| DaSkreech | Froze again | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| DaSkreech | What did I miss? | 00:10 |
| Riddell | Day changed to 22 Oct 2007 | 00:11 |
| mhb | Riddell: thanks, mister announcer :o) | 00:13 |
| DaSkreech | So weekly builds are planned? :) | 00:13 |
| n8k99 | hey! | 00:14 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: only if someone goes ahead and does it | 00:16 |
| nixternal | Riddell: the link to the logs is broke on your blog | 00:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: thanks, fixed | 00:21 |
| DaSkreech | Oh got the logs? | 00:21 |
| Riddell | yes, thanks DaSkreech | 00:22 |
| DaSkreech | ok it froze right after I sent it :) | 00:22 |
| DaSkreech | froze again :) | 00:52 |
| DaSkreech | Not the same freeze though | 00:52 |
| DaSkreech | hi Jucato | 01:17 |
| Jucato | hi | 01:17 |
| DaSkreech | how are you? | 01:18 |
| Jucato | just woke up... so really can't say... :) | 01:18 |
| mhb | oh my, Jucato just woke up, better go to bed pronto | 01:23 |
| Jucato | hi mhb | 01:23 |
| mhb | hi Jucato | 01:24 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:24 |
| mhb | I really shouldn't be here | 01:24 |
| Jucato | hm.. ok... | 01:24 |
| mhb | goodnight and this time for real | 01:25 |
| Jucato | good night! :) | 01:25 |
| jjesse | morning Jucato | 02:42 |
| Jucato | evening jjesse! | 02:44 |
| nixternal | jjesse: Hardy is all yours for documentation :) | 02:46 |
| * Jucato waves to nixternal :) | 02:46 | |
| nosrednaekim | heh. | 02:46 |
| * Jucato waves to Jucato | 02:46 | |
| jjesse | nixternal: yeah way? | 02:46 |
| jjesse | nixternal: you leaving? | 02:46 |
| Jucato | noooo! | 02:47 |
| Jucato | :( | 02:47 |
| * n8k99 waves | 02:47 | |
| jjesse | did i miss something? | 02:47 |
| nixternal | heck no I am not leaving | 02:47 |
| nixternal | Riddell owes me a beer :) | 02:48 |
| jjesse | ah was just going to say.... you better not leave | 02:48 |
| nixternal | man, I am way to involved to ever leave....plus I don't ever see myself falling out of love with Linux...nor this community either | 02:49 |
| nixternal | especially KDE :) | 02:49 |
| jjesse | i was going to say | 02:49 |
| nixternal | I told the Gnome Users Group today that I would rather use Windows ME than Gnome...they didn't like that | 02:49 |
| jjesse | anyways i get to another book this go around, version 3 of the official ubuntu book :) | 02:49 |
| * nixternal still thinks we need out own book and not 1 little chapter | 02:50 | |
| nixternal | s/out/our | 02:50 |
| nixternal | I have contemplated writing one, GFDL, and letting the world have it for free | 02:50 |
| nixternal | maybe if I can find a little time, I will do so one day | 02:50 |
| Jucato | nixternal: unfortunately, our own book would probably be repeating half of the ubuntu book... | 02:50 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i've made each chapter longer and longer :) | 02:51 |
| nixternal | well, I can honestly say, I don't like the "Official" Ubuntu book for 2 reasons, 1) nothing in it for me or anybody else who doesn't use Gnome, and 2) Kubuntu only has one chapter | 02:51 |
| jjesse | but at least it is more current then any of the other ubuntu books | 02:51 |
| jjesse | they are all edgy or dapper | 02:51 |
| jjesse | most dapper | 02:51 |
| nixternal | I think the "ubuntu hacks" book keeps getting updated as well...it seems to be a pretty popular book here locally | 02:52 |
| jjesse | be right back putting wife to bed | 02:52 |
| nixternal | man, the jokes I had for that one | 02:52 |
| jjesse | :) | 02:52 |
| jjesse | is tonigth the night to change the clocks? | 02:52 |
| Jucato | when were those 2 books first released btw? | 02:52 |
| nixternal | ubuntu hacks was the first I believe | 02:53 |
| Jucato | last year? | 02:53 |
| nixternal | and then the Ubuntu Bible | 02:53 |
| jjesse | ubuntu hacks came out first | 02:53 |
| jjesse | afk | 02:53 |
| Jucato | thanks... | 02:53 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:53 |
| * Jucato estimates how long it took for the books to arrive here... | 02:53 | |
| Jucato | in local book stores... about a year :) | 02:53 |
| nixternal | Jucato: what do you think, you think Kubuntu needs their own book? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | I think we should do an online version, and maybe setup a Lulu release so people can purchase a print of it if they want | 02:54 |
| Jucato | <Jucato> nixternal: unfortunately, our own book would probably be repeating half of the ubuntu book... | 02:54 |
| nixternal | you think so? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | oh, I thought jjesse said that | 02:55 |
| nixternal | damn J's in names | 02:55 |
| nixternal | :) | 02:55 |
| Jucato | I mean for the half that doesn't rely so much on KDE-specific info | 02:55 |
| nixternal | there is only 1 chapter with KDE-specific info though | 02:56 |
| Jucato | we need a whole section there then :) | 02:56 |
| Jucato | or a group of chapters | 02:56 |
| nixternal | Evolution, Gaim, Pidgin, Nautilus, and the rest of the stuff, is way different than the KDE counterparts | 02:56 |
| nixternal | err, Gaim and Pidgin are the same now :) | 02:56 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 02:56 |
| nixternal | dunno if I did that accidentally of if I wanted to add a / instead of a , in between them | 02:57 |
| Jucato | maybe both :) | 02:57 |
| Jucato | how was the party btw? | 02:57 |
| nixternal | the reason I think we should have our own book..is because people are complaining that the "User's Guide" is gone | 02:57 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: I don't like that. I thought ME was labled a hazard to babies by the UN? | 02:57 |
| nixternal | so was Gnome | 02:58 |
| nixternal | the party was busy | 02:58 |
| nixternal | I got online to talk to raphink for like 2 minutes | 02:58 |
| jjesse | back | 02:58 |
| nixternal | front | 02:58 |
| jjesse | wow can't believe the indianss are loosing | 02:59 |
| Jucato | side | 02:59 |
| jjesse | left | 02:59 |
| Jucato | that's a side too though... | 03:00 |
| Jucato | although I should have said right | 03:00 |
| jjesse | hrmm i think i'm heading off to city of heros for a bit | 03:00 |
| * Jucato ncurses US-made MMORPG's that never hit this country... | 03:01 | |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | obtain it | 03:01 |
| n8k99 | Jucato you should try http://www.tribalwars.net/1176610.html with the rest of teh ubuntu gang | 03:02 |
| n8k99 | on world 9 | 03:02 |
| Jucato | big question is how? :) | 03:02 |
| Jucato | oh yeah saw that one. gonna look into it | 03:02 |
| n8k99 | in a browser | 03:02 |
| Jucato | the "how" was for Hobbsee's suggest :) | 03:02 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: No Gaim is very different from pigin | 03:03 |
| DaSkreech | Pidgin | 03:03 |
| n8k99 | oh | 03:03 |
| Jucato | although Guild Wars was sold here.. weird... | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: the usual ways of obtaining things... | 03:03 |
| * n8k99 whimpers a bit | 03:03 | |
| Jucato | ./me is unusual | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | i'm thinking pidgin's actually better than gaim, incidently | 03:03 |
| Jucato | hm.. I just tried to execute me | 03:03 |
| Jucato | !openweek | 03:03 |
| ubotu | openweek is Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for schedules, logs, and instructions. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: TPB, mininova.... | 03:03 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: lol! | 03:04 |
| Jucato | *that* way :) | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | uh, yse :) | 03:04 |
| Jucato | but you have to pay (once) to "legally" play it heheh | 03:04 |
| Jucato | oh well | 03:04 |
| coreymon77 | ??? | 03:04 |
| coreymon77 | what did i miss | 03:04 |
| * Jucato looks for the Hip Hop Abs. | 03:04 | |
| coreymon77 | what are we talking about | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ah, darn. | 03:04 |
