| test-3R | works =)) with some slight mods. | 00:10 |
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| * Elite doesn't have Xubuntu :P | 00:11 | |
| Elite | All I done was got Ubuntu, and just installed XFCE. | 00:11 |
| Elite | Anybody know what application the side widget is http://linuxinit.net/site/images/screenshots/0381.jpg <-- | 00:13 |
| Elite | the workspace switcher. | 00:13 |
| Monkeygill | .desktop icons created with wine, for me, usually use icons that contain a ".0" on the end of the name. this works fine for gnome. an example line would be: "Icon=0e5b_winamp.0" - but this doesn't work in xubuntu. no icon shows up. if I add .xpm to the end, then the icon is visible in the file manager, but not on the desktop. how can I make this work normally? are there any escape characters I should be using or something? | 00:30 |
| nick4 | do you know of a client (besides Mutt or any command line one) that can save messages in a maildir "way"? | 01:03 |
| === l33t is now known as Thirteen-30-7 | ||
| === Thirteen-30-7 is now known as xl33t | ||
| === xl33t is now known as l33tx | ||
| === l33tx is now known as Oday | ||
| === Oday is now known as OhDay | ||
| === OhDay is now known as Eleet | ||
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| joeamined | xubuntu xubunta | 01:25 |
| attunix | How do I get GTK installed? I keep getting an "error: gtk/gtk.h: no such file or directory". | 03:14 |
| wbadger | you have gtk installed | 03:14 |
| The-Kernel | sudo apt-get install gtk2.0 I believe | 03:14 |
| wbadger | you need gtk-dev | 03:14 |
| attunix | thanks | 03:14 |
| The-Kernel | gtk2.0-dev | 03:14 |
| attunix | The-Kernel: that package doesn't exist | 03:15 |
| wbadger | attunix, sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev | 03:16 |
| attunix | thanks | 03:16 |
| attunix | wbadger: yep. that works :) | 03:17 |
| wbadger | :) | 03:17 |
| attunix | I think... it's installing :P | 03:17 |
| attunix | I hope it works :) | 03:17 |
| attunix | lol | 03:17 |
| attunix | nope... doesn't work. | 03:19 |
| attunix | this is the code: | 03:19 |
| attunix | ¡ #include gtk/gtk.h | 03:19 |
| attunix | 03:19 | |
| attunix | int main( int | 03:19 |
| attunix | argc, | 03:19 |
| attunix | char *argv[] ) | 03:19 |
| attunix | { | 03:19 |
| attunix | GtkWidget *window; | 03:19 |
| attunix | gtk_init (&argc, &argv); | 03:19 |
| attunix | window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); | 03:19 |
| attunix | gtk_widget_show (window); | 03:19 |
| attunix | gtk_main (); | 03:19 |
| attunix | return 0; | 03:19 |
| attunix | } | 03:19 |
| The-Kernel | !pastebin | 03:20 |
| wbadger | what doesn't work | 03:20 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 03:20 |
| wbadger | what error do you get | 03:20 |
| attunix | sorry :( | 03:20 |
| wbadger | do you still get no such file found? | 03:20 |
| attunix | that gtk/gtk.h doesn't exist | 03:20 |
| wbadger | do "ls /usr/include/gtk" | 03:20 |
| attunix | ok | 03:21 |
| wbadger | oh | 03:21 |
| attunix | ls: /usr/include/gtk: No such file or directory | 03:21 |
| wbadger | that's right | 03:21 |
| attunix | what? | 03:21 |
| wbadger | the package installs it in gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h | 03:21 |
| attunix | ok | 03:21 |
| wbadger | how are you compiling? | 03:21 |
| attunix | gcc base.c -o base | 03:21 |
| wbadger | ok then add an argument | 03:22 |
| wbadger | I think it goes like this | 03:22 |
| wbadger | gcc base.c -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/ -o base | 03:22 |
| wbadger | that is a capital I after the "-" | 03:22 |
| attunix | ok | 03:22 |
| wbadger | does it work? | 03:22 |
| attunix | hold on | 03:22 |
| attunix | base.c:1:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory | 03:23 |
| wbadger | so I did something wrong | 03:23 |
| wbadger | gcc base.c -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk -o base | 03:24 |
| wbadger | try it ? | 03:24 |
| attunix | hold on. | 03:26 |
| attunix | same error | 03:27 |
| wbadger | maybe should try like this: | 03:27 |
| wbadger | gcc base.c -Igtk-2.0/gtk/ -o base | 03:27 |
| attunix | ok | 03:28 |
| attunix | same | 03:28 |
| attunix | same error | 03:29 |
| wbadger | gcc -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk base.c -o base | 03:31 |
| wbadger | it must work unless the package was not installed correctly | 03:31 |
| wbadger | btw does your include line have <>? | 03:32 |
| wbadger | oh wait we should remove the gtk | 03:32 |
| wbadger | attunix, gcc base.c -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -o base | 03:32 |
| attunix | well, it did something... | 03:33 |
| attunix | it's trying to compile all the library files :P | 03:34 |
| wbadger | very weird | 03:34 |
| wbadger | are you sure? :O | 03:34 |
| attunix | tat's what it looks like | 03:34 |
| attunix | my code doesn't hvae 67 lines :P | 03:35 |
| wbadger | I have no idea what's wrong | 03:35 |
| wbadger | I still wonder why your #include lines lakcs <> though | 03:35 |
| attunix | it's #include <gtk/gtk.h> | 03:36 |
| jason11 | Hey, I just installed Xubuntu 7.10 and when I try to log in I get this message 'Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead. Refusing to initialize GTK+." And then it kicks me back to the login page. Ideas? | 03:36 |
| jason11 | Hey, I just installed Xubuntu 7.10 and when I try to log in I get this message 'Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead. Refusing to initialize GTK+." And then it kicks me back to the login page. Ideas? | 03:50 |
| keb | did you try to login as root? | 03:50 |
| jason11 | i have not | 03:54 |
| keb | was it a fresh install or an upgrade? | 03:55 |
| jason11 | fresh install with a previous /home partition | 03:55 |
| === illu45` is now known as illu45 | ||
| keb | hmm | 03:57 |
| keb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=568189 | 03:57 |
