[00:04] Froze again [00:10] What did I miss? [00:11] Day changed to 22 Oct 2007 [00:13] Riddell: thanks, mister announcer :o) [00:13] So weekly builds are planned? :) [00:14] hey! [00:16] DaSkreech: only if someone goes ahead and does it [00:20] Riddell: the link to the logs is broke on your blog [00:21] nixternal: thanks, fixed [00:21] Oh got the logs? [00:22] yes, thanks DaSkreech [00:22] ok it froze right after I sent it :) [00:52] froze again :) [00:52] Not the same freeze though [01:17] hi Jucato [01:17] hi [01:18] how are you? [01:18] just woke up... so really can't say... :) [01:23] oh my, Jucato just woke up, better go to bed pronto [01:23] hi mhb [01:24] hi Jucato [01:24] :) [01:24] I really shouldn't be here [01:24] hm.. ok... [01:25] goodnight and this time for real [01:25] good night! :) [02:42] morning Jucato [02:44] evening jjesse! [02:46] jjesse: Hardy is all yours for documentation :) [02:46] * Jucato waves to nixternal :) [02:46] heh. [02:46] * Jucato waves to Jucato [02:46] nixternal: yeah way? [02:46] nixternal: you leaving? [02:47] noooo! [02:47] :( [02:47] * n8k99 waves [02:47] did i miss something? [02:47] heck no I am not leaving [02:48] Riddell owes me a beer :) [02:48] ah was just going to say.... you better not leave [02:49] man, I am way to involved to ever leave....plus I don't ever see myself falling out of love with Linux...nor this community either [02:49] especially KDE :) [02:49] i was going to say [02:49] I told the Gnome Users Group today that I would rather use Windows ME than Gnome...they didn't like that [02:49] anyways i get to another book this go around, version 3 of the official ubuntu book :) [02:50] * nixternal still thinks we need out own book and not 1 little chapter [02:50] s/out/our [02:50] I have contemplated writing one, GFDL, and letting the world have it for free [02:50] maybe if I can find a little time, I will do so one day [02:50] nixternal: unfortunately, our own book would probably be repeating half of the ubuntu book... [02:51] nixternal: i've made each chapter longer and longer :) [02:51] well, I can honestly say, I don't like the "Official" Ubuntu book for 2 reasons, 1) nothing in it for me or anybody else who doesn't use Gnome, and 2) Kubuntu only has one chapter [02:51] but at least it is more current then any of the other ubuntu books [02:51] they are all edgy or dapper [02:51] most dapper [02:52] I think the "ubuntu hacks" book keeps getting updated as well...it seems to be a pretty popular book here locally [02:52] be right back putting wife to bed [02:52] man, the jokes I had for that one [02:52] :) [02:52] is tonigth the night to change the clocks? [02:52] when were those 2 books first released btw? [02:53] ubuntu hacks was the first I believe [02:53] last year? [02:53] and then the Ubuntu Bible [02:53] ubuntu hacks came out first [02:53] afk [02:53] thanks... [02:53] hehe [02:53] * Jucato estimates how long it took for the books to arrive here... [02:53] in local book stores... about a year :) [02:54] Jucato: what do you think, you think Kubuntu needs their own book? [02:54] I think we should do an online version, and maybe setup a Lulu release so people can purchase a print of it if they want [02:54] nixternal: unfortunately, our own book would probably be repeating half of the ubuntu book... [02:54] you think so? [02:55] oh, I thought jjesse said that [02:55] damn J's in names [02:55] :) [02:55] I mean for the half that doesn't rely so much on KDE-specific info [02:56] there is only 1 chapter with KDE-specific info though [02:56] we need a whole section there then :) [02:56] or a group of chapters [02:56] Evolution, Gaim, Pidgin, Nautilus, and the rest of the stuff, is way different than the KDE counterparts [02:56] err, Gaim and Pidgin are the same now :) [02:56] hehe :) [02:57] dunno if I did that accidentally of if I wanted to add a / instead of a , in between them [02:57] maybe both :) [02:57] how was the party btw? [02:57] the reason I think we should have our own book..is because people are complaining that the "User's Guide" is gone [02:57] nixternal: I don't like that. I thought ME was labled a hazard to babies by the UN? [02:58] so was Gnome [02:58] the