LeRoutierbut couldn't test it as Ubufox uses Ubuntu's apt db to look for such markers in control files00:00
LeRoutierand my packages aren't in for now00:00
LeRoutierhum, 14x14 pixels, I guess we'll have to ask our artist to make some custom icons for launchpad00:05
LeRoutiernevermind, got the original svgs00:05
LeRoutierddaa, https://edge.launchpad.net/swfdec/ now fully branded, driver & bug contacts filled. All links & descriptions fixed. Thanks for the help00:19
ddaaBTW, if you ever stop working on swfdec, I think the considerate thing woud be to give it back to registry.00:20
ddaaMaybe with a launchpad-users message.00:21
LeRoutierno problem, I won't let it rote00:21
ddaaNo doubt, just spreading a meme.00:21
LeRoutieranyway, it's 1:30AM here, time to sleep a bit, somethings tells me I'll have to wake up to go to work in a few hours00:22
LeRoutierbye everyone00:22
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andrew____!seen mrevell03:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen mrevell - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:02
andrew____what's matthew revell's nick?03:03
andrew____ubotu: time?03:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about time? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:04
thumperandrew____: you have his nick right "mrevell"03:16
thumperandrew____: he runs on UK time03:16
andrew____oh right, i guess he's sleeping now. thanks03:17
corevettehow do you print your ssh keys for launchpad06:23
mptcorevette, on your person page, click on where it says "1 SSH key(s)"06:27
pooliehello mpt06:40
mpthi poolie06:46
* thumper settles down and waits for the reviewer meeting with a glass of pinot gris06:56
lifelessoh damn06:56
lifelessI knew I wasn't prepped for something06:56
lifelessspiv: btw, reviewer meeting06:56
lifelessthumper: care to run it today? I'm making commit 25% faster06:57
thumperlifeless: I'm pinot gris'ed06:57
thumpernot sure I could run out of a paper bag today06:57
* thumper looks at spiv06:57
thumperjamesh: care to run it today?06:57
lifelessspiv just ran out to get lunch06:57
thumperlunch at 5pm?06:58
thumper== Asiapac reviewer meeting ==07:00
* thumper has taken the liberty of renaming it07:00
thumper== Agenda ==07:00
thumper * Roll call07:00
thumper * Next meeting07:00
thumper * Action items07:00
thumper * Queue status07:00
thumper * The 'needs mentoring' flag07:00
thumper * Mentoring update07:00
thumper* Roll call07:00
thumperBjornT: ping07:00
thumperjamesh: ping07:00
thumperspiv: ping07:00
thumperjml is on holiday07:01
thumperjtv isn't around for some reason07:01
lifelessI claim my fingers are here.07:01
thumperand lifeless07:01
thumperspiv is out to get lunch07:01
thumperso he'll have to catch up07:01
thumper* Next meeting07:01
thumpermany of us will be in Boston07:01
thumperjml will be around07:02
thumperbut who else07:02
lifelessisn't jml on leave?07:02
thumpernow he is07:02
thumperbut not next Tuesday07:02
thumperlifeless: are you at UDS?07:02
thumperspiv will be around I guess07:02
thumperbut there isn't much point of a meeting with spiv and jml alone07:03
thumperso, next meeting the Tuesday after all hands?07:03
thumper * Action items07:03
thumperthere appears to be only one outstanding07:03
thumperabout jml talking to SteveA about the no param methods being properties on views07:04
thumpersince he isn't around, we'll skip this bit07:04
thumper * Queue status07:04
* thumper checks07:04
thumperI count 7 and 4 overdue07:04
thumper2 unallocated07:05
thumperand two of the overdue are my 1.1.11 branches07:05
thumperso no rush there07:05
thumperjtv has one overdue but he isn't around and I can't nag him07:05
thumperand other one is for .EU/US07:05
thumper* The 'needs mentoring' flag07:06
thumperthis seems to be hung over from last week07:06
thumperIIRC barry has a '*' to fix this07:06
thumperjamesh: what does the pending reviews script do with a merge-conditional* ?07:06
jameshI don't think it does anything with it yet.  I need to fix that07:07
thumpershall I action you to do this?07:07
thumper * Mentoring update07:07
thumperanyone mentoring?07:07
thumperjamesh: going ok?07:07