| jason11 | seems to be the same issue | 03:58 |
| jason11 | do you know a way that I can log my processes? It tells me the process number, but the process is killed so I cannot just do a ps and look. | 03:59 |
| keb | could be that your /home directory is owned by a different uid from your current login | 03:59 |
| jason11 | possible, but unlikly | 03:59 |
| keb | is your /home partition even mounted? | 03:59 |
| keb | the old one | 03:59 |
| jason11 | yea | 03:59 |
| keb | when my /home partition wasnt mounted, i would login with a default session | 04:02 |
| jason11 | okay, let me go try some things | 04:03 |
| LM22 | does anyone here know Is it possible to password protect a "nautilus-actions" action? | 04:33 |
| keb | nautilus is part of the default ubuntu GNOME desktop. xubuntu which uses Thunar. so you might get more answers in #ubuntu | 04:44 |
| keb | -which | 04:45 |
| LM22 | yeah no one ever answers in there | 04:49 |
| LM22 | :C | 04:49 |
| keb | aw | 04:49 |
| keb | http://www.grumz.net/?q=taxonomy/term/2/9 | 04:50 |
| keb | you could try some of the tutorials and support resources there | 04:50 |
| Macskeeball | I tried enabling desktop compositing in Xubuntu 7.10 just to see if it would work and it didn't. I see my mouse cursor and the desktop. I could just reboot since I'm just using the live CD, but isn't there a key combo I could use to exit X, etc. to fix this? | 05:04 |
| Scabdates | i just installed xubuntu, and my only problem is my soundcard | 05:06 |
| Scabdates | i have a cmi8738 | 05:06 |
| Macskeeball | Never mind. I just decided to reboot. | 05:12 |
| keb | Scabdates that is a common sound chipset, isnt it supported? | 05:15 |
| LM22 | thanks keb | 05:15 |
| LM22 | im looking | 05:15 |
| LM22 | I gotta figure out how to make one password protected | 05:16 |
| keb | here are some details about tweaking cmi chipset support http://alsa.opensrc.org/Cmipci | 05:26 |
| tombar_ | anyone else having problem with adding network suport to thunar with fuse? | 06:51 |
| tombar_ | on gutsy? | 06:51 |
| tombar_ | im following the tutorial that use to work on festy and its not working :S | 06:52 |
| tombar_ | well thank you all, i guess its just really late for all of you guys | 06:55 |
| keb | irc is 24/7 | 06:55 |
| tombar_ | keb can u help me? | 06:56 |
| keb | not everyone has experience or expertise with every issue however ;) | 06:56 |
| tombar_ | by the way, hi keb! | 06:56 |
| keb | hi | 06:56 |
| scriptdevil | i am not getting the gdm on.. it just ends up in a grey screen with the mouse pointer... so i have to press ctrl alt f1 and log in in the CLi and type startx .. does anyone know why? | 07:42 |
| keb | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for details why | 07:43 |
| scriptdevil | hmmm... keb what do i look for in that? | 07:45 |
| keb | errors | 07:45 |
| scriptdevil | well.. doesnt seem to have errors | 07:46 |
| keb | ok then there is ~/.xsession-errors | 07:47 |
| keb | but there might not be anything in there if you never got to login | 07:47 |
| scriptdevil | yeah// i never got to.. never mind.. i dont dislike the CLI | 07:48 |
| scriptdevil | thanks anyway | 07:48 |
| === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache | ||
| scriptdevil | well.. keb .. i sorted that out | 08:07 |
| scriptdevil | there was this strange thing called wacom in my xorg.conf.. so i did an nvidia-xconfig and restarted.. it works fine now.. | 08:08 |
| hyper__ch | upgrading now but I guess it'll fail :) | 08:14 |
| scriptdevil | why? | 08:14 |
| hyper__ch | encrypted drives ;) | 08:14 |
| scriptdevil | :-| .. you working at nasa or something? | 08:14 |
| hyper__ch | why? | 08:15 |
| scriptdevil | why do you need encrypted drives? | 08:16 |
| scriptdevil | who is going to steal your info? | 08:16 |
| hyper__ch | no clue, that's why I encrypt it | 08:17 |
| scriptdevil | anyway.. for me dnt need privacy of data.. i care about safety :D .. my data is open source ;) | 08:20 |
| hyper__ch | privacy is a right you should not under estimate | 08:20 |
| hyper__ch | upgrading takes long... i probably should directly do a fresh install | 08:21 |
| scriptdevil | hyper__ch: do you have a separate /home? | 08:22 |
| hyper__ch | scriptdevil: sure I have | 08:22 |
| scriptdevil | :D then carry on | 08:22 |
| hyper__ch | i wanna check how it goes with the upgrade | 08:23 |
| scriptdevil | bye people .. brb after my lunch | 08:23 |
| hyper__ch | how it handles my luks/dm-crypt devices | 08:23 |
| zoredache | how are you mounting your luks devices? | 08:28 |
| zoredache | I have a luks home dir and it is fine... libpam_mount seems to be broke though | 08:28 |
| emc22 | hi | 08:41 |
| zoredache | hello? | 08:42 |
| nanonyme | hmm | 08:56 |
| nanonyme | should i count it a bad thing that gutsy fails to setup dma for hda in my ibook? | 08:56 |
| nanonyme | also booting took forever | 08:58 |
| nanonyme | including which NetworkManager is taking 100% cpu. i've had to kill it with signal 9 two times now | 09:00 |
| hyper__ch | !screencast | 09:03 |
| ubotu | Some programs to capture your screen are Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder. Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts. | 09:03 |
| nanonyme | and btw, return from suspend still didn't work in gutsy final :/ | 09:13 |
| nanonyme | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/99675 apparently the same bug as this | 09:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 99675 in gnome-power-manager "System incredibly slow after suspend, refuses to restart" [Undecided,New] | 09:15 |
| === damike is now known as mike84 | ||
| hyper__ch | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584631 | 09:33 |
| DaBeowulf | Hello, where is that hardlink/symlink mess with Feisty -> Gutsy updates documented a little, just got the recommended update to tzdata and didn't click the link in the update description.. | 10:25 |