party was busy [02:58] I got online to talk to raphink for like 2 minutes [02:58] back [02:58] front [02:59] wow can't believe the indianss are loosing [02:59] side [02:59] left [03:00] that's a side too though... [03:00] although I should have said right [03:00] hrmm i think i'm heading off to city of heros for a bit [03:01] * Jucato ncurses US-made MMORPG's that never hit this country... [03:01] heh [03:01] obtain it [03:02] Jucato you should try http://www.tribalwars.net/1176610.html with the rest of teh ubuntu gang [03:02] on world 9 [03:02] big question is how? :) [03:02] oh yeah saw that one. gonna look into it [03:02] in a browser [03:02] the "how" was for Hobbsee's suggest :) [03:03] nixternal: No Gaim is very different from pigin [03:03] Pidgin [03:03] oh [03:03] although Guild Wars was sold here.. weird... [03:03] Jucato: the usual ways of obtaining things... [03:03] * n8k99 whimpers a bit [03:03] ./me is unusual [03:03] i'm thinking pidgin's actually better than gaim, incidently [03:03] hm.. I just tried to execute me [03:03] !openweek [03:03] openweek is Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for schedules, logs, and instructions. [03:03] Jucato: TPB, mininova.... [03:04] Hobbsee: lol! [03:04] *that* way :) [03:04] uh, yse :) [03:04] but you have to pay (once) to "legally" play it heheh [03:04] oh well [03:04] ??? [03:04] what did i miss [03:04] * Jucato looks for the Hip Hop Abs. [03:04] what are we talking about [03:04] Jucato: ah, darn. [03:04] anything under the sun or moon [03:04] * nosrednaekim registers his first branch! [03:05] chmod +x Jucato [03:05] ./me [03:05] still doesn't work :) [03:05] Jucato: i'm of teh opinion that if they arent shipping it in my country, or they're shipping it at an unreasonable price compared to the rest of the world, the legalities matter less :) [03:05] rm -rf ./me [03:05] err [03:05] hahah [03:05] s/\.\/// [03:05] muhahaha [03:06] he rm -rf'd himself [03:06] Hobbsee and her Hobbsean view of economics! [03:06] n8k99: yeah, well. [03:06] thank goodness for backups! :) [03:06] that was a reference to Hobbs, in case [03:06] n8k99: some of the games are ~2x as much here as they are in the US, for eg. and our dollar isnt that low. [03:07] no but ours is, now [03:07] (and are now buggy, and contain securom and other such crap, in which case obtaining it is the only sane option) [03:07] lovely... OpenWeek is 11pm to 5am :) [03:07] not arguing with you [03:08] * Hobbsee finds it vaguely amusing that obtained copies run fine, yet properly bought copies have trouble running, due to the copy protection. [03:08] oh shoot, when does that start? [03:08] nixternal: I see you are signed up... [03:08] * Jucato loves the "subtitle" of tribal wars... "middle age browser game" [03:08] lol [03:08] ya, for 2 talks [03:08] nixternal: Oct 22 [03:08] oh man [03:08] like now [03:08] hope I can make some of the better ones...(like yours!) [03:08] you're still on the 25th and 27th anyway [03:08] whew, so I have a few days [03:09] I will have to wake up extra early to catch nixternal's Kubuntu talk [03:09] hm, should start sticking LongPointyStick in there [03:09] umm, tonio is doing the one on the 23rd I think [03:09] at least I hope he is [03:09] on that note Hobbsee, its amusing that obtained copies of movies do not have teh stupid FBI warnings or tons of previews [03:09] n8k99: indeed! [03:09] nixternal: oh it's still you [03:09] so that means. 3 talks [03:09] no way, Tonio is doing one, and I think he is doing the Tuesday talk [03:10] n8k99: also things with hobbsean logic - obtaining the other half of series, where they only show the first half in au - and never show the next lot. or show it 6 months later. [03:10] well better confirm w/ him asap.. tuesday is tomorrow :) [03:10] ok time to "work" [03:10] Jucato: lol...umm actually its the day after tommorrow.. [03:10] Jucato you work? [03:10] ;) [03:11] nah... [03:11] Mon Oct 22 10:11:26 PHT 2007 [03:11] so no, it's tomorrow :) [03:11] n8k99: hence "work" :) [03:11] actually yeah I do have some real, paid work to be done this week [03:11] ah ha! [03:11] OK, homework time..I need to clear up some time now [03:11] * n8k99 is enlightened [03:12] * n8k99 fades [03:12] work that makes me wish amarok had better UI... [03:12] ooh, paid work. nice [03:13] transcribing audio interviews. around $13 per hour of audio [03:14] Hobbsee: Anything that gives me TUI for multiIM chat has my vote [03:14] Jucato: $13 in what currency? [03:14] DaSkreech: TUI? [03:14] US (I just converted it) [03:14] Text user interface? [03:14] ah [03:14] nice! [03:14] saving up for a Nokia n800 or n810 or an ASUS Eee PC [03:15] what about an OLPC? [03:16] too bad you aren't in the US [03:16] OLPC? compared to Eee PC? O.o [03:16] Jucato:well,its got some interesting features,like a touchscreen... [03:17] but but but... [03:17] ah yes, teh OLPC's [03:17] Hobbsee: Pidgin has a command line interface [03:17] finch [03:17] * Jucato will still go for the Eee PC.. doesn't want/need a "dumbed down" laptop... [03:17] DaSkreech: ah yes. i just havent figured out how to use it :) [03:17] good luck getting one... they are selling like hot cakes [03:18] have they even been released yet? [03:18] first shipment in Taiwan was gone in 5 hours [03:18] yeah I have time.. next year.. besides I know that the Eee PC will be available locally. the OLPC wouldn't [03:19] Hobbsee: It's called finch [03:19] DaSkreech: i know that, but i couldnt figure how to actually log into it [03:19] Hooray I can now crack Windows vista passwords :) [03:20] man ? [03:20] yeah. glanced at it, figured i'd see teh GUI first [03:21] Jucato: you'll be happy to know the Suse KDE4 cd is quite usable [03:21] DaSkreech: already installed last week [03:21] I still have to get around to using it [03:22] Jucato: the ylive cd? didn't it just coe out? [03:22] come [03:22] ah no. not the live cd [03:22] Yeah it's sweet [03:22] * Jucato is suddenly no longer interested to get the live cd :) [03:25] * yuriy wants a konqui halloween costume [03:25] sounds like FOSSCamp is shaping up to be interesing, might just have to go [03:26] haha [03:26] im excited about leopard [03:26] friday!!! [03:26] anyways [03:27] leopaaard :) [03:27] Hobbsee: back to my non existant email address [03:27] * Jucato remembers the novell commercials [03:27] coreymon77: right, yes [03:27] why do i need to create an account to register? it's not linked to the launchpad account? [03:28] Hobbsee: so, how do i fix that [03:28] what's your LP id? [03:28] same as all my other ids [03:28] coreymon77 [03:30] coreymon77: what's your primary email on launchpad set to? [03:31] (it appears to be set to nothing) [03:32] unless he set it to not be shown? [03:33] point [03:33] i dont understand why people would do that, but OK [03:33] especially when other ways of contact are there [03:34] privacy? [03:34] * Jucato shrugs [03:34] yeah, but if you're uncontactable, what's the point of being involved? [03:35] :) [03:37] ugh!!! hate it when people complain/wonder about broken systems when they're the ones who friggin broke it! [03:37] somepeople like being uncomfortable [03:38] Jucato: which i did [03:38] coreymon77: well not you this time... [03:38] Hobbsee: once my ubuntu.com email is set up [03:38] Hobbsee: ill set that one to be visible [03:39] Hobbsee: id rather all *buntu related things be done through that email, rather than my personal email [03:39] Hobbsee: even though it ends up forwarding to the same place [03:39] um... I don't think you can use the ubuntu.com email in LP [03:39] what do you mean [03:39] i set that as an email [03:40] that will break ubuntu.com's link to your real email [03:40] it will? [03:40] afaik, unless it has changed [03:40] well then what is the point of having it [03:40] the @ubuntu.com redirect uses what's your current e-mail in LP [03:41] the point is you can put up that e-mail address everywhere else [03:41] you can even put it in your homepage details [03:41] in LP [03:41] Jucato: thats not what i mean [03:41] Jucato: my primary email will stay the sam [03:41] e [03:41] Jucato: ill just add the ubuntu.com email as a secondary and only set that one to be visible [03:41] Jucato: wouldnt that work? [03:42] that I don't know [03:42] as long as i keep my primary email set the same [03:42] it should work [03:43] n8k99: indeed, but that doesnt help when i want to email all