spivthumper: pong07:08
* spiv catches up07:08
* thumper has almost finished his glass07:08
jameshthere are a bunch I need to go over.07:08
thumperspiv: when you've caught up, how's the mentoring going?07:09
spivIt's going well.07:09
spivIt's going smoothly enough that I don't have any issues to raise :)07:10
thumper* [https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/151304 Bug 151304]; any takers?07:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151304 in launchpad "Pending-reviews script should email the launchpad reviewers list when a branch misses the SLA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15130407:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 151304 in launchpad "Pending-reviews script should email the launchpad reviewers list when a branch misses the SLA" [Undecided,New] 07:10
ubotuNew bug: #156107 in rosetta ""Plural Forms" section on language page is awkward" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15610707:10
* thumper will take that as a no for now07:11
thumper * sinzui: mpt asks what is the reason for no trailing whitespace? Is there really a problem with a line that only has whitespace (preserving the indentation of the previous block)?07:11
thumperpersonally I don't like it as I have it showing up red07:12
spivReally, I don't care much about this issue either way.07:13
mptThat was discussed at the previous reviewer meeting07:13
thumpermpt: .au or .us?07:13
mpterrrrr, .us I guess07:13
mptwhichever one barry was at07:13
thumpermpt: that was the other guys :)07:13
mptand the result was discussed on launchpad@07:13
thumperwe like to shove our oar in too07:13
mptoh, carry on then :-)07:14
thumpermpt: no comments from .au people though07:14
spivI don't really have much to add to the comments on the list.07:14
mptSo, what I suggested to sinzui before he brought it up07:14
mptis that those people with editors that highlight trailing whitespace tweak them to highlight trailing whitespace only on non-blank lines07:15
thumpermpt: noted07:15
lifelessmpt: there is a problem with changes on such lines07:15
lifelessand also, and this is worth noting, it affects sequence matching during diff07:15
lifelessthus affecting when conflicts appear07:16
mptRight, a line that is changed unnecessarily is bad regardless of what kind of change it is07:16
thumperlifeless: worth considering07:16
lifelessmpt: thats not what I said07:16
lifelessmpt: in fact an unchanged all whitespace line can be a problem.07:16
mptok, then I don't understand what you mean by "sequence matching"07:16
mptAre you saying that diff treats empty lines specially?07:17
lifelessmpt: no, that it doesn't07:17
thumperspaces are not empty07:17
lifelessso two visually the same lines that separate functions that are not the same will lead to a failure to match07:18
spivlifeless: are you saying that we'll get better/worse/different diffs and conflicts if we allow/disallow lines with just whitespace?  (cross out any that don't apply ;)07:18
mptI'm using "empty" to refer to a line that has nothing in it (except a LF/CR/whatever), and "blank" to refer to a line that has either nothing or only whitespace in it07:18
lifelessI haven't analysed it carefully enough, been up for > 13 hours now. But I think better if you enforce 'an empty line has length 1'07:18
lifelessthen 'a blank line must be empty' is the rule I would suggest/require.07:19
thumperor using mpt's words blank has length 107:19
thumper * mwhudson: should we insist on the summary->blank->description convention for test method's docstrings?07:19
spivlifeless: funny, my off-the-top-of-my-head guess would be the opposite.07:19
lifelessif this hasn't been mentioned on list it should be07:20
thumperI find PEP-8 sometimes too restrictive when trying to write test method docstrings07:20
lifelessI don't really like docstrings for tests07:20
jameshsome test runners produce horrid output if the test methods have docstrings07:21
lifelessI prefer comments. But thats me.07:21
spivjamesh: not ours, though.07:21
jameshe.g. the cscvs test runner07:21
lifelessjamesh: well, thats trivially tunable. Its a pyunit knob.07:21
