| Mez | ty LjL my CTS is playing up today | 00:00 |
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| LjL | !automatix | 00:01 |
| ubotu | Automatix2 is 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme) | 00:01 |
| LjL | for the sake of stripping a couple of letters away | 00:01 |
| LjL | (i assume the "/msg ubotu worksforme" rather than just "!worksforme" was intentional) | 00:02 |
| * popey notes that tribalwars page is busted | 00:02 | |
| stdin | stops several people in #ubuntu doing !worksforme I guess | 00:02 |
| LjL | stdin: yeah i was thinking that. although it's standard practice to have "See also: !factoid"... | 00:02 |
| LjL | stdin: bah, using antiviruses for wine apps... :) | 00:06 |
| LjL | hope he doesn't submit anything :P | 00:06 |
| stdin | I would just reply with "even in wine, a virus won't really do much harm" | 00:07 |
| jdong | stdin: heh think before you say that... | 00:07 |
| LjL | if one manages to actually get a virus (and have it do any harm) on wine he doesn't need an antivirus | 00:08 |
| jdong | stdin: w32api for DeleteFileEx recursive is totally implemented... | 00:08 |
| LjL | he needs a new password | 00:08 |
| LjL | that is not known to him | 00:08 |
| stdin | jdong: the worst it can do is mess with your $HOME, and only when wine is running (it doesn't autostart apps) | 00:08 |
| stdin | wine still has no choice but to obey UNIX permissions | 00:08 |
| jdong | stdin: I believe that for the average user, messing up $HOME Can be just as devistating as installing a rootkit in /usr | 00:08 |
| LjL | stdin: uhm, i beg to differ on this "it will just mess with your $HOME concept" that i so often see stated. *just* mess with your home? that's about the only important thing i have on my system. the rest can be re-installed from CD. | 00:09 |
| jdong | personally, $HOME is about all that matters to me | 00:09 |
| jdong | the rest I can grab from a Ubuntu CD | 00:09 |
| jdong | LjL: +1 | 00:09 |
| jdong | stdin: but you are right that one must run an app in WINE that gets compromised. | 00:09 |
| jdong | which takes talent. | 00:09 |
| LjL | i.e. pebkac | 00:10 |
| jdong | the "correct" solution is some sort of DAC, like Apparmor or SELinux | 00:10 |
| jdong | jail apps to strictly the access they need | 00:10 |
| jdong | assuming full permissions of $uid is overkill for 99% of apps out there | 00:10 |
| LjL | hm i don't love that concept. but i guess that's just because of symbian :) | 00:10 |
| stdin | maybe we should make a popup saying "Something wants to open %s\nDo you want to continue?" and have it freeze the entire system while it waits :p | 00:11 |
| jdong | :) | 00:11 |
| jdong | stdin: haha, but Cancel or Allow is against GNOME HIG! | 00:11 |
| stdin | good job I don't use GNOME then ;) | 00:11 |
| LjL | stdin: or "Something wants to open %s\nPlease request a digital certificate from Canonical Inc. (cost: €500) to allow the operation" | 00:12 |
| jdong | Kancel / KPermit | 00:12 |
| jdong | LjL: or maybe, as suggested on -devel-discuss, we should turing-test the user with a CAPTCHA! | 00:12 |
| stdin | jdong: no! "Kancel / Kontinue" :) | 00:12 |
| LjL | jdong: you didn't discuss that. | 00:12 |
| LjL | at least, not seriously. | 00:13 |
| jdong | LjL: I followed up with a more serious discussion why it's not a good idea. | 00:14 |
| jdong | and I maintain that my response was equally as ludicrous as the suggestion | 00:14 |
| LjL | jdong: is it the sort of idea that needs serious arguments to be put forward against? | 00:14 |
| LjL | i se | 00:14 |
| LjL | e | 00:14 |
| jdong | LjL: considering that it was a core developer raising the idea seriously, as far as I can tell, yes it did need serious arguments... | 00:15 |
| * LjL goes install slackware | 00:15 | |
| jdong | lol | 00:16 |
| LjL | hey, we could force #ubuntu users to solve a captcha before joining the real channel | 00:19 |
| LjL | we'd avoid botnets that way | 00:19 |
| LjL | (and when i say "solve", i don't just use the word in a technical sense... they've got so complicated that i could solve a crossword puzzle faster than i can read a captcha) | 00:20 |
| jdong | LjL: I still like the CAPTCHA I proposed on -devel-discuss :) | 00:22 |
| jdong | LjL: if we only allow people who can answer that in, 90% of our problems would be solved | 00:23 |
| LjL | jdong: in into -devel-discuss? | 00:23 |
| jdong | no, into #ubuntu :) | 00:23 |
| LjL | jdong: and i suppose you had a particular kind of captcha in mind? | 00:25 |
| jdong | LjL: something similar to that one I posted on -devel-discuss ;-) | 00:27 |
| LjL | jdong: ... yeah, thank you. | 00:27 |
| Moniker42 | hey, how do i set a channel to not automatically re-op people when ops is removed? | 02:21 |
