[01:22] <attunix> Hi. Earlier I came in to ask about writing GUI apps for Ubuntu, and I didn't like pyGTK. Anything C[++]-like?
[01:23] <calc> gtk is C
[01:25] <attunix> calc: but I didn't like pyGTK... that's Python
[01:25] <persia> gtkmm is c++ :)
[01:25] <attunix> anything else
[01:26] <calc> attunix: you wanted to know if there was anything C[++]-like which regular gtk is C so it is very much C like :)
[01:26] <attunix> calc: oh. ok :P
[01:26] <calc> pyGTK is the python bindings so if you want to write in python for gtk/gnome that is what you use...
[01:27] <attunix> Glade pre-setups the interface for you, right?
[01:27] <calc> i believe so
[01:27] <attunix> Thanks.
[01:28] <attunix> How do I set up my own package repositories?
[01:28] <calc> with apt-ftparchive
[01:28] <attunix> calc: thanks :)
[01:31] <ion_> calc, attunix: falcon ftw.
[01:32] <attunix> ion_: what's falcon ftw?
[01:32] <ion_> https://edge.launchpad.net/falcon
[01:33] <ion_> https://launchpad.net/falcon without the edge.
[01:33] <attunix> thx
[01:33] <sladen> attunix: also Qt, which is /very/ C++
[01:33] <attunix> ooh! thanks :)
[01:33] <sladen> attunix: or WxWindows
[01:33] <attunix> ok
[01:34] <persia> Umm..  wxWindows has vast issues.  If you must use WX, please use wxWidgets.
[01:35] <sladen> persia: thanks for the tip; I never realised there /was/ a difference
[01:35] <attunix> I'll look into QT and GTK
[01:35] <persia> sladen: wxWindows is the old, non-unicode version
[01:35] <sladen> "wxWidgets (formerly wxWindows)" ah, nod
[02:22]  * lamont looks around for the big red "RESET" switch for gnome-preferences
[02:23] <ion_> lamont: gconftool --recursive-unset / or something like that.
[02:25] <lamont> ion_:  how do I dump the entire config first?
[02:25]  * lamont rtfc
[02:25] <lamont> rtfm even
[02:26] <ion_> gconftool --dump / :-)
[02:27] <attunix> In Gambas, when I try to create a project it says I can't because access is forbidden. Please help.
[02:27] <ion_> Please read the topic.
[02:28] <attunix> Ok.
[02:28] <attunix> Anyone have any ideas?
[02:28] <attunix> ion_: it's an IDE, by the way.
[02:57] <jdong> grr what do I have to do to make tracker actually useful?
[02:57] <jdong> it doesn't seem to be indexing contents of textfiles (such as irclogs) in a way that actually serves any purpose to me
[02:57] <Burgundavia> jdong: use deskbar with tracker live search
[02:57] <Burgundavia> likely it is not going into . files
[02:57] <Burgundavia> this why Beagle is better, as it supports more files
[02:58] <jdong> Burgundavia: oh no, it's recusing into the dirs, but only recognizes a few keywords
[02:58] <jdong> Burgundavia:  it odesn't seem to default to text for textfiles *.log
[02:58] <jdong> Burgundavia: like I can search for "gutsy" and not find a thing in ~/irclog... which is hard to believe that 2 months of #ubuntu has no mention of gutsy :)
[02:59] <jdong> Do I have to do something to get it to think .log = text?
[03:00] <jdong> I have it set to index 10240kb into each file and 100000 unique words
[03:00] <jdong> is that not enough? :(
[03:01]  * jdong strongly considers reverting back to beagle if this doesn't work out
[03:01] <Burgundavia> personally, I think we should have gone with Beagle
[03:02] <jdong> beagle actually worked for me
[03:02] <jdong> I'd be more than happy to give the daemon 100MB RAM if it does for me what grep couldn't
[03:03] <jdong> aha, it finds it with a .txt extension
[03:07] <jdong> *sigh* I'll just comply and move all my logs to a .txt extension
[03:07]  * jdong files bug, too
[03:13] <attunix> How do I get GTK installed? I keep getting an "error: gtk/gtk.h: no such file or directory".
[03:38] <attunix> anyone familiar with GTK?
[03:39] <sbalneav> A bit.