| DaBeowulf | ah nm found it myself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/116193 lucky me I had the timezone set to Berlin anyway.. | 10:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 116193 in tzdata "error upgrading tzdata_2007e to tzdata_2007f" [Critical,Fix committed] | 10:45 |
| FTIII | hello | 10:56 |
| monkey_ | i just installed ubuntu, and did an apt-get xubuntu, but the fonts are so huge, i can't select xbuntu desktop. | 11:30 |
| monkey_ | also, xubuntu splash screen not avaiable | 11:31 |
| monkey_ | my login screen's font is huge | 12:06 |
| monkey_ | how to fix? | 12:06 |
| mig5 | my upgrade from xubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 crashed. how do i get it to upgrade properly? | 13:15 |
| jjjj | ... | 13:21 |
| reaVer | .... | 13:21 |
| jjjj | hi | 13:21 |
| mig5 | how do i fix it? | 13:21 |
| reaVer | hi | 13:21 |
| TheSheep | mig5: what's the error? | 13:21 |
| jjjj | do you like 7.10 then dapper | 13:22 |
| mig5 | my upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 messed up | 13:23 |
| jjjj | in my case using live 7.10 cd | 13:23 |
| jjjj | can't install 1 program on live mode | 13:24 |
| jjjj | and design issue ... | 13:24 |
| jjjj | when i use console mode(tty) | 13:25 |
| jjjj | chararcters size is bigger than dapper | 13:25 |
| TheSheep | mig5: I can't help you if you don't tell me some details. What is broken? What error you get and when? | 13:26 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, 2nd one said update manager got to close | 13:28 |
| keitherz | hello | 13:28 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, and then it closed and update stopped halfway through | 13:29 |
| keitherz | how can i display my windows xp in the boot list | 13:29 |
| keitherz | how can i add entry on GRUB | 13:29 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst, there is an example there | 13:29 |
| jjjj | edit menu.1st | 13:29 |
| keitherz | oh ok | 13:30 |
| keitherz | so when i installed linux it didn't automatically search for my xp | 13:30 |
| TheSheep | mig5: try switching to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1, logging in and typing 'sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade' | 13:31 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: this is strange | 13:31 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, ok | 13:31 |
| keitherz | it didn't detect my XP | 13:31 |
| keitherz | ok help | 13:37 |
| keitherz | wheres the sample | 13:38 |
| keitherz | ok another thing | 13:39 |
| keitherz | hello? | 13:39 |
| TheSheep | we are here | 13:39 |
| keitherz | ok wheres the 1024x768 resolution | 13:40 |
| keitherz | its not listed | 13:40 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: you only have lower ones listed? | 13:41 |
| keitherz | yah | 13:41 |
| keitherz | 800x600 and below | 13:41 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: seems like it detected your monitor wrong, try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and configuring it manually (just use defaults everywhere except for the monitor settings) | 13:42 |
| attunix | What libraries do I need installed to program in GTK?+ | 13:45 |
| TheSheep | attunix: what language do you program? | 13:45 |
| attunix | C | 13:46 |
| TheSheep | libgtk2.0-dev probably | 13:46 |
| MichaelTheNewbie | hi - my xubuntu system is running well now, thanks to help from people in this channel. :) My next issue is wireless. It only shows options for WEP.. is WPA not available? | 13:47 |
| attunix | TheSheep: I already have that. | 13:47 |
| TheSheep | attunix: and if you use glade, then also libglade2-dev | 13:47 |
| TheSheep | MichaelTheNewbie: I'm not sure, but you might want to check the documentation | 13:47 |
| TheSheep | !wifi | MichaelTheNewbie | 13:47 |
| ubotu | MichaelTheNewbie: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 13:47 |
| MichaelTheNewbie | TheSheep: Thanks I will read up. | 13:48 |
| keitherz | how can i continue here | 13:48 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: what do you mean? | 13:49 |
| keitherz | i cant select OK | 13:49 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: press 'tab' to switch between controls | 13:49 |
| attunix | I keep getting an error that <gtk/gtk.h> header file doesn't exist. | 13:49 |
| keitherz | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 13:49 |
| keitherz | oh thanks | 13:50 |
| TheSheep | attunix: hmm.. that would be libgtk1.2-dev | 13:50 |
| TheSheep | attunix: I think | 13:51 |
| keitherz | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? | 13:51 |
| keitherz | what should i answer | 13:51 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: "no" | 13:51 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: just use teh defaults | 13:51 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: that is, hit 'enter' :) | 13:51 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, i did that, it installed these 3 packages, 2 were a kernel and other was nvidia drivers. restarted into this new kernel and internet doesnt work, so went back on old one | 13:52 |
| keitherz | whats the mous port | 13:52 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: hit enter | 13:52 |
| === thijsdl is now known as hfsdo | ||
| TheSheep | keitherz: you want /dev/mice | 13:52 |
| keitherz | dev/input/mice | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ /dev/ttyS0 │ | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | mig5: what network card do you use? | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ /dev/tts0 │ | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ /dev/gpmdata │ | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ │ | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ │ | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ <Ok> │ | 13:53 |
