[00:00] <Mez> ty LjL my CTS is playing up today
[00:01] <LjL> !automatix
[00:01] <ubotu> Automatix2 is 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[00:01] <LjL> for the sake of stripping a couple of letters away
[00:02] <LjL> (i assume the "/msg ubotu worksforme" rather than just "!worksforme" was intentional)
[00:02]  * popey notes that tribalwars page is busted
[00:02] <stdin> stops several people in #ubuntu doing !worksforme I guess
[00:02] <LjL> stdin: yeah i was thinking that. although it's standard practice to have "See also: !factoid"...
[00:06] <LjL> stdin: bah, using antiviruses for wine apps... :)
[00:06] <LjL> hope he doesn't submit anything :P
[00:07] <stdin> I would just reply with "even in wine, a virus won't really do much harm"
[00:07] <jdong> stdin: heh think before you say that...
[00:08] <LjL> if one manages to actually get a virus (and have it do any harm) on wine he doesn't need an antivirus
[00:08] <jdong> stdin: w32api for DeleteFileEx recursive is totally implemented...
[00:08] <LjL> he needs a new password
[00:08] <LjL> that is not known to him
[00:08] <stdin> jdong: the worst it can do is mess with your $HOME, and only when wine is running (it doesn't autostart apps)
[00:08] <stdin> wine still has no choice but to obey UNIX permissions
[00:08] <jdong> stdin: I believe that for the average user, messing up $HOME Can be just as devistating as installing a rootkit in /usr
[00:09] <LjL> stdin: uhm, i beg to differ on this "it will just mess with your $HOME concept" that i so often see stated. *just* mess with your home? that's about the only important thing i have on my system. the rest can be re-installed from CD.
[00:09] <jdong> personally, $HOME is about all that matters to me
[00:09] <jdong> the rest I can grab from a Ubuntu CD
[00:09] <jdong> LjL: +1
[00:09] <jdong> stdin: but you are right that one must run an app in WINE that gets compromised.
[00:09] <jdong> which takes talent.
[00:10] <LjL> i.e. pebkac
[00:10] <jdong> the "correct" solution is some sort of DAC, like Apparmor or SELinux
[00:10] <jdong> jail apps to strictly the access they need
[00:10] <jdong> assuming full permissions of $uid is overkill for 99% of apps out there
[00:10] <LjL> hm i don't love that concept. but i guess that's just because of symbian :)
[00:11] <stdin> maybe we should make a popup saying "Something wants to open %s\nDo you want to continue?" and have it freeze the entire system while it waits :p
[00:11] <jdong> :)
[00:11] <jdong> stdin: haha, but Cancel or Allow is against GNOME HIG!
[00:11] <stdin> good job I don't use GNOME then ;)
[00:12] <LjL> stdin: or "Something wants to open %s\nPlease request a digital certificate from Canonical Inc. (cost: €500) to allow the operation"
[00:12] <jdong> Kancel / KPermit
[00:12] <jdong> LjL: or maybe, as suggested on -devel-discuss, we should turing-test the user with a CAPTCHA!
[00:12] <stdin> jdong: no! "Kancel / Kontinue" :)
[00:12] <LjL> jdong: you didn't discuss that.
[00:13] <LjL> at least, not seriously.
[00:14] <jdong> LjL: I followed up with a more serious discussion why it's not a good idea.
[00:14] <jdong> and I maintain that my response was equally as ludicrous as the suggestion
[00:14] <LjL> jdong: is it the sort of idea that needs serious arguments to be put forward against?
[00:14] <LjL> i se
[00:14] <LjL> e
[00:15] <jdong> LjL: considering that it was a core developer raising the idea seriously, as far as I can tell, yes it did need serious arguments...
[00:15]  * LjL goes install slackware
[00:16] <jdong> lol
[00:19] <LjL> hey, we could force #ubuntu users to solve a captcha before joining the real channel
[00:19] <LjL> we'd avoid botnets that way
[00:20] <LjL> (and when i say "solve", i don't just use the word in a technical sense... they've got so complicated that i could solve a crossword puzzle faster than i can read a captcha)
[00:22] <jdong> LjL: I still like the CAPTCHA I proposed on -devel-discuss :)
[00:23] <jdong> LjL: if we only allow people who can answer that in, 90% of our problems would be solved
[00:23] <LjL> jdong: in into -devel-discuss?
[00:23] <jdong> no, into #ubuntu :)
[00:25] <LjL> jdong: and i suppose you had a particular kind of captcha in mind?
[00:27] <jdong> LjL: something similar to that one I posted on -devel-discuss ;-)
[00:27] <LjL> jdong: ... yeah, thank you.
