| bryce | personally I'm still not sold on ppa, but I think the concept is probably good | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| pcjc2 | It feels a more official place to push debs for testing than my own webspace | 00:11 |
| pcjc2 | I had a brief scan of the 965 bugs to see if any matched this: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11895 | 00:12 |
| ubotu | Freedesktop bug 11895 in Drivers/DRI/i915 "X crashed on i965" [Blocker,Verified: fixed] | 00:12 |
| pcjc2 | need some log files | 00:12 |
| pcjc2 | last I looked, our drm.ko didn't have the fix | 00:13 |
| * bryce nods | 00:15 | |
| bryce | so far I've just been going through and reviewing all the "New" bugs, and either prioritizing them or requesting what other info is needed. I want to drive New -> 0 | 00:16 |
| bryce | after that I'll go through the xorg and debian bug tracker and look for clear matches | 00:17 |
| bryce | then it'll just be a matter of going through each bug and figuring out what's going wrong | 00:17 |
| tepsipakki | so simple :) | 00:17 |
| bryce | it'll be a breeze | 00:18 |
| bryce | well, we definitely saw with some of the bugs this last go round that getting more eyes + activity on bugs really seemed to help push them forward | 00:18 |
| bryce | so I'm hoping just poking at all the -intel bugs, we can stir more people to work on them. Tasks always seem to go easier when more people are working on them | 00:19 |
| tepsipakki | gah, what am I doing up so late.. nite all :) | 00:29 |
| tepsipakki | -> | 00:29 |
| pcjc2 | night | 00:29 |
| bryce | night tepsipakki | 00:29 |
| pcjc2 | ok... seems I suffer from Compiz + rotation bugs too | 00:51 |
| ubotu | New bug: #151300 in xorg (main) "[Feisty] livecd safe graphics isn't (safe)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151300 | 02:35 |
| pcjc2 | Can't sleep, so debugging | 03:52 |
| pcjc2 | Am I right in thinking gnome-compiz-preferences does not play nicely with Compiz in Gutsy? | 03:52 |
| pcjc2 | Bryce: RE. XV on 965, isn't there an Ubuntu patch applied which fixes that? | 04:15 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155619 in xorg (main) "I cannot set my screen resolution above 640x480@50hz although my HW supports much better." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155619 | 04:39 |
| tepsipakki | bryce: note that I crossposted that email :) | 05:38 |
| tepsipakki | to: debian-x cc: ubuntu-x | 05:38 |
| tepsipakki | alioth == alioth.debian.org, aka. git.debian.org | 05:43 |
| tepsipakki | bryce: also, I had a quick chat with gravity about FOSSCamp etc | 05:44 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155664 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "radeon 9200 Pro xorg server can't do 1600x1200 resolution in gutsy Gibbon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155664 | 07:05 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155685 in xorg (main) "failsaveXServer fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155685 | 08:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155698 in xorg (main) "gutsy does not autodetect graphic card and screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155698 | 09:31 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155704 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Can not play video, totem hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155704 | 09:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155708 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "ATI Radeon 9250 hangs on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155708 | 10:11 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155735 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "gamma setting is lost after suspend/resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155735 | 11:20 |
| ubotu | New bug: #106087 in scim "Gaim and Firefox can't get input from keyboard. (dup-of: 66104)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106087 | 12:51 |
