[00:34] <pike_> really slick job on the mybuntu control centre. very yast like only good
[00:35] <pike_> i cant believe how easy everything is for gui config in 7.10
[00:40] <Daviey> pike_: hmm.. I don't like mcc and yast being used in the same sentence! :)
[01:03] <therethinker> $mythbot
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[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest70> Hi every one
[03:44] <foxbuntu> Hi MythbuntuGuest70
[03:44] <foxbuntu> is there something you need help with?
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest70> how do i set my tv to 16:9 and keep it like that
[03:59] <foxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest70, what do you mean?
[04:00] <tritium> MythbuntuGuest70: that's TV-specific
[04:03] <toorima> do you mean in mythvideo or just watch tv?
[04:04] <MythbuntuGuest70> the watch tv . i set it on the appearance but it does not stay
[04:08] <MythbuntuGuest70> is their any other place i need to set it.
[04:17] <tazgodx> hmmmm, so when transferring a files over to my mythbuntu box through samba, it seems the whole computer freezes up. the front HDD light is constantly lit, and the computer doesn't respond
[04:17] <tazgodx> didn't have a problem before upgrading this box to gutsy...could that be a problem?
[04:39] <tritium> Hi Dr_willis_
[04:40] <MythbuntuGuest61> does any one know how to make the tv stay at 16:9
[04:40] <Dr_willis_> howdies.
[04:41] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest61, are you in a 16:9 resolution?
[04:42] <MythbuntuGuest61> when i lunch watch tv i need to hit w to get the tv to 16:9 so it take up the hole screen. i have a wide tv
[04:42] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest61, okay does your tv have a way of telling you what resolution input it is taking?
[04:42] <superm1> i would suspect it's not in a wide screen resolution
[04:43] <superm1> if its not taking up the entire screen
[04:43] <superm1> like an 'info' button on the remote
[04:43] <tritium> superm1: are you needing more RC testing before releasing?
[04:43] <MythbuntuGuest61> when i set the computer to 1280 x 768 it take just about the hole tv
[04:44] <tazgodx> superm1: have you heard of anything about samba almost locking up mythbuntu box?
[04:44] <superm1> tritium, we have one last patch that will be getting in.  i think we're good though once that patch is in
[04:44] <superm1> provided the patch works, we're announcing monday
[04:44] <tritium> superm1: oh, okay, great!  Congrats!
[04:44] <superm1> tazgodx, I/O probably?
[04:45] <tazgodx> i don't know what it is, but i just tried it again, always gets to 68% and then the red HDD activity light just turns on, and this time my box just rebooted itselft
[04:45] <tazgodx> really weird
[04:46] <tazgodx> now my box is starting back up,a nd the HDD light is still lit
[04:46] <MythbuntuGuest61> i have the pc set to default resolution and it look like 1280x768 and when i use watch tv its like half of the tv. i have to hit w to strech the image to full screen whitch it seays 16:9
[04:47] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest61, is it a 16:9 video you're looking at?
[04:47] <superm1> or is it a 4:3
[04:48] <tazgodx> is there a HDD diagnostic tool? maybe my HDD is failing?
[04:48] <superm1> tazgodx, google for DFT
[04:48] <superm1> and burn the iso you find
[04:49] <MythbuntuGuest61> its tv and i have to strech the image to 16:9
[04:49] <MythbuntuGuest61> it starts out at 4:3
[04:49] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest61, but is it a 16:9 image though
[04:50] <superm1> because if its a 4:3 video, that is the normal behavior
[04:50] <tazgodx> ill tell you what, DFT is a crappy google search. but i think i found it :)
[04:50] <superm1> tazgodx, its the first result for me...
[04:50] <tazgodx> first result for me "Discrete Fourier transform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[04:51] <tazgodx> then i got detroit film theater, and department for transportation
[04:51] <tazgodx> DFTtrikes
[04:51] <superm1> well these are my "personalized results"
[04:51] <superm1> i guess
[04:52] <tazgodx> google doesn't like me i guess, wants to make it hard
[04:52] <tazgodx> you were referring to drive fitness test right?
[04:52] <superm1> yeag
[04:53] <superm1> *h
[04:53] <tazgodx> thanks, ill test that now then
[04:53] <MythbuntuGuest61> how do i capcher at 16:9
[04:53] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest61, well typically that's something that you get from hidef capture
[04:53] <superm1> or from a digital tuner
[04:54] <superm1> if you prefer your 4:3 videos to be stretched by default (even though that's not the way they are supposed to look), you can set that up too
[04:54] <MythbuntuGuest61> with the last verson of mythbuntu i was full screen all the time.
[04:54] <MythbuntuGuest61> how
[04:55] <MythbuntuGuest61> do i make the schange
[04:55] <superm1> its in appearance settings for mythtv
[04:55] <superm1> under appearance
[04:56] <superm1> go to video mode settings
[04:56] <superm1> and then you can override what video mode things are in
[04:56] <superm1> and what aspect ratio to use
[04:56] <superm1> or on screensettings
[04:56] <superm1> you can change the aspect ratio there too
[04:56] <MythbuntuGuest61> i seen that but it does not do any thing
[04:57] <MythbuntuGuest61> change it to 16:9 and use gui settings for tv but does not change any thing. do i need to reboot
[04:57] <superm1> need to restart mythfrontend
[04:57] <superm1> you dont need to reboot to restart mythfrontend though
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest61> ok let me try it
[04:58] <tazgodx> i think im gonna need to buy a new HDD....i have a bad feeling
[04:59] <tazgodx> good time to get that 500GB i wanted tho :)
[04:59] <tazgodx> just wish i had a sata connection :(
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone tried installing MRE?
[05:00] <tritium> superm1: is there a doc/resource that hilights the pros/cons of a mythbuntu install versus installing mythbuntu-desktop on top of a default desktop install?
[05:01] <tazgodx> i was going to next week sometime
[05:01] <andruk> i want myth to store the recordings on a separate drive (called storage, i put the entry in fstab and remounted it), and myth tells me that "Path /media/storage/ doesn't exist."  help?
[05:01] <superm1> tritium, not yet
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, @ me?
[05:01] <superm1> but that's a good idea for us to do
[05:01] <tazgodx> yeah tgm4883_laptop
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> k
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> what do you think about this?
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> if [[ ! -f conf/mre.conf ]]; then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 -b conf/mre.conf /etc; fi
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> /bin/sh: [[: not found
[05:02] <tritium> superm1: any obvious things you could point out off the top of your head?
[05:02] <tazgodx> i think that totally confuses me :)
[05:03] <foxbuntu> andruk, please pastebin your fstab
[05:03] <foxbuntu> !pastebin | andruk
[05:03] <ubotu> andruk: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:03] <superm1> tgm4883, [ [ not [[
[05:03] <superm1> try
[05:04] <superm1> tazgodx, off hand, its a heck of a lot less automated
[05:04]  * Wy|laptop ponders when we'll get bluray and hddvd xine support
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest61> yeah that setting does not make any change. i make shore the "use GUI size for tv playback" is on.  do i have to change xinerama screen to "all" ?
[05:04] <andruk> foxbuntu: its on a different comp.  do you want to double check that line or what (ie- how much do you want me to reproduce)?
[05:05] <tazgodx> yeah, i know its probably a pain to install and get working. but its a great idea :)
[05:05] <foxbuntu> andruk, the line is fine too
[05:05] <superm1> tazgodx, also you can't customize root password for mysql during an add to ubuntu install
[05:05] <superm1> as easil
[05:06] <superm1> and then there is the bloat of an existing install
[05:06] <MythbuntuGuest61> any thing else i can try to make it work.
