[00:00] <kudar> i cant cd to it though
[00:00] <kudar> it says it doesn't exist
[00:00] <stdin> kudar: make sure you run that after tar and in the /usr/src directory
[00:00] <WaltzingAlong> rob: and you might just as well follow the beta3 instructions
[00:00] <rob> WaltzingAlong, do you know of a link?
[00:00] <WaltzingAlong> rob:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[00:00] <rob> WaltzingAlong, thanks :)
[00:00] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: do you know the name of the module? sudo modprobe <module> will load it. if it works add it to /etc/moduls so it's loaded at startup.
[00:01] <stdin> rob: the i386 packages are on kubuntu.org for Edgy, they are in universe for gutsy (with amd64 packages)
[00:01] <kudar> stdin: i did. and where does /usr/src come in to this?
[00:01] <rob> stdin, yeah following the link above, so there are amd64 packages which is good :D
[00:01] <stdin> kudar: because that's the place the archive of the source goes
[00:02]  * rob wonders if kde4 is socks-nocking-off better then kde3 yet
[00:02] <stdin> rob: almost :p
[00:03] <rob> stdin, awesome.. I used to use Kde a long time ago and was hoping Kde4 might convince me to convert back :)
[00:03] <kudar> stdin: is this missing something
[00:03] <kudar> stdin: ln -s linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source
[00:03] <stdin> rob: it will be great, but it's not great right now
[00:04] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: lshw | less and look for multimedia. it will show you what device you have.
[00:04] <stdin> rob: not the packages anyway, from svn it's nice
[00:04] <Dragnslcr> ScorpKing- name of the module is what I'm trying to remember. It's an onboard nVidia sound chip
[00:04] <kudar> oh, not it isnt
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> ScorpKing- MCP55, to be specific
[00:06] <kudar> in the lib/modules/generic folder it says 'source' requires arguments
[00:06] <kudar> stdin: ^---
[00:07] <kudar> its like im trying to put a link somewhere that doesn't exist
[00:07] <kudar> so you put a link in the archive of the source?
[00:07] <stdin> kudar: try "sudo ln -fs linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source"
[00:08] <stdin> or "sudo ln -fs /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/source"
[00:09] <kudar> stdin: THAT WORKED@!#$
[00:09] <stdin> good
[00:09] <kudar> stdin: what was the difference?
[00:09] <kudar> f?
[00:10] <stdin> -f forces it, overwrites a link that was already there
[00:10] <kudar> ok now here is the question
[00:10] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: does lsmod | grep mcp scow anything usefull? also run sudo updatedb and then locate mcp | grep .so and see if you can find the module.
[00:11] <ScorpKing> show*
[00:11] <kudar> stdin: now that i  built the module. how do i know where to install the module
[00:11] <kudar> or will 'make install' take care of that for me
[00:11] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: good luck. i have to go.
[00:11] <stdin> "sudo make install" will
[00:11] <smax> hi
[00:11] <ScorpKing> nite guys! have fun. ;)
[00:11] <smax> whats a nice bit-torrent program ?
[00:12] <aj_> ktorrent
[00:12] <vzduch> smax: define 'nice'
[00:13] <kudar> stdin:
[00:13] <kudar> Don't forget to copy firmware to your hotplug's firmware directory
[00:13] <kudar> and have the hotplug tools in place.
[00:13] <kudar> wtf
[00:13] <smax> vzduch: you know... nice
[00:14] <stdin> kudar: I'm guessing it means /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/
[00:14] <kudar> stdin: what do i put in there?
[00:15] <stdin> what it said, you're the one compiling whatever it is you're compiling
[00:16] <stdin> README and INSTALL files make a good read
[00:16] <scheater6> smax: well, I personally like the fact that Ktorrent is so well integrated into KDE.
[00:17] <user_> всем привет, кто может подсказать как в kopete отключить передачу уведомлений о наборе текста и отправку сообщдений по Ентеру
[00:17] <kudar> stdin: readme and install are not helping
[00:17] <kudar> stdin:
[00:17] <kudar> compatible/iwl4965.ko compatible/iwl3945.ko (s) installed into:
[00:17] <kudar>         /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[00:17] <kudar> shit
[00:17] <kudar> i didn't mean to do that
[00:17] <stdin> !language
[00:17] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[00:18] <stdin> !ru | user_
[00:18] <ubotu> user_: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[00:18] <aj_> hey, can someone help me with my sound missing and/or kopete crashing when i try to connect to msn?(this happened after i installed gutsy gibbon)
[00:18] <WaltzingAlong> user_:
[00:18] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[00:18] <aj_> thanks
[00:18] <kudar> stdin: should i put iwl4965.ko into lib/firmware/s.6.22-14-generic?
[00:19] <stdin> kudar: no, .ko is a module, it get's installed with "sudo make install"
[00:20] <kudar> stdin: it tells me to install the firmware in /lib/firmware
[00:20] <kudar> stdin: but i don tknow what it is it wants me to put in there
[00:20] <kudar> the folder i untarred?
[00:21] <stdin> kudar: would there be any .ucode files in there somewhere?
[00:22] <kudar> ya but im not to that step yet
[00:22] <stdin> well, that's the firmware
[00:22] <kudar> it wants me to wget the ucode file
[00:22] <kudar> ok
[00:22] <stdin> and that firmware/module is in gutsy already
[00:22] <kudar> im a noob man... maybe im misinterpreting it
[00:22] <gribouille> hi
[00:22] <gribouille> can someone tell me how I can install firefox ?
[00:23] <stdin> gribouille: open Adept Manager (KMenu -> System > Adept) and install the package called "firefox"
[00:23] <dedi> can i modify the keymapping of a special keyboard (only numbad keyboard)?
[00:24] <gribouille> stdin: but it is greyed. I can't select it
[00:24] <stdin> gribouille: then try opening konsole and do "sudo apt-get install firefox" (if there is an error then post it to the pastebin site linked in the topic)
[00:25] <gribouille> stdin:
[00:25] <gribouille> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:25] <gribouille> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:25] <gribouille> is only available from another source
[00:25] <Alloosh> hi guys, I just installed windows application using wine, where can I open it, where is program files located>
[00:25] <Alloosh> ?
[00:26] <MurielGodoi_> Alloosh: ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files
[00:26] <gribouille> stdin: aby idea ?
[00:26] <stdin> gribouille: ok, open adept again, then go to Adept > Manage Repositories  and mark all the boxes on the 1st tab, then it should be installable
[00:27] <kudar> stdin: it tells me to use cp command
[00:27] <kudar> stdin: cp command not found
[00:27] <stdin> not "cp command", the "cp" command
[00:28] <gribouille> stdin: I selected everything except source code
[00:29] <stdin> gribouille: that's ok, it should ask to reload the package cache, say yes then it should be available
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> Anyone else using a sound card/chip that uses the snd_hda_intel module in 7.10? It looks like the module is in a different location now, and modprobe can't load it
[00:29] <gribouille> stdin: is it possible to reload the package cache from the command line ?
[00:30] <yonkeltron> so, i have this issue with sleep...it goes down and comes up fine from sleep. the issue is that i've set my lid to be the switch for it to know to sleep and it only goess down for sleep the first time the lid is closed. after that, when i close the lid it stays on but turns off the screen. however, if i log out of X and log back in, it will restart the pattern of sleep-once and then don't
[00:30] <stdin> gribouille: it is, but you can do it from adept manually to, by clicking Fetch Updates. the command line way is "sudo apt-get update"
[00:31] <ove> good night from denmark to all of you here...
[00:32] <gribouille> stdin: ok, thanks. just a little problem : the version of firefox I got is 2.0.0.6, while the latest firefox vresion is 2.0.0.8
[00:33] <stdin> gribouille: that's the latest version in the repositories, a newer version may be releases sometime
[00:34] <gribouille> stdin: are available packages quite recent or not ?
[00:34] <vzduch> gribouille: at least you have 2.0.0.6, my Fedora 7 still runs on 2.0.0.5  o0
[00:34] <galathal1on> eth0:avah <--- what is avah?
[00:34] <gribouille> vzduch: and opensuse has 2.0.0.8
[00:34] <stdin> galathal1on: avahe
[00:34] <galathal1on> stdin: ?
[00:34] <stdin> gribouille: some packages are newer than others, most are more stable than new
[00:35] <stdin> galathalion: it helps if you don't change your nick when you want me to reply
[00:35] <galathalion> sry :>
[00:35] <gribouille> stdin: are ubuntu packages more recent than debian packages ?
[00:36] <vzduch> gribouille: openSUSE is brandnew
[00:36] <BluesKaj> don't think there's much of a diff between the latest FF versions , other than plugging vulnerabilities running in windows
[00:36] <stdin> galathalion: avahi (not avahe) is the new name for zeroconf, it lets you participate in a network with no DHCP and no static addresses
[00:36] <vzduch> (well, Gutsy is too, but at the time of feature-freeze Firefox was 2.0.0.6, I guess
[00:36] <vzduch> )
[00:36] <stdin> gribouille: ubuntu uses packages from debian unstable, then modifies some a bit
[00:37] <gribouille> stdin: so, they should be fairly recent
[00:37] <fluffman> yeah running a FF that's two versions behind is kinda :P
[00:37] <stdin> gribouille: yeah, there are certain rules about when a package can be updated. but generally you won't find a package more than a couple months out of date from the latest release
[00:38] <galathalion> stdin: how did it happen?
[00:38] <galathalion> stdin: never seen it before
[00:38] <stdin> galathalion: it happens when you get no offers from DHCP
[00:38] <BluesKaj> fluffman, don't think you'd even notive the diff
[00:39] <BluesKaj> notice
[00:39] <fluffman> true
[00:39] <galathalion> stdin: ok thnx
[00:39] <BluesKaj> early adopters think it's so cool , stability is more important IMO
[00:39] <TheDude> how do you get restricted formats?
[00:40] <BluesKaj> anyway ...konq is my browser of choice now
[00:40] <fluffman> ACK! Konqueror!  >:[
[00:40] <BluesKaj> !restricted formats | TheDude
[00:40] <ubotu> TheDude: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[00:41] <fluffman> I can't get used to it
[00:41] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:41] <BluesKaj> i didn't like it at first either , but it's so stable and safe
[00:42] <fluffman> I guess I didn't play around in it much
[00:42] <WaltzingAlong> consistency is fairness
[00:42] <fluffman> but without adblock + noscript, it's going to take a lot to beat Firefox
[00:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, it takes a bit of tweaking and fooling around to get it right
[00:42] <BluesKaj> konq has adblock
[00:42] <angasule> I did aptitude search vdrift and only vdrift-data shows up, it suggests vdrift but it's not in the repos!?
[00:43] <fluffman> BluesKaj: does it have per-site javascript options?
[00:43] <vzduch> !info vdrift
[00:43] <ubotu> Package vdrift does not exist in gutsy
[00:43] <Not_Sure> In Kate, is it possible to increase font size by holding Ctrl and moving mouse wheel up or down?
[00:43] <BluesKaj> yes i beleive so, in the the browser ID options
[00:43] <angasule> !info vdrift-data
[00:43] <ubotu> Package vdrift-data does not exist in gutsy
[00:44] <angasule> btw, I'm in feisty :)
[00:44] <fluffman> awesome, I'm going to check it out now
[00:45] <angasule> Not_Sure: isn't it faster to try it out than to come here and ask? :?
[00:45] <Not_Sure> angasule; I appreciate your help
[00:46] <Not_Sure> In Kate, is it possible to increase font size by holding Ctrl and moving mouse wheel up or down?
[00:46] <Not_Sure> Perhaps it is possible to enable this feature by altering some general KDE parameters?
[00:47] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: other than asking here (too quickly, might i add) what have you tried?
[00:47] <fluffman> BluesKaj: ah, that's nice.  Now if it could sync up my bookmarks with Firefox (which I use at work on my thumbdrive in windows), I would use it at home
[00:48] <fluffman> esp. since firefox has started eating a gig of ram overnight :-\
[00:48] <BluesKaj> fluffman, check the javascript options on domain
[00:48] <Not_Sure> I would highly commend those who would be so kind an answer my question. Thank You in advance.
[00:48] <Alloosh> hi, how come clam updates are not working any more?
[00:49] <fluffman> yeah I found that, BluesKaj
[00:49] <BluesKaj> good
[00:50] <Not_Sure> Again, my problem is that I would like to use KDE's Kate (and/or other applications) to be able to use Ctrl button and mouse wheel. This is a common Windows feature so I would like to be able to implement this feature in KDE.
[00:50] <Not_Sure> Ctrl + mouse wheel should produce zoom in/out effect
[00:51] <Not_Sure> I cordially thank everybody willing to help me
[00:51] <Alloosh> Not_Sure: it does with KDE and GNOME
[00:51] <BluesKaj> mousewheel will switch tabs in konversation
[00:51] <Dragnslcr> It looks like the module for my sound chip moved from /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko to /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko in the new kernel, and modprobe can't find it. Any suggestions?
[00:52] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: i have not seen this happen in ms notepad
[00:52] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: do you have linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic installed?
[00:52] <gribouille> how can I install apache ?
[00:52] <martoya> Dragnslcr: try load with: insmod -f  /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[00:52] <WaltzingAlong> gribouille: aptitude install apache ?
[00:52] <Not_Sure> WaltzingAlong: notepad2 in Windows is capable of that functionality
[00:52] <fluffman> Not_Sure: you can change the fonts size in kate by going to settings > configure > fonts & colors
[00:53] <gribouille> Package apache is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[00:53] <gribouille> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[00:53] <gribouille> is only available from another source
[00:53] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: if you want ms windows ...
[00:53] <Not_Sure> fluffman: I am aware of the font size feature in Kate, however, I am looking for a keyboard shortcut such as ctrl+mouse wheel
[00:53] <gribouille> where can I get apache from ?
[00:53] <Not_Sure> WaltzingAlong: notepad2 in Windows implements that shortcut
[00:54] <WaltzingAlong> gribouille: aptitude install apache ?  ah best search for it aptitude search apache
[00:54] <fluffman> why would you need that in a text editor?  everything is using the same font...just set it and forget it :-\
[00:54] <WaltzingAlong> gribouille: how about package apache2
[00:54] <fluffman> sorry, I don't know of anything else
[00:55] <Not_Sure> Perhaps I ought to rephrase my question: what is the best text editor for programming that is available under KDE?
[00:55] <WaltzingAlong> vi / emacs here they come
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: kate/settings/configure shortcuts/ then you can define a key or combination thereof for in/decreasing the font size
[00:56] <angasule> WaltzingAlong: he wants an editor, not an OS
[00:56] <Lars_G> What's the name of gutsy's kde theme and icon theme etc? I think it wasn't applied correctly
[00:56] <fluffman> if you want a notepad replacement (and then some), go with kate
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[00:56] <fluffman> otherwise vi is great
[00:57] <Not_Sure> fluffman: what does vi stand for and what is the 'apt-get' command to install it?
[00:57] <gribouille> WaltzingAlong: aptitude search apache yields p   apache2
[00:57] <fluffman> !vi
[00:57] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[00:57] <WaltzingAlong> !info apache2 | gribouille
[00:57] <ubotu> gribouille: apache2: Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3build1 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 92 kB
[00:57] <angasule> actually, vim is great, vi is a bit too old
[00:57] <fluffman> Not_Sure: sudo apt-get install vim
[00:57] <WaltzingAlong> gribouille: so install apache2
[00:57] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- I don't have that installed, no
[00:58] <fluffman> I personally use nano from the command line because it's easy :D
[00:58] <gribouille> is there an equivalent of the service command in ubuntu ?
[00:59] <sven_> Hi there! I used kubuntu 7.04 with my dell d620 laptop with ndiswrapper to control my broadcomm network card.. No problems at all. Now I just installed a fresh 7.10 install, and Im trying the same trick, but my wifi network card is not working :(
[00:59] <sven_> ndiswrapper tells me the driver is loaded ok
[00:59] <sven_> /var/log/messages shows me that ndiswrapper loaded ok
[01:00] <sven_> but I dont see the wifi light :(
[01:00] <fluffman> Not_Sure: also, there are little magnifying glasses at the top of kate on the toolbar with a + and - sign...these will enlarge or shrink your font sizes
[01:00] <WaltzingAlong> !bcm43xx
[01:00] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[01:00] <fluffman> sven_: use the restricted drivers manager
[01:00] <Not_Sure> WaltzingAlong: I have attempted to assign my shortcut using 'Configure shortcuts' menu in Kate. However, my mouse wheel button is not recognized. What would you recommend?
[01:00] <fluffman> that worked for me with bcm43xx
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: i would recommend using a text editor for editing text
[01:01] <fluffman> lol @ WaltzingAlong
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: following that, grab the source to kate, hack away
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> at or with :D
[01:01] <sven_> fluffman, Tried that, didnt work.. Whenever I try to install the driver that kubuntu tells me with the restricted manager, a new window pops up and that window is frozen.. cant select anything..
[01:01] <sven_> It does specify a file  though
[01:01] <Not_Sure> WaltzingAlong: where would I be able to download Kate's source code?
[01:02] <sven_> I downloaded the file manually, but where do I install it???
[01:02] <fluffman> sven_: I have no idea beyond that
[01:02] <fluffman> actually, it worked for me in Ubuntu, and I haven't tried it in Kubuntu
[01:02] <WaltzingAlong> Not_Sure: from apt? apt-get source kate i think
[01:03] <sven_> fluffman, it worked perfectly for me in 7.04
[01:03] <WaltzingAlong> sven_: fresh install or upgrade from 7.04?
[01:03] <sven_> WaltzingAlong, there is no explanation for 7.10, only for 7.04 and below
[01:03] <fluffman> I've got to go
[01:03] <fluffman> good luck sven_
[01:04] <fluffman> :D
[01:04] <aj_> ok, got kopete fixed, can someone give me a pointer or two on what to do with my sound(disappeared after gutsy install)
[01:04] <stdin> !away > fluff|away
[01:04] <Dragnslcr> aj_- what sound card/chip?
[01:04] <sven_> WaltzingAlong, fresh install
[01:05] <sven_> fluff|away, thanks!
[01:05] <stdin> Not_Sure: kate is in kdebase, so to get kate's source it'll download kdebase (big package)
[01:05] <aj_> i'm pretty sre its integrated with my motherboard(amd turion 64 x2 TL 50)
[01:05] <Not_Sure> stdin: I have just downloaded kdebase. However, I am uncertain of its location on my harddrive. Could you help me?
[01:05] <aj_> kmixer worked with it fine on fiesty fawn, but now cant seem to find it
[01:06] <CPrompt^> anyone get Kopete to work with GoogleTalk?
[01:06] <WaltzingAlong> CPrompt^: yes
[01:06] <Dragnslcr> aj_- sudo lshw | more
[01:06] <stdin> Not_Sure: it'll be in the same directory you ran apt-get from
[01:06] <Dragnslcr> aj_- look for "multimedia"
[01:06] <CPrompt^> WaltzingAlong : care to share?
[01:06] <stdin> CPrompt^: it does: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[01:07] <muchanic> Not_Sure - if you used apt-get source at the console it'll be in the current directory
[01:07] <Not_Sure> muchanic and stdin: I thank you
[01:08] <CPrompt^> stdin : that's what I did and it says "Host not found"???
[01:09] <stdin> CPrompt^: I used those settings to configure my kopete Server: talk.google.com  Port: 5223
[01:09] <aj_> Dragnslcr: nVidia MCP51 hi-def audi
[01:10] <CPrompt^> stdin : yep.  That's what I have.  "Host not found" though
[01:10] <aj_> i guess its on my video card
[01:10] <stdin> CPrompt^: same settings works here
[01:10] <CPrompt^> stdin : bummer.  not sure why mine isn't working
[01:10] <Spork> Umm... How do Install flash playerin firefox?
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> !flash
[01:11] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> aj_- it's onboard audio. I have an MCP55
[01:11] <aj_> but why is kmixer not finding it?
[01:11] <Dragnslcr> aj_- I think this is the problem- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-backports-modules-2.6.22/+bug/131577
[01:12] <Dragnslcr> aj_- it seems like the module got moved to a different directory in 7.10, and now modprobe can't find it
[01:12] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: but did you install the package I asked about?
[01:12] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- yup, didn't include that module
[01:13] <crimsun> sure it does
[01:13] <Dragnslcr> aj_- here's a forum topic that may be about the same problem- http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087802.0
[01:13] <aj_> k, thanks
[01:13] <CPrompt^> stdin : nevermind.  imma idiot.  i was using talk.gmail.com DOH!  it's working :)
[01:13] <crimsun> crimsun@Box.pts/1.~.[0].% dlocate snd-hda-intel
[01:13] <crimsun> linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/updates/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko
[01:13] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: that's the proper location for the updated (1.0.15rc3) version
[01:16] <WaltzingAlong> CPrompt^: first reaction: it is broken. second reaction: i broke it
[01:16] <tjodalv> exit
[01:16] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: after installing the package that I mentioned, what happens when you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel`?
[01:17] <Spork> It wot workiee
[01:17] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- same problem
[01:17] <Dragnslcr> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel    FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[01:17] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: please execute `sudo depmod -e`
[01:18] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- still the same error
[01:18] <Dragnslcr> (after trying modprobe again)
[01:18] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: `modinfo snd-hda-intel`   -> pastebin
[01:18] <Dragnslcr> modinfo snd-hda-intel   modinfo: could not find module snd-hda-intel
[01:19] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: dpkg -l linux-\*-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[01:20] <Dragnslcr> ii  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386 2.6.22.4-14.9  Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on 386
[01:20] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: err, -386?  No wonder.
[01:20] <Barbaros> join perl
[01:20] <Barbaros> hi guys
[01:20] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: sudo aptitude install linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)
[01:21] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- done
[01:21] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: now, modinfo snd-hda-intel|grep ^file
[01:22] <Dragnslcr> modinfo: could not find module snd-hda-intel
[01:22] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: dpkg -L linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)|grep hda
[01:23] <Dragnslcr> Nothing
[01:23] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: dpkg -l linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[01:23] <Spork> flashplayer-installer can not be found T_T
[01:24] <crimsun> Spork: use flashplugin-nonfree if you're on i386
[01:24] <Spork> i386?
[01:24] <Dragnslcr> ii  linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-386 2.6.22-14.10   Ubuntu supplied Linux modules for version 2.6.22 on i386
[01:24] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/updates/sound/pci/hda
[01:24] <crimsun> Spork: non-amd64, non-ppc, non-sparc, non-xbox, non-ia64, etc.
[01:25] <Spork> ohh.
[01:25] <coreymon77> Spork: does your computer have a intel processor
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 381752 2007-10-15 14:46 snd-hda-intel.ko
[01:25] <Spork> uhh...yeah why?
[01:25] <coreymon77> Spork: then its 1386
[01:25] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: looks fine.  Run `sudo depmod -e`
[01:25] <coreymon77> Spork: aka x86
[01:26] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- done. Still can't find the module
[01:26] <Spork> ok! ...?
[01:26] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/updates/sound/pci/hda
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-386/updates/ doesn't exist
[01:29] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: err, did you install linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-386?
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[01:30] <richard> hello all, I'm in the middle of trying to get/install apache2.  I tried using the command: "sudo apt-get install apache2" in the terminal window and i received the following error: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> Doesn't look like it really has any files in it
[01:30] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: apt-get --reinstall install linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-386
[01:31] <richard> and another error: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> richard- do you have Adept open?
[01:31] <richard> ya i do :-/
[01:31] <richard> i just noticed this now :-)
[01:32] <kudar> anyone know why i would only be pulling down 229 kb/s on wireless?
[01:32] <kudar> i have up to date drivers
[01:32] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- done. Still the same
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> kudar: using a 104 wep key?
[01:32] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- Adept says that there are only a couple doc files in that package
[01:32] <kudar> waltz: not using any security at the moment
[01:32] <kudar> windows flies
[01:32] <kudar> kubuntu creeps
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- and /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/updates/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does exist
[01:33] <kudar> i have tried new drivers
[01:33] <coreymon77> kudar: are you nuts?
[01:33] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: what is `uname -r`?
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- -386
[01:33] <kudar> corey: i am testing
[01:33] <coreymon77> kudar: it doesnt matter what os you use, your network still should be encrypted
[01:33] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: then /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/updates/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko isn't relevant.  Note that 2.6.22-14-generic != 2.6.22-14-386
[01:33] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- think just copying the file would work?
[01:33] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: no
[01:34] <kudar> corey: its easier to test without encryption when you are changing wifi utilites
[01:34] <sayers> Hiya! Any reason why Kopete seems to be crashing?
[01:34] <coreymon77> sayers: its a known bug
[01:34] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: have you rebooted?
[01:34] <coreymon77> sayers: being worked on as we speak
[01:34] <sayers> coreymon77: Well that's good :s
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- did you happen to look at the Launchpad link I mentioned a while ago? It seems like a lot of people are having problems
[01:34] <sayers> Beats being a bug that's only me coreymon77 :)
[01:34] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- not since you started helping me, no. I rebooted an hour or two earlier though
[01:34] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: we can't diagnose that issue until we get that module loaded.
[01:35] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: please reboot
[01:35] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- mkay, back in a couple minutes
[01:36] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[01:36] <WaltzingAlong> sayers:
[01:36] <sayers> WaltzingAlong: think it will be in the respos soon?
[01:37] <WaltzingAlong> sayers: it may already be in gutsy-proposed
[01:37] <coreymon77> WaltzingAlong: already being address
[01:38] <MilesG> Dr_willis: hey did you compile conky from source?
[01:39] <WaltzingAlong> coreymon77: what more work is there for it?
[01:39] <MilesG> has anyone compiled conky from source in here?
[01:39] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- done (obviously)
[01:39] <coreymon77> WaltzingAlong: is it fixed?
[01:40] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: lsmod|grep ^snd_
[01:40] <WaltzingAlong> sure
[01:40] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: please use paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:41] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- nothing
[01:42] <crimsun> please download the troubleshooting script from http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh, and attach output (a URL) from the script
[01:42] <crimsun> ^ Dragnslcr
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- http://pastebin.ca/746181
[01:45] <sthasthastjh> i got a problem
[01:46] <sthasthastjh> How can i uninstal GNOME?
[01:46] <rcg1984> i'm in the middle of trying to test out if i installed php correctly.  The help document specified: "ou can save the content in a file phpinfo.php and place it under DocumentRoot directory of Apache2 Web server."  Do i save the file to: /etc/apache2?
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> unless you're pressed for diskspace, there's little reason to, honestly...
[01:46] <Dragnslcr> rcg1984- no, that's the configuration directory
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !purekde | sthasthastjh, I'm not sure how much I trust this, but:
[01:46] <ubotu> sthasthastjh, I'm not sure how much I trust this, but:: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[01:46] <rcg1984> Dragnslcr: oh
[01:47] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: interesting.  sudo apt-get --reinstall alsa-base linux-sound-base
[01:47] <crimsun> err
[01:47] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: interesting.  sudo apt-get --reinstall install alsa-base linux-sound-base
[01:47] <Dragnslcr> rcg1984- you can get the DocumentRoot from Apache's config. It's usually somewhere under /var/www
[01:47] <sthasthastjh> ok, ty
[01:47] <rcg1984> Dragnslcr: ok
[01:48] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- done
[01:49] <rcg1984> Dragnslcr: I'm one step further to testing this out.  I'm in the www directory but it's apparent that I can save.
[01:49] <rcg1984> i can't*
[01:49] <lavacano201014> rcg1984: sudo chmod 777 /your/www/dir
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> rcg1984- you may need to use sudo. You usually want web files owned by a special user (sometimes www or www-data)
[01:50] <lavacano201014> "sudo su www"?
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> lavacano201014- that would be a bit of a security problem, but go for it
[01:50] <lavacano201014> Dragnslcr: heh
[01:51] <MilesG> rcg1984: my apache install has www-data as the usre
[01:51] <MilesG> has anyone compiled conky from source in here?
[01:51] <lavacano201014> conky...?
[01:52] <rcg1984> Dragnslcr: I'm using Bluefish to create php files and save them, is there anyway to add another user to the owners list?
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- want me to run the alsa-info script again?
[01:52] <lavacano201014> rcg1984: add the user to the www-data group
[01:52] <rcg1984> lavacano201014: ok will do
[01:52] <lavacano201014> then "sudo chmod 77? /your/www/dir"
[01:52] <Dragnslcr> rcg1984- never used Bluefish, so I dunno. Might be easiest to save the files to your home directory and then move/chown them afterwards
[01:53] <lavacano201014> replace the ? with whatever chmod digit you want
[01:53] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: no, just modprobe snd-hda-intel
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- nope, still can't find it
[01:54] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: can't find that file still?
[01:54] <rob_> hi
[01:55] <bobbyd> How can I change my bootsplash from kubuntu back to ubuntu?
[01:55] <bobbyd> oops, wrong channel :)
[01:55] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[01:56] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- I'm checking locate again
[01:56] <pillowpants> whats a good file encryption program?
[01:56] <pillowpants> im just looking to encrypt a few folders
[01:56] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: no, use find
[01:56] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd-hda-intel.ko'
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- nothing
[01:58] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: is / mounted read-only?
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- I wouldn't think so
[01:58] <genjix> hi!
[02:00] <crimsun> Dragnslcr: and you're still running -386?
[02:00] <asasasas> Hi
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> Yep
[02:01] <asasasas> I am using Gutsy Gibbon. How can i make a SEARCH without using "Strigi"?
[02:02] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- looks like grub's menu.lst has entries for both -386 and -generic. Maybe the upgrade picked the wrong kernel to be the default in grub?
[02:02] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- I honestly didn't notice it in the boot menu. I always just let it pick the first one on its own
[02:03] <blackbsd> hi i just installed kubuntu gusty and the desktop effects are not working like they do in ubuntu, any ideas on how to get this working?
[02:04] <supert0nes> use fusion
[02:04] <jpwhiting|homepc> hello
[02:04] <MurielGodoi_> !compiz | blackbsd
[02:04] <ubotu> blackbsd: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:04] <rob> bots
[02:04] <blackbsd> from the apt tool
[02:04] <blackbsd> thanks
[02:04] <jpwhiting> anyone know how I can detect which kernel module I'm missing to use all the features of my motherboard?
[02:05] <lavacano201014> is excess flood the new netsplit message?
[02:05] <supert0nes> gotta be
[02:05] <jpwhiting> ' /proc/cpuinfo only shows one processor, but I have Hyperthreading turned on and it showed 2 with feisty
[02:05] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- did you catch my last message?
[02:06] <jpwhiting> and nvidia kernel module also can't find my nvidia pcie video card with gutsy, but it worked with feisty...
[02:06] <lavacano201014> jpwhiting: your nVidia card said something bad about the kernel module's mother.
[02:07] <jpwhiting> lavacano201014: probably
[02:07] <jpwhiting> just wish it would appologize and get over it :)
[02:07] <lavacano201014> exactly.\
[02:07] <lavacano201014> damn backslash
[02:07] <jpwhiting> there used to be separate 386 and smp kernel packages iirc
[02:08] <jpwhiting> smp being for multiprocessor machines
[02:08] <jpwhiting> but maybe the 386 kernel has that?
[02:08] <jpwhiting> or maybe I should just use the -generic kernel?
[02:09] <carlos> hola
[02:09] <rcg1984> lavacano201014: I trie doing what you mentioned but i still have no access to write to the www directory
[02:09] <angasule> !es | carlos
[02:09] <ubotu> carlos: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[02:09] <lavacano201014> did you use the chmod?
[02:09] <rcg1984> i changed the group of www to www-data and added this current account to the www-data group and set the chmod
[02:10] <Gun_Smoke> we have an offtopic channel for K don't we?
[02:10] <rcg1984> lavacano201014: i did "sudo chmod 775 /var/www" with out the quotes of course
[02:10] <hellhound> how do you instal compiz fusion in 7.10 kubuntu?
[02:11] <kudar> guys wlan0 isn't even showing up in ifconfig
[02:11] <kudar> how do i get it back
[02:11] <kudar> says there is no such device
[02:12] <Yammeh> !compiz:hellhound
[02:12] <rcg1984> lavacano201014: have any clue as to what I should do now?
[02:12] <Gun_Smoke> well anyhow.. For some reason I logged out earlier today and couldn't log back in.. It would try, trip and go back to the login window
[02:12] <lavacano201014> hellhound: the packages are compiz, compizconfig-settings-manager, compiz-kde and emerald
[02:12] <lavacano201014> rcg1984: youre stuck with "sudo"
[02:12] <yago> hi
[02:13] <alethes> can somebody tell me why the kemnu has items like "_: Entries in KMenu: Blah Blah Blah" ?
[02:13] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- I think I found the package I need for the module- linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-386
[02:13] <yago> does anyone can help me with kubuntu 7.10
[02:13] <alethes> I see strings that are similar in app menus, like in ktorrent for example
[02:13] <hellhound> lavacano201014: thank yo
[02:13] <rcg1984> lavacano201014: ?
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> yago:  what did you break?
[02:13] <hellhound> lavacano201014: does it require a restart?
[02:14] <lavacano201014> hellhound: i dont think so
[02:16] <yago> my problem is that i'd downloaded the iso, but
[02:16] <alethes> can somebody tell me why the kmenu has items like "_: Entries in KMenu: Blah Blah Blah" ?
[02:16] <yago> i dont know if i had burn a CD o can a i use apt-adapter for it
[02:17] <kudar> how to you force a remove directory?
[02:17] <alethes> rm -rf
[02:17] <kudar> what does the r stand for
[02:17] <alethes> recursive
[02:17] <kudar> werd
[02:17] <kudar> thanks
[02:17] <alethes> it'll remove all the contents
[02:18] <alethes> np
[02:18] <alethes> is the menu screwed on the ISO for everybody?
[02:18] <kudar> no
[02:18] <alethes> wonder why mine went fubar
[02:18] <yago> no
[02:19] <Gun_Smoke>  yago is english your native language?
[02:19] <sam64> Im having troubles after logging in in the default mode
[02:20] <yago> no, I'm from Spain sorry...
[02:20] <sam64> nothing turns on - I cant even use a console
[02:20] <Gun_Smoke> yago: No problem.
[02:21] <Gun_Smoke> yago: What do you want to do?  Burn a new Kubuntu CD from ISO?
[02:21] <yago> Gun_Smoke, how can i install kubuntu 7.10, only using my download?
[02:21] <yago> no
[02:21] <sven_> test
[02:21] <yago> installing new kubuntu 7.10 using only the file iso,
[02:21] <Gun_Smoke> yago: do you currently have kubuntu?
[02:22] <sven_> Is it my imagination or is 7.10 having a whole lot more problems than 7.04?? I had almost no trouble with 7.04, but 7.10 is  giving me hell.. I got a long list of problems I just solved, and now I got really bad networking problems (looks like I can forget wifi, the restricted manager simply hangs, ndis is a nogo).. what happened?
[02:22] <yago> yes i do
[02:22] <Gun_Smoke> 7.04?
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> crimsun- thanks for all your help. Finally got it working with that package
[02:22] <Gun_Smoke> yago: 7.04?
[02:22] <yago> yes i do
[02:22] <yago> I have now 7.04
[02:22] <sven_>  Is it my imagination or is 7.10 having a whole lot more problems than 7.04?? I had almost no trouble with 7.04, but 7.10 is  giving me hell.. I got a long list of problems I just solved, and now I got really bad networking problems (looks like I can forget wifi, the restricted manager simply hangs, ndis is a nogo).. what happened?
[02:23] <alethes> sven_: yeah, so far I'm less than enthused about 7.10 :/
[02:23] <yago> and I'd download the iso for 7.10
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> yago: Then what you want to do is called a Distro Upgrade.
[02:23] <Jucato> sven_: can you not repeat the question/complaint every minute?
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> !upgrade
[02:23] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:23] <sven_> When I use knetworkmanager to start my wifi its throwing down my eth0 cable network!! Its even removing the configuration of it..
[02:23] <yago> yes exactly!
[02:24] <sven_> Jucato, I dont even know what gets posted or not, thats the problem!  My network interface is going on and off every minute here
[02:24] <Gun_Smoke> yago: Enjoy..
[02:24] <sven_> right now, I got eth0 up, but knetwork manager does not see any network interfaces anymore...
[02:24] <kudar> im so sick of my wireless being slow
[02:24] <kudar> i used intel developmental drivers and it didn't work at all
[02:24] <kudar> use the stable new ones and its slow as crap
[02:24] <kudar> i just dont understand
[02:24] <yago> Gun_Smoke thank you!
[02:24] <yago> You are my IDOL!
[02:25] <Gun_Smoke> yago: Your welcome.
[02:25] <alethes> wonder if that distro upgrade thing ever works heh
[02:25] <alethes> I try it, it breaks packages, and I just end up reinstalling from an iso
[02:26] <sam64> !shell
[02:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[02:29] <yago> Gun_Smoke, I have downloaded the iso for kubuntu, and my question is
[02:30] <yago> I have it burn on a CD o can I use the file without use a CD, using apt-adapter?
[02:31] <sam64> what is the shortcut to temperaraly leave the GUI?
[02:31] <Gun_Smoke> yago: I think what you are asking is if you can update uding apt-get from CD not over the network.  Is that correct?
[02:31] <alethes> sam64: ctrl-alt-F1 - ctrl-alt-F6
[02:31] <sam64> thanks
[02:32] <alethes> hmmm suppose I shoulda told him how to get back
[02:32] <yago> no, if I can update using the file, is that i dont have a cd for burning until tomorrow, that i can buy one
[02:33] <Gun_Smoke> yago: Yes you must burn it to CD to use the file you downloaded.
[02:33] <vbgunz> what is the default elevator argument in kubuntu grub? I've had cfq for a very long time. is it cfq? is it better?
[02:33] <yago> ok, now I undrestand!
[02:34] <yago> thank you Gun_Smoke
[02:34] <Gun_Smoke> yago: But if you are using 7.04 you do not need a CD for anything.
[02:34] <Gun_Smoke> yago: You can just use the update manager.
[02:34] <yago> why?
[02:35] <yago> but if i use update manager i need download the same, or no?
[02:36] <Gun_Smoke> You will download and install all upgrades the same way you download and install updates.  For example when you do sudo apt-get update
[02:37] <yago> can i expecific a file? for this?
[02:37] <Gun_Smoke> yago: have you tried asking your question at #ubuntu-es ?
[02:37] <yago> yes
[02:37] <Gun_Smoke> No one around..
[02:37] <yago> and I dont find nothing
[02:38] <Gun_Smoke> yago:  Ok... hold on..
[02:38] <yago> anyone sorry ;-(, but Gun_Smoke don't worry, tomorrow i'll buy a CD
[02:38] <Gun_Smoke> No need to spend money.  This is easy.. You just need some code.
[02:39] <yago> can i use apt-get /home/yago/Desktop/kubuntu.iso
[02:40] <yago> or anything like this, I meant expecificand where is file iso?
[02:40] <Gun_Smoke> yago: No.  have have good network connection?
[02:41] <alethes> if nothing else, couldn't he mount the ISO and extract the packages for apt?
[02:41] <yago> yes 300k/s
[02:41] <yago> but the problem is that that servers are too busy!
[02:42] <fizzmahon> hey guys just installed compiz but i cant find fusion-icon to switch window managers, where can i find it =) ?
[02:43] <mohd> fizzmahon: compiz --replace
[02:44] <mohd> Guys, I have used configure-desktop for 4 virtual desktops, but I am only getting 2. Does anyone know why?
[02:44] <Gun_Smoke> yago:  So how about getting the kubuntu 7.10 alternated CD and then install from there.  Get the torrent.. it fast
[02:45] <fizzmahon> mohd: im getting these wierd boxes around all my menu's, any idea what it is?
[02:46] <mohd> fizzmahon: Hmm. I haven't ever seen weird boxes appear around my menus. Can you get me a screenshot?
[02:46] <lostnoob> can anyone tell me how to get my wireless card re-enabled? It was working fine until I connected to a wired lan. Ever since my wireless can't be detected.
[02:46] <fizzmahon> mohd: sure! just a moment
[02:46] <yago> Gun_Smoke, thank you for your help, but my battery is out in a few min
[02:46] <yago> thank you my friend!
[02:47] <Gun_Smoke> Ok... too bad..
[02:47] <yago> bye!
[02:47] <andre_> ola
[02:47] <Gun_Smoke> you need the 7.10 alternate CD to upgrade from CD.. and still need to burn it.
[02:47] <Gun_Smoke> Sorry I couldn't help more.
[02:48] <yago> thank you, Gun_Smoke, it is enogh!
[02:48] <andre_> some brazilian here??
[02:48] <yago> good luck Gun_Smoke!
[02:48] <Gun_Smoke> I'll be around tomorrow if you need help same time.
[02:48] <yago> andre yesterday in Brasil F1 was great!
[02:48] <yago> I'll see you tomorrow Gun_Smoke!
[02:49] <andre_> rsrsrs
[02:49] <Gun_Smoke> addios
[02:49] <andre_> you see the F1
[02:49] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how come after leaving my computer running it freezes and stays at using 100 % of the CPU and i have to restart X
[02:49] <yago> hasta luego Gun_Smoke!
[02:49] <andre_> one question!!!!!
[02:49] <fizzmahon> mohd: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/723/boxesrg0.png
[02:50] <yago> yes  andre, I'll see you tomorrow
[02:50] <fizzmahon> mohd: and when maximized windows are cut off by the taskbar
[02:50] <andre_> what i do , to mylinux accept all icons themes???
[02:50] <andre_> i use kubuntu 7.4
[02:50] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how come after leaving my computer running it freezes and stays at using 100 % of the CPU and i have to restart X
[02:51] <mohd> Fizzmahon: How exactly did you install compiz?
[02:51] <dsmith_> AT0M1CB0MB3R: screensaver one?
[02:51] <lostnoob> can anyone tell me how to get my wireless card re-enabled?
[02:52] <lostnoob> plz!
[02:52] <fizzmahon> mohd: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compizconfig-settings-manager sexy-python
[02:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> AT0M1CB0MB3R: huh?
[02:52] <dsmith_> AT0M1CB0MB3R: screensaver on?
[02:52] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> dsmith_: yeah
[02:53] <dsmith_> what type of pc?
[02:53] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> like amd?
[02:53] <dsmith_> desktop or laptop?
[02:53] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> desktop
[02:53] <dsmith_> whats the size of your vid card?
[02:53] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> like in megs?
[02:53] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> 256
[02:53] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> its agp
[02:54] <dsmith_> hmmm mine does that at times
[02:54] <dsmith_> I have to restart
[02:55] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> why
[02:55] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> do you know why
[02:55] <pestilence> how come kubuntu no longer opens up a window when i put a cd in?
[02:55] <pestilence> same if i attach an external hd
[02:55] <pestilence> (gutsy)
[02:55] <fizzmahon> getting boxes around menus with compiz http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/723/boxesrg0.png any ideas?
[03:02] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> dsmith_: do you know what powernowd is
[03:03] <lavacano201014> !vino
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <lavacano201014> ah
[03:04] <lavacano201014> so i must ask the humans
[03:04] <lavacano201014> what the hell is vino?
[03:04] <Jucato> vino?
[03:08] <BluesKaj> err wine , maybe
[03:10] <fulat2k> hi folks, i just upgraded to gutsy from feisty on a dell latitude d410.  somehow the built in wifi pro/wirless 2200bg isn't working.  but i can see that the ipw2200 module is loaded via dmesg.  any ideas?
[03:11] <dystopianray> i have ipw2200 and it works without issues, i'm not sure why yours wouldn't be
[03:11] <jpwhiting> fulat2k: when I upgraded to gutsy my wireless was ra0 with feisty, but now it's wlan0_rename for some reason
[03:12] <dystopianray> jpwhiting: you can probably adjust a udev rule to fix that naming
[03:14] <Jucato> whoa! jpwhiting's in here!? O.o
[03:14]  * Jucato runs for cover
[03:16] <fulat2k> jpwhiting: hmm.... in feisty it was eth1.  how can i make sure?
[03:18] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i disable DPMS
[03:18] <ardchoille> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Sorry about earlier, I had an emergency here.
[03:19] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ardchoille: i figured it out
[03:19] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ardchoille: dont worry about it
[03:19] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ardchoille: how do i disable DPMS? if you know....
[03:20] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Jucato: do you know how to disable DPMS?
[03:20] <Jucato> nope
[03:20] <jpwhiting> Jucato: why? I'm not going to try to motivate you to get back to kde dev ;-)
[03:20] <jpwhiting> fulat2k: eth1 was your wireless?
[03:20] <Jucato> haha :)
[03:20] <jpwhiting> dystopianray: I hope so
[03:21] <jpwhiting> it's annoying to have ra0 and wlan0_rename both
[03:21] <ardchoille> AT0M1CB0MB3R: lol, I don't even know what DPMS is
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> never mind
[03:21] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> lol
[03:22] <jpwhiting> Jucato: yes, I do read planet every once in awhile
[03:22] <Jucato> hahah! :P
[03:24] <jpwhiting> Jucato: are you a kubuntu dev also?
