[00:00] <nixternal> I am rebuilding from kde svn right now anyways, I have to reset up my kdevelop environment again and start working on khelpcenter and stuff
[00:02] <stdin> just heard an interesting idea, what do you think about a kde4 meta-package to make sure people pull all the right packages ?
[00:04] <nixternal> that is what kdebase-workspace is supposed to be
[00:05] <stdin> kdebase-workspace isn't a meta-package, and people still need to install kde4base-dev with it
[00:05] <nixternal> ya, I thought it was, it just pulls in the necessary libs
[00:06] <nixternal> I think we should have it stdin
[00:06] <stdin> it'd stop a lot of the "Why doesn't kde4 start?" questions in here
[00:06] <stdin> (because they were missing a couple packages kde4base-dev pulls)
[01:22] <jjesse> evening
[01:22] <jjesse> how are things?
[04:47] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[04:47] <DaSkreech> hi Jucato
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hiya!
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: how are you?
[04:47] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech and Hobbsee
[04:48] <nixternal> hiya Jucato
[04:48] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157602625340178/
[04:48] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago Release Party pictures from yesterday
[04:48] <nixternal> heh
[04:49] <Jucato_> yay that was fun :)
[04:49] <Jucato> nixternal: I thought Tonio_ would be giving the talk tomorrow?
[04:49] <nixternal> Jucato: I found out I am, Tonio is doing Thursday I guess
[04:49] <Jucato> grr...
[04:49] <nixternal> you see the link to the Ubuntu Chicago pics I just posted?
[04:50] <nixternal> err
[04:50] <nixternal> ya
[04:50] <Jucato> yeah.. my connection's hiccuping so....
[04:50] <nixternal> I just confused myself
[04:50] <nixternal> OK, let me boot up into KDE 4 and see how this works
[04:50]  * Jucato will have to wake up at 4:30 am to catch nixternal...
[04:50] <nixternal> brb
[04:53]  * Jucato goes for lunch...
[04:55] <nixternal> KDE 4 is looking good
[04:58] <nixternal> holy smokes dude, the effects rock in KDE 4
[04:58] <n8k99> is it 'easy' to set up kde4? can i use it as 'production' desktop?
[04:58] <nixternal> I am going to start using it
[04:59] <nixternal> I built it from SVN though
[04:59] <n8k99> ah
[04:59] <nixternal> takes some time, but definitely worth it
[04:59] <n8k99> i have a presentation at Columbia University this week
[04:59] <n8k99> after that is out of the way, I think I'll build up kde4
[05:17]  * DaSkreech hasn't eaten in hours
[05:18]  * DaSkreech notes nixternal likes pointedlongstick jokes about linspire
[05:34] <Jucato> n8k99: definitely not as a production desktop yet
[05:34] <n8k99> Jucato aw! you ain't no fun!
[05:35] <Jucato> well you specifically had to ask about "production" :)
[05:35] <n8k99> hehe
[05:35] <Jucato> other than that, it's already usable. just update daily :)
[05:35] <Jucato> or every other day...
[05:35] <n8k99> right
[05:35] <n8k99> and kde3 apps run fine on it, if the kde4 app doesn't?
[05:35] <Jucato> yep
[05:36] <n8k99> are you running it, standalone or in a little window?
[05:36] <Jucato> take after beta3 tagging: http://jucato.org/kde/booyah.png
[05:36] <Jucato> until last week, I was using it for 3 days full. but had to use some kde3 apps
[05:37] <Jucato> it's a bit slow if you compile from source and follow the guide, because you'll be building with debugging enabled
[05:37] <n8k99> yes i read that in someone's blog
[05:38] <nixternal> I am totally in love...this is a beta, and people report a bad beta...but man, I am so in love...thank god for KDE!!!
[05:38] <Jucato> the only part that will leave a bit of bad taste in your mouth is really plasma. otherwise, it's ok
[05:39] <n8k99> and plasma is the floating gadgets and such right
[05:39] <nixternal> well I know not to add a systembar that's for sure
[05:39] <Jucato> more than just that
[05:39] <n8k99> i know more than just that
[05:39] <Jucato> plasma is the total replacement for the desktop, the panel, the whole metaphor
[05:39] <nixternal> right now my annoyance is the new KMenu
[05:39] <Jucato> kickoff?
[05:39] <nixternal> if that is what it is called
[05:39] <Jucato> yeah. but even that's a bit alpha-ish
[05:40] <nixternal> I am not a fan of taking stuff from Vista, and that is exactly where that came from..it is the most annoying thing I have ever used
[05:40] <n8k99> so that cicker is the bar with the taskbar on it?
[05:40] <Jucato> is this the first time you've heard/seen kickoff?
[05:40] <nixternal> ya, and hopefully the last
[05:40] <Jucato> that has been in production almost a year ago
[05:40] <n8k99> nixternal i thought you loved vista
[05:40]  * Jucato is shocked...
[05:40] <nixternal> well, since they stole that, maybe they should steal the ability to switch to classic :)
[05:41] <Jucato> nixternal: that's suse's new kde menu. since 10.0
[05:41] <nixternal> Jucato: if it doesn't appease me, I typically don't follow it or study it
[05:41] <Jucato> um. in KDE3, you can
[05:41] <nixternal> so it is
[05:41] <nixternal> but in suse, you can disable it
[05:41] <Jucato> yeah. like I said, still alpha-is
[05:41] <Jucato> ish*
[05:41] <nixternal> I am running this screen with like 50% opacity, that is bad ass
[05:42]  * Jucato thinks it's a bit unfair thought to call/consider it a Vista ripoff...