[03:39] <attunix> This is my first GTK program
[03:39] <attunix> i'm trying to use gcc to compile it,
[03:40] <attunix> but i keep getting an error that gtk/gtk.h doesn't exist
[03:40] <attunix> my first line in the program is #include <gtk/gtk.h>
[03:40] <ion_> Please read the topic.
[03:40] <attunix> i already installed build-ess
[03:40] <attunix> *essential
[03:40] <attunix> ion_: oh.
[03:48] <sbalneav> Cripes, so, he messages me, I start to explain to him, switch to another terminal to figure out a simple command line for him to compile with `pkg-config ... `, and he buggers off.
[03:48] <sbalneav> What do people want, answers in 10 seconds?
[03:48]  * sbalneav sighs
[03:49] <ajmitch> yes
[03:49] <persia> sbalneav: 10 seconds is far too long.  Faster! :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> 10 seconds is an eternity on the internet :)
[03:49] <sbalneav> I guess it must be.
[03:50] <sbalneav> Fortunately, my first modem was an acoustic coupled 300 baud, so I learned patience early :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> a what? ;)
[03:50] <persia> ajmitch: One of those newfangled contraptions one attaches to the phone to let the computer have a conversation.
[03:51] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound safe!
[03:51] <sbalneav> If you were really good, you could whistle at the right frequency, and make the other guy's carrier light come on :)
[03:52] <ajmitch> try doing that with adsl now.. :)
[03:52] <ion_> :-)
[03:52] <Keybuk> ah
[03:52] <Keybuk> the old /ctcp ping looser +++ATH trick
[03:52] <sbalneav> All my truly great hacker skills are now obsolete :)
[03:55] <sbalneav> I used to have the entire stty() option set in my head.  I could wire RS232 breakout boxes with nothing but paperclips.  All these memories will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
[03:57] <Keybuk> Oranges and Lemons...
[04:07] <erosa> bye all
[04:21] <wisu> I modified the flash-plugin.deb  post install to download the flash...tar.gz from a local cd... Q: how does the revision of the deb supposed to look like?
[04:34] <b4sic> hey, i was hoping someone in here with experience developing (freelance or otherwise)
[04:34] <b4sic> would be available for me to run an idea by.
[04:49] <b4sic> welcome, lure.
[04:49] <Lure> hi b4sic
[04:50] <b4sic> you script any?
[04:50] <b4sic> hey j_ack.
[05:16] <OpenSorce> If it's okay to ask this here: If you were evaluating Linux distros for new user suitability, would you consider whether or not it offered Live CD mode and install from Live CD as a "must" or just a plus?
[05:17] <rob> a plus I think
[05:17] <OpenSorce> rob, thank you....but not a must per se, right?
[05:17] <rob> no, they tend to be slow and its "hard" for a user to save their work
[05:18] <OpenSorce> rob, yeah the speed bothers me too....I'd hate for a new person to perceive Live CD speed as the speed the installed system will run
[05:18] <rob> yeah
[05:19] <jdong> rob: I disagree, I'd say it's almost a must
[05:20] <jdong> I, and any potential user, does NOT want to spend time installing a new operating system, making room for it on their system, just to learn that some piece of hwradware is unsupported, or the OS is otherwise dissatisfactory
[05:20] <jdong> as long as the LiveCD boots in a reasonable amount of time, it is essential for evaluating a new operating system
[05:20] <OpenSorce> jdong, thanks.....good point as well
[05:20] <rob> I think live cd environments have their uses, but there are also various negatives to them too. Another issue I have seen is people think it is the installed Linux, and get all confused when you tell them it isn't. Ubuntu even adds a pop up to explain this iirc.
[05:20] <jdong> I find myself almost unwilling nowadays to test new operating systems that do not have an evaluation CD
[05:20] <rob> jdong, I guess you haven't tested Vista then ;)
[05:21] <jdong> rob: unfortunately curiousity lead me to do it
[05:21] <jdong> rob: fortunately their installer is lightning fast, otherwise I would've had more non-CoC things to say about it
[05:21] <OpenSorce> jdong, my boss agrees with you....he won't even let me evaluate openSuse until they release a Live CD version
[05:21] <jdong> OpenSorce: they DO have a livecd/livedvd, no?