[02:21] <Moniker42> hey, how do i set a channel to not automatically re-op people when ops is removed?
[02:22] <Pici> Moniker42: probably a better question to ask in #freenode
[02:22] <Moniker42> k thanks Pici 
[02:22] <Pici> I have no idea ;)
[02:23] <Moniker42> Pici, that's usually what "well... to be quite technical, this isn't really the channel for it..." means ;)
[02:24] <nalioth> Moniker42: this is freenode.  auto ops are not necessary at all (nor are they advised)
[02:25] <Moniker42> no, it's not exactly a serious channel though ;)
[02:26] <Pici> There have been problems in the past with random people coming into auto-op channels and banning everyone and doing other nefarious deeds.
[02:29] <jrib> hmmm
[02:29] <Seeker`> 02:29:11- DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from sekio
[02:29] <nalioth> Seeker`: /msg seenserv seen sekio
[02:30] <Seeker`> ah, ok :)
[02:30] <Seeker`> that was quick
[02:31] <nalioth> Seeker`: automation has only shown up in the past 150 years, so i guess so   :0
[02:31] <Seeker`> you mean peopled don't do everything manually? :O
[02:40] <jrib> weird, people are dropping that did not drop on the text one
[02:41] <Seeker`> so is this a botnet?
[02:41] <nalioth> that's what they call it
[02:50] <jrib> if anyone wants to empty -unregged, it is all yours
[02:50] <nalioth> jrib: go ahead  :)
[02:50]  * jrib 's script is mia
[05:06] <HugLeo> please
[05:07] <Madpilot> hmm?
[05:07] <HugLeo> extremely excessive flood in #ubuntu-br
[05:07] <HugLeo> But he go away now
[05:13] <nalioth> someone flooded his lshw a few times in there
[05:18] <HugLeo> nalioth: veh?
[05:23] <jdong> nalioth: isn't lshw like a couple hundred lines per run?
[05:25] <nalioth> jdong: it is.
[05:27] <jdong> how lovely :)
[05:29] <Jucato> don't they get DC'ed for excess flood?
[05:29] <nalioth> Jucato: not the trolls, no
[05:30] <Jucato> bah... ubotu gets dc'ed, but no the trolls... oh the irony!
[05:30] <Jucato> :)
[05:30] <nalioth> Jucato: 'smart' clients don't paste at a high rate
[05:35] <Tm_T> Jucato: ...
[05:35] <Jucato> I know I know
[05:35] <Jucato> sheesh
[05:35] <Tm_T> and still you do it
[05:35] <Tm_T> sheesh!
[05:35] <Jucato> ... 
[05:36] <Tm_T> whumtidum
[05:36] <nalioth> wtf was that?
[05:37] <Tm_T> nalioth: god mocking and then looks like god took his revenge, who knows
[05:37]  * nalioth is now totally lost.
[05:37]  * Tm_T hides the map
[05:42] <jdong> grr how am I supposed to test azureus when nobody wants the ubuntu livecd from me?
[05:46] <elkbuntu> jdong, make a copy of a video and name it to sound like porn :Þ
[05:48] <jdong> haha
[06:17] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[06:17] <Cpudan80> I have kinda weird request
[06:18] <Cpudan80> Your friends over in ##windows would like to host a debate on the merits of the windows v linux security model
[06:18] <Madpilot> windows has a security model?
[06:18] <Cpudan80> As such, we are looking for some experts on the linux security model...
[06:18] <Cpudan80> If you are interested, let me know
[06:19] <Cpudan80> Madpilot: yes it does - the goal of the debate is to spread awareness of both OSs model
[06:20] <Madpilot> try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic - this channel is for channel ops & issues w/ that
[06:20] <Cpudan80> I'm trying to avoid yelling at the masses
[06:20] <Cpudan80> but it can't hurt!
[06:20]  * Cpudan80 puts on rain coat
[06:27] <nalioth> Madpilot: ah, he's in the right place
[06:27] <nalioth> he'll only get a bunch of trolls by asking in #ubuntu 
[06:28] <Madpilot>  <shrug> ##windows exists to collect trolls, though?
[06:29] <nalioth> i think it actually has merit (the idea)
[06:29] <nalioth> the actual production of the idea, may have entirely different consequences
[06:31] <Madpilot> well, ya. a public IRC channel isn't the greatest venue for a reasoned in-depth debate on Linux vs Windows
[06:31] <jdong> nalioth: do you have any familiarity with what kind of channel ##windows is?
[06:31] <jdong> I mean, if it's not a braindead monkeyfest, I'd be happy to volunteer
[06:31] <nalioth> jdong: i've been a channel op by nick there longer than i've been on staff.