[05:42] <nixternal> oxygen theme is cool, they just need to get rid of the buttons I think
[05:42] <Jucato> have they "fixed" the contrast of tab widgets?
[05:42] <Jucato> (oxygen)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: how's kopete on trunk?
[05:42] <nixternal> and kwwii's wallpaper is absolutely beautiful..even if it was an accident...I used to use this wallpaper right after kwwii posted it on the Ubuntu Artwork Wiki page
[05:42] <Jucato> damn! your laptop has so many stickers! :D
[05:42] <nixternal> tab widgets look ok
[05:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no idea. stopped updating last week
[05:43] <Jucato> nixternal: last week (I think), there was so little contrast between active and inactive tabs
[05:43] <DaSkreech> !kickoff
[05:43] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[05:43] <Jucato> it was like you were looking at one long line of text w/ spaces in between
[05:44] <nixternal> you know, I don't know why I am complaining about the menu anyways, I never use it
[05:44] <Jucato> hehehe
[05:44] <Jucato> but there's no katapult :P
[05:44] <nixternal> krunner is pretty tight...still not as useful as katapult to me
[05:44] <Jucato> and krunner is immovable...
[05:44]  * DaSkreech pulled the code for twiiter
[05:44]  * DaSkreech is going to try write his own plasmoid
[05:44]  * Hobbsee wanna see kde4 :)
[05:44] <Jucato> although krunner can/should present results other than programs too
[05:44] <DaSkreech> hey man
[05:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: stay with your G*! :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i might for this release.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> we'll see
[05:45] <DaSkreech>  Is lancelot supposed to crash every time you mouse over?
[05:45] <Jucato> is lancelot supposed to even work? :D
[05:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: KDE 4 is really nice...it is very attractive even while some of it is still very well broken
[05:45] <n8k99> what is lancelot?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> I konstantly get konfused as to what it does
[05:46] <Jucato> n8k99: it's supposed to be a launcher... launch-a-lot
[05:46] <n8k99> oh.....
[05:46] <Jucato> unfortunately... it doesn't launch anything last I checked...
[05:46] <n8k99> it needs a k
[05:46] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> the coder blogged about that
[05:46] <n8k99> it'll work then
[05:47] <DaSkreech> he said just call it KnightLancelot
[05:47] <Jucato> hm.. actually it was "launching-lot" (as in parking-lot)
[05:47] <Jucato> http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2007/09/19/lancelot-answer-to-danakil/
[05:47] <DaSkreech> I'm sure someone will make a wrapper that symlinks that to it
[05:47] <Jucato> n8k99: p.s. If there are people who like when KDE applications have K in their name, you can call it Knight Lancelot :)
[05:48]  * Jucato hates it when nature conspires against him...
[05:48]  * nixternal loves the K's in the names
[05:48] <DaSkreech> nature vs asthma ?
[05:48] <n8k99> lankelot
[05:48] <Jucato> I love it when it makes sense
[05:48] <n8k99> kankelot
[05:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: no.. I woke up at 5am to take that brisk morning walk...
[05:48] <Jucato> and it was raining..
[05:48] <Jucato> a lot...
[05:49] <DaSkreech> What's support-ph ?
[05:49] <Jucato> it's a private channel
[05:50] <Jucato> sort of an offtopic hangout
[05:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:50] <Jucato> nixternal: I love konqueror, konsole, katapult, kontact... but find korganizer, kmail, akregator, etc. a bit painful (wrt K names)
[05:50] <Jucato> feels like forcing the K...
[05:51] <n8k99> where Jucato can be found chatting post kubuntu/kde work
[05:51] <Jucato> hahah no... I've been branded as a KDE zealot there :D
[05:51] <Jucato> and a spelling nazi
[05:51] <DaSkreech> kate?
[05:51] <n8k99> i love kate!
[05:51] <Jucato> technically it's an acronym
[05:51]  * n8k99 loves kate!
[05:51] <Jucato> so it's cool
[05:52] <Jucato> n8k99: we were talking about K names. I love kate the app :)
[05:52] <Jucato> and I don't know any person named kate :P
[05:52] <n8k99> neither do I-
[05:52] <n8k99> i thought i'd like to have a girl name kate to fall in love with
[05:52] <Jucato> hahah
[05:52] <n8k99> but realized that'd be a little bit wierd
[05:53] <Jucato> kile and kate... our comic gearheads... (although they prefer kyle...)
[05:53]  * n8k99 is waiting for the next gearheads to come along
[05:54]  * Jucato hopes the humor will be slightly better... xkcd-like...
[05:55] <Jucato> if it was supposed to be funny I mean...
[05:56]  * n8k99 laughs at the gearheads till he wets his pants
[05:56]  * Jucato begins to question his own sense of humor.... :(
[05:57] <n8k99> usually it's because of the juxtaposition in the midst of my akragtor feeds
[05:57] <n8k99> i read from the top, in  chronological order all of the feeds
[05:57] <nixternal> knetwalk is an addicting game I can see
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Karbon14 ?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> yeah
[06:05] <DaSkreech> I played for hours till I beat it on easy
[06:15] <nixternal> Jucato: how do I make Konqi the default file browser again?
[06:15] <nixternal> file manager rather
[06:15] <Jucato> !dolphin
[06:15] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[06:15] <Jucato> that should be the same in KDE4
[06:15] <nixternal> why thank you
[08:39] <mhb> good morning
[08:39] <mhb> nixternal: today is Your Talk Day, right? :o)
[09:06] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[09:08] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[09:17] <sebas> How do I search using strigi?
