[00:22] <imbrandon> hrm do i need to recompile the kernel for a new fs driver or just get the headers ?
[00:22] <crimsun> neither.  The headers are installed by default.
[00:23] <crimsun> (also presuming you've just grabbed source and are compiling modules)
[00:23] <imbrandon> hrm well no this is a not included module , expirmental fatx fs
[00:25] <imbrandon> i've done _very_ little kernel hacking specialy the "ubuntu way" so i'm kinda winging it here
[00:25] <crimsun> depending on the invasiveness, you may well need to patch the source
[00:26] <imbrandon> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41773/
[00:27] <imbrandon> here is what i have
[00:28] <imbrandon> i was hoping to just compile it with the headers and modprobe it, but something is telling me it wont be that simple
[00:29] <imbrandon> ( btw this patch was ripped from a fedora6 kernel svn )
[00:30] <crimsun> ok, on a slow connection
[00:31] <imbrandon> np, i'm on a slow computer ( 200mhz ) so this might take a while :)
[00:33] <imbrandon> i'm reading through the customcompile wiki now
[00:34] <crimsun> right, that's not going to just drop in easily
[00:38] <imbrandon> hrm the wiki says grab apt-get source linux-source , which grabs the meta package and no source tar only a debian/ dir with the various configs
[00:38] <crimsun> you want `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)`
[00:39] <crimsun> (linux-source's source package is linux-meta, not linux-source-2.6.22)
[00:40] <imbrandon> ahh darn wiki
[00:53] <imbrandon> crimsun, after i do that can i just debuild it ?
[00:54] <imbrandon> what about lrm and the other meta stuff
[00:55] <crimsun> imbrandon: you can use the packaging infrastructure, yes.  Just pull source for l-u-m/l-r-m/l-b-m and do the fun.
[00:56] <imbrandon> erm but if the configs are in the linux-meta but the source is in linux-image-* 
[00:56] <imbrandon> i'm a bit confused
[00:57] <imbrandon> i have both apt-get sourced in diffrent dirs, and the patch seemed to apply to the -image- fine
[00:57] <imbrandon> but i'm trying to build it the exact ubuntu way ( sa as to redistribute or upload ot a ppa maybe )
[01:01] <imbrandon> so i'm assuming i need to debuild (-us -uc) the linux-image then install it then rebuild the meta ?
[01:02] <zul> imbrandon: what are you on about? :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> haha zul i'm trying to do some leg work for you
[01:03] <imbrandon> i got a patch, but i'm clueless how to build a proper ubuntu kernel, only the old vanilla way
[01:04] <zul> oh thanks :)
[01:04] <zul> well i could create a debdiff for you
[01:04] <imbrandon> zul did you see the fatx.img gave you
[01:04] <zul> imbrandon: nope thats from work puter, im at home now
[01:05] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/fatx_test.img.gz
[01:05] <imbrandon> its 260mb uncompressed, its a streight dd of one of my xbox memory cards
[01:05] <imbrandon> so it might have some game saves on it
[01:05] <imbrandon> infact i know it does
[01:06] <crimsun> imbrandon: are you using wiki/KernelCustomBuild?
[01:06] <imbrandon> crimsun, i was, seems some steps are missing
[01:06] <zul> downloading now
[01:07] <imbrandon> zul here is the patch, you might have to cherry pick just the fatx fs though and watch out for the included config , that will make the kernel only boot on a xbox
[01:07] <imbrandon> http://www.not404.com/system/files/2.6.22.1.tar.bz2
[01:08] <imbrandon> shouldent be hard to just grab the fs/ though out of that i assume
[01:08] <zul> imbrandonL is it the whole thing? or just the patch?
[01:08] <imbrandon> its a pretty small patch
[01:08] <imbrandon> just the patch
[01:09] <imbrandon> its actualy a patch to include fatx AND make the kernel boot on an xbox if #ifdef X86_XBOX = y , i was looking to just grab the FS
[01:09] <imbrandon> if possible
[01:09] <imbrandon> ( the other stuff is some pci patches
[01:09] <imbrandon> )
[01:09] <zul> so you just want the fatx stuff?