[06:32] <nalioth> so, i reckon i've got an idear  :)
[06:32] <jdong> nalioth: is it an environment where one can actually have this kind of discussion without "windows sucks" and "linux doesn't work with any hardware" once every 2 seconds?
[06:32] <nalioth> jdong: i imagine the debate would take place in a moderated channel
[06:33] <Madpilot> hopefully
[06:33] <jdong> I think it's a good discussion topic and there's a lot to learn and discuss
[06:34] <nalioth> because no channel is safe from "my [blank] is bigger/better/etc than your [blank]"
[06:35] <Tm_T> true
[06:35] <jdong> true
[06:35] <jdong> too bad I'm extremely busy these coming two weeks
[09:30] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: dual boot is Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot (x86/AMD64) - Macs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBook
[11:21] <Sp0tUb> !NTFS
[11:21] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:39] <Sp0tUb> Why is Ubuntu so wack? I have just installed my NFTS drive, and then i want to make it writeable, and then it makes an error, and y drive is gone, and even if i reboot, the drive is not there! 
[11:39] <Sp0tUb> y = the*
[11:41] <Sp0tUb> Why is Ubuntu so wack? I have just mounted my NFTS drive (External) and then i want to make it writeable, and then it makes an error, and the drive is gone, and i cant mount it again because it says its stille in /etc/fstab?
[11:41] <Sp0tUb> still*
[11:42] <Seeker``> @btlogin
[11:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Irreducibilis said: ubotu: What is e to the i pi squared?
[12:25] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:26]  * Pici slaps irssi for not syncing and thus not allowing him to ban
[12:27] <Mez> Pici, lol - I got the second one
[12:27] <Pici> I saw :)
[13:47] <MenZa> What's the policy on offensive nicks?
[13:47] <MenZa> (see arschloch in #ubuntu)
[13:48]  * MenZa pokes Amaranth
[13:49] <Amaranth> How is that offensive?
[13:49] <MenZa> It means "asshole" in German, excuse the language.
[13:50] <Amaranth> he changed it
[13:50] <MenZa> ah right
[14:27] <Sp0tUb> !NTFS
[14:27] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[14:31] <PriceChild> Hey Sp0tUb?
[14:31] <Sp0tUb> Yes?
[14:31] <Sp0tUb> Reboot, BRB
[14:36] <mc44> PriceChild: may be something to do with his part message ;
[14:36] <mc44> )
[14:36] <PriceChild> aha
[14:37] <Sp0tUb> !NTFS
[14:37] <PriceChild> Sp0tUb, Hey there.
[14:37] <ubotu> ntfs is To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .  For NTFS write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[14:37] <PriceChild> Sp0tUb, please change your quit message.
[14:37] <Sp0tUb> Why?'
[14:38] <Sp0tUb> Did i brake some rules?
[14:38] <PriceChild> Well because you are banned from #ubuntu.... probably because of that, but I will have to check that.
[14:38] <Sp0tUb> No. its because i had bad meaning about Ubuntu
[14:39] <PriceChild> Well either way, this is not a channel to mess abuot with ubotu :)
[14:39] <Sp0tUb> They banned me because i told about all my problems running Ubuntu on my new laptop
[14:39] <PriceChild> No "they" didn't.
[14:39] <Sp0tUb> Im on Qnet normally, thats why i use that Q-message :-)
[14:39] <Sp0tUb> Ok, one person did
[14:40] <PriceChild> Still not the reason.
[14:40] <Sp0tUb> Im only here because Ubuntu makes my life hard :-D
[14:40] <Sp0tUb> No?
[14:40] <PriceChild> No.
[14:40] <Sp0tUb> Then tell me what it was when you know it better than me :-)
[14:41] <PriceChild> Sp0tUb, the ban was for trolling.
[14:42] <Sp0tUb> I came here to get the NTFS link like u se, but now its the last time! ;-) I bookmark it! :-D
[14:42] <PriceChild> If you wanted help, and asked questions in order to gain support. You would not have been banned.
[14:42] <Sp0tUb> Trolling? Whats that?
[14:42] <PriceChild> However you made such statements as "2007-10-21T16:28:29 <Sp0tUb> nosc, but linux SUXX"
[14:42] <PriceChild> Which is trolling.
[14:42] <Sp0tUb> I did, people fucked up my system by telling me crap
[14:43] <Sp0tUb> Ahh, telling the truth is trolling? :-)
[14:43]  * denny laughs
[14:43] <PriceChild> hey denny.
[14:43] <denny> hiya
[14:44] <PriceChild> Sp0tUb, Ban won't be lifted at this time sorry. See also "/msg ubotu msgthebot". Any further business here?