| Jucato | anything under the sun or moon | 03:04 |
| * nosrednaekim registers his first branch! | 03:04 | |
| n8k99 | chmod +x Jucato | 03:05 |
| Jucato | ./me | 03:05 |
| Jucato | still doesn't work :) | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm of teh opinion that if they arent shipping it in my country, or they're shipping it at an unreasonable price compared to the rest of the world, the legalities matter less :) | 03:05 |
| nixternal | rm -rf ./me | 03:05 |
| nixternal | err | 03:05 |
| Jucato | hahah | 03:05 |
| nixternal | s/\.\/// | 03:05 |
| nixternal | muhahaha | 03:05 |
| nixternal | he rm -rf'd himself | 03:06 |
| n8k99 | Hobbsee and her Hobbsean view of economics! | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: yeah, well. | 03:06 |
| Jucato | thank goodness for backups! :) | 03:06 |
| n8k99 | that was a reference to Hobbs, in case | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: some of the games are ~2x as much here as they are in the US, for eg. and our dollar isnt that low. | 03:06 |
| n8k99 | no but ours is, now | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | (and are now buggy, and contain securom and other such crap, in which case obtaining it is the only sane option) | 03:07 |
| Jucato | lovely... OpenWeek is 11pm to 5am :) | 03:07 |
| n8k99 | not arguing with you | 03:07 |
| * Hobbsee finds it vaguely amusing that obtained copies run fine, yet properly bought copies have trouble running, due to the copy protection. | 03:08 | |
| nixternal | oh shoot, when does that start? | 03:08 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: I see you are signed up... | 03:08 |
| * Jucato loves the "subtitle" of tribal wars... "middle age browser game" | 03:08 | |
| nosrednaekim | lol | 03:08 |
| nixternal | ya, for 2 talks | 03:08 |
| Jucato | nixternal: Oct 22 | 03:08 |
| nixternal | oh man | 03:08 |
| nixternal | like now | 03:08 |
| nosrednaekim | hope I can make some of the better ones...(like yours!) | 03:08 |
| Jucato | you're still on the 25th and 27th anyway | 03:08 |
| nixternal | whew, so I have a few days | 03:08 |
| Jucato | I will have to wake up extra early to catch nixternal's Kubuntu talk | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | hm, should start sticking LongPointyStick in there | 03:09 |
| nixternal | umm, tonio is doing the one on the 23rd I think | 03:09 |
| nixternal | at least I hope he is | 03:09 |
| n8k99 | on that note Hobbsee, its amusing that obtained copies of movies do not have teh stupid FBI warnings or tons of previews | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: indeed! | 03:09 |
| Jucato | nixternal: oh it's still you | 03:09 |
| Jucato | so that means. 3 talks | 03:09 |
| nixternal | no way, Tonio is doing one, and I think he is doing the Tuesday talk | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: also things with hobbsean logic - obtaining the other half of series, where they only show the first half in au - and never show the next lot. or show it 6 months later. | 03:10 |
| Jucato | well better confirm w/ him asap.. tuesday is tomorrow :) | 03:10 |
| Jucato | ok time to "work" | 03:10 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: lol...umm actually its the day after tommorrow.. | 03:10 |
| n8k99 | Jucato you work? | 03:10 |
| nosrednaekim | ;) | 03:10 |
| nosrednaekim | nah... | 03:11 |
| Jucato | Mon Oct 22 10:11:26 PHT 2007 | 03:11 |
| Jucato | so no, it's tomorrow :) | 03:11 |
| Jucato | n8k99: hence "work" :) | 03:11 |
| Jucato | actually yeah I do have some real, paid work to be done this week | 03:11 |
| n8k99 | ah ha! | 03:11 |
| nixternal | OK, homework time..I need to clear up some time now | 03:11 |
| * n8k99 is enlightened | 03:11 | |
| * n8k99 fades | 03:12 | |
| Jucato | work that makes me wish amarok had better UI... | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, paid work. nice | 03:12 |
| Jucato | transcribing audio interviews. around $13 per hour of audio | 03:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Anything that gives me TUI for multiIM chat has my vote | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: $13 in what currency? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: TUI? | 03:14 |
| Jucato | US (I just converted it) | 03:14 |
| Jucato | Text user interface? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 03:14 |
| Jucato | saving up for a Nokia n800 or n810 or an ASUS Eee PC | 03:14 |
| nosrednaekim | what about an OLPC? | 03:15 |
| nosrednaekim | too bad you aren't in the US | 03:16 |
| Jucato | OLPC? compared to Eee PC? O.o | 03:16 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato:well,its got some interesting features,like a touchscreen... | 03:16 |
| Jucato | but but but... | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, teh OLPC's | 03:17 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Pidgin has a command line interface | 03:17 |
| nosrednaekim | finch | 03:17 |
| * Jucato will still go for the Eee PC.. doesn't want/need a "dumbed down" laptop... | 03:17 | |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: ah yes. i just havent figured out how to use it :) | 03:17 |
| nosrednaekim | good luck getting one... they are selling like hot cakes | 03:17 |
| Jucato | have they even been released yet? | 03:18 |
| nosrednaekim | first shipment in Taiwan was gone in 5 hours | 03:18 |
| Jucato | yeah I have time.. next year.. besides I know that the Eee PC will be available locally. the OLPC wouldn't | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: It's called finch | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i know that, but i couldnt figure how to actually log into it | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | Hooray I can now crack Windows vista passwords :) | 03:19 |
| DaSkreech | man ? | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. glanced at it, figured i'd see teh GUI first | 03:20 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: you'll be happy to know the Suse KDE4 cd is quite usable | 03:21 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: already installed last week | 03:21 |
| Jucato | I still have to get around to using it | 03:21 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: the ylive cd? didn't it just coe out? | 03:22 |
| DaSkreech | come | 03:22 |
| Jucato | ah no. not the live cd | 03:22 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah it's sweet | 03:22 |
| * Jucato is suddenly no longer interested to get the live cd :) | 03:22 | |
| * yuriy wants a konqui halloween costume | 03:25 | |
| yuriy | sounds like FOSSCamp is shaping up to be interesing, might just have to go | 03:25 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 03:26 |
| coreymon77 | im excited about leopard | 03:26 |
| coreymon77 | friday!!! | 03:26 |
| coreymon77 | anyways | 03:26 |
| Jucato | leopaaard :) | 03:27 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: back to my non existant email address | 03:27 |
| * Jucato remembers the novell commercials | 03:27 | |
| Hobbsee | coreymon77: right, yes | 03:27 |
| yuriy | why do i need to create an account to register? it's not linked to the launchpad account? | 03:27 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: so, how do i fix that | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | what's your LP id? | 03:28 |
| coreymon77 | same as all my other ids | 03:28 |
| coreymon77 | coreymon77 | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | coreymon77: what's your primary email on launchpad set to? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | (it appears to be set to nothing) | 03:31 |
| Jucato | unless he set it to not be shown? | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | point | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | i dont understand why people would do that, but OK | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | especially when other ways of contact are there | 03:33 |