[03:24] <jpwhiting> or just help other poor souls with issues?
[03:24] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> my problem is that after leaving computer on for an hour or maybe 10 minutes my computer freezes and uses 100% CPU but if i take off all superkaramba themes except one (the CPU monitor) it will stay idle for hours to no end i jsut dont get it i really like the superkaramba themes too ive seen people having the same probem as me on google nobody had a fix what so ever
[03:24] <Jucato> jpwhiting: half-half... I've written very small patches (the biggest one would probably for d3lphin)....
[03:24] <jpwhiting> oh
[03:25] <lespea> g'evening
[03:26] <dsmith_> karamba is buggy
[03:26] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> dsmith_: that was my problem
[03:26] <fulat2k> jpwhiting: well, i think it still is.  but i can't get it to scan for any APs
[03:27] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> is there another program that has widgets like that dsmith_
[03:27] <fulat2k> jpwhiting: in interfaces, there's eth0, eth1 and the usual lo
[03:28] <jpwhiting> fulat2k: ah, dunno
[03:28] <fulat2k> jpwhiting: i remember there's place where i can see where the interfaces are aliased as...
[03:29] <jpwhiting> fulat2k: in feisty knetworkmanager showed ra0 but it now doesn't show any interfaces at all
[03:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> fulat2k: whats the problem
[03:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> my problem is that after leaving computer on for an hour or maybe 10 minutes my computer freezes and uses 100% CPU but if i take off all superkaramba themes except one (the CPU monitor) it will stay idle for hours to no end i jsut dont get it i really like the superkaramba themes too ive seen people having the same probem as me on google nobody had a fix what so ever
[03:31] <fulat2k> AT0M1CB0MB3R: wifi used to work in feisty doesn't work in gutsy.  i can see the ipw2200 module is loaded in dmesg.  but in knetworkmanager, it doesn't see any wireless connections.
[03:31] <jpwhiting> fulat2k: do you have wireless set up to use an AP at home in /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:32] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: so then don't use those SK! widgets
[03:32] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: nobody else makes widgets
[03:32] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: so?
[03:33] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: they look nice any help my theme come together
[03:33] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: how do i uninstall superkaramba
[03:33] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> nvm mneptok
[03:33] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: sudo apt-get autoremove superkaramba
[03:34] <fulat2k> jpwhiting: nopes.  everything is auto
[03:35] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: when an open source app does not work the way you want, you have 3 options. - 1. fix it yourself. - 2. file a coherent and salient bug report and track its progress. - 3. don't use that app.
[03:35] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: whats up with the autoremove
[03:35] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: it will also remove any packages upon which only SK! depends
[03:35] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> 4.find a fix :]
[03:36] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: uhh.
[03:36] <mneptok> AT0M1CB0MB3R: if a fix was findable, don't you think someone would have found it?
[03:36] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: how d i make konq my defaultfile browser not cappy dolphin
[03:36] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> mneptok: i know what your saying
[03:36] <Jucato> !dolphin | AT0M1CB0MB3R
[03:36] <ubotu> AT0M1CB0MB3R: dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[03:38] <needles> does anyone know a good file encryption program with a front end?
[03:38] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Jucato: thanks big time
[03:38] <Jucato> !info kgpg
[03:38] <ubotu> kgpg: GnuPG frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 454 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[03:38] <miles_> I need some help with this one-liner,  im trying to see all my running processes and kill a certain one
[03:38] <miles_> kill | ps ax | grep conky        I want to kill conky
[03:39] <miles_> but that isnt right, could someone point me in the right direction please
[03:39] <mneptok> needles: GPG
[03:39]  * Jucato points to kgpg above
[03:39] <dsmith_> dolphin is nice
[03:39] <Jucato> miles_: why not just "killall conky" ?
[03:39] <mneptok> miles_: how's your regex-fu?
[03:39] <needles> thanks
[03:39] <miles_> mneptok: weak
[03:39] <miles_> Jucato: ah
[03:40] <mneptok> miles_: then you're not gonna do it on one line :)
[03:40] <mneptok> miles_: Jucato has the right idea
[03:43] <miles_> lol
[03:43] <miles_> yea, kill and killall are a couple things I really should know more on
[03:43] <miles_> im writing a lil bash script to start and stop conky similiar to one youd find in /etc/init.d
[03:44] <tony> Does anyone know how to get CBT Nuggets to run on Kubuntu?
[03:46] <fulat2k> got it working.. :P
[03:49]  * miles_ smiles at his script
[03:49]  * miles_ in a non-creep way
[03:50] <needles> im not seeing much in the way of file encryption with kgpg
[03:51] <gesslar> i'm trying to upgrade to 7.10 using the screenshots from kubuntu.org but my adept manager doesn't look the same. when i go to "Adept -> Manager Repositories", I don't get a dialog box, instead i get what looks like the config file and disabled out lines are grey..
[03:51] <gesslar> i'm in feisty, now
[03:52] <gesslar> so i can't do as it recommends and enable "recommended updates" and "pre-released updates" repositories
[03:52] <gesslar> as they're not listed
[03:53] <Jucato> gesslar: install software-properties-kde
[03:55] <gesslar> i'm installing that now, thanks
[03:55] <shawnsonium> so, yeah. I upgraded to 7.10 and now the xorg-ati driver shows me a beautiful black screen on X startup. what the deuce...
[03:56] <gesslar> thanks a lot for your help
[03:56] <shawnsonium> i'm running under vesa right now, but i miss the speediness i had with feisty + xorg-ati
[03:56]  * gesslar thanks Jucato 
[03:56] <Jucato> sure
[03:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> shawnsonium: use the restricted drivers
[03:58] <kudar> how can slow wireless internet NOT be a known bug
[03:58] <kudar> i have ugraded drivers, reinstalled and my wireless is slow as balls
[03:58] <shawnsonium> alright, i'll give that a go. thanks
[04:00] <kudar> yellow
[04:00] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> omg my computer is running so much faster after ditching super karamba
[04:01] <Jucato> some SK themes are buggy and resource intensive.
[04:01] <Jucato> some are properly done though
[04:02] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Jucato: if i could have superkaramba running correctly my linux would be so sexy
[04:02] <Jucato> just look for a good theme
[04:02] <Jucato> (check the ratings of the theme)
[04:02] <kudar> jucato: what up. check out my speed results to a server right by me
[04:02] <kudar> jucato: http://www.speedtest.net/result/195144250.png
[04:03] <Jucato> wow. funky. no idea though
[04:03] <kudar> who me?
[04:03] <kudar> you saying funky to me?
[04:03] <Jucato> yeah I have no idea what's causing your slow internet (if you consider that slow...)
[04:03] <kudar> i consider it slow yes
[04:04] <Jucato> my download doesn't even reach 512kbps :)
[04:04] <kudar> its cable and im  uploading faster than dling
[04:04] <kudar> you have dsl?
[04:04] <Jucato> yep. but a low subscription
[04:04] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> heres mine http://www.speedtest.net/result/195144731.png
[04:05] <Jucato> bah!
[04:05] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> bah what
[04:05] <Jucato> making me jealous
[04:05] <dystopianray> does anyone have any idea when the kopete fix will hit gutsy-updates ?
[04:06] <Jucato> dystopianray: not sure. unless you're on 64-bit, there's a fix already (install a .deb)
[04:07] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> i got a better result this time Jucato http://www.speedtest.net/result/195145109.png
[04:07] <dystopianray> Jucato: there are debs for both 32-bit and 64-bit
[04:07] <Jucato> that's good then
[04:12] <smorg> whats the thing called again to convert tar to deb?
[04:13] <needles> what does "end with an empty line" mean
[04:14] <Jucato> smorg: no such thing. there's checkinstall, but you need to do some intermediate steps
[04:14] <hydrogen> most unix tools expect files to have a blank line at the end
[04:14] <Jucato> !checkinstall | smorg
[04:14] <ubotu> smorg: checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[04:14] <needles> hydrogen : what do you do though?
[04:14] <needles> hit enter?
[04:14] <hydrogen> yes
[04:14] <smorg> ah ty
[04:14] <Jucato> yes
[04:14] <needles> space so theres another line
[04:14] <hydrogen> at the bottom of the file
[04:14]  * Jucato is not hydrogen
[04:15] <dsmith_> http://bay01.imagebay.com/bay.php?view=22198_ServerFiles9.jpg
[04:15] <dsmith_> thers mine
[04:15] <smorg> trying to get firefox going... the one in the kubuntu repository seems always out of date
[04:15] <hydrogen> or the simplest way, echo >> filename
[04:15] <dsmith_> seems kinda slow
[04:15] <smorg> but only comes as a tar bundle
[04:15] <Jucato> smorg: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[04:15] <Jucato> !info firefox
[04:15] <smorg> 7.10
[04:15] <needles> "Enter the user ID. End with an empty line: "
[04:15] <hydrogen> firefox--
[04:15] <hydrogen> but
[04:15] <hydrogen> before we get into this discussion again!
[04:15] <Jucato> wehere's the bot..
[04:15] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8960 kB, installed size 26008 kB
[04:15] <melody> Hello.  I'm using adept package manager, try to do a distrobution upgrade.... but it keeps failing at a certain point downloading the updates
[04:15] <needles> im enting my UID in and hitting enter, and it keeps asking me to do it again and again
[04:16] <hydrogen> i'm going fooding
[04:16] <smorg> yea should be 2.0.0.8
[04:16] <Jucato> smorg: well wait for updates :)
[04:16] <hydrogen> needles: you hit enter twice?
[04:16] <smorg> :/
[04:16] <Jucato> 2.0.0.6 isn't so old
[04:16] <smorg> or I could try iceweasel
[04:16] <IronHans> hey guys how do i configure java with firefox??
[04:17] <dystopianray> IronHans: you mean you want to install java for firefox?
[04:17] <IronHans> yep
[04:17] <melody> Can I do the distro 'upgrade' from an installed version of Tribe 5?
[04:18] <dystopianray> IronHans: the latest java from sun?
[04:18] <Jucato> melody: just do normal upgrade
[04:18] <dystopianray> melody: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:18] <IronHans> look, i've installed with adept but it doesn't work
[04:18] <Jucato> IronHans: install sun-java6-plugin
[04:19] <melody> dystopianray: I did that..and it came back with 0 upgrades.
[04:19] <Jucato> melody: that means you're up to date
[04:19] <Jucato> if you upgraded daily from Tribe 5
[04:19] <melody> then why is adept manager telling me there is a distro upgrade and has a big ole button there for it?
[04:20] <Jucato> it's a bug
[04:20] <melody> aaah.
[04:20] <melody> can I get around that?  convince it I'm good to go?
[04:20] <dystopianray> ignoer it
[04:20] <Jucato> ignore it until the bugfix arrives
[04:20] <needles> is it possible to encrypy a folder in one command from gpg?
[04:21] <melody> dystopianray: will I be able to continue to get normal updates then? (just ignoring the distro upgrade button)
[04:21] <Jucato> melody: es
[04:21] <Jucato> yes
[04:21] <dystopianray> melody: as, it's a bug, just ignore the distro upgrade thing
[04:21] <dystopianray> s/as/yes/
[04:21] <melody> okay. thank you.
[04:22] <melody> btw, is googleearth not in the repositories?
[04:22] <dystopianray> melody: it is not
[04:22] <frank23> melody: it's in medibuntu right now
[04:23] <IronHans> tnx jucato
[04:23] <draik> For those who have upgraded to 7.10... How long did it take to upgrade everything?
[04:26] <kudar_> what cd burning utility should i use?
[04:26] <IronHans> it depends, i think it must take 3 hours
[04:26] <melody> k3b
[04:26] <Jucato> kudar_: k3bn
[04:26] <Jucato> kudar_: k3b
[04:26] <Jucato> draik: depends on your server's load
[04:26] <kudar_> im about to burn gentoo 2007 iso
[04:26] <draik> US
[04:26] <dystopianray> kudar_: definetly k3b
[04:26] <kudar_> gonna see if gentoo lets my wifi card work properly
[04:26] <kudar_> thanks
[04:27] <dystopianray> kudar_: haha, good luck with that
[04:27] <dystopianray> kudar_: what card do you have anyway?
[04:27] <kudar_> dystopianray: why you say that
[04:27] <kudar_> intel pro 4964agn
[04:27] <kudar_> 4965agn
[04:27] <dystopianray> doesn't gutsy have the iwlwifi driver?
[04:27] <kudar_> yes
[04:28] <kudar_> i have even uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers
[04:28] <kudar_> no luck
[04:28] <dystopianray> but it doesn't work?
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> whats the best instant messaning program?
[04:28] <kudar_> its slow
[04:28] <kudar_> very slow
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> whats the best instant messaging program?
[04:28] <dystopianray> AT0M1CB0MB3R: they're all pretty crap
[04:28] <kudar_> it works
[04:28] <kudar_> its just slow
[04:28] <kudar_> atomic: pidgin
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> kudar_: ok
[04:28] <Jucato> !best | AT0M1CB0MB3R
[04:28] <ubotu> AT0M1CB0MB3R: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:28] <dystopianray> AT0M1CB0MB3R: kopete
[04:28] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !stink
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stink - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <dystopianray> AT0M1CB0MB3R: what IM networks do you want to use and do you want to use webcam?
[04:29] <Jucato> AT0M1CB0MB3R: word of advice, ask a "what is the best" question and you'll get so many different answers
[04:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> dystopianray: yes
[04:29] <Jucato> that leaves you with kopete then
[04:29] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> Jucato: i realized that lol
[04:29] <Jucato> pidgin afaik still doesn't have webcam support
[04:29] <dystopianray> AT0M1CB0MB3R: kopete supports msn and yahoo webcam
[04:30] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> dystopianray: i have a webcam sight so im all good ill just use pidgin
[04:31] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> site
[04:32] <IronHans> i can't close java applet windows, why?
[04:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> bye everybody :[
[04:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> im tired bed time its 8:34pm here but i woke up at 2:00am so im a little tired so bye
[04:36] <soulwarp> can anyone recommend a decent torrent program other than ktorrent?
[04:36] <soulwarp> open source
[04:36] <ubunturos> bittorrent, and Ktorrent come with kubuntu
[04:39] <soulwarp> i used to like ktorrent untill they took the options to select seperate files to download from torrents that provide multiple files
[04:39] <soulwarp> in the new kubuntu upgrade
[04:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[04:50] <Dr_willis> soulwarp,  clarify that a bit? I can select sepreate files from torrents...
[04:50] <Dr_willis> i can tag them to not be downloaded, or first, last, ect..
the client changes since 7.04-7.10 transition
not sure where it's now located
[04:51] <strtok> hey, anyone know how to turn off touchpad tap mouse clicks ? (where if you tap the pad, it's a mouse click)
[04:51] <Dr_willis> using 7.10 right now. Ive not noticed any changes.  But i dont use a lot of the  options
[04:51] <strtok> i've found it's wayyy too sensitive
[04:51] <Dr_willis> strtok,  thers some synaptic touch pad tools
[04:53] <strtok> Dr_willis: tpconfig and gsynaptics?
[04:54] <Hoondie> hey people, whats the command to access the restricted drivers application?
you will have to change your repository in your adept package manager
look for the unchecked options
[04:55] <ray_> Hey... I have kind of a weird question
[04:55] <Hoondie> soulwarp: i thought it came with gutsy?
[04:56] <ray_> Will kernels from other distros work if I compile them?
[04:56] <ray_> Like, if I use a Gentoo kernel with Kubuntu on top of it
the repository is there, it's just unchecked by default
[04:56] <Dr_willis> !find synaptics
[04:56] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, gsynaptics, ksynaptics, libsynaptics-dev, libsynaptics0 (and 2 others)
[04:57] <Dr_willis> Hoondie,  i normally install /use 'restricted-manager' tool
[04:57] <Dr_willis> ray_,  why do you need to do this?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[04:57] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  Also, see !stages
[04:58] <soulwarp> maybe he is bored :)
[04:59] <ray_> It's just that I don't like the kubuntu kernel
[04:59] <Dr_willis> or into S&M
[04:59] <Dr_willis> ray_,  well thats.. vague. :)
[04:59] <Hoondie> Dr_willis: thanks, installing now :)
[05:00] <ray_> I don't like how large the resolution is set in the boot and that there is no color.  Ubuntu's kernel seems to have removed the options to change it.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> large the res in the boot? You mean the framebuffer settings?
[05:00] <Alethes> Failure registering capabilities with primary security module. <-- I get this error when I try to start bind9
[05:00] <Alethes> what's giving me this error?
[05:00] <Dr_willis> i always totally disable framebuffer. :)
[05:00] <soulwarp> he means the login menu i think
[05:01] <ray_> Yes, the login menu, but also the messages when it's booting up
[05:01] <ray_> and just everything not in x
[05:01] <soulwarp> sometimes the login menu is larger than the desktop resolution settings
[05:01] <soulwarp> i noticed that too
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  Thats because the USER can have their own X resolution setting. Im not aware of this being a kernel issue at all.
[05:02] <Dr_willis> you can set the default res in the xorg.conf and kdm will use that.
[05:02] <ray_> In the Gentoo kernel (and I'm assuming the vanilla kernel) there was an option to choose that resolution...but I can't find it in the ubuntu kernel
[05:02] <Dr_willis> well have fun :)
[05:03] <ray_> I'm not talking about in the x server
[05:03] <Dr_willis> I dont think gentoo uses a vanilla kernel.  And ym not sure what ya mean by Login menu then. If you are nor refering to KDM.
[05:04] <ray_> ctrl-alt-f1
[05:04] <ray_> bash
[05:04] <Dr_willis> ray_,  thats just the consoles.. if you are using the framebuffer you can set the res of that on the fly
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !info fbset
[05:04] <ubotu> fbset: framebuffer device maintenance program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1-19ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 100 kB, installed size 324 kB
[05:04] <juan> hi!
[05:04] <ray_> Oh thanks : )
[05:04] <ray_> I guess I just haven't found it yet
[05:05] <ray_> lo
[05:05] <Dr_willis> and the kernel option to set those is like vga=791 or similer
[05:05] <Dr_willis> I always use the 'nofb' option to totally disable the framebuffer and give me a 'old fashined' console screen
[05:05] <juan> does anyone know how to tell adept installer to stop reminding me about one specific package
[05:05] <slimjimflim_> hi. i lost my "start button" how do i get it back?
[05:05]  * Dr_willis rembers when the framebuffer was cutting edge and everyone had these high hopes for it.. now it seems its just used for purty splash type screens.
[05:06] <ray_> info fbset
[05:06] <ray_> oh whoops
[05:06] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim_,  right click on the panel and use the 'add to panel item'
[05:06] <slimjimflim_> i mean i lost the kmenu
[05:07] <Dr_willis> add applet to panel ---> Kmenu
[05:07] <slimjimflim_> you mean 'add new panel'?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> i mean 'add applet to panel' :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> The K menu is just one of many panel applets.
[05:08] <juan> dr willis is a very fast typer
[05:08] <Dr_willis> add the 'settings applet' also - Its my Fave. :)
[05:09] <Dr_willis> juan,  yep. :) and some times i even spell things right
[05:09] <slimjimflim_> ok, thanks
[05:09] <Dr_willis> whats amazing is how i type.. i got full use of my left hand.. but the right hand i use one finger to type with.. since i broke the hand years ago..
[05:09] <Dr_willis> and cant wiggle the fngers sideways as much. :)
[05:10] <juan> Dr_willis, do you know by any chance jow to tell my adept manager to stop reminding me about a specific program?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> really really got my 'typing' teacher mad. :)
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I rarely use adept manager. sorry cant help ya there. Whats its reminding you to do?
[05:10] <slimjimflim_> i also have a problem where my resolution gets reset whenever i restart x, maybe off-topic, but is there a kde setting for that?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim_,  thats odd. the xorg.conf sets the resolutions. You could set the default res in there.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[05:10] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:11] <Dr_willis> now a days X querys the monitor for what res's it can habndle and uses that info.
[05:11] <juan> to upgrade freepops, but if i do, i wont be able to use "localhost" it doesnt connect to it with that version
[05:11] <Dr_willis> xorg.conf often dosent need the info.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> !info freepops
[05:11] <ubotu> freepops: POP3 interface to several webmail sites. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.5-1 (gutsy), package size 259 kB, installed size 1188 kB
[05:11] <Dr_willis> you got a webmail server on localhost?
[05:11] <juan> yep, yahoo on kmail
[05:12] <Dr_willis> set up a different name for the machine in the hosts file that points to 127.0.0.1 perhaps.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> or use its actual ip#
[05:13] <DaveQB> whats happened to kdrc in Gutsy ??
[05:13] <DaveQB> i cant for the life of my find it
[05:13] <DaveQB> my=me
[05:13] <soulwarp> moo
[05:14] <juan> Dr_willis that sounds like chinese to me
[05:14] <Dr_willis> juan,  your machine has a name Other then localhost. and an ip other then 127.0.0.1
[05:15] <juan> yeah, that i know
[05:15] <juan> but how do i use my actual ip?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[05:15] <Dr_willis>   192.168.1.101   mythbox
it may be a restricted module, check your repositories
[05:15] <Dr_willis> My actual ip is in my hosts file (i put it there) with the mythbox name :) thats the name of this machine
[05:16] <Dr_willis> Yours may have your machine name and 127.0.0.1
[05:16] <juan> really? i vae to put mythbox?
[05:16] <juan> have
[05:16] <Dr_willis> No... You PUT IN your machines name
[05:16] <Dr_willis> and your IP
[05:17] <juan> and where do i find out my machines name?
[05:17] <Dr_willis>  you can set up all sorts of names in the hosts file if you want ted to.
[05:17] <Dr_willis> what name did ya gibe it at install? what do ya see on your bash prompt?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> try the hostname command. :)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> check the hosts file also.. it should be in there.
[05:17] <dedi> i have a very high cpu usage on wa ( = iowait), how can i find out how this is caused?
[05:17] <juan> juan@juan-desktop
[05:18] <Dr_willis> looks like your hostname is juan-dekstop
[05:18] <DaveQB> soulwarp i definately have restricted enabled
[05:18] <DaveQB> any other thoughts guys ???
[05:18] <Dr_willis> willis@MythBox:~(.025 Mb)$
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:19] <hydrogen> hydrogen@Yes
[05:19] <juan> so i would havce to put my ip + juan-desktop?
[05:19] <hydrogen> my hostname is cooler
[05:19] <slimjimflim_> i don't really know what to edit. here's my xorg.conf     pastebin.ca/746333
[05:19] <slimjimflim_> i need 1024x768
[05:20] <soulwarp> E: Couldn't find package kdrc
[05:20] <slimjimflim_> Dr_willis?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ya could give the actual web address.. :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.ca/746333
[05:20] <Dr_willis> makes it easier to open the web browser
[05:20] <slimjimflim_> sry
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Modes      "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[05:21] <Dr_willis> You are set to 1024x768
[05:21] <Dr_willis> could remove the other modes
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Modes      "1024x768"
[05:23] <slimjimflim_> hmm, ok
[05:25] <Dr_willis> logical eh?
[05:25] <slimjimflim_> yea
[05:25] <strtok> q
[05:25] <hydrogen> it may not work though
[05:25] <slimjimflim_> /etc/init.d/kde restart  ???
[05:25] <hydrogen> kdm
[05:26] <Dr_willis> or just hit alt-ctrl-backspce
[05:26] <Dr_willis> ;)
[05:26] <soulwarp> my fav command
[05:26] <juan> Dr_willis if i change my hot lo my ip, would i need to change my port? it is currently set to 2000
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lo is always 127.0.0.1 thats localhost
[05:27] <Dr_willis> port shouldent need to be messed with
[05:28] <juan> why not?
[05:28] <juan> i'm just learning
[05:28] <Dr_willis> why should it. :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> if your server is on port 2000 its on port 2000
[05:28] <juan> i don't knwo, on the freepops page it tells me to set it to 2000, so thats what i did
[05:29] <Dr_willis> i dont see why it wouldent work on localhost really. that shouldent matter
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Unless the config for the program  needs to be tweeked.
[05:30] <dennister> any other would-be gutsy upgraders having difficulty?
[05:31] <dennister> i was finally able to solve mine yesterday, so at least i know what to expect, lol
[05:31] <juan> that could be a motive
[05:32] <iRnerdK> i has a Gutsy now
[05:32] <dennister> <-----not too used to things not working anymore...kubuntu's spoiling me
[05:33] <Dr_willis> thats why i always do clean installs. :)
[05:33] <iRnerdK> i has 2 hard drives so backing up is a breeze
[05:34] <dennister> I usually do clean installs, but this time i wanted to try to upgrade method...my installation/apps takes so long to get everything working the way I want i didn't want to start from scratch if i could help it
[05:34] <hydrogen> mm
[05:34] <slimjimflim> Dr_willis, that didn't work
[05:34] <hydrogen> I had no trouble updating
[05:34] <Dr_willis> ive gotten wher ei make a little script that isntalls/tweaks things
[05:34] <hydrogen> but I did it way back around tribe5
[05:34] <dennister> and i have 2 hdd's too, it's not difficult, just takes a long time
[05:35] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim,  what res is it using then?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim,  you did change ALL the  entrys that had those 3 modes?
[05:35] <slimjimflim> 1024 again, but i had to reset it manually after kdm restarted
[05:35] <dennister> <-----had lots of probs, now mainly fixed
[05:35] <Dr_willis> really ya just need to change the one thats being used with your color depth.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> DefaultDepth    24
[05:36] <Dr_willis> so you need to change the one under
[05:36] <Dr_willis> #
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Depth       24
[05:36] <Dr_willis> #
[05:36] <Dr_willis>         Modes      "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[05:36] <iRnerdK> i make a note of what i like on my system like sudo apt-get install xxx xxx ...
[05:36] <slimjimflim> yea, i changed all of them
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I make a script that has 'sudo apt-get  .... ' :) and i keep them handy for othe rmachines
[05:37] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim,  the user can also set their res. could be its overriding the default.. but if theres only 1 default  dont see how you are using anything OTHER then 1024x768
[05:37] <Dr_willis> what res are you wanting to use? and what one are you using?
[05:38] <slimjimflim> i'm using 1024, i want 1024, but i had to set it manually
[05:38] <slimjimflim> i can't see why either
[05:38] <sd32> if I am using  kdm, do I want to unselect the gdm in the services settings?
[05:38] <pillowpants> whats the command to have a .deb get its need dependencies
[05:39] <Dr_willis> sd32,  no need. it sees that its not set to the default login manager. so it wont start.
[05:39] <sd32> dr_willis,thanks
[05:39] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim,  try making a new user - see if it affects them also.
[05:41] <slimjimflim> btw, when i restarted kdm like instructed, it wouldn't restart, so i rebooted
[05:42] <slimjimflim> which i'm doing again now
[05:42] <Dr_willis> thats very weird....
[05:42] <dennister> slimjimflim: sorry if i'm getting into your situation late, but what is your video card? i ask 'cause i had the same problem with a very old riva tnt2 card
[05:43] <iRnerdK> i think it was nvidia from what i saw in his pastebin
[05:43] <dennister> it was an emergency replacement card for my son's pc...had to do tons of xorg.conf editing of modelines
[05:43] <sd32> is there a list somewhere, of the video cards that work with ubuntu?
[05:44] <dennister> sorry, read ^^^ but didn't see pastebin...will now
[05:44] <Dr_willis> sd32,  when in doubt - stick with nvidia. :)
[05:44] <sd32> dr_willis, ok
[05:44] <iRnerdK> nvidia <3
[05:45] <elliott541a> Can anyone help me get my sound working in gutsy? when I first installed, I did a sound test and it worked, but some ine over the weekend it seems to have quit.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[05:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
also check your volume in mkix
[05:45] <iRnerdK> kmix*
[05:46] <elliott541a> Volume is up, sound system is enabled
[05:47] <sd32> I have a ati 9600 pro in here now but only have a 200 watt power supply, wonder what the fastest card I could use is?
[05:47] <elliott541a> It would a be a lot cheaper to buy a new power supply than it would a new graphics card, I think
if you want accelerated graphics i think 300
[05:48] <dennister> sd32: i concur with elliott541a...you'll eventually need another PS anyway
[05:48] <iRnerdK> +
[05:48] <iRnerdK> would be better
[05:48] <sd32> its a small hp case I cant upgrade the power in
[05:49] <dennister> the newer video cards all want 6pin ps connectors...most 1+ yr-old PS's don't thave these 6pin connectors
[05:50] <iRnerdK> i've had a case like that, PS was hard to get to. i had to removed the ram and the cd drive to get to it
[05:50] <dennister> brb
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sd32,  id stick with a low end fanless nvidia card. :)
[05:51] <dennister> slimjimflim: what kind of nvidia card do u have? the pastebin didn't say
[05:51] <sd32> it  was hp's glory days to make you upgrade sooner
[05:51] <slimjimflim> Dr_willis, when i log in w/ my new user, the screen flashes and brings me back to the kdm login screen
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sd32,   you can get a nice one for like $40
[05:51] <slimjimflim> it's an nvidia geforce 4 i think
[05:51] <Dr_willis> slimjimflim,  thats getting real weird.
[05:52] <sd32> that sounds good, thanks everyone!!
[05:52] <sd32> dr_willis, thanks
[05:52] <dennister> slimok, not the same card & prob i solved then
[05:52] <slimjimflim> i did as root, useradd <a user>, passwd <that user>...<password>
[05:53] <slimjimflim> was able to su to that user from console
[05:53] <Dr_willis> try 'startx' as that user see if theres any error messages
[05:53] <Dr_willis> try it as root and the inital user also.
[05:54] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna try from a different tty, and keep this one running
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Theres some real weirdness going on with this setup. Your xorg.conf seems right.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> and its very simple etup
[05:54] <slimjimflim> idk
[05:54] <needles_> where might i find the package libpurple0 for feisty, needed to install the gfire plugin for pidgin
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !find purple
[05:55] <ubotu> Found: libpurple-bin, libpurple-dev, libpurple0
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !find purple feisty
[05:55] <ubotu> File purple found in jpilot
[05:55] <needles_> ive found it for gutsy
[05:55] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I doubt purple would be in feisty, since Pidgin isn't
[05:55] <Dr_willis> looks like it dosent exist in feissty. have to use the source
[05:55] <needles_> but i havent upgraded yet
[05:56] <Dr_willis> or just upgrade. :)
[05:56] <needles_> Dr_willis : yeah, i compiled pidgin from source
[05:56] <needles_> Dr_willis : im thinking i may
[05:56] <needles_> is it safe?
[05:56] <needles_> ive been debating whether or not to do so
[05:56] <Dr_willis> If you dident have that libpurple hen you compiled.. you may need to install it and recompile.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I always do clean installs :)
[05:56] <dennister> isn't pidgin great? better than kopete...and gutsy's dolphin is so much better than konq or the dolphin i had with feisty
[05:56] <needles_> dennister : pidgin is great
[05:57]  * Dr_willis pukes on Dolphin and stuffs it into Tuna Cans
[05:57] <Dr_willis> First thing i do.. set Konqueror back to the default filemanager
[05:57] <Jucato> (kde4's dolphin is 10x much better than gutsy's... which isn't really dolphin)
[05:57] <dennister> but Dr_willis: why?!!!
[05:57] <Dr_willis> dennister,  because i USE the features in Konqueror thats not in dolphin.
[05:57] <dennister> i can't wait for kde4...i want arts out!
[05:58] <Dr_willis> I dont see much  in dolphin that i need. that benifites me
[05:58] <Jucato> dennister: arts has been only an optional dependency in KDE since 3.5.x
[05:58] <sd32> kde4 is in december correct?
[05:58] <needles_> ok, its official, im going to upgrade
[05:58] <needles_> !upgrade
[05:58] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:58] <Jucato> unfortunately, most binary distros opt to make it required
[05:58] <iRnerdK> yay :D
[05:58] <dennister> heheheh...well gutsy's dolphin is still kinda new to me, i like how i can actually start it with the details view instead of icons
[05:58] <needles_> kde4 looks promising
[05:58] <dennister> <-------hates! icon-based file managers
[05:58] <Dr_willis> You can set Konqueror to start in detail views..
[05:59]  * Jucato loves icons in file manglers :)
[05:59] <Jucato> er.. managers...
[05:59]  * needles_ likes to set it based on the folders contents
[05:59] <Jucato> konq could do that too
[05:59] <iRnerdK> i like dolphin
[05:59] <Jucato> but thanks to Kubuntu's menu handling... it's not so easy
[05:59] <iRnerdK> something different
[05:59] <dennister> well. i loved the old dos xtree gold, so...
[06:00] <Dr_willis> i tend to use 'mc' for my needs. :)
[06:00] <Jucato> konq can do that too!
[06:00] <dennister> yes, i tried to get konq to open and use tree or details as the default view, but it was frustrating
[06:00] <Jucato> er.. am I beginning to repeat myself? :P
[06:00] <Dr_willis> fustrating? set the default profile?
[06:00] <Jucato> dennister: not really frustrating...
[06:01] <Jucato> but Kubuntu took out 2 very useful menu entries from the Settings menu
[06:01] <Jucato> (and removed the whole Window menu)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Yea - i dislike it when the disrtos remove features like that.
[06:01] <Jucato> (and Go menu)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> wonder how to replace those
[06:01] <dennister> well, Dr_willis i tried that, but i never pretended to be as experienced as you are
[06:02] <dennister> Jucato: which menu entries r u talking about?
[06:02] <Jucato> dennister: hm? just change the View mode then Save View Profile
[06:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:02] <dennister> oops
[06:02] <Jucato> "Save View Changes Per Folder" and "Remove Folder Properties" in the Settings menu
[06:02] <Jucato> the first one allows you to set a different View mode per folder
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Thers was a extra profiles settings ya could set up also. at one time
[06:03] <dennister> well, i've got dolphin now...and it will help me get my linux-resisting son to be more receptive :)
[06:03] <Jucato> yep
[06:03] <dennister> worthy goal, eh?
[06:03] <Jucato> hahah
[06:03] <Dr_willis> I still dont see much that dolphin.. unless you perfer the 'less is  more' thing...
[06:03] <Jucato> ironcially, it was Konqueror that made more receptive to KDE :D
[06:03] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's a powerful tool for simple uses
[06:03] <Jucato> not really for everyone
[06:03] <Jucato> just as Konqueror isn't for everyone
[06:03] <Dr_willis> we all should use mc !@ ;)
[06:04] <needles_> i like konq for file browsing, but not as web surfing
[06:04] <iRnerdK> try ubuntu ;p
[06:04] <Jucato> yay for choice! :P
[06:04] <needles_> for*
[06:04] <Dr_willis> I just dont see what the hype is about dolphin. of coourse there are those dolphin bugs people keep comming in with...
[06:04] <Jucato> iRnerdK: no thanks. I'm insane enough as it is :D
[06:04] <Jucato> Dr_willis: there's no hype.. there's lots of anti-hype in fact
[06:04] <Dr_willis> give me Krusader! ;)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !info krusader
[06:04] <Jucato> and you have to differentiate dolphin (KDE4) from d3lphin
[06:05] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0-1 (gutsy), package size 3102 kB, installed size 8736 kB
[06:05] <dennister> yes, choice is what makes it so strong...and some newbies (like my kid) need less is more
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  just what we need.. more confisuing names! :)
[06:05] <Jucato> Dr_willis: not dolphiin's fault
[06:05] <dennister> yes Dr_willis i had krusader for awhile (still might) i very much liked how it was so much like xtree gold
[06:05] <Jucato> Read: http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/download.html and See: https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Dolphin-Fuzion!  thats what we need!
[06:06] <Jucato> won't happen. The real Dolphin is too much Qt4/KDE4
[06:06] <dennister> but because it would only run as root, i felt it was more dangerous for the kiddies/newbs
[06:06] <Jucato> d3lphin won't be able to merge...
[06:06] <iRnerdK> what's next? manatee file manager?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> krusader in no way should 'only' run as root.
[06:06]  * Jucato would go for mantaray
[06:06] <iRnerdK> lol
[06:06]  * Jucato always found ray's fascinating...
[06:07] <dennister> well id did run with root, and i was too lazy to figure out how to change that feature
[06:07] <iRnerdK> pidgins are cool
[06:07] <Dr_willis> if you user ran it.. then it should of ran as the user running it..
[06:07]  * iRnerdK looks at his messanger
[06:08] <Gun_Smoke> I killed kubuntu today...
[06:08] <dennister> wehen i started krusader, it asked me for password...like i said, too much work to get it configured differently
[06:08] <Dr_willis> password? Hmm.. somthing seems confused here...
[06:08]  * Jucato arrests Gun_Smoke
[06:09] <dennister> hahah
[06:09]  * Dr_willis instals krusader and checks it out...
[06:09]  * Dr_willis thinks it may be a PEBKAC :)
[06:09] <dennister> PEBKAC? translation?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Problem exists between Keyboard and Chair.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:10] <sd32> lol
[06:10] <hellhound> how can I have KDE remember a window's location on the dektop?
[06:10] <_nix_> hello everyone.. I just installed kubuntu 7.10 and I think I chose the wrong keyboard layout in the alternate installer. Is there a way to fix this?
[06:10] <dennister> ahhhh.... i'd seen taht acronym b4
[06:10] <Dr_willis> hellhound,  right click on the titlebar - look under the 'advanced' settings - you can tweak all sorts of that stuff
[06:11] <Gun_Smoke> Jucato: I remember you from earlier...... I've been with u/k-buntu for a while now..
[06:11] <Jucato> oooh
[06:11] <needles_> _nix_ : xserver-xorg edit
[06:11] <Jucato> [13:10] <Jucato> right-click on the window titlebar -> Advanced -> SPecial Window Settings
[06:11] <Jucato> [13:11] <hellhound> Jucato: i do not have that option when i right click the titlebar
[06:11] <needles_> i forgot the real command, my memory fails me
[06:11] <Jucato> hellhound: press Alt+F3?
[06:11] <Jucato> hellhound: unless you're using something like Compiz?
[06:12] <needles_> can someone tell _nix_ the command
[06:12] <_nix_> Ill try that out.. couldnt type the single quote thing..
[06:12] <hellhound> Jucato: yes i am using compiz
[06:12] <Jucato> !xconfig | needles_
[06:12] <ubotu> needles_: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[06:12] <Jucato> hellhound: that's the problem then :)
[06:12] <needles_> _nix_ : ---^
[06:12] <Jucato> you'll have to check if compiz has that kind of setting/features
[06:12] <Jucato> hellhound: #compiz-fusion
[06:12] <hellhound> Jucato: i take there is no way around then?
[06:12] <dennister> hellhound: then alt+f2 will give you a command bar, type in ccms
[06:12] <needles_> !xconfig | _nix_
[06:12] <ubotu> _nix_: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[06:12] <Gun_Smoke> But it busted for know reason after a logout and there was a pcBSD sitting right next to ubuntu.. BSD is winning.. I don't know anything about it... But so far it's been even easier then buntu
[06:12] <xevious> hellhound: i had compiz set so that it should remember the location of windows, and it didn't
[06:13] <Jucato> hellhound: there is *if* compiz has that feature
[06:13] <_nix_> thanks a lot
[06:13] <Dr_willis> those are some the tough choices with compiz or not... :)
[06:13]  * xevious ditched compiz and waits for kde4
[06:13] <hellhound> dennister: ccms "could not run the specified command"
[06:13] <needles_> !upgrade
[06:13] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:13] <dennister> hellhound: sorry! the command is ccsm
[06:14] <Dr_willis> yet another brilantly named command. :)
[06:14] <dennister> lots of ways to tweak compiz with that one
[06:15] <Jucato> compiz c_____ settings manager?
[06:15] <Gun_Smoke> Anyhow.... What else is breaking and not working in k?
[06:15] <_nix_> umm sorry but that just reconfigured the video settings.. but there was nothing that allowed me to choose a new keyboard layout! :-(
[06:15] <sd32> <---was finally able to fully turn off ipv6 with the blacklist command...phew!!!
[06:15] <xevious> Jucato: replace _____ with rap
[06:16] <Jucato> xevious: hahaha
[06:16]  * Gun_Smoke Needs a restart (kernel update) hold that thought........
[06:16] <Jucato> _nix_: which command did you use?
[06:16] <_nix_> jucato: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <Jucato> hm.. it should ask you for the keyboard layout at the very beginning
[06:16] <needles_> how long does it take to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[06:17] <dennister> needles_: when it finally did work for me, about 3 hours
[06:17] <needles_> hmm
[06:17] <needles_> i guess ill wake up to it then
[06:17] <hellhound> dennister: do you know of a way to tell it fix window placement of a certain application?
[06:17] <dennister> no almost 4 hrs
[06:17] <xevious> mine took about 3
[06:18] <Jucato> hellhound: you might want to ask in #compiz-fusion how to do that...
[06:18] <dennister> hellhound: sorry, i'm still very new to compiz, was starting work on it earlier, so that's why i remembered the ccsm stuff
[06:18] <needles_> dennister : what problems did you have
[06:18] <xevious> hellhound: #compiz-fusion can help you better, but i think it was making sure "Place windows" is enabled and setting it to smart placement
[06:19] <xevious> hellhound: but it didn't work no matter what i tried, so i gave up on compiz
[06:19] <dennister> hellhound: this is a very basic howto; it won't tell you what specifically you want to know now: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[06:19] <hellhound> Jucato & dennister: thank you
[06:19] <_nix_> jucato: oh.. k I had to type the keyboard layout there.. thanks. I was looking for something more in the lines of what I saw in the alternate installer.
[06:19] <dennister> needles_: first, with my repositories, the canadian server was having probs
[06:19] <Gun_Smoke> !upgrade
[06:19] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:19] <Dr_willis> compiz has more tweakd and tools and thangs..  :)
[06:19] <dennister> i changed them to us server, and things were much better and faster
[06:20] <Jucato> _nix_: you mean like the one in System Settings -> Regional & Language?
[06:20]  * xevious goes to find food
[06:20] <dennister> then, when all the fetching got done, it disappeared, and i didn't realize the fetching had only loaded them into adept
[06:21] <_nix_> jucato: yeah kinda' but its working now. I can type the single qoute thing.. some of my online passwords had this. thanks a lot.
[06:21] <Angelus> no wonder why the splashcreen doesn't appear on kubuntu gutsy amd64, the vesafb  module is not compiled...
[06:21] <dennister> needles_: then adept crashed as soon as i tried to install those getched updates, and i had to finish it via the shell
[06:21] <Dr_willis> I think there were a lot of issues with the vesafb stuff befor.. so they removed it. :)
[06:21] <dennister> *fetched updates
[06:22] <dennister> needles_: with me so far? :P
[06:22] <Angelus> Dr_willis: and make people stay with a monitor turned off insteaf of a splash screen? nice
[06:23] <Dr_willis> I always disable the lame splash so i can see the messages
[06:23] <Dr_willis> i disable the framebuffer also.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive seen the monitor be 'off'
[06:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I wish I could have both, just like the old usplash from Breezy
[06:23] <Jucato> and Dapper (iirc)
[06:23] <Dr_willis> I recall a few disrtos that had a purty boot screen AND the messages in the bottom half.
[06:23] <Dr_willis> thats the best of both worlds i guess. :)
[06:23] <Jucato> *buntu used to have too
[06:24] <Dr_willis> then ya got the ones that put ugly gfx on the consoles and take up space. :)
[06:24] <Angelus> so now i have to compile a custom kernel everytime to get bootup splash. nice :O
[06:24] <dennister> i like the backdrop from gentoo for my grub menu...quite purty
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Angelus,  the humanity of it all...
[06:24] <Dr_willis> the things people do for eyecandy. :()
[06:24] <Angelus> lol
[06:24] <Angelus> im addicted to eyecandy
[06:25] <Angelus> :P
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Im addicted to stability and being informed. :)
[06:25] <Angelus> but Dr_willis still
[06:25] <dennister> heheheh...i don't care for eye candy myself, but i'm forcing myself to care for the convincing-my-son goal
[06:25] <Jucato> I'm addicted to what I personally consider as useful/helpful eyecandy
[06:25] <dennister> give my kid a cool look...and he's instantly sold
[06:25] <Dr_willis> I under stand more and more why Kubuntu dident put Compiz in by default. :)
[06:25] <Jucato> that is, eyecandy that isn't (imho) senseless (wobbly windows?!?!)
[06:26] <Jucato> the reason is more technical though :)
[06:26] <xevious> i liked expo
[06:26] <Angelus> Dr_willis: by default kubuntu-desktop install the bootup splash, which people on a computer like mine will get the monitor turned off instead of the splash  because there is no vesafb module, its not good like that:p
[06:26] <Dr_willis> wait for about a year from now - when every  kid has some compiz addons for more eyecandy
[06:26] <xevious> but compiz crashed my X server about every 20 minutes
[06:26] <Angelus> i love compiz
[06:26] <Jucato> xevious: that's one useful, sensible eyecandy :)
[06:27] <xevious> Jucato: Zoom was also useful
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Angelus,  marry it then. :)
[06:27] <Jucato> xevious: another one :)
[06:27] <Angelus> if i didn't have a girlfriend, i would.