[14:45] <denny> sorry, was just popping in to check the banlist here - got someone trying to figure out how to access #ubuntu with tor/cgiatwork/some other alternative
[14:45] <PriceChild> Ah yes.
[14:45] <PriceChild> Sp0tUb
[14:46] <PriceChild> !proxy
[14:46] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[14:46] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[14:46] <PriceChild> bah not that one
[14:46] <PriceChild> !tor-gpg
[14:46] <ubotu> You can use tor and still access #ubuntu and other channels that have tor blocked.  How? Read http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor to find out how to bypass all the tor hassles on freenode.
[14:46] <PriceChild> There we go... he's having trouble getting that going and I'm clueless.
[14:46] <PriceChild> gah... ubstud not Sp0tUb
[14:47] <PriceChild> That ban seemed a bit unfair :/
[14:48] <stdin> it was because some people were constantly joining/parting in here, all @gateway/tor/*
[14:48] <stdin> couple days ago iirc
[14:48] <PriceChild> ah k
[14:48] <PriceChild> meh, can set it again later if it fails
[14:49] <ubstud> Hey
[14:49] <PriceChild> Hey there ubstud.
[14:49] <ubstud> I've followed the directions to join #ubuntu using tor, but it still leads to me the same #ubuntu-proxy page
[14:50] <ubstud> I asked on #freenode and they're leading me to you guys
[14:50] <PriceChild> ubstud, you're not using the tor-gpg service provided by #freenode.
[14:51] <ubstud> I followed exactly everything on this page: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[14:51] <ubstud> I set my proxy to socks5 and connected to the server with .onion at the end
[14:51] <PriceChild> ubstud, evidently not if your hostmask hasn't changed :/
[14:51] <ubstud> Is there something I'm doing wrong?
[14:52] <PriceChild> Well there must be seen as it isn't working.
[14:52] <ubstud> should I try connecting again?
[14:53] <PriceChild> I've very little experience with tor/tor-gpg but afaik, if you connect to freenode's tor-gpg server correctly, your hostmask will reflect as much.
[14:53] <ubstud> oh
[14:53] <ubstud> hold on let me try connecting again
[14:54] <PriceChild> Gah, I've got to run to a lecture, hope there's someone around to help if/when he returns.
[14:54]  * mc44 wonders why people need to use tor for a support channel
[14:54] <jrib> maybe they work for MS
[14:55] <ubstud> same thing?
[14:55] <ubstud> this is what xchat shows though
[14:55] <PriceChild> still not right
[14:55] <ubstud> * Looking up mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion
[14:55] <ubstud> * Looking up localhost
[14:55] <ubstud> * Connecting to localhost (127.0.0.1) port 9050...
[14:55] <ubstud> * Connected. Now logging in...
[14:55] <PriceChild> I have to run sorry.
[14:55] <ubstud> ok np
[14:56] <ubstud> anyone else here?
[14:58] <ubstud> I gotta go. hopefully we can fix this tomorrow
[15:27] <Hobbsee> !ops
[15:27] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[15:27] <ubotu> Hobbsee called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[15:27] <Hobbsee> FYI:  open week is on in half an hour, and will last a week
[15:27] <gnomefreak> ?
[15:27] <jrib> hi
[15:27] <Hobbsee> so, if people could sit in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat, that'd be good
[15:28] <Hobbsee> i think all ubuntu members have ops
[15:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[15:29] <jrib> hmm, /me should do that some time
[15:29] <gnomefreak> yep cleaning up iceape a bit and than i will be there
[15:29] <gnomefreak> do what call !ops in -ops?
[15:29] <gnomefreak> ;)
[15:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: :)
[15:31] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i dont think the aussies will stay around and clean up the mess, this time.
[15:31] <gnomefreak> i doubt it
[15:31] <popey> righty.. do you want me to "do" -classroom?
[15:32] <gnomefreak> i will see how long i can stay but should be here while screwing up/cleaning up package
[15:33] <Hobbsee> popey: i'tll just be a question of getting enough people who know what theyr'e doing to get coverage over the entire thing
[15:34] <popey> indeed
[15:34]  * Hobbsee hands out +z's.
[15:35] <jdong> ok, I get the point, everyone on Planet is posessed by the N810 and Maemo, now can we please stop and go back to Ubuntu topics?
