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| avatar_ | @schedule amsterdam | 08:09 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 23 Oct 17:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 16:00: Community Development Team | 08:09 |
| juliux | morning mvo | 08:58 |
| mvo | hey juliux! | 09:16 |
| mvo | juliux: I think I hadn't had the chance to congrat you yet for the very nice ubucon event | 09:17 |
| juliux | mvo, thanks | 09:17 |
| juliux | mvo, can you send me your slides? we want upload them on the website | 09:17 |
| mvo | juliux: sure | 09:17 |
| juliux | mvo, thanks | 09:18 |
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| pferrari | @schedule Zurich | 14:24 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 23 Oct 17:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 16:00: Community Development Team | 14:24 |
| zul | @schedule montreal | 15:23 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 23 Oct 11:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 12:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 12:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 10:00: Community Development Team | 15:23 |
| soren | @schedule Copenhagen | 15:30 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 23 Oct 17:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 16:00: Community Development Team | 15:30 |
| soren | Oh, server team meeting! That sounds very interesting! | 15:30 |
| abogani | @schedule Rome | 15:30 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 23 Oct 17:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 17:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 16:00: Community Development Team | 15:30 |
| penguim | @schedule Brazil | 15:36 |
| penguim | @schedule Bahia | 15:40 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Bahia: 23 Oct 12:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 13:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 13:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 12:00: Community Development Team | 15:40 |
| nealmcb | @schedule denver | 15:43 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Denver: 23 Oct 09:00: Server Team | 23 Oct 10:00: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 10:00: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 08:00: Community Development Team | 15:43 |
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| nealmcb | upcoming agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 15:47 |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 23 Oct 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 30 Oct 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 15:00 UTC: Community Development Team | ||
| zul | hey | 15:52 |
| mathiaz | Hi everyone ! | 15:57 |
| soren | Hey, Mathiaz! | 15:58 |
| sommer | hey | 15:58 |
| penguim | hi all | 15:58 |
| ScottK | Hello | 15:58 |
| * jdstrand waves | 15:58 | |
| lionel | hi | 15:58 |
| zul | hello | 16:00 |
| mathiaz | ok. So let's get this started. | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is mathiaz. | 16:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | Short agenda for today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 16:01 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 16:02 |
| mathiaz | Last meeting notes are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20071009 | 16:02 |
| soren | There weren't any? | 16:03 |
| soren | Action points, that is. | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | soren: there were two small ones for me. | 16:03 |
| mathiaz | soren: I did them IIRC | 16:03 |
| soren | mathiaz: Oh, you're right. | 16:04 |
| soren | Something about e-mail fridge-devel to sort something out? | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | soren: when do you think you'll start the mta debate on debian-devel ? | 16:04 |
| soren | mathiaz: Tomorrow. I meant to do it today, but I got tied up. | 16:04 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Lessons learned from gutsy about Xen | 16:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lessons learned from gutsy about Xen | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | zul: ^^ | 16:06 |
| zul | on the phone just a sec | 16:06 |
| mathiaz | ok.. So while waiting, anyone upgrade their server to gutsy ? | 16:07 |
| zul | ok im back | 16:07 |
| zul | sorry | 16:07 |
| zul | ok basically xen in gutsy was a mess compared to feisty and Im looking for help this time around | 16:08 |
| mathiaz | zul: what's the current state of xen in gutsy ? | 16:08 |
| zul | mathiaz: people were having problems loading their domUs and other problems | 16:08 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I upgraded one of mail mail servers around beta timeframe with no issues. I plan on doing production servers this weekend. | 16:09 |
| zul | i emailed a list of ideas for hardy to rick and we can go from their at uds | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | zul: is this because there wasn't enough testing done during gutsy development phase ? | 16:09 |
| mathiaz | zul: ok. Is there a spec registered about this ? | 16:09 |
| zul | mathiaz: true thats part of it | 16:09 |
| zul | mathiaz: not yet i have to talk to rick more probably | 16:10 |
| zul | there is a session a uds about this | 16:10 |
| mathiaz | zul: will you be at uds ? | 16:10 |
| zul | no I have sent my ideas to rick already ill be listening in though | 16:10 |