| Pici | Moniker42: probably a better question to ask in #freenode | 02:22 |
| Moniker42 | k thanks Pici | 02:22 |
| Pici | I have no idea ;) | 02:22 |
| Moniker42 | Pici, that's usually what "well... to be quite technical, this isn't really the channel for it..." means ;) | 02:23 |
| nalioth | Moniker42: this is freenode. auto ops are not necessary at all (nor are they advised) | 02:24 |
| Moniker42 | no, it's not exactly a serious channel though ;) | 02:25 |
| Pici | There have been problems in the past with random people coming into auto-op channels and banning everyone and doing other nefarious deeds. | 02:26 |
| jrib | hmmm | 02:29 |
| Seeker` | 02:29:11- DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from sekio | 02:29 |
| nalioth | Seeker`: /msg seenserv seen sekio | 02:29 |
| Seeker` | ah, ok :) | 02:30 |
| Seeker` | that was quick | 02:30 |
| nalioth | Seeker`: automation has only shown up in the past 150 years, so i guess so :0 | 02:31 |
| Seeker` | you mean peopled don't do everything manually? :O | 02:31 |
| jrib | weird, people are dropping that did not drop on the text one | 02:40 |
| Seeker` | so is this a botnet? | 02:41 |
| nalioth | that's what they call it | 02:41 |
| jrib | if anyone wants to empty -unregged, it is all yours | 02:50 |
| nalioth | jrib: go ahead :) | 02:50 |
| * jrib 's script is mia | 02:50 | |
| === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL | ||
| HugLeo | please | 05:06 |
| Madpilot | hmm? | 05:07 |
| HugLeo | extremely excessive flood in #ubuntu-br | 05:07 |
| HugLeo | But he go away now | 05:07 |
| nalioth | someone flooded his lshw a few times in there | 05:13 |
| HugLeo | nalioth: veh? | 05:18 |
| jdong | nalioth: isn't lshw like a couple hundred lines per run? | 05:23 |
| nalioth | jdong: it is. | 05:25 |
| jdong | how lovely :) | 05:27 |
| Jucato | don't they get DC'ed for excess flood? | 05:29 |
| nalioth | Jucato: not the trolls, no | 05:29 |
| Jucato | bah... ubotu gets dc'ed, but no the trolls... oh the irony! | 05:30 |
| Jucato | :) | 05:30 |
| nalioth | Jucato: 'smart' clients don't paste at a high rate | 05:30 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: ... | 05:35 |
| Jucato | I know I know | 05:35 |
| Jucato | sheesh | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | and still you do it | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | sheesh! | 05:35 |
| Jucato | ... | 05:35 |
| Tm_T | whumtidum | 05:36 |
| nalioth | wtf was that? | 05:36 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: god mocking and then looks like god took his revenge, who knows | 05:37 |
| * nalioth is now totally lost. | 05:37 | |
| * Tm_T hides the map | 05:37 | |
| jdong | grr how am I supposed to test azureus when nobody wants the ubuntu livecd from me? | 05:42 |
| elkbuntu | jdong, make a copy of a video and name it to sound like porn :Þ | 05:46 |
| jdong | haha | 05:48 |
| Cpudan80 | Hello all | 06:17 |
| Cpudan80 | I have kinda weird request | 06:17 |
| Cpudan80 | Your friends over in ##windows would like to host a debate on the merits of the windows v linux security model | 06:18 |
| Madpilot | windows has a security model? | 06:18 |
| Cpudan80 | As such, we are looking for some experts on the linux security model... | 06:18 |
| Cpudan80 | If you are interested, let me know | 06:18 |
| Cpudan80 | Madpilot: yes it does - the goal of the debate is to spread awareness of both OSs model | 06:19 |
| Madpilot | try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic - this channel is for channel ops & issues w/ that | 06:20 |
| Cpudan80 | I'm trying to avoid yelling at the masses | 06:20 |
| Cpudan80 | but it can't hurt! | 06:20 |
| * Cpudan80 puts on rain coat | 06:20 | |
| nalioth | Madpilot: ah, he's in the right place | 06:27 |
| nalioth | he'll only get a bunch of trolls by asking in #ubuntu | 06:27 |
| Madpilot | <shrug> ##windows exists to collect trolls, though? | 06:28 |
| nalioth | i think it actually has merit (the idea) | 06:29 |
| nalioth | the actual production of the idea, may have entirely different consequences | 06:29 |
| Madpilot | well, ya. a public IRC channel isn't the greatest venue for a reasoned in-depth debate on Linux vs Windows | 06:31 |
| jdong | nalioth: do you have any familiarity with what kind of channel ##windows is? | 06:31 |
| jdong | I mean, if it's not a braindead monkeyfest, I'd be happy to volunteer | 06:31 |
| nalioth | jdong: i've been a channel op by nick there longer than i've been on staff. | 06:31 |
| nalioth | so, i reckon i've got an idear :) | 06:32 |