[15:35] <jdong> this is bordering on absurdity that every 3rd post is a 10-page article on the maemo
[15:37] <Mez> jdong: didnt you know - p.u.c got took over by planet Maemo
[15:37]  * gnomefreak doesnt have a clue what that is (thankfully i think)
[15:39] <jdong> Mez: lol if I wanted to go to a distro planet swarmed by evangelism of related but completely off-tangent stuff, I'd visit planet Suse
[15:39] <Mez> lol
[15:40] <jdong> what the heck the picture of the guadec meeting, the guy in the foreground is using a macbook pro obviously running OS X
[15:44] <Amaranth> jdong: afaik the N810 runs ubuntu
[15:47] <jdong> Amaranth: meh ok fine, then they get 2 ads :)
[15:49] <Amaranth> jdong: I know we have maemo in Ubuntu because of them, anyway
[15:53] <popey> ok http://popey.com/~alan/%23ubuntu-classroom.log and http://popey.com/~alan/%23ubuntu-classroom-chat.log update each minute
[15:54] <popey> will figure out how to split days at some point
[16:11]  * jdong wants to write a script for rigging readahead optimizations for app/desktop load times, but feels the words "automatic script to do .*" have lost the appeal
[16:29]  * PriceChild is in
[16:31]  * Pici is around
[16:31] <Pici> What are you in?
[16:32] <PriceChild> Just in :)
[16:33] <jdong> stop it, you people are feeding me innuendos...
[16:33] <PriceChild> Hey knifehat, how can I help/
[16:33] <knifehat> I updated my route firmware, can I get tested for that dcc exploit?
[16:34] <Pici> Since when is it *I* and not *we*?
[16:34] <PriceChild> knifehat, that didn't fix it, use port 8001
[16:34] <knifehat> nice..
[16:34] <knifehat> Where can I get more info about the exploit?
[16:34] <PriceChild> /msg ubotu dcc
[16:35] <knifehat> Why will using a different port fix it?
[16:35] <knifehat> Thanks
[16:35] <PriceChild> because your router just won't try to read 8001
[16:45] <KnifeHat> OK, can I get tested again plz?
[16:46] <KnifeHat> And, can where can I get more technical information about the exploit? The FixDCCExploit page doesn't have much information other than ways to avoid the exploit..
[16:53] <stdin> connect to port 8001 to avoid the exploit, as it says on the page
[16:55] <KnifeHat> I am now
[16:55] <KnifeHat> I don't want a work around
[16:56] <KnifeHat> I wanna know specifically what's being exploited so I can do a bug report with my IRC client (if it hasn't been already)
[16:56] <KnifeHat> Does it involve a DCC get with a filesize of 0?
[16:57] <stdin> it's a bug in your routers firmware, the manufacture should fix it
[16:58] <stdin> nothing to do with the client
[16:58] <KnifeHat> Yikes
[16:58] <KnifeHat> OK, thanks
[16:58] <KnifeHat> But, I'm connected to 8001, can I not get redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic now?
[16:59] <stdin> I don't have op in #ubuntu, so stick around for a while for another op to unban you
[16:59] <Pici> stdin: did you test him?
[16:59] <stdin> Pici: no
[16:59] <Pici> I dont have my test macros here..
[17:00] <Pici> KnifeHat: give me a minute.
[17:01] <Pici> KnifeHat: you look good, one second.
[17:02] <Pici> grr..
[17:06] <popey> can another op take over after this session in #ubuntu-classroom? in about 55 mins
[17:10] <Pici> I cant do anything in #ubuntu, keeps giving me the channel not synced error.
[17:11] <Myrtti> hmmm
[17:11] <stdin> Pici: can't you just op then do /mode #ubuntu -b <BAN>
[17:11] <Myrtti> I wonder am I still on !ops on #ubuntu
[17:12] <tomaw> Pici: /cycle will normally fix that if you use irssi
[17:12] <Pici> stdin: that worked.
[17:12] <Pici> tomaw: that didnt.
[17:12] <Pici> KnifeHat: you're unbanned now.
[17:13] <stdin> it's the manual way, but it works ;)
[17:13] <Pici> I tried it before, but must have screwed up the syntax some way.
[17:13] <tomaw> hrm, odd
[17:19] <LjL-Temp> simonp: i don't see a ban matching that address to be honest
[17:19] <simonp> Hello. It seems that my (dynamic) IP is banned from #ubuntu. What can I go to get the ban lifted?
[17:19] <LjL-Temp> simonp: oh, i see what the problem is
[17:20] <LjL-Temp> [18:19:54] *** LjL-Temp sets mode: -b *!*lol*@* <-- a rather wide ban isn't it
[17:20] <simonp> oops! ;)
[17:20] <LjL-Temp> simonp: sorry, you're free to rejoin now
[17:20] <simonp> still banned
[17:20] <LjL-Temp> err, perhaps you aren't
[17:20] <Pici> LjL-Temp: Yes, but it also says
[17:20] <Pici> ChanServ sets mode: +o LjL ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*lol*@*
[17:21] <LjL-Temp> simonp: it's set as a permanent ban. let me see what i can do
[17:21]  * Pici shrugs
[17:27] <LjL-Temp> simonp: you should be able to join now
[17:31] <simonp> thanks
[17:32] <simonp> any other nick should be able to join too?