| pcjc3 | I bounced LP bug #149639 to the linux-source-2.6.22 package as it appears to have kernel panics as the underlying cause. I'm not sure what (if anything) I should edit in the description | 13:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149639 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Xorg crashes very frequently" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149639 | 13:35 |
| === pcjc3 is now known as pcjc2_ | ||
| tepsipakki | most likely broken hardware | 13:37 |
| tepsipakki | testing an older release should tell | 13:37 |
| pcjc2_ | Or it could be a driver bug? | 13:40 |
| pcjc2_ | I'll ask them to test a Feisty LiveCD | 13:41 |
| pcjc2_ | I added that they should check memtest86 and if it crashes, look out for overheating in the BIOS monitoring pages | 13:44 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155743 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy] Gnome doesn't detect monitor change from landscape to portrait mode, nor does it offer a way to rotate the video output" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155743 | 14:19 |
| ubotu | New bug: #66689 in xorg (universe) "misuses debconf" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66689 | 14:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155780 in language-support-zh (main) "[Gusty] Installation of Chinese language support borks the keyboard (dup-of: 66104)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155780 | 14:55 |
| ubotu | New bug: #154859 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xrandr (or X) can't drive 2nd screen at 1920x1200 anymore" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154859 | 16:23 |
| rawler | quick question about ubotu; how exactly should I read the announcements? | 16:49 |
| rawler | when I follow many of the "new bug"-links, it's not actually a new bug? | 16:49 |
| bryce | rawler: in the brackets it indicates the state | 17:59 |
| bryce | if you see [Undecided,New] then it's _usually_ a new bug | 17:59 |
| bryce | otherwise, it's either been recently moved into x* from 'ubuntu' or other areas, or it's recently had a noteworthy change | 17:59 |
| ubotu | New bug: #151168 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (main) "memory leak with ring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151168 | 18:18 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155910 in xorg (main) "screen wont allow resolutions but the highest resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155910 | 19:49 |
| _jz | hello | 20:29 |
| _jz | anyone has an insight on that weird bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/compizsettings/+bug/108527 Gutsy + radeon + compiz -> repetitive xorg freezes | 20:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108527 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X freezes when compiz is enabled on ATI cards" [High,Confirmed] | 20:30 |
| _jz | i had 7 today :( | 20:30 |
| _jz | ah :) | 20:30 |
| _jz | i am available if i can help diagnose anything | 20:30 |
| _jz | put any debug variable anywhere | 20:30 |
| tepsipakki | _jz: are you still running 7.04? | 20:31 |
| _jz | nope | 20:31 |
| _jz | it happens since i upgraded (yesterday) to 7.10 | 20:31 |
| _jz | it was quite a messy upgrade.. had to manually remove some packages before it accepted to upgrade, but then it went OK and i had to redo the dualhead config, etc. | 20:32 |
| _jz | put my old xorg.conf file, maybe i should start tweaking there ? | 20:32 |
| _jz | do you want to see it ? | 20:32 |
| tepsipakki | yes | 20:32 |
| _jz | http://pastebin.com/m7a089f6 | 20:34 |
| _jz | had the problem using default 16 and default 24 depth | 20:34 |
| tepsipakki | uh | 20:35 |
| tepsipakki | why do people play with the options :) | 20:35 |
| _jz | this is what i had to do to make my dual head work with feisty | 20:35 |
| _jz | if you have some other config file to suggest i'd be glad | 20:35 |
| tepsipakki | yes, a clean one | 20:36 |
| _jz | maybe one could ask to people reporting that bug if they are using a vanilla Gutsy, or if they upgraded from feisty ? | 20:36 |