| jdong | nalioth: is it an environment where one can actually have this kind of discussion without "windows sucks" and "linux doesn't work with any hardware" once every 2 seconds? | 06:32 |
| === Moniker42 is now known as Moniker42_away | ||
| nalioth | jdong: i imagine the debate would take place in a moderated channel | 06:32 |
| Madpilot | hopefully | 06:33 |
| jdong | I think it's a good discussion topic and there's a lot to learn and discuss | 06:33 |
| nalioth | because no channel is safe from "my [blank] is bigger/better/etc than your [blank]" | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | true | 06:35 |
| jdong | true | 06:35 |
| jdong | too bad I'm extremely busy these coming two weeks | 06:35 |
| === Mez is now known as Mez|Away | ||
| ubotu | In ubotu, Jordan_U said: dual boot is Dual boot instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot (x86/AMD64) - Macs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBook | 09:30 |
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| Sp0tUb | !NTFS | 11:21 |
| ubotu | ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse | 11:21 |
| Sp0tUb | Why is Ubuntu so wack? I have just installed my NFTS drive, and then i want to make it writeable, and then it makes an error, and y drive is gone, and even if i reboot, the drive is not there! | 11:39 |
| Sp0tUb | y = the* | 11:39 |
| Sp0tUb | Why is Ubuntu so wack? I have just mounted my NFTS drive (External) and then i want to make it writeable, and then it makes an error, and the drive is gone, and i cant mount it again because it says its stille in /etc/fstab? | 11:41 |
| Sp0tUb | still* | 11:41 |
| Seeker`` | @btlogin | 11:42 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu, Irreducibilis said: ubotu: What is e to the i pi squared? | 11:47 |
| === Mez is now known as Mez|Away | ||
| === Mez|Away is now known as Mez | ||
| ubotu | MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu | 12:25 |
| * Pici slaps irssi for not syncing and thus not allowing him to ban | 12:26 | |
| Mez | Pici, lol - I got the second one | 12:27 |
| Pici | I saw :) | 12:27 |
| MenZa | What's the policy on offensive nicks? | 13:47 |
| MenZa | (see arschloch in #ubuntu) | 13:47 |
| * MenZa pokes Amaranth | 13:48 | |
| Amaranth | How is that offensive? | 13:49 |
| MenZa | It means "asshole" in German, excuse the language. | 13:49 |
| Amaranth | he changed it | 13:50 |
| MenZa | ah right | 13:50 |
| Sp0tUb | !NTFS | 14:27 |
| ubotu | ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse | 14:27 |
| PriceChild | Hey Sp0tUb? | 14:31 |
| Sp0tUb | Yes? | 14:31 |
| Sp0tUb | Reboot, BRB | 14:31 |
| mc44 | PriceChild: may be something to do with his part message ; | 14:36 |
| mc44 | ) | 14:36 |
| PriceChild | aha | 14:36 |
| Sp0tUb | !NTFS | 14:37 |
| PriceChild | Sp0tUb, Hey there. | 14:37 |
| ubotu | ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse | 14:37 |
| PriceChild | Sp0tUb, please change your quit message. | 14:37 |
| Sp0tUb | Why?' | 14:37 |
| Sp0tUb | Did i brake some rules? | 14:38 |
| PriceChild | Well because you are banned from #ubuntu.... probably because of that, but I will have to check that. | 14:38 |
| Sp0tUb | No. its because i had bad meaning about Ubuntu | 14:38 |
| PriceChild | Well either way, this is not a channel to mess abuot with ubotu :) | 14:39 |
| Sp0tUb | They banned me because i told about all my problems running Ubuntu on my new laptop | 14:39 |
| PriceChild | No "they" didn't. | 14:39 |
| Sp0tUb | Im on Qnet normally, thats why i use that Q-message :-) | 14:39 |
| Sp0tUb | Ok, one person did | 14:39 |
| PriceChild | Still not the reason. | 14:40 |
| Sp0tUb | Im only here because Ubuntu makes my life hard :-D | 14:40 |
| Sp0tUb | No? | 14:40 |
| PriceChild | No. | 14:40 |
| Sp0tUb | Then tell me what it was when you know it better than me :-) | 14:40 |
| PriceChild | Sp0tUb, the ban was for trolling. | 14:41 |
| Sp0tUb | I came here to get the NTFS link like u se, but now its the last time! ;-) I bookmark it! :-D | 14:42 |
| PriceChild | If you wanted help, and asked questions in order to gain support. You would not have been banned. | 14:42 |
| Sp0tUb | Trolling? Whats that? | 14:42 |
| PriceChild | However you made such statements as "2007-10-21T16:28:29 <Sp0tUb> nosc, but linux SUXX" | 14:42 |
| PriceChild | Which is trolling. | 14:42 |
| Sp0tUb | I did, people fucked up my system by telling me crap | 14:42 |
| Sp0tUb | Ahh, telling the truth is trolling? :-) | 14:43 |
| * denny laughs | 14:43 | |
| PriceChild | hey denny. | 14:43 |
| denny | hiya | 14:43 |
| PriceChild | Sp0tUb, Ban won't be lifted at this time sorry. See also "/msg ubotu msgthebot". Any further business here? | 14:44 |
