[00:23] yar. === trypglyph_ is now known as trypglyph [00:23] In ubotu, Snuxoll said: ignorance is biss [00:24] who among you is awake? [00:24] no one [00:24] !botabuse > snuxoll [00:24] trypglyph, depends on the question :) [00:24] oh, you again. [00:24] 48 hour ban, hasn't expired yet, what's up? [00:24] oh no... not pricechild again [00:24] trypglyph, lemme take a look [00:24] ack! get him away! [00:24] (bans don't expire automatically) [00:25] (noted) [00:25] Trying to find the discussion we had where one of us agreed to 48 hours... telling me the nick you were on would speed it up ;) [00:26] adriyel [00:26] you actually initially said 1 or 2 hours, then changed your mind at the end and said 48 hours. [00:26] Because of your attitude iirc [00:26] if you change your mind on 48 hours I'm going to be a bit unhappy. [00:26] yes, that seems to be the central issue of all of it. [00:26] nonetheless, 48 hours. [00:30] trypglyph, ok sorry for the wait, I'm up to speed on things now. [00:30] trypglyph, have you read the ubuntu irc guidelines and/or Ubuntu CoC? [00:30] yes. [00:31] i'm sure he said we would *talk about it again* in 48 hours, not necessarily that it would be lifted. [00:34] trypglyph, do you agree to abide by the guidelines whilst participating in ubuntu channels? [00:42] Does someone want to invite mjr here to discuss further, or just let him continue in -offtopic? [00:42] Pici, we already had a flamewar about that once... pointless [00:42] but if you want to give it a try yourself, feel free. i'll just bit my tongue and try to avoid replying [00:43] I'm not replying either. [00:44] !o4o =~ s/Controversial topics/Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars/ [00:44] In #ubuntu-ops, LjL-Temp said: !o4o =~ s/Controversial topics/Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars/ [00:44] die a terrible death [00:45] %login === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [00:50] Hey, could anybody add either *!*@freenode/helper/* or *!*@*/ubuntu.member.* [00:51] to #ubuntu-classroom [00:51] My ubuntu/member cloak had to be shortened to the end of my cloak. [00:51] AndrewB -- always a troublemaker [00:51] hehe [00:52] the irc council should probably decide some sort of standard for dual-cloaks [00:52] stdin: how do you mean? [00:53] There is a standard.. [00:53] stdin, well its freenode that does that? and it is a standard? [00:53] That I know of anyway.. [00:53] stdin: no, there _is_ a standard [00:53] stdin, "normally" though... people don't have ubuntu.member as secondardy ;) [00:53] when people have more than one cloak, like */*/ubuntu.member.* or ubuntu/member/* [00:54] freenode/status/other.project.nick or project/status/nick or project/status/pdpc.donation.nick [00:54] hmm [00:54] "something or something or something" isn't exactly a standard :p [00:54] AndrewB: you still here? [00:55] Yeah nalioth why? [00:55] stdin, two types of cloak.... project/status/nick [00:55] i figured you'd be checking out your access [00:55] stdin, project/status/project.status.nick [00:55] thanks nalioth [00:55] stdin, the status can be optional with some cloaks [00:55] PriceChild: exactly, but which project?status comes first? [00:56] stdin, whatever the user wants. [00:56] Freenode will always be first. [00:56] you never see any staff gentoo/freenode.staff.nick [00:56] with freenode, I can understand it coming first [00:56] stdin, freenode and pdpc are the only ones that are allowed dual cloaks... and normally the order of preference is freenode > $project > pdpc [00:57] As far as i know you can't have like gentoo/dev/ubuntu.member.nick it is only freenode you can have.. [00:57] yeah PriceChild thats what i mean [00:57] Although I don't see why a staffer wouldn't agree if for some reason I wanted pdpc before my ubuntu... not that I do :) [00:58] or if andrew wanted to swap his [00:58] AndrewB is just a troublemaker. [00:58] Infact why do we even allow him here still? [00:58] If I had ubuntu/member/freenode.helper.andrewb I would need to be alot more trouble. [00:58] * AndrewB cries [00:58] hehe :) [00:59] * mneptok throws a few spacebars [00:59] grrr, why doesn't Debian have a web interface for bug reporting? Honestly... [01:00] bev [01:00] eh [01:00] because it's debian [01:00] when you can't