[09:19] <Jucato> either strigi:/ in konqueror, or strigi-applet (system tray applet) or the Strigi kicker applet
[09:19] <sebas> Aye, but that thing apparently doesn't think that strigidaemon is running (which it is)
[09:20] <sebas> Hm, wait. That seems to be KDE4's strigidaemon
[09:21] <sebas> Ok, nevermind me :)
[09:21] <Jucato> :D
[10:05]  * stdin notes nixternal seem not to be able to spell my name...
[10:59] <Riddell> do USB pens work for people in gutsy
[10:59] <Riddell> insert and get a KDE popup?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a technical question with c++
[11:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to display message boxes with kio-apt, but I can't use standard kmessage boxes for this, it doesn't work
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to use the slavebase class, but I can't make it to work with rich text....
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea on how to do this ?
[11:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should be part of the kio API I'd have thought
[11:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it just looks like unsupported according to the docs....
[11:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: what happenes if you just use a kmessagebox?
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like segfaulting :/
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: "apt:/ protocol stopped blabla"
[11:40] <Riddell> can you use any QWidget?
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea on that point :)
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can manage to do it without ich text support, but that would be nicer, btw :)
[11:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/kio/html/classKIO_1_1SlaveBase.html#cdeda452b508c5092f46fb43378c84ef
[11:43] <Riddell> there's a messageBox method
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what I use
[11:45] <Tonio_>  ip =  SlaveBase::messageBox(QuestionYesNo, i18n("Do you want to install %1 ?").arg(packages), i18n("Package Installation"));
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: no rich tet support with this :/
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: only the "error" type of messagebox seems to support it
[11:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: even if you wrap the whole i18n() in "<b>" + i18n() + "</b>" ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't test that way, lemme see
[13:45] <nixternal> Riddell: usb sticks work here for me
[13:45] <nixternal> mhb: ya, today is my talk
[13:45] <jpatrick> nixternal: does your email work again?
[13:45] <nixternal> ya
[13:46] <jpatrick> hmm
[13:46] <jpatrick> mine dont ;)
[13:47]  * Jucato thinks tuning a violin is difficult...
[13:57] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[13:57] <jjesse> problems tuning your violin
[13:57] <Jucato> hi jjesse!
[13:57] <manchicken> man, qt4's model/view arch kinda rocks
[13:57] <Jucato> yeah... kinda hard w/o a piano.. using timidity + MID
[13:57] <Tm_T> hard?
[13:57] <Tm_T> hum, well, yes if not used
[13:57] <Jucato> no. kinda hard w/o a piano
[13:58] <Jucato> or some other musical instrument nearby
[13:58]  * Jucato has to use a MIDI file
[13:58] <Tm_T> hum
[13:58] <Tm_T> I use different devices with my guitar
[13:58] <manchicken> Eww... Midi is hard to tune with
[13:59] <Jucato> yeah I'll go to my neighbor tomorrow
[13:59] <manchicken> is riddell awake?
[13:59] <Jucato> he has a piano...
[14:00] <manchicken> qt4 will fix so much of what's wrong w/adept... And I know how we could do it in python
[14:00] <Jucato> manchicken: still considering Adept? :D
[14:00] <manchicken> we do the models in c++ for performance, and the views in python.
[14:00] <Jucato> mhb is probably going to kill me for this, but have you seen/considered packagekit? :D
[14:01] <manchicken> I have not. Ask me later so that I can look it up.
[14:01] <Jucato> sure :)
[14:01] <Jucato> http://www.packagekit.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[14:01] <manchicken> I'm on my blackberry right now
[14:02] <Jucato> funky! :D
[14:02] <manchicken> yup
[14:02]  * Tm_T still hasnt got the idea of blackberry
[14:03] <manchicken> I'm so in love with qt4's m/v design
[14:03] <Jucato> maybe next year I'll be saying, "I'm on my Eee PC right now" or "I'm on my n810 right now"
[14:03] <manchicken> I'm on the train and I've been reading up on it all morning
[14:03] <Jucato> hehe nice
[14:04] <manchicken> tmobile is rocking my mobile world
[14:05] <manchicken> I've been playing in pyqt4, too
[14:05] <manchicken> so bored...
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, writing the i18n string the way you sugested didn't help
[14:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to do without richt text, not a big problem
[14:18] <manchicken> Tonio_, wuddup?
[15:51] <yuriy> hmm strange bug in kde4b3, when i try to log into gmail in konqi it doesn't read the password and thinks the field was blank
[15:53] <yuriy> seems it logged me in anyway though
[16:47] <manchicken> Did someone kill basket integration into kontact?
[16:48]  * Jucato nods
[16:48] <Hobbsee> urgh, again?
[16:48] <Hobbsee> why couldnt you have told me that *before* gutsy was released/
[16:48] <Jucato> was it ever fixed?
[16:48] <Hobbsee> yes.  twice.
[16:48] <Jucato> ah ok... I don't think I got the fix yet...
[16:48]  * Jucato hasn't updated :P
[16:49] <Hobbsee> you would have.  both times. they were reasonably far apart
[16:49] <Hobbsee> check the basket changelog
[16:49] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[16:49] <Jucato> I might have not updated that's why :)
[16:49]  * manchicken loves basket....
[16:49] <Jucato> I was told it was because basket caused kontact to crash when integrated?
[16:51] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hm.. I have the last update... but couldn't still integrate basket into kontact. I'll check again tomorrow
[16:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, they broke kdepim again, i think
[16:52] <Jucato> ah I see
[16:52]  * Jucato blames the enterprise
[16:52] <Jucato> manchicken: want the link to packagekit now?