| keitherz | │ | 13:53 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, asus usb wireless | 13:53 |
| keitherz | even if my mouse is in USB | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | !patebin | keitherz | 13:53 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | !pastebin | keitherz | 13:53 |
| ubotu | keitherz: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 13:53 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: yes, /dev/mice is a kind of sink for all the mice | 13:54 |
| keitherz | ok tnx im searching for the ubuntu pastebin | 13:54 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: no, just remember to use it next time you want to paste more than, say, 3 lines | 13:55 |
| keitherz | the 1024x768 is still not listed | 13:56 |
| TheSheep | mig5: try intalleing the 'restricted modules' for that new kernel | 13:56 |
| keitherz | cant i configure it manually | 13:56 |
| TheSheep | keitherz: what graphics card do you use? (the first option in taht config) | 13:56 |
| keitherz | nvidia | 13:57 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, but asus didnt use restricted modules, that is the nvidia | 13:57 |
| TheSheep | mig5: ah, then I don't know | 13:58 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, if i keep using this kernel, the feisty one, will it mess stuff up? | 13:58 |
| TheSheep | mig5: I guess you might try searching the forums and the bugs database | 13:59 |
| TheSheep | mig5: no, it shouldn't | 13:59 |
| mig5 | TheSheep, ok, ill stick with this then for now | 13:59 |
| TheSheep | mig5: unless there is some horrible bug that would destroy your system anyways ;) | 13:59 |
| attunix | TheSheep: either way it doesn't work | 14:00 |
| RandyboY | Ive innstalled the new xubuntu from the live cd... And im having problems in the startup. Its not going further than the "Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd" | 14:00 |
| TheSheep | attunix: maybe try just searching synaptics for gtk.h ? | 14:01 |
| attunix | TheSheep: ok. I'll try that | 14:01 |
| attunix | $ dpkg -S gtk.h | 14:02 |
| attunix | libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h | 14:02 |
| attunix | libgtk1.2-dev: /usr/include/gtk-1.2/gtk/gtk.h | 14:02 |
| attunix | I already have those installed :( | 14:02 |
| RandyboY | Is there any way to go around that service without doing it when xubuntu is started up? | 14:02 |
| TheSheep | RandyboY: you can disable it in system->services | 14:05 |
| TheSheep | RandyboY: try to start in the 'rescue mode' | 14:05 |
| === Igorots is now known as Knightlust | ||
| mikubuntu | when i upgraded to xub 7.10 miro was deleted; i've installed it from synaptic again, and selectd it from the installer, but it still doesn't appear on any of my menus ... anybody know where it might be hiding? | 14:46 |
| keitherz | miro? | 14:48 |
| keitherz | whats that | 14:48 |
| vinze | The new name of Democracy TV, right? | 14:48 |
| mikubuntu | when i upgraded to xub 7.10 miro was deleted; i've installed it from synaptic again, and selectd it from the installer, but it still doesn't appear on any of my menus ... anybody know where it might be hiding? | 15:47 |
| vinze | mikubuntu, can you type "miro" in a terminal? | 15:49 |
| mikubuntu | vinze, ya hold on | 15:50 |
| mikubuntu | vinze, hmmmm, got a pop up that says i need to download a newer version of miro | 15:52 |
| vinze | Odd... | 15:52 |
| vinze | mikubuntu, does the file /usr/share/applications/miro.desktop exist? | 15:53 |
| vinze | i.e. can you do "mousepad /usr/share/applications/miro.desktop" in a terminal? | 15:53 |
| mikubuntu | lemme try | 15:54 |
| mosipov | hi folks | 16:01 |
| mosipov | someone here who could help me w/ dual mon setup? | 16:01 |
| d1n0 | mosipov: what videocard? | 16:01 |
| mosipov | radeon 9100 | 16:01 |
| mosipov | with xubuntu 7.10 | 16:02 |
| d1n0 | it should be easy in 7.10 | 16:02 |
| mosipov | I know | 16:02 |
| mosipov | the issue is, the new displayconfig-gtk shows only 1 screen | 16:02 |
| mosipov | xfce shows 2 screens for desktop setup | 16:03 |
| mosipov | the xorg conf shows only screen 0 with my tft | 16:03 |
| d1n0 | it shows 2 screens here, but i only got 1 screen and 1 tv | 16:03 |
| mosipov | and xrandr shows screen 0 with VGA0 and DVI0 | 16:03 |
| mosipov | now I don't know how to get it work with 2 montiors | 16:04 |
| mosipov | side by side just like in windows | 16:04 |
| mosipov | d1n0: no hints? | 16:07 |
| mosipov | I think, I have to edit the xorg.conf? | 16:08 |
| d1n0 | you can use aticonfig to configure i think | 16:08 |
| mosipov | I tried to install | 16:08 |
| mosipov | apt-get doesnt know it | 16:08 |
| mosipov | holf on | 16:09 |
| mosipov | hold on | 16:09 |
| mosipov | found it | 16:09 |
| mosipov | installitng fglrx | 16:10 |
| mikubuntu | vinze, sorry so long: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41532/ | 16:13 |
| mikubuntu | ooops, guess vinze has left the building | 16:14 |
| mikubuntu | anybody willing to look at my pastebin and tell me why i can't find miro on my menus? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41532/ | 16:15 |
| mosipov | d1n0: I tried aticonfig | 16:21 |
| mosipov | it terminated with a core dump | 16:21 |
| mosipov | sorr,y, got kicked | 16:33 |
| mosipov | so anyone ideas | 16:33 |
| blendtux | how do i completely remove xubuntu from my system or any other ubuntu version | 17:00 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: delete the partitions and restore mbr | 17:04 |
| blendtux | ano lol, that was not what i meant, i have two systems one is my desktop and the other my laptop both running kubuntu, but i installed on both xubuntu-desktop but i want to remove on my desktop xubuntu-desktop and stick only with kubuntu-desktop | 17:06 |
| blendtux | but when i do apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop it will not remove all the packages it installed for xubuntu-desktop | 17:07 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: do an 'autoremove' after that | 17:07 |