type any more, it's time to sleep. so goodnight :) [01:00] tonyyarusso: they do. it's called "flag upstream in Launchpad" [01:00] mneptok: hehe [01:00] nalioth: do you think a wallop about ubuntu-openweek would be possible? [01:01] network-wide? [01:01] baaaaaad idea [01:01] :) [01:01] AndrewB: you mean there weren't enough people in there today? [01:02] mneptok: If I do "also affects: Debian" in LP, will it auto-create the BTS entry, or do I have to file it there, then link it in LP? [01:02] mneptok: We have done notices in #ubuntu only for some things in the past. [01:03] I wasn't there today nalioth :( didn't realise it was even on untill I came accross a post on ubuntu-uk mail list [01:03] i didn't realize it was on until my "QUESTION:" highlight started showing up like mad [01:06] tonyyarusso: last i knew it still involved Debian fiddling :/ [01:06] mneptok: bah, okay [02:01] Toma- called the ops in #ubuntu [02:02] here they come [02:03] nalioth: o rly? [02:03] already got hits from some of them [02:05] #$(@#%#@%^ [02:05] I haven't loaded my scripts yet on this install === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [02:09] * tonyyarusso wishes there was just a chanmode for blocking CTCP everything [02:10] nalioth: the guys were registered, does +r still make sense? [02:10] i've changed the passes of all the regged zombies from #ubuntu [02:10] all were regged within the last 10 minutes [02:10] LjL-Temp: when i set +r, i did not know anything other than a bot swarm was building [02:10] oof [02:10] nalioth: sure i meant whether it made sense to *keep* it now [02:10] yes, it does [02:10] heh look what a fancy nickname my proxy chose [02:11] kt keeps out the unregged bots [02:12] nalioth: do you know how many they were? my backscroll is too short. they seemed to join quite quickly despite the +J [02:12] going -R for now [02:12] they were already here [02:12] slowly trickling in [02:14] hmmm, did I miss the fun? [02:14] I counted about about 15 [02:14] jrib: seems so [02:21] ok, jrib kick 'em loose from -unregged [02:21] nalioth: even with the +J? [02:22] jrib: if you /kick each one manually, it won't be affected [02:22] heh [02:22] * jrib makes note to add pause in script [02:22] and the forward on -unregged will just kick 'em back into #ubuntu [02:26] ah [02:29] why do i keep smelling mutton . . [02:35] * mneptok farts daintily [02:53] see -unregged [02:53] do someone else's logs confirm what i just asked? [02:56] [03:38:57] --> SiroSoriS has joined this channel (i=BlACKPOI@chrax6-b228.dialup.optusnet.com.au). [02:56] [03:39:10] you kick my ass! [02:56] [03:44:37] --> wirechief_ has joined this channel (n=wirechie@65.114.105.164). [02:56] [03:51:09] we do? [02:56] [03:51:47] LjL, I will be the 1 2 3 U [02:56] [03:52:02] i don't think i get you [02:56] [03:53:01] SiroSoriS: how come you joined this channel, but you never seemed to be in #ubuntu at all? [02:56] [03:54:56] delusions of grandure stripped away from me! [02:57] Was that before the attack? [02:58] Pici: no, right now [02:58] weird. [02:58] now it's [03:58:24] [02:59] banned from #ubuntu anyway, just to be sure. [03:09] hmm === `QYaoErX is now known as LjL [03:39] cdm10 called the ops in #ubuntu [03:40] cdm10 called the ops in #ubuntu [03:41] sco50000 called the ops in #ubuntu [03:42] wow, this teleport-to-opsed-channel trigger is quite fun :) [03:43] hmm? [03:44] Pici: my trigger that teleports me to a channel that ubotu reports ops was called in [03:44] jdong: neat. [03:44] 22:44 4 -publics -channels '#ubuntu-ops' -masks '*!*@ubuntu/bot/*' -regexp 'called the ops in (#.*bunt.*)' -command 'join $1' [03:44] the effect is quite neat [03:45] What client are you using? [03:47] Pici: irssi [03:47] I roam around a lot and need something that I can access scrollback remotely [03:47] jdong: I've been looking for a way to use triggers, I didnt realize until just now that it was an external script. [03:48] Pici: yeah, it's trigger.pl :) [03:48] pretty neat script [03:48] only thing is I think it has some bug with trigger on mode-changes [03:48] it doesn't seem to always react [03:48] haven't had much of a chance to debug it [03:50] * mneptok notes that he can now force jdong to /join channels [03:50] mneptok: still takes effort :) [03:51] I guess it's