[16:52] <manchicken> Jucato: Naw, I'm in the office tonight.
[16:53] <Jucato> ah ok..
[16:53] <manchicken> err, today
[16:53] <Jucato> well... just packagekit.org :)
[16:53] <manchicken> fscking hate this.
[16:53]  * Jucato would also like to show manchicken mhb's thoughts/comments about it
[16:53] <Riddell> I've been looking at packagekit today
[16:54] <manchicken> Have you?
[16:54] <manchicken> So I'm going to be last to look at it?
[16:54] <Riddell> I really like the idea, but currently the apt backend is mostly incomplete
[16:54] <Jucato> that's a major blocker of course :(
[16:54] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you see my earlier comment about using python for the Qt4 impl of adept?
[16:55] <Riddell> manchicken: I did not
[16:55] <Riddell> mixing c++ and python sounds like hassle, which apt library would it use?
[16:55] <manchicken> one second
 qt4 will fix so much of what's wrong w/adept... And I know how we could do it in python
 we do the models in c++ for performance, and the views in python.
[16:56] <manchicken> Yes
[16:56] <manchicken> That's the feller.
[16:56] <manchicken> Thanks Jucato :)
[16:56] <Jucato> :)
[16:56] <manchicken> Riddell: 100% libapt for the backend (the models)
[16:57] <manchicken> I think if we put the UI into Python that would make it easier for us to maintain.
[16:57] <Jucato> performance-wise?
[16:57] <manchicken> And if we did the models properly (preferably not with libapt, but with something a little better) that would ideally require minimal maintenance.
[16:58] <manchicken> Performance-wise Qt would be doing all of the hard work of tying the UI to the models, and the models being in C++ would scale a bit better.
[16:58] <Jucato> coz one of the complaints about adept manager is speed. probably because it loads the whole list of packages at startup?
[16:59] <Jucato> so is typing in the filter field
[17:00] <fdoving> it's not -that- slow, here anyway.
[17:01] <fdoving> but defaulting to show the full list of packages might not be sane.
[17:01] <manchicken> Well, with the model/view arch, I think it only loads what it needs.
[17:01] <fdoving> yes, it should.
[17:01] <manchicken> I've been reading up on it all day.
[17:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/1780
[17:02] <manchicken> I'm totally falling in love with it.
[17:02] <Jucato> would it be possible to sort of have a delay when typing in the filter field? I mean not to try to filter the list immediately after each letter typed
[17:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is a little patch for ark to fix uncompress support with zoo
[17:02] <manchicken> Well that's simple, you just take the signal handler for when the field changes out :)
[17:02] <Jucato> manchicken: but doesn't Adept Manager "need" to load the whole list at startup? that's one slowness
[17:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you already uploaded my previous changes to kde4, maybe you can upoad that one
[17:02] <fdoving> Jucato: isn't it already? - maybe increase it?
[17:02] <manchicken> Jucato: No, it doesn't.  It only needs to load enough to show the user what they want/need.
[17:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload the hardy as soon as the archives are opened
[17:03] <Jucato> manchicken: how does it determine that?
[17:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: you want me to commit to svn?
[17:03] <manchicken> Jucato: Well in Qt4 I believe the view object requests the data as necessary.
[17:03] <Jucato> fdoving: well I'm a fast typist so I'm sure I'm too fast for Adept :P
[17:04] <fdoving> Jucato: from the view. so only the number of packages that fit into the viewable-list will be shown at any time. we've been using it in mailody.
[17:04] <Jucato> fdoving: ah ok. if that's how it works
[17:04]  * Jucato is not sure what manchicken meant
[17:04] <fdoving> Jucato: it's sane in the way that it loads the next line on demand when you scroll down in te list, etc.
[17:05] <Jucato> yeah. unfortunately Adept Manger currently does't do that right?
[17:05] <fdoving> right.
[17:05] <Jucato> it feels like it's loading everything
[17:06]  * Jucato wonders what mornfall's say is on all these :P
[17:06] <manchicken> Jucato: The Qt4 views actually use a pre-populated collection of data as a separate object.
[17:06] <manchicken> Jucato: I'm talking about what it *could* be.  Not what it is :)
[17:06] <manchicken> s/could/should/ :)
[17:06] <Jucato> ooh when does it populate the collection?
[17:08] <jpatrick> can we now upload to hardy universe?
[17:09] <mhb> good evening folks
[17:09] <mhb> Jucato: killing time then?
[17:09] <jpatrick> g'evening
[17:09] <Jucato> mhb: OpenWeek
[17:09]  * jpatrick thinks judging by hardy-changes: yes
[17:10] <mhb> Jucato: hehe :o)
[17:10] <mhb> Jucato: I just referred to the "mhb is going to kill me for this"
[17:10] <Jucato> ah
[17:10] <mhb> is nixternal on yet?
[17:10]  * Jucato runs away
[17:10] <Jucato> in 5 hours
[17:10] <mhb> ooh, goody
[17:11] <mhb> I am looking forward to the new information I can learn about Kubuntu :o)
[17:12] <jpatrick> being 'devs' we ought to help him out
[17:12] <mhb> jpatrick: just joking, he has my whole support
[17:13] <mhb> or full or whatever the correct english word is
[17:13] <mhb> :o)
[17:13] <mhb> nixternal: good luck
[17:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, you can upload to hardy
[17:15] <Riddell> might not get compiled for a bit though
[17:16] <jpatrick> yay!