[17:32] <Pici> simonp: should be.
[17:32] <LjL-Temp> simonp: what do you mean?
[17:32] <simonp> cool. thank you very much
[17:32] <simonp> LjL, my roomate got xim as a nick
[17:32] <LjL-Temp> i see, yes it should be possible for him to join
[17:32] <simonp> ok
[17:34] <LjL-Temp> simonp: please leave this channel if you have no other operators-related questions, as we'd like to easily tell who's looking for us in here
[17:35] <Pici> LjL-Temp: you're still opped in #ubuntu fyi
[17:36] <LjL-Temp> thanks
[17:39] <simonp> ok
[17:40] <LjL-Temp> when he asked about "any other nick", i had like a dozen alarms bells going off in my head... :|
[17:42] <ikonia> LjL-Temp: wasn't there a guy last week who had about 5 names all the same with _ before and after, like nick nick_ _nick and _nick_ that where all banned
[17:42] <jdong>  /nick wii?
[17:42] <LjL-Temp> ikonia: happens often enough... but *lol* just seems a bit too much to me
[17:43] <ikonia> yes, suspicious
[17:43] <ikonia> hence why I wondered if it was the same guy
[17:44] <LjL-Temp> wii can change his ident :)
[17:46] <jdong> LjL-Temp: then claim his evil twin whats-his-name was trying to get in?
[17:46] <ikonia> ah right, wii was that pain in the neck guy
[17:46] <LjL-Temp> yeah, mii
[17:46] <ikonia> surly wii's evil twin is PS3 ?
[17:47] <LjL-Temp> i don't think he's that subtle
[17:48] <ikonia> kenthomson ?
[17:48] <jdong> ikonia: but... he found Christ and vows to behave now!
[17:48] <ikonia> oh yes, I'd forgot about that, he just wanted to contribute
[17:48] <ikonia> did he get unbanned from the forums or re-sign up i the end
[17:49] <ikonia> I can't remember if he's still banned form #ubuntu, I don't think so 
[17:49] <jdong> ikonia: I gave him the procedure to appeal to the forum council, he never followed up
[17:49] <ikonia> ahhh right
[17:49] <ikonia> I never get the trolling thing, as you just get banned then your "fun" is over
[17:49] <LjL-Temp> not really because you can start being someone else
[17:49] <ikonia> then if you ever want/need the resource for a genuine reasons your screwed
[17:50] <ikonia> but you have to start again as someone who is unknown
[17:50] <jdong> I think they just get a kick out of the cat-and-mouse game
[17:50] <ikonia> rather than a team/community member that people know won't mess around on you, so give you the help you want back
[17:50] <ikonia> perhaps I'm just a tad old so don't get it
[17:50] <ikonia> jdong: you are probably right
[17:51] <ikonia> nothing better to do and mum won't buy them alchol or the new pair of nike's to hang out with the cool kids
[17:52] <jdong> however, some people I've seen don't fit under that category
[17:52] <jdong> some just have a really screwed up way of expecting how order works.
[17:52] <jdong> I'd really love to meet some of those types in real life
[17:52] <jdong> it'd be a blast
[17:53] <ikonia> as in they think they are right ?
[17:53] <jdong> ikonia: as in, they don't believe in authority or the need for rules
[17:54] <ikonia> ah
[17:55] <ikonia> but even rules you dn't agree with you have to play by to participate in life
[17:55] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with ubuntu/irc/anything thats just how the world is, and I can't see many people getting far with that beliefe
[17:55] <ikonia> belief
[17:56] <Amaranth> What happened to doing the +mz thing and voicing only the person running the session (and the person pulling in questions if it isn't an op)
[17:56] <Amaranth> (open week)
[17:57] <LjL-Temp> Amaranth: dunno, even in the last open weeks, some people preferred to have their sessions unmoderated
[17:57] <Amaranth> Should be opt-out
[17:58] <Amaranth> Look, people are starting to disrupt the session
[17:58] <LjL-Temp> Amaranth: asked soren already?
[17:59] <LjL-Temp> hm well the session is almost up anyway
[17:59] <Amaranth> Doesn't really work if the person isn't in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:59] <Amaranth> yeah
[17:59] <LjL-Temp> just set +m "by default" next session
[17:59] <Amaranth> Next session will be locked down unless mrevell says otherwise
[18:00] <ikonia> Amaranth: what sort of topics are covered in thes esession ?