[05:06] <andruk> foxbuntu: /dev/hdb1 /media/storage reiserfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[05:07] <tritium> superm1: thanks.  Those responses appear to be for me, correct?  :)
[05:07] <superm1> yeah tritium sorry
[05:07] <tritium> superm1: thanks again!
[05:07] <superm1> t<tab>,tab>
[05:07] <superm1> tritium, actually you know what
[05:07] <tritium> yeah, nick completion ;)
[05:07] <tritium> What?
[05:07] <superm1> you got a few moments?
[05:07] <tritium> Sure.
[05:07] <superm1> you want to quickly whip up a page for the install manual summarizing this?
[05:08] <foxbuntu> andruk, I think you need to revise your mount options on that
[05:08] <tritium> superm1: summarizing what you just told me?
[05:08] <superm1> tritium, yeah in better wording and such
[05:08] <andruk> foxbuntu: k, will do.  thanks.
[05:08] <foxbuntu> andruk,
[05:08] <superm1> maybe elaborating on it?
[05:08] <tritium> superm1: okay -- URL?
[05:08] <superm1> tritium, let me point you at the bzr branch
[05:08] <foxbuntu> andruk, you need to have something like
[05:08] <superm1> tritium, you used LaTeX before or no?
[05:08] <tritium> superm1: yes :)
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> nope superm1, I get a different error then, and ./configure just puts it back the first way
[05:09] <tritium> for my dissertation...
[05:09] <foxbuntu> andruk, /dev/hdb /media/storage file_system_type defaults 0 0
[05:09] <superm1> awesome tritium: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/documentation
[05:09] <tritium> superm1: now, bzr is not something I've used, however
[05:09] <superm1> tritium, okay its a matter of typing that command
[05:09] <superm1> which will check out the branch
[05:09] <tritium> okay
[05:10] <superm1> making your changes, and then i'll teach you how to make the diff
[05:10] <tritium> thanks
[05:10] <superm1> thanks a bunch, this is most appreciated!
[05:10] <tritium> No problem.
[05:10] <tritium> Thanks for asking.
[05:11] <andruk> foxbuntu: changed and remounted, same problem
[05:11] <foxbuntu> andruk, did you mount at /dev/hdb or /dev/hdb1 ?
[05:12] <foxbuntu> and does your fs_type match the formated file system?
[05:12] <andruk> foxbuntu: hdb1
[05:12] <andruk> foxbuntu: yes
[05:12] <foxbuntu> what is it?
[05:12] <andruk> reiserfs
[05:12] <foxbuntu> andruk, you formated your drive as that?
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk, whats the problem?
[05:13] <andruk> foxbuntu: yes...
[05:13] <foxbuntu> andruk, ok just dbl checking
[05:13] <foxbuntu> did you set to defaults?
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk, foxbuntu is the problem corrupted recordings?
[05:14] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, no
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> just wondering
[05:14] <andruk> foxbuntu: lol, k, yes.  the line is: /dev/hdb1 /media/storage reiserfs defaults 0 0    tgm4883_laptop: nope, myth says the dir doesnt exist
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not reiserfs v3 is it?
[05:14] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop <-- the corrupted recording
[05:14] <andruk> i believe its 4
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> if it's 3 you'll get corrupted recordings
[05:15] <andruk> tgm4883_laptop: there a way i can check?
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[05:15] <foxbuntu> andruk, can you browse to it in the shell?
[05:15] <tazgodx> ok well DFT just sitts here trying to detect my secondary IDE Master....
[05:15] <andruk> foxbuntu: yep
[05:16] <foxbuntu> andruk, have you restarted Mythfrontend since you added this?
[05:16] <superm1> tazgodx, that's not a good sign...
[05:16]  * tazgodx cries
[05:16] <andruk> foxbuntu: oh, no.  i just set it up.  so im still in the livecd and havent restarted yet.
[05:16] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, time for a new drive
[05:16] <tritium> superm1: Fetch phase 1/4 sure takes a long time!
[05:16] <foxbuntu> andruk, ahh
[05:16] <foxbuntu> andruk, reboot
[05:16] <tazgodx> is there such a thing as a PCI card with sata ports? i would perfer sata drives over IDE, and i don't have sata on my mobo
[05:17] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, yes
[05:17] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, they are like 40$ on newegg.com
[05:17] <andruk> foxbuntu: k, how do i rerun the setup?  mythtvsetup?
[05:17] <foxbuntu> andruk, you haven't installed it yet?
[05:17] <tazgodx> think its worth it? what is the data transfer rate over PCI? would it cause a bottleneck with my drive you think?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, most likely not
[05:18] <tgm4883_laptop> andruk, i dont know, i use XFS and i haven't seen anything in google that points me at how to check
[05:18] <foxbuntu> sata is 150MB / sec and ata is ~ 100MB /sec
[05:18] <andruk> foxbuntu: i was setting it up and it basically led me to do the schedules direct registration and the setup.
[05:19] <tazgodx> sata is 333.0GB/sec
[05:19] <tazgodx> 3.0
[05:19] <tazgodx> Gb
[05:19] <foxbuntu> andruk, if you havent rebooted go ahead and set that up and the setup for the drive can be done easily after reboot
[05:19] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, well SATA II is
[05:19] <andruk> kk
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> pci is 133MB/s
[05:20] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, however most motherboards are the bottle neck
[05:20] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, so to answer your question...no
[05:20] <tazgodx> pci is 133? i know ide is 133
[05:20] <foxbuntu> normal pci is 133 as well
[05:21] <foxbuntu> PCI-E is faster...but I don;t know the numbers
[05:21] <superm1> tritium, yeah it's a big branch
[05:21] <superm1> tritium, holy crap, its actually like: $ du -sh
[05:21] <superm1> 110M    .
[05:21] <superm1> tritium, are you on gutsy
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, 250MB/s to 4GB/s
[05:21] <superm1> bzr+ssh will be faster i think then
[05:21] <tazgodx> maybe ill just look for a new mobo, and replace that with the HDD
[05:22] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, thanks
[05:22] <tritium> superm1: yes
[05:22] <superm1> tritium, er that's the size after make is typed.  the branch itself is 35 mb
[05:22] <superm1> tritium, do a du -sh on the directory and see how far you've come
[05:22] <tritium> That's not too bad.
[05:22] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, eh..you are still going to be limited below sata's capable speed
[05:22] <superm1> if its less than like 10 megs, then i'll say you should do bzr+ssh instead
[05:22] <tritium> 19M
[05:22] <tritium> I can wait.  I need to install texlive, anyway.
[05:23] <tazgodx> ahhh, forget it. ill just buy a few IDEs 500GB should be plenty. thanks
[05:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, my hosting service is so janky
[05:23] <foxbuntu> I can't even create vhosts through support
[05:24] <superm1> tritium, you'll need a few more packages besides texlive i think, but you'll find out as you run
[05:24] <superm1> i believe imagemagick
[05:24] <tritium> superm1: okay, no sweat.
[05:24] <superm1> latex2html
[05:25] <superm1> preview-latex-style dblatex texlive-latex-recommended
[05:25] <tritium> Okay, thanks, superm1.
[05:33]  * tritium waits for texlive to finish installing...
[05:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, just came up with another idea...DING! New spec added to mythbuntu-ipod
[05:44] <tazgodx> are you guys going to add jobs to the mcc?