| denny | sorry, was just popping in to check the banlist here - got someone trying to figure out how to access #ubuntu with tor/cgiatwork/some other alternative | 14:45 |
| PriceChild | Ah yes. | 14:45 |
| PriceChild | Sp0tUb | 14:45 |
| PriceChild | !proxy | 14:46 |
| ubotu | The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer. | 14:46 |
| ubotu | Attention tor users. You may think you are anonymous, but you are not. Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself. Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc. If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks | 14:46 |
| PriceChild | bah not that one | 14:46 |
| PriceChild | !tor-gpg | 14:46 |
| ubotu | You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked. How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode. | 14:46 |
| PriceChild | There we go... he's having trouble getting that going and I'm clueless. | 14:46 |
| PriceChild | gah... ubstud not Sp0tUb | 14:46 |
| PriceChild | That ban seemed a bit unfair :/ | 14:47 |
| stdin | it was because some people were constantly joining/parting in here, all @gateway/tor/* | 14:48 |
| stdin | couple days ago iirc | 14:48 |
| PriceChild | ah k | 14:48 |
| PriceChild | meh, can set it again later if it fails | 14:48 |
| ubstud | Hey | 14:49 |
| PriceChild | Hey there ubstud. | 14:49 |
| ubstud | I've followed the directions to join #ubuntu using tor, but it still leads to me the same #ubuntu-proxy page | 14:49 |
| ubstud | I asked on #freenode and they're leading me to you guys | 14:50 |
| PriceChild | ubstud, you're not using the tor-gpg service provided by #freenode. | 14:50 |
| ubstud | I followed exactly everything on this page: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor | 14:51 |
| ubstud | I set my proxy to socks5 and connected to the server with .onion at the end | 14:51 |
| PriceChild | ubstud, evidently not if your hostmask hasn't changed :/ | 14:51 |
| ubstud | Is there something I'm doing wrong? | 14:51 |
| PriceChild | Well there must be seen as it isn't working. | 14:52 |
| ubstud | should I try connecting again? | 14:52 |
| PriceChild | I've very little experience with tor/tor-gpg but afaik, if you connect to freenode's tor-gpg server correctly, your hostmask will reflect as much. | 14:53 |
| ubstud | oh | 14:53 |
| ubstud | hold on let me try connecting again | 14:53 |
| PriceChild | Gah, I've got to run to a lecture, hope there's someone around to help if/when he returns. | 14:54 |
| * mc44 wonders why people need to use tor for a support channel | 14:54 | |
| jrib | maybe they work for MS | 14:54 |
| ubstud | same thing? | 14:55 |
| ubstud | this is what xchat shows though | 14:55 |
| PriceChild | still not right | 14:55 |
| ubstud | * Looking up mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion | 14:55 |
| ubstud | * Looking up localhost | 14:55 |
| ubstud | * Connecting to localhost (127.0.0.1) port 9050... | 14:55 |
| ubstud | * Connected. Now logging in... | 14:55 |
| PriceChild | I have to run sorry. | 14:55 |
| ubstud | ok np | 14:55 |
| ubstud | anyone else here? | 14:56 |
| ubstud | I gotta go. hopefully we can fix this tomorrow | 14:58 |
| Hobbsee | !ops | 15:27 |
| ubotu | Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici | 15:27 |
| ubotu | Hobbsee called the ops in #ubuntu-ops | 15:27 |
| Hobbsee | FYI: open week is on in half an hour, and will last a week | 15:27 |
| gnomefreak | ? | 15:27 |
| jrib | hi | 15:27 |
| Hobbsee | so, if people could sit in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat, that'd be good | 15:27 |
| Hobbsee | i think all ubuntu members have ops | 15:28 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 15:28 |
| jrib | hmm, /me should do that some time | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | yep cleaning up iceape a bit and than i will be there | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | do what call !ops in -ops? | 15:29 |
| gnomefreak | ;) | 15:29 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: :) | 15:30 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: i dont think the aussies will stay around and clean up the mess, this time. | 15:31 |
| gnomefreak | i doubt it | 15:31 |
| popey | righty.. do you want me to "do" -classroom? | 15:31 |
| gnomefreak | i will see how long i can stay but should be here while screwing up/cleaning up package | 15:32 |
| Hobbsee | popey: i'tll just be a question of getting enough people who know what theyr'e doing to get coverage over the entire thing | 15:33 |
| popey | indeed | 15:34 |
| * Hobbsee hands out +z's. | 15:34 | |
| jdong | ok, I get the point, everyone on Planet is posessed by the N810 and Maemo, now can we please stop and go back to Ubuntu topics? | 15:35 |