| tepsipakki | move it aside to see if it still crashes | 20:36 |
| _jz | how can i find one (that will work with my dual head) ? | 20:36 |
| tepsipakki | try without dualhead | 20:36 |
| _jz | i can't _live_ without dualhead :(( | 20:36 |
| _jz | but if it's for the cause.... | 20:36 |
| tepsipakki | besides, the driver in gutsy doesn't support mergedfb anymore | 20:36 |
| tepsipakki | see the releasenotes | 20:36 |
| _jz | ho yes i see this | 20:37 |
| _jz | so i used the xrandr on top of it | 20:37 |
| _jz | how can i get the plain vanilla gutsy config file ? | 20:37 |
| _jz | any dpkg-reconfigure something ? | 20:37 |
| tepsipakki | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 20:37 |
| tepsipakki | or just running dexconf should do | 20:37 |
| _jz | it put me a vesa card :( | 20:38 |
| _jz | i need to put a few things to make it able to use compiz, don't i ? | 20:39 |
| tepsipakki | no | 20:39 |
| tepsipakki | just change the driver | 20:39 |
| _jz | ok | 20:39 |
| _jz | just this and 1280x1024 and Virtual 2560 x 1024 | 20:40 |
| _jz | (pleaaaase? ;) | 20:40 |
| tepsipakki | it should calculate the virtual | 20:40 |
| _jz | it didn't previously | 20:40 |
| _jz | because it's off my max texture size | 20:40 |
| _jz | which was fine with previous compiz | 20:40 |
| tepsipakki | ok | 20:40 |
| _jz | it just didn't draw a background | 20:40 |
| _jz | and had to launch it with SKIP_CHECKS=yes | 20:40 |
| _jz | ok. i'll be back with compiz in a moment and will keep you informed. | 20:41 |
| _jz | so | 20:51 |
| _jz | i'm back. | 20:51 |
| _jz | i put my keyboard layout to "fr", virtual, and the correct BusID (i think it got my integrated crap GPU instead of my ATI) | 20:52 |
| tepsipakki | you should disable the other one | 20:52 |
| tepsipakki | from bios | 20:52 |
| _jz | now the right monitor is 800x600, do I just have to wait for the crash ? Can I try xrander or something to get my dualhead working ? | 20:52 |
| tepsipakki | but it probably doesn't matter here | 20:52 |
| _jz | yes it's true but it's not the cause of the problem i think | 20:52 |
| tepsipakki | right | 20:52 |
| tepsipakki | most likely its a DRI bug in mesa for your hardware | 20:53 |
| tepsipakki | if everything is stable using !compiz | 20:53 |
| _jz | what horrifies me is that compiz is on by default now :((( | 20:53 |
| _jz | i _think_ it is | 20:53 |
| tepsipakki | some hardware is blacklisted | 20:54 |
| _jz | according to all the reporters... i was using it for one hour when i killed X to start again with compiz | 20:54 |
| _jz | mine isn't | 20:54 |
| tepsipakki | have you followed up on that bug? | 20:54 |
| _jz | it's a 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] | 20:54 |
| _jz | nope. i'm not registered on launchpad | 20:54 |
| tepsipakki | it will get lost here.. | 20:54 |
| _jz | i'll try with the bugmenot account ;) | 20:55 |
| tepsipakki | then you can just wait | 20:55 |
| _jz | but having my hardware blacklisted wouldn't be such a "solution" for me | 20:55 |
| tepsipakki | tough :) | 20:55 |
| _jz | because i can easily launch X without compiz | 20:55 |
| _jz | i'd rather have compiz working again (now i can't live without the exposé-like Scale plugin :/ | 20:56 |
| tepsipakki | what I said, wait for hardy | 20:57 |
| tepsipakki | unless someone finds a fix for it | 20:57 |
| _jz | nono i'm a good citizen, i'll fill in my follow-up ;) | 20:57 |
| tepsipakki | which won't break anything else | 20:57 |
| tepsipakki | you could try other distros if you can reproduce it there | 20:58 |
| tepsipakki | now I need to watch some telly, sorry :) -> | 21:00 |
| _jz | OK it hang too with that vanilla config file :( | 21:02 |
| _jz | while ironically trying to configure my monitors | 21:02 |
| _jz | so it's useless to ask if it only does this with people who installed a brand new gutsy, or just with people who upgraded ? | 21:03 |
| _jz | i unfortunately don't have much time for testing other distros.. | 21:03 |