| Jucato | privacy? | 03:34 |
| * Jucato shrugs | 03:34 | |
| Hobbsee | yeah, but if you're uncontactable, what's the point of being involved? | 03:34 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:35 |
| Jucato | ugh!!! hate it when people complain/wonder about broken systems when they're the ones who friggin broke it! | 03:37 |
| n8k99 | somepeople like being uncomfortable | 03:37 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: which i did | 03:38 |
| Jucato | coreymon77: well not you this time... | 03:38 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: once my ubuntu.com email is set up | 03:38 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: ill set that one to be visible | 03:38 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: id rather all *buntu related things be done through that email, rather than my personal email | 03:39 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: even though it ends up forwarding to the same place | 03:39 |
| Jucato | um... I don't think you can use the ubuntu.com email in LP | 03:39 |
| coreymon77 | what do you mean | 03:39 |
| coreymon77 | i set that as an email | 03:39 |
| Jucato | that will break ubuntu.com's link to your real email | 03:40 |
| coreymon77 | it will? | 03:40 |
| Jucato | afaik, unless it has changed | 03:40 |
| coreymon77 | well then what is the point of having it | 03:40 |
| Jucato | the @ubuntu.com redirect uses what's your current e-mail in LP | 03:40 |
| Jucato | the point is you can put up that e-mail address everywhere else | 03:41 |
| Jucato | you can even put it in your homepage details | 03:41 |
| Jucato | in LP | 03:41 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: thats not what i mean | 03:41 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: my primary email will stay the sam | 03:41 |
| coreymon77 | e | 03:41 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: ill just add the ubuntu.com email as a secondary and only set that one to be visible | 03:41 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: wouldnt that work? | 03:41 |
| Jucato | that I don't know | 03:42 |
| coreymon77 | as long as i keep my primary email set the same | 03:42 |
| coreymon77 | it should work | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: indeed, but that doesnt help when i want to email all members of the team, etc. | 03:43 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: so, about getting the email set up | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | or a whole bunch of people telling them that applying for membership for ~kubuntu-members is not enough - they actually have to come to a meeting | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | so they sit there, until i, or someoen else, throws them off. | 03:43 |
| n8k99 | oh right of course | 03:43 |
| n8k99 | oh question just popped into my head | 03:43 |
| n8k99 | if I have been consistently representing Ubuntu at the UN for the last year | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: you shouldnt use the @ubuntu/@kubuntu address as teh default - but they may have fixed that now. | 03:44 |
| n8k99 | do you think I'd have a good case for membership? | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | n8k99: no idea :) | 03:44 |
| n8k99 | ok | 03:44 |
| coreymon77 | n8k99: give it a try | 03:45 |
| coreymon77 | n8k99: i did | 03:45 |
| coreymon77 | n8k99: and look what happened | 03:45 |
| n8k99 | oh right | 03:45 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I think what coreymon77 meant was to add some other secondary e-mail addresses, keep the primary address intact, then only set that secondary address as the visible one | 03:45 |
| coreymon77 | Jucato: exactly | 03:46 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: we can get @kubuntu.com addresses? | 03:47 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: because if thats the case, id rather get that than a @ubuntu.com adress | 03:47 |
| Jucato | I think both work actually | 03:47 |
| jjesse | don't you get an @kubuntu one as soon as you become a member? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: yes | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: right, yeah | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | oh, so mine works? | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | coreymon77: we dont own kubuntu.com, so no. | 03:48 |
| jjesse | sure probablly does | 03:48 |
| Jucato | @kubuntu.org | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | oh | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | that | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | so i have coreymon77@kubuntu.org as an email adress | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | which forwards to my primary | 03:48 |
| jjesse | correct | 03:48 |
| coreymon77 | lets try | 03:49 |
| jjesse | whatever is your primary in launchpad | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | coreymon77: theoretically, yes. | 03:49 |
| * Hobbsee notes that she hasnt gotten a rejection email yet | 03:49 | |
| * Jucato needs to setup a user support schedule to follow very strictly | 03:51 | |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: i got the email | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | coreymon77: then it's working. | 03:51 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: however, i dont know what adress it came through | 03:52 |
| coreymon77 | ku or u | 03:52 |
| ScottK | Look in the header, you'll be able to tell. | 03:52 |
| * Hobbsee sent an email to both, but the headers will tell you | 03:52 | |
| * Hobbsee wonders, when trying to debug possible-non-existant email addresses, why they don't try sending it mail first, before coming and asking someone else to help them. | 03:52 | |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: ive tried that | 03:53 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: whenever i try sending myself an email | 03:54 |
| coreymon77 | i never get it back | 03:54 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: try sending something to only the ku adress | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | why? | 03:54 |
| coreymon77 | Hobbsee: i dont know | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | sent | 03:54 |
| Jucato | what email account were you using to send to the @ubuntu.com addresss? | 03:54 |
| Jucato | sometimes I can't send myself an e-mail if I use the same account (my gmail to my gmail) | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | gmail gets a bit funny about sending yourself mail, iirc | 03:55 |
| Jucato | yeah. so i use my other 2 mail accounts | 03:55 |
| coreymon77 | yes | 03:56 |
| coreymon77 | im using the gmail one to do it | 03:56 |
| Jucato | that would explain it then | 03:56 |
| coreymon77 | anyways | 03:56 |
| coreymon77 | it worked | 03:56 |
| coreymon77 | ill add the kubuntu.org adress to lp | 03:56 |
| Jucato | yay! (I think) | 03:56 |
| * Jucato goes out to buy some sanity... | 03:57 | |
| Hobbsee | hhe | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | find me some | 03:57 |
| coreymon77 | oh | 03:58 |
| coreymon77 | is it possible to only set one of my emails as visible? | 03:58 |
| coreymon77 | or is it all or nothing | 03:59 |
| * Hobbsee would suggest for those sort of questions, one should "just try it", rather than asking, particularly based on the fact that our emails seem to be obviously public anyway | 04:00 | |
| Hobbsee | "does the LP UI let me do this?" "how about you go and look" | 04:01 |
| Jucato | aaah! mt.dew induced sanity | 04:09 |
| Jucato | or better yet, #launchpad ? :) | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm still there, and the response of "use your brain, have a look" still applies thre too | 04:11 |
| * Jucato schedules an Adept bug triaging day | 04:27 | |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, adept | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: htey plan to decide what to do about that at UDS | 04:31 |