possible [03:51] * jdong tries [03:51] !test | foobar called the ops in #jdongbuntu [03:51] foobar called the ops in #jdongbuntu: Failed. [03:51] aaaahhhh [03:51] yep [03:51] got forwarded to #jdongbuntu [03:51] mneptok called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic [03:52] * jdong shakes fist at mneptok [03:52] mneptok: use my way so you don't spam a channel :) [03:52] heh [03:52] jdong, let me guess, you use irssi :( [03:52] elkbuntu: yeah [03:53] elkbuntu: is that a bad thing? :) [03:53] I suppose I deserved that, or something. [03:53] poop... yes, it means im going to have to try make it work in xchat [03:53] aww, I'm sure xchat has a triggering mechanism too? [03:53] * rob tries to decide if he should join in that peeing contest or not :) [03:54] Except it might happen right at the wrong time when someone is in the middle of writing a steamy message to someone and *poof* you've just said it to all of #ubuntu [03:54] i'm pretty sure it does, but i cant seem to find it.... [03:54] i would *strongly* discourage use of any script that invokes any /command without user input [03:54] isn't the point of scripts to run a bunch of commands? [03:54] as you can see, any user in any channel in which ubotu resides can now force /join jdong [03:55] mneptok: is that a negative effect? [03:55] jdong: depends on if having BL4CK0PS2007_XB0x in control of your client makes you nervous [03:56] mneptok, heh since i just lost my job yesterday, it seems like a fun way to kill time waiting for another job to come around [03:56] elkbuntu: too much leg-humping? [03:56] elkbuntu: oh no :( [03:56] mneptok: what's the worst that can happen from joining to a channel that ubotu resides in? [03:56] mneptok, no, not enough [03:56] jdong: it's the principle of it. [03:57] jdong: there's no wayf i would let a freenode user type "/join" into my terminal. that script is basically the same thing. [03:57] mneptok: I understand that one can construct many very unsafe scripts from feeding random input into a command... but in this case I don't think it would lead to a problem [03:57] jdong: i just have an older, better, thicker tin-foil hat ;) [03:57] mneptok: except that it only triggers on *buntu* channels [03:57] mneptok: is there anything dangerous that can happen if I joined a channel? any random chanel? [03:58] apart from those auto-kill thingies that I'm told "don't exist" [03:58] mneptok, and hence is useful to those of us on the council who can kb whoever wrongly invites us to wherever [03:58] jdong: there are supposedly channels that will auto-kline you [03:58] jdong: if you don't know, then why are you allowing it? ;) [03:58] but thats only a legend. [03:58] Pici: I'm pretty sure they don't match #*buntu* regex [03:58] jdong: I surely hope not! [03:58] Pici, it's called auto-dline, and yes they exist [03:58] rob: what's the difference? [03:59] dns ban or something... I can't remember. [03:59] dlines are a lot less resource-using then klines [03:59] ubotu probably wouldn't be in one, no? :) [03:59] jdong, pretty unlikely [03:59] jdong: something tells me no one is in one for very long. [03:59] Pici: lol :) [04:00] rob: dlines still have the effect of banning your hostmask from the network, right? [04:01] jdong, d:lines just drop connections that match and are server specific, k:lines kill and are global [04:01] rob: can you reconnect back to freenode after a d:line? [04:01] you could connect to a different freenode server, yes [04:02] rob: but I would be banned from one of the servers in rotation? [04:02] maybe I was thinking of something else.. [04:02] unless of cause that d:line existed elsewhere too, they need to be set on a per-server basis [04:02] what is their lifetime? [04:03] a d:line is like a k:line, its just a line in a configuration file. A k:line however has a timeout. [04:04] d:lines are manual, usually until they are removed (note that k:lines can be manually added to a config file and be permanent too) [04:04] ok, that makes sense. one more thing, what is the rationale for those automatic dlining channels? [04:04] jdong, botnets [04:04] usually botnet control channels [04:04] mmm, so bots join a specific channel, and you tarpit that channel? [04:04] yep [04:04] makes sense [04:05] they are usually hard coded into