[01:09] <imbrandon> yup
[01:10] <zul> ok gimme a bit
[01:10] <imbrandon> basicly so ubuntu can read fatx hdd's and memory cards ( usb devices ) ootb
[01:11] <imbrandon> this is actualy being looked at upstream on lkml but i'm trying to preempt it a bit
[01:11] <zul> ill make a patch for lum-2.6.22
[03:11] <Nafallo> anyone here?
[03:11] <Nafallo> regarding usbsuspend
[03:18] <mjg59> Which aspect of it?
[04:52] <imbrandon> anyone know why i would get this .... debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig: line 66: /home/brandon/files/xbox/kernel/ubuntu-image/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/scripts/misc/splitconfig.pl: Permission denied
[04:52] <imbrandon> when running the updateconfigs
[04:53] <imbrandon> *debian/rules updateconfigs
[04:55] <imbrandon> ( and yea i ran it with sudo fwiw )
[05:01] <imbrandon> ahh it wasent +x , doh
[07:55] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <thr1lljockey> is there something special i need to do somewhere to boot a custom kernel *without* a ramfs/initrd?
[08:53] <nevion_> afaik you just put it in its own section in grub without the initrd option
[08:53] <nevion_> and it should boot fine
[08:54] <n2diy_> thrilljockey owes me a beer.  ?
[08:55] <nevion_> whatever happened with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/133636
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy] hdaps module does not load on Thinkpad T61P" [Low,New] 
[08:55] <nevion_> it was so close to being fixed... and then it just stopped..
[08:56] <thr1lljockey> i get a panic at root device mount
[08:57] <nevion_> make sure you had your needed fs modules compiled in
[08:57] <thr1lljockey> cannot open root device "UUID=blahblah"
[08:57] <nevion_> as well as any other thing you need to read off the hd
[08:57] <nevion_> consider starting with ubuntu's configuration and slowly triming it down to yours
[08:58] <thr1lljockey> everything necessary is compiled-in (aside from uuid support, evidently)
[08:58] <Mithrandir> the kernel doesn't do UUID mounting natively.
[08:58] <Mithrandir> so you need to pass root=/dev/whatever
[08:58] <Mithrandir> but why do you want to avoid initramfs?
[08:58] <thr1lljockey> working on an embedded install
[08:59] <thr1lljockey> and i guess my latent instincts for defiance beg the question, 'why do i need one?'
[08:59] <thr1lljockey> hehe
[09:01] <nevion_> anyone know what the status is with x86_64 getting config_no_hz set?  From what I can see, its been available and functional for a while
[09:01] <Mithrandir> because it makes it easier to rescue a broken system, it adds uuid support, etc.
[09:02] <thr1lljockey> with the ability to boot from a livecd, for example, i'm not convinced i need a 'recovery-boot' option
[09:02] <thr1lljockey> (personally, of course...)
[09:02] <nevion_> keeps you from having to compile kernel n^2 times
[09:02] <nevion_> so you can find out what modules you need to have loaded at boot time easier
[09:03] <nevion_> so its not needed... but adds convenience in that sense
[09:03] <thr1lljockey> i know there's a wealth of reasons from a distribution standpoint; i'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything
[09:03] <thr1lljockey> i just prefer not to use them myself is all
[09:04] <thr1lljockey> and thanks for the tip about uuid being handled in the initrd, i fixed menu.lst and i'm up and running now
[09:04] <Mithrandir> not initrd.  initramfs.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> Ubuntu hasn't used initrds since 5.10
[09:05] <nevion_> conceptually the same, but different details, right?
[09:05] <thr1lljockey> sorry, old habit
[09:06] <Mithrandir> quite different.  tmpfs instead of ramfs, no pivot_root, for instance.
[09:06] <thr1lljockey> initramfs is faster and causes less litter in kernelspace, isn't it?
[09:06] <Mithrandir> much less stuff done in kernelspace.
[09:06] <nevion_> damn though, I'm having a hell of a time finding any info about x86_64 and tickless/dynticks/config_no_hz
[09:08] <thr1lljockey> i thought tickless systems were basically broken until .24?