[05:21] <jdong> just not installable
[05:21] <jdong> the live-eval thing is totally separate
[05:21] <OpenSorce> jdong, not for the latest release, no
[05:21] <jdong> OpenSorce: ah, ok
[05:22] <jdong> OpenSorce: the thing is, I don't just want a LiveCD evaluator, I want a livecd that boots as closely to the final system as possible
[05:22] <jdong> OpenSorce: IMO the Ubuntu livecd is almost 100% accurate diagnosis of how well Ubuntu works with a particular machine
[05:22] <rob> ever tried to use the live environment on a low spec pc? I almost would consider a Live CD to be a bad thing for those users.
[05:22] <jdong> because the bootup process and hardware detection routines are basically the same as an installed system.
[05:22] <OpenSorce> jdong, good point.....I also think it's essential to see if the hardware is going to work on that distro
[05:22] <jdong> rob: low-spec systems are a weakness, good point.
[05:23] <OpenSorce> maybe a big pop-up that says "This is just Live CD mode, once installed your system will run much faster than this" is a good idea
[05:24] <OpenSorce> rob, did you say ubuntu has that?
[05:24] <rob> I tried using a low spec pc once, this very laptop actually. 256 Mb ram and an old AMD sempron processor, I would click next then wait several hours before the next screen of the live installer appeared.
[05:24] <OpenSorce> rob, ouch!!
[05:24]  * ScottK is reading the scrollback and having trouble finding anything about Ubuntu development.
[05:25] <rob> I'd consider this laptop to be a perfect candidate for Linux too since Windows XP went to heck on it and I inherited it.
[05:25] <OpenSorce> ScottK, so good to see you again....it was quiet and I wanted opinions....so sorry to clutter the channel with off-topic discussion :-)
[05:26] <ScottK> We have #ubuntu-offtopic for that.
[05:26] <OpenSorce> ScottK, of course.....again...my apologies :-)
[05:26] <jdong> apart from low-RAM or slow-CD machines, I'd say a live evaluation CD is a very important feature for a distribution that would like to get people to switch from some other operating system
[05:27] <OpenSorce> rob, jdong, I'm going to move to #ubuntu-offtopic you are welcome to join me.....thanks again ScottK.....please continue your Ubuntu Devel discussions...
[05:31] <OpenSorce> Hobbsee, so nice to see you again, how are you?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:31] <Hobbsee> pondering doing a talk in india, among other things
[05:32] <OpenSorce> Hobbsee, ah....I detest public speaking :-)
[05:32] <ScottK> Good afternoon (I think I did the TZ math right) Hobbsee.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> ScottK: indeed!  good morning to you!
[05:32] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: so do i, somewhat, depending on what it's on :)
[05:32]  * Hobbsee managed not to have to get up and speak at all for UDS.
[05:32]  * lamont yawns, waves
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hiya lamont
[05:33] <ScottK> Hello there lamont.
[05:34] <ScottK> Any noise yet on when we'll be able to start uploading to Hardy?
[05:34] <lamont> ScottK: I haven't been paying attention
[05:34] <Hobbsee> ScottK: toolchain is going
[05:35] <lamont> OTOH, I'd expect that we want to let release/archive/etc have until monday or so to recover from the release.  (several back-to-back 20+ hour days do take a toll)
[05:35] <ScottK> That's good.  So far I've not gotten any FTBFS mails I didn't expect.
[05:35] <lamont> and I'm not sure where they're at in the checklist
[05:35] <Hobbsee> meh.  sleep is overrated.
[05:35] <ScottK> Sleep is for the weak.
[05:37] <OpenSorce> Seeya later guys
[05:37] <OpenSorce> ScottK, my apologies again :-)
[05:37] <ScottK> I've got a narrow window I need to catch for a bugfix.  It's not SRU worthy, but important.  There's already a newer version in Debian.  So I need to upload the bugfix and get it backported between when the repo opens and the first autosync.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> however, i did get pinentry-gtk-2 working.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> unsure why it's not standard in gnome.
[05:38] <ScottK> Hobbsee: They didn't do the same encryption by default stuff we did in Kubuntu AFAIK.
[05:38] <ScottK> pinentry was in Universe until I got that in.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ScottK: seahorse is just weird!
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  i might have to fix that
[05:38]  * calc got rid of about 50 ooo bugs today
[05:38] <Hobbsee> calc: yay!
[05:38] <Hobbsee> now 100 more!
[05:38] <calc> heh the next 100 will be a bit more work ;)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hmm, gnome is much smaller than kde.
[05:39]  * Hobbsee restarts X
[05:39] <calc> but uses more memory
[05:39]  * ScottK missed the transition from "0" to "o" there for a second and was really stunned.