| Jucato | polish and bug fixing is all I can think about right now... given specially that we're shorthanded on people working on it... | 04:32 |
| Jucato | hm.. although I'm wondering if we can fully integrate software-properties-kde into Adept... | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i suspect it needs a rewrite - it's mostly unmaintainable. | 04:37 |
| Jucato | that's the hardest part... | 04:38 |
| * Jucato would love to start reading about APT API if there were any easy docs to read :) | 04:39 | |
| Hobbsee | apt isnt bad, iirc | 04:40 |
| DaSkreech | Is Ubuntu going to start using diffs for the sources soon ? | 04:41 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: jsgotangco mentioned last night that there was once a proposal to redo the UI for g-a-i... that would require us to update Adept Installer as well | 04:42 |
| * Jucato is not fond of that little bugger | 04:42 | |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: ...? | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | a) where did you hear that? b) what do you mean? | 04:42 |
| Jucato | you mean like deltas? | 04:42 |
| DaSkreech | They had a version of deb in Debian about a year a go I thnk that would pull down a diff instead of a full reload | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | so are you talking about diffs for sources, or diffs for binaries? | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | diffs for sources already get done, for the most part | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | Really? | 04:43 |
| Jucato | diff.gz right? | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | .dsc and .diff.gz, yes. | 04:43 |
| DaSkreech | doesn't feel like it | 04:43 |
| Jucato | ... | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: effectively, yes. you can keep the tarball, and download the .dsc and .diff.gz, unpack it, and get the new source | 04:44 |
| Jucato | dpkg-source -x *.dsc | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | and those arent exactly big. | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | Still takes forever to fetch updates | 04:44 |
| Jucato | she did say source diffs | 04:44 |
| DaSkreech | oh sorry I meant source.lists | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: methinks you dont undersatnd the difference between sources and binaries. in your original thing, you said sources. | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | oh right, which is totally different. | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | unsure why we dont rsync them, instead of wgetting them, actually. | 04:45 |
| Jucato | does apt support that? | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | not sure, tbh. | 04:45 |
| Jucato | for apt-get update I mean | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | the lists? unsure. wouldnt be that hard to implement, i expect | 04:45 |
| Jucato | that could be one reason why | 04:45 |
| DaSkreech | It does in Debian | 04:45 |
| * Hobbsee really suspects that it doesnt. | 04:46 | |
| * Jucato thinks apt only uses http or ftp | 04:46 | |
| Hobbsee | not all the mirrors seem to support rsync, so.. | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | LongPointyStick: http://sheldoncode.blogspot.com/2007/10/opensuse-for-day-or-few-hours.html | 06:01 |
| * manchicken hopes that there's a fix for his kmix not working well with ALSA problem in the repos... | 06:03 | |
| manchicken | Alas, there is not. | 06:03 |
| manchicken | I don't get this at all. | 06:03 |
| manchicken | I don't know what's up with my volume control thing. | 06:06 |
| manchicken | If I go into kmix and change any of the channel volumes from within the mixer, things are fine. | 06:06 |
| manchicken | If I click kmix's icon in the tray and I get the volume slider, I get no change. If I use the hotkeys the kmilo (or whatever it is) uses, I can only get mute to work by changing the master channel in kmix. | 06:07 |
| manchicken | But I can't get kmilo keys to change the volume at all. | 06:07 |
| manchicken | I'm gonna try wiping those configs. brb | 06:17 |
| manchicken | Nope, that didn't do it. | 06:19 |
| manchicken | This is confusing... | 06:19 |
| manchicken | Okay, looks like there are two bugs... | 06:26 |
| manchicken | Bug #58790, and a duplicate (which is gutsy and 3.5.8 specific), but #154634. | 06:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 58790 in kdemultimedia "kmix: dcop calls to adjust volume should affect user-set master channel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58790 | 06:27 |
| manchicken | bug #154634 even | 06:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 154634 in meta-kde "sound control using multimedia keys (dup-of: 58790)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154634 | 06:27 |
| drsatyri | hello all | 08:03 |
| serzholino | KDE packages in gutsy still have broken translations of plural forms :( | 08:40 |
| serzholino | although it was announced that launchpad now supports them | 08:41 |
| serzholino | amarok full of "BROKEN TRANSLATION Track played once", "BROKEN TRANSLATION Single" and so on | 08:45 |
| serzholino | on which component i should file bugreport? | 08:46 |
| DaSkreech | Amarok I guess | 08:52 |
| Lord_Cerber | dont know if i should ask here- after gutsy update k3b application hangs up with "kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance )" when just loading splash screen. Where can i ask about problem? | 08:56 |
| serzholino | DaSkreech: same problem with akregator, adept_notifier | 08:58 |
| DaSkreech | Ah Well .. .just those three? | 08:59 |
| serzholino | looks like | 09:00 |
| serzholino | kmail is ok | 09:02 |
| DaSkreech | Well you can file under those three | 09:03 |
| DaSkreech | If you find more then come back may be something else | 09:03 |
| serzholino | ok, thanks | 09:03 |
| serzholino | maybe kmail was fully translated upstream and does not include translations from rosetta | 09:03 |
| serzholino | BTW, on feisty amarok 1.4.7 from backports was ok | 09:04 |
| emilsedgh | ryanakca: ping | 09:08 |
| === Mez is now known as Mez|Away | ||
| Hobbsee | wow, another blast. http://sheldoncode.blogspot.com/2007/10/opensuse-for-day-or-few-hours.html | 09:23 |
| Jucato | it's just one hit after another... | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well... | 09:25 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=586236 | 09:25 |
| Jucato | wishful thinking, mixed opinions... | 09:25 |
| Jucato | it's kinda sad that even from our own Ubuntu users, they don't like Kubuntu :( | 09:25 |
| Jucato | and recommend other KDE distros... | 09:26 |
| Jucato | hm.. it's 4:30? O.o | 09:26 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: well, it's hard to hide that forever. | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | goodness knows how many kubuntu users will do what i've done, too | 09:27 |
| Jucato | :( | 09:27 |
| Jucato | bye bye greenphone... | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | oh? | 09:28 |
| Jucato | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6964769377.html not sure if it's 100% accurate yet :) | 09:29 |
| Jucato | if they're really eyeing Neo1973... then that +1 reason for me to want to buy one :) | 09:29 |
| freeflying | Jucato: neo1973 is so slow | 09:30 |
| Jucato | oh? :( | 09:31 |
| Jucato | with Qtopia or with OpenMoko? | 09:31 |
| freeflying | with openmoko | 09:31 |
| Jucato | although I bet it's faster than my Nokia 6600? :D | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear :( | 09:31 |
| Jucato | oh that wasn't supposed to be a question :) | 09:31 |
| Jucato | oh well, if it's really slow, that narrows down my choices to 2: a high-end Eee PC or Nokia N810 :D | 09:32 |
| freeflying | the time costed by the boot process is similiar as my notebook :) | 09:32 |
| emilsedgh | who should accept me as a kubuntu-website member? | 09:32 |