| nealmcb | zul: what sorts of suggestions do you have? | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | zul: ok. If there is a session scheduled, there is probably a blueprint associated with it. | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | zul: it may be worth creating the wiki page and add your ideas there. | 16:11 |
| zul | nealmcb: better tools for creating guests, not just me working on it | 16:11 |
| mathiaz | zul: explain what was wrong with gutsy and what should be done about it. | 16:12 |
| mathiaz | zul: are you the only one doing xen work/developpement in Ubuntu ? | 16:12 |
| zul | mathiaz: basically it was a switch in where were we getting the sources from and the lack of people testing ti | 16:12 |
| zul | mathiaz: yes i am | 16:12 |
| zul | so another set of eyes would be good, if it helps Ill send an email to the ubuntu-server ml | 16:13 |
| avatar_ | zul: you'r not in #ubuntu-xen ? | 16:14 |
| mathiaz | zul: I think that's a good idea. | 16:14 |
| zul | avatar_: not regularily | 16:14 |
| zul | ok so I will send an email when I get home tonight | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | avatar_: is there a mailing list for ubuntu-xen ? | 16:15 |
| zul | no there isnt | 16:15 |
| avatar_ | mathiaz: afaik just an irc channel | 16:15 |
| mathiaz | zul: ok. It seems that there isn't any spec for xen. | 16:16 |
| mathiaz | zul: could create a wiki page about XenSupportInHardy ? | 16:17 |
| zul | mathiaz: true, I can do that no problem | 16:17 |
| nealmcb | zul: what sorts of assistance would be most helpful for the xen effort - what skill sets? | 16:17 |
| zul | nealmcb: packaging testing documentation | 16:17 |
| zul | especially for amd64 and windows guests | 16:18 |
| mathiaz | zul: that would help a lot if you'd listed what is needed in the wiki page. | 16:18 |
| nealmcb | thanks for doing so much by yourself - sounds like we should be able to find folks with those skills.... | 16:19 |
| zul | I could start an XenTeam wiki page as well | 16:19 |
| avatar_ | i would like help testing, but amd64 or windows guests requires me to buy new hardware... | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] zul will create a wiki page XenSupportInHardy to describe what is needed for xen | 16:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul will create a wiki page XenSupportInHardy to describe what is needed for xen | 16:19 |
| zul | avatar_: ditto :) | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | zul: A team may be a good idea in mid-term. | 16:19 |
| mathiaz | zul: let's start by figuring out what needs to be done for hardy | 16:20 |
| zul | mathiaz: sure Ill get started on it tonight | 16:20 |
| zul | mathiaz: i have a rough idea in my head I just need to write it down | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | zul: once people will be interested in it, we could consider the creation of a team | 16:21 |
| penguim | +1 | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | zul: excellent ! | 16:21 |
| mathiaz | zul: meanwhile, I think you can use the ubuntu-server mailing list to discuss it. | 16:22 |
| nealmcb | what was the change in xen sources - from where to where? | 16:22 |
| zul | nealmcb: dom0 sources from redhat to novell | 16:22 |
| nealmcb | ty | 16:22 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap | 16:23 |
| mathiaz | As you may know, the hardy archive is now opened. | 16:24 |
| mathiaz | Which means that we're in merge phase. | 16:24 |
| soren | \o/ Merge-o-rama! | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | While doing this, it would be great to forward deltas to Debian via their BTS | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging | 16:25 |
| ScottK | As long as they are applicable. | 16:25 |
| mathiaz | sommer: how is the server guide review going ? | 16:27 |
| sommer | mathiaz: it's coming along... still working through the official docs | 16:27 |
| sommer | I also updated, some of the wiki pages I've contributed to, for Gutsy | 16:28 |
| sommer | at this point basically the ones listed on the Server Team RoadMap page | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | I've also noticed you've been working on a macro for the wiki to indicate which release is relevant for wiki pages. | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | sommer: Are they tagged in the wiki ? | 16:28 |
| mathiaz | sommer: May we could create a link to the list of page relevant to the ServerTeam category. | 16:29 |
| sommer | mathiaz: sounds like a good idea... they currently aren't tagged except for CategoryDocumentation | 16:30 |
| mathiaz | sommer: the idea being that we can point new contributors to the page when they show interest in server documentation. | 16:30 |
| sommer | should we post to the doc ml for additional help? | 16:31 |
| mathiaz | sommer: hum... I don't know. | 16:31 |
| ScottK | sommer: One documentation point you might look into while you are reviewing is that I got the fix for Bug #150067 uploaded late in the Gutsy process, but the resulting config file change isn't documented. It'd be useful if there was an appropriate place to put that. | 16:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 150067 in courier "Courier 0.56 has broken SSL support" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150067 | 16:32 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: is there a way to tag bugs fixed that need documentation update ? | 16:32 |