[06:27] <Angelus> :p
[06:27] <xevious> Jucato: and the drawing fire on the desktop one!
[06:27] <Jucato> the cube is semi-useful only. the desktop grid/wall is much more sensible for me
[06:27]  * Dr_willis now pronounces you Eyecandy and User.
[06:27] <iRnerdK> i tryed beryl
[06:27] <iRnerdK> wasn't bad
[06:27] <Angelus> try compiz-fusion
[06:27] <Angelus> :p
[06:27] <Dr_willis> I dont find the cube usefull at all.. it dont work/look too good with -  dual monitors.
[06:27] <iRnerdK> k :P
[06:28] <Angelus> Dr_willis: i make the cube turn everytime i change from program to program
[06:28] <Angelus> its c00l
[06:28] <xevious> Jucato: actually funny story, i was filling out the FAFSA, and the page wouldn't search for my school. just wouldn't do anything when i clicked search. so i drew a line of fire underneath it and tried again and it worked
[06:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: semi-useful only... in the sense that it gives the user a visual metaphor of an otherwise abstract "multiple desktops"
[06:28] <xid> hmm... I enabled dual screen in the display settings and now it boots to a command prompt, I type startx and it says "Requested Entity already in use"... how do I revert to original settings?
[06:28] <needles_> is my system going to have to be restarted while i upgrade?
[06:28] <iRnerdK> i never used the cube, but when you move the mouse to the upper right it puts all the windows at your reach in a thumbnail type deal
[06:29] <Jucato> iRnerdK: expose
[06:29] <Dr_willis> expose donmt work too good with dual monitors either
[06:29] <dennister> Angelus: i need to learn how to do that. make the cube do things...having some trouble with the CompizConfig Settings Manager tho
[06:29] <Jucato> Dr_willis: not everyone has dual monitors (and therefore not everyone has headaches) :P
[06:29] <xid> How do I boot my machine?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Compiz stuff needs a tool to let yu easially print out all the darn shortcuts its using...
[06:29] <apparle> how to compile .c and .cpp codes. I am just learning the language
[06:29] <dennister> needles_: yes, there's a new kernel, too
[06:30] <needles_> dennister : ah, i see
[06:30] <dennister> needles_: oops! sorry
[06:30] <dennister> not during the upgrade, after it's finished
[06:30] <needles_> dennister : ah
[06:30] <dennister> you'll want to reboot into the new kernel the upgrade provides
[06:30] <needles_> because i want to watch a movie
[06:31] <Angelus> dennister: easy, make 6 desktops, and reduce the turning speed of the rotate cube "accalaratio and speed options reduce them" . and open a program on a each desktop instead off all programs in 1 desktop, and when you swtich from 1 to other you'll have a nice cube turning everytime :p
[06:31] <Angelus> im out now, night peace
[06:31]  * Angelus gone
[06:31] <dennister> well gnome said to close all apps, but when it did work for me i refused to close other apps and do nothing...it was fine to do other stuff
[06:31] <xid> hmm... I can't boot my machine.  It boots to a command prompt and says "requested entity already in use" ever since I enabled dual displays
[06:31] <Jucato> apparle: install build-essential. then for .c (C code) "gcc filename.c -o what_you_want_the_program_to_be_called"
[06:31] <xid> how do I revert to single display?
[06:31] <Jucato> apparle: for .cpp (C++ code), use g++ instead of gcc
[06:31] <apparle> Jucato: Give me an example
[06:32] <dennister> Angelus: thank you...do you have a half decent howto to fully explain the CompizConfig Settings Manager, how to make value strings, etc.?
[06:32] <Jucato> apparle: give me a name of a .c file :)
[06:32] <apparle> hello.c
[06:32] <sabaccatus> Has anyone installed the proprietary ATI drivers on 7.04 before?
[06:32] <xid> hmmm... I guess no one knows
[06:32] <Jucato> apparle: "gcc hello.c -o hello" (explanation to follow)
[06:33] <needles_> canonical ltd. stopped supporting xmms?
[06:33] <Jucato> apparle: this will compile hello.c and produce a program (executable file) named "hello"
[06:33] <needles_> !!!!
[06:33] <Jucato> needles_: ?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> needles_,  xmms has not been getting updated for some time
[06:33] <needles_> i was unaware of this
[06:33] <Dr_willis> needles_,  check out the 'beep media player' or the Bmpx player
[06:33] <iRnerdK> !compiz-fusion
[06:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !info xmms
[06:33] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.10+20070601-1 (gutsy), package size 2101 kB, installed size 6292 kB
[06:33] <Jucato> needles_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xmms&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[06:34] <Dr_willis> !info bmpx
[06:34] <ubotu> bmpx: Beep Media Player eXperimental. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.40.0~rc3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2999 kB, installed size 9264 kB
[06:34] <apparle> How to connect net via mobile GPRS
[06:34] <Jucato> please try to search first before assuming :)
[06:34] <needles_> im not giving up on xmms
[06:34] <needles_> audacious is the next best thing
[06:34] <Jucato> needles_: even if the developers of xmms have? O.o
[06:34] <Dr_willis> You should give up on xmms.. it has issues in a lot of ways now a days
[06:34] <Jucato> amarok! :P
[06:34] <Dr_willis> theres that xmms2 i think. but its a REAL work in progress
[06:34] <needles_> Dr_willis : what issues does it have?
[06:34] <needles_> ive never noticed any
[06:35] <needles_> amarok takes up too many system resources
[06:35] <apparle> How to connect net by GPRS through moto razor V3i
[06:35] <Dr_willis> needles_,  lets see.. some how when ya doublesize it can crash X.. and a lot of other little things. the way it handles its window/decorations is also nonstandard practice i belive
[06:35] <xid> dang... kubuntu doesn't work... guess I'm going back to windows ... too much headache... no one can tell me how to fix it
[06:35] <Dr_willis> there were some other issues with xmms and  X  i forget.
[06:35] <xid> not even google
[06:36] <needles_> xid : what problems are you having
[06:36] <Jucato> !patience | xid
[06:36] <ubotu> xid: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:36] <Dr_willis> xid,  gee.. how verbose. :)
[06:36] <xid> see scrollback
[06:36] <xid> I just need to know how to disable the setting I changed
[06:36] <Dr_willis> and you are using what video card?
[06:36] <xid> I changed it to enabled dual displays
[06:37] <xid> and now it boots to a command prompt
[06:37] <xid> when I type startx, it says "requested entity already in use"
[06:37] <apparle> from where do i get real player
[06:37] <Dr_willis> look in /etc/X11/ see if theres a backup xorg.conf  replace the existing one.
[06:37] <xid> the video card that's embedded in the laptop
[06:37] <xid> a Geforce Go 4 something or other
[06:37] <dsmith_> dev.not working on xmms no longer?
[06:37] <xid> hmm... I'll try that
[06:37] <Dr_willis> you installed the nvida drivers and enableed twinview?
[06:37] <xid> Dr_willis:  no nothing like that
[06:37] <xid> Dr_willis: just a clean install of gutsy actually
[06:38] <Dr_willis> To get dual displays with nvidia - i think you do need to use the nvidia drivers, and enable twinview.
[06:38] <xid> Dr_willis: and went to system settings > display > enable dual displays or something
[06:38] <xid> ok that's good to know
[06:38] <Dr_willis> the nvidia cards have their own  nvidia-xsettings tool
[06:38] <Dr_willis> nvidia-bug-report.sh  nvidia-glx-config     nvidia-settings       nvidia-xconfig
[06:39] <Dr_willis> all part of the nvidia drivers package
[06:39] <Dr_willis> I normally just install/run the restricted-manager tool to enable the nvidia drivers.
[06:39] <xid> yes X is starting now thank you much
[06:39] <Dr_willis> then use the nvidia-settings tool to enable twinview
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Of course ive been twidding with  nvidia and twinview for years. :)
[06:40] <Dr_willis> and read the various nvidia docs/readmes and stuff over the years heh.
[06:41] <dennister> xid: see what happens when u show patience? Dr_willis is one of the best :)
[06:41]  * Dr_willis blushes
[06:41]  * Dr_willis is just RTFMING.. and spouting out what hes read..
[06:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:41] <xid> sorry to be so dramatic... it got your attention anyways
[06:41] <apparle> Any body knows how to play .rm ,.ra ,.rmvb files
[06:41] <needles_> xid : ive been there too
[06:41] <Dr_willis> xid,  actually all of this is proberly well documented on the ubuntu forums also.
[06:41] <needles_> xid : just have to ask a few times when it happens, the irc lines fill fast and stuff doesnt always get caught
[06:42] <dennister> ah yes, but sometimes the kind of attention u get is NOT what u desire
[06:42] <Dr_willis> and the !nvidia factoid
[06:42] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[06:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:42] <needles_> Dr_willis : that has never helped me, ever, ha
[06:42] <needles_> the nvidia factoid
[06:42] <Dr_willis> heck - i often check out the Gentoo docs/wikis for information. :)
[06:43] <dennister> yes...i have a gentoo installation now, too, and i learned quite a bit with that and other gentoo documentation that i now apply to kubuntu
[06:43] <needles_> dennister : how did you isntall it?
[06:43] <dennister> like when i was getting clock drift...
[06:44] <needles_> stage 3, or through a livedc
[06:44] <needles_> cd*
[06:44] <dennister> needles_: u mean gentoo? use the minimal install only...nothing else works
[06:44] <xid> you know how you google for stuff and sift through wikis and you never find the answer how to do the simplest thing and you wish you had your college professor's phone number?  That happens to me all the time since I installed linux on my laptop
[06:44] <Dr_willis> xid,  with linux to learn the fundamentals.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn the fundamentals
[06:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:44] <xid> yeah for sure
[06:44] <dennister> and I rpinted out most of the handbook, too, to have handy during the install
[06:45] <needles_> xid : it took me two weeks flat to use linux comfortable and know my way around
[06:45] <needles_> comfortably*
[06:45] <Dr_willis> read, read and read more...  then when you need info.. rember where ya saw it mentoned and go back and read.
[06:45] <needles_> just takes some reading and patience
[06:45] <needles_> but it is really worth it
[06:45] <WaltzingAlong> and by that you mean some gnu/linux-based distribution like kubuntu or just putzing with the kernel?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> read throiugh the xorg.conf, and check the xorg.conf man pages. :) lots of neat info in there.
[06:45] <needles_> dennister : how long did the minimal install take you?
[06:46] <Dr_willis> I got a whole library of old linux books from the bargin bins.. in the 'library' :) right above the TOilet.
[06:46] <needles_> linux ebooks are available all over the place
[06:46] <needles_> i recommend the wiley linux bible
[06:46] <Dr_willis> needles_,  and some of them are even legal! :)
[06:46] <dennister> needles_: i can't quite remember how long, it was a couple of months back now...but it is quite complicated, what with xorg and stuff the gentoo way...the minimal install and the handbook doesn't cover xorg
[06:47] <analterror> Hello there, i messed up my kmix settings, and want them back to default, i tried removing/reinstalling kmix, with no effect.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> problem with a lot of the books are that they can get out of date with some 'tools' thats why you focus on the core fundamentals. not the fancy gui tools
[06:47] <Dr_willis> Fundamentals dont change much
[06:47] <needles_> dennister : yeah, ive read the compile times for kde and openoffice alone are like 2 days
[06:47] <dennister> i have the wiley linux bible here, too...and yes, they get out of date real fast...but then again, so do wikis and online documentation
[06:47] <Dr_willis> 'removing/reinstalling' is a windows way.. :) that normally dosent do much under linux.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> analterror,  clarify 'messed up'
[06:48] <analterror> sounds really weird, i think maybe some crazy 3D effects
[06:48] <analterror> i have SB 5.1 btw
[06:49] <dennister> needles_: i can't tell you how many times i re-compiled my kernel, what with the wiggy ivtv drivers for my mythtv
[06:50] <flogs> ahoj
[06:50] <Dr_willis> analterror,  ive never seen anything in kmix that can do that.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> analterror,  of course reove/reinstalling kmix will NOT remove the users kmix settings
[06:50] <Dr_willis> those are in   ~/.kde/share/config/kmix*
[06:50] <dennister> needles_: the long compile times and the long installation process is the key reason why you should keep kubuntu as your working isntallation, then you aren't dependent on gentoo to get things done...my gentoo is more my sandbox/learning tool
[06:51] <mads> hi
[06:51] <Dr_willis> You might try removing those.. and make a new user  - see if his sound is messed up also
[06:51] <apparle> how to play real player files
[06:51] <Dr_willis> !realplayer
[06:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:51] <mads> i just got a freshly install on my computer
[06:51] <mads> fresh*
[06:51] <mads> but when i try to apt-get
[06:51] <mads> it automatically takes the packages from the cdrom
[06:51] <mads> how do i change that to make it go online?
[06:52] <analterror> Dr_willis:  thanks, i'll try that :)
[06:52] <mads> a file on the cd when i try to apt-get xorg is corrupt.
[06:52] <mads> \:
[06:52] <dennister> mads:  in synaptic or adept, find the 'manage repositories"
[06:52] <dennister> it's under one of the titlebar pulldown menus...uncheck the cdrom box
[06:53] <DaSkreech> grr
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Kopete!
[06:53] <dennister> !repositories
[06:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:53] <dmitry_> hello 2 all!
[06:53] <dennister> mads: that link should help you if u need more info
[06:53] <mads> im in console.-
[06:53] <mads> i dont have xorg installed.
[06:54] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[06:54] <mads> isnt there a configfile i can fix * in?
[06:54] <dmitry_> guys, i have installed virtualbox on Gibbon and this version of virtualbox doesn't hava usb support
[06:54] <dennister> mads: ok; type this: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:54] <dmitry_> how can i add usb support?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> WaltzingAlong: No kopete just sucks in general
[06:54] <DaSkreech> WaltzingAlong: Thanks though
[06:54] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[06:54] <DaSkreech> night
[06:55] <dennister> mads: make sure the line with cd rom has a # mark at the beginning, and remove any #'s from lines you do want apt to use to fetch packages
[06:55] <mads> dennister: im guessing its etc/apt/sources.lst
[06:55] <dennister> didn't i say that?
[06:55] <mads> there i only have 'deb cdrom'
[06:55] <mads> im not sure. did you? :x
[06:56] <WaltzingAlong> DaSkreech: sure thing
[06:56] <mads> should i just add 'internet' or something?
[06:56] <WaltzingAlong> !source-o-matic
[06:56] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:56] <mads> if i remove the cdrom theres nothing
[06:56] <dennister> mads...ok. hold on a sec
[06:56] <mads> cool.
[06:57] <apparle> I want to know how to install realplayer on PC without net
[07:00] <dennister> mads: i've opened up a private channel for me to give you some multiple lines
[07:00] <mads> which is?
[07:00] <mads> you mean query.
[07:01] <dennister> what client are u using to chat with us now? the channel should have popped up off the side or the bottom
[07:01] <mads> irssi
[07:01] <dennister> you can't see the new private channel?
[07:02] <mads> that's a query
[07:02] <mads> and you wrote 2 lines there
[07:02] <mads> i replied to those.
[07:02] <contrast83> Anyone know what might cause Active Desktop Borders to act like the pager's in two rows, even though it's only in one?
[07:02] <mads> it's in window 3.
[07:02] <dennister> i don't see any replies
[07:02] <mads> oh
[07:02] <mads> oh
[07:02] <mads> i need to register
[07:02] <mads> sec
[07:03] <dennister> mads: registering could take you awhile
[07:03] <mads2> it's already done.
[07:03] <mads2> try now.
[07:06] <apparle> what is KMplayer
[07:06] <xevious> a kde frontend to mplayer
[07:07] <apparle> And what is it's konquerer plugin
[07:09] <xevious> i dunno
[07:09] <xevious> i use firefox and there's just an mplayer plugin
[07:09] <xevious> not a kmplayer plugin
[07:09] <needles_> what program do you guys usally watch movies on
[07:10] <apparle> xevious: How do i install real player
[07:10] <xevious> needles_: i use kmplayer to watch movies that are located on my hard drive
[07:11] <apparle> xevious: in what way Kmplayer is better than kaffiene
[07:11] <xevious> oh
[07:11] <xevious> no
[07:11] <xevious> i use kaffeine
[07:11] <xevious> n/m
[07:11] <xevious> used to use kmplayer
[07:12] <xevious> don't trust anything i say, i'm drunk
[07:12] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[07:12] <needles_> xevious : ha
[07:12] <xevious> oh here's trouble
[07:12] <needles_> !realplayer
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <emilsedgh> apparle: kmplayer is more stable
[07:12] <apparle> xevious: Tell me how to install rel player
[07:12] <emilsedgh> apparle: also in i feel its more usable
[07:13] <needles_> i didnt know there was such a thing as kmplayer
[07:13] <needles_> i like vlc, but kaffeine is alot nicer
[07:13] <sub[t]rnl> vlc is slick
[07:13] <sub[t]rnl> i stick with mplayer though
[07:14] <needles_> the only thing i dont like about kaffeine is the side bar
[07:14] <sub[t]rnl> yeah
[07:14] <needles_> it reduces my watchable space
[07:14] <sub[t]rnl> same
[07:14] <xevious> apparle: i don't know how to install real player. i've never had a need for it
[07:14] <needles_> other than that, its pretty supurb
[07:15] <sub[t]rnl> !easyubuntu
[07:15] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[07:15] <needles_> apparle : in what way are you trying to install it?
[07:15] <needles_> with firefox, or just realplayer alone
[07:16] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[07:16] <sub[t]rnl> apparle: https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/949/RealPlayer-10.0.3-rc1-xandros3.i586.deb.tar.bz2
[07:17] <DaSkreech> apparle: Is realplayer useful on a PC without Net?
[07:20] <miles_> hello fellow kubuntu enthusiasts/users
[07:20] <needles_> oh man, im watching tron
[07:20] <bazhang> hi miles_
[07:20] <needles_> i havent seen this movie in ages
[07:20] <MilesG> does anyone in here use conky?
[07:21] <needles_> MilesG : i used to
[07:21] <DaSkreech> !hi
[07:21] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:21] <MilesG> needles_: i found out what it was today, this thing is crazy!
[07:21] <needles_> MilesG : how is it crazy?
[07:22] <MilesG> well..its not really, i am configuring it through .conkyrc, i appreciate all that you can do with it
[07:22] <MilesG> crazy.equals("sweet");
[07:23] <needles_> MilesG : yeah, i liked it
[07:23] <MilesG> needles_: why did you stop using it?
[07:24] <needles_> MilesG : i dont remember
[07:24] <needles_> MilesG : i think i reformatted my hd and just forgot to redo it
[07:25] <guillermo> ky webcam has been recognized as another camera and it does not work how do i change that?
[07:27] <capcom> hi
[07:27] <MilesG> !hi | capcom
[07:27] <ubotu> capcom: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:28] <diomedes> how can I get a root console so I can dispence with using sudo its annoying as hell
[07:28] <MilesG> diomedes: in konsole, hold the left mouse button down on the "make new tab" button and select root console
[07:29] <needles_> MilesG : haha
[07:30] <cap|com> i am using gutsy on my acer travelmate 650 notebook. when starting up, my screen turns completely white during the splash screen is displayed. when i remove the boot parameter "splash" it's fine. this was already in the first months of feisty but had been fixed later. with gutsy the problem has reappeared
[07:31] <MilesG> needles_: what?
[07:31] <sub[t]rnl> cap|com: yeah, theres a problem with the gutsy kernel and vesab.  It's being sorted
[07:32] <needles_> MilesG : left click on such and such, just thought it was funny
[07:32] <cap|com> sub[t]rnl: okay, thanx. i just wanted to give this "bug" report in case it is not still known
[07:32] <sub[t]rnl> thanks for the input
[07:33] <diomedes> it there an issue with gutsy and dual screening?
[07:33] <sub[t]rnl> not that I know of
[07:33] <sub[t]rnl> though, I havn't managed it with the intel driver
[07:34] <MilesG> needles_: i guess? i mean, i just happened to know?
[07:34] <diomedes> I have a laptop I installed before that uses a 22" display  1680x1050 works great, I set it to use the laptops own display as "2" 1440x900 it told be to logout and restart X, after doing this X won't restart, even after a reboot
[07:34] <needles_> whats the number one problem people complain about in gutsy
[07:34] <cap|com> with gutsy afaik usb-connected printers are recognized and installed automatically?
[07:34] <apparle> how to install realplayer files
[07:35] <MilesG> "wtf compiz"
[07:35] <needles_> yeah, heard that
[07:35] <bazhang> wireless
[07:35] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: rebooting wont change a non working /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:35] <needles_> bazhang : i heard wireless was improved
[07:35] <diomedes> sub shouldn't gutsy's display tool not borke the x11 conf
[07:35] <bazhang> needles_: hugely improved; wireless on laptops is tough for all distros
[07:36] <godfodder> could anyone suggest a program for kubuntu that works like daemon tools for windows?
[07:36] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: that would be nice, but its not the case
[07:37] <godfodder> i only installed this a couple days ago and i don't know much about it
[07:37] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: there are a lot of variables that come into play.  like if your current xorg.conf uses the same screen or monitor identifiers, things can get jumbled
[07:37] <cap|com> does somebody use a canon s820 printer, or is there a report on how well this device is integrated now? i formerly had to choose the cpus driver for s800 to get this printer to work, but the result was not really satisfying. i had to use turboprint for better results. should that work better now out of the box?
[07:37] <bazhang> godfodder: what's the function of daemon tools?
[07:37] <cap|com> cpus = cups
[07:37] <godfodder> it was to mount images and such
[07:38] <MilesG> "omg how do i get the cube!?"
[07:38] <diomedes> sub so who are you ment to get dual displays to work?
[07:38] <bazhang> godfodder: for burning to disk?
[07:38] <needles_> MilesG : ive never seen anyone say it like that
[07:38] <godfodder> virtual drives :)
[07:38] <DaSkreech>  !real apparle
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about real apparle - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:38] <bazhang> godfodder: virtualbox
[07:39] <DaSkreech>  !real | apparle
[07:39] <apparle> anybody knows how to connect to net on kubuntu using GPRS
[07:39] <ubotu> apparle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:39] <godfodder> :) ty
[07:39] <DaSkreech> !virtualbox
[07:39] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: with xinerama and knowing how to manually edit xorg.conf
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Night Jucato
[07:39] <guillermo> need to chane thte driver of my webcam
[07:39] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[07:39] <guillermo> can it be done?
[07:39] <apparle> DaSkreech: i donot have net on my PC which package should i download and install at home
[07:40] <DaSkreech> apparle: real.com has a package if you want full real player
[07:40] <diomedes> sub so the tool in gutsy is trash then i take it
[07:40] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bye
[07:40] <apparle> DaSkreech: Is it free
[07:40] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: for more complicated stuff like setting up and identifing your second screen? yeah
[07:40] <DaSkreech> apparle: yes
[07:41] <DaSkreech> apparle: If you want to play things other than .rmvb and rm you can use the helix player
[07:42] <apparle> DaSkreech: Kaffiene plays everything else. Do you know how to get xine engine to play real player files
[07:43] <Jucato> apparle: do you have w32codecs installed?
[07:43] <DaSkreech> apparle: It depends on the file. Some can only be played by the realplayer program
[07:43] <apparle> Jucato: I have a 64bit system
[07:43] <Jucato> ah...
[07:44] <needles_> apparle : you could convert the files
[07:44] <needles_> to something else
[07:45] <apparle> Can't I just play them. is there a real player version for amd64
[07:46] <DaSkreech> w64codecs ?
[07:46] <bazhang> :}
[07:46] <DaSkreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[07:50] <sabgenton> has any had this problem in konqueror
[07:51] <sabgenton> the find text function "/"  doesnt' work
[07:51] <sabgenton> you see the words startin -- find text as u type
[07:51] <sabgenton> but typeing doesn't doo anything
[07:52] <apparle> DaSkreech: there are 2 w64 packages which one should i download
[07:52] <needles_> my kubuntu upgrade to gutsy seems to be stuck on configuring cfs
[07:53] <sabgenton> sorry it does do something,  the konquer keybord shortcuts start working but thats it
[07:54] <sabgenton> anyone?
[07:54]  * ubunturos plans to attend the kubuntu session
[07:55] <esperegu> anyone knows how to remove the version upgrade in adept? It prevents me from installing the updates.
[07:55] <apparle> http://www.real.com/linux/ This site gives a.bin file. What to do with it
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[07:57] <bazhang> sabgenton: I believe what you want can be found in Strigi, the new desktop search tool
[07:58] <needles_> esperegu : untick pre-releases in the repositories
[08:00] <MilesG> stallman loves nano
[08:01] <sabgenton> bazhang: i just wanted to know if anyone knows the bug im taliking about
[08:01] <sabgenton> type /
[08:01] <sabgenton> an the type your search
[08:01] <sabgenton> thats the way it should work
[08:01] <sabgenton> but sometimes i type /
[08:02] <sabgenton> and i can't type my search
[08:02] <sabgenton> the letters don't come up
[08:02] <sabgenton> this is in konqueror
[08:02] <bazhang> sabgenton: not sure how to help; Strigi handles that fine here.
[08:02] <Xacarith> any one know how to get sound working in kde?
[08:02] <sabgenton> ok
[08:03] <sabgenton> i will investigate Strigi thanks
[08:03] <diomedes> ok adept keeps trying to upgrade to 7.10 when thats whats installed
[08:03] <sabgenton> heard of it
[08:04] <sub[t]rnl> diomedes: its a known bug
[08:06] <diomedes> kk
[08:06] <diomedes> i normally run centos, but kubuntu has way better support for my laptop
[08:06] <diomedes> my os of choice though is solaris
[08:07] <Xacarith> Any one?  Have no sound on kde?
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> Xacarith: hrm, do lspci |grep Audio
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> see if it recognized your sound card
[08:07] <Xacarith> They're both listed
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> run alsamixer
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> might have something muted?
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> !sound
[08:07] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:07] <sub[t]rnl> arts too
[08:08] <Xacarith> Sound system is enabled.  Where is alsamixer though?
[08:08] <RealMurphy> Xacarith: on the command line
[08:09] <RealMurphy> Xacarith: Just start a terminal (Konsole) and run alsamixer there
[08:10] <RealMurphy> Xacarith: Otherwise kmix might also be of help (under multimedia if installed)
[08:11] <Xacarith> RealMurphy It's not installed, yet
[08:12] <TheDude> so why does kubuntu-restricted-extras throw errors when you attempt to install it?
[08:13] <capcom> re
[08:13] <sub[t]rnl> TheDude: what errors are you getting?
[08:14] <capcom> after gutsy upgrade on one of my machines the gtk styles settings in kcontrol are gone. is somebody dealing with this, too?
[08:14] <needles_> my gutsy upgrade is stuck on configuring cfs
[08:14] <needles_> its been on "configuring cfs" for like 20 minutes
[08:14] <needles_> anyone heard of anything like that?
[08:15] <capcom> needles_: are you using the graphical updater?
[08:15] <needles_> yeah
[08:15] <needles_> the adept
[08:15] <TheDude> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[08:16] <capcom> this didn't work here as well. i had to abort, reboot (because of the lock on the apt-database) and run apt-get upgrade install by hand
[08:16] <esperegu> anyone knows how to set the preferred xrandr metamode??
[08:16] <capcom> ther were some dialogues to answer, i guess the graphical tool wasn't able to handle this
[08:18] <capcom> but how do i get the treeview node for gtk styles in kcontrol back...
[08:18] <phiras> What is the best DVD player for Kubuntu ?
[08:18] <capcom> my firefox looks that ugly since the upgrade..
[08:19] <capcom> gnomish
[08:19] <needles_> capcom : so youre saying i should cancel the upgrade and reboot?
[08:19] <Jucato> capcom: instatll gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[08:19] <needles_> capcom : and then do it from the terminal?
[08:19] <phiras> What is the best DVD player for Kubuntu ?
[08:19] <needles_> with "sudo apt-get upgrade install"?
[08:19] <monkey__> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5177/dragonts9.png   anyone know where i can find this image?
[08:20] <Xacarith> ok, so seems I have sound blaster working but nothing sending sound to it...  Erm  How can I change what sound card the system is trying to use?
[08:20] <Jucato> monkey__: the wallpaper?
[08:20] <monkey__> Jucato: yes
[08:20] <capcom> needles_: i did that, but here this happened quite at the beginning after the downloads were finished. if you are somewhere in the middle i can't guarantee that a reboot will work
[08:21] <Jucato> monkey__: it's pre-installed in all KDE distros. right-click on the destop-> Configure Desktop -> Background, the name is Konqui
[08:21] <capcom> i waited 2 hours but nothing went forward at 0% of the upgrade as i rebooted
[08:22] <needles_> capcom : im at 60%
[08:22] <monkey__> Jucato: you sure? is it in kubuntu 7.10? last time i checked, it's not in kubuntu (older version).
[08:22] <needles_> install
[08:22] <Jucato> monkey__: it should be.
[08:22] <needles_> Jucato : what would you recommend I do?
[08:22] <capcom> needles_: might work, might not.. it's risky
[08:23] <Jucato> monkey__: are you sure you're looking in the right place? there's a drop down list beside ( ) Picture: in the Background options
[08:23] <needles_> Jucato : my gutsy upgrade is stuck at 60 percent, on "configuring cfs"
[08:23] <Jucato> needles_: um.. not really sure
[08:23] <phiras> How can I upgrade kaffeine to let it run DVDs ?
[08:23] <Jucato> !dvd | phiras
[08:23] <ubotu> phiras: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:24] <RealMurphy> Xacarith: Then I guess you should just install it :)
[08:25] <needles_> capcom, Jucato : whats the worst that could happen if i rebooted and then tried to upgrade again
[08:25]  * Xacarith heads to bed for now
[08:25] <needles_> i just followed the instructions on the website
[08:25] <Jucato> needles_: unbootable system
[08:25] <needles_> its sort of lame that this is happening
[08:25] <PsySine> sometimes, every time I enter a new folder in konqueror, konqueror hangs up for about 24 seconds. any ideas? it's been this way since many kubuntu releases back
[08:26] <needles_> Jucato : well ive got to do something, ill be off to bed soon
[08:26] <PsySine> is also hangs for only a few seconds when I do other things
[08:27] <guuuuh> please, can anyone help me connecting two pcs by crossover cable, so i can test squid? im using a crossover cable, one side is: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7... the other: 3, 6, 1, 4, 5, 2, 7... i configured the ips on the same network, set the gateway on the "client" but i cant ping them... the interfaces are working nice... any idea?
[08:27] <bazhang> PsySine: this is on Gutsy? Have you tried Dolphin?
[08:28] <PsySine> bazhang: i uninstalled dolphin but I can try and see if it's different
[08:29] <aftertaf> anyone know why DMA cant be activated on IDE system in gutsy?
[08:29] <PsySine> bazhang: dolphin has the same problem
[08:29] <mads2> anyone familiar with cdrecorder in console?
[08:30] <bazhang> PsySine: might it be GPU related?
[08:30] <mads2> i need the command to burn an .iso to cdr in console.
[08:30] <PsySine> bazhang: no idea...
[08:31] <dennister> Jucato: do u use cdrecord in console?
[08:31] <mads2> or some other app that burns cds
[08:31] <mads2> its all good
[08:31] <Jucato> dennister: nope
[08:31] <dennister> does anyone?
[08:31] <mads2> i can apt-get install whatever.
[08:31] <needles_> does anyone have any suggestions on my frozen gutsy upgrade?
[08:31] <bazhang> mads2: try K3b
[08:31] <needles_> stuck at 60% install
[08:32] <dennister> not quite mads...you couldn't get kubuntu-desktop to install
[08:32] <mads2> true that.
[08:32] <mads2> because of the corrupt livecd.
[08:32] <runlevelten> k3b ftw, definitely.
[08:32] <mads2> whats the command then?
[08:32] <mads2> to burn a cd in console?
[08:32] <mads2> when using k3b
[08:33] <aftertaf> needles_: download a new livecd and boot to it, chroot to your broken systeml and continue the upgrade...?
[08:33] <runlevelten> you don't use k3b in a konsole, although you could use kdcop to see how to drive it from a script, like any kde app.
[08:33] <mads2> i dont have xorg
[08:33] <bazhang> PsySine: the only oddity I have had with Konqueror/Dolphin is if the file name begins with a not alphabet character, such as { or the like. Sorry couldn't be of more assistance.
[08:33] <mads2> a working xorg
[08:33] <sub[t]rnl> mads2: whatcha trying to burn?
[08:33] <mads2> a working kubuntu cd
[08:33] <mads2> the one i burned in windows
[08:33] <mads2> didnt work
[08:34] <sub[t]rnl> ah, so just ah .iso?
[08:34] <needles_> aftertaf : that sounds terrible
[08:34] <mads2> i noticed that AFTER i had the shit installed
[08:34] <needles_> i knew that upgrading was a bad idea
[08:34] <mads2> partitions fixed to reiserfs etc.
[08:34] <mads2> sub[t]rnl: yes.
[08:34] <aftertaf> needles_: lol.....  its not that bad.
[08:35] <runlevelten> oh in that case, look at cdrecord
[08:35] <mads2> an .iso to get a fully working ubuntu.
[08:35] <mads2> i did
[08:35] <mads2> whats the command?
[08:35] <bazhang> needles_: did you back up your important docs beforehand?
[08:35] <dennister> mads2: sub[t]rnl is very good at helping
[08:35] <runlevelten> the command is man cdrecord
[08:35] <runlevelten> ;)
[08:35] <mads2> no it isnt.
[08:35] <sub[t]rnl> mads2: try makedvd -burn blah.iso
[08:35] <bazhang> :}
[08:35] <mads2> man cdrecord is for people who have hours upon hours
[08:35] <needles_> bazhang : nay, i did not
[08:35] <mads2> k
[08:36] <needles_> but presumably ill still be able to get to them from another partition install
[08:36] <runlevelten> Erm... no.
[08:36] <dennister> besides, mads2's man command isn't working either
[08:36] <mads2> no such thing as makedvd
[08:36] <runlevelten> You have time to glance at a man page if you have time to seek support in irc.
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install makedvd
[08:36] <mads2> this OS is -fucked-.
[08:36] <runlevelten> the first takes less time.
[08:36] <mads2> i did
[08:36] <mads2> that didnt work.
[08:36] <bazhang> needles_: if you had a separate home directory, or a shared directory with Windows, then a fresh install won't be so bad.
[08:36] <mads2> there was no makedvd available.
[08:36] <dennister> runlevelten: u don't understand
[08:37] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, makedvd was probably part of a package suit
[08:37] <sub[t]rnl> let me dig it up
[08:37] <mads2> but i dont have DVDs
[08:37] <mads2> only CDRs
[08:37] <aftertaf> its not a dvd you have, the ISO ?
[08:37] <dennister> runlevelten: mads2 tried man cdrecord and man isn't even installed yet
[08:37] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install dvd+rw-tools
[08:37] <mads2> i dont think so, no
[08:37] <mads2> its a normal 7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[08:37] <sub[t]rnl> mads2: install that package
[08:38] <runlevelten> mads2: you have any live cds?
[08:38] <aftertaf> cdw..... but not installed by default.
[08:38] <aftertaf> mads2: how did you originally install kubuntu?
[08:39] <runlevelten> oh damn, eth working day starts.
[08:39] <dennister> runlevelten: he has one, but it's corrupt, which is why he's trying to record another one from cli
[08:39] <mads2> sub[t]rnl: done.
[08:39] <mads2> still now 'makedvd' command.
[08:39] <sub[t]rnl> no worries
[08:39] <sub[t]rnl> now
[08:39] <sub[t]rnl> do you know the location of your burning in /dev/?
[08:40] <mads2> yeah
[08:40] <sub[t]rnl> if not, check your /etc/fstab to see the device
[08:40] <sub[t]rnl> ok, good
[08:40] <sub[t]rnl> cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom driveropts=burnfree -v -data cd_image.iso
[08:40] <mads2> must be /dev/cdrom
[08:40] <mads2> or /dev/cdr
[08:40] <sub[t]rnl> ok, replace what yours is with the above command
[08:40] <mads2> erm, /dev/cdrw
[08:40] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[08:40] <dennister> aftertaf: while mads2 is following sub[t]rnl's instructions...he installed kubuntu from a livecd, but the iso file on it was corrupt, so he doesn't even have xorg server
[08:40] <capcom> Jucato: the gtk2-hint worked fine. thank you
[08:41] <Jucato> np
[08:41] <needles_> dennister : how do you do your upgrade to gutsy? through the graphical, or in the console with apt-get upgrade install
[08:41] <Delphinus> I need a Java runtime environment... would you install java-gcj-compact? or sun-java6-jre?
[08:42] <mads2> looks like it works, sub[t]rnl
[08:42] <mads2> its burning
[08:42] <mads2> hooray!
[08:42] <mads2> \o/
[08:42] <dennister> needles_: i saw you were stuck at 60%...was that in the fetch stage, or install stage
[08:42] <sub[t]rnl> mads2: :P
[08:42] <dennister> mads2: see? i told u sub[t]rnl would take care of u :)
[08:42]  * sub[t]rnl purrs
[08:42] <mads2> yus
[08:42] <mads2> ta, sub[t]rnl .
[08:42] <mads2> appreciated indeed.
[08:42] <mads2> lets hope * works this time.
[08:43] <dennister> sub[t]rnl was helping me big time last night...much mroe experienced than i at helping folks
[08:43] <dennister> needles_: i finally got my gutsy upgrade through a mixture of graphical and console
[08:43] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: you help out a lot here too
[08:44] <needles_> dennister : the install stage
[08:44] <aftertaf> ncie one ...... :)
[08:44] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: i'm trying now to help, but i haven't been in the channel for awhile...although jucato knows me...i'm usually *getting* help instead of giving
[08:45] <dennister> needles_: do you remember where it stopped?
[08:45]  * Jucato looks around.... false alarm...
[08:45] <sub[t]rnl> Jucato: hehe
[08:45] <dennister> which file? probably not debconf
[08:45] <needles_> dennister : its still going, its stuck on "configuring cfs"
[08:45] <bazhang> Delphinus: the jre; the gcj has some known bugs associated with it, that are not only affecting Ubuntu, but Suse and others as well.
[08:45] <sub[t]rnl> i'm guessing when you say Jucato a notifier pops up eh?
[08:45] <Jucato> Delphinus: sun -jre
[08:45] <Jucato> Konvi just beeps
[08:45] <Delphinus> bazhang: Jucato, thanks for that info, thought i'd check first :)
[08:45] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[08:46] <sub[t]rnl> i should really give a graphical chat client a try
[08:46] <bazhang> :}
[08:46] <dennister> needles_: so the installation of all the files hasn't aborted?
[08:46] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: irssi?
[08:46] <sub[t]rnl> i just can't leave my roots with bitchx
[08:46] <sub[t]rnl> :/
[08:46] <Jucato> ah
[08:46] <Jucato> bitchx should have a beeping feature too. just look around
[08:46] <aftertaf> sub[t]rnl: you're a console junkie, you cant do anything about it :)
[08:46]  * sub[t]rnl grabs his walker
[08:47] <needles_> dennister : no, i havent closed it yet
[08:47] <needles_> its just sitting there, stuck, telling me endlessly that i have 16 minutes until it finishes
[08:48] <dennister> needles_: have you tried doing the alt-tab through a few cycles to see if there's an error message or blue screen with questions you need to answer?
[08:48] <Jucato> needles_: if you do close it and try to continue from the command line, try to use "sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade --install-recommends"
[08:48] <aftertaf> needles_: dont you have enough bandwidth for an install via internet?
[08:48] <Jucato> (just in case)
[08:48] <Jucato> aftertaf: I think it's done downloading the packages and stuck at installing
[08:48] <aftertaf> k
[08:49] <aftertaf> whats cfs anyway.....?
[08:49] <esperegu> Anyone knows why XRANDR might be 'not selecting the default resolution'? If I run xrandr -s 0 it selects the one I need.. I thought that should happen automaticly.
[08:49] <capcom> as it seems, with gutsy it's not necessary to type in the "root pass" every time you start a kdesu-app?
[08:49] <dennister> needles_: if it's been stuck there forever, you might have to do the ctrl+c to close it, then use jucato's suggestion
[08:50] <aftertaf> capcom: it remembers you for a few minutes...
[08:50] <dennister> mads2: how r u faring? is the iso almost burnt yet?
[08:50] <Hamra> capcom: it does that with feisty too, just for a few minutes
[08:50] <Jucato> Hamra: not kdesu in feisty
[08:50] <Jucato> it's a new feature in Gutsy, brought through kdesudo
[08:50] <needles_> aftertaf : yeah, i have a 7mps connection
[08:51] <stupidgirl> blerk default dophin = gheyness
[08:51]  * Jucato pokes needles_'s adept w/ needles
[08:51] <aftertaf> i added myself to sudo group and had no pw woes...... but that has changed since :(
[08:51] <Jucato> !d3lphin | stupidgirl
[08:51] <ubotu> stupidgirl: dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[08:51] <dennister> lol @ jucato
[08:51] <stupidgirl> yah fo rly Jucato
[08:52] <Jucato> excuse me?
[08:52] <stupidgirl> you're excused
[08:52]  * aftertaf breaks a rib
[08:52] <Jucato> behave stupidgirl
[08:52] <needles_> ok, im going to stop it
[08:52] <stupidgirl> I always do
[08:52] <needles_> and use your suggestion jucato
[08:52] <sub[t]rnl> mee yow
[08:52] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[08:52] <stupidgirl> rawr
[08:52] <bazhang> good luck needles_
[08:53] <needles_> bazhang : thanks
[08:53] <aftertaf> sub[t]rnl: back from wanderings?   you spent 40 posts in the wilderness :)
[08:53] <dennister> mads2: done burning?
[08:53] <sub[t]rnl> aftertaf: the trees were calling
[08:53] <capcom> aftertaf, Hamra: thanx. i realized this formerly only in console when using sudo
[08:54] <Jucato> capcom: that's why kdesu was "upgraded" to kdesudo so that it will behave the same way
[08:54] <dennister> * is stepping away for a cancer stick...bb in 7 min
[08:54] <sub[t]rnl> mmn same
[08:54] <aftertaf> dennister: boooohhh!
[08:54]  * aftertaf too :)
[08:55] <dennister> heheheh
[08:55] <capcom> might this generally be a security problem, when a "bad" application tries to start with root privileges short after someone started a kdesudo-app?
[08:55] <stupidgirl> 83 days since i lst smoked a cancer stick w00t fer me
[08:55] <aftertaf> w00t 4 U indeed
[08:56] <Jucato> capcom: sudo isnt a security problem right? so it's the same with kdesudo
[08:56] <stupidgirl> does anyoneknow why, when starting compiz in ubuntu 7.10 with kde, i get a black screen for a few seconds, and if there is a way 2 stop it
[08:57] <capcom> Jucato: ok. was just wondering.. the world is bad ;)
[08:57] <sub[t]rnl> yeah i think you can start compiz before it tryis to load the default kdewm stupid girl
[08:57] <sub[t]rnl> try sticking -> export KDEWM=compiz in your .bashrc
[08:58] <stupidgirl> ook thnx sub[t]rnl
[08:58] <chakie_work> hm, this newer kde has lost mouse gestures for konqueror
[08:58] <Jucato> chakie_work: check System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actons ?
[08:59] <chakie_work> Jucato: yeah, i already found that
[08:59] <aftertaf> sub[t]rnl: hmm ill try that too.
[08:59] <aftertaf> if xrashage, rebootage...
[08:59] <chakie_work> Jucato: but that is one of the things that's a major thing to get to work, the ui is weird
[09:00] <Jucato> chakie_work: you don't have to create new gestures if you want. there are already built-in gestures
[09:00] <chakie_work> hm, i have no idea what i'm supposed to do in that view
[09:00] <chakie_work> Jucato: yes, and i've used those for years. now i can't find "them" anymore
[09:00] <Jucato> you mean Input Actions is empty?
[09:01] <chakie_work> yes
[09:01] <Jucato> ok now that's a bug...
[09:01] <chakie_work> the listbox? yes, it is
[09:01] <sub[t]rnl> eep
[09:01] <needles_> ok, i closed the installer
[09:01] <aftertaf> hmm, even better...
[09:01] <Jucato> hm... someone had the same problem before.. forgot how he resolved it
[09:01] <needles_> but in console, its telling me theres a dpkg lock
[09:01] <aftertaf> i drop back to kde & kwm... :)
[09:01] <Jucato> needles_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:01] <Jucato> kwin you mean :)
[09:01] <chakie_work> Jucato: well, i really only need the back, next and close tag gestures
[09:01] <aftertaf> yeah... :)
[09:01] <dennister> oh great...the dpkg locks! :(
[09:02] <bazhang> chakie_work: input actions has some pre-defined gestures here.
[09:02] <chakie_work> Jucato: but that ui is a royal mess...