[17:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: the debian kde packagers were asking for you yesterday, not sure why
[17:16] <nixternal> not yet, I still have 5 hours :)
[17:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: I applied on pkg-kde
[17:16] <nixternal> jpatrick: ahh, then get in the IRC channel on OFTC already
[17:16] <manchicken> Sorry, I've actually gotta do work now :)
[17:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: probably a good idea to say hi on #debian-qt-kde on oftc then
[17:17] <Jucato> ooh so that's their special channel for kde? :)
[17:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: done
[17:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes please, it would be nice if that's fixed svn
[17:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember you already commited my previous ark patches to kde4
[17:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: committed to 3.5 branch
[17:27] <Riddell> (don't know if there will be another 3.5 release though)
[17:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I meant commit to kde4 :)
[17:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's not a patch for KDE 4
[17:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? ark was removed ?
[17:28] <Riddell> no, but the codebase is entirely different
[17:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah.... last time I checked ark, the codebase didn't change a lot
[17:28] <nixternal> Riddell: I believe .8 is the last release for 3.5, unless KDE 4 takes longer than currently planned of course
[17:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: well that's a good news :)
[17:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: ark is definately bad, so I'm happy to see things changing
[17:29] <Jucato> nixternal: I think I read somewhere, planetkde or mailing list, about a 3.5.9...
[17:29] <Jucato> after 4.0...
[17:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: well my previous patches were commited sucessfully to kde4, but that was long time ago, hopefully that changed :)
[17:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I started working on apt+http protocol fyi, I'm almost done concerning apt://
[17:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds exciting
[17:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll let you know about the status once done
[17:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope you'll not have a heart attack reading my patch :)
[17:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: my code works, but I can't be sure it is nice code, hehe
[17:32] <Tonio_> by chance kio-apt code is nice, so easy to read for my poor coder's eyes :)
[17:33] <Jucato> nixternal: http://dot.kde.org/1192559921/1192574259/1192575042/
[17:36] <nixternal> how did I miss that one?
[17:36] <nixternal> on the core-devel list they said 3.5.8 was it
[17:37] <nixternal> heh, but sebas would definitely know best...he da man!
[17:37] <sebas> Nobody said 3.5.8 would be "it". Only that nothing's planned yet.
[17:38] <sebas> And that last bit is partially wrong.
[17:38] <Jucato> :P
[17:38]  * Jucato gets some popcorn to watch the show
[17:38] <sebas> We'll need to support the new flashplugin in konqueror stable at some point, and PIM's enterprise branch will become 3.5 branch, probably.
[17:39] <Jucato> nixternal: I apologize in advance if I don't make it to your session at 5am in the morning. but I will try as hell :)
[17:39] <Tm_T> wha?
[17:40] <nixternal> Jucato: bah, you aren't missing anything I am sure
[17:40] <Jucato> who knows :)
[17:40] <Jucato> besides, I'm gonna be there to jeer you
[17:40] <nixternal> oh, it seems people want to know why we included strigi and dolphin by default..so that is going to be fun
[17:40] <Jucato> er.. cheer you :)
[17:40] <Jucato> :P
[17:40] <Tm_T> jeer =)
[17:40] <Jucato> haha good luck with that :D
[17:41] <Jucato> even I couldn't answer :D
[17:41] <nixternal> wo0t...Hardy repos open
[17:41] <jpatrick> nixternal: we include them cos..... wait for it... we say so!
[17:41]  * nixternal gets to work!
[17:41] <nixternal> haha
[17:41] <Jucato> nixternal: and just in case, you might want to prepare for a "why was it renamed to dolphin instead of d3lphin?" question :)
[17:42] <nixternal> gimme the answer then
[17:42] <nixternal> because d3lphin looked stupid?
[17:42] <Jucato> nixternal: I have no idea :D
[17:42] <jpatrick> nixternal: are you an motu?
[17:42] <fdoving> i've asked myself that too. probably to work around the new-queue.
[17:43] <nixternal> jpatrick: yes
[17:43] <jpatrick> ah, didn't know that
[17:43] <nixternal> while you were on vacation I had to try and fill in for you :)
[17:44] <jpatrick> it was that last part of obligatory education :P
[17:44] <jpatrick> think you could look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=379 ?
[17:47] <nixternal> I am doing that now...and it is killing me
[17:47] <nixternal> obligatory education that is
[17:47] <nixternal> ahh, didn't I upload that before?
[17:49] <jpatrick> don't think so..
[17:57] <nixternal> does this package fit in with the qt-tapioca stuff? it sounds familiar
[17:59] <jpatrick> I don't think so, it's the KDE4 version of KDissert
[18:00] <Jucato> (it's the qt4 version of kdissert)
[18:00] <Jucato> which runs well on KDE3
[18:00] <jpatrick> yeah, Jucato suggested it?^ :)
[18:01]  * Jucato nods
[18:01] <Jucato> my request, on behalf of user request :)
[18:01] <jpatrick> Jucato: anything else I should rip to pieces?
[18:01] <Jucato> jpatrick: nixternal :D
[18:01] <nixternal> oh ya
[18:01] <nixternal> that's where I heard of it
[18:02] <nixternal> jpatrick: thank you so much for packaging that, I was to lazy to do it a few weeks ago!
[18:02] <jpatrick> nixternal: right so... +1 it
[18:02] <nixternal> I am building it now to install and check out, then I will +1 if you want to upload it, or I will go ahead and upload/archive it
[18:03] <jpatrick> I'll upload, but I think I need someone else
[18:03]  * jpatrick usually pbuilds a package 6 times before he's happy with it
[18:04] <Jucato> bed time!