thumperI'm happy with comments rather than docstrings07:21
BjornTi also provide comments for test methods. if docstrings are used, they should be properly formatted, though.07:21
spivI don't think a docstring's summary should be restricted to what fits on one line.07:21
lifelessI'm with BjornT 07:21
spiv(test method or not)07:21
thumperOK, to summaries, comment or docstring is fine, but if docstring, follow PEP-8?07:22
lifelessthat would be my vote.07:22
thumperor zed for you americans (zee)07:22
lifelesswhich btw, doesn't conflict with what spiv said.07:22
spivIf docstrings, follow the same docstring style we use everywhere else.07:23
BjornTthumper: well, you mean PEP-257, don't you?07:23
thumperlifeless: PEP-8 says docstring summary on one line doesn't it?07:23
thumperBjornT: perhaps07:23
lifelessthumper: it also says pragmatic over purity07:23
spivthumper: IIRC PEP-8 defers docstring style to PEP-25707:23
* thumper bows to the PEP masters07:23
thumperlifeless: I like that part of it07:24
spivI don't.  Summaries short be as short as they can be, but no shorter.07:24
thumper* any other business?07:24
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spivNo other business from me.07:24
thumperok, I'll get the minutes out tomorrow morning (I'm done)07:25
thumper== Meeting Over ==07:25
lifelessthanks thumper 07:25
spivthumper: thanks07:25
ubotuNew bug: #156117 in launchpad "PPA declares some packages published while they aren't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15611707:50
ubotuNew bug: #156118 in launchpad "Launchpad lists packages which are not available in a specific release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15611807:55
gnomefreakwhy does PPA compare md5sums of packages uploaded, example the reject mail makes it sound like its comparing md5sum of package~ppa1 and package~ppa2 (they are gonna be differnet)08:18
gnomefreakMD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive08:19
gnomefreakFiles specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.08:19
lifelessgnomefreak: you can't reuse a version you've already used08:31
gnomefreaki didnt08:31
gnomefreakppa1 and pp208:31
jameshmodified orig.tar.gz maybe?08:31
gnomefreakPPA should not compare them08:31
* jamesh is guessing08:32
gnomefreakjamesh: its a differnet tarball but same contents since they were made the same way08:32
lifelessshouldn't be uploading orig tarball anyway, unless its a new upstream release, and then it shouldn't already be in ubuntu.08:32
jameshbut you are uploading a different tarball with the same name?08:32
gnomefreakjamesh: yes until i find a way to get the upload without uploading tarball as it failed when i tried it a month ago or so08:33
jameshgnomefreak: how would you store both versions of the package in the same archive then?08:33
gnomefreakthey have the same contents they were made with same script08:33
gnomefreakjamesh: the tarball should get overwrote with new upload08:34
gnomefreakif you upload a new tarball08:34
jameshwouldn't that break the MD5 sums from the old .dsc then?08:34
gnomefreakwhy would it care about old .dsc since im uploading a new one08:35
gnomefreakonce again it should be overwritten08:35
gnomefreakhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/223970 from that output why would PPA give a damn about ppa1 at all08:36
gnomefreakit has no reason to compare the 2 releases08:36
jameshgnomefreak: why can't you use the old orig.tar.gz for the new package?08:37
jameshgnomefreak: it seems like a problem with your process08:37
gnomefreakjamesh: because it was borked08:37
jameshokay then.  Upload a different tarball with a different name08:37
gnomefreakppa1 failed to build 08:37
jameshgnomefreak: wouldn't that just require a different .diff.gz?08:38
lifelessgnomefreak: ppa's act like a normal archive.08:38
gnomefreakso your telling me ppa doesnt overwrite existing if you upload another tarball?08:38
lifelessgnomefreak: exactly.08:38
jameshgnomefreak: if you have 5 versions of a package in the archive based on the same pristine tarball, the pristine tarball is stored once08:39
gnomefreakwhy wouldnt it? in that case maybe have PPA check to see if tarball are same name and not push it with dput08:39