| Jucato | kubntu-website member? | 09:33 |
| Jucato | freeflying: that long? for a smartphone? :/ | 09:33 |
| Jucato | although you're not supposed to boot it much :D | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | emilsedgh: who were you told that you were looking for? | 09:33 |
| freeflying | Jucato: yes, so its very slow | 09:33 |
| * Hobbsee thinks it was kwwii, and mhb? | 09:33 | |
| Jucato | ah | 09:33 |
| Jucato | freeflying: bummer :( | 09:33 |
| emilsedgh | Hobbsee: i talked to mhb and ryanakca | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | emilsedgh: what did they say? | 09:35 |
| Jucato | "You're the blue-backgrounded half brother of an wildly popular distribution. You're more or less the same, but yet wickedly different" | 09:35 |
| Jucato | ouch... really ouch... :( | 09:35 |
| emilsedgh | Hobbsee: i already contributed little things to website, now i have more things so i want to commit... | 09:35 |
| Jucato | emilsedgh: could you migrate the whole thing to Drupal? :) | 09:36 |
| emilsedgh | Jucato: im working on drupal theme :P | 09:36 |
| Jucato | yay! | 09:36 |
| Jucato | but the website isn't using drupal yet, right? | 09:36 |
| emilsedgh | Jucato: not yet | 09:37 |
| Jucato | good luck and have fun! :) | 09:37 |
| WaltzingAlong | Jucato: yeah it kind of feels that way. search youtube for kubuntu compiz or such, find little; search for ubuntu compiz find lots; maybe there can be a select set of people who get to gnu/linux based distros due to the hype about pretty effects in ubuntu then switch to kubuntu since they like kde instead; perhaps with each release ubuntuK seems as complete as ubuntuG | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | emilsedgh: oh, you mean the launchpad team so you can commit? | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | WaltzingAlong: have you *tried* compiz under kde? | 09:38 |
| emilsedgh | Hobbsee: yes | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | that's not kubuntu-specific | 09:38 |
| WaltzingAlong | Hobbsee: :p yes i know | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | emilsedgh: then you're looking for whoever the administrators of that team are | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | WaltzingAlong: although i've no idea why k-win-deco is so bad. | 09:38 |
| emilsedgh | Hobbsee: so who is that guy /who are those guys? | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | emilsedgh: see lp.net/~kubuntu-website, i expect. | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | i havent looked it up | 09:39 |
| emilsedgh | thanks Hobbsee | 09:39 |
| Jucato | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website | 09:40 |
| emilsedgh | Jucato: is #kubuntu at last, free of ati/nvidia questions with restricted manager? | 09:40 |
| Jucato | emilsedgh: just ati drivers | 09:40 |
| WaltzingAlong | emilsedgh: of course there will be questions about how to do it (for those who have not looked to the restricted manager) | 09:40 |
| Jucato | actually specific versions of ati drivers | 09:40 |
| emilsedgh | WaltzingAlong: most will be gone | 09:41 |
| Jucato | but FAQ #1 lately is compiz, and #2 would be upgrading | 09:41 |
| emilsedgh | Jucato: whats the matter with nvidia ? | 09:41 |
| emilsedgh | ghh | 09:41 |
| Jucato | no one complains about nvidia :) | 09:41 |
| WaltzingAlong | or the question about nvidia is should i use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new (without realizing that nvidia-glx is provided by nvidia-glx-legacy or nvidia-glx-new) | 09:41 |
| Jucato | just people asking about when this version of ati driver would come | 09:42 |
| Jucato | WaltzingAlong: it is? really? | 09:42 |
| Jucato | WaltzingAlong: there are 3 nvidia drivers | 09:42 |
| Jucato | which (should be) mutually exclusive | 09:42 |
| emilsedgh | Jucato: FAQ #3 is Kopete's msn problem, i think :P | 09:43 |
| Jucato | ah yes :) | 09:43 |
| Jucato | amazing how the kdesudo bug is only asked in forums... | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | kdesudo has which bug now? | 09:44 |
| WaltzingAlong | Jucato: aptitude show nvidia-glx | grep Provided yields 'Provided by: nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-new' | 09:44 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: the same bug. has the fix been uploaded? | 09:44 |
| Jucato | or you didn't know about it? | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'm not aware of it atm | 09:44 |
| Jucato | it messes with the app's config ownership (makes it owned by root) | 09:45 |
| Jucato | in a nutshell | 09:45 |
| Jucato | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/155032 | 09:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] | 09:45 |
| Jucato | 4 dups | 09:45 |
| WaltzingAlong | Jucato: well i have nvidia-glx-new on here but not nvidia-glx; and yes it seems they conflict (nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy, and nvidia-glx-new) | 09:45 |
| Jucato | WaltzingAlong: it should each of those 3 provides a different driver for each of the 3 "groups" of cards. | 09:46 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ahh, i'm not subscribed to them | 09:46 |
| Jucato | older legacy, legacy, and current (nvidia's groupings) | 09:46 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: neither was I, but it made some noise in the forums and in here :) | 09:47 |
| WaltzingAlong | Jucato: alright | 09:47 |
| Jucato | (kubuntuforums of course) | 09:47 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: eparse. | 09:48 |
| Jucato | eparse? | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | error parsing | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ie, if you use kdesudo kate, root now owns the config files, and so you cant restart as a user? | 09:49 |
| Jucato | you can, but can't make changes to settings | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | right, yes, because the config files are owned by root | 09:50 |
| Jucato | in some cases, like in Dolphin (when you use Open as Root), you get a crash/error message at the end | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | wonder why they couldnt have said that on the bug report - i cant figure out what the original guy is saying :) | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | right, yeah | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | i've seen that | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not missing dolphin, actually | 09:50 |
| Jucato | what's that? >:) | 09:50 |
| Jucato | btw, just to add fuel to the fire, have already seen a few comments about Kubuntu Gutsy released while not ready for release :P | 09:51 |
| * Jucato puts a firewall around him... | 09:51 | |
| * WaltzingAlong tunnels through the firewall | 09:52 | |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | the entire thing wasnt. | 09:52 |
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| Mez | Riddell/anyone - who runs the kubuntu forums? | 10:27 |
| Jucato | Mez: a private individual. Open Source (his handle in the forums0 | 10:39 |
| Mez | ah that sucks ;) hehe | 10:39 |
| Mez | I need an email ;) | 10:39 |
| Jucato | you need his e-mail? | 10:39 |
| Jucato | ah looks like he set it to hidden. :) | 10:40 |
| Jucato | he does have a Yahoo Messenger account, which means it could also be his e-mail (if that's what you wanted) | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | oh, he actually runs it? | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | hasnt he been in u-d recently? | 10:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no, different guy | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what are your plans for hardy? | 10:58 |
| _StefanS_ | I would like to see qtcurve as default style. | 10:58 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyCatchup see bottom | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | hah. i love the new spec part | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: looks good | 11:02 |