[18:04] <Jucato> nixternal: again, if I don't make it, don't hate me :(
[18:04] <jpatrick> Jucato: we love you anyway
[18:04] <nixternal> Jucato: nevah homey, I think it is impossible to even be mad at you :)
[18:04] <Jucato> :D
[18:04] <Jucato> hehehe
[18:04] <Jucato> ok g'night! :D
[18:14] <marseillai> !lock
[18:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:22] <nixternal> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[18:22] <nixternal> :)
[18:25] <stdin> nixternal: reminder: "Tell me the secret today" ;)
[18:25] <nixternal> umm
[18:25] <nixternal> oh
[18:26] <stdin> nixternal: and to spell my name right next time :p
[18:26] <nixternal> stdin: KDE Live CDs for Hardy....remind me if I forget that
[18:26] <nixternal> my blog doesn't have tab complete, so live with it :p
[18:26] <nixternal> hahahaha
[18:26] <stdin> heh
[18:26] <nixternal> that is sad, you know I try to tab complete in everything I type in now
[18:27] <stdin> yeah, I do that all the time. especially in emails
[18:28] <nixternal> ya, it is annoying when you try it on websites, and the next thing you know your cursor is somewhere else
[18:28] <stdin> yeah, you press tab then space and go "crap, I just submitted the form!"
[18:39] <nixternal> hahahahahahah
[18:41] <Tm_T> hmmmmm
[18:41] <Tm_T> am I only one with Konqueror tabbar issues?
[18:42] <jpatrick> mine work fine..
[18:43] <Tm_T> 1640 < Tm_T> ok, someone who likes to test one thing from Konqueror: 1. open tab with some webpage  2. paste some other url to tabbar with middlebutton  3. check url from first tab
[18:43] <Tm_T> 1640 < Tm_T> I have pasted url there too
[18:44] <jpatrick> confirmed.. wow, never noticed that..
[18:45] <Tm_T> jpatrick: cant see bug related to it
[18:46] <jpatrick> it's odd, paste it anywhere and it has the same result
[18:48] <jpatrick> nixternal: should I let her rip?
[18:51] <nixternal> jpatrick: let her rip...everything looks good
[18:51] <nixternal> whoa, hold on one sec
[18:52] <nixternal> OK, great!
[18:52] <nixternal> replaces kdissert, forgot to check that....nice and clean, go go go upload gadget
[18:52] <jpatrick> and away it goes
[18:52] <nixternal> do you have archive powers on revu or no?
[18:53]  * jpatrick checks
[18:53] <ScottK> Don't forget the removal bug for Kdissert once it's in the archive.
[18:53] <jpatrick> ScottK: LP: #xxx in changelog
[18:54] <jpatrick> nixternal: no I don't
[18:54] <jpatrick> supper, brb
[18:54] <ScottK> jpatrick: You've filed for kdissert removal already?
[18:54] <ScottK> Missed it by >< that much.
[18:54] <nixternal> lol
[18:54] <nixternal> I don't think he did
[19:38] <imbrandon> nixternal, got a gutsy testing install ?
[19:38] <imbrandon> i need a tester
[19:38] <imbrandon> heh
[19:38] <alteroo> what are you testing?
[19:39] <imbrandon> linux-ubuntu-modules
[19:39] <imbrandon> e.g. a new kernel module
[19:40] <alteroo> ok
[19:41] <imbrandon> alteroo, is that a "i will test" ?
[19:42] <alteroo> It would be but my gutsy is at home right now
[19:42] <imbrandon> k np
[19:42] <alteroo> I'm testing kde4 right now :)
[20:05] <Tm_T> jpatrick: actually, that tab bug is in upstream too
[20:05] <jpatrick> ah good
[20:06] <Tm_T> I mean, I compiled Konqueror from svn and no help
[20:09] <nixternal> imbrandon: what is new with the linux-ubuntu-modules you want tested
[20:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: how do we use cmake with cdbs?
[20:19] <jpatrick> wait, I think I have it
[20:22] <alteroo> Hi nixternal
[20:23] <mhb> what room is openweek in?
[20:23] <mhb> or channel
[20:23] <jpatrick> #ubuntu-classroom
[20:25] <mhb> thank you
[20:25] <alteroo> Wow You can get books from the internet with Okular
[20:25] <nixternal> howdy
[20:26] <jpatrick> wb nixternal
[20:26] <nixternal> testing my bitlbee package before I upload
[20:41] <alteroo> Riddell: Hey Edubuntu in #ubuntu-classroom
[21:02] <manchicken> This is interesting.
[21:03] <manchicken> KDE is having trouble with my brightness changing keys, but GNOME has no problems at all.  Also, KDE (more specifically kmix) is having trouble with my volume settings... but GNOME isn't.
[21:04] <manchicken> That makes me sad.
[21:06] <nixternal> ok, my brightness keys are working...my volume settings though are with you
[21:06] <nixternal> manchicken: do you have an Intel HDA sound chipset?
[21:06] <manchicken> I believe so.
[21:07] <manchicken> But like I said, GNOME is working fine with all of these things.
[21:07] <fdoving> what knd of volume settings issues are you having?
[21:09] <nixternal> I should try Gnome on my laptop and see if it works
[21:09] <nixternal> I would be pissed if it was a KMix issue and not an Alsa issue I have been trying to track down
[21:09] <nixternal> although, crimsun had it working for me at one time
[21:10] <alteroo> My Sounds and brightness stuff wasn't working till right befre gutsy release
[21:10] <alteroo> Now it works
[21:10] <alteroo> apparently my fix broke everyone elses
[21:10] <nixternal> fdoving: probably the same as I....master doesn't work, PCM does, which is an easy fix in KMix...if I set PCM to Master Channel, vol+/- work again, but mute doesn't work correctly
[21:11] <fdoving> funny.