lifelessgnomefreak: dput only pushes it if you tell it too or it thinks its an initial upload.08:39
gnomefreakso tell me how to upload everything but tarball08:39
lifelessgnomefreak: #ubuntu-motu might be a better channel for this08:40
* jamesh is not sure why the .orig.tar.gz is changing on gnomefreak's machine08:40
gnomefreakjamesh: i had to remake it08:40
gnomefreakthe first one is borked thats why ppa1 failed to build08:40
jameshso it was a partial upload or something?08:41
gnomefreaki had to remake it and since this is going in official archives i cant change name of tarball08:41
gnomefreakthe first tarball was made incorrectly by rules file hence borked so i needed to upload new one.08:42
gnomefreakoh and dput doesnt seem to have a way to leave tarball out of push08:43
gnomefreakso by dput'ing the sources.changes is always gonna grab tarball sitting there08:43
gnomefreakLp admins still cant remove packages from PPA right?08:55
ubotuNew bug: #156144 in launchpad "login should be redirected from *.launchpad.net to launchpad.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15614409:25
sabdflmrevell: ping11:03
mrevellsabdfl: Hi11:03
sabdflgnomefreak: i think they can, or will shortly, be able to remove packages using an admin script on request11:03
sabdflmrevell: want to sync on the release message?11:03
mrevellsabdfl: Would you mind if we do that in an hour? Or are you not available then?11:05
sabdflmrevell: noon is fine11:05
mrevellsabdfl: Thanks.11:05
jordihey sabdfl :)11:25
sabdflhey, mailbomber :-)11:26
sabdflgave me a hell of a surprise there11:26
sabdfli liked the gentoo bits, particularly11:26
jordiI had great fun writing that up11:27
jordiI think I should post it in the planet11:27
mrevellsabdfl: My son has just fallen on his head and I have to take him to the hospital. I'm sorry but I'm unlikely to be back for midday. I'll ping you as soon as I'm back. I've mailed some quick ideas regarding what I tihnk we should cover in the announcement.11:29
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desertcYikes.  Sorry.11:29
sabdflmrevell-hospital: hope he's all ok.11:31
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ubotuNew bug: #156202 in rosetta "TextBoxes are aligned out of page in IE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15620212:55
ubotuNew bug: #156207 in launchpad "OOPS merging an already merged team" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15620713:15
ubotuNew bug: #156217 in launchpad "Timeout merging big teams" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15621713:31
gnomefreaksabdfl: ty13:42
gnomefreakdoes PPA support hardy packages?13:42
sabdflgnomefreak: it will, as soon as Hardy supports Hardy packages ;-)13:44
sabdflthere's a bootstrap process for a new release, currently under way13:44
gnomefreakcool ty13:44
sabdflas soon as Hardy is switched to being in Development, not Frozen, you should be able to upload PPA packages for it13:44
gnomefreakoh ok so PPA follows reg devel processes13:45
sabdflshould do, in any event, it's a bug if it does not13:45
gnomefreakgood morning Hobbsee 13:52
* carlos -> lunch13:55
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ubotuNew bug: #156228 in launchpad "admin page to change milestone details contains two 'Series' select box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15622814:11
saifihi all15:00
saifidoes anybody know how to assign a team to a project ? I have created a team and I have also created a project. now i want to assign the team to that project, how do i accomplish that ?15:01
mwhudsonsaifi: what do you intend to accomplish by this association?15:01
saifimake the team a part of the project.15:02
mwhudsonand what would that imply?15:02
mwhudsonsaifi: you can set the team to be bug contact for the project15:02
mwhudsonwhich means the team would be automatically subscribed to all bugs15:02
mwhudsonand there's something similar for answers and translations15:03
saifiwhat i understood from the documentation is that the team can be made the driver of the project.15:03