[09:02] <aftertaf> looooool dennister :)
[09:02] <needles_> "status database area is locked by another process"
[09:02] <Jucato> chakie_work: the PrintScreen is also based on Input Asctions...
[09:02] <Jucato> needles_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:02] <dennister> they were giving me a real problem last night too, during my upgrade
[09:02] <needles_> Jucato : thats what it tells me when i put that in
[09:03] <Jucato> !aptfix
[09:03] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[09:03] <Jucato> needles_: those two commands ^^^
[09:03] <sub[t]rnl> rm the lock
[09:03] <needles_> Jucato : alright
[09:03] <aftertaf> !compiz
[09:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:04] <aftertaf> time to recheck everything for compiz, i think...
[09:04] <dennister> i wonder where mads2 went to...
[09:04] <needles_> ok, what do i do now?
[09:06] <Jucato> needles_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:06] <Jucato> done?
[09:06] <dennister> needles_: now: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:06] <needles_> had no effect
[09:06] <chakie_work> Jucato: well, this view is incredible. i'm definitely no noob, but i have no clue at all as to how to setup konqueror gestures
[09:06] <Jucato> needles_: sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[09:06] <needles_> Jucato : thers still a lock on it
[09:06] <Jucato> O.o
[09:07] <Jucato> chakie_work: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0
[09:07] <ke-> Anyone here playing Eve Online on kubuntu?
[09:07] <needles_> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg
[09:07] <Jucato> needles_: er.. "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock" first
[09:07] <Jucato> needles_: then "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:09] <dennister> only once that lock is removed can you start the installation process up again with my command string
[09:09] <roguejedix> Here's an interesting development: adept wants me to upgrade to gutsy. Which is what I'm using right now.
[09:09] <needles_> dennister : yeah, i know
[09:09] <needles_> the commands dont seem to be having any effect
[09:09] <dennister> i wish i could remember how i finally dealt with my lock
[09:10] <chakie_work> Jucato: thanks! no wonder i couldn't figure it out, even the author seems to have problems with it
[09:10] <dennister> roguejedix: that's a known bug...i just ignore it for now
[09:10] <needles_> !lock
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <needles_> !dpkglock
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpkglock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <roguejedix> dennister: So it's safe to assume it's going away after a certain update?
[09:11] <chakie_work> Jucato: of course, those instructions are outdated
[09:11] <dennister> roguejedix: yes
[09:11] <chakie_work> Jucato: i'll just use firefox, it has nice gestures as plugins
[09:11] <bazhang> !aptfix
[09:11] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[09:11] <roguejedix> dennister: I see. Thanks for clearing that up
[09:11] <dennister> np
[09:11] <Jucato> chakie_work: you consider a 1 month-old post as outdated?
[09:11] <needles_> Jucato, dennister : what process is dont it?
[09:11] <needles_> i could kill it, but i dont know what it is
[09:12] <needles_> and when i press ctrl + esc i see messed up data
[09:12] <dennister> what about whiptail?
[09:12] <needles_> being the semi state of upgrade that my system is in
[09:12] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: were u helping me kill the whiptail process last night?
[09:12] <chakie_work> Jucato: i was wrong, i looked for the needed button in the totally wrong place
[09:12] <sub[t]rnl> hrm, yeah i think so
[09:12] <sub[t]rnl> run top in a cli, locate the pid, then kill -5 it
[09:13] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: needles_ may be affected by it now
[09:13] <sub[t]rnl> or do ps aux |grep whiptail
[09:13] <aftertaf> oh well, no compiz for me....
[09:13] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: follow those steps
[09:13]  * Jucato goes back to work...
[09:13] <chakie_work> oh man...
[09:14] <chakie_work> who really thought that anyone could use this dialog?
[09:14] <sub[t]rnl> dennister did
[09:14] <sub[t]rnl> :}
[09:14] <bazhang> compiz is seriously over-rated; waiting for KDE4 w/ OpenGL :}
[09:14] <Jucato> chakie_work: the real solution to your problem would be to find out why Input Actions is empty and how to bring back the contents. unfortunately I don't know how
[09:14] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, kde4 using kwin for its cube compositing is going to be nice
[09:14] <dennister> what?
[09:15] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: nm :P
[09:15] <chakie_work> Jucato: yeah, it's happened on all my upgraded machines (three)
[09:15] <Jucato> chakie_work: but just to test, close System Settings, run "kbuildsycoca" (ignore any error message you see) and try looking into Input Actions again
[09:15] <aftertaf> someone should to a faq for these fixes......
[09:15] <aftertaf> s/to/do
[09:16] <needles_> how else could i kill the lock?
[09:16] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:16] <chakie_work> Jucato: no difference
[09:16] <Jucato> chakie_work: hm.. something really wrong. no idea sorry
[09:17] <Jucato> sub[t]rnl: you missed one sudo :)
[09:17]  * sub[t]rnl nuzzles his wine glass
[09:17] <chakie_work> Jucato: thanks for the help. i'll see if i can somehow hack up something. but i fear it's easier to code up a new solution than use that abomination of  adialog
[09:17] <dennister> needles_: did u try the top? or type "ps aux |grep whiptail" look for whiptail?
[09:18] <needles_> i just did "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:18] <dennister> if you see any mention of 'whiptail' that's what you may have to kill
[09:18] <needles_> like sub[t]rnl said, and it had an effect
[09:18] <sub[t]rnl> odd
[09:18] <needles_> stuff is being "set up"
[09:18] <needles_> what did that command do? "rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[09:18] <dennister> wonderful!
[09:19] <dennister> needles_: if things are being "set-up" that means your upgrade is going again
[09:19] <matthias_> hi, after installing kubuntu 7.10 from CD Adapt says there would be a distribution ubgrade, which then fails because the repositories are already gutsy. How do I get rid of the upgrade notice?
[09:19] <sub[t]rnl> yeah needles, you need to check for whiptail like dennister said though
[09:19] <Jucato> matthias_: known bug. will be fixed. ignore first
[09:19] <sub[t]rnl> if its hanging around its gonna chew up a lot of cpu
[09:20] <matthias_> thanks
[09:20] <needles_> "1000      5641  0.0  0.0   5116   816 pts/4    S+   03:19   0:00 grep whiptail"
[09:20] <needles_> i dont know what that means
[09:20] <sub[t]rnl> k, your good
[09:20] <Jucato> needles_: that wasn't for you :P
[09:20] <needles_> oh, ha
[09:20] <Jucato> it was between sub[t]rnl and dennister
[09:21] <Jucato> their own secret love affair
[09:21]  * Jucato goes back to being busy
[09:21] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[09:21] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: but the whole object of checking for whiptail was to remove the lock, and it seems the lock is gone if his upgrade has re-commenced
[09:21] <needles_> what do i do once this is finished?
[09:21] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: whiptail isn't part of the actual lock
[09:21] <dennister> if "stuff is being "set up" " like needles_ said
[09:21] <sub[t]rnl> its just left overs
[09:21] <needles_> oh my, its back to setting up cfs, but this time in console
[09:21] <sub[t]rnl> whiptail is just kinda like ncurses, used to draw up dialog boxes in a terminal
[09:22] <dennister> let's see if it hangs in terminal, or continues like it should
[09:22] <needles_> i dont even know why its installed
[09:22] <needles_> its a stenography program
[09:22] <needles_> and it is hanging yet again
[09:22] <sub[t]rnl> you'll see a hot cpu from people not killing whiptail after ctrl +c'ing or disrupting a dpkg or update
[09:22] <needles_> im going to cancel, uninstall cfs
[09:22] <needles_> then redo
[09:23] <dennister> cancel, uninstall cfs, then look for whiptail, kill it
[09:23] <bazhang> just checking out top; what is 'zombie'?
[09:23] <Jucato> a process that can't be killed...
[09:23] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[09:23]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[09:23] <sub[t]rnl> rofl!
[09:23] <bazhang> haha
[09:23] <sub[t]rnl> ok, that one got me
[09:24] <dennister> yes, very funny :)
[09:24] <Jucato> no seriously
[09:24] <Jucato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
[09:24] <bazhang> bad to have one?
[09:24] <dennister> poor needles_...and poor mads2
[09:24] <Jucato> Zombie process, an inactive (but unkillable, hence "undead") computer process
[09:24] <dennister> no one should have to go through this kind of pain
[09:25] <sub[t]rnl> phew, i thought that was just you punning us all Jucato
[09:25] <Jucato> I was... and being serious... who says I can't do both? :P
[09:25] <sub[t]rnl> brilliant
[09:25] <guuuuh> can anyone help me with a simple question about iptables?
[09:26] <needles_> ok, so heres the condition now
[09:26] <sub[t]rnl> !ask | guuuh
[09:26] <ubotu> guuuh: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:26] <dennister> mads2: u alive?
[09:26] <Jucato> !iptables
[09:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:26] <needles_> the package "cfs" is making my upgrade install freeze
[09:26] <needles_> i just sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:26] <bazhang> thanks Jucato! thought it might be a storm botnet or some such. phew!
[09:26] <Jucato> :D
[09:26] <needles_> and now its telling me to run dpkg --configure -a
[09:26] <needles_> but that will cause it to stall once more
[09:27] <needles_> so i need to find a way to get cfs removed
[09:27] <needles_> i just installed it today too, i have no idea why
[09:27] <needles_> !cfs
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <bazhang> would cfs be the completely fair scheduler?
[09:28] <Jucato> !info cfs
[09:28] <ubotu> cfs: Cryptographic Filesystem. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.1-18 (gutsy), package size 184 kB, installed size 564 kB
[09:28] <needles_> no, its a cryptographic filesystem
[09:28] <dennister> guys, should he do the dpkg --configure -a first, or first do apt-get remove --purge cfs?
[09:28] <bazhang> ok. thanks!
[09:28] <needles_> sudo apt-get remove --purge cfs
[09:29] <sub[t]rnl> i.. guess.. not sure how cfs is keeping him from unlocking dpkg though
[09:29] <sub[t]rnl> but i've seen stranger things
[09:29] <needles_> because when i put in --configure -a it just goes through the whole of it, back to cfs and then hangs
[09:29] <needles_> its like a never ending circle
[09:30] <sub[t]rnl> k, kill its process? or just purge it like dennister said
[09:30] <needles_> i cant uninstall cfs until i run --configure, but i can run configure through unless i get cfs removed
[09:30] <needles_> cfs isnt running
[09:30] <dennister> let's purge it first then, followed by the dpkg --configure -a
[09:31] <sub[t]rnl> well, he wont be able to purge it with apt
[09:31] <sub[t]rnl> locked and all
[09:31] <needles_> apt isnt locked anymore
[09:31] <sub[t]rnl> ah, righto
[09:31] <dennister> see if this order works...if not, no harm trying
[09:31] <sub[t]rnl> aint linux fun?
[09:31] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[09:31] <needles_> but it now wants to be --configured
[09:31] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : heh
[09:31] <dennister> lol
[09:32] <dennister> i should shut up...
[09:32] <dennister> contrast83: u alive? i believe you were helping me last night with the dist upgrade?
[09:32] <needles_> ok, i just ran dpkg --configure -a again
[09:32] <needles_> and its hanging again on cfs
[09:33] <needles_> !info ldconfig
[09:33] <ubotu> Package ldconfig does not exist in gutsy
[09:34] <dennister> needles_: did you ever try the dpkg remove --purge cfs?
[09:34] <needles_> dennister : yeah
[09:34] <sub[t]rnl> what happened?
[09:35] <needles_> it says i need an action input
[09:35] <needles_> wait, no i didnt before
[09:35] <needles_> i just did it and it tells me that
[09:35] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get --purge remove cfs
[09:35] <sub[t]rnl> then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:35] <dennister> oops, i forgot...mixed up apt-get line with dpkg line
[09:35] <needles_> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[09:36] <needles_> i cant uninstall it
[09:36] <needles_> because it wants me to do that
[09:36] <dennister> it's all the fault of those locks with the 'dpkg line'
[09:36] <needles_> but i can do that, because itll just stall at "setting up cfs" and lock dpkg again
[09:37] <sub[t]rnl> well this sucks needles_
[09:37] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[09:37] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : indeed it does
[09:38] <needles_> there must be a way around it though
[09:38] <sub[t]rnl> there always is
[09:38] <Hamra> what is the name of the package that have M$ fonts?
[09:38] <dennister> is the adept notifier icon in your docker?
[09:38] <needles_> i dont know what it could be
[09:38] <needles_> there was, but it just crashed
[09:38] <bazhang> mscorefonts
[09:38] <sub[t]rnl> msttcorefonts
[09:38] <bazhang> oops.
[09:38] <Hamra> thnx
[09:39] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: hrm, i guess i could try to replicate your situation with my box
[09:39] <dennister> let's try opening it again needles_ perhaps we can purge cfs from it
[09:39] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: what did you do, just install cfs, then break adept right?
[09:40] <needles_> cfs is where my gutsy install was hanging also
[09:40] <sub[t]rnl> ew, the cfs install?
[09:40] <sub[t]rnl> or download
[09:40] <caris_mere> I've upgraded to Gutsy...to do this one had to mark "pre-releases" in the repositories...should I now unmark that?
[09:40] <needles_> adept isnt working, but i dont know if thats why it isnt working
[09:40] <sub[t]rnl> caris_mere: yup, unless you want the bleeding edge
[09:41] <caris_mere> thanks
[09:41] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : the install
[09:41] <dennister> needles_: k, if i'm confused, perhaps ur confusing sub[t]rnl as well
[09:42] <needles_> lets review then
[09:42] <sub[t]rnl> i need a cig, ill catch up in a bit
[09:42] <dennister> isn't this what u did/mean: i installed cfs earlier today, then tried the gutsy upgrade, and the upgrade is stalling/hanging on the cfs?
[09:42] <needles_> i was going along my gutsy install perfectly fine, then during the installation it got up to 60%, then stopped on "setting up cfs"
[09:43] <needles_> dennister : yeah
[09:43] <dennister> ok, that's what i understood...when sub[t]rnl gets back from his cig break, we'll explain it the way i did...
[09:44] <dennister> in the meantime, let's see if you can open synaptic
[09:44] <needles_> i dont have it installed
[09:44] <dennister> get it...lots of pps swear it's more stable than adept
[09:44] <needles_> dennister : yeah
[09:45] <sub[t]rnl> k
[09:45] <needles_> but i cant do that because apt is messed up
[09:45] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: let me clarify needles_ history
[09:45] <sub[t]rnl> k
[09:45] <contrast83> dennister: Sorry, NetworkManager gave out on me. Did you make any progress with the upgrade?
[09:46] <dennister> he installed cfs earlier today...then he started the gutsy upgrade, and now it keeps hanging on the installation of the upgrade to cfs
[09:46] <sub[t]rnl> lets see
[09:46] <dennister> it's the gutsy upgrade that's begiing buggered up by the cfs upgrade, so we need to get rid of cfs somehow
[09:46] <contrast83> CFS?
[09:46] <sub[t]rnl> he needs to -finish- configure cfs then
[09:46] <dennister> contrast83: u know it?
[09:47] <sub[t]rnl> dpkg-reconfigure cfs
[09:47] <contrast83> I'm unfamiliar.
[09:47] <mads2> yay!
[09:47] <sub[t]rnl> needles try that
[09:47]  * mads2 enjoys a fully working ubuntu.
[09:47] <dennister> mads2: wonderful!
[09:47] <sub[t]rnl> grats mads
[09:47] <needles_> "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: cfs is broken or not fully installed"
[09:47] <mads2> however
[09:47] <mads2> now, the console is fucked.
[09:48] <dennister> contrast83: i did get my upgrade completely finished, thank you
[09:48] <mads2> the font is utterly big
[09:48] <mads2> then it goes black.
[09:48] <mads2> o_O
[09:48] <contrast83> Good for you. I would've given up after 12 hours. :-P
[09:48] <mads2> console as in alt + f1, f2 and so forth.
[09:48] <dennister> and now needles is having a unique-but-similar upgrade problem
[09:48] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : it says "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: cfs is broken or not fully installed"
[09:49] <dennister> mads2: what do u mean, font goes black?
[09:49] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: ok, sec
[09:49] <dennister> u mean the whole screen goes black?
[09:49] <bazhang> seems to be bug associated with it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cfs/+bug/146557
[09:49] <dennister> and how is console 'fucked'?
[09:49] <bazhang> cfs, that is.
[09:50] <stdin> dennister, mads2: watch the language in here
[09:50] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: sudo apt-get -install --reinstall cfs
[09:50] <dennister> hey, stdin :) another expert for needles_ here
[09:50] <bazhang> needles_: there is a known bug with cfs in post install process.
[09:50] <stdin> maybe when I have coffee...
[09:51] <dennister> heheheh...u just couldn't resist the admonishment, eh?
[09:51] <Hamra> isnt there any program to put in the taskbar, similar to the language bar of windows?
[09:51] <needles_> bazhang : i believe i have found it in full magnitude
[09:51] <bazhang> Hamra: for changing input language?
[09:52] <Hamra> yes
[09:52] <bazhang> scim
[09:52] <dennister> mads2: i've never had that much of a need for alt + f, f2, etc
[09:52] <sub[t]rnl> needles_ : sudo apt-get -f install
[09:52] <sub[t]rnl> for the win
[09:52] <Hamra> thnx a lot, i'll check it out
[09:52] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[09:53] <bazhang> better than the Windows implementation, imo
[09:53] <sub[t]rnl> :/
[09:53] <sub[t]rnl> did you try both the --reinstall?
[09:53] <dennister> mads2: but you have a full working xorg? check the internet section in the menu for the program called pidgin
[09:53] <needles_> basically, cfs needs to be gotten rid of by somehow getting around the fact that i need to dpkg --configure -a
[09:54] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : yeah, same comment
[09:54] <dennister> the font size is probably because you just don't have nvidia or ati restricted drivers installed yet
[09:54] <needles_> ok, is there a way to run dpkg --configure -a but have it skip over cfs?
[09:54] <akrus`Away> hm
[09:54] <akrus`Away> how to set DNS list? :D
[09:54] <needles_> as in run through everything, but no including cfs
[09:55] <Lynoure> akrus`Away: if you don't use dhcp, it's as simple as editing /etc/resolv.conf
[09:55] <sub[t]rnl> what happened when you did sudo dpkg-reconfigure cfs
[09:55] <dennister> well, it's 5 am here, and i have to go to bed
[09:55] <bazhang> g'night
[09:56] <akrus`Away> Lynoure: I edited :x
[09:56] <akrus`Away> oh
[09:56] <akrus`Away> hm
[09:56] <dennister> needles_: i'm leaving you in the more-capable hands of sub[t]rnl, stdin, jucato...
[09:56] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : it says cfs is broke or not fully installed
[09:56] <akrus> thanks :)
[09:56] <Lynoure> akrus`Away: what does ":x" mean here?
[09:56] <dennister> night everyone
[09:56] <needles_> dennister : thanks for your efforts though, i appreciate it
[09:56] <akrus> that's a smiley :x
[09:56] <sub[t]rnl> night denn
[09:56] <Jucato> stdin's here. I need to work :P
[09:56] <dennister> np
[09:56] <Lynoure> akrus: yes, but "does not work for me" or "ok, did it" smiley? :)
[09:57] <stdin> Jucato: let me at least wake up first :p
[09:57] <sub[t]rnl> needles_: wait till stdin gets some coffee
[09:57] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[09:57] <needles_> sub[t]rnl : heh, alright
[09:57] <needles_> i have to be off to bed as well
[09:57] <needles_> its like 4 am
[09:57]  * Jucato shakes stdin vigorously... Wake UP!!!!
[09:57] <bazhang> :}
[09:57] <akrus> Lynoure: it works, just i remember 7.04 had problems with it :)
[09:57] <stdin> now I just feel nauseous
[09:57] <akrus> Lynoure: nvm it's working okay
[09:58] <Lynoure> akrus: ok, that's good :)
[09:58]  * Jucato shakes stdin more
[09:58]  * Jucato is off to buy some sanity...
[09:59]  * stdin offers Jucato a discount, and throws in empathy to sweeten the deal
[09:59] <sub[t]rnl> bring back extra guys
[09:59] <sub[t]rnl> cause we're running short
[10:00] <Lynoure> akrus: but if you use dhcp (dynamic ip), the dhcp will override it, so more steps are needed. But you aren't?
[10:00] <akrus> Static here :)
[10:00] <akrus> this knetworkconf is laggy :(
[10:05] <needles_> stdin : are you awake yet?
[10:05] <stdin> needles_: sort of
[10:05] <needles_> can i let you in on my problem?
[10:06] <stdin> as long as you don't expect me to read several hours of back scroll. yes
[10:06] <needles_> stdin : certainly
[10:07] <mads2> how can i see a list
[10:07] <mads2> of packages installed and removed.
[10:07] <mads2> in the default desktop version of the add/remove programs
[10:07] <mads2> i think i accidentaly removed a program by mistake
[10:07] <mads2> now i cant remember what it was called.
[10:07] <needles_> ok, i was upgrading from feisty to gutsy, and everything was going smooth untill i got to the installation part, it went all the way to 60%, then froze on "setting up cfs"
[10:08] <uhell> froze up? sounds stable :)
[10:08] <needles_> stdin : so through the guidance of sub[t]rnl and a few others, i closed it, and attempted to continue it in console
[10:09] <needles_> there was a lock on dpkg, i removed it and attempted to sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:09] <needles_> but that process just led on down the line to another hang up on "cfs" again in the console
[10:10] <stdin> needles_: does it just hang or just fail?
[10:10] <needles_> stdin : and i cant remove purge that package, unless i can configure
[10:10] <needles_> it just hangs
[10:11] <stdin> ok, time to "hack" it to let you remove it.
[10:11] <needles_> stdin : how would i do that?
[10:12] <needles_> is there a way to pdkg --configure -a, and have it skip of cfs in the process
[10:13] <stdin> needles_: try: "echo exit | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/info/adept-common.p*"
[10:13] <needles_> with the atertisk included?
[10:13] <stdin> yes
[10:14] <stdin> erm, hold on
[10:14] <stdin>  "echo exit | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/info/cifs.p*"
[10:14] <stdin> not adept :p
[10:14]  * stdin drinks more coffee
[10:14] <stdin> cifs is wrong too....
[10:15] <stdin> last time, I promise it's right: "echo exit | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfs.p*"
[10:15] <needles_> stdin : ok, it said exit
[10:15]  * Jucato prepares stdin a galon of pure, unadulterated, unsweetened, coffee.... powder
[10:16] <needles_> stdin : what did that do?
[10:16]  * stdin eats the powder with a desert spoon
[10:16] <stdin> needles_: something you shouldn't normally do, it made the script that run before and after install/removal do nothing
[10:17] <stdin> needles_: try removing the package now, then you should complete the upgrade. after that I'll see if I can find the real problem with it
[10:17] <needles_> stdin : so what would i do now? sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[10:17] <needles_> stdin : alright
[10:17] <stdin> you may have to run dpkg before you remove it, but try removing it first
[10:18] <needles_> stdin : it wont let me remove it
[10:18] <needles_> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[10:18] <stdin> yep, run that command first then
[10:18] <needles_> same as its told me before
[10:18] <needles_> ok
[10:19] <needles_> its stalled on "setting up cfs..."
[10:19] <needles_> again
[10:19] <qrawl> How do I get rid of  <mount point>  that I accidentally created in my Home folder
[10:20] <qrawl> I want to remove that
[10:20] <qrawl> its linked to my other HD
[10:20] <stdin> needles_: did you run the last command I said "echo exit | sudo tee /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfs.p*" ?
[10:20] <needles_> stdin : yeah
[10:20] <stdin> qrawl: you have to unmount it, then you can remove the directory
[10:20] <needles_> verbatim
[10:21] <stdin> needles_: post /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfs.postinst to pastebin
[10:21] <qrawl> stdin: I cant.  I went to the Disks management, and that doesnt exist.  I believe I edited that to point to a diff folder, and it never got rid of the old one
[10:22] <qrawl> stdin, at least it's not showing up in the System panel for disks
[10:22] <stdin> qrawl: if there's nothing mounted there, then you should be able to delete the directory
[10:23] <qrawl> stdin, it doesnt look like a shortcut
[10:23] <needles_> stdin : http://pastebin.com/d64a62f2a
[10:23] <qrawl> stdin, but I'll log on as root and try deleting it
[10:23] <qrawl> I hope it doesnt really delete it
[10:24] <qrawl> ugh
[10:24] <qrawl> it wants to delete the real files
[10:25] <muchanic> qrawl: jump into konsole and manually umount it
[10:25] <stdin> needles_: ok, press Alt-F2 and put in "kdesu kate /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfs.postinst" then put "set -x" under the line with "set -e"
[10:26] <stdin> needles_: then save and run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" again
[10:26] <qrawl> muchanic, ok, whats the command
[10:27] <muchanic> sudo umount /home/user/dir
[10:27] <qrawl> ty
[10:28] <qrawl> its still there
[10:28] <muchanic> the files, or the directory?
[10:28] <qrawl> the directory
[10:28] <qrawl> and the files inside
[10:28] <qrawl> which are on the other HD
[10:29] <qrawl> ok nm.  the folder is just there, but it's empty now, becasue it's unmounted
[10:29] <qrawl> I'll delete it in root
[10:29] <needles_> stdin : ok, i complied, and there was a bit of output, but it seems to be still stalled on cfs
[10:29] <stdin> qrawl: you don't need to be root to delete it
[10:29] <stdin> needles_: post the output to pastebin then
[10:29] <qrawl> yes I did
[10:30] <qrawl> It had to be root
[10:30] <qrawl> anyway, thanks.  I got rid of it
[10:30] <needles_> stdin : http://pastebin.com/d6989c549
[10:30] <needles_> is what it shows
[10:31] <MaDiNfO_> hi all, does anyone knows if there is any issue on xine lib on 7.10 ? lots of people complaning that there is some interlaction on kaffeine or other xine based players...
[10:33] <stdin> needles_: does "test -d /var/cfs ; echo $?" show "0" ?
[10:34] <SlimG2> Is there another KDE-based web-browser other than Konqueror ?
[10:34] <needles_> stdin : it doesnt do anything
[10:35] <stdin> needles_: anything? did you put it exactly as shown?
[10:35] <needles_> yeah
[10:35] <stdin> does it just return you to a prompt?
[10:36] <needles_> stdin : no, it doesnt even do that
[10:36] <needles_> it just puts a blank line
[10:36] <needles_> and leaves it there
[10:36] <stdin> needles_: ok, press Ctrl-C, then do "ls -l /var" and post the output to pastebin
[10:37] <barbadillo_> hi all
[10:38] <barbadillo_> my kde does not start anymore after a dist-upgrade
[10:38] <needles_> stdin : its just a blank line again, no output
[10:38] <sabgenton> anyone know where to find info on the kio cgi slave
[10:38] <needles_> stdin : keep in mind im on a 60% upgraded to gutsy system, that was cancelled then
[10:39] <stdin> needles_: that's not good, looks like your filesystem is bad. you should check the filesystem
[10:40] <needles_> stdin : yeah, i know
[10:40] <needles_> stdin : im thinking about throwing in the towel now
[10:40] <needles_> ive been on this for that past few hours, and its almost 5 am, and i ahve school at 11
[10:41] <needles_> ill just burn my important files off to a dvd, and then reinstall from a livecd
[10:41] <stdin> needles_: run "sudo shutdown -F -r now" (that will immediately shutdown and restart the system to check it)
[10:41] <needles_> stdin : what if it doesnt reboot?
[10:41] <stdin> needles_: can't see why it wouldn't
[10:42] <needles_> alright, ill give it a try
[10:42] <needles_> brb
[10:42] <stdin> it'll take a while to run
[10:47] <barbadillo_> upgrading to gutsy broke my kde!!!!
[10:54] <cptnspoon> Can anyone help me get my nvidia card working under Gutsy? I've been going round in circles for days trying to get this figured out...
[10:59] <Alarm> cptnspoon, why not installing nvidia from nvidia installer ?
[10:59] <Alarm> much easier work
[10:59] <vbgunz> I heard it was possible to install Firefox and Thunderbird without any gnome dependencies. is this true? how can I find out more?
[10:59] <Alarm> all those packages that needed to be downloaded through apt just confuse me...
[11:00] <Alarm> cptnspoon, what doesnt work exactly ?
[11:00] <Jucato> vbgunz: Firefox doesn't depend on GNOME. it depends on GTK though
[11:00] <Alarm> vbgunz,  if u want the feel of kde, install qt-engine
[11:00] <Jucato> Alarm: that's already installed by default
[11:01] <Jucato> actually gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[11:01] <vbgunz> Jucato: oh had to say to you, thanks for recommending kget. I knew of wget but kget just saved my ass too on a big file... much better than konqueror by itself :)
[11:01] <Alarm> ehmm, dont know it. i am not using kubuntu :)
[11:01] <vbgunz> Jucato: thanks!
[11:01] <Jucato> Alarm: er.. ok...
[11:01] <Jucato> (what are you using then?)
[11:01] <vbgunz> Alarm: not really looking for the feel :)
[11:01] <Alarm> vbgunz,  as much i did hear u use firefox . why not adding the extension DownThemAll ? no need to load extra apps
[11:02] <Alarm> Jucato,  debian stable etch for several months now testing
[11:02] <Jucato> I see
[11:02] <vbgunz> Alarm: sorry, I don't wish to use Firefox as my primary browser. I wish to use it for development purposes only. e.g., it has Firebug :)
[11:02] <Alarm> kubuntu indeed has all the latest versions , but not so tested. many times things just crashed . not something that i like
[11:02] <Jucato> (technically, when you use a Firefox extension, you are basically loading the equivalent of a small app as well, or at least taking up as much resources)
[11:03] <Alarm> i am of the opinion , old ? does it work ? keep it :)
[11:03] <Alarm> ohh ok then
[11:03] <Jucato> (then you should have stuck to stable?)
[11:03] <Alarm> Jucato,  for sure downthemall doesnt take as much memory as kget
[11:03] <Alarm> although kget is a good application for sure
[11:04] <Jucato> quite :)
[11:04] <GuHHH>  ive configured squid, its waiting for requests on my server, but my client cant connect outside my network, it can resolve hostnames, but cant ping... i can only reach my server, not whats behind it... any help?
[11:04] <Jucato> and it doesn't require Konqueror to be running while downloading
[11:04] <Alarm> wanted to check out whats on testing . but still i kept my old kernel .
[11:04] <Jucato> kerne;
[11:04] <Jucato> kernels aren't really much of a problem :)
[11:04] <Alarm> 2.6.18-5 at the moment
[11:04] <vbgunz> Alarm: I don't need konqueror to use kget which is nice too :)
[11:04] <rc-1> hi, i bought a dell laptop, and just upgraded it to gutsy, and said it worked but when it reboots x doesnt start
[11:05] <vbgunz> rc-1: what do you see?
[11:05] <rc-1> vbgunz: crap battery is dead let me get charger
[11:05] <Alarm> well, 2.6.22 is supposed to work better, but this makes my system worse :) it finds some ps/2 interrupts and softirq wakes up taking up my cpu usage. i cant fix it , so i prefered staying back in 2.6.18 till i will figure out how
[11:06] <rc-1> pretty much the screen you get when you press controlaltf1
[11:06] <vbgunz> rc-1: so you see a login screen but nothing like a blinking cursor all by itself?
[11:06] <ubuntu> hi
[11:07] <ubuntu> so... I just installed the proprietary ati graphics driver and restarted and now x won't start
[11:07] <ubuntu> or kde
[11:07] <ubuntu> any ideas?
[11:07] <vbgunz> rc-1: I had the same experience but I had a blinking cursor on all terminals and on X screen... horrible experience
[11:07] <rc-1> vbgunz: ya
[11:07] <ubuntu> (gusty user)
[11:07] <rc-1> i think dell locked it so you couldnt change os or something
[11:07] <vbgunz> rc-1: ya what? a login box or a blinking cursor?
[11:07] <rc-1> just the login thing
[11:08] <rc-1> normal command prompt
[11:08] <vbgunz> rc-1: try logging in and then try 'startx'
[11:08] <vbgunz> see what happens
[11:08] <ubuntu> yea thats what I did
[11:08] <ubuntu> black screen
[11:08] <ubuntu> i'm on the livecd now ><
[11:09] <vbgunz> rc-1: what graphics card do you have?
[11:09] <vbgunz> that may have something to do with it
[11:09] <ubuntu> ati 9800
[11:09] <ubuntu> radeon
[11:09] <ubuntu> possibly
[11:09] <Mekzholan> I set up my system by installing ubuntu and got the kde packages then, so I've got an kubuntu system. But which gnome-packages do I have to delete now, to have an clean, leight weight kubuntu?
[11:09] <ubuntu> is there any way to revert to the normal driver for the purposes of unbreaking my os?
[11:09] <Alarm> gdm , gnomebase for sure
[11:09] <Jucato> Mekzholan: try this: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[11:10] <ubuntu> frome the livecd?
[11:10] <rc-1> vbgunz: ah sorry cant find the power cable ill worry about it later
[11:10] <vbgunz> ubuntu, do you know how to use a terminal based editor like vi, vim or nano?
[11:10] <rc-1> the default 1420n one
[11:10] <ubuntu> hm never tried nano
[11:11] <Alarm> ubuntu, its time to :)
[11:11] <vbgunz> ubuntu: make a copy of this file /etc/X11/corg.conf like this: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[11:11] <ubuntu> what do I need to change?
[11:11] <Alarm> ubuntu, depends the error xorg shows you
[11:11] <rc-1> cp your xorg.conf.backup (or whatever) to xorg.conf
[11:11] <vbgunz> not corg.conf ... sorry, xorg.conf
[11:11] <Alarm> check on /var/log/Xorg.log , or Xorg.0.log the latest one
[11:12] <ubuntu> I can probably just mount the disk and look at it in kate
[11:12] <Alarm> there will be shown whats wrong with xorg and kde wont start
[11:12] <ubuntu> sec
[11:12] <Alarm> ubuntu why to make ur life more difficult ?
[11:12] <Alarm> nano /file/you/want/to/open
[11:12] <Mekzholan> Jucato: tnx!
[11:12] <ubuntu> kk :-)
[11:13] <julius> is 7.10 very buggy for anyone?
[11:13] <julius> ive allready had dolphin crash once
[11:14] <julius> and kaffiene cant play videos (ive installed the ubuntu-restricted-extra's e.t.c. as per guides)
[11:14] <dojero> I haven't had Dolphin crash, and all my videos play on Kaffeine...were these things working for you in 7.04?
[11:15] <ubuntu> do you know how to get to my linux partition from the livecd?
[11:15] <ubuntu> all i can see in terminal is the ramdisk
[11:15] <dojero> ubuntu, just look in the storage media in a file manager (konqueror or dolphin)
[11:16] <vbgunz> ubuntu, reboot into your hard disk
[11:16] <Alarm> ubuntu thought you got problems loading X , why the need of livecd ?
[11:16] <vbgunz> ubuntu doing it from live disk aint really going to help you much..
[11:17] <rc-1> julius: dolphin doesnt crash, but whenever i close it it gives a "cannot write bookmarks file" error.  a few other small bugs too.  and movies work fine (in kaffiene but i use mplayer)
[11:17] <ubuntu> ok possibly brb
[11:17] <Alarm> Ubukubu,
[11:17] <Alarm> ubuntu
[11:17]  * vbgunz cannot wait for vlc on qt goodness :)
[11:17] <Alarm> install bitchx
[11:17] <Alarm> and join the channel from bitchx to work and be able to get also help from here
[11:19] <ubuntu> aah ok that'll help
[11:23] <dojero> Is there a way to operate another PC over the Internet?  Krdc and Krfb seem only for local networks.
[11:23] <cptnspoon> hi
[11:25] <ubuntu> hm yes it gets stuck while loading the fglrx driver
[11:25] <ubuntu> (II) fglrx(0): POWERplay not supported on this hardware
[11:26] <ubuntu> mind if i pastebin this?
[11:27] <ubuntu> http://www.pastebin.ca/746579
[11:27] <ubuntu> ^ log
[11:28] <Alarm> paste also xorg.conf please
[11:29] <Alarm> ubuntu, have you tried to reconfigure xserver ?
[11:30] <ubuntu> http://www.pastebin.ca/746584
[11:30] <julie> please french site
[11:31] <Jucato> !fr | julie
[11:31] <ubotu> julie: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:31] <ubuntu> yea IDK what any of these vars in the config file are
[11:31] <ubuntu> xorg.conf needs manual configuration?
[11:31] <Alarm> you could do it also manualy
[11:31] <Jucato> !xconfig | ubuntu
[11:31] <ubotu> ubuntu: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[11:32] <Alarm> and it will create a new xorg.con , back up your old one first
[11:32] <curi0> Alright, I have a USB Hard Drive which I can boot from, however, there are already partitions and data on the drive. Should I use partition magic to resize and create 4 partitions: partition 1 for FAT16 syslinux, ubuntu gutsy.iso, vm file, and init file; partition 2 unallocated for ext3; partition 3 unallocated for swap? Can't forget to mention that I'm dual booting XP and Vista with EASY BCD.
[11:33] <Alarm> curi0, if there are allready partitions why to create new ones ?
[11:34] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: krdc and krfb work over the internet too (afterall the internet is just a big network - or network of several networks); may i suggest openvpn, openssh, and freenx or any of the vnc servers/clients
[11:35] <ubuntu> ty so much!! i'll give it a try, brb
[11:36] <Alarm> although i see dublicates in ur xorg. dont know if that matters
[11:36] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: if krdc and krfb work on the internet, then why do I need the others you suggest?
[11:36] <Alarm> like Section "device" #
[11:36] <ubuntu> it was all automaticly done by the restricted driver manager in 7.10
[11:37] <ubuntu> so its kinda creepy that it borked all of a sudden
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> i suppose if you understood that you would already know why you thought krdc did not work over the internet; dojero
[11:37] <fregl> where do I put commands I want run during/after boot?
[11:37] <Alarm> ubuntu,  keep a backup of xorg.conf , and do an xserver reconfiguration
[11:37] <ubuntu> kk
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: it is quite likely that between your server/client and the other side client/server there are firewalls and the like, so incoming connections would be blocked by default
[11:37] <ubuntu_> yo
[11:38] <Alarm> if this wont solve your problem you still recover back your xorg.conf back
[11:38] <curi0> Alright, I have a USB Hard Drive which I can boot from, however, there are already partitions and data on the drive. Should I use partition magic to resize and create 4 partitions: partition 1 for FAT16 syslinux, ubuntu gutsy.iso, vm file, and init file; partition 2 unallocated for ext3; partition 3 unallocated for swap? Can't forget to mention that I'm dual booting XP and Vista with EASY BCD.
[11:38] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: thanks for repeating. perhaps read the replies which were already stated?
[11:38] <ubuntu_> I'm master of linux yeah !! from Poland !
[11:38] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: Okay.  So if I want to access a computer over the net, then both have to have the vnc software.
[11:38] <curi0> I didn't think you all saw my text because I was not registered
[11:38] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: one needs the server, the other the client.
[11:39] <curi0> Sorry about that!
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: not registered means cannot send private messages but can send to the channel
[11:39] <curi0> Sitting in the ubuntu channel where nobody answers my question is amazing
[11:39] <jussi01> How do you change which device the system outputs sound to? I want the sound to came through my USB headset, not my laptop speakers.
[11:39] <ubuntu_> where are logs
[11:39] <ubuntu_> ?
[11:39] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: Got it...so the one I'm trying to access is the server (since I'm going to be operating that PC remotely)...right?
[11:39] <ubuntu_> where are logs files?
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: what do you expect? what you should do? who decides that?
[11:39] <Alarm> ubuntu, /var/log
[11:40] <curi0> Alarm: There are windows partitions
[11:40] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: right and on the server side, the firewalls would need to be configured to allow incoming connections to the vnc server port, usually 5900
[11:40] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: you can format those partitions as you like
[11:40] <Alarm> installing kubuntu on it, it will ask you to format them to ext3 or whatever you would like them to
[11:40] <curi0> I have data on those partitions
[11:40] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: Thank you...I understand (I think).
[11:40] <curi0> I'm trying to find out if my procedure is right?
[11:40] <Alarm> you dont need to resize them if the size of them is ok . if i remember well during the installation you can resize them as well
[11:41] <ubuntu_> logs with used commends
[11:41] <ubuntu_> logs with used commands
[11:41] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: and on the local network the firewall would likely not exist and therefore not be blocking incoming traffic
[11:41] <ubuntu_> ?
[11:41] <Alarm> i dont know how safe it is to change fs on the HD with data on it and without formating it.
[11:41] <jussi01> !repeat | ubuntu_:
[11:41] <ubotu> ubuntu_:: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:41] <curi0> Don't you haev to have 3 partitions to install any linux on a dual boot system?
[11:41] <GuHHH> ive configured squid, its waiting for requests on my server, but my client cant connect outside my network, it can resolve hostnames, but cant ping... i can only reach my server, not whats behind it... any help? even if i disable squid, i cant ping internet, just resolve names (from client)
[11:41] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: Actually, there aren't firewalls on either end...I'm trying to access my mother's computer...she wouldn't have a clue about firewalls.
[11:41] <Alarm> ubuntu, /home/user/.bash_history
[11:42] <WaltzingAlong> Alarm: changing the filesystem would/should format it
[11:42] <curi0> For Linux sake yes
[11:42] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: but her dsl/cable router/gateway would
[11:42] <curi0> and Windows sake
[11:42] <Alarm> curi0,  copy the files on an other storage device , and resize them , format them without any risk if you dont know well what you are doing
[11:43] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: Okay...so the chances are slim I can pull this off, since I'd have to walk her through the process of accessing her cable router and opening the port.
[11:43] <curi0> Let me rephrase! I'm going to be booting from my USB hard drive to install ubuntu to local partitions.
[11:43] <curi0> Alarm: I know what i'm doing, i'm just trying to figure out if my procedure is correct.
[11:43] <Alarm> ohh, you got the iso image on the usb storage and u want to do the installation from that iso ?
[11:44] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: But at least I understand and can try to make those changes to her system when I'm there.
[11:44] <ubuntu_> THANK YOU
[11:44] <curi0> Alarm: Yes, because I'm getting Buffer I/O errors on HDC
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: right. which was my suggestion about ssh because it may be better to ssh into her computer then from there, once connected to it via ssh, run x11vnc to access her screen then a vnc viewer on the localhost to view that screen on your end. openvpn because you can create a vpn so she need not configure anything nor open any ports and all traffic on the vpn is encrypted
[11:45] <Alarm> you wont be able to do it that way . you got to extract the files and make it bootable. there is also a procedure to do to make the usb boot and run the installer
[11:45] <curi0> So, i'm planning on taking the syslinux route and configuring my USB hard drive to boot the ISO directly.
[11:45] <Alarm> would be much easier to burn it on a dvd
[11:45] <curi0> Can't if my dvd isn't reading properly
[11:45] <Alarm> curi0,  when i worked a bit with slax and usb flash , it wasnt just to have the iso on the drive, but more than that
[11:45] <curi0> That's why I have to take a different step because my DVD seems to be broken
[11:45] <Alarm> i see
[11:45] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: I'm slow to understand, but I'm getting better.  Thanks.  So I can just use Putty to get to her PC and then go from there?
[11:46] <Alarm> hold on. i have a link dont know how much this will help
[11:46] <curi0> I'm just using the USB hard drive as a CDROM that's all
[11:46] <curi0> Alarm: I've found many links regarding this matter.
[11:46] <Alarm> http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_to_a_USB_Flash_Drive
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: you could. then you need only one part, encrypt all of the traffic (sending of vnc passwords as well) and so on
[11:46] <Alarm> ok its not a usb flash drive but its still how to boot from a usb and playing with the iso
[11:46] <curi0> See the link that you'er posting is total opposite of my actions
[11:47] <curi0> Oh alright
[11:47] <curi0> gotcha!
[11:47] <curi0> You're on the same page now :)
[11:47] <Alarm> curi0, you will defenetely will have to change the mbr of the drive
[11:47] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: if you have openvpn running already she could then use krfb to send the invite to you, you could access it over the vpn.
[11:47] <curi0> Yes I know that's where my problems will come in
[11:47] <Alarm> curi0, check also that: http://www.slax.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6846&sid=40bde0cfe4142649ac31949b54f26267
[11:48] <curi0> Because i'll have to boot Vista and do the command to switch the mbr
[11:48] <curi0> and then add linux bootloader to easy bcd
[11:48] <dojero> WaltzingAlong: That may even be better.  Thank you again for this help...I'll probably try tomorrow.
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> dojero: i admin several computers and am presently at least 7 timezones away from most of them. ssh over openvpn is how i get into most
[11:49] <dojero> WaltingAlong: I'm in Italy and she's in US, so we're a couple of time zones apart, anyway.
[11:50] <Alarm> curi0, one more: http://www.linux.com/articles/46267 , just use ext type instead of f16 or f32
[11:50] <curi0> Alarm: you know what my issue probably is!