members of the team, etc. [03:43] Hobbsee: so, about getting the email set up [03:43] or a whole bunch of people telling them that applying for membership for ~kubuntu-members is not enough - they actually have to come to a meeting [03:43] so they sit there, until i, or someoen else, throws them off. [03:43] oh right of course [03:43] oh question just popped into my head [03:44] if I have been consistently representing Ubuntu at the UN for the last year [03:44] Jucato: you shouldnt use the @ubuntu/@kubuntu address as teh default - but they may have fixed that now. [03:44] do you think I'd have a good case for membership? [03:44] n8k99: no idea :) [03:44] ok [03:45] n8k99: give it a try [03:45] n8k99: i did [03:45] n8k99: and look what happened [03:45] oh right [03:45] Hobbsee: I think what coreymon77 meant was to add some other secondary e-mail addresses, keep the primary address intact, then only set that secondary address as the visible one [03:46] Jucato: exactly [03:47] Hobbsee: we can get @kubuntu.com addresses? [03:47] Hobbsee: because if thats the case, id rather get that than a @ubuntu.com adress [03:47] I think both work actually [03:47] don't you get an @kubuntu one as soon as you become a member? [03:47] jjesse: yes [03:48] Jucato: right, yeah [03:48] oh, so mine works? [03:48] coreymon77: we dont own kubuntu.com, so no. [03:48] sure probablly does [03:48] @kubuntu.org [03:48] oh [03:48] that [03:48] so i have coreymon77@kubuntu.org as an email adress [03:48] which forwards to my primary [03:48] correct [03:49] lets try [03:49] whatever is your primary in launchpad [03:49] coreymon77: theoretically, yes. [03:49] * Hobbsee notes that she hasnt gotten a rejection email yet [03:51] * Jucato needs to setup a user support schedule to follow very strictly [03:51] Hobbsee: i got the email [03:51] coreymon77: then it's working. [03:52] Hobbsee: however, i dont know what adress it came through [03:52] ku or u [03:52] Look in the header, you'll be able to tell. [03:52] * Hobbsee sent an email to both, but the headers will tell you [03:52] * Hobbsee wonders, when trying to debug possible-non-existant email addresses, why they don't try sending it mail first, before coming and asking someone else to help them. [03:53] Hobbsee: ive tried that [03:54] Hobbsee: whenever i try sending myself an email [03:54] i never get it back [03:54] Hobbsee: try sending something to only the ku adress [03:54] why? [03:54] Hobbsee: i dont know [03:54] sent [03:54] what email account were you using to send to the @ubuntu.com addresss? [03:55] sometimes I can't send myself an e-mail if I use the same account (my gmail to my gmail) [03:55] gmail gets a bit funny about sending yourself mail, iirc [03:55] yeah. so i use my other 2 mail accounts [03:56] yes [03:56] im using the gmail one to do it [03:56] that would explain it then [03:56] anyways [03:56] it worked [03:56] ill add the kubuntu.org adress to lp [03:56] yay! (I think) [03:57] * Jucato goes out to buy some sanity... [03:57] hhe [03:57] find me some [03:58] oh [03:58] is it possible to only set one of my emails as visible? [03:59] or is it all or nothing [04:00] * Hobbsee would suggest for those sort of questions, one should "just try it", rather than asking, particularly based on the fact that our emails seem to be obviously public anyway [04:01] "does the LP UI let me do this?" "how about you go and look" [04:09] aaah! mt.dew induced sanity [04:10] or better yet, #launchpad ? :) [04:11] Jucato: i'm still there, and the response of "use your brain, have a look" still applies thre too [04:27] * Jucato schedules an Adept bug triaging day [04:31] ah yes, adept [04:31] Jucato: htey plan to decide what to do about that at UDS [04:32] polish and bug fixing is all I can think about right now... given specially that we're shorthanded on people working on it... [04:32] hm.. although I'm wondering if we can fully integrate software-properties-kde into Adept... [04:37] Jucato: i suspect it needs a rewrite - it's mostly unmaintainable. [04:38] that's the hardest part... [04:39] * Jucato would love to start reading about APT API if there were any easy docs to read :) [04:40] apt isnt bad, iirc [04:41] Is