saifiteam members can play different roles depending on the tasks at hand.15:03
mwhudsonoh, driver can bet set in the projects +edit form, i think15:04
saifiok so while I am logged in as team admin, I visit the project page which I created, is that what you are implying ?15:05
saifithis looks a little strange.15:07
saifithe society registered a project and created a team.15:07
saifiand the project is at https://launchpad.net/fabio/15:08
saifibut the project page does not show the project being registered by it. Instead it shows it as being registered by one of the members !15:08
saifiso while TWINCLING is the Driver, it is not the owner. which is not correct.15:09
kikosaifi, the registrant can change the owner.15:12
kikosaifi, who registered '/fabio'?15:12
saifitwincling registered fabio on 6/1015:13
saifitoday sumit registered as a user as we are starting work.15:13
saifiand now it shows him as the person who registered it.15:14
kikosaifi, that's not possible. teams can't register projects.15:15
kikowhat happened is that sumit registered that project15:15
kikoand he needs to reassign it to the team now, if that's what you want.15:16
ubotuNew bug: #156258 in malone "'reported bugs' view does not contain all my reported bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15625815:16
saifikiko yes we want it to be assigned to the team.15:16
kikosaifi, he should "Change Owner", then.15:18
saifithanks kiko, let me ask sumit to do that. thanks once again.15:19
kikono probs15:20
saifikiko how do we transfer registration from one user to another ?15:28
saifikiko is it by changing the maintainer information ?15:29
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ubotuNew bug: #156263 in launchpad "Allow deactivation of distributions" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15626315:30
ubotuNew bug: #156264 in soyuz "one broken buildd can break the sequencer taking all builds offline" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15626415:30
saifithanks kiko, we managed it by changing th maintainer !15:31
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ubotuNew bug: #156271 in launchpad "Allow administrators to reactivate disabled projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15627115:55
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mrevellsabdfl: Hi. Would you like to talk about the release announcement? (Doctor says everything seems to be okay with my son, by the way.)16:42
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Kmoshttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vodovod -> OOPS-661EA7717:00
mrevellKmos: I can't find a package called vodovod17:06
Kmosmrevell: it exists17:08
Kmoshmm.. maybe it doesn't exist17:08
Kmosapt-cache show vodovod don't show anything? i'm not at linux now17:09
Kmosi need to request it17:10
Hobbseewell, it doesnt appear to exist, so attempting to get a page of a project that doesnt exist is futile.17:11
Kmosit will be in hardy =)17:18
Hobbseeif it gets packaged, and passes qa, yes.17:20
qensewhat group do you have to be a memfer from in order to set the importance of launchpad bugs?17:26
KmosHobbsee: it's on debian =)17:27
qenseIsn't that team the launchpad-bugs team? How do you become a member? 17:32
qenseanyone? Is there no one who knows the answer, despite so many are online?17:35
intellectronicaqense: what are you trying to do?17:35
qenseI would really like to help with launchpad, with bugs(solving them, triaging them) or with other things17:36
qenseI am already a member of the beta testers17:36
intellectronicaqense: unfortunately, the launchpad team doesn't accept outside members, but you are, of course, more than welcome to help with reporting, commenting, etc'...17:39
qenseI'll try to help as much as possible17:39
Hobbseeqense: you need to be a part of ubuntu-qa (or whatever it's been renamed to now).  see #ubuntu-bugs for more info.17:40
qenseI applied for them17:40
qenseit's now ubuntu-bugcontrol17:40
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ddaaHobbsee: I think qense did mean "Launchpad the project", not Ubuntu.17:41
Hobbseeah yes, that's right17:41
Hobbseeddaa: oh, whoops.17:41