| _jz | what is weird is that it worked like a breeze with feisty | 21:03 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155937 in xorg (main) "SHMConfig should be enabled by default, and gsynaptics should be installed by default on laptops" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155937 | 21:06 |
| _jz | do you think it's useless / not a good idea for me to go back to my previous config file ? | 21:07 |
| bryce | hi guys | 21:09 |
| _jz | I'd love to be able to help diagnose this | 21:20 |
| _jz | does it come from the driver ? from xorg ? from mesa ? from compiz ? how can i know ? : | 21:21 |
| bryce | one sec - reviewing backlog | 21:31 |
| tepsipakki | _jz: you could try disabling dri by putting 'Option "NoDRI"' for the driver | 21:31 |
| tepsipakki | hi bryce | 21:31 |
| bryce | heya tepsipakki | 21:31 |
| tepsipakki | "my name is earl" rocks :) | 21:32 |
| tepsipakki | bryce: apparently the new upstream hal has added support for input-hotplug (ie. includes the fdi-file for it) | 21:36 |
| bryce | cool, yeah I heard | 21:36 |
| bryce | what's the implication of that? anything we need to do to tie into it? | 21:37 |
| tepsipakki | I'm not sure.. | 21:37 |
| tepsipakki | did try it once, maybe all it needed was to remove the InputDevice sections from the conf | 21:38 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155954 in xorg (main) "Xorg ATI driver somewhat supports ATI Radeon IGP " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155954 | 21:45 |
| bryce | _jz, there are some additional tips for troubleshooting X freezes and crashes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXorg | 21:55 |
| bryce | _jz, it sounds like the next step needing to be taken here is to get a backtrace with gdb | 21:55 |
| bryce | _jz, it's sort of technical to do that, but if you're wishing to assist in diagnosing the issue, that'd be extremely valuable here | 21:56 |
| _jz | the only problem is i don't have much time for now :/ | 21:57 |
| _jz | maybe you could ask this in the bug report thread ? | 21:57 |
| bryce | done | 22:02 |
| bryce | _jz, anyway the issue comes from the driver, and if you wish to help diagnose it, the bug needs people to gdb it. | 22:02 |
| _jz | not sure it comes from the driver : some people reported about the same with fglrx | 22:14 |
| pcjc2 | hi all. | 22:14 |
| pcjc2 | Reporter for bug #50048 says it works in 7.10, should that be resolved as "Fix released" or "Invalid"? | 22:15 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 50048 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "Unable to adjust refresh rate.." [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50048 | 22:15 |
| bryce | _jz, it's not uncommon to see identical symptoms on different drivers, but these kinds of problems are generally due to driver code problems | 22:18 |
| _jz | ok | 22:18 |
| _jz | but how to explain that it worked on feisty ? | 22:18 |
| bryce | _jz, in any case, since fglrx is a binary proprietary driver, we wouldn't have any luck running it in gdb since we don't have access to the code anyway | 22:18 |
| _jz | sure | 22:19 |
| _jz | fglrx sux big times (like any proprietary driver) | 22:19 |
| bryce | on feisty we were using the 6.6.x driver | 22:19 |
| _jz | is there maybe a way i could go back to that driver, so we could see if it comes from here ? | 22:19 |
| bryce | 6.7.x includes a fairly significant rewrite of some areas, which made many bugs go away, but brought some new ones | 22:20 |
| bryce | maybe you could test a 6.6.x version of the driver to see if it still works. | 22:20 |
| _jz | how could I do this ? i guess that just forcing a dpkg -i of the feisty package wouldn't do it ? | 22:20 |
| _jz | or would it ? | 22:20 |
| bryce | possibly; I'd grab one from say Gutsy-tribe-1 | 22:21 |
| bryce | or... hmm | 22:21 |
| bryce | tepsipakki: do you remember which tribe we put xserver 1.3 in? | 22:21 |
| _jz | no people reported the problems with early versions of gutsy i think | 22:22 |
| tepsipakki | bryce: before tribe-1, but its the same ABI anyway so the feisty version should work AIUI | 22:22 |
| bryce | ah ok | 22:22 |