| * ScottK has no idea. | 16:33 | |
| ScottK | I'm only thinking about that one because I uploaded the fix and dealt with a bug filed today where the only problem was they didn't know about the setting. | 16:33 |
| sommer | there is a list of bugs pertaining to the official docs | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: yes. It's a general issue actually. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | the mysql bug database has such a workflow. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | you can see when fixes are committed, then documented. | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | It may be interesting to be able to mark bugs that need a documentation review (with an appropriate tag for example). | 16:35 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: and then remove the tag when it is documented? | 16:35 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: yes. | 16:36 |
| nealmcb | sounds useful - a link to a mysql example would be handy | 16:36 |
| mathiaz | Anyone has another example of such a situation ? | 16:36 |
| soren | I know I have one, but I forget what it is :) | 16:37 |
| sommer | the evms issue everyone seems to have? | 16:38 |
| sommer | or is that one documented somewhere? I just recall several questions about it. | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | sommer: I think that was put in the release notes. | 16:38 |
| sommer | ah | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | sommer: update-manager should take care of it. | 16:39 |
| mathiaz | sommer: but not everyone uses update-manager to upgrade to gutsy. | 16:39 |
| sommer | so if a bug requires documentation is the process to update the official docs, or a wiki page? | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | sommer: well - it depends where it needs to be fixed. | 16:40 |
| sommer | mathiaz: okay | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | sommer: if it's in the official documentation, I think that a new bug should be filed against the documentation package | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | sommer: otherwise, the wiki page should be updated. | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | This is usually what I do whith the AppArmor package and User guide. | 16:41 |
| sommer | cool sounds good to me | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | The problem is that most developper don't know which wiki page on help.u.c needs to be updated. | 16:41 |
| nealmcb | sending an example of the mysql workflow to the doc team might help - they may have similar ideas | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | I think this should be raised with the ubuntu-doc team. | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | I'll send an email about this. | 16:42 |
| nealmcb | cool | 16:42 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz will send an email to ubuntu-doc about bugs and documentation update. | 16:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz will send an email to ubuntu-doc about bugs and documentation update. | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: I'll give your courrier bug as an example. | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | If someone else has another example, let me know. | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: what's the state with the factoids ? | 16:43 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: Thanks. | 16:43 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: sorry - distracte - I need to get back to them!! | 16:45 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: did you send an email to ubuntu-server with your proposal ? | 16:46 |
| nealmcb | not yet. I've got some fleshed out on the page, but want to finish that first | 16:46 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: ok. | 16:47 |
| mathiaz | As you may know, the Ubuntu Developer Summit will start next week | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | with a BarCamp this coming Weekend. | 16:48 |
| soren | *cough* FOSSCamp *cough* | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | A list of blueprints will be discussing for Hardy can be found at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | soren: hum - it was renamed ? | 16:49 |
| soren | Er.. no? | 16:49 |
| soren | :) | 16:49 |
| nealmcb | that's the name - Fosscamp | 16:49 |
| soren | http://www.fosscamp.org/ | 16:49 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.fosscamp.org/ | 16:49 |
| mathiaz | soren: hum... ok. | 16:50 |
| soren | No biggie. | 16:50 |
| soren | :) | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | So if you wanna get involve in the discussion, the blueprints and their associated wiki page are the place to look at. | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | Is there anything else ? | 16:51 |
| nealmcb | will the schedule at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-29/index.html point to the blueprints? | 16:52 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: it should | 16:52 |
| Keybuk | nealmcb: it already does | 16:52 |
| nealmcb | In the past I remember it being hard to find out about some topics | 16:52 |
| nealmcb | Keybuk: hmmm - the titles don't seem to be links - ahh - some are | 16:53 |