Hobbseeso he did.  ignore me then.17:41
ddaanp, I imagine lots of users do not make the distinction17:41
ddaalike those whole file tickets on launchpad about ubuntu installation problems...17:42
Hobbseeyeah, well.  that's probably because people dont read.17:42
qenseA lot of people don't know launchpad can be used for other projects too17:42
ddaaPeople do not read.17:42
Hobbseei've taken to pasting the entire team description in the declination letter, for one of my teams now.17:42
ddaaThat's rule 0 of UI design.17:42
Hobbseeyeah well.17:42
ddaaI think rule 1 is something like "I mean, they REALLY do not read"17:43
ddaaand rule 2 is "But they'll complain if there's no documentation not to read."17:43
Hobbseei'm pondering changing the team to moderated, and saying "if you want membership, please email me at foo@bar, and tell me in a sentence who this team is for"17:43
Hobbseei've had around 6 people so far, in the past few days, who havent read the team description before attempting to join.17:43
ddaaLaunchpad should support this kind of workflow (so you do not have to another communication channel)17:44
ddaabut I can only agree with the idea, I have seen people joining teams for the "strangest" reasons.17:44
ddaaLike, people not realizing how launchpad is not facebook...17:45
ddaaor people collecting team badges17:45
qensewhat team do you moderate hobbsee?17:46
qenseBy the way, can you already merge your forum account whit the one in launchpad? I don't know how to test it whn you can't merge17:47
qenseI use another account on the forum with a different username17:47
Hobbseegeser: ubuntu-universe-sponsors17:47
ddaaI believe forums are completely separate from launchpad17:48
ddaaactually, canonical has nothing to do at all with the forums, it's purely a community initiatitev.17:48
qenseI heard something about a merge with the forum accounts17:49
geserHobbsee: what about u-u-s?17:49
qenseI don't rememeber the feature specification, I'll look for it17:49
ddaaThat's something that may happen in the future, but it's not an issue at the moment.17:49
ddaai.e. you do not need to worry about it17:49
Hobbseegeser: the number of people who cant damned well read.17:49
Hobbseeright.  fixed. https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors17:50
Hobbseegeser: do you think that will stop people?  ^17:51
Hobbseeddaa: think i'll have more luck with that?17:53
ddaaPurest Hobbsee style.17:54
Hobbseeddaa: yeah, well.17:54
ddaaDid you learn interpersonal skills on lkml? :)17:54
Hobbseeddaa: iv'e done more than enough retail to know how stupid people are.17:54
Hobbseeddaa: did you know, i had a guy who didnt understand the concept of per-kilo measurements, for fruit?17:55
ddaaWe have plenty of smart people at he company who don't.17:55
ddaaThey won't only talk pounds and ounces.17:55
Hobbseeddaa: he didnt get the concept that it was not all a flat price, no matter if he bought 2 tomatoes, or 20.17:56
ScottKHobbsee: Dunno.  I think so non-MOTUs might feel all rejected and stuff.17:56
jkakarThis seems to be spinning forever doing nothing: bzr merge https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesh/storm/reconnect17:57
HobbseeScottK: if they cant read a description, they won't get far when dealing with problems that they encounter, so...17:57
jkakarAm I doing something wrong?17:57
ddaaTBH, I have idea what this team is for.17:57
Hobbseejkakar: you're probably missing a dot.17:57
Hobbseeddaa: read the description.  :)17:57
ddaaThe description gives some information about what it is not.17:57
* ScottK forgot </kidding>17:57
Hobbseeddaa: This team is restricted to developers - if you have questions, please ask in #ubuntu-motu on IRC or ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com.17:57
Hobbseeddaa: it seems that isnt clear enough?17:57
jkakarHobbsee: Uh.  What?! :)17:57
geserHobbsee: does this 90 days expiry for u-u-s only apply to new members?17:58
ddaaHobbsee: you mean "If you want to know what this team is for, ask in #ubuntu-motu, on IRC or..." ?17:58
Hobbseejkakar: oh, seems that you don't need to supply both merge dirs.17:58
jkakarHobbsee: Right.  I'm running that in a working tree, so the merge-into dir is implicit.17:58
