WaltzingAlonghm which came first ... compiz or vista ...15:32
Jucato(despite the fact that compiz was before aero)15:33
swanflthe average dumb user is gonna want a menu15:33
Jucatoswanfl: there will be a menu!15:33
WaltzingAlongJucato: exactly15:33
swanflI guess I should wait till the official release?15:33
Jucatoa beta3 is not exactly something the average dumb user is gonna want to setup and use on his own15:33
abei have a problem ith plasma, plasma appletexplorer not find15:33
swanfli found that too abe15:33
Jucatoabe: hm. yes that's an old bug... I thought I had that fixed before beta315:34
Tm_Tabe: thats what you get with unstable ;)15:34
Jucato(or rather poked aseigo to fix it)15:34
spirooJucato: Does not matter, Microsoft is so big so the thing is that Vista SHOWS more on peoples computers. It get more attention. I does not say Vista (Aero) was first.15:34
WaltzingAlongswanfl: :D no need to jump to dump but sure i know plenty of desktop computers that consider the computer to have an application so long as there is an icon to it (shortcut) on the desktop (ie not considering the menus as a way to get to them and certainly not considering typing names to start them)15:34
DaNi`M1hello, in kubuntu, who command is same function than gksudo in ubuntu?15:34
WaltzingAlongDaNi`M1: kdesu or kdesudo15:34
ubotuIn KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use « sudo <GUI application> »; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo15:34
Jucatospiroo: that's the implication of "wanna be Vista". that Vista was first and everything else is trying to copy15:34
Jucatoeither way this has gone offtopic too much15:34
WaltzingAlongJucato: but that is similar to linux this and that when most of gnu was first15:35
Tm_TJucato: I was just coming to that =)15:35
DaNi`M1WaltzingAlong: thanks :)15:35
WaltzingAlong!ot :D15:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ot :d - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:35
JucatoWaltzingAlong: if you say so. I stopped arguing 5 seconds ago15:35
spirooOkay, Sorry "Vista-Feeling" then :D15:35
* WaltzingAlong had not been arguing15:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about plasma - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi15:35
Jucatoif you prefer not to educate some users when the opportunity arrives, so let it be15:35
* Jucato shuts up now15:36