| jdong | this is bordering on absurdity that every 3rd post is a 10-page article on the maemo | 15:35 |
| Mez | jdong: didnt you know - p.u.c got took over by planet Maemo | 15:37 |
| * gnomefreak doesnt have a clue what that is (thankfully i think) | 15:37 | |
| jdong | Mez: lol if I wanted to go to a distro planet swarmed by evangelism of related but completely off-tangent stuff, I'd visit planet Suse | 15:39 |
| Mez | lol | 15:39 |
| jdong | what the heck the picture of the guadec meeting, the guy in the foreground is using a macbook pro obviously running OS X | 15:40 |
| Amaranth | jdong: afaik the N810 runs ubuntu | 15:44 |
| jdong | Amaranth: meh ok fine, then they get 2 ads :) | 15:47 |
| Amaranth | jdong: I know we have maemo in Ubuntu because of them, anyway | 15:49 |
| popey | ok http://popey.com/~alan/%23ubuntu-classroom.log and http://popey.com/~alan/%23ubuntu-classroom-chat.log update each minute | 15:53 |
| popey | will figure out how to split days at some point | 15:54 |
| * jdong wants to write a script for rigging readahead optimizations for app/desktop load times, but feels the words "automatic script to do .*" have lost the appeal | 16:11 | |
| * PriceChild is in | 16:29 | |
| * Pici is around | 16:31 | |
| Pici | What are you in? | 16:31 |
| PriceChild | Just in :) | 16:32 |
| jdong | stop it, you people are feeding me innuendos... | 16:33 |
| PriceChild | Hey knifehat, how can I help/ | 16:33 |
| knifehat | I updated my route firmware, can I get tested for that dcc exploit? | 16:33 |
| Pici | Since when is it *I* and not *we*? | 16:34 |
| PriceChild | knifehat, that didn't fix it, use port 8001 | 16:34 |
| knifehat | nice.. | 16:34 |
| knifehat | Where can I get more info about the exploit? | 16:34 |
| PriceChild | /msg ubotu dcc | 16:34 |
| knifehat | Why will using a different port fix it? | 16:35 |
| knifehat | Thanks | 16:35 |
| PriceChild | because your router just won't try to read 8001 | 16:35 |
| KnifeHat | OK, can I get tested again plz? | 16:45 |
| KnifeHat | And, can where can I get more technical information about the exploit? The FixDCCExploit page doesn't have much information other than ways to avoid the exploit.. | 16:46 |
| stdin | connect to port 8001 to avoid the exploit, as it says on the page | 16:53 |
| KnifeHat | I am now | 16:55 |
| KnifeHat | I don't want a work around | 16:55 |
| KnifeHat | I wanna know specifically what's being exploited so I can do a bug report with my IRC client (if it hasn't been already) | 16:56 |
| KnifeHat | Does it involve a DCC get with a filesize of 0? | 16:56 |
| stdin | it's a bug in your routers firmware, the manufacture should fix it | 16:57 |
| stdin | nothing to do with the client | 16:58 |
| KnifeHat | Yikes | 16:58 |
| KnifeHat | OK, thanks | 16:58 |
| KnifeHat | But, I'm connected to 8001, can I not get redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic now? | 16:58 |
| stdin | I don't have op in #ubuntu, so stick around for a while for another op to unban you | 16:59 |
| Pici | stdin: did you test him? | 16:59 |
| stdin | Pici: no | 16:59 |
| Pici | I dont have my test macros here.. | 16:59 |
| Pici | KnifeHat: give me a minute. | 17:00 |
| Pici | KnifeHat: you look good, one second. | 17:01 |
| Pici | grr.. | 17:02 |
| popey | can another op take over after this session in #ubuntu-classroom? in about 55 mins | 17:06 |
| Pici | I cant do anything in #ubuntu, keeps giving me the channel not synced error. | 17:10 |
| Myrtti | hmmm | 17:11 |
| stdin | Pici: can't you just op then do /mode #ubuntu -b <BAN> | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | I wonder am I still on !ops on #ubuntu | 17:11 |
| tomaw | Pici: /cycle will normally fix that if you use irssi | 17:12 |
| Pici | stdin: that worked. | 17:12 |
| Pici | tomaw: that didnt. | 17:12 |
| Pici | KnifeHat: you're unbanned now. | 17:12 |
| stdin | it's the manual way, but it works ;) | 17:13 |
| Pici | I tried it before, but must have screwed up the syntax some way. | 17:13 |
| tomaw | hrm, odd | 17:13 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: i don't see a ban matching that address to be honest | 17:19 |
| simonp | Hello. It seems that my (dynamic) IP is banned from #ubuntu. What can I go to get the ban lifted? | 17:19 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: oh, i see what the problem is | 17:19 |
| LjL-Temp | [18:19:54] *** LjL-Temp sets mode: -b *!*lol*@* <-- a rather wide ban isn't it | 17:20 |
| simonp | oops! ;) | 17:20 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: sorry, you're free to rejoin now | 17:20 |
| simonp | still banned | 17:20 |
| LjL-Temp | err, perhaps you aren't | 17:20 |
| Pici | LjL-Temp: Yes, but it also says | 17:20 |