Ubuntu going to start using diffs for the sources soon ? [04:42] Hobbsee: jsgotangco mentioned last night that there was once a proposal to redo the UI for g-a-i... that would require us to update Adept Installer as well [04:42] * Jucato is not fond of that little bugger [04:42] DaSkreech: ...? [04:42] a) where did you hear that? b) what do you mean? [04:42] you mean like deltas? [04:43] They had a version of deb in Debian about a year a go I thnk that would pull down a diff instead of a full reload [04:43] Yeah [04:43] so are you talking about diffs for sources, or diffs for binaries? [04:43] diffs for sources already get done, for the most part [04:43] Really? [04:43] diff.gz right? [04:43] .dsc and .diff.gz, yes. [04:43] doesn't feel like it [04:44] ... [04:44] Jucato: effectively, yes. you can keep the tarball, and download the .dsc and .diff.gz, unpack it, and get the new source [04:44] dpkg-source -x *.dsc [04:44] and those arent exactly big. [04:44] Still takes forever to fetch updates [04:44] she did say source diffs [04:44] oh sorry I meant source.lists [04:44] DaSkreech: methinks you dont undersatnd the difference between sources and binaries. in your original thing, you said sources. [04:44] oh right, which is totally different. [04:45] unsure why we dont rsync them, instead of wgetting them, actually. [04:45] does apt support that? [04:45] not sure, tbh. [04:45] for apt-get update I mean [04:45] the lists? unsure. wouldnt be that hard to implement, i expect [04:45] that could be one reason why [04:45] It does in Debian [04:46] * Hobbsee really suspects that it doesnt. [04:46] * Jucato thinks apt only uses http or ftp [04:47] not all the mirrors seem to support rsync, so.. [06:01] LongPointyStick: http://sheldoncode.blogspot.com/2007/10/opensuse-for-day-or-few-hours.html [06:03] * manchicken hopes that there's a fix for his kmix not working well with ALSA problem in the repos... [06:03] Alas, there is not. [06:03] I don't get this at all. [06:06] I don't know what's up with my volume control thing. [06:06] If I go into kmix and change any of the channel volumes from within the mixer, things are fine. [06:07] If I click kmix's icon in the tray and I get the volume slider, I get no change. If I use the hotkeys the kmilo (or whatever it is) uses, I can only get mute to work by changing the master channel in kmix. [06:07] But I can't get kmilo keys to change the volume at all. [06:17] I'm gonna try wiping those configs. brb [06:19] Nope, that didn't do it. [06:19] This is confusing... [06:26] Okay, looks like there are two bugs... [06:27] Bug #58790, and a duplicate (which is gutsy and 3.5.8 specific), but #154634. [06:27] Launchpad bug 58790 in kdemultimedia "kmix: dcop calls to adjust volume should affect user-set master channel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58790 [06:27] bug #154634 even [06:27] Launchpad bug 154634 in meta-kde "sound control using multimedia keys (dup-of: 58790)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154634 [08:03] hello all [08:40] KDE packages in gutsy still have broken translations of plural forms :( [08:41] although it was announced that launchpad now supports them [08:45] amarok full of "BROKEN TRANSLATION Track played once", "BROKEN TRANSLATION Single" and so on [08:46] on which component i should file bugreport? [08:52] Amarok I guess [08:56] dont know if i should ask here- after gutsy update k3b application hangs up with "kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance )" when just loading splash screen. Where can i ask about problem? [08:58] DaSkreech: same problem with akregator, adept_notifier [08:59] Ah Well .. .just those three? [09:00] looks like [09:02] kmail is ok [09:03] Well you can file under those three [09:03] If you find more then come back may be something else [09:03] ok, thanks [09:03] maybe kmail was fully translated upstream and does not include translations from rosetta [09:04] BTW, on feisty amarok 1.4.7 from backports was ok [09:08] ryanakca: ping === Mez is now known as Mez|Away [09:23] wow, another blast. http://sheldoncode.blogspot.com/2007/10/opensuse-for-day-or-few-hours.html [09:23] it's just one hit after another... [09:25]