[05:39] <calc> ScottK: lol
[05:39] <calc> ScottK: i know a way to get rid of that many... nuke LP ;)
[05:40] <persia> Regarding pinentry: in GNOME (not XFCE), seahorse-agent takes care of the GPG stuff.
[05:40] <ScottK> calc: Well given how the implemented the auto expiration stuff you ought to just file a bug and ask for it.  They may just close them all for you </bitter>
[05:41] <ScottK> persia: But isnt' that in Universe too?
[05:41] <calc> what auto expiration stuff?
[05:41] <persia> ScottK: Ah.  I missed the sense of things.  Apologies.
[05:41] <ScottK> They added a "feature" to auto expire bugs left incomplete to long.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> persia: yes, but seahorse *sucks*
[05:41] <Hobbsee> or at least, it doesnt do what i want
[05:41] <Hobbsee> persia: i cant seem to set it so that it asks for my passphrase the first time, and then keep it cached fro a set time, for ssh
[05:41] <calc> ScottK: ah cool
[05:41] <Hobbsee> whereas you can set pinentry to do exactly that, and it works for *ssh* and gpg
[05:42] <ScottK> Their initial implementation got just a "little" more than they planned to get.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> er, *and*, not *ssh*
[05:42]  * persia ceases to defend seahorse
[05:42] <ScottK> calc: Actually I think not.  For one the one size fits all timer works better for some things than others.
[05:42] <ScottK> I cuts down on LP useability for some projects.
[05:42] <ScottK> I/It
[05:43] <calc> ScottK: how long was the timer?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> persia: it's quite possible that i got the settings wrong, and it's really nice that it caches...but my user p/w is far less secure than my gpg and ssh passphrases (obviously), and so dropping down to that particular level of security is kinda unnerving.
[05:43] <calc> true if it just closes bugs regardless of their status that could be very bad
[05:43] <Hobbsee> whereas pinentry you do have to persuade to work, somewhat.
[05:44] <ScottK> calc: I may have managed to erase that fact from my brain, but I think 4 months.
[05:44] <calc> ok
[05:45] <ScottK> So far every bug I've seen it expire that I got bugmail for was a valid issue that ought not be lost, but that's just me.
[05:48] <persia> Hobbsee: I'm not sure you got your settings wrong.  I don't use seahorse for SSH, just GPG.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> persia: ahh.  then you're missing out.
[05:49]  * persia doesn't ssh much
[05:50] <superm1> hey Hobbsee you got a few for ~ubuntu-archive'y stuff?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> superm1: yes, but i'm limited in what i can do
[05:50] <superm1> Hobbsee, oh didn't sort out the part about announcing to $release-changes yet?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> superm1: no.  they wont fix that until late november.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> what were you after?
[05:51] <superm1> well accepting an SRU: bug 154985
[05:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 154985 in mythbuntu-control-centre "MCC fails on amd64 if medibuntu hasn't been used in the past" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154985
[05:51] <superm1> into -proposed
[05:52] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:53] <calc> is there a way to search bugs for any assignee other than nobody?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> superm1: ahh.  dont thik so, sorry
[05:53] <superm1> Hobbsee, no biggie, for now i'm just pointing amd64 users to a ppa until its in :)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> superm1: come to think of it - does -proposed actually mail anywhere?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> slangasek: might be able to do it, too
[06:23] <superm1> Hobbsee, well i think it still announces to gutsy-changes.  because when it goes into gutsy-updates, its just cross pocket copied, and not announced then
[06:24] <Hobbsee> superm1: ahh, kay.  then i'd better not touch it
[06:24] <Hobbsee> (sigh)
[09:01] <DShepherd> does anyone else thing it would be helpful to add a factoid to ubotu about the new appearance menu and whats located there? There seems to be a number of questions just related to find that appearance option much less the stuff under it
[09:02]  * Hobbsee suspects that's more of a question for #ubuntu-ops
[09:03]  * DShepherd takes Hobbsee suspected advice
[15:31] <frimjon> Hi guys.  I want to report something that could fall somewhere between policy and bug, it's my first report, I'm just not sure how to report it.
[15:31] <frimjon> It's about improving the error message in the Save dialog, whenever you save something with a forward slash it will give you a "file not found", I'd like to suggest that it be fixed to tell the user what the actual problem is (that they're using a slash) instead.