Hobbseeddaa: first half of it, i was thinking mroe.17:59
Hobbseealthough, technically, they could all be developers.17:59
Hobbseegeser: unsure.  i think it's everyone.17:59
jkakarThe weird thing is that Bazaar doesn't show any progress indicator and doesn't respond to C-c.  I eventually have to C-\ to kill it.17:59
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ddaaHobbsee: okay it's a team for developers, but it does not tell me what it is for.17:59
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geserHobbsee: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-sponsors/+members lists an expiry date only for recent members, the most people don't have one18:00
ddaaMaybe, just maybe, was the communication problem was one of an unclear description of the team?18:00
Hobbseegeser: hmm, fair enough.18:00
Hobbseeddaa: perhaps.  18:00
Hobbseeddaa: it's for sponsorship of patches for universe and multiverse18:00
Hobbsee(and is documented in w.u.c/UbuntuDevelopment18:01
ddaaI think the important things to answer would be something like:18:01
ddaa"What would you join this team"18:01
jkakarHuh, weird.  I did s/http/https/ on the URL and it worked.18:01
ddaa"What email will you receive if you are a member of this team"18:01
jkakarIt would be nice if it spewed an error message, or even better just did the right thing.  I wonder if this is an LP or Bazaar issue.18:02
ddaa"What are our requirements for accepting members."18:02
Hobbseeddaa: hm, true.18:02
ddaaIn the degenerate case, it can be something as simple as "If you do not know what this team is for, it is not for you."18:03
Hobbseeddaa: i think that they do think they know what the team is for.18:04
Hobbseethat's the weird thing.18:04
ddaaMaybe it's "This team offers sponsoring for the 'universe' and 'multiverse' components of the archive."18:05
ddaaIt's very easy to read as "Join this team if you want to be sponsored."18:06
* Hobbsee clarifies it somewhat18:07
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ubotuNew bug: #156322 in launchpad-bazaar "undefined name get_canonical_url in canonical.codehosting.puller.scheduler.PullerMaster.unexpectedError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15632218:31
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ubotuNew bug: #156340 in launchpad "Need to be able to associate multiple email addresses with a team" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15634019:40
nxiI'm looking for info on launchpad's xmlrpc api, anyone got a link to documentation,  or example usage?20:20
kikonxi, https://help.launchpad.net/MaloneXMLRPC20:22
nxiyep, I found that one but thats only for filing bugs right? is it also possible to query info of existing ones?20:23
kikonxi, not at the moment. there used to be an interface that worked and (though it exported only bug IDs) but that broken20:28
nxiow ok, thats too bad20:31
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daniel_kiIt appears that the ppa builder doesn't take build dependencies into account. Is that right?20:48
daniel_kiWhen deciding on the order to build packages in, that is.20:48
kikodaniel_ki, it has some intelligence, but not too much yet.20:53
kikoi.e. it scores packages with less dependencies first20:53
daniel_kiSo I'll need to update the packages one of another, waiting for the build to finish in between, right?20:54
mptGooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!20:59
daniel_kimaybe a simple fix would be to take the dput order into account, e.g. by checking the file modification time21:00
daniel_kimoin mpt!21:01
kikomorning mpt help21:03
mptkiko, you need help?21:07
kikompt, yes, review my patch :)21:08
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LaserJockhi kiko 21:50
ajmitchLaserJock: well done with the edubuntu session :)21:51
LaserJockajmitch: pfft21:51
LaserJockjust tried to manage the chaos ;-)21:51
ajmitchsaved the day, you mean21:52
LaserJockand here I thought I'd get through an Open Week without doing a session ;-)21:53
ajmitchsuperstars can't escape their fans21:54
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