| tepsipakki | note that the reporter had this problem with feisty | 22:23 |
| _jz | but i didn't ! | 22:23 |
| _jz | there is a slight variation in the bug | 22:23 |
| _jz | mouse moving or not upon freeze | 22:23 |
| tepsipakki | then it's a different bug | 22:23 |
| bryce | ah, then sounds like there could be multiple bugs here | 22:24 |
| _jz | mine is not moving, unlike the first reporter | 22:24 |
| bryce | it's not uncommon for completely different bugs to have nigh-identical symptoms | 22:24 |
| _jz | but all other symptoms and conditions are completely identicals... | 22:24 |
| bryce | yeah, whether the mouse moves or not is a fairly significant difference for X problems | 22:24 |
| _jz | well... the not-moving-mouse version of the bug didn't happen here in feisty | 22:25 |
| bryce | also, whether or not the caps lock key toggles, whether or not you can switch to a tty, and whether or not you can ssh or ping the machine | 22:25 |
| _jz | i had a very few freezes, but then it was the whole machine freezing, with no ssh, nothing, so it was unrelated | 22:25 |
| _jz | no tty switch, i didn't test for the caps lock ! | 22:25 |
| bryce | of course, on the other hand, sometimes the same root bug will cause very different symptoms on different hardware | 22:27 |
| bryce | like, screen corruption for one class of hardware, blank screen for another, etc. | 22:27 |
| bryce | anyway, I gotta go run and get a haircut. bbiab | 22:27 |
| _jz | how can i rollback one xorg version ? | 22:27 |
| _jz | hehe a haircut is a too rare event for a developper for you to miss ;) | 22:28 |
| _jz | (crappy syntax, but you see my point ;) | 22:28 |
| bryce | can't be too shaggy for UDS ;-) | 22:28 |
| bryce | you can install older versions like this: | 22:28 |
| bryce | apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-4ubuntu | 22:28 |
| bryce | or use dpkg -i | 22:29 |
| _jz | if you're not you'll get noticed ;)) | 22:29 |
| pcjc2 | My launchpad profile pic (short hair) is way out of date | 22:31 |
| pcjc2 | its down to my shoulders now! | 22:31 |
| _jz | E: Version '2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-4ubuntu' for 'xserver-xorg-core' was not found | 22:31 |
| _jz | do I have to enable a special repository for this to work ? | 22:32 |
| pcjc2 | If there is an UDS in the UK some time, I'll have to visit | 22:32 |
| tepsipakki | _jz: gutsy only has one, so yes. or fetch the deb | 22:32 |
| tepsipakki | one such package | 22:32 |
| _jz | hmm... it may sound stupid, but i can't find it | 22:33 |
| tepsipakki | and I don't know what version you were supposed to test:) | 22:35 |
| _jz | one from feisty | 22:35 |
| _jz | the last one from feisty should do it | 22:35 |
| tepsipakki | you'll find it (1.2) from archive.ubuntu.com | 22:36 |
| tepsipakki | pool/main/x/.. | 22:36 |
| _jz | OK thanx | 22:37 |
| tepsipakki | there could be some dependancy problems | 22:37 |
| tepsipakki | but I bet you'll notice | 22:37 |
| _jz | ouch :/ | 22:38 |
| _jz | xserver-xorg-core_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8_i386.deb is ok ? | 22:38 |
| tepsipakki | that's what you have | 22:38 |
| _jz | ha ok ... xserver-xorg-core_1.2.0-3ubuntu8_i386.deb then ? | 22:38 |
| tepsipakki | likely | 22:39 |
| pcjc2 | tepsipakki: How should I close #50048 | 22:39 |
| _jz | wow no dependency problem ! amazing ! :) | 22:39 |
| tepsipakki | pcjc2: "fix released" i guess | 22:40 |
| tepsipakki | or if it can't be pinpointed "invalid" | 22:40 |
| tepsipakki | although, since there were others who had the same issue, "fixed" is more appropriate | 22:41 |
| _jz | I won't relaunch X right now, so i'll keep you informed tomorrow | 22:41 |
| _jz | thanx for helping me helping you ! (hey sounds like "ubuntu" to me ? ;) | 22:41 |
| tepsipakki | np | 22:42 |
| ubotu | New bug: #155985 in xorg (main) "[gutsy] performance regression with i915 xorg driver (glxgears in liveCD or after HD install) " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155985 | 23:15 |
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