[15:32] <frimjon> Should I be unafraid to report that as a bug?
[15:33] <dsas> frimjon, be unafraid, be very unafraid
[15:33] <frimjon> Hee hee, alright, I'll go straight into the wilderness of Launchpadland.
[15:50] <frimjon> dsas: Actually, after some thought I found out that it really wasn't a bug, but rather the feature to allow paths in the file name (to save at that path instead of browsing) that's inevitably making shaky messages for those unfamiliar with the Linux file structure.  I can't see a proper way to remove that newcomer unfriendliness without changing something that veterans probably like.
[15:51] <Keybuk> mail ubuntu-devel-discuss, describe the perceived problem and why you think it should behave differently
[15:51] <Keybuk> (and also why you think it should behave like that)
[15:51] <Keybuk> other people might have ideas
[15:51] <Keybuk> a problem shared is a problem solved
[15:52] <frimjon> Keybuk: That's a great idea, Keybuk, thank you.
[15:52] <Keybuk> ubuntu-desktop might be a good alternative to ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:52] <Keybuk> though it has fewer subscribers, they're probably able to give a better help
[15:53] <frimjon> Okay, I'll check that out.  Thanks again.
[16:13] <popey> is there a way to determine why a package that was in dapper through feisty, isn't in gutsy? jpilot-syncmal is the one in question
[16:15] <Hobbsee> popey: check the blacklist for why it got removed.  check if the source is there, but hasnt built.  check if the binary has a new name.
[16:16] <lamego> where is that blacklist ?
[16:16] <popey> glad you asked that
[16:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm...off people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/
[16:17] <popey> i see no pages mentioning the package on the wiki
[16:17] <Hobbsee> no, the wiki isnt used to track such things
[16:17] <Hobbsee> popey: is it a package from debian, or only in ubuntu?
[16:17] <lamego> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt this one ?
[16:17] <Hobbsee> lamego: looks good
[16:17] <popey> it's not listed
[16:17] <Hobbsee> lamego: of course, it will only show up on there if it's in debian too
[16:18] <lamego> right, sync blacklist
[16:18] <popey> it is in sid
[16:18] <Hobbsee> popey: do the launchpad bugs show anything interesting?
[16:19] <geser> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/removals.txt mentions it: "(From Debian) RoM; FTBFS since libmal-dev is no more available"
[16:20] <popey> that's helpful, thanks
[16:20] <Hobbsee> oh, that's the one i wanted.
[16:20] <lamego> what is the removals.txt purpose ?
[16:20] <Hobbsee> ....
[16:20] <Hobbsee> to document what's been removed, and why?
[16:20] <geser> Debian has it only on oldstable
[16:20] <popey> yeah
[16:20] <geser> s/on/in/
[16:21] <lamego> I am lost, that means, it will be synched for the next release ?
[16:21] <popey> (the reason I ask is the question has been asked in a lp answers post)
[16:21] <Hobbsee> popey: FYI, RoM is "request of maintainer"
[16:21] <Hobbsee> popey: ie, because it doesnt build anymore.
[16:21] <popey> also helpful, thanks Hobbsee
[16:21] <geser> lamego: no, as it got removed in Debian too
[16:21] <lamego> ah ok
[16:21] <Hobbsee> lamego: no, it means it didnt build in debian, so the maintainer asked for it to be removed.
[16:22] <popey> thanks everyone
[16:23] <lamego> geser, Hobbsee for how long are you working with debian/ubuntu packaging ?
[16:23] <Hobbsee> lamego: hmm.  a year and 3/4?
[16:24] <lamego> ok, just profiling :)
[16:24]  * popey hands Hobbsee ¾
[16:24] <Hobbsee> lamego: it helps to learn the acronyms, and i've got an interest in archive admin stuff
[16:24] <Hobbsee> so might tend to know more than most
[16:24] <geser> lamego: my first sponsored upload is around 14 months ago
[16:25] <Hobbsee> popey: thanks. i dont have those funky keys on my keyboard.
[16:25] <Hobbsee> (and so ignore symbols too)
[16:25] <StevenK> Hobbsee: That would have been using a compose key
[16:25] <popey> Alt+Gr + 6 = ¾
[16:25]  * Hobbsee wonders what Gr is
[16:25] <popey> Graphics ?
[16:25] <StevenK> It's a growly Alt, duh
[16:25] <StevenK> Hum.
