[00:01] Ubulette: nothing from my side ... its uploaded et al [00:01] Ubulette: its just that it couldn't be build on friday because of archive work [00:02] ok [00:02] i don't like it as well [00:02] i spend lots of time backporting preparing this in time and now we release late [00:02] but well ... nothing we can change [00:03] i think i'm gonna stop seeding gutsy [00:04] i've done 300G+ in 2 days [00:04] slowing down now [00:05] wished to push 1T but that will take forever [00:08] hehe [00:08] i think 300G is enough [00:09] that's only ~430 CDs [00:18] * gnomefreak thinks i should add autoconf2.13 as a buiold-dep :( [00:19] i just noticed it wasnt there [00:20] gnomefreak: the principal idea of 99_configure is to not have that build-dep [00:20] :) [00:20] ah [00:20] ok [00:21] did you update debian yet? [00:21] debian ? [00:21] iceape? [00:21] iceape [00:22] * gnomefreak == ginny pig [00:22] i tried it 40 min ago :) ... its the last missing [00:22] debian has 1.0.x [00:22] ah ok [00:22] not 1.1.x [00:23] i failed because the tarball didn't have a calendar ... and debian still supports the calendar for 1.0.x [00:23] ok conf looks like it is still working on updating it [00:23] asac: ha ha [00:23] asac: drop it from debian [00:23] we can push sunbird in [00:24] i hope this works [00:24] yeah ... just drop it in a security update ... that would set new standards :) [00:24] :) [00:24] is this for a stable release? [00:25] yes [00:25] ah ok [00:25] i don't do unstable iceape [00:25] i thought this was for lemmy [00:25] lenny [00:25] mike does? [00:25] i hope :) [00:25] i currnetly don't have much time to do unstable debian work [00:25] someone should [00:25] yeah unstable ubuntu work keeps you busy [00:26] asac, do you know what mike's plan for ff3/xul1.9 ? [00:26] Ubulette: i honestly don't want to know it [00:26] he probably will do the same as with xulrunner [00:27] hm [00:27] as soon as i can say for sure that epiphany upgrades work with change directory names ... i will ITP xulrunner-1.9 [00:29] gnomefreak: do you have admin powers for our mailing-list? [00:31] asac: i think so [00:32] yay its building ;) all patches are good [00:32] Ubulette: i haven't started discussion because i currently don't have the time to engage in this kind of difficult discussion [00:32] asac: what do you need ill see if i can do it [00:32] Ubulette: but i will certainly do soon [00:33] gnomefreak: how many mails waiting for moderation? [00:33] does anybody do moderation works? [00:33] i assume not :) [00:33] not sure yet let me check email [00:33] me a freddy i think [00:33] can add i think [00:34] add? .. you mean approve/decline moderation queue items? [00:34] i mean add people as mods [00:34] so yes that too but wont know until i try [00:34] ah [00:34] if i cant than i have to email rt@ubuntu [00:34] can you take a look if there are any at all? [00:34] yes [00:35] yes i will [00:35] i think you can also whitelist people not-subscribed? [00:35] should [00:36] hmmmm no new ones ill check on the list itself [00:36] just got one [00:36] where do you look? [00:37] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admindb/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs [00:37] than log in to see [00:37] ok lets hope that calendar works that way :) [00:37] list run by dfarning at gmail.com, ubuntu.ase at gmail.com, freddymartinez9 at gmail.com [00:37] oh this is bugs list [00:38] who is ubuntu.ase [00:38] ? [00:38] me [00:38] just me and freddy on mozillateam list [00:38] you want mod on that list? [00:38] not on bugs :) [00:38] no reg list [00:39] please on the regular list [00:39] ok [00:39] though i don't even remember my password for that :) [00:39] what email? ubuntu? [00:39] asac: thats easy enough [00:40] are you on jabber? [00:40] gnomefreak: the one currently subscribed [00:40] jabber? [00:40] do you see subscriber list? [00:40] i can [00:40] i think its asac@jwsdot.com [00:40] but please verify if that address is subscribed [00:40] k [00:41] give me a few, where do you want me to give you password? [00:41] is it in clear text? or will you regen? [00:42] clear text is easiest [00:42] your added as mod afaict here [00:44] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mozillateam [00:44] thats the place where i should login? or somewhere else? [00:44] no ill give you link [00:45] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admindb/ubuntu-mozillateam [00:45] how can one find that? or do i need to bookmark it? [00:45] that should give you a page asking for password only right? [00:45] asac: its in the emails you get [00:45] it will say log in here and give you a link [00:45] ah ... so its only one password for all? [00:45] if you want to randomly log in that page should be saved [00:46] yep [00:46] gnomefreak: do you have encryption in jabber? [00:46] once logged in you can do most anything look edit ect. [00:46] asac: i use my gpg key to log in [00:46] lets