the bots, and the bot runners too stupid or unable to change it (in the case of compiled off the self code) [04:05] ah. Makes sense. [04:06] ok, that makes a lot more sense why they exist now [04:06] I'm glad I made sense :) [04:06] I thought it was just because you all had nothing better to do than make random channels for people to get k/dlined from. [04:07] But now I know....... [04:07] hehe [04:07] hehe [04:07] "hey doofus, join this channel for a good time!" [04:08] yeah.. well that is pretty rare. [04:09] I don't think I have ever seen a case of someone stumbling upon one and doing that actually. [04:09] rob: but isn't/wasn't one of them like just a qwerty succession of keys, that someone could theoreitcally have arbitrarily picked as a test channel? [04:10] jdong: when we catch people who do that, we treat them harshly [04:10] jdong, it's been a while since I looked at the list, but unlikely [04:10] nalioth: I can imagine it's less than amusing to waste time dealing with those [04:11] oh, and when I said d:lines are manual, they are automatic in the case of those channels :) [04:11] jdong: i don't think you'll ever type a "querty succession of keys" and find one [04:11] nalioth: is #asdf not one of them? [04:11] I recall someone complaining about doing that once... [04:11] slightly different kind of automatic I guess [04:11] jdong: join it and see [04:11] heh [04:11] whoa I'm still alive [04:12] * jdong won't try the next one on his "someone said it" list [04:15] good idea. Don't you just love rumors. [04:15] I do indeed :) [04:15] jdong, something like that is what jono got trapped in soon after he joined canonical [04:15] need a clear for dcc exploit [04:16] elkbuntu: is that the person I'm recalling? [04:16] elkbuntu: it probably is [04:16] he blogged about it, so probably [04:16] elkbuntu, got a link to the blog? [04:16] gimme a min, i'll search for it [04:16] righto, cheers [04:17] http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=779 [04:17] thanks :) [04:17] need a clear for the dcc exploit please :) got a laptop to work on [04:17] oh pfft so I'm ONE letter short. [04:17] and I would've been zapped :) [04:18] btw is that still valid today? [04:19] heh, I guess jono is as smart as a botnet runner then :P [04:19] * jdong wonders if he should use a discardable IP to test it [04:19] and yes, there is a big chunk of time where I am usually the only staffer about [04:19] rob, more than likely wasnt aware of the channel traps, and didnt think beyond his immediate need [04:20] I guess [04:20] if that's really the name of the channel, I can totally see how someone can arbitrarily type it [04:22] are any ops even awake :( [04:22] I guess when bot runners are thinking of what to call their channel the letters "asdfg" come easily to them too [04:23] rob: 10 bucks it's because at the time the botrunner was packaging his bot, #asdf was occupied :) [04:23] heh maybe [04:25] serphet: ready for a test? [04:25] jrib: yes :DE [04:26] serphet, I think your smiley has facial hair [04:26] :p [04:26] go the goatee [04:26] or is chewing it's nails with a big grin [04:27] serphet: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thanks for your patience [04:28] kk thanks! === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [05:07] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu [05:07] not urgent in #u [05:08] just a slightly offensive nick [05:08] not sure how... but [05:13] jdong: just because you like pixie sluts . . . [05:13] * nalioth runs [05:14] nalioth: hey, it's all good :) [05:16] jdong, I didn't think it was terribly offensive either, but easier to ask than have people whining, I figure... [05:16] Madpilot: it was so-so, strictly speaking not appropriate for Ubuntu but not the worst I've seen [05:17] ya, I've seen (and kickbanned) lots worse... === rob1 is now known as rob [06:59] [chr0n0s] called the ops in #ubuntu [07:00] its all good [07:01] with robbster? [07:01] yeah [07:02] he is frustrated, and apologised [07:02] okay [07:24] <3 facebook [08:17] [chr0n0s] called the ops in #ubuntu [08:21] false alarm. [08:21] good for a laugh, though [08:33] thr1lljockey called the ops in #ubuntu [08:34] dealt with [09:15] hi all! Please someone could add my ubuntu/member cloak? my LP profile is