[09:09] <nevion_> I read some blurb about that in july from linus... but ingo molnar's had it working since that time pretty much
[09:09] <thr1lljockey> btw n2diy_ yes i owe you a beer
[09:09] <nevion_> I think redhat's picked it up by now, not too sure
[09:09] <thr1lljockey> there's likely a backport
[09:09] <nevion_> like I said, I've had a hell of a time getting details
[09:12] <n2diy_> thrilljockey Cool, GL!
[09:15] <maks_> thr1lljockey: initramfs get control much early, you can costumize them much better if you wana checkout latest intramfs-tools git clone git://git.debian.org/git/kernel/initramfs-tools.git but pay attention it does not yet have the dpkg trigger set as dpkg has not merged that feature
[09:19] <thr1lljockey> thanks! i'm willing to be convinced that initramfs is not as undesirable as i used to think... i'll look into it
[10:05] <imbrandon> zul_, bro i got fatx working :)
[10:05] <imbrandon> ping me when your round
[10:22] <Whoopie> hi, I've a short question: when compiling a custom kernel, do I need to add the apparmor patch to it?
[10:26] <amitk> Whoopie: why do you say so? Apparmor is in LUM
[10:29] <abogani> Hi All, Someone know and could tell me if Ubuntu Gutsy kernel support "Filesystem Capabilities" ? Thanks in advance!
[10:31] <Whoopie> amitk: yes, but I have built a 2.6.23.1 kernel, and I'd like to know if the apparmor module is needed.
[10:31] <Nafallo> Suggestion: Enable USB autosuspend by pressing the U key or adding
[10:31] <Nafallo> usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line in the grub config
[10:31] <Nafallo> [    0.000000] Unknown boot option `usbcore.autosuspend=1': ignoring
[10:32] <maks_> Whoopie: if you care about security you'd want to use selinux anyway
[10:37] <Whoopie> maks_: but ubuntu is based on apparmor, isn't it?
[10:37] <Whoopie> and there're some rules for cups.
[10:37] <Mithrandir> Whoopie: there's no requirement to use apparmour with Ubuntu.
[10:39] <Whoopie> Mithrandir: so it's not activated by default? why do we have /etc/apparmor and /etc/apparmor.d ?
[10:41] <Mithrandir> Whoopie: note: requirement.  As in, you can run without it.
[10:43] <amitk> Nafallo: see bug #85488
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85488 in sane-backends "some usb_devices fault if usb_suspend enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85488
[10:44] <amitk> Nafallo: autosuspend was disabled for all non-hub devices
[10:50] <Nafallo> amitk: so I can't enable it by force?
[10:59] <pina> is it just me or ubuntu's aptitude's TUI is obtuse and IMO, counterintuitive
[11:00] <Mithrandir> you're at least way offtopic for this channel
[11:00] <pina> i know.
[11:00] <Mithrandir> (and I find it quite nice)
[11:00] <pina> just playing around with the kernel andf the pkg manager
[11:00] <pina> my complaints are largely semantic:P
[11:00] <amitk> Nafallo: No you can't. Upstream decided this. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=commit;h=e818eec4b546562fb1215a8756805eadb0c390c2
[11:01] <Nafallo> amitk: cheers.
[11:09] <Whoopie> Mithrandir: ok, thanks.
[11:25] <amitk> Nafallo: you can actually force it
[11:25] <amitk> I was reading the code incorrectly
[11:25] <Nafallo> oh?
[11:26] <amitk> find /sys -name autosuspend
[11:26] <amitk> type ^^^ command
[11:27] <Nafallo> hehe. so /etc/sysctl.conf rather then /boot/grub/menu.lst then? ;-)
[11:29] <amitk> Nafallo: umm.. no. /etc/sysctl.conf can only address runtime parameters in /proc/sys
[11:29] <Nafallo> ah right... so /etc/rc.local?
[11:29] <amitk> yeah
[11:33] <Nafallo> oki, added. lets see if it blows my computer up or not :-)
[11:43] <thr1lljockey> i think this is the best channel to ask in... do the process accounting tools in the "acct" package support v3 format?