find out [00:46] can you read what i wrote? [00:47] i sent you 3 messages [00:47] im working on it atyes [00:47] then it probably just works [00:47] just use my "Mobile Key" [00:47] i see 2 plus encyption enabled [00:47] how? [00:48] do you see what i wrote? [00:48] yes [00:48] then just try to send a message [00:54] can you read what i sent? [00:58] theres alot of warnings with iceape [00:58] during build [00:59] maybe just moz. code as i do remember seeing some in ff [01:00] gnomefreak: warnings are most likely ok [01:00] if they are compile warnings [01:00] and don't fail [01:00] they are fine (during build) [01:02] gnomefreak: before uploading try to do some thorough tests ... e.g. take yourself a day for that [01:02] ok can do [01:02] e.g. use browser ... use mail ... calendar .... try some corner cases [01:02] e.g. do QA [01:02] we dont build calendar [01:02] maybe next time we want iceape on the qa tracker as well [01:02] ;) [01:02] gnomefreak: right [01:03] thats fortunate [01:03] but there are other components as well i guess [01:04] yeah there are, i hope i dont need to upload/build anything else for this to build on PPA [01:04] gnomefreak: shouldn't [01:04] everything in gutsy should be avail to you [01:04] k [01:04] and main is enough as well [01:04] so you don't need to add universe/ in Section [01:04] cool [01:05] brb need to go to store [01:58] off === saivann_ is now known as saivann === saivann is now known as saivann_ [03:56] asac: if i upload to PPA im gonna need to add ~ppa1 so its not confused with same version from repos [03:59] that would mean you would need to change changelog before pushing it [04:00] let me know what would be better for you. if i was able to remove things it wouldnt matter to much [04:30] right now i have gutsys build version 1.1.5-1ubuntu1 should that be changed since hardy will have 1.1.5-1ubuntu1 (can i have 2 changelogs with same version just diff. distro name? [04:30] im off to bed now [09:23] hi [09:23] gnomefreak: thats ok [09:24] gnomefreak: yes the version in gutsy should be smaller than the one in hardy [10:05] hello [10:05] is Alexander Sack there? [10:16] yeah [10:16] exception_: ? [10:18] well [10:18] i've posted russian translation for ubufox [10:19] exception_: thanks. [10:19] on the long run we will do translations of ubufox in rosetta (launchpad) [10:19] oh, that'll be nice [10:19] but for now its appreciated [10:20] i'd also like to be able to contribute ubufox joining dev team, if you like [10:20] exception_: sure [10:20] welcome .) [10:21] do you know something about firefox extensions? [10:21] well, i've been working on one [10:22] ok so you know :) [10:22] yes, kind of that. [10:22] at least i hope so :) [10:22] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main [10:22] thats the main branch [10:22] (e.g. wikthout debian/ directory) [10:22] based on that jazzva (currently offline) develops his improvements: [10:22] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/ubufox/main [10:23] or [10:23] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/ubufox/main.ff3 (firefox 3) [10:23] exception_: i am not sure about the state of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/ubufox/main ... but finally it should improve layout of the plugin finder wizard and [10:23] what branch should i work with? [10:24] depends on what you want to do ... if you want to help on the features that jazzva works on you should probably base your work on his branches [10:24] otherwise on the main release branch (~asac) [10:25] exception_: maybe take a look at jazzva main branch ... and see if it works .) [10:25] the plugin finder wizard should have a better layout ... and if you are not in the admin group you will not see any packaged results in the plugin finder wizard [10:25] so his works are to be merged someday with the main branch, i get it right? [10:25] yes [10:25] pretty soon [10:26] i think he said that its now fixed and i could merge it ... haven't reviewed it though :) [10:26] oh, and a question [10:27] sure ... go ahead [10:28] i don't get t, where's ubufox located by default? i can't see it in my profile folder (~/.mozilla/firefox/.../extensions) [10:31] exception_: its a globally installed extension [10:31] but for development you can just install the .xpi in your profile on top [10:32] packaged/global extensions are in /usr/lib/firefox/extensions [10:33] oh, now i see it [10:33] thanks [10:33] to develop you just run sh build.sh in the main branch [10:33] and install the .xpi as usual [10:34] would it replace the default installation? [10:35] yes ... it just works ... you don't need to uninstall the global one [10:35] the one in profile is preferred [10:37] i see it's not svn used in launchpad.. never worked with bzr, is it similar? [10:37] exception_: yes its easy to learn for svn / cvs users [10:38] the commands are quite similar [10:38] you start by taking a branch ... (bzr branch URL) ... then