[16:25] <lamego> I am trying to estimate how long I will take to have an average know-how :P
[16:25]  * StevenK can't find his Compose key
[16:26] <Hobbsee> okay, maybe i should have asked *where* it is
[16:26] <StevenK> (Which is what AltGr is usally mapped as)
[16:26] <Hobbsee> lamego: depends.  people have their specialties
[16:26] <StevenK> Hobbsee: AltGr is right Alt
[16:26]  * popey specialises in ☻
[16:27] <lamego> Hobbsee, sure, but regardless of that, you need a certain time to get a broader knowledge
[16:27] <Hobbsee> interesting.  it tehn takes me to window 6
[16:27] <Hobbsee> lamego: true.  in which case, a couple of release cycles.  more than one.
[16:29]  * geser has Compose on the menu-key
[16:30] <StevenK> I've never understood how to bind keys in X.
[16:30] <pitti> soren: FYI, I'll do the mutt merge; it's a tradition :)
[16:30]  * Hobbsee closes a couple of bugs
[16:31]  * pitti hugs Hobbsee
[16:31] <StevenK> Hey pitti
[16:31] <pitti> moin StevenK
[16:31] <Hobbsee> right, no more bugs for that source package
[16:31] <luk_> StevenK: xbindkeys might help
[16:32] <pitti> soren: oh, nevermind, it can be synced
[16:33] <geser> StevenK: either do it through gnome-keyboard-properties or through the right option in xorg.conf (for Compose)
[16:34] <StevenK> I suppose I have to restart X for that option to work
[16:36] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% tracker-status
[16:36] <StevenK> zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped)  tracker-status
[16:36] <StevenK> Tracker, please jump off a cliff. kthxbye
[16:37] <luk_> System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts works fine in Gnome
[16:37] <StevenK> luk_: Oh, absolutely, but the key doesn't work, I suspect I have to restart X.
[16:40] <StevenK> pitti: What's that -Wl,--as-needed love page you were telling me about?
[16:42] <norsetto> stevenk: this http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html under 9.1 ?
[16:48] <leleobhz> someone can explain me how the package restricred drivers are generated?
[16:48] <leleobhz> because i want to make a updated kernel package but im getting trouble with restrited modules
[17:18] <soren> pitti: Oh, sorry about that. I didn't know :) I already filed a sync request.
[17:19] <soren> pitti: I was actually referring to mutt when I asked on Friday if it was ok to file sync requests now.
[17:19] <pitti> soren: NP, I checked
[17:19] <phillips321> hi guys, any1 here?
[17:20] <soren> phillips321: Er.. Yes? 226 of us, actually :)
[17:20] <phillips321> what options are available for someone who wishes to use full hdd encryption but also be able to remotely reboot a box?
[17:20] <soren> None that I know of.
[17:20] <phillips321> i would like to try the 7.10 encryption but i'm riddled with needing physical access to reboot a box
[17:21] <phillips321> it's a pain, im thrying to think of other options like partition encryption and then mouting once booted
[17:21] <soren> You can hack something together with a tiny partition only used to boot and ask for the password, mount the real root and chroot your way into that, but it's not something we support. I'm just making it up right now.
[17:22] <phillips321> ive thort about that, /boot and / not encrypted and only encrpting the /home partition
[17:22] <phillips321> but i might not be able to boot correctly if my /home partition cant be found...
[17:23] <soren> Why not?
[17:23] <superm1> pitti, would you be able to release something into gutsy-proposed for me?
[17:25] <phillips321> guess it's something i shud try....
[17:52] <soren> Is there any way to see packages that have been uploaded to hardy, but not accepted yet?
[17:59] <Mithrandir> soren: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/hardy/unapproved/
[18:00] <soren> Mithrandir: That wasn't there 10 minutes ago, was it?
[18:00] <soren> Or am I going loony?
[18:00] <Mithrandir> soren: no, it wasn't. :-)
[18:01] <soren> phew..
[18:01] <soren> Thanks!
[18:01] <Mithrandir> publish-queue isn't smart enough to DTRT when we start publishing new distroreleases.
[18:01] <Mithrandir> so it requires a little bit of handholding, aka mkdir
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[18:03] <alex-weej> asac: spare a couple of mins to talk about NM?
[18:03] <Mithrandir> I should rewrite p-q to be a) faster and b) smarter, but just haven't had the time yet.