[11:50] <curi0> I downloaded the ubuntu iso from torrents
[11:50] <Alarm> that your dvd isnt working
[11:50] <curi0> Let me try downloading it directly from ubuntu
[11:51] <Alarm> and you cant install ubuntu from a dvd so you want to run the installer from the external hd
[11:51] <curi0> and let's see if I get Buffer I/O errors
[11:51] <curi0> That's what I wanted to do at first but let me try downloading a copy directly from ubuntu
[11:51] <curi0> I should've done that from the beginning, but, now i've learned my lesson!
[11:52] <Alarm> btw, is there a netinstall for kubuntu ?
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: torrent can tell you if you have the exact same bit for bit as is in the torrent; have your client check the iso for integrity
[11:52] <Alarm> curi0, check hash
[11:53] <curi0> check the hash against the website hash?
[11:53] <Alarm> although torrents rarely fail. if a package wasnt succesfuly download correctly, it downloads it again
[11:53] <curi0> what if the whole iso from the torrent site just happened to be corrupt?
[11:53] <Alarm> yeap
[11:53] <Alarm> if you downloaded it from a normal mirror i doubt it
[11:53] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: then everyone else downloading the same torrent would have (had) corrupt iso files
[11:54] <vbgunz> I am looking for a dictionary that can merge itself with my context menu. e.g., if I highlight a word in any document, I can right click and get it's definition. does anything like this exists? also, preferably it would be great if it worked offline
[11:54] <skyion> curi0, >> do a md5sum on the file and check the original
[11:55] <curi0> I'm on Windows :(
[11:55] <skyion> oh :|
[11:55] <Alarm> skyion, there are also applications for windows that do that
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: md5sum is also a win32
[11:55] <curi0> found a utility
[11:55] <curi0> !
[11:55] <skyion> kewl ;)
[11:56] <vbgunz> curi0: on Windows, my favorite md5sum checker along with a bunch of others was 'hashtab'
[11:56] <roguejedix> Might I reccomend wxChecksums
[11:57] <Alarm> sha1sum.exe 20kb big and does its job
[11:57] <Alarm> no need for installation or something
[11:57] <curi0> Found this need little proggy called md5check
[11:57] <curi0> Checking my iso right now
[11:57] <skyion> kewl
[11:57] <Alarm> curi0, that would do
[11:58] <contrast83> Somewhat of an odd question - How clean is Control+Alt+Backspace? i.e., If you have a bunch of programs running and you press that, do those programs cleanly exit or are they forcefully killed?
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> curi0: you may find it helpful to have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GnuWin32 installed on your ms windows "operating system", especially after putzing with a gnu/linux-based distro for any amount of time
[11:58] <curi0> My MD5 Hash: f4ed141eebd2b3c11ada9dac1f58c742 against isohunt.com info_hash: e02e5e117a5a9080d552a11fa675de868a05fe71
[11:58] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: killed i think
[11:58] <roguejedix> Don't torrents use md4?
[11:59] <contrast83> That's what I was thinking. Thanks.
[12:03] <vbgunz> contrast83: murdered... exit them then do that is possible
[12:03] <Minnozz> how can I set up a network bridge from eth1 to my bluetooth dongle, so I can access the my internet connection with my mobile phone?
[12:03] <vbgunz> /is/if/
[12:04] <vbgunz> I think the 'send to system tray option' in the menu editor is broken. I am trying to send kdict to the system tray but it never goes :/
[12:06] <contrast83> vbgunz: Cool, thanks. Do you know where I might find some documentation on that? Google's not helping... Sorry, just trying to prove someone wrong. :-)
[12:06] <skiffx> guys if IM installing ubuntu onto scsi12 (0,0,0) (sdh) then the bootloader should still go on (hd0) or something else?
[12:06] <Alarm> scsi ? they still exist ? :)
[12:07] <USMarine> sata2 ftw
[12:07] <skiffx> no its all sata
[12:07] <skiffx> it sees it as scsi though
[12:07] <vbgunz> heh, no, but been told plenty of times by several different users. and you can prove it to yourself with applications that save there state on a clean exit like kchmviewer or kpdf I believe. when you exit them cleanly, they restart where they exited. when you ctrl+alt+backspace, they start from the last clean exit
[12:08] <Alarm> maybe the as sda device
[12:08] <Alarm> not hd
[12:08] <curi0> Thank You, everyone for your assistance, i'll try this iso directly from ubuntu and if that doesn't work than i'll boot the iso indirectly from my usb hard drive.
[12:08] <curi0> Again, I appreciate all you've guys helped out with!
[12:08] <curi0> Thank You
[12:08] <Alarm> do an fdisk -l to check out ur partition
[12:08] <skiffx> Alarm, it saw it as sdh
[12:08] <contrast83> vbgunz: Cool, that's enough for me. Thanks much. :-)
[12:08] <skiffx> so now thebootloader goes
[12:08] <vbgunz> np :)
[12:09] <skiffx> onto hd0 or hd8?
[12:09] <Alarm> on the partition that is bootable
[12:09] <USMarine> anyone seen a peeing plane before? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/881033/amazing_scene/
[12:09] <Alarm> wheck which one is
[12:09] <Alarm> wheck -> check
[12:10] <skiffx> sdh is the bootable one with windows
[12:10] <skiffx> so what do I specify in (hd*) ?
[12:10] <Alarm> shouldnt it have a number, just asking. never saw that sdh
[12:11] <Alarm> i am not risking it to tell you bullshit as i am not so familiar with that sdh .
[12:11] <skiffx> Alarm, sdh is the bootable drive
[12:11] <Alarm> well still i am wondering why there is no number
[12:11] <skiffx> sdh is just sda-h
[12:11] <skiffx> err
[12:11] <Alarm> then do install it on sdh
[12:11] <skiffx> well sdh is separated into 3 more partitions
[12:11] <Alarm> if -h- stands for a number
[12:11] <Alarm> :)
[12:11] <Alarm> sdh1, sdh2, sdh3 ?
[12:12] <skiffx> swap is sdh3 and ext3 / is sdh2
[12:12] <skiffx> win is sdh1
[12:13] <Alarm> then i am 99% sure that u need to install it on sdh1 , check if there is also a "*" for boot on that sdh1
[12:13] <Alarm> if you put the grub on a non bootable partition u wont see grub runing
[12:14] <cperrin88> Hey, I'm searching for a way to use compiz with my ATI card
[12:14] <skiffx> Alarm, ty
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | cperrin88
[12:14] <ubotu> cperrin88: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:15] <Alarm> reboot and tell me if it was that :P
[12:16] <cperrin88> WaltzingAlong: this doesn't work. It says http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41813/
[12:16] <Alarm> ubuntu christian . what distro release is that now ? u log into gnome and see a big cross or what ?
[12:16] <skiffx> lol
[12:17] <Alarm> instead of apt-get install package , jesus please install package
[12:17] <Alarm> heee
[12:17] <Alarm> is there any distro for othomans as well ?
[12:17] <WaltzingAlong> followed by 'i promise i will never <insert sin> again
[12:17] <Alarm> hehehe WaltzingAlong
[12:17] <cperrin88> Alarm: there is a Ubuntu Satanic edition repository
[12:18] <Alarm> cool, i will try to add it into my christian distro then see what happens
[12:18] <arkygeek> hihi
[12:18] <Alarm> package conflicts ? :)
[12:18] <arkygeek> fyi: if you are running an iMac 24 and get no sound in gutsy, do this:  sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-generic    then reboot.
[12:18] <cperrin88> Alarm: On the webpage they say you should use a fresh isntalled Christian edition to use this repostitories  :D
[12:19] <Alarm> you should use a god blessed partition !
[12:20] <surface> is there a way to ask knetworkmanager remember the wpa password, instead of keep asking everytime i login?
[12:21] <arkygeek> surface - i was wondering that too...
[12:21] <surface> the kwallet is kind of useless, maybe i donno how to use it
[12:22] <Delphinus> surface: have you tried disabling the walley
[12:22] <Delphinus> wallet (
[12:22] <Yammeh> Is there anything to do to try and make kubuntu more stable? If I leave it on more than 24 hours it starts to really slow down when switching applications and when I start typing and stuff
[12:22] <werty> do you know how to configure dc++?
[12:23] <Delphinus> Yammeh: what does free -m show?
[12:23]  * Alarm is going to check the french fries...
[12:23] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: are you using compiz-fusion? or xserver-xgl?
[12:23] <surface> Delphinus: disable? no, it prompts me when first login
[12:23] <Yammeh> Not using either WaltzingAlong
[12:23] <Delphinus> surface: run kwalletmanager and it should appear in systray beside time
[12:23] <surface> why i type my wpa password in, i tot kwallet kind of remember it for me
[12:24] <Delphinus> go into options and disable it
[12:24] <Yammeh> lol, it's owning my ram, Delphinus
[12:24] <Yammeh> For no reason... I've only got like 3 applications loaded
[12:24] <Delphinus> Yammeh: how much ram you have?
[12:24] <Yammeh> 2gb
[12:24] <_luke_> hey guys - I'm looking for a way to take an AVI which was taken off Youtube and make it playable on a stock windows install for a presentation... Currently it plays fine in Linux but under windows it plays audio and no video
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: generally you want your ram used as much as possible
[12:24] <_luke_> I think it has a custom header which confuses WMP... any idea how to remove it under Linux?
[12:24] <Yammeh> Yes, but now to the point where it lags my pc
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> _luke_: use vlc on ms windows? reencode the video with mencoder
[12:25] <Delphinus> Yammeh: is it used or cached?
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: using lots of ram does not lag your pc
[12:25] <Delphinus> if its cached thats fine
[12:25] <Delphinus> how much swap is used?
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: check kinfocenter for a nice picture about it
[12:25] <_luke_> WaltzingAlong: Can't change the windows install unfortunately... I tried a few times with mencoder but I can't get a file which will play with video under windows
[12:25] <Yammeh> It says it's used
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> _luke_: so the answer is to try again until you do. man mencoder. pick the video codec that comes with ms windows
[12:26] <Yammeh> According to kinfocenter, 38% is disk cached..
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> though that really does not seem like an answer
[12:26] <Delphinus> Yammeh: how much swap is used
[12:27] <Yammeh> 2%
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: 2GB ram here; presently 50MB free; then 68% disk cache; 3% swap used; so it is not a swap issue in your case
[12:27] <Delphinus> Yammeh: if you run top, whats the load average?
[12:27] <azuk> _luke_, I've converted avi files created with my camera with mplayer's option -ffourcc DX50 in order to make them playable on Windows
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: you can also see that with uptime
[12:28] <Yammeh> which is the average? There are 3 numbers
[12:28] <Delphinus> Yammeh: give us all 3
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> they all are; different times
[12:29] <Yammeh> load average: 0.13, 0.23, 0.33
[12:29] <Yammeh> It's not the loading of new applications that's the issue, it's lag in the ones that are loaded
[12:30] <_luke_> WaltzingAlong: thanks - messing with different options
[12:30] <_luke_> azuk: Thanks - I'll give it a try
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: and those numbers are not high by any means
[12:33] <Yammeh> It's not the loading of applications that's the problem, it's the freezing when I alt tab or try to type
[12:34] <Delphinus> not sure Yammeh, did you upgrade or clean install?
[12:34] <Yammeh> I tried to upgrade and it failed, so I did a clean install
[12:35] <Delphinus> sorry cant help ya.. past midnight here and i got work tomorow.. good luck!
[12:35] <Yammeh> Ok, thanks
[12:39] <smorg> Alarm: <- guy with xserver problems
[12:39] <smorg> all better, gracias!
[12:40] <Alarm> huh ?
[12:40] <smorg> you told me to reconfigure xorg.conf
[12:40] <smorg> seems to have reverted to the default drivers
[12:40] <Amrius> hi there
[12:49] <dieter_> ahoi
[12:50] <dieter_> wieso gibts keine deutsche übersetzung für kdevelop
[12:50] <dieter_> und wie bekomm ich die?
[12:50] <_luke_> Got it working for anyone interested... had to convert to stock mpg using ffmpeg -i <file> <file>.mpg
[12:50] <flake> FYI      7.10 + qw:et client = coolness, sad thing is i'm running it on older hardware
[12:50] <dieter_> oh shit sorry this is the global channel:)
[12:51] <_luke_> flake: is the QWET full version out for for Linux yet? Or just the demo?
[12:51] <flake> full
[12:51] <dieter_> how do i get german translations for kdevelop?
[12:51] <_luke_> awesome... I purchased the game for windows... might have to look to see whether I can download it
[12:51] <_luke_> mind you the demo ran poorly under linux compared to windows :(
[12:51] <flake> _luke_ copy over your installed base folder and subdir megatexture folder
[12:52] <flake> then run client and it will install the rest
[12:52] <_luke_> flake: thanks - will give it a try later
[12:54] <Thylio> Hi,  i am trying to install Madwifi, but i get all sorts of errors. The errors come when i try to "make".
[12:56] <Thylio> Can anyone help me?
[12:56] <martoya> Thylio: install make then
[12:56] <flake> Thylio, did you do sudo apt instlall build-essential  ?
[12:56] <martoya> Thylio: sudo apt-get install make build-essential
[12:56] <Thylio> yes, i have done that
[12:57] <stdin> Thylio: madwifi is in the linux-restricted-modules package
[12:57] <yaccin> hiding the scrollbar of the contactlist wasnt a feature added by kubuntu devs, i believe...
[12:57] <Thylio> stdin: okay, then ill try to install that
[12:57] <yaccin> but anyways i have that feature back in gentoo :)
[12:59] <Thylio> stdin , do i print "sudo apt-get install linux-testricted-modules" in terminal?
[12:59] <tysonsw> !compiz
[12:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:59] <stdin> tysonsw: restricted not testricted, but yeah
[12:59] <Thylio> Hehe, okay thx
[13:01] <flake> how do you force a re-make of source
[13:01] <tysonsw> what is the command in the konsole to see if you are on feisty or gutsy?
[13:01] <stdin> flake: "make clean" then "make"
[13:01] <flake> thanks
[13:02] <stdin> !version | tysonsw
[13:02] <ubotu> tysonsw: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[13:03] <Thylio> stdin: Do i need to reboot after installing to find madwifi in Kmenu?
[13:04] <stdin> Thylio: it won't be in the kmenu, but you should reboot to see if it works
[13:05] <Thylio> Okay, how do i see if it works than?    Just put my wifi card in, and somthing pop's up?
[13:05] <stdin> Thylio: try booting with the card inserted
[13:06] <Tm_T> !dvd
[13:06] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[13:07] <Thylio> stdin:  Will do.  Sould i extrakt my TP-cabel when i boot?
[13:08] <stdin> Thylio: I don't think it should matter
[13:10] <Thylio> Thx       brb i guess :)
[13:18] <flake> in the makefile, is there an option I can use to strip to reduce the size of a binary, like  -s
[13:20] <tysonsw> what is the konsole command to start a install file??
[13:21] <stdin> probably "make stripinstall" but that depends on the makefile
[13:21] <stdin> tysonsw: what install file?
[13:21] <atlfalcons866> how can i erase free space
[13:23] <rixxon> Updated to 7.10 and graphics are very laggy - both with restricted and open drivers
[13:23] <rixxon> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP]
[13:24] <stdin> rixxon: probably because you are using Xgl
[13:25] <Angelus> OK
[13:25] <Angelus> dudes
[13:26] <Angelus> anybody who had the issue of the monitor turning off instead of splashsreen or getting a blankscreen, the fix is to compile you're own kernel with the vesafb module enabled, somehow the developerss have turned it off by default and left the boott upsplash enabled, which is a stupid thing.
[13:27] <rixxon> stdin: (now X randomly died on me) yes, Xgl seems to be running
[13:27] <Aranel> how can I add "sudo swapon /dev/sdb3" to startup ?
[13:27] <WaltzingAlong> rixxon: also using compiz-fusion ?
[13:27] <rixxon> I don't use compositing though, how do have it run normal X
[13:27] <rixxon> WaltzingAlong: kwin
[13:28] <stdin> rixxon: try uninstalling it (if you don't use compiz)
[13:28] <sandhya> Hi, can I upgrade using the alternate CD without burning it? (Just mounting it)
[13:28] <rixxon> what's the package?
[13:28] <Thylio> Angelus: Yes, when i boot i get a blackscreen, and than after a minutte or two, i come to the login section.
[13:28] <stdin> xserver-xgl
[13:28] <rixxon> nevermind
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> sandhya: mount it, as you mentioned, then run the upgrade script from the cd ?
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> sandhya: (the mounted image, i meant0
[13:29] <Thylio> stdin:  Now i have rebooted, but how do i know if my wifi thing is working, the lights ar not working (but this is a common issue on my card) What program should i use?
[13:30] <sandhya> WaltzingAlong: Just wondering if that works or if it'll cause issues upon reboot or something..
[13:30] <rixxon> stdin: thanks, works fine :)
[13:31] <stdin> Thylio: probably knetworkmanager, but you should be able to see if it's recognised by doing "iwconfig" in konsole
[13:31] <Rebecca_work> where do i enable compiz in gutsy?
[13:31] <Angelus> Thylio: the fix is to compile you're own kernel with the vesafb enabled :)
[13:31] <stdin> !compiz | Rebecca_work
[13:31] <ubotu> Rebecca_work: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[13:31]  * stdin kicks ubotu
[13:31] <Rebecca_work> crap
[13:31] <Angelus> Thylio: iv been playing with it for a week, i finaly figured out a fix
[13:31] <rixxon> stdin: so I guess that is how slow compiz would be on my laptop btw?
[13:32] <stdin> rixxon: or slower
[13:32] <rixxon> yea
[13:32] <Thylio> Angelus: Okay, how do i enable vesafb then?
[13:33] <sandhya> Running updater now - thanks!
[13:33] <Thylio> stdin: the only extention i find is in ath0, is this correct?
[13:34] <stdin> Thylio: yep, ath0 is atheros, well done :)
[13:34] <stdin> !framebuffer
[13:34] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[13:34] <Thylio> Thx for the help stdin :D
[13:34] <Stevey> hi can anyone help me with the config of my network in kubuntu?
[13:35] <stdin> Thylio: no problem :)
[13:35] <Stevey> I'm a complete newbie
[13:36] <Stevey> stdin can you help me please?
[13:37] <flake> what type of help do you need Stevey
[13:37] <Stevey> I would need some help in configuring my network
[13:38] <Stevey> I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 and can't get the network running
[13:38] <flake> you mean connected to the internet?
[13:38] <flake> or networked pc's
[13:38] <Stevey> Right now I'm on another machine... I would like to connect to the network to be able to use the printer and the internet
[13:38] <flake> you have to be a little more specific with your questions
[13:40] <flake> what is this network
[13:40] <Stevey> ok what would you like to know?
[13:42] <Stevey> flake do you read?
[13:42] <flake> yes, trying to guess what you have
[13:42] <flake> does your network have a router with a built-in firewall
[13:43] <flake> let me nick my registered name and we'll go PM to keep the clutter in here down
[13:43] <Stevey> ok
[13:45] <drarem> Stevey are you getting my pm
[13:46] <Stevey> nope sorry
[13:46] <drarem> pm me
[13:49] <Thylio> I want to change theme, and when i look at KDE-look.org, there is like 1000 diferent categories with themes. What am i supposed to download?
[13:49] <stdin> !changethemes
[13:49] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[13:50] <Thylio> thx again :P
[13:51] <CPrompt^> so...how are peoples upgrades going?  I still haven't gotten anything from Adept saying that there's a new version which is a bit strange
[13:51] <CPrompt^> kind of a mixed bunch as far as success and errors?
[13:51] <wastedfluid> it's a little rough, but it works.
[13:51] <CPrompt^> wastedfluid : how did you do the upgrade?
[13:52] <drarem> be back, don't know why konversation is left out of basic install
[13:52] <dystopianray> konversation is in kubuntu by default
[13:53] <drarem> not in my 7.10 cd
[13:53] <wastedfluid> CPrompt^: I did the net upgrade; then wiped out my install for the cd install.
[13:53] <drarem> clean install, unless there was a prompt and I didn't check it
[13:53] <wastedfluid> But Gutsy was too rough for me, especially for my laptop.  Kmilo was broke, which was depressing.. had to revert to an older kmilo version.
[13:54] <wastedfluid> I reverted back to fiesty, and i'm installing 3.5.8 for now.  :-)
[13:54] <wastedfluid> I forgot abou those two bugs; kopete, and kmilo.. I guess I get to work on those now :p
[13:54] <jimmydee> hi guys, samba question this morning, I got samba all set up, it sees it from my windows box, but wont let me authenticate, help?
[13:55] <Rebecca_work> anyone know how i tell adept to fetch through a web proxy. it's falling down and i think that's why. i have configured proxy details in network settings and konq works through it.. but adept is still failing fetching updates
[13:56] <bobbi> help - i'm a novice stuck in mid upgrade from feisty to gutsy- what can i do?
[13:56] <jimmydee> how far along are you bobbi?
[13:57] <jimmydee> g'day stdin
[13:57] <bobbi> jimmydee - i'm in the installing upgrades bit
[13:57] <jimmydee> and the problem is?
[13:57] <stdin> hmm, lagged out there
[13:58] <bobbi> jimmydee - it seems to be frozen at 'configuring libselinux1'
[13:58] <Rebecca_work> anyone know how to get apt working behind a proxy?
[13:59] <jimmydee> how long has it been stuck bobbi?
[13:59] <superman> hi
[13:59] <bobbi> jimmydee - at least thirty minutes
[14:00] <jimmydee> ctrl c try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again?
[14:00] <superman> can anybody help me configure my network so I can connect to the Internet? I have kubuntu 7.04
[14:00] <bobbi> jimmydee - i'll give that a try - thanks
[14:01] <jimmydee> stdin do you have to change all the feisty's in sources.list to gutsy's to dist upgrade?
[14:01] <stdin> jimmydee: no, use adept
[14:01] <drarem> ok where's Stevey
[14:01] <jimmydee> ok, supposing one were to be using the terminal?
[14:02] <atlfalcons866> how can i wipe free space
[14:02] <stdin> jimmydee: then install update-manager-core and do "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:03] <jimmydee> ahh, learn something new every day
[14:03] <superman> Hi!
[14:03] <superman> Can anybody help me with my network problem on kubuntu 7.04?
[14:03] <drarem> is that you Stevey
[14:03] <bobbi> jimmydee - console errr msg - Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:04] <jimmydee> is adept still open?
[14:04] <bobbi> i'll close it but it warns me i might get an unusable system
[14:04] <wankoo> Uptime: 37 minutes
[14:05] <jimmydee> bobbi: wouldnt want that, one moment, stdin, what do you think of bobbi's situation?
[14:05] <bobbi> jimmydee - its done
[14:05] <superman> Hi drarem it's me, Stevey!
[14:05] <stdin> bobbi, jimmydee: it's safer than just changing sources
[14:05] <drarem> is your nick registered
[14:06] <superman> no not yet
[14:06] <superman> how can I register it?
[14:06] <jimmydee> true enough
[14:06] <drarem> can't do pm then..  do you have a laptop and trying to connect to network?
[14:06] <wastedfluid> superman: see /ns help register
[14:06] <bobbi> jimmydee - i'm getting same error msg in console
[14:07] <superman> yes I have a working computer in the network... on the one I just set up with linux, I also have win xp running and it has internet and network connectivity
[14:07] <stdin> bobbi: about /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[14:08] <bobbi> stdin - ello?
[14:08] <drarem> what type of computer is linux on
[14:09] <stdin> bobbi: the message in the console, is it about that lock file again?
[14:09] <superman> a pc...
[14:09] <d347hm4n> can i get some help with my wireless connection anyone?
[14:09] <jimmydee> !wireless
[14:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:10] <bobbi> stdin - yes same message
[14:10] <superman> what do you mean?
[14:10] <stdin> bobbi: try "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock" to kill any process locking it
[14:10] <dhq_> bobbi, well do you have adept or synaptics open
[14:10] <drarem> you should try www.google.com, I don't know enough to guess why you can't connect, other than maybe you have a router with mac address filtering?
[14:10] <drarem> or is it wireless..
[14:10] <superman> I don't know the setup of the network, because its a bigger network here... I used the same settings as in the windows
[14:11] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: how do i find out what chipset i have on the card?
[14:11] <bobbi> dhq nope only console and this conversation
[14:11] <jimmydee> d347hm4n:brand, make, model?
[14:11] <drarem> if you don't own the network, chances are they restrict access
[14:11] <dhq_> bobbi, did you use sudo before the command
[14:11] <drarem> and have to add your machine manually
[14:11] <bobbi> dhq - yup
[14:12] <bobbi> stdin - process killed - i'll retry
[14:12] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: well on the box it says it was autodetected in ubuntu, it says it's a safecom swlpr-5400 on the box but in the knetwork manager it says it is a realtech rtl-8185
[14:13] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: you can see why im confused :D
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[14:13] <Mac40DO> Hi! How can I install these konsole-fonts: console8x16.pcf.gz and 9x15.pcf.gz?
[14:13] <bobbi> stdin - i still get the same locked file message
[14:13] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: I'd say its a safe bet its the realtek, they make chipsets for all kinds of manufacturers
[14:13] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: so then i take it that the driver is installed correctly
[14:14] <jimmydee> d347hm4n:are you getting wireless?
[14:14] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: but i have a wpa access point and when i try and access it it freezes the pc
[14:14] <bobbi> stdin: dare i try restarting my pc?
[14:14] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: i can see the ap if thats what you mean
[14:14] <stdin> bobbi: that will probably fix it
[14:14] <Flats> I upgraded my kubunut to 7.1 last week but everyday adept manager says new upgrade available, goes thru all the gyrations then says I am already up to date.  Can I make it stop asking me to upgrade?
[14:15] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: ok then I'd say the driver is in right
[14:15] <bobbi> stdin: i'll try that - i have access to another pc if it won't reboot
[14:15] <dhq_> Flats, thats a bug in adept
[14:15] <Flats> ahhh OK
[14:15] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: but accessing the ap make the computer freeze and i have to reboot, i read somewhere that you have to use kwifimanager to connect to a wpa ap
[14:16] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: can you turn off wpa for a sec and see if you get in?
[14:16] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: give me a min, ill get back to you
[14:16] <bobbi> stdin, dhq and jimmydee: see you later hopefully and thanks
[14:16] <jimmydee> K
[14:17] <Rebecca_work> is there a known fault with adept not releasing the lock file?
[14:17] <jimmydee> I've seen synaptic do it
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Flats, I went thru the same thing, the next time the adept manager asks you to update just reconfigure it not to start ...then do an apt-get upgrade everyday and you will be notified of the regular updates in a less bothersome way.
[14:18] <ubunturos> how do I remove a half-configured package?
[14:18] <d347hm4n> jimmydee:if i disappear it is because i have stalled at 28% and then crashed, ill be back though
[14:18] <Thylio> When i open a program in desktop1, why do i see it in the taskline in desktop2? I don't want that.
[14:18] <frank__> Ok that sounds easy enough
[14:18] <wastedfluid> i just use apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade w/out adept
[14:18] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: I'll be here
[14:18] <jimmydee> !wireless
[14:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:18] <ubunturos> dpkg -r package-name doesn't help
[14:19] <dhq_> ubunturos, hey
[14:19] <ubunturos> hey dhq
[14:19] <dhq_> ubunturos, cant wait for kde4
[14:20] <ubunturos> dhq_: umm, December
[14:20] <ubunturos> btw dhq_ do you know how to remove a half-configured package in Kubuntu?
[14:20] <dhq_> ubunturos, jan i guess
[14:20] <WaltzingAlong> ubunturos: yes sudo dpkg -r <package>
[14:20] <ubunturos> dhq_: ah, yes, they did change the date
[14:20] <dhq_> right on it WaltzingAlong :)
[14:20] <ubunturos> WaltzingAlong: that doesn't work - it cannot find the package, since it is not installed
[14:20] <Rebecca_work> how i unlock the apt/adept lock file?
[14:20] <jimmydee> ubunturos: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[14:21] <ubunturos> jimmydee: that doesn't work - package is not installed
[14:21] <BluesKaj> what's with the new distribution version available? ..I did a clean gutsy install !
[14:21] <dhq_> Rebecca_work, just do a killall adept
[14:21] <ubunturos> jimmydee: WaltzingAlong - it is half-configured
[14:21] <Angelus> BluesKaj: bug
[14:21] <dhq_> Rebecca_work, just do a killall and find any process with adept and make sure you are root whan youu run it
[14:21] <WaltzingAlong> Thylio: customize the panel then. kcontrol, find taskbar, change the options there
[14:21] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: as predicted, without the wpa encryption
[14:22] <jimmydee> sudo apt-get -f install then sudo apt-get remove packagename
[14:22] <Angelus> BluesKaj: its' and adept bug , you're adept wil be updated and the bug will be fixed
[14:22] <dhq_> ubunturos, you could find the package you installed in synaptics and remove it
[14:22] <Thylio> WaltzingAlong: Okay, thx
[14:22] <Angelus> Thylio: have you fixed it?
[14:22] <luca> hi everyone
[14:22] <dhq_> ubunturos,  sudo apt-get remove packagename
[14:22] <dhq_> should work
[14:22] <Angelus> if you want i have a how Thylio for the bootup splash
[14:22] <ubunturos> dhq_: the package *is not* installed - it is *half-configured*
[14:22] <luca> does anyone use the kdesvn-buildrc script successufully?
[14:22] <Rebecca_work> dhq_: thanks
[14:23] <jimmydee> ubunturos: sudo apt-get -f install then sudo apt-get remove packagename
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> ubunturos: you did not install it through a .deb or apt or adept or such?
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> ubunturos: or you installed from source?
[14:23] <dhq_> jimmydee, what if he is installing from source or deb
[14:23] <Thylio> Angelus: Yes, pleas tell me how to fix it :)
[14:23] <ubunturos> WaltzingAlong: I installed it using Adept, but it stopped midway
[14:23] <Angelus> ok i'll give you the link Thylio
[14:23] <ubunturos> WaltzingAlong: now, the status of the package is "Half-configured"
[14:23] <dhq_> ubunturos, the do sudo apt-get -f install
[14:24] <dhq_> ubunturos, and then remove the package
[14:24] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: feel like installing kwifimanager?
[14:24] <WaltzingAlong> ok then from the console you should be able to run sudo dpkg -r <package name>  but it may also work to do sudo aptitude purge <package>; sudo dpkg --configure -a    should attempt to configure it
[14:24] <Angelus> Thylio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/156225
[14:24] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: i have it installed. Should i just tryagain in that
[14:25] <jimmydee> give it a swing
[14:25] <Thylio> Angelus: Thx. I'll try to fix it now=)
[14:25] <dhq_> ubunturos, sudo apt-get -f install this will configures and install the package ie if you used adept
[14:25] <Angelus> for nothing Thylio
[14:25] <d347hm4n> woohoo i'll be back :D
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Angelus, what do you mean adept will be updated ? when and how?
[14:26] <blendtux> how can i change gtk themes, for programs like the gimp wich is using my colour sheme of kde and i dont want that
[14:26] <ubunturos> jimmydee: doesn't help
[14:27] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: the switch to network button is greyed out, and the noise statistic is at 158, with 0 for connection
[14:27] <WaltzingAlong> turn off your microwave oven!
[14:27] <ubunturos> dhq_: the problem is that dpkg cannot find the package (nor can adept / apt-get) since it isn't installed, just half configured
[14:27] <dhq_> BluesKaj, well isnt that option there in kcontrol>>lookand feel not so sure but its there in the apparency somewhere
[14:27] <Angelus> BluesKaj: a new version of adept, that will fix the bug you have "the update to new version" bug
[14:28] <Angelus> BluesKaj: my adept already got updated, and the bug is fixed
[14:28] <dhq_> blendtux, , well isnt that option there in kcontrol>>lookand feel not so sure but its there in the apparency somewhere
[14:28] <blendtux> but i am talking about the gtk applications
[14:28] <jimmydee> d347hm4n: hmmm one moment
[14:29] <dhq_> ubunturos, i have no clue
[14:29] <ubunturos> dhq_: no, problem. Thanks, anyway
[14:29] <d347hm4n> jimmydee: np, thanks for the time already :D
[14:29] <dhq_> ubunturos, i got to go now see you around
[14:29] <X-DeluXe> could anybody help me with bluetooth + kde?
[14:29] <ubunturos> dhq_: bye, see you later
[14:29] <dhq_> X-DeluXe, i have been running around every where for bluetooth +kde but never got help
[14:30] <dhq_> X-DeluXe, if you find something do tell me
[14:30] <d347hm4n> X-DeluXe: the best place for bluetooth suport is fedora 8, but it is still a test release
[14:31] <sparrw> The KDE printer dialog always wants to scan 127.0.0.*, which seems silly.  Why doesn't it know to look at the OTHER subnet that I am on?
[14:32] <sehe> sparrw: prolly becos nobody programmed it to do so
[14:32] <sehe> sparr: how many printers do you have on your network
[14:32] <X-DeluXe> dhq_: okay...
[14:33] <blendtux> dhq what i meant is i have a different colour sheme for gtk apps but dont know how to apply that
[14:33] <blendtux> now its using the kde coloursheme
[14:33] <sparrw> sehe: maybe 1, maybe 37.
[14:35] <Flats> When a program is installed, where does it normally install to?
[14:36] <Thylio> Angelus: You said that i had to write "make menuconfig", what folder do i need to bee in?
[14:37] <Angelus> in you're kernel source folder
[14:37] <Angelus> Thylio:
[14:37] <Angelus> :p
[14:37] <Thylio> Angelus: then how do I make it there?
[14:38]  * genii puts on a new pot of coffee
[14:38] <WaltzingAlong> blendtux: i think you can do that in 'system settings'; system settings/appearance/gtk styles and fonts
[14:38] <Flats> When a program is installed, where does it normally install to?
[14:38] <Flats> i.e. Xchat?
[14:39] <WaltzingAlong> !lds
[14:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lds - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:39] <blendtux> ehm not realy, WaltzingAlong its using the colour sheme from kde
[14:39] <blendtux> and i want a different colour sheme for gtk2 apps
[14:41] <vivia> Hi there... I just upgraded to Gutsy, everything seems to be running fine, but if I run aptitude -f install it acts up : http://pastebin.ca/746758    The weird thing is, the packages it states as "not installable" are actually installed! ok, I haven't tried all of them, but I do have gnome-control-center, rpm, libopensync0, desktop-file-utils and ntfs-3g ... And, apart from opensync-related stuff which is from a third-party repository, all other packa
[14:42] <WaltzingAlong> blendtux: gtk-theme-switch or something like that?
[14:42] <sparrw> Flats: "dpkg -L nameofpackage"
[14:42] <Flats> sparrw Thx
[14:42] <sparrw> Flats: most programs install a binary in /usr/bin or /usr/share/bin or /bin, and some data in /usr/share/... or /usr/local/share/...
[14:43] <Flats> So usr/bin dare I say is kinda like program files in Windows
[14:43] <WaltzingAlong> AH!
[14:43] <blendtux> oke thanks
[14:43] <werty> is firestarter really safe?
[14:43] <jimmydee> stdin: if youre around I got a samba issue for you
[14:44] <jimmydee> only as kindlying werty
[14:44] <jimmydee> kindling
[14:44] <WaltzingAlong> !info guarddog
[14:44] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[14:45] <werty> i've tried guardog but i cant use kopete nad konversation...
[14:45] <jimmydee> any samba help this morning?
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> werty: configure it correctly
[14:45] <bridge> OOO
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> werty: certainly they can both work with iptables modified by guarddog
[14:46] <werty> yes i did it but ..konversation and kopete although i allowed the protocol through guar... say that server denied actively..
[14:47] <werty> iptables?
[14:47] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: may be helpful to run sudo aptitude update   and may also be helpful to make sure you have just gutsy repositories and not a mixture of gutsy and feisty
[14:47] <WaltzingAlong> !iptables
[14:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[14:49] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: thx... just reran aptitude update, no change, checked repos, they are ok... :|
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: great
[14:49] <stdin> jimmydee: I gave up on samba a while ago
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> werty: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> werty: take your time, work through it slowly :D
[14:50] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: not so great, my problem persists and i can't find what might be wrong! ... i'm afraid i have to be too careful in order to not lose my openoffice and eclipse...
[14:50] <yaccin> i used encrypted LVM when i install kubuntu gutsy.... now i cant delete the partitions in fdisk?
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: post your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin
[14:51] <surface> how can i add an app into kwallet, let say pidgin ?
[14:52] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.ca/746772
[14:52] <clavius_> just installed kubuntu 7.10, should there be compiz on by default_
[14:52] <clavius_> ?
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> clavius_:  no
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[14:52] <yaccin> how can i delte the partitions on the encrypted LVM i created with the alternate CD?
[14:52] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: you know we have !compiz ?
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> clavius_: ubuntu 7.10 (gnome) yes
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: sure do!
[14:53]  * genii hands stdin a large mug of coffee
[14:53] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: gotta be easier than a command alias ;)
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[14:53] <[ifr0g]> !divx
[14:53] <vivia> !compiz
[14:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[14:53] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:53]  * stdin takes the coffee and dumps a ton of sugar in it
[14:54] <clavius_> WaltzingAlong: ok
[14:54] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: how about opening aptitude, sudo aptitude, then specifying to install the packages you want to keep
[14:54] <genii> stdin: :)
[14:54] <vesal> Hi, I have a simple problem, but I can't find any clues on the net... after upgrading to Gutsy, the adept_manager doesn't show the manage repository dialogue... why?
[14:54]  * WaltzingAlong ponders a double serving of mocha
[14:55] <WaltzingAlong> vesal: software-properties-kde needs to be installed ?
[14:56] <stdin> WaltzingAlong: or at least add the bit about help in #compiz-fusion (as it's really not supported by us) to your little alias
[14:56] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: yeah mostly that was for when the bot was on break and the influx had just started
[14:56] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: something messed up my packages... let me run aptitude in full screen and i'll be back. :)
[14:57] <vesal> Yes! Somehow this had been uninstalled... THANKS A MILLION TIMES... but I'm curious though, how do you know such stuff? Where should I have looked for this information (other than here?)
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: nice thing about sudo aptitude is that it provides an ncurses interface too, so in konsole you can click things
[14:58] <stdin> experience is the key to linux knowledge, if you break your system enough you learn how to fix it
[14:58] <blendtux> ehm WaltzingAlong is that gkt-theme-switch app is only for changing themes already installed or allso for new theme installation
[14:58] <yaccin> help?
[14:58] <WaltzingAlong> vesal: either you are born with it or not, lol, j/j; asking google may have yielded the answer or searching wiki.ubuntu.com is it?
[14:58] <blendtux> cuase every gtk theme i donwload i can not install
[14:59] <yaccin> please?
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> yaccin: with?
[14:59] <stdin> blendtux: it's only to apply the kde theme to GTK apps
[14:59] <yaccin> WaltzingAlong: i had kubuntu isntalled on an encrypted LVM
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> stdin: how to make gtk apps have a different theme than kde apps/colors, was the question by blendtux
[14:59] <yaccin> now i cant use fdisk to make a new partition table
[14:59] <blendtux> ehm, that is not what i am looking for
[14:59] <WaltzingAlong> yaccin: how to delete an encrypted lvm with fdisk?
[15:00] <WaltzingAlong> different colors*
[15:00] <yaccin> yes
[15:00] <blendtux> i want to use a gtk2 theme and different colours for apps like gimp and vlc
[15:00] <stdin> blendtux: look in System Settings > Appearance > GTK Styles and Fonts
[15:00] <yaccin> strange thing is: it worked on my laptop
[15:01] <blendtux> yes but how can i install a gtk theme from those settings
[15:01] <blendtux> to use for my gtk apps
[15:01] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: turns out i just have to select my packages, select the other solution which is "Cancel the removal of $other_package", press enter to see which libs it misses and install them... Why couldn't aptitude install them? ^o)
[15:01] <surface> how can i add an app to kwallet, let say pidgin ?
[15:01] <stdin> blendtux: open what ever gnome's equivalent of system settings is and install it?
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: there is an option in aptitude to cancel all marked changes
[15:01] <blendtux> ehm i never used gnome, lol
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> surface: rewrite pidgin to use kwallet ?
[15:01] <stdin> surface: pidgin doesn't work with kwallet
[15:02] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: i just need to install some new stuff....
[15:02] <Angelus> stdin: the frambuffer wiki you're giving him is useless to solve the bootupsplash bug
[15:02] <WaltzingAlong> maybe as a plugin?
[15:02] <stdin> blendtux: I don't think there is any app to install gtk themes in KDE, unless you find a package with the gnome one
[15:02] <surface> oh that means the app must support kwallet inorder to add it
[15:02] <Angelus> Thylio: did you fix it?
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: well there you go. glad you got it working (or will soon)
[15:03] <surface> gtk-qt-engine will make ur gtk app looks like qt one
[15:03] <dystopianray> surface: generally only kde applications support kwallet
[15:03] <stdin> Angelus: that's the only wiki page on framebuffers I can find
[15:03] <Amarilis> I tried to run Kubuntu 7.10 from Live CD on my desktop, but I wasn't able to see anything on my display. The same problem I encountered when I tried Kubuntu 7.04 and even Ubuntu 7.04/7.10.
[15:03] <Amarilis> My configuration is:
[15:03] <Amarilis> GA-8I945P Pro motherboard/nvidia 6600 GTS 128VRAM graphic card/3.0GHz processor (HT)/
[15:03] <Amarilis> 512 MB RAM/SATA HDD/Samsung SyncMaster 959NF-display
[15:03] <Amarilis> I tested both Live CD's (Kubuntu/Ubuntu 7.10) on a Compaq laptop (3-4 years old) and it worked perfect.
[15:03] <surface> dystopianray: oh i see
[15:03] <Amarilis> Is there something related to my desktop configuration (e.g. graphic card) or is it else ?
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> Amarilis: i think the livecd gives options to start in safe graphics mode and such , maybe try that
[15:04] <dystopianray> surface: pidgin developers have specifically chosen not to use/implement secure password storage
[15:04] <smorg> !iso
[15:04] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[15:05] <Amarilis> waltizing> i'll give it a try
[15:05] <Angelus> Amarilis: wait, it will apear. its a splashscreen bug
[15:05] <surface> dystopianray: i see.
[15:05] <yaccin> :(
[15:05] <smorg> !mdf
[15:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:05] <Angelus> stdin: it's a bug, the developers didn't make vesafb available in the kubuntu kernel, and they left bootup splash there. bootup splash doesn't work without vesafb , at least on somecards. i wrote a fix for it on launchpad
[15:06] <stdin> Angelus: so poke someone in #ubuntu-kernel about it ;)
[15:07] <Amarilis> and why on the earth dont fix this f....bug?
[15:07] <Amarilis> it's pretty anoying...for me at least
[15:08] <Amarilis> and i think for others too
[15:08] <Angelus> ah ok stdin thanks i will
[15:08] <paulc> I was just reading the ubuntu installation & upgrades forum, and noticed this post. It mirrors what happened to me, I keep seeing the distribution upgrade available in adept.. here is the forum message:Last night before I went to bed, I installed kubuntu-desktop and left it at that.
[15:08] <paulc>  
[15:08] <paulc>  This morning I get up and I see a new package manager wants to install stuff. Adapt Manager did its thing and installed 12 updates. When it was finished, it told me there was a new distribution available. I was a little surprised because I thought I was already on the newest one.
[15:08] <paulc>  
[15:08] <paulc>  I did a cat /etc/issue and it told me I was using 7.10
[15:08] <paulc>  
[15:08] <paulc>  I opened the update manager which I'm used to using in gnome and it doesn't say anything about a new distribution upgrade (which my desktop did, and I used to upgrade it after beta was over.)
[15:08] <paulc>  
[15:09] <stdin> paulc: thanks for that flood, please never do that again
[15:10] <paulc> sorry, I don't know what a flood is. I ws just trying to post a message I read, what should I have done?
[15:10] <stdin> paulc: the issue of adept still showing version upgrade is known, ignore it for now until the fix is released
[15:10] <paulc> I will inform that user on the forums, thanks, and sorry again,
[15:10] <stdin> paulc: use a link to the message, don't paste large posts in here
[15:11] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: now that's worse, for some reason it wants to remove a total of 365 packages :(... still trying
[15:11] <Angelus> done stdin
[15:11] <paulc> here is a link to his message: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=588074&goto=newpost
[15:11]  * genii sips a coffee
[15:13] <Amarilis> Angeluss: i booted using Kubuntu live cd 7.10. and on my display i see only stripes
[15:13] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: alright... on aptitude's menu i just selected "cancel all pending tasks"... who knows why it wanted them to be removed!... ok, now i just have some unused packages which i just removed and aptitude is happy :)
[15:13] <vivia> WaltzingAlong: thanx :)
[15:13] <Amarilis> i heard the sound from KDE
[15:13] <WaltzingAlong> vivia: :D
[15:14] <yaccin> http://pastebin.org/5697
[15:14] <n8k99> !nick
[15:14] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[15:15] <blendtux> brb
[15:16] <sredna> hello
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[15:16] <sredna> is there a reason why there isn't 64bit java packages?