| blendtux | it only wants to autoremove 1 package | 17:08 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: it will remove any packages that are no logner needed | 17:08 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: what do you want to remove, by the way? | 17:08 |
| blendtux | it downloaded something like 260 mb of packages, and the installation of xubuntu costs something like 800 mb, and now when i want to remove it it says this: | 17:10 |
| blendtux | root@blendtux-laptop:/var/cache/apt/archives# apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Reading package lists... Done | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Building dependency tree | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Reading state information... Done | 17:10 |
| blendtux | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: | 17:10 |
| TheSheep | !pastebin | blendtux | 17:10 |
| ubotu | blendtux: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 17:10 |
| blendtux | portmap | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. | 17:10 |
| blendtux | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 17:10 |
| blendtux | xubuntu-desktop | 17:10 |
| blendtux | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Need to get 0B of archives. | 17:10 |
| blendtux | After unpacking 41.0kB disk space will be freed. | 17:10 |
| blendtux | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? | 17:10 |
| blendtux | oh sorry TheSheep | 17:10 |
| blendtux | i will use that link in the future | 17:11 |
| blendtux | but anyway, it now only wants to remove 41 kb/s | 17:11 |
| blendtux | alll the other apps it installed wont be removed | 17:11 |
| TheSheep | maybe you should just remove the pps you don't need? | 17:11 |
| TheSheep | apps | 17:11 |
| blendtux | are you telling me,. that i have to remove everything the xubuntu-desktop metapkackge installed by hand ? | 17:12 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: just removing xubuntu-desktop should work, the rest would b autoremoved, unless you installed it manually | 17:13 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: if not, file a bug | 17:13 |
| blendtux | no i did not, install somethbing by hand | 17:13 |
| blendtux | look at it what i pasted | 17:14 |
| soulfreshner | is there some way to tweak my laptop so it doesn't swap as much | 17:14 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: then there is something wrong with apt not recording which packages were installed manually | 17:14 |
| soulfreshner | it seems to constantly be reading from the disk | 17:14 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: you could put more memory into it | 17:15 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: or just look at which applications take the most memory | 17:15 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: and find lighter alternatives | 17:15 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: you can also disable some services taht start by default but you don't use them | 17:16 |
| soulfreshner | TheSheep, it's an old laptop with 256MB ram / p3 1000 - so not quite over the hill and running xubuntu's default stuff | 17:16 |
| blendtux | no i dont think so TheSheep, i think there is nothing wrong with app, i think the problem is with the meta package, its a oneway trip | 17:16 |
| soulfreshner | how do I turn the swap off? | 17:16 |
| blendtux | you can install but you cant remove all the packages the metapackage installed | 17:17 |
| blendtux | in an automated fashion | 17:17 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: sudo swapoff -a | 17:17 |
| soulfreshner | blendtux, you should be able to use apt-get autoremove... | 17:17 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: either way, file a bug please | 17:18 |
| blendtux | how does autoremove know's that i dont want or need abiword, wich is insatlled by the metapackage xubuntu-desktop or that i dont need all the gnome libs it installed | 17:18 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: because it should work | 17:18 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: it remembers what was instaleld manually and what was pulled in as a dependency | 17:19 |
| soulfreshner | ta - TheSheep - I'm going to run like this for a while and see if it helps at all... chances are it may even be slower, since the swap is cached... | 17:19 |
| blendtux | oke, and does it matter that i installed it with the command aptitude install xubuntu-desktop | 17:20 |
| TheSheep | soulfreshner: no, in the worst case it will just start killing aps randomly when you run out of memory | 17:20 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: either use apt-get or aptitude | 17:20 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: yes | 17:20 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: I would recommend aptitude as it works better | 17:20 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: aptitude doesn't have this function | 17:20 |
| soulfreshner | blendtux, yeah - it will only keep the dependancies of the stuff you manually installed | 17:20 |
| h3sp4wn | TheSheep: aptitude always had that function | 17:21 |
| h3sp4wn | TheSheep: apt-get copied it from there | 17:21 |
| TheSheep | h3sp4wn: but the database is separate from apt's | 17:21 |
| TheSheep | h3sp4wn: so apt-get autoremove will not work if soemhting was installed with aptitude | 17:21 |
| h3sp4wn | TheSheep: yeah but you wouldn't use apt-get autoremove if you were using aptitude | 17:21 |
| blendtux | but how can i remove all those other packages | 17:22 |
| TheSheep | h3sp4wn: unless you are especially fond of complaining that something is a one way trip | 17:22 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: simple way to start off is with an aptitude regexp and markauto all libraries | 17:22 |