| emilsedgh | anyone knows that when the conexant driver for 7.10 will be ready? | 11:03 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: what are *your* plans? :D | 11:07 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i have no idea. maybe i'll take a release cycle off. i'd like to have a look at apt. | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | i'd probably take hardy+1 off, actually | 11:08 |
| Jucato | aw... that will be the release with KDE 4 :( | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | do some QA-based stuff | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | hammer canonical to do some things more sanely :) | 11:08 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: if you find some good docs/guides about libapt, ping me :) | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | okay, continue to hammer them | 11:09 |
| * Jucato doesn't know where to begin... | 11:09 | |
| Hobbsee | perhaps do some more upstream stuff | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: me neither. ask mvo, perhaps | 11:09 |
| Jucato | ok :) | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | come to think of it, i probalby wont take hardy+1 off, as hopefully i'll have been invited to that UDS, so have lots of stuff that i want to see in | 11:09 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: and we will probably need all the help we can get with the migration to KDE 4 :) | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: perhaps...but that will depend somewhat on what DE i'm running :) | 11:10 |
| Jucato | :( | 11:11 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: master plan is to go easy on ubuntu for the next couple of years, then look around after that, as i'll have finished uni | 11:14 |
| Jucato | :) | 11:15 |
| Mez | Jucato, I'll safely assume that Brantley, Zack zackman@hotpop.com | 11:26 |
| Mez | is him | 11:26 |
| Jucato | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=2 | 11:26 |
| Jucato | YIM is also a yahoo mail account so... | 11:27 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | ||
| ryanakca | Hobbsee, Jucato: If emilsedgh shows up again, mind telling him that the branch is under kubuntu-members, and that we don't use the kubuntu-website team? And tell him that we'll continue merging from his personal branch into the -members branch? | 11:37 |
| ryanakca | Please :) | 11:40 |
| * ryanakca goes back to getting ready for school | 11:40 | |
| emilsedgh | ryanakca: still not there? | 11:45 |
| Riddell | 11:37 < ryanakca> Hobbsee, Jucato: If emilsedgh shows up again, mind telling him that the branch is under kubuntu-members, and that we don't use the kubuntu-website team? And tell him that we'll continue merging from his personal branch into the -members branch? | 11:46 |
| emilsedgh | Riddell: thanks | 11:47 |
| emilsedgh | since i deleted my branch, i should give him patches | 11:47 |
| === Mez is now known as Mez|Away | ||
| mooper | hey chaps, are you going to fix knetworkmanager in gutsy? | 11:58 |
| mooper | cos Its a little sucky at the moment if you want to play with changing gateways etc | 11:59 |
| mooper | In fact, I changed my default gateway to something else last night on my laptop last night, now I cant change it back :( | 12:00 |
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| ryanakca | emilsedgh: if you want to send patches, send bundles instead... `bzr branch http://bazaar.lanchpad.net/..../kubuntu-theme-v1 emilsedgh-branch`, make your changes, `bzr commit -m "commit message"`, `bzr bundle-revisions > foo.bundle`, and email me the foo.bundle . | 12:01 |
| emilsedgh | ok, thanks | 12:02 |
| ryanakca | np :) | 12:02 |
| ryanakca | that way the changes will be commited into the main branch under your name and not mine... and under your commit message :) | 12:02 |
| Riddell | mooper: I don't believe knetworkmanager lets you change gateway, it's dhcp only | 12:06 |
| mooper | Riddell It does | 12:06 |
| Riddell | mooper: you're probably looking at knetworkconf | 12:07 |
| mooper | Riddell manual configuration>select the interface>Configure Interface>manual>Advanced settings>>> | 12:08 |
| Riddell | yeah, that's knetworkconf | 12:08 |
| Riddell | you can remove the entries in /etc/network/interfaces to go back to using knetworkmanager | 12:09 |
| mooper | Riddell: just delete them? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:10 |
| Riddell | and proably sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart | 12:11 |
| mooper | Riddell: they dont say anything about gateway, just the standard | 12:11 |
| mooper | auto eth0 | 12:11 |
| mooper | iface eth0 inet dhcp | 12:11 |
| mooper | same as on my other kubuntu box | 12:11 |
| Riddell | that still won't work in network manager in gutsy as I understand it | 12:12 |
| mooper | Im on feisty | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | oh, merges already? | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, there *is* stuff for me to merge | 12:17 |
| === Saied is now known as Saied|Away | ||
| mhb | hi folks | 12:28 |
| mhb | hi emilsedgh, what's up? | 12:29 |
| emilsedgh | hey mhb | 12:29 |
| emilsedgh | mhb: /msg? | 12:29 |
| mhb | no problem here | 12:32 |
| Knightlust | a.. gotta get myself a UPS for my srver | 13:21 |
| Knightlust | oops, sorry, wrong channel | 13:22 |
| Jucato | !helpersnack | nixternal | 14:13 |
| ubotu | nixternal: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 14:13 |
| n8k99 | !nixternal | 14:14 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 14:14 |
| n8k99 | oops not that one | 14:14 |
| n8k99 | are there dcop calls to send text strings into basket? | 14:15 |
| jjesse | evening Jucato | 14:19 |
| Jucato | good morning to you jjesse! :) | 14:19 |
| nixternal | why a cookie? | 14:26 |
| Jucato | nixternal: see the backlog in #kde-devel :P | 14:27 |
| Jucato | er.. scrollback | 14:27 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 14:28 |
| WaltzingAlong | should be a fruit or vegetable? | 14:28 |
| Jucato | if you don't want it, I can always take it back? :) | 14:29 |
| nixternal | nah, even though it is early, a cookie sounds good | 14:29 |
| * nixternal wonders if Tonio is going to do the talk tomorrow | 14:29 | |
| Jucato | a cookie *always* sounds good | 14:29 |
| nixternal | so does sleep :) | 14:29 |
| Jucato | so does.. um. nvm :) | 14:31 |
| === Saied|Away is now known as Saied | ||
| Lord_Cerber | any one seen the problem - programms (amarok, juk, k3b,pidgin) after update to gutsy just start and nothing happens - thou they are present in process list. NO debugging output is given. Only amarok says Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp? | 14:44 |
| Hobbsee | ....no? | 14:45 |
| Hobbsee | does this happen on a new kde profile? | 14:45 |
| sebas | strace it | 14:46 |
| Lord_Cerber | pidgin strace stopped on this: | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {35659, 599382759}) = 0 | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | munmap(0xb51fd000, 472189) = 0 | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0xb7063918) = 21226 | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | close(16) = 0 | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | read(15, | 14:50 |
| Lord_Cerber | amarok runs with | 14:51 |
| Lord_Cerber | gettimeofday({1193060866, 255054}, NULL) = 0 | 14:51 |
| Lord_Cerber | select(14, [3 4 5 12 13], [], [], {0, 5091}) = 0 (Timeout) | 14:51 |
| WaltzingAlong | on http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/ the actual picture (when the thumbnail is clicked) of snapshot6 is that of snapshot0 | 14:52 |
| Jucato | WaltzingAlong: yes it was intended to be so | 14:52 |
| Jucato | according to Riddell | 14:52 |
| WaltzingAlong | Jucato: i see. had not clicked through them before but had a question about what is being typed there, suppose it is just to get adept running again with --dist-upgrade but now no longer needed since gutsy is official? | 14:53 |