| Pici | ChanServ sets mode: +o LjL ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*lol*@* | 17:20 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: it's set as a permanent ban. let me see what i can do | 17:21 |
| * Pici shrugs | 17:21 | |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: you should be able to join now | 17:27 |
| simonp | thanks | 17:31 |
| simonp | any other nick should be able to join too? | 17:32 |
| Pici | simonp: should be. | 17:32 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: what do you mean? | 17:32 |
| simonp | cool. thank you very much | 17:32 |
| simonp | LjL, my roomate got xim as a nick | 17:32 |
| LjL-Temp | i see, yes it should be possible for him to join | 17:32 |
| simonp | ok | 17:32 |
| LjL-Temp | simonp: please leave this channel if you have no other operators-related questions, as we'd like to easily tell who's looking for us in here | 17:34 |
| Pici | LjL-Temp: you're still opped in #ubuntu fyi | 17:35 |
| LjL-Temp | thanks | 17:36 |
| simonp | ok | 17:39 |
| LjL-Temp | when he asked about "any other nick", i had like a dozen alarms bells going off in my head... :| | 17:40 |
| ikonia | LjL-Temp: wasn't there a guy last week who had about 5 names all the same with _ before and after, like nick nick_ _nick and _nick_ that where all banned | 17:42 |
| jdong | /nick wii? | 17:42 |
| LjL-Temp | ikonia: happens often enough... but *lol* just seems a bit too much to me | 17:42 |
| ikonia | yes, suspicious | 17:43 |
| ikonia | hence why I wondered if it was the same guy | 17:43 |
| LjL-Temp | wii can change his ident :) | 17:44 |
| jdong | LjL-Temp: then claim his evil twin whats-his-name was trying to get in? | 17:46 |
| ikonia | ah right, wii was that pain in the neck guy | 17:46 |
| LjL-Temp | yeah, mii | 17:46 |
| ikonia | surly wii's evil twin is PS3 ? | 17:46 |
| LjL-Temp | i don't think he's that subtle | 17:47 |
| ikonia | kenthomson ? | 17:48 |
| jdong | ikonia: but... he found Christ and vows to behave now! | 17:48 |
| ikonia | oh yes, I'd forgot about that, he just wanted to contribute | 17:48 |
| ikonia | did he get unbanned from the forums or re-sign up i the end | 17:48 |
| ikonia | I can't remember if he's still banned form #ubuntu, I don't think so | 17:49 |
| jdong | ikonia: I gave him the procedure to appeal to the forum council, he never followed up | 17:49 |
| ikonia | ahhh right | 17:49 |
| ikonia | I never get the trolling thing, as you just get banned then your "fun" is over | 17:49 |
| LjL-Temp | not really because you can start being someone else | 17:49 |
| ikonia | then if you ever want/need the resource for a genuine reasons your screwed | 17:49 |
| ikonia | but you have to start again as someone who is unknown | 17:50 |
| jdong | I think they just get a kick out of the cat-and-mouse game | 17:50 |
| ikonia | rather than a team/community member that people know won't mess around on you, so give you the help you want back | 17:50 |
| ikonia | perhaps I'm just a tad old so don't get it | 17:50 |
| ikonia | jdong: you are probably right | 17:50 |
| ikonia | nothing better to do and mum won't buy them alchol or the new pair of nike's to hang out with the cool kids | 17:51 |
| jdong | however, some people I've seen don't fit under that category | 17:52 |
| jdong | some just have a really screwed up way of expecting how order works. | 17:52 |
| jdong | I'd really love to meet some of those types in real life | 17:52 |
| jdong | it'd be a blast | 17:52 |
| ikonia | as in they think they are right ? | 17:53 |
| jdong | ikonia: as in, they don't believe in authority or the need for rules | 17:53 |
| ikonia | ah | 17:54 |
| ikonia | but even rules you dn't agree with you have to play by to participate in life | 17:55 |
| ikonia | thats nothing to do with ubuntu/irc/anything thats just how the world is, and I can't see many people getting far with that beliefe | 17:55 |
| ikonia | belief | 17:55 |
| Amaranth | What happened to doing the +mz thing and voicing only the person running the session (and the person pulling in questions if it isn't an op) | 17:56 |
| Amaranth | (open week) | 17:56 |
| LjL-Temp | Amaranth: dunno, even in the last open weeks, some people preferred to have their sessions unmoderated | 17:57 |
| Amaranth | Should be opt-out | 17:57 |
| Amaranth | Look, people are starting to disrupt the session | 17:58 |
| LjL-Temp | Amaranth: asked soren already? | 17:58 |
| LjL-Temp | hm well the session is almost up anyway | 17:59 |
| Amaranth | Doesn't really work if the person isn't in #ubuntu-classroom-chat | 17:59 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 17:59 |
| LjL-Temp | just set +m "by default" next session | 17:59 |