| TheSheep | blendtux: I'm sorry, I need to calm down :( | 17:23 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: i.e something like - aptitude markauto \~slibs | 17:24 |
| attunix | ! #ubuntu-general | 17:24 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-general - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 17:24 |
| blendtux | ehm. btw i know exactly what was installed cause i had an empty /var/cache/apt/archive directroy so every deb file in there where for the xubuntu-desktop | 17:24 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: You could use dselect then easy as any to use for this | 17:25 |
| blendtux | never used dselect | 17:26 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: or work out how to get it into dpkg --set-selections from the list | 17:29 |
| h3sp4wn | but dselect would be just straight away with the remove option | 17:29 |
| blendtux | yeah, oke thanks everybody i work it out | 17:30 |
| blendtux | let me first make me a back up | 17:30 |
| blendtux | since i could be breaking my system if i made a mistake | 17:31 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: if you look at /var/log/aptitude | 17:33 |
| h3sp4wn | blendtux: Then if it was all done at once you can take the list from there | 17:34 |
| blendtux | oke, thanks :) | 17:36 |
| h3sp4wn | There is a way using - echo packagename remove | dpkg --set-selections - and dselect-upgrade | 17:37 |
| brick__ | why is xubuntu only shows that i have 2.96gb ram installed, when i have 4gb installed.? | 17:51 |
| vonck7 | brick_ : probably related to this http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 | 18:01 |
| h3sp4wn | brick__: use the server kernel or you can build yourself one with pae or a 64 bit kernel (use it with the existing userland) | 18:05 |
| h3sp4wn | 64 bit kernel is a little bit of messing around sometimes but works fine | 18:06 |
| brick__ | h3sp4wn, now your talking over my head:P hehe | 18:06 |
| brick__ | is it possible to enable highmem in my present kernel without have to mess around? | 18:06 |
| h3sp4wn | no its a compile time option | 18:07 |
| brick__ | yeah.. got that now.. but if i recompile my kernel now, would i have to recompile my nvidia driver etc as well ? | 18:07 |
| brick__ | or will it "just work":? | 18:07 |
| h3sp4wn | Kind of annoying ubuntu doesn't have a -amd64 kernel in the repos | 18:07 |
| h3sp4wn | (for i386) | 18:08 |
| brick__ | they dont? | 18:08 |
| brick__ | ahh | 18:08 |
| brick__ | ok. | 18:08 |
| brick__ | well i was thinking about installing amd64 arch. but all the problems with flashplugins etc.. and java. so i just dropped it.. | 18:08 |
| h3sp4wn | That is why until very recently I used a 64 bit kernel | 18:09 |
| h3sp4wn | with debian sid 32 bit | 18:09 |
| h3sp4wn | little bit off messing around (i.e you need the nvidia-kernel-source from the 64 bit distro) | 18:09 |
| h3sp4wn | but ubuntu doesn't seem to provide even the linux64 wrapper script | 18:10 |
| h3sp4wn | (although it does provide the amd64 libc) | 18:10 |
| h3sp4wn | You could try using make-pkg --arch=amd64 --crosscompile=- (using binutils-multiarch and gcc-multilib) | 18:11 |
| h3sp4wn | Never tried that without already being running a 64 bit kernel though (and my gutsy system is a pentium m) | 18:12 |
| brick__ | h3sp4wn, ok. well its sunday evening and am a bit hangover,, so wont start on that today,, but ill drop by later and ask you for some help:P | 18:12 |
| brick__ | now im off to have another beer:P | 18:12 |
| brick__ | but one thing first,, i got this logitech cordless elite bluetooth keyboard, but lost the adapter that comes with it. but i have another bluetooth v2 usb dongle. can i make them work together somehow and what must i install to make that bluetooth adapter work with the keyboard? | 18:21 |
| redshadowhero | Hello. | 18:26 |
| hums | Hi all, just install xubuntu. A bit help please. How do I set speaker and mic? I dont find any menu entries (yet) | 18:52 |
| TheSheep | hums: they should work | 18:53 |
| hums | yep, just want to adjust them | 18:54 |
| hums | I dont find icon or menu | 18:54 |
| brick__ | menu - settings - mixer settings | 18:55 |
| TheSheep | hums: if there is no icon on your panel, then right click somewhere on the panel, select 'add new item' and find 'volume control' on the list | 18:55 |
| brick__ | there you should be able to fix it | 18:55 |
| hums | TheSheep: thanks a lot, got it :) | 18:57 |
| hums | brick: i found that menu but it doesnot allow me to adjust anything | 18:58 |
| hums | problem solved tho | 18:58 |
| hums | thanks again, bye | 18:58 |
| stinkyfoot | is there anyway to upgrade from xubuntu to ubuntu 7.10 directly? | 19:12 |
| hollunder | hi, can someone tell me how I can edit the menu? | 19:23 |
| TheSheep | settings->menu editor | 19:25 |
| hollunder | well, the problem there is the line --- include --- system ... | 19:26 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: yes, that one gathers all your installed applications automatically | 19:27 |
| hollunder | which probably means that they are managed by the system and I can't access any of those entries | 19:27 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: but you can remove it | 19:27 |
| hollunder | and then nothing gets managed? | 19:27 |
| TheSheep | then you have full control over teh menu contents | 19:28 |
| TheSheep | either automatic or manual, how would you do it otherwise? | 19:28 |
| hollunder | mixed ;) | 19:29 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: well, you can add your own entries | 19:29 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: and if they have the same name as the existing one, they will 'cover it | 19:29 |
| hollunder | but not to the automatically managed menus | 19:29 |
| hollunder | ah | 19:30 |
| hollunder | that could work | 19:30 |