[18:00] <ikonia> these sessions even 
[18:00] <Amaranth> All sorts of things
[18:00] <ikonia> as in the class-room 
[18:00] <ikonia> ranging from ? it it basic ubuntu basics, or does the topic move/get decided on by $X
[18:01] <Amaranth> popey: stay +o please :)
[18:01] <popey> ok
[18:01] <Pici> ikonia: I think they have a schedule.
[18:01] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[18:01] <Amaranth> popey: I'm going to be eating lunch but I'll try to help
[18:02] <popey> I can stick around
[18:02] <PriceChild> rawr popey, your time is over, bow down and get out the way of amaranth :P
[18:02] <popey> heh
[18:02] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[18:02] <Amaranth> popey: Ideally the person running the session would be in #ubuntu-classroom-chat too
[18:02] <popey> sure
[18:02] <Amaranth> To do the follow up stuff and to pull over questions on their own if the ops are busy
[18:02] <popey> didn't spot that soren wasnt
[18:03] <popey> i was picking out questions and putting them in a text file
[18:03] <popey> makes it easier to paste them as required
[18:03] <ikonia> popey: thank you, I've just book marked some session
[18:04] <ikonia> sessions
[18:04] <ikonia> why is ubuntu studio covered (as its not an official product) is open week /that/ open 
[18:05] <PriceChild> ikonia, what do you mean not an official producT?
[18:05] <PriceChild> ikonia, the packages are in ubuntu, the disks are done by ubuntu/canonical etc.
[18:05] <ikonia> I didn't think ubuntustudio was an ubuntu "official" product, but from what you've just said it actually is
[18:06] <PriceChild> And the name is CC approved/accepted etc.
[18:06] <ikonia> ok, is it support in #ubuntu for example (my stance has always been no - but its nice to understand the policy correctly)
[18:06] <ubotu> In ubotu, cry_ said: what is restricted manager
[18:07] <ikonia> supported, damn, I can't trype tonight
[18:07] <Pici> !bot > cry_
[18:07] <ikonia> I need to get driving home as there is a session on that schdule I'd like to make tonight. Thank you 
[18:21] <tomaw> you people cover #xubuntu op queries too, don't you?
[18:23] <PriceChild> tomaw, should do yes :)
[18:23] <tomaw> cool
[18:23] <tomaw> they seem to have banned the whole of cardiff's ntl users.  It'll try to send the guy it's affecting here.
[18:24] <PriceChild> I think on the gvf we submitted we cover u,ku,xu,edu & go
[18:24] <PriceChild> Hmm ok lemme take a look.
[18:25] <PriceChild> Hey keithcleaveruk, gimme a minute please.
[18:25] <keithcleaveruk> ok
[18:26] <PriceChild> ping Pumpernickel
[18:27] <PriceChild> !seen pricechild
[18:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen pricechild - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:27] <PriceChild> keithcleaveruk, I'll remove the ban.
[18:27] <PriceChild> gah I don't have ops there...
[18:28] <PriceChild> keithcleaveruk, gimme a min or two please :)
[18:28] <keithcleaveruk> ok, you know my problem then i assume?
[18:28] <PriceChild> *gives himself access there*
[18:28] <PriceChild> keithcleaveruk, yes, a blanket ban set on another user affects you
[18:30] <PriceChild> keithcleaveruk, you may rejoin #xubuntu, sorry for the trouble.
[18:30] <keithcleaveruk> that's great. thanks
[18:44] <Pici> I think I fixed my channel sync issues, I set channel_max_who_sync to 2000
[18:45] <nalioth> wish these ops would mind their bans
[18:45] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: what did we do this time?
[18:45] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: #xubuntu and their 'let's ban all of Scotland' 
[18:45] <tomaw> cardiff is in wales
[18:45] <LjL-Temp> ah
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[18:46] <Pici> pfft, what did the scots ever give is?
[18:46] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: see also the permban i removed
[18:46] <Pici> s/is/us
[18:54] <nalioth> who are all the unidentified people in -classroom ?
[18:55] <Pici> I'm guessing people for ubuntu open week.
[18:55] <LjL-Temp> +r?
[18:55] <LjL-Temp> actually i think i meant +R
[18:56] <Gary> banning all of scotland seems a mighty wise move, they are all drunk :p
[18:57] <Gary> elkbuntu, how's the move gone?
[18:59]  * Seeker` prods Gary 
[19:00]  * Gary likes that
[19:01] <Pici> arg!