| Amaranth | Next session will be locked down unless mrevell says otherwise | 17:59 |
| ikonia | Amaranth: what sort of topics are covered in thes esession ? | 18:00 |
| ikonia | these sessions even | 18:00 |
| Amaranth | All sorts of things | 18:00 |
| ikonia | as in the class-room | 18:00 |
| ikonia | ranging from ? it it basic ubuntu basics, or does the topic move/get decided on by $X | 18:00 |
| Amaranth | popey: stay +o please :) | 18:01 |
| popey | ok | 18:01 |
| Pici | ikonia: I think they have a schedule. | 18:01 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek | 18:01 |
| Amaranth | popey: I'm going to be eating lunch but I'll try to help | 18:01 |
| popey | I can stick around | 18:02 |
| PriceChild | rawr popey, your time is over, bow down and get out the way of amaranth :P | 18:02 |
| popey | heh | 18:02 |
| ikonia | Pici: thanks | 18:02 |
| Amaranth | popey: Ideally the person running the session would be in #ubuntu-classroom-chat too | 18:02 |
| popey | sure | 18:02 |
| Amaranth | To do the follow up stuff and to pull over questions on their own if the ops are busy | 18:02 |
| popey | didn't spot that soren wasnt | 18:02 |
| popey | i was picking out questions and putting them in a text file | 18:03 |
| popey | makes it easier to paste them as required | 18:03 |
| ikonia | popey: thank you, I've just book marked some session | 18:03 |
| ikonia | sessions | 18:04 |
| ikonia | why is ubuntu studio covered (as its not an official product) is open week /that/ open | 18:04 |
| PriceChild | ikonia, what do you mean not an official producT? | 18:05 |
| PriceChild | ikonia, the packages are in ubuntu, the disks are done by ubuntu/canonical etc. | 18:05 |
| ikonia | I didn't think ubuntustudio was an ubuntu "official" product, but from what you've just said it actually is | 18:05 |
| PriceChild | And the name is CC approved/accepted etc. | 18:06 |
| ikonia | ok, is it support in #ubuntu for example (my stance has always been no - but its nice to understand the policy correctly) | 18:06 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, cry_ said: what is restricted manager | 18:06 |
| ikonia | supported, damn, I can't trype tonight | 18:07 |
| Pici | !bot > cry_ | 18:07 |
| ikonia | I need to get driving home as there is a session on that schdule I'd like to make tonight. Thank you | 18:07 |
| tomaw | you people cover #xubuntu op queries too, don't you? | 18:21 |
| PriceChild | tomaw, should do yes :) | 18:23 |
| tomaw | cool | 18:23 |
| tomaw | they seem to have banned the whole of cardiff's ntl users. It'll try to send the guy it's affecting here. | 18:23 |
| PriceChild | I think on the gvf we submitted we cover u,ku,xu,edu & go | 18:24 |
| PriceChild | Hmm ok lemme take a look. | 18:24 |
| PriceChild | Hey keithcleaveruk, gimme a minute please. | 18:25 |
| keithcleaveruk | ok | 18:25 |
| PriceChild | ping Pumpernickel | 18:26 |
| PriceChild | !seen pricechild | 18:27 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seen pricechild - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 18:27 |
| PriceChild | keithcleaveruk, I'll remove the ban. | 18:27 |
| PriceChild | gah I don't have ops there... | 18:27 |
| PriceChild | keithcleaveruk, gimme a min or two please :) | 18:28 |
| keithcleaveruk | ok, you know my problem then i assume? | 18:28 |
| PriceChild | *gives himself access there* | 18:28 |
| PriceChild | keithcleaveruk, yes, a blanket ban set on another user affects you | 18:28 |
| PriceChild | keithcleaveruk, you may rejoin #xubuntu, sorry for the trouble. | 18:30 |
| keithcleaveruk | that's great. thanks | 18:30 |
| Pici | I think I fixed my channel sync issues, I set channel_max_who_sync to 2000 | 18:44 |
| nalioth | wish these ops would mind their bans | 18:45 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: what did we do this time? | 18:45 |
| nalioth | LjL-Temp: #xubuntu and their 'let's ban all of Scotland' | 18:45 |
| tomaw | cardiff is in wales | 18:45 |
| LjL-Temp | ah | 18:45 |
| nalioth | <sigh> | 18:46 |
| Pici | pfft, what did the scots ever give is? | 18:46 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: see also the permban i removed | 18:46 |
| Pici | s/is/us | 18:46 |
| nalioth | who are all the unidentified people in -classroom ? | 18:54 |
| Pici | I'm guessing people for ubuntu open week. | 18:55 |
| LjL-Temp | +r? | 18:55 |
| LjL-Temp | actually i think i meant +R | 18:55 |
| Gary | banning all of scotland seems a mighty wise move, they are all drunk :p | 18:56 |
| Gary | elkbuntu, how's the move gone? | 18:57 |
| * Seeker` prods Gary | 18:59 | |
| * Gary likes that | 19:00 | |
| Pici | arg! | 19:01 |
| * Seeker` washes his hands | 19:02 | |