[21:12] <nixternal> I am glad my sound problems make you laugh ;p
[21:13]  * ScottK ponders installing a sound click of fdoving's laugh as the default bell sound on nixternal's machine.
[21:13] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:13] <ScottK> click/clip
[21:14] <fdoving> nixternal: are the issues with the multimedia-keys only, or kmix in general?
[21:20] <nixternal> the multimedia keys are bound to controlling kmix
[21:21] <nixternal> the issues are with alsa. they have fixed it a couple of times, only to regress
[21:21] <fdoving> oki, i know kmilo have its own set of issues.
[21:22] <nixternal> so what are everyone's plans for Hardy?
[21:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: staying alive
[21:23] <nixternal> heh
[21:23] <jpatrick> nixternal: package, code, stuff
[21:23] <nixternal> staying awake is mine
[21:23] <Tm_T> seriously
[21:24] <nixternal> jpatrick: any new code you are looking at?
[21:24] <mhb> nixternal: what are yours?
[21:24] <nixternal> mhb: packaging what you create in Python :)
[21:24] <jpatrick> nixternal: mainly katapult
[21:24] <nixternal> KDE 4 is probably mine, hoping we get a LiveCD rolling for KDE 4
[21:24] <mhb> yay for nixternal
[21:24] <nixternal> I will do my typical, but I plan on working more with KDE during this release possibly
[21:25] <jpatrick> yeah, I'll try and port katapult to kde4
[21:25] <nixternal> please do :)
[21:25] <nixternal> unless they make some changes to KRunner, I am going to need Katapult in KDE 4
[21:26] <jpatrick> I'm doing my best :)
[21:26] <nixternal> you know, if they don't want it, see if you could at least work with the KRunner people so you can get some of the functionality at least incorporated
[21:26] <nixternal> although, if your build it, they will come is a good motto to have for it :)
[21:27] <nixternal> mhb: I would like to get more involved here though in coding (c++/qt/kde)
[21:27] <nixternal> and start picking up python a lot more
[21:27] <jpatrick> nixternal: krunner intergration is a goal for 0.5.
[21:27] <jpatrick> hmm, just like me :)
[21:28] <nixternal> everyone loves Python but me...so there has to be a reason for it...it is obviously a great scripting language, and I am hoping I can learn to like it
[21:28]  * ScottK is still waiting for nixternal's pinentry-qt4 port.
[21:28] <jpatrick> nixternal: I have a great place for prog ebooks if you need any...
[21:28] <nixternal> plus, PyCon 2008 is in Chicago, so I need to look cool for that :D
[21:28] <nixternal> ScottK: oh ya, I can finally get to work on that
[21:29] <nixternal> jpatrick: yes please! I have the main Python ebook, and I have 4 Python books here
[21:29] <nixternal> oh, shoot, there is a PyQt4 book coming out!
[21:29]  * ScottK will probably work on browbeating nixternal into doing pinentry-qt4 and trying to see if encryption can be made to work in Kmail for KDE4.
[21:29] <jpatrick> nixternal: knowfree.net
[21:29] <mhb> nixternal: that's great! Feel free to just ask questions whenever you feel like it
[21:30] <mhb> about coding, that is
[21:30] <nixternal> http://tinyurl.com/3yh7ab
[21:31] <nixternal> mhb: you will definitely get hounded with Python stuff...I have been doing C++ STL for a long time, and working with Qt3 stuff in the past, and now trying to refamiliarize myself a little more with Qt4 and the KDE APIs
[21:31] <nixternal> great, I hear Star Wars on my TV, and I have a talk in 30 minutes :)
[21:32] <nixternal> thankfully there are only a couple of hundred people in the classroom
[21:32] <mhb> dum dum dum dum da dum dum da dum (the imperial march)
[21:32] <nixternal> err, almost 300
[21:32] <nixternal> yup
[21:32] <nixternal> hehe
[21:45] <jpatrick> mhb: do you think you could help me make my katapult branch rerunable again? :)
[21:46] <jpatrick> for some reason it stopped working after I upgraded to gutsy
[21:48] <mhb> jpatrick: hmm, I can try
[21:49] <jpatrick> mhb: it's at: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jpatrick/katapult/jpatrick-devel
[21:51]  * ScottK notes that the first Hardy auto-sync is now past K...
[21:51] <nixternal> so that means it is past my bitlbee upload then :)
[21:51] <nixternal> how long has it been autosyncing?
[21:52] <nixternal> I can probably do a dist upgrade this week then :)
[21:52] <nixternal> I can't stand these stable releases :p
[21:52] <ScottK> Dunno.  I've just been looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy every now and then.
[21:52] <mhb> nixternal: is your talk in 6 minutes or so?
[21:52] <nixternal> yes
[21:52] <nixternal> ahh, hitting the libs now
[21:52] <mhb> nixternal: good :o) I am so sleepy only the thought of your talk keeps me awake :o)
[21:53] <nixternal> hah
[21:55] <mhb> jpatrick: what exactly you need help with?
[21:55] <mhb> awww
[22:50] <ryanakca> Anybody feel like joining me in a question answering spree? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[22:50]  * ryanakca wishes there was a way to seperate ubuntu and kubuntu questions... kindof like a radio or drop down menu that the user can pick from when answering... that way we don't have to sort threw Ubuntu questions to find ours ;)
[22:53] <Riddell> aren't they sorted by package?