| TheSheep | you just have to put your entries *before* the include | 19:30 |
| hollunder | at least if I understand that correctly... they get merged if the name is the same? | 19:30 |
| TheSheep | yes | 19:30 |
| TheSheep | name and position in the submenus | 19:30 |
| hollunder | will try that, thanks | 19:31 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: alternatively, you can copy the relevant files form /usr/share/applications/ to ~/local/share/applications and edit them | 19:31 |
| hollunder | thanks, it worked | 19:37 |
| manopulus | hi. installed xubuntu 7.10 and totem does not play mp3 and almost all videos. what i have to install to play? | 19:37 |
| hollunder | in case I delete the system entry and install a new program it would not get added automatically, correct? | 19:38 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: yes | 19:40 |
| TheSheep | !mp3 | manopulus | 19:40 |
| ubotu | manopulus: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats | 19:40 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: the menu is assembled from teh files in /usr/share/applications/ | 19:40 |
| hollunder | thanks | 19:40 |
| hollunder | wonder why it didn't include konqueror automatically | 19:41 |
| TheSheep | hollunder: konquereor has "onlyshowin: kde" entry | 19:42 |
| hollunder | where is that entry supposed to be? | 19:43 |
| TheSheep | /usr/share/applications/ | 19:43 |
| hollunder | I don't see that line in the konqueror desktop files | 19:44 |
| hollunder | but it is located at /usr/share/applications/kde | 19:45 |
| hollunder | maybe that's why it doesn't show up? | 19:45 |
| TheSheep | maybe | 19:46 |
| hyper_ch | <-- is now also using Gutsy | 19:46 |
| TheSheep | hyper_ch: using not utilizing? I thought you're a lawyer? | 19:48 |
| hyper_ch | TheSheep: I am ;) | 19:48 |
| hollunder | copying to /usr/share/applications/ didn't help :/ | 19:52 |
| hollunder | any idea how I can disable the system beep in xfce? | 20:07 |
| nikolam | in what occasion it is beeping? | 20:07 |
| hollunder | for example when I keep pressing backspace in xchat and the cursor can't go further back | 20:09 |
| nikolam | hmm I use xchat-gnome | 20:09 |
| nikolam | And for some reason it is not beeping hmm | 20:10 |
| hollunder | I use the normal one | 20:10 |
| hollunder | I'll try to find another case | 20:10 |
| vonck7 | do you have a sound card installed? if not-> perhaps that's why it's beeping. | 20:10 |
| hollunder | I have a soundcard installed, but it can't be accessed by anything right now because jack is running | 20:11 |
| nikolam | jack? | 20:11 |
| hollunder | but thats not the problem | 20:12 |
| hollunder | it's the same without jack | 20:12 |
| nikolam | I that beep sound on login could be changed with something more pleasent. and sound of silnce also | 20:12 |
| nikolam | What is jack? | 20:13 |
| hollunder | jack audio connection kit | 20:13 |
| hollunder | the beep I mean is the system bell, and it's annoying.. | 20:13 |
| vonck7 | yea, really annoying ; i know the problem from windows, never had it in lunix though. | 20:16 |
| vonck7 | *linux | 20:17 |
| hollunder | ok, I put rmmod pcspkr into rclocal | 20:19 |
| KlrSpz | so no probs upgrading 7.04 to 7.10? | 20:28 |
| nikolam | mmm.. open office does not work on 64-bit using fglrx Ati driver.. | 20:34 |
| nikolam | .. no problems beside that :P | 20:34 |
| h3sp4wn | KlrSpz: Lots of people have had problems | 20:38 |
| h3sp4wn | KlrSpz: If you perform the upgrade with aptitude dist-upgrade though should be fine | 20:38 |
| abcde_ | I have a computer setup as a NAS now with FreeNAS. I was looking to put Xubuntu on it, since it's lightweight, and I can do torrents on it. I have two questions, can Xubuntu read/write UFS filesystems? and can I set it up to share via samba without passwords? | 20:40 |
| hyper_ch | abcde_: you're going to use rtorrent? UFS - hmmm, no idea.... samba can be setup without passwords | 20:41 |
| abcde_ | hyper_ch, I was thinking azureus, not sure if rtorrent would have what I need | 20:42 |
| hyper_ch | abcde_: if you want lightweight, you don't want azureus | 20:42 |
| hyper_ch | abcde_: rtorrent is ncurses based and runs in a shell... so if you run it within a "screen" session you can control it from everywhere you have ssh access to the box | 20:43 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: which type of ufs ?(1/2? {free,net,open}bsd or solaris) etc | 20:43 |
| abcde_ | I didn't mean lightweight torrent, I meant desktop, I need RSS downloading and parsing into folders, and IP Range blocker | 20:43 |
| hyper_ch | abcde_: ah... hmmm... well, there's a rss fetcher but I haven't tried it | 20:44 |
| abcde_ | h3sp4wn, I have FreeNAS on it now, so I'd assume FreeBSD | 20:44 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: do you just need to read it or to write to it also ? | 20:45 |
| abcde_ | h3sp4wn, I need R/RW, since I still have free space on it | 20:45 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: I think there is experimental support from 2.6.22+ (might be 2.6.23) but its very likely to be buggy | 20:46 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: Only thing that will definately read it is freebsd sounds like | 20:46 |
| KlrSpz | i run xubuntu and deluge-torrent | 20:46 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: Or you could use vmware and a copy of bsd on another box to get the data | 20:47 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I have Deluge on this machine, I don't like it, it doesn't sort | 20:47 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: and then just install xbuntu from scratch | 20:47 |
| KlrSpz | abcde_: sort in what way? sorts fine for me | 20:47 |