[05:44] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> mre is giving me some trouble
[05:45] <tazgodx> hmmm, if its giving you trouble, im not even going to try
[05:45] <tazgodx> its kinda old tho
[05:46] <andruk> foxbuntu: same problem
[05:46] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, what is mre?
[05:46] <foxbuntu> andruk, strange
[05:46] <tazgodx> media recording extender
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, ^^
[05:47] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, what does it do?
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> it extends recordings
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[05:47] <tazgodx> haha
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> sporting events
[05:47] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, smart arse
[05:47] <tazgodx> if it notices a sports event running late, it extends it
[05:47] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, oh that thing you showed me awhile back
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:48] <tazgodx> so it there is overtime it keeps recording
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> or if regular time is running late too
[05:48] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I don't think we should package that into Mythbuntu, or at least without a stern warning about its backend functions
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> oh it's not going to be installed
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> at this rate
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> it's not going to function
[05:49] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:49] <tazgodx> lol
[05:50] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, it looks this go around I am going to spend alot of time with MythMusic and MythWeather along side of the artwork
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone know php well?
[05:51] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I know it some
[05:51] <foxbuntu> pastebin your error
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, well im not so sure you want the error, or the config or what
[05:51] <tgm4883_laptop> i'll pastebin a bunch of stuff
[05:51] <foxbuntu> alright
[05:52] <Wy|laptop> anyone here do wireless streaming?
[05:52] <Wy|laptop> not really a myth issue, buuut just wondering
[05:53] <stevetv> wireless streaming to my second frontend yes
[05:53] <stevetv> if that is what u meant
[05:53] <Wy|laptop> What are you running for your network?
[05:54]  * Wy|laptop is pondering a 802.11n bridging solution
[05:54] <stevetv> lol.. just a netcom 54mb router
[05:54] <stevetv> my box is only sd though
[05:55] <stevetv> your n solution will be much faster than my network
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[05:55] <Wy|laptop> yeah, I'm having problems streaming HD
[05:55] <Wy|laptop> :P
[05:55] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, I would suggest holding off on Wireless=N for now
[05:55] <tgm4883_laptop> Wy|laptop, you can almost do HD on a G connection
[05:55] <Wy|laptop> running a pair of openWRT boxes atm, server's on one side, htpc's on the other
[05:55] <Wy|laptop> fox: why?
[05:56] <stevetv> tgm .. i cant get close to hd .. and my frontend box is phyically only about 2 meters from my router
[05:56] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, I know the actual technology behind Wireless Spec N quite well...and I would say to stay away from it for now
[05:56] <Wy|laptop> steve: yeah, I've got about 40 feet to cross
[05:57] <Wy|laptop> through a second story and several walls
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> stevetv, is that a hardware problem though, or a wireless problem?
[05:57] <Wy|laptop> fox: even if I stick with the same brand for both wireless interfaces, and the 5ghz band?
[05:57] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, yep
[05:57] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, get a fast G and you should be fine
[05:58] <stevetv> tgm.. yeah well maybe it's a hardware problem.  buti get much stuttering with hd.. it just seemed my network didn't have the bandwidth
[05:58] <Wy|laptop> is there a reason?
[05:58] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, something with MIMO or equiv should work
[05:58] <Wy|laptop> using a pair of WRT54GLs right now
[05:58] <tgm4883_laptop> stevetv, what hardware?
[05:59] <tazgodx> so, would you guys recommend a seagate HDD over WD? or WD?
[05:59] <Wy|laptop> what precisely is the problem? the draft spec?
[05:59] <stevetv> my remote wireless frontend is a compaq laptop.. its using the built in centrino laptop wireless.
[05:59] <Wy|laptop> tazgodx: I'd say pick one that makes you happy.
[05:59] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, Idk what those are other than Linksys
[05:59] <Wy|laptop> ie, price / performance / warantee
[06:00] <Wy|laptop> foxbuntu: basic G routers, linux friendly, 2.4ghz band. I'm using openwrt kamikaze
[06:00] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, http://pastebin.com/m5978205c
[06:01] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, the actual technology is bad behind N right now...I have talked to engineers in the Wifi industry and they tell me its a bad implmentation of wireless right now, its data handeling can drop lots of packets and you have to match all the hardware exatly to make sure it works at all right now
[06:01] <tgm4883_laptop> stevetv, cpu speed?  Vid card?
[06:01] <Wy|laptop> fox: well, shouldn't be a big problem if I match cards, right?
[06:02] <Wy|laptop> it's going to be for a bridge solution, not a general access solution
[06:02] <tritium> nothing wrong with N at the physical layer
[06:03] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, i should have sent you this one first
[06:03] <tgm4883_laptop> http://pastebin.com/m5a7e2acf
[06:03] <foxbuntu> Wy|laptop, even then...if you are going to try it I say good luck...but I have talked to far too many people in the field that have said its a waste over fast G/A right now
[06:04] <Wy|laptop> fox: noted.
[06:06] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I am not totaly sure...however I think this [[ ! -f conf/mre.conf ]] should be [ [ ! -f conf/mre.conf ] ]
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> tried that
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> different error
[06:08] <foxbuntu> what is the error with that?
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> if [ [ ! -f conf/mre.conf ] ]; then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 -b conf/mre.conf /etc; fi
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> [: 1: !: unexpected operator
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> if [ [ -d /etc/logrotate.d ] ]; then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 logrotate/mre /etc/logrotate.d; fi
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> [: 1: -d: unexpected operator
[06:11] <superm1> tgm4883, just try it with a single [
[06:11] <superm1> rather than two
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> i did that too :)
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> and that worked
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> but then I got the first link posted
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, http://pastebin.com/m5978205c
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> this error, is when i try to start it
[06:12] <superm1> um
[06:12] <superm1> so it didn't install the file?
[06:12] <superm1> or it did
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> it did
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> and when i run it
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> bam
[06:13] <tgm4883_laptop> thats what i get, and thats also the part of the file that it points to
[06:13] <superm1> i dunno
[06:13] <superm1> sounds like a bug in the program
[06:13] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:13] <stevetv> gents.. is there a flash player in mythweb that will play recordings on the fly?
[06:13] <stevetv> ie .. not download the entire file before playing it?
[06:14] <tazgodx> there are no plugins for mythweb
[06:14] <tazgodx> no flash
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> actually
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> I think thats what mythstreamtv does
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> sorta
[06:14] <tazgodx> no, mythstreamtv streams over the net to a non mythtv computer
[06:14] <tazgodx> streams recorded content
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> is that not what he just asked?
[06:15] <tazgodx> your thinking mythstream
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[06:15] <tazgodx> maybe im confused
[06:15] <tgm4883_laptop> im thinking he wants to access his mythweb from another computer, and have it stream to the computer instead of d/l the file first
[06:15] <tazgodx> but it mythstreamtv won't play on the fly. it only plays recorded content
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ??????
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> that makes no sense to me
[06:16] <tazgodx> haha
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> define play on the fly
[06:16] <tazgodx> im getting myself confused
[06:16] <tazgodx> by on the fly, i meant live tv
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[06:16] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[06:17] <tgm4883_laptop> on the fly would be playing while streaming, not playing after downloading
[06:17] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, I am not totaly sure...however I think this [[ ! -f conf/mre.conf ]] should be [ [! -f conf/mre.conf] ]
[06:17] <tazgodx> i guess mythstreamtv does what he wants then
[06:18] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, isn't that what you just told me?