you work like in svn ... [10:38] bzr status [10:38] bzr diff [10:38] bzr commit [10:38] to publish you just use [10:38] bzr push URL [10:39] ok, thanks. [10:39] http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/tutorial.html [10:39] you can just push to your own branch in launchpad ... then ask me to merge your changes to main branch and so on [10:40] but you can just develop locally first ... e.g. doing multiple commits [10:40] once you have something you want to show me ... i can tell you the URL to use to push to launchpad [10:40] nice [10:40] and where are the goals of project? something to be implemented, kind of roadmap [10:41] exception_: unfortunately not yet ... i have some ideas though :) [10:41] new ideas are welcome ;) [10:42] exception_: maybe to start ... branch of _my_ main branch [10:43] add your translation ... add another translation (there is one in the launchpad bug tracker9 [10:43] push things to launchpad and let me merge it in :) [10:44] ok [10:44] to branch do: bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main ubufox.main [10:44] then play around [10:44] i'll go buy some food :) will be here in 30 minutes [10:44] sure === exception_ is now known as exception_[away] === exception_[away] is now known as exception_ [11:03] i have kind of idea [11:05] it'll not be useful for those whose native language is english but for those who are using both english and e.g. russian keyboard layouts that'll be VERY useful [11:08] ? [11:08] switching keyboard layouts? that is already dealt with by the gnome keyboard applet [11:12] nope [11:12] you see [11:13] there's a very annoying bug in ff [11:13] that has been reported lots of time since the very first ff 1.0 release [11:13] and they still don't fix it [11:13] *damn* [11:14] you can't use keyboard shortcuts when active layout is not english [11:14] it works nice in all other applications.. not in firefox though [11:17] hmm [11:17] right [11:17] i remember that bug [11:17] whats the idea? [11:17] how do other applications deal with that?` [11:18] dunno how but it works everywhere, no matter what input language is selected [11:18] there is a workaround though [11:21] we could have an option for enabling that in extension prefs [11:21] yes ... but first we have to understand how it works ... and why it works imo [11:22] so how are the shortcuts mapped? e.g. in epiphany? [11:23] dunno [11:23] here's the bug itself: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295614 [11:23] Mozilla bug 295614 in Keyboard Navigation "In cyrillic languages (Ukrainian, Russian) don't work hotkeys at all" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [11:24] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69230 ? [11:24] Mozilla bug 69230 in Keyboard: Navigation "Accelerators should not be affected by keyboard group/level" [Normal,New] [11:24] oh, nice robot [11:25] see, that's a workaround: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3529 [11:28] * asac looking [11:29] it just listens to keypress and translates keycodes :) [11:31] so how does this work? it uses the key at the same place? [11:31] e.g. ctrl-c = ctrl + 3rd key in bottom line from left? [11:33] it maps keycodes [11:34] though not best solution cause it can fix the bug only on those keyboards that are supported, i.e. that are defined in the addon [11:34] *not keyboards, i mean keyboard layouts [11:34] currently it supports russian, ukrainian and hebrew [11:36] hmm [11:36] what about the patch attached to mozilla bug 69230 [11:36] ? [11:36] Mozilla bug 69230 in Keyboard: Navigation "Accelerators should not be affected by keyboard group/level" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69230 [11:37] e.g. attached at 2007-10-12 [11:42] i looked through code, it might be really working [11:44] btw i've added ru-RU and fi-FI locales to my local copy and that seems to be working [11:45] though the description is still in English [11:47] description? [11:47] you mean the one in install.rdf? [11:48] ok ... but please commit ru-RU and fi-FI in two separate commits .... its cleaner [11:48] yeah but localized ones are stored in ubufox.properties [11:48] then push to launchpad [11:48] hmm [11:48] oh i got the problem, sorry [11:49] hmm ... so does it work to use localized description that you see in addons dialog? [11:49] it was just 'ubufox' id in .preferences but the id is 'ubufox@ubuntu.com' [11:49] yes [11:50] nice, it works now [11:50] :) [12:12] and what do you think about adding standard icons to menus? [12:23] which icons? [12:24] the same that are used in all gnome apps [12:25] dunno about kde though [12:25] "Translate this application" etc stuff [12:29] there are some standard icons, we might reuse them [12:32] hmm [12:32] i'm afraid i cannot push my changes [12:32] look [12:32] bzr push http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main [12:32] bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.UnlockableTransport: Cannot lock: transport is read only: [12:33] how do i get the access? [12:33] exception_: you cannot push to my branch [12:33] you have to push to _your_ branch [12:33] just create a launchpad account [12:33] got it :) [12:33] and replace asac with your launchpad id [12:33] i've already one [12:34] then i push it to my branch and.. [12:34] aeh you have to push using bzr+ssh://... [12:34] not http [12:34] http is read only [12:34] when you pushed it to your branch you show it to me so i can review and merge to my branch [12:35] ... which is the release branch [12:38] but i firstly i'm going to register a branch in launchpad, right? [12:38] exception_: no ... it should just work [12:38] maybe you have to use --create-prefix for the initial push [12:38] but not sure [12:40] it says me Permission denied (public key) [12:42] exception_: most likely you have to add a ssh key to your launchpad profile [12:42] run ssh-keygen [12:42] to create a key pair if you don't have one [12:43] then you have to add the .pub key (in $HOME/.ssh) to your launchpad profile [12:59] now it worked [12:59] a strange thing [13:00] bzr tried using my local user name as a lp username [13:00] so i had to change my local user name and that worked :) [13:04] no [13:04] you can use: [13:04] bzr+ssh://USERNAME@bazaar.launchpad.net/~USERNAME/... [13:04] exception_: ^^^ [13:04] otherwise it will try your local username ... right. [13:04] anyways i like my new username even better :) [13:05] so, what about icons? [13:05] i don't understand the icon thing [13:06] ah wait [13:06] let me see [13:06] just open 'Help' menu in any application [13:06] icons are pretty the same [13:06] well ... this shouldn't be done in ubufox imo, but in firefox upstream [13:06] if you're using Gnome of course [13:06] maybe there is a mozilla bug for that? [13:06] nope [13:07] menus are added by the extensions [13:07] *extension [13:07] no ... i mean ... no menu has an icon [13:07] err [13:07] what do you mean? [13:07] before we add icons to the ubufox menu entries, the rest should be iconified as well [13:07] look in the firefox file menu [13:07] there is no icon [13:08] hm, really [13:08] but extensions that add own menus nearly always have icons for them [13:08] it's normally, i think [13:09] i don't see any [13:09] eg flashgot [13:09] greasemonkey, webdeveloper, live http [13:10] anyways, *these* menus are like a standard. all gnome apps have them with icons. [13:10] all gnome apps have icons for all the other menu entries as well [13:10] is there a pluggin to listen to midi files if FF/GP? [13:11] i am fine with adding icons for our entries ... i just want to find the upstream bug first :) [13:11] there must be some [13:11] IdleOne: hmm ... do you have a website that provides such a content? [13:12] http://tips-for-new-bloggers.blogspot.com/2007/02/add-music-to-blogspot-blog.html [13:13] IdleOne: just add "add missing plugins ..." [13:13] it will show find the right one for you [13:13] it doesnt add it [13:13] tell me it cant find any [13:13] IdleOne: for me it finds mplayer [13:13] what is upstream bug? [13:14] exception_: thats what i asked :) [13:14] err? [13:14] 14:11 < asac> i am fine with adding icons for our entries ... i just want to find the upstream bug first :) [13:15] asac: I get a No suitable plugins were found [13:15] IdleOne: do you have ubufox installed? [13:15] be back in a few minutes :/ [13:16] still i don't get it. what the upstream bug are you talking about :) ? [13:16] asac: not certain but gotta go for a few [13:17] IdleOne: without ubufox you won't search the ubuntu plugin db [13:21] btw some menus have icons (like bookmark folders and bookmarks themselves) so having standard Gnome icons for standard Gnome menus would not break any extension design guidelines, as i think [13:22] кстати говоря, логичнее было бы если бы выкидывало на правильную версию дистрибутива, а не только на feisty при нажатии на "получить справку" [13:22] damn [13:23] sorry :-)) [13:29] i think it would be more useful if the link 'get help online' would lead us to correct distribution version, not only feisty, right? [13:33] asac: ubufox: [13:33] Installed: 0.4~beta1-0ubuntu4 [13:33] Candidate: 0.4~beta1-0ubuntu4 [13:34] asac: this is not because I absolutely need to be able to listen to midi files but it annoys me to not be able to if I wanted to :/ [13:37] IdleOne: i cannot tell ... does plugin finder service work otherwise? maybe you have disabled it in addons dialog? [13:37] asac: it normally works but I dont think I have disabled anything [13:39] asac: I dont seem to have mplayer in the plugins dialog [13:39] i have no idea ... i see it as well ... mplayer is registered to serve midi, but apparently the lastes version doesn't do that anymore [13:39] IdleOne: well i have mplayer, but it doesn't serve it anyway [13:39] I see [13:39] maybe you are on an architecture where mplayer doesn't exist? [13:40]