[15:16] <smorg> hi
[15:16] <tue> Hey. I wish to use an external screen with my laptop on k. gutsy. Xorg.conf looks fine - it has identified both the laptop and the external monitor and set up relevant sections. In serverlayout it has the lines: Screen 0 "laptop_screen" \n Screen 1 "external_screen" RightOf "laptop_screen" so that looks fine to. But when i plug in the external monitor, the external monitor is just a clone of the laptop monitor in tha laptops native resolution. How can i
[15:16] <tue> change this?
[15:18] <stdin> sredna: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[15:19] <paulc> I have a question about running KDE4 beta. I followed the instructions in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[15:19] <paulc> but my system tray is empty and I can't start any apps
[15:20] <bigm> i've got some trouble with beta 3...
[15:20] <paulc> all that I see is the clock, the klipper and korganizer Daemon.
[15:20] <hydrogen> thats expected
[15:20] <hydrogen> well
[15:20] <hydrogen> you should bea ble to start apps
[15:20] <hydrogen> but
[15:20] <hydrogen> the rest is expected
[15:20] <paulc> the desktop toolbar puts out empty boxes that do nothing, so how do you start apps?
[15:21] <bigm> i need to find out how to make screenshots to explain my problems^^
[15:21] <poison--> llo guys
[15:21] <supert0ne1> when will we see rc1 and will it be somewhat more usable than beta 3?
[15:21] <Amarilis> WaltzingAlong, Angelus: i booted Kubuntu LiveCD in Safe mode VGA(sorry if i don't mention exactly) and it's started perfectly
[15:21] <d347hm4n> how do i remove an already loaded wireless driver?
[15:21] <Amarilis> :)
[15:21] <hydrogen> paulc: krunner
[15:22] <Amarilis> so... i'm pretty happy now that i can test the last release of kubuntu/ububtu
[15:22] <Amarilis> *ubuntu
[15:22] <paulc> hydrogen, how do you start krunner?
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> Amarilis: great.
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> !kde4
[15:22] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[15:22] <hydrogen> paulc: alt-f2 or right click on the desktop and choose run
[15:22] <sredna> stdin: thank you. seems there is no lights ahead :(
[15:23] <salox> how can i install gimp-2.2.17 in kubuntu 7.10, default is gimp-2.4.rc3 ?
[15:23] <Amarilis> thanks Waltzing for your idea
[15:23] <Amarilis> :)
[15:23] <supert0ne1> ooo tomorrow im excited now
[15:24] <salox> how can i install gimp-2.2.17 in kubuntu 7.10, default is gimp-2.4.rc3 ?
[15:25] <Vermux> when I sign out from Kubuntu the computer is stuck and I have to power it off to restart it. it happaned already 4 times so far. Does anybody know about this bug??
[15:25] <paulc> according to the system activity krunner is running, as is plasma, kdeinit4, kded4, kwin and kaccess
[15:26] <salox> how can i install gimp-2.2.17 in kubuntu 7.10, default is gimp-2.4.rc3 ?
[15:26] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: that used to happen for me in Fiesty. Do you use Fiesty or Gutsy?
[15:26] <SlimeyPete> I don't think it was ever fixed in Fiesty but it doesn't occur in Gutsy, for me at least
[15:26] <WaltzingAlong> salox: find it; find the .deb maybe you can run one from feisty. but you want it because it is slower at the rc3 release than was gimp2.2.17 for you
[15:26] <yaccin> thanks kubuntu for ruining my hard disk -_-
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> yaccin: what did i do this time
[15:27] <bigm> oh kewl i have a white screen now^^
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> SlimeyPete: Vermux: i know of at least one computer that does not exhibit this issue with the 2.6.22 kernel (kubuntu gutsy)
[15:27] <Vermux> SlimeyPete: please remind me how do I check? I think fiesty
[15:28] <yaccin> WaltzingAlong: still the problem that i cant fdisk my hard draive now!
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: uname -r
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> (I think)
[15:28] <salox> ingwaltzi want it because rc3 is a test version
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: cat /etc/lsb-release
[15:28] <Vermux> 2.6.20-16-generic
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> that's the Feisty kernel
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> feisty then or at least gutsy with the feisty kernel
[15:29] <SlimeyPete> I'd suggest upgrading to Gutsy if this problem is seriously bothering you
[15:29] <Vermux> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[15:29] <Vermux> DISTRIB_RELEASE=7.04
[15:29] <Vermux> DISTRIB_CODENAME=feisty
[15:29] <Vermux> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.04"
[15:29] <WaltzingAlong> feisty it is!
[15:29] <Vermux> is it a known problem?
[15:29] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: yeah
[15:30] <Vermux> Gusty is the new version?
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy | Vermux
[15:30] <ubotu> Vermux: Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[15:30] <SlimeyPete> yeah, Gutsy is the latest one
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> yaccin: how about http://www.google.com/search?q=manipulate+lvm+partitions&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[15:30] <blendtux> only use the bittorrent if you are not a customer off comcast
[15:30] <Vermux> SlimeyPete: is it beta version?
[15:30] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105102
[15:30] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: no, Gutsy has been released
[15:31] <SlimeyPete> it was released last week
[15:31] <SlimeyPete> it's stable.
[15:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info evms | yaccin
[15:31] <ubotu> yaccin: evms: Enterprise Volume Management System (core). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.5-26ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 86 kB, installed size 312 kB
[15:32] <yaccin> WaltzingAlong: no
[15:32] <yaccin> i got it
[15:32] <yaccin> but thanks
[15:32] <blendtux> what does the evms
[15:32] <blendtux> cause the description is kinda vage
[15:32] <WaltzingAlong> blendtux: volume management; (partition management with logical volumes) ?
[15:32] <blendtux> oh oke
[15:33] <Hamra> if i write a document with openoffice write, and save it as MS-Word, can i be sure that Word will open it properly? i dont want my tutor to receive gibberish in my homeworks.
[15:34] <SlimeyPete> Hamra: you can be 99% sure. OO's Word compatibility is good these days.
[15:34] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: if the person needs to edit it, then maybe find a happy medium or just use open iso standards (like odt); you cannot be sure that ms office will not recognize the document as having been created elsewhere (or in OOo specifically) then display it poorly (hm reminds me of using opera on hotmail some years ago); but otherwise, no need to edit, export to PDF; and btw, should you be doing any significant documentation, LaTeX!
[15:35] <Vermux> SlimeyPete: so the only solution is to upgrade? I didnt c any solution in the link u sent me
[15:35] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: yeah I think it's the only solution, sorry.
[15:35] <stephensflc> anyone here have any success with dual monitor using Nvidia 7600 GS... kubuntu 7.10  ?
[15:35] <Hamra> thnx waltzingalong, slimeypete
[15:35] <Vermux> ok
[15:36] <cperrin88_> Can someone help me with setting up Compiz (and maybe XGL) for my Kubuntu 7.10. I don't know what's wrong but I have around 100% CPU load when I use XGL
[15:40] <Vermux> SlimeyPete: is Gutsy is Kubuntu?
[15:40] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: yes
[15:40] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php
[15:40] <SlimeyPete> there's a download link there
[15:41] <smorg> hrm
[15:41] <smorg> smorg@smorg-desktop:~$ sudo mdf2iso "/media/sda1/Documents and Settings/Smorg/My Documents/Files/Disk Images/Diablo II/INSTALL.mdf" "/home/smorg/Diablo II"
[15:41] <smorg> unable to open
[15:43] <smorg> ah there we go, it didn't like my quotes
[15:47] <Yammeh> Guys, do you know of an application that sits in the task bar that shows you the usage of your hardware?
[15:47] <martin_> are there anyone here that could tell me how i make an accsess point for my wifi card??
[15:50] <Jucato> Yammeh: what kind of hardware?
[15:51] <Yammeh> Well my cpu/memory/hard drive etc
[15:51] <werty> any app which monitors the ip traffic and shows which apps are using it/
[15:51] <werty> ?
[15:52] <E_mE> all my video's on youtube and GIFs all have slight pauses every 2-3 seconds
[15:52] <Jucato> werty: not sure if these will fit your needs: knetstats, knetload, knemo
[15:53] <Jucato> Yammeh: probably the System Guard panel applet
[15:53] <Yammeh> Ok, I'll google it, thanks
[15:54] <Jucato> Yammeh: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> System Guard
[15:54] <master3000> #kubuntu-de
[15:56] <Vermux> Jucato: do u recommend updating to Gutsy?
[15:56] <Jucato> hm.... next week probably :)
[15:57] <Jucato> so that you could avoid server traffic and get the latest bugfixes
[15:57] <Yammeh> It works, Jucato. Thanks dude
[15:58] <Vermux> Jucato: there havent been fixes yet?
[15:58] <Angelus> Amarilis: then VGA 16 something kernel module is compatable with you're card. my bad for taking long, iwas training.
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | cperrin88_ heere are some instructions regarding compiz and kubuntu; see also !nvidia or !ati or so on regarding your video card
[15:58] <ubotu> cperrin88_ heere are some instructions regarding compiz and kubuntu; see also !nvidia or !ati or so on regarding your video card: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:58] <Jucato> Vermux: not sure if they're in the servers already
[15:59] <qolo> how do i set env vars for a session ?
[15:59] <qolo> export ?
[16:00] <WaltzingAlong> yea
[16:00] <Jucato> !openweek
[16:00] <ubotu> openweek is Ubuntu is hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community, which all takes place in a week. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek for schedules, logs, and instructions.
[16:05] <JuJuBee> Anybody good with iptables?
[16:05] <icecruncher> !adeptfix
[16:05] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:10]  * olegb slams his head in the table due to kopete crashing
[16:11] <Azzco> HAs anyone gotten the newer 100.14.23 nvidia drivers to work with kernel 2.6.23?
[16:11] <vers> what program do i use to download music?
[16:12] <Eyeless> ktorrent
[16:12] <SlimeyPete> amule, azureus, ktorrent
[16:13] <vers> rite on....i have ktorrent....
[16:14] <Yammeh> !applet
[16:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about applet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:16] <jjj__> hello!
[16:16] <Eyeless> lo
[16:17] <jjj__> heard of the man who levitated in front of the whitehouse?
[16:17] <stdin> !ot
[16:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[16:17] <jjj__> there's a better magic than that...
[16:18] <jjj__> that is, kubuntu being used on all pc all over the world! I hope it will happen soon...
[16:19] <blzmn> im having a problem innstaling ubuntu 7.10 after i have booted the cd and pressed start/innstall it crashes to busy box and says buffer error on device fd0 ect im wondering if its somthing i can fix or if its a permanent hardware problem
[16:19] <jjj__> blzmn: a problem in your floppy drive?
[16:20] <blzmn> no tought that so i disabled it same problem
[16:21] <blzmn> i might have to check in to it abit more dont remember the exact error codes i got but if anyone has experiensed anything similar pleas let me know
[16:27] <hnbc34> anyone got time to help a brother get his usb hard drive working in 7.10
[16:29] <hnbc34> no takers
[16:29] <hnbc34> ?
[16:30] <Eyeless> dont have one :/
[16:32] <werty> i've tried  knetstats, knetload, knemo but they don't actually do the job..
[16:33] <werty> is there something like iptable monitor which also reports which app is using them?
[16:35] <werty> ??
[16:36] <Jucato> werty: try searching in http://www.kde-apps.org or just browse through Adept (there's a search filter there for easier searching)
[16:36] <babeck> I was just wondering if there was a work around for the incorrect drop shadows generated by kwin-composite that appear when moving music to the play list in Amarok?
[16:37] <Jucato> kwin composite? that's for KDE 4
[16:38] <babeck> Jucato: In Kcontrol -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> Translucency kwin provides composite options.
[16:38] <Jucato> that's kompmgr :)
[16:38] <babeck> Jucato: oops sorry.
[16:39] <Jucato> (it's a beta-quality software and no longer maintained...)
[16:40] <Jucato> (predated amarok, so I doubt if it had amarok's playlist in mind :P)
[16:40] <givaldo> Hi, people! Someone try use Palms with kubuntu?
[16:40] <babeck> Jucato: Ah so I guess not then.  That's too bad, I don't much care for Beryl, but I do like the drop shadows.
[16:41] <Jucato> how often do you move music? :D
[16:41] <babeck> Jucato: Sadly I'm the type that pretty much drags each song over individually.
[16:42] <givaldo> I try use "K-pilot", but it isn't connect with my palm (Zire 21).
[16:42] <Jucato> :)
[16:43] <givaldo> All time I click in "search device" button, the program search to 30% and crash.
[16:43] <givaldo> with or without device connect
[16:43] <Xymic> http://www.xymic.eu.tt
[16:43] <Xymic> http://www.xymic.eu.tt
[16:44] <Xymic> http://www.xymic.eu.tt
[16:44] <givaldo> someone know anyway to solve this?
[16:47] <phiras> I have a fresh Kubuntu7.10 , + mplayer , but I couldn't play any video file (mpg, wmv ), anyone can help please ?
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> !mpg
[16:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[16:48] <SlimeyPete> you probably need to grab the win32codecs from somewhere
[16:51] <phiras> phiras@phiras-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install  kubuntu-restricted-extras[sudo] password for phiras:Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extra
[16:52] <phiras> I couldn't install it !
[16:55] <poison--> upgrade tp gutsy went smood :D
[16:55] <poison--> found a few bugs tho
[16:55] <poison--> where can i report?
[16:55] <poison--> or to where
[16:55] <SlimeyPete> launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:56] <SlimeyPete> poison--: ^^
[16:56] <poison--> ty
[16:56] <supert0ne1> all of my bugs come in the form of compiz-fusion but its soo hard to give up heh
[16:57] <Yammeh> !compiz
[16:57] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:57] <don_> hey guys
[16:57] <don_> i installed oracle -xe
[16:57] <don_> how do i start it ?>
[17:00] <don_> anyone?
[17:02] <taylan_> hi all
[17:02] <don_> hi
[17:02] <taylan_> i am new at linux world
[17:03] <don_> ahh i see
[17:03] <taylan_> i want to start visual programming on linux
[17:03] <taylan_> any suggessstions :)
[17:04] <taylan_> programs ide etc.
[17:05] <don_> erm , try glade
[17:06] <taylan_> thx
[17:06] <don_> no problem
[17:06] <vbgunz> soundkonverter doesn't recognize mp3s anymore :( i can play mp3's but I can no longer convert them as soundKonverter does not recognize them :/
[17:08] <don_> hmm
[17:08] <vbgunz> hmm
[17:08] <vbgunz> I think I might know. it has plenty of plugins but is not finding any applications
[17:09] <liuz> hello
[17:10] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[17:12] <florianr> Is there a Prog. to automaticaly generate a label with a CDs Content?
[17:15] <qrawl> !flash
[17:15] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:17] <blubb> I've got a problem with my soundcard. There's no master mixer, and kmix does mix a wrong mixer per default (pc speaker), so the function keys on my laptop are mapped on the wrong mixer channel. What can I do?
[17:19] <Yammeh> !compiz
[17:19] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:19] <blubb> ok I found it out, once I disabled the function keys but I don't know now how to activate them... where or how are they mapped?
[17:21] <MurielGodoi> AFAIK,  in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:21] <MurielGodoi> blubb:  AFAIK,  in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:21] <bottiger> wow - I just took a look at /var/log/auth.log and found *lots* of stuff like this: http://pastebin.ca/746920
[17:22] <bottiger> is that normal?
[17:22] <blubb> MurielGodoi: no
[17:23] <blubb> I can assign the function keys in kde control center but not kmix. it just does not work if I press them... it seems they get ignored :(
[17:24] <vbgunz> anyone know how I can get the rest of the soundKonverter programs like aacgain, etc?
[17:24] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: no, i would say its not
[17:24] <blubb> hmm how is that possible?
[17:25] <bottiger> hitmanWilly: anything you can do about it :) except from forcing the users to user proper passwords
[17:25] <bottiger> and don't have "guest", "ftp" or "admin" user
[17:25] <MurielGodoi> blubb: maybe right click in kmix icon and 'select master channel' can solve your problem
[17:25] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: either that or shut off sshd
[17:26] <Juz_moi> ? does 7.10 install with firefox or must it be installed afterwards?  I ask because a friend is telling me it isn't and I don't have it here ?
[17:26] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: at least it looks like they didn't manage to get in
[17:26] <bottiger> hitmanWilly: not an option :) but can't you set sshd do ban people with 50 failed logins
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: there are a few things you can do to help with sshd; change the number of retries in a certain duration; set the allowed users in sshd_config; use fail2ban
[17:26] <fdoving> Juz_moi: does not come with firefox.
[17:27] <Juz_moi> ok tnx
[17:27] <Yammeh> How do I disable compiz?
[17:27] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: you can set it to ban people for any number of faile logins IIRC
[17:27] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: kwin --replace
[17:27] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: admitedly, im a little rusty with it
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> Yammeh: some suggestions here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87
[17:28] <bottiger> ok - I think I'll take a look at sshd_config
[17:28] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: do you do any remote admin on this box?
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> !info fail2ban | bottiger
[17:28] <ubotu> bottiger: fail2ban: bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-1 (gutsy), package size 75 kB, installed size 572 kB
[17:28] <bottiger> but ugh - den I have to reboot the ssh service :/
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> /etc/init.d/sshd reload ?
[17:28] <hitmanWilly> is it reload or restart?
[17:29] <bottiger> WaltzingAlong: yes - but what *if* something went wrong?
[17:29] <bottiger> ubotu: I'm only running feisty
[17:29] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: so you know that you were trying to log in but typed the wrong password 3 times. yup you wait 10 minutes before trying again and you know that already (or however you configure it)
[17:29] <bottiger> blah - a bot :P
[17:29] <WaltzingAlong> !info fail2ban feisty | bottiger
[17:29] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: change it back and restart it again :)
[17:29] <ubotu> bottiger: fail2ban: bans IPs that cause multiple authentication errors. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-3ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 66 kB, installed size 512 kB
[17:30] <WaltzingAlong> bottiger: if you know good ips to always accept then you can use host allow/deny files; otherwise sshd config with allowed users and the max retries in a given amount of time
[17:31] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: also, i would reccomend disabling sudo for remote login, unless you need to do remote admin
[17:32] <vbgunz> I have a general offtopic question... if I convert an mp3 706kbps to ogg 192kbps, I know I lose quality *but* is it lost forever OR can I convert it back to say ogg 706kbps and get great quality again?
[17:32] <hitmanWilly> vbgunz: its lost forever in the new file
[17:32] <bottiger> hitmanWilly: I don't have physical access to the server, but I would say that my password is safe
[17:33] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: ok
[17:33] <vbgunz> damn...
[17:34] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: heh, my wifi router's password is a random hash, have yet to have someone hack past that :)
[17:35] <hitmanWilly> bottiger: that, plus mac filtering
[17:37] <SeanTater> vbgunz: Actually, at that bitrate, it's unimportant. a 706kbps is not better (to human ears) than a 256 one, and a 192kbps ogg is probably equally high quality.
[17:37] <hitmanWilly> yeah, 192 ogg is still pretty damn good
[17:37] <vbgunz> SeanTater: well that eases a bit :)
[17:37] <blubb> hmm anyone using function keys to control the sound volume? It looks like a bug, it stopped working here since the update
[17:38] <SeanTater> vbgunz: If size is not an issue and you absolutely must have perfect quality, consider flac (which is perfect no matter how you compress it, though it's a big large)
[17:38] <Yammeh> !eyecandy
[17:38] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[17:38] <hitmanWilly> that's cause flac is more or less a bit for bit copy
[17:38] <SeanTater> hitmanWilly: exactly
[17:38] <MurielGodoi> vbgunz: what about 128kbps bitrate?
[17:39] <vbgunz> turned hundreds of files from all types and bitrates to ogg 192... didn't notice but after the originals were gone, i realized ogg 192 is of medium quality
[17:39] <SeanTater> vbgunz: I imagine you did not lose much.
[17:39] <vbgunz> I hope so, all of my audio is now in ogg format
[17:40] <hitmanWilly> nah, 192 ogg you won't really notice a difference
[17:40] <Vermux> !PATH
[17:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:40] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: what are you trying to do?
[17:41] <SeanTater> vbgunz: quality is very subjective, but double blind testing has shown OGG quality 3 to be indestinguishable from the original (quality 3 is 112 kb/s)
[17:41] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: read an explanation about the PATH- didnt get it
[17:41] <MurielGodoi> hitmanWilly: There is to much difference between 128 ogg and 192 ogg?
[17:41] <whatever> anyone has problem with MFC210C (or DCP-120C) under gutsy?  it stopped working after I upgrade from Feisty.  I know some people have the same problem but no solution
[17:42] <hitmanWilly> about 128 is where I start noticing a SLIGHT quality loss
[17:42] <SeanTater> MurielGodoi: quality 3 and above are all about the same for the average song.
[17:42] <whatever> anyone has problem with MFC210C (or DCP-120C) under gutsy?  it stopped working after I upgrade from Feisty.  I know some people have the same problem but no solution
[17:42] <Vermux> hitmanWilly:  I typed echo $PATH. what is it?
[17:42] <SeanTater> MurielGodoi: So quality 3 (112kb/s) is what I encodec mine at
[17:43] <SeanTater>  /encoded/
[17:43] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: the $PATH variable is a list of dirs where the system looks for stuff
[17:43] <Yammeh> Is there nowhere I can download a pack of themes and choose form the pack? Rather than downloading one at a time >>
[17:43] <MurielGodoi> SeanTater: I'm going to re-rip all my cds and I am in doubt about which bitrate should I use
[17:44] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: for example, if you typed say vlc at the command line, it would look in the path dirs for an executable file named vlc
[17:44] <Vermux> why it gave me the following:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games?
[17:44] <SeanTater> MurielGodoi: Quality 3 is my suggestion, but like I said, you can use FLAC if you want a perfect copy.
[17:44] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: that's a default buntu $PATH setup
[17:45] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: ?
[17:45] <whatever> anyone know how to fix the problem with MFC210C (or DCP-120C) under gutsy?  it stopped working after I upgrade from Feisty.  I know some people had the same problem but can't find any solution
[17:45] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: if an app isn't in the $PATH, you have to reference the full location of the file
[17:45] <vbgunz> SeanTater: wow, I am going to try converting some (wav 706) to (ogg 192) and listen again
[17:46] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: when I want to execute a file?
[17:46] <hitmanWilly> for example, /home/user/vlc/vlc, vice just typing vlc
[17:46] <SeanTater> whatever: What is "MFC210C"
[17:46] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: so the PATH stays the same all the time?
[17:46] <whatever> brother mfc210c multi-function printer/scanner/fax etc
[17:46] <Linoob> well  it is the next version after MFC210B
[17:46] <Linoob> :-)
[17:46] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: more or less, tho you can change it
[17:46] <SeanTater> Linoob: :p
[17:47] <whatever> SeanTater: brother mfc210c multi-function printer/scanner/fax etc
[17:47] <Linoob> ah
[17:47] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: in which instance I will want to change it for example?
[17:47] <SeanTater> whatever: Unfortunately I don't have any experience with that, but mentioning it's a printer might help next time you ask. (hint)
[17:47] <underdog5004> What is the reason for having some of the "hidden" folders in my /home/underdog5004/ not be me-accesible?
[17:47] <whatever> SeanTater: ok.. thanx
[17:48] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: very rarely would you ever need to, about the only reason is if the system can't find something that's in an odd location
[17:48] <SeanTater> underdog5004: specifically which files?
[17:48] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: so the default ubuntu PATH doesnt need to be modified, right?
[17:48] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: no
[17:48] <Linoob> if it aint broke  dont try to fix it
[17:49] <Linoob> :-)
[17:49] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: unless you have a real reason to do so
[17:49] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: Im wondering how the directory /games is related to the PATH?
[17:49] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: that's where game stuff is stored, kept seperate from the main system apps
[17:50] <SeanTater> underdog5004: the folder ".." is not in your home folder (it's another name for the directory above) and the others are usually created by programs you ran a root.
[17:50] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: say you wanted a user to be able to play games, but not format disks, you'd simply give them access to the /games directory
[17:50] <Vermux> so each section of the PATH is between the ":"? the computer will look at each section when Im trying to execute a command?
[17:50] <Linoob> 2 games installed already ?
[17:50] <Linoob> fortune ?
[17:50] <Linoob> and banner
[17:51] <Linoob> i dont think that are games
[17:51] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: yes, in the order they are listed
[17:51] <underdog5004> SeanTater: I get that, but stuff like ~/.local/share/Trash/tmp is not me-readable
[17:51] <Linoob> PATH-finder
[17:51] <underdog5004> sorry for the lag, I was watching lamers in ##linux
[17:52] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: why does /usr/local/sbin listed twice??
[17:52] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: not sure, but don't worry about it, it won't hurt anything
[17:52] <Linoob> not listed twice
[17:52] <Linoob> look very carefully
[17:52] <Vermux> hitmanWilly: my bad- one is bin and the other is sbin
[17:52] <hitmanWilly> Vermux: k
[17:52] <SeanTater> underdog5004: I don't know. That folder is missing on my computer
[17:53] <underdog5004> oh...ok, thanks anyway
[17:53] <underdog5004> it's just a bear when I try to run rysnc.... :(
[17:53] <werty> if i install kubuntu through ububntu
[17:53] <werty> if i install kubuntu through ububntu
[17:53] <werty> if i install kubuntu through ubuntu  desktop would it be the same?
[17:54] <SeanTater> underdog5004: I imagine something named "Trash" is not necessary for baskups anyway
[17:54] <hitmanWilly> werty: yes
[17:54] <SeanTater>  /backups/
[17:54] <underdog5004> SeanTater: very true
[17:54] <underdog5004> lol
[17:54] <SeanTater> werty: yes, as long as you install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[17:54] <hitmanWilly> werty: the only difference would be you still had gnome installed as well
[17:55] <SeanTater> underdog5004: :)
[17:55] <hydrogen> !memory
[17:55] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[17:55] <werty> then could i use gnome apps through kde?
[17:55] <SeanTater> werty: if you want the Kubuntu login manager, you can install "kdm" but that not necessary.
[17:55] <hitmanWilly> werty: yes, but you don't even need full gnome installed to do that
[17:56] <SeanTater> werty: yes, just like you can use KDE apps through gnome
[17:56] <VousDeux> is the version upgrade notification ever going to be meaninful...or should I pretty much just always ignore it?
[17:57] <underdog5004> VousDeux: I'm on gutsy now, no problems...although the upgrade was really shady...had to reinstall, but my /home is on a different partition, ha ha
[17:57] <hero> i've never been able to get kdm to work
[17:57] <hero> and under the system menu, the login window runs gdmsetup
[17:57] <hero> so go figure
[17:59] <VousDeux> underdog5004: yeah, I'm on Gutsy too, but there is a bug in the version upgrade notification where it keeps notifying me again and again
[18:00] <hero> VousDeux: a well-known bug.  i have the same problem.
[18:01] <VousDeux> hero: I understand that it is a well-known bug, but I'm just wondering if I ever expect to find anything meaningful being announced by this, or if I should just continue to ignore it until the bug is fixed
[18:01] <Linoob> i just updated again
[18:02] <Linoob> and it was gone
[18:02] <Linoob> it saw it was already updated
[18:02] <hero> hmm
[18:02] <Vermux> does anybody know about a virus/spyware finderg?
[18:02] <Linoob> and then it went away
[18:02] <werty> if i install gnome through kde .could i then unistall it again?
[18:02] <hero> werty: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[18:05] <sub[t]rnl> werty: yup
[18:08] <epimeth> ahoy everybody!  been a whiiiile
[18:10] <Tamin> minor question: the /etc/<passwd,shadow,group>.bak files are created at installation, correct?
[18:13] <epimeth> Tamin: I don't have any .bak files for them...
[18:13] <epimeth> I do have them with a '-' at the end tho....
[18:14] <Tamin> as do I
[18:14] <epimeth> comparing them I see that the difference is that my user is there
[18:14] <Tamin> ... they may be left over from a different distro
[18:14] <epimeth> not for me... this was a fresh install
[18:15] <Tamin> ah, ok
[18:15] <epimeth> do a diff, see what happens
[18:15] <epimeth> they might be there for some sort of a clean up
[18:15] <epimeth> in case you want to revert to a clean install or something
[18:16] <Morrissey> Hi, I have a Nvidia GeForce 8400m GS card, and a 32" LCD HDTV (supports 1080i) connected view DVI .... but the "nvidia-settings" won't let me choose a resolution on the LCD TV higher than 1280x720 .... I have manually tried to change this in xorg.conf, but it just seems the tv signal locks ... any ideas? adding that I am trying to use twinview, and I have the 100.14.23 (latest) driver
[18:16] <taylan> do you know any other irc server for developers
[18:16] <Tamin> nah, I was just curious how old they might be. I trashed my passwd/shadow files through a script screwup and was.. hesitant to poke at it
[18:17] <hero> taylan: this is the server to be on.
[18:17] <taylan> lol
[18:17] <taylan> thx
[18:18] <Morrissey> anyone? :) This has been bothering me for weeks ...
[18:19] <felipe_> servers
[18:20] <werty> well i understand the fact that linux is safe generally
[18:20] <jpatrick> Morrissey: tried dpkg-recofigure xserver-xorg ?
[18:20] <Morrissey> jpatrick, what good would that do?
[18:21] <jpatrick> Morrissey: allow you to set the resolution values you want
[18:21] <coreymon77> werty: linux is completely safe aslong as you dont do something stupid
[18:21] <jpatrick> werty: sudo unknown programs
[18:21] <jpatrick> like*
[18:22] <epimeth> coreymon77: lol
[18:22] <atlfalcons866> are the servers down
[18:22] <epimeth> coreymon77: thing is... windows is perfectly safe as long as you don't do anything stupid, either :-)
[18:22] <coreymon77> werty: the difference between linux and windows is that in linux, if you tell it to do something stupid, it will do it
[18:22] <tikal26|> How do I find out what version of glibbc is in kubuntu gutsy
[18:22] <coreymon77> epimeth: such as installing it
[18:23] <coreymon77> ?
[18:23] <enkidus> who nokwn who configure the -vo of the mplayer??, just in the konsole works but with gmplayer not
[18:23] <cristian> I wanna install frostwire in kubuntu 7.10
[18:23] <coreymon77> well, i gotta go
[18:23] <Morrissey> jpatrick, thats for my current monitor .. not for the added one
[18:24] <cristian> I wanna install frostwire in kubuntu 7.10
[18:24] <Tamin> hmm. Now I'm not sure what's going on. I used those .bak files, and now... whoami is reporting 'cannot find name for uid 1000' - but there is an entry in passwd for 'me' at uid 1000
[18:24] <epimeth> !frostwire
[18:24] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[18:24] <jpatrick> Morrissey: ah, right, sorry, I have no experience in doing that then
[18:24] <epimeth> !frostwire > cristian
[18:24] <cristian> epimeth: yeah
[18:25] <epimeth> cristian: :-)
[18:25] <cristian> Do you know?
[18:25] <epimeth> Tamin: is there any reason you reverted to the baks?
[18:25] <Lam_> how do i lock a package so Adept stops asking me to upgrade it?
[18:25] <enkidus> who nokwn who configure the -vo of the mplayer??, just in the konsole works but with gmplayer not
[18:26] <epimeth> Lam_: sorry
[18:26] <enkidus> #
[18:26] <Tamin> long story short, I trashed passwd and shadow due to a script I had to write for class
[18:26] <Vermux> who know what is finderg.com?
[18:27] <kozz> enkidus: gmplayer has a preferences window
[18:27] <epimeth> Tamin: please take no offence at what I'm about to say...
[18:27] <Tamin> the backups had the correct uids for hal, haldaemon, and a few other things
[18:27] <epimeth> Tamin: idiot
[18:27] <Tamin> truth
[18:27] <cristian> Anybody know how update kubuntu 7.10 to kubuntu 7.10?
[18:28] <epimeth> cristian: you mean 7.04 to 7.10?
[18:28] <WaltzingAlong> cristian: yes
[18:28] <epimeth> cristian: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[18:28] <WaltzingAlong> enkidus: man mplayer
[18:28] <Vermux> !finderg.com
[18:28] <cristian> epimeth: ok
[18:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about finderg.com - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:29] <MurielGodoi> !language | epimeth
[18:29] <ubotu> epimeth: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[18:29] <WaltzingAlong> Tamin: one of the nice things about sandboxes
[18:29] <epimeth> Tamin: you should have backed them up, eh?  google "fix linux users" or something....
[18:29] <hero> if you want to change from using gdm to logon to kdm, what do you need to do?
[18:29] <WaltzingAlong> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[18:30] <BU_> hi people
[18:30] <epimeth> MurielGodoi: wha?
[18:30] <epimeth> MurielGodoi: the "i" word?  sorry... was just ribbing Tamin
[18:30] <Tamin> for my pl-- sorry.
[18:30] <Tamin> Waltzing, was tha for me?
[18:30] <Tamin> that8
[18:30] <Tamin> that**
[18:31] <BU_> I`m trying to install kubuntu 7.10 amd64 and it doesn`t appears in the boot menu afterwards, what it can be connected with?
[18:31] <WaltzingAlong> hero: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[18:31] <MurielGodoi> epimeth: that is ok... i realized that your was kidding just after that i sent it.
[18:31] <F_M> How can an ISO image go through MD5 check when the burned disk doesn't [same files every time]?
[18:31] <WaltzingAlong> F_M: burn more slowly or on better media?
[18:32] <hero> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[18:32] <F_M> Philips RW-s, 1x speed
[18:32] <F_M> I can't do any better
[18:33] <genii> F_M: Crappy cd burner, no verifying on the burn process, burned too fast speed, bad cd reader
[18:33] <genii> F_M: To answer the original q
[18:35] <drarem> anyone know of a free and light-resource app launcher?  or is it best to use a custom panel?
[18:35] <F_M> Well maybe burning with a program less than 1MiB in size wasn't such a good idea after all... But Nero keeps complaining about changed executables no matter what I do
[18:35] <F_M> Any free but good burner software?
[18:35] <epimeth> drarem: you mean like katapult?
[18:36] <epimeth> drarem: just hit alt+space and type in the program you want
[18:36] <genii> F_M: Windows burning software?
[18:37] <F_M> yes, or some workaround to go without CDs
[18:38] <genii> F_M: http://cdburnerxp.se/ is pretty good.
[18:39] <pomos_> hi, can somebody help me with a compilation of amarok?????
[18:40] <ardchoille> Feisty was supposed to include a CNR client to work with Linspire's CNR technology. Where can I find that CNR client?
[18:42] <drarem> epimeth, more like apple-type bar or widget container
[18:42] <jarkko> Hello, could someone help a bit with this Konversation ^^'
[18:43] <genii> ardchoille: I dunno about being included. but if you really want it installed, http://www.cnr.com/supportPages/communityDownloadPluginInstructions.seam;jsessionid=A412CFB1B67D50E8B43495821958370A
[18:43]  * genii needs to remember to use tinyurl more often
[18:43] <ardchoille> genii: Feisty was supposed to include the client
[18:44] <ardchoille> I was just wondering where to find it in my install
[18:44] <ardchoille> genii: Ah, ok, maybe they meant it would be in a repo
[18:44] <F_M> Oopsie, CDBurnerXP needs .NET, .NET needs SP2
[18:45] <genii> ardchoille: perhaps apt-cache search cnr-client
[18:45] <epimeth> drarem: I know it exists... don't know what it costs
[18:45] <xevious> drarem: the lightest would be another kde panel, because you're not loading up another program
[18:45] <F_M> Any way to go without CDs?
[18:45] <xevious> F_M: you're trying to burn the iso?
[18:45] <drarem> ok i see there's a kasbar and something else-type panel
[18:45] <vzduch> F_M: what's the problem?  SP2 should be downloadable from places other than M$
[18:45] <ardchoille> genii: No joy search apt-cache
[18:46] <vzduch> I know I got a W2kSP4 from a third-party source a while ago
[18:46] <F_M> Yes, I know, I did get a valid sp2 Windows from a... second hand one without SP before
[18:46] <F_M> I just thought there was something which doesn't need so many installs
[18:46] <genii> ardchoille: That is the name of the main package the CNR page lists in the 7.04 instructions. so must be the repo listed on that page and not a stock one
[18:47] <F_M> I'm not really planning to use this install after I got a linux installed
[18:47] <xevious> f_m: i use this in windows: http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[18:47] <vzduch> why not take a live CD in the first place?
[18:47] <pomos_> i try to compile amarok but the installation of the .deb fails due to error with amarok-xine packages. any idea hot to complile it?
[18:47] <vzduch> would've been quite a bit easier, I guess, for downloading stuff ;)
[18:49] <F_M> I'm trying to burn the live CD, but them files...
[18:49] <||arifaX> xevious: I love http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/
[18:49] <[Relic]> is the flash-nonfree the same as downloading from the Adobe site?
[18:50] <ardchoille> genii: yeah
[18:50] <F_M> hmm, Infra looks hot.
[18:50] <vzduch> [Relic]: well, the pkg has the advantage of easy removal if need be
[18:50] <xevious> ||arifaX: nice. good link. thanks
[18:50] <xevious> [Relic]: yeah
[18:50] <[Relic]> thanks  :)
[18:51] <vikke_> hello, im using edgy, can I find the unsupported and experimental plugins for compiz fusion in apt?
[18:51] <||arifaX> np
[18:51] <xevious> ||arifaX: that's like virtual nero2
[18:51] <xevious> ||arifaX: aka before they started adding useless stuff
[18:51] <Vermux> kopete just crushed with no warning!
[18:53] <Vermux> why kopete crushes? it is not the first time it happans
[18:54] <sub[t]rnl> crashed when connecting to msn?
[18:54] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[18:54] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:54] <sub[t]rnl> Vermux: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[18:54] <sub[t]rnl> make sure you have the latest kdelibs
[18:54] <pomos_> dont conect to msn through kopete. it crashes me too
[18:54] <sub[t]rnl> pomos_ you too
[18:55] <pomos_> oh, ok.
[18:56] <[Relic]> it is listed but I am wondering if the v7 that was installed is interfereing with it since the site I wanted to access still says I need the latest
[18:56] <ardchoille> Who is Jonathan Riddel? I see his name come up a lot.
[18:56] <STaLiN> When I'm doing trying to do the distr upgrade from 7.04 -> 7.10 I get the following message Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/packages.gz 404 File not found
[18:57] <sub[t]rnl> lead developer of kubuntu
[18:57] <jpnurmi> argh, my cd-drive broke during installation. is it possible to install kubuntu from an usb-stick or something?
[18:58] <somiran> can some one tell what is meant by flashing cdma mobile phone and how to do it?
[18:58] <ardchoille> sub[t]rnl: Ah, ok
[18:59] <vzduch> somiran: why do you want to do something that you don't know what it is?
[18:59] <ardchoille> lol
[18:59] <fdoving> somiran: probably re-installing the software on a cellphone, usually nothing you want to do yourself unless you atleast know what it is.
[18:59] <somiran> bcoz my phone is permanently hanged
[18:59] <F_M> Any tips on which burn mode I should use? [sao/tao/raw]
[18:59] <somiran> and i want to give a try myself
[19:00] <somiran> yes i want to know what is it
[19:00] <Vermux> so why kopete  crushes with no reason sometimes?
[19:01] <somiran> yes i want to know how to reinstall the software
[19:01] <somiran> to my phone
[19:02] <somiran> hello vzduch
[19:02] <ardchoille> Vermux: There's a known bug that causes kopete to crash when connecting to msn
[19:03] <somiran> can some one help me plz
[19:05] <Linoob> maybe use pidgin instead of kopete ?
[19:05] <pomos_> how can i compile amarok?? Should i complile the amarok-xine too?
[19:05] <Linoob> but dont know if pidgin use phone
[19:06] <||arifaX> hey give me your msn account and I will try out with my pidgin :)
[19:07] <tehk> Anyone know of a qt front end for tracker?
[19:07] <Vermux> ardchoille: and what can be done about that?
[19:07] <||arifaX> tehk: what is tracker?
[19:08] <tehk> ||arifaX: meta information and desktop search system
[19:08] <||arifaX> I see
[19:09] <somiran> please help if some one knoe mobile phone flashing
[19:09] <MurielGodoi> tehk: http://trac.edgewall.org/ That is the whole system.. not just the front-end.. but maybe ca nhelp you
[19:10] <blubb> how can I install latest ati-driver from today? It has aiglx support!!!
[19:10] <MurielGodoi> tehk: that is used by olpc project :)
[19:10] <tehk> MurielGodoi: thanks anyway but thats trac the project management/tracker system. I am talking about 'Tracker' the desktop search daemon
[19:11] <tehk> Its defualt on Ubuntu Gutsy, and is independent of DE so I am using it on kubuntu, just need a front end to avoid gtk :)
[19:12] <MurielGodoi> tehk: sorry,  I was thing that you wanna a project management system :)
[19:14] <ardchoille> Vermux: Wait for a bugfix?
[19:14] <Nergar> hello
[19:14] <k626> hello
[19:14] <crazy6> just curious, anyone successfully running AIGLX & CompizFusion on the 'radeon' open source driver? or should I not waste my time trying?
[19:15] <Nergar> anyone melting because kde4?
[19:15] <Nergar> I mean  WOW!
[19:15] <crazy6> is KDE4 available now?
[19:15] <vistakiller> ATI driver with fglrx is out!!!
[19:15] <JohnFlux> crazy6: not for another few months
[19:15] <vistakiller> aiglx sorry
[19:16] <Nergar> I am a gnome user but I dont think it will stay that way
[19:16] <Tm_T> crazy6: as beta
[19:16] <crazy6> hrm ok
[19:17] <crazy6> blast it all, this laptop has an ATI chipset, and it seems that compiz, etc isn't terribly easy to get working on that, even with 7.10 ...
[19:17] <F_M> All right, Infra just froze, probably killed a RW CD
[19:18] <vistakiller> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=887&num=1
[19:21] <tribunloki> hallo zusammen
[19:21] <tribunloki> ich bin neu hier
[19:22] <tribunloki> hi snow
[19:22] <snowdonkey> Hey tribunloki
[19:22] <||arifaX> peace tribunloki
[19:22] <tribunloki> also ich bin neu... neu mit Linux...
[19:22] <snowdonkey> Anyone know how to change the default file manager from Dolphin to KDE?
[19:22] <tribunloki> heute versuche ich meinen Einstieg
[19:22] <snowdonkey> lol, to Konqueror
[19:23] <||arifaX> tribunloki: versuch mal mit    /join #kubuntu-de   in den deutschen channel zu wechseln
[19:23] <hero> what application does one use to change the kdm theme?
[19:23] <MetaMorfoziS> hero apt-get install kdmtheme
[19:23] <MetaMorfoziS> thats adds a new menu to your kcontrol (under the system foo)
[19:23] <MetaMorfoziS> that enables you to change the themes
[19:24] <hero> ok, i have done that, but i can't seem to run it or find it anywhere
[19:24] <emilsedgh> hero: SystemSettings->Advanced->Login Manager, i think
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> ^
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> yeah
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> but not bad if you know, you only need:
[19:24] <hero> so what file is the theme manager looking for?
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> - download & extract, and edit the /etc/kde3/kdmrc file (find the line that starts with "Theme=....")
[19:24] <MetaMorfoziS> that's all
[19:29] <pomos_> how ca i disable the joins/quits at Konversation???????
[19:32] <ruben> mm
[19:32] <mmschnei> I feel stupid for having to ask this but I set a hotkey to start konqueror, I want to remove it but I can't find it. I have poked around kcontrol's "keyboard shortcuts" dialog but I am not seeing it there. I could be missing it, but is there anywhere else I should be looking?
[19:32] <kjellviz> hi there
[19:33] <kjellviz> i just downloaded and installed 7.10
[19:33] <kjellviz> and when i search in adpet i cant find much of my normal applications
[19:33] <kjellviz> like Opera or Kmess
[19:33] <MurielGodoi>  Hi,  anyone knows how install the hp analog tv tunner device on Gutsy (1164:0601)?
[19:33] <mmschnei> opera is not part of kubuntu
[19:33] <mmschnei> kjellviz: are you coming from another distro?
[19:34] <soujiro> hola chicos
[19:34] <kjellviz> kinda but not really :P
[19:34] <kjellviz> ive run ubuntu and pclinuxos
[19:34] <kjellviz> ubuntu had opera in repos
[19:34] <mmschnei> Well Opera is not usually in the (K)Ubuntu repositories
[19:34] <soujiro> how can i install fglrx from .run for and build a pkg for gutsy?
[19:35] <kjellviz> maybe not in the supported repos no, but in the alternative repos at least
[19:35] <mmschnei> kjellviz: I am new around here too, but basically to install opera you need to find another repository that has it and then add it. There are instrucitons online if you google. Sorry I am not of more help, I ahve that on my todo list as well.
[19:35] <kjellviz> and kmess was in kubuntu repos im sure
[19:35] <mmschnei> What is kmess?