| Keybuk | they're links if they have a little note icon next to them | 16:53 |
| Keybuk | if they're not, then the spec doesn't exist in LP yet | 16:53 |
| nealmcb | I'd just encourage folks to get something in both lp and the wiki - it helps a lot with context :-) | 16:54 |
| Keybuk | I've been doing just that | 16:54 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:54 |
| mathiaz | Ok. It's time to wrap up. | 16:55 |
| mathiaz | Next meeting in two weeks, same time, same place ? | 16:55 |
| soren | Er.. We might be busy at that point? | 16:55 |
| soren | AllHands, you know.. | 16:56 |
| nealmcb | well, not everyone knows :-) | 16:56 |
| soren | Sorry, no :) It was for mathiaz :) | 16:56 |
| soren | Let's shoot for two week, same time, same place. | 16:57 |
| soren | We'll work it out. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | Alright - then. | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | Thanks all and happy merging ! | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | but I met Lamont in person at the Colorado gutsy party, and heard about it... a canonical meeting... | 16:57 |
| * nealmcb waves to lamont | 16:57 | |
| sommer | thanks all | 16:57 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:57. | 16:57 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: thanks! | 16:58 |
| nealmcb | back to class, now, folks.... and thanks to soren for the ubuntu open week session yesterday in #ubuntu-classroom | 16:58 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 16:59 |
| soren | \o/ | 16:59 |
| soren | ;) | 16:59 |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kernel Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 15:00 UTC: Community Development Team | ||
| BenC | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
| BenC | Unfortunately, most of the kernel team is either not present, or working hard on post-gutsy issues, or UDS planning | 17:01 |
| BenC | I'll open the floor for anything from the community | 17:01 |
| BenC | And if there is nothing, then I'll end the meeting :) | 17:02 |
| ogasawara | BenC: just curious if there is any specific area you want my to focus my triaging? | 17:03 |
| ogasawara | BenC: for now i'm just trying to cut down the number of New and Unassigned bugs for 2.6.20 and 2.6.22 | 17:03 |
| BenC | ogasawara: Our main problem has been unanswered bugs, which gives people the impression we don't care (and we really do) | 17:04 |
| abogani | BenC: Are there plan for change security model to "Posix file capabilities" ? | 17:04 |
| BenC | abogani: not that I'm aware of...that's a decision for security/server teams | 17:05 |
| zul | BenC: fyi ive already started forward porting the xen tree again | 17:05 |
| BenC | in general the kernel team doesn't make policy decisions that affect userspace that broadly...we follow what the distro decides as a whole | 17:05 |
| BenC | zul: good luck :) | 17:05 |
| zul | BenC: yeah thanks.. | 17:05 |
| zul | 2.6.24 right? | 17:06 |
| BenC | as of right now, that's the plan | 17:07 |
| BenC | wont be decided until next week at UDS | 17:07 |
| zul | im assuming 2.6.24 though | 17:07 |
| BenC | as of right now, .23 and (virtual).24 are the same thing :) | 17:08 |
| zul | true | 17:08 |
| zul | 2.6.23 would be easier for me | 17:08 |
| BenC | ogasawara: how are things coming along with the current bug lists? | 17:09 |
| BenC | ogasawara: also, now that gutsy is released, it may be best to not spend too much time on 2.6.20 | 17:10 |
| ogasawara | BenC: so obviously there are lots of "New" bugs that still need to be processed, but for the most part things are moving fairly smoothly | 17:11 |
| ogasawara | BenC: was curious if this might be a good forum to bring up specific bugs I think you guys should take a look at? | 17:11 |
| ogasawara | BenC: or should I just hit you guys up on #kernel | 17:12 |
| BenC | ogasawara: It would be a good forum, but considering most of us aren't here, I'm on a conf call while doing this little bit, it's just not a good day for it :) | 17:12 |
| * ogasawara nods :) | 17:12 | |
| BenC | ogasawara: another good point would be to make good use of "Wont Fix" in released kernels | 17:12 |
| BenC | I think most of the bugs fall into this category right now | 17:13 |
| ogasawara | BenC: yah, I've already been marking a lot of these | 17:13 |
| BenC | ogasawara: did you want me to schedule a kernel-team session with you at UDS? | 17:15 |
| ogasawara | BenC: yah, was just about to ask you that | 17:15 |
| BenC | or will a OOB meeting at the pub after hours do? :) | 17:15 |
| ogasawara | BenC: at the pub would be perfect | 17:15 |
| ogasawara | BenC: actually, bdmurray and I have been compiling a short list of questions for you that can totally be addressed over a beer or two | 17:16 |
| BenC | excellent, favorite kind of meetings | 17:16 |
| BenC | Anything else before I cut the meeting? | 17:17 |
| ogasawara | BenC: nope, I'm good. | 17:17 |
| zul | none here | 17:17 |
| BenC | Ok, thanks everyone | 17:18 |
| abogani | BenC: Thank you! | 17:18 |
| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Oct 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 08 Nov 15:00 UTC: Community Development Team | ||
| Keybuk | mdz, mjg59: No TB tonight? | 20:07 |
| mjg59 | I thought we decided to skip it, given UDS? | 20:11 |
| Keybuk | did we | 20:12 |
| Keybuk | it's a good decision :p | 20:12 |
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