| abcde_ | h3sp4wn, I have access to it now, it is fine, but I don't have enough space to back it up | 20:47 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I want each RSS feed sorted to a different folder | 20:48 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: but if you want to read it from xubuntu its not fine | 20:48 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: no sorry write to it from xubuntu | 20:48 |
| KlrSpz | abcde_: yeah does that fine for me | 20:49 |
| KlrSpz | guess you need a better plugin | 20:49 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I don't want deluge, I don't like it. I will stick to azureus. | 20:49 |
| abcde_ | h3sp4wn, from the sounds of it, I might be better with FreeBSD then, so I can read/write it. | 20:50 |
| h3sp4wn | abcde_: or pc-bsd or one of the desktop oriented ones if you want it to be simple (but freebsd is not hard to run - just read the handbook) | 20:51 |
| vonck7 | abcde_: what's wrong with deluge? | 20:51 |
| hyper_ch | abcde_: how about transmission? | 20:51 |
| abcde_ | h3sp4wn, I have PC-BSD on another machine, I'll try that, thanks. | 20:51 |
| * vonck7 wrote the deluge WebUi , so stop complaining and use deluge | 20:52 | |
| abcde_ | vonck7, nothing is wrong with it for other people, doesn't do some of the things I want, read my above messages to see why. | 20:52 |
| KlrSpz | abcde_: that's because you're ignorant.. everything you've requested deluge does effortlessly | 20:52 |
| abcde_ | vonck7, I want auto-sorting of RSS feeds, and I don't like the way the RSS works. | 20:53 |
| KlrSpz | abcde_: RSS is not part of deluge, it's a plugin.. there are many rss plugins to try from | 20:53 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I have deluge here now, I don't like the way things work. Isn't this why there are so many linux distros? Based on taste, I don't feel like I should have to defend my tastes. | 20:53 |
| abcde_ | I don't mean it offensively or anything, I am just saying I don't like it. | 20:54 |
| abcde_ | I don't like being called ignorant for not liking something. | 20:54 |
| KlrSpz | you're not even paying attention.... EVERYTHING you've asked for, deluge does precisely to the level of taste you were requesting.... you gave up before you even messed with anything properly | 20:54 |
| KlrSpz | but if you want to waste your system's resources with java, go right ahead | 20:55 |
| KlrSpz | i'm not campaigning for deluge intentionally, i'm just more pointing out your non-willingness to actually explore a project peropely | 20:55 |
| hyper_ch | vonck7: write a nice WebUI for rtorrent ;) | 20:56 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, No, it doesn't. I don't like the look. I don't want to play with something to get it working unless I have to. I know azureus, I like azureus, I shouldn't have to change to something just because you say I should. | 20:56 |
| KlrSpz | and that's what ignorance begets | 20:56 |
| * hyper_ch likes cli appz ;) | 20:56 | |
| vonck7 | hyper_ch , write a xmlrpc plugin with the same interface as deluge. | 20:57 |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I'm of the "If it ain't broke" philosophy, azureus doesn't take enough of my resources for me to notice. I don't feel the need to change. That isn't ignorance, that is using what you know. | 20:57 |
| hyper_ch | vonck7: ;) | 20:57 |
| vonck7 | hyper_ch ;) | 20:57 |
| hyper_ch | vonck7: webui is not really needed ;) | 20:57 |
| KlrSpz | you're the only person i've ever heard of saying it doesn't use resources... anyway, that's fine... you can use azureus.. and it's not broken, it just comes with really simple plugins for people with simple minds... apparently still too difficult for some | 20:58 |
| KlrSpz | there are more advanced plugins to allow scalability | 20:58 |
| * hyper_ch used azureus as first torrent client on windoze and it just made my system crawling | 20:58 | |
| abcde_ | vonck7, I don't mean this anything offensive to you, I appreciate anyone who does work on open source/free software. Open source is about choice. | 20:58 |
| vinze | ...among others :P | 20:58 |
| KlrSpz | that's my point | 20:58 |
| KlrSpz | you're choosing not to choose | 20:58 |
| KlrSpz | only because you are unaware of features | 20:59 |
| vonck7 | abcde_ : my 1st comment was tounge in cheek, not offended | 20:59 |
| * vonck7 liked utorrent, but that was a long while ago | 20:59 | |
| abcde_ | KlrSpz, I will let you think you have the high ground, and let you get away with your "simple minds" crack. I am choosing, I tried deluge, that is why it is running now. You are unwilling to read what I said, so I won't repeat it. | 21:00 |
| KlrSpz | vonck7: utorrent is great | 21:00 |
| KlrSpz | iut actually runs great under wine as well | 21:00 |
| vinze | ...but closed source :( | 21:00 |
| KlrSpz | but didn't have a plugin feature, and is not oos | 21:00 |
| KlrSpz | oss | 21:00 |
| hyper_ch | !screencast | 21:04 |
| ubotu | Some programs to capture your screen are Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder. Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts. | 21:04 |
| * vinze likes recordmydesktop | 21:05 | |
| attunix | What libraries are needed to develop in QT? | 21:10 |
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| russell__ | how do you change the default runlevel with upstart (xubuntu 7.10)? | 22:26 |
| MatBoy | the upgrade is not available using the update-manager on Feisty ? | 22:35 |
| MatBoy | weird, only with the -c -d options | 22:39 |
| juaroj | bisiten estapagina http://juaroj.obolog.com | 22:40 |
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| rokia | hello? | 22:57 |
| rokia | anyone in here? | 22:57 |
| wbadger | :X | 23:12 |
| vonck7 | hi | 23:14 |
| redshadowhero | are there any scanner utilities for xubuntu? | 23:14 |
| TheSheep | redshadowhero: xsane and sane-utils | 23:17 |
| redshadowhero | Okay, I'll check them out; thanks. | 23:17 |
| thomas__ | does anyone know how to add the "m-dash" in abiword? | 23:22 |
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