[19:02]  * Seeker` washes his hands
[19:07] <PriceChild> tomaw, you are a braver man than I.
[19:25] <Seeker`> PriceChild: ping
[19:26] <PriceChild> I see
[19:26] <PriceChild> Naflol12, Fix your connection.
[19:26] <PriceChild> meh not what I wanted but it'll do
[19:26] <Seeker`> !modes
[19:26] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on Freenode (see !freenode). Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[19:26] <Pici> d = realname ban iirc.
[19:26] <PriceChild> Seeker`, real name ban
[19:27] <Seeker`> ah :)
[19:27] <ompaul> PriceChild check -uk
[19:28] <PriceChild> ompaul, what about it?
[19:28] <PriceChild> *has to run soon*
[19:28] <ompaul> is that last joiner our favorite part time joiner
[19:28] <PriceChild> gah it could very well be
[19:29] <Seeker`> "part time joiner"?
[19:29] <Seeker`> ompaul: ^
[19:32] <ompaul> joins somewhere zero reaction gets removed joins later
[19:33] <Gary> ompaul, who?
[21:01] <stdin> any editors: can we get "Help in #ubuntu-effects" (or #compiz-fusion) added to !compiz-#kubuntu ?
[21:02] <Pici> %login
[21:02] <ubotu> OK
[21:02] <Pici> !compiz-#kubuntu
[21:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[21:03] <Pici> !compiz-#kubuntu =~ s/CompizFusion/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion/
[21:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[21:03] <Pici> !compiz-#kubuntu
[21:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:03] <Pici> stdin: hows that?
[21:03] <stdin> much better :)
[21:39] <LjL-Temp> are these people banforwarded from somewhere else?
[21:40] <stdin> LjL-Temp: they were doing that the other day, constantly joining/parting (only in here)
[21:40] <stdin> there was a ban on gateway/tor/*, but that was lifted earlier today
[21:40] <nalioth> and this is why
[21:41]  * nalioth votes to put it back
[21:41] <LjL-Temp> stdin: a banforward to here?
[21:41] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: it was an actually ban now turned into a forward?
[21:41] <stdin> LjL-Temp: not sure, unless it's forwarded from #ubuntu 
[21:41] <LjL-Temp> no it forwards to #ubuntu-proxy-users
[21:41] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: tor has not been forwarded to here in some time
[21:41] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: so why exactly are these guys joining here?
[21:42] <nalioth> attacks / trolling   LjL-Temp 
[21:42] <stdin> those same nicks were doing the exact same thing the other day
[21:42] <nalioth> aimint at channel disruptions
[21:42] <nalioth> aiming at
[21:42] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: i can't see how joining and parting amounts to a scary attack though
[21:42] <LjL-Temp> especially in here
[21:42] <stdin> constantly joining/parting only in here (not in other channels they were in)
[21:42] <nalioth> LjL-Temp: look at how it's filling the screen?
[21:42] <nalioth> and yes, they are only doing it in here
[21:43] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: yeah ok, but it's our own little channel, no real disruption anyway... but i guess i don't understand a troll's logic.
[21:43] <LjL-Temp> FYI, gun_de_gray16 keeps doing it in ##fix_your_connection
[21:43] <LjL-Temp> suppose he hasn't realized it's not #ubuntu-ops
[21:43] <stdin> they just do it to annoy and to disrupt, they get a giggle out of it
[21:45] <nalioth> enough of that crap.
[22:25] <LjL-Temp> stdin: suppose you've seen AT0M1CB0MB3R's last boutade?
[22:25] <stdin> LjL-Temp: only after you removed him, I was looking at something else at the time (but I'm adding a couple more words to my highlight list)
[22:26] <LjL-Temp> well, i've added "AT0M1CB0MB3R" for a start
[22:26] <LjL-Temp> but i suppose "retard" won't hurt either
[22:26] <stdin> heh, that just highlighted, at least I know it works :p
[22:27] <stdin> but this is the 2nd time he's been removed today, next time it's a ban. he's had warning enough
[22:45] <LjL-Temp> [23:44:02] <beta> Is there a way to enable a restricted module from the console? I can't boot to gnome and need to enable my drivers. Vesa won't work because of Xgl (I think).
[22:45] <LjL-Temp> [23:44:50] <Szeraax> beta try asking other channels too. Ubuntu is based on debian. go ask #debian or #linux too
[22:45] <LjL-Temp> then one wonders why #debian has "this is not #ubuntu" in the topic
[22:46] <mc44> haha
[22:46] <mc44> you can use restricted manager in the command line
[22:46] <LjL-Temp> mc44: how?
[22:46] <mc44> restricted-manager -h
[22:48] <LjL-Temp> danke