https://launchpad.net/~bugman and my mail address is bugman@ubuntu.com my secondary nickname is "bugmandue" [09:30] @now amsterdam [09:30] Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: October 23 2007, 10:30:23 - Next meeting: Server Team in 6 hours 29 minutes [09:30] BugMaN, Seveas is the man to ask about cloaks, generally. nalioth can set them too, I think. [09:33] Madpilot: thanks [09:33] afaik once a member for the council says its ok than nalioth or whomever can set it [09:34] correct [09:34] ;) [09:34] morning Seveas [09:34] morning [09:34] morning [09:34] Seveas: hi [09:34] BugMaN: can you set my cloak? :) [09:34] is there a list of council members? [09:35] gnomefreak, lp.net/~ubuntu-irc-council [09:35] ah ok [09:35] ty [09:35] https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil [09:35] BugMaN, I can't: only staff can set the cloak, I can merely approve it (which has been done already) [09:36] was just finding it [09:36] Madpilot, different council ;) [09:36] ah, that council [09:36] hmmmmmmm [09:36] BugMaN, so you'll have to wait for a staffer to wake up [09:36] I always think CC when 'Council' is mentioned in an Ubuntu context... [09:36] Seveas: ok thanks :) [09:36] * gnomefreak thought hobbsee was on the council [09:37] Seveas: ubuntu/member/bugman? [09:37] tomaw, morning ;) [09:37] hi :) [09:37] tomaw, that would be correct [09:37] done [09:38] thanks :) [09:38] grazie! [09:38] Seveas: :) [11:00] is #ubuntu+1 shutdown? [11:01] yes [11:01] forwarded to #ubuntu until hardy is available [11:02] still a few people in there though, we should probably boot them out now [11:02] ok [11:02] hardy is available :) [11:03] but, is it usable? [11:04] is there a factoid about offensive nicks? [11:06] don't think so === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [11:35] Seveas: But is it more than just base-files? :) [11:36] I call troll on :P [11:36] me too [11:37] ah the toolchain has been updated too [12:06] calling it first wins prizes? [12:18] is the p34ce feller a troll...? [12:22] *watches* [12:45] in #ubuntuforums :/ [12:45] mooh [12:49] maybe not [13:15] Did chanserv just die? :/ [13:19] no? [13:19] nope [13:20] well it came back almost immediately, how rare [13:43] have a troll chasing me around channels... [13:44] effie_jayx, jrib? ;) [13:44] fun arnt they [13:44] julioh === GazzaK is now known as Gary [13:44] PriceChild, lol [13:44] :) [13:46] hmm? [13:47] PriceChild: a bit itch down in your banhammer region this morning, no? :) [13:47] itchy* [13:47] jdong: have a troll chasing me around channels... [13:47] jdong: ur in my tab-complete, messin me up [13:47] jdong, ffs why does everything need to be commentated? Imagine if I kicked... and a thousand people said "lol" [13:47] PriceChild: that sounds like #ubuntu? [13:47] EXACTLY :) [13:48] PriceChild: or the next DCC wave "what was that? " "why'd they quit" "lol" [13:48] indeed, that I can understand [13:48] but when I'm removing people _for being offtopic_ people should know better [13:48] Dont forget people pasting the messages again and again to tell the ops what happened. [13:48] Pici, maybe I should call !ops to get the attention of a few other ops seen as only2 or 3 are dealing with it? [13:48] They could use help you know? [13:49] Hehe [13:49] Because operators never ever lurk.... They know not the saying "too many ops spoil the broth". [13:49] *goes to make some toast with honey to cheer up* [13:50] There isn't anyone opped, therefore no ops exist. [13:51] That stupidgirl one would be on my hilight list if I used one like lj.l [13:51] PriceChild: you mean LjL ? === stdin_ is now known as stdin [14:01] Tm_T, I meant ljl minus the hilight. [14:01] PriceChild: whos hilighted? [14:01] * Tm_T hides [14:03] Tm_T, you're the only one that hilighted anyone [14:03] if you were to do that to mr n, he'd rip you a new arse [14:04] haha :) [14:06] mrn [14:07] elkbuntu: you mean nalioth? [14:08] Tm_T, are you intentionally doing this or are you plain thick? [14:08] very intentionally [14:09] *hopes you sneakily added a ZWS* [14:14] Tm_T, so, you're trolling? [14:15] no, not trolling [14:16] you're baiting attention and intentionally irritating people... which is by definition, trolling. [14:16] hmm, well when you put that in that way, yes [14:17]