[06:18] <foxbuntu> no
[06:18] <foxbuntu> white space removed
[06:18] <foxbuntu> look again
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> like this
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> if [ [! -f conf/mre.conf] ]; then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 -b conf/mre.conf /etc; fi
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> [: 1: -f: unexpected operator
[06:19] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, did you say you were going to try this?
[06:19] <tazgodx> haha, was
[06:20] <tazgodx> im having second thoughts tho
[06:20] <tazgodx> seeing you
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> actually I think i would still try if I were you
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm wondering if the MRE is specifically written for 32-bit
[06:21] <tazgodx> if you would like to install on my 32-bit system, ill give you the IP and you can VNC in :)
[06:21] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, try chaning the [[ 's to (
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> if ( (! -f conf/mre.conf) ); then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 -b conf/mre.conf /etc; fi
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> /bin/sh: -f: not found
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> if ( ( -d /etc/logrotate.d ) ); then /usr/bin/install --mode=644 logrotate/mre /etc/logrotate.d; fi
[06:22] <tgm4883_laptop> /bin/sh: -d: not found
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, it's really just a few commands
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> and a few extra installed items
[06:24] <stevetv> wow..  yes tgm, i believed thats what i asked.  .. i think.  ill have to read through this all
[06:24] <tazgodx> is that a no? :)
[06:24] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, can you send me the link to the whole package so I can tear on it there and try a few things?
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> well it's all command line, so ssh would be prefered
[06:24] <tgm4883_laptop> yea sec
[06:26] <tritium> And finally texlive is finished installing...
[06:26] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=160364
[06:27] <tazgodx> so you want ssh info?
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> sure
[06:34] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, great..I will take a look after I get my lappy fixed
[06:40] <tritium> superm1: wow, nice set of documentation.  Where shall I add this info?
[06:41] <superm1> tritium, make a new .tex file
[06:41] <superm1> and follow the same syntax
[06:41] <superm1> and then include it on the top level file
[06:41] <superm1> near the start of the install
[06:41] <tritium> superm1: okay
[06:41] <superm1> tritium, also it'd be worthwhile to link to the website's url to install from the web
[06:42] <superm1> after explaining the differences
[06:42] <tritium> superm1: I noted that texlive already pulls in preview-latex-style, texlive-latex-extra, and texlive-latex-recommended
[06:42] <superm1> ah easy nough
[06:43] <tritium> superm1: mythbuntu URL, or ubuntu URL?
[06:43] <superm1> tritium, http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[06:43] <superm1> link to that
[06:43] <tritium> gotcha, thanks
[06:44] <tritium> superm1: as it's getting late, I may prefer to finish this up tomorrow
[06:44] <superm1> tritium, okay sounds good
[06:45] <superm1> as long as its in before the end of the day tomrorow
[06:45] <superm1> so that its ready for announce :)
[06:45] <tritium> Okay, not a problem.
[06:45] <tritium> What time zone?
[06:45] <superm1> central time
[06:45] <tritium> Okay, I'm in Mountain
[06:46] <tazgodx> so are you guys planning on including mythstreamtv in mythbuntu? i think all other mythtv disrtos include it
[06:47] <superm1> tazgodx, not for gutsy release no.
[06:47] <tritium> It appears to be packaged, though.  So you can add it.
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> tritium, source package?
[06:49] <tazgodx> mythstreamtv is packaged?
[06:50] <tritium> mythstream is, rather
[06:50] <tazgodx> i didn't know either one were actualy
[06:50] <tazgodx> but mythstream is completely different :)
[06:50] <tritium> mythstream is in universe
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> mythstream comes with mythbuntu
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> on the cd
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> mythstreamtv does not, and is not in the repos
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> they are different programs
[06:52] <tazgodx> mythstream is on the mythbuntu cd? does it install it by default?
[06:54] <stevetv> yes tasgodx.. its installed
[06:54] <stevetv> its in the menu as main > videos > play online streams
[06:55] <tazgodx> hmm, i didn't notice it before
[07:01] <stevetv> 0.21 has a flash player for mythtv.
[07:01] <tritium> superm1: I'll be in touch tomorrow.  Feel free to /query me.  I'll be away, but will stay connected.
[07:01] <superm1> okay tritium
[07:01] <superm1> sounds good
[07:01] <tritium> Good night.
[07:01] <superm1> night
[07:02] <tazgodx> superm1: is mythstreamtv planned for the next rls? just curious
[07:02] <tgm4883_laptop> $add spec
[07:02] <mythbot> Please write up a new specification for that here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/  We appreciate the ideas.  Without a blueprint, there is a 99% chance that it won't get done.
[07:03] <tazgodx> haha
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> im going to bed
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, http://www.mythbuntu.org/7.10/release_notes
[07:03] <tazgodx> nigth
[07:09] <superm1> night tgm4883_laptop
[07:09] <superm1> good good
[07:15] <gib> Does anyone have any idea why I can't change my audio sampling rate for Hardware MPEG-2 default back to 32000?  I changed it to 48000 and want to change it back, but it won't let me.  It's locked on 48000 and won't let me change it.  I can change anything else in the profile, and can also change the sampling rate in any of the other profiles High, Low, etc.
[07:16] <rooaus> I am not a Debian expert and want to pick the brains of some experienced users here if that is ok? Is it easy to use the source packages to build trunk binaries of a particular svn version and apply my own patches?
[07:17] <superm1> rooaus, you'll be better poking in here in ~12-18 hours
[07:17] <superm1> :)
[07:17] <rooaus> superm1: Why is that, time difference?
[07:17] <superm1> yeah
[07:17] <superm1> the person who does a fair amount of trunk stuff
[07:18] <gib> I've been wondering why it's been so quite in here the last few day.  You guys working fast and furious to make the final release?
[07:18] <superm1> well we've moved a majority of -dev stuff to a different -dev channel :)
[07:18] <superm1> to separate dev and support talk
[07:20] <rooaus> superm1: Ah, I thought you said there was a dev channel once but don't remember seeing it on the website. Is it a closed shop?
[07:20] <gib> Oh, so now it's just the blind leading the blind left in here, huh?  All us MythTv newbies attempting to help each other out.
[07:20] <superm1> rooaus, well anyone can join in it, but we're trying to avoid being too public so we don't catch a lot of people coming in there if we're not responsive here
[07:20] <superm1> #ubuntu-mythtv-dev :)
[07:21] <superm1> well i mean all of us in there are here too
[07:21] <superm1> but our dev talk goes on there instead
[07:21] <rooaus> cunning ;)
[07:22] <gib> You have any idea why you won't be allowed to change a default setting back after you change it?
[07:22] <stevetv> superm1 .. so dev is like the area where all the cool kids hang out and smoke?
[07:23] <stevetv> .. you know it is..
[07:23] <superm1> haha
[07:23] <superm1> gib, that's a pretty general question
[07:23] <gib> I was more specific a few lines up
[07:24] <superm1> gib, not too sure
[07:24] <stevetv> gib.. not to suggest something obvious.. but have you tried just restarting?  what you described shouldn't happen
[07:24] <gib> Yes.
[07:25] <stevetv> lol.. dang
[07:25] <stevetv> .. cause thats my favorate solution
[07:25] <rooaus> superm1: Is l* the man to talk to?
[07:25] <superm1> rooaus, laga you mean?
[07:25] <rooaus> yeah
[07:25] <superm1> yeah
[07:25] <rooaus> thanks
[07:26] <gib> So, what's my recourse?  Can I just delete and recreate the default profile somehow?
[07:26] <gib> Or manually edit a config file to make the change?