[19:35] <kjellviz> kde messenger (msn)
[19:35] <mmschnei> ah
[19:35] <mmschnei> let me see if I have it in mine
[19:36] <kjellviz> thanks
[19:36] <mmschnei> it is showing up for me and as of right now I don't think I have adeded any
[19:36] <mmschnei> looks like it is part of Universe
[19:37] <mmschnei> have you enabled that?
[19:37] <kjellviz> sec ill check
[19:37] <kjellviz> hmmm can find "universe" anywhere
[19:37] <mmschnei> are you using adept?
[19:37] <kjellviz> in "Edit Software Sources" right ?
[19:38] <kjellviz> yeh
[19:38] <mmschnei> Let me figure this out, I've been using synaptic, I just liked the layout better for being a newb.
[19:38] <kjellviz> hehe
[19:38] <epimeth> hrm.... better to upgrade according to whats on the site or to manually edit sources.list to gutsy? and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[19:39] <mmschnei> epimeth: I'd guess go with whats on the site, I doubt.
[19:39] <mmschnei> I doubt that they'd make it better for manually upgrading
[19:39] <mmschnei> but once again.... total n00b here, at least to ubuntu
[19:39] <kjellviz> lol ssry mmschnei
[19:39] <mmschnei> kjellviz:
[19:39] <mmschnei> k
[19:39] <mmschnei> got it
[19:39] <kjellviz> ive activated universe rep yes
[19:39] <mmschnei> and no kmess still?
[19:40] <kjellviz> i just now found out its in () at the end of the repos names ><
[19:40] <kjellviz> nope, no kmess
[19:40] <mmschnei> ok
[19:40] <mmschnei> still in the software sources window
[19:40] <kjellviz> im thinking it might be wrong tbh
[19:40] <kjellviz> yeh ?
[19:40] <mmschnei> in the Third-Party software tab what do you have enabled?
[19:40] <kjellviz> all 3
[19:41] <kjellviz> cdrom is one of them
[19:41] <kjellviz> some archive at canonical
[19:41] <mmschnei> ok, I only have the middle one, no need for source and I'd prefer not to have it prompt me for the disc
[19:41] <kjellviz> and same only sources
[19:41] <mmschnei> but that shoudln't matter
[19:41] <mmschnei> hrmm
[19:41] <mmschnei> not sure yet
[19:41] <mmschnei> let me poke around another minute here
[19:41] <mmschnei> oh
[19:42] <mmschnei> on the first tab, "Kubuntu Software"
[19:42] <kjellviz> yeh?
[19:42] <[ifr0g]> What id i want to set the font size between 7 and 8 ??
[19:42] <mmschnei> where is "Download form:" set to?
[19:42] <kjellviz> main server
[19:42] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, I just downloaded and installed fglrx 8.42.3, but how do I enable xcomposite?
[19:42] <mmschnei> I have mine on US, not sure if you're a US user, and honestly that shouldn't make a difference, but lets go ahead and give it a shot.
[19:42] <kjellviz> im EU user, but ill try =)
[19:43] <mmschnei> make sure to "fetch updates" after you click close on that window.
[19:43] <mmschnei> well nm
[19:43] <kjellviz> ye did that, still no kmess
[19:43] <mmschnei> it prompts you to reload, do that.
[19:43] <kjellviz> but funny part is
[19:43] <kjellviz> when i search for kmess
[19:43] <mmschnei> ?
[19:43] <The_Machine> my front speakers in kmix are only at 75% each time KDE starts.  How can i make it so they automatically start at 100% volume?
[19:43] <kjellviz> it lists Internet on the left hand side
[19:44] <kjellviz> as if it knows its a internet applicaiton
[19:44] <mmschnei> yeah, thats kinda odd
[19:44] <kjellviz> it just dont wanna show me it ^^
[19:44] <mmschnei> let me check a few more things here
[19:44] <mmschnei> wait
[19:44] <mmschnei> this is in adept_manager?
[19:44] <kjellviz> ok thansk for the help so far =D
[19:44] <kjellviz> Adept Installer
[19:44] <mmschnei> I think you are using the old version some how
[19:44] <mmschnei> oh ok
[19:44] <mmschnei> let me load that
[19:45] <mmschnei> odd, that command loads syanptic for me
[19:45] <kjellviz> ohh maybe this is relevant; i have just installed Kubuntu, not downloaded any updates
[19:45] <mmschnei> oh
[19:46] <mmschnei> go ahead and try that.
[19:46] <kjellviz> will do
[19:46] <mmschnei> liek nothing at all, just literally installed a few mins ago? not tried installing much other software yet?
[19:46] <kjellviz> i got scared of updating thru adept on a earlier attempt on using kubuntu
[19:46] <kjellviz> ><
[19:46] <kjellviz> installed last night, searched adpet for kmess, could not find, turned off comp and now im here
[19:46] <kjellviz> ^^
[19:47] <mmschnei> ah
[19:47] <kjellviz> so havent installed anything yet
[19:47] <mmschnei> yeah, sounds like you just need the initial update then
[19:47] <mmschnei> =)
[19:47] <kjellviz> we'll see
[19:47] <mmschnei> it doesn't have the repositories cached yet to know where to find it.
[19:47] <kjellviz> last time i updated with adept it mesed up my install ><
[19:47] <mmschnei> how?
[19:47] <kjellviz> lost bluetooth
[19:47] <mmschnei> odd
[19:47] <kjellviz> w000t 0o
[19:48] <mmschnei> =)
[19:48] <mmschnei> I like the sound of htat.
[19:48] <kjellviz> new distriibution version avail it says
[19:48] <kjellviz> 0o
[19:48] <mmschnei> its ok
[19:48] <mmschnei> go ahead
[19:48] <mmschnei> I had the same thing happen
[19:48] <mmschnei> it seemed odd
[19:48] <kjellviz> but, 7.10 is laters right ?
[19:48] <mmschnei> yes
[19:48] <mmschnei> I think its just an update of some of the core utils from the release version
[19:48] <kjellviz> ok while waiting for that
[19:48] <mmschnei> I think they kinda rushed it
[19:49] <mmschnei> but I could be wrong.
[19:49] <kjellviz> do u know how to use kde4? (was trying on another user account but could only find 3.5)
[19:49] <mmschnei> not sure off hand, I know there are a few guides out there on the net.
[19:49] <kjellviz> kk will google on that
[19:49] <mmschnei> I just got installed a few days ago and I am still slowly trackign down all of my bugs too, thats on my todo list as well
[19:50] <kjellviz> hehe ok
[19:50] <mmschnei> I can't believe that KDE4 is slated for Dec-11th I have been watching the development of it for literally years now.
[19:50] <Cannoli> whats the linux equivelent of mspaint?
[19:50] <Cannoli> !paint
[19:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paint - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:50] <Cannoli> !mspaint
[19:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mspaint - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:50] <mmschnei> Cannoli: are you looking for something real basic? there are some good more advanced prog's out there
[19:50] <mmschnei> for free
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> Cannoli: xpaint?
[19:50] <sub[t]rnl> !info xpaint
[19:50] <ubotu> xpaint: simple paint program for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.8.1-1.2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 386 kB, installed size 1340 kB
[19:51] <Tm_T> !info tuxpaint
[19:51] <ubotu> tuxpaint: A paint program for young children. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.17-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 149 kB, installed size 388 kB
[19:51] <mmschnei> well there ya go guys =)
[19:51] <kjellviz> ye kde4 seems real good
[19:51] <Cannoli> the advanced one is called gimp?
[19:51] <sub[t]rnl> i say use gimp
[19:51] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[19:51] <mmschnei> Cannoli: yeah, thats the most commmon one
[19:51] <Cannoli> kk
[19:51] <Tm_T> Gimp or Krita
[19:51] <mmschnei> Cannoli: it might be too much if you jsut want to doodle or for kids
[19:51] <Cannoli> tahnx
[19:51] <mmschnei> np
[19:51] <Cannoli> nah i was gonna install it either way
[19:51] <n8k99> tuxpaint for kids to doodle
[19:51] <Cannoli> buti have time now
[19:52] <Cannoli> so wht not
[19:52] <mmschnei> Cannoli: GIMP comes somewhat close to photosohp
[19:52] <Cannoli> why not*
[19:52] <kjellviz> mmschnei: u know what ?
[19:52] <kjellviz> it worked ^^
[19:52] <mmschnei> kjellviz: awesome!
[19:52] <n8k99> my 2 yr old loves it, especially the way it plays sounds along with the painting
[19:52] <mmschnei> kjellviz: I would change your sources back to non-US for speed
[19:52] <kjellviz> thanks for helping me finding the solution
[19:52] <mmschnei> kjellviz: np =)
[19:52] <kjellviz> prob a good idea ye
[19:52] <mmschnei> kjellviz: pay it forward, help someone else here someday =)
[19:53] <kjellviz> i do every day
[19:53] <mmschnei> kjellviz: I just intalled Kmess, does this do webcam support?
[19:53] <kjellviz> except i get paid for it
[19:53] <kjellviz> lol
[19:53] <Cannoli> n8k99: how do u manage to keep ur n8k99 from smashing the keyboard, and opening random windows and stuff?
[19:53] <kjellviz> no idea, dont use it for those kind of things :P
[19:53] <n8k99> Cannoli: she has her own computer
[19:53] <mmschnei> kjellviz: ah, well why not use pidgin? (just curious)
[19:54] <n8k99> and her account does not have sudo so there's nothing that she can do to mess it up
[19:54] <kjellviz> mmschnei: cos i like the gui on kmess better, and i think pidgin is too gnomish
[19:54] <Cannoli> oh
[19:54] <Cannoli> awesome
[19:54] <mmschnei> kjellviz: good call.
[19:54] <mmschnei> I just use AIM, MSN, GTALK, and Y! every day and I dont like kopete so I am using gaim.
[19:54] <mmschnei> err Pidgin now I guess.
[19:54] <n8k99> Cannoli: an old Dell that can run edubuntu is all she needs now
[19:54] <Cannoli> n8k99: i have a 20month old bro, can i set up an account that doesnt have sudo on this pc for him?
[19:54] <kjellviz> hehe
[19:54] <kjellviz> mmschnei: i actually preferred gaim over pidgin
[19:55] <morphinex> I'm trying to do some file management w/ konqueror, how can I grant myself the ability to write to all directories?
[19:55] <mmschnei> kjellviz: yeah I kinda do to
[19:55] <n8k99> yes when you set up a new user, that account doesn't have sudo automatically
[19:55] <morphinex> ... other than starting it with kdesu from the command line
[19:55] <mmschnei> but I figure pidgin is the future of it, might as well get used to it.
[19:55] <Cannoli> ok
[19:55] <Cannoli> so wht can that account do
[19:55] <Cannoli> cause i dont want him totally distroying my pc
[19:55] <Cannoli> :P
[19:55] <Cannoli> like even on a limited account on windows he manages to like shut it down or open a billion programs
[19:55] <Cannoli> XD
[19:56] <kjellviz> mmschnei: ye ofc, gaim aint getting updates so... but i only use msn and occasionally skype
[19:56] <kjellviz> so kmess works fine for me =)
[19:56] <mmschnei> Hey guys, I cannot type a capital "c" with shift + c, just capslock <on> + c. I have mapped it to something stupidly, is there a quick way to check?
[19:56] <n8k99> Cannoli: well the basic set up is really different between the two OSes
[19:56] <n8k99> Cannoli: but she is relatively safe in her account
[19:57] <Cannoli> lets say u had more programs installed though
[19:57] <Cannoli> would she be able to open them and mess around with those?
[19:57] <n8k99> Cannoli: I'd recommend installing Gcompris as it has several boards that are at the right level for young kids
[19:57] <kjellviz> mmschnei: System settings - > Keyboard & mouse -> Shortcuts ?
[19:57] <Cannoli> or shouldi just load up a livecd everytime he wants on the pc?
[19:58] <Cannoli> !gcompris
[19:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gcompris - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:58] <Cannoli> !Gcompris
[19:58] <kjellviz> brb need water =)
[19:58] <mmschnei> kjellviz: hrmm, wonder if thats diff than kcontrols... kjellviz can you get me the command acutally excuted when you click on system settings? (I've remmapped mine from that prog to kcontrol)
[19:58] <Cannoli> !Gcompris
[19:58] <n8k99> if he has his own account which does not have sudo, there is nothing that he can really do to the system
[19:58] <Cannoli> i think i broke the bot XD
[19:59] <n8k99> and he's data will be separate from your data, cause they are in different directories
[19:59] <Cannoli> ic
[20:00] <Cannoli> so whts the worse he can do :S
[20:00] <kjellviz> mmschnei: humm not sure where to go about to find that out ><
[20:00] <mmschnei> kjellviz: right click on it, click edit
[20:00] <jpnurmi> can i install kubuntu from an usb-stick somehow?
[20:00] <kjellviz> heh found it ye ><
[20:00] <kjellviz> systemsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[20:00] <Cannoli> like he cant delete stuff, he cant install stuff,
[20:00] <n8k99> Cannoli: really not much
[20:00] <Cannoli> alright, thanx n8k99
[20:00] <n8k99> other than physical damage to t eh keybd
[20:01] <n8k99> your welcome
[20:01] <Cannoli> imma set up an account for him now
[20:01] <Cannoli> hahah yea
[20:01] <Cannoli> crazy little ankle biter
[20:01] <Cannoli> :P
[20:01] <mmschnei> keybashmaniac: thanks
[20:01] <mmschnei> err
[20:01] <mmschnei> kjellviz: thanks
[20:01] <n8k99> that's why we set up one with a kids kybd/mouse and a really bulletproof monitor!
[20:01] <n8k99> hehe
[20:01] <kjellviz> hey np =)
[20:01] <Cannoli> hah
[20:02] <Cannoli> i think i have one downstairts
[20:02] <mmschnei> hrmm, same dialog, not seeing anything bound to shift + c
[20:02] <Cannoli> we just dont have room
[20:02] <Cannoli> and tht would bring total # of pcs up to 4
[20:02] <Cannoli> XD
[20:02] <mmschnei> bulletproof monitor eh?
[20:02] <keybashmaniac> hey anytime anyone wants to randomly thank me - thats OK :)
[20:02] <Cannoli> thanx keybashmaniac
[20:02] <mmschnei> The monitor I am using has a bullet hole in it.
[20:02] <Cannoli> <3 u
[20:02] <Cannoli> :)
[20:02] <Cannoli> XD
[20:02] <n8k99> yeah we tested it even! :P
[20:02] <mmschnei> thankfully its just a secondary monitor
[20:04] <poison--> !mpeg
[20:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:07] <soujiro> !fglrx
[20:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:08] <endryus> hallo all. I have the following error during update "Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/Release Unable to find expected entry  feisty-commercial/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)"
[20:08] <endryus> someone can help?
[20:08] <CPrgmSwR2> Has anyone tried the new ati drivers yet?
[20:11] <web_knows> howdy
[20:11] <web_knows> anyone using amarok on 7.10? gusty gibbon..
[20:11] <web_knows> I mean, musicbrainz lookup is not working anymore
[20:11] <n8k99> web_knows: at the moment, yes
[20:11] <web_knows> since the upgrade from feisty fawn
[20:11] <web_knows> it never finds the track on musicbrainz
[20:12] <The_Machine> yeah
[20:13] <The_Machine> i'm using marok on 7.10
[20:13] <The_Machine> my front speakers in kmix are only at 75% each time KDE starts.  How can i make it so they automatically start at 100% volume?
[20:17] <werty> im havivng the same problem
[20:17] <werty> with the speakers
[20:23] <eric> bonsoir
[20:23] <ScorpKing> !fr
[20:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[20:23] <ScorpKing> hi eric :)
[20:23] <eric> hi
[20:24]  * ScorpKing munches and wonder what happened to everyone...
[20:24] <eric> say
[20:29] <ScorpKing> i get 50KB/s with my wireless when i copy files to my server. is that normal?
[20:29] <trilobit> I have a very strange Problem with the update feisty->gutsy on a HP dx 5150 (Radeon X300) the xorg.conf seems to be fine but wenn the xserver starts up it seems that the xserver thinks to have only a 640x400 resolution monitor. the effect ist very strange I can use the hole manitor with the usual 1280 x 1024 @ 60 H only but al drop down menues and so one...only use the 640x400 angle on the lefttop
[20:31] <trilobit> in the system settings in the monitor menue the resolution is also fix at 640x400
[20:31] <ScorpKing> i have that same problem on another box but with feisty.
[20:33] <trilobit> note in the xorg.conf you can not find any resolution except 1280 x 1024 @ 60 so it doesn't seem to be a problem of xorg.conf
[20:34] <werty>  i cannot install google earth on kubuntu.what can i do?
[20:34] <ptfd9100> anyone using foo2zjs drivers?
[20:34] <romuloo> hey...
[20:35] <romuloo> if i uninstall my Kaffeine (very problems), the other libs will be removed too?
[20:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[20:35] <ScorpKing> trilobit: there might be a xorg.conf in your home dir.
[20:35] <romuloo> because the kubuntu-desktop is marked to remove
[20:35] <romuloo> on adept
[20:35] <blendtux> nevermind romuloo, kubuntu-desktop is only a metapackage
[20:36] <blendtux> no other pacakges will be removed
[20:36] <blendtux> you can afterwards apt-get install kubuntu-desktop if you like
[20:36] <romuloo> hummm
[20:36] <blendtux> !metapackage
[20:36] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[20:37] <blendtux> do you understand romuloo
[20:37] <blendtux> !metapackage | romuloo
[20:37] <ubotu> romuloo: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[20:38] <romuloo> yeah :) i'm not afraid now
[20:38] <trilobit> ScorpKing: the problem is that even the login screen has this strange behavior and I added allready a testaccount with the same result
[20:38] <romuloo> thanks, blendtux and ubotu
[20:38] <romuloo> my kaffeine isn't working with xine...
[20:39] <romuloo> it's veeeery slow and the screen is green o.O (my english is terrible)
[20:39] <blendtux> romuloo: ubotu is a very nice bot
[20:39] <ptfd9100> anyone using foo2zjs drivers?
[20:40] <romuloo> i'm using the totem and mplayer
[20:40] <romuloo> hahahaha, great =D
[20:40] <MaDiNfO_> HELP changed video driver from flgx to VESA now my X is all mess up how can i put it back ?
[20:40] <MaDiNfO_> HELP changed video driver from flgx to VESA now my X is all mess up how can i put it back ?
[20:41] <blendtux> oke madinfo
[20:41] <ScorpKing> MaDiNfO_: change it back to flgx
[20:41] <MaDiNfO_> ScorpKing how ?
[20:41] <MaDiNfO_> X now doesnt work
[20:41] <Kr4t05> Why doesn't Gutsy automatically mount my MP3 player? Feisty did.
[20:41] <blendtux> did you edited your xorg.conf by hand
[20:41] <MaDiNfO_> blendtux no
[20:42] <MaDiNfO_> it was by X config
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> MaDiNfO_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:42] <trilobit> MaDiNfO_: first check in the /et/X11
[20:42] <sub[t]rnl> or do what blendtux said, and just edit it by hand
[20:42] <crackhead_25> question: i just created a new partition out of unallocated space on a hard drive. set it up. mkdir, etc. it's mounting fine. however, after i did this, i can't seem to see in my firewire ext hard drive (which previously was mounting fine). anyone know what might have gone wrong, or how i can make sure i can see inside the firewire and make sure it's working henceforth? (also, this afternoon i updated to feisty from edgy. not sure if
[20:42] <crackhead_25> that has anything to do with it.)
[20:42] <ScorpKing> trilobit: what happens if you press <ctrl>+<alt>+<KB+>? does it cycle through all the available modes?
[20:42] <trilobit> if there is a olt xorg.con normaly there is a backup
[20:43] <sub[t]rnl> crackhead_25: what are the mount points of your new partition and the external hard drive?
[20:44] <ScorpKing> trilobit: sorry. ;) that is KeyPad +
[20:45] <Morrissey> Hi, does the new ipod nano work on amarok now?
[20:45] <jarle> I was reading that gutsy had some problems with unstable kernel the first days out, it it stable enough for update now?
[20:45] <trilobit> Ok thats a nice hint I will try it tomorrow immediately. (it's my working pc)
[20:46] <ScorpKing> :)
[20:46] <werty>  i cannot install google earth on kubuntu.what can i do?
[20:46] <blendtux> what seems to be the problem werty
[20:46] <ScorpKing> werty: how are you trying to install it?
[20:46] <werty> google earth
[20:46] <sub[t]rnl> werty: heh, you need to be more specific
[20:47] <blendtux> did you downloaded
[20:47] <sub[t]rnl> chmod +x GoogleEarthLinux.bin && ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[20:47] <werty> yes
[20:48] <werty> cdmod?
[20:48] <sub[t]rnl> chmod
[20:48] <ScorpKing> werty: type those commands
[20:49] <werty> ok.. :)
[20:50] <werty> nothing happens
[20:50] <werty> nothing happens
[20:50] <sub[t]rnl> are you in the directory of the .bin?
[20:51] <werty> no you see i cannont even open the .bin file
[20:51] <werty> ..
[20:51] <Silviana> ola...
[20:51] <sub[t]rnl> whats it say when you type the command I gave you
[20:51] <sub[t]rnl> show me exactly what it said
[20:51] <sub[t]rnl> greets Silviana
[20:52] <werty> @werty-laptop:~$ chmod +x GoogleEarthLinux.bin && ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[20:52] <werty> chmod: cannot access `GoogleEarthLinux.bin': No such file or directory
[20:52] <vbgunz> anybody hear hissing/popping when an audio clip starts/stops in amarok? I never heard this before except on Gutsy :/
[20:52] <sub[t]rnl> werty: go to the directory that it downloaded bub
[20:52] <werty> ok dektop..
[20:53] <sea4ever> Anyone know why my sound card is shown in lspci as "unclassified device" ??
[20:53] <vbgunz> yeah, I don't hear this popping/hissing in kaffeine but hear it in Amarok and in system notifications
[20:53] <werty> when i click it opens with kate
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> werty: cool
[20:53] <sub[t]rnl> though, thats not what we want to do
[20:53] <Silviana> i am trying to install new gutsy from cdrom, and it gets as sleep (without going on) at the pre-last step
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> werty: cd ~/Desktop;chmod +x GoogleEarthLinux.bin && ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[20:54] <sub[t]rnl> run that from konsole
[20:54] <werty> ok
[20:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> !hi | everybody
[20:54] <ubotu> everybody: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[20:55]  * ScorpKing waves at AT0M1CB0MB3R..
[20:56] <werty> installation started..
[20:56] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> ScorpKing: HEY!!! whatup
[20:57] <esperegu> does kubuntu also use compiz?
[20:58] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: not by default, but yeah
[20:58] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: I can I try it?
[20:58] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: sure!
[20:58] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: any idea how? maybe link to a howto or something?
[20:59] <werty> it works..
[20:59] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-config-settings-manager sexy-python
[21:00] <esperegu> lol. sexy-python
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> dern geeks
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> and their provocative naming
[21:00] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: and how does one then switch to the other manager?
[21:00] <sub[t]rnl> you can alt+f2 and run compiz
[21:01] <sub[t]rnl> or you can add a symbolic link to compiz in your ~/.kde/Autostart directory
[21:01] <dhq_>  how do i copy files from a dir and zipp to  tar.gz
[21:01] <ubuntu> hi there
[21:01] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: ok. so it runs on top of the kde windowmanager or something?
[21:01] <sub[t]rnl> dhq_: tar -cz /dir
[21:01] <ScorpKing> dhq_: laak at man tar. :P
[21:01] <sub[t]rnl> or tar -c /dir && gzip /dir
[21:01] <ScorpKing> look*
[21:02] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: no it replaces it
[21:02] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: oh add emerald to the list of packages, as its the window decorator for compiz-fusion
[21:03] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: E: Couldn't find package compiz-config-settings-manager
[21:03] <sub[t]rnl> compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:03] <sub[t]rnl> sorry
[21:04] <esperegu> np
[21:05] <Absol_X> uh... Hi there!
[21:06] <ScorpKing> hi Absol_X!
[21:07] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: Kinky
[21:07] <Absol_X> I was wondering, if my linux crashes and can't boot any more
[21:07] <Absol_X> will I be unable to boot on windous as well?
[21:08] <Absol_X> or the GRUB will work still
[21:08] <sub[t]rnl> Absol_X: not unless your bootloader is trashed
[21:08] <waylandbill> Absol_X: only if something happens to grub.
[21:08] <sub[t]rnl> grub will still work
[21:08] <Absol_X> cool, thanks
[21:08] <Cirno> I've got a few questions.
[21:09] <sub[t]rnl> ruh roh
[21:09] <Cirno> I used to use *buntu about half a year ago, then got rid of them and now I'm interested in going back.
[21:09] <Cirno> I downloaded Kubuntu 7.10, figuring I'd give KDE a try this time around since I typically used gnome
[21:10] <Cirno> On my PC the live CD has issues. When the live OS loads, it gets past the splash screen, I see the little graphic loading the different modules pop up, and at the second or third my monitor shuts off.
[21:10] <Black_Monkey> hi, I'm upgrading to gutsy, and it just said that it can't install debconf - is this an important package? (sorry if this is a stupid question)
[21:10] <Absol_X> maybe is the screen saver
[21:10] <Cirno> Then the power light starts blinking, like it does when it's plugged in but the computer isn't sending any signal.
[21:11] <Absol_X> try moving the mouse
[21:11] <NeoFax> Cirno: Do CTRL+ALT+F2
[21:11] <sub[t]rnl> Cirno: ATI?
[21:11] <NeoFax> This will get u to a command prompt.  Then do cat /var/lo/Xorg.0.log
[21:11] <Cirno> No, NVidia
[21:11] <Cirno> GeForce 7600 GS
[21:11] <NeoFax> Check if there is any line that has EE on it
[21:12] <NeoFax> Or do cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[21:12] <werty> when i boot somewhere in the middle before the login screen appears i have a messagr among othrers..:"..]intel_rng: FWH not detected" what does it mean?
[21:13] <Absol_X> may be you computer is not an Intel
[21:13] <Cirno> Okay, I'll try that in my next attempt.
[21:13] <sub[t]rnl> Cirno: install it in safe graphics mode
[21:13] <werty> it is intel centrino
[21:13] <Cirno> Safe graphics mode also shuts the monitor off.
[21:13] <Absol_X> oh
[21:13] <NeoFax> Or grab the Alternate install iso
[21:13] <esperegu> hey... my titlebars are gone... any ideawhich part might have died?
[21:13] <sub[t]rnl> Cirno hack it up a bit
[21:13] <Absol_X> X windows manger?
[21:14] <NeoFax> esperegu: run emerald &&
[21:14] <werty> and it takes some time to boot up..
[21:14] <Cirno> For my other question
[21:14] <Cirno> I DID get it installed on my laptop
[21:14] <Cirno> (A Toshiba Satellite A50)
[21:14] <Cirno> But it takes 3 minutes to boot up.
[21:14] <sub[t]rnl> Cirno: highlight safe graphics mode, then hit f6 and change splash to nosplash
[21:14] <Absol_X> well got to go, see ya
[21:14] <sub[t]rnl> then boot it up
[21:14] <taylan> Cirno I hve same laptop is there a problem with drivers
[21:14] <NeoFax> Cirno check what daemons are running and turn off the ones u don't need
[21:14] <esperegu> NeoFax: with one &  i suppose?
[21:15] <NeoFax> yes.  Sorry my fingers got happy
[21:15] <esperegu> NeoFax: with one & worked. thx
[21:15] <werty> i dont have windows if thats what you're asking..
[21:15] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: thx man! it looks nice =)
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: good to ehar
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> ..hear
[21:15] <Cirno> How do I check which daemons are running?
[21:15] <NeoFax> esperegu: U can create a bash script in .kde/Autostart to automatically start compiz and emerald for u everytime
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> neofax your rubbing off on me!
[21:15] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[21:16] <expose> Hi
[21:16] <ScorpKing> lol
[21:16] <NeoFax> Cirno: If u r in KDE, do ALT+F2 and then check for running servers
[21:16] <ScorpKing> hi expose!
[21:16] <NeoFax> Cirno: Sorry I meant ALT+F2 and then type kcontrol
[21:16] <Cirno> Oh, also there's no bootup splash in the laptop installation.
[21:16] <Cirno> That's not a huge issue, I'd rather sort out this slow booting first.
[21:16] <expose> After upgrading from feisty to gutsy cups wont print over ipp anymore, reporting that the ipp binary of it cannot handle (application/octet) or so as input format.
[21:17] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl, NeoFax: I take back that it looks nice.
[21:17] <expose> hints or solutions anyone?
[21:17] <esperegu> it's AWESOME.
[21:17] <Cannoli> XD
[21:17] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: :P
[21:17] <esperegu> :-D
[21:17] <NeoFax> Cirno: Grab Startup Manager and u can change the usplash image from within that very easily
[21:17] <julie> please site french
[21:18] <ScorpKing> !fr
[21:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:18] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: NeoFax: you guys have any experience with performance? is it taking a lot and should I only use it to impress windows and mac users or is it really handy and usable in day to day work?
[21:18] <NeoFax> expose: do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get remove cups && sudo apt-get install cups.  Have it install the developers config file then start over from there.
[21:19] <Black_Monkey> erm... now the gutsy upgrade is frozen - should I just close it and go back into adept?
[21:19] <NeoFax> esperegu: I use it on sidux with a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 and it works fine except when I want to play games.
[21:19] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: compiz had a memory leak when i first started using it.  One of the plugins wasn't freeing up the allocated memory, and it eventually soaked up all my ram.  But now that its sorted, it really doesn't hamper my system, and the cube increases my performance
[21:19] <sub[t]rnl> it all depends on what kind of resources you have to spare
[21:20] <NeoFax> The more people that use it and report bugs, the better it will get
[21:20] <sub[t]rnl> true
[21:20] <NeoFax> Just look at how ATI was basically forced to open up their drivers
[21:20] <expose> NeoFax: and what is that supposed to fix?
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> kwin is pushing their own compositing compiz'like manager
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> should be far more stable than trying compiz-fusion + kde
[21:21] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: NeoFax: I have a dell xps m1330 with 2GB ram an dualcore 2ghz with nvidia 8400 128mb
[21:21] <NeoFax> More deveelopers, open source equals more eyes and fix things
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> esperegu: yeah your fine
[21:21] <sea4ever> I give up on my soundcard
[21:21] <expose> NeoFax: and besides - doesnt "remove" keep the config, but prune or so deletes them?
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> --purge
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> prune lol
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> sorry
[21:21] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: ok. thx. I was afraid the videocard might have not enough memory
[21:22] <NeoFax> expose: It should ask u to overwrite ur config when u reinstall, but u r correct
[21:22] <NeoFax> esperegu: I know people running it on Geforce 4's
[21:22] <expose> NeoFax: hm, okay.
[21:22] <michal_> I need some help, should I write it here or chat in priv?
[21:22] <sub[t]rnl> ask away broseph
[21:22] <NeoFax> michal_: Write it here for everyone to share
[21:23] <ScorpKing> sea4ever: is the module loaded for you soundcard?
[21:23] <esperegu> sub[t]rnl: NeoFax: thx 4 u help guys... ghis la revido!
[21:23] <NeoFax> sea4ever: What card u have?
[21:23] <NeoFax> esperegu: np
[21:24] <werty> if i have a big problem with my system is there any function in kubuntu like restoring in a previus session?
[21:24] <sub[t]rnl> werty: yup
[21:24] <michal_> I'm trying to enable writing on ntfs. I've already installed ntfs-3g, and tried to mount again, but I get this:
[21:24] <sub[t]rnl> werty: start-system settings-advanced-session
[21:25] <michal_> "/sbin/mount.ntfs-3g: error while loading shared libraries: libntfs-3g.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[21:25] <med416> can someone tell me how to make a vertical apostrophe?
[21:25] <NeoFax> michal_: R u manually trying to mount the drive?
[21:25] <michal_> yeap
[21:25] <med416> i dont know what its called
[21:25] <NeoFax> what r u typing at the command prompt?
[21:25] <michal_> "sudo mount -a"
[21:26] <michal_> I've tried to reboot, but it failed as well
[21:26] <NeoFax> med416: Gnome has a character mapper program.  Use that to look for the code to type
[21:26] <NeoFax> michal_: Try doing fdisk -l and posting the relevant line here
[21:26] <med416> neo how do i open gnome?
[21:27] <Black_Monkey> Hey, can anyone help with this? During a gutsy upgrade, it failed to install debconf, and a couple of x11 packages, and now the installation is frozen - should I just close it and try to start again from adept?
[21:27] <NeoFax> med416: U would have to use adept to look for character and then install the file.  It will show up on ur menu then
[21:28] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Why not do CTRL+ALT+F1 and login at the command prompt.  Then do sudo apt-get -f install
[21:28] <martoss> hi there
[21:28] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: That should install all of the necessary packages
[21:28] <Morrissey> Anyone know why amarok does'nt transer my covers over to the iPod? just the songs
[21:28] <martoss> how can I "reactivate" the automatic mode of network manager?
[21:28] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: without quitting the upgrade?
[21:28] <martoss> i can only setup networks manually in kde's networkmanager icon
[21:29] <NeoFax> martoss: Go to /etc/network/interfaces and delete all of the lines pertaining to ur eth[0-9] card
[21:29] <michal_> dunno if you meant this, but: /dev/hda1   *           1        2040    16386268+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[21:29] <WaltzingAlong> Black_Monkey: that followed with sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:29] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: The upgrade is still running?
[21:29] <martoss> NeoFax, thx, and than restarting network manager... great!
[21:29] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: yes, but it's stopped
[21:30] <luigi> ci sono italiani??
[21:30] <WaltzingAlong> io
[21:30] <luigi> ciao
[21:30] <Black_Monkey> after it gave an error saying it can't install those packages, it's just stayed on the same one
[21:30] <NeoFax> michal_: OK, then do sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs /media/ntfs.  Make sure u have that folder first
[21:30] <WaltzingAlong> ciao come va
[21:30] <luigi> ho un problema con kub
[21:30] <xevious> my friend who i convinced to go to kubuntu just got his first person to convert... they're both wondering if there's a good web site with an introduction to the command prompt (bash)?
[21:30] <WaltzingAlong> !it | luigi
[21:30] <ubotu> luigi: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:30] <WaltzingAlong> dimmi
[21:31] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Sorry.  But I don't know how to fix that then.  What part has it stopped at?
[21:31] <luigi> non mi apre hotmail
[21:31] <sacater> hey guys, i have 4 virtual desktops and a pager, what are the shortcut keys to switch between these desktops
[21:31] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: currently it says "Preparing to configure libgcrypt11"
[21:31] <WaltzingAlong> con cosa? firefox? konqueror?
[21:31] <Black_Monkey> at 2% of the installation
[21:31] <bernard0> is there any bug or incompatibilty installing ubuntu gutsy in some special desktop?
[21:31] <luigi> firefox
[21:32] <NeoFax> xevious: Linux.com or IBM's developer website just published a pdf file that has alot of common bash programs and their usage
[21:32] <wastedfluid> How long will Fiesty Fawn be supported?
[21:32] <WaltzingAlong> wastedfluid: next year
[21:32] <wastedfluid> Okay.  Thanks.
[21:32] <luigi> mi arriva fino a ssl dove c è il lucchetto e poi basta
[21:32] <wastedfluid> Using Fiesty Fawn until I can't use it anymore.. Gutsy is just a button of problems for me.  >:_
[21:32] <wastedfluid> Using Fiesty Fawn until I can't use it anymore.. Gutsy is just a button of problems for me.  >:)
[21:32] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Go to CTRL+ALT+F5(I think this is the tty that ubuntu uses to show what is happening) and check to see if that is where it really stalled.
[21:32] <WaltzingAlong> luigi: scusi ma prova /join #ubuntu-it
[21:34] <martoss_2> hmm ok, i have only loopback in my interfaces
[21:34] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: it just shows a normal login prompt
[21:34] <blubb> does anyone know the name of the kde menu updater tool? That tool should find programms that are not in my kmenu
[21:35] <martoss_2> how to restart network manager /etc/init.d/networking restart did not help
[21:35] <WaltzingAlong> blubb: you just installed something but the shortcut is not there yet?
[21:35] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: try the others from F1 to F12 but skip F7.  If it is not on any of these, I don't know where ubuntu sends the log
[21:35] <taylan> I wrote "locate qstring.h" and get nothing
[21:35] <WaltzingAlong> blubb: if that is what you mean, you can run kbuildsycoca
[21:36] <blubb> WaltzingAlong: I don't think so
[21:36] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: 1-6 are login, 8 is bootup, and 9-12 are blank, just the cursor
[21:36] <blubb> it was something like kmenuupdate
[21:36] <NeoFax> martoss_2: try sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
[21:36] <venik> To get kubuntu 7.10, do I download the general Ubuntu, or is there a special Kubuntu 7.10 ISO?
[21:36] <WaltzingAlong> venik: there is a special kubuntu iso
[21:36] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: See if there is a file in /var/log that corresponds to the install
[21:36] <venik> where is it?  I could not find it
[21:36] <Black_Monkey> venik: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[21:36] <martoss_2> omg, network-manager does not exist :-)
[21:36] <WaltzingAlong> venik: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[21:38] <expose> NeoFax: that was kind of the worst idea to do. the commands as you wrote them neither asked for overwriting, nor removed my configs.
[21:38] <expose> NeoFax: removing cups, removing the configs, reinstalling cups ends up with a cups but no configs.
[21:38] <expose> NeoFax: and cups wont regenerate them automagically either.
[21:38] <dthacker-lt> join #ubuntu-us
[21:38] <dthacker-lt> oops sorry
[21:38] <NeoFax> expose: correct. Now u can start over with http://localhost:631 and configure ur printer from there
[21:39] <expose> NeoFax: nope - i cant, because it will crash without a proper config to start out with.
[21:39] <martoss_2> ok, reinstalled network-manager package and it works... thx NeoFAx
[21:39] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: dpkg.log shows package installs, the last one being libgcrypt11
[21:40] <expose> and besides that again, apt will crash, because that stupid post-install configuration will crash when cups does but will not generate a working config, so that cups can work
[21:40] <NeoFax> when u reinstalled cups it will install a cups.conf file
[21:40] <expose> NeoFax: it wont even regenerate the /etc/cups dir if i delete it.
[21:41] <expose> _although_ that should be part of the cupsys pkg
[21:41] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: try(just guessing here) doing sudo apt-get install libgcrypt11 in the command prompt
[21:41] <NeoFax> expose: Why would apt generate an error on cups install?
[21:42] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: so close the distribution upgrade then? apt-get won't work whilst it's still running
[21:42] <no0tic> does pppd depend to ipv6? I blacklisted ipv6 module and pppd exited with status 16 (modem hang up)
[21:42] <expose> http://paste.frubar.net/6473
[21:42] <expose> NeoFax:
[21:42] <NeoFax> if it hung, close the install and try doing sudo apt-get -f install
[21:43] <trappist> any howtos on getting compiz-fusion working with kubuntu gutsy with an intel card?
[21:43] <expose> NeoFax: that has absolutly no effect.
[21:43] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | trappist
[21:43] <ubotu> trappist: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:43] <sub[t]rnl> trappist: I use compiz-fusion with xserver-xorg-video-intel, runs great
[21:43] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: thanks!
[21:43]  * WaltzingAlong nods
[21:44] <NeoFax> expose: Then check what package contains the cups.conf file and reinstall that.  Then do apt-get -f install
[21:44] <expose> NeoFax: let's start out at the very beginning: (sudo for all of them) killall -9 cupsd && apt-get remove cupsys && rm -rf /etc/cups
[21:45] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: this howto doesn't address my issues
[21:45] <expose> NeoFax: cupsys contains it.
[21:45] <expose> NeoFax: as i said before.
[21:45] <WaltzingAlong> trappist: what is your issue?
[21:45] <trappist> sub[t]rnl: did you have to do anything special?
[21:45] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: compiz won't start due to no Xgl
[21:45] <NeoFax> expose: Why rm -rf /etc/cups?
[21:45] <expose> NeoFax: now, after i issue those commands, and try to -f install cupsys i get the following
[21:45] <WaltzingAlong> trappist: sudo aptitude install xserver-xgl ?
[21:45] <expose> NeoFax: because that's what i did. why not?
[21:45] <expose> NeoFax: i expect a package to properly install under those conditions.
[21:46] <NeoFax> on directorys like that I would never do it unless I backed it up first
[21:46] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: trying that now, thanks.  my previous box had everything working great, but that was an nvidia card.
[21:46] <expose> NeoFax: it shouldnt matter, because the dir is part of the pkg.
[21:47] <expose> i expect a packge to install if i never installed it before. and that is what /etc would look like if i'd have never done so.
[21:47] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: it's saying the database area is being used by another program, but I can't see anything in ps x
[21:47] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[21:47] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:47] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Try ps aux | grep apt
[21:47] <michal_> NeoFax: it worked (mounted the partition), but I still can't write. It looks as if there's no additional soft (like before installing ntfs-3g)
[21:47] <Black_Monkey> ah, thanks
[21:47] <WaltzingAlong> trappist: there may be a 'small fact' on ubuto about getting what you need for 3d accel with the intel cards
[21:47] <robinson> Hey- running kubuntu gutsy. It keeps telling me there is a new version available when i run my updates through adept.. I am already running gutsy... How do i get rid of this?
[21:48] <robinson> this was installed from the beta, and all updates have been run, so is this not the final?
[21:48] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: nothing on that
[21:48] <WaltzingAlong> robinson: it is final. that is a known error. a fix is in a package in gutsy-proposed
[21:48] <venik> has anyone managed to UPDATE to 7.1 from 7.04, or is it always a Fresh Install?  (I know that this is the recommended procedure, but it is such a pain.....)
[21:48] <ScorpKing> michal_: permissions problem?
[21:48] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: what's that?  ps, I installed xserver-xgl just now and it still says it's "not present"
[21:48] <robinson> WaltzingAlong: so just install that package through adept, and problem solved?
[21:49] <Daisuke_Ido> venik: updating is much smoother now, i'm guessing you haven't tried it.
[21:49] <NeoFax> expose: I would have done a prune instead.  Anyhow, so when u run sudo apt-get install cupsys u get the same error of configure?
[21:49] <WaltzingAlong> venik: i have experience with 3 from 7.04 to 7.10
[21:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i would imagine MOST people updated instead of installing fresh
[21:49] <venik> I have the ISO-- can it be used for updating?
[21:49] <michal_> ScorpKing:  I guess so (not problem user)
[21:49] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Then do like ubotu said and delete the lock file
[21:49] <WaltzingAlong> venik: the desktop/live, no
[21:49] <expose> NeoFax: which error do you talk about now?
[21:49] <Black_Monkey> WaltzingAlong: I did that command, it asks me if I want to kill dpkg, then it says it's locked
[21:49] <venik> so how do I update?
[21:50] <WaltzingAlong> !topic | venik
[21:50] <NeoFax> expose: The one from pastebar u sent
[21:50] <ubotu> venik: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[21:50] <michal_> ScorpKing:  any idea how to make use of ntfs partition?
[21:50] <ScorpKing> michal_: ls -l /dir/ - what is the permissions?
[21:50] <the-erm> Anyone here now anything about remote control setup?  I have an older audigy2.
[21:50] <expose> NeoFax: yes
[21:50] <robinson> WaltzingAlong: the package gutsy-proposed doesnt show in my package manager. Please advise
[21:50] <NeoFax> the-erm: Does lirc support it?
[21:50] <ScorpKing> michal_: this might be helpfull - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[21:51] <the-erm> NeoFax: that's what I'm wondering.  I had it running along time ago when mandriva was mandrake.
[21:51] <expose> that is likely the most broken distupgrade i ever did in my life...
[21:51] <savetheWorld> hi. anyone know the name of the sshd package?
[21:51] <NeoFax> expose: Try going to /var/cache/apt/archives and deleting the cups* deb files
[21:51] <WaltzingAlong> savetheWorld: openssh-server
[21:51] <expose> savetheWorld: apt-cache search openssh
[21:51] <NeoFax> Then do a sudo apt-get -f install
[21:51] <savetheWorld> gracias!
[21:52] <expose> NeoFax: if a *.deb was broken it wouldnt install because of mismatching checksums. so that shouldnt help at all.
[21:52] <the-erm> NeoFax: I just seem to remember what driver I used.  I lost my remote, and as I recall I could use other remotes.
[21:52] <ScorpKing> michal_: sudo chown you:you -R /mountpoint/ will change the ownership of the files to you.
[21:52] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: when doing that command, it gives the same "database is locked" error
[21:52] <expose> NeoFax: at least i hope apt uses checksums...
[21:52] <sacater> hey guys, i have 4 virtual desktops and a pager, what are the shortcut keys to switch between these desktops
[21:53] <NeoFax> expose: Not necessarily true.  I have done this in the past and it works.  Sometimes apt is obstinate
[21:53] <WaltzingAlong> robinson: using adept manager, if you have software-properties-kde installed, adept menu/manage repositories/ then on the updates tab, click pre-released updates; then update and upgrade
[21:53] <Cannoli> !zip
[21:53] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[21:53] <expose> NeoFax: how calmative to know...