| Jucato | WaltzingAlong: it was supposed to be: kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" | 14:55 |
| Jucato | but the updated version of Adept on Feisty no longer required that | 14:55 |
| Jucato | (if I understood Riddell correctly) | 14:55 |
| WaltzingAlong | i see. i guess the person asked because the thumbnail and picture when clicked were different. | 14:56 |
| WaltzingAlong | ok, got it | 14:56 |
| WaltzingAlong | thanks | 14:57 |
| Riddell | fixed | 14:59 |
| Riddell | (pending cache) | 14:59 |
| jjesse | Riddell: sorry missed the mtg last night | 14:59 |
| jjesse | Riddell: read the log linked from your blog | 15:00 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: WHot | 16:09 |
| DaSkreech | Whoot too :) | 16:09 |
| Jucato | hoot | 16:10 |
| DaSkreech | IRC in KDE4 :) | 16:10 |
| Jucato | hm..ok... | 16:10 |
| DaSkreech | Now just need to figure out an IM ... | 16:11 |
| Jucato | kopete :) | 16:12 |
| Jucato | what are you using btw? | 16:12 |
| DaSkreech | Suse live Cd | 16:13 |
| DaSkreech | No amarok :( | 16:13 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: ping | 16:13 |
| Jucato | but what app to irc? | 16:13 |
| Hobbsee | You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 16:13 |
| Jucato | ooooh! | 16:14 |
| jpatrick | Ah, right | 16:14 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ping | 16:14 |
| Hobbsee | You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 16:14 |
| Jucato | unping :D | 16:14 |
| jpatrick | they've replaced her with a robot!! :O | 16:14 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: ping wiht content | 16:14 |
| Hobbsee | You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 16:14 |
| DaSkreech | Damn | 16:14 |
| * Hobbsee replaces DaSkreech with a very small shell script. | 16:14 | |
| jpatrick | ok, let's stop that.. | 16:14 |
| DaSkreech | exit 1 | 16:15 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: just wondering if you plan to work on the kdmtheme merge | 16:16 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: go ahead. if the changes are relevant, stick them back into debian kde svn repo, then sync it. | 16:17 |
| Hobbsee | (if it's done by them - i htink it is) | 16:17 |
| jpatrick | they have one hell of a nasty *.diff.gz | 16:18 |
| Hobbsee | wouldnt surprise me | 16:18 |
| jpatrick | and, if you have the time, could you look at semantik on revu? (replaces: kdissert) | 16:19 |
| * Hobbsee probably wont :) | 16:19 | |
| jpatrick | ok, anyone else with motu rights | 16:20 |
| DaSkreech | Argh! | 16:20 |
| DaSkreech | Konsole spawns a notification every minute | 16:20 |
| * Jucato should probably advertise OpenWeek in #kubuntu | 16:21 | |
| jpatrick | let's just add it to /topci | 16:21 |
| Jucato | on second thought... I'd rather go to bed | 16:21 |
| DaSkreech | Night Jucato | 16:22 |
| Jucato | night | 16:22 |
| DaSkreech | Hope you get your groove back | 16:22 |
| jpatrick | g'night | 16:22 |
| Jucato | me too... | 16:23 |
| Jucato | I desperetely need to get my groove back asap | 16:23 |
| DaSkreech | Pull a aaron | 16:23 |
| DaSkreech | stick your feet in a river | 16:23 |
| Jucato | we only have a dirty creek :) | 16:23 |
| Jucato | I'll try an early morning stroll tomorrow... | 16:24 |
| Jucato | maybe I'll find something... | 16:24 |
| jpatrick | those are awesome | 16:24 |
| DaSkreech | I like walks | 16:24 |
| DaSkreech | help you to center | 16:24 |
| Jucato | would be great if we had a pretty place to walk to... | 16:25 |
| Jucato | like a park or some thing nature-y | 16:25 |
| DaSkreech | Concrete jungle? | 16:25 |
| jpatrick | nature itself? | 16:25 |
| Jucato | even if we're technically and geographically in the province, there's not much to see | 16:25 |
| DaSkreech | Look harder :) nature intrudes in a very insistent manner | 16:26 |
| Jucato | I can't go out tomorrow after all... :( | 16:29 |
| Jucato | my asthma intrudes more insistently... | 16:29 |
| DaSkreech | Aww Sorry to hear | 16:31 |
| * Hobbsee notes that it's really hard to converse in a second language. | 16:37 | |
| DaSkreech | Like geek? | 16:38 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: no, like german. | 16:41 |
| DaSkreech | Ja! | 16:41 |
| WaltzingAlong | need to understand it better i suppose | 16:43 |
| Hobbsee | so many verbs and adjectives and such. learning another language is *hard* dammit. | 16:45 |
| WaltzingAlong | Hobbsee: my guess is that increasing the level of "immersement" would make it much easier | 16:46 |
| Hobbsee | WaltzingAlong: yeah, well. | 16:46 |
| WaltzingAlong | Hobbsee: hard to do on the other side of the world? | 16:46 |
| Hobbsee | rather | 16:46 |
| * DaSkreech points Hobbsee to parley | 16:56 | |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: hmmm? | 16:56 |
| * Hobbsee is stirring in the open day stuff | 16:56 | |
| DaSkreech | ok time for work | 16:57 |
| DaSkreech | GHood bye KDE4 goodness | 16:57 |
| maini10 | Hello, someone reports a crash using kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" to upgrade from Feisty. But I have seen in the upgrade notes that wizard should appear automatically without this command. What is the right procedure? | 17:22 |
| Riddell | maini10: it'll appear automatically with the latest adept from feisty-proposed | 17:24 |
| maini10 | Riddell: unfortunately, reporter of bug 153016 says that also latest version doesn't show the wizard. I can't confirm it because I use Gutsy | 17:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 153016 in adept "adept_manager crashes when updating from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153016 | 17:25 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fancy doing a dot story about the new mandriva and kubuntu releases? | 18:15 |
| daSkreech | Does suse get one? | 18:17 |
| daSkreech | or they have their own publisher? | 18:17 |
| nosrednaekim | they have people PAID to do their advertising ;) | 18:17 |
| daSkreech | They have paid people?? | 18:18 |
| * daSkreech grins :) | 18:18 | |
| nosrednaekim | Novell?you bet! | 18:19 |
| Riddell | daSkreech: they got one when they released | 18:20 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: did you get my message from last night about the dynamic xauth generating debdiff for kdesudo? | 19:51 |
| _StefanS_ | hey fdoving | 19:54 |
| fdoving | hey stefans. | 19:54 |
| _StefanS_ | do you have problems with kdmtheme too ? | 19:54 |
| fdoving | what kind of problems? | 19:54 |
| _StefanS_ | donno if its related to kdesudo also.. | 19:54 |
| _StefanS_ | 2secs | 19:54 |
| _StefanS_ | #148706 | 19:54 |
| _StefanS_ | isn't it supposed to give you the headline for the bug? | 19:55 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm. | 19:55 |
| fdoving | bug 148706 | 19:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 148706 in kde-systemsettings "kdmtheme module can not apply changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148706 | 19:58 |
| fdoving | Riddell: nevermind all the whining, looks like it doesn't work as i want it to just yet. i'll get back to you when it does. | 19:59 |
| fdoving | _StefanS_: i can try to reproduce and investigate in a few. | 20:00 |
| _StefanS_ | would be nice | 20:00 |
| manchicken | It seems that there's a nasty runaway process that is just killing my machine's performance... | 20:04 |
| fdoving | manchicken: look for strigi | 20:04 |
| nixternal | Riddell: should I do a write up for each distro, or a write up about both distros? | 20:05 |
| manchicken | I see no strigi, but I see several /bin/sh procs running as root. | 20:05 |
| fdoving | hum. | 20:05 |
| fdoving | check their /proc/ entries? | 20:06 |
| yuriy | i'll be the first to propose that manchicken's machine has been hax0red | 20:06 |
| fdoving | environment and cmdline maybe? | 20:06 |
| manchicken | It's beagle. | 20:07 |
| fdoving | beagle is nice. | 20:07 |
| fdoving | i'm very happy with beagle and kerry. | 20:07 |
| fdoving | resource-hog like any desktop-search-thing, but the best i've tried so far. | 20:07 |
| manchicken | I just don't understand why it needs to kill my machine. | 20:08 |
| fdoving | good question. | 20:08 |
| manchicken | I just niced it to 19. | 20:08 |
| manchicken | See if that helps. | 20:09 |
| manchicken | At first it seemed like a touchpad issue. | 20:09 |
| fdoving | strange thing it isn't niced to something low-pri already. | 20:09 |
| manchicken | But it is becoming apparent that it's something killing performance. | 20:09 |
| manchicken | It was niced to 0 | 20:09 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: one for both | 20:18 |
| mhb | good evening folks | 20:19 |
| mhb | is anyone running hardy yet? Is it possible, even? | 20:19 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: I donno if the toolchain is even uploaded | 20:23 |
| xipietotec | I believe the kde4 packages in universe are broken | 20:26 |
| stdin | broken how? | 20:31 |
| xipietotec | stdin, kde4addons conflicts with base, also installing base does not create a /apps/kdm/sessions folder. | 20:32 |
| stdin | xipietotec: can you post an apt-get log to pastebin? | 20:33 |
| yuriy | btw the description for kde4base has a typo | 20:34 |
| yuriy | "it offers no binary compatibility guarantee and will no help users." | 20:34 |
| _StefanS_ | xipietotec: you need kdebase-workspace aswell | 20:35 |
| xipietotec | stdin, http://rafb.net/p/J4GH5A92.html | 20:35 |
| xipietotec | _StefanS_, there is no kde4base-workspace, so I need to install kdebase-workspace out of the normal kde packages? | 20:36 |
| _StefanS_ | its not a normal kde package AFAIK, its KDE4 | 20:37 |
| stdin | xipietotec: "kdebase-workspace" is a kde4 package | 20:37 |
| xipietotec | thats kinda crap naming convention, it does not show up in synaptic when you search for kde4. | 20:38 |
| stdin | it's description is "core workspace applications for KDE 4 testing" | 20:39 |
| stdin | seems clear enough | 20:39 |
| xipietotec | yeah, but it doesn't show up if you search for kde4 but all the other packages do (including a description search | 20:40 |
| stdin | search for "kde 4" then | 20:41 |
| nixternal | Riddell: Kubuntu includes the last KDE 3.5.8, making it the first distribution to release the 8th maintenance update to the KDE 3.5 branch. <-- that is correct right? :) | 20:42 |
| Riddell | yep | 20:43 |
| * nixternal presses submit | 20:43 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: in the queue waiting for you! | 20:43 |
| fdoving | Riddell: how do you feel about having kdesudo tempfiles laying arouind in /tmp/ - there seems to be no way to remove the files from within kdesudo code, as kdesudo exits once the real command starts. - looks like it already creates iceauth files, and it also looks like gksu makes tempdirectories with xauthority files in them. | 20:45 |
| fdoving | would probably make sense to put them in the kde-username temp dir. | 20:46 |
| fdoving | the xauth cookies will timeout within the X server after 60 seconds if not used. so it's no risk that i can see. | 20:46 |
| fdoving | for the same reason we need a new file for every kdesudo run. | 20:47 |
| _StefanS_ | fdoving: sounds good | 20:48 |
| stdin | Riddell: do you think it'd be a good idea to tell people to make sure they have software-properties-kde installed in the upgrade instructions ? | 20:50 |
| daSkreech | I do | 20:51 |
| yuriy | i'm trying to run a kde4 session, and it can't find "libkpty.so" | 20:55 |
| stdin | yuriy: make sure you installed with "sudo apt-get install kde4base-dev kdebase-workspace" | 20:55 |
| yuriy | ah i guess i was missing the first one, thanks | 20:56 |
| yuriy | i've had gutsy for 3 months, and constant upgrading doesn't seem to keep kde4 intact | 20:57 |
| Riddell | stdin: added to the upgrade screenshots | 21:30 |
| nixternal | what to talk about tomorrow? | 21:30 |
| nixternal | I don't think Tonio is going to be around...I think he was going to do one of the kubuntu talks...or was that Lure? | 21:30 |
| stdin | Riddell: great :) | 21:31 |
| Riddell | tonio was talking about the thursday one | 21:31 |
| nixternal | OK | 21:31 |
| nixternal | I think I am going to feel out the audience first...I would like to hopefully see a lot of new users there and try to attract them in to help out | 21:31 |
| nixternal | hey, whats up with Beta 3 btw for KDE 4? | 21:51 |
| daSkreech | Whats up? | 21:52 |
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| xipietotec | do you have to have kubuntu-desktop installed to run kde4? I followed the instructions on kubuntu.org, and kde4 now loads up, but then immediately crashes. | 22:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it's in gutsy | 22:50 |
| fdoving | Riddell: proposed kdesudo fix is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_debdiff_ubuntu3_dynamic_xauth_r2.diff and http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu5_i386.deb - now using it with root is secure and it will clean up tempfiles. when using with -u nonrootuser the xauth file will be exposed to anyone on the system because the -u user needs to read the file. it will of course be in /tmp/kdesudo-XXXXX-xauth some random things. but it's po | 23:35 |
| Riddell | "it's po" | 23:37 |
| jjess1 | I don't like poo | 23:37 |
| fdoving | but it's possible to | 23:39 |
| fdoving | exploit that during the time the app is open as the user. I don't completely understand | 23:39 |
| fdoving | how gksu does this. nite. | 23:39 |
| fdoving | gah, nice paste. | 23:39 |
| fdoving | it is possible for other users to set XAUTHORITY=/tmp/kdesudo-xxxx-xauth and run apps on the X server. | 23:40 |
| fdoving | with the cookie from kdesudo-xxxx-xauth | 23:41 |
| fdoving | but the file will be locked when in use. | 23:41 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: if there's a special code in /tmp/kdesudo-xxxx-xauth, and the file is read only, wouldn't that mean only the user who entered the pass can access it/use sudo? | 23:41 |
| fdoving | err, forget the lock thing, doesn't count for reading. | 23:41 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: no, because the file is created as the user executing kdesudo. | 23:42 |
| ryanakca | s/read only/read only for owner, no access for others/ | 23:42 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: it's OK for root, as it can be 0600, or rw----- | 23:42 |
| fdoving | and root can still read it. | 23:42 |
| fdoving | but once you 'kdesudo -u someuser' you'll get problems. | 23:43 |
| ryanakca | ah | 23:43 |
| fdoving | because someuser can't read that. | 23:43 |
| * ryanakca nods | 23:43 | |
| fdoving | well, bed. nite. | 23:45 |
| Riddell | fdoving: "Use a pty." which part of the diff is that? | 23:45 |
| Riddell | fdoving: ok, many thanks fdoving | 23:45 |
| fdoving | Riddell: it's nothing really, just mentioned in the changelog because i tested with KProcess::setUsePty | 23:45 |
| ryanakca | nite fdoving | 23:45 |
| fdoving | can safely be ignored. | 23:46 |
| nixternal | Riddell: kdebase-workspace says 3.93 here | 23:54 |
| nixternal | heh | 23:55 |
| nixternal | I swore for some reason that beta2 was 93...man am I a moron | 23:55 |
| stdin | I have 3.94.0-0ubuntu2 | 23:56 |
| nixternal | ya, that is what it is supposed to be | 23:56 |
| nixternal | ok, so I am not a moron | 23:56 |
| nixternal | that means the us archives aren't updating | 23:56 |
| nixternal | argh! | 23:56 |
| stdin | hmm, us.archive.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com both point to the same IP(s) | 23:57 |
| nixternal | interesting...kdebase-workspace says 3.93-0ubuntu2 here, but kdebase-workspace-dev says 3.94-0ubuntu2 | 23:57 |
| stdin | something screwy there | 23:58 |
| nixternal | actually, the us archives are/were right up the street from me...I wonder why it is pointing to the same IP now | 23:59 |
| nixternal | that explains the slowness | 23:59 |
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