[22:54] <Riddell> #ubuntu-classroom is quite a question spree
[22:57] <Rudd-X> hai guise
[22:57] <Rudd-X> any mentoring tasks involving python available?
[22:59] <Riddell> Rudd-X: want something random? (but useful)
[23:00] <Rudd-X> Riddell: yes
[23:03] <Riddell> Rudd-X: make user group selection in userconfig from kde-guidance more like it is in /usr/bin/users-admin from gnome-system-tools
[23:03] <Riddell> so instead of a list of groups, have a dropdown with profiles (admin, desktop, unprivilaged)
[23:03] <Riddell> and presumably an advanced option for it
[23:05] <Rudd-X> sounds interesting
[23:05] <Rudd-X> let me install gnome-system-tools and open userconfig to take a peek at what you mean
[23:17] <Rudd-X> gonna get some beerz and a kate is gonna open userconfig to see what magic we can do.  it seems like an easy enough joblet.
[23:17] <Rudd-X> thanks for the tip Riddell
[23:18] <Riddell> Rudd-X: let us know if you need help
[23:18] <Riddell> hi ttread
[23:18] <ttread> Hi Riddell
[23:32] <Riddell> nixternal: rocking
[23:32] <Riddell> I won't be about for the one on thursday, good luck with that
[23:33] <Riddell> would be good to have it announced in #kubuntu (and here) beforehand
[23:33] <Riddell> and also make sure someone is doing questions
[23:33] <nixternal> Riddell: most definitely
[23:33] <nixternal> ya, I got a new battery for my mouse now :)
[23:33] <nixternal> and a stellar head ache
[23:34] <Riddell> my mouse doesn't need batteries, it has this novel invention called a wire :)
[23:34] <nixternal> lol
[23:34] <nixternal> I may end up going back to one of those...I did for my desktop, but not my laptop yet
[23:35] <nixternal> hahaha, that is funny....this novel invention called a wire
[23:36] <nixternal> the mouse going dead though is proof that KDE isn't all pointy-clicky :)
[23:36] <nixternal> I just couldn't copy and paste in a screen
[23:36] <ScottK> nixternal: No, that's vista.  You should talk.
[23:36] <nixternal> actually, I hear that KDE is to pointy-clicky at the past 4 KDE 4 talks I have given
[23:37] <ScottK> Compare to?
[23:37] <nixternal> and people always ask "are they going to tone down the configs and get rid of pointy-clicky"
[23:37] <nixternal> I only use my house to copy and paste really
[23:37]  * ScottK wonders what possible objection there would be to config choices one needn't mess with.
[23:37] <ScottK> That's probalby hard on you computer?
[23:38] <ScottK> probalby/probably
[23:38] <ScottK> That or house/mouse
[23:39] <nixternal> are the KDE 4 package issues from Beta 2 in Beta 3? not package issues, but not having a proper plasma setup?
[23:39] <nixternal> heh
[23:40] <stdin> plasma was almost totally in playground/base when beta2 was out, so it couldn't really be packaged
[23:40] <begert_> hey guys, great presentation today
[23:40] <nixternal> hrmm, the funny thing is this, I had plasma after installing kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase last night from svn
[23:40] <nixternal> thanks begert_
[23:41] <nixternal> I had a prepared talk setup, but I think just having it as an open forum, since most people already know what kde is, and I know what they were going to ask ahead of time, well almost
[23:41] <stdin> nixternal: yep, a lot has been merged in to kdebase/workspace now
[23:41] <nixternal> hrmm, I have a guy who installed kdebase-workspace and kde4base-dev and doesn't have plasma, the K menu thing
[23:41] <begert_> it had a different flow than some of the other talks, but went well and was very audience driven
[23:42] <stdin> sometimes it gets knocked out of the way by the clock and the system tray
[23:42] <stdin> I find it helps to *gulp* "rm -r ~/.kde4", or just move it
[23:43] <nixternal> begert_: ya, the reason I went audience driven was because I wanted to know what everyone was expecting...I could sit there for 45 minutes with a prepared talk and bore you to death, and then give you 15 minutes to ask questions, or I could just open it up and let you flow
[23:43] <stdin> well, we had about 1.5 hours of straight questions and answers, so that was interesting :p
[23:44] <Rudd-X> only now it finished=
[23:44] <Rudd-X> ?
[23:44] <Rudd-X> wow
[23:45] <begert_> I was at work and didn't want to leave because I liked how well it was going, so I left at 6 instead of slightly after 5 :P
[23:45] <Riddell> nixternal: he will have plasma (not in his normal path of course), there's no k-menu
[23:46] <nixternal> ya, you have to add the applet for KMenu, but when he does, he gets that "can't create object" thing
[23:46] <nixternal> application launcher is what it is called
[23:47] <stdin> I think I get that with the beta packages (I mostly use my svn install so not 100% sure)
[23:53] <Rudd-X> qlistwidget...
[23:53] <Rudd-X> question for you guys
[23:54] <Rudd-X> qlistwidget can take children widgets in its rows?
[23:54] <Rudd-X> (like GtkTreeView?)
[23:55] <Rudd-X> hullo?
[23:56] <nixternal> Rudd-X: yes
[23:57] <nixternal> sorry, was out with the dogs
[23:57] <nixternal> you can use QListWidgetItem, and I don't know what other children it can take
[23:57] <nixternal> you can use QString, QListWidgetItem and QStringList it seems