[07:26] <rooaus> gib: Have you checked your logs, myth usuallywrites helpful information to it's log files if there has been some error.
[07:28] <gib> No, but it doesn't seem like myth is thinking of it as an error;  it seems that it thinks 48000 is the only option for some reason.  It doesn't even show any other options.
[07:28] <gib> Although, strangly enough it show 32000 as an option in Live  TV, HQ, and LQ profiles, just not Default anymore.
[07:31] <rooaus> I am not sure mate, does seem odd.
[07:32] <gib> Where are these profiles stored?  In the sql-server database?
[07:32] <gib> Is there a way to reset a Default profile to it's defaults? :)
[07:33] <rooaus> gib: All settings are in the db, you could trawl the source to work out the defaults and manually set them.
[07:34] <gib> Well, the hole problem is that I CAN'T set the one property, not that I don't remember the default values.
[07:34] <gib> whole
[07:35] <rooaus> Or (and don't blame me if this goes wrong), backup your DB then drop the table for the profiles. Myth should recreate the missing table *I think*.
[07:36] <gib> btw, how do you delete a profile.  It lets you create as many as you like, but I see no option for removing profiles.
[07:39] <rooaus> I don't think my suggestion earlier will work, I have just tried it on a test box (laptop). The table does not appear to get recreated.
[07:41] <gib> The only thing I can think to do is run backend setup and completely remove and recreate card.  It seem like there should be a less drastic way.
[07:42] <rooaus> I think to delete a profile you can just press 'D' with the profile highlighted. At least that work in a lot of the areas where the deletion is not on a popup etc.
[07:44] <gib> I wonder if Default is treated differently though, because it won't let you rename it like you can the other profiles.
[07:46] <rooaus> gib: I think you are right, if it gets renamed I think things go pear shaped. Myth may be "protecting" it.
[07:48] <gib> I just removed the capture card and re-added it.
[07:49] <gib> I'll bet that 32000 option will come back.
[07:51] <gib> Do you happen to know how much difference in storages space and extra cpu drain to replay audio sampling at 48000 vs 32000 makes?
[07:55] <gib> Hmm.  That's interesting.  Removing and re-adding the card didn't help.
[07:55] <rooaus> Don't know for sure, wouldn't think it would be much in comparison to video processing/storage.
[07:57] <gib> I'm using a 1Ghz C3 chip and CPU power is at a premium.  I want to run playback with a noise filter, and with anything over 480x480, cpu usage gets high enough to make playback choppy.
[07:58] <gib> 480x480 w/ quickdnr = 70% and video will run smoothly, anything beyond = choppy.
[07:59] <gib> I just rebuilt ffmpeg with c3 nehemiah optimizations, but that didn't make a big enough difference.
[08:11] <rooaus> gib: You would get better optimisations by compiling mythtv itself, should be able to do it from the source debs. A tweaked ffmpeg is included in the myth source tree, so compiling it separately probably won't help within myth.
[08:14] <gib> I rebuilt the libmpeg2d1 package and it dep packages.  That won't have an effect?
[08:17] <rooaus> My understanding is the myth sync's to ffmpeg "upstream". ie periodically the devs get the latest ffmpeg snapshot, make some myth related customisations and include it in the mythtv source code.
[08:17] <gib> I just downloaded and rebuilt the cvs that was already being used by mythbuntu.
[08:18] <gib> from the .deb sources
[08:20] <gib> It would be cool if Myth tv offered pre-compiled optimized packages for certain cpu that have unusual requirements like the via chips.
[08:20] <gib> Due to it's small cache
[08:23] <rooaus> that is the job of the distro's, you should find that the configure from mythtv should recognise your via processor. Maybe you need to look at minimyth, I believe it is made for the via mini-itx.
[08:25] <gib> I'll take a look at it.
[08:27] <rooaus> It may be worth looking at it, "right tool for the job" and all. :)
[08:29] <gib> I don't have an all-in-one via mini system though.  I have a C3 Nehemiah chip in a sis motherboard.
[08:32] <rooaus> wow, didn't know they put them in anything else apart from SBCs.
[08:34] <rooaus> afk
[08:34] <h3x> how do you get into the setup screen for component output,
[08:34] <h3x> like the one the installer uses
[08:36] <gib> It was one of the last chips they make before they abandoned the reg chip market to go only integrated.
[08:36] <gib> made
[08:39] <gib> It would be cool if they would program nvidia gpus to run filters inside the gpu
[08:41] <gib> You can't use XvMC if you're using filters or it will ignore them.  I can't get it XvMC to work anyway though--except on xine (xxmc).
[08:42] <gib> If you could pass the filter to the gpu you could though.
[08:44] <gib> It seems the via optimizations helped a couple % points--could be a my imagination though.
[08:45] <gib> I wonder how much difference a C3-2 optimized kernel would make.
[08:46] <gib> Are there any repos with ubuntu kernels with different optimizations?
[13:02] <solarbaby> Who lives?
[14:30] <Nino_Aderri> Hi, when will Mythbuntu 7.10 be released ?
[14:43] <therethinker> $mythbot
[14:43] <mythbot> Hi! I know a lot about MythTV! I can also do things like look stuff up on wikipedia. To see what I know, use $. To learn more about me, say $help.
[14:43] <therethinker> still working, good
[14:51] <rooaus> $
[14:51] <mythbot> IndexError: list index out of range (file "/var/nas/phenny/modules/help.py", line 26, in f_chelp)
[14:51] <rooaus> $help
[14:51] <mythbot> Hi, I'm mythbot! You can pick my brain by using $. (See also: $source, $cmdhelp)
[16:11] <fadumpt_> on a mythbuntu frontend/backend, the frontend won't start,  goes to the database setup screen...mysql is running and  password is right
[16:11] <solarbaby> I just wonder if I damaged my crontab file because the very first time I saved it i forgot to use -e
[16:12] <solarbaby> sounds like even though your database is running, your not accessing it
[16:13] <fadumpt_> any idea why?
[16:13] <solarbaby> did you assign a ip address?
[16:13] <fadumpt_> localhost
[16:13] <solarbaby> it might be better to leave it as 127.0.0.1
[16:13] <fadumpt_> yeah
[16:13] <solarbaby> try messing with that
[16:13] <fadumpt_> oh okay
[16:14] <fadumpt_> no, that didn't help
[16:15] <fadumpt_> I did try changing the password several times thinking it may be a bad password (says access denied to database when I run the frontend (in the background command line window)
[16:15] <fadumpt_> is there somewhere else I need to go to update the password change?
[16:15] <fadumpt_> or does denied mean something else entiraly?
[16:18] <solarbaby> so you want to check to make sure your password is correct?
[16:18] <fadumpt_> yeah I think so
[16:18] <fadumpt_> i read somewhere to check a mysql.conf file or something in etc but I think that was still for mythtv
[16:18] <fadumpt_> not mysql in general
[16:19] <solarbaby> yeahh your password will be in there
[16:19] <solarbaby> pico /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[16:20] <fadumpt_> yeah that's what I checked
[16:20] <fadumpt_> to make sure it matched
[16:20] <fadumpt_> i'm trying to directly login to mysql now (command line)
[16:20] <solarbaby> mysql -u whatever -p whatever
[16:21] <solarbaby> or maybe its -pwhatever yeah i think theres no space for password
[16:21] <fadumpt_> yeah
[16:21] <fadumpt_> it's mysql -u mythtv -p
[16:21] <fadumpt_> and then it asks for a password
[16:21] <fadumpt_> but I can't seem to connect with the now password or the originally assigned password :(
[16:21] <solarbaby> if you put -ppassword as such.. no space it should just work
[16:22] <fadumpt_> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[16:22] <fadumpt_> that's what I get every time
[16:22] <solarbaby> eww
[16:22] <fadumpt_> well that can't be good
[16:23] <solarbaby> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset?highlight=%28reset%29%7C%28password%29%7C%28in%29%7C%28mysql%29
[16:24] <solarbaby> that'll probably do it
[16:24] <solarbaby> course I really wonder why it shouldn't be working in the first place
[16:24] <solarbaby> usually mythtv sets up all that stuff for you
[16:25] <fadumpt_> thanks for the link
[16:25] <solarbaby> I hope it helps
[16:28] <fadumpt_> i don't have a /usr/bin/mysqld :-/
[16:28] <fadumpt_> mysqld_multi and _safe....