[21:53] <NeoFax> well, it is better than rpm and windows dll hell
[21:54] <sub[t]rnl> savetheWorld: openssh-server?
[21:54] <robinson> WaltzingAlong: thank you
[21:54] <expose> NeoFax: still the same.
[21:54] <savetheWorld> sub[t]rnl: yes, answwered thanks
[21:54] <sub[t]rnl> kk
[21:54] <werty> how can i get help content for my gnome apps?
[21:54] <werty> how can i get help content for my gnome apps?
[21:54] <robinson> WaltzingAlong: full upgrade or version upgrade?
[21:54] <WaltzingAlong> full
[21:55] <Mr_Pan> when i try to mount my SATA hd the system return this message "half storage fixed mount all options refused uid 1000". any ideas?    i use kubuntu gutsy
[21:55] <WaltzingAlong> click preview, see what it is about to do, should be the adept package and such
[21:55] <robinson> nvrmnd, i'll just use the adept updater
[21:55] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: Are you using a livecd?
[21:55] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, no no istall version
[21:56] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: and that "hald" not "half"
[21:56] <ScorpKing> nite guys! have fun..
[21:56] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, yes it's hal-storage -----
[21:56] <NeoFax> expose: Take a look in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.config file.  This should show where u r having an error
[21:56] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: I have not yet upgraded to gutsy but can you mount that volume from that command line?
[21:57] <trappist> ok now I have compiz-fusion working.  what's a repo I can grab to stay up to date with compiz-fusion updates?
[21:57] <WaltzingAlong> Mr_Pan: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-473511.html
[21:57] <Black_Monkey> so any ideas how I can get apt and stuff working again if that command doesn't work?
[21:57] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: What he said.. :P
[21:58] <venik> I followed the instructions, and it took way too little time, but there were no error messages.  I also do not understand why we are told to repeat the intial steps 1-3 after the upgrade.
[21:58] <michal_> ScorpKing: thanks, the site was very helpful
[21:58] <Mr_Pan> seajey, i try to nand mount just a moment
[21:58] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, i try to hand mount it just a moment pls
[21:58] <expose> NeoFax: take it where? executing it results in no output and no noticable changes.
[21:58] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: It seems as if u will have to start from the beginning.  Make a backup of the files u want to keep
[21:59] <WaltzingAlong> venik: yeah perhaps not all that straight forward.
[21:59] <expose> NeoFax: and neither does apt produce a useable cupsd.conf when installing.
[21:59] <Black_Monkey> NeoFax: wiping the whole system?
[22:00] <stdin> Notice: Kubuntu talk in #ubuntu-classroom come and join the fun (chat and questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat )
[22:00] <venik> on the other hand, I have been updating stuff all along, as updates became available, so maybe all I needed was an incremental upgrade
[22:00] <expose> I have to say this ... makes me freak out.
[22:01] <chx> I can't get kftpgrabber to download multiple threads at once. i feel n00b. how can i do that?
[22:02] <NeoFax> expose: That file checks first to see if there is a valid /etc/ports.conf file.  If not, it returns an error.  Maybe debian has a cups.conf file in there skeleton file directory that is put there in the first place.
[22:02] <NeoFax> Black_Monkey: Yes
[22:02] <WaltzingAlong> !final
[22:02] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:02] <expose> NeoFax: apt doesnt do _anything_ to that /etc/cups as it seems.
[22:03] <SeanTater> chx: You might not need kftpgrabber at all, as konqueror supports ftp along with numerous other protocols. If you are trying to download two things at once using konqueror, you can usually just drag them separately.
[22:03] <trappist> pre-gutsy I was able to use the extra buttons on my mouse.  now when I use xev those buttons come up as button 2 and button 3, where they used to be (I think) 6 and 7.  any way to restore that?
[22:03] <Black_Monkey> fair enough, I'll download the gutsy iso then...
[22:03] <expose> NeoFax: although it _is_ part of cupsys
[22:03] <WaltzingAlong> !info imwheel | trappist
[22:03] <ubotu> trappist: imwheel: program to support non-standard buttons on new mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0pre12-7 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 268 kB
[22:03] <trappist> WaltzingAlong: thanks again
[22:04] <expose> NeoFax: who owns /etc/cups
[22:04] <expose> ?
[22:04] <werty> how can i get help content for my gnome apps?
[22:04] <SeanTater> expose: The user is cupsys, the group is lp
[22:04] <venik> can someone reminds me how to find out which version of kubuntu I am running?
[22:04] <expose> SeanTater: thanks
[22:04] <lovre> hi all
[22:04] <SeanTater> expose: yw
[22:05] <NeoFax> expose: root:root except for some files
[22:05] <expose> now what.
[22:05] <expose> except for which files.
[22:05] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, i cant hand mount it
[22:05] <expose> and whats true now.
[22:05] <Mr_Pan> Ser
[22:05] <NeoFax> Oh sorry, I am on sidux right now.
[22:05] <SeanTater> expose: stat /etc/cups will tell
[22:05] <werty> when i run firestarter after a while it closes by on his own why?
[22:05] <chx> SeanTater: i need to download a couple hundred files totalling gigabytes over a connection which for one reason or another can't put out more than 10-15kbyte/s on one thread so i need multithread, i have did it w/ feisty on another machine and it was doing as much as 180kbyte/s at one point
[22:05] <expose> umn, i do not have one SeanTater
[22:05] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: does it tell you anything and what type if drive is it (CD/DVDROM?)
[22:06] <lovre> i need to put 2 commands in a file and execute them when i want. How do i do this? The first file runs wpa_supplicant and the second runs dhclient. Do i put sudo in front of every line, or how? Some1 told me i need to put || on the end of the first line? some help please?
[22:06] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, because it's differnt in gutsy. i dont have /dev/hd..... but i have UID=438394394893 into my fstab .....
[22:06] <chx> SeanTater: but i can't figure out now. i am on gutsy now.
[22:06] <chx> Mr_Pan: i can help you with uuid
[22:06] <SeanTater> expose: I'd imagine cupsys/lp is best
[22:06] <venik> version command, anyone?
[22:06] <chx> Mr_Pan: took me some time but i figured out
[22:06] <werty> when i run firestarter after a while it closes by on his own why?
[22:06] <Mr_Pan> chx, really?
[22:07] <SeanTater> chx: if you need to doenload, kget can do multiple threads if you set that in the prefs
[22:07] <lovre> back
[22:07] <expose> Might someone please tell me the output of "ls -laR /etc/cups" of a properly installed gusty system? Please?
[22:07] <chx> SeanTater: kget. okay.
[22:07] <chx> Mr_Pan:  ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[22:07] <SeanTater> Mr_Pan: Then I'm afraid I might not be of any help
[22:07] <chx> Mr_Pan: that's lots of help :)
[22:07] <expose> estimations just are not helpfull when it comes to binary systems.
[22:07] <expose> s/binary/boolean/
[22:08] <Mr_Pan> chx, ok write it
[22:08] <Mr_Pan> SeanTater, thank u
[22:08] <chx> Mr_Pan: also , blkid
[22:08] <chx> Mr_Pan: and vol_id
[22:09] <Mr_Pan> ok
[22:09] <chx> Mr_Pan: the latter i think requires sudo
[22:09] <Mr_Pan> vol_id = no device
[22:09] <chx> Mr_Pan: these are the utilities and places that help you finding the uuid of a disk and so on
[22:09] <haffi> Hi, how do I modify settings for HAL when mounting an external NTFS hard drive?
[22:09] <chx> Mr_Pan: yes you need to give both blkid and vol_id a traditional device likde /dev/sda7
[22:10] <Mr_Pan> chx, ok i have uuid of my disk i have a sata disk with nfts filesystem :)
[22:10] <Mr_Pan> chx, ok my sata disk is sda1
[22:11] <Mr_Pan> chx, i can format my sata disk into ext3  or ext3 filesystem  ?
[22:11] <chx> next question, this shoudl be downright trivial, when i insert a dvd disk , a usb stick etc i get a prompt of what to do w/ it and if i click it gets mounted . a) i do not need that prompt thanks b) just mount it please.
[22:11] <chx> Mr_Pan: sure. or ntfs-3g
[22:11] <Mr_Pan> chx, yes
[22:12] <Doctor_Nick> oh fuck
[22:12] <Doctor_Nick> i gotta get the new ati driver
[22:12] <NeoFax> expose: U only get the error postinst when u do sudo apt-get install cupsys?
[22:13] <stdin> !language | Doctor_Nick
[22:13] <ubotu> Doctor_Nick: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[22:13] <expose> NeoFax: sure
[22:13] <Cugel> I recommend Envy to get new drivers.
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> NO
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> !envy
[22:13] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[22:13] <bjwebb> okay this is freaky
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> do not use envy
[22:14] <bjwebb> all my windows are moving steadily up
[22:14] <bjwebb> wtf
[22:14] <Cugel> Why not.
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> read ^
[22:14] <bjwebb> help
[22:14] <Cugel> Yeah, that text is wrong.
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> there's already a restricted driver manager in place in kubuntu, and the drivers are in the repos
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Cugel: YOU tell the devs that
[22:14] <bjwebb> my stuffs slowly dissapearing
[22:14] <Doctor_Nick> Daisuke_Ido: really really outdated drivers, yeah
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> envy is neither supported nor recommended here
[22:14] <sub[t]rnl> now you can create an icon pointing to your file from the desktop
[22:14] <Cugel> Hey I'm trying to help people here.
[22:14] <bjwebb> wtfwtfwtffff
[22:14] <sub[t]rnl> miss
[22:14] <stdin> Cugel: the text is fine, it can and does break (some) systems and it is NOT supported
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> Cugel: you aren't.
[22:14] <Doctor_Nick> the ones without the crucial fixes for aiglx
[22:15] <Daisuke_Ido> so wait
[22:15] <Doctor_Nick> Daisuke_Ido: 6 months for the next ubuntu release?
[22:15] <Cugel> Still.
[22:15] <Daisuke_Ido> drivers will be updated before then
[22:15] <Doctor_Nick> because that seems like the only time that the drivers are ever updated
[22:16] <Daisuke_Ido> and if you have to wait until a release for new drivers, you should have brand friggin new ones, 7.10 was released less than a week ago!
[22:16] <NeoFax> If so, do sudo cat /var/lib/dpkg/status and look for cupsys.  It should have an error.  Also, u may have a directory updates that has all of the deb unpackaged and u can possibly move that to /etc/cups
[22:17] <chx> next question, this shoudl be downright trivial, when i insert a dvd disk , a usb stick etc i get a prompt of what to do w/ it and if i click it gets mounted . a) i do not need that prompt thanks b) just mount it please.
[22:17] <Doctor_Nick> Daisuke_Ido: the drivers in the repo now are 5 revisions old
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> take that up with the maintainer
[22:18] <Thylio> Who do i see other windows computers in my LAN? Want to get some files from my other comp.
[22:18] <haffi> When I plug in a USB hard drive (NTFS) and there's no line in /etc/fstab for that drive, how do I modify the settings for the drive (driver, locale, etc)?
[22:18] <Lars_G> Hi all
[22:18] <Doctor_Nick> who's the mainatiner then?
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> if you want to break your system, go for it, but don't bring envy in here
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> read the info on the package
[22:18] <MurielGodoi>  Hi, any1 knows how to install HP ExpressCard Analog TV Tuner (lsusb output => 1164:0601 YUAN High-Tech Development Co., Ltd)
[22:18] <usser> hello
[22:18] <Daisuke_Ido> you could fine the version info fine
[22:19] <Daisuke_Ido> find*
[22:19] <Lars_G> Seeying kubuntu in general seems a little less polished. would it be better to install ubuntu and then the kde packages? somehow better?
[22:19] <usser> for some reason floppy icon doesnt appear in media:/ did anyone have similar issues
[22:19] <NeoFax> Daisuke_Ido: Cugel:  Why not make ur own deb using the debian way of updating drivers.  Google it
[22:19] <NickPresta> Hey Lars_G
[22:19] <Lars_G> hey NickPresta
[22:19] <NickPresta> remember that direct rendering problem we had last week?
[22:19] <sinusoidale> ciao
[22:19] <Lars_G> NickPresta: Well, on my side I deactivated Xgl to "solve" it
[22:19] <Daisuke_Ido> NeoFax: i'm just saying don't use envy, i don't care what else...
[22:19] <Cugel> Kubuntu looks polished to me.
[22:20] <Thylio> Who do i see other windows computers in my LAN? Want to get some files from my other comp.
[22:20] <Lars_G> NickPresta: did you find your own solution?
[22:20] <NickPresta> Lars_G, since the nvidia drivers were just one of my problems, I did a fresh install and everything seems to work, even when I install all the same packages I had before. Perhaps a configuration got mucked up somewhere. *shrugs*
[22:20] <Lars_G> NickPresta: Ah well I'm about to backup to do a fresh install myself
[22:20] <Cugel> Anyway, Envy did an excellent job for me. But I agree the 'official' way may be more secure.
[22:20] <Lars_G> NickPresta: I'm too tired with many small nags that I hope to iron out that way
[22:21] <Vermux> what is finderg.com?
[22:21] <NickPresta> Lars_G, heh. I only had ~60GB of stuff to backup so I didn't have to wait long to transfer my did via rsync to network attached storage.
[22:21] <Lars_G> Vermux: a web site?
[22:21] <NickPresta> s/did/data
[22:21] <chx> it's apparently somethign with HAL
[22:21] <chx> but i am unsure what/how
[22:21] <NeoFax> Thylio: Check out samba and smb4k
[22:21] <Lars_G> NickPresta: Yeah I have about the samme ammount, and the dest drive doesn't has rsync... ah well
[22:22] <Thylio> NeoFax: will do. Are thei in the package thing
[22:23] <ForeverZero> I hate sound
[22:23] <NeoFax> Thylio: Yes.  I would suggest going to samba.org to read about configuring it.
[22:23] <ForeverZero> I ran alsaconf that I found online, and it ended with a good result, uhm
[22:23] <Vermux> Lars_G: it was set as my homepage without my authorization
[22:24] <Thylio> NeoFax: Okay, thx
[22:24] <NeoFax> ForeverZero: What card u have?
[22:28] <Flegma> kaffeine doesnt start.i fails with sigsegv... i have this problem since I have started direct rendering....can somebody help me?? i didnt find anything in google....
[22:28] <jhutchins_x> Actually, the best way to learn to configure samba is to use swat with the linked documentation.  Instead of just a help file, help buttons for each function  link to the relevant section of the full docs.
[22:28] <ForeverZero> That's just the thing, I don't know!
[22:28] <Vermux> how do I play wmv with xine?
[22:29] <Lars_G> NickPresta: not so bad. only 55Gb to backup over ethernet
[22:29] <bjwebb> is there anyway to stop app (eg games) grabbing mouse?
[22:29] <ForeverZero> I see 'unclassified device' when I use lspci.
[22:29] <jhutchins_x> Several distros have broken one part of samba or another in their latest release.
[22:29] <ardchoille> !!w32codecs | Vermux
[22:29] <ubotu> Vermux: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[22:29] <ForeverZero> Neofax I've even tried physically searching for it, but I don't exactly know what it looks like.
[22:30] <rixxon> Is there any MSN client with support for direct file transfers?
[22:31] <rixxon> For Linux systems, obviously
[22:31] <Thylio> rixxon: aMSN sould work fine
[22:31] <x_link> Hi all Kubuntu-users =)
[22:31] <rixxon> Thylio: thanks
[22:31] <x_link> How can I get KDE 3.5.8 for my Kubuntu Gutsy?
[22:32] <ardchoille> x_link: you already have 3.5.8 in Gutsy
[22:33] <chx> So. I think what I want is in Storage Media notifications. but i can't figure out how to get my stuff to automount ( andresj?)
[22:33] <NeoFax> ForeverZero: Is it on the mobo or a pci card?
[22:33] <sayers> Where is the patch for kopete again?
[22:33] <lovre> there are many many commented lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, commented out during installation because i didnt have internet connection at that time. Is it safe to uncomment those lines?
[22:33] <x_link> ardchoille: I don't have it.
[22:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> is superkaramba the only program with widget
[22:34] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> s
[22:34] <x_link> ardchoille: I upgraded to Gutsy for like 11-12 days ago.
[22:34] <Vermux> ardchoille: \I have no idea how to install these packages :http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/feisty-seveas/all/
[22:34] <MilesG> does anyone have bluetooth enabled and has an intel chipset?
[22:34] <ardchoille> x_link: in konversation, click Help > About KDE
[22:34] <x_link> I have done sudo aptitude update/safe-upgrade/dist-upgrade everyday to be totaly upgraded for the final Gutsy release.
[22:34] <ForeverZero> It's on my motherboard
[22:34] <x_link> But I still don't have it.
[22:34] <x_link> ardchoille: I don't use Konversation, but I just did what you asked me to do.
[22:35] <NeoFax> AT0M1CB0MB3R: On KDE yes
[22:35] <sephy_> hi guys
[22:35] <sephy_> does anyone know where I can get an old computer for free?
[22:35] <trappist> is there a compiz-fusion repo for gutsy that stays up to date?
[22:36] <sephy_> Doing a project for College in the UK
[22:36] <NeoFax> Vermux: Go to seveas website, get the deb http://seveas.ubuntu.nl... line and copy it.  Then do sudo echo (paste the line here) /etc/apt/sources.list.  Then follow seveas website to add his gpg file to your apt keyring
[22:36] <Flegma> kaffeine doesnt start.i fails with sigsegv... i have this problem since I have started direct rendering....can somebody help me?? i didnt find anything in google....
[22:37] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> NeoFax: what then?
[22:37] <NeoFax> sephy_: Normally universities have a place where u can buy for cheap older computers.  If u live by one try there
[22:37] <lovre> can i uncomment lines that have this message in /etc/apt/sources.list? (Line commented out by installer because it failed to verifyž)
[22:38] <ardchoille> NeoFax: You mean:  echo (paste the line here) | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:38] <NeoFax> AT0M1CB0MB3R: gdesklets is a widget program for GNOME.  Plasma for KDE4
[22:38] <NeoFax> ardchoille: Thanks!
[22:38] <ardchoille> yw
[22:38] <lovre> ardchoille: can i uncomment lines commented by installation in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[22:38] <NeoFax> lovre: Yes
[22:38] <ardchoille> lovre: I did, and it works fine
[22:38] <x_link> ardchoille: It says "K Dekstop Environment. RElease 3.5.7"
[22:39] <lovre> thanx both of you
[22:39] <ardchoille> x_link: Then open a terminal and type:  lsb_release -a   (I'll bet you're still on Feisty)
[22:39] <NeoFax> x_link: Do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:39] <x_link> NeoFax: I do that every day.
[22:39] <x_link> Ohhh... I haven't restarteed X =)
[22:39] <NeoFax> x_link: Make sure ur /etc/apt/sources.list points to gutsy though
[22:39] <x_link> Maybe that's why.
[22:39] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> NeoFax: im not trying kde4 yet
[22:40] <x_link> NeoFax: It does.
[22:40] <x_link> I will restart X now and see.
[22:40] <ardchoille> x_link: That won't help
[22:40] <x_link> ardchoille: Okey.
[22:40] <ardchoille> x_link: Then open a terminal and type:  lsb_release -a   (I'll bet you're still on Feisty)
[22:41] <Vermux> NeoFax: what is deb line? where is it?
[22:41] <x_link> Then I don't know what to do.
[22:41] <ardchoille> x_link: Gutsy ships with kde 3.5.8, Feisty has 3.5.7
[22:42] <NeoFax> Vermux: On seveas website at the top it shows the actual line u need in ur /etc/apt/sources.list file.  it normally starts like deb http://seveas.ubuntu... or some such. Copy this whole line.  That is what I mean by deb line
[22:43] <lovre> ppl, i get this when exiting dolphin: http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8793/snapshot1zb0.png
[22:43] <galathal1on> what program do i use for my ipod?
[22:43] <x_link> ardchoille: Why shouldn't it help if I restarted X?
[22:43] <NeoFax> ardchoille: If he did a dist-upgrade and never rebooted, he would still be on feisty until he reboots or restarts X
[22:43] <trappist> is there no lowlatency kernel package for gutsy?
[22:43] <x_link> If I upgrade from KDE 3.5.7 to KDE 3.5.8 without restarting X it won't change to KDE 3.5.8
[22:44] <x_link> I just restarted X and it did help =)
[22:44] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> how do i uninstall wine?
[22:44] <ardchoille> x_link: you can restart kdm or reboot
[22:44] <NeoFax> lovre: do df and see if ur /home directory is full
[22:44] <x_link> ardchoille: Now it says KDE 3.5.8 =)
[22:44] <Dekans> trappist: i see a real time kernel
[22:44] <NeoFax> AT0M1CB0MB3R: sudo apt-get remove wine
[22:44] <Dekans> but not any lowlatency
[22:44] <ardchoille> x_link: ok
[22:45] <ardchoille> x_link: You must not have restarted kde snce upgrading
[22:45] <trappist> Dekans: there used to be a lowlatency one in universe.  realtime isn't exactly what I was looking for :)
[22:45] <x_link> ardchoille: I installed Gutsy before the release, so maybe when I upgraded KDE 3.5.8 wasn't there.
[22:45] <lovre> NeoFax: nothing is full, i just formatted my 320Gb disc and installed kubuntu, nothing on the disk yet
[22:45] <x_link> ardchoille: Yeah, maybe not =)
[22:45] <x_link> ardchoille: Thanks alot for your help.
[22:45] <NeoFax> lovre: What is the permissions on that directory?
[22:45] <x_link> ardchoille: Is KDe 3.5.8 "faster" than KDE 3.5.7?
[22:45] <x_link> I don't understand the difference between KDE 3.5.7 and KDE 3.5.8.
[22:46] <NeoFax> I don't think it is.
[22:46] <ardchoille> lovre: Check the permissions on that file/directory
[22:46]  * artheart sips a coffee
[22:46] <lovre> NeoFax: its rw-r-r
[22:46] <ardchoille> x_link: some of the apps are faster
[22:46] <NeoFax> lovre: I meant user/group
[22:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[22:46] <x_link> ardchoille: Alright, cool =)
[22:46] <genii> Ah, better
[22:46] <ardchoille> genii: :)
[22:47] <x_link> I really want to try KDE 4.0 =) That would be awesome
[22:47] <lovre> NeoFax: how do i check that?
[22:47] <ardchoille> lovre: ls -lha /path/file
[22:47] <NeoFax> x_link: See if jridell still has his extra apt repos available.  He used to do stuff like this
[22:47] <ardchoille> x_link: From what I hear, kde4 isn't really usable yet
[22:48] <serge> Meh
[22:48] <lovre> NeoFax: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[22:48] <serge> I got discd
[22:48] <NeoFax> lovre: That is why.  It should be lovre:lovre instead
[22:48] <x_link> NeoFax: What kind of stuff?
[22:48] <lovre> NeoFax: how do i fix it
[22:48] <x_link> ardchoille: I mean when it comes out.
[22:49] <x_link> Shouldn't that be pretty soon?
[22:49] <x_link> Like 2-3 months or so?
[22:49] <NeoFax> x_link: He used to have an up to date amarok repo and an up to date KDE repo
[22:49] <ardchoille> x_link: More like a year
[22:49] <x_link> NeoFax: Ohh okey.
[22:49] <x_link> NeoFax: He doesn't seem to be here right now.
[22:49] <x_link> ardchoille: Ahh okey =/
[22:50] <NeoFax> lovre: sudo chown -R lovre:lovre ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin
[22:50] <x_link> I didn't like Dolphin in Gutys though.
[22:50] <x_link> When I highlighted a .jpg-file with my mousecursor in Konqueror it showed a viewport of the image, I like that.
[22:51] <NeoFax> I don't like dolphin for some things.  It doesn't have the ability to show file types.  I like to sort by this some times
[22:51] <x_link> But Dolphin doesn't.
[22:51] <x_link> There is one thing I would REALLY want in Konqueror
[22:51] <NeoFax> krusader is nice if it didn't crash so much
[22:51] <x_link> I will show a picture so I can explain, my english sucks.
[22:54] <lovre> NeoFax: this is the problem. i set it to lovre:lovre, but when i open an location as root, it resets to root:root by itself.. Why is this??
[22:54] <NeoFax> lovre: How r u opening it as root?
[22:55] <NeoFax> Do u do kdesu d3lphin? or what?
[22:55] <lovre> NeoFax: i click on a 'Open as root' button inside the dolphin.,
[22:55] <lovre> NeoFax: its on the right in the dolphin window
[22:55] <NeoFax> So u open it as a normal user, then u click on a file and say to open as root?
[22:56] <lovre> no. I open a location, not the file. Just a location, in a new dolphin window, as root
[22:56] <lovre> NeoFax: when im in any location, and NOT selected any files, i click to open the same window, at the same location, as root
[22:57] <lovre> NeoFax: and then it messes it up again
[22:57] <haffi> How can I let HAL (automount) honor the settings in /etc/fstab?
[22:57] <NeoFax> OK, try starting dolphin with kdesu d3lphin or continue to chown the directory.  Also, I would submit a bug on the d3lphin bug website.
[22:57] <x_link> NeoFax: Can I show you something? It's a picture of my konqueror, it's something I want to explain, but my english isn't that good so it's easier for me if I show a picture as well.
[22:57] <x_link> Is that okey?
[22:57] <NeoFax> x_link: That is fine
[22:57] <x_link> http://www.speedyshare.com/562597157.html
[22:57] <sdlnxgk> anyone around???
[22:58] <sdlnxgk> I have a really big problem
[22:58] <lovre> NeoFax: ok, thank you for your time
[22:58] <Delphinus> sdlnxgk: just ask
[22:58] <x_link> NeoFax: You will maybe need to mouseclick on the picture so it will be a bit better.
[22:58] <sdlnxgk> I was messing around in the CLI and accidently deleted /etc
[22:58] <x_link> NeoFax: Tell me when you have the picture up.
[22:58] <sdlnxgk> how can I find /etc in trash to restore it
[22:58] <sdlnxgk> I can't log in as root
[22:59] <NeoFax> x_link: OK
[22:59] <x_link> Nice, now I will tell you.
[22:59] <Delphinus> sdlnxgk: whoops, if you deleted it from CLI there is no trash
[22:59] <NeoFax> sdlnxgk: How did u delete it?
[22:59] <x_link> That is some wallpapers. Linux#1.jpg Linux#2.jpg etc.
[22:59] <x_link> But why are they sorted like that?
[23:00] <NeoFax> Numbers come before a period in UNIX
[23:00] <sdlnxgk> NeoFax: I was deleting something in the /etc file and left a space with out a / and whoops :(
[23:00] <x_link> It starts with Linux#10.jpg -> Linux#19.jpg then Linux#20.jpg -> Linux#29.jpg etc
[23:00] <x_link> Why isn't it like this
[23:00] <NeoFax> so, 1.jpg comes after 10.jpg
[23:00] <x_link> Linux#1.jpg
[23:00] <x_link> Linux#2.jpg
[23:00] <x_link> etc.
[23:00] <x_link> Okej.
[23:00] <x_link> Can I change this?
[23:00] <sdlnxgk> so I guess I have to reinstall or use live cd to recover files then reinstall
[23:00] <NeoFax> sdlnxgk: By what rm -rf /etc or how?
[23:01] <sdlnxgk> yes
[23:01] <sdlnxgk> NeoFax: yup that is what I did
[23:01] <NeoFax> Ur screwed.  CLI does not have a trash bin
[23:01] <sdlnxgk> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[23:01] <x_link> NeoFax: Is that possible somehow?
[23:01] <NeoFax> Do u have a backup?
[23:02] <sdlnxgk> no don't have a back up of the /etc file
[23:02] <NeoFax> x_link: I think there is a way to sort windows style, let me google and see
[23:02] <sdlnxgk> have my files backed up but that is about it
[23:02] <NeoFax> sdlnxgk: Live and learn.  Sorry!
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not /etc you gotta worry about
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> wait
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> you did that...  not rm -rf / etc
[23:02] <sdlnxgk> NeoFax: I guess that is just a sign to upgrade  from fiesty fawn then ;)
[23:02] <x_link> NeoFax: Thanks alot!!
[23:03] <lerneaen_hydra> 'lo all, does anyone know of a way to make konqueror the default file manager instead of dolphin? a la pre 7.10 style?
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> !dolphin
[23:04] <ubotu> dolphin is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror → Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[23:04] <lerneaen_hydra> ah, right. thanks
[23:04] <Dragnslcr> It seems like I'm the only person that doesn't hate dolphin
[23:04] <lerneaen_hydra> no, probably not, seems a bit too much like gnome for my taste
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> I barely ever used Konqueror anyway
[23:05] <x_link> NeoFax: Just write my nickname if you find anything, so that I can see that you are taling to me.
[23:05] <NeoFax> x_link: Check out this website:  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Konqueror+"natural"+file+sorting+(idea)?content=40659&PHPSESSID=ca03e058b90
[23:06] <NeoFax> It seems it can't be done currently
[23:06] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: There shouldn't ever be a need to delete anything from /etc
[23:07] <x_link> NeoFax: Okey, thanks ALOT anyway.
[23:07] <x_link> NeoFax: I really appreicate your help
[23:07] <x_link> Now I will watch a movie, take care!
[23:07] <lerneaen_hydra> anyone happen to know what controls what appears in 'system:/media'?
[23:07] <ardchoille> sdlnxgk: And you shouldn't be logging in as root anyway, use sudo.
[23:08] <ardchoille> lerneaen_hydra: Mounted devices?
[23:09] <lerneaen_hydra> ardchoille, no, it's not only mounted devices
[23:09] <ardchoille> lerneaen_hydra: What else is there?
[23:09] <lerneaen_hydra> it seems that devices that were mounted on installation appear there, however a disk I mounted post installation doesn't appear there (though it's visible in /media/ )
[23:09] <Vermux> NeoFax: didnt find that line
[23:09] <NeoFax> lerneaen_hydra: That is a pseudo filesystem.  Try googling it as it may have a flat text file u can mess with to add to it.
[23:10] <lerneaen_hydra> NeoFax, oh, right, I see
[23:10] <NeoFax> Kind like fuse.
[23:11] <NeoFax> Anyone here know how to get an ATI/Firefly usb remote to work?
[23:15] <miles_> hello
[23:16] <MilesG> i just got a new driver from intel for my integrated graphics...ITS SO NICE TO HAVE 1280 x 800 RES!
[23:16] <MilesG> everything is small
[23:18] <MilesG> !bluez
[23:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluez - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:18] <MilesG> !bluetooth
[23:18] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[23:20] <MilesG> people just keep leaving
[23:21] <edenbeast> hello everyone, does anyboy
[23:21] <MilesG> anybody ........
[23:21] <MilesG>  ?
[23:21] <edenbeast> oops :-/ does anybody know wether moto4lin is still supported and wether it works with a motorola v3 razr phone on kubuntu? :-)
[23:21] <mneptok> !info moto4lin
[23:21] <ubotu> moto4lin: file manager and seem editor for Motorola phones (like C380/C650). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3+svn20060819-1 (gutsy), package size 147 kB, installed size 484 kB
[23:21] <MilesG> edenbeast: hey im trying to work with my razr and kubuntu also
[23:22] <vzduch> MilesG: (1) in the US it's dinnertime, (2) in Europe it's bedtime, (3) in general, Kubuntu Gutsy sounds like a bit problem-stricken, according to recent reviews ;)
[23:22] <mneptok> seems the package still exists
[23:22] <edenbeast> really? can you put mp3 ringtones on it?
[23:22] <MilesG> edenbeast: i dont know..i found this article
[23:22] <Delphinus> and in the pacific its lunchtime :)
[23:22] <MilesG> http://veinhammer.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/motorola-razr-ubuntu-linux/
[23:22] <MilesG> edenbeast: do you have bluetooth working?
[23:22] <edenbeast> no I don't have BT :-/
[23:23] <edenbeast> but it supposedly can connect via usb
[23:23] <MilesG> o..you are trying to connect the razr via the usb, i see
[23:23]  * MilesG trying to get bluetooth working
[23:23] <edenbeast> no not even :-)
[23:24] <edenbeast> I'm in the market for a new phone and this one will be sold in a week for only about 120€ so I was wondering how well it would work under linux
[23:24] <MilesG> o, haha
[23:24] <MilesG> yea i hate the razr, but its what i got
[23:25] <edenbeast> I'm cheap when it comes to cellphones, they have to phone and last as long as possible (preferably 3+ years ;P-
[23:25] <edenbeast> it's a bad phone?
[23:25] <MilesG> its slow
[23:25] <MilesG> and a lot of people have it here in the states
[23:25] <edenbeast> slow?
[23:25] <edenbeast> sure it's not your particular dialect? ;-)
[23:25] <MilesG> well...
[23:26] <edenbeast> sorry ;-)
[23:26] <mneptok> doesn't the Razr just present itself as USB mass storage?
[23:26] <MilesG> when i turn on the camera, it usually takes a couple seconds
[23:26] <edenbeast> oh it has a camera? nice
[23:26] <MilesG> what do you mean nice? camera is pretty much standard today
[23:26] <MilesG> where are you from edenbeast?
[23:26] <edenbeast> hehe you don't want to know what kind of phone I use :P
[23:27] <edenbeast> belgium
[23:27] <MilesG> see, i thought Europe and Asia were way ahead of the states in the cell game
[23:27] <edenbeast> hmm I somehow doubt that
[23:27] <MilesG> but anyways, that article i sent you should be what you need
[23:28] <edenbeast> you guys have much more disposable income than we do in general but like I said I'm cheap when it comes to being annoyed by my boss when at home ;-)
[23:28] <MilesG> i just finished looking through it
[23:28] <BonesolTeraDyne> MilesG: Just Asia, IIRC.
[23:28] <MilesG> IIRC?
[23:28] <edenbeast> If I Recall Correctly
[23:28] <MilesG> o
[23:28] <BonesolTeraDyne> If I recall correctly
[23:28] <BonesolTeraDyne> or If I remember correctly, either one
[23:28] <edenbeast> as long as it phones I'm game, I just like the mp3 ringtones to annoy other people :P
[23:29]  * MilesG keeps the razr on vibrate
[23:29] <NeoFax> Asia and europe are way ahead when it comes to cell phones.
[23:29] <edenbeast> but connecting to it via usb works?
[23:29] <edenbeast> we don't even have the iphone :p
[23:30] <NeoFax> The companies there don't price gouge their clients as much.
[23:30] <edenbeast> ?
[23:30] <NeoFax> The iphone is a overhyped piece of sh!t
[23:30] <edenbeast> how much is pricegouging?
[23:30] <BonesolTeraDyne> edenbeast: Not having the iPhone is a bad thing? I never knew that.
[23:30] <edenbeast> thing with the EU is it's different in every country
[23:31]  * MilesG could care less for the iPhone
[23:31] <NeoFax> Well, the iphone costs $200 to build, but they charged u $600 plus a two year contract
[23:31] <MilesG> n95 > iphone
[23:31] <edenbeast> some countries get you free phones with a cell contract, others don't
[23:31] <NeoFax> Hell my HTC S710 is better than the iphone
[23:31] <MilesG> NeoFax: anything Apple sells cost $x to make and they sell it for $3x
[23:31] <edenbeast> usually because in a lot of countries it was illegal to lock the phone to a distributor and such
[23:31] <NeoFax> Just wished I would have waited for gps on board though
[23:32] <NeoFax> MilesG: Not true.  The Mini is pretty cost effective
[23:32] <vzduch> MilesG: that's market economy, everybody does that
[23:32] <Linusx> Can somebody talk to me about how to download stuff correctly?  Tried to download Frostwire: am getting errors "saving file would result in corruption" ... some similar error.
[23:32] <edenbeast> I have an ipod shuffle :-/
[23:32] <MilesG> Apple is the definition of price discretion
[23:32] <edenbeast> because it charges with usb :P
[23:32] <vzduch> you produce at the lowest possible price and sell at the highest price ppl are willing to pay
[23:32] <NeoFax> When I lived in Germany, the phone company made u pay a set amount of money to talk for as long as u wanted whenever u wanted.
[23:33] <BonesolTeraDyne> edenbeast: and I have a 1st Gen Black Nano. >_>;
[23:33] <edenbeast> I hate it because of the no gapless playback though but it integrates nicely with amarok, which is great again
[23:33] <NeoFax> U pay exorbitant fees for that here in the US. On top of roaming and such.
[23:33] <vzduch> NeoFax: that's a relatively new development on the German market
[23:33] <edenbeast> neofax that's very rare
[23:33] <edenbeast> most countries do not have that
[23:33] <stdin> Linusx: right-click > save link as
[23:33] <MilesG> i have never roamed
[23:33] <morfey> привет
[23:33] <stdin> !ru | morfey
[23:33] <edenbeast> here in .be it's only recently that we pay per second
[23:33] <ubotu> morfey: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[23:34] <NeoFax> I just left the middle east and they do cell contracts way better
[23:34] <morfey> ok
[23:34] <lovre> how can i read and write NTFS partition from linux? do i need to do anything or is it enabled by default?
[23:34] <edenbeast> it used to be we paid per minute for a certain time and only then per second, even when you only did like a 15sec call
[23:34] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | lovre
[23:34] <ubotu> lovre: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[23:34] <edenbeast> iovre I think your best bet would be fuse with ntfs-3g
[23:35] <NeoFax> But, germany had a really crazy landline phone system.
[23:35] <vzduch> edenbeast: in Germany most contracts/prepaid cards still have that.. first minute full, however short your call is, from the 2nd minute on exact to the second
[23:35] <edenbeast> it's like free local calls, we don't know that either
[23:36] <stdin> !ot | NeoFax, vzduch, edenbeast
[23:36] <vzduch> there's no free local calls here either
[23:36] <ubotu> NeoFax, vzduch, edenbeast: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:36] <edenbeast> I'm sorry
[23:36] <vzduch> stdin: Spielverderber :P  (sorry, I don't know the English word for that)
[23:37] <arkygeek> happy to report i am running iTunes 7.3 with wine in Kubuntu Gutsy... everything works.  even shared libraries, iTunes Store, purchased content, etc...
[23:37] <lovre> i cant run adept, it just runs hourglass and my cursor is bouncing the icon. but not opening
[23:37] <stdin> vzduch: something like "Killjoy", and my response is "tough"
[23:38] <edenbeast> Iovre could you run it from a commandline to see if it's showing any error messages maybe?
[23:38] <NeoFax> lovre: Open konsole and start adept from there to see what is erroring
[23:39] <MilesG> has anyone successfully configured bluetooth in kde?
[23:39] <MilesG> in here*
[23:39] <lovre> NeoFax: same error as with dolphin, a configuration file is not writable :( :(
[23:39] <lovre> NeoFax: 'Need root privileges'
[23:39] <Dragnslcr> MilesG- after a fair amount of effort, yeah
[23:39] <MilesG> Dragnslcr: do/did you have an intel chipset?
[23:39] <Dragnslcr> For the bluetooth adapter?
[23:40] <MilesG> yea
[23:40] <edenbeast> lovre: does it name the configuration file?
[23:40] <lovre> edenbeast: sec
[23:40] <lovre> edenbeast: Configuration file "/home/lovre/.kde/share/config/adept_managerrc" not writable
[23:40] <Dragnslcr> MilesG- the manufacturer is shown as Cambridge Silicon. Not sure if they use Intel stuff or not
[23:41] <edenbeast> lovre: and do you have that file? when you do ls -l /home/lovre/.kde/share/config/adept_managerrc  does it show you a file of any size or just 0 ?
[23:41] <MilesG> Dragnslcr: thanks
[23:41] <vzduch> edenbeast: if it weren't there, it could easily be created
[23:41] <NeoFax> lovre: I thinke adept needs to run as root like sudo adept-manager
[23:42] <edenbeast> vzduch: yes but it may be there and be root and 0 which is kind of weird? :-/
[23:42] <vzduch> and yes, pkg management is done as root, period.
[23:42] <edenbeast> NeoFax: isn't it configured via kdesu by default? :-|
[23:43] <lovre> edenbeast: there IS NO such location. When i come to config folder, there is no adept_managercc folder inside it
[23:43] <graelb> Hi, why would i be getting wrong fs-type errors when trying to mount a windows share over the network?
[23:43] <NeoFax> When u run it from the menu it does.  As the menu entry has kdesudo adept-manager or something like that
[23:43] <edenbeast> lovre weird could you do sudo adept in the konsole, like the others suggested?
[23:43] <NeoFax> adept_managerrc is a file not a directory
[23:43] <BonesolTeraDyne> NeoFax: "kdesu adept_manager" is the command it uses
[23:44] <secleinteer> hi, i installed the new ati 8.42.3 driver on kubuntu feisty with a radeon x300, and i'm getting a segfault now - any ideas what's going on?
[23:44] <stdin> lovre: try "kdesu adept_manager" (not sudo)
[23:44] <edenbeast> lovre sudo adept_manager, sorry
[23:44] <NeoFax> BonesolTeraDyne: I thought gutsy moved from kdesu to kdesudo as they were having a lot of problems with kdesu
[23:44] <edenbeast> stdin won't it work with sudo ?
[23:44] <stdin> edenbeast: you should never use sudo with GUI apps
[23:45] <edenbeast> I see, I didn't knew, why not? :-/
[23:45] <BonesolTeraDyne> NeoFax: I see "kdesu" installed, but no "kdesudo"
[23:45] <stdin> NeoFax: there are updated packages in gutsy-proposed
[23:45] <Linusx> stdin: 'Save As' offers this file name:  "frostwire-4.13.3.i586.deb"   Clicking save then says that it is a binary and saving it would result in a corrupt file.  No understanding something somewhere.
[23:45] <stdin> !kdesu | edenbeast
[23:45] <lovre> edenbeast: i get this error: "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 24 02:14:39 2007"
[23:45] <ubotu> edenbeast: In KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use « sudo <GUI application> »; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[23:45] <stdin> Linusx: click back first, then right-click on the link
[23:46] <stdin> lovre: try "sudo -K"
[23:46] <BonesolTeraDyne> NeoFax: Ah, nm. using grep, I found "kdesudo".
[23:46] <Linusx> How do ya 'right click' with a one button (optical) mouse?
[23:46] <sub[t]rnl> winrar
[23:46] <sub[t]rnl> miss
[23:46] <lovre> stdin: again this error: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Oct 24 02:14:39 2007
[23:47] <lovre> i dont understand, what does it mean timestamp too far in the future
[23:47] <stdin> lovre: did you do "sudo -K" or "sudo -k" ?
[23:47] <biovore> the files in the tarball have time stamps that are newer then your current system time..
[23:47] <NeoFax> lovre: It means the file was created in the future
[23:47] <biovore> try typing date at the prompt..
[23:48] <stdin> biovore: it's a sudo error, not tar
[23:48] <lovre> stdin: none works
[23:48] <stdin> lovre: then the only sure way to fix is, dare I say it, reboot
[23:48] <lovre> NeoFax: it is true that i fixed the clock that was showing wrong time
[23:48] <lovre> stdin: ok ill reboot, brb
[23:48] <BonesolTeraDyne> stdin: So that it'll sync the clock?
[23:49] <NeoFax> CYA l8r
[23:49] <werty> hi to the room
[23:49] <BonesolTeraDyne> nye NeoFax
[23:49] <BonesolTeraDyne> bye*
[23:49] <stdin> BonesolTeraDyne: no, the location of the stamp file is on a virtual filesystem (only exists in memory), so a reboot clears all the files out of it
[23:50] <BonesolTeraDyne> stdin: Ah, ok.
[23:50] <werty> i want to install wow but im not sure if i have to copy all the files or just the first cd...?
[23:50] <stdin> werty: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft
[23:53] <werty> so for kubuntu i m following this link... but what exacly means when it says :"...and copy all of the files from the first CD and all but the Installer.exe from..."
[23:53] <Linusx> stdin: How do ya 'right click' with a one button (optical) mouse?  (thought I'd find that in the 'Mouse' control panel but have not so far)
[23:54] <stdin> Linusx: I have no clue, you can always press tab until the link is highlighted and then press the menu key (if you have that)
[23:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> what program do i need to rip dvds i have like a bagillion dvds i want to rip
[23:54] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> and i want to watch them on my computer
[23:54] <edenbeast> ah so it can change .Xauthority ownership.. that can be annoying indeed. I didn't knew that, thx stdin
[23:54] <stdin> !dvd
[23:54] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:55] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> stdin: not pwaying a dvd ripping it
[23:55] <werty> does it mean all except the file installer.exe  ?
[23:55] <edenbeast> I've been lucky so far then :-s
[23:55] <stdin> AT0M1CB0MB3R: read the last line......
[23:57] <AT0M1CB0MB3R> stdin: oppsies
[23:58] <ubuntu> I am new to linux, how do install Adobe flashplayer into firefox?
[23:59] <vzduch> !flash | ubuntu
[23:59] <ubotu> ubuntu: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash