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i_hello?00:18
i_Anyone home?00:19
i_LTSP problem - can anyone help?00:24
kgoetzonly if you ask a questio00:30
i_LTSP working fine in Feisty - upgraded to Gutsy ... now can't have more than 6-8 thin-clients connected ... the rest don't see the server when booting up00:36
i_kgoetz00:47
kgoetzi_: what does 'don see the server' mean?00:51
i_Meaning, failing when attempting to find the DHCP server00:53
i_Gives up and boots from hard disk instead00:53
kgoetzhaave you checked the dhcp servers logs?00:55
i_where would I find that?00:55
kgoetz /var/log/dhcp/00:56
i_will have to check that at school tomorrow ... it was working find though, is this an issue with Gutsy?00:57
i_I meant to say: fine00:57
kgoetzcould be. i havent used it00:58
i_OK, I'm planning to rebuild the server with Feisty ... I don't want to have to setup all the user accounts again... what files do I need to save?01:01
i_I have /home on a separate partitions so don't need to worry about that01:02
kgoetzsounds ike a lot of ork01:02
kgoetz*work01:02
i_Is it that difficult?01:02
kgoetzmight be, depends on your setup01:04
i_OK, thanks for your help - I'm off01:04
kgoetzyou'll need your especially since you downlgrading.. you'll wnt any user login details+email fro a start01:04
Burgundaviahighvoltage: you about?02:41
desertcHello again04:11
desertcBusy in here today.04:12
desertcWhat time is the meeting tomorrow?04:15
LaserJockhmm04:24
LaserJockdarn it04:25
LaserJockI forgot to put them on Fridge04:25
LaserJockdesertc: I think it should be at 20:00 UTC04:30
desertcI might be giving a speech at that time.04:32
LaserJockdesertc: where are you located?04:32
desertcNashville, Tennessee.  We just has a really terrific conference here called Technology and Education, which focused on Open Source solutions.04:33
LaserJockcool04:33
LaserJockI'm over in Reno, NV04:34
desertcI really want to get involved communicating the message of Edubuntu to local schools, and I hope that I can work with you all and learn approaches to talk with educators.04:34
desertcReno is terrific, as is Carson City.  I did a lot of work in Nevada when I lived in Las Vegas.04:34
desertcDepartment of Education has a bunch of money there, too, from the gambling.04:35
LaserJockyeah04:35
desertcDo you think I can join some teams that would help me understand how to promote Ubuntu in my area?04:36
desertcWe have 16 public high schools, for instance.04:36
desertcWe probably have 10 private and religious high schools, too.04:37
desertcThere's lots of effort that I can do here, and if I can follow in someone else's footsteps, then all the better.04:37
LaserJockyeah04:37
LaserJockI think plugging into the edubuntu-users mailing list and hanging out here are pretty good places to start04:38
desertcAre you a good person to talk to about this, or are you mostly technical?04:38
LaserJockthe mailing list has a lot of people in your situation04:38
LaserJockI'm really pretty much on the tech end04:38
LaserJockI'm a PhD Chemistry student04:38
LaserJockI'd like to work on getting Edubuntu uni-ready04:39
desertcWhat is the mailinglist webpage?04:39
LaserJockbut as for K-12 education I'm not really the one to talk to04:39
desertcI am really interested in K-1204:39
LaserJockhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users04:39
desertcThat's the Free Software spot.  We need to get kids understanding open source and contributing.04:40
LaserJockRichEd-1: Richard Weideman is the Canonical Education Programme lead04:40
desertcI've chatted with him before.04:40
kgoetzdesertc: hi04:40
LaserJockalso David Trask is a good guy to talk to04:40
desertckgoetz: hello04:40
LaserJockhe's running a school on all Edubuntu04:40
desertcIn which country?04:41
LaserJockUS04:41
desertcHuh!04:41
LaserJockthere's lots of Edubuntu in the US04:41
LaserJockwell, maybe not *lots*04:41
LaserJockbut I think Indiana is using it some04:41
kgoetzwoner if RichEd-1 has been in contact with teh school in aus running ubuntu, they gave a talk at lca, so he probably did04:42
desertcSome... heh04:42
LaserJockand there's schools in Maine and New Hampsire I think04:42
desertcI attended the Open Minds Conference in Indiana.  Good folk.04:42
LaserJockif you send an email to edubuntu-users giving your situation and what you're looking for you should get some helpful responses04:43
desertcI am looking through your archives.  You have some big-name people on the list.04:43
LaserJockheh, well that's good04:44
desertcDavid Trask seems to be in-line with some of my ideas.04:45
desertcI have not done a lot of advocacy before, so I am looking to pair up with someone who can take me under their wing, or join up with a team who I can shadow before taking off on my own.04:45
LaserJocksure04:46
desertcI have been in many situations in the last month, at conferences and speeches, where I have been talking with educators, but I have felt that I have been underprepared on the direction to lead the discussion.04:46
LaserJockI can certainly appreciate that feeling04:47
desertcHopefully the mailing list will help, but it seems like such a huge amount of mail generated.04:47
LaserJockreally?04:48
LaserJockI guess I'm used to getting a lot of mail these days04:48
LaserJockalthough I have cut back04:48
desertc210 so far this month04:48
LaserJockI'm used to ~500/day04:48
desertcHow do you program when your New Mail indicator keeps going off? :)04:49
LaserJockI just check it every once in a while04:49
LaserJockjust sit down and "process" for 30 min or so when I get up04:50
desertcI write David Trask an email.04:54
desertc*wrote04:54
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highvoltageBurgundavia: am now07:20
Burgundaviahighvoltage: are you still seeing the issue with your modem and plugging it in after login?07:29
highvoltageBurgundavia: the hsdpa modem? I haven't used it in a sine about 3 weeks ago, haven't tested with the proper gutsy release yet.07:30
highvoltage*since07:30
Burgundaviaahh07:30
mwright1Hi can anyone here help with LTSP09:18
mwright1I'd like to install ltsp in a xen instance so am wanndering whether the gutsy xen kernels support ltsp extensions such as local devices / sound09:19
ogra__buth is not happening on a kernel level, as long as the kernel provides the devices ltsp will use them09:30
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juliuxogra, morning, i am sorry i forgot to send you the stickers09:42
juliuxogra, when are you flying to boston?09:43
ograi'll survive09:43
ografriday morning09:43
juliuxok09:44
juliuxso the stickers will be one day too late :(09:44
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RichEdhi ogra juliux09:44
ogramorning09:45
juliuxmoring RichEd09:45
juliuxogra, btw with a chance from 99,999% there will be a second german ubucon next year;)09:46
ogracool09:46
ograhow was it ?09:46
RichEdogra: the meeting is the late one tonight ?09:46
ograi think so, last week we had th early one iirc09:47
RichEdaccording to my logs, it was the midday one09:47
RichEdwe need to chat a bit about UDS ... and specs and other discussions tonight09:47
ograright09:47
ograi'll prepare a list of suggestions09:47
juliuxogra, it were great and funny two daies09:47
ogragreat :)09:48
juliuxogra, and a lot of people09:48
RichEddo you have much on technical, or can we go straight into planning ?09:48
ograi would have loved to come, but finishing the classmate is higher prio for me atm09:48
ograll i coud talk about would be classmate work, i can give a hort status about that09:48
ogra*short09:48
juliuxogra, that is why we start planing the next ubucon this year;)09:49
ograor we can just skip tech :)09:49
RichEdwell that's part of the UDS spec planning anyway :)09:49
ograoki :)09:49
majikinshello10:11
majikinsI'm tasked with implementing pc's in rural areas - edubuntu with educational software seems to be a good option10:12
RichEdmajikins: indeed it is ... it has a bunch of educational applications available directly after install from CD ...10:14
majikinsI'm also interested in locking the pc down10:15
RichEdas well as additional applications (including more education) easily installed from the add/remove menu option (over the internet from our archives)10:15
majikinsie only the home folder can be seen etc10:15
majikinsonly thing I've come up with is kde-kiosk on the forums?10:16
RichEdmajikins: any *significant* change to a config requires a SU password, or membership of a SU allocated group10:16
RichEdstudents cannot install / remove applications, change network etc. by default10:16
RichEdogra: kiosk mode ... what's your recommendation for majikins ?10:17
ograsabayon10:17
ograif he wants more lockdown capabilities than the default desktop offers sabayon and pessulus are the tools10:17
ograi'd also consider switching to epiphany instead of firefox for better lockdow capabilities10:18
ogra(i plan that we'll ship epiphany as default browser in hardy ... it will be possbile to install it without firefox by then)10:19
ogra(currently you need to disble the firefox manu entry, ephi requires it to be installed)10:19
majikinsis that just available from apt-get?10:19
ograyep10:19
majikinsthey won't have internet access as yet10:20
majikinsmany thanks - I'll have a look at those packages10:21
ograsynaptic has a mode to save downloaded packages ...10:21
ograyou can burn that to a CD and import it to the synaptic of the non networked server10:21
majikinshoping to setup pc's before taking out - cloning hdd's once done and then taking out - but thanks for the tip10:22
majikinshas anyone here got experience setting up a kiosk pc in a rural community?10:22
juliuxmajikins, i have installed some internet pcs10:31
juliuxbut on this pc firefox starts automaticly10:32
juliuxbecause i have created an .xession file10:32
majikinsno - no internet access yet - just used for office use - ie openoffice, xsane for scanning10:33
juliuxthen sabayon and pessuluss is the best thing you can get10:34
majikinsI was also thinking of making the interface look like xp's10:34
juliuxi locked down pcs for fairs in germany with sabayon and pessulus that is working well10:34
majikinsis there a how-to?10:34
juliuxi don't know10:35
majikinsany ideas on interface or am i worrying too much?10:35
majikinsthanks for the information - cheers10:43
sbalneavMorning all14:14
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RichEdsbalneav dear fellow ... lend me your ear ... (or keyboard)16:36
Belutzogra, ping17:28
sbalneavRichEd: Yes, I have one17:29
ograBelutz, ?17:29
Belutzogra, i just had a meeting with Intel Indonesia this afternoon17:29
ograah17:30
Belutzogra, they want to bundle their classmate pc with edubuntu17:30
ogracool !17:30
Belutzhmm i have one silly question17:30
Belutzwill edubuntu fit in 2GB of NAND flash?17:30
ograin 1Gig :)17:31
Belutzcool17:32
Belutz1GB is already include the edu apps?17:32
ograthats the liveCD image modified for classmate17:32
Belutzah17:32
ograopenoffice replaced with abiword/gnumeric17:33
Belutzsorry, i rarely try the edubuntu, shame on me17:33
Belutzso it will work then :D17:33
* ogra just uploaded teh modification packages for teh tweaks http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/classmate/packages/ 17:33
ogra(dont use them ... !)17:34
Belutzthey asking Intel HQ to send demo units for us to play around17:34
ograintel doesnt ahve my image yet .. they get it at UDS17:34
Belutzbookmarked :)17:34
Belutzthey already have one model with mandriva 200717:34
ubotuMandriva bug 2007 in Installation "Switching to alternate screens during install crashes X" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=200717:34
Belutzbut the mandriva community in indonesia is not heard17:35
ograubotu, shut up :P17:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about shut up :p - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi17:35
Belutzis it ok if we add Intel logo into the edubuntu splash screen?17:36
ograthere is another image around from a company called metasys17:36
ograi personally dont mind ... not sure if canonical has any policy about that17:37
ograRichEd, might know17:37
Belutzyup, they told us about metasys and xp, they haven't know about mandriva yet, but i told them i saw it on their website LOL17:37
BelutzI'll ask him when his around17:37
Belutzogra, thanks for the information, I'll keep you posted with the intel indonesia-edubuntu progress17:39
LaserJockmorning Edubuntu land18:15
sbalneavMorning LaserJock18:15
LaserJocksbalneav: you catch the ubuntu-doc email about getting the bzr branches set up?18:15
sbalneavHey, talked to mdke briefly, apparently he doesn't have access to the machine that hosts the web copy of the edubuntu handbook, so we've got the new one in the packages, and the old one on the web :(18:16
sbalneavSaw something, there a wiki page about it?18:16
LaserJockyeah18:16
LaserJocknah18:16
LaserJockmdke was able to import the whole svn repo into bzr18:17
LaserJocksounds like it took a few days18:17
sbalneavSo, where18:17
sbalneavwhere's the bzr?18:17
LaserJockwell, right now he's got it on his machine18:17
sbalneavah18:17
LaserJockhe's pushing it to launchpad18:17
LaserJockbut who knows how long that'll take18:17
LaserJockbut we're going to have a separate edubuntu-<release> branch18:18
bdoinI just updated to gutsy and It seems like the gcompris 8.3.2 does not run our python activities. When I run 'gcompris -D' I can see 'undefined symbol: gc_sound_pause'18:36
sbalneavAre these addons that you've added to gcompris?18:37
bdoinno, these are here from years18:38
bdoinsorry, 'for years'18:38
sbalneavSo, they're included with gcompris?18:38
sbalneavI've never seen any "python activities" in gcompris18:38
bdoinyes they are but we don't display them in the menu18:39
bdoinsince we cannot load the plugin18:39
sbalneavI'm sorry, I'm still unclear.  Is this something you've added to gcompris, or something that we ship?18:41
bdoinok, let me explain it18:41
ograsbalneav, bdoin s gcompris upstream18:42
bdoinwe provide with gcompris 100 activities, some coded in C, some in python18:42
sbalneavah, welcome!18:42
bdoineach activity is a plugin18:42
sbalneavI was just trying to figure out if this was something written locally, and suggest that maybe some interface had changed within gcompris, but if you're upstream, then you've written it all :)18:44
bdoinfor the python coded activity, there is a special plugin that can load any python coded activity18:45
sbalneavSo.  Then the next question is: is gc_sound_pause something that's a gcompris api?  Have we neglected to include something, maybe?18:45
bdoinbut this very one fails to load due to a missing symbol in the gcompris binary. it has probably been stripped.18:46
bdoinI strongly suspect a gcc/ldd change that strips differently or better18:46
ograi would suspect a missing dependency rather18:47
ograsome python module you use that isnt depended on in the package18:47
bdoinno, it's a gcompris symnol18:47
LaserJockbdoin: has this always been a problem or is it just in gutsy?18:47
bdoinsymbol, not a dependancy18:47
ograhmm18:48
sbalneavMaybe re-build the package and turn off stripping?18:48
bdoinwe already identified this problem in gcompris 8.4 branch but for a different set of symbols, this one is new to me18:48
bdoinwell, it's not really a real stripping issue. the linker removes unused symbols.18:50
bdoinnm /usr/bin/gcompris18:53
bdoinnm: /usr/bin/gcompris: no symbols18:53
bdoinstrange, no symbols at all18:53
ograthere should be a debug package with the sympbols enabled18:54
bdoinok, I install it18:55
bdoinnm /usr/lib/debug/usr/games/gcompris | grep gc_sound_pause => it's there19:09
sbalneavDoes that fix the python problem?19:11
RichEdBelutz: I'm back from dinner ...19:15
BelutzRichEd, hi :)19:15
RichEdI know that Intel Indonesia want to do a ClassmatePC pilot with Edubuntu19:15
BelutzRichEd, arya contacted you right?19:16
RichEdYou can check this page for the overall "management of expectations" ... the current version is *unsupported* ... and a full supported version only is projected for 8.0419:16
RichEdArya ... yep indeed19:16
bdoinby itself installing the -dbg packet don't solve the issue19:17
Belutzyup, i was thinking that if intel could launch the edubuntu classmate pc on april 28, with the HH release party19:17
RichEdSo the current "advice" is ... you can use the image for demonstration purposes and to secure design wins and for a limited proof of concept pilot, *provided* that the Intel regional office, the Vendor and the Client (school) all know that this is unsupported19:18
Belutzok19:18
Belutzthe supported one will be in 8.0419:18
ograright19:18
RichEdThe spin we are adding is that the school can "be part of an open source pilot where their feedback and experiences will add to the shaping of the future prodyuct for the benefit of all"19:18
ograand probably be something completely different from what the current one is19:19
RichEdBut they must expect and be prepared to fall over and scrape their knees every now and then.19:19
Belutztrue19:19
Belutzthe action plan is like this:19:19
bdoinI don't know how to run the dbg version of gcompris19:19
RichEdregarding the Intel image into the Edubuntu splash ... I'd say "Okay provided that there is no attempt to pass off the software as being "owned or produced by Intel""19:20
Belutz1. intel will ask for demo unit from intel HQ for us to try out edubuntu19:20
ograbdoin, it should just replace the binary19:20
Belutz2. we try edubuntu on it19:20
RichEdIt should reflect "cooperation between partner"19:20
Belutz3. we find a school for a pilot project19:20
* ogra_cmpc waves19:21
Belutzwow, ogra in cmpc? :D19:21
ograin the new gutsy image, yes19:21
Belutzwow19:21
Belutz:D19:21
ogra_cmpcteacher@classmate:~$ df -h19:21
ogra_cmpcFilesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on19:21
ogra_cmpcunionfs               951M  587M  365M  62% /19:21
Belutzit's more wow than vista19:21
ogra_cmpc(i only partitioned 1gig yet)19:21
Belutzno need for swap?19:21
RichEdBelutz: see here .... this page outlines the coordination of information19:21
RichEdhttps://wiki.canonical.com/AllHands/2007/Education19:21
ogra_cmpcwell, dont run more than two apps at the same time19:22
ogra_cmpcespecially if one of them is firefox19:22
LaserJockat least you can install stuff19:22
BelutzRichEd, the page use password19:22
RichEdWe are not opposed to distributing the image ... we just want to make sure that the audience is aware of limitations and disclaimers.19:22
LaserJockI couldn't install Acrobat Reader in Windows because it ran out of memory19:22
RichEdoops ... wrong cut & paste19:22
* RichEd tries again'19:22
RichEdhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuClassmatePC19:23
bdoinwell I have a big doubt, /usr/games/gcompris works now but not /usr/bin/gcompris19:24
bdoinI wonder if my /usr/bin/gcompris comes from a make install19:24
BelutzRichEd, if we already have the demo unit, can we asked for the image?19:25
RichEdBelutz: sure ... add your request to the wiki page, with contact details ... I'll run it past Jason from Intel ...19:29
bdoinhas someone confirmed the issue with gcompris or my system is unclean ?19:29
RichEdYou can also mail me directly ... richard_AT_ubuntu.com19:29
RichEdJason will act as the image coordinator19:29
BelutzRichEd, thanks19:29
Belutzi will keep you and ogra posted about this19:29
RichEdogra / LaserJock : christopher dawson is upset that he did not get his CMPCs today19:31
RichEdhttp://education.zdnet.com/?p=129019:31
RichEdcheck out his intended test list ... very good ... and we should take note and maybe pre-empt some potential wobblies19:32
LaserJockinteresting19:33
* ogra_cmpc takes a break until meeting ... 12h in a row is enough ...19:33
bdoinby the way, as you are talking about that, I have a classmate and provided a GCompris version of it to Intel.19:37
RichEdbdoin: under MS or Linux ?19:41
bdoinlinux19:41
bdoinmetasys19:41
RichEdahhh ... okay19:41
bdointhere is an issue with the screen size, you need to put it in emulated 800x600 in order to have gcompris strings being readable19:42
LaserJockright19:42
LaserJockI've run a few things with it kinda ok, but the screen size is a problem19:42
RichEdbdoin: we have had some "hassles" with the small screen size ... like not being able to work with many dialogue boxes ... can't get to the Okay button etc19:43
bdoinI proposed them gcompris on windows as well but they are reluctant to put free software on windows, no idea why ;)19:43
RichEdogra has a panel applet that compresses the screen image ... I have not see the "view quality" yet19:43
BelutzI must hang out in this channel more often :D19:44
RichEdbdoin: my kids (5 almost 6 .. and 7 almost  8) have been playing with GCompris under Edubuntu on my test CmPc19:44
RichEdfrom the very first CmPc edubuntu build oliver hacked together at UDS Sevilla19:45
bdoinwhat is a CmPc ?19:45
RichEdClassmatePC ....19:45
bdoinok sorry19:45
* RichEd gets tired of typing it out :)19:45
bdoinso you have GC on the CmPc on Edubuntu ?19:46
LaserJockit wouldn't be any good otherwise ;-)19:46
RichEd== #edubuntu meeting == 15 mins #ubuntu-meeting == UDS Discussion for Hardy Heron Edubuntu 8.04 ==20:44
RichEd== #edubuntu meeting == 5 mins #ubuntu-meeting == UDS Discussion for Hardy Heron Edubuntu 8.04 ==20:55
LaserJockone more minute?20:58
ograyes20:59
RichEdLaserJock: you asking when ? or asking for a delay ?20:59
LaserJockwhen20:59
RichEdnowish20:59
Kamping_Kaiserdidnt know there was a meeting :|21:54
RichEdwell today's meeting for us is yesterday for you ... so you are forgiven21:55
Kamping_Kaiser:)21:56
LaserJockbtw22:56
LaserJockI just got word that edubuntu docs are now in bzr on LP22:56
Kamping_Kaiserneat22:57
* Kamping_Kaiser debates the 50 hour checkout22:57
LaserJockI think I might try to make a tarball22:58
LaserJockI don't know where to put it thought22:58
LaserJock*though22:58
LaserJockmaybe ogra can help me out there22:58
Kamping_Kaiserdoes the space LP provides only work for debs or could you place it there22:58
LaserJockwell22:59
LaserJockI think they do have space for projects23:00
LaserJockI might see what I can do23:00
* Kamping_Kaiser heads to LP to see if he can find the bzr23:00
LaserJockKamping_Kaiser: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/edubuntu-hardy23:01
Kamping_Kaisercheers.23:01
LaserJockmight have to take the .edge out23:01
bdoinogra: after a cleanup and reinstall of GCompris, the official package is fine, python activity works fine. Sorry.23:03
LaserJockbdoin: false alarm?23:03
Kamping_KaiserLaserJock, works with the edge. should i just checkout the hardy doco?23:03
LaserJockKamping_Kaiser: sure, give it a whirl23:04
ograbdoin, np :)23:04
bdoinLaserJock: yes, should never trust my installation of gcompris. there have probably been a mixup with my autopackage installation23:05
Kamping_Kaiserkgoetz@wesnoth:~/public_html$ bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/edubuntu-hardy23:05
Kamping_Kaiserbzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 6 (bzr 0.15)\n'23:05
Kamping_Kaiseroh, 0.1523:05
Kamping_Kaisersigh.23:05
* Kamping_Kaiser is on 0.1123:06
LaserJockshesh, get with the program man, gotta have the latest greatest23:06
LaserJock;-)23:06
Kamping_Kaiseryeah yeah :| *heads to backports.org*23:06
* Kamping_Kaiser grumbles about forced upgrades23:10
LaserJockKamping_Kaiser: the bzr guys have a repo for bzr23:11
LaserJockworks rather nicely23:11
Kamping_KaiserLaserJock, i got pointed to packports.org when i asked about it yesterday (i'm running debian)23:11
LaserJockI guess that works too23:12
RichEd'night LaserJock and Kamping_Kaiser23:12
Kamping_KaiserRichEd, night mate23:12
LaserJockgood night RichEd23:12
Kamping_Kaiserspeaking of which , i should get ready to go to work ;)23:12
LaserJockI will look forward to a -devel email23:12
Kamping_Kaiserbzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/edubuntu-hardy/.bzr/repository/inventory.knit: Bad status line received23:14
Kamping_Kaiser:(23:14
Kamping_Kaisersuppose this will have to be tonights download. later all.23:14
Kamping_Kaisernot sure who to report that to, so there you all go :)23:14
Kamping_Kaiserafk.23:14
LaserJockKamping_Kaiser: good night23:14

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