[16:28] <sslashes> where is the file that calls mythfrontend.real?
[16:28] <fadumpt_> same thing?
[16:28] <fadumpt_> use multi?
[16:28] <sslashes> when using automatic login in mythbuntu
[16:30] <sslashes> i ask because i need a script run on login, and creating an .xsession, .config/openbox/autostart, or any other type of startup file did not work
[16:31] <fadumpt_> maybe not
[16:32] <sslashes> huh?
[16:32] <fadumpt_> mysqld_multi didnt work, said no such thing as --skip-grant-tables
[16:32] <solarbaby> rc.local should be good for starting files at bootup/login
[16:33] <fadumpt_> Doesn't mythbuntu control centre take care of that for you?
[16:34] <sslashes> solarbaby: how can i use rc.local for *logon*, i was only aware of its use on boot?
[16:34] <fadumpt_> maybe gnome session manager?
[16:34] <fadumpt_> if you are using gnome...
[16:34] <sslashes> nope, as far as i can tell, the default for a desktopless mythbuntu install is now openbox
[16:34] <fadumpt_> oh
[16:35] <sslashes> but i still have remnants of xfce from prior version of mythbuntu
[16:35] <solarbaby> sslashes: its probably just boot.. im a newbie too
[16:35] <sslashes> solarbaby: ah, no worres =P
[16:35] <fadumpt_> I installed Gutsy and then installed the mythtv stuff...and the control centre gave the option to add the mythbuntu artwork to startup/login and the option to boot the frontend on logon
[16:37] <sslashes> fadumpt_: i am trying to execute a custom script of mine on logon that handles a few maintanance taks (like making the cursor a transparent box, therefor removing it from sign during application changes - from say mythfrontend to xine)
[16:37] <sslashes> *sign = sight
[16:37] <sslashes> its really bugging me that i cannot find the script that actually starts mythfrontend...
[16:38] <superm1> sslashes, that sounds like a neat idea
[16:39] <superm1> sslashes, mythfrontend is executed from ~/.config/autostart
[16:39] <superm1> which launches /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop
[16:39] <superm1> which launched /usr/bin/mythfrontend
[16:39] <superm1> which launched /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real
[16:39] <superm1> and sourced everything from ~/.mythtv/session
[16:41] <superm1> sslashes, really your best bet is to put your items in /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[16:42] <sslashes> ug with a patch?
[16:43] <sslashes> ^^ scratch that
[16:43] <sslashes> superm1: thanks for the info - what is the normal method for adding features - submiting a bug with a patch?
[16:43] <superm1> sslashes, for now, make sure it works on your setup by adding it to that file
[16:43] <superm1> sslashes, and then you can write a spec for it
[16:43] <superm1> $spec
[16:43] <superm1> argh. silly mythbot
[16:44] <superm1> http://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+specs
[16:44] <sslashes> heh, ok - thanks
[16:44]  * superm1 throws a really heavy object at therethinker 
[16:45] <superm1> sslashes, the only problem i anticipate with such a feature is that what happens when you need the mouse?
[16:45] <superm1> say to modify settings outside myth?
[16:45] <fadumpt_> any ideas on what to run instead /usr/bin/mysqld (since it doesn't seem to exist in gutsy)
[16:50] <superm1> fadumpt_, /etc/init.d/mysql ?
[16:50] <superm1> that will handle it for you
[16:50] <superm1> and its in /usr/sbin
[16:51] <sslashes> superm1: i assume it would only be enabled for the "no desktop" setup of mythbuntu
[16:51] <fadumpt_> oh, okay, stupid howto page ...
[16:51] <superm1> sslashes, yeah.  but there would have to be a very easy way to change it then.  especially since you can pull up the mcc from right inside mythtv
[16:52] <superm1> and need a mouse for that right now
[16:52] <sslashes> perhaps a daemon can stand by and wait for any mouse movement and enable/disable the cursor as nessissary
[16:52] <sslashes> simple perl script could do it
[16:53] <solarbaby> superm1: Heya
[16:53] <superm1> hi
[16:54] <solarbaby> superm1: I think I may need your expertise again, heh..
[16:54] <superm1> sslashes, hm that sounds like something a lot of projects could take advantage of too
[16:54] <sslashes> superm1: i'll look into it and jump back in here sometime later
[16:54] <solarbaby> superm1: this really shouldn't be a tuffy but I think maybe I currupted my cronjob or I just dont know how to use it right
[16:54] <superm1> sslashes, okay cool sounds good
[16:54] <superm1> solarbaby, why?
[16:59] <solarbaby> superm1:  I saved it once with pico with out using pico -e filename  but then i saved it again next time with the -e so I dont know what that rusults in..  anyways heres the actual crontab the bottom 2 are what I was trying to use to test to make sure crontab workshttp://paste-it.net/4044
[17:00] <superm1> well you can't start X apps from a crontab
[17:00] <superm1> unless you mess with x authentication
[17:00] <superm1> also: /root/zap2xml/mythfilldatabase --file 1 7 ~/zap2xml/xmltv.xml should be /root/zap2xml/mythfilldatabase --file 1 7 /root/zap2xml/xmltv.xml
[17:01] <superm1> and also
[17:01] <superm1> you have too many redirections going on i think
[17:01] <superm1> you want to dump 2>&1 first
[17:01] <superm1> and then into a file
[17:08] <solarbaby> I just dont understand the cron world
[17:08] <solarbaby> it really confuses me
[17:09] <solarbaby> its as if every single article I read about doing a cron job doesn't work
[17:09] <solarbaby> hehe
[17:10] <solarbaby> I've read 5
[17:32] <MythbuntuGuest98> hello
[17:33] <solarbaby> superm1: i figured now that it wont log at least I could see the hard drive spinning if it started up.. but it didn't start up
[17:36] <solarbaby> My crontabs are defective!
[17:37] <solarbaby> i can't explain it but they simply dont work
[18:11] <fadumpt_> mysql doesn't have access rights to the dir :(
[18:15] <fadumpt_> okay mysql in /var/lib/mysql is rwx by root, rx by users in the group, and rx by all
[18:19] <MythbuntuGuest21> Hello, new to mythtv+mythbuntu
[18:19] <fadumpt_> welcome
[18:20] <MythbuntuGuest21> Thanks, I'm currently installing mythbuntu on another machine, currently as in 73% done, and I tried yesturday on a machine at work and was lost when it came to configuring MythTV, would you mind walking through the install?
[18:21] <MythbuntuGuest21> I have an ATI All-in-Wonder VE and it has a UHF port
[18:21] <fadumpt_> O_o
[18:21] <directhex> gah
[18:21] <fadumpt_> I'm not quite sure that's gonna work for you :(
[18:22] <directhex> abandon hope all ye who enter here. ATI hate you, would stomp on your puppy if you had one, certainly don't want you to use your AIW's tv in on anything but windows
[18:22] <fadumpt_> when I first decided "i'm gonna do this!" i had an old all in wonder at work...did some research and the answer "ATI no work"
[18:22] <directhex> for your (hypothetical) puppy's sake, stop now. unless you hate puppies, in which case carry on
[18:23] <MythbuntuGuest21> I'm really more of a ferret person anyway
[18:23] <fadumpt_> i have a newer all in wonder that's useless becuase of that "issue" :(
[18:23] <fadumpt_> everytime you use an All In Wonder....Einstein kills a ferret
[18:23] <directhex> it'd take your ferrets, and prevent them from playing with anything shiny *ever*
[18:24] <MythbuntuGuest21> Does it just not work at all? lol I pretty much just want to record south park and family guy
[18:24] <directhex> it doesn't work at all. did you see the part about ATI hating you and stomping on puppies?
[18:24] <MythbuntuGuest21> Whats a good card to get?
[18:25] <directhex> where are you geographically?
[18:25] <MythbuntuGuest21> Phoenix
[18:25] <MythbuntuGuest21> USA
[18:26] <fadumpt_> software card if all you want is for a few shows
[18:26] <fadumpt_> specially if you have a good system
[18:26] <fadumpt_> like over 1.?Ghz
[18:26] <directhex> and you were planning on getting a signal into your machine via terrestrial analog?
[18:26] <fadumpt_> and like over 512mb of ram
[18:27] <MythbuntuGuest21> i believe its 1.4 ghz 512 mb and if by terrestrial analog you mean cable then yes
[18:27] <directhex> analog cable i'm out of my league, sorry
[18:29] <MythbuntuGuest21> mythtv cant work with cable tv?
[18:30] <directhex> it can, but i don't use analog or cable
[18:30] <toorima> MythbuntuGuest21: u could maybe get by with a software card but I tried it with a 1.6ghz celeron and it was a little jerky, I now have a pvr150 for sd, works great, and a pchdtv5500 for hdtv, upgraded the machine so it could handle the hd tho
[18:30] <toorima> mythtv works very well with cable
[18:30] <toorima> cox?
[18:30] <directhex> you'll need to ask someone with experience of americanese device selection. i just use dvb-t
[18:30] <MythbuntuGuest21> yea cox
[18:30] <fadumpt_> mythtv works fine with cable tv
[18:30] <fadumpt_> i used it with that at the other house
[18:31] <fadumpt_> with a pvr150 card (hardware)
[18:31] <toorima> i use cox cable in san diego, works very well with mythtv
[18:31] <fadumpt_> it was nice
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest21> so if i go pick up a card from frys (sigh :(  i should get an nvida card?
[18:32] <fadumpt_> there is a mythtv wiki that shows good software cards to use
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest21> k
[18:32] <fadumpt_> especially if you are using a non-celeron style card
[18:32] <MythbuntuGuest21> yea i got an amd
[18:33] <fadumpt_> what are my permissions in /var/lib/mysql supposed to be
[18:34] <directhex> drwxr-xr-x 5 mysql mysql 4096 2007-10-15 22:48 /var/lib/mysql
[18:35] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest21, for graphics, you're *always* better with nvidia than ati in linux. for tv-in, hauppauge is a generally good brand, with specific devices shown in assorted wikis
[18:37] <toorima> if u can get a ati to work they can give better color tho, but nvidia is easier to set up
[18:37] <toorima> i never to it to work properly tho so got an nvidia
[18:37] <MythbuntuGuest21> i see
[18:38] <fadumpt_> okay so that's right
[18:38] <fadumpt_> why I get errors then :(
[18:38] <fadumpt_> it says "the error means mysqld does not have access to the directory"
[18:38] <fadumpt_> file name ./ibdata1
[18:39] <toorima> ls -l /var/lib/mysql
[18:39] <toorima> total 20500
[18:39] <toorima> -rw-r--r-- 1 mysql mysql        0 2007-10-20 13:37 debian-5.0.flag
[18:39] <toorima> -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 10485760 2007-10-20 22:41 ibdata1
[18:39] <toorima> -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql  5242880 2007-10-20 22:43 ib_logfile0
[18:39] <toorima> -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql  5242880 2007-10-20 11:18 ib_logfile1
[18:39] <toorima> drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql mysql     4096 2007-10-20 13:37 mysql
[18:39] <toorima> -rw------- 1 mysql mysql        6 2007-10-20 11:25 mysql_upgrade_info
[18:39] <toorima> drwx------ 2 mysql mysql     8192 2007-10-20 15:10 mythconverg
[18:39] <fadumpt_> yeah that looks like mine
[18:44] <solarbaby> cron sucks ass
[18:44] <solarbaby> after a few hours I still can't make it work
[18:45] <fadumpt_> yeah, cron is funny like that
[18:46] <solarbaby> it just doesn't make sense..  I just restarted the service maybe that'll help
[18:47] <solarbaby> I did all the research..  at least some of the entrys I made should have worked if cron was functioning I believe
[18:47] <solarbaby> you'd figure after all these years that they would just make it work better
[18:48] <solarbaby> the whole cron business just gives me bad gass
[18:49] <solarbaby> look out for me, I've been fighting with cron
[18:53] <fadumpt_> http://www.jinx.com/men/shirts/geek/children_of_the_cron.html
[18:55] <toorima> cool t-shirt
[18:55] <toorima> but there are no colors or sizes
[18:56] <fadumpt_> solarbaby's cron woes made me think of the shirt
[18:57] <toorima> hehe
[18:57] <solarbaby> cron should kiss my gassy ass
[18:57] <fadumpt_> :)
[18:57] <fadumpt_> I'm not supposed to get any errors when i run /usr/sbin/mysqld --skip-grant-tables -user=root right?
[18:58] <solarbaby> did you get errors?
[18:58] <solarbaby> maybe its -user'root'  but thats just a guess
[18:58] <solarbaby> err -user='root'
[18:58] <solarbaby> or something..  I dunno follow the instructions on the web site and dont listen to this cron beaten old turd
[18:59] <toorima> try -user=mythtv
[19:01] <solarbaby> maybe I should reinstall cron
[19:04] <solarbaby> oh i see now removing cron was a mistake
[19:04] <solarbaby> oops
[19:04] <toorima> do u use cron manualy or crontab -e
[19:05] <solarbaby> both
[19:05] <solarbaby> now it took out all kinds of myth stuff
[19:05] <toorima> ouch
[19:05] <solarbaby> crap on that
[19:05] <solarbaby> myth was working awesome too
[19:07] <solarbaby> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[19:07] <solarbaby> (Reading database ... 62141 files and directories currently installed.)
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing mythtv-backend-master ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing mythtv ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing mythtv-database ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing mythtv-backend ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend .
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing ubuntu-standard ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing samba ... * Stopping Samba daemons...                                                                 [ OK ]
[19:07] <solarbaby> Removing logrotate ...