[18:03] <Mithrandir> that'd make queuebot more useful too
[18:05] <soren> Mithrandir: I actually really have no idea what either of those do, to be honest. :)
[18:06] <Mithrandir> soren: publish-queue is the script that pushes the queue from the ftp-master to p.u.c/~u-a/queue, queuebot looks at a status file and tells us on IRC when there's a new queue item there.
[18:07] <soren> Mithrandir: Hm? Which channel?
[18:44] <soren> Mithrandir: Does it perhaps /msg the archive team?
[18:47] <Mithrandir> soren: #ubuntu-release
[18:47] <soren> Mithrandir: Shiny.
[18:47] <Mithrandir> not that there's much going on there outside of release times.
[18:51] <Dekans> what's the matter with nvidia drivers ?
[18:51] <Dekans> several people just can't have 3D acceleretion on gutsy
[18:52] <Dekans> are nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new broken ?
[18:52] <Dekans> is it l-r-m ?
[18:53] <soren> linux-restricted-modules
[18:55] <Dekans> ok, so they have to wait for an update of it
[18:55] <Dekans> :/
[19:17] <lamego> Dekans, I have no problem with the nvidia driver
[19:22] <Dekans> when i upgraded to gutsy, i installed succesfully nvidia-glx
[19:22] <Dekans> but no X server at reboot
[19:22] <Dekans> I instelled the .run binary from nvidia.com
[19:23] <Dekans> a fe days later, no X server again
[19:23] <Dekans> I removed this driver and reinstalled nvifia-glx
[19:23] <Dekans> and it works...
[19:23] <Dekans> but several people cannot use it on gutsy
[19:23] <Dekans> at all
[19:30] <lamego> I am using nvidia-glx-new, without any issues
[19:30] <asac> alex-weej: sure
[19:31] <alex-weej> oops sorry, bad timing
[19:31] <alex-weej> need to cook
[19:31] <alex-weej> ttyl
[19:31] <asac> alex-weej: hehe ... ok
[19:33] <Dekans> but some people cannot ahve 3D
[19:33] <Dekans> have*
[19:41] <Dekans> so no fix planned :(
[19:44] <Karnaugh> Dekans: blame the manufacturers
[19:45] <Dekans> it seems to be a issue related to l-r-m
[20:20] <lamego> hello, anyone will an nvidia card and 3d enabled that could help me with a test ?
[21:02] <blueyed> lamego: yes
[21:02] <lamego> bluekuja, sudo apt-get install snowballz
[21:02] <lamego> snowballz
[21:03] <lamego> I am getting: Major opcode of failed request:  135 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
[21:05] <blueyed> lamego: works for me (nvidia-glx-new, Club3D 6600GT)
[21:06] <lamego> hum
[21:06] <lamego> I am using nvidia-glx
[21:07] <lamego> no, i have the new
[21:08] <lamego> a google for the error gave me the idea it was related to the nvidia driver, but it could be also with the display setup, for the video mode switching
[21:18] <bluekuja> lamego, huh?
[21:19] <lamego> the X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation), on the set video mode function
[21:19] <lamego> which is what I am getting when launching the game
[21:22] <attunix> What libraries are needed to develop in QT?
[21:26] <lamego> libqt4-dev ?
[21:26] <attunix> thanks
[21:53] <mekius> bryce: Hey, was wondering if you had any estimate on the inclusion of Xorg 7.3?
[21:53] <Kmos> mekius: try to ask that tomorrow
[21:54] <mekius> ok :)
[21:55] <mekius> Kmos: didn't really need an answer right away, just throwing it out there
[22:36] <ec158148> hi all, i don't seem to have the manpage for scanf
[22:36] <ec158148> could somebody guess as to why?
[22:36] <azeem> ec158148: please ask in #ubuntu
[22:36] <ec158148> ok
[22:37] <ec158148> thanks
[23:53] <bryce> mekius: I do
[23:53] <bryce> mekius: in fact timo has just done the xorg merge and is getting ready to upload it; xserver is either done or to be done soon
[23:54] <bryce> mekius: also if you're interested, I've prepared a Ubuntu-X project list at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Projects
[23:55] <bryce> essentially, the plan is to get all the Xorg 7.3 bits incorporated as soon as Hardy is open for business
[23:57] <bryce> mekius: I personally am probably going to stay focused on bugs a bit, as there's several I'd like to -sru for Gutsy (esp. -ati and -intel)