| PriceChild | tomaw, you are a braver man than I. | 19:07 |
| Seeker` | PriceChild: ping | 19:25 |
| PriceChild | I see | 19:26 |
| PriceChild | Naflol12, Fix your connection. | 19:26 |
| PriceChild | meh not what I wanted but it'll do | 19:26 |
| Seeker` | !modes | 19:26 |
| ubotu | There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | 19:26 |
| Pici | d = realname ban iirc. | 19:26 |
| PriceChild | Seeker`, real name ban | 19:26 |
| Seeker` | ah :) | 19:27 |
| ompaul | PriceChild check -uk | 19:27 |
| PriceChild | ompaul, what about it? | 19:28 |
| PriceChild | *has to run soon* | 19:28 |
| ompaul | is that last joiner our favorite part time joiner | 19:28 |
| PriceChild | gah it could very well be | 19:28 |
| Seeker` | "part time joiner"? | 19:29 |
| Seeker` | ompaul: ^ | 19:29 |
| ompaul | joins somewhere zero reaction gets removed joins later | 19:32 |
| Gary | ompaul, who? | 19:33 |
| stdin | any editors: can we get "Help in #ubuntu-effects" (or #compiz-fusion) added to !compiz-#kubuntu ? | 21:01 |
| Pici | %login | 21:02 |
| ubotu | OK | 21:02 |
| Pici | !compiz-#kubuntu | 21:02 |
| ubotu | Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion | 21:02 |
| Pici | !compiz-#kubuntu =~ s/CompizFusion/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion/ | 21:03 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that Pici | 21:03 |
| Pici | !compiz-#kubuntu | 21:03 |
| ubotu | Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion | 21:03 |
| Pici | stdin: hows that? | 21:03 |
| stdin | much better :) | 21:03 |
| LjL-Temp | are these people banforwarded from somewhere else? | 21:39 |
| stdin | LjL-Temp: they were doing that the other day, constantly joining/parting (only in here) | 21:40 |
| stdin | there was a ban on gateway/tor/*, but that was lifted earlier today | 21:40 |
| nalioth | and this is why | 21:40 |
| * nalioth votes to put it back | 21:41 | |
| LjL-Temp | stdin: a banforward to here? | 21:41 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: it was an actually ban now turned into a forward? | 21:41 |
| stdin | LjL-Temp: not sure, unless it's forwarded from #ubuntu | 21:41 |
| LjL-Temp | no it forwards to #ubuntu-proxy-users | 21:41 |
| nalioth | LjL-Temp: tor has not been forwarded to here in some time | 21:41 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: so why exactly are these guys joining here? | 21:41 |
| nalioth | attacks / trolling LjL-Temp | 21:42 |
| stdin | those same nicks were doing the exact same thing the other day | 21:42 |
| nalioth | aimint at channel disruptions | 21:42 |
| nalioth | aiming at | 21:42 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: i can't see how joining and parting amounts to a scary attack though | 21:42 |
| LjL-Temp | especially in here | 21:42 |
| stdin | constantly joining/parting only in here (not in other channels they were in) | 21:42 |
| nalioth | LjL-Temp: look at how it's filling the screen? | 21:42 |
| nalioth | and yes, they are only doing it in here | 21:42 |
| LjL-Temp | nalioth: yeah ok, but it's our own little channel, no real disruption anyway... but i guess i don't understand a troll's logic. | 21:43 |
| LjL-Temp | FYI, gun_de_gray16 keeps doing it in ##fix_your_connection | 21:43 |
| LjL-Temp | suppose he hasn't realized it's not #ubuntu-ops | 21:43 |
| stdin | they just do it to annoy and to disrupt, they get a giggle out of it | 21:43 |
| nalioth | enough of that crap. | 21:45 |
| LjL-Temp | stdin: suppose you've seen AT0M1CB0MB3R's last boutade? | 22:25 |
| stdin | LjL-Temp: only after you removed him, I was looking at something else at the time (but I'm adding a couple more words to my highlight list) | 22:25 |
| LjL-Temp | well, i've added "AT0M1CB0MB3R" for a start | 22:26 |
| LjL-Temp | but i suppose "retard" won't hurt either | 22:26 |
| stdin | heh, that just highlighted, at least I know it works :p | 22:26 |
| stdin | but this is the 2nd time he's been removed today, next time it's a ban. he's had warning enough | 22:27 |
| LjL-Temp | [23:44:02] <beta> Is there a way to enable a restricted module from the console? I can't boot to gnome and need to enable my drivers. Vesa won't work because of Xgl (I think). | 22:45 |
| LjL-Temp | [23:44:50] <Szeraax> beta try asking other channels too. Ubuntu is based on debian. go ask #debian or #linux too | 22:45 |
| LjL-Temp | then one wonders why #debian has "this is not #ubuntu" in the topic | 22:45 |
| mc44 | haha | 22:46 |
| mc44 | you can use restricted manager in the command line | 22:46 |
| LjL-Temp | mc44: how? | 22:46 |
| mc44 | restricted-manager -h | 22:46 |
| LjL-Temp | danke | 22:48 |
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