[19:07] <solarbaby> now im in serious trouble
[19:13] <solarbaby> I guess that little mistake is going to cause me to reinstall everything
[19:13] <solarbaby> good going gas bag
[19:13] <solarbaby> toot
[19:13] <toorima> yeah doesn't look to good
[19:14] <solarbaby> yeah..  blah.. maybe i'll make the best out of it and upgrade my hard drive by 400 gigs
[19:14] <solarbaby> that'll make me feel better
[19:14] <toorima> well if u have hd u need it
[19:14] <solarbaby> I originally installed with a 70 gig drive
[19:14] <toorima> ouch
[19:14] <solarbaby> so I guess I was under the recommended limit
[19:15] <toorima> well for sd that is like 35 hours of tv so
[19:15] <solarbaby> I can format the windows computer now, and install my video card over there
[19:15] <solarbaby> yeah..  oh great.. now myth decided to record something hehe
[19:15] <toorima> lol
[19:17] <solarbaby> I think the lesson that I learned is /etc/crontab doesn't do anything
[19:17] <solarbaby> and to deffinately uninstall cron when its time to format
[19:18] <superm1> solarbaby, you have been hand modifying /etc/crontab?
[19:18] <superm1> you need to do it with crontab -e
[19:18] <superm1> i thought
[19:19] <solarbaby> I did both
[19:19] <solarbaby> and none of them gave me results
[19:19] <solarbaby> and now i destoryed everything I think
[19:19] <solarbaby> unless I can figure out how to work cron, myth probably wont start up on its own, neither will samba
[19:20] <superm1> solarbaby, they both work from init scripts
[19:21] <superm1> how did you disable them in the first place
[19:21] <solarbaby> apt-get remove cron
[19:21] <superm1> but i mean mythbackend and samba
[19:21] <superm1> they're not starting up?
[19:21] <solarbaby> Oh I saw during the removal of cron that those things were being uninstalled
[19:23] <superm1> and you kept going? :)
[19:23] <solarbaby> Im 2 hours frustrated with cron
[19:23] <solarbaby> it should just work
[19:24] <solarbaby> I read 5 manuals
[19:24] <solarbaby> it doesn't work
[19:24] <solarbaby> so now I'll have to spend another few hours reinstalling..  but I guess I wanted to reinstall anyways sometime
[19:25] <superm1> solarbaby, well if your going to reinstall, we're announcing final tomorrow
[19:25] <superm1> might as well use that image
[19:25] <solarbaby> can I access that image today?
[19:26] <superm1> solarbaby, yeah it's in place on at least one mirror right now
[19:26] <solarbaby> good deal
[19:26] <solarbaby> Im ready
[19:26] <solarbaby> GIMME
[19:47] <solarbaby> superm1: this would be a good time to exersize backing up a mysql database right?
[19:48] <solarbaby> superm1: thats something that never worked for me before..  I dont have high hopes for it working this time but I might as well try
[21:28] <Gumby> solarbaby, what are you needing cron for?
[21:29] <tritium> superm1: I read some of the scrollback.  Is the documentation not part of the iso image?
[21:29] <superm1> tritium, it will be linked on mythbuntu.org
[21:29] <superm1> on the front page there will be an "Installation Manual"
[21:29] <superm1> link
[21:29] <tritium> superm1: okay.  I'm back on it now.
[21:34] <aidans> does anybody fancy pointing out the really obvious place I'm going wrong? I've got TVFormat set to PAL-I and TVStandard set to Video but I'm still getting black and white output from my ATI card's svideo. :/
[21:37] <directhex> did you see my comments on how ati hate you personally and stomp on puppies?
[21:38] <aidans> no. I knew buying an ATI card this time around on account of them opening the specs was premature
[21:38] <aidans> I thought the hate had been forgiven and all that nastiness was in the past
[21:45] <directhex> the puppies continue to be stomped on
[21:46] <directhex> i don't hate ATI. i love puppies
[21:50] <Gumby> aidans, are you using svid to composite?
[21:51] <aidans> Gumby: no, svideo to svideo A/V AMP to SCART convertor
[21:51] <aidans> Gumby: basically the same setup worked with the old myth box which had an nvidia card
[21:52] <Gumby> aidans, have you installed the ati proprietary drivers?
[21:52] <aidans> Gumby: yep
[21:52] <Gumby> no idea, carry on.  hehe
[21:52] <Gumby> sorry
[21:52] <aidans> well poo
[21:52] <aidans> :)
[21:53] <Gumby> I just got a TV with vga inputs. It makes my life much easier
[21:53] <aidans> TV upgrade is going to be HDMI so I'll just use the DVI output
[21:55] <aidans> there isn't anything like aticonfig --make-it-work-secret-command that i need to run?
[22:17] <Gumby> hrm, interesting. all of a sudden I cant watch livetv.  the box totally locks up
[22:24]  * Gumby shoots himself in the head
[22:29]  * directhex declares ps3 linux to be lame
[23:30] <TheShadow> Alright I can't seem to get VNC Server to work on my mythbox. When I try to connect with xvnc4viewer to an vnc4server I get "Connection refused (111)"
[23:31] <directhex> mythbuntu provides a vnc server?
[23:31] <TheShadow> directhex: it has a default vnc installation :P
[23:32] <directhex> "default"?
[23:32] <directhex> "connection refused" implies no actual running server
[23:33] <TheShadow> kinda odd since I see it running >_<
[23:34] <directhex> that, in itself, is odd
[23:38] <toorima> have you tried sudo /etc.init.d/gdm restart after you activated vnc?
[23:38] <TheShadow> toorima: yea I've even done a complete restart
[23:39] <TheShadow> I can ssh to the machine so I know its not a networking issue
[23:39] <toorima> hmm check and see if you have any vnc stuff in your xorg.conf
[23:39] <TheShadow> toorima: what am i looking for?
[23:39]  * directhex wonders if his vnc instructions for regular ubuntu would be of any help, decides not
[23:39] <toorima> should be 3 lines of vnc stuff in the screen section
[23:40] <TheShadow> toorima: I don't see anything
[23:41] <toorima> hmm you should have this
[23:41] <toorima>     Option         "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
[23:41] <toorima>     Option         "UserPasswdVerifier" "VncAuth"
[23:41] <toorima>     Option         "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd"
[23:41] <toorima> in your screen section
[23:48] <TheShadow> alright while I do a reboot where do I go to reconfigure the remove to be the happauge 350 remote?
[23:48] <TheShadow> s/remove/remote
[23:49] <TheShadow> and sorry normally I would be digging through the website but its down for maintenance
[23:49] <tgm4883> should be back up now
[23:50] <tgm4883> and you would reconfigure that in MCC
[23:50] <TheShadow> tgm4883: MCC?
[23:51] <tgm4883> $mcc
[23:51] <tgm4883> arg
[23:51] <tgm4883> stupid bot
[23:51] <toorima> hehe
[23:51] <tgm4883> therethinker, bot's dead
[23:51] <tgm4883> mythbuntu-control-centre
[23:51] <directhex> no he's not
[23:51] <TheShadow> ah I see... I would love to use that...
[23:51] <directhex> he's pining for the fjords
[23:51] <TheShadow> except my tv kinda sucks
[23:51] <TheShadow> which is why I'm trying to get vnc working
[23:51] <TheShadow> cause I can't read that small text
[23:52] <tgm4883> TheShadow, have you thought about adjusting your dpi?
[23:52] <TheShadow> tgm4883: I'm willing to try anything setting up video cards has been the toughest part of learning linux for me. I still need to install the nVidia drivers :P
[23:56] <MythbuntuGuest20> I am trying to enable the vnc remote connection but when i enable it and enter in the password, hit apply, it installs but it says that i cannot connect
[23:57] <TheShadow> at least I'm not the only one >_<
[23:57] <tgm4883> TheShadow, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size
[23:58] <dattas> so is this a know issue?
[23:59] <dattas> i installed it with the release canidate