[11:51] <Kano> hi
[11:52] <Kano> how about adding
[11:52] <Kano> http://people.redhat.com/heinzm/sw/dm/dm-raid45/dm-raid45-2.6.22.1-20070724.patch.bz2
[11:52] <Kano> it has been reported serveral times in your bug tracking system, just was nerver fixed
[11:53] <Kano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97655
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97655 in linux-source-2.6.20 "dmraid45 target please" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[11:54] <Kano> patch applies cleanly, adds one module, which definitely works
[11:55] <Kano> if someones does not get raid 5 working it is an issue with dmraid package, which needs to load the additional module
[11:56] <Kano> the needed changes are mentioned in the bug report
[11:57] <Kano> someone needed an additional sleep before dmraid -ay however
[12:13] <amitk> Kano: could you mail kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com with the request. IRC requests might get lost
[12:13] <Kano> ok
[12:19] <Kano> sent
[13:15] <abogani> Nobody know if Ubuntu kernel support "Filesystem Capabilities" 
[13:15] <abogani> ?
[13:18] <cofeineSunshine_> fuse?
[13:19] <abogani> cofeineSunshine_: No File Posix Capabilities (http://www.friedhoff.org/fscaps.html)
[13:19] <cofeineSunshine_> duno
[13:21] <zul> abogani: IT MIGHT
[13:24] <abogani> zul: Ok, Sorry. for bother
[13:26] <zul> abogani: sorry caps was on
[13:26] <abogani> zul: :-)
[14:41] <EtienneG> just curious: as CFS was introduced in 2.6.23 (IIRC), we do not have it in gutsy, right ?
[14:42] <zul> correct because we use 2.6.22
[14:48] <abogani> EtienneG: RT have CFS
[14:48] <EtienneG> abogani, zul, thanks for the insight guys
[15:08] <surface> i have facing a problem, when i log off from desktop to kdm ( using kubunu ), monitor screen turns black, all keyboard lost function, is it a kernel issues?
[15:08] <Angelus> hello guys
[15:08] <Angelus> i want to report this issue about the ubuntu kernel
[15:10] <Angelus> im using the amd64 arch, the vesafb module is not compiled in ubuntu's kernel, and the booupsplash is enabled. this will result in the monitor turning off till the login sscreen apears .or a blank picture.. on some cards. many people are expiriencing this issue. the only fix i could find is compiling you're own kernll with the vesafb enabled. please fix it.
[15:11] <EtienneG> Angelus, I have heard about that
[15:12] <EtienneG> have a bug been filed in Launchpad ?
[15:12] <Angelus> EtienneG:  i filled a bug, and the fix too
[15:12] <EtienneG> Angelus, bug # ?  I am interested in subscribing
[15:12] <Angelus> but i reported it here because, newusers sometimes will find it hard tocompile there own kernel 
[15:13] <Angelus> and its the only posible way to fix it
[15:13] <Angelus> EtienneG: this is the fix i wrote. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/156225
[15:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156225 in kubuntu-default-settings "Fix For the bootup splash on Gutsy." [Undecided,New] 
[15:14] <EtienneG> Angelus, thanks, not a dev myself so i cannto help further but I will subscribe to the bug and monitor it
[15:14] <Angelus> ok
[15:15] <Angelus> well i hope some devs will read it because its an issue that many people are encountering, and sometimes they don't install kubuntu/ubuntu because when the monitor turns off they just reboot . they don't know that its a bootupsplash issue.
[15:16] <EtienneG> indeed
[15:17] <Angelus> brb , training
[18:52] <zul> BenC: ping has imbrandon talked to you about fatx?
[18:56] <imbrandon> zul, not yet, i got that from the lbm changelog
[21:27] <Yannovitch> hello
[21:27] <Yannovitch> is somebody there ??
[21:28] <Yannovitch> i would like to know if you plain to put as soon as possible alsa version 15 
[21:28] <Yannovitch> because i ve lot of problems with my soundcard under linux
[21:28] <Yannovitch> and